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Quid Pro Nihilo

Posted on April 30, 2023 by

When Humza Yousaf was campaigning to be elected leader of the SNP, he pledged that he would be not only the First Minister, but also the “First Activist”. It transpired that this in fact meant chapping a few doors in Dundee, just down the road from his home in Broughty Ferry (and on the way to his Glasgow constituency).

But what might a real “First Activist” have done with the position and power?

As the First Minister, Yousaf is the Keeper of the Great Seal Of Scotland.

As such, his acquiescence was required for the Stone Of Destiny to be removed from Edinburgh Castle and transported to London for the coronation of King Charles III next week. Yousaf dutifully complied, and hung about awkwardly as the ancient symbol of Scotland’s sovereignty was carted off under the watchful eyes of men in gaily-coloured costumes to be stuffed back under Proud Edward’s throne.

In return for his obedience, Yousaf extracted… nothing.

Imagine, readers, if the Keeper of the Great Seal had said this:

“Sure, you can borrow our rock, but given that it’s the symbol of our sovereignty within the voluntary partnership of the United Kingdom, the price for its use in legitimising the new monarch is that you return that sovereignty to us in the form of a permanent Section 30 order ensuring that our continued participation in that union is indeed voluntary.”

Yousaf also, of course, controls the Scottish police, so he could have ringed the Great Hall of Edinburgh Castle with uniformed officers protecting the stone, and dared the UK government to come and take it by force.

Imagine the attention of the world, readers. Imagine the drama as international media gathered to eagerly report on this astonishing piece of theatre centred on the world’s most famous monarchy. Imagine independence being once more at the forefront of the news agenda, rather than the seedy goings-on of the SNP’s finances.

No law would have been broken – Yousaf is legitimately the Keeper, unquestionably has a moral case for Scotland’s right to self-determination, and also has a duty as the leader of the SNP. He would in every sense have been acting within his rights.

(It would of course have been unpopular with monarchists, but what’s new about those people being hostile to the indy movement? The crown has never been less beloved in Scotland so there wasn’t much to lose there.)

And what could the UK government have done? Assaulted the Castle with an SAS regiment? Declined to use the stone in the ceremony, undermining Charles’ right to reign over Scotland? Hauled Yousaf off to the Tower Of London like William Wallace?

Whatever they did would have delivered some real red meat to the indy cause. If they called his bluff, Yousaf could have ducked the coronation (he’d have had the leader of Plaid Cymru for company) and showed up at the AUOB march in Glasgow the same day, giving a rousing speech of defiance and perhaps turning round his reputation.

But the symbolism of the FM instantly crumbling and tugging his forelock like a good wee subject instead when presented with a golden opportunity to really “stand up for Scotland” was unmistakeable and profoundly depressing.

Refusing to authorise the release of the Stone would of course have ultimately been gesture politics, but Humza Yousaf is no stranger to those when it suits him. And unlike the futile, self-destructive fight over the Gender Recognition Reform bill, demanding a quid pro quo wouldn’t have cost Scottish taxpayers a million quid for no quo.

It was a completely free hit, but Yousaf is so hapless that he can’t even spot a gift horse covered in bows and ribbons when one is presented to him on a silver platter. He’s about as good an activist as he was a transport, justice or health secretary. At the moment when Scotland needed a warrior in the headlines it got a frightened rabbit in headlights, standing around stiffly like a spare at a wedding.

A couple of days ago the SNP claimed “all routes to independence that are legitimate, constitutional, and internationally recognised, are being considered”. It declined to actually identify any of those routes, because in truth it’s now pretty short on options. Perhaps its leader shouldn’t be in such a rush to fold what few cards it has left.

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  1. duncanio says:

    And that’s why Humza the Half-wit is Scotland’s First Minion.

  2. Patsy Millar says:

    Says it all really. Hope to be going to the march in Glasgow next Saturday although at this stage I can’t see independence coming in my lifetime (I’m now 74). Have to do something to register my protest about Chuck and his panto down south!

  3. Lollysmum says:

    This man has no guts-he certainly isn’t a leader in any way shape or form. SNP continues to lie.

  4. Aye, whit a waste.

  5. Casper1066 says:

    Rogues in a nation eh.

