Wings Over Scotland

Excellent image of where labour and the tories want scotland – on the outside. JC wants freedom for every other nation in the world – just not Scotland and BJ just wants our resources and a tory playground but definitely does not want to debate with NS because he knows he is just not up to it and that he does not have a leg to stand on – she would wipe the floor with him (without a mop).

As for JS – who voted for austerity more often than many conservatives – I hope she loses her seat – it would do the LD’s a favour.

With you, Chris, ‘getting the picture’ has never been easier.
Thank you.

Yip, great cartoon. That is how the media keeps Scotland to England’s heel.

‘Today we’re having a discussion on the ‘union’, and with me are three commentators who will answer your questions. They ar all from England, and all oppose ‘vile separatism, and think we are better together (except the EU)’.

Meanwhile, the paid liars at the propagandist London mouthpiece BBC IN Scotland, are doing their very hardest work ,to try to make the SNP look bad and responsible for anything and everything that is wrong.

What an utter bunch of low life liars the so-called ‘scottish’ and yookay media is.

And somebody please tell me why it is that London journalists coming up here during elections, ALWAYS visit Aberdeen and the fishing industry (mainly owned by a few large, wea;lthy conglomerates) on the N.east of Scotland? Funny how they ~~NEVER visit the folk on the west coast whose entire fishing industry is predicated upon simple, easy access to the EU, for same day, rapid delivery of langoustine and such like to top restaurants in Spain and other EU countries.

When two sides of a set of scales are equally weighted they offer equilibrium, when one side adds weight the equilibrium is gone and will never return (as there is no capacity within this ‘union’ for righting itself or for self regulation).

And when the debate is controlled by despots, certain captains of industry and some kings of finance who can only ‘succeed’ by exploiting the naivety or trust of other people, you know their ‘union’ is finished and as we have recently witnessed,when their careers end suddenly or tragically, they cannot understand what has happened to them.

Hold the front page, with uncanny timing, on line 13 we have our old friend, the Sèideadh Feadan with a wee lie about the NHS (who is not an agent or a hired woman/man by the way, just to clear that up, you know how rumours start) go right ahead, my lovely.

Nice one Chris.

Great image and sentiments.
Good job most of Fife is with the outsider lol

Footsoldier @ 8.53.

Not just the BBC. I hear died in the wool Unionists complaining that the whole media has overcooked the criticism of the SNP.

On hospitals one Unionist acquaintance said do they not realise that we also get the TV programmes from London where we hear horror stories about English hospitals which are ten times worse than anything “up here”.

Note the reluctance to even say “Scotland” and another favourite of theirs is “breaking up the country” forgetting that Brexit will not only do that but also the back of everyone..

Reading the Daily Hail latest farce edition.

Stephen Daisley is obviously eating well on fake news Britnat column.
He could pass for Alfred Hitchcock in his picture.

Multi faceted are his SNP complaints today after last night’s debate.

Breathtaking his claims, well more than normal.
He counted interruptions and that Nasty Nicola only got 17 and our Eton Elitist Bojo the Clown got 45.

He is certain that the BBC forgot their Britnat Charter and must have bused down Scottish Nationalists and worse than that the English members sympathetic to Nicola know nothing
About Scottish Politics!

It’s seems the BBC must face a row about bias as they allowed an actress to question
Yellow Tory Swansong. Didn’t they know that she appeared in the Film I Daniel Blake
Which caused the beloved Tories embarrassment by depicting the brutal and draconian
Reality of their horrendous Universal Discredit punishment scheme.

All this and people Guffawing at our Bojo made this a car crash of a show!

Can you spare just £2 per week?
We have people who are comfort eating to relieve the stress of having
To produce back breaking quantities of lies and deceit on a daily hail basis.
£2 could buy him a Kilmarnock pie and allow him to stop relying on blood money.

Please send your checks to Engerland Fascist HQ, Downing St, God’s Own City,
UK Ya Bass.

Nicola must have wiped the floor with the other three last night to an even-greater degree than I imagined she had, while watching th programme.

The way the English media is rushing this morning to ignore her, or to damn her superb performance with faint praise, she must really have opened English eyes to what a poor lot the Unionist party leaders really are.

If we are talking diamonds amidst the dross, last night, she was the Koh-i-Nur.

Professor J Curtis on Radio Shortbread a few mins ago . . Nicola won the debate but that does not count etc . . . did he not notice that she educated English people on how badly they were governed.

Great show from Nicola last night. She was hone honest and forthright in everything she said.She actually looked more relaxed than I have seen her for a while.

The media of course try to downplay the fact she was head and shoulders above the rest,but thats where we find ourselves now.
Talent only exists where the media says it exists.

Reosting from previous thread –
Newsnight 5 minute post-mortem of the leaders’ debate studiously ignores Nicola Sturgeon. She wasn’t there, apparently. First half on Boris Johnston, next up, Jeremy Corbyn (and Boris Johnston) then briefly on Jo Swinson’s lead balloon performance. End of, thank you.

