The Charlatans
Posted on
August 07, 2019 by
Rev. Stuart Campbell
Honestly, readers, our job is like shooting fish in a barrel sometimes.
Gosh, whoever would take such a scandalous and unprincipled position?
Oh yeah, we remember.
But hey, let’s not forget this guy:
Because, y’know, on “internationalism”:
And on the terrible blight of flag-loving “nationalists”:
And on “once in a generation, you lost, it’s over, never again”:
Come on, Unionists, at least make it difficult for us.
By the time Labour might be in any position to “block” or “allow” another Indy Ref, Scotland will already have voted on it…
I am getting dizzy trying to follow all these about turns by the Yoon fanatics.
British Nationalists heads are exploding all over the UK.
English Nationalists don’t give a monkeys.
The UK Union is on its deathbed.
North Cuntry Boy
Unionists are like Seagulls, if you stare them down they back away, but if you don’t keep an eye on them they’ll steal your chips
bbc tv.
British seas british fish— (mostly Scottish shhhhhhhhhh)
Ian Murray is all for allowing people to change their minds.
It’s just that he’s against them voting again.
Ruth Davidson is clearly a *nationalist*.
Obviously Scottish independence doesn’t fit with her own romantic ideal of rule Britannia nationalism.
Process of Brexit has exposed who the real nationalists are – the Tory xenophobes that want to close our borders to foreign trade and immigration. If Ruth had any principles left she would quit the Tory party and disassociate herself from such nationalistic fervor.
This cartoon sums it up…
https://ui-ex.com/images/auln-clipart-tropical-3.jpg
You just know that Alister Jack wants to put a union Jack in every classroom of every school in Scotland and make it compulsory for all pupils to stand and sing Rule Britannia every morning before lessons.
This is the sort of company Ian Murray keeps.
http://hurryupharry.org/2012/06/10/labour-and-hamas-ian-murra-mp/
Remember he’s a self-styled internationalist opposed to nationalism, particulary the Scottish, non violent, variety.
Palestinian Nats pass the triage mechanism no matter how violent the back story. And lets not talk about the systemic financial corruption and clientism operating in Gaza and the West Bank.
https://al-shabaka.org/briefs/corruption-in-palestine/
The above was 2015, nothing changed since.
With Scots of this type even brain surgery could not extract the retarding unionism.
BREAKING: Richard Leonard responds to John McDonnell’s comments: “I met with John this morning, and I made clear to him that a second independence referendum is unwanted by the people of Scotland and it is unnecessary.
“The 2014 referendum was a once in a generation vote. “
https://twitter.com/proud_cybernat/status/1159075667931217920
So, having blown off both his feet, Leonard now takes aim at his head.
^ dont joke about Alister Jack.
prior to becoming Secretary of State his main action as MP was to complain that Scottish proms didn’t give him chance to sing along with Rule Britannia.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/dumfries-galloway-mp-hits-out-11195910
Richard Leonard has apparently met McDonnell this morning and told him that the people of Scotland do not want another indyref.
Did Richard not see the Ashcroft poll? Or maybe he relies for his news on Auntie Beeb.
Not wanting to be a pain but I guess a lot of you haven’t seen this yet.
It’s an important project, and the timing even more so. Imports from the far east will get a whole lot harder after 31st October so it’s imperative this succeeds.
We state in the blurb that most of the stock will be held for use in an active campaign period, in whatever form that takes. These flags are for you and your Yes groups.
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From the ‘you could not make it up’ department…
STATEMENT FROM SCOTTISH LABOUR CANDIDATES
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In 2014, Labour led the campaign to keep the United Kingdom ogether and to protect working people from the austerity that would have come with separation.
Since then, our party has too Often sounded like we do not now where we stand on this issue.
As Labour Party candidates in Scotland we want to make it lear: we oppose another independence referendum; we are against the uncertainty and economic upheaval that leaving the UK would cause and; as the Tories threaten our place in Europe, we do not believe the answer to nationalism is more nationalism.
Pam Duncan-Glancy, Glasgow North
Patricia Ferguson, Glasgow North West
Sheila Gilmore, Edinburgh East
Faten Hameed, Glasgow Central
Andrew Hilland, Lanark and Hamilton East
Alison MacCorquodale, Na h•Eileanan an lar
Monique McAdams, East Kllbride, Strathaven and Lesmahagow
Martin McCluskey, Inverclyde
Jean Anne Mitchell, West Dunbartonshire
tvloira Ramage, Paisley and Renfrewshire South
Alison Taylor, Paisley and Renfrewshire North
Kate Watson, Glasgow East
But ..but “it was McDonnell’s personal opinion” says auntie wie a kilt’s shortbread news, so it doesn’t count!
But..but auntie!… Alex Salmond…”Once in a generation opportunity” was his personal opinion.
Aye but that’s another thing eh! Because!
🙂
All going along nicely. Won’t be long now win or lose.
They now know it’s over for them at the ballot box , so they must stop democracy at any level is now their mantra. They have turned the panic dial all the way to 11 ,c 10 isn’t the loudest ,cause this will go to 11. They care not one fuck for us , this is all about them , their livelihoods and their status.
The unionists really are scurrying about like headless chickens this morning. Dougie Alexander was interviewed for the World at One and spat feathers about how “internationalist” the Labour Party is and how they have no truck with “nationalists” who are really Tories.
I think the Kool Aid has stopped working.
Better Together still?
Ever thought that it might be this crowd that actually put some people off of supporting independence? There’ll be no decent opposition in our Independent Parliament if this continues to be the calibre of Scottish politicians that we’re lumbered with. Let’s hope that some intelligent, principled youngsters will emerge to replace this bunch of undemocratic, hypocritical liars when they get the heave-ho (in the very near future).
Corbyn backs McDonnell….
Peter A Smith
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Verified account
@PeterAdamSmith
1h1 hour ago
I asked John McDonnell what he meant when he said not blocking indyref2 is “our view” – who is ‘our’? He says it’s Jeremy Corbyn‘s view as well – if Scottish people want indyref2, Labour will not block it. “As the situation is at the moment, we will not block it… I also asked about his language, referring to Westminster as the “English parliament.” He says that was a slip of the tongue.
https://twitter.com/xxIndyRef2xx/status/1159085197024997376
@ Petra – have you seen the characters at Westminster? There are some decent intelligent politicians there but the ones with the loudest mouths are quite warped, the ERG for example and the Labour Blairites.
We shouldn’t forget wee ‘willie’ said
It’s bad enough with Boris Johnson bungling on Brexit and independence but to have the Labour Party’s Chancellor piling in makes it a whole lot worse. Only the Liberal Democrats are robustly for Scotland’s place in the UK and the EU.
Then goes and picks some strawberries for Tesco’s no doubt, with full on butchers apron fleg!
Live phone-in on Sheilagh Foggerty (LBC RADIO)
Subject: Scottish Independence.