    Who knew…. We did.

  6. Ian says:

    He could at least have said “Now is not the time” when the stone was requested.

  7. Antoine Bisset says:

    “all routes to independence that are legitimate, constitutional, and internationally recognised,…”

    If our road to independence has to conform to all three of these conditions then it will be an even longer process than Yousaf has suggested. “Jarndyce and Jarndyce” comes to mind although the surface has, as yet, barely been scratched by lawyers.
    The Scottish government controlled by the SNP and their minders in the Greens, has not only failed to deliver competent management of the Scottish economy, of Scottish society, and the integrity of the nation, but the wellspring of the SNP, independence, has been of less interest to them than the floor coverings in Holyrood.
    Enough of the flim-flam, blethers, perjury and procrastination.
    Time for our MPs to bypass the Scottish government and themselves alone take a decision to secede, and take up the reins of government in a good grasp and run the country from Parliament Hall on the High Street.

  8. Ryan McAllister says:

    Stooge-uf Hummer and Hawer

  9. John WALSH says:

    He could have at least worn his Pakistani traditional dress. Now that would have stirred more controversy than removal of a replica stone.

  10. David Beveridge says:

    And now the SNP are “playing the long game” in the quest for independence. I really couldn’t hate these treacherous, trough-slurping bstrds any more if I tried. I hope every last one of them is booted out at the next WM GE.

    Doesn’t really matter who replaces them as the effect on independence will be the same no matter who gets in.

  11. Cactus says:

    Any proper indy-minded Scottish FM would need only have stated:

    “Here are Scotland’s Terms…”

    Ask Alex.

  12. Stoker says:

    Brilliantly put article, Stuart. Just look at him in that picture at the end of the article, talk about obedient? He’s every bit a London gopher as Douglas Ross & Anas Sarwar. He makes me sick. His actions are embarrassing. NOT IN MY NAME!

  13. Antoine Roquentin says:

    The colonial ‘meritocracy’, right there, right enough!

  14. Red says:

    A lot of people are waking up to the fact that there aren’t any political solutions anymore. Western politics is, in truth, carefully cultivated to keep you (dear reader) from having any influence whatsoever over what your governments do.

    You get to choose between various identikit parties with slightly different logos and the exact same overarching agenda.

    That’s why it’s all grinning idiots talking bollocks all the time now. That’s why we have identity politics in place of real issues.

    When was the last time your vote made any difference whatsoever? Never, am I right?

    The Emperor’s naked, slabbering, and openly playing with his twanger now. Because we no longer live in a representative democracy in any real sense, we have to wait for “events”.

    But in the meantime, let’s stop pretending these people have any legitimacy. They don’t work for us and they don’t even like us.

  15. Frank Gillougley says:

    Yes, it would appear sadly that these subjects doth live by gravy alone. Twas ever thus.

  16. Lorna Campbell says:

    Yes, indeed, Rev. On the one hand, we have a FM whose ancestors are Pakistani, and on the other, a PM whose ancestors are Indian – two if the worst treated nations in the history of the Empire. Both are collaborators. Shame. Humza could have sent a secret request to Sunak to request a quid pro quo, as you suggest. He would have offered something – maybe not the right to have a permanent S30 Order because we are not NI which they would like to rid themselves of in the longer term, but something that we could have used as leverage with the Scottish people. Yet another opportunity lost. This is the 2014 to the present SNP legacy: lost opportunities, lack of nous and a willingness to capitulate easily, without a murmur.

  17. I. Despair says:

    Given the calibre of recent incumbents and the clouds of suspicion that hang over them, I don’t think it’s a great idea to float the notion that the Worst Minister is in charge of the police and should command where and when they are deployed.
    Fun article apart from that, though.

  18. Stoker says:

    David Beveridge says on 30 April 2023 at 1:16 pm: “I hope every last one of them is booted out at the next WM GE. Doesn’t really matter who replaces them as the effect on independence will be the same no matter who gets in.”

    That’s why it is imperative we start, NOW, driving a campaign for indy supporters to boycott Westminster elections. None of this tactical voting shit because i, like many other real indy supporters, would *NEVER* in a million years vote for a Unionist. Not now, not ever. Start our campaign and leave Westminster elections to those who want Westminster, the Unionists. It has to start now so they understand another carrot being dangled just days from the election is not going to save their jobs.