Viewers in England must be wondering who that strange woman is in the photo.
link to bbc.co.uk

I thought Nicola’s performance was spot on and by far the best. So naturally the BBC will edit her out of the news. Remember when the Soviet Union used to doctor photos to remove persona non grata?

Cartoon says it all.

Last night proves that Nicola is in a different league from the the three leaders of the ‘English parties’.

This colonial attitude from London can’t last. More people everywhere are seeing it for what it is. The way to deal with the ‘Scottish problem’ is to deny the Scots democracy – that’s an unsustainable strategy.

English people who don’t live round here invariably struggle to pronounce Kirkcaldy and usually render it as Kirk-kaldy with a definite pause in the middle and a long ‘a’ sound, just as Mr Cairns has depicted.

About QT – how long can it last? Fiona Bruce is dire, especially he little audience chats, like “Are we all not tired?” etc, supposed to be homely??

I think the ripping apart of Mentorn’s part in audience selection every time a QT goes out, must depress the producers, knowing it’s the easiest thing to identify questioners later – see latest ‘white shirt man’ on Rev’s twitter (wonder if he’s related to our very own manky-shirt man), it does say he’s worn the same shirt every time he’s been on the show!

Swinson started the campaign as a self-proclaimed contender for PM. Now she’s just an insurance policy for BoJo to stay in No.10.

One hundred and eiiiiiighty.

It’s literally from “Kirk All Day”.

Excellent Chris right on the money I say.

Also lets not get hung up on the spelling correct or incorrect, it’s the meaning of the cartoon that matters.

O/T Joseph Stiglitz being interviewed on Euronews right now.

sassenach says:
23 November, 2019 at 10:26 am

…It made me wonder if people in England, generally, hear as much anti-SNP garbage from BBC as we up here have to put up with from Pacific Quay?…

Similar, but I wondered the same thing when Corbyn casually started talking about “once in a lifetime” opportunities, as if the expression wasn’t ‘loaded’ in any way, and nothing like the way our domestic Unionists like to pretend the words are some kind of sacred gospel against which IndyRef2 is heresy.

Either Corbyn hadn’t read the script properly, or the “Once in a lifetime” bollocks is just contrived horseshit for Scotland’s ears only.

Ever notice how BritNats like slogans? Brexit mean Brexit. Once in a Generation. No to a Second Referendum. Get Brexit done. BritNats are using slow gains like linguistic crutches to support people who have to say “something” but cannot articulate a persuasive argument, and need a utility phrase they can draw like a gun.

But maybe don’t knock it. A wee round ‘anything’ in Pantone 300 says all you need to know about YES. We’ve ascended to a higher plane which doesn’t need a gimmick or a slogan at all. A colour is enough.

For I ken mysel’ by the queer-like smell,
That the next stop’s kirkcaddy.

As usual, nearly all the “questions” about the SNP’s GE policies were not about that at all. They were attacks on the record of the UK devolution SNP Govt or criticisms of Scotland in general.

My own view is that such attacks are irrelevant as that’s not about the SNP’s UK GE policies or record at WM, so should be refused by the Chair. Similarly, the SNP asserting a record of good governance in devolution is also irrelevant. The result is, we get the same auld “SNP bad v SNP good in devolution” arguments that have nothing to do with this UK GE.

If arguments were to be made about the SNP’s record, it should be their WM policies and voting and debating record at WM. Same applies with Tories, LibDems and Labour. Yet, as another example, we have Boris Johnson talking of his time as London mayor.
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I felt the best question, made as a genuine question – not barbed point-scoring attacks framed as “questions” – came from the dark haired woman to Nicola regarding s30 and Indyref2.

Basically, she asked: what do you plan to do if the Empire says no to allowing indyref2?

Nicola responses were (my summary from memory) :

She doesn’t want to answer that as she doesn’t want to accept that will be the case. But, she would cross that bridge if she came to it at the time.

Nicola admitted whether permission is needed has never been tested in law. (Brownie points for Nicola there for stating A FACT, not a belief / opinion.)

However, despite accepting it having never been tested in law ( why not, when the SNP will go to court over ITV debates etc? ) She then stated her belief that a transfer of powers was necessary and the best way of doing things.

Nicola did not expand on why she believed it was necessary.
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Troops have a wee listen to Tragic Naebawz on LBC, full on “breaking up MY COUNTRY” nonsense.

Bitter drizzle!

As soon as heard that I knew it must be a thing. 🙂

link to deezer.com

Colin Alexander @ 12:24

Everyone with 2 brain cells to rub together realises that getting an S30 is going to need several approaches. It’s a game of chess not noughts and crosses. It’s about time you wised up to that.

“Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”

It’s basic strategy. Time you read up on it.

Millsy says: at 11:42 am

“To use a motoring analogy , Sturgeon was a Rolls-Royce last night , the others were from the dodgier end of the used car trade!”