Sorry …NOW!
Slip of the tongue, eh? Aye right. His mindset fell oot. They think they own us.
Can Labour re-grow after Indy? They’ll need me to come back. No f*****g chance. Boris’s kicking for Ruthie and Mundell might make me vote for them!
SNP all the way. We’re winning.
LBC back on to indy!!!
Given the British Labour party was formed partly in response to the economic inequities and health disparities of industrial revolution society, it is rather depressing to watch Labour MPs behaving like Tory dicks. Especially in light of the full-English Brexit. Such is the malignancy of the British nationalist social pathology.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2156058/
Ref tartanpigsty @ 1.37, problem with the link.
It should be : https://www.gofundme.com/the-return-of-10000-flags-for-yes
That’s a number one fundraiser, that is 🙂
Harris being given free reign on LBC. Us Nationalists are evil. Our priority is independence. The SNP only run Scotland well to make a point, apparently. See who’se on next.
2014 was hellish. A horrible horrible place to be.
Diddums. Puir wee soul.
Wasn’t my Scotland.
Ian Murray was interviewed by the BBC at lunchtime and managed to ‘circumvent’ answering why it was alright to hold another EU referendum but not a Scottish referendum. Just like the Lib-dems, such as Swinson, he came out with the same old duplicitous, undemocratic waffle and for some reason seems to think that the viewers can’t see right through him. They’re absolutely raging because they can no longer spout ..”the SNP don’t have a mandate to hold Indyref2 because a majority of Scots don’t want Independence.” Stuck now with the risible, ”they said that is was a once in a generation referendum.” Pathetic. And who exactly is ”they”?
The BBC interviewer said that this debate, within the Labour Party, would go on for quite some time. Let’s hope that it does because every time any of these Unionists, with their nasty, twisted faces, speak (spit) out against Independence on the television they make our case for us. Which just reminds me of how civilised SNP politicians are when being interviewed, such as Sturgeon, Swinney, Freeman etc, and when comparing them to the Unionists there’s something to be said about that.
Dr Jim says:
7 August, 2019 at 1:07 pm
Unionists are like Seagulls, if you stare them down they back away, but if you don’t keep an eye on them they’ll steal your chips.
BELTER !!!!!
‘It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once.Slavery has so frightful an aspect to men accustomed to freedom, that it must steal in upon them by degrees and must disguise itself in a thousand shapes, in order to be received’
Handmaidens,footmen,jesters, these poor buggers must have been offered untold riches to turn/twist/shape change, in order to deceive (just like their predecessors who also had an unquenchable thirst for making quick money, no questions asked) and like them they have failed and now the vagabonds who are rapping at their door, are standing in the clothes that they once wore.
‘#FoolsGold
Is there a snippet somewhere of McDonnell saying ‘the English parliament’? Would like to see that.
It looks like even though ‘Scotland’ is totally not interested nor has any desire for an indy ref, the Britnats can think about nothing else right now! It’s all they are talking about.
Forget Brexit, which they don’t give a toss about because their no deal is their ultimate aim.
It’s losing Scotland, and no longer being able to steal Scotland’s massively lucrative resources, huge huge revenues, go through with their plan to sell our SNHS, and plans to sell our agriculture, fishing, land all on the cheap to dodgy regimes, that’s got them extremely hot under the collar!
Scotland’s renewables alone are worth them fighting for as well as our water, and they will if needed, fight us for them. Scottish rewewables powered enough energy in first six months of 2019, to power two Scotland’s!!
English guy from Inverness, now. An aggressive undertone in 2014. Like Northern Ireland. Some intimidation like there. Aggressive marches at the time.
Hi Rev, any chance you could give her (Ms Fogerty) a phone.
Inverness guy now saying we’re unaware what we’re doing.
Sheesh, enough, already.
UK Lab Stella Creasy seems to believe her ideology trumps any other -‘egalitarian devolution’. Is that like a ‘benign dictatorship’. Don’t you just love being UKsplained by our Imperial Masters? Are they getting the band back together again ‘Better Than Ever Together’ the follow up album? All the old hits reworked for the remaining few.
Thanks to everyone for reviving Empire Biscuit’s Imperial March in Glasgow recently .
It brings it all back. The onslaught of Unionism across the media was truly terrible then and it looked as if it was slipping away. I remember sadness and joy and laughing so much at that.
The amazing thing is it hasn’t aged and the main players in that cast of idiots have learned nothing and become more extreme in their views. It is as fresh and relevant as a window into the mindset of SLab then and now. You can see them believing their Imperial Masters would bale them out again.
It worked then but the arguments and resolve now are so strong for Independence that BT seem as weak and cowardly as they ever were.
Just waiting for JK Rowling to declare her hand…
Guy on from Aberdeen now. Leathering it well.
@ Capella says at 2:00 pm – ”Petra – have you seen the characters at Westminster? There are some decent intelligent politicians there but the ones with the loudest mouths are quite warped, the ERG for example and the Labour Blairites.”
Most, if not all, of them seem to be English Capella and I doubt that they’ll end up in Holyrood. I was thinking more of the Scottish crew in Westminster and the current Unionist losers in Holyrood, other than individuals like Andy Wightman. In saying that I’d be genuinely interested to hear if anyone on here can point out any Tory, Labour or Lib-Dem politician at Holyrood that’s actually worth their salt.
It’s the numbers game in Westminster Mcdonnell has looked at SNP against Scottish Labours pathetic handful.
Murray should look at Labours performance in the Euro Elections in Edinburgh(6th) – he will be scrapping for votes with Lord Bucketheid and the Monster Raving Loonies the official ones not the Brexit Party.
If UK Labour has its brain in gear they would firm up John McDonnell’s comments and then very quickly either strike a pro-eu pact with the Lib Dems and greens in England and Wales or come out as pro-EU and try to take back the voters they’ve lost to the Libdems in England and Wales.
They must realise that they have lost Scotland for good so the above tactic is best to get them in power in England and retain power in Wales.
Labours showing in the recent Welsh parliamentary by election coupled with polling for the Welsh Parliament must make them fear that they will lose Wales as they have done Scotland unless they change pretty quickly.
Never heard so much about Indy on Britnat radio. Radio 2 at noon. LBC twice today.
Gosh, do they think we’re serious?
You betcha. Watch you’re lights go out.
Radio LBC currently having a phone in about ,
Does Scotland want another independence referendum
And
Was there violence on both sides during the 2014 independence referendum
WGD:- ‘The arses who run what was the union.’
