Wings Over Scotland

Alice through the looing glass? Mad hatter? Actually more like Lord of the Flies – nasty, dangerous, evil.

I did not think that I could increase my loathing of sturgeon and the nuSNP transcult. How wrong I was.

Shocked by this.

Still Shirley Anne Shambles and Humza “broughty ferry” Useless will never have enough ability to outshine anyone.

Doubt anything will happen to the toxic liitle pronoun wearer.

Doesn’t matter anyway, they’d just replace like for like.

Spoke to an ex snp branch office bearer today who has had to withdraw from activism due to ill health. He was gobsmacked when I suggested to him that Sturgeon had done nothing for the cause of Independence and walked away mumbling about giving her another chance.
Spoke with some rellies yesterday both SNP Members one of which accused Alba of splitting the Independence vote in the last Holyrood elections.
When i explained (again) how the voting system worked, they asked me who designed it, when I said Labour they blamed Labour and not Sturgeon for SNP 1/2
I had spent a lot of time prior to that vote explaining to them that voting SNP in the Constituency would elect Unionists, they told me they believed Nicola and told me no further discussion.
So i suppose its progress that they are listening to me again, but I despair all three are pretty intelligent people and the Cult has them in their grasp.

My God…

The lunatics are well and truly running the asylum.

These individuals are a cancer eating the heart of the party that I once supported.

Meanwhile, Sturgeon fiddles as Rome burns.

What a cluster-f**k the SNP has become.

It’s hard to remember now but the debates surrounding independence were once ‘serious’ and they were addressing the basics, just as SALVO/SSRG are doing.

It doesn’t get much more basic than this – James Kelman laying out his position on royalty, the ‘Right to Vote’, and questions surrounding Scottishness/identity.

How could anyone have foreseen the surreal mess it’s all become?

link to youtube.com

This individual works for the NHS with his stinking outlook on life.
Pity help the patients he doesnt quite like.

Perfectly in keeping with the fascist Brownshirts. This is the sort of young man who joined them and who beat up people in the street who did not bend the knee. I think these people forget what happened to the Brownshirts in The Night of the Long Knives, when Hitler decided they were a luxury his party could no longer afford. If Ms Sturgeon ever gets a sniff that they might become a threat to her hegemony…

Read a piece today about a ‘transing’ doctor who was showing off amputated body parts in a videocast on-line – that is, healthy young female breasts – complete with close-ups. Dr Mengele also said that he was carrying out his experiments to “help” people, many of them young children and he, too, showed off the mutilated and still-living bodies. He pumped little Jewish and Gypsy children full of drugs to see what would happen. Sound familiar? This is what the SNP under Sturgeon supports.

As for a fully-costed and sensible anything at all, forget it. She does not listen; she does not veer from the chosen path to oblivion for Scotland and independence; and she sure as hell gets rid of those in the party who rumble her real agenda and have the temerity to question the tablets of stone (sorry, back of a fag packet) written in sprawling capitals by herself with a coloured crayon.

When will someone point out the over-representation of LGBTQ people within politics? We are constantly told that the over-representation of straight, white men is ‘problematic’, so surely the over-representation of any facet of society must also be bad?

Been telling you all for months and years — forget everything and concentrate on getting rid of monsters inc. Fill your hearts with darkness and trust that negativity will find a way to defeat them.

That’s basically how politics works; nobody really gets anything they want from it, the most you can hope for is to screw up things and people you definitely don’t want.

Anyway, I have the perfect gift to cheer you all up, especially the Rev;

link to shopping.rspb.org.uk

It’s the best thing you’ll ever buy.

Sturgeon’s Code of Conduct is turning out to be more like her version of the “Ten Commandments”.

1/ Thou shall not…

Surely the ever correct and unbiased police Scotland and our esteemed COPFS should be having words with this young fellow me lad , I would think there is ample evidence to suggest he is behaving in an extremely threatening manner , a manner that could suggest that someone is at a serious risk of an extremely serious injury or even death , who knows what this young lad is capable of ,and the damage he may inflict on some poor unsuspecting innocent person and their respective families

IMO if the police or COPFS are NOT looking in to and investigating the public threats this young lad is openly making towards certain people on social media where is the outcry from our politicians of every party , and WHY are the SNP promoting this IMO obviously disturbed young man into a position of responsibility where he is supposed to act and behave like a mature level headed individual with unbiased views intent on promoting and encouraging tolerance and acceptance

Surely for anyone about to be promoted as an equalities officer the responsible organisation concerned would have a rigorous vetting procedure where background checks for physical threats or unbalanced behaviour of this type would raise alarming responses from the organisation

I would like to state that any physical damage or injury that this person enacts or commits on anyone, the COPFS , Police Scotland and the SNP hierarchy should be investigated and pilloried for their refusal to address the blatant publicly issued threats against persons by this individual

It is extremely concerning that there appears to be no action being carried out by the police or COPFS to these incendiary threats but rapid and enthusiastic action was expedited aggressively against the likes of Mark Hirst for innocent jibes deemed no case to answer

If the SNP fail to keep their A9 and A96 dualling promises, they will loose the North and north East Scotland IMO. It’s that serious.