I know what you meant but I have to say that is a low bar!
Rolls Royce and other “luxury” “Great British” cars like Jaguar are rusty shite heaps.
All those jag owners a few years back thinking they were buying the “Best of British” when it was actually just a re-clothed Ford Mondeo! lol
Trouble is the clothes Jaguar clad the base Mondeo shell with actually made it rust quicker than the Mondeo…
A fine analogy for “Not so Great Britain”.

This also covers so many other industries on these isles that have been lost over the years; But the demise of the British car industry sums it up.
I mean, nobody is tuning in to watch rallying and see the latest WRC Allegro…

Stuart MacKay

You’re missing the point. Nicola accepts the s30 question is untested in law.

If I remember right, under the Scotland Act, the guidance for s30 says if it’s unclear whether it’s needed or not, that that should be decided by the courts, NOT the politicians.
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Anyway, there’s a bigger question: which law says we need to use the UK Govt’s devolution Scotland Act to exercise the right of self-determination?

Of course, I accept, many in the SNP aren’t daft, and may simply use the s30 issue to highlight British Imperialism and stifling of Scottish democracy yet again, as they expect “NO / Now is not the time” to be the only answer from the Imperials.

However, that’s a double-edged sword. The danger is an s30 being granted and another indyref being rigged again.

As the GE campaign has highlighted: under the British Empire / UK state , a fair indyref cannot be held when the media is allowed such a huge degree of bias against the SNP and independence .

Haven’t seen all the show as I was out at an SNP St Andrews night/fundraiser last night but I have seen a lot of moaning about biased audiences and Nicola and Jeremy getting an easy ride…a fair indication that Johnson didn’t shine.

Owen Jones and Polly Toynbee rated Nicola highly too and the more Tory commentators are emphasising that Nicola would nail another referendum from Jeremy. That said, this is an English Brexit election and the leave voters look like they might put that total pudding Johnson in No 10 regardless of how useless he is. A decision they will likely regret.

In other news I see David Walliams has a new children’s book The Beast of Buckingham Palace…presumably a cautionary morality tale.

Scottish independence is the young bull at the door of unionism’s antique china shop and not a skilled torero on the premises. Brexit will look like a minor mishap by comparison.

Old pete 10.23am. Lets face it, the only people who support the three anti Scotland parties are, the daily heil readers and the WATP ‘loyal’.

Auld highlander. All fascists have that look.

Bell ringer outside Inverness victorian market today, promoting the place, in kilt, english accent, says to passers by “come in and shop and we’re not the SNP!”
WTAF Inverness market traders!?
Do you want the business?
After his antics today I gave it a miss for Xmas shopping!

Colin Alexander @ 12:55:

Come on big mouth, put your case or is your only input for independence “slagging for Scotland”?

That’s absolutely priceless, coming from the resident expert at slagging-off Scotland’s champions. With just the odd positive scrap occasionally thrown in to fool the unwary.

All part of your curiously-assiduous disinformation and demotivation campaign, Lord Hee Haw.

@ auld highlander ‘Did anyone else notice the wild staring eyes on bj last night?’

Noticed that.Brown bags under them too.

Looked tired,not well. Probably never had to work so hard in his life before.

Think he had taken a wee pep pill.. same kind that gave Toss Rompson same wild starey eyes

Re misinformed ( intentional or just ignorant of current position) individual who highlighted Glasgow’s ‘problem’ with knife crime.

Who decided it would be a good idea to throw a collection of questions at leaders rather than one question at a time…this guaranteed the leader prioritising one point against another OR failing to address the other not through error on their part but too many points to address in a concise manner for time allocated to them in their response.

Nicola Sturgeon did not answer the misinformed individual’s point because Fiona Bruce decided to get three people at the one time to ask questions for her to answer in one response….hence it was not addressed but not through negligence on FM’s part but through unfair system BBC via Bruce adopted.

It also gave charlatans like Bojo a means to ignore points he did not…or rather…could not/would not answer ….so clever tactic by BBC to use this format of multiple questions expected to be addressed in ONE answer by leaders….allowing chancers to ignore question and genuine leader to miss addressing…..how useless are the BBC……I think they are only to aware of Nicola’s ability to articulate her position and Johnson’s lack of ability to articulate his….because his position is based on lies.

Alex Cole-Hamilton thought the audience was stacked against the Lib Dems….so a clear indication of how badly Swinson performed last night……..the lack of claps for her responses told you that this audience , like many of us, are not convinced she is anything but a wannabe PM and career politician as opposed to a PM in waiting…as in waiting until Hell freezes over Lol

Last night proved who was waffling, who was struggling to convince, who , via their past record, was being punished, who failed to articulate their position to such an extent that they probably LOST votes as opposed to gaining new voters and also who came over as articulate, had reasoned arguments,seemed sincere,who actually answered the questions and did this to such an extent that they have KEPT the voters they already have and I am sure will also have GAINED a few more….eh Nicola…gaun yirsel Hen.

