The death wish
So we’ve just heard some news hot from the SNP’s controversial special NEC meeting which took place this afternoon.
We don’t yet know what happened regarding the supposed definition of transphobia – our source thinks that it may have been postponed due to not being able to get the required 2/3 vote for an emergency agenda item.
But we know that something even madder DID happen.
The meeting debated a proposal whereby the SNP’s eight regional lists for the May election would all have either a BAME candidate or a disabled candidate placed in the top spot – four regions getting a BAME person, four getting a disabled one.
Numerous figures from the party’s hyper-intolerant woke wing have been suddenly announcing newly-declared disabilities in preparation, including celebrated women’s toilet enthusiast Josh Mennie, because since November’s NEC election they’ve known that they wouldn’t have a hope of coming top in a fair fight.
Ultra-woke transactivist Emma Harper is also thought to be planning to contest the top spot in South Scotland (allocated to disabled candidates) on the basis of her diabetes, in a fairly transparent attempt to oust feminist MSP Joan McAlpine. We also expect another superwoke transactivist, Emma Roddick – recently seen planning for a retrospective witch-hunt against ex-party “TERFs” – to try for the Highlands & Islands list, where there’s a realistic chance of the SNP getting one seat, on the grounds of [EDIT 10.50pm: borderline personality disorder].
Disabled status will be by self-identification with no checks being carried out, and will include conditions like asthma and depression and probably gluten intolerance. We don’t yet know if any of the Twitler Youth have decided to identify as black.
This was a much-disputed plan, because many members believed it would be plainly illegal under equalities law, so the party commissioned a QC to offer expert legal advice. That advice has been leaked to Wings and we publish it below.
To save you reading all of it, however, we’ll give you the summary: counsel thought the proposal would be likely to be found unlawful were it to be challenged in court. Any case brought by a person disadvantaged by the rule would probably succeed, and cost the SNP tens of thousands of pounds in legal expenses.
National Secretary Stewart Stevenson presented this advice to the chairperson of the meeting, the SNP’s Business Convener Kirsten Oswald.
In any normal circumstances, for ANY sort of organisation, a chair would accept this advice and decline to put the proposal to the committee. Oswald did not, however, and proceeded to a vote.
Three members announced conflicts of interest. One was noted toxic bonehead Fiona Robertson, who is not actually a member of the NEC but was present as substitute for a representative from Out For Independence who’d been unable to attend. (Robertson lives with a man but identifies as “queer” on unknown grounds, possibly green hair.)
Robertson declared that she intended to seek the top spot on the North-East list as a disabled candidate, but did NOT recuse herself from the vote.
Then Graham Campbell, a councillor from Glasgow, declared that he also intended to stand on either the Glasgow or Lothian lists, both of which were to have their top spots reserved for BAME candidates under the proposal.
Campbell (pictured above with his partner, SNP MP Anne McLaughlin) also did NOT recuse himself from the vote despite this conflict of interest.
A third candidate, Greg McCarra from the Association of Nationalist Councillors (who is neither disabled nor BAME) also declared he was seeking nomination, but McCarra DID recuse himself from the vote, as Robertson and Campbell should have done in any normally-functioning organisation with even a modicum of self-respect.
Robertson and Campbell duly voted for the proposal, and the vote was a tie.
Kirsten Oswald – who now has the power to decide on all voting procedure since the changes to NEC standing orders that we revealed earlier this week – gave herself the casting vote, and passed the motion, against the legal advice.
(And also against near-universal standard practice whereby in the event of a tie the chair or presiding officer always casts their vote for the status quo.)
So the SNP has just decided to push ahead with a proposal it’s been told by a QC is likely illegal, and which any potential candidate discriminated against by the rule will be able to challenge, tying the party up in expensive court proceedings in the approach to an election – proceedings which it would almost certainly lose, wasting a huge sum of money and throwing ALL of its lists into complete chaos.
Any disabled candidates unfortunate enough to live in regions earmarked for BAME candidates would find themselves with effectively no chance of election – since there are no real prospects of the SNP getting more than one list MSP anywhere but South Scotland – and ditto for BAME candidates in the “disabled” regions. (To say nothing of candidates with the rotten bad luck to be white and healthy.)
In normal circumstances it would defy belief that a party would act in such an obviously stupid and reckless manner, risking catastrophic publicity and ill-affordable expense over a list vote in which polls suggest it’ll do well to get even two seats nationwide.
But sadly, such is the current state of the SNP that we suspect readers will barely even raise an eyebrow in surprise.
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[EDIT 6.30pm: the wokies are FURIOUS that their activities have been revealed to the ordinary membership. Apparently the democratic results of the NEC elections must be overturned. The ideologically unclean must be purged!]
BONUS FUN FACT! Individual minutes is how they did it at the Wannsee Conference.
You’re right
Neither eyebrow raised
Bampots
I move that there should be a mandatory IQ test for prospective NEC candidates.
What a bloody mess. A bunch of absolute idiots.
The next thing will be voters being attacked for giving e.g. the ISP their list vote, and therefore proving to the wokes that they are reactionary racists because they didn’t vote for the BAME or disabled SNP candidate.
Rhiannon will be applying for a disabled badge as we speak.
And my branch of the SNP is having a ‘Both Votes SNP’ presentation next week. Words fail me.
Jeezo – SNP MSPs you have got to defend this in May……or lose your seats.
There’s no point voting SNP on list anyway, your vote gets divided by a large number (7,8,9,10) before it gets counted, better to vote for some other party and it will likely be counted 100%.
Has anyone with very blue hair ever been elected to HR anyway?
I’m furious with this crap – I rejoined the SNP (resigned over Cherrygate) to help oust the woke from SNP’s NEC – seems we failed after all ?
Time to resign, again? Fed up with this shit.
I suppose if she survives until May and gets hammered in the election, she can pretend it was because she was progressive to a fault rather than face the truth – that she is responsible for the most unhinged political act in Scottish history.
See how corruption bleeds through an organisation once it has been embraced by the leader.
For the first time I am starting to think that the party as a whole is beyond salvaging.
It’s really through the looking glass stuff now…..silly ,stupid people.
If you haven’t done so, do please read the legal advice: it is a wonder to behold!
That’s a lot of expensive legal advice only to go and ignore it and risk more court action. Anyone would think they had lots of money to squander.
And what about Chris McEleny’s explanation that this entire farce is contrary to constitutional rules and Standing Orders?
Great news for the ISP.
I also hear a rumour that Joanna Cherry is to be sent for ‘diversity training’…. any verification available?
Shameless troughers. This is turning into the embarrassment of the century.
A bit odd that a party striving to push more diversity in its msps would take those who would be candidates under that tag and have them scrap it out in the list vote (where SNP are likely, as said, to get 2 seats max) instead of pushing them in the constituency vote?
More of that words not action stuff again, init?
This is hilarious
The whole point of this scam is to remove Joan McAlpine from the top of the list in the South Scotland region. Apparently Emma Harper will be able to boost herself to the top of the list by self-identifying as disabled as she has diabetes.
That’s the same Emma Harper who She’s a nurse by the way. Obviously a thick one who doesn’t know anything about biology – she once made a speech in Parliament on International Women’s Day that centred transwomen. Shame on her if she proceeds with this anti-democratic charade.
The SNP are getting more and more Trumpian by the day, by-passing democracy with illegal scams to get chosen candidates installed at the expense of the ones the membership actually vote for. And any candidates who participate are just as bad as Trump.
The SNP have truly ‘lost the plot’ ! …seems we have a mountain to climb.. come on let’s get going!
If ever a political party was crying out for leadership
and a working chief executive
It has to be the SNP.
It’s looking more like the name of the game is to cause economic vandalism to both the SNP and the Scottish Government.
it would be funny if it wasn’t so serious.
positive discrimination is still discrimination.
how utterly absurd.
This may look a pointless change. However it is a carefully crafted and targeted attack on Joan McAlpine. That removes her from the chess board.