..”Kevin Schofield, the editor of Politics Home, reported on Twitter that a source within Labour in Scotland hadn’t taken long to inform him of the branch office’s reaction to John McDonnell’s remarks. It wasn’t flattering. The source said, “He’s a fucking imbecile and has just given our opponents all the ammunition they need. We will now be perceived as pro Brexit and anti union. Well done the arses that run what was the Labour Party.”…
…”Well done the arses that run what was the union.”
https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2019/08/07/the-arses-who-run-what-was-the-union/
One for those who make claims to valuing legal reason and moral probity. Two values that are alien to the practice of British constitutional law, apparently.
http://scholarship.law.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1941&context=mulr
RBS Big Chief saying RBS will move south in the evnt of an Indy Scotland.
Now where did I hear that before?
Here’s another wake-up call to those who value the rule-of-law, a bit of legal context to better judge authoritarian English nationalism (see the full-English Brexit).
Law, Morals, and Ethics
https://digitalcommons.law.yale.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3322&context=fss_papers
Looks like I was wrong in a previous posting. That 52% poll has got the usual BritNat suspects in a real lather. Even if there is no “Vow2” on the horizon (yet).
As for those (whether mendacious politicians or ignoramuses in phone-ins) who continue to claim “there is no support”, all they are succeeding in doing is demonstrating to the public-at-large that they are out-of-touch jerks. And the more that public opinion shifts, the more these losers condemn themselves, and the less they convince anyone else.
Yesterday and today I’m hearing radio presenters saying they now understand why people in Scotland want independence apparently it’s because of brexit and the VOW.
Me ? I think this is just another part of England’s propaganda game ,
They’ve tried promises , stay in the EU ,extra devolved powers etc if you reject Scottish independence
They’ve tried telling us we are too stupid too poor too small to be independent
They’ve tried telling us it’s up to England to decide if Scotland can have a Scottish independence referendum
They’ve tried telling us businesses will leave Scotland and we won’t have a mobile phone service or an NHS or a currency and nobody will trade with us
Recently they have shown signs of panic and as a result of that we are now seeing them being nice again , being understanding and telling us how much they like visiting Scotland but I reckon that behaviour will soon be followed by worse threats and insults than anything ever seen before
Oh my, Edinburgh wummin on LBC going to move to England when we become independent…. It doesn’t seem to have occurred to her that England,well Westminster really,might not allow her to…
@ Petra – the only member of the Scottish Parliament from the unionist parties I would consider a decent MSP is Claudia Beamish. She sounds intelligent and reaonable any time I’ve heard her.
There may be one or two others such as Sarah Boyack and Liam McArthur, but you’re right, most seem utter self serving, two faced half wits.
Tam the Bam @ 14:51,
I can hear the cheering already. Many folk would even help them pack their bags. They would do us a big favour if they went. Sooner the better we have a clean banking system in a new Scotland.
And a bit more legal reason for those who might be persuaded to vote for Scotland’s self-government.
https://www.oxfordscholarship.com/view/10.1093/acprof:oso/9780195343250.001.0001/acprof-9780195343250-chapter-4
Is there any other country on earth who has had to justify its existence the way Scotland has had to?
Listening to James O’Brien this morning I felt sad for him and the good folk of England in a way. In Scotland we have come such a long way over the last few years.
English identity is such a toxic label in the world that to be British where the worst excesses of Little England could to some extent be diluted by including the best of Scotland and Wales and N.Ireland is preferable for those who cannot face up to what is happening in England. I think they don’t know what it being English is and unfortunately the worst of Imperialism and Class and Racial discrimination have become to the outside world what England is.
England needs to regain its confidence in itself and an independent England would allow it to look at itself the way we in Scotland have had to scrutinise and be scrutinised.
It is healthy for us to be independent neighbours and the good folk of England, Wales and NI are seeing that now.
Thought I heard Mr Harris on Shelagh Fogarty’s show earlier, bleating on about who in their right minds would want to leave this wonderful union.
And one for Scottish lawyers who see no harm is supporting authoritarian English nationalism (see the full-English Brexit).
Four Reflections on Law and Morality
http://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1185&context=wmlr
Republicofscotland @ 3.07
Aye ye did… He seemed to be feeling pretty dammed unappreciated too.. 🙂
Republicofscotland @ 15:07,
Enoch Powell famously said that every politician’s career ends in failure, which is perhaps often – if not inevitably – true, but Tom Harris seems preternaturally determined to prove Powell right.
One for those who want to understand why British nationalists tend to be morally bankrupt. Full text.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/317491004_Autonomy_and_morality_A_Self-Determination_Theory_discussion_of_ethics
I listened to Garry Robertson interviewing Labour’s Ian Murray this morning on Radio Scotland.
The reception on my phone wasn’t great, but I’m certain
I heard Ian Murray describe the 2014 indy referendum as being “once in a lifetime”, which Garry Robertson didn’t pick Murray up on.
katherine hamilton@2.37
Hmm, do you think the Britnats are planning some big power cuts for Scotland? There were a few major ones in 2014, prior to the indy ref. half of Scotland was without power at one point, quite a coincidence for sure.
Re;Liz g @3.02pm
Hope that wummin on LBC is saving up to pay for her prescriptions, privatised water, privatised buses, and if has kids at Uni, hopefully she has savings for their tuition fees so as they don’t end up with £50k+ DEBT when they finish their degree.
England must look very attractive to her, wonder where she gets her specs from. Don’t let us stop you pet, bye bye, enjoy ‘England’s glorious not so green but quite unpleasant land’.
Ps. I am English (was) and not anti, and I wish them all the best, but I couldn’t live there now, no way.
The demise of the United Kingdom may well prove to be a protracted affair.
The forces designed to keep the entity on life support are gathering. RBS execs threatening mayhem, Labour politicians, or one at least, going for the schmooze.
If there were not so many chinks and cracks in the seemingly stalling independence machine such nonsense from the sidelines would not matter.
It may be dolldrums August but the down time should be used for overhauling and recalibrating the machine.
What that smell today, oh, i get it. PANIC.
Well, well, Lord Ashcroft’s poll certainly has the headless chickens running aboot.
RBS can GTF, anytime that it likes. Cheerio, and anyone else who wants to move to what will be left of England can go if they wish. We won’t detain you. It’ll be their choice, and we’re like that, we like people to have their own choice.
What is it wi a’ these Britnats,especially the ones from the ither side o’ the border, chunterin on and on about what we Scots can and cannot do. What the hell has it got to do with them. It’s our business, us, the peolpe of Scotland. We can and will decide for ourselves what we want. Not anyone else.
I think mibbies they are coming to realise, that after nearly five years since indyref1, and all the relentless spin and propaganda that we are being subjected too, we’re still standing. We haven’t gone away, and you know what, brexit means that there’s even more of us now. Shame that, intit.
Dr Jim says:
7 August, 2019 at 1:07 pm
Unionists are like Seagulls, if you stare them down they back away, but if you don’t keep an eye on them they’ll steal your chips …
James Barr Gardner says:
7 August, 2019 at 2:21 pm
BELTER !!!!!
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… and crap on you.