Never saw Corbyn’s moment last night so cannot comment on his performance…but heard he is now NEUTRAL in his position on Brexit….sorry but that has always been the public position he has used…called fence sitting….in private it is said he is pro Brexit….which is believable because no one who was a remainer would announce they were neutral on the most significant event currently dominating UK(Not)OK politics…..so based on that I think he is on a sticky wicket politically…so nothing changed then Lol

The usual anti-Scottish government rhetoric from LBC’s Maajid Nawaz, who vehemently opposes everything that Nicola Sturgeon propses on Scottish independence. Again he mentions Putin and an independent Scotland in the same sentence.

Yet in reality it’s the Conservative party that has taken money from Russian donors and of late suppressed a Security Council dossier showing that very thing.

Also the new LBC news channel repeated Boris Johnsons recent debate, and Jo Swinsons and Jeremy Corbyns, but cut to Prince Andrew news, completely ignoring Nicola Sturgeon in the process.

Its times like this (amidst a GE) that the unionist mask really slips and the ugly face of the union is laid bare for all to see.

Vote SNP to be done with this union once and for all.

Unionist politicians and activists, whatever their party, whether they’re EU remainers or leavers, whether they’re conscious of it or not, whether they exhibit some measure of progressive thinking or not, are all in their different ways clinging on to the past as a political panacea.

In the US Malcolm X chose the X as his surname for the very reason that he wanted to make the break, not just the symbolic break with the slave owner imposed surname but also a symbolic break with a largely unrecoverable African past. To orient the cause of black people in the U.S. firmly towards the future.

British unionists, in a noticeable case of classic projection, assume that Scottish and Welsh independence supporters are preoccupied with harking back to Bruce, Wallace and Glendower. The contrary is the reality. We wish our countries to be forward looking and fully internationalist.

A vote for a unionist party in this election is a vote to retreat from reality. A vote for the SNP is a vote to go forward.

First off I enjoy reading the comments,some tongue in cheek others witty and amusing.I am a little frightened of Hammers,they can be dangerous but not as dangerous as Trident,or E.D.F. full of cracks being reopened,for the benefit of the owners and their English customers. Having watched last night,s,I missed or did I? Corbyn,Nicola took the conversation to a new level,leaving Branch Amigos stranded in no mans land. Swinson dodging the bullets!! with flimsy defence.Boris Johnson completely lost looking for a mirage to save him,not one question answered.Asked about Russian Oligarchs donating and interference!,Cleared for distribution,but to be buried until after the Election.What buffoon would vote for another buffoon!??

Dr Jim@2.35
Just had an email from a “choom” down in the deepest south-shire, after last nights fiasco, says pretty much Nicola is the best politician in the country, and is pd off that he cant vote for her, and he is a tory!!
The good/sad thing is she is shoulders above any of them, yet the “Ah hate that Sturgin wummin” is still rife with the gullible parts of Scottish society.(when asked why the hatred, they can never tell you why, probably because the BBC tell them so). If the UK was the equal, fair society it claims to be, the SNP would be running Westminster with Nicola as PM, but they would never allow that.(just as well, she’s oors)
I am expecting the “establishment machine” to go after her, more so than ever. I fear its going to get ugly.
But hey ho bring it on.
SNP= Independence.

@Gary45%

Nawaz on LBC is always on about these Scottish Nationalists breaking up ‘his country’. Last week he more or less said ‘they’re not naz’is BUT…’ He was so abusive to us I was pretty stunned. From someone who has been abused for his religion and colour, he had no clue that his ranting might encourage abuse of us. Especially those like me that live in England.

I think I’m right in saying he has also said he has never been to Scotland and he had no clue about where or even how to pronounce North Lanarkshire last week. But Scotland is his country, he owns it. So there.

RepublicofScotland@2.30
I had to switch LBC off when he was on, I posted reason earlier.
LBC claims to be “Leading Britain’s Conversation” but in reality its still the “London Broadcasting Corporation. I normally have the station on in the background from 7am through till 7pm, yes even Faridge each day, to try and get a broad spectrum of the state of the union or is it an onion? (keep peeling, it will make you cry).
Since the GE was called I think Nick Trabant had someone from the SNP on once, but I can honestly say its always the Unionist parties who are mentioned daily, never the SNP, for example I have never heard James O’Brien play Ian Blackford speaking live from WM at PMQs, and the embarrassing “Proud Scot But” Eddie Mair has never mentioned the SNP, always the other parties, ( I could be wrong? but as I get pissed off with the blatant bias, I switch off more than normal,) as for Trajic, he is just a clueless diddy with a biased agenda.

LBC is just the BBC but with shi*ey adverts, and some really sh*te presenters. Which is sad, because it could be like Channel 4 when it started,(the punk of the industry, if you know what I mean?)
Unfortunately, tired same old, same old.
Silence IS golden.

…. that snippet shouldn’t be overlooked.

I don’t think a Section 30 is the pivotal issue which has to be challenged. It’s merely the stalking horse… that’s if it even features at all.

It’s like my argument about revoking Article 50 unilaterally… It isn’t the issue itself that matters, but the Constitutional ramifications of the adjudication. It’s just a small snowball, but there is only one way it can roll.