Writing my resignation letter at the moment (23yrars an activist).
From what I am told much worse is to come out.
Grenades hurled over both padded shoulders, exit left. (In cuffs, into a Serco meat transporter)
Late dinner it is then, you could have warned us there might be distressing images Stu!
Does ‘special needs’ trump all?
Judging from the above…
I might be mistaken however I think this might backfire on the zealots.Those that voted in favour including the Chair may have broken their own party rules and be in breach resulting in suspension and disciplinary action for knowingly voting for an illegal procedure that could bring the party into disrepute.I wouldn’t be in too much of a,rush to condemn the Party Secretary he may have just given them all enough rope to hang themselves. .
The SNP are now a delinquent organization. Couldn’t govern Scotland in a million years.
Any links to your Trumpian claims clandonald.Please explain your reasoning for me.
kind regards
FDR, a disabled candidate, and Obama, a BAME candidate, both managed to secure the Democratic nomination for US President without Kirsten Oswald’s help.
Let’s hope all ISP and other Independence parties get the 2nd vote. TBH if not might be forced to vote for Murdo Frasers slot. Nah probs the Greens if no ISP in Tayside. They don’t give up do they? Time they and Nicola were gone,given lots of us voted in new mainstream candidates to NEC I don’t get how this nonsense happened.
Words actually fucking fail.
This mob are beyond saving.
WTF!
That is Grade A bonkers
Fucking tourette’s syndrome ?fooorfuùuckksssßsake .
Great debater he’ll be .Suppose it’ll put him in same category with the skills of James Kelly and Oliver Mundell.
This could of course lead to a whole election being voided and the Yoons declaring that the Scottish party with the most seats couldn’t even organise a legal election . So someone had best get it sorted and very quickly
Fiona Robertson is a gype who shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near real politics.
At least the SNP can save on transport costs and just buy a clown car.
Possible challenges by illegally passed over candidates resulting in expensive court cases.
Any truth in the rumour that Scottish lawyers have started referring to the SNP as The Goldmine?
It looks like assisted suicide by the NEC.
Can’t wait for King Eck a week on Tuesday.Stu can we have the link to enable us to watch the drama unfold.
Great of you to uncover such shenanigans….keep it up !!!!
It’s over.What a tragic betrayal of the dream.
Ignore legal advice? There’s history there.
Feather own nest. Yep.
Try to get as many Woke around you as possible? Seems so.
I can see several trans developing disorders to order as I write
Whatever happened to selecting the best candidate based on experience, local knowledge, debating skills etc?
Gender, sexual preference, ethnicity, disability status, age, race, religious belief and whatever else should not be a hinderance to selection, but most certainly not be used as part of the criteria.
If you are standing for election to political office, you are there to represent every single one of your constituents, with the aim to improve their lives, protect them, speak up for them and uphold the integrity of the Scottish Parliament while being a global ambassador for your country.
Everything else is secondary.
With regards to the SNP/Scottish government, its now just one disastrous story after another, the party’s now become a spectacle for those taking bets on what will happen next. Factional infighting, and terrible leadership has seen the party drift away from what it was formed for, to bring independence for the people of Scotland.
Unless something significant happens soon, and someone with grit grabs the party by the scruff of the neck and gets it back on track, then I’d imagine the SNP are going to lose a shitload of seats come May’s election-maybe that’s the plan anyway.
If you have a good SNP MSP please support them. I will be still voting for mine. However my 2nd. Vote will be ISP.
Scottish Independence is still my driver and the Greens are even worse than the SNP when it comes to Science denial.
Let’s get behind the “good guys” be they ISP or SNP. ONLY the good guys.
Stu,
A profound apology. I left Wings thinking you were wrong. From what I have heard today you may well have underestimated the corruption – sorry.
Every time it looks as if some sanity is returning to the party, Sturgeon and her band of nutters come up with some new madness. Can anyone argue now that she isn’t deliberately sabotaging the SNP? Either that or she has completely flipped.
FFS.
List vote definitely ISP. These crazies and nut jobs should not be anywhere near the SNP.
So are the SNP now actually saying you can self id as literally anything now?
If so I’m a billionaire Queen of Scots, I therefore own Scotland & I’m getting the Sheriff in to evict the wokus dei from my glorious lands.
I can’t help but wonder if the SNP are using all this controversy to lose a few constituency seats just to obtain a few extra lists seats. This would allow them to sneak in a few undesirables from the clique that were soundly rejected for constituency seats.
kapelmeister says:
31 January, 2021 at 5:49 pm
Any truth in the rumour that Scottish lawyers have started referring to the SNP as The Goldmine?
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Aye, but where is all the gold coming from?
To give the SNP their due, this is the first piece of news in months that makes me more likely to vote for them in the constituency – just to make sure the list candidate doesn’t get in.
I actually AM disabled and I’ve got the wheelchair and the badge, and the PIP to prove it.
If these charlatans are permitted to get nominated because of ingrown toenails etc,I will be forced into #SNPLeftMe.
Things are going from bad to worse. The SNP, if there are any sane members left, need to bring down the leadership.
A new Independence Party is now needed one which has a constitution banning madness and outrageous conduct.
ISP may do the job I don’t know much about it I may join.
@Geoff Anderson,
Welcome back Geoff. Healing takes time.
John H – Those lawyers preferred by John Swinney have a golden ticket on the Edinburgh Trams Inquiry….£12m and counting….
I cannot help but see the SNP has become what used to be called by the press of the time ‘the Loony Left’.
No policy was too woke not to be considered and the press duly tore them apart week after week, making Labour unelectable for a generation.
That QC’s advice would have cost the SNP somewhere around £5k.
When a QC tells you something is probably contrary to law. You take the advice you paid for.
I don’t recognise the party these days. Glad I resigned.
Once we get Indy (yes I know) – the SNP will implode and most of these lunatics will find themselves munching lentils in some unelectable fringe party.
Grouser says:
31 January, 2021 at 5:16 pm
And my branch of the SNP is having a ‘Both Votes SNP’ presentation next week. Words fail me.
I attended the same briefing last week at my branch, it was a complete farce. Your time would be better spent watching paint dry.
This is really scary stuff. These people are not fit to run raffle, let alone an executive committee of Scotlands governing party. This is what happens when a leader allows herself to be surrounded by single agenda people. Although I am not surprised that SNP continue with this, it will keep going until the people decide enough is enough. Or a Court brings their corruption to a head. Perhaps they can use the Indy fund, to fund the legal bills. Oh, they already have. There is only one group of people blocking Indy, and that’s SNP.
Just when you thought it couldn’t get any more bizarre, the SNP decide to shoot their other foot off!
Remember when the Labour Party were imploding many years ago with this sort of garbage? The SNP have now proved that they have fully adopted the mantle they took over in 2007 with a party split between careerists and entryism – all of whom have forgotten what they were supposed to be fighting for.
The list candidates would have no chance as long as one or more constituency candidate doesn’t have a skeleton placed in their closet waiting to be found after it’s too late to replace them.
The interesting question is what the implications in D’Hondt terms would be if a candidate was expelled by their party but still managed to get elected.
Nonetheless the choice becomes vote SNP at constituency and woke free indy (not SNP or Green) on the list. Especially if the candidate has been outright suspended rather than accusations raised.
Rev “But sadly, such is the current state of the SNP that we suspect readers will barely even raise an eyebrow in surprise”.
Been here most days over the last couple of months and on and off since 2013 ish . Yesterday I went walk about and visited a few others, Grousebeater , AUOB ,Spider principal etc Please excuse my language when I say after reading some of the comments about various articles we are truly fucked. I feel as deflated and gutted now as I did in 2014. I still can’t believe I was taken in by that self serving bitch for all those years.
Apparently you’ve upset Mhairi Hunter.
Good work Stu keep it up.