Yesterday’s woman aka.. pseudo successful politician created predominantly via the figment of metropolitan hacks collective imaginations… reaches out to voters who do not vote for her party in the hope that they are too dumb to see the p*sh that is clearly transparent in her tweet.
Tories in Scotland once again are orchestrating a campaign targeting the mentally challenged….that is ..dumb as f*ck peeps, Union cult followers, peeps who confuse religion with politics and who all spend most of their lives basing their voting decisions on the opposite of anything that promotes or benefits Scotland and it’s people.
Ruth is back onto her favourite subject… Independence Referendums…favourite as in it is all she wants to talk about especially now in the midst of a possible No Deal Brexit, the fact that she has no policies other than adopting Tartan variations of UKOK Tory government policies and also after her very public rebuttal from Bojo and Tory party members darn sarf….deflect deflect deflect.
Ruth states ” She feels for those Labour voters”…truth is Ruth feels nothing for anyone other than Ruth herself, the Tory party, Keeping WM ruling Scotland and like most of those peeps who vote for her party…making and basing decisions on the opposite of anything that promotes and benefits Scotland and it’s people.
Ruth is , like many Unionist politicians an irritant..but now a very much MINOR irritant as she is diminished in her imagined power , exaggerated influence and questionable credibility. She is not and never has been a force to be reckoned with instead has always been merely an obvious and crude pro UKOK product manufactured to offset the clear rise in self determination wanted by many more Scots post 2014…this is irrespective of Brexit for many of us…but now for other former No Scots it has become an urgent and obvious reached conclusion very much because of the damaging consequences of Brexit…No deal or otherwise.
Let her continue along her predictable path of carping from the sidelines…because that is her future in Scotland…if she makes peace with Bojo she will perhaps have a future in her beloved UKOK in a English constituency in a safe Tory seat or park her a*se in the HOL besides all of the self serving proud Scots buts…the buts being….British Unionists Terrible Scots.
Peter McCulloch 3.28
You heard correctly, Murray did bring up the once in a lifetime fable. Murray also stated that what Labour needs is new radical policies, to win back support in Scotland. Mr Murray never as much as hinted what these new radical reforms were and Richard Leonard has clearly never heard of them. Perhaps Mr Leonard goes to the wrong lodge.
Artyhetty says:
7 August, 2019 at 3:45 pm
Re;Liz g @3.02pm
Naw she wis a full on britnat along with what she said was colleagues and friends( they were all no last indy and still no) including her hubby.Obviously part of the local tory party where she lived. What got me was the too wee, too poor crap she came out with AND we couldn’t use the pound. I’d happily help pay her removal from Scotland on indy where can start paying for social care,prescriptions,buses etc in her beloved England- A tory freeloader was what she was.
Apologies for earlier and the closed managrment link
This should work
Make Unionist seethe!
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Murray suggests that Labour are an Internationalist Party?
How is that they have agreed that they should leave the
27 other countries in the EU?
How is it Labour apologises for and applauds the Irish
For their fight in freeing themselves from Westminster.
How can these cretins claim to be democratic and say that a
Country can’t change its decision when it’s circumstances have
Been completely changed for them?
No promise was made by anyone about a once in a generation referendum.
What is it Ruth the Mooth doesn’t understand about Scotland never giving the Tories
A majority vote in any form of election over the last 3 generations?
Isn’t she working on the basis that lies and stupidity might just get Scots to change their minds
and give her fascist party some kind of majority.
I’ve also got to say an unelected Bojo as PM isn’t democracy for me.
Having Fluffy Mundell as Scottish Minister when he is One Tory elected out of 59 possible seats isn’t democracy either.
Slab gettin’ pelters now on Radio Scotland!!…yeeha!
One poll has had a big impact. Just way till several polls show a consistent picture, which I’m sure they will.
I don’t think it’s come out of the blue. Britnatterdom has been expecting it because it sounds like private polling has already shown a Yes lead.
When there are several polls, the world will have changed completely. No longer can BritNat parties, the MSM, broadcasters, or Loony Tunes like Scotland in Union claim to represent or speak for the majority. They become the minority. And the more it shrinks the better.
Independence is being normalised. Self determination is what most folks want. Support for the UK Union becomes the preserve of only those with vested interests, which isn’t a good look!
Opposing the democratic process is unacceptable. Those who believe their special interest allows them to interfere are acting like fascist thugs. Democracy WILL take its course!
Lbc is a. Farce if you phone in you have to speak first to person who asks what you want,to say and if you are puting a hole in their agenda you do not get on I have been barred not officially of course but they never let me on after years of demolishing their stories Fogarty Obrien etc., they want to appear so reasonable,but not reasonable enough to accept a democratic vote they only want their kind of democracy no one else’s sad sad people
Tricky Dicky Leonard there on Radio Scotland….” The people of Scotland don’t want another Independence Referendum”….lol
“Poll?…WHAT POLL?……lol
@ Capella at 3.04
I’ve encountered both Claudia Beamish and Sarah Boyack during environmental campaigns (20+ years ago), and superficially they do both seem ok. But there’s a brick wall in there representing the union, and publicly at least they are confined by it.
galamcennalath @ 16:13,
Yeah. What particularly sticks in the craw though is that these hustlers assert all their self-invented restrictions in the name of democracy.
These supposed democrats are happy to let us vote for something they really want, but otherwise, not so much.
Mc Donnell is quoted as saying ” AS THE SITUATION STANDS AT THE MOMENT WE WOULD NOT BLOCK IT ” as the native Americans have supposedly said ” white man speaks with forked tongue ” as savvy WOSSERS we all know it’s not what is said it is what is NOT said that matters
Irrespective if these deluded imperialists ( english parliament , tongue slip ) can or can’t block it I personally am against ANY cooperation with LIEBOUR , their denigration and demonisation of Scots and Scotland has left me vehemently opposed to their existence in Scotland.
Their CATASTROPHIC governance of Scotland has caused untold hardship and injury to our most vulnerable , they will NEVER be forgiven in my eyes
Sounds like the unionists are gearing up for an all out propaganda war on Scottish independence, we are the Venezuela of the UK, sanctions to follow soon.
Scotland going to the polls for the first time to decide on its constitution future is of course a once in a lifetime experience.
The second time (or heaven forbid, third or whatever) is never going go be quite the same. 😉
@Robert J. Sutherland
He also said that ‘its not yet known whether the Scottish people might choose independence, but they should not be obstructed just because of the treaty of union’ & he is a totem for our opponents.
@ Proud Cybernat.
‘as the situation is at the moment, we will not block it’
Methinks a wee get out clause there.
Remember in early 2014 it was really really spooky how the media across the rest of the UK seemed to be pretty unaware and unconcerned about Indyref 1?
Despite the campaign running for over a year?
We wondered if they were ever going to wake England up to the fact that it was happening!
N.Ireland was aware of It and presumably were watching and I don’t really know about Wales!