Well last election I had no candidate to vote for. It looks like the next election it will be the same. Imagine living in a Country where your choice is ‘ Which version of a tosspot do you want to vote for?’ It seems I won’t be doing any sort of vote in my lifetime again !!

Robert Louis 7.35am

Robert,, you are absolutely spot on with your immediate concerns about the imminent crash of UK economy.

I don’t usually read the details of how a budget will affect our future,,,but this one is different,,,and with the possibility that the pound against the dollar could be hitting parity,,, this is going to force up high st prices even more.

Mortgage repayments are going to go through the roof,,,a crash in the housing market.

An unfunded budget. With no answers as to how they are going to fund the energy cap,,,no answers as to how they are going to fund these massive tax cuts,,,so all the international Investors are dumping sterling.

Rats leaving a sinking ship.

Sturgeon does need to move fast,,, otherwise the Scottish economy is going to get dragged down the pan with England.

Take five minutes to read this report about the economic catastrophy that lies ahead in the very near future.

As I have said,I don’t usually follow up what a budget would do to the economy,,but this one is very different.

link to google.com

Everyone in Scotland should be made aware of the voting system – including the cluelesss members of the SNP from top to bottom.

Then Scots would understand that ‘Both votes SNP’ is an outrageous piece of rubbish designed to prevent independence.

You learn something new on Wings every day.

With the pound nearing parity with the US dollar, it got me thinking about how it compared in years gone by.

For instance, during the American civil war, you could get TEN DOLLARS FOR ONE POUND.

Amazing to think it is now not far off one dollar equal to one pound sterling.

Here’s a 200 history of the pound to the dollar.

link to exchangerates.org.uk

Restand

So we have Breeks at 7:45 am saying it is all the fault of malign, shadowy actors (CIA, MI5, WEF, MSM, assorted Satans, etc, etc).

And Lenny Hartley at 9:54 pm explaining how everybody he talks to about the declining state of Scotland, the SNP, and the political situation, just doesn’t want to know.

It might be possible that both are right, and both factors are in play.

But I tend to side with Lenny, simply because Scotland is still a functioning democracy.

Want to know why Scotland is in the state it is? You will have a mirror somewhere.

Go take a keek in it.

Generally, it’s +/- 0.2mm at my work…

Following the new Chancellor’s ‘mini budget, where the Tories continue to look after their own, it must surely be dawning on the ‘hard of thinking’, who infest this site, that MONEY, or the lack of it, is central to just about everything. Of course the BPHB may disagree!
Independence is dead for the next 10 years or more under the current SNP/Tory shambles. Who would honestly vote for an Independent Scotland run by the SNP.
A radical but relatively simple solution. Vote Labour at the next General Election. Not only would we rid ourselves of the current Tory disaster, with hopefully the added bonus of the demise of Sturgeon and her acolytes in the SNP. The loss of the majority of SNP seats would mean she would have to resign taking the dead wood with her.
A few years of Labour in power and in 5 years time we would see the rise of the Independence movement again but in a stronger, more determined shape.
Politics has always been about ‘short termism’ with the long view being ignored. Look at China-they have planned for the long term and it will not be too long before they are the major world super power.
The only drawback I can see is a lack of a leader to take the Independence movement forward. Salmond has too much baggage attached to him and is also simply too old.
Where is that leader?

Yeah, read Iain’s excellent piece yesterday, tolerance and impartiality are not words that I’d now associate with the SNP.

@Chas 9:58

You are right. It’s Starmer’s turn. That’s how the English will see it. And what the English want is what we will get.

We may as well lend Labour the 40 or 50 seats they need to get a solid majority.

That then gives them 5 years to try to sort out the clusterfuck of Covid and The War.

As sterling (and the Euro) continue their downwards slide, the Indy movement will need that 5 years to grapple with the currency question, once and for all.

So they’re going to dual the A9 and A96 thus undermining the remaining rail goods traffic to the Highlands and making life easier for the express coach operators who are already largely on the public teat to carry joy riding over 60s and weans?

How does that fit in with a “Green Agenda”?

This business of a ‘Code of Conduct’ has come up before. The YES movement is independent of all political parties. The YES movement did not need a code of conduct during the last referendum campaign. Anyone trying to impose or enforce a code of conduct will be told where to put their code of conduct, certainly by the YES group I belong to. The YES movement has to be on its guard and resist attempts to take control especially by the SNP.
The SNP is an obstacle and a disgrace but there are still those who live with their heads in the sand.

The only thing standing between us and independence now is Nicola Sturgeon. And she’s willing to use anything to prevent us from taking it. People like the character above are obviously mentally ill, and she is placing them in official positions within the SNP to aid her in her campaign of sabotage.