The legal and constitutional judgement which might “test” whether a Section 30 is required, will be much more onerous and testing than merely establishing consent to hold a referendum. If judged that consent is not required, it will most likely be because Scotland’s Constitutional Sovereignty is in the process of being recognised.

The apparently innocuous test of whether a Section 30 is required, is actually the winner take all, binary test case of principle, to establish who exercises Constitutional Sovereignty over Scotland. Are we a sovereign Nation, or are we not?

The SNP won’t risk leading Scotland to a Constitutional Independence Test Case until the judgement, (which we will win), cannot be compromised, complicated or undone by a democratic majority of Scots who want to stay part of the Union.

I understand that strategy, but I have two obdurate reservations about it.

1. Sovereignty is a binary absolute condition. It exists, or it doesn’t by the explicit letter of the law, hopefully Scots Law. It is not conditional upon ANY democratic mandate or condition, and I believe it is strategically dangerous to cite democracy as a benchmark or necessary prerequisite. Can you imagine the French or the Germans requiring a democratic majority to establish themselves as French or German?
I would change our “lame” IndyRef2 question “Should Scotland be an Independent Nation”, to. “Should Scotland repeal the Act of Union?” Y/N.
It is already implicit in the question that Scotland IS a sovereign Nation, merely seeking a proper constitutional mandate to terminate a political treaty.

2. I am very anxious about the softly, softly, back-burner political strategy about fully embracing Scotland’s ancient Constitutional DNA. Scotland’s Unionist community will not take kindly to a Constitutional route to Independence being suddenly thrust upon them in the eleventh hour like a rabbit pulled from a hat, especially if a democratic mandate is looking tight or anywhere short of emphatic.

I think a much wiser strategy is to make Scotland’s Constitutional strength THE central mainstream issue in the Scottish Independence Campaign; give the Unionists time to vent their frothing outrage, get over it, but then go away and do their reading, and then dwell on the issue of Scotland’s right and lawful sovereign Constitution, until they get used to the idea.

Scotland IS a sovereign Nation. It is the Union that is false and living on borrowed time, not the Independence Campaign. Time and truth on our side, not theirs. We are not servile prisoners trapped inside the Union, we are the Union’s Nemesis.

@Dan,

Jaguar and Land Rover cars are owned by Indian company Tata Group.

I see QT have been caught out again, having the same guy in audiences at least four times.

The statistical chances of they being a random outcome must be zilz. Even if someone applied to every QT, getting on that often must mean he’s been positively discriminated for.

Breeks @ 15:42,

Actually, you touch on the weakness of your approach (and the SNP’s ultimate end game), namely that since the people of Scotland are constitutionally paramount, there’s no point in taking the issue to a legal-constitutional showdown (one that we would win) as long as a majority of the people, exercising that very sovereignty, prefer to remain in the UK. The victory would be hollow, since it would lead nowhere useful.

There’s absolutely no escaping public acquiescence, however you demonstrate it. (One might wish for a Czech-Slovak-style velvet divorce, but it’s not too likely, alas.)

The only qualification I would put on the above is the unknown effect on opinion of such a public challenge. It might be dismissed as an empty theoretical exercise of no practical interest, or it could activate people as they began to realise just how much our fundamental rights have been trodden-over all these years. Either outcome is possible.

As to being feart, I believe it’s actually the UKGov who really doesn’t want this to go to court, because currently it can operate relatively freely in a constitutional grey area that allows it great latitude, whereas a likely loss would constrain it very significantly, not just the current one either, but all its successors of whatever political stripe. I reckon it would prefer to take its chances with a referendum instead.

So in an S.30 standoff, I’m very confident that it will be the UKGov that will blink first. And I reckon that Nicola & Co. know it.

Josef Ó Luain @ 16:41,

Hubris is classically followed by Nemesis, so one may hope.

But I feel very sorry for English Remainers – who else than the FibDems can they (in most places) turn to, when magic grandpa has now publicly committed his party to continued impotence?

galamcennalath

“Sounds to me like any legal challenge would be on the fundamental sovereignty”.

Not necessarily.

Even if there is no dispute about Scotland has the right of self-determination.

Can the Scot Govt prove that that right to self-determination is not only a legal right but, that that legal right ALSO extends to holding an indyref via the devolution Scottish Parliament?

Then again, if it’s SELF-DETERMINATION, why should the UK state have a say in how Scotland decides it’s future?

Gary @457pm
Thank you for your comment .
No its the term unionist 3 weeks ago I saw SNP members calling people that with their MP looking on I don’t live in the area they were in and an Indy supporter took me to task on another site for buying the National something to do with the parent company .
Once in a generation I think was Alec so why did Nicola not say that .
Calling people names when you want their vote not a good idea.