    I think we should be either boycotting them OR attending the polling stations and spoiling our ballots with something like Westminster’s not fit for purpose OR Westminster’s not a democracy, it’s a jailor. But whatever the message, boycott or spoil ballots, it has to be a consistent message with everyone singing from the same hymn sheet. We need to send the strongest message possible, in our hundreds of thousands.

    And once Westminster has been taken care of, maybe then we could switch our focus to the Holyrood troughers? We’ve got nothing to lose because indy isn’t coming any time soon. Not with that lot of green slime infesting the trough. It’s time we, the voters, made ourselves a voice to be reckoned with. We must take the power away from these self-serving turncoat freeloaders.

  19. Geoff Anderson says:

    The article action of denial to the demand for the S of D to be removed is exactly the kind of act required….but only the first step in a programme of disruption to Colony Rule.
    When will the Vichy Scottish Government get off their knees and stop grovelling to their Masters?

    The Party of Independence is now the Party of Unionist House Jocks. They wave their Saltire but accept the Party Leadership grovelling to Monarchy and Colonial Masters. The SNP should be honest and wave the TransCult flag which is all they stand for now.

    The Electoral Commission are considering putting their own auditors into SNP HQ….I hope that happens very soon. The SNP have become an embarrassment to Scotland.

  20. Ruby says:

    Lorna Campbell says:
    30 April, 2023 at 1:38 pm

    Yes, indeed, Rev. On the one hand, we have a FM whose ancestors are Pakistani, and on the other, a PM whose ancestors are Indian

    Were their ancestors supporters of independence of these countries or were they ‘BritNats’ who took all their money and went to the UK?

  21. Confused says:

    Keeper of the Seal sounds like a final boss in a videogame, with a million health points and a dozen special attack moves … shame humza is not so formidable

    I’m writing some speeches for Humza, going in this direction …

    at the coronation :

    “I cannot be a ("Tractor" - Ed), for I owe him no allegiance. He is not my sovereign; he never received my homage; and whilst life is in this persecuted body, he never shall receive it.”

    a mission statement :

    “My mission over the next 18 months of this campaign and throughout my presidency,” he said, “will be to end the corrupt merger of state and corporate power that is threatening now – threatening now – to impose a new kind of corporate feudalism in our country; to commoditize our children, our purple mountain’s majesty; to poison our children and our people with chemicals and pharmaceutical drugs; to strip-mine our assets; to hollow out the middle class and keep us in a constant state of war.”

    sunday quiz – who really said these things?

    William Wallace
    RFK Jr

  22. Debatable Lands says:

    I think witholding the stone with demands would have come across as a bit petty, rude and aggressive. And pointless.

    There is no King of Scotland or England. The merger of the crowns into the UK of GB was the act of a Scottish King, James VI, when he inherited the English throne. In case anybody was skiving off school the day they covered that.

    The stone is symbolic and traditional, but not essential. None of of the paraphernalia is. Just need anointed and job done. The ceremony is just for show.

    Remember, the Head of state has no say or power on matters of the Union. You can be as republican as you like, but it doesn’t make a jot of difference. Abolishing the monarchy changes nothing.

    So Humza wasn’t wrong. Charles is being crowned King and head of state of all parts of UK. It’s part of our shared island history and we’ve been crowning Kings for over 1000 years. He’s as much a captive of history as anyone. Until that changes it’s right to show due respect to a tradition that is still an important event for many Scots.

    Being polite, even to something you don’t believe in, is how civilised society works. Thinking it’s a good idea to do things to offend and provoke other traditions because they are not ‘Us’, is a bit Ulster.

  23. A Scot Abroad says:

    A couple of days ago the SNP claimed “all routes to independence that are legitimate, constitutional, and internationally recognised, are being considered”.

