Wings Over Scotland

The guy’s not got a shred of integrity, pretty much party for the course in the alternate Yooniverse.

Ah Ha finally tracked Colin Alexander down , I knew his ranting seemed familiar

The Oracle! The Oracle has spoken! He can only be right!

Heads we win, tails you lose. We’ll decide what merits a second referendum and what doesn’t.
We don’t do irony.
Hypocrites.

If this guy McTernan was your moral compass , then you are going to be lost like those in the Bermuda Triangle.

He is eminently suited to Labour given he changes his mind as often as Corbyn and turns 180 degrees when it suits.

Here’s your problem: “https://wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/https://wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/mcternan-radioulster-04jan2018.mp3?_=1”

Try link to wingsoverscotland.com

I’ll be kind.. totally insightless

Well who would have guessed that. Its great when they dont get the result their looking for, but we can only whisper of a second vote on our referendum,though we are labelled divisive. Hes a walking clusterfuck of a man and his political predictions have enough accuracy to compare him to David Icke.

ROFL – bare faced hypocrisy of the highest order.

Foot in Mouth disease outbreak alert…!!

Someone best cordon off McTeirnan for the sake of the union…har de har..!!

The gift that keeps giving…every time !

I could never of predicted he’d be a fanny.

Ain’t no hypocrite like a red tory hypocrite. John Humphries asked/told Blair this week, that there would be civil unrest if good olde teamGB didn’t Leave. Think he meant England though.

Bottom line, its the red tory Lab crew, squeezing JC’s EU nuts very hard now, because that guy hasnt got a clue what to do with Brexit.

What a hypocritical little shit McTernan is, Michael Wollf, should write a book exposing this dummy.

Politicians with selective referendum memory. He lost the Euro one so it must be reversed. He was on the winning side in 2014 so to him it should not be reversed. It will be.

Spot on. What the man says is quite right – now let’s see if we can’t roll out that logic a little bit further.

Have we forgotten already, so close to Christmas, that Christmastide is not yet done and the wise men’s arrival is still to look forward to, that what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander ?

We are going to miss Kezia. She articulated Labour ‘thinking’ without seeming the least bit fazed by its constant reversals and inherent contradictions.

Well that’s okay then, he is pro democracy up for continued debate and further referendum if required.

My sort of chap, nice to see folk drifting over to yes makes sense.

FIRST POINT

They never talk about another Leave / Remain EU referendum, do they?

He talks about ‘signing off deal’ vote? There are two ways a deal can be rejected – no deal, we’re leaving the EU anyway, OR no deal, we must stay in the EU.

WM has a horrendous record of referendums recently. They should ALWAYS be a choice of status quo versus proposed changes.

The reason why we are in this mess is because Cameron called a vote on ‘his deal’ versus an unplanned leave of some unknown manner. He also fcked up IndyRef1 by changing it into undefined DevoSuperFedMax versus Indy.

In both cases the undefined option won and nothing was really settled even in the short term.

If they have another EURef with a clear deal versus anything other than status quo (remain in EU), it will all go hideously wrong. Again.

POINT TWO

This isn’t the first time we have heard arguments from arch Unionists that democractic opinion is fluid and evolving continually, and no vote should preclude a future vote.

Then they have the cheek, audacity, and hypocrisy to argue Scotland is different.

Still look on the bright side, such behaviour can be highlighted and used against them until Indy is achieved.

Who pays the guy is what I want to know.

AFAICT he’s despised by everyone bar a tiny section of the Labour party so who’s paying his bills? On a “despised scale” of 1-10 where Blair is at 10, Mcternan is surely at 9.

Enquiring minds would like to know who funds this nonsense, can’t just be the BBC….

Capella says:
5 January, 2018 at 4:50 pm
His case rests on the fact that people were misled about the customs union and single market. So they are entitled to a second vote.

So all Labour have to do is put Brexit ref2 in their election manifesto. FibDem’s might do. It’s just about the only democratic route for Brexit ref2.

If Lab do have a ref2 EU pledge next GE and they win, that’s the mandate.

But clearly Lab under JC just do not want to talke the risk, so that’s that. Look at how FibDem vote did nothing last time offering ref2.

Shane really, Willie Rennia trying not to look like a mad hypocrite, just like Macternan here was funny.

Took me a while to figure out how to work this page, doh! 🙂

Man adopts left-wing populism in order to advance a right-wing agenda. Is there not historical presidency of similar?