Thank you for your comment at 502 Golfnut
I think you will find Foreign country etc has whoever says it it needs to end

@ David.
As I said David, Nicola wasn’t asked who first said ‘ once in a’, she was asked who promised. I’m assuming your referring to the question on QT. One other point, Johnston when making his statement was stating that it was the Tory party that had promised it was ‘ once in a ‘ referendum.
However in the Smith Commission agreement, it clearly and emphatically states that the agreement does not in anyway prevent the people of Scotland having another referendum. This agreement was signed by all parties including the Tories.

Sadly David, from this side of the border, it appears that England has diverged so far from the social and political objectives and aspirations of so many of the people Scotland, that England has indeed become a foreign country.

According to the BBC Scotland, Glasgow’s NHS board is part of NHS England…

link to bbc.co.uk

“Glasgow’s NHS board will now be subject to “special measures” following the deaths of two children.

Glasgow’s NHS board will now be subject to “special measures” following the deaths of two children.

Jeane Freeman said NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde would be escalated to stage four of the NHS Board Performance Escalation Framework.

But how does the process work?

What are special measures?

Special measures is the term used in England when the existing management of an NHS Trust cannot fix problems without intervention from the government.”

Later in the same article!

“NHS health boards are not put in special measures, but are instead subject to the NHS Board Performance Escalation Framework.

This scale – from one to five, with five being the worst – determines the performance of a health board and its response.

Health boards can move up and down the scale, and different levels of government support apply to each stage.”

Actually, you touch on the weakness of your approach (and the SNP’s ultimate end game), namely that since the people of Scotland are constitutionally paramount, there’s no point in taking the issue to a legal-constitutional showdown….

Disagree. Important distinction Robert… It’s not a judgement “creating” a Sovereignty I seek, because yes, that already exists so why reinvent it, but a Constitutional Judgement IS required if the object is to clarify Sovereignty and to secure International Recognition.

The Declaration of Arbroath lay idle without reply for eight years until after the peace accord between Scotland and England, the 1328 Edinburgh/Northampton Agreement and recognition by the Pope.

It’s not a reborn Constitution we need, but a revision of it’s international recognition. If we win that in a Constitutional Courtroom, then it becomes unlawful ‘not’ to recognise us.

Yoon short for Unionist as in the sound
Natz or Nats short for people who support Scottish Independence

The origins of who began the derogatory nicknames for other groups in order to demean them is common in todays political discourse but however has been in use in the English language as far back as records began and used as a propaganda tool against enemies of the state both foreign and domestic

In more recent times commonly used politically to belittle opposition to the government and no doubt engineered by advisers to governments from the success of wartime propaganda strategies: see Jerries Fritz Krauts for Germans, Ities Italians, Frogs French people and so on

Domestic insults: Paddies Micks for Irish, Jocks or Scotch for Scottish people Taffies for the Welsh which was an English language nursery rhyme

England has a long and replete history of the use of insulting language for those it does not favour

The moral of my wee potted history is *We didnae start it*
but GRFUY we kin dae it anaw

Just had an email from my local branch and it looks like Swinsons car crash on the Telly has sent her bus into reverse according to todays door knockers

Let’s hope the dark and the cold keep the pensioners who voted for her last time….in the hoose

Scot Finlayson says at 4:12 pm

“@Dan,

Jaguar and Land Rover cars are owned by Indian company Tata Group.”

Exactamondo! Hence why I put the British in inverted commas.

Same shit as when they plastered the new Mini with Union Jackassery, even though it was BMW…
Mind you, the original Mini was designed by the chap with that very British sounding name, what was it again…eh, John Smith, no not him, Alexandros Arnoldos Konstantinos Isigonis, that’s him.

Golfnut @ 17:48,

Obliged for the reminder, and worth repeating (with gusto):

in the Smith Commission agreement, it clearly and emphatically states that the agreement does not in anyway prevent the people of Scotland having another referendum. This agreement was signed by all parties including the Tories.

Dr Jim, Cannae argue with your posts,always on the money and I enjoy reading them.

People seem to forget: UK political parties, UK Govts can promise the Earth, Moon and stars.

But under the Great British traditions which pretend to be a GB constitution: UK Parliament cannot bind future parliaments, even though UK Parliament is regarded as sovereign via the sovereignty of the Crown ( of the British Empire / England) in Parliament.

So, if UK Parliament isn’t bound by UK Parliament, the Smith Commission certainly cannot bind UK Parliament.

In England the Monarch in Parliament is sovereign. (ref Dicey).

In Scotland the people are sovereign.

How is that will determined? An obvious way would be that recognised by Mrs Thatcher being a majority of Scottish MPs with presumably a majority of Scottish votes for a party wishing to assert that authority. Another mode would be a majority in a referendum.etc etc

It may require an action of declarator to the Scottish Supreme Court (ref Treaty of Union) or simply UK Government coming to its senses and accepting the political reality.

How far, how far has the BBC betrayed its founding aspirations!

_ “This Temple of the Arts and Muses is dedicated to Almighty God by the first Governors of Broadcasting in the year 1931, Sir John Reith being Director General. It is their prayer that good seed sown may bring forth a good harvest, that all things hostile to peace or purity may be banished from this house, and that the people, inclining their ear to whatsoever things are beautiful and honest and of good report, may tread the path of wisdom and uprightness.”