    That is at least being realistic, because the alternative (choosing a route that is illegitimate, unconstitutional and not internationally recognised) is absolute moonshine. It just wouldn’t work. If a Scottish government did make a unilateral declaration of independence, the country would collapse within months. No businesses would pay over taxes to an illegitimate treasury, the financial sector would decamp to south of the border, there would likely be widespread civil disorder (because over 50% of the people haven’t asked for UDI), Scotland would become a pariah with all of its trade partners, and every global institution would bar the rebel Scottish government from their doors, if not actively place sanctions on the country. The new government wouldn’t be able to raise finance on the gilt markets, because Scotland has no currency or central bank. Such a situation would be akin to Rhodesia’s declaration of UDI, and that didn’t end well. Rhodesia was only able to struggle on for a few years due to South Africa secretly breaking sanctions, and I don’t see either Ireland (a member of the EU) or Norway being happy to break sanctions.

    There does need to be a route agreed to allow Scotland to choose independence if that is what the majority of the people want. It would be wise for the Westminster government to outline that route: perhaps declare that a S30 order will be granted in 2035 (21 years, or a generation on from 2014), and that period would be necessary for Scotland’s pro-independence parties to come up with policies that address how an independent Scotland would function. The policies proposed in 2014 by the SNP were inadequate and not credible.

  24. Southernbystander says:

    It is a great ruse. I would have tweaked it to demand what the criteria for an indyref2 would be, post that court ruling, and should have been asked repeatedly by NS and Yousaf until Westminster are forced to answer (They could, heaven forfend, rather than grandstanding, even be actual clever politicians and negotiate the criteria! It is what Salmond would do, and succeed in).

    Of course NS would never have withed the stone either, but in both their cases it is not stupidity, but cowardice. The SNP is the Mark Selby of politics (or tellingly, Higgins or McGill), not Ronnie, Si or Luca Brecel

  25. Robert Hughes says:

    Brilliant article , Stuart : all the relevant points bulls-eyed with yr customary precision – and wit 🙂

    It’s was always on the cards H.Y aka The Mild Colonial Boy – would obediently play his role in this latest piece of English costume drama ;in the process squandering yet another opportunity to assert Scotland’s Sovereignty .

    Baw blootered ere the bar . Again . Pathetic doesn’t nearly describe it

  26. Steven William says:

    “Can’t risk lending the thing because of past experiences of parting with it, but feel free to have your big do in Edinburgh if you want”

  27. Garrion says:

    Thing is it probably didn’t even occur to him. Just another full establishment careerist house jock.

  28. JGedd says:

    The idea of Humza doing any of that is unbelievable. It was far more fitting that he should play the part of the the right royal spare prick. He looked properly uncomfortable standing at attention in correct military mode. (Must have practiced for ages. Could he not at least have put his hands in his pockets and looked bored? Or scratched his bum?) He looked embarrassingly servile to me which is what is required before royalty I suppose.

    The whole royal pantomime is ludicrous with their absurd rituals. I can’t think why people don’t burst out laughing at the royal paraphernalia – Sword of Power, Cloak of Invisibility or… whatever. I won’t be watching but it must be comedy gold for the rest of the world. What a farce.

    I hope it’s true that Alex Salmond isn’t going after all.

  29. PhilM says:

    That description of the Great Seal is right up there with Trigger’s Broom…

  30. Graf Midgehunter says:

    The only thing missing from the political cat-walk was the dog-lead to Humza’s neck from the tubby behind him.

    He was so pleased to do his masters bidding, a true Vichy trayt*r to the pantomime of English Monarchy.

  31. Ruby says:

    Stoker says:
    30 April, 2023 at 1:40 pm
    We’ve got nothing to lose because indy isn’t coming any time soon.

    Agreed! No need to ‘wheest for indy’ or be good little cybernats.

    Voting in the GE is a total waste of time.

    Troughers are gonna trough.

  32. Stuart MacKay says:

    Even the briefest of hesitations in allowing the stone to be removed would be light years away from where we are today. Total and absolute obedience is what the colonial administration offers. Perhaps they realise it themselves, but most likely they do not.

    What if the stone was moved to a safe place. Would that be the short heard round the world, for a new era?

  33. Beauvais says:

    The First Activist?

    Rishi Sunak’s Punkah Wallah more like.

