The Cost Of Truth
The Scottish Government just issued another response in the long-running Freedom Of Information battle with alert Wings reader Benjamin Harrop over its conspiracy to frame and imprison the late Alex Salmond on false charges. Here’s a genuine extract.
Yeah, definitely nothing to hide here.
The release came a couple of days after the Scottish Information Commissioner, who has been trying to improve the Scottish Government’s woeful FOI performance for the last seven years, had once again expressed his dismay at their conduct over the entire three-and-a-half-year affair of Ben’s request.
Which makes this paragraph somewhat ironic:
Let’s just spell that out. Having spent years and hundreds of thousands of pounds of public money, against the advice of their own lawyers, on a futile legal attempt – contemptuously thrown out by the Court Of Session in just 20 seconds last December – to resist handing over ANY of the information sought by the request, the Scottish Government is now refusing on the basis that doing so would cost more than £600.
It’s hard to find words, readers.
(The Scottish Government refuses to reveal exactly how much money it has thrown at trying to keep this information secret since April 2021, but we know that the half-day Court Of Session hearing a year ago cost taxpayers over £73,000 by itself.)
Incidentally, at the time of writing this article we’ve still been unable to locate the release on the Scottish Government’s infamously unreliable FOI website, which is why we’ve uploaded it at the first link at the top of the post. But among the barrage of documents filed on the site in the last couple of days we did stumble across this:
It shows that in the last six months there have, once again, been zero complaints made under the procedures which were initiated almost seven years ago with the specific intention of being used solely and exclusively against Alex Salmond. He remains the only person ever targeted by the process, despite a supposed widespread culture of such harassment at Holyrood.
Readers could ostensibly verify that fact by clicking the link at the bottom of the page which claims to lead to previous updates on the figures, but in fact it leads to a generic UK web archive (not, as suggested, a Scottish Government one), which is broken.
Meanwhile, Nicola Sturgeon continues to breeze gaily around the country attending drag queen galas and book festivals, although the BBC did remarkably manage to encounter her on one of her extremely rare visits to her place of work yesterday, where she told them how much she was enjoying her life.
She also toured the media studios audaciously explaining how everyone except her was responsible for the “toxic” environment of the transgender debate (while taking credit for equal-marriage legislation passed by Alex Salmond and remorselessly shilling her upcoming book) and boo-hooing about how much abuse she’d had over it.
But the arc of justice bends onwards.
And to be honest, readers, living to see the truth finally come to light is the main driver that’s keeping this website going. There is no hope of Scottish independence under the current SNP, because the SNP now exists solely to try to protect the perpetrators of the conspiracy against Salmond. It’s the only thing they truly care about, and today’s publications are just the latest in a vast dossier of evidence of that fact.
Whatever that truth ultimately costs, it’s a bill that must be paid, because nothing else can happen until it is. Justice is the price of independence.
“And to be honest, readers, living to see the truth finally come to light is the main thing that’s keeping this website in existence.”
This is a laudable goal and one I think all your readers can fully get behind.
It’s one of the reasons we fund him for sure. One of the reasons i do anyway. Indy cannot come without the truth beng known by all.
Agreed! Sadly it would seem most readers are more interested in things going on outwith Scotland.
2001 – correction – 2021!
“it’s a bill that must be paid, because nothing else can happen until it is. Justice is the price of independence”
Amen to that.
Hmm !
Looks like all your posts are being automatically down-voted by bots, Hatey.
Ah ken.
Like the doughty, formidable Scots heroes of yesteryear, the ones I well recall learning about as an impressionable schoolboy, I’m awa tae menstruate in hysterical quivering shame and horror at being downvoted 🙂
Is there a psychiatrist in the house?
I don’t think Winfred Overholser is available.
I tried to vote + on it but it says I have already voted which I have not.
Your vote meter has Reversed Winding. People actually like what you say.
The truth of what was done to The Hero and by whom is a fine cause to devote WOS to.
For not until the full account of the extent of the plot, the involvement of allegedly impartial civil servants and the conniving of corrupt and venal MSPs comes to public knowledge can anyone hope to see any degree of honesty and integrity return to Scots politics.
More power to your elbow.
Well said Sven!
I agree with all said and understand it will be May 2025 before next legal steps will be enacted by Alex Salmond’s executors.
Can the SIC lad not force the issue, seems he’s been laying the groundwork to me. Also, just saying, Current vacancies | Scottish Information Commissioner
“18 UN member states”
UH, Mike, the UN has over 190 member states. Not 18.
Maybe just to the current UNSC?
Not true, either. the UNSC has 15 members.
A gentle suggestion: Perhaps instead of asking a question about an easily-looked-up fact, you should look up the fact.
Yawn
Only 18 needed for recognition
Stu why did you remove Mike Fenwicks comment on Sovereign Scot at the UN?
Only 18? More Nonsense, Andy.
To be recognized as a member of the United Nations (UN), a state must go through the following process:
Can the application be made on behalf of the state by a campaign group with half a dozen members? For example, could a local scout group in Dundee decide to take on this brave task?
There’s nothing to prevent a local Scout group, the Alba Party, the Monster Raving Loony Party, or any group with half-a-dozen members, from contacting the UN about Indy for Scotland, Indy for Lossiemouth, or whatever.
The UN would die laughing if any of the four actually applied.
Scotland is a country. Not a region.
& Any country can seek decolonisation & every country has the right to self determination & every country can even declare UDI. We’re only in a treaty – you don’t own Scotland.
It’s other countries who recognise Independence. Not a permission slip from England. In decolonisation they have hee-haw rights either including interference, the franchise, all broadcasting interference, counting votes or even setting fake targets..
As I have explained to you before, international law deals in states and not in countries, and Scotland is not an independent state. There is no right provided in international law for groups of people to declare themselves as an independent state, outside of non-self governing territories, which is a defined term that on no reasonable construction could include Scotland.
This is explained in the Scottish S30 case and the Quebec reference case at the Supreme Court.
Away & get yerself tae fck.
Scotland is in a union. That’s it. A UNION. It’s not a region of England looking for separation.
There isn’t an international treaty alive anywhere in the world that requires the other sides permission to terminate it. David Davis, Brexshit negotiations.
& Palestine. The UN is never done voting, discussing & vetoing the plight of the Palestinian State that apparently doesn’t even exist.
So do jog on with yer made up pish!
The Supreme court was made up pish too to favour the colonisers. Complete bunkum as it’s even stated in the UN charter of a people’s right to self determination. England doesn’t OWN Scotland. Get over it already..
England isn’t a state either so I don’t know in what form “Englands” permission might even be sought in your bizarre made up legal order. The United Kingdom is a state and one formed of four constituent countries. It does not exist on a treaty basis.
I know you think that the law is what you say it is, not what is universally recognised by judges, institutions and private individuals. What however baffles me, is having awarded yourself the supreme power to declare what the law is in your own rambling and incoherent way, why have you been so unambitious. After all, in your land of make believe you could be queen, in charge of an already independent Scotland with unimaginable wealth, at the helm of a world of subservient nations. Unbounded by the confines of reality, the possibilities are endless, and yet your invention barely changes the status quo.
For others reading, the right to self determination does not provide the right for people’s to form an independent country. This is a fundamental but common misunderstanding of the UN charter. The right exists of people’s to freely seek political, economic, social, and cultural advancement within a state or as a state. The right exists only to form an independent state where peoples are subject to a colonised arrangement or are non-self governed, so cannot self-determine within that structure. This is well defined in international law (and in the latter case a list is maintained) which does not apply to Scotland.
The UK does not consist of 4 “constituent countries” Aidan.
Does it?
It does, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. There are also overseas territories if we want to start getting pedantic, but they aren’t countries.
No it doesn’t Aidan.
The UK does not consist of 4 “constituent countries”.
Does it?
Perhaps you consider asking the same question twice as some clever form of rhetorical device. Let me dispel that notion.
If you have a point to make then crack on and make it.
Delighted to Aidan. My point is this:
The UK does not consist of 4 “constituent countries” as you falsely claim.
Does it?
In the highly unlikely event that you really are unsure as to the identities of the various constituent parts of the United Kingdom, might I suggest your using “Google” to go find out these elementary facts yourself, there’s a good lad.
You should read the Crawford & Boyle legal advise commission by the UK Government.
Alternatively you could read the following which was written by Derek Bateman in March 2014.
But you don’t have any underlying reasons or rationale for your point, it is just a bare statement with no accompanying explanation to support it
Off you jolly well go then Aidan.
You explain your reasons and rationale for your statement.
I could provide a long and detailed explanation as to the historical context and background, the culture and identity etc. but that isn’t needed.
The four countries of the United Kingdom are widely recognised in official documents, narrative and media. It isn’t my idea, it’s an idea that is commonly and widely accepted. If you think it’s wrong, then feel free to set out why you think that.
Except you won’t provide any such thing.
The UK is the:
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
And that’s it. End of story, end of discussion
Right, so Great Britain is a country and Northern Ireland is a country?
No.
The UK is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
It does not consist of 4 “constituent countries”.
I am surprised that a Yoon does not know what the UK is.
The again, in your case Aidan, maybe not.
Are you gunning for lowest IQ poster on the wings comments section?
Are you unable to tell us why you don’t think England, Scotland, Wales and NI are countries? Or are you just able to tell us that they aren’t.
The UK is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
To claim otherwise reveals you to be a complete Yoon Idiot.
To claim that the UK consists of 4 “constituent countries” is a lie which reveals you to be a complete Yoon Idiot twice over.
What’s it like to be a complete Yoon Idiot Aidan?
Yeah I mean I guess I got drawn into it by other “complete yoon idiots”, like;
Alex Salmond: link to independent.co.uk
Stuart Campbell:
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Fergus Ewing:
link to thetimes.com
Why don’t you post a brilliant rebuttal like “ The UK is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland”. That’ll put me in my place.
Well, Aidan, Zander has certainly convinced me 🙂
Convinced me that should Scotland ever get Independence, he (and most of the Wings BTL posters) will have to be kept well away from any positions of influence and responsibility, and barred from anything requiring enough smarts to dress themselves unaided.
The interesting aspect of this realisation is that it exactly mirrors the history of what happened when the last vehicle for Indy, the SNP, morphed from a fringe grouping of nutters, to an aspirational national government.
As the usual suspects never tire of gurnin about, the SNP, on becoming serious, had to freeze them out.
I’m thinking the reasons why are bleedin obvious. And that it will have to bleedin obviously happen next time around too.
It’s a sorry state of affairs to think these are the kind of people apparently at the forefront of a political movement which very nearly made world history just ten years ago.
How patronising Aidan.
A sure sign you have lost the argument.
I have to ask Aidan, since you have no idea what the UK is, did you fall asleep at history class before you were expelled from Primary school?
“apparently at the forefront of a political movement”
When a sniggering student, more years ago than I care to think about, we used to say “foreskin”.
Little did we think we were predicting the future. At the time, we were just having a laugh.
Scotland, as Alex, Stuart and Fergus assert is a country.
That is a diversion by you to deflect away from your boundless idiocy.
The discussion is about the UK.
The UK does not consist of 4 “constituent countries”.
The UK is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
What’s it like to be a complete Yoon Idiot, Aidan?
I mean, come on, a Yoon that has no idea what the UK is.
Have you ever thought about a career as an advocate? I’m sure you could string out a shoplifting trial for 7 years.
You’re off your head.
The UK was between GB as you say, but Ireland (intact).
I believe Westminster now refers to NI as a “Province” and Wales as a “Principality”- their words not mine.
Frankly the so called UK is a joke desperately hanging on in there post Empire.
Tick tock.
At what point are you gonnie tell him that NI isn’t a country?
I’m on the edge of my seat here..
Yea I know Geri but that might have induced a complete mental breakdown for Aidan.
I like to keep things simple when dealing with Yoon idiots.
Yes you’ve done a brilliant job of keeping it simple, and you were right to be concerned. The proposition “Northern Ireland isn’t a country” is enough to send anyone into a state of extreme stress and disfunction, I’m glad we avoided that so close to Christmas.
Now shock horror, your point is actually arguable! (Not by you obviously, but by someone with persuasion and reasoning skills beyond that of a boiled potato).
I’ve never read such an inflammatory post in all my life…
… from a potato perspective! No doubt King Edwards are his goto for the inevitable thrice-daily cone of chips. Heh!
Thanks Aidan.
I am glad to hear that you now agree with me that the UK is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It does not consist of 4 “constituent countries”
Have a wonderful Christmas.
Go look up “crass pedantry” and “Pyrrhic victory”, Chief.
In your head this is some massive big deal, no doubt, but the reality is you just look like a pointless prat.
And a very Merry Christmas to you too Grendel.
Have a wonderful time.
Thank you for this informative and well structured engagement. I feel I’ve learnt something, quite frankly I’m amazed you haven’t been asked to give a TED talk, or maybe you have and a time hasn’t been found? Have you thought about a guest contribution to the Salvo website? I can’t obviously promise anything but I hear they’ll be an opportunity to address the UN general assembly in New York next year.
Now now Aidan, now is the time for good cheer and good will to all men.
Like I said have a wonderful Christmas.
“tell him that NI isn’t a country”
Why don’t you tell him, Geri.
In fact, live stream it from Donegall Square in Belfast, before a local audience.
I’ll willingly help crowd fund you a ticket to get there. A wee word of warning in your shell like though. A single is probably all that will be needed 🙂
A crowd of angry knuckle draggers still wont make them a country.
Poor Zander. The qualifying stages of the World Cup, where the teams representing Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England vie for a place in the final 32, must be a time of exceeding tribulation and mystification for him.
Only twice? Consider yourself lucky.
I’ve known less tediously repetitive parrots.
Hello Grendel
Initiating unwarranted personal abuse yet again.
It must be a Yoon thing.
Oh, I’m just returning the favour, Chief. As for “unwarranted”, I think not.
(You’ll note that I only do this to very few people whom I consider to be trolls).
“The UK does not consist of 4 “constituent countries”.”
Of course it does … unless …
Maybe we also need to include the mysterious unknown that is “scotland”. There’s a boy forever posting on here that claims to be from there.
That would make it 5, I guess.
Not according to the UK Governments legal advice it isn’t.
They told us that ‘Scotland was extinguished in 1707 and became lesser England.
See
‘… The countries of the UK are:
link to service-manual.ons.gov.uk
More:
‘… England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales are not themselves listed in the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) list of countries. However, the ISO list of the subdivisions of the United Kingdom, compiled by British Standards and the United Kingdom’s Office for National Statistics, uses “country” to describe England, Scotland, and Wales.[12] Northern Ireland, in contrast, is described as a “province” in the same lists.[12] Each has separate national governing bodies for sports and compete separately in many international sporting competitions, including the Commonwealth Games. Northern Ireland also forms joint All-Island sporting bodies with the Republic of Ireland for some sports, including rugby union.[13]
The Channel Islands and the Isle of Man are dependencies of the Crown and are not part of the UK. Similarly, the British Overseas Territories, remnants of the British Empire, are not part of the UK. …’
link to en.wikipedia.org
HTH. “Google” provides further info on the subject.
Do I detect somebody wanging oan aboot G@za?
Haha – rhetorical question.
Is it one of the usual suspects?
See answer above.
Utter bollocks. Yet again.
But it’s all you know.
England is a region.
Maybe James and his local dogging circle can step forward into the breach, the little rascal.
And?
Kosovo isn’t at the
American puppet show,UN.Are they any great loss to the UN, wh3re the Americans ignore votes anyway? Including security council ones.
They’ve consistently voted to give Palestinian a State. The Americans & the English consistently veto.
The UN is about to implode anyway. Everyone is getting sick of washed up has-beens sitting on the security council. UK & France have shit economies & they no longer have an empire & the USA is losing theirs.
We’re no longer living in the 1950s. It’s outdated & not fit for purpose. Old colonial bullshit has to go. There are far more worthy countries who should be on the security council.
Can’t disagree with that!
Hi … the 18 were chosen because of an important common characteristic – all 18 gained their own independence from the UK.
But that’s not what you wrote, Mike.
And you should be copying it to all nations, not just 18.
If you make such basic mistakes on your declaration (and I’m not even mentioning the misspelled words) why should anyone take you (or your cause) seriously?
” I’m gonna take two weeks
Gonna have a fine vacation
I’m gonna take my problem to the United Nations”
Also there was the WhatsApp scandal – of which oor Mayor Swinney has added this.
“John Swinney has banned the use of WhatsApp on Scottish Government-issued phones following a furious backlash over the deletion of messages sent during the Covid pandemic.
SNP ministers will no longer be able to use mobile messaging apps on official devices from April 2025 following an external review.”
In other news Humza is retiring from frontline politics – is this linked ?
How can someone retire if they haven’t started to work?
A sign of gravy getting scarce at SNP Central, perhaps?
“The ancient Greeks were wrong:
Narcissus didn’t become a flower at all,
but a vampire.” (The Midge)
“Bha na seann Ghreugaich ceàrr:
cha d’ rinneadh Nairciseas na fhlùr idir
ach na vàimpir.” (A’ Mheanbhchuileag)
“Bhí dul amú ar na Sean-Ghréagaigh:
Ní dheineadh bláth de Nairciseas
ach vaimpír.” (An Corrmhíol)
There are lots of folk currently shitin# themselves right now which is the karma we will all enjoy so much when the day comes
Gracie Abrams: The Secret of Us: That’s So True:
“I could go and read your mind
Think about your dumb face all the time
Living in your glass house, I’m outside, uh
Looking into big blue eyes
Did it just to hurt me, make me cry
Smiling through it all, yeah, that’s my life…”:
link to tinyurl.com
Karma: Celebration: So True (Life Should Be:)
link to tinyurl.com
#Epic
I don’t know what to say about all this stuff anymore being that I’m required to be polite.
She must be getting a fair amount of support from somewhere to be so audaciously going about doing what she’s doing.
She has no shame!
Being that I’m banned already I might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamp.
Sturgeon is a cunt.
Is there any mechanism for SNP members to force compliance by the parliamentary party, or even to debate it, given that fact that it needs resolved before the movement can move on.
Bring back Rhodesia.
I was talking about Sturgeon in work this afternoon. I cannot wait to see her have her comeuppance, and I think it’ll unite many people across the various political divides in Scotland. That day cannot come soon enough.
I couldn’t agree more strongly, Stu, and with your last two paragraphs above all. The truth must be revealed and the lying tractors exposed.
“…Whatever that truth ultimately costs, it’s a bill that must be paid, because nothing else can happen until it is.”
Sadly, I fear the enemies of Scotland know this only too well. Indeed, they positively thrive on it, as a long held philosophy.
In what walk of life would such an obnoxious and cynical reply to a legitimate FOI enquiry not be a sackable offence? Haa! Who am I kidding? Any politician, lawyer or Ombudsman in the country would be proud of it.
Contempt of Court will put you behind bars, while these wa*!ers are free to indulge their sheer and utter contempt for the public who pay their wages.
These arrogant c*!%ts need a brutal reminder that they serve the public. I’m sure it will come as quite a shock to most of them.
Quadeca: Time:
“A shattered clock upon the soft floor of the eternal home
As the hands of the clock fall and turn
We wave goodbye along with them
Now, when I ask, what is time
To some, it is the tape measure of life
To some, it is the disappearing monger of the universe
Hmm…
To some, it is an alarm, a brutal reminder
That it is always watching…
As it approaches constantly like a speeding train
And we, civilians, part with the middle of it’s tracks
And so I ask, what can fly without wings
What can fly without wings
Time flies
Time flies, that’s what I can tell you! Hahaha!
And although we are nearing the end of this art
We are only approaching a new beginning…”:
link to genius.com
From Zero: One Nation Under: Undeniable:
“Now that we’re a family
I can feel it from all sides
We live to do or die we’re all the same
There’s nothing you can’t tell us
And every single time
You step you’re gonna have a price to pay
Now that we’ve gone this far
I’m told I’ve gone too far
That’s not true
Before I go away
I guess I’ll throw away
The time I had spent with you…
You won’t forget about me
‘Cause I’m someone you can’t deny
Forget about, don’t think about
I’m just so sorry it’s true…”:
link to tinyurl.com
“Woe to you, hypocrites! For you have shut the door in people’s faces! You have taken away the key of knowledge. You yourselves do not enter, and you don’t let those get in who are trying to.”
“Is mairg dhuibhse, a chealgairean! Oir tha sibh a’ dùnadh an dorais ann an aghaidhean dhaoine! Thug sibh air falbh iuchair an eòlais. Cha deach sib’ fhèin a?steach agus bhac sibh an fheadhainn a bha a’ dol a?steach.”
“Is mairg daoibh, fhimínigh! Mar go ndúnann sibh an doras in éadan na ndaoine. Òir rug sibh libh eochair an eolais. Ní dheachaigh sibh féin isteach, agus iad seo a bhí ag dul isteach, chuir sibh cosc leo.”
” …behold, the kingdom of God is within you…”
(Luke 17:21)
The lost souls (demons ?) disagree.
Yawn… More futile piss-balling time wasting.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
What’s your game? Why would you have an issue with justice being achieved for Alex Salmond, especially when others appear to be willing to take the initiative and foot the bill? You appear to be trying to stir up division between independence supporters here. That’s the very last thing we need; we have far more than enough of that already. But perhaps you’re not really an independence supporter at all.
My game? Can you not read properly.
I’m jist a realist and clearly state the reasons in my comments which somehow you’ve twisted to make it look like I have an issue with Alex’s name obtaining justice which I do not.
So piss off, I could equally question whether you or anybody else is actually for Scotland returning to self-governance when stalling and going about stuff arse for tit.
The brave and bold Michael is not in favour of realism. It is a trait shared by many who post on Wings
Away and play with the beavers !
I think it is rather telling the vastly increased infestation of yoononists and britnats posting BTL, I am beginning to believe I am on the effiedeans or historywomans blogs with the amount of naysayers and denigrators of Scotland and Scots
Fight!
Michael , yr way off with that accusation : Dan’s posts over the years speak for themselves ; and he has a point .
Much as I agree with Stu’s comment that there will be no Independence without justice for A.S , I’m doubtful the realization of such justice ( if it ever comes ? ) will – necessarily – take us any nearer to Independence .
Though that doesn’t diminish the absolute necessity of obtaining that justice .
There are a whole lot more truths that need to be exposed to the Scottish People before Independence will be achievable : not least of which is the true nature of Scotland’s relation with England , ie Union .
Justice for Alex will be a good start ; but not the end
Independence supporters need to stop wasting their votes on imposters. Until the conspiracy to jail Salmond is exposed the imposters will continue to soak up votes that will be used against Scottish independence. It is an absolute necessity that the truth comes out and that can only happen in a court. You have a court case with evidence, which can be appealed and a verdict. That is as close to the truth as we get. Its all we have
One could jist as easily state “Independence is the price of justice”.
Because we won’t be in a position to deliver proper justice until we are liberated from the nefarious tangled web of the established UK and poundshop “Scottish” setups we are currently enduring and which are the cause of so many injustices.
Justice for the sadly departed Alex is but one thing in the scheme of things, what about the thousands of living Scottish citizens struggling to obtain a just and valued existence with adequate sustenance and warmth?
Aye, down tools, nothing is happening… and they can jist wait in line whilst we do fuck all to help them in practical terms or even offer hope for a better future whilst big money legal shizzle gets done.
There’s nothing helps a starving and freezing body more than said suffering body knowing a load of highfalutin wealthy people are busy with other business matters extraneous to some poor soul’s perilous existence.