Just watch the Highlands. The woke princess of the Highlands, Emma Roddick will no doubt be trying hard to find herself a disability. No way you could give someone as useless who was involved with the sleeleazy Richard Laird a vote. The only person deserving that spot is Laura Mitchell who would be a fantastic MSP. I will be ripping up my membership if ER gets top spot.
Rev “But sadly, such is the current state of the SNP that we suspect readers will barely even raise an eyebrow in surprise”.
Been here most days over the last couple of months and on and off since 2013 ish . Yesterday I went walk about and visited a few others, Grousebeater , AUOB ,Spider principal etc Please excuse my language when I say after reading some of the comments about various articles we are truly fucked. I feel as deflated and gutted now as I did in 2014. I still can’t believe I was taken in by that self serving bitch for all those years.
It’s that epitome of oxymorons, positive discrimination, taken to it’s logical conclusion.
Did the whirling sound of wheeshting just go a wee bit quieter?
How stupid ?
How hard do have to work
to convince yourself to deny a power grab, by a so destructive, so in yer face Faction?
Soon enough, the wheesht will be but murmurs of those made mad, and the few unable to get beyond denial.
“….including women’s toilet enthusiast Josh Mennie”
Lolz. It’s quips like this that keep me smiling in these crappy times.
That’s some coincidence, him stating to the nation he has Tourettes, what timing. What coincidence…
What a bunch they are. They make the Greens look like a viable voting option for the future.
@McHaggis69 says:
31 January, 2021 at 6:11 pm
“I cannot help but see the SNP has become what used to be called by the press of the time ‘the Loony Left’.”
Locked in a supermarket, they would starve to death.
In May it’s Yoons v Loons. May the best nutjob win.
Alain Mack says:
31 January, 2021 at 5:52 pm
Stu can we have the link to enable us to watch the drama unfold.
Great of you to uncover such shenanigans….keep it up !!!!
link to scottishparliament.tv
That pretty much guarantees there will be whole load of list votes going spare. We really need either the ISP to get some bigger names to join or have a new party form quickly led by Salmond or Cherry.
Failing that any news on a Wings party?
My understanding is that the members are supposed to get a vote for the candidates who are standing for the lists and it’s how the members vote will be where they’ll be placed on the list as a an electronic ballot vote for the candidates is due to be sent out to the members on 15th February and postal votes sent out to members who are not on the email system .
The ballot will then close on 1st March and candidates announced as soon as possible after that date .
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So the NEC are just re-writing the rules to suit the party hierarchy and are trying now to get in the candidates who failed selection for the constituency seats by the members .
“Let’s get behind the “good guys” ”
Who are the good guys among those opting for an SNP MSP seat?
How many of those spoke up against the deliberate blocking of Joanna Cherry so British state puppet Robertson could access the seat?
How many of those spoke up against Swinney for denying crucial evidence to reach the committee and the public?
How many of those spoke against Sturgeon crushing our indyref mandate and denying us our right to self determination?
How many of those spoke against Sturgeon’s pandering to the transgender woowoo while alienating half of the population?
How many of those spoke against the disgusting stitch up of Mr Salmond and the enormous waste of taxpayers’ money in both the civil and the criminal case?
How many of those spoke against the stitch up of Mr Hirst and Mr Murray?
Bar a few murmurs, I heard nothing. Just tumbleweed.
You reap what you sow.
The writing was on the wall when the leadership decided people should be given positions based on gender rather than ability.
As someone said upthread ” this is hilarious ” .There’s no other reasonable response to this baroque lunacy than laughter .
I got my tonsils out when I was about 6 , think I might apply for a disabled-allocated seat . The crippling , emotional scarring I’ve had to suffer all my life from a lack of tonsils defies belief .
Literally
Divvying up the shrinking kingdom between themselves, eh? “Say it once, and say it loud: I’m black and I’m proud!” – The Commitments.
Lunatics have taken over the asylum , they will be lucky to get my first vote now.
Forty years of activism down the pan.
If tourettes and diabetes count as disabilities then so must myopia and having false teeth
Checkmate. I’m in NE Scotland and I have asthma and I’m BOTH Gluten AND Lactose intolerant. The latter is even genetic in basis and lifelong.
My ex wife buys me a supermarket shop once a month b/c I’m on UC and it’s expensive to be me. I wonder if I can register as disabled and get the state to pay for it then?
At assessments I can not take my meds, be a bit late have to run and eat gluten and lactose the night before and fart the place down and have to make an urgent run to the toilet. That should do it.
/Snark
They still haven’t give us a view on what ‘transphobia’ is….other than a call for Joanna Cherry to be re-educated…Ohhhherrrrr
As members of the NEC were not notified of this snap meeting other than on Social Media…one has to question it’s legitimacy. They wanted a quorum only of those who would agree, not those who might question their points.
Fairliered says:
31 January, 2021 at 5:14 pm
The next thing will be voters being attacked for giving e.g. the ISP. Watch out on sm posts like CheekyFace and twitsrus..it’s been happening for a while now.
Unless they suspect the SNP are going to fall short on the constituency vote.
After reading g a wonderfully accurate and well written piece from barheadboy, and seeing the way the SNP are going, we have to get rid of this toxic leadership ASAP!
Is there no other MSzos or MPs who are prepared to speak out??
There must be a way of loosening the strangle hold that wee toxic bitch has on the party.
Like do many I feel powerless as I watch my nations sovereignty being flushed down the toilet.
If there is a plan of action to do the right thing, I’m in!!
Meant MSPs in last post
@Mia – There are whistleblowers, a number of them from what I understand. All though are civil-service employees based at St Andrews House.
There’s an ethical code that all civil-servants agree to and number-one duty is not to mislead the public.
Amusingly enough, it also applies to Sturgeon and Swinney.
This vote followed the NEC elections and with the new members in place. The hope that they could make a difference has taken a major hit.
The hope that changing the leader will make a difference, likewise.
They run it now.
And I nearly forgot. I have unusually loose joints, another genetic thing. I’ve had to have a joint fused in each hand. This limits the jobs i can apply for. I have the scars on my hands to prove it. Including where the wire holding it all together while bones fused came out between thumb and forefinger.
Having those removed, sans painkillers, were quite possibly the worst experience of my life. A junior doc advances on you with pliers, ordinary pliers, grasps the looped end and twists to loosen it, then yanks it out. I went into shock and had to put my head between my knees and breathe lots to get my blood pressure back up.
Can we expel mhairi hunter, josh mennie and gavin williamson for b ringing the party into disrepute ?
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Kirsten Oswald should also be expelled for this dereliction of duty.
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We either fight them or we lose our party.
So the wokerati scumbags are happy to take the seats allocated for real disabled candidates using these joke disabilities… wow. There really are no depths to which they won’t sink are there.
It just goes to show how shallow and superficial and selfish their ‘ideology’ is. And all without the tiniest grain of self awareness at just how thick and repulsive they appear.
Clambering over the top of people with actual disabilities to shoe horn themselves into seats in their place. Fuck me, absolute vermin.
The Equality Act 2010 (‘the Act’) and Disability Discrimination Act 1995 (‘DDA’) define a disabled person:
‘A person has a disability if:
They have a physical or mental impairment, and
the impairment has a substantial and long-term adverse effect on the person’s ability to carry out normal day-to-day activities.’
`Tourette’s syndrome is not listed in the Social Security Administration’s Blue Book (the guide used to help SSA representatives determine whether a person qualifies for disability based on their condition)`
not sayin it shouldn`t be listed as a disability but as of now (?) it isn`t.
@Muscleguy,
That last bit must have looked a bit iffy.
Over on WGD when I looked in earlier, none of this is happening.
Sorry to keep going-on about this but it will be important news this week to any MSP of any party who is not asleep in their chair. The UK has vaccinated over 1m people in the last 2-days. Scotland has vaccinated 50,000.
What does that mean….the pandemic ends in England by early summer. In Scotland it goes on until Autumn.
If they are looking for any excuse to close Holyrood, this may be what they have been waiting for.
The Aberdeen Mass Vaccination facility is opening tomorrow, but they are looking for volunteers to administer the jags.