  34. Vivian O’Blivion says:

    The opinion of 72% of folk RESIDENT in Scotland on the impending Coronation lies on a spectrum between meh and naw. If differential opinions between Scotland and England on the Monarchy are similar to previous occasions, 79% of autochthonous Scots are anti- monarchy. The ideal campaigning, proxy vehicle and one Yousaf has spurned.

  35. Ruby says:

    ‘Humza the Chameleon’ joined the SNP and claimed to support independence because of the Iraq war.

    Now he is standing there like a British soldier ready to fire if commanded.

    I love the white feather sticking out of his head.

    Pity he didn’t wear a Saltire tie that would have been a nice bit of symbolism.

    Perhaps all Saltires were banned?

  36. Gordon Hastie says:

    That last photo is an instant classic. Looking forward to SNP cultists telling us how it’s a step forward for independence.

  37. Geoff Anderson says:


    That looks like he is wearing an Anderson Tartan tie and that annoys me greatly.

  38. Frederick James says:

    On a point of fact, Chas will be King of Scotland though, won’t he?

    If Brenda had named him James, as things stand he’d be James the 8th and 3rd. Or have I got that wrong?

    Oh and surely that’s one of at least two “Stones Of Destiny” and may well be a lump of concrete those students made?

  39. Republicofscotland says:

    Can we please just be done with the SNP get them out of office as soon as possible, they’ve lied and deceived and connived for the last eight years under the Betrayers leadership and absolutely nothing will change with Yousless in charge, independence is wheeled out when it suits the SNP to dupe the indy masses.

    As Yousless has said himself he’s the continuity candidate.

    Vote Alba, Join Alba get the SNP out of office at every election.

  40. Ottomanboi says:

    Until proved otherwise, it seems all in nationalist politics cannot be trusted.
    Every freedom movement in history has been faced with the «duplicity» of its executives.
    Sometimes, such a realization is cathartic, assuming there are those with the wit to recognize the fact.

  41. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    More on AS’s (non)attendance at the coronation.

    “Alex Salmond – “In Scotland in particular the sound of silence is deafening. Most Scots now back an elected head of state for an independent country and many people, including myself, will find better things to do next weekend than watching the British establishment on parade.””

  42. Willie John says:

    Does anyone know if the Scottish Parish Council (AKA ScotGov) was asked for the stone, or did they just say we’ll be collecting it on Sunday. Oh, and your FM can come if he wants!

  43. Mia says:

    His actions tell us Yousaf, just like Sturgeon before him was, is nothing more than another blabbering minion working for the interests of the crown and against those of the people of Scotland.

    It is beyond disgusting and insulting that this idiot has allowed the stone of destiny to abandon Scotland so a lazy English king can be crowned with the English crown while sitting his fat old arse on Scotland’s stone.

    Charles had no problem whatsoever getting into a car when infested with COVID, break all the travelling rules which applied to everybody else, get himself to Scotland to spread the pestilence around and then ungraciously him and his missus jump the queue in front of rather busy NHS personnel so he could get himslef a test. If he did not have problem with that, what is his problem now with getting his royal backside to Scotland so he can be crowned here as it should be the case?

    None. Becasue sending the stone down has absolutely nothing to do with the crowning and all to do with keeping the symbolism that the English crown and London has control over Scotland.

    Shame on Yousaf for being such a spineless coward allowing that stone to go without the consent of the people of Scotland. When on earth were we asked if we agreed to that?

    Shame on him for insulting the people of Scotland like this by allowing an English king to stomp on our faces like this and shame on him for letting his country and history down.

    With useless, thoughtless, spineless, crown sychophants and muppets like this, there is absolutely no wonder Scotland is not independent.

    And then the guy has the brass neck to claim he is a republican. What a joke. This is why the SNP needs to completely disappear. The whole thing is nothing but a sick joke.

  44. Saffron Robe says:

    “Perhaps its leader shouldn’t be in such a rush to fold what few cards it has left.”

    To be honest, Stuart, I think the SNP threw in their hand a long time ago. I’m surprised Hazmat Useless didn’t take it upon himself to personally drive the Stone of Destiny down to London in the back of his car although maybe he doesn’t have insurance!