It looked like England was going to be left to wake up on the 20th Sep 2014 to find out Scotland was off! In which was, and still is, a bigger change to England,Wales & N.Ireland than Brexit ever could or will be.
What a difference this time,we’ve no even announced our date yet.
Well done us Yes’ers 🙂 we kept Indy alive to thrive.
It will be interesting to see if after the Yes vote Scotland makes the News EVERY single day till actual Independence day like Brexit has?
Will Nicola and her team get the air time that the elected by no one Farage and his ilk has during the Westminster negotiations?
Or will the MSM ( as I suspect ) attempt to air brush Scotland immediately from their reporting?
Will the first thing to go not be the RBS but the MSM…
I suspect we will need the Indy media more than ever to keep us informed about what’s going on…..
Are you listening Rev Campbell?
Blair Paterson @ 4-15pm
I managed to get airtime on Darren Adam @ LBC about a year ago but only because I told a wee fib where I pretended to concur with the proposition Darren Adam was extoling . Once on air ..I put on my real troosers and told him in no uncertain terms that I strongly objected to his use of ‘separatists and nats’as a pejorative for people in support of an Independent Scotland!
Needless to say I was immediately shown the door…lol
@ crazycat – interesting point. I can only go by what I’ve heard them say in committee. Sarah Boyack has a good record in Environment policy and land reform. I believe she was involved in setting up the Cairngorms National Park and also introduced free bus travel for over 60s.
Claudia Beamish is also involved in environment policy as you say. She challenges government policy on deer numbers and raptor persecution AFAIK.
When compared to the vacuousness of most of their unionist colleagues they are remarkably well informed and capable.
But they are unionists, otherwise they could defect to the SNP and do some very useful work.
Fish supper please, Sorry no fish suppers the people of Scotland have no appetite for them only Faggot suppers today,
I don’t like Faggots I like fish, Nope! can’t have it told you no appetite in Scotland for them
But nobody in Scotland buys Faggots, Yes they do always have and always will because Scottish people are just the same as English people and they like them, shut your mouth
I’m going to another chippy then, No you’re not lock the doors you’re not leaving this chippy until you’ve become a Faggot eater and that’s the end of it, But?… Nope! shut up
Dr Jim ‘4-34pm
lol………I’ll settle for a bag o’ chips then.
@ Jock McDonnell.
‘ obstructed just because of the Treaty of Union’
Interesting, that I think is the first time they have ever referred to the Treaty of Union. Does he understand what a treaty is I wonder, is he aware of his own country’s Attorney Generals take on treaties.
Murray doesn’t even understand basic geography. He says he is an internationalist. However in order for that term to exist, there first needs to be things called nations.
If he argues that his internationalism is British, and not Scottish. Then he is in fact a British nationalist.
With this argument he is claiming one larger nation is legitimate , while a smaller one is not. I am pretty sure his passport doesn’t say “International Citizen” on it. every nation is legitimate if the majority of the population agree it is a nation. That’s called democracy.
Murray is not a democrat either. Because he is personally against something, he claims it to be illegitimate. So in other words it’s only his opinion that matters.
He wants to stop the Scottish nation from making it’s own decisions. Yet he represents a seat in that nation. He is there to represent the people not himself or the Labour party. Nicola Sturgeon has always been very careful to represent all of the people of Scotland. Even if some of them are at polar opposites.
Murray is very much a fascist. He talks the language of internationalism but his belief system is utterly undemocratic.
The Scottish nation have voted SNP since 2007, to now. They last voted Tory in 1959. He is on the same side of the political spectrum as the right wing dictators. McDonnell is old School Labour. Murray is Tory light labour.
Show me the statute in British constitutional law, that specifies the length of intervals between advisory plebiscites. Better still, show me the statutory legal instrument that establishes England’s supremacy in constitutional legal matters. The Treaty of Union is an issue of international law. Subsequently, the Prime Minister does not have the legal authority to determine what it means. To do so is an assault on the international rule-of-law. But then, BoJo is an illiberal charlatan.
Watched Monday nights 7pm BROADCAST SCOTLAND with indy car Gordon Ross , one of his guests was Angus B McNeil MP talking about his proposal for a GE independence manifesto as a plan B , he was also concerned that SOME in the SNP hierarchy were being too cautious and needed to be more challenging and forthright when it came to indy
Gordon also said that he hopes to have Chris Mc Eleny SNP councillor on the Broadcast Scotland show on Thursday to discuss same
Out of the Scottish-English alliance came the British Empire. Unless you have just descended from fairyland by no standard was that particular enterprise ‘a good thing’.
Leaving Scotland’s ‘humiliation’ at the hands of the assertively anglocentric régime out of the equation, is the internationalist Ian Murray at ease with the founding principle of the Union and its all-devouring imperialist drivers eg the systematic stripping of India of its wealth, the pushing and dealing of opium in China, the carving up of Africa and the mischief making in the MiddleEast which all helped to lay the foundations of the great wealth of the imperial capital and of the British state currently heading for the reefs?
@ Golfnut
Well.. he’s 20 years dead .. but its safe to say he did understand the power & importance of words.
O/t just watching tipping point. Multi choice Question asked martin kaymer is a golfer from which EUROPEAN COUNTRY. Scotland Germany or Wales. Wow ITV recognising us as a european country. Do they know something we dont.
@Golfnut says: 7 August, 2019 at 4:25 pm:
” … ‘as the situation is at the moment, we will not block it’
Methinks a wee get out clause there.”
Aye! Golfnut, no matter what they say or promise us, we must never drop our guard when the opponents are members of the Westminster Establishment. There are always, no matter which party, some cunning stunts among them.
We must always expect the unexpected for these people have no principles.
Remember Mr Gummer, MP, the then agriculture minister, who, during the first BSE outbreak, encouraged his own daughter Cordelia to eat a burger in front of television cameras in an attempt to show infected beef was safe to eat. Later it was proven, what everyone had suspected, BSE, (Mad cow disease), was caught by eating infected beef.
Wee Doogie Alexander (ah want ma seat back!) will be on Radio Scotland in 5 mins…re Slab/Indy.
@ Capella says at 4:32 pm …. ”Sarah Boyack has a good record in Environment policy and land reform…. Claudia Beamish is also involved in environment policy as you say. She challenges government policy on deer numbers and raptor persecution AFAIK……
Alright that two plus Andy Wightman, leaving 55 posts to be filled by someone with half a brain. Maybe when our 35 MP’s return from London, joined by the 15 that lost their Westminster posts, they could spread out across the debating chamber leaving space for 5 more. I know that a lot of people aren’t too keen on him, but I’d love to see Tommy Sheridan shooting his mouth off in Holyrood once again. If so, 4 places left, lol. Any takers? I nominate Auld Bob for one. He’d sort them all out, tout de suite.
Jock McDonnell @ 16:25,
Enoch Powell, I presume…?