@Duncan Hothersall & John McTernan
You guys are aware that Scotland and England have separate histories and cultures that predate 1707, as a result of being two nations and not ‘One Nation’? Do you really countenance British nationalism privileging narrow, English, utilitarian culture, over Scotland’s political will (see Brexit, etc.)? Do you really understand the principle of universal human rights?

Kissing Cousins: Nationalism and Realism

SHARED ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT POLITICS

Nationalism and realism are particularistic theories at their most basic level. They both assume that the key actors in the world are autonomous units that interact with each other as a matter of course. Because those interactions can be either beneficial or harmful, the units pay careful attention to how the behavior of the other units affects their own interests. Each unit has the right as well as the responsibility to pursue its own interests, even if it is done at the expense of the other units’ interests. This privileging of one’s own welfare sometimes leads the units to attempt to harm or even destroy other units.

This selfish behavior notwithstanding, the units are not hostile toward each other in all instances and they certainly are not in a constant state of war. In fact, they sometimes cooperate with each other. Nevertheless, every unit knows that there is always the possibility that another unit will threaten it. Because the possibility of conflict is always present, the units worry about their survival, even when there is no imminent threat. Survival is not the only goal for the units, of course, but it must be their highest goal for the obvious reason that if a unit does not survive, it cannot pursue those other goals. Both realists and most theorists of nationalism also believe that there is little that the units can do to change or transcend this world.

The central unit of analysis for realism is the state, which is the most powerful political institution in the world. In contrast, the nation is the main unit of analysis for nationalism. Nations are intensely political actors for sure, but they must operate through specific political institutions to acquire and exercise power. The key institution for nations is the state, because it is so powerful relative to other political institutions. Indeed, their survival is inextricably bound up with the state, which is why each nation would prefer to have its own nation-state. In short, the state is of fundamental importance for nationalism as well as realism. Both theories treat the state as the key political actor on the planet.

Particularistic theories like nationalism and realism stand in marked contrast to universalistic theories. The latter family – which includes both liberalism and Marxism – emphasizes that the independent units that populate the world should be seriously concerned about the welfare of the other units, and not privilege their own interests over the interests of others. The units, in other words, should act primarily as if they are an integral part of a larger community, not as self-interested actors maximizing their own utility….

link to mearsheimer.uchicago.edu

Mystic McTernan is well on his way to being seen as a Demi-God for the Independence supporters.

He’s that thick, that he thinks because anything he says is written in an English paper or heard on English TV or radio that the Scots won’t pick up on it. Dumbass.

He’s a failed blowhard balloon Blairite political mouthpiece that gets everything wrong and changes his spots when it suits his next wage packet. He’s a joke and a political liability to whoever is paying him.

Looks as though we’ve just been given the green light from a Mr McTernan (who’s that?).

Let’s go for it folks.

@Ruby [about McTiernan] “and the Scottish people do not want a 2nd IndyRef and Nicola Sturgeon definitely doesn’t want one”

Yes, there are dumb Unionists still keep insisting that, as though the percentage of Sootland’s people (about 0.000001%) who are total numbnuts including themselves will believe them. It’s funny 🙂

FGS!

John ‘NO..Stradamus’ McTernan. 🙂 A Bletherskite!

PS:

John Beattie: and Alyson Pollock (telling it how it is)

Posted near the end of the last thread for those that haven’t heard it.

SNHS interview here. Go to 50:15 on time scale.

link to bbc.co.uk

OH…MY…GOD!

LOLZMAGEDDON 😀

That snippit should come back to haunt him.

Rev,
Do you know who the perfect partner for McTernan is ? DONALD TRUMP, God what a pairing !!.
(Wheeest now, be very careful of jesting, you know what can happen!)

Oh look…after being left up the creek due to the SNP budget increase for public sector workers, labour have persuaded their pet unions to demand even more !!

If teachers strike, rescind their pay offer and blame the unions/labour.

I wish there was an edit/delete facility. Ignore last comment.

His faux outrage is fecking hilarious.

So he’s now trawling the stations to further Tony’s latest ‘honest’ proposals?

Just how low can he go… 😀

If you didn’t know it was McTernan speaking, you could quite happily nod your head to his “democracy is a process, not a one-off event” message. Alastair Campbell, another bletherskite (word of the day)/moral void and utter chancer uses the same arguments very articulately when interviewed about Brexit.