    I would just take slight issue with the following: “And what could the UK government have done? Declined to use the stone in the ceremony, undermining Charles’ right to reign over Scotland?” From my understanding, as Sara Salyers has explained, the coronation is a specifically English – and not a Scottish or even a UK – coronation. Charles is accepting only the English Crown and as such his right to reign over Scotland cannot be undermined because he has no such right until he takes “the Scottish oath which is required by Scots law for any legitimate monarch.” Therefore, the use of Scotland’s coronation stone at the English coronation is purely symbolic – to symbolise the implied subjugation of Scotland by England and maintain “a false claim to ownership of that nation and the legal fiction, the fraud, that justifies the theft of Scotland’s territorial assets.” Seen in this light it makes Hazmat Useless’ acquiescence all the more appalling.

  45. P says:

    100% right Stu
    Can you imagine the msm coverage?!

    “ Yousaf also, of course, controls the Scottish police, so he could have ringed the Great Hall of Edinburgh Castle with uniformed officers protecting the stone, and dared the UK government to come and take it by force.”

  46. Muscleguy says:

    It’s some distance frae his gaff. That’s nae around here in the Ferry. Craigie maybe or points similar.

    Naebody has chapped my door here in the Ferry. Been in brewing all day.

  47. wullie says:

    British rule, Samual Adams…

    “If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen

  48. alba says:

    “Thinking it’s a good idea to do things to offend and provoke other traditions because they are not ‘Us’, is a bit Ulster.”
    Oh right. Ulster. That wee bit of the UK that managed to get a better Brexit deal without a working government than we did with one. Gosh, lets not do an “ulster” and offend folk.
    Bollocks tae that!

  49. David Hannah says:

    Celtic fans today told the Rangers supporters this afternoon to shove your Coronation up your arse.

    Our false First Minister hasn’t got the message.

  50. Calum says:

    I doubt it even crossed his mind to do anything other than meekly comply.

  51. Bruiser78 says:

    Time and money getting squandered on this nonsense.

    Humza will learn that trans activists are never, ever satisfied. He won’t placate them when he fights this bill and loses. He could suck a ladydick live on the News at 10 and they’d still say he wasn’t doing enough. At least he could do that for free.

  52. David Hannah says:

    The real statesman of Scotland is Alex Salmond. He’s a member of the Royals council.

    For weeks and months before big Eck was saying we should create a stooshie around the fake cover stone of destiny.

    I bet you the Royals respect Alex Salmond. He stands up for what he believes in. He’s principled and a great Scottish historian. He makes you proud to he Scottish listening to him.

    If you listen to Alex Salmond. He gives the SNP ideas time and time again. He hands them the opportunity to advance the cause of independence on a plate for them. Does all the work. The wee Alba Road show.

    And the SNP don’t listen.

    Yousless isn’t fit to lace Alex Salmond’s boots. I tell you that for a fact. I’ll take my advice from Alex Salmond. The real leader of Scottish independence.

    Not this fawning gibbering imbecile Yousless. The fake False First minister, a Westminster Royal nodding dog.

  53. Cameron Lochiel says:

    30th April 1707 was the last day that Scotland operated as a sovereign, independent nation. The following day marked the blackest event in our history: this great nation sold down the river by liars, frauds, cheats and ("Tractor" - Ed)s feathering their own nests. Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose…

  54. Jan Cowan says:

    But….but Humza was imposed on Scotland by Nicola. She turned out to be a Unionist so we could hardly expect better.

    Poor Scotland. Yet another ("Tractor" - Ed)…….for the moment.

  55. Geoff Anderson says:

    Cathcart SNP raised £600,000 today for Independence by “The Nicola” appearing.
    I now understand why the carrots work.
    This must be the cover story for the missing money being put back into the accounts.

  56. Doug says:

    Yousaf’s just another tractor to Scotland. A disgusting political coward.

  57. stuart mctavish says:

    Agree 100% with Ian @1:01

    .. with the caveat (re my possible mis extrapolation of a line in the article) that its presumably not Charlie’s right to reign over SCOTLAND that would be undermined by any failure to be crowned over a stone said to have been hidden* (and quite possibly still remaining) somewhere in the Knapdale countryside

    *That particular stone having been used to lend credibility to the crowning ceremony of every King of England from the French Plantagenet (Edward II) to the Welsh Tudor (Henry VIII)

  58. crazycat says:

    @ Geoff Anderson at 4.21

    According to her twitter bio, “Cllr Mairi” has a BA in European Parody Politics.