She has no right to set rules and conditions outside of the party she leads ( for the moment). Before we can make any real progress she will have to go. Her betrayal of the Scottish people is obvious and we can only wonder why.

Of course, rab, the additional spending will be funded with national debt. There is no alternative. You can only borrow money if people are willing to lend though, and to entice them into lending you give them an incentive — by giving them a better return, i.e. higher interest rates.

Mr Thicko above mentioned immigration. He thinks it reduces GDP but it actually increases it. It’s also the best way to dampen wage inflation and increase long term growth, which is what the UK needs. Brexit, again, hasn’t helped labour supply.

It’s a mess. Other countries are a mess too right now but Brexit makes all of the UK’s problems much worse.

What will happen to Sterling if they need to go begging to the IMF?

It’s all starting to resemble a scene from the roadrunner cartoon, with the coyote realising he has gone off a Brexit cliff, parachute failing, a nasty landing, then just when he thinks it’s over a huge piano lands on him.

How does that fit in with a “Green Agenda”?

What about the Borders Railway? I’m told it’s a great success through the jungle telegraph,, but despite living and working in the Borders, I’ve physically laid eyes on an actual train twice. If they’d dualled the A7, or even just improved a few straights so you could actually pass another vehicle, it would have had a direct benefit for me, a Borders resident, countless times.

What is it about the Borders that we get roads where you cannot pass, and we get single line rail which means you can’t even pass somebody else when you’re driving a train?

I’m all for the environment, but give priority to the less glamorous things which make a bigger difference. Then again, I don’t think it’s my vote the SNP care about, because I want Independence, and the hypocritical bastards don’t give a fk about that either.

The “Borders” Railway was really all about Edinburgh commuters and extra cash for the crooks at SBC.

What is it about the Borders that we get roads where you cannot pass, and we get single line rail which means you can’t even pass somebody else when you’re driving a train?

What is it about Borderers that makes them vote Tory time after time after time?

John Main @ 09:48

This is exactly what the problem is! You can only harvest grievance votes when people suffer.
The SNP Business model is Westminster Short Money and the HQ Internal safety net for the loyal (or silent)

The NuSNP elite have put the key internal voting in the trusted hands of the Cult. They only need the zero cost demand of GRA to keep these “office bearers” and NEC affiliates happy.
The Indy Carrot still seems to be keeping the voters in line.

There is a big difference between the code of conduct the snp are putting forward and the grass roots Yes for a independent Scotland,

We chase the out come of a independent Scotland.

The do not.
They can have their code of conduct, they are not in the same catagory or group as genuine independence for Scotland as a movement.

But by implication of the wide umbrella they are trying to include everyone in Scotland under a new
And false law.

Now I presume it is for judges and courts to decide on the matter of Scots Law,
I didn’t realise that a Westminster branch government in Scotland could change Scots Laws of Scotland without breaching the treaty of the union.

As a code of conduct for those inside the political party of the SNP it might be legal.

But Legal in Scots law to cover all the people in Scotland. I think not.
Especially with the Claim of right stating who holds Sovereignty in Scotland.

Pretty sure the new code of conduct is racist, in it only applies to people ( in )Scotland, not the rest of the world.
Pretty sure the code of conduct is also discrimmintary in that it only applies to a selected group of people ( in ) Scotland,

I have not heard that Scottish legal judications have entered this into Scots law for people outside a political party.

John Main says:
24 September, 2022 at 12:12 pm

Meantime, I’m going to say this again.

Everybody claiming that a small country leaving a bigger union has to be a sure fire disaster for the smaller country is helping to assemble the coffin for Scots Indy.

The question is not “are they doing it”, rather it is “why are they doing it”?

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Stop begging the question, ya halfwit.

While I’m here Brian,,,, who’d be your choice to replace Sturgeon as SNP leader?

Trying to see if there is somebody out there that I haven’t heard of before,,,an up and coming Star.

Because I haven’t got a clue,,, it’s as if they all get there brains and balls removed as soon as they become SNP MPs and MSPs.

No wonder The Scottish devolved government are chasing to hold scottish sovereignty To be converted to the Scottish Westminster devolved government in Scotland as far back as 2017.

Cuilean,

I have not voted for the wee green goblins nor the wicked witch of the north for a long time, they are just fairy tales.

Hi Rab.

If I were still an SNP member, I’d be leaning towards Angus B MacNeil MP. He seems to be a bit of a maverick and to veer from the cult’s view regularly. Or Joanna Cherry, if she stays in politics.
Can’t think of an MSP… Certainly not Mr Dempsie Robertson.

Brian 12.56pm

Angus MacNeil seems to have dodged the mandatory brain and balls removal for all SNP MPs.

Maybe about time he started making noises in the leadership direction.

Yes,,, good choice.

Scott,

You could be good at this.

Check were outside lobby funds are coming from that enter into the Scottish government coffers.

Then you will find the SNP are only the front, that the Scottish government is not Scottish in any way or form,

Other than sitting in Scotland,

What can you actually say?? Bereft of words.