Their utter hypocrisy when opposing another Scottish referendum is to be expected from a party which lost what vision and integrity it had by the late 50s.

geeo: I wouldn’t worry about teachers voting for strike action. I doubt that will happen. A couple of days’ strike would wipe-out any likely pay increase and they’re not that stupid.

It’s strange BLiS______d EIS types haven’t caused the SG more problems, particularly with the implementation of the flawed Curriculum for Excellence (assessment needs complete reform), but then it was a Labour creation. Larry Flanagan normally has the presence of the invisible man so his actions now could be explained as getting the red light from the Yoons to put the boot in. I noticed the Daily Heil was quite exultant today about the possibility of strike action (irony bypass) so it could all be coordinated.

Constant attacks on the Scottish NHS, the police and education are necessary if the SNP are to lose their majority at the next Holyrood elections.

What a pathetic, twisted wee world is Yoonworld.

A good journalist would then have asked “Is that your view on a second referendum on Scotland leaving the Union with England?”.

Vestas muses, “who’s pays the guy is what I want to know”.There may well be more than one SUI style unit around paying out lickspittles.

The media keep bringing in these reptiles Blair Mcternan Campbell Clegg Cable etc., to try to prove their agenda when most if not all of them are Proven Liarsj ordinary decent people want nothing to do with them but then the media do not represent ordinary people I mean how many people are in their graves now because of Tony Blairs lies what decent person would want to listen to anything he has to say ??? He should be in jail for mass murder not on the media it would make you puke

English NHS getting monstered by state run BBC and MSM,

is this part of plan to selling it off,

run it down,constantly criticise it,make it look like it is failing,

so the English citizens might be slightly more amenable when they come to selling it off bit by bit,

and Gov/Tory/Labour billionaire friends can asset strip and be paid millions in subsidies by Gov, (Virgin Rail)

they have done the same with rail,Post Office,civil service.

Now that….is a keeper. To be kept FOREVER. (and used when required).

I have no idea what McTernan is currently doing to keep the wolf from his door, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s only too happy to air anything out of his Unionist ragbag, gratis and for just a few seconds back in the precious limelight. Hardly surprising either he’s a WM fanboy, though, since he’s parasitised off it for years.

What I find much more interesting is just how easy it is for a total has-been like McTernan to continue to be airing his views courtesy of the BBC.

You don’t exactly see people like Paul Kavanagh who have real currency in the indy movement getting equivalent exposure at all. Correction: getting any exposure at all. Even somebody like Nicola struggles to get a say, in fact.

Obviously none nearly as significant as NostraTernan…

@Auld Rock says: 5 January, 2018 at 4:33 pm:

“Didn’t he used to be a DEVOUT BLAIRITE??”

Naw! Auld Rock, you misheard him. He’s a devout Mairite. He’ll say anything you like if you pay him mair than anyone else.

If there is a second WM vote on Brexit, the SNP should abstain. As ANY Brexit terms are unacceptable.

The sovereign people of Scotland already voted Remain. That vote was ignored by the UK Govt, so the SNP should boycott everything to do with it.

I know it could be argued, as Scotland voted Remain, then the SNP should vote to try and prevent Brexit.

However, if the SNP take part and the winning vote approved Brexit, then the UK Govt would use the SNP’s participation as proof the SNP approved of the Brexit vote and would say it’s just sour grapes that the SNP were on the losing side.

Instead the SNP should be taking the UK and EU to court to force the UK and EU to prove in court that Scotland can be dragged out the EU against her Scotland’s democratically expressed will to Remain.

@Duncan Hothersall & John McTernan
I don’t think either of you guys are dim, its just your interpretation of reality appears to be grounded in ideology you do not fully comprehend. Still, it takes a certain ego-driven type of character to articulate such a forceful “anti-emancipation” positions as yourselves, specifically, one that leans towards the authoritarian reactionary.

NATIONALISM, ETHNICITY AND DEMOCRACY:
CONTEMPORARY MANIFESTATIONS

The subject of nationalism is extremely complex, not the least because of the many different sources and manifestations of the phenomenon. This paper will deal essentially with certain contemporary forms of nationalism which have emerged or intensified in Europe and the former Soviet Union during the 1990s. In order to place this discussion in perspective, a brief background of the historical experience is provided at the outset as well as a consideration of some of the basic concepts relating to this phenomenon.