Plus those Freeports and SEZs getting implemented on the qt will also be great for all those poor Scots too…
Way to lose the room comfortably off political folks, because it shows a shocking lack of self-awareness and disconnect from the lived reality of what so many Scottish folk and businesses have to endure on a day to day basis to get by, that some dolts think only one thing can be tackled and completed before any focus can be put on other matters.
Multi-tasking and reading the room are clearly skillsets Scotland’s supposedly brightest and best haven’t yet learnt…
It’s been clear for ages that this site’s comment section is circling the pan and no longer the discussion platform of worth that it once was what with it being filled with ever so obvious disruptors; Which it would appear I have been implicated as being for having the temerity to offer an opinion counter to what appears to be (scrolls up, checks ticks) 11 folk out of 5.5 million Scots.
And the recent implementation of said dumbed down like or dislike comment function further degrades btl to arsebook and twitter/ x adhd-like levels because folk are now too lazy and or stupid to even make the effort to type and post their thoughts.
Aye, FreeDumb for Scotland and oor silent liberation will be brave, stunning, and rather uniquely achieved solely through the power of saying and doing nothing and button pressing a like or dislike on t’internet.
Someone deemed a less disruptive ruffler of feathers than myself can step up and make the effort to post useful links and information, seeing as on previous thread the GERS figures are still being thrown about as a legit reason Scotland cannot move to self-governance.
Confused’s song enters mind: Oh flower of Ex Regio, when will see, oor revenues again…
FFS, some of the myriad bookmarked links I’ve got to rebut that pish are nearly a decade old. But who needs that useful armoury of data these days, jist lazily tick a dislike to rebut that stuff when you see it, that should work and convince undecided or questioning minds that the dross someone that doesn’t want Scotland to return to self-governance actually bothered to type and post isn’t all it appears to be.
I will spend more of my time elsewhere as I’ve recently joined the International Community… no not that one… I’ve bought an old and future proof 50 year old tractor to help further my own independence and liberation from the ills of dealing with what wider society and its stellar movers, shakers, and politicians are daftly allowing to have foisted onto us.
Spot-on , D .
Of course , there needn’t be any ” either / or ” conflict between obtaining justice for Alex Salmond and likewise for , eg OAPs re WFA .
If our country hadn’t been so fucked-up by it’s 300+ years of being treated like a troublesome child by the ” superior power ” ; betrayed and sold-out by a succession of self-serving Scottish scumbags and latterly , subjected to the demented ideological ravages of Globalist head-nodders like Sturgeon/Yousaf/Swinney ( what a Trinity of Tosspots ) – we would not be in the position of having to fight for justice for Alex and/or OAPs
So you think that because we might not achieve justice for Alex Salmond, there’s no point in fighting to clear his name, and because we might not achieve independence, there’s no point in fighting for it? Where is the logic in that? Are we just to give up and run away because we might not win? That’s pathetic.
Who said ” there’s no point fighting to clear his name ” ? You
Who said ” Though that doesn’t diminish the absolute necessity of obtaining that justice .” ?
Think that may have been me
You’ve managed to mangle the meaning of both Dan & my comments beyond recognition .
Must be that ” Climate * Crisis * you fervently believe in boiling your brain . Or something
Just out of curiosity, Rev, is it possible at all to know who authorised the release of the first document of your article in that disgraceful state, and who authorised the redaction of that document to that absurd and laughable extent?
Redacting and releasing from government a document like that is like displaying the uttermost contempt for the Scottish public and taking us for complete fools. It is completely unacceptable. That person should be sacked from public office immediately. If they do not have respect for the rights of the people of Scotland to full transparency of their government, if they do not serve the people of Scotland and instead serve the needs of some criminal, then they they do not belong in government or the civil service. They belong in jail.
It would be good to know who is the minister/high ranking civil servant that thinks our taxpayers money for their salary can be squandered in covering up the corrupt arse of some disgusting criminals.
Time to name and shame. If they show contempt for the people of Scotland in this fashion, then it is only proper that we respond them with contempt in equal measure. It is time we know who the criminals, the criminal apologists and the criminal gatekeepers hiding within our ministerial and civil service ranks are. That is the way we start pulling the curtain and let the light over this obscure and malodorous episode of Scotland’s history. By pushing away the useful idiots holding the lid down.
By the way, when on earth is Branchform going to actually make any progress and produce ANY results at all? Are we seriously expected to wait for decades until the criminals responsible die or move away to a tropical island somewhere? Is that what the police woman in charge is waiting for?
And then some here have the brass neck to claim Scotland is “a democracy”. One hell of a democracy. A kakistocracy more like.
I don’t think they have any shame Mia.
The Branchform Farce is proof positive that Democracy is a total Fraud in these Isles and always has been……
Seeing her gallivanting around so apparently carefree so soon after sending AS to an early grave makes my blood boil.
On what basis are redactions allowed and who is the final arbiter on what is or isn’t allowed to be redacted? As it stands, all too often it’s just a blatant FU. Some legal teeth badly needed to stop the piss taking –
The Scottish National Party (SNP) is a member of the Open Government Partnership (OGP) and has made a commitment to open government:
Scotland’s membership of the Open Government Partnership (OGP) supports our commitment to openness, transparency, and citizen participation across everything we do as a government.
When governments join the partnership they must endorse the Open Government Declaration and commit to the following principles:
link to gov.scot
Ian this has been going on for a considerable amount of time , these people spout these mantras and gleefully sign up to these grandiose sounding organisations BUT where is the facility to FORCE them to comply with the tenets they signed up to
We have a shower of clowns (and they are on the increase) who post on here decrying and denigrating independence supporting people who want the best for our country and people and want all politicians and political parties to be honest with integrity or face the wrath of the electorate
I don’t care what these people say about Scotland’s ability to be self sufficient or prosperous because they are obviously too stupid or oppose independence which is their right but I get outraged that the ONLY thing that they have to offer is to remain part of the fetid decomposing corpse of the uk and to be governed by the same two VILE parties whose incompetence and corruption is destroying everyone’s standards of living
These fuckwits only proposals are “vote for this shite corrupt political party BECAUSE it is LESS shite than other political parties” THAT is their reason to stay in this despicable union , they cannot produce anything POSITIVE about the union or the uk
Correct. 100% correct.
I quote;
“Ah, freedom is a noble thing”
To achieve that we need patriotic politicians that are “noble” in mind and actions to secure independence, not the barrel of troughers and deviant enablers that have made us endure years of pitiless cumber “catched” in this toxic Union.
Honest John the Redactor holds the pen……..
@ Mia at 18.42 I was just about to say something along those lines. Oh what a laugh the civil servants and their “masters” must have had redacting absolutely everything apart from one name.
What had Ashleigh Gray done to deserve to be the only fact exposed to the public gaze? Did she perhaps murmur something about the duty of public servants to, shock horror, serve the public honestly?
That would be enough to render her liable to every punishment the rest of her colleagues could inflict on her. No doubt she has been ousted from the tea club as well.
Can we recruit Ashleigh Gray as mole in the Civil Service? Or as an Independence Sleeper Agent?
Bravura writing/thinking , S.C .
” There is no hope of Scottish independence under the current SNP, because the SNP now exists solely to try to protect the perpetrators of the conspiracy against Salmond. It’s the only thing they truly care about, and today’s publications are just the latest in a vast dossier of evidence of that fact.”
Its astonishing that there are still so many pro-Independence supporters unable/willing to acknowledge the inescapable truth of that statement .
And this one ……” Whatever that truth ultimately costs, it’s a bill that must be paid, because nothing else can happen until it is. Justice is the price of independence.”
Absolutely
Googling Ashleigh Gray I find that she is “Deputy Director [Interim], Propriety and Ethics, Scottish Government”.
So the question remains. Why is her name the only unredacted piece of information?
A second question is “what does a director and their deputy do about propriety and ethics in the Scottish government?” On the face of it they haven’t been doing enough since November 2014.
“Why is her name the only unredacted piece of information?”
To send us all on a wild goose chase?
Or … so they can claim they did not redact ALL of it?
Cynical, Mia, but probably true! And what do you make of the gall of Swinney saying today that Whatsapp is not to be used on official phones? He, the master of redaction and obfuscation!
As I am indeed an unashamed and unrepented cynic, what Swinney said makes me think in the following:
It is remarkable that he says that whatsapp is not to be used. But what he does not say is that messages sent from and received on official phones should never be deleted. In other words, he EXPECTS compromising and sensitive messages to be deleted.
I wouldn’t expect any less of Mr Redacted
I’m afraid that I am growing cynical because I thought the same. It is just a pantomime performance he is giving of stopping wicked people using official means of communication to do wicked things. I’m sick of it.
I believe there is a rationale for the e-mail recipient and sender redactions. When the Holyrood Whitewash was at its slaisterous peak, I seem to recall someone making the point that staff below a certain grade had to have their names redacted. So presumably Ashleigh Gray is the only one senior enough to have her name published, which begs the question – where are the rest of the e-mails?
Several MSPs have spoken or hinted of a culture of abuse at Holyrood spread across all parties so nobody gets a pass. That may not be sexual abuse, but bullying. Certainly anyone who has watched FMQs will see examples of that. Patrick Harvie especially is clearly a toxic little man who especially has issues with women.
So for nobody to use a complaints system is telling. Of course it was designed purely for Salmond as Sturgeon wanted him destroyed. He knew where the bodies were buried after all.
The fact the Scottish Government, the SNP, and large parts of the Scottish establishment have all conspired to keep the facts secret from the public who pay their wages. My hope is that everything eventually becomes public. I suspect David Davies may well invoke parliamentary privilege next year and that Sturgeon faces a lot of questions.
As for Sturgeon, her attempts to rewrite history is astonishing but not altogether surprising. She was never a champion for LGB rights, her lavender marriage suggests much and her championing of trans issues is full of contradictions. History isn’t looking at her kindly now hence the attempt to change it. She’s killed independence as a political option for a generation. Women and girls rights, along with LGB rights are under threat from TRAs. The SNP aren’t interested in making lives better anymore and our cities are being reshaped in ways to exclude the disabled, working people and the poor.
She’ll carve herself a media career. I expect a podcast, maybe a column in The National. Owen Jones will prostrate himself at her feet. She thinks she’s got away with it. I hope she’s going to face what she did at some point.
“She’ll carve herself a media career”
I think it is more likely that she migrates to USA and joins the democrats there. Judging by her absurd policies and the way she idolised Clinton then Obama and then Biden, it seems to me this 2-faced woman and her sidekick Teflon Lloyd may have been working in collusion with them and USA’s deep state all along.
She is of no use to the Democratic party over here. People like her are ten a penny. She is a failed leader of a government less powerful than that of a US state.
That’s a certainty.
The more I follow others world news & elections the more American interference there is.
Georgia, Romania, Hungary, France, Japan.. they’re everywhere & pouring in $$s & civic unrest.
I see they’re plotting to get Trudeau out now. Not difficult I know, but his own government are throwing him under a bus & it just so happens they’ve links to Yahoo & Z. Trump wants the conservatives in. They don’t mind a bit of gen-ocide & warmongering.
Nobody has to plot to get rid of Justin Trudeau. He’s doing a bang-up job all by himself, and has been for quite some time. Losing his finance minister was rather careless. I don’t think the Liberals will suffer quite the same fate as the Tories did about thirty years ago. However, unless the other parties really bugger things up between now and the election, the Chocolate Fireguard will not be PM after next October.
She has nothing to offer the Democrats. Her rise was purely opportunistic based on the characteristics of when devolution occurred and how SNP rose in numbers first through list MPs in Hollywood and then through the constituencies in both in Edinburgh and London.
She was the right place and time to be a plausible young woman for promotion, while others were too old and thrawn to take the junior roles, had principals that kept them hostile to the leadership or were in Westminster rather than Holyrood. Then for similar reasons headed on upwards. The only genius was marrying the CEO.
A bit like Humzas rise as an ethnic. No great talent or ideas, but able to learn the presentational mechanics of politics.
She was handed a competent position but didn’t have the insight or talent to keep things on an even keel.
How many FOI requests for the same thing would have to be sent at once to completely overload and bring the Scot Gov to a halt until they release the darn information?
Unless the truth is revealed, you are in stasis and cannot move on, and, if it is revealed eventually, we are going to have to learn to forgive, no matter how hard that is. Of course the procedure was established precisely to bring down Alec Salmond, and nobody else. However, I think at least one or two of the women were also shafted. I am hoping that they might, in time, spill the beans.
You are right, Rev, the SNP is not interested in independence. Independence itself became the distraction, not the woke gibberish. The woke gibberish needed independence to be kicked into the long grass. It will be brought down eventually, but it might be far too late to gain our independence by the ballot box. This is what the fools have never understood.
Absolutely correct, unless the truth is revealed the roadblock inside the SNP will not be removed and Independence support will continue to be used against them.
As for the 2 women having been shafted, they weren’t shafted .They knew exactly what they were doing and they have long enough to make amends. They should face charges with the rest of them.
I don’t know why the 1st judge never charged them all with perjury despite knowing they were all lying under oath.
I don’t think there’ll ever be closure. It’s not in Perfidious Albion’s remit & it’s as plain as day this was their doing.
Forget the SNP. Let them sink to oblivion where they belong. None of them are worth saving & they’d be as welcome fronting any indy campaign as a severe dose of the trots.
Indy need to organise individual independent MSPs & MPs & forget voting for a single political party.
2 women? I thought Ms F was the only one who could semi-legitimately claim that she was gaslit into believing Alex had had sexual intentions, and then guilt-tripped and harassed into testifying against him?
On reflection I reckon I wasted a couple of hours of my life last night (that I’ll never get back) watching “Operation Mincemeat” on the box.
The relevance?
It was about the fantasy lives of the spin doctor spooks played out in life as they dreamt up black op back stories during the Second World War.
So like SHE who must not be named as described by Blackburn..
link to archive.ph
Dated 30 October 2017
These were pretty serious claims being made by Aamer Anwar.
I wondered at the time why nothing was being done about this or if Aamer Anwar was just making it up. Now when I think about it maybe it was the ‘interns and researchers to MSPs’ who spoke to Aamer Anwar who were making it up.
Maybe this was all a way of controlling the folk being accused.
Of all the “catalogue of abuse” the only
people being investigated were Mark MacDonald & Alex Salmond.
Goodness knows what Mark MacDonald did to deserve it.
Dated 1 Mar 2018
link to archive.ph
At that time I was wondering what they meant by sexual abuse/sexual assault. Did they make a typo in a text or accidentally touch someone’s knee.
Kezia Dugdale said the results were unsurprising but Nicola Sturgeon was shocked.
That is interesting one woman found the results unsurprising and the other was shocked.
I pretty much believe most women have the same experience regarding sexism/misogyny.
I find Kezia more credible than Sturgeon.
Weird that Sturgeon spent all that time with Salmond & didn’t suspect anything!
Not even a single sexist comment!
Dated 15 Aug 2017
link to archive.ph
It was at the time Mark MacDonald was fired that I became very suspicious of Sturgeon.
Something very rotten going on in Scotland.
Flynn made a big drunken mistake in trying to kick out a sitting MSP member.
I hope he sinks without trace the jumped up little shit.
So they’re banning WhatsApp from ScotGov devices.
Is that because they’re afraid they’ll be caught out?
What’s the alternative means by which our duplicitous SNP overlords will be able to scheme and plot? Telegram?
Personal phones not government issue phones.
The moment they publish the facts is the moment Salmond wins as it proves his case which is why they delay.
At the same time the unionists know they are guilty and if they pursue indy it will be leaked to the press and they lose.
The SNP must publish to resolve the Salmond case and to clear the air before 2026.
Swinney can’t release the info as it will show his involvement
Sturgeon thinks she might make a come back but the unionists have the messages she can achieve nothing but maintaining the union.
“Sturgeon thinks she might make a come back”
She will realise when her book fails that she is not the World Leader that she thought she was.
Her book will be in the charity shops within a fortnight…….proof positive that she is and was a nonentity…….fairly similar to to Harry the Spare’s book….not exactly Pulitzer Prize material…in the fictions awards……..!
It is interesting watching the BBC. Recently i have seen Brindly, Sturgeon, Lloyd, Riduck. They are all being given a gentle airing
Why does the BBC support these people. Why woude the protector if the UK support them???
I know the answer BTW
They are all connected to MI5 !
Some are some are just thick
MSPs back plans to end ‘double-jobbing’
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Government to ban WhatsApp for official business
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Humza Yousaf to step down as MSP at next election
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Rules tightened on chauffeur cars for ministers after ‘limogate’ scandal
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Sturgeon accused of rewriting history by denying ‘mass opposition’ to gender self-ID law
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Day 1,250: When will we get answers to the SNP finances scandal?
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Driverless bus service in Scotland to be withdrawn due to lack of interest
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Nicola Sturgeon rues descent into ‘toxic’ debate on topics such as equal marriage
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Recent headlines from various sources.
Not been a good week for the SNP has it?
Or the LieBore Party……..!
We’ve come a long way from the MeToo movement in 2017 when there were great concerns about unacceptable behaviour towards women to the possibility of Harvey Weinstein being able to put on a dress and be housed in a woman’s prison.
OMG It’s no wonder I’m banned and you all want to wank on about foreign wars.
Sturgeon’s demeanour all through this suggests she has been assured of protection at the highest levels. Her astounding notion of a 2026 return as First Minister signals her settled confidence that the comprehensive redactions are securely permanent. She feels invulnerable. Maybe she is.
The leadership at the Crown Office, Polis, Civil Service, commentariat all took part in the stitchup. Maybe she is immune from prosecution. There will certainly be resistance to it. Too much of the truth is out now for her to become chief admin. again? . Even the unionists, quiet at the time, are making noises that sound like demands for the truth, now that Alec Salmond is deid.
SHE whose name shall not be uttered is swanning about with a brass neck unable to resist attention.
I have one thing to say to her/ SHE/ they/ it:
Numbers 32:23.
Her absolute arrogance is proof positive of her sleekitness, not a guid look to most Scots….
I believe it’s termed hubris James.
Like “pride” (another word hijacked by the woke) it’ll come before a fall..
The cost of truth may be more than any one anticipates. The price may be the Unthinkable. A large swing to the right, extreme right. We’ve had the most extreme Left wing nut cases this country has ever seen.
Extreme Left wing?
When was that? Did I miss it?
There’s nothing remotely ‘left wing’ about woke ideology. It’s all about fomenting social division in order to further the interests to the ruling class. Divide and rule, in other words.
Who promotes woke ideology?
Left wing parties.
Like the Greens, Labour, LibDems and the SNP.
Just take a look at which parties in Holyrood voted for the Gender Recognition Bill (the above parties) and which didn’t (the Conservatives).
What you write is the exactly opposite of reality, because you can’t admit the reality.
I don’t know about left or right wing, but, with some notable individual dissenters, the GRR was and is promoted by the parties identified by Grendel.
The Tories were and are against. The Reform Party and the Alba Party and The ISP are also against this deviant nonsense.
I too am against it and I suspect, so too is Grendel.
I think you will find Mr tory boy that some of your fellow arsewipes in the tory party did indeed vote for the GRB, there were also abstentions from parties across the parliament
A word from one brave person could yet pierce the ballistic glass. Such was the nub of Solzhenitsyn’s counsel in his 1970 Nobel speech:
« It (violence) does not always, not necessarily, openly throttle the throat, more often it demands from its subjects only an oath of allegiance to falsehood, only complicity in falsehood. And the simple step of a simple courageous person is not to partake in falsehood, not to support false actions! That is why, my friends, I believe that we are able to help the world in its white-hot hour. Not by making the excuse of possessing no weapons, and not by giving ourselves over to a frivolous life – but by going to war! Proverbs about truth are well-loved in Russian. They give steady and sometimes striking expression to the not inconsiderable harsh national experience: “ONE WORD OF TRUTH SHALL OUTWEIGH THE WHOLE WORLD”. And it is here, on an imaginary fantasy, a breach of the principle of the conservation of mass and energy, that I base both my own activity and my appeal to the writers of the whole world. » (Alexandr Solzhenitsyn: Nobel Lecture in Literature 1970)
I would like to thank the good Rev for being a beacon of Truth in these dark times.
I see Useless is giving up politics to return to University. Where he will learn which bit is the arse and which bit is the elbow.
He’s not joining the political department run by some daft professor is he? Canny mind the name but I’m sure she said she was involved in Labour party politics Kezia somebody???
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I’m not so sure that “Justice is the price of independence”, colonialism covers far more.
But what we do know is that there is no justice in the colonial framework. We also know that independence means decolonization.
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
I have many questions.
Going back to the Libby Brooks article which states
I would like to have been told who the 55% were. Are we talking about civil servants, cleaners, carpark attendants or visitors. What % are male?
It’s all too vague as is the definition of sexual harassment.
One woman’s definition of sexual harassment might be another woman’s definition of flirting.
The number of revelations of sexual harassment is going to rocket if you change the definition of sexual harassment and make every exchange between a man and a woman into a potential case of sexual harassment.
Anyway all that stuff and the concern for women’s comfort/safety is way in the past and now ‘invasion of personal space’ is absolutely fine. If you don’t like it you can consider yourself a bigot.
Dr. Simon Goddek
@goddeketal:
“HARD TRUTH: The endgame of “woke” ideology is the complete eradication of Western civilization.”
link to tinyurl.com
Alice Smith
@TheAliceSmith:
“Marxists believe in the concept of Year Zero – the complete destruction of a society’s culture, traditions, and history in order to start anew.”
link to tinyurl.com
World Economic Forum: Does capitalism need some Marxism to survive the Fourth Industrial Revolution?
link to weforum.org
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Nine Inch Nails: Year Zero: God Given:
“You don’t want to get left behind, because it’s all coming down right now
Now, how hard is it to see?
Put your faith in me…
You should
Get where you belong
Everything you know is wrong
Come on, sing along everybody now
And he gives us sight
And we see the light
And it burns so bright
Now we know we’re right
When his kingdom come
And thy will be done
We have just begun
We’re the chosen ones…”:
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#RealityRevolution
On Operation Branchform – which will probably run until the next Holyrood elections – or, until Bain throws the lot out, and says there’s no case to answer.
” figures previously published revealed the estimated staff costs for Operation Branchform stand at more than £1.7 million while police overtime is £95,425.
A spokesperson for Police Scotland told the Record: “On August 9 2024, we presented the findings of the investigation so far to the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service and we await their direction on what further action should be taken.””
On my above comment – there are currently eleven Police Scotland officers working full-time on Operation Branchform, according to a FOI.
Wouldn’t it be useful, as well as fun, if the police acted as complainer against COPFS/Scot Gov for… to start with, waste of police time.
MSM has no interest in mentioning the Alex Salmond case, Sturgeon very early on paid tax payers money to the support the MSM during the pandemic which was in her favour. I’ve stated since the day Sturgeon stood down that as soon as 2026 comes and goes she will be elected as leader of the SNP again. She been in control from day she put her self forward in 2014 to be SNP leader and she is still pulling all the strings so move along there is nothing to see here.
I left the SNP in 2015 because it was abivous that Sturgeon had no interest in restoring Scotland nationhood again. I have stated since then she’s the false prophet and action should be taken towards the SNP under these AUOB marches if we had where would be be today.
Even today people in Indy movement believe the SNP is the vehicle towards Indyref2 keep dreaming your a idoit completely.
Westminster is in full control there building underwater pipline’s to England not for the short hall but for the future and that doesn’t mean Scotland is leaving. Everything thats happening is to secure England prosperity and Scotland’s demise and yet one simple solution lies in Scotland favour and its scorned with contempt. We need to form a new party thats Unites support for independence for all nations in the UK (cos if Scotland no longer exists as a nation due to it being now part of the UK then England no longer exists too, and that would be devistating to the English) and if that means feilding Scottish candigates in England so be it.
Sturgeon and the SNP leadership is laughing right in your face they know 100% that no action will ever come to light. The demise of the SNP has to be top priority and the formation of a new party feilding candigates throught the whole UK to end the Union is the only way Scotland will become Independent and trust me it isn’t going to happen by any other means.
Until we waken up and start thinking out the box who’s going to suffer, Scotland and its people and the damge done may not be reversible.
Westminster and the Unionist know that Scotland’s place is secure in the Union under the leadership of the SNP, but what these southerners aren’t sure of, is how long Scots will put up with all the bull before the Scottish people demand action on the constitutional question this is why these Westminster MPs are asset striping Scotland for its resources before we take matters into our own hands. Your being laughed at, we going to have to take Independence it isn’t going to be given not today and certainly not in the future. If we want Scotland to be Independent the choices, we make are going to need to be made long before 2026 and if we continue down the same road, I believe we’ll be at war its already being planned.
The war of Independence can be won if we fight it in England and use the English nationalist against the Unionist, I hate to say this but its true, English nationlist is dominant than Unionism so lets USE IT.
See Barrhead Boy’s article today, 100% Yes. Independents for Independence would answer your “new party” call, I think. And there’s Peter A Bell’s New Scotland Party with the #ManifestoforIndependence.
Peter Bell party isn’t going to field any candidates in the up and coming Holyrood election in 2026, so I have to ask whats the point in this party? When Alba party started and was fronted by some top Indy supporters and whats happened in the last 3yrs and 10yrs nothing and this is precisely whats going to happen with this vanity project by Roddy. Westminster and the MSM isn’t listening and there not going to listen because they don’t need too, hence we need an entirely different direction and approach and if we don’t take it Scotland and the UK will remain the same entity this is just obvious.
I don’t see it as a vanity project by Roddy. He chaired the Summit the other week and got 20 different activists [including the Rev] and group reps to come to brainstorm/plan a way of combining the grassroots independentistas in a campaign. He is not aiming to be the figurehead/leader. Nor is he forming a party.
It is meant to be grassroots people getting out on the streets as we did in 2014 but this time with a canvassing data tool AND to get behind real independence candidates i.e. I4I, ISP and any other real honest non-party political people. If we had several [preferably a lot] of such people elected to Holyrood it would force SNP to co-operate in real moves for independence.
Sara, The goal to Independence can still work but until the SNP/Government starts the ball rolling, WHICH IT WONT so nothing will change. Westminster isn’t listening it doesn’t need to they hold all the cards.
The UKG isn’t ever going to relinquish control over Scotland this is a fact.
At the moment the SNP is allowing Scotland to be asset striped in order for the UK government not to shut Holyrood or put and external force on bringing certain people to justice.
The SNP has two goals 1 protect Sturgeon and 2 destroy the Independence movement, their actions over the last 10 years, shows there is enough evidence to prove this.
I hope Roddy idea works but it won’t. I’ve even joined and donated, for me the worrying thing is time I don’t believe Scotland has a whole lot of time and I strongly believe we are heading towards a war which I don’t want Scotland to be involved in and trust me if we are Holyrood will be shut down quicker than the eye can blink.
I entirely agree about the urgent need for Scotland to be out of the Union. I too donate to every worthwhile attempt by people who I believe to be honest and have fire in their bellies for the cause.
I’m not optimistic, either, but the attempts have to be made in the hope that there will be some impact. When I think of the 100,000 plus folk in Edinburgh for AUOB marches who are no longer visible, they still exist but need a goal – Roddy aims for May 7th 2026 as that goal. Are enough Yes folk desperate enough to put in a shift in order to get true independence fighters elected? I pray that there will be.
At the same time there is Salvo/Liberation’s route. Not quick but the cumulative effect should help. It’s got to be tried.
http://www.indy4indy.scot. Roddy McLeod, Barrhead Boy, is trying to get the Yes movement going again – all those separate local groups who did stalls, leafleting etc etc independent of SNP control – for Independence Nothing Less.
He and others have a Campaigner tool to help the Yes groups efforts in collecting necessary voting data.
See his article on Barrhead Boy blog today.
We get a “new” Indy political movement announcement every week. A “Peter Bell” Party one week; a “Barrhead Boy” Party the next. It seems that every obscure blogger with half-a-dozen followers is issuing his own “Manifesto” about his new “Movement.”
It’s really good for a laugh how even the 1% can’t unite behind anything.
The Indy4Indy website is still under construction, but they have managed to get the Donate section working so at least we know they’re focusing on the parts that are important to them.
Money appeals first, policy afterwards.
Sounds like the SNP grift, just on a tiny level.
Gloriana
Maybe they learnt it/ it’s rubbed off on them from the “jolly boy” masters of the art: the Tories.
Expensive hoors to buy the lot of them..
Aye & those
parasitesPatriots let anyone buy them. Foreign donations welcome – holiday homes & wallpaper a bonus. The creators of the “hostile environment to immigration” don’t mind foreigners & immigrants if they have the foldy stuff to deposit. Fae choosing the UK prime minister & setting policy & laws – tae a gong & a pass straight to the Lords if the price is right. Just sign up to the Tory party from anywhere in the world & cast yer vote.Tories – keeping Britain…ummmm…
Amen to that Geri!
The two facedness of some here beggars belief..
I’ve read the article – very interesting. Just one wee dig at the Dews, so a huge improvement over the article Dan linked to the other day.
Please keep us posted on the progress of the I4I movement, sarah. I can’t wait for the chance to vote for the candidate in my constituency, hopefully in 2026.
Today every single Scot pay their taxes and send it to England who in return use it as legal tender and then send back pocket money that we turn into a currency with no monitory value. Yet with one simple application to the court to make the Scottish currency legal could solve one of the biggest stumbling blocks to some people regarding independence which is, what currency would we us? But no one has ever given this a single thought or proposed taking this action.
I’ve often stated long before we had even decided on having a referendum that, removing the monarchy from Scotland should have been top priority. Even now it would be the stepping stone to nationhood and sending the strongest message to England that Scotland is heading towards Independence.
The Independence movement has no leader and it never has, its lead by a lot of voices heading all in different and wrong directions and it isn’t helping. No one eats the chicken with the head still attached.
Alf, there is a lot we can do to upset the southerners but our politicians are too afraid to do it and we the people aren’t at the point of demanding it, if we were Westminster would be worried.
The currency issue is not about whether an independent country could issue its own currency, obviously it could. It’s what the impact could be on the Scottish economy from a new currency whose value is uncertain and which might fluctuate considerably over short periods of time.
“Removing the monarchy from Scotland” is impossible whilst Scotland remains part of the U.K., unless the U.K. also got rid of the monarchy.
That why its important to have the Scottish pound make legal tender NOW not tomorrow or the day after we become Independent.
“Legal tender” is constantly misunderstood. All it describes is the means by which creditors must accept payment for a debt. It is not a mark of validation. Changing the Mediums of Exchange laws to include the Scottish pound would have nil impact on the potential value or future volatility of the Scottish pound. That would require rUK and Scotland to adopt separate currencies.
The “Scottish Pound” will just be yet another waste of time and more importantly money, as long as the current ruling government in HR has, as its stated policy, the intention of taking Scotland into the EU immediately upon Independence.
We’ll be using the Euro as our currency.
Just for once, let’s try to deal with the real world. The SNP government has stated that a vote for Indy will be seen by them as a de facto vote for EU membership.
Just because the posters BTL here don’t like to talk about them, doesn’t mean these policies have gone away.
Independence needs to be absolute and free of precondition affiliation with other Unions.
A constitution written first in law.
Then people can vote on whether to join trading “groups” or not.
Independence needs to be inviolate, the country whole and indivisible.
There is no “Scottish Pound”. Scottish banknotes are issued under the authority of the Bank of England, and are denominated in pounds Sterling, as it says on Scottish banknotes. The pound Scots ceased to exist in 1707; the exchange rate at that time was £1 Sterling = 12 pounds Scots.
So we own it too in this (ahem) Union of Equals then.
Sorted.
Scotland has no monarch – ask yourself why their at two-crown offices – a Scottish and an English one.
There’s no such thing as a “British Monarch” non have sworn to uphold the Claim of Right.
Fictional Kingdom, Fraudulent State – YOURS FOR SCOTLAND
What’s the situation in “scotland”?
Don’t tell me you’ve never been tempted to declare yourself king.
Kings Of Convenience: Declaration of Dependence: Me in You:
“But ooh
There’s a little bit of me inside you
Gathering what you’ve lost
Ooh
There’s a little bit of you in everyone
Can never keep a secret…
And I’m watching you now
I see you building the castle with one hand
While tearing down another with the other…”:
link to tinyurl.com
“…seven year-old Alexander III became the first Scottish king to be crowned, rather than merely enthroned…”:
link to tinyurl.com
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Can you provide any examples of someone in an official capacity recognising or acknowledging that?
“Secret” legal doctrines which are only known by random individuals writing on their own blogs and are arrived at by a reinterpretation of history are not by their own definition law.
For the last decade Scottish politicians have done nothing but upset the ‘ southerners’ and at the same time doing absolutely nothing for Scottish people. Sturgeons biggest trick was to keep that hatred simmering just enough. And it’s through that blind stupidity that has allowed the Bisto Kids to keep their elite lifestyle.They have been playing politics with our lives whilst improving their own.
Scotland (8.2% of the UK population) pays just 8.1% of all UK PUBLIC REVENUES yet it receives 9.1% of all UK PUBLIC SPENDING!
Sounds like a pretty good deal for Scotland….
Where are you getting these figures from – your English masters? Away and hing aboot somewhere else. You are nothing more than a ("Tractor" - Ed) to Scotland – as are the clan you purport to represent.
So as an Indy supporter you reject official statistics!
About as I expected.
They aren’t ‘official’ if they were there’d be no need for guess estimates. They’d be able to produce a full ledger with proof of receipts. They’d be able to produce oil & gas receipts too.
It’s not difficult FFS. There’s only 5 million of us.
Where is England’s official statistics report?
The Tories did give us a clue tho – nearly £100 billion will come from the North Sea, Scotlands territorial waters, funny, I don’t see that listed in the Scottish “official statistics” That’d clear our pretendy deficit in one go..
What does a country, with not much in the way of natural resources, live off? We’d all love to know. Get to it…
“Geri,” your admission of ignorance of official statistics is noticed, and believed.
Yoon troll. Round & round they go pushing the GERS pish. Debunked by everyone since circa 2013.
Here’s a novel idea. Have the Union on a rotating executive administration/management/treasury bookkeeper – ever few yrs it passes back & forth between Scotland & England. The only two in the union. Everything would be recorded properly then. The English would have nothing to hide & no need for estimates. Not even an energy supplier gets away with estimates these days. It’s so 1980s!
You’re a clown mate. Put your big shoes, revolving bow tie, squirty flower and red nose on, and fuck right off
Well said.
GERS is when the people who robbed you, tell you how poor you are.
The true pillage of Scotland is revealed by comparative GDP studies; our peer nations – Norway, Ireland, Switzerland have GDP in the 600-800B a year range (interesting – Ireland’s is higher than Norway, but has no oil). Scotland’s GDP is supposedly 200B. How Scotland’s accounts are made up, is “problematic” to say the least, but let’s look at it both ways :
– if this number is right, then it shows a catastrophic mismanagement of Scotland’s economy by London.
– if this number is wrong and it is actually much higher, then it proves the colossal robbery which is being enacted on Scotland.
Either way, there is no argument for union. We are poor because of London.
Let’s argue from absurdity – suppose the UK made an offer to the norwegians to join “the most successful political union in history” – would they do it? No, but they might die laughing at the idea : “better together” – aye, so the London skyscrapers get twice as tall, Norway is reduced to the level of Wales, and the new british supernuke gets berthed in OSLO?
what is GTF in norwegian?
Reveal your sources or shut up. If its YouGov and the Tory tax crook Nadhim Zahawi, then you are spinning a load of shite.
Ah yes, GERS estimates (figures arrived at by sticking a pin on a donkey), guaranteed to be under-estimates..
The Scottish Government also publishes estimates for Scottish GDP, including some with estimates for offshore economic activity. The latest estimate for GDP in Scotland was £218 billion in 2023 when including its own calculation allocating offshore activity to Scotland on the basis of geographic share. (that old chestnut, after the Brits stole 6000 square miles of the North Sea)
Have a look at this chart, bearing in mind the obfuscation of Scotland’s figures:
link to statista.com
6000 square miles. Scotland what have you lost? So so sad.
Now when you look out over the sea at Carnoustie which is well inside Scotland’s border – you are looking out over English waters that were stolen from Scotland.
A MUST read website for those that don’t what’s going on – it has more info on the stolen seas.
Scottish Conspiracies Political Injustices Scotlands History Mc Crone GERS Report Indpendence Devolution Referendum 1979 2005 Trident
It will be returned. It was theft. Only fcked up corrupt counties demand payment in exchange for democracy. Scotland voted fair & square for our own parliament. That should not have came with a price tag.
Marie, don’t take Geri’s illiterate ravings seriously.
Since Scotland never had any ownership over the North Sea (beyond the traditional “cannon-shot” 12-mile limit) there was never anything “owned” for anyone to “steal.” The North Sea Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) where the oil is, is granted to a nation–in this case, the UK–by international law. By international agreement the EEZ was not granted to Fifeshire, Lossiemouth, or Scotland.
Take a look at any map of Scotland prior to 1707 (i.e., independent Scotland). No map shows Scotland with any claim to the EEZ area, beyond the cannon-shot (12 mile) limit.
Oh do piss off.
Scotland has a clear maritime map of its waters.
They’re vast.
Unlike Engurland that only has a teeny, tiny channel.
I give geography lessons to the fact-allergic.
Geri’s response is “piss off.”
You can’t cite a pre-1707 map of Scotland, the Independent Scotland you bang on so much about, that shows the middle of the North Sea as part of Scotland. Because there never was none.
it’s just amusing to destroy your fact-free rants, because they’re so easy to refute.
Gloriana
If uncomfortable facts are merely figments of imagination then why did Westminster (auld Bleary Broon if memory serves) OFFICIALLY redraw a line (WELL outwith cannon shot distance) in the “north” sea in the first place?
Why the Icelandic “cod war”?
Why the “Norwegian” sector of the North Sea for drilling?
Why the constant bickering with Spain about waters off Gibraltar?
Facts are awkward chiels..
I suspect everything and every right you consistently disavow to Scotland here, you would defend to the hilt if it was your precious Union and England as the case in hand.
Debate is all well and good, trolling and doing propaganda with fictional p1sh read in right wing Fleet Street rags is not.
You serve no real purpose here, just agitate.
As usual from you – utter bullshit! The North Sea revenues accrue to a geographical construct created specifically to deprive Scotland of any benefit – extra-regio. ALL revenues from that construct accrue directly to The Treasury – now there’s a surprise
You are being disingenuous, CC!
If there was no formal border between the Scottish and English EEZ areas, then there was nothing to move in the first place, so why did Blair and Dewar need to bother?
And if Scotland’s area was limited to 12 miles, why wasn’t England’s?
Ahh yes this old grievance monger chesnut again.
Prior to 1998, the sea border between England and Scotland was only required to demarcate the jurisdiction of the two respective criminal legal systems (so if someone was say murdered, on a boat in the North Sea, would the murdered be tried in an English or a Scottish court). There wasn’t really any significant issues about where that sea boundary was drawn given that very few criminal cases were likely to be brought concerning that area of sea, so a straight line was drawn to make everyone’s lives easier.
In 1998, because of devolution a boundary which would be used for a much wider range of purposes including taxation was required. This boundary was therefore drawn in accordance with the accepted principles of international law with respect to the demarcation of EEZ’s. This follows a kinked route which is equidistant from the England and Scottish coastlines. That is the proper and appropriate economic boundary.
@ Xarcen
I tried to respond to the comment you just made a few minutes ago but when I submitted my post it said I couldn’t comment on unapproved posts…
T’was these couple of links.
(I would have thought all those red tick givers to my last post would have got their shit together and stepped up… instead of just throwing shit-talk at trolls…)
link to craigmurray.org.uk
link to craigmurray.org.uk
Thanks for these, Dan. I would have posted a link to CM’s posted comment rather than the whole text, but I couldn’t see how to generate a link to it in Wing’s new setup. I have no idea why Rev Stu binned it. It certainly wasn’t particularly long and it wasn’t abusive in any way.
Can you show us ‘Fifeshire’ on a map?
Fucking clown.
Bollocks.
THE REAL ECONOMIC PRICE OF THE UK UNION FOR SCOTS – YOURS FOR SCOTLAND
I decided to have chocolate pudding for dinner tonight, but 10 englanders turned up and said
“its rhubarb crumble or nothing”
so I made rhubarb crumble.
They then ate my rhubarb crumble and said : “you owe us money for that rhubarb crumble”.
– better together.
Leaving, they helped themselves to the petty cash in the biscuit tin and took my chocolate pudding as well.
– pooing, and shiting
Wait…they left?!!!!
They’ll be back tomorrow to burn you out.
It’ll be for your own good. You shouldn’t go thinking you can use a cooker.
Gloriana writing FACTS based on UK govt propaganda and Glorianas own speculation and “interpretation”of already skewed figures..
Wowser – truth enough laid bare of the contagious poisin spread in the Sturgeon era by the useless cohort attracted to the once honourable & great party (like flies round shite). Don’t hate many things but Stugeon & her cabal ???
SHE whose name shall not be uttered probably has prearranged telling pictures of them all engaged in flagrante delicto with the sort of deviants she joyfully associates with.
Blackmail is the second oldest profession they say..
We need to get rid of these LEZ zones, because it just encourages Nicola
Aye, I see what you did there… 🙂
Some European and Nato countries love kknnattzzii-s.
“The UN General Assembly has approved a Roooshhiaan-proposed resolution on combating the glorification of knnaatz-ism, despite opposition from Ucan–e and a significant group of Western countries.
The vote on a draft document titled ‘Combating glorification of knaatzzism, and other practices that contribute to fueling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance’ took place on Tuesday. The resolution was adopted with 119 votes in favor, 53 against, and ten abstentions.
Those opposing the resolution included U–cainnn – which Roosshhhiiiaa has long accused of promoting knnaattzzziazi ideology – and many of u’s supporters, including NATO members Canada, France, Germany, the UK, the US, the Baltic states, and Poland.
Notable abstentions included Switzerland and Turkey.”
How true that is, Ros, even in “scotland” (population 1).
I’m particularly irked by the love of N@zi memes currently all the rage in Orcland. See:
link to tvpworld.com
Here’s some wee quotes:
“Published on VKontakte, Orcland’s version of Facebook, eighteen times, the poems of Rakitin have included one called “Leader.” Originally titled “Führer” and written by the fervent N@zi Eberhard Möller in the 1930s, it was posted alongside a typically masculine photograph of poot posing in a forest.
Another poem, “Faceless Stormtrooper,” was repackaged as a celebration of Orc mercenaries fighting in Ukr, while one more, adjusted for the Orc reader, spoke of “whispering to a dear son for the last time and dying for our peaceful Donbas.”
Lapped up by leading Orc politicians, 95 MPs and 28 senators befriended the fictional Rakitin on VKontakte, among them Yelena Yampolskaya, poot’s cultural advisor, and Dmitry Rogozin, a 60-year-old senator partial to dressing up as a frontline soldier.”
You’re one of the leading pro poot protagonists on here, Ros, and you never tire of boasting about your secret contacts and insider knowledge.
Have a wee word with the Orcs – tell them to tone down the N@zi shit.
Nice try – but no cigar – it was anti-ppooootun Ruu-ushh-ian exiles that created Gennady Rakitin – led by Zakharov.
The hoax was perpetrated by the exiles to try and show that there was a problem with nNaz0ism in rooushia to take any pressure of real nNatsi-sm in U.
You’re slurring again, Ros.
That’s one of the three signs of a stroke. Dial whatever number they use for ambulances in “scotland”. You can’t afford any delay.
I found this for you, Hatey…
Stroke Association: Changes to behaviour:
“This can be due to the damage to your brain, or it might be linked to emotional problems.
What kinds of problems can this cause?
Anger and aggression:
Many people find themselves getting frustrated or angry after their stroke. You may lose your temper for no reason or get angry about things that never would have made you feel that way before. If your anger turns into aggression, you may shout, throw things, threaten people or try to hurt them…
Inappropriate behaviour:
People usually think that behaviour is inappropriate when it ‘breaks the rules’ and makes other people feel uncomfortable..
If you lose the ability to read social situations, you will not know what’s expected of you. You may not realise you are behaving inappropriately.”:
link to stroke.org.uk
#LongLiveStrokeVictims
2 evil demons don’t want stroke victims to live.
Keep murdering your integrity for all to see.
So instead of apologising for yer fake news you do yer usual insults instead.
Stop spreading fake news FFS. It’s embarrassing.
Captain Sensible: This Is Your Captain Speaking: The R***ians Are Coming:
“(UN Security Council):
Do you, Ambassador Zorin, deny that the U.S.S.R. has placed and is placing medium- and intermediate-range missiles and sites in Cuba?
(Captain Sensible):
The R***ians are coming…
Lets arm ourselves tup to the teeth so I kill you and you kill me, let’s kill and rape, destroy it all, let’s kill ourselves and have a ball, let’s see there’s nothing left alive, make sure no-one can survive…
The R***ians are coming…
I don’t believe a word
It’s all I’ve ever heard…
Hate and war’s ‘bout all they give, want to live my life, be free, but they stole my world from me…”:
link to tinyurl.com
Biden Allows U***ine to Strike R***ia With Long-Range U.S. Missiles:
link to archive.ph
UK has decided to allow U***ine to use Storm Shadow missiles in long-range strikes on R***ia:
link to archive.ph
Why are you off to R to find shit on neo Nazis? BoJo was in parliament meeting with the real deal a few months ago telling them how much he loved them & Canada even invited them to their parliament too, as guests of Z, to celebrate killing Canadians in WW2 before the speaker of the house forgot where he was…& lest we forget Z who is currently spending millions renaming streets & erecting statues to Bandera..you know, the perpetual crowd funder…
I think the whole internet knows who loves the Nazis..It’s not R. They actually won WW2 doncha know?
Mikola Lebed, the CIA self written Act of 1949, the infamous Nightingale battalion and its roots in Gehlens Abwehr wartime “acts” in U does prompt questions and shows who Uncle Sam was and is prepared to jump into bed with in that neck of the woods..
Sure YL, but you do have to look at the context.
Around 3.9 million of Ukr were deliberately killed in 1932-3 by the Orcs under Stalin, in a gen0cide described as “the first that was methodically planned out in modern times”. As such, it was a precursor of The Holocaust and studied by the N@zis to see what lessons they could learn from it.
Following the break-up of the relationship between Stalin and H1tler that had allowed Germany free reign to invade and subjugate most of western Europe in 1939-40, and the invasion of Orcland by her most trusted friends and allies, Germany, in 1941, survivors of the gen0cide in Ukr saw the Germans as liberators and some were only too happy to join in the revenge on their Orc oppressors.
Consider what will happen here in bonny, wee Scotland if we get into bed with the BRICS and allow the Orcs to take us over. Do you honestly believe those posters calling the English sub-human scum and boasting about taking up arms to shoot the English won’t be looking for their “bit of fun”, whether justified or not?
Appreciate the factual bulk of your reply, a bit lost on the final note though.
Notwithstanding; “Liberate Berwick upon Tweed”!!
Looked a bit further into this, 06/11/61 Heinz Felfe, head of uncle Sam’s approved West German security service, a 1951 Gehlen member and hardcore “ Nats Ee” two years after Uncle Sam had taken charge of it was ultimately found in 1961 no less of passing western info to the ruskies for all that time. Kind of bumps your argument (please drop the LOTR language) not least as dear darling Oxbridge English Kim Philby had been doing the same a bit earlier..
Perhaps not all at the time saw things through your prism notwithstanding they were actually there at the time?
Oh and then there’s Japan..
The bread baskets even had their own SS Battalion with their own wee flag.
Aye, that’s Genocidal nutters, Nazis & an extensive list of banned jihadist groups they’re now having a love in with…just wondering what other groups still left at the bottom of their manky barrel..
Never again will they be able to bark their human rights pish to anyone ever again…
“Never again will they be able to bark their human rights pish to anyone ever again”
I was slightly flummoxed by your tortured syntax, Geri (are you not a native English speaker perchance?)
But if you have a link to a vid of somebody barking pish, please post it.
I’d love to see it 🙂
I felt uneasy from the moment the Berlin Wall came down. When I saw the John Pilger documentary Death of a Nation I realised that I was indeed on the wrong side. The feeling that I live on the wrong side has never left me.
You put your left wing in put your left wing out. In and out and shake it all about.
Oh! Do the Wokey Wokey . In and out and Ra Ra Ra.
Oh Wokey Wokey Wokey…
Not that long ago – and there are similar points with Scotland in mind – we don’t control our own borders, or even have a say on who can and cannot live in Scotland – no that is decided by a foreign country.
The French also imprisoned hundreds of Kanak people.
We need powerful allies – English governments already have form, sending in tanks from Newcastle to George Sq – does anyone in their right mind think that English governments won’t crush by force, any attempts to rid Scots of this unholy illegal union.
“In May, clashes erupted in the Pacific territory of New Caledonia after the French government proposed granting voting rights to new settlers. Indigenous Kanak people feared the measure would leave them in a permanent minority, putting independence hopes out of reach.
France deployed hundreds of riot police officers and troops to quell the unrest.”
The deception in Scotland (should be called sheepland as Scots are baaah…) was just as bad back in the day.
“1979 Devolution Referendum – 52% said YES Westminster said NO on the 1st March 1979 the People were asked this question? ‘Do you want the provisions of the Scotland Act 1978 to be put into effect ? ‘
Scotland voted in favor of devolution by 52% to 48%
However before the election took place SDP, MP George Cunningham had proposed that 40 % of the electorate must vote Yes, thus effectively counting abstainers, the dead, foreign students who had left the country as No voters. 32.9% of the electorate had voted Yes, only 7.1% short of the 40%.
of the electorate who had voted 52% voted Yes 1,230,937 opposed to the 1,113502 who had voted No.
At the time of the referendum there was 62 Scottish MP’s, 43 of them voted Yes and 19 voted No.
Had the same conditions been imposed on the 1975 EEC referendum, Scotland would have left the EEC.
The Act was repealed the following month (March 1979) despite Scottish MP’s voting 43 to 19 against repeal.
This is the first time in a democracy that the decision of the voters who turned out has been over turned. Even in a third world African Nation, democracy is not destroyed to the extent it was in 1979 by Labour Government. Who after years of stalling on the 1974 manifesto promise to hold devolution referendum’s in Scotland and Wales imposed this unfair, unjust ruling that was instigated purely to rig the referendums to interfere with the right of the Scottish and Welsh people to govern themselves.
The sense of betrayal that the Scottish electorate felt was unrecoverable for the Labour Party and a vote of no confidence in Callaghan’s Labour government 27 days later was carried by one vote. The Labour Government collapsed and Margaret Thatcher swept to power where the Conservatives remained until 1997 despite having virtually no support in Scotland.”
Back then the SNP were called the Tartan Tories. ‘A fringe group of Jacobites and sheep sheep shaggers.’ This was the consensus back then. The Nationalist Nutters.
“should be called sheepland”
Ach, just call it “scotland” Ros. Show your contempt for the place by refusing to extend it the courtesy and respect of a capital ‘S’.
I’d rather eat my own eyeballs for lunch than ever vote for those treacherous bastards that call themselves Labour. They’re more rabid than the Tories. Shame on any indy supporter that ever goes back there. They repeatedly stabbed Scotland in the back starting with their greed when oil first came ashore. Lying through their teeth to their own voters of how much was exactly in the North Sea..
Scotland should demand these London based parties fck off out of Holyrood. They don’t serve Scotland.
Stabbing in the back needs an action the Labour party in the 1980s and 1990s where inactive against Tory desolation of Scotland
“Scotland should demand these London based parties fck off out of Holyrood”
Absolutely. I totally second that. What other parliament in the whole world have representation from political parties whose main headquarters are based in a completely different country and whose leader represents a constituency from other country, therefore that leader sits on the parliament of a different country?
It is beyond absurd in a so called democracy. I think Scotland might well be the exception in the whole world.
Either those branches become full Scotland parties, with HQ based in Scotland and their leaders represent Scottish constituencies and sit in Holyrood, or we should demand them to FO.
The exact same should apply for referendums on constitutional matters for Scotland. Intrusion of political parties with HQ in England during the 2014 referendum was blatant example of state sponsored direct external interference. It was profoundly undemocratic and, just another example of how that referendum was rigged from day 1.
Those England parties raised funds from subs taken from members in England or Wales, and yet, they were allowed to use that money to campaign in Scotland and against Scotland’s independence. The exact same apply to the funds abused by the UK government of the day. The largest proportion of it was money paid in by England’s and Wales’ taxpayers. It was therefore a case of state sponsoring and imposition of direct external interference. I am aghast that the SNP or external observers did not shout over the rooftops about this.
And we have this happening all over again with every Scottish election, being that a parliamentary or a council election. External interference, with money raised in a different country, in every single election in Scotland. How the hell is that acceptable?
When exactly did any government of the UK allowed political parties with HQ in other state, with leaders representing constituencies in another state, and using funds raised in a different state, to openly and directly intervene in a referendum campaigning as if it was Business as Usual? Did we see any European political party or EU government for that matter, using the money raised in other EU countries to campaign against brexit by overtly muscling in during the EU referendum campaigning in the UK?
This is just another example of the state sponsored normalisation of Scotland being treated as a colony and their refusal to treat it as a functional democracy.
Seems to me all Politicians are the same. Most start off meaning well for the country, then they get a wee bit of power, they get seduced by that and the money, then they are in it for themselves and to hell with the morals.
Getting a bit rude round here – I wish people would stop calling sub-human anglo vermin scum – “orcs”
– these people cannot help what they are. Born that way. Anglo genes stunt the mind like thalidomide did the limbs, and also prevents the existence of a soul.
I think these redliners should [REDACT] themselves to [REDACT] and shove their [REDACTED] up their [REDACTIONS]
[REDACT] the [REDACT] [REDACT] up the [REDACT]
You’re confused, Confused.
And much the same colour as the hostage taking tunnel dwellers with the layers of their women and kids on top, and the more fancy ones fleeing in their private planes having sold out their country and people in exchange for their skin.
You don’t have to redact anything. The fear you have of expressing yourself openly and honestly is all in your head.
Just remember that a Scotland where you have to conceal what you think, won’t ever be worth fighting for. There’s nothing more likely to turn Scots off Indy than the sight of pro-Indy supporters bricking it from behind their keyboards.
So man up.
‘Reduce your enemy to less than human, then you’ll feel better when you’re exterminating them’ – wasn’t that a Nazi policy?
Bear in mind that the majority of Russian and North Korean young men being killed on the battlefields of Ukraine dont have a lot of choice about being there.
Cannon fodder. Its a crime against humanity in itself.
and in other news
massive infrastructure program for the western isles
link to archive.ph
– not OUR western isles, obviously, ya dumbass
in bold …
link to archive.ph
such levers do not exist for us
nice
– encourage all the carpetbaggers looking for a profit
link to archive.ph
stay in yir ain midden, southern trash
you can’t keep anything from the english
link to archive.ph
– they want everything
I see the usual suspects have now hijacked this thread to get onto their favourite themes – pro poot propaganda and antisemitic “gen0cide” stories.
Strange none of them want to mention the story currently running in the Turkish press. Poot’s buddie, Assad, allegedly sold details of the location of weapons stockpiles, missile-launch sites, military bases and other key infrastructure of Syria’s government forces to Jerus@lem, asking in return only the undamaged integrity of his yellow hide as he fled to Orcland.
Looks very much as if both sides kept the bargain.
Anybody want to wager on how long Assad will keep his yellow hide intact now? If he gets hangers on to open/close doors, never gets on a plane, and never goes above the ground floor in any building, I guess he could last for quite a long time in Orcland.
And if he avoids scooters! Another recent story the pro poot protagonists have blanked. Maybe they’re observing a week of mourning for the boy who really did get what was coming to him.
The international court of judice has already ruled there’s a case to answer for Gen-ocide.
They also issued a severe warning to any country providing weapons to cease & desist immediately or they will be in violation of the law.
Stop trying to claim it’s propaganda, ya plank. The whole world has the internet ya know.
On the plus side, there’s no statute of limitations on war criminals.
They can also add the charges of death threats to judges, illegal sanctions & perverting the course of justice to their long list of crimes.
There are moves to remove the maniacs from the UN. About time this was resolved.
Poor old Hatey – he’s never even heard of the ICC. Poor soul.
Of course I’ve heard of it. It’s the place that South Africa, on receipt of a bung for $10 million, lodged a “mischief” case on behalf of the Axis of Evil.
Here’s some other stuff I’ve heard:
“Countries that are not under the jurisdiction of the ICC: China, India, Pakistan, Indonesia and Turkey, have not signed the treaty. Others, including Isr@el, Egypt, Ir@n, and Orcland, have signed but have not ratified it.”
So, to summarise: The biggest countries and the most populous countries ignore the ICC. Two of the Axis of Evil, Ir@n and Orcland, which bribed South Africa to start the case, ignore the ICC as it would interfere with their own manifold human rights abuses.
Poor Marie. Just another useful idiot.
Just another insult. Your favourite brand is now a toxic entity. Keep crying those big salty tears.
I am sure Geri and other fans of ICC on this site will be delighted if I point out other notable arrest warrants issued by the court:
Prez V Putain of R Federation and Maria Lvova-Belova, who – according to the court – bear criminal responsibility for the unlawful deportation and transfer of U children from occupied areas of U to the R Federation, contrary to article 8(2)(a)(vii) and article 8(2)(b)(viii) of the Rome Statute.
Sergei Kobylash and Viktor Sokolov (of R Armed Forces) – ICC alleges they are each responsible for the war crime of directing attacks at civilian objects (article 8(2)(b)(ii) of the Rome Statute) and the war crime of causing excessive incidental harm to civilians or damage to civilian objects (article 8(2)(b)(iv) of the Rome Statute), etc. etc.
Minister of Defence of R Federation Sergei Shoigu and Valery Gerasimov, for the same crimes as Kobylash and Sokolov plus the crime against humanity of inhumane acts under article 7(1)(k) of the Rome Statute.
As Geri happily noted above, there’s no statute of limitations on war crimes.
Go ICC, go !!!
The judge had no evidence & issued those warrants under pressure from the West & Us version of events. The investigation is still ongoing.
Orphaned children removed from a war zone eh? Bastards!
While they’re in U, did he visit the 47 bio labs where U & USA has been dabbling in chemical/genetic & virus weapons & where they’re experimenting on children? Where are the children coming from?
Whut ?!? The infallible ICC got it wrong and bowed to political pressure ? But, but … that could mean that the ge***ocide charges are also exaggerated and a result of political pressure, as some unsavory characters claim. Say it ain’t so, Geri ! (I know you will)
There is stuff going on in those labs that would make the Nazis pale into insignificance.
Children (orphaned institutes) being deliberately knocked up in order to abort & provide body parts for experimentation & stem cell research .
Khan would have been wise to spend more time actually investigating those American funded institutions & orphanages than going after P on fake charges. He’s compiled a list of crimes against humanity & the UN is well aware there is something going on with that Clinton Foundation scam. Funny that Yahoo also had mass graves of *doctored* children with missing organs that they point blank refuse to allow UN investigators into.. preferring to murder them instead.
They’re working on biological warfare that will target mass birth defects to eradicate the ppl they don’t like..
It’s since came to light thats why P entered U. The 47 labs. He’d intel they were planning an attack. They’ve also just assassinated the chief investigator but it’s too late..the horrors are already in the public domain.
Geri, one of your best … I will not even comment on the particulars and just let the crazy light of your post shine
Well it’d certainly explain the madness of committing suicide, to the last man standing, for someone else’s psychotic war that doesn’t benefit them in any way. What other explanation is there to watch yer land get smaller & not care? LOL!
It’d also explain the current explosion of psychotic nutters who have absolutely no morals. A psychotic drug that makes them lose their shit & do unspeakable crimes like monsters. It wouldn’t be the first time either & WTF did U need 47 bio labs for? Funded by the Pentagon & cloaked in secrecy? The West lied they even existed until Nuland & the pentagon had to admit it to the senate to secure funding for U incase the Rs got to them first.
An ideal testing ground outside of NATO & the EU so not scrutinised as closely as they would otherwise be. And experiments are conducted on military personnel too with fatalities.
Macgregor knows what’s going on. None of it good. Go look him up. R does too & has mentioned it at the UN. It’ll all come out soon enough when this conflict is over.
BTW, those children are safe & well. They were removed from direct danger/ war zone.They’ve already found them alive & well. So, back to the Labs…has Khan had a lookie?
When Joe McCarthy had to make up a number, he chose 57. Easy to remember for him, because of Heinz.
When Terry Pratchett had to make up an answer he chose 42.
When ScotGov had to make up the number of Scottish genders, they chose 24. I find that easy to remember because it’s 42 reversed.
Why did you choose 47, Geri? IQ, or waist size (inches), perhaps?
Because that’s how many the cookie monster Nuland & the Pentagon admitted to having when confronted by their own senate to justify sending U more money. Psychotic nutters want resources. They don’t need humans. & Z, corrupt as fck, would just gather up humans off the street. Already emptied prisons, orphanages & care homes to the alarm of various charity organisations…
The Pentagon said on Thursday that it has operated 46 biolabs in U handling dangerous pathogens, after previously dismissing the charges as R propaganda.
China has joined calls for the United States to explain the role and capacity of the laboratories following the Pentagon’s stunning reversal after months of denial.
In March leaked papers appeared to suggest that its operations in U were sensitive while Kiev was reportedly blocked from public disclosure about the program.
According to a document signed between the two nations, U is obliged to transfer the dangerous pathogens to the U.S. Department of Defense for biological research.
Those who had raised concerns over the presence of the biolabs have been dismissed as conspiracy theorists and accused of regurgitating R disinformation.
But comments made by U.S. Deputy Secretary of state Victoria Nuland in March prompted further suspicions when she appeared to confirm the biological program, saying she feared the labs would “fall into R hands.”
China’s Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said on Friday that the U.S. must explain its activities and called on it to stop “single-handedly opposing the establishment of a verification mechanism for the Biological Weapons Convention (BWC).
“As I stressed time and again, the U.S. conducts more bio-military activities than any other country in the world.
“Moreover, the U.S. is the only country opposing the establishment of a verification mechanism for the BWC.
“The international community has long had concerns over this. Recently, R has further revealed the U.S.’ bio-military activities in U and raised clearly that the US has violated the BWC.
“According to the stipulations of the BWC, the U.S. is under an obligation to provide clarifications on R allegation so as to restore the international community’s confidence in the U.S.’s compliance,” he said.
Washington denies R claims that it has experimented on humans after it was alleged that testing of pathogens was carried out on psychiatric patients from Kharkiv.
The United States has been accused of engaging in biological warfare in the past.
Late Cuban leader Fidel Castro claimed that its operatives had introduced swine fever and dengue fever into the country, with a previously unknown strain of the latter created in a laboratory.
The aim was to create “the largest number of victims possible,” he said.
Former Daily Worker (U.K.) international correspondent Alan Winnington and Australian journalist Wilfred Burchett were accused of treason and had their passports canceled after exposing the U.S. biological war in Korea in the 1950s.
Despite the denials, an International Scientific Commission headed by Cambridge University’s Professor Joseph Needham concluded that China and North Korea had been subjected to bacteriological weapons.
Someone needs to stop these psychopaths.
– incredible that genocidal monsters via the miracle of PR and psychological operations, transformed themselves into perpetual victims
link to x.com
link to archive.ph
link to archive.ph
“cries out in pain, even as he strikes you”
45,000 dead is nae a “gen0cide” Confused.
600,000 dead in Syria. 6,000,000 driven into exile.
Even that wasn’t a “gen0cide” Confused.
As you are hopefully going to find out soon, by the trivially simple expedient of releasing around 100 hostages, dead or alive, the humous boys will end the war, just as they could have ended the war a year ago by doing the exact same thing.
Never in the history of the world has a true “gen0cide” been ended by handing over 100 hostages.
Survivors of real “gen0cides” would laugh you to scorn, Confused.
Why not try some of the openness and honesty Scotland needs. State that what is really gripping you is that the side that you favour isn’t going to win the war. Explain why a victory in the war for the side you favour is important to Scotland and to Indy.
State why the side you oppose winning the war is bad for Scotland and will hinder the progress of Indy.
It shouldn’t be that difficult for you to spell this all out, clearly and logically.
I don’t know of any Scots, or Brits, that have been struck by the side you oppose.
The side you favour, though, that’s a completely different story, as we all know.
re. “45,000 dead is nae a “gen0cide” Confused”…
Wikipedia: List of gen*cides in reverse chronological order:
This list only considers acts which are recognised in significant scholarship as gen*cides.
G*za gen*cide: G*za Strip, Pa***tine 2023 Present:
Proportion of group killed:
Lowest: 43,972; Highest: 186,000”:
link to tinyurl.com
Thanks for your response, gregor.
“by the trivially simple expedient of releasing around 100 hostages, dead or alive, the humous boys will end the war”
For reasons transparently obvious to most, if not all, you failed to address my point above.
What does Wiki say about other “gen0cides” then? Were they all ended by the victims releasing 100 hostages? Or did they end when the victims were so reduced in numbers, the law of diminishing returns kicked in?
Anyway, you paint an attractive picture of our future Independent Scotland’s defence posture. At the first sign of hostility, our “brave fighters” will retreat into tunnels with a few kidnapped teenage lassies for entertainment, pile our women and kids on top, and scweam “gen0cide”, hoping against hope somebody (ROI?, humous?) will come to our rescue.
That’s not something I’m ever going to be able to get behind, gregor, sorry. I aspire to Scotland and the Scots being a hell of a lot better than that.
Gen-ocide isn’t defined by how many are dead you absolute fcking rocket..
It’s the deliberate & willful extermination of an entire ppl.
It’s even stated in the UN charter or go find a dictionary.
Those maniacs are a threat to world peace. They break international law, REPEATEDLY. They take land that isn’t theirs, REPEATEDLY. They kill for fun, REPEATEDLY. They starve ppl, REPEATEDLY & they have broken thousands of UN resolutions & SC instructions, REPEATEDLY. They commit terrorist acts, REPEATEDLY. They’re anti social fuckwits who don’t get along well with others, REPEATEDLY . They think they’re above the law, REPEATEDLY.
& Just to remind you, “humous boys” are in their own fucking lands. The aggressor doesn’t get to invade, oppress, blow shit up, burn ppl alive & bomb – then play victim crying they’ve a right to defend themselves. FACT.
As clearly expressed by the judge at the ICJ hearing. Go brush up on facts eh?
& Now they’ve expanded yet again, into yet two more sovereign states & destroying everything in its path. I’m hoping that’s a massive ploy to run down ammo before the real fun begins.
You must be mentally ill if you think that is acceptable behaviour. It wasn’t in WW2 but now suddenly because they’re doing it it’s okay.
You’re REPEATING yourself, Geri.
Why are you still here anyway? I thought you were off to Belfast to tell the locals NI is not a country.
Whassa matter, Geri? Reality breaking through into even your reinforced concrete-lined silo of ignorance?
‘Rocket’ lol
What counts as a genocide?
Killing members of the group. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group.
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction, in whole or in part.
?Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group.
Its nothing to do with numbers.
It was the head honcho Orc Stalin who famously said:
“a single death is a tragedy, a million deaths are a statistic”
I mention him because the Orcs are a favourite of some of the regulars on here. It’s likely a few of them are still pining for the second most successful mass killer of the 20th century. In their eyes he “meant well” and thus all is forgiven.
But I digress. You obviously feel that a “gen0cide” is a war where the side you favour is not winning.
Why don’t you address my other point?
“by the trivially simple expedient of releasing around 100 hostages, dead or alive, the humous boys will end the war”
Is it because it’s so embarassingly obvious it leaves you without a leg to stand on?
There was an interesting documentary on the other day about the deliberate psychological operation to have Germans in a perpetual state of self flagellation over Nazi Germany & where all this woke shit originated.
Trouble is, the Germans have so many immigrants that couldn’t give a shiny shite to partake in all of their rituals & now they’re getting upset & totalitarian all over again…lol..
It would be in the interest of the Union for unionists to support the Salmond case given the chaos it will deliver. The more they hide what they did the worse it will look when it does come out. Swinney will have to explain the redaction at every level and ultimately everyone knows who they are anyway which is even funnier. The unionists can string this out and lay it on thick.
Honest John will have the humiliation as Sturgeon will have disappeared overseas by then.
If you submit an ROI (Redaction of Information) request. will that give you all the hidden information?
Limogate Oh Limogate
I see those bright lights calling
I love those big wheels rolling
I blame my friends
When I think of Limogate
Limogate Oh Limogate
I grab those freebies flowing
And in style I’m arriving
But the price
Who pays for Limogate
Here’s a recent quote from Farage:
““Politics is about to change in the most astonishing way. Newcomers will win the next election.”
He’s talking about WM, Reform, and probably England only.
Nevertheless, what he says applies equally in Scotland. The system is clearly broken, and revolutionary new political movements are needed to put things back together in a re-arrangement that works for most people.
If the Indy movement can’t get its act together pronto, then it’s going to be Reform in Scotland too.
As I’ve previously mentioned here, even Scotland – just like pretty much everywhere else in Europe and the US – will very likely experience a significant lurch to the Right (as per Stu’s recent piece of course). It’s one of those profound moments in history where a Great Reset is, or will shortly be occurring, for lots of reasons for those with eyes to see with. Good.
(No doubt much gnashing of teeth from the resident lefties but there we are. Deal with it).
It’s quite something for me to agree with you Grendel and Cokey McCokeHeid. 100%
It isn’t interesting times ahead.
It’s dread man, truly dread.
Lol. Well, a busted clock is right twice a day.
Ha ha.
Very good Grendel.
But you and the Cokester are correct.
Reform will take swathes of votes from both the Tories and Labour in England.
The first election is for Holyrood next year. No doubt the SNP will benefit from Labours disasterous tenure so far to be the largest party but no majority.
I think Reform could edge Labour into second place with the Tories more or less wiped out.
Could be wrong though, and we’ve yet to see if the MSM want to put the boot into Farage.
It’s worth noting that Farage comes from Huguenot stock and has a genetic chip on both shoulders.
“But you and the Cokester are correct.”
So good of you to approve, it’s veritably made my day.
Now, carry on playing with your beads and buttons collection.
You just can’t help yourself, can you Grendel?
Ah well, I guess it must be a Yoon thing.
Merry Christmas Grendel.
In this time of dread, a new Brahan Seer stalks the land. Woooooo …
How else can the gifted one know he agrees with a post of mine he has never read?
“Scroll on by” – wasn’t that his rule?
Didn’t you know, everyone is right wing now? Along with being a terrorist & a R apologist.
The reason there’ll be a reset is because the cloak of democracy has finally been revealed to be fake. People are sick of electing eejits who then go off & do their own thing despite the public backlash. Or in the case of recent various European countries elections – point blank refuse to fuck off & try bribe others to form a fucked up mash up of coalitions that hate each other to try cling to power.
That’s not a lurch to the right – that’s just seeing common sense & the absolute shit show of cretins revealing who they really serve, the Americans & NATO, & not the country they were elected to serve.
There is some (limited) truth in what you say, but the germane point is all the utter BS “baggage” that comes with the Left – wokeism, identity politics, endless spaffing of vast (borrowed) money on stuff most (working) people disagree with. There is, most certainly, a Left/Right political dimension/basis to this, much as people such as yourself find it very difficult to face up to, as your entire decades-long, moribund political belief system comes crashing down before your very eyes. (Life’s like that sometimes).
The practical reality is that right wing parties abhor most of the things I mention – by default. Which, in the light of what people have been living through these last few years, in this absurd dystopia, makes them very attractive. Long overdue, bring it on.
You don’t get it.
Those policies the left abhor too. But unless you have a ticket to Epsteins island, where this woke shite comes from amongst the world banking wanking perverted elite gather, then yer up shit creek without a paddle.
It’s not the left who introduced this shite. It’s a directive from on high. The IMF are even forcing African nations to adopt the pronoun policies or they’ll withhold investment & funds until they do.
& if you want further proof just look to Orban who is refusing. Can’t get more right than him – they’re withholding funding, fucking up his energy supply & threatening to kick him out the EU as well as take him to court along with noising up some regime change.
He’ll be a sex pest next. They don’t like disobedience.
The left are also a distraction – the Greens are useful idiots who have proven themselves authoritarian fuckwits lured by pig pharma bribery to be useful idiots…
Greens, Tory, Reform, SNP, Labour etc etc..it doesn’t matter. They all sing from the same hymn sheet & do not serve their voters.
When was the last time Labour could be considered socialist & a workers party? The SNP an independence party or the Tories a party on maintaing traditional values? The Greens are a fecking joke, when did they last care about the environment?
Orban is ostracised *now*, yes. But do you expect that to continue apace, if, say, the EU major states were governed from the Hard Right, as Italy already is? What then?
Again, as I have previously mentioned, it’s clearly wrong to consider mere static snapshots in time, especially during periods tumultuous political change and upheaval, which we’re clearly living in right now. It is the *direction of travel* that’s important, and to me at least, that is abundantly clear. How could it not be?
I dunno if you’ve noticed but Meloni has been firmly put in her box.
She wanted to join BRICS. Told she couldn’t.
She wants to trade with China, who they have a historical link to, she’s been told she can’t.
She wants to trade with the Global South, she’s been told she can’t.
She doesn’t want involved in Americas proxy war – watch this space.
Europe has discovered it’s been colonised.
I’m happy to concede Meloni has been “domesticated” by the EU for now. But as I keep repeating, that realpolitik which is valid today won’t necessarily remain so – in fact it’s odds-on for massive (short term) change.
That being the case, all bets are off – and the direction of (political) travel is all too clear.
The Left have really done it this time, here cometh the whirlwind. Good.
What’s the right gonnie dae? Tell America & Yahoo tae GTF? Good luck with that. They’ll be left without a pot to piss in…
Fits “pig pharma bribery”, Geri?
You cannae just introduce these novel and intriguing ideas into Wings BTL, then leave us all in the dark about them.
Yes, I’m well aware of those proponents of the Left leaving the sinking ship in their droves, loudly protesting that identity politics and wokeism (and all the things they entail) was “nothing to do with them, honest guv’nor”…
The Left is adept (or so it thinks) at Revisionism, but people ain’t as stupid as they seem to think. The rest of us know fine well where (and from whom) this absurd political cul-de-sac has come from, and it ain’t “Epstein’s island” (lol).
Own it. All of it. Enjoy.
Don’t be stupid.
The left, for example, don’t have the authority to suspend people’s bank accounts for not slavishly following the TRA ideology.
Something this site owner fell victim to along with frog face.
It’s feck all to do with left, right or polkadot. It’s a directive.
But consider this. The mighty Tories have been in power all this time. Why didn’t they knock the TRA shit on the head? Why didn’t they stop this shit entering the school curriculum or heath, military , police & prison services?
They mysteriously stepped back & let it all happen. Those bastions of family values & law & order.
They didn’t lift a finger…
You think frog face will make a stand? Hahahaha!
You do have a point, yes. I can’t defend the Tories’ inaction, and they have paid a heavy political price. (The way things look to me, total wipeout and oblivion looks quite possible).
Whether said inaction was down to shadowy dark international forces – or simply a lack of backbone and fear of PR backlash – it doesn’t really matter. In the long run, it has made the big political reset all the more probable and profound, even though they won’t be the ones doing it. Ironic.
CC, while I agree the Tories should have done more to oppose it, the fact is that of the Tories MPs who voted, more voted against GRA 2004, and in Holyrood, most Tories voted against GRR 2022.
They were the only major party not lockstep in favor of these.
Gloriana
It’s called Whipping the vote and party political collective responsibility.
Party leaders are completely to blame and those Tories (unwhipped) who voted for it share in the shame, notwithstanding which they stand as having had a double dunk in the barrel of iniquity.
Stop agitating here by repeating the crap spouted by the Express, Mail and Spectator comics..
I’m not going to go into specifics here, but in broad terms “the Left” has hitherto wielded huge power over both individuals and corporations, being forced/coerced into compliance with an increasingly absurd, counter-reality on pain of money, careers, even lives. It’s “stupid” to even deny this.
As ever, the increasingly shrill, vocal, inflexible Left has overplayed its hand, and hence an unstoppable chain of events has now been initiated.
& you’ll discover they too will fold like a cheap suit & start doing as their handlers tell them.
News just in, that includes woke shite & immigration.
Well, we shall see, Geri, won’t we?
Me? I’m an optimist. I’m also thinking that the Right tends to attract people who’ve actually worked in the private sector, probably run a business or two, and therefore has a clue. (Specifically in this case, someone who can read the room and isn’t so stupid as to make the same crass mistakes as the last bunch of buffoons).
Anything is an improvement IMO.
Does Frog face now have a hotline to the World Bank & the IMF? The world bank has a permanent yank & the IMF has a permanent EU member as head.
They set policy. Austerity max & immigration are two of their favourite weapons of choice.
Reform will reform fck all but reform the NHS finally out the door to America. Especially when they spend more time cavorting with war criminals in a foreign country than they do in the parliament that actually elected them.
We don’t need revolutionary new political movements. We need responsible adults. We most definitely do not need any more flag waving and rants. The fear factor is kicking in. Baaad Reform Baa Baa. Does anyone here seriously expect the Scottish electorate to even consider an Indy party. We want politicians who work. Work for the people not Woke for the people coz they and their chums think we need progress. Jesus H Christ.
Another Company that thinks they own Scotland. Small boats have been on the Clyde for Centuries and now Peel Ports think they own the River Clyde
link to change.org
“Humza Yousaf insists he wants to ‘make contribution on the global stage’ after quitting as MSP”
Well it is pantomime season.
Oh No it isn’t!
It’s behind you.
Looks like corrupt BBC rebel took my advice (after 78> complaints over the issue/threatening to ban me from its complaints system) re. HTS = UN/US/UK/EU designated terrorist group…
Fake BBC News: Syria not a threat to world, rebel leader Ahmed al-Sharaa tells BBC:
“The de facto leader of Syria, Ahmed al-Sharaa, has said the country is exhausted by war and is not a threat to its neighbours or to the West…
It is designated as one by the UN, US, EU and UK, among many others, as it started as a splinter group of al-Qaeda, which it broke away from in 2016.
Sharaa said HTS was not a terrorist group…
Sharaa said the countries were very different, with different traditions. Afghanistan was a tribal society. In Syria, he said, there was a different mindset.”:
link to archive.ph
UN: The de facto authority in Syria is a designated terrorist group:
As recently as July 2024, the monitoring team of this committee wrote a report in which they said that HTS is the predominant terrorist group in northwestern Syria…
What effect has the listing of HTS as a terrorist organization had on its activities?
They are subject to three sanction measures: asset freeze, a travel ban and an arms embargo. This means that, internationally, all Member States are expected to comply with these measures.”:
link to archive.ph
Wikipedia: Timber Sycamore:
“Timber Sycamore was a classified weapons supply and training program run by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and supported by the United Kingdom and some Arab intelligence services, including Saudi intelligence. The aim of the program was to remove Syrian president Bashar al-Assad from power.
…raised concerns about seizure of weaponry by Islamist groups and about Timber Sycamore-backed rebels fighting alongside the Al-Qaeda-affiliated Al-Nusra Front and its allies.”:
link to archive.ph
Washington Institute: The Role of Syrian Tribes:
“Northeastern Syria is often described as a “clan-based society” due to its large number of Arab tribes. These tribes are transnational, extending beyond Syria’s borders to include Jordan, Iraq, and the Gulf. Until recently, analysis of the Syrian uprising often prioritized the sectarian dimension over the tribal one. Yet the Syrian revolution first broke out in Daraa, a mostly tribal region, and the revolution has had a major impact on Syrian tribal structure, albeit a mostly negative one. The conflict has done much to tear apart Arab tribes…”:
link to archive.ph
They’re busy executing Christians & the Americans couldn’t give a shit. He’s on their payroll.
Out media really are loyal Muppets..
re. “Out media really are loyal Muppets”
Reality shows that BBC rebel is brazenly lying to our faces while glorifying de facto terrorists –
I’ve told BBC rogue that its unprecedented disinformation/terrorist shilling will be fully exposed in public and that it is welcome to join the public discussion.
Ahmed al-Sharaa is on the USA’s list of terrorists, with a $10 million bounty on his head.
It is a felony to assist a known terrorist, you go to jail, yet the CIA are happy to “assist” putting a known beheading type lunatic in charge of Syria, despite his ISIS and anti-US roots. Talk about withering hypocrisy!!!
And all because the Z1onists and the Vassal USA wanted rid of Assad, and still want rid of 1ran.
If I was Pootin or Xi Jinp1ng, I would no more trust the West to act honourably, with appropriate morality and humanity, than I would trust a stadium of WW2 N@zis.
The entire Western “regime” needs an urgent purge of all illicit Z1onist “influence” and financial chicanery, or at the very least, establish in broad daylight the full extent of it’s infiltration, illicit influence, and muderous intent.
At the risk of being branded a conspiracy theorist, that whole disgusting business of Epstein’s island had its origins in securing evidence and “influence” over prominent people of dubious morality. You really thought it was about paed0philia?
Don’t think this doesn’t effect you. This “influence” has an insatiable greed, and is in large part responsible for the de-industialisation of the West, public owned assets sold, and Western Economies becoming Service led, typically with Financial “Services”. The West doesn’t go to war with tanks and soldiers anymore, but storms the beaches with sanctions, embargos, and financing of coups and political instability. The only people doing well out of war are the NeoLiberals arming both sides.
You are a victim. Look at the cost of your mortgage and grossly over-inflated value of your house, the orchestrated housing shortages propping up ridiculous prices through inflated demand, while delivering stick-built garbage at eye watering cost with a built-in obsolecence and 50-60 year design life. Its the same NeoLiberal control of everything. Give me all your money for this worthless trinket.
In Scotland? Raise a glass to Inverclyde, which has just given consent to demolish 15 traditional tenement blocks of stone build property, 138 flats, for the grand prize of £400k. It should make you weep. Let me guess, they’re dangerous… or some other horseshit excuse.
Just imagine a Scotland in energy surplus, with a non-profit Energy provider empowering people to heat their homes cheaply, and more importantly, heat them properly, so they weren’t rotten with condensation and mould, and could remain prestigious, comfortable, well built social housing we could all be proud of. The destruction of Scotland’s traditional housing stock is an absolute scam, and don’t let anybody tell you otherwise.
Who needs the “R” to go to war with us? Our Industry and housing is already under sustained and wanton destruction by our own greedy NeoLiberal parasites.
Oh yeah, … And a Happy New Year!
“Just imagine a Scotland in energy surplus…”
There’s no need to imagine…
Currently using 3.3GW, and still managing to export 4.6GW.
link to extranet.nationalenergyso.com
And those figures don’t include curtailment of which a significant amount will be occurring in Scotland’s geographic area.
link to wind-curtailment-app-ahq7fucdyq-lz.a.run.app
https://renewables-map.robinhawkes.com
Great stuff Dan.
Do you think it is incorrect for the mainly foreign owned companies to secure a return on their investment? After all they put up hundreds of millions of pounds, if not billions, in getting to where they are today. The fact that they can export any surplus makes sound business sense to me.
The thing is, if Scotland were Independent, nothing would change.
Of course, Scotland could simply nationalise all these companies as we have hundreds of billions lying about doing nothing.
The ship has sailed……………unlike the ferries!
The issues I have with the current UK energy setup are that there’s a balance between securing a return of investment and excessive profiteering.
Plus seeing as London Rule has facilitated so much of UK energy infrastructure to be owned by foreign (some times state) interests, it means that the profits from energy sold here often raises revenues that benefit the foreign countries more than it benefits the UK.
I’d like unionists to explain why this situation is good for the UK.
Plus there should be a decoupling of price between fossil fuel and renewable generated energy. That there isn’t just stitches up the market.
I could actually go off grid and generate the leccy I use cheaper than I can buy it from the grid. That’s a farcical situation in an energy rich geographic area.
The recent ScotWind auction giveaways on top of existing infrastructure have the potential to generate far more energy than we could ever theoretically use in Scotland.
The grid infrastructure is not being developed at a quick enough rate to cope with the new generation infrastructure.
If you look at that curtailment site I linked to you can see the cost to the taxpayer of paying energy generators not to produce power is over 3/4 of a billion quid this year.
I’m not seeing adequate scrutiny of what is being proposed.
Look at all these BESS sites popping up. 30 to 40 million quid for a 100MW 200MWh storage capacity that would exhaust itself within a few hours in a no wind scenario. A completely no wind scenario is unlikely and with our current generation capacity we haven’t endured grid black out.
On very rare occasions Scotland does import a relatively small amount of leccy from England. But you have to remember that England produce a lot of its power through combined cycle gas turbine power stations, which will be burning gas from Scotland. And as 65% of UK gas production is situated in Scottish geographic area (even with those 6000 miles stolen…) and we only make up 10% of UK population.
link to data.nationalgas.com
It’s another farcical situation that we don’t even have one CCGT power generation station in Scotland. Plus soon nae refinery. when 96% of UK oile fields are in Scottish geographic area, meaning England has 4% of oil fields and 5 refineries…
That makes no sense and the loss of jobs is a real blow for Scottish families.
link to barrheadboy.com
We should be using way more leccy as economies of scale and basic physics say it is much more beneficial to the environment than clagging a load of shitey illegally loud ASHPs and solar PV on highly compromised properties.
Everything would change with Scotland returning to self-governance as we would then having all the powers necessary to better manage our own economic levers.
Them that hold the energy, hold the world to ransom & we all know who the energy monster & control freak is…
“there should be a decoupling of price between fossil fuel and renewable generated energy. That there isn’t just stitches up the market”
Not sure where you’re going with that one, Dan, but if there were a decoupling, fossil fuels being so much cheaper than renewables, there would be no “push” towards green energy at all.
Quite the contrary in fact. Every ordinary Scot has cottoned on to the hyper-expensive con that is green energy, and is well aware that the so-called “third world” economies, hooked on cheap fossil fuels, are outperforming our virtue-signalling greenwashed ones.
Decoupling is very difficult to do, simply because energy is fungible, with electricity being the most fungible of the lot. So, if you allow two sources of electricity in the market place, with artificially pegged different prices, then the demand for the cheaper will rise until it outstrips supply, pushing the price up, while demand for the more expensive will fall, pushing the price down.
Before we know it, the price of both will meet in the middle, exactly as it is now.
Incidentally, there was a period in November, a month of remarkable calm and overcast, when UK renewable generation fell to around 5%. In order to avoid power cuts when we get to Net Zero, simple maths tells us that the UK will have to install 20 times as much renewable infrastructure as it currently has.
At the same time, over in Germany, the weather caused them to max out on importing foreign electricity, much of it from Norway, which had the effect (electricity is fungible remember) of pushing up prices steeply for Norwegian consumers.
So there is now a call in Norway for them to destroy the interconnectors to foreign countries.
What makes you so confident that an Independent Scotland, living fat on the export of our renewable electricity, wouldn’t be subject to the same storms of market and weather related forces?
It’s about self-sufficiency and resilience, and paying a reasonable price for our energy.
Scotland had little benefit from oil and gas due to London Rule mismanagement. So far renewables look to be going the same way.
But other countries without significant energy resources somehow manage to get by.
And on that note I see you’ve gone hunting around abroad to find examples of issues arising to use, when their circumstances and needs are very different to Scotland’s.
That’s the point of independence, you aren’t so beholden to what manipulated economic pish is going on elsewhere.
I get that you jist can’t let go of your UK apron strings to mother England that you seem so overly clingy to, and don’t want to be stuck in the dark because London Rule has overseen such a crap energy policy for the UK.
There are plenty articles out on the internet on the subject of decoupling renewable and fossil fuel derived energy prices.
Could just levy a carbon tax on it like the emissions vehicle excise rates have. Cleaner generation of leccy is incentivised over dirtier generation. How was it that leccy prices went up when gas prices went up. The leccy generation infrastructure was already in place and selling leccy at a rate that was presumably covering the cost of returning the investment to install the infrastructure. Or did the cost of the infrastructure miraculously and retrospectively get dearer.
Aye, we’ve all had that time when we bought a bottle of wine for 8 quid, then when we got home the shop contacted us and told us the market had changed and it was now worth more so could we drop back in to the shop and give them an extra 3 quid. John Show me the money / Bastard taxes Main is the only Scottish person that said, okay, I’ll pop along the noo…
In the scheme of things Scotland is already incredibly “green”, but our eco stats are dragged down by England.
You regularly point out that it’s getting too expensive to extract oil and gas from Scotland’s geographic area, even though there are still new fields being developed…
But for discussion, lets say oil companies listen to you and close down production. Where is all this cheap fossil fuel going to come from then. Because if it ain’t from the UK you’re going to have to buy it in and be beholden to the price foreign producers will sell it to us at. Plus our purchasing power will be less as our currency will be all the weaker if UK loses our oil production revenues.
Jim Rogers explains this.
link to youtube.com
If I drop the suggestion of decoupling generation price and leave it as it is, can you please address the other details I mention in the post.
You have all the answers and never short of time for a post or two, so it would be braw if you can explain the benefits of the current setup. I’m sure Chas will be interested too seeing as he agreed with much of the points in my previous post.
“There are plenty articles out on the internet on the subject of decoupling renewable and fossil fuel derived energy prices”
Maybe you could link to one. I know Germany was talking about trying to do that when The War started. Did they ever succeed? I’m looking for real-world examples, not academic proposals.
“How was it that leccy prices went up when gas prices went up”
I thought I explained that energy is fungible.
“did the cost of the infrastructure miraculously and retrospectively get dearer”
Scottish hydro was more or less fully paid off 50 years ago. All the hydro schemes need PA is a skeleton maintenance crew. Yet the energy generated is sold at the same price as the most expensive. Fungibility again.
“lets say oil companies listen to you and close down production”
That’s not me at all. I’m in the “drill, baby, drill” camp. I thought I had made that clear.
I have seen through the greenwash, and I’ve seen how we are going to end up as we chase the Net Zero phantasm, selling everything we own to the Covid Spreaders because they’ve cornered the market in solar panels, batteries and electric vehicles, all manufactured using cheap energy from coal, gas and oil.
We should get back to fossil fuels, and leave the Covid Spreaders with umpteen billions of useless, unsellable green technology that outside of the west, especially Europe, nobody wants.
“London Rule has overseen such a crap energy policy for the UK”
Not disputing this. Worth mentioning though that Edinburgh rule has resulted in Scotland being worse than the rest of the UK, by setting the Net Zero target 5 years earlier. And that’s why Grangemouth is closing before the other UK refineries.
“It’s about self-sufficiency and resilience, and paying a reasonable price for our energy”
Indeed, and that’s complicated, Dan, sorry.
Take self-sufficiency and resilience. What capacity of infrastructure is needed when on a good day (plenty wind) the energy generation might be 20 times what it might be on a bad day (flat calm)?
What should we do on a good day with all the surplus energy? Sell it on, or waste it? What should we then do on a bad day if a potential customer insists they need a dependable supply (industrial processes can’t be stopped and started at random). Push up the price to our own people (as Norway does), or just cut some of our own people off?
There’s no way Scotland will ever have self-sufficiency and resilience, let alone reasonable prices, on renewables. We will always need a sizeable base load capacity, and surrounded by oil and gas (still) and with centuries of coal under us, we need a Scottish Government that will start to see sense.
There can be no prosperity for the masses without cheap energy for the masses. We knew that once, we forgot it, and we will have to painfully re-learn it all over again.
The only way you can pay a reasonable price for energy is to become a furry until May is oot.
See my earlier posts.
It’s about all we can do at the moment being that in 2014 we voted NO and gave the UK Gov. ‘carte blanche’ to do what they like with Scotland.
I would not necessarily say I agreed or disagreed with ‘much of the points in my previous post’.
It is simply that I do not have the expertise to argue one way or the other. Unlike some on here, I know my limitations and stick to subjects where I know I have the knowledge to contribute. Of only some others would do the same. Please note that this is not a ‘dig’ at you Dan.
I cannot argue with the majority of what you have written.
However, ‘Everything would change with Scotland returning to self-governance as we would then having all the powers necessary to better manage our own economic levers’
I would be interested to learn of who you see as being able to do just that? .The SNP with their track record? If not them, who?
To my mind this is where the whole idea of Independence sadly falls apart. An honest competent Government is necessary. Where is it?.
Where is the UKs competent government? Can you even point to one in its past?
You’re a special kind of Dumbo aren’t you?
Somewhere, deep in the cogs of your mind, you think Scotland must produce accounts, full blue prints & ALL future political parties for your fucking perusal before independence is even viable in your wee world.
In the meantime, the UK & it’s binfire at selling everything off & making you dependent for life on external countries who can switch it all off at a moments notice, are just fucking smashing eh?
The UK is circling the U bend. It’s heading for an almighty crash they’re predicting will be worse than the great depression. Why? Cause no one is buying their debts anymore. The period of just printing money is over…
Scotland, on the other hand, owes nobody.
Another fact free, foul mouthed rant from the ignoramus.
I am dependent on nobody but myself and doing rather well actually.
There is a proverb or a quote which states ‘a little knowledge is a dangerous thing as it can lead to individuals thinking that they are more ‘experienced’ or ‘expert’ than they are in reality’.
Now it could be successfully argued that you don’t possess any knowledge at all but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. However you clearly have a misplaced but very high opinion of yourself, your knowledge and your abilities. Unfortunately your views will not be shared by many, other than those of the unhappy ‘Happy Club’ which are found on Wings.
I personally shy away from subjects where I have little knowledge or experience. I think this is the correct way to go. You, on the other hand, for some unknown reason, think you are an expert in just about everything. It is a mystery to me and probably a good few others why you would think that!
A bit of advice- especially stay well clear of matters on finance/economics. Your ignorance could be embarrassing to a normal person, which you obviously are not. Maybe it’s the drink or the meds?
Yuletide felicitations.
You being dependent on no one means fck all when foreign owned utilities decide to cut yer energy & utilities, ya rocket. No one here is talking about you personally so stop over compensating with yer fake credentials.
As an example & for the benefit of thickos, the EU has sanctioned R gas, in response R will not be renewing it’s contract at all now – okay, Einstein, where’s yer Gas coming from now – you know, you being big & brave & dependent on no one? America? & If they decide to revert to type & either hog it all, or worse, impose kiddy fiddling laws in return, then whatcha gonna do? Call the world police? Burn twenty quids?
Every single country should be self sufficient, ya dullard. Not give it to their neighbours for FREE like some fcking space cadet..
Your ignorant responses simply confirm that I am correct in my assumptions.
Your last paragraph is breathtaking in it’s stupidity.
You being dependent on no one means fck all when foreign owned utilities decide to cut yer energy & utilities. No one here is talking about you personally so stop over compensating with yer fake credentials.
As an example, & for the benefit of thickos, the EU has sanctioned R gas, in response R will not be renewing it’s contract at all now – okay, Einstein, where’s yer Gas coming from now – you know, you being big & brave & dependent on no one? America? & If they decide to revert to type & either hog it all, or worse, impose kiddy fiddling laws in return, then whatcha gonna do? Call the world police? Burn twenty quids?
Every single country should be self sufficient in its own energy security. Not give it to their neighbours for FREE like an eejit..
You don’t seem to have much faith in Scotland or the Scots.
Why should you when we voted NO in 2014?
Can I ask you where is
‘the honest competent Government’ necessary to govern a devolved Scotland?
Maybe if you answer that question you will find the answer to your question regarding an independent Scotland.
seems reasonable to understand this as an entrenched element of population which has no sense of responsibility/loyalty (not sure of best word) to other citizens (degraded to ‘subjects’). This afflicts England as well as Scotland.
There was that George Osborne promoting the development of Chinese power. Who can show evidence of his concern for any part of these islands?
The neoliberals and any others following the same ‘economic’ ideas are the most dangerous of all religious cults, ever. It seems to have started in Austria and, later, been developed at some ‘university’ in Chicago propounded by an unethical little individual who epitomised the problem.
Reading ‘the shock doctrine’ by Naomi Klein was a handy outline for many aspects of the trouble we are in.
I don’t fully understand what you are saying Jay.
Are you suggesting this site should change it’s name to ‘Wings Over the UK’?
Or may the best solution would be to call it ‘Wings Over the Whole World’
If it were called ‘Wings Over the Whole World’ there would be no complains about any ‘wanging’
Just out of interest what is the ‘past participle’ of the verb ‘to wing’
Could it be ‘wang’. That would be perfect
wing, winged, wang.
Life should be wonderful for Scotland’s people/humanity (and will be) –
NWO and its unmitigated criminals have failed, miserably.
Cheers, and Happy New Normal…
Thus spake Breeks:
“It’s all the fault of the Dews”
You keep saying it so it must be true.
The SNP’s female Ian Gray – you’d this this lot of self-serving treacherous bast*rds would keep their heads down after the shit they’ve pulled.
“Justice Secretary Angela Constance and a close family member were taken to the Old Firm League Cup final in a chauffeur-driven government car.
The minister enjoyed the perk two days before rules were introduced clamping down on relatives using ministerial limos. Family and friends can only now travel in a government car with a minister when it is “clearly in the public interest” or on an “exceptional basis”.”
Bit like the saying from decades ago about an African republic, “They stopped the gravy train just long enough to climb aboard themselves.”
Some of the rats are fleeing the sinking ship – before they are questioned.
First Minister John Swinney is facing calls to make a parliamentary statement after the government received a rebuke from the Scottish Information Commissioner.
” BLiS called on Swinney to explain his role after the commissioner wrote a letter to John Paul Marks, the country’s most senior civil servant. “
Pressure on John Swinney to make parliamentary statement after Information Commissioner rebuke
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“Scotland’s most senior civil servant is to quit his post in the new year, it has been announced.
John-Paul Marks, currently permanent secretary to the Scottish Government, has been named as the incoming head of HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC).”
John-Paul Marks to exit Scottish Government for HMRC
First Minister John Swinney is facing calls to make a parliamentary statement after the government received a rebuke from the Scottish Information Commissioner.
” BLiS called on Swinney to explain his role after the commissioner wrote a letter to John Paul Marks, the country’s most senior civil servant. “
“Scotland’s most senior civil servant is to quit his post in the new year, it has been announced.
John-Paul Marks, currently permanent secretary to the Scottish Government, has been named as the incoming head of HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC).”
59% Yes to Scotland being an independent Republic. 54% Yes to independence with a monarchy.
This is very interesting from a Norstat poll question asked by Believe in Scotland i.e. Gordon Macintyre-Kemp.
Are you sure it wasn’t asked by “Make-Believe in Scotland”, sarah ?
At some point, even Indy supporters have got to laugh at this Indy “we got to have a plan” charade.
Gordon MacIntyre-Kemp recently wrote that “we need a plan” for Indy, despite the Indy forces having had 30+ years to come up with “a plan,” and (according to M-K) have failed to do so.
Take 300+ years of shite & don’t do that.
There ya go, there’s the plan.
Were you as dismayed & gnashing teeth when Brexit didn’t have a plan? No, I bet you weren’t fussed.
As the ICJ recently stated over Palestine – it’s not the job of colonisers to insist on a plan of how they’ll manage themselves. It’s none of their fucking business.
Excellent news, Sarah, confirming what we already suspected.
As expected the usual suspects have appeared below.
Didn’t take long.
Raging gammons – 59% Yes they’ll be foaming at the mooth.
They don’t like it up ’em.
No doubt ‘Aiden’ will be next Yoonsplaining to us that it was, like the oil, the ‘wrong kind’ of poll.
Let’s say it again 59% YES.
Every other poll puts support for Scottish independence around the mid-40’s, but one outlier poll shows a figure significantly higher and you all act like you’ve suddenly won a referendum. Firstly, 59% is when you’ve excluded the “don’t knows”, so it’s not actually 59% of the entire cohort. Secondly, if you look at the weighting, a majority of respondents voted yes in 2014, so the result (being the outlier that it is) is most likely down to the way the result has been weighted rather than a significant shift in public support from where it’s been virtually for the last 10 years.
But don’t let that stop you, it’s a huge moment for Scotland in the same way that polls showing a Kamala victory over summer and polls showing a 10 point lead for remain were huge moments in the states and the U.K. respectively. This is the most desperate of straw clutching ladies and gents.
Aidan, Norstat’s was an online “managed panel” poll, and on Norstat’s detailed release of the poll results, it doesn’t even show the question Mr. M-K claims was asked, let alone the result he claims.
See link to aws.norstat.no
I’m inclined to ignore Mr M-K, I’m more intrigued by the mentality of those ignoring hundreds of polls over a decade showing Scottish independence as a minority position, but then when one outlier poll comes out suddenly that’s the conclusive and settled will of the Scottish people. As I said earlier, I can’t help feeling a lot of people are more motivated by the donations button on their websites than they are by Scottish independence.
Maybe it’s cause Sir Kid Starver wasn’t the responsible adult in the room after all. No matter what shite the UK offers it’ll always be a fail for Scotland.
Tick tock….
Lol…they’re like clockwork.
As welcome here as a dose of the shits.
You may not know anything about Scottish politics or any other relevant subject. But I won’t challenge your knowledge and lived experience of a dose of the shits.
Not forgetting the result of the De Facto Referendum of 4th July 2024.
It seems that Peter A Bell has taken the right line with the New Scotland Party – it stands for a new type of Scotland i.e. a republic. He must have been picking up the vibrations.
What is fascinating and encouraging is that every age group, every demographic, every party’s voters, support independence as a republic more than just independence. It really is a significant result. Now it just has to be repeated at the polling booth in May 2026.
“every age group, every demographic, every party’s voters, support independence as a republic more than just independence”
Which, considering that sovereignty lies with the people and not the crown in Scotland, more than questions the legitimacy of that unelected crown representative figure called Lord Advocate which sits in the middle of the Scot gov cabinet, that is effectively stealing from the people of Scotland control over the executive and legislative powers and it is handing that power directly to the English crown.
It does, I agree.
However, as a counterpoint, I kinda like the distinction Scotland has that the Monarch is expressly NOT sovereign.
On 25th June, 1314, the day after Bannockburn and victory against all odds, would Scotland have voted to abolish the Scottish Monarchy?
It strikes me a monarchy is something to hold on to, in a type of remission, just in case the time and need arises to unite us all behind one totem. Better to hold on to a monarch you don’t need, rather than need one you do not have.
Let me be clear, when I say monarchy, I mean a true and unconflicted Scottish Monarchy, not the present day abomination of unwarranted privilege, obscene entitlement, and despicable contempt for Scotland’s Constitution.
Scotland “celebrates” the Union of the Crowns eh? I kinda prefer the Dissolution of the Crowns as a Bank Holiday, in addition to Independence Day, naturally.
Let me stress too, if I am in a minority in this position, I am perfectly at peace being overruled.
Gonna hit you with a Lord of the Rings quote; “My heart tells me that he [Gollum] has some part to play yet, for good or ill, before the end; and when that comes, the pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many, yours not least.”
That’s more or less how I see the Scottish Monarchy. I’m no royalist, but the roll of King in our colourful history is as old and significant as our Constitution. Be very careful tinkering with stuff we don’t fully comprehend. That’s all I’m saying.
An excellent post from Breeks.
Scotland had a distinctively Scottish monarch for around a millennium or so. Pro-Indy enthusiasts, keen to protect Scotland’s unique laws, languages and national culture, would do well to remember that.
Peter Hitchens makes a good point about monarchy in general. By occupying a specific square on the politics chessboard, the monarch denies that square to any other who might be tempted to try to seize it.
That provides a sense of national continuity and stability that will outlast temporary fads and fashions.
“I kinda like the distinction Scotland has that the Monarch is expressly NOT sovereign”
Yes, I do like it to, and very much so. But that is precisely the main point of my comment. The transference over of control over executive and legislative powers from the people of Scotland to the English crown is, at all practical effects, a direct assault on that popular sovereignty and a direct way in which Scotland’s popular sovereignty is being actively overruled.
In other words, it is one of the ways in which absolute rule is currently being imposed over Scotland and we all know absolute rule is in direct contravention of the Claim of Right and should therefore invalidate the ToU.
When Bain sent the case of the referendum bill to the English court otherwise known as “UK Supreme Court”, she was, in my opinion, directly hijacking Scotland’s legislative power and directly transferring control over that power to the English crown. That is absolute rule, not “limited monarchy” never mind democracy.
Let’s not forget that English courts follow English law and English convention – the infamous tool for all of parliamentary sovereignty which does not apply under Scottish constitutional law. So the questions that for me still need to be answered are:
-.-Did the political fraud Sturgeon and the crown tool Bain send the bill to that English court so the English convention tool of “parliamentary sovereignty” of Westminster could be applied?
-.- Could the English convention tool for all “Westminster parliamentary sovereignty” be applied at all from a Scottish court operating under Scots constitutional law?
-.- Had the independence referendum bill been passed in Holyrood, could a legal challenge had been mounted against an English “supreme” court through a Scottish court or international court, had they dare to trash that bill?
Those are the one million dollar questions that still need answers.
In my view, the context surrounding those questions is precisely the very reason why the previous crown tool Lord Advocate fought so hard to trash the Keating’s case – to continue mudding the waters so we could not get a clear, definite answer.
As far as I remember, the ruling of the Keatings case did not leave it clear at all if the British establishment could abuse a Scottish court to rule against a referendum bill that had already entered Holyrood for debate, never mind if that bill had passed. And that might well be, in my view, the very reason why the political fraud Sturgeon and the crown tool Bain took the referendum bill to that English court BEFORE it entered the parliamentary chamber for debate. Which leaves open the question of the legitimacy of that English court trashing a referendum bill should it had entered and passed in the Scottish parliament. In my opinion, and in line with the Claim of Right, passing such bill would immediately put on hold the power and legitimacy of Westminster, never mind that English court, to continue (or rather pretend) to act on behalf of Scotland until reaffirmation of that power by the people of Scotland.
It stands to the obvious to me that neither Sturgeon nor Bain wanted to embarrass the British establishment and in particular the English crown by having to directly expose their absolute ruling over Scotland by using an English court to directly sink an independence referendum bill that had passed through the Scottish Parliament and therefore totally obliterating the fundamental right of self-determination. Such action would directly and unequivocally expose the active role the English crown is having in stopping Scotland’s independence. This would immediately trigger a massive backlash in Scotland, and possibly the world, against encroachment of the English crown on Scotland’s matters. I guess their choice made this fact a tad less obvious. In other words, Sturgeon, Wolfe and Bain might have just been covering the English crown’s arse.
Scotland’s popular sovereignty is something to be proud of and something to nurture. But by keeping these frauds in Holyrood and by keeping that crown tool figure of Lord Advocate, we are not nurturing popular sovereignty. We are allowing the English crown and its tools like Sturgeon, Yousaf, Swinney, Wolfe and Bain, to actively suppress it.
FYYFC
Yes but it could be 99% for all the good it will do with these fuds in power.
Fa’s the number fur Independence wi a Final Solution?
From the regular antisemitism that appears on here these days, I’m assuming that’s something Scotland can really unite behind.
Clear off, you obnoxious troll.
Tut, tut, Michael, you meant to post a reproof to Breeks, but carelessly hit me instead.
He’s got two mentions of “Zonalism” and one of “Epstein’s Island” in his latest post. He’s obviously thinking that’s the slant that gets the pro-Indy crowd all fired up.
Take your time and get it right next time. Tear him a new one with my blessing.
Just blank the w@nks Michael. It is effective. New personas pop up and you blank them too..
He IS an antisemite!
As has been said multiple times now, you and your little friends “Zander” and “James” are the site trolls. No question. Which makes you a rather pathetic hypocrite.
Again as previously said, anyone who doesn’t “conform” to your ludicrously simplistic, juvenile, one-track obsessive beliefs is targeted for endless goading, insults and trolling, in an (ineffectual) attempt to remove them from the site, to save your fragile little mind from any more deviation from said one-track world view (if you can call it that).
Your laughable protestations fool no one mate – not even you. Bore off and let the grownups talk, there’s a good lad.
Get lost, yoon troll.
Nicely demonstrated, you absolute roaster.
Not from Scotland. Has no vote in Scotland. Bore off…
There’s a good chap.
No. I pay (vast) taxes to the UNITED KINGDOM. That makes me a Stakeholder, missus. Much more so than you and your contemporaries, I’d wager!
Scotland splitting off from the rUK would affect me directly, including in financial terms. (I also hold great affection for the UK – and Scotland and her people). The likes of you don’t get to decide whether I do, or do not have the right to comment here, that’ll be for Stu and Stu alone. Deal with it.
The thing is it isn’t all about you. You may well be a stakeholder holder in the UK and Scotland, but so is everyone else.
Now you may have been fortunate enough to elevate yourself to the comfortable position you are prone to brag about. I recall you stating you had a new Ranger Rover P550e which is not your average vehicle.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
As a “successful” individual that has done well for themselves, you cannot possibly think it is solely just your taxes that pay for all the road infrastructure that you use when you drive; Nor did you solely pay for all the other public services like hospitals you and your family and friends will undoubtedly have relied on at some point.
That stuff is paid for by the collective contributions of a great many more people in our society than just you.
If you believe in the private healthcare model, have you in the course of your “success” always paid your staff considerably more than the minimum or living wage that would be required for them to pay for private health care or cover the health insurance premiums required to cover private costs.
Can be 20k for broken collar bone, 60k for cesarean in US. These sort of figures starkly show the necessity of free at point of need healthcare in our society, or at least until wages rise to move to another healthcare model.
What an excellent post, Dan.
Just stating things as I see them.
CC recently commented 2nd post btl of new article stating “You probably don’t want to hear this, Stu (lol) but we are quite aligned politically as well these days, too!”
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Maybe CC or Stu would like to flesh out just what policies they are “quite aligned” on because from what CC has posted btl since he turned up you have to wonder.
Stu has over the years provided evidence through political outlook assessments that he is on the “left” in political terms.
Alert long time readers will mind Stu had a fundraiser for the lass that was in such unfortunate circumstances that she stole a mars bar because she was hungry, and got way more in consequences than some rich toff kid that glassed someone.
So definitely seemed Stu has a considerably more socially minded outlook and tolerance for others than the position CC portrays himself to have.
Though with the site’s relative silence and not using his forensic analysis to scrutinise the likes of Freeports and SEZs being rolled out, it does make you wonder what sort of self-governing Scotland he’d be happy with.
Regarding the colonial trolls claiming political alignment with the rev’s own views, I interpret that as their one sided assertion. The Rev has neither confirmed it nor denied it, and why should he?
At the end of the day, none of us commenting here fully know each others’ views, only what each of us choose to disclose within our comments.
Many of the warmonger and pro-colonial-sounding contributors may just be paid trolls looking to derail the threads. The way they immediately spring to action and act as if horribly offended whenever USA’s warmongering, intrusion into other country’s affairs and uninvited military interventionism for its own benefit is mentioned, or whenever I’s genocide and slaughter and starving of so many children and women is commented on with disgust, makes you wonder if any of them are actually UK citizens at all or even living in the UK.
We all know this is the blog with largest traction among independence supporters. It is getting to a sector of the population that the mainstream media and broadcasters can no longer reach. It is quite likely then that the forces paying those trolls want to, either bring it down under control or discredit it, so they can again take control of the narrative. And what better way to do so than by infesting the BTL with provocative comments designed to annoy the readers so they are either banned or get fed up and leave, and ultimately to discredit the host’s well earned reputation as a pro-independence journalist by claiming his views align with those of warmongering and colonialist far right wingers.
I agree that the freeports issue is very worrying. The silence around it is unnerving to say the least. You know that something nasty is bubbling away under the apparent calm over the surface.
But with regards to the Rev not getting his teeth into it, I am sure he will have his reasons. It may be a too controversial issue he does not want to get into. Or he may even have been banned from discussing it. We do not know, so we should not judge.
If I remember correctly, at some point he mentioned that he would leave that discussion to people who knew more about the subject. He is quite methodical and meticulous with his research, so he might not feel confident enough to enter an area whose drivers, outcome etc are not clear enough to him yet. Entering to discuss it without sufficient knowledge could cause more harm than benefit. At the end of the day, it is not for us to dictate what he writes in his own blog. It is his decision.
Salvo and ISP are not shy talking about the subject. There is nothing forcing us to restrict our reading to this blog only. There is nothing stopping us to visit ISP and Salvo’s websites to get more information about it.
Your weighing in here and alluding to me being a “colonial troll” is, ironically enough, pure trolling on your part. No need. What is it about discussion and debate that is such a terrifying prospect that it has to be shut down at source using such means? Do you like echo chambers, is it the “comfort factor”? Genuinely interested.
Also, just what is “colonial” about me? The fact I was born in England? That I like Scotland? Or is it my having the temerity to believe I can legitimately air my views about the UK in its entirety, given that I personally contribute a lot to the common money pot? Succinct answers on a postcard…
I am not interested in having an argument with you, but since you have asked me what I think is colonial about you, let me try and answer that question:
For as long as this “union” continues, Scotland will be treated and governed as a colony. It has been amply demonstrated in these threads and elsewhere how this is happening. An example is that figure of the Lord Advocate that is transferring control over the legislative and executive powers of Scotland to the English crown. A country whose legislative and executive power is under control of a foreign crown is a colony.If you support the continuation of the union in its present state, then, by default, you are also supporting the continuous subjugation of Scotland, the continuous theft of its resources and its continuous maintenance as a consumer market, rather than a producing, thriving one. If you support the continuity of Scotland’s subjugation, then you support colonialism.You have expressed your view, rather openly and categorically in one of your previous comments, that you wish the UK to remain in its current state because “Scotland splitting off from the rUK would affect you directly, including in financial terms” The UK in its present state can only continue if Scotland continues to be subjugated and treated as a colony. It has been proved in several elections that Scotland and England are following different political paths. Both paths are incompatible under a single government. Therefore for both countries to be governed under the same government, one of them will have to be subjugated to the other. The link is therefore obvious. If you wish the UK in its present format to continue, then by default, you are also hoping for Scotland to remain subjugated as a colony so your financial benefit is not affected. You claim to have “great affection for the UK and Scotland”. That is not possible. Both things are incompatible. The UK can only exist under continuous subjugation of Scotland. If you are interested in preserving the subjugation of Scotland under so this union can continue and with it your current financial arrangement, then you do not have “affection” for Scotland. You might have some form of sympathy, but not affection.
Does that answer your question?
You said:
“Your weighing in here and alluding to me being a “colonial troll” is, ironically enough, pure trolling on your part”
I was replying to Dan’s comment around his mentioning of the claim that some people here are very quick to claim political alignment with the Rev, among other things, including the freeports, which you do not mention at all in your comment. If you do not think it is my place to comment and enter a conversation between you and Dan, then, by your own rules, it is not your place either to enter a conversation between Dan and me. Either your own rules apply to everyone, including you, or they apply to nobody at all.
You said:
“What is it about discussion and debate that is such a terrifying prospect that it has to be shut down at source using such means?”
I will use your own words to reply to your own question. What is it about my discussion with Dan that is such a terrifying prospect to you that you immediately feel it must be shut down at source by playing the victim? Again, either your own rules apply to everybody, including you, or they apply to nobody at all.
“Do you like echo chambers?”
No. I do not. Actually, if you calmly read my comment above that seems to have caused you so much aggravation, you can clearly see that Dan and I are not in “an echo chamber”. We are actually disagreeing, albeit politely and diplomatically, on some things.
“I can legitimately air my views about the UK in its entirety”
Absolutely. I have nothing against you airing your views about the UK wherever and whenever you want. But if you do, and it is your prerogative to do so, you cannot demand pro-independence supporters like me, many of them fundamentalists and disgusted at the way their country is being abused, at the way their country’s resources are being robbed whilst their own people has to go to foodbanks, or at the way the electricity produced in their country is being sent to England for free, only for them to have to pay bigger bills than England for the electricity that Scotland produces, to actually agree with you, bend to your views and desist on their pursuit.
England’s “as the UK” government is harming Scotland and harming it badly. I live in a deprived area and I can see first hand the carnage that successive UK governments have done and continue to do. So you are in no position to demand from me to see your views, which support that harming of the area I live in to continue, as anything other than toxic for Scotland as a whole.
“I am not interested in having an argument with you …”
For someone (supposedly) “not interested” in having an argument, you’ve a very funny way of showing it, Mia – the trademark “War and Peace” monolithic slab of verbose text following this initial statement are somewhat contradictory! (This is a common “internet” M.O. of course, perhaps second only to the old chestnut: “Well, I’m not in the least annoyed about what you said, but [insert sputtering wage, spittle-inflected furious diatribe here]. Heh.).
Obviously, I don’t propose to do a line-by-line demolition job, as that would be tedious for everyone involved (and probably quite expensive for the host’s bandwith fees). So forgive me, I’ll limit myself to straightening out a few of the more salient bits amongst the chaff.
“For as long as this “union” continues, <BIG SNIP> If you support the continuity of Scotland’s subjugation, then you support colonialism.”
Your entire rationale is a non sequitur: it does NOT follow that Scotland being part of the Union by definition makes it a “colony” and is “subjugated”. On the contrary, Scotland receives preferential treatment through the Barnett formula et al and has a very large public sector; there’s a reason why Scotland has free prescriptions, university places etc. whereas England does not. Or did you think these things grow on trees?
To be blunt, it’s my view that you and your ilk would do better to grasp the great opportunities presented to you (both as individuals and as part of Scotland) with both hands. You’d be a lot happier and more successful as a result; living life through constant grievance must be bloody miserable.
“You claim to have “great affection for the UK and Scotland”. That is not possible.”
Er, allow me to decide what I do, or do not have great affection for; I don’t need to ask the permission of “Mia off the internet” whether or not I’m “allowed” to love Scotland. Thanks anyway.
“some people here are very quick to claim political alignment with the Rev”
Dealt with that already. It was A LIGHTHEARTED, THROW AWAY LINE, in response to subscribing to his site. In typical, obsessive fashion, though, this has been leapt upon, ignoring its obvious context in its entirety.
Hey, I’ll probably have “Dan” linking to this post in 6 months or so from now (also helpfully reminding me also of the car I drive whilst he’s at it).
“my comment above that seems to have caused you so much aggravation”
Oh please. You came barging into a discussion that Dan and I were specifically having with your “Regarding the colonial trolls claiming political alignment with the rev’s own views” remark in your very first sentence. FYI, calling you out on this didn’t cause me “so much aggravation”, in fact I rather enjoyed it.
From my POV this is a public forum and you, Dan and whoever else can say what they damn well like, including your comment on this occasion (on the single proviso Stu is ok with that). Just as I, in turn, am equally free to give you a good fisking in response. Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing; who needs echo chambers?
“you cannot demand pro-independence supporters like me, many of them fundamentalists … to actually agree with you, bend to your views and desist on their pursuit”
Well, this is absurd also. I’ve come here for DEBATE. That means two opposing sides. The last thing I want is to “demand” people agree with me, do you think I’m King Canute or something? Seriously, much like Dan earlier, I literally have no idea how or why these notions enter your heads. Victim complex perhaps?
“So you are in no position to demand from me to see your views …”
Um, I don’t. Obviously. See above.
Also – and I realise this is a radical point – you COULD just “scroll on by” my posts (as people keep claiming they do), neither I nor anyone else if “forcing” you to read them, Clockwork Orange stylee with matchsticks in your eyes (lol). If you *do* choose to read them then that is entirely your affair and no-one else’s.
Honestly.
/back to nursing hangover
Drivel.
More trolling.
Now SEVEN upvotes on NINE minutes. You’re fooling no one pal.
Troll.
Drivel.
FIVE upvotes in THREE minutes!
Drivel.
Crikey CC, can you ease up on Dans a bit. It’s causing a helluva rsi clicking through CTRL F Dan search to find comments…
It’s like this Alan Partridge clip.
link to youtube.com
Absolute classic 😀
I have a papier mache effigy in the spare room. Just saying. (lol)
Drivel.
Zander, what’s the purpose of all these “drivel” posts?
It ain’t really helpful as just knocks other recent comments down and out of sight in the sidebar box at top of page, so makes it even harder for folk to find all comments after the “upgrade”.
Hi Dan. I always like to keep things simple when dealing with Yoon Idiots.
Also, all of their posts are drivel.
Still since it causes you and perhaps others some discomfort, I will cease and desist.
Have a great Christmas Dan.
The guy’s just some glakey little twerp with lots of spare time on his own and a keyboard to hide behind. Impotent, low-wattage trolling is just about the only social (and in all probability career) option open to him.
I think the point is well made beyond all doubt concerning his “output”. I shall simply ignore his idiotic comments henceforth.
Search YouTube for a video titled ‘Scotland, England’s colony’. It explains it all. Also read the book Doun Hauden by Alf Baird. Since 1872 Scotlands languages have been attacked and our history was replaced with Empire lies.
Forgot to mention military rule 1746 to 1810. Over 430 forts built, military roads, three years genocide 1746 to 49 in the Highlands. Forced poverty and clearances forced over 4million Scots to emigrate up to 1930’s. Even our monarchy is a lie as Scotland has no monarch. The Union was never ratified it is a fraudulent state.
Andy, the Union was, of course, ratified.
There are much better arguments for Indy than the laughably wrong, anti-historical claims you make. Why don’t you try them?
You “see things as I see them”…? You’re (wilfully) ignoring CONTEXT yet again, perhaps you believe no one will notice?
You’re referring to a jokey, one line throw away comment I made to Stu – in the specific CONTEXT of my supporting him through modest subscription (despite opposing his political aims), as due to the fact that notwithstanding, I admire his standing up for women’s rights et al – this being part of the “alignment” lightheartedly referred to.
Your now taking this brief remark – entirely out of context – and seeking to use it to somehow antagonise the site’s owner is a low blow mate. Disappointing. Neither he – nor I – owes you any explanation nor justification, and certainly not on demand.
See now, one tries to give you the benefit of the doubt and engage in earnest discussion, but it’s not going to happen is it Dan?
Been out assisting a vulnerable person with appointments and shopping seeing as there is no public transport to do the task, so just back home now.
You seem quite ruffled.
I responded to this aspect of your comment which has nothing to do with who is or isn’t allowed to comment on this site.
(It’s pretty clear it is now a free for all anyway with the volume of pish getting posted by new “names” to disrupt and distract.)
“No. I pay (vast) taxes to the UNITED KINGDOM. That makes me a Stakeholder, missus. Much more so than you and your contemporaries, I’d wager!”
In those three sentences you are effectively stating you are more of a Stakeholder than others because you pay more tax than folk in different vocations or positions across society. And you seem to have again stated this in your response to mia that you are entitled to have a say based on your contribution to society.
I’m not saying you shouldn’t, just that everyone else has that same entitlement too, regardless of their position on the spectrum of wealth and being “successful”.
I’m calling that out because due to the ongoing inequality within your preferred UK governance system, folk earning considerably less than you may be paying a disproportionately higher percentage of their incomes to merely exist within the UK through direct and indirect taxation and essential outgoings.
Therefore policies that elevate more folk out of poverty and get those folk to a self-sufficient level should be the priority. But that is unlikely to happen when so many rich folk consider themselves to have more of a stake than poor folk.
Fair play if you are running your business in the equitable way you state. It must be doing extremely well in these times of austerity if all the staff could be running Rangey P550es.
Hope you aren’t fleecing the public purse for those lucrative contracts like some of the shite that goes on. That is not a personal dig, it is just that I’ve seen enough of the taking the fucking piss crap that goes on with cost of “work” over the years. Scottish Water and contractors being an example I’ve shared details with on here.
I put success in inverted commas because I don’t define success in wealth terms. I see no point being rich when quite so many folk are struggling to get by and our infrastructure is failing.
I see far too many people aspiring to the got to be or portray to be rich narrative and overstretching their finances to have fancy stuff like overpriced and over complex junk, such as cars that are effectively going to be disposable due to the nature of how they are built.
A couple of years old Range Rover up here had a bump. Headlight, 3500 quid and it’s on back order. lol Fuck that for a laugh.
I cut my cloth and enjoy much less grief and cost with far simpler and much longer lasting machinery, and that is because it is a lot more future proof and sustainable than pretty much all the utter crap form over function junk that is produced these days.
There is no way a modern tractor at well over 100 grand will still be going in 50 years time like the 50 year old one I just got. Modern ones are highly complex and covered in an array of sensors and dpf / ad blue shizzle and all manner of other electronic gizmos.
I picked up a complete set of new old stock Glacier proper oldskool lead copper bigend shells for 15 quid to replace the slightly worn originals. Main bearings are worn slightly too and more problematic because the heavy weight of the large flywheel has worn the back end more than the front. But as the engine is so basic I have a plan to address this as I don’t really want to split the tractor for a crankshaft replacement, but if I had to a new crank is only 200 quid and a full gasket set 30.
If you’re interested in engineering then the over complex-engineering and inherent higher costs of complex and expensive farm machinery that helps provide our food and self-sufficiency should actually be a good discussion point rather than the personal bickering because it is going to be unsustainable to repair some of this newer kit due to high costs, supply of parts, and lack of engineers capable of doing the work.
Very well said, Dan.
Mate. Context again. You’re reading an awful lot more into what I’ve said again, and as a result, you’re getting your knickers in a twist (again).
To briefly recap, I was told (not by you) that as I wasn’t born in Scotland nor lived there, I didn’t even have the right to say anything at all in the comments, which I objected to, for the reasons stated. Like everyone within the UK, I do indeed have a “dog in the fight” wrt. Scottish independence; my active contribution to the UK is partly relevant, but even if I’d never worked a day, I would *still* have a legitimate interest.
Regardless, however, I find the whole notion of supposedly not being “allowed” to comment (as meted out by someone who doesn’t even own the site, nor is a moderator) on the basis of where was born etc. as repugnant of itself, and worthy of rebuke for that reason alone. (Ironic that the person involved seems happy to spout ad nauseam about countries she (presumably) wasn’t born, and against the express, oft-repeated instructions from the site host, but there we are).
As for all the other stuff – “lucrative public purse contracts” – you’re having a laugh mate, we are a tiny private company, no chance we could ever dream about getting on the frameworks needed to be in with a sniff. Every single piece of work we’ve ever done is via the private sector, we have to earn our keep. So y’know, if I’ve got a leased Range Rover then that makes up for all the years of 70-80 hour weeks and lugging stuff around freezing building sites etc., I’ve bloody earnt it.
(In terms of the hybrid vehicle complexity, totally agree, would much rather have a trusty, torquey 3.0 diesel six under the bonnet, but I don’t get to set UK company car tax policy).
Agree with your closing point about sustainability, ease of maintenance, undue complexity and lack of in-house skills. Let’s talk about that.
Context… In this comment trail you initially responded to Geri who pointed out that you don’t live in Scotland so don’t get a say.
I read that as you aren’t enfranchised to vote here. (Of course due to the open franchise last time it could’ve been possible that someone from The KoE could get a vote in the 2014 Indyref…)
My knickers are not twisted, it would take a lot more than this chat to create a rotational force manifesting in my groin undergarments.
Whilst looking back at your initial comment again I note you also stated the following.
“Scotland splitting off from the rUK would affect me directly, including in financial terms.”
This is also why I pointed out that it isn’t just about you. Clearly you have much invested in preserving the Union because of the positives it creates for you.
But you need to comprehend that the Union also creates a great many negatives for a lot of Scots too.
The farcical situation of your preferred “pooling and sharing” “family of nations” Union with 96% of the UK oil and gas fields being in the Scottish geographical area but our sole refinery Grangemouth is to be closed.
I dare say the loss of jobs and resultant direct affect on the financial situations of all those workers that actually live and work(ed) in Scotland has more weight than the wonts of a KoElander.
Or how about England being so shit that loads of English folk who allowed their homeland to go to rack and ruin have whiteflighted it up here after selling up and created havoc in the housing market for Scots.
If you want the Union to be sustained it might be better to approach commenting on here with some benefits Scots get from being in the Union. I note you haven’t gone near addressing my asking the question of Unionists to explain how wonderful it is for an energy rich nation like Scotland to be getting shafted on energy prices by foreign owned companies that your favoured London Rule allowed to be sold off.
Anyway, since I posted this morning I went outside in blowing gales and 4 deg temps to install the main bearings, refit oil pump and sump, fill with oil, refit rocker shaft, and set tappets, then fire it up.
Yay! Oil pressure is way better and looks to be reliefing at 50psi and is holding 25psi at tickover, plus oil is getting up to the top end now that the replacement bearing shells have closed up the running clearances between the crankshaft journals to bearings so the oil doesn’t just pish out in the bottom end.
Which engine/vehicle?
Be more alert! That hangover must have really done a number on you ya southern shandy / warm beer swilling lightweight!
Guess the work’s crimbo party got the better of you. Cheer up though, you can put it on expenses for the company and it’ll be tax deductible.
Engine work was on the 50 year old tractor I mentioned two posts up.
Such is the simple hardy reliable nature of oldskool engineering the thing is still running the original 4 glow plugs and starter motor.
There’s no electronic pish or poxy CanBus shite here.
I’ve fitted capillary gauges for oil and temperature.
I’ll retrofit a decent high power alternator on it. It doesn’t really even need a wiring loom.
At the moment I’m just using one piece of wire to put power to the glow plugs for 10 seconds, then switch the wire to the starter solenoid terminal to crank it over and it fires up nae bother. Has mechanical lever on fuel injection pump to cut fuel when you want to stop engine.
Have previously test started it in minus 6 temps a few weeks back and it was fine, and better than a few local Landrover TD5 engined vehicles that the fuel systems froze up on and were no starts. These days Landys are totes comedy modern tough vehicles so they are.
Drivel.
Drivel.
Trolling. Again.
Also, SIX upvotes in 5 minutes? Wow, your sockpuppet accounts have been busy.
Muppet.
Drivel.
“The thing is it isn’t all about you. You may well be a stakeholder holder in the UK and Scotland, but so is everyone else.”
I’m sorry, when did I claim it was all about me? “Geri” asserted that because I wasn’t born in Scotland, nor lived there, I had NO right to comment here. Note: there is a considerable difference between my saying “no, actually, I DO have a right to at least comment, because I pay a lot into the collective pot and love Scotland” and “It’s all about meeeeeee!”. Geddit?
“Now you may have been fortunate enough to elevate yourself to the comfortable position you are prone to brag about.”
Well, yes, I will admit to being a show off. It’s not intentional but is a self-confessed foible; we all have ’em, right? To be equally fair, I *could* (NB but don’t) say the same about you e.g. you have your own tractor, land, restored sports cars or whatever. I don’t, though, because (a) I find stuff like that interesting and (b) I believe in applauding and celebrating other people’s achievements and passions. I don’t buy into the (ironically) very British trait of thinking it’s automatically vulgar to discuss one’s own successes (including financial and material) and/or anyone else’s.
(The downside to this openness, specifically online, is people archive such comments and try to use them against you, as you’ve just done – even providing a link).
“As a “successful” individual that has done well for themselves, you cannot possibly think it is solely just your taxes that pay for all the road infrastructure that you use when you drive;”
Seriously, Dan, I honestly have no idea where you get this straw man stuff from. Where did I say I was the ONLY one paying for this stuff? Are you even for real?
The inference (albeit not explicitly stated) was/is that I contribute very significantly to the combined UK pot (proportionately as an individual), in specific response to being told I shouldn’t even have the audacity to comment at all (see above). That’s a very different thing mate. Context, as ever, is important!
“Nor did you solely pay for all the other public services like hospitals you and your family and friends will undoubtedly have relied on at some point.
That stuff is paid for by the collective contributions of a great many more people in our society than just you.”
Ditto, see above. Read and respond to what I DO say, not what you think I’ve said in your head. I made no such comments/claims; I absolutely do not think that (and I’d be barking mad if I did think it).
“If you believe in the private healthcare model, have you in the course of your “success” always paid your staff considerably more than the minimum or living wage that would be required for them to pay for private health care or cover the health insurance premiums required to cover private costs.
Can be 20k for broken collar bone, 60k for cesarean in US. These sort of figures starkly show the necessity of free at point of need healthcare in our society, or at least until wages rise to move to another healthcare model.”
My word, all very much nowt to do with what was discussed hitherto, but I shall give you the courtesy of a polite response, which is one heck of a lot more than I usually get, including from you.
Are your indentured serfs required to vote as per your will?
That’s rife with the landed gentry in the Borders who see themselves as a breed apart, superior, beneficent purveyors of (paltry) largesse in areas of vast land ownership held by and for the exclusive benefit of the few, certainly not the “uppity natives” who work in your Dickensian – know yer place- factories and fields.
Or is there “nowt” (your word not mine) wrong with that in your trenchermans John Bull viewpoint?
Drivel.
I said that because you aren’t commenting here. You’re trolling & you were trolling Michael.
Your sort seem to think it’s big & clever to demean voters from another country you apparently have an affection for..
Like so many English cunts of the same ilk on our TVs 24/7 or from GB news.
Like it or not, Scottish independence is absolutely fuck all to do with, different country & for the ppl who actually live & pay taxes in Scotland. But that’s always been the English – they just don’t get other ppls boundaries & respecting them.
Instead of telling us how stupid we all are – why don’t you give us the benefits of remaining. Scots aren’t here to serve your needs.
The Union doesn’t serve Scotland well. There is absolutely ZERO benefit of being robbed on a daily basis & we absolutely do not need another country’s government, especially one we don’t vote for, collecting our revenues for us & deciding for us how we’ll spend it.
You said I shouldn’t comment because I wasn’t born in Scotland. Your words. Nothing about “trolling Michael” (even ignoring the clear fact that the guy’s an out-and-out troll creepily following me around here with troll comments).
At least have the courage of your (unpleasant) convictions. I’m not demeaning Scottish voters, just the “Michael” the troll, you, and one or two other trolls.
Besides, you’re lecturing me about “demeaning voters of another country”…? Seriously? You spend all hours of the day and night “demeaning voters of other countries” left, right and centre!
It’s almost as though you perpetually forget what you wrote a day or two back – or even hours in some cases – and you somehow expect your detractors to as well? Even though your earlier posts are still there in black and white?
Quite remarkable.
Bravo!
When you deal with the fact that Scotland & her people don’t reciprocate the sentiment.
You & yer poxy political parties are consistently rejected at the ballot box. Deal with it..
So then, “yer” entirely failed to rebut a single point about being a legitimate stakeholder etc, and you just start yet another seam of insults. Not interested.
Word to the not-so-wise, Little Miss Pottymouth. You don’t speak for Scotland or her people, so back into your foul-mouthed little box of pathetic conspiracy theories with you. (Don’t forget the tinfoil hat).
The ballot box is hard fact. All the facts you need.
You aren’t a legitimate stakeholder. You don’t live here. You can’t vote here. Scotland is therefore absolutely nothing to do with you.
Your a foreigner. So do one & concentrate yer time on making yer own country better in its failed two party state. It’s nt like it’s a beaming success story is it? Or a glowing advertisement for remaining in the Union..
If you eejits didn’t craw so much at ripping the piss out of Independence – yer own shite hole wouldn’t be as obvious…
Sort yer own house. Scotlands is nothing to do with you..
See my earlier response, love.
You don’t speak for Scotland or her people
We seem to have a few posters who like to assert that they KNOW what everyone in Scotland thinks, if only I could remember the name of one
It is always interesting that these clowns assiduously avoid discussing the absolute shitshow of corruption and incompetence that is visited on engerlish people by all their unionist parties , you would almost think that they are jealous that we have opportunities to rid ourselves of those scum liars and are intent on forcing us to remain sharing their misery
If people like Geri just ignored you would you continue to post here?
Why are you posting here?
Are you trying to convince us that voting NO in 2014 was the correct thing to do?
It isn’t correct to say ‘that’ll be for Stu and Stu alone’ to decide if you post here. More than it being Stu’s decision it’s yours. Why have you made the decision to post here?
TBH I am pretty tired of the ‘Better Together’ argument being regurgitate over and over and over again so I wouldn’t be that interested in what you have to say if that is your ‘raison d’etre’ but agree with your right to say it.
Ask Robert Matthews about antisemitism. He has relevant specialist knowledge.
Ron Unz is anti$emitic! I never knew.
That poll won’t know what hit it on election day.
You got the 59% the wrong way round.
Why are they asking the wrong question?
The question is “Should Scotland be an Independent country”
Yes/No.
The question has been set through parliament & by the Electoral commission. No matter how many times the yoons wish to change it to Remain for some strange reason. It was rejected. It’s not going to happen so why would a supposed legitimate polling company ask the wrong question? D’oh!
Its not exactly giving honesty vibes right off the bat is it?
Why do we have to rely on the Spanish to rescue our shipyards? The Viceroy thinks it’s wonderful.
“A buy-out of shipbuilder Harland & Wolff has secured the future of 350 jobs in Scotland, the UK government has said.”
Isn’t that good?
No. It is a Spanish company buying the yard. So profits will go to Spain not in Britain/Ireland.
Two in a week?
The bus drivers are never going to win their war on low bridges!
I was in Embra today and spent some time talking to a homeless man. He was ex army and stated that he has struggled big time on returning to what is supposed to be normality.
I genuinely felt sorry for the guy and slipped him a tenner-hopefully not to be squandered on drink.
To my mind, there cannot be a worst time of year not to have a roof over your head, however, he said that there are people worse off of than him. ‘imagine’ he said ‘being Mr Geri’?
I could not disagree with his assessment.
‘Geri’ is a very popular name in NK.
Perhaps your acquaintance was thinking of one of the thousands of NK soldiers, far from home, lying dead in the snow, and having their faces burnt off to save poot’s own face.
Maybe he was thinking of the Orc’s habitual disregard for their own wounded, and considering some as yet not dead but mortally wounded NK soldier, getting his face burnt off.
Nah. He was probably thinking of being homeless in Glasgow, and in comparison, counting himself lucky 🙂
WTAF are you two rambling about?
The ‘orcs’ ,as you insist on calling them, are well known to be rewarded for life & their families too for their services to their country. Pay peanuts – get nobody signing up.
Unlike the UK who couldn’t give a fck & expect charity to deal with them. They’re no longer useful.
Show some respect, Geri, It’s “Orc”, not “orc”.
You’ll be wanging oan aboot “scotland” next 🙂
For goodness sake, that is not a worthwhile contribution to any Scots independence campaign, it is near imbecilic and you probably know it to be so. It is probably another of your ploys to maintain your own sense of victimhood. Are negative red numbers really worth having?
It makes me think that it probably is not worthwhile continuing to engage with this website despite Stu Campbell’s excellenct journalism.
Engage with WOS. Just don’t engage with the professional yoon trolls.
“not a worthwhile contribution to any Scots independence campaign”
That must surely, like beauty and the conclusion of imbecility, be in the mind of the beholder.
What’s in my mind is that if you want to rule on who can and can’t post BTL, then start your own Indy blog. Aim to allow only posts of the form “I agree with Jay”, but be warned, WGD already has that market sewn up.
BTW, Jay, it’s horrifying I know, but there are credible MSM reports of the corpses of the NK troops fighting in Europe having their faces burnt off to conceal the reality of their existence.
I am of the opinion all of this is relevant to Scotland, as she prepares for Indy in 2026 as predicted on here. iScotland will be emerging onto a very difficult and deteriorating world stage – we should really clarify where we intend to position ourselves, who we intend to ally ourselves with, and therefore, who we will be opposed to.
I know that traditionally, Scotland has supposedly been the nicest, cuddliest wee country in the world – friend to all – beloved by all, but frankly, I think that’s self-deceiving, reality-denying shite.
There’s a nasty war raging on our doorstep. Just like with the currency question and all the other questions, undecided, apolitical Scots will want a straight answer to the question: Which side are we going to be on?
“Credible MSM reports”
Laughable,only a fool,lackey or John Main would write that.
It’ll be ‘babies on bayonets’ next…..
Wonder if he’d like to buy some magic beans….
Exactly. Credible MSM – an oxymoron if ever there was one!!!!
FFS! You don’t half zip up the back.
The Western media & it’s handlers have not only lost all the wars they start but they’ve lost the credible information war too.
Who writes their fairytale fantasies? A fcking three yr old? One of their psychological fuckwits? It’s embarrassing, nah, excruciating. Toe curling cringe.
Even now, as “Orcs” strategically & methodically capture territory, on a proper battlefield, with rules of engagement & respect for civilian casualties – the MSM is punting U is winning LOL! Glorifying American & British ‘intelligence’ terrorist activities & punting head choppers as the new Jesus in Syria.
Even if, and it’s a big fcking IF, NK is in R – WTAF is that to do with you exactly? Or the West? The West currently has every fecker there from America, British, French, Swedish, German, Canadian, Polish & a scattering of NATO & STILL LOSING.