“We need a bigger word than “hypocrisy”, folks.”

Like any colonial administration in its blocking of liberation and co-option by an imperial power, the regime according to Aime Cesaire: “is unable to justify itself either before the bar of “reason” or before the bar of “conscience”; and that, increasingly, it takes refuge in a hypocrisy which is all the more odious because it is less and less likely to deceive.”

We can only hope that any remaining sensible members of the dominant national party realise what they are unleashing on the people and that, also according to Cesaire: “a nation which colonizes.. is already a sick civilization, a civilization which is morally diseased, which irresistibly, progressing from one consequence to another, calls for its Hitler, I mean its punishment.”

I think that may be the ‘bigger’ word you are looking for Rev Stu – punishment. Let’s also remember that the UN describes colonialism, which is our ‘condition’, as ‘a scourge’, i.e. a form of punishment.

Scott Ritter.

link to consortiumnews.com

More important than the choice of leader is the required change in strategy.

In either case, whether a Plebiscite Election being a referendum of Independence, or, a SALVO inspired Constitutional initiative, all of Scotland, both political parties, institutions and ordinary people need to muster under a united YES banner and singular Independence Movement. We can still be regiments and brigades amongst ourselves, but we must all be one and the same YES Army.

We cannot risk splitting the vote with an SNP candidate sitting opposite an ALBA candidate, and have those parties divided by their respective manifestos. In a Plebiscite Election, your vote must go explicitly to someone unequivocally standing for Scottish Independence and nothing else. There can be no manifesto beyond simple Independence, because that introduces arguments and equivocation about what the vote then stands for. Candidates must be standing for Independence and that alone. There is no allowance which can be made for troughers. If the Plebiscite is won, there will not be a Westminster seat for them to park their arse on.

That unitary camaraderie and level of commitment should be happening already, but it sadly isn’t to be seen. (In fact the division should never have been tolerated to begin with, nevermind openly propagated), but we”re back to square one again, confronted with the perfectly useless enigma that is Nicola Sturgeon.

What we CANNOTaccommodate is a Constitutionally driven SALVO inspired initiative that is compromised by a democratically elected “pro-Independence” Holyrood government which does not back the same pro Independence initiative, or worse still puts up barricades and impediments to it’s progress as happened with Martin Keatings.

To put it in bluntest terms, if we cannot bring the SNP onside in good time prior to any Plebiscite Election, then as I’ve warned people about before, we need to have a “compromised” and Constitutionally misguided Holyrood impeached and taken out of the equation completely. In real terms, that means Holyrood denounced as a puppet assembly and Vichy style Administration… But that’s hardly going to foster camaraderie either.

It is my firm conviction that the Scottish Independence Movement must bring forward this “showdown” at the earliest possible opportunity, and lance this festering boil which has plagued the YES Movement for eight wasted years. Sturgeon must GO, or I fear all will be lost.

I believe SALVO’s approach is legitimate and lawful, and will bring the Union to a state of existential Constitutional crisis, but the democratic mandate of a sitting Holyrood “Government” can either make it or break it, and I don’t want to see Nicola Sturgeon anywhere near that juncture, nor holding any such power.

This could be right up Johnson’s street.

“Boris Johnson could be set for another high profile political position, with senior Conservatives backing him to be the next secretary general of Nato.

Incumbent Jens Stoltenberg is widely expected to stand down in September next year – about 12 months after the prime minister leaves his role.

The Nato job, which is appointed unanimously by member countries, has also seen former prime ministers David Cameron and Theresa May linked to it as well as defence secretary Ben Wallace.”

link to standard.co.uk

Surely for anyone about to be promoted as an equalities officer the responsible organisation concerned would have a rigorous vetting procedure where background checks for physical threats or unbalanced behaviour of this type would raise alarming responses from the organisation.

It used to be “Women’s Officer” in my day, and people had to have their arms twisted to take on the post. We thought it was a tad insulting, that there was a specific post to coddle women into the party. It was patiently pointed out that women were still under-represented and that it was generally a good thing if one woman took on the job of looking out to see that policies, welcoming and branch structure were woman-friendly.

I seem to remember Morven being generally pressurised/shamed into taking it on, but in the 1990s we didn’t realise that we were at a high water mark of women’s acceptance as human beings, and that men still needed a very beady eye kept on them. (Though we might have guessed, there was a MRA in the branch even then.)

Vetting? Hardly. We all knew each other, liked each other, and trusted each other. Which was all fertile ground when Alyn Smith showed up as a bright-eyed and bushy-tailed new recruit.

Now we’ve lost all the Women’s Officers and Women’s Studies and so on. We thought we didn’t need them any more. The whole field has been taken over by the genderwoo, and now we realise what we need we have to start all over again.

I believe SALVO’s approach is legitimate and lawful, and will bring the Union to a state of existential Constitutional crisis, but the democratic mandate of a sitting Holyrood “Government” can either make it or break it, and I don’t want to see Nicola Sturgeon anywhere near that juncture, nor holding any such power.