As the ensuing discussion will show, it is almost impossible to come up with a uniform definition of nationalism. In its historical context, it is an ideological movement aimed at attaining and maintaining the identity, unity (through social cohesion) and autonomy (through national self-determination) of a “nation,” or a peoples united under a “national” banner (Smith, 1991). In other words, it is the most potent ideology in nation state building and consolidation. However, as we will seek to illustrate, nationalism, particularly in the contemporary era, has also been a vehicle for disaffected ethnic or cultural communities to voice their dissatisfaction with the status quo. The sources of discontent may be related to a variety of factors such as denial of cultural identity, political discrimination, repression, or economic deprivation. In these cases, it is a movement of minority groups which springs up in reaction to the policies or performance of the central state. At other times, it is a counter-reaction, either on the part of the political authorities, or of threatened social groups, in response to the political authorities, and therefore embodies different objectives. But in most cases, the central state, whether directly or indirectly, plays a key role in manipulating or being the target of nationalist sentiments.

Hence, in this paper, nationalism has a broad meaning ranging from being the defining ideology of political movements seeking some form of autonomy or independent statehood; of groups striving to achieve or to improve their cultural, political, social and economic rights within a given state; of protest movements on the part of communities threatened by either state policies or by other social groups; to the core ideology employed by the state to galvanize public support for its policies or to reaffirm its legitimacy. The typology offered attempts to distinguish between these various contemporary manifestations of nationalist sentiment and discusses their impact on democracy as a means of distinguishing between the progressive and reactionary forms of nationalism.

link to gmu.edu

The next three days stories, courtesy of Derek Bateman ….

Sat 6th – Matheson missing for miners
Sat 6th – Labour calls for urgent action on teacher pay in the New Year
Sun 7th – More than 1,000 delayed discharge deaths since 2015
Mon 8th – More than one in ten Scottish children from families ‘on the financial edge’

All to plan. SNPBaaad day by day.

link to derekbateman.scot

Dr Jim says:
5 January, 2018 at 4:44 pm

Democracy is what I say it is!

The code of all Unionists

Succinct and intuitive Doc if only we could transplant your brain into mcTornarses heid he could then maybe be considered to be less of a twat

Indy voter ” bbbut John thats all us indy voters want for Scotland as we were also lied to ”

John ” its not the same thing the UK voted for brexit as a whole so we socialist liebourites demand to be listened to”

Indy voter ” bbbut John we also demand to be listened to ”

John ” Fuck off you don’t deserve to be listened to Tony said and he’s the man na na na na na “

am totally on-topic this evening
“we hold these truths to be self evident” – enjoy!

link to eurofree3.wordpress.com

#Ruby @ 6:32 pm

link to archive.is

Questions raised over Scotland In Union’s election time donations

Warning it’s a Tom Gordon article.

…………………………………

The article says it is an ‘Exclusive by Tom Gordon’

But, is it?

link to wingsoverscotland.com

It’s not true that the media open up to SLab and the Tories but are closed to the SNP.

At least a couple of SNPers, it seems, managed to penetrate the political media at Westminster.

However, there’s no truth in the rumour, that when the Party bosses found out and said we know about it and your position is untenable, the reply was: No, missionary.

Scot Finlayson says

Scotland in Union seems to be getting sacrificed/abandoned by Tory/establishment/yoonworld

Aye, someone somewhere decided SiU were more of a liability than an asset!

If true, it implies someone pulling strings is a tad more savvy than the average loony yoon.

I suspect they realise they can’t fake grassroots because right wing Brexity British Nationalism has no grass roots in Scotland.

What we might see (if we watch carefully) is the type of online manipulation deployed on social media for Trump and Leave. Mind you, here we are on WoS (online Indy central) and while we see plenty of topic disruption and attempted opinion bending, but none of it seems at all sophisticated!

Outstanding post Rev. Outstanding website.

Almost literally funny, if it wasn’t all so serious for many being left behind, in UK England-style Scotland.

After independence no more sleight-of hand, no more shady right-wing Westminster propagandists in control.

No more remote-control.

No more WOLVES in sheeps clothing, providing wool to pull over the eyes,
of those too lazy to open them enough
to let light in.

No more influence for those too proud to admit they didn’t consider their own futures years ago, the future of our communities, the state we’re in.

Now though, people of all ages are working out who should be trusted and with which strings.

Looking through older posts and comments on here, shows the audacity of so many career journalists and party stooges.