Comedy gold Stu. I would urge everyone to read the legal advice, which is wonderfully acerbic.
When Lord Keen resigned as Advocate General in September over the Brexit legislation Jonathan Mitchell QC commented:
“It is the classic lawyer’s problem, you have a client who just won’t accept what you say.”
He’s probably feeling a bit of that himself with the SNP.
Well this sounds like Nicola has totally lost control
How can this be challenged
I have no idea what is going on anymore with the SNP.
Thank goodness for you Stu for shining a light into these very dark corners.
So my vote in May will most likely be a sole list vote for the ISP. Ho hum.
@JohnH,
Its the monster under the bed syndrome. Parents tell you to shut your eyes and it will go away. You can’t see it ,it cant eat you.
You’ve hurt your finger? Puir wee man!
Your pinkie? Deary me!
Noo juist you haud it that wey
An you’re #1 for the SNP.
PQ burning?
Their spin machines have probably overheated again.
Charlie is sweeping into Saigon, the embassy gates are being closed, collaborators pleading special case over the barricades, files destroyed en masse and the humming of media helicopters…
“shug says:
31 January, 2021 at 6:41 pm
Well this sounds like Nicola has totally lost control”
probably the very opposite Shug.
… at least one member was disgruntled enough to leak the actual legal advice so theres some hope people remain who see the danger.
Geoff Anderson says:
31 January, 2021 at 5:36 pm
“This may look a pointless change. However it is a carefully crafted and targeted attack on Joan McAlpine. That removes her from the chess board.
Writing my resignation letter at the moment (23yrars an activist).
From what I am told much worse is to come out.”
Ooh, what – don’t keep us in suspense! I wouldn’t even hazard a guess as to what comes out next. You couldn’t make it up!
I binned my membership a while back. I felt taken in and rather foolish having paid so much and donated over the years. I no longer recognised the party and what it was pushing for – not Indy, certainly. The aggressive youth wing that appeared from nowhere when gender was first being discussed. Their opinion and validation was required as a pre-req or you were deemed to be transphobic – by fellow party members. This wasn’t a party I wanted to be part off. Not a good feeing.
I doubt I will be alone in casting one single vote in May and it being for the ISP.
Who in their right mind would vote for these clowns.
They could give Boris a run for his money.
Monty Python missed a classic when they missed this latest SNP nonsense. Its right up there . I cant stop laughing.
Presiding over this nonsense is_?______Drum roll_____
I wonder how much Mr Mitchell charged for this advice?
“All though are civil-service employees based at St Andrews House”
Commendable, encouraging and brave as the speaking up of those civil service employees is, they are not the people the electoral commission expect us to choose from.
What I meant is how many “good guys” among the SNP MSPs are prepared to stand up to a corrupt boss, her deputy, her Lord Advocate, her puppet and a political lobby that is destroying the democratic structures of their party, in order to fulfil their duty of acting in the interests of the constituents they represent?
Is there any at all?
At this moment in time we don’t even know if any of those unscrupulous individuals who lied under oath in the criminal case against Mr Salmond are entering the elections as potential MSP candidates.
How can we be expected to cast an informed vote when we are being denied the information that would allow us to do so?
Rhiannon has asked a Rastafarian family to adopt her
and cripple her legs.
Nicola says Yah Man- We is Jammin’.
If we tried to think up the most idiotic ideas that could lose
SNP a massive number of votes we wouldn’t have dreamed
of the mind numbing stupidity the party has come up with.
Should 2 white men with great intellect and the potential to be
world leaders wish to stand for office they must be rejected because
another walks with a stick or has a deeper skin tone?
I take my hat off to the people who plotted the death of the SNP party.
I didn’t think it could fall so far so quickly.
No stake pie at the funeral as it may upset vegetarians.
No black tie as it is racist.
No flowers as it’s unfair to plants
No hearse as they pollute the atmosphere.
No bloody clue what they are doing.
Mhairi Hunter: People have been elected who really shouldn’t have been.
You’re so close to getting it, Mhairi, so close.
Rumour has it three Oompah Loompahs have applied for Central region and been approved by Nicola.
They told her they were experts in fudging things.
I want to say something like ‘away, yer pulling ma leg’ as I cannot believe what I’m reading here.
It’s like the SNP asylum has been totally taken over by the lunatics!
Fire at BBC Scotland HQ!!
A BBC Spokesperson stated “No one was injured in the incident and investigations into what happened are continuing. We apologise to our Radio Scotland listener for the brief interruption to his programme”.
Heart-sick. This appears to be a deliberate attempt to destroy the SNP.
I don’t want to be associated with these people.
I’ve had enough. Big decision. I am no longer a member.
BUT I DO WANT INDEPENDENCE so will vote accordingly.
@Mia – Brian Wilson is one of those who refers to St Andrews House informants. There are no MSP’s or MP’s volunteering information or voicing disagreement with the actions of the party and Crown Office.
He is a sensible guy and he refers to a constant stream of information coming from that source.
Reminds me very much of Watergate….only this is much more serious.
@Jan Cowan,
Welcome to the outside shouting in crowd. Its liberating.
lars von trier’s “the idiots” seems prophetic (Plot : A group of normal adults spend their time seeking their “inner idiot” to release their inhibitions. They do so by behaving in public as if they were r4tarded.) : “spazzing” your way to success
every teenager these days has, at least – OCD, anxiety, autism spectrum (aspbergers), bulimia, etc – so they’ll be okay
I think it would be a great day for mankind, when the first openly tourettes-suffering politician wins office
BAME or Disabled?? – what? – why not both? The latest edge of woke think is giving us both – “blackness as a disability”
link to go.gale.com
there is a BAME woman in Paisley with leprosy – what a career she could have; sign her up
link to thescottishsun.co.uk
That Mhairi Hunter tells jokes apparently ?
Maybe she could explain that joke of a charade that just happened?
What a **cking insult. I had to fight every year to get help for my two autistic sons. My husband who cannot walk after a stroke – similar fight. If the SNP think that self ID for disability is so legal and easy they can take a hike. They have no shame.
Why exactly do we even have List MSPs?
Must be the easiest gig in the world
You’ll all have heard of the term “village idiot”.
I think the SNP have cornered the global market.
Have they started the “if you believe in BLM and rights for the disabled you have to give both votes to the SNP” yet?
Didn’t realise that Emma Harper was one of the Wokerati. Always thought she was a sesible and decent person. If this is an attempt to get Joan Macalpine out, I will be extremely angry. Will be messaging Emma directtly to find out her views. This distortion of members’ views is not acceptable. I am an SNP member but the actions of the woke folk are disenfranchising me and others. What do we do? We have nowhere else to go. We need our party back and pronto.
Side issue, do you mean Emma Hendrie rather than Emma Harper? Emma Harper is already an MSP and doesn’t strike me as particularly wokey??? Could be wrong though!
Add The Sunday Post to the paper covering the Alex Salmond stitch-up.
The only other Scottish paper, I believe, is The Scotsman who let Brian Wilson loose for a half-page.
In term of UK Media, there’s Sky News, The Times and The Daily Telegraph.
Andrew Neil has talked a good game so far, but produced nothing.
I’ve no doubt those people are insane, they’d be better put up for psychiatric evaluation rather than candidate selection.
As for the party in general it’s well down the toilet, not only that but today it’s going for the worst of the worst toilets in Scotland…tomorrow the world.
If this gets implemented for the Regional Lists, then some incumbent non-BAME or able-bodied Constituency MSPs in marginal areas may be toast, should they fall short of retaining their Constituency and not be placed 1st on Regional List as a safety net.
The way several high profile SNP MSPs have performed, and behaved recently certainly creates a situation where tactical voting to get rid of them is a real possibility.
@Muscleguy (6.34) –
FFS, that sounds horrendous. Anything to do with fingers or toes gives me the total heebies.
Nearly passed out just reading it!