That “I believe…” statement is doing a lot of heavy lifting there, huh? The problem for the SALVO/SSRG proponents is demonstrating the legitimacy of their claim to “represent” the majority of the Scottish people, and that said majority is in favour of independence.

Absent a referendum or plebiscitary elections, how is that going to be demonstrated exactly? Petitions? La Diada style national days? Storming Bute House, Holyrood and the Viceroy’s New Office?

You’re entitled to believe that the British Nationalist establishment and/or the current SNP leadership are in a state of existential angst about the SALVO/SSRG platform, but I don’t see any evidence of it.

By concentrating all your fire on Sturgeon, and the fact nothing can be done until she somehow magically disaparates, you’re placing all the eggs of the independence movement in to the basket of the hapless and clueless SNP membership. We all know their quality from the past eight years.

“You’re entitled to believe that the British Nationalist establishment and/or the current SNP leadership are in a state of existential angst about the SALVO/SSRG platform, but I don’t see any evidence of it.”

OP said will bring, ya cloth-eared fuckwit.

Wonder why Ellis chose not to include this bit and all the other gibberish opinion spouted as facts….from the relative safety of Kiev.

Folk can judge for themselves in the rest of the piece. It’s certainly more convincing than the agitprop spouted by Vlad’s home grown shills in here who probably have a panic attack if there isn’t a Greggs within 1 15 minute radius.

The reason Kyiv is relatively sage safe of course is that the inhabitants handed the Orcs their arses on a plate. HTH/YW.

@Pete Wishart

Tell you what Pete:

‘ALBA and it’s hate’ means ALBA and it is hate.

The possessive of ‘it’ is ‘its’ (no apostrophe). But then again, the SNP vetting procedure………

Ian.B @2.12pm.

Ian, this is an eye opener, even more so for who helped compile the report.

“A covert online propaganda operation said to be the world’s largest promoting “pro-Western narratives” has been found to be operating primarily out of the United States, targeting Russia, China and Iran.

“We believe this activity represents the most extensive case of covert pro-Western IO [Information Operation] on social media to be reviewed and analysed by open-source researchers to date.”

link to consortiumnews.com

The report:

://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:nj914nx9540/unheard-voice-tt.pdf

Ellis seems to be enduring a nexistential crisis over the existence of SALVO et al.

He’s a plamf.

Ian (Scotland won’t stand for it) Blackford gets his priorities in order.

“Balmoral Castle should be opened to the public following Queen Elizabeth’s death, according to the SNP’s Westminster leader Ian Blackford.

The castle is typically only open between April and July before the Royal Family arrive for their summer holiday.

The historic building is where the late Queen passed away, but generates only around half of its £3m upkeep through tourism.

And Blackford believes that King Charles should open up areas of the grounds to the wider public year-round.”

Would help if we did not have any name calling.I agree the no 1 priority now is the energy crises probably made worse by Fridays mini budget.

@Breeks (2.44) –

Kin right.

And that’s precisely why the mischief-makers are suggesting that Sturgeon isn’t the problem. Keeping her in place suits them fine.

The performance of the Scottish parliament last week was deplorable. Kowtowing to the new King didn’t have to be quite so embarrassing and obsequious and it provided dozens of images which will haunt the SNP for many years to come.

Right now I’d happily see the Scottish parliament shut down. The Scottish Office hub is the new administrative centre and they’ve made no secret of that. So the closure or ‘suspension’ of the Holyrood parliament would perhaps be the ‘lance’ you mention. If nothing else it would concentrate some minds.

But Sturgeon has to be taken down. How can it be done?

We all have our pet theories about how this imposter came to be in her current role. There’s little doubt that she has committed perjury (the Harassment Inquiry) and we already knew that she had misled the parliament (was it three times, more?). Recent comments from Kenny Macaskill suggest that frustration is growing and ‘the lid is being prised open’. But who’s going to apply the final leverage?

My own theory is that Lesley Evans is the key and that her corrupt relationship with Sturgeon predates indyref1 let alone the Salmond conspiracy. You’ll have seen Campbell Martin’s excellent ‘The Only Game In Town’. Evans was up to her neck in that affair and it has all the ingredients required to qualify as criminality: large-scale corruption, blackmail, the works.

So if we can’t ‘get’ Sturgeon on the conspiracy to finish Alex Salmond, perhaps a better opportunity is to aim for Evans?

For those who haven’t seen them:

‘The Only Game In Town’, Parts One and Two:

link to youtube.com

link to youtube.com

@Brian 6.05 pm

Why should it only be the ant-indy parties that put up multiple candidates?

Exactly right. We can’t rely on the SNP and Greens to play nice and get on board with the concept of a “United for Yes” slate, and what counts is the total number voting for pro-independence parties.

If we are to believe Sturgeon (OK, I know it’s a stretch…but bear with me…!) the SNP are committed to treating the next GE asa plebiscite if the Supreme Court finds against the SG next month. So if the Greens and Alba confirm they will do the same, it could be game over for the union.