See also the sneaking tentacles of influence from the Westminster cabal.

Witness examples of the Establishment classes and their immoral abuse of their 99% monopoly over media titles AND ALL broadcasting.

Rising above it IS EASY.

‘Work, as though living in the early days of a better nation’ (A.G.)

The Pharaohs;

When the powerful the wealthy and the people of positon tell the ordinary citizen they can’t afford Independence what they mean is THEY can’t afford to lose their wealth power and position so they will spend even more wealth to keep the poor poor and in their position

The ordinary citizen has none of these things so how can they lose what they never had but by voting FOR self determination there are much greater riches than position and power to be won

Financial wealth and the promise of it is only ever made by the aforementioned powerful people if the ordinary citizen behaves in the way they are ordered, yet over thousands of years of these promises by the powerful, the ordinary citizen seldom if ever benefits by these promises

I have noted over many years the powerful wealthy and people of position always profess to know more than the rest of us, always telling the rest of us we are misinformed or misled or uneducated in the way the world works, I have also noted how these people belittle and decry every other culture other than their own and how they rejoice in the suffering of others who are or were conquered by them, but of course it was not they who conquered it was us the ordinary citizen with nothing who did the conquering under the orders of the powerful wealthy and people of position

So the weapon of these people is and always has been FEAR,
instill that into a population and you have your victory, however if you can’t instill FEAR then all is lost and the FEAR you tried to instill in others becomes your own

The Unionist Pharaohs are afraid

If human rights are universal, should Scots have their legal identities and economic security, forcibly determined by principles of English constitutional law (see Brexit, etc.)?

Equality and Human Rights: Key Concepts and Issues
Working Paper 1

Jane Mulderrig
University of Edinburgh

In recent years equalities and human rights have come to occupy a prominent place on the agenda of policy makers, academics, and organisations in the public, private and voluntary sectors. This is partly a result of the trend towards mainstreaming equality and opportunity across various domains of public life. Increasing interest in the relationship between equalities and human rights in the UK context also stems in part from their incorporation within a single Commission for Equalities and Human Rights. The challenging remit of the Commission is to develop a workable definition of equality fitted to the current socio-economic context, devise appropriate policy instruments, and monitor their implementation. This creates an important role for critical academic inquiry into the problems and possibilities this agenda produces for diverse stakeholders. This paper begins by briefly mapping the intellectual terrain, reviewing some of the most important literature on equality and human rights.

link to docs.hss.ed.ac.uk

Peter Singer – Hegel and Marx
link to youtube.com

Human Rights: Philosophy and History – Professor Sir Geoffrey Nice QC
link to youtube.com

@galamcennalath

Thanks for the link to the Derek Bateman article “Manipulating the Media” that you posted earlier.

That is truly an amazing story of how Labour can manipulate the news over the 2 week holiday period at Xmas and New Year with the explicit assistance of the political print journalists and broadcasters in Scotland.

It clearly shows that the general public all taken for mugs when it comes to their political reporting. It’s a disgrace that Labour can set out a timetable for their press releases to be published whereas you’d be lucky to see a single SNP press release in 3 months being reported.

It’s not just the media who are being manipulated it’s the Scottish public and it’s a disgrace.

link to derekbateman.scot

@louis.b.argyll

The establishment will still be there after Independence,

it`s like gravity,unseen/invisible yet controls everything on earth,

what they can`t stop they infiltrate,take over and control,

they control our Legal system,higher education system,media system,museums,national trust,they lobby our Government behind our backs,most of our land,charities,….

Independence is just the beginning of a truly Independent free Scotland.

Derek Bateman spells out the collusion of the media with the Westminster hegemony.
link to derekbateman.scot

@Heedtracker

I’m just challenging your assertion.

You said the media are compliant with the unionists, but it’s all SNP bad by the press.

But, I think she thought they were quite good. Didn’t read of any complaints anyway.

“Nice smear” you said. Well, that’s just put me right off my warm milk before bed.

There is no smear, it all came out in the wash.

I’m just pointing out there are some political journalists at WM that SNP politicians can find satisfaction with. They may not bend over backwards to please the SNP, but will sometimes get into bed with some nationalists.

They may not swallow all the SNP MPs have to offer, but at least it seems they also believe Scotland will be independent in the not too distant future.

I’m not having a go at these politicians for poor judgement. Nobody is perfect.