A complex character and unreconstructed British Nationalist, but he did have some principles. I imagine he would have been utterly contemptuous of the present shower of pseudo-democratic PSB flip-flops.
Tam the bam 2.51pm. Anyone in Scotland with an Rbs bank account should close it. Send these a***holes a message that they wont make fools out of us twice.
Nicola on Manx Radio News, westminster have every right tobargue against Independence but theupy dont have the right to block a referendum. I would argue its got feck all to do with Westminster. The UN on the rights of peoples says that an identifiable people have the right to choose their political future without outside interference.
Richard Leonard on BBC R2 5pm news stating no demand for another referendum and if I caught it right opposition to ‘rerunning a second referendum’.
Ahead of the game there – surely we should have the second referendum first.
I expect the Yoons are doubling down due to Ashcroft’s poll which shows them the game is pretty much up which gives them the willies and makes them hyper scared. So their only comfort blanket is to deny all of what Ashcroft’s polls show them.
Hi Rev, are you preparing a poll for Wings soon? If so can you please ask your pollsters to include 16 and 17 year olds and EU citizens unlike Ashcroft so we can take a proper temperature of what Yes actually is?
Bobp@5.08pm
Now you may think they made a fool of you but how exactly did they make a fool of “us”?
I still don’t know Labours position on this. Do I listen to Labour major or Labour minor.
It is like the old TV comedy “Soap” – “What happens next?”
Bobp @ 5-08pm
The RBS GRG (Global Restructuring Group) forced my former employer into administration and ultimate liquidation in 2009.
The GRG have since been rightfully condemned as nothing more than an asset-stripping branch of RBS.
So when I hear big Ross (he’s off soon anyway…with a massive golden handshake) threatening to move his bunch of shysters down south…let me help him pack.
#donthastenback
Lenny Hartley@5.10pm
Spot on.
“Without outside interference” yes that means diddies like HYFUD and Lucey.
I wonder how those of the yoon persuasion will feel after Brexit when they become just another load of annoying Scots.
Sarah Boyack was a lecturer of mine. I wouldn’t trust her as far as I could through her. She either lied to my face in the run-up to the 2014 indy ref, and denied any knowledge of the concept of “competitive destruction”, or she exhibits a worryingly patchy understanding of reality.
Ruth Davidson? Who is she? Was she someone who was once important?
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“The EU referendum is a once in a generation decision. The Government believes it is in you and your family’s best interests that the UK remains in the European Union”.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/515068/why-the-government-believes-that-voting-to-remain-in-the-european-union-is-the-best-decision-for-the-uk.pdf
I wonder how many Remainer UK politicians who said the EU ref was once in a generation now support another EU-Ref?
Why is the UK Tory Govt allowed to change it’s mind from being pro-EU to anti-EU but, Scotland is to be bound by the “once in a generation” rhetoric of Alex Salmond and the then 2014 Scot Govt?
Of course, politicians can genuinely change their minds about a topic. As can the voters. That’s democracy.
Then there’s the Ruth Davidson, Richard Leonard and David Mundell type of opinions. Comments said, not because they hold those opinions but, because it’s politically expedient at the time to say they do. Completely false, completely fake. Completely insincere. Charlatans. Mouthpieces of Unionist headquarters in London.
Cubby 5.24pm Rbs threatened this in 2014. Scotland voted no. Now repeat after me.
Bobp@5.37pm
Only a fool would believe that. Sorry don’t repeat nonsense that fools post.
Only a fool would post a believe as a fact without any evidence that it had a significant impact on the result.
Your post may be brief in content but it is large in nonsense. Now anyone, but a fool, would stop digging when in a hole but I am pretty sure the spade will see more action from Bobp the self confessed fool.
Colin Alexander@5.33pm
“Completely insincere. Charlatans. Mouthpieces of Unionist headquarters.”
Looking in the mirror at the time Mr Alexander?
Cubby 5.50. Look i posted a valid comment that i believe was one of the reasons that frightened/fooled Scotland into voting no in 2014. Immediately you jump on me accusing me of being a fool/liar etc. Do me a favour fcuk off you gobshite.
Time for a bit more legal philosophy? Perhaps this might prove persuasive in encouraging the more reationary ellements of Scotland’s legal profession, to reject British nationalism in favour of supporting ethical rationalism and the principle of universal human rights?
https://ndpr.nd.edu/news/the-right-to-justification-elements-of-a-constructivist-theory-of-justice/
Anyone hear Ian Murray on R4 this morning.
When asked why he thought it was OK to have a 2nd EU ref but not a 2nd Indy ref he replied that it was a principled stance and perfectly logical.
He also twice managed to get in a reference to the fact the the SNP sold out the labour government in 1979? causing us all to have to suffer umpteen years of Tory Gov which is why we are in this mess now.
Oh, and nobody in Scotland wants independence…
RBS moving the brass plaque won’t happen if an indy Scotland joins the EU. Access to those markets without changing anything is a bigger carrot than London’s stick.
Balaaargh @ 6-08pm
I concur.
Tam the Bam @ 17:02,
I didn’t listen in, but that aching NorthBritLab exceptionalism is quite a heavy chip to carry on the shoulder of ultra-smoothie-chops Dougie. I weep for him. (In some parallel universe.)
I doubt though if either of “The Alexander Brothers” (Dougie and Danny) can be persuaded to leave their southern troughs to risk another encounter with a now-wiser Scottish electorate. In the case of the Labour ex-star-climber, though, political career in the bin but still unable to resist the odd bitter remonstrance from a safe distance.
Their loss (from us), our gain.
Re;
Tam the Bam. says:
7 August, 2019 at 5:02 pm
‘Wee Doogie Alexander (ah want ma seat back!) will be on Radio Scotland in 5 mins…re Slab/Indy.’
They really are all panicking aren’t they. Oh oh. Coming oot the woodwork now, Doogie A. thinking he has authority on anything regarding Scotland, deluded in the extreme.
Somehow think the BBC and other Britnat mediah are going to control the narrative, again. Still, Scotland by and large sees right through their lies now. The Britnats have nothing to offer Scotland, most people know that they are stealing from Scotland every day of the year, to the tune of £billions if not in fact £trillions re the oil etc.
Britnats should start thinking on how they might negotiate with Scotland to make it easier for themselves, maybe even be given a few of Scotland’s trinkets, if they ask nicely. 🙂
Balaaargh says:
Good point. WGD opined a few weeks ago that iScotland could begin on Day 1 in the EU single market and customs union. If he is correct (and why not) that is a big incentive for businesses to stay. In fact, post Brexit it’s a massive bonus for most – getting back into the EU business/trading club without doing anything!
Then, as iScotland proves to be stable, it’s an incentive to move here and invest here.
Start as Norway Plus, then we can sort out EU membership is a majority want that.