🙁
There’s an impressive form of lunacy involved in aiming to reduce discrimination on grounds of race etc. and coming up with policy and action which er …, discriminates on grounds of race etc..
So JAM lives with tourettes, i thought it was that other weirdo, leeze lawrence.
Where would my cat alergy place me in the pecking order for a list seat? Would my allergy to selfish fringe thinking cvnts hamper my political ambitions?
Slowly we begin to see clearer the monster before us. This is what we have to fight, the conundrum we have to figure.
Will someone raise a flag?
Oh wait!! We have Wings!!
Thank you Stu, thank you oh thank you.
Get these woke f/krs and their previous shenanigans named on distributed leaflets in their contested list area
one week before the may election.
says:
31 January, 2021 at 6:13 pm
The interesting question is what the implications in D’Hondt terms would be if a candidate was expelled by their party but still managed to get elected.
If I’m not mistaken its the party’s right to have the seat so the expelled candidate would need to stand down and the next on the list would get it. Reason the Tories didn’t do anything about Michelle Ballantyne when she resigned was because there was no one else on their list for that region.
Mhairi Hunter experiencing a severe pile on Twitter, including quite a few from her own party.
No surprise to see former socialist Graham Campbell want some of the Holyrood £££ jackpot bonanza. Both him and his partner’s sense of entitlement was higher than Jupiter and now interstellar!
What a total embarrassment of a party that is completely dominated by the woke culture which in itself has about 15% approval in Scotland. It’s mind boggling why SNP members continue to let this self harm continue!
In 2014 it was clear and innocent, self determination for Scotland and promote good practice of pointing out why Scotland is better to be free to make decisions in Scotland for Scotland.
Now your average voters gets to see a very scary vision of being trapped in an independent Scotland with a bunch of entitled morons! It’s not a good look for soft no voters to observe!
So I’ve just resigned from the SNP after todays NEC debacle. The party I’ve voted for for the last 28 years has disapeared up its own backside.
How on earth any chairperson can vote for an unlawful motion is beyond me. It would appear they are expecting the membership to pick up the legal costs and compensation that will now follow. Well it won’t be with my membership contribution. I hope Joan McAlpin and others take them for every penny.
Desperately need an electable pro-indy party I can get behind.
In B.A.M.E.
what covers the M.E. (minority ethnic) bit, does this cover say Polish,Spanish or Irish or even English living in Scotland.
Did you see Josh Mennie tweeted about having Tourette’s…
Just a tic mind, but still – that’s self ID disability
Telegraph revealing Roddy Dunlop QC gave Scottish government advice on 31 st October 2018 to drop renewed policy.
They declined and went ahead anyway. Sound familiar?
@Bob Mack – Nicola Sturgeon decided to go ahead anyway.
@ Linda McFarlane at 7.12: we need you to run the party and the independence campaign – you clearly don’t give up, ever.
They are definitely suffering from myopia….
Someone needs to tell the SNP that there is a very big difference between tokenism and governance.
A very, very, big difference.
Get on with the day job. Improving lives.
Demonstrate competence.
link to tns2019.org
Let’s forget this trans skitter….we’ve been talking about it for days. We need to get on a war-time footing and get these vaccinations done or we will never get out of lockdown.
1950’s ‘Put Scotland first’
1970’s ‘It’s Scotland’s oil’
1990’s ‘ Yes we can ’.
2000’s ‘ We stand for Scotland’
2005 ‘ Let’s make Scotland matter’.
2015 ‘ Stronger for Scotland’
2021 ‘ I also use female toilets all the time’.
TNS2019 – Scotgov cannot even answer a letter. They’re useless. Couldn’t run Scotland in a million years.
Sorry…but this will offend many here, but if we cannot establish and run a competent judiciary (see Whitehouse v Lord Advocate) then are we no by definition a ‘failed state’.
The separation of powers is fundamental.
Do we need external support or can we turn things round from within?
link to tns2019.org
Oh well I was going to vote SNP 1&2 in May, as I live in the Highlands and there was a fair chance of them getting a list seat. Not now, I hope the ISP will be standing on the list as I won’t vote Green…
Captain Yossarian
I agree. But what does that mean for independence.
I am embarrassed by what we have become.
This is not my Scotland.
O/T Captain Tom in hospital with Covid. Hope he recovers. Inspirational but modest, could do with more like him.
Wrong-think & wrong-speech = crimes demanding of re-education, unpersons declared,conspiracies & stitch-ups orchestrated, history re-written, Inner Party favourites allowed to self-id whenever expedient, loyal media rewarded with £££, “hostile” media attacked & proscribed, members’ donations disappeared without trace, constitution & Standing Orders shredded.
What more has to happen before at least some MPs and MSPs exhibit a scrap of moral fibre and disown this deranged self-destruction? Are they all just looking the other way?
Alibi says:
31 January, 2021 at 7:17 pm
Didn’t realise that Emma Harper was one of the Wokerati.
Don’t you mean Emma Roddick ?
TNS2019 – excellent link. I like it and I wish you well. Swinney and his paid-up team at Education Scotland, the legal profession and the Teaching Unions are a difficult opponent.
Education Scotland just lie and Swinney, the Teaching Unions and the legal profession just accept that.
There’s more than one case like this you know. If only the teachers knew what a dreadful union they have.
Any honest and moral SNP MSPs left (in spite of the fact they should have spoken out sooner) should be standing as independents for there seats ,this way they can on mass explain why the SNP does not deserve any ones vote
laukat says:
So I’ve just resigned from the SNP after todays NEC debacle.
As an outsider, can I ask you and others who have said similar, why do people do this? Surely resigning is exactly what they want you to do. These people are interesting in control of the party and personally benefiting from that – if that is at the expense of the Party’s aims or even it being in power, so be it. There are still personal gains to be made in opposition.
So the last thing they want is a mass membership with any power and a desire to implement what the Party’s aims are. Far better a small one that can be restricted to the ‘right’ people and a few faithful acolytes. That’s how the Labour Party operated in Scotland for many years for example, so it ought to be a familiar pattern.
So you are hardly threatening them by giving them what they want.
My ankle starts hurting a bit if I run more than 12-14 kilometres, and furthermore I’ve got a rather dark mole on my bum which I reckon must be down to my (our) African origins. Quids in!
So cooncillor Mhairi is the new snitch finder general to root out the ("Tractor" - Ed)s in the party so we can expect several water boardings in the coming weeks. She has always reminded me of Norman Tebbit in spitting image as the enforcer for Mrs Murrel rather than Thatcher. It would be funny if it was not so bloody serious. I am beginning to wonder if the plan is to split the party so no need for Indy but the woke and the troughers will get five more years to fill their pockets.
The Judean Peoples Front in the Life of Brian made more sense than this bunch of loonies, what really pisses me off is the large sums of money that I paid to the SNP over many many years for these arseholes to somehow think they represent decent independence loving Scots. I am now an ex SNP member I will however give these twats my 1st vote in May but ISP my regional vote unless the ISP change their mind and stand for constituency seats, lets be honest voting for a dead badger would be more productive than these idiots and at least we could identify whether the badger had been a boy or girl!
@Roger Mexico,
Money!!!! That brings everybody to realisation that when you cant pay these excess staff you have to cull.
This is going the way of all extreme fundamentalist cults. If these insane extremists ever get real power it will be gulags and firing squads for the non believers and the politically incorrect. The purity of the party must be maintained.
Only two days ago this was Cameron McNeish wheeshting for Indy on Twitter and getting 3200 likes & 575 retweets:
“Getting really bored with the @theSNP
infighting. Come on guys, we need to get a referendum then win the damned thing. This isn’t the way to go. You can argue about all these incidentals once we are free. If you don’t, then the games a bogey.”
Good to see him now joining the aghast response to Ms Hunter
Some if these fucking clowns look like they are heading to a Wizzard tribute night down the legion. From everything i can see ,hear and witness these idiots bare no relationship to me or my politics.PS I’ve got a spot on my nose, think I can get on the list?