Working so far from home, banging the headboard, I mean drum, for Scotland. It must get hard sometimes but, at least they stood up for Scotland at Westminster, as promised in the manifesto.

Colin Alexander you are just a nasty piece of work.

I saw what you did there with headboard sorry drum shit. Nasty piece of scum you are. Pretendy good guy . No you are scum.

yesindyref2

Yeh, but I bet wee Denmark doesn’t have 2 admirals per ship like the greatness of brits do!

The result of the Scottish referendum is not legally binding. For all we know the country is in the middle of an ‘independent’ Scotland ‘transitional arrangement’. The Scotland Act 2016 gave Holyrood new devolved powers, with more to come. One of these is the power to keep 50% of the VAT raised in Scotland. With powers returning to the UK from the EU, Scotland will also ‘share’ reserved powers. The UK, after it leaves the EU officially in March 2019, can fully devolve VAT, including the power to vary the rate. This arrangement would not have been impossible when the UK was in the EU, but it would be possible during the UK’s ‘transitional arrangements’ with the EU.

No doubt most people already know, but there is an outbreak of flu sweeping the UK, including Scotland.

Apparently this includes “Austrailan flu”, which can cause more severe or prolonged symptoms than normal flu or lead to further illness such as pneumonia.

So, several hospitals, including Queen Betty’s ( Queen Elizabeth University Hospital in Glasgow) have seen a surge in patients with severe flu symptoms , which has led to pressure on beds available, so operations being cancelled etc.

That’s why hospitals’ waiting times have increased too at A&E.

@Thepnr
Some things don’t go away if there’s a public setback, they just go dark.

link to archive.is

NHS England is on its way out, it’s not if, just when.

@yesindyref2

When you have two such notable figures such as Professor Stephen Hawking and Professor Allyson Pollock crowdfunding to prevent Westminster privatising the English NHS then it’s pretty obvious that there are real issues with the running of the NHS under Hunt and the Tories.

I wish them every success and am pleased to say that they have reached their target yesterday for stage 2 of the fight where they will go to court.

Some people will always fight back. Where are the media/BBC?

Aye right, here we go. Reasons for Independence part YES.

1). With Independence the SG do have control over the levers, which means Scotland will be run in all ways as most Scots vote for, which is the first time ever for voting, the first time for centuries before votes were given to us plebs. That means that if Scotland wants to cast off neoliberalism, all at once or in stages, it can. Clearly we must have our own currency, and then when the economy needs it, money is created and spent in the economy rather than given to private banks. Denmark now denotes all its debt in its own currency, the Krone, in spite of being a member of the EU, we must do the same.

And I tend to agree with this full employment idea for many reasons. This would take care of the Doosan Babcock 500 short-term worker layoffs for instance, they would be re-employed on a state “shovel-ready” project, funded as above. That balances state versus private for its ups and down, but to do so you probably really need 2).

2). A beneficial triangle between business, union and government. Well, UK Gov don’t like unions, even Labour are arns length. And some unions think of themselves as British, not Scottish. No, government should go hand-in-hand with unions, and industry / business can employ more people when needed, the state picks up the slack when not.

3). Now the negative reason to get the hell out of dodge. Take the NHS in England, its spending has been largely protected and even increased by the Tories. But it’s to reorganise it and make it more attractive for privatisation. 49% privatisation is allowed I think in that 2012 Health Act, even that can be changed by an amendment or a new Act. The Tories are the worse, most of the front bench including the PM are placemen and placewomen, the real power is elsewhere. Labour too had this setup, perhaps to a lesser extent. And it’s not just the NHS, there’s the police, and education – that received a temporary setback but it’s on its way.

So we really do have to get the hell out of the UK, and before 2021 or so after any EU transition time, because there will be no restraints, no setbacks, no problem with going full steam ahead to sell off the UK. And its people like chattels, belongings.

There’d be more but hey, that posting was quite long enough, thanks very much!

Night all, sweet dreams …

Another Tory pretending to be Labour. Or is it a Labour trying to be more Tory. Or is there any difference? Just a lying inconsiderate unionist. Every word he utters is a lie. He gets it wrong every time. These illegal war supporters caused Brexit. They caused the worst migration problems in Europe since 11WW. Killing and maiming millions of people. Bombing the Middle East to bits for Oil etc. They could have just bought it. It would have been cheaper. Created £Trillions of debt. Created more poverty. The UK the most unequal,place in the world. One of the most indebted.