  59. Stephen O'Brien says:

    Devomax and the remnant of SNP or close Holyrood?

    Deal or no deal?

    Be as well issuing the P45’s, now.

  60. 100%Yes says:

    People on here want to stop saying the SNP are playing the long game, Naw their not there democracy deniers and unionist plain and simple. Instead of marching down Glasgow we should be marching on Bute house to get this moron out and the referendum we’ve paid and voted for.

  61. Ian McCubbin says:

    A well discussed article summing Yousaf as the complete useless FM he is.
    No easy way to reach independence in the short tl medium term.
    I just hope Alba have enough candidates both for the next GE and for Holyrood.

  62. Bob Mack says:

    Sycophant is the word that springs to mind. The other is not allowed on this forum.

  63. Lee Floyd says:

    Jesus Christ. You and your posters have really lost it on this one. Imagine what the obstruction would have engendered – apart from the international press condeming the prissy, spoilt reaction of a people who had already been granted a say on Union, and decisively rejected its breakup – the eternal emnity of your biggest trading and constitutional partner. Do you really think, having rejected independence in 2014 (“a once in a generation referendum”), people would have been persuaded of the moral correctness of your actions? Would the 55%? I understand that you hate Yousaf, but really. Be positive, not this low.

  64. James Jones says:

    I just want to ‘like’ a couple of stand-out insightful posts from Debatable Lands at 1:56 pm and A Scot Abroad at 2:02 pm.

  65. Ottomanboi says:

    My mother’s first attempt at scones was a disaster.
    Scone of Stone!
    Even those items despatched to England for the royal butt would be way too much….never mind the real (or maybe not real) thing.
    The semiotics of Unionism are all about crushing those rebellious Scots.
    ENEUCH! already…

  66. Geoff Anderson says:


    She got me! Hands up! The red mist clouded my senses

  67. Bob Mack says:

    Just in the interests of science,how does he stand to attention without a spinal column.

  68. A Scot Abroad says:

    It may get worse for the SNP. Police Scotland have confirmed they are additionally looking into what happened to around £1 million left to the SNP in bequests and wills after 2021. Around £400,000 may not have even been declared to the Electoral Commission. The source of the article is the Daily Telegraph, published today at 5pm.

  69. Ottomanboi says:

    The only concern is «independence».
    The «how» should not be hobbled by legalist caveats.
    A more gutsy approach please.

  70. ian foulds says:

    Even as a new boy without cajones, would those a little more au fait with our politics have suggested a few of your options to at least give ScotGov the opportunity to rock the boat?

  71. Jock McTavish says:

    The Continuity colonial arse licker. However, let them have the cludgy stone. This charade will be over soon, then we can get back to business. Thinking hummer would man up and act like a true Scot is a stretch. Imagine if st nic was still in place, how bad she would have looked. Sadly though, AS still going to the event, what’s that all about?

  72. George Ferguson says:

    The ‘Peter Principle’ states that a person will keep getting promoted until that person reaches the ceiling of their capability. In Humzas case it was the reverse of the Peter Principle. He campaigned in Dundee recently and I recognised his supporters. We need a Holyrood Election now to democratically ensure that the SNP and Greens in Government are representing the people by implementing their policy priorities.

  73. Saffron Robe says:

    All those Scots attending the English coronation are declaring themselves to be subject to the English Crown, and all those Scots participating in the celebrations are celebrating the crowning of an English monarch. There is a word for them but Stuart’s filter doesn’t allow it!

  74. JimuckMac says:

    That ain’t Charles in that pic.

  75. Republicofscotland says:

    More woes for the treacherous SNP.

    “The UK’s elections watchdog may impose its own auditors on the SNP to probe its finances amid mounting fears that the party will miss legal deadlines to produce verified accounts.

    The Sunday Telegraph understands that internal discussions have already taken place at the Electoral Commission about how it would take the unprecedented step, which is all allowed for under British law but has never happened before.”