Oh fuck this shit. I used to work in a pub with a guy who thought the NHS was trying to stop him losing his virginity and sent us ten long letters per day and was eventually sectioned for it. Quite seriously, the above…batshit crazy…thing is like reading it. 100% unhinged.
It’s very telling that when Corbyn’s Labour did this, the Tory press (rightly) slaughtered them for it, but this will go un-noticed.
Rev, how about a new Wee Blue Book? This time, the Black Book of Nicola Sturgeon? Analysis of her misdeeds and her wacky ideology. If your average Scottish voter read it, they’d have a fit.
-Linda Macfarlane-
Your anger is justified- you’re worth ten times all these weirdos put together.
@Roger Mexico says:
31 January, 2021 at 8:04 pm
Never been a member of a political party, however when a member resigns that represents a loss. Primarily financial but also knowledge and experience. Add reputation to the list if the reason for the resignation is due to crackpot policies.
If the party starts to wither into opposition they lose relevance to voters. Why waste a vote?
Look what happened to Stephen Harper in Canada’s 2015 general election. They way things are going that could happen to Sturgeon in May.
Mmm, let’s see.
1. Unlawful and ultra vires policy drawn up in Scot Gov specifically to get Salmond.
2. Legally very dubious and arguably ultra vires NEC policy voted in by a corrupt whisker specifically to get McAlpine.
3. Presumably the get Cherry measure only failed because even the current NEC wouldn’t accede to whatever “give us everything and do as we say” definition of transphobia was proffered by the transcult.
I’m detecting a move away from any notion of civic nationalism towards something far more sinister in these tactics. Angus McNeil should start to worry if he notices a gay, trans, black person with a reduced number of limbs hanging about Stornoway.
You have once again slandered my son Josh Mennie. You have said he has a “newly diagnosed condition Tourettes” Yet again you have got it wrong. My son was diagnosed aged 7 yrs old. His tics started age 5. He has endured years of struggles with at times debilitating tics. If you want proof ask the schools he attended with my permission. Quarry hill and Hazelhead Academy. You are an absolute disgrace and all those who follow you are just as bad. Targeting someone who has a neurological condition which causes many struggles is despicable. How dare you. You are obsessed with Josh for some weird reason and I’m telling you now to leave him alone. I will seek legal advice on the defamation of my sons character if you print any more lies about him. I note you didn’t retract your lies about his sister after it became clear your article on her was also lies. No doubt this comment won’t appear on your blog but I’ll make sure it circulated on other forums because people need to know you are spinning them lies.
I’d say like me, members resign because you don’t get a voice for your money,
You totally disapprove with their priorities, some people in office are absolutely
barking mad or in it for themselves and the party refuses to attack the worst government
the U.K. has had in my lifetime.
Now that they have no real involvement in independence they are just another
Privileged party of troughers.
They did some very good things in the past, but that has past!
No more money, campaigning or leaflet dropping from me.
They can throw their own money at the Scotland’s legal profession.
I have been educating my other half on the reality behind the SNP façade since Alex’s court case – at first he didn’t believe me, it was like living with “the general voter who knows none of this”, especially on trans and women’s rights
The more I tried to explain it, the more he smirked and the angrier I got with him. When I started on how dodgy some of the stuff behind the investigation into Alex was, I’d get so far and he’d get fed up saying “Oh I don’t get any of that, it’s too far fetched”
When I said (several times) I was thinking of leaving the SNP he would say “Who else are you going to vote for ?”
Tonight he resigned his membership – his resignation message to the SNP (which will get the standard “Oh, cheerio then” email from Murrell) started with the reason for leaving being the party’s stance on women’s rights, then went on the the fact that most of the 2016 manifesto, particularly Land Reform, hadn’t been implemented.
Then he went on about Brexit and all the time spent on England’s woes while promises of Scotland not being dragged out of the EU were just talk and no action.
Then of course, the fact that Scotland was no nearer to independence than we were 6 years ago with no sign of a referendum
Then he clicked send – only to say “Damn it, I never mentioned the missing Indyref money”
Amazing how one thing can lead to another so quickly – he hasn’t even read this Wings article yet.
Also, if you’re the informant and you’re reading this, more power to your elbow, for what it’s worth.
Will there now be any chance that the ISP will field a candidate in the South Scotland Region?
Like I said, the SNP should be disbanded. It’s no longer a political party, it has simply become a vehicle for minority interests who if truth be told, could simply have formed their own organisations instead of being allowed to take over the SNP.
They also make a habit of ignoring legal advice.
This is down to poor leadership, pure and simple. Nothing else. Mrs. Murrell is readily taking bad advice or is being pressured to behave in a certain way.
Whichever way you look at it, the SNP is a political party in name only. Maybe the electoral commission would be interested in having a look.
“How on earth any chairperson can vote for an unlawful motion is beyond me.”
Only following orders.
@Roger Mexico
“As an outsider, can I ask you and others who have said similar, why do people do this? Surely resigning is exactly what they want you to do. These people are interesting in control of the party and personally benefiting from that – if that is at the expense of the Party’s aims or even it being in power, so be it. There are still personal gains to be made in opposition.”
Fair question and one I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about. For me when you have a NEC that will pass an lawful resolution then the chances of changing the party from within are no longer realistic.
When you add that we have a chief executive in Mr Murrell who will target party members without any sanction then there is no party its just a vehicle for the leadership to retain power.
If in anyway I thought the SNP was saveable I wouldn’t have resigned. To deliver change it requires leadership change right through the party. Unfortunately even if Sturgeon did have to resign, which I doubt, she would probably be replaced by someone such as Swinney or Robertson who would continue the same agenda.
My resignation isn’t important. However hoepfully it amongst others brings balalnce to Sturgeon’s worry about the woke leaving.
An inquisitive media would be asking why under Sturgeon the membership numbers are dropping. However in the abscence of that hoepfully the drop in membership fees from lots of resignations might curtail the leaderships excesses.
From The Twitter:
Angus B MacNeil MP
@AngusMacNeilSNP
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We can be reassured that all those who have been concerned with “wildcat” or “illegal” referendums as a Scot Parl ref was wrongly called .. will be on the lookout for any other “wildcat” behaviour and not following legal advice.
Mhairi Hunter eh?
Julie Mennie says:
31 January, 2021 at 8:18 pm
I’m sorry if your son has this disability but, with all due respect, if he needs his Mammy to stand up for him then he shouldn’t be going into politics. Nor should he be going into women’s toilets – and you should have taught him that a long time ago.
The article says the SNP will ” do well to get even two [list] seats nationwide”, so in reality what’s the issue?
In reality, the NEC result doesn’t deliver anything in terms of increased representation for minority groups.
However the article, by attempting to ridicule conditions, like diabetes, tourettes etc does nothing to educate about the social barriers experienced.
It is not that these conditions make an individual disabled, but rather the absence of accomodation, the barriers created by organisations, employers, public services, that limit or exclude those people from full participation in society.
Given the miniscule effort here by the NEC, and without portraying every ‘disabled’ SNP member as an extreme ‘woke’ loony – what exactly is the problem.
“However the article, by attempting to ridicule conditions, like diabetes, tourettes etc does nothing to educate about the social barriers experienced.”
Nobody did that, of course. My dad has diabetes.
Legal opinion is only an opinion and other legal eagles say it doesn’t get round the fact that the Equality Act 2010 which allows political parties to positively discriminate in favour of minorities.
“A third candidate, Greg McCarra from the Association of Nationalist Councillors (who is neither disabled nor BAME) also declared he was seeking nomination, but McCarra DID recuse himself from the vote, as Robertson and Campbell should have done in any normally-functioning organisation with even a modicum of self-respect”.
Why would anyone vote for candidates who have no integrity?
Also there should be a rule that only candidates who live in the Region can stand in that Region as system was meant to ensure that every area had reasonable representation at Holyrood.
Wee Chid says:
31 January, 2021 at 8:22 pm
Will there now be any chance that the ISP will field a candidate in the South Scotland Region?