Just listened to John McDonnell’s interview on the news at six (BBC):
“I’m not going to fall into Nicola Sturgeon’s trap of blaming the ‘big bad English’…..
I doubt if anyone has EVER heard Nicola blaming the English …blaming Westminster certainly…but blaming the English?
I think not John.
Re broadcast media’s frenzy. Now, I can’t speak from personal experience because I avoid virtually all broadcast news and current affairs on the basis it’s fake, biased, or I won’t learn anything from it.
It seems from what is being said online that the media are wheeling out a string of BritNats with few pro independence folks to balance.
Do they really still believe that giving wall to wall coverage to only one side is working? The evidence is it’s causing people to turn off or question. It’s probably even counter productive (from a pro UK perspective).
It seems that the SNP are to be held to account via ‘the once in a generation’ thing.I heard Alex Salmond say something similar,speaking for himself,not the SNP,and clarified it as personal opinion.
Meanwhile,the rest of the parties aren’t to be held accountable via the “as near to federalism as possible”,the vow,the Smith commission,the Scotland act rammed through the “English” parliament (not my words),over a century of lying about closing the House of Lords,(now stuffed with ermine clad ‘Labour’ Lords and a load of other things.
Anyway,some MPs who survived the 2015 cull seem to have forgotten what happened to Labour then. If I was high up in UK Labour,I too would take Mr McDonnells’ view.How are they supposed to get any of the fallen 40 back without giving ground to reality?
Ian Murray is an unprincipled, illiberal, moron. Fair comment.
eprints.lse.ac.uk/31273/1/On_Amartya_Sen_%28LSERO_version%29.pdf
Curious, come to think about it, this Ruthiesplaining about “betrayal” by London Labour. Not just because of her personal flip-flops and kow-towing to London, but because of what her lot did to El Gordo and his vowery once his (and NorthBritLab’s) usefulness to them was over.
Abused by Flip-flop and flatly contradicted by their Imperial Masters in London, and yet the dummies in Labour’s northern branch still don’t get it.
Bobp@6.00pm
Sorry it was not a valid comment. Only in your fools mind could it be valid. As I thought digging away like the fool you are trying to defend your initial foolish comment.
I never said you were a liar as you state in this post. I did state you were a self confessed fool. I now say you are a foul mouthed self confessed fool that does not like critical comment. Perhaps fools should think twice before posting nonsense on Wings. Wings is not known for suffering fools gladly.
England created the UK state over time through strength. Albeit needing subterfuge, bribery and coercion rather than conquest to get Scotland in. Morals aside, England created this state through strength.
Now, in an age of highly developed international law and unprecedented levels of co-operation between countries, England is attempting to keep the UK state together from a position of weakness. Not merely material weakness but also psychological weakness of a most debilitating kind. What else is brexiteering but psychological weakness?
As in 1707 Scotland remains small in population compared to our friends in the south. Yet we are far stronger in the criteria by which EU member states and others judge a country’s strength in the modern world. An outward looking attitude, co-operativeness and a progressive spirit.
It’s bad enough having the current crop of Unionist politicians giving it dokey without the many has-beens crawling out of the woodwork to butt their nebs in. Douglas Alexander works as an advisor to some law firm now and should stick to doing just that. The other Alexander brother Danny did a runner following lying through his teeth to the Scots in 2014. What a bunch of charlatans right enough.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Alexander
Ruth only stands for one thing and that is no to Scottish independence. She has absolutely nothing to say about anything else that she sticks to with any consistency. She is irrelevant to Boris’ plans and she should be irrelevant to ours.
BBC Scotland exactly 5 mins on the shadow chancellors indyref2 statement,no secondary questions to Leonard etc…….2 1/2 mins to puppy farming,they must think our heads button up the back.
The establishment are shitting themselves and no mistake.
Cubby I’m trying to figure out what’s wrong with anyone saying that the RBS threats contributed to putting people off of supporting Independence. I reckon that the cumulative threats did. As to Mr Lucey. Why are you trying to drive people like him off the site? I don’t get it.
Petra @ 18:44,
Amen to that.
We don’t need steroidal-level agression displacing honest debate.
Tony Hay @ 6-42pm
Precisely.No real surprise that Leonard wasn’t confronted with the Ashcroft poll revealing there very definitely IS an appetite for Indyref2…or asked how he felt about the fact the same poll revealed that 40% of S/Lab voters would now back a second Indy ref.
I’m sorry if my style is boring to some, but I think this stuff is kind of important. So in the interests of balance, the (t)Ruthless one is similarly an unprincipled, illiberal, moron. Fair comment.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0090591715609407
That Ashcroft poll has certainly pulled the rug from a lot of opponents of Independence. What we need a couple more to confirm the direction of travel to make their nightmare permanent.
Petra
me too
sussed ages ago
@ Jock McDonnell.
Ach, I thought you were referring to John McDonnell’s interview.
Powell,
He was indeed an orator, pity he didn’t put his skill to better use.
Robert J Sutherland@6.49pm
Mr Sutherland as you are obviously referring to me please note the following:
1. Never touched steroids in my life. Care to apologise?
2. I think you should look at your some of your own “honest debate type of comments that you have posted previously” before making such statements. People in glass houses throwing stones. You have had a few cracking ” honest debates ” yourself with people like the other Robert.
Just trying to pick a fight with me are you Mr Sutherland?
O/T boys and girls, ladies and gents Here’s the latest on workplace sectarianism in Northern ireland.
I know sectarianism is an issue in Scotland.
I hope none of you ever encounter it in your daily work but if you do – maybe this will be helpful
https://eurofree3.wordpress.com/2019/08/07/an-taoiseach-royal-portraits-and-sectarianism-in-the-nio/
Cubby @ 19:44,
It’s you who are so obviously lusting to pick fights.
You also obviously don’t understand the use of metaphor.
But the nature of your reply does rather prove the point people are making.
Can anyone moderately rational, describe the full-English Brexit as being in the interests of the “common good”? Can anyone moderately rational, describe contemporary Britain as being a functioning deliberative democracy?
https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/beerbohm/files/beerbohm_davis_common_good_journal_of_political_philosophy.pdf
Robert J Sutherland
Mr Sutherland I am not obviously lusting to pick a fight with you. I just don’t let people away with making incorrect, insulting and hypocritical comments about me. I do know what a metaphor is. I also know when people are patronising.
You have had plenty of fights on Wings in the past using some choice language so please stop all this holier than thou crap.
Someone should tell RBS that they will NEVER operate in an Indy Scotland.
They can pick through the bones of the failed casino banking South of the Border.
In these people’s minds “Business is Business, Cash is King.”
Newton’s third law states; For ever action has an equal and opposite reaction.
Therefore;
There will be more than enough Savings and Investment Banks queuing up for brass plaques in an iScotland so RBS can whistle oot their arse IMHO!
I’m sure their shareholders will be happy!