  76. Ottomanboi says:

    There is no such entity as «respectable» nationalism.
    Dirty, messy and possibly rather bloody is normative.
    Scotland come down to planet Earth.
    Button up «presbyterianism» just does not cut it.

  77. Republicofscotland says:

    “Yousaf also, of course, controls the Scottish police”

    Doesn’t our colonial police force swear an allegiance to the English crown and not to the people of Scotland Just like our politicians do?

    Meanwhile the current Archbishop of Canterbury urges you to publicly swear an oath of allegiance to King Charles III on the 6th of May. He and Charlie boy can shove the oath where the sun doesn’t shine.

  78. Effijy says:

    It seems that the Celtic fans today had a message for the English Crown today-

    Reece Mogg and MI5 will need to block Charlie’s Internet access.

  79. Republicofscotland says:

    Meanwhile why hasn’t Sturgeon been taken in for questioning the other two have, so get your f*ckin finger out Police Scotland and get her in for questioning pronto.

    We are watching Police Scotland.

    “The SNP’s most recent accounts, for 2021, show that the party recorded a deficit of £751,572. The three people named as “party officers” on the accounts are Mr Murrell, Mr Beattie and Ms Sturgeon, with the former first minister the only one of the three not to have been arrested or questioned by police.”

  80. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi George Ferguson.

    I think it is more correct to state, “The ‘Peter Principle’ states that a person will keep getting promoted until that person reaches one level above the ceiling of their capability.”

  81. Robert Hughes says:

    ” Imagine what the obstruction would have engendered – apart from the international press condeming the prissy, spoilt reaction of a people who had already been granted a say on Union, and decisively rejected its breakup – the eternal emnity of your biggest trading and constitutional partner. Do you really think, having rejected independence in 2014 ”

    Aye , imagine that , eh ? All our great pals in MSM and elsewhere would be SO disappointed in us : we may never have been invited to any of Winsor Inc’s fantastic parties again .

    Fuck the MSM , fuck the Unionist Establishment n fuck the decrepit anachronism that is the so-called * Royal Family .

    And we don’t need any instructions on how we should behave from you , or anyone else

  82. Ruby says:

    Geoff Anderson says:
    30 April, 2023 at 2:52 pm


    That looks like he is wearing an Anderson Tartan tie and that annoys me greatly.

    He wears that Anderson tartan tie quite a lot but he does have a whole wardrobe of different tartan items. He has a red plaid, a light blue kilt, a dark blue kilt, a tie from every tartan in existence. The tartan tat shops must love him. Maybe he owns one.

    ‘Humza the Useless Chameleon’ could have easily missed this ‘Precious Union’ event. All he needed to do was arrange a emergency meeting or he could have ‘pulled a sickie’.

  83. Ruby says:

    Ottomanboi says:
    30 April, 2023 at 6:07 pm

    There is no such entity as «respectable» nationalism.
    Dirty, messy and possibly rather bloody is normative.
    Scotland come down to planet Earth.
    Button up «presbyterianism» just does not cut it.

    Do you consider yourself a Scottish nationalist?

  84. Mark says:

    The idea that this is a grown up, sensible thing to do is ridiculous. It would be an adolescent prank that would reflect very poorly on the FM, SNP and indy movement if it happened. If that’s the best you’ve got then you deserve the terrible position you are currently in.

  85. James Che says:

    Time to clue some others into the falsehood of what rights humsaf actually has in a non legal Scotland act.

    First there is England parliament Triennial Act of 1694.

    This Act required the parliament of England to meet annually and to hold general elections once every three years,

    Wikipedia as source of information which directs you to historical record links in blue print.

    The 4th and last session of the 2nd english parliament of Queen Anne, held NO fresh in England and Wales,
    Existing members of the House of Commons of Englands parliament sat as members of the new Great britain parliament.
    On the 1st May from 1706/07 respectively Englands parliament was continuous as the longest running parliament until today.

    According to a clause of the Acts of Union Queen Anne had until the 1st May to convert the current sitting members of the English parliament into members of the British parliament. Otherwise she would have to call fresh elections,

    In her closing speech on the 24th April Queen Anne informed the English parliament members of her intention to excercise the Treaty