Of course the $64,000 question is why haven’t the SNP threatened the earliest possible Holyrood elections on that basis. I mean….time is of the essence, right? The SNP membership are the only ones who can make it happen though…so what are the odds….?

It’s not every day Mossad gets a name check on here as being responsible for some covert shenanigans, so kudos to Republic for giving us a day off from the usual Satans.

And in an earlier post, Hatuey spills the beans on the Chinese economic miracle – yup, all down to immigrants, folks.

And they say the Trans community is out of touch with reality!

Ian Brotherhood says:
24 September, 2022 at 6:25 pm

Right now I’d happily see the Scottish parliament shut down.

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Start a petition seeking a referendum on the matter then if you feel so strongly.

Local authorities in England are legally obliged to hold a referendum if 5% of the registered electorate sign a petition seeking one, but not sure what the threshold would be here in Scotland.

” Why should it only be the ant-indy parties that put up multiple candidates? ”

Because there’s millions more of the wee fckrs than any other demographic , they formicined a policy of putting up multiple candidates .

I reckon the Ant-Indy parties should merge with the OutForIndy group to create an invincible Supergroup .

INANTOUTFORINDY ?

@BDTT –

I’m guessing that it may mean something that has been made to resemble an ant.

🙂

link to en.wiktionary.org

Hi Ian B.

“formicine” exists as a word but “formicined” is a makey-up.

@BDTT –

And who did the makey-upping?!

🙂

Here’s a short video of people voting today, in Lugansk.

odysee.com/@GrahamPhillips:2/donbass-referendum-moments!!!-(lugansk,:0

@Dan

Some of those in the movement may not be the smartest, but even the dumbest of them know the referendums in Donbass, Zaporizhe and Kherson are illegitimate just as the one in Crimea was and will never be accepted by anyone other than Vlad and perhaps a few of his besties in bastions of democracy like Syria and North Korea.

The general population fully support the people of Uk raine and scorn Russian shills spouting their false equivalence bullshit.

I don’t think we have to worry too much about Vlad and his bombastic threats do you…?

link to twitter.com

Grumble proof read fail, ignore double aspect…
Need to get to the opticians as covid stopped that.
At the moment with my eyesight my avatar could also be a Star Wars one with Chewbacca, C3-PO, and Princess Leia having an orgasm as she’s getting probed by an out of shot R2-D2…

LOL. One ponders why The BBC and “newspapers” bother…

It seems we have a new CBB.

Please watch this and see the true colours of the English Fascist Party that rules Scotland

link to twitter.com

Effijy says:
24 September, 2022 at 11:05 pm

Please watch this and see the true colours of the English Fascist Party that rules Scotland

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I prefer Michael Spicer to Rosie Holt…

The point about the Donbas Referendums isn’t whether the West recognises them or not. The point is Ruskiland will, and thereafter, any attack in the Donbas becomes an attack on Mother Ruskiland, and the Ruskis will react accordingly.

People in the West are so dis informed about what is actually happening that it’s creating a spectacularly dangerous level of delusion.

And don’t fall for the false equivalence bullshit between a Donbas referendum and a Scottish one. If an Independent Scotland was intending to ally itself with the Ruski Federation, and stockpile weapons, bio labs and Ruski soldiery all along the border pointing South towards England, and actually start shelling Berwick and Carlisle, the English would find that as equally dangerous and intolerable as the Ruskis find bellicose NATO expansion on their immediate doorstep intolerable.

Furthermore, because people in the West are so indoctrinated by the eye watering deceit of the media, you create an equally dangerous scenario where the “enemy” comes to recognise there is no point expecting the West to react in a reasonable and proportionate manner. We are literally mushrooms to them… kept in the dark and fed on bullshit.

We are not looking at another Cold War scenario. We are stumbling towards new Cold War style tensions, but with an apparently dumb level of awareness in the West just how close we are to Doomsday and nuclear annihilation.

If you still don’t see it, then ask yourself why the US and UK are also trying to agitate tensions with China over Taiwan. After decades keeping the peace by respecting the principle of One China, why are attitudes now changing? Why are US and UK ships sailing provocatively through Chinese territorial waters? WHY?

This creeping Western belligerence has been a phenomenon for decades leaving death, rubble, and blootered infrastructure in it’s wake throughout the Middle East and North Africa. – Iraq smashed. Afghanistan smashed. Libya smashed. Syria smashed. Yemen smashed, and we all know the US would dearly love to smash Iran.

By what authority? By what UN Resolution? Who is the common aggressor again, and again, and again? Because that’s the aggressor whom both Ruskiland and China see rolling up right on their doorstep. – A sinister aggressor ostensibly “led” by a senile old man and a screaming imbecile who thinks she’s channeling Margaret Thatcher, (who’s just replaced the screaming imbecile who thought he was channelling Winston Churchill).