Reply:
ISP has branches in every region and are vetting potential candidates to stand in every region. They need donations link to crowdfunder.co.uk
Julie Mennie @ 8.18
While we’re mums for life , I know… I don’t think we can seek legal advice for our grown up kids !
I think they have to do that all by themselves.
It will likely be pretty much the same for someone’s school records too , I’d imagine.
And while legal advice apparently can be ignored…. I don’t think the actual law can….
“I know a fat ole policeman, he’s always on our street
A fat old, jolly red-faced man, he really is a treat
He’s too fine for a policeman, he’s never known to frown
And everybody says he is the happiest man in town”
ALL TOGETHER NOW…
I don’t know why these muppets even bother to seek legal advice it’s not like they ever care to follow it!!!!! Not content with pissing off half the population with their war on women am sure the disability community will be furious that they’ve debased the meaning of disability!!!!
Jesus H. I give up. What chance do we have with these clowns in control?
Wee Chid says: at 8:22 pm
“Will there now be any chance that the ISP will field a candidate in the South Scotland Region?”
This ^^^
Earlier it was mentioned btl as a new Party finding its feet, the ISP may have restrictions in financing the selection and fielding of candidates.
How much are we talking here for two candidates per Region?
I’ve family and connections in the borders that are screaming out for someone to vote for now that the SNP appears to be emulating a jobbie circling the pan… 🙁
The Conservatives tend to win Constituencies in the area so folk appalled with the way SNP is going could at least have the option of ISP with their 2nd vote, and presume many would donate towards the costs of fielding a couple of candidates now that we see the potential SNP Regional List personnel.
FFS – this lot are making Scottish Labour appear sane, sensible and electable.
If this is a foretaste of the independent Scotland to come, I am glad I will probably be deid by the time they get around to bringing that about.
I have no wish to be governed by these people.
Lekraw @ 8.45
Now don’t be too quick to judge …. if we vote them in some will bring their mum.
Mums are great …. nae debate 🙂
@ John at 8:40 pm
Ah, cross posted. Cheers for that info John as it helps answer my post. Have been busy all weekend so hadn’t seen that link.
“BONUS FUN FACT! Individual minutes is how they did it at the Wannsee Conference.”
I’m not sure that is a fun fact Stuart, I think it is perhaps the most chilling fact of all. It highlights exactly who they are mirroring in their techniques.
Dan @ 8.45
As I understood it ( although things could have moved on ) ISP didn’t intend to field candidates where the SNP were likely to take the list seat
Joan being one of them if memory serves.
The ISP were never intended to be competitors with the SNP , only the Unionist party’s
Julie Mennie @ 8.18
With regard to your son Josh. I read the phrase ‘newly-declared disabilities’. I cannot see where your claim of “newly diagnosed condition Tourettes” is. Have I missed it or have you made a mistake?
Dan @ 8.48
Oops cross posted too ….
Whit ir we like 🙂
This is straight out of Southpark.
Mind you poor Josh does have his problems.
Same pattern. Ignore all and any legal advice/sense and steam ahead. This is Stonewall Diversity Champions’ advice to the pseudo ‘wokies’ in every situation in every organization, everywhere. At this rate, the SNP will have to pay so much dosh in lost court cases that they will disappear up their own jacksies to escape the court orders. Or, alternatively, you just redact and disappear important documents, which is another ploy of theirs. What was that winning song at the Eurovision… oh yes…Puppet on a String. Pinocchio with the strings still attached and elongating nose growing ever longer. Talk about being had. Pussy cat, pussy cat, where have you been? I’ve been to London to visit a Q***n (allegedly). He sits on his wall and pulls all our strings. He sits on his wall made of stone and such things. What he doesn’t know is that he is the fool. Like the government up here, he’s Thames Embankment’s tool.
@ Julie Mennie at 8:18 pm
Oh do be quite.
Scot Finlayson says: 31 January, 2021 at 7:37 pm
According to the below link, in the 2011 census, 2.66% of the Scottish population is Asian while only 0.5% is Black.
link to en.wikipedia.org
Even in the UK as a whole, the Asian population is far larger than the black population.
This type of politics is just a photo-copy of the American version. It doesn’t recognise that due to Scottish demographics, there should be more emphasis on Asian participation in the Scottish political scene.
It’s just another attempt at being trendy and woke.
Just read on Twatter Mhairi Hunter is a bit peeved with Rev’s info source. Going on about how much of a “clownshow” it is that someone should be “leaking” info to a “hostile journalist”. LOL!
And said with a straight face too no doubt as she failed to mention the several million pounds the SNP gave to ScotsIndy’s most hostile journalists on planet earth, The BUM rags. And there are folk out there asking what went wrong with the SNP? LOL! 🙂
TheBuchanLoony @ 8.52
Define mistake I’ve a few thoughts .
Just hearing on the grapevine that the National Secretary Stewart Stevenson attended by phone. He disallowed points of order re legality and sanctioned Oswald to vote.
The National Secretary. Let that sink in.
What does individual minutes mean I don’t want to read the Nazi stuff
So according to Mhairi Hunter, Wings is a hosted by a hostile journalist, it would appear that telling the truth, is now considered a hostile act.
“Unreal that people on the NEC are leaking to Wings. Complete clownshoe behaviour. I don’t care what faction of the party you are in. Leaking info to hostile journalists is idiotic. Wise up.”
link to twitter.com
This is what happens to cults they self implode as they are so fixated on their own self rightousness. She deserves all that is coming to get her.
Liz g
As far as I can see Stu did not say “newly diagnosed condition Tourettes”. He quite rightly did say ‘newly-declared disabilities’. These are two totally different statements. I think Julie Mennie is mistaken in what she thinks was written. If she(as she threatens) is wrongly accusing Stu on other forums then it is she that is in danger of slandering him!
Eh, implementing positive discrimination by only allowing certain groups of folk (such as disabled) to stand, effectively dis-ables others from standing…thus making them eligible.
Sensibly refreshes page before submitting…
@ Liz g
It appears we’re pure cross-posting afflicted and probably oppressed in some yet to be defined way, which will no doubt be catered for in the future with the implementation of some retrospective applied policy. 😉
I’m late to the party but couldn’t believe all the lefthanders (my fookin spell check tried to correct lefthander to neanderthal!!! 🙁 ) on here the other day. Solidarity with my fellow smudged handwriting comrades.
Is Trans Star sign a thing yet? Ain’t nobody gonnae impinge on my Saggitarianism.
Damn, I’ve just broken a fingernail. Does that count as a disability?
This is interesting. It is so deeply, blatantly, awful, unelectable and unfair. I mean if they ever look, even one or 2 over on WGD will have misgivings about this.
In all seriousness, they have legal advice that says, don’t do this, its illegal and will cost you lots of money, and they do it anyway. Well they can do it with their own money, and I’d be wondering if, those who step away now, would be able to pursue actions against them on the same type of grounds as constructive dismissal.
ISP you need to look at how SNP procedures were overtaken to allow this to happen, and write up your constitution now to prevent this happening all over again to you… anyone dragging their heals about it, may well be up to the same nonsense.
Its getting to the point that if the sensible and competent SNP officals left now, they would take with them all the credibility and most of the voters.
I rather think that if Nicla, stands on a well promoted platform with this lot, her personal poll readings are going to hit rock bottom.
All things considered, keep up the good work SNP NEC – your showing your true colours better than anyone else could.
Membership cancelled. Means I can afford to contribute to wings again
Thats it, ive had enough, im cancelling the direct debit tomorrow. Was going to wait until after the election but now they are not even getting my vote. Disgusted.
Tourettes tics generally disappear in adulthood. Often they require no medication whatsoever. ICD10 Sec94 or 95.
TheBuchanLoony @ 9.10
I knew what you ment my friend and agree.
I just thought there were other mistakes the mother made somewhere along the line 🙂
The main one being , letting everyone know that our prospective new MSP will need his mum to speak up for him is not a good look ….
yea but… both votes SNP will fix it.