(Translation of Latin inscription in the foyer of Broadcasting House)

Jo Swinsons lead in East Dunbartonshire has dropped to 4 points over the SNP, that’s a whisker away from the Lib Dem leader losing her seat and boy will I do a dance if she does

Maybe the pensioners in my area have seen the light or at least won’t go out and vote for her in the dark

Dr Jim, let’s hope they stay in and watching the telly. The future of Scotland is with their grandchildren. The future ain’t orange it’s Scottish!!

Ahundredthidiot, I’ts not even a knife fight! It’s a gun fight and you don’t take a knife to a gun fight…….unless you want to loose!!
Our foot is on their neck. The good guys in the films always give the bad guy a last chance and they always pay for that. Break their neck and put a couple of dull ones in them for good measure, that’s what Dirty Harry would do and their would only be one winner.
The empire never plays fair, they always have to be brought kicking and screaming to the table!!
I need to stop having cheese on toast before I go to bed!!!

French journalist on the BBC says “you should never believe polls, expecially polls in the UK”

Says it all when foreign correspondents see and speak out about the corruption in the UK

@frogesque

New Scottish Westminster poll, Panelbase 20-22 Nov (changes vs 9-11 Oct);
link to twitter.com

link to scotgoespop.blogspot.com

link to twitter.com

Gordon Brewer is interviewing Jeanne Freeman about the QEUH on his politics show. Is this day 9 or 10 of the hospital hysteria? Apparently some people have died in hospital. Perhaps they were ill and that’s the reason they were in hospital.

He’s going to refer to the escalation process as “special measures” although he knows that’s the English procedure and so not appropriate. He probably doesn’t want to refer to “support” as it’s called in Scotland, home of Radio Scotland.

Just read Talkingupscotlandtwo.com for John Robertson’s growing number of articles on this grim obsession that’s gripped RScotland – uniquely in the UK.

@Capella

Aye Gordon Brewer says

“Were not talking politics for most of the programme today Isobel”.

“We’re interviewing Jean Freeman the Health Minister and the news that a third child was ill in the same hospital in September”

Aye right! Good old auntie wie a kilt! 🙁

Sorry just 1% below their 2017 score

HYUFD…9.19am…..But there is a very good chance tories could lose twelve of their 13 seats

Terry Callachan If this new Scotland only Panelbase poll is correct and the Tories are on 28% in Scotland there is no chance the Tories will lose 12 seats, in fact on that poll they would lose no more than 1 Scottish Tory seat

Sinky says:
24 November, 2019 at 8:43 am
Sunday Times hides its Scotland Panelbase poll which puts SNP on 40% 0r 41 seats

Daily Mail / Sunday Herald /BBC diging up other isolated health issues to create a non existent scandal…

Same old Unionists. Same old propaganda unburdened by truth, scrutiny, or right of reply.

Be warned… the BritNat media will do with a Section 30 refusal, (making a referendum ‘illegal’), exactly what they did with Scotland’s currency policy in 2014. Ignore the detail and cost checked practicality, and scream hysterically from dust til dawn about their version of their pedalled narrative.

Despite us having a cohesive and practicable Currency strategy, it wasn’t punchy or glossy, and the question of Currency was not adequately dealt with in 2014. Now, in 2019 the need, or otherwise, of a Section 30 Agreement is not being adequately dealt with either. History is repeating itself. This is where we lose ground, waiting patiently for the SNP to answer these questions by howitzer, only the SNP big guns remain silent.

Please note too, the in-built weakness in both issues is an identical intrinsic component, – that Scotland’s strategy requires the UK government to cooperate, and thus when Westminster says no, it is a veto, and Scotland’s strategy is undone.

Why are we giving them a UK backstop position to truncate Scotland’s options, when it really ought to be Scotland settling in behind Scottish Constitutional Backstop restricting Westminster’s options???

Answers written on a howitzer shell please…

HYUFD…9.49am….that’s a big IF….you know yourself the tories will lose seats , it’s just a matter of how many, could be just six or seven, could twelve won’t be less.

Why is the BBC assisting in the sweeping under the carpet of the Fifty + deaths of Mothers and Babies in Shrewsbury, and Morecambe before it, who has been challenge over these scandals which Minister has been asked to resign and why not. Please inform us BBC . . why not ?

However, the criticisms of Health Boards has nothing to do with the UK General Election and electing MPs to Westminster.

We need to vote SNP.

The Empire propaganda tries to make the public think that not voting SNP will somehow be a good thing for the Scottish NHS and the families who have lost loved ones. It won’t.

For all it’s faults the Scottish NHS would be much worse under direct rule of British Govts or sold off to private companies under a Boris Johnson / Trump trade deal.

In my opinion under British Empire rule eventually there wouldn’t be a Scottish NHS; it would be private health care for those that can afford it and so many more people would suffer and die earlier from lack of health care.