And you know what common theme you see spreading alarm about the West? The men dressing up in frocks and make up, strutting around as gross, angry and obnoxious parodies of women, who are determined to sexualise children and violate every known taboo of “civilised” society in the name of “freedom”.

Are you alarmed yet? Because you should be. We are the West, and the West is perceived as a depraved fucking monster, and yes, they will bomb us if the provocations don’t stop.

They are very reluctant to bomb us, but right now, the West is deluded, drunk and stumbling around on alert level 3 or 4, but those who feel threatened by us, those whom we scare, are on alert level 9.8 and rising. They are already at war, smashing every piece of Western Military equipment which the West is deploying on their doorstep.

The people of the West are not evil, but our Leadership, our deep state institutions, the Western “Establishment” has a black heart and comes as close as anything to the living embodiment of evil.

Breeks

I was going to consider suggesting you could condense your post enormously and just write:

“Look guys, I’m shitting myself here”

But then I got to the men in frocks bit and realised it’s more complex than that.

Let me clarify things for you.

Russia and China are not expanding their areas of influence by force and threat of force because they fear our use of pronouns. It is much simpler than that. They seek land, resources, an external diversion from internal tensions, reduced internal threat to their unpopular political elites, and at the highest level, personal safety and enhanced personal wealth.

I have neither the time nor the patience to address your ravings, but one of your stand-out carpet-biting claims deserves a response.

Why don’t you devote your time to telling those millions of people, including Russians and Chinese, who are straining every sinew to come to the west for safety, freedom and personal advancement, that we are a “depraved fucking monster”.

Find a site these people read. The people reading this one just see in your post somebody who needs help.

Breeks @ 5.45

Thanks for that – absolutely nailed it . And thank fuck there are people like yourself able to see through the – in this case ,truly – unprecedented levels of mind- freezing propaganda . We know there are millions who think similarly , but IN EXACTLY THE SAME way dissenting voices were ruthlessly stamped-on during the Covid hysteria , so it is with the W.I.U .

Anyone who was a fan of Twin Peaks will recall the recurring phrase …..” It’s happening again ” , well, here we are, yes

It’s happening again .

That some clowns on here , parading their * well-informed * ignorance , their willing capture by the utter bullshit served-up as * truth * by a totally corrupt MSM and Political Class – either through a Gump-like naivety or some variation of ” West Is Best ” myopia – can talk only in terms of winners and losers , good guys and bad guys as we edge closer to potential oblivion – and have the fckn gall to accuse those of us crying out for sanity of * giving the Independence Movement a bad name * , or some such idiocy – is symptomatic of the general level of stupidity that prevails .

Effigy and Aberdeen Pict – it was funny , made me smirk but then it was perhaps far too near the truth for a belly laugh.

I see some of you are still entertaining the ‘troops’- never considered stopping??

@Breeks 5.45 am (…man….get a life…!)

Hard to disagree with John Main’s assessment of your ill-informed rantings. Some of your most egregious effluent deserves a response however:

..the Ruskis find bellicose NATO expansion on their immediate doorstep intolerable

So what? It isn’t their decision to make. The Orcs are no more allowed to dictate whether Uk raine joins the EU or NATO than England is allowed to dictate how Scotland acts after independence. That’s not how the international system works. The attempted annexation of Donbass has no more legitimacy than the annexation of Crimea: that’s why nobody else recognises it. The fact some Russians wanted to secede from Uk raine and started a civil war to achieve their illegitimate aims doesn’t render it acceptable, any more than pro-union Borderer’s declaring their independence from Scotland and intention to unify with England and attempting to make it so by shelling the Lothians.

We are stumbling towards new Cold War style tensions, but with an apparently dumb level of awareness in the West just how close we are to Doomsday and nuclear annihilation.

The responsibility for that lies overwhelmingly with Vlad and the Russian people. The nuclear blackmail thing is a bluff: he knows it and we know it. Vlad will be strung up from a lamppost on Red Square before he has the chance to press the nuclear button.

Why are US and UK ships sailing provocatively through Chinese territorial waters? WHY?

They’re international waters, not Chinese waters. China has form for such cartographic aggression in the South China Seas of course, which is why all its neighbours in SE Asia resist Chinese attempts to assert sovereignty there by building islands and claiming reefs that aren’t theirs. The people of Taiwan have as much right to self determination as anyone else: no true nationalist can or should assert otherwise, unless they’re misinformed or a Chinese asset.

The people of Taiwan are – understandably – worried that if Vlad got his way as you and his other apologists in here would like, they would be next for the same treatment from Vlad’s mate Xi. Given American security guarantees to Taiwan, and Taiwan’s own military strength, that would be a far more dangerous scenario.

The reason Europeans have been quick to react to Vlad’s aggression is they know what happens when you appease dictators.

We are the West, and the West is perceived as a depraved fucking monster, and yes, they will bomb us if the provocations don’t stop.