Allowed £Billions of tax evasion and wasted public money on total financial fraud. They are despicable. Most of them should be in jail. McTernan is unelected and speaks for no one. Certainly not Scotland’. Their behaviour is appalling. So is the BBC. Biased lying reporting in symphony. Wasting £Billions of taxpayers money trying to deceiving the public. They ruin the world economy. Gie’s peace. No one needs or reads the BBC lies. Under Westminster control. Total propaganda..

It will not be the NHS that is gone. It will be the Tories. They are in complete disarray. They are making a complete and utter mess of the economy. A shambles. Never has there been such a shambles. Unfortunately there has been some. It is the unionist way. The Westminster unionists pycho bastards. Their own description.

Sycophants. They sython off public money like there is no tomorrow on grotesque projects of no value. Lining their own pockets. Then cut taxes for the wealthiest. Many of whom would like to pay more. They want to pay their share. They have cut funding for NHS/Education and essential services. To ruin the world economy. To make themselves multimillionaires they ruin the whole economy. Enough is never enough for some people. They illegally kill and starve vulnerable people. Most of them should be in jail. Lying crooks. They are a complete and utter disgrace.

Roll on the next IndyRef soon, which will be won, Scotland will become a better, more equal, fair, happy and prosperous country. Independence in Europe. Like all the other prosperous countries.

Thank goodness for the SNP standing up for Scotland. Scotland has never had such good governance. Ever in it’s history. Just vote SNP/SNP vote for Independence.

Rev Stu. Know you are busy. Busy day still some celebrations. Please get rid of the troll cluttering up the website. Trying to ruin it. Bloody nuisance. To protect it. People will get fed up of it. Thanks.

That eejit of a man is so hollow, if you hit him with hammers, Rev Stuart, he would ring riing riiing. Sic a whiny wee gobshite! There were parts of that wee spectacle that required slowing down, the faux offence taking was so high frequency. He still thinks people actually believe him.

@yesindyref2
Well said. I would also add an item about banking and accounting practices to any Scottish constitution. The austerity drive by the Torres and later Gordon brown handed huge powers over to the city. Since then money has been created by banks mainly to pump up the prices of existing assets e.g. Housing. All this money is created of course at a charge of compound interest.
Once the housing bubble was all but done, the next pathway for artificial debt based growth was the student loan racket.
We need financial reforms and regulators, auditors as well as bankers going to prison. I think it was moodies (might be wrong) who just before the financial crisis, gave the American banks triple A status whilst labelling Japan with junk status (the japs of course shrugged their shoulders knowing that the ratings agencies are just neoliberal actors).

Right now we need to educate people about the economy. The economy is limited by energy and resources not by double entry book keeping – the act of creating money.

Fixating in the export price of a resource misses the elephant in the room – the fact that you don’t have to import that resource.

Further to some of the comments above re the Media and Broadcasters in Scotland here’s a snapshot of the Daily Express in ENGLAND
FRONT PAGE Headline:

……………………”NHS WARNING:…………………….
………………….ICY BLAST CAN KILL”…………………..
That is a health warning for the readers in England.

The Daily Express in Scotland has politics in mind on it’s FRONT PAGE Headline:

……………….”ANOTHER FINE MESS…………………..
………….SNP’s no-jail plan is ‘madness'”………….

Richard Desmond who lives in Hampstead London is the owner of Express Newspapers.

“Political alignment:
Hard Euroscepticism
Right-wing populism
Conservative” [WIKIPEDIA].

My colours nailed – anti separatist whether within UK or EU. So not in tune with many here but expecting some semblance of rational debate in a moderated forum. Not so – just empty invective. McTernan advances a case for a second Brexit ref because the voters in the first could not know what they voted for. That is surely a respectable case. If I pick up the tones correctly he has argued that you can’t apply the same rationale to indyref2 and for that is labelled a hypocrite. I think he is being entirely consistent. The vote for change should always have been seen as in 2 parts – principle and actual. If indyref 1 had been about the principle of independence it would surely have been won by Yes. Then the real,later, referendum would have been on the fleshed out proposition with borders, currency, asset and debt division etc in specific form. That decision would then have been real and beyond correction for many decades. As it was the decision was presented by all parties as a make or break i.e. in-principle one and the result was clear meaning we have not advanced to a fleshed out proposal. That is why indyref2 and Brexit2 are entirely different beasts.