Shug says:

I do wish the snp had not made trident a red line
It is an extremely high worth negotiating point

I see both sides. Want them gone asap, but accept it is one of the two HUGE negotiating levers Scotland has (along with England’s need to be seen as the continuing state).

There’s an unavoidable aspect which seems to get overlooked. Internationally it will be unsustainable for one country to house its entire nuclear arsenal on another country’s territory in the long term. Basically it’s a ridiculous idea, even after morality and legality have been considered.

The SNP and SG should have a policy in line with reality – the WMDs need to be removed as soon as is practical and there should be no interim upgrading. How long? Guess, single figure years.

Post YES win, England’s two big concerns, IMO, will be their WMDs in the short term and their continuing state status. Negotiations could be simple and smooth, unlike the EU Withdrawal negotiations!

Meanwhile, over on twitter

“In the light of the latest polling, I wish Nicola would talk less about her demands for supporting a Labour government (which frankly isn’t going to happen) and more about what the SNP will do if the Tories gain an absolute majority (which is, alas, likely).”

They would follow legal advice, and tut.

Its funny how many people think you can win a country back AND be nice and shiney and smelling of roses at the same time. I mean im not sure any country has ever won its sovereignty without at least the threat of violence underpinning its negotiations/efforts. So we are +1 already on that. What a bunch of dumb,naive, inexperienced arrogant idealists so many of you are. Its shameful.

And meanwhile the loyal subjects of her majesty wake up to this morning’s news that Jeffrey Einstein’s madam was in recent months a visitor to Buckingham Palace to discus the Prince Andrew scandal.

Clearly old Queenie is every bit as much a Madam as Einstein’s pimp.

And we as Royal Subjects are paying huge sums to support this freeloading scum.

Brothel-ham Palace headed by the biggest Madam of them all – ER2, defender of the Union, anti Scottish Independence, and God Mother of child prostitution at the big house.

But we knew that already.

Scottish freedom by democratic, peaceful, non-violent means.

Violence is the way of the British Empire.

So the most dishonest of all trolls drops ideas here and there waiting for some eedjit to run with them.

Do not feed the trolls. They are called concern trolls because they kid on that they support you but that kid on goes on till they suck in a sucker to run more extremely with the ideas they planted.

They get a salary and a pension and a gong. You get shafted.

Every day literally hundreds of folk from England troll Scotlands FM on twitter complaining about what she should be doing to help them either get rid of Labour or get rid of the Tories or complain about Scotlands FM breaking up their country

All these folk from England never give one thought to the fact that they’re responsible for the politics in their own country, they’re the people who keep voting in the politicians they say they don’t like and then when Scotland agrees with them and says we’re off and don’t want any part of your choices the English get shitty about it and turn it into Scotlands fault that England broke its own political system and Scotland should somehow do something about it then shut up and be told what to do all over again

The idea of slavery in England is still alive and thriving in that country when the people who live there piss all over their own bathroom floor but demand that Scots clean it up for them, and if we don’t there’ll be retribution brought upon us

They begin with attempted persuation, then cajolery, then angry blackmail, and the finale is always threats, and all the while maintaining their position of arrogant supremecy as the chosen people and holders of all the titles and honours they feel are rightly owed to them as the most important place on the planet

When you keep voting for ideologists instead of democrats you can’t then complain about believing the shit they sold you and turn to others and blame them
Scotland and its people aren’t the whipping boys of Englands lack of democracy

Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn aren’t Scotlands fault, we told you over and over again by our voting habits and you rubbished us, we tried to co-operate and you rubbished us

The SNP is the best thing that’s ever happened to Scotland because we broke the system and England can do the same, but you can’t blame Nicola Sturgeon for doing her job of protecting Scotland then on the other hand demand she do the same for England and if she doesn’t you hate her

Would England hire a plumber from Edinburgh to fix their pipes if their own local plumbers were rubbish and would they blame him if he said no get yourself a better English plumber than you have at the moment my job is in Scotland, well they wouldn’t would they but they seem to think they are entitled to demand Scotlands politicians should help fix their country then impolitely tell them to bugger off straight back to Scotland

Sorry England but peoples acceptance of poor behaviour by others has its limits and Scotlands limits have been reached

And to change the subject a tad has anyone noticed the piece about SSE and National Grid having transferred ownership of their utility businesses to companies in Switzerland.

Yeh, that’s it, hard infrastructure llocsted in zScotland, delivering power in Scotland, built by public subscription before being sold off – and now, like so much else, owned by corporate raiders in an off shore tax country.

Makes you realise what a servile populace the folks in Scotland really are.

And meanwhile, if I’m not being to rude, I wonder who is being entertained at Brothel-Ham palace today.. The ghost of Sir Jimmy Saville, Ghislaine Maxwell, a few fourteen year old girls and their pimp. Ah we are such a tolerant group of subjects. Child abuse, a royal pastime?

Keep warm this winter though. Keep the corporate profits up. Tip, tip!

@ Willie