This false equivalence nonsense has to stop. Western policy is imperfect: we’ve made mistakes. The idea that we are no better than Vlad or Xi however – or even more laughably than Assad or Khameini – is strictly for the birds or the doubtless paid assets of such regimes. It’s hard to beleive there are really that many Lord Haw Haw figures who support your worldview out of sincere ideological commitment, but doubtless there are always a few contrarians in any society.

If the West is so black hearted and irredeemable, why is it folks from all over the world flock her in their millions to enjoy the benefits of the freedoms and economic prospects which are available here, but not in their home countries? Hundreds of thousands of Russians are leaving their country now to avoid serving in Vlad’s army, or just to avoid living in an authoritarian, gangster state dystopia. Millions have risked their lives to get away from these places: they don’t go to China or Iran or Russia do they?

Vlad won’t bomb us. He has neither the political will or domestic support for doing so. The poor performance and quality of Russki forces and material in their latest aggression demonstrate to the world that they’re a second or third rate power with pretensions to international relevance. They’re well on their way to becoming Upper Volta with nukes, just like the 1970’s era USSR.

The people of the West are not evil, but our Leadership, our deep state institutions, the Western “Establishment” has a black heart and comes as close as anything to the living embodiment of evil.

You seem a little over-wrought. Posting at 5.45 am is always a red flag of course. Either you’re an asset positing from a different time zone, or you’re a mono maniacal zoomer whose meds either haven’t kicked in, or have made you a bit hyper. No reasonable person could read your output and see anything but an utter crack pot. It’s amazing you can even see your monitor for the amount of spittle that rant must have generated.

Well said, Breeks @ 5.45am. The rising tensions are there for everyone to see, if they would just look past mainstream western media, and every time there is any slack apparent in these tensions, the western powers give another sharp prod to the Chinese and the Russkis. The insults from the west towards these two powers have been provocative and have ensured that Xi and Put have little choice but to react with further threats. It is crazy, no one will gain from WWIII and the use of WMD by several states, yet the west/NATO seems to think they can force the break-up of Rus to a point where it is no longer a world power, without anyone resorting to the use of nuclear weaponry. That is surely delusional.

To all those who have concerns about the war I have a simple question.

What are you going to do about it?

What do you think you can do about it?

That could be a very interesting discussion.

I was going to post, stating it would only be a matter of time until Ruby popped up to complain that Wings is being hijacked again.

If only there was some way I could moneterise this omniscience.

Here’s the thing. I don’t care if nobody ever posts on here about UK raine again. But my perspective is that it is always the perps calling for the destruction of an independent sovereign nation that start it.

There are plenty of sites where the BTL comments are in that vein. That’s fine, comment is free.

But on a pro-Indy site, it is just too rich a seam of high-grade irony to be left unmined.

John Main says:
25 September, 2022 at 9:51 am

There are plenty of sites where the BTL comments are in that vein. That’s fine, comment is free.

Comment isn’t free Stu has to pay for you to comment here.

John Main says:
25 September, 2022 at 10:07 am

@Andy Ellis 9:33

Good post.

What are you and Andy Ellis going to do about the ‘wicked depravity’?

Just write posts on Wings and congratulate one another?

Not sure how much more tolerance is expected but if the recent footie results aren’t enough to ease the pain its always worth remembering that, according to the official narrative, warmongers in the Donbass were, for good or ill, on the exact same side during the recent common cold war.

Also Worth considering under the how/why of it all is that, at £500/ rated KW, the £150 Billion set aside for the so called energy crisis will buy you 10 times as much production capacity as UK is currently able to consume. As such, but for whatever agenda is being followed by the clown car steering committee, there could even be sufficient room for adjustment to give everyone an electric car/ 3 days overnight storage from the change.*

link to alma-solarshop.fr

*Godwin’s law re the last time the greeveryone was offered a government supplied new car notwithsanding

I think the point here is for those trying to persuade us to talk about war to redirect the talk about away from a independent Scotland,

Is Scotland no longer believes in any news that comes from sources of government or MSM because both lie to Scots continuously for so long.

It is not the war, it could be any topic nowadays, Scots will alway doubt their kind of truth after the years they have been fed shi…

Those on here fighting to persuade the Scots to come round to their way of thinking or even to tag along have a long hard task trying to convince us the truth is on Westminsters side.

Just popped in to say well done breeks @ 5.45. You nailed it.

The question of why they are trying to start WWIII right now is a good one.

Note that it isn’t about liberation any more, it’s about regime change.

And it’s not a proxy war any more, not really.

Isn’t it odd to see armchair weirdos like Ellis loving it? Maybe he thinks he will be safe up his own ass, if the worst happen.

Breeks.

Well said,
This has been something of a blind spot for the independence movement,

The Snp NOR the devolved government are on board with the independence for Scots, they try thwart, control and suppress it, from bias illegal charges to independence frontmen and leaders to the new illegal code of conduct for all Scots outside a political party.

The puppet Globalist SNP use the devolved Government as there best weapon against Scottish independence advancing forward.