Dan @ 9.10
Well Dan if our Trans Posting doesn’t include cross posting !!!
Is it even intersectional?
If not , why not ?
Do you think we’re being cancelled… 🙂
I’ve just seen this from Mhairi H – “People have been elected who really shouldn’t have been.”
Writing about the leak to Wings. That’s democracy you plonkeuse.
Scots rock band switch to supporting independence, boy are they in for a shock.
link to twitter.com
‘Yer maw sends comments intae yon Wings so she does!’
‘Naw she disny!’
‘Aye she fuckin does!’
I posted my SNP branch experience some time back – the pair of them arrived in our wee town from Glasgow, one an ex-councillor. Armed with SNP rule book knowledge, they quoted the rules and procedures to us, and they soon proposed and initiated to the membership, sub-committees, with their involvement of course.
One put themselves forward for selection as the MP candidate, failed. The other then tried for MSP candidate selection, failed. Finally one secured a councillor appointment over a rival, a 3rd generation member of our wee town. Complaints to SNP HQ that this “successful” candidate had broken party canvassing rules were ignored. Oh, and a third person also arrived – out of the blue, from Glasgow I believe, and yes, petitioned and was selected as a councillor candidate, and failed.
Do I believe that our wee town and it’s SNP branch were identified and targetted by SNP HQ? Yes do.
A lifetime of voting SNP, I’m no longer a member. You are judged by the company you keep.
What I’m reading here on Wings is no surprise to me. Trouble is that I wouldn’t wish to be an elected politician. I have posed the question to my family, all in gainful, interesting employment – not one is interested. And so the field is open to Others.
Years back I took part in motorcycle competition, and ye know, the committee members of the association didn’t compete in events, but they did jaw jaw, and instal rules.
We should consider a full-time civil service, and a part-time (conscripted?) body politic selected from the population. A kind of jury service?
Maybe a mass resignation of SNP members will make them think.
Hello ISP – that’s my donation in. My second vote is yours so long as its Plebiscite for Indy.
‘Relax Mhairi, ye’ve got an Empire biscuit’.
I hate white supremacists with a passion, obviously. And in an ideal world a national parliament should reflect the demographics of the country, so that no groups are underrepresented, and demonstrating that nothing should be off limits to anyone.
But whether people like it or not, Scotland is 96% white, according to the last census. I’m fine if BAME candidates become slightly overrepresented, good on them if enough talented ones put themselves forward. But why on earth should the candidate list be fixed so that BAME candidates become so overrepresented that it becomes much much more likely that a member of a region is represented by a BAME politician than, say, a working class one from a white background?
I’m trying not to walk on shaky ground but surely that goes against all common sense? Shouldn’t at least 90 percent of MSPs be white, considering Scotland’s demographics? Where is the equality In fixing the formula so that the majority of the population become hugely underrepresented in regional MSPs and instead it is artificially altered to show an unrealistic picture of diversity in Scotland
Well we know what the “King of the Saracens” said.
Jerusalem is lost.So is the SNP with this lots infiltration.
Nuts.
Please try and mind the language, Josh’s mum is on.
Had a quick look at his twitter link and photos there, think there must be some confusion on this one, i’m sure i read that katie price had arranged for him to be taken into care.
Oh no, Josh has sent his mammy after me again!
“I note you didn’t retract your lies about his sister after it became clear your article on her was also lies.”
When did that happen? You offered no evidence proving anything I wrote was untrue. If you ever do, I will happily correct any errors. That’s standard Wings policy at all times.
@El Gordo,
Sad bast#rd.
Ian Brotherhood @ 9.22
Mibbi she’s trying tae make up for her and they two schools no teaching him that the Ladies was for Ladies. ….
I’m guessing this new policy means that recently ‘not selcted’ candidate Saeed my cousin is Yousaf the Justice Minister, and please don’t ask about £200,000 of public money that was supposed to go towards a festival of Islam in Glasgow and was not recovered, and proper accountancy records were not kept, will now get on the list….
And funnily enough, even though the Herald wrote a story about it and referenced the fact that Audit Scotland investigated and found that the Scottish Islam Foundation had failed to keep proper accounts and record of how the money was spent, there does not appear to be any record of that on Audit Scotland’s web page anymore (they publish FOI requests).
And I can no longer find reference to the Herald story that specified Audit Scotlands report.
Funny old world.
Having said that I am increasingly disabled in this increasingly computerised world, so if others can find it, I will accept my shortcomings.
Earlier this evening I tweeted a question to indy activists, asking how much – just a ballpark figure – they’ve spent on campaigning over the years, taking into account donations, transport, childcare, time-lost at work etc.
I usually get a half-decent response to questioning tweets of that kind, but very very quiet since that one…
It’s properly maddening, when you think about it.
God only knows what the ‘total’ must be, even since indyref1. I couldn’t even hazard a guess with any confidence.
James says:
31 January, 2021 at 9:23 pm
Maybe a mass resignation of SNP members will make them think.
No, that has already been happening and they’ve been hiding the figures.
Mass funding of the ISP… now that will make them think;)
Oh God. I’ve just remembered one time my I asked my Mum to send me the phone number of an employer I had an interview with as they were supposed to contact me with details of a presentation but hadn’t. Instead of sending the number to me she phoned them on my behalf. Fucking hell that was embarrassing.
Daisy Walker @ 9.37
Agreed mass funding and mass membership of the new ISP party would be quite a message .
And something practical to do rather than sit and fizz.
“What does individual minutes mean I don’t want to read the Nazi stuff”
It means every copy of the Wannsee Conference minutes was numbered so if any leaked they’d know whose it was and could execute them.
I don’t know what I’m going to do for the election in May – obviously I’ll vote ISP in the list (assuming they’re standing in my constituency.) John Swinney is currently my MSP. I can’t vote for him (certainly not in good conscience, anyway.)
I’m not saying someones mum turning up in a blogs comments to shout the odds on behalf of her grown up son is one of the more interesting or significant events of the last few years in Scottish politics but it has to be one of the funniest.
If Josh is elected can we expect to see his mammy storming parliament on a regular basis? Have we all the been too judgey about his habit of hanging about ladies loos- is the wee laddie just looking for his mum?
I always wondered what his problem was. I think we might have the answer.
Since when was Tourettes a disability? When I asked my GP wife (actual woman), she asked why and when I explained she just laughed and shook her head.
Here Stu, they’re accusing you of saying something horrible about Graham Campbell and I came back to see what you said because I remembered nothing even remotely bad and was right. What are they talking about?
“Here Stu, they’re accusing you of saying something horrible about Graham Campbell and I came back to see what you said because I remembered nothing even remotely bad and was right. What are they talking about?”
Fuck knows. LITERALLY the worst thing I called him was a “councillor”.
There was that infamous time he tried to go to the ladies on the ferry, Cairnryan to Belfast, he was prevented by a couple of distraught mothers with their kids.
His mum was once again at hand to support him in relieving himself off the back of the boat.
link to twitter.com
Yer maw !
Apt, but what a riddy.
🙂
I blame Eastenders and daytime TV.
Everyone is a victim now.
The real value of so many Twitter Yessers can be shown in the fact that they think that a fairly old (although good) band announcing their support for independence means it’s in the bag.
Rev have you seen Gillian Bowditch’s piece in The Times? Apologies if this has been posted already link to archive.is
You really are a disgusting individual, Stuart. Attacking someone who has a serious mental illness is even more appalling than your usual venom. I’m passionately pro-freedom for Scotland but I’d rather stay in the UK than live in an independent Scotland in which people like yourself were prominent, but since you choose to live in England that’s something that, thankfully, won’t be happening.
IMO Wings Over Scotland is no better than the Alt Right rubbish that comes from hatemongers in the USA. You’re a disgrace to Scotland.
“You really are a disgusting individual, Stuart. Attacking someone who has a serious mental illness”
Please identify where I did that.