Stick to defenceless countries & women & children eh? Know yer limits.
It’s Orwellian & whoever is punting the pish that we’ve to ignore our own eyes really needs punted tae fck…it’s not a strategy.
Burning ppls faces off.. FFS! As if they’d defile corpses of ppl who are LEGALLY entitled to even be there. Have a fucking word with yersel..in fact, don’t, it’d probably answer you back. Seek professional help…
The war must not be going very well for Z’s puppet masters when they are already resourcing to the assassinations and direct personal bombing of R’s generals to ashes so the idiots can bring the fight to a more “even” level.
How that kind of personal targeting and assassination is not the very example of a war crime is beyond me.
It is & they’re so dumb they even admit & take credit for it. That General wasn’t even on the battlefield. The unwritten rule of not targeting world leaders & high ranking officials well & truly in tatters. Same with terrorist attacks at a concert & targeting civilians on beaches. Perfidious Albion well & truly in the thick of it with their usual terrorist activities.
On the other side of the globe they’re doing the exact same & celebrating their war crimes & uploading it on social media. All recorded for future war crimes.
Now their latest yarn is Irn tried to take out TRUMP LOL!! Aye, that’s believable. That’d be much closer to home just like all their other assassination attempts were..
Why would Irn tried to take Trump at all?
These idiots must all think we are all zipped at the back. Like it is not becoming beyond obvious that the atrocity in October 2023, allegedly purported by Hms, was not rather convenient as an excuse for bombing the bejesus of every country around the genocidal maniacs and for their stealing of territory from Plstn, Lebannon and now Syria.
The more this conflict progresses, the more undeniably obvious it becomes that that attack in October 2023 might have been planned ahead by the genocidal maniacs and their puppets with that precise purpose. Isn’t Irn another of the targeted territories the genocidal maniacs want their genocidal paws on for their “Greater I”?
Between the genocidal maniacs, USA and UK, the question that needs to be answered is who is the master and who are the puppets. And it does not look like either UK or USA are the masters driving this particular imperialist invasion of other countries’ territory in the middle east. The are acting more like the genocidal maniacs’ useful idiots.
Another question that needs to be answered is how the U war links with the take over of land by the genocidal maniacs in the middle east. Was the U war planned to keep R distracted fighting another war at its own doors and to stop it intervening in the middle east, so the genocidal maniacs stood a chance of succeeding stealing other countries’ land? It is very much beginning to look that way, doesn’t it?
Why the hell do our UK taxpayers’ money have to be wasted in I’s and U’s wars and when exactly were we asked for consent for that?
So, how far down into the USA and UK deep states and taxpayers’ purse do the paws of the genocidal maniacs of the middle east actually go? All the way down?
Are you asking about Scotland?
Put simply Mia we here in Scotland gave consent in 2014 when we voted NO and gave ‘carte blanche’ to the UK Gov to do whatever they like with our ‘country’ and ‘our taxes’
From the same category : Z reportedly survived multiple assassination and kidnapping attempts by R or pro-R agents. Apparent assassination of Yevgeniy Prigozhhin and 9 bystanders, assassinations or assassination attempts on R opposition figures, dissidents or journalists (Nemtsov, Kara-Murza, Litvinenko, Politkovskaya,Navalny, Yushenkov …), multiple suspicious deaths of prominent R’s who fell of of the windows etc. It is a long list, someone must be desperate.
Reportedly and apparent. These are key words in your comment.
I do no longer trust West mainstream media at all and take everything I read from them with a LARGE pinch of salt.
West mainstream media has become in my eyes nothing more than USA’s, UK’s and I’s propaganda machine, therefore nothing they publish is necessarily the truth.
Funny that they never have a shred of evidence either. If they did, you’d think their first stop would be running to the UN, ICJ & the Hague to present their findings shouting from the rooftops…
Instead we’re supposed to believe “our sources tell us…”
Yer right, the media are complicit & have blood on their hands. Journalism is over. They’re just typists for whatever shite is sent by memo…
Their empire is over. They’re in their death throes. Thank God..They’re repulsive at the UN & acting like yobs. This won’t end well as they’re being systematically cut off from the outside world. Bar it’s yappy poodle – always there yapping it’s full about human rights..you couldn’t make this shit up. It’d be comical if it wasn’t such a tragic waste of life..
I agree that it is wise to be skeptical. That’s why I wrote reportedly and apparent. But it would be a mistake to assume R’s do not lie- they are, IMHO, much worse. If you want to hear some weapon’s grade bullsh*tting, try R state media (you will need a strong stomach for that).
I do not assume that R do not lie. In fact, I am absolutely convinced that they do, at every opportunity and on an industrial scale. But so does USA.
In your opinion R is “much worse”. In my opinion both countries reach the same ridiculously high level on the lying measuring scale.
However, where I find the main difference between the two is in the actions towards other countries and the governments of those countries.
R is not pursuing a monopoly of hegemonic control and power, or full imperial dominance over every other country and their resources in the world, like USA does. Somewhat, USA’s deep state feels entitled to own every world country’s resources and to dictate what currency other states must use when selling/buying natural resources.
R is not abusing its currency to unilaterally impose sanctions on countries that do not tow USA’s imperialistic line, like USA is doing.
R is not stealing other countries’ dollar reserves under the excuse of some unilaterally made up sanctions, like USA is doing.
R is not an apologist for the horrifying scale of apartheid and genocide perpetrated by I, like USA is.
R is not continuously arming a rogue genocidal state, like USA is.
R is not toppling down democratically elected governments in other countries, like USA is.
R is not using other countries as proxies to deliberately provoke R into a war, like USA is doing.
R is not arming and installing jihadists and nutters in other countries to facilitate the theft of their land by I, like USa is doing.
So, to me, between the two liars, R and USA, the second is far, far, far worse.
R, Iran & China are also helping Africa & the Global South get back on their feet after centuries of colonialism & theft. With tech, investment & trading routes like the belt & road initiative & of course , BRICS payment system to replace Swift which the US also weaponised at will to block others trading.
This is why the mad ones in the West are losing their tiny minds. Their hegemony is over.
Do you have an example?
TASS is more trustworthy & shown to be true than any Western media outlets.
Same with RT. The BBC had more strikes against it for false reporting than they did.
How can the West lied through it’s teeth that it’s winning when in the age of the internet the map is drastically changed in real time. Denazification & demilitarisation was always the objective yet they squeal like stuck pigs they’re coming tae get us all..Plus, a winning side doesn’t need to be on a permanent world tour cadging money, weapons & manpower.
& The unhinged terrorist attacks isn’t cricket. That’s them setting the scene for attacks everywhere & to just blame R.
It seems appropriate to post this over a decade old link of BBC manipulation to influence the narrative.
link to craigmurray.org.uk
BBC: Lord Mandelson expected to be named as UK ambassador to US:
“The Labour grandee, who served in multiple ministerial roles under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown before taking up a life peerage in the Lords, was considered to be one of the frontrunners for the position.”:
link to archive.ph
World Economic Forum: Agenda Contributors:
Tony Blair:
link to tinyurl.com
Gordon Brown:
link to tinyurl.com
Lord Mandelson
link to tinyurl.com
WEF BBC is more than welcome to verify this information with an expert reality check –
In fact, I urge WEF BBC specialist to do so…
Cheer up – ‘Prince of Darkness’ (Peter, et al:) ?
Reality is a positive thing…
Who is Peter Mandelson, Britain’s ‘prince of darkness’ US ambassador pick?
“…Mandelson’s past links with disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein, who referred to him as “Petie,” were revealed…”:
link to archive.ph
James Melville
@JamesMelville:
“Here’s Keir Starmer getting asked about Peter Mandelson’s links with Jeffrey Epstein…”:
link to tinyurl.com
#0
BBC (2024): Big difference between Labour and Tories, says Sir Keir Starmer:
“‘Crackdown on cronyism’…
Sir Keir pledged to “clean up politics” with a “crackdown on cronyism”, saying the public were “right to be anti-Westminster” and “angry about what politics has become”…
Sir Keir said a Labour government would “restore standards in public life” and show “zero tolerance towards the darker side of Westminster”.”:
link to archive.ph
BBC: Trump campaign adviser calls incoming UK ambassador to US a ‘moron’:
“A campaign adviser to US President-elect Donald Trump has called the incoming UK ambassador to the US, Lord Peter Mandelson, “an absolute moron”….”:
link to archive.ph
The Sun: Keir Starmer announces 30 new peers including Partygate probe chief Sue Gray – as PM risks sparking fresh cronyism row:
“Sir Keir Starmer has triggered a fresh cronyism row by packing the House of Lords with 30 new peers – despite vowing to slim it down…
“A Labour source said: “The Tories stuffed the House of Lords, creating a serious imbalance in the chamber. This needs to be corrected to drive through the government’s plan for change and deliver on our mandate from the British people.”:..”:
link to archive.ph
Guardian (2022): Keir Starmer: I will abolish House of Lords to ‘restore trust in politics’:
“…the Labour leader has told the party’s peers that he wants to strip politicians of the power to make appointments to the Lords…”:
link to archive.ph
Did you know that Zelen$ky’s ‘wife’ drives a Bugatti.
link to youtube.com
This is the country that Two Tier Keir cut the winter fuel allowance to pensioners so he could essentially send them the money instead, and much more. While 2TK gets lavished with gifts… Is he really much different from Zelen$ky…
Several tory iterations before that we have Boris the Clown, but a clown who has the blood of an entire generation of Ukr@inians on his hands. Never mentioned in the UK press.
Britain is quite the country these days. It is not being run for the benefit of Britons at all.
Blair was where it started and it has accelerated and accelerated ever since. Look at where it led to Starmer and he is supposed to be “Labour’, left of centre…
Ukr@ine is a massive theft and money laundering operation according to Julian Assange.
Organized Crime And Corruption: Pandora Papers Reveal Offshore Holdings of U***inian President and his Inner Circle:
“U***inian President Vo***ymyr Ze***sky rode to power on pledges to clean up the Eastern European country, but the Pandora Papers reveal he and his close circle were the beneficiaries of a network of offshore companies, including some that owned expensive London property…”:
link to archive.ph
Were there rumours that it started with Thatcher?
Mac, i watched Judge Nap.video and found no reference to Zelenskya buying a Bugatti. Were you trying to con us, hoping that we would not bother to watch your purported source? In case I missed the Bugatti reference, how many minutes elapsed to find the reference?
I did separate search on the topic because I loathe corruption. I could find NOTHING to corroborate the story. Can you give us a link to find it, EXCLUDING moscow based sources?
I try to apply even-handed skepticism. How about you?
This (false) story first appeared back in July, stemming allegedly from Ru$$ian based sources masquerading as US news sources.
Has been repeatedly exposed as just part of the propaganda war being conducted by all parties involved.
As Mia posted above, MSM (I’d say all, not just Western) are not to be trusted.
The Guardian (2015): Welcome to Ukraine, the most corrupt nation in Europe:
link to archive.ph
The Guardian (2022): The fight for Ukraine is a fight for liberal ideals…:
link to archive.ph
The Guardian (2015): Welcome to U***ine, the most corrupt nation in Europe:
link to archive.ph
The Guardian (2022): The fight for U***ine is a fight for liberal ideals…:
link to archive.ph
Thank you, Gregor. Both articles read as coherent. Does anyone challenge any of the content? Always needing to be vigilant and looking for falsehood.
Mac put wrong link for Judge Nap. but gave correct link in subsequent comment
Welcome, Jay
We humans can make mistakes, however, Mac (et al) have contributed a wealth of worthy information to this forum.
We progress successfully by acknowledging and correcting our mistakes.
I commend both you and Mac for striving to resolve the issue.
So much of Ukr@ines rich farm land ended up owned by Blackrock…. just like will all the small farms in the UK thanks to Zelenskeir. Coincidence?
No. It’s what’s underneath it. They’ll be fracking in no time at all.
Spare some thoughts also for regions stolen by R (Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk). So much rich land.
They haven’t been stolen. They’ve been captured & will be part of negotiations.
Z on the other hand, an unelected president, has sold U land to BlackRock. I wouldn’t like to be him when this over. He won the election on a peace ticket, started a war, ignored the constitution, killed/displaced millions & has sold the land from under their feet.
Begs the question WTF are they still fighting for?
Don’t worry tho. I heard he’s moving to England. He’s been guaranteed protection. So he’ll soon be a roomy along with all his buddies. That’s nice…
“They haven’t been stolen. They’ve been captured & will be part of negotiations.”
They ran bogus referenda there, let Duma rubberstamp the annexations and signed their entry into R Federation into law. That’s what you do if you just want to temporarily hold them, right ?
Who said they were bogus? The West? That same West who likes to rig theirs?
Those areas were being persecuted for being R, attacked, bombed & forbidden from their religion for not accepting the Maidan coup of a democratically elected government. Funny, the same happening in Georgia, Romania, France, Germany & all those bastions of upholding democracy. Excuse me while I laugh. The whole reason for Minsk agreements in the first place was because those areas were being ethnically cleansed which France & Germany, the two guarantors, later admitted to be a sham to give yankie doodle dandy time to arm U.
Fck about find out.. They were offered a peace deal. Very simple, NO NATO, it wasn’t difficult. They could’ve walked with their territory intact, instead the West poured in more & more money, weapons & manpower so there ya go…it’s game on then.
Don’t cry over their own stupidity. They should’ve known by now colonisers talk utter shite & it’s only resources they’re after – not humans that live there & they’re a fine one to talk about bogus elections & referendums – have you seen Europe lately? Were you here in 2014? Where did Bidens 20 million extra voters disappear to this time?
Illegal referendum, held under the gun of the invading army, without a question to keep status quo (Crimea), without international observers, and with results vastly different from pre-invasion polls. Do not be ridiculous. You throw at it a lot of non-sequiturs, but you cannot cover the fact that it was illegal and just a pretext for keeping the stolen regions – see my previous post.
The zzZi-0nistT loving, jenn-0cidde enabling English Labour party – have appointed a lord as ambassador to the USA, Lord Mandelson who’s nickname when in office, was The Prince of Darkness because he was absolutely ruthless – Mandelson – was also one of the first people to have the term Spin Doctor applied to them.
Its thirty-six years since the South Africans blew up Pan Am flight 103 to kill UN Brent Carlesson, (who was the Assistant Secretary General to the UN) over his important work on Namibia.
Professor Jim Squire who lost a family member – wants the UK government to release secret information that might help to solve who committed the crime, but its unlikely to happen – as the USA attempts to fit up another patsy (Abu Agila) in May coming, for the crime.
The Malaysian authorities are to attempt to find the missing flight MH370 again – which vanished into thin air on March 8th 2014, without a single satellite catching its demise, or so we are led to believe.
Blaine Gibson and his investigation team, discovered more in a short period time, on what looks like happened to the flight – than all the worlds investigators put together Mr Blaine was threatened, harassed, and told he would be killed if he kept up his investigations – one of his investigators was murdered on the job.
It looks like Boeing along with the CIA brought down the passenger jet near Diego Garcia – Boeing has built into its planes an override system that allows it to take over the flying of its planes when it wants to.
link to wikispooks.com
FFS. This place is hoatching with them of late…
The (please pronounce in Andrew Tate’s voice) ‘Bugatti’ gets a mention at the 13.20 mark’ish but if you watch Judge Nap his guests have mentioned it before.
link to youtube.com
The Zelenskies have apparently shipped the Bugatti to Europe just recently. Perhaps planning a flit.
Probably to one of his newly acquired luxury properties. These folks have snaffled away hundreds of millions if not more.
Every single fake news site from CNN to Voice of America has gone out of there way to deny the Bugatti and call it fake news.
So I’d say it is almost certainly true then.
An interesting point I have read in some news sources trying to bust the claim of the Bugatti is that “there is no evidence that Ms Zelensky bought a Bugatti Tourbillon Sportscar during her June 2024 visit to Paris”.
Well, she could have bought it in May or July and not necessarily when she was in Paris. She could have ordered it online or somebody ordering it on her behalf.
The woman had to be an absolute idiot to purchase the car herself in the present circumstances. Surely, they would have advisors that, if the purchase had taken place, would have advised them to purchase it through a third party so there is no connection.
In the same way, they are not going to have all the money earned by selling their country openly in a bank account under their name that can be easily traced. If the money is somewhere, it will be hidden in a tax haven somewhere out of sight.
In my opinion, what people has to look for is what they drive, wear, eat, drink, give away and use, not what they, personally, buy.
They might have more than one. The Tourbillon does not get delivered until 2026. That might be the replacement or addition to the existing one.
Britain i.e. the City is the world’s hub for money laundering.
Most tax havens are British or American and the whole “Trust’ system just completes the loop.
Tax Havens + Trusts = Mega Rich can do what they fucking want and pay no tax like you or I have to.
It is of course designed that way.
Zelensky is a product of British intelligence apparently…
So his money will be well hidden… up to a point… because what is the point of money if you can’t buy a Buuuugatti.
He won’t live to enjoy it. That’s the trouble dealing with liars & thieves. They’ve a tendency to check ppl out early so they don’t live to tell tales & he has a hot seat waiting for him for war crimes…
I recommend you start reading Grassy Knoll in Viz, “Mac”. He will provide you with a rich and inexhaustible seam of material for your future posts.
Mac, found mention of Bugatti in the new link to Col. Wilkerson video. Col. Wilkerson did not provide any substantiation for his comment, no sources. Is he reliable in this instance?
In your earlier reference to a Bugatti you stated that Zelenskya was/is driving a Bugatti. Surely, someone would have seen/photographed it? Where is the evidence?
How many of these vehicles are built? Are they not a poor choice for someone who might need to ‘do a flit’ with likelihood of threat to life?
I continue to direct skepticism all round. Your idea of ‘almost certainly true because mainstream media deny it’ seems to lack the reilability needed for your initial assertion. Your enemies might tell the truth at most awkward times.
If it bothers you so much you should email Larry and ask him how he knows.
All I can tell you is I’ll be listening to him and ignoring you.
You do seem very desperate to whitewash the Zelen$kys ‘Jay’…
Definitely true. lol.
link to archive.ph
“US kills ISIS leader in Syr1an airstrike…”
Yeah, not that ISIS leader, a different one. Do keep up!
Washington says it won’t let terrorists seize control after Assad toppled. Errr…em…
The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia..
I’ve read that the jJen00cidde committing zzZi0-nist-s – which are a horrifying 62 weeks into their jJen0c-idde – and still the world does SFA to stop it – have stolen more land in Syyriia that contains significant water supplies; I also read (ICAN) that the zzZi00niss-ts have whopping 90 nukes in store.
Meanwhile, the USA has supposedly just found out that instead of having 900 troops on the ground in Syyriia, that it actually has around 2,000 troops, in Syyriia on the ground – and it gets better – the USA has dropped the $10 million dollars reward for the capture of the KNOWN PROSCRIBED TERRORIST Al-Jolani.
US offered bounties are subject to US needs – which are fickle.
There are countries ceasing trade. It won’t go reported in the Western media. According to them everything is just tickety boo over in laa laa land. Nothing to see there at all..
” words disemble, words be quick.
Words resemble walking sticks.
Plant them they will grow,
Watch them waver so.”
OMG Dr Az Hakeem’s explanation about the reaction to the use of the wrong pronouns is brilliant.
He tells us ‘trans’ isn’t mad but our reaction to ‘trans’ definitely is.
It’s not them it’s us who are the mad ones. You’ve gotta to be mad to think women have penises, men can breastfeed and babies are born in the wrong body.
That interview on Heretics is brilliant!
I’m going to have to watch it a good few times to learn the difference between transvestite, transexual, and autogynephiles.
Dr Az also mentions the book
That’s Dennis Nilsen the serial killer.
Anyone read that?
One for the Christmas book list?
It’s also on Netflix.
I didn’t think I was a fan of true crime but the most interesting story in Scotland is one of true crime.
It’s a fascinating story and I can understand why Stu wants to keep Wings going until we get the truth.
There’s a trend ongoing in gGaazaa right now – where zZi00nis-t D9 Bulldozer drivers – decorate their huge bulldozers with toys, taken from the houses of displaced or murdered Ppaleesttiniian children – these are the same zZi00nis-t D9 bulldozer drivers – who ran over tents killing Ppaleesttiniianss, inside, at supposedly safe zone/refugee camps in gGaazaa.
link to nitter.poast.org
They’re completely amoral. That’s sickening..
“House Republicans just introduced the DOGE Act. The bill cuts non-military spending by $114 billion, shrinking programs for energy, climate, health, transportation, veterans, education, economy, and more.
The DOGE Act reduces Pentagon spending by $0.”
A terrorist military complex masquerading as a country.
On the plus – some States will agitate for separation. There’s discontent already & some commentators have predicted a civil war is brewing. The poverty, homelessness & lack of healthcare is off the charts & all of them already have at least ten weapons each – including the weans lol.
They’re also scunnered with forever wars & paying for it.
From reading numerous Wings comments expressing favour for Trump, surely someone will know whether this ’DOGE’ measure (is it an Act yet?) has Trump’s approval?
CRITICS CONDEMN NEW UK PUBERTY BLOCKERS CLINICAL TRIAL AS UNETHICAL
« Critics have slammed a planned puberty blockers trial for using children as ‘guinea pigs’ to prove what is already established – that they are harmful.
« Health Secretary Wes Streeting’s recent announcement of an indefinite ban on puberty blockers in the UK included news of a clinical trial that trans activists are identifying as a backdoor to accessing the experimental drugs.
« The use of puberty blockers was discredited by the Cass Review, which found they offered no known improvements to gender-confused children’s mental health, but adversely affected bone density and brain development.
Harmful
« Sexual health charity Brook has advised on their website that children can still get puberty blockers “if they agree to be part of a research study that will assess the risks and benefits of these medicines for trans and gender questioning children”.
« One mum whose son identifies as a woman spoke to the Daily Mail saying: “Haven’t enough children already been damaged, lives ruined? Do they really need that further evidence?”
« Lucy Marsh from the Family Education Trust said: “Puberty blockers harm children. They are using them like guinea pigs.” She added: “What happens to the children who sign up for trials and are harmed? Are they putting aside a compensation pot for a drug they know is harmful?”
« But the Government said the trial would provide “the evidence needed to decide whether they can be used as a safe and effective treatment”.
Reckless
« Times columnist Janice Turner called the use of puberty blockers on gender-confused children “a reckless 13-year medical experiment” and asked: “how do you select child patients to test a drug when 85 per cent of dysphoria cases resolve themselves at puberty — but doctors can never predict which ones?”
« Puberty blockers work by suppressing hormones and were designed to help young children who commenced puberty unusually early. »
(From The Christian Institute website, 20 Dec 2024)
That’s precisely as I expected when I read that puberty blockers were to be banned “except for use in clinical trials”. That’s not banning them at all, is it? It’s making provision for their continued use. It’s a lot like fox-hunting, which is supposedly banned, except that there are weekly reports of foxes being killed by hunts because loopholes were deliberately created so that the sickening barbarism could continue as before.
that’s why people like Humza never had a chance ,,,,,,, they could not allow him to let the truth get out , or to keep on the road to Independence, hence the quick chop,,,,,,,, the snp like labour are now english Establishment parties taken over from the inside and doing the bidding of the english elite,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the 2014 vote was fixed
Is there any way to negate the ‘>£600’ argument, by paying the difference, on tick, to be paid back by Scotland Gov when the alphabetties are found guilty of perjury and the witches are found guilty of conspiracy to harass and defame Alex Salmond and pervert the course of justice? A sort of ‘awarded costs’ basis?