Petra@6.44pm
You raise two seperate questions. I will answer them in turn.
1. I never said anything like you posted re cumulative threats etc. That is your incorrect interpretation of my words. My comments were related to RBS fooling US. They may have fooled some fools but there is no evidence to support that RBS fooled US and that alone led to a no vote. That was what was posted.
2. Lucey. Anyone can post on Wings it is an open forum. Lucey can post when he wants so I am not driving him off. No more than you driving off others you have criticised eg Craig Murray.
“People like him.” Don’t know what you mean by that. What I do understand about Lucey is that he regularly posts ( not just on Wings) the same points – is corrected in some detail as per R. Peffers recently and then comes back later and says the same anti independence stuff ignoring the rebuttal info previously provided to him. The same approach that HYFUD takes.
Hopefully that helps clarify the points you raised.
Defo@7.29pm
Got something to say why not try saying it yourself.
British constitutional practice is justified through natural law, and the assurance of natural justice. The full-English Brexit anihilates the natural law and natural justice principles that justify the British constitution. Subsequently, the only way to justify British nationalism is through utilitarian ethics, which are incapable of delivering social justice.
https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674604261
Oh well no more to be said other than we’ll just have to agree to disagree Cubby.
Yes. Yes they are charlatans. 🙂
I rest my case
Defo@10.24pm
What case would that be – you never said anything.
Petra@9.38pm
No idea what you think we are disagreeing about. You asked me some questions in a reasonable manner and I answered them in a reasonable and respectful manner. If you don’t want to clarify what you are still disagreeing with me about then fine but next time you ask me some questions I may well not bother answering as what is the point.
Pity some others have taken your comments to then have a go at me. If posters like you ask me questions in a reasonable manner I respond in a reasonable manner if others like Bobp abuse me then they get no respect from me. If they post nonsense then I will comment as I see it. Pretty much the same as you do.
If the Scottish public only appreciated how corrupt and unjust British constitutional practice is.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.2202/1940-1639.1121
Cubby , you say to Petra I abused you. I never said a word to you till you jumped on me in your post at 5.50pm calling me a fool and intimating I was lying. What is your problem pal? Have you got mental issues?.
The only “Unionists” in the UK are the Scottish type!!
There are no Unionists in England, they don’t give a shit about Scottish Unionists cause England is the Uk and they own Scotland.
Scottish Unionists make me broke cause they are serfs and happy to be so and think the English establishment are thanking them for it.
FFS GROW A SET
Bobp@11.09pm
1. I repeat I never said you were lying or “intimating” you were lying.
2. No mental issues here just a good memory unlike you. Perhaps you abuse so many people you can’t remember. You don’t get a free pass when you abuse me.
3. I ain’t your “pal”.
4. Your comment at 5.05pm was nonsense then and still is.
5. In my book telling someone to ” fcuk off you gobshite” is abusive.
Cubby , right then just scroll past my posts in future without trolling me you gobshite.
Cubby @ 20:43,
It’s interesting. Although I wrote “reply” previously I should of course have written “response”, since I actually addressed my posting to someone else. And in it I made a generic point about excessively-aggressive posts which interfere with good debate. (Which is objectively true, no matter who says it. To which sadly the present thread now attests.)
Nowhere there did I actually make any reference to you in particular. Yet in responding, and as aggressively as you did, you clearly self-identified. So who am I to disagree with you on that? =grin=
Robert J Sutherland@11.55pm
Nonsense – Petra referred to me in the post.
” Aggressively” – I pointed out your hypocrisy. If you find that aggressive then it must be a different Robert J Sutherland who is posting now from the one who has posted all the previous truly aggressive comments I have seen.
Mr Sutherland you just didn’t like your hypocrisy being pointed out.
Bobp@11.49pm
Sorry you don’t get to tell me what to do. Especially as you keep using foul language to abuse me.
If you post nonsense I will call it out for what it is if I want to.
I wonder in what type of company/ world you have inhabited in which you feel able to abuse people and expect them just to suck it up and accept it. Oh that’s right you live in England don’t you.
Honestly folk, the practice of British constitutionalism is a million miles from liberal pluralism.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10551-016-3272-x
@ CBB 5.29 – also interesting re Sarah Boyack. But I must confess I have no idea what competitive destruction is either. Is it what’s happening to the Labour Party?
Ah boo hoo the mung bean can dish it out, but doesn’t like it dished back.
Cubby 12.20am. Wee bit of anti-englishness creeping in there eh? Couldn’t help yourself eh. Something you are Quick to jump on others about.
Bobp
More nonsense and abuse from Bobp. You are the one dishing out all the foul language. I repeat if you post nonsense I reserve the right to comment on it. You don’t get to tell me what I can post – no matter how often you swear etc etc.
On the other hand you could stick to just watching Tipping Point and not post your nonsense.
Ian Murray saying Richard Leonard ruled out Scotland Indy2 on Sunday Politics
NOT TRUE
BBC Scotland edited clip
He refuses to confirm scottish labour position after being asked 3 x by gordon brewer
Boy,
that Cubby is one nasty piece of work, and his aidekick who’s name escapes me just now.
Only he has the road to salvation.
Kenny J @12.30pm
Many thanks for your kind observation. Care to expand on how you came to that conclusion or do you just enjoy dishing out personal abuse and then run away?
“Only he has the road to salvation”. – no idea what you are talking about – never posted anything that could be interpreted as religious.
Not a great first post.
Hi Cubby.
Not his first post.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-screw/comment-page-1/#comment-2472439
BDTT@2.00pm
Thanks Brian. I stand corrected. It really really isn’t that difficult to admit when you are wrong. Pity others resort to personal abuse when they are shown to be wrong.
Capella
I think what is happening to the Labour party is a shame, but it is what happens when you forget your political principles and feel obliged to out gammon the gammons. Then again, the British Labour party has always tried to marry socialism with colonialism.
Competitive destruction is one of the most significant economic theories relating to capital formation. I’ll not bore you with the details, but it is quite alarming that a lecturer in Town and Country Planning, would not at least be aware of it. For example, measured one way, the London Docklands Corporation was an economic success. Measured another way, it was a major cause of competitive destruction, attracting investment that would have been made elsewhere, due to the Corporation’s ‘business friendly tax and planning regulations. So local economies elsewhere were bled of investment, and local democracy diluted in the east-end of London. Huzza shouted the Tories. 😉
McDonnell and his English Parliament can go and shaft themselves.
A referendum or not is the choice of the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish people.
What do politicians do? Most of them haven’t done a stroke of real work , impossible to get an appointment with any politician, their supposed to be working for the people the more you look at it the more inept the whole set up is, nobody under 40 should be in politics and we need real working people not chancers who never tell the truth and want an easy way through their working life to get a big pension at the end what a farce the whole system is.
Can someone tell me who said the referendum was ” once in a generation” and in what context and what authority they had to say it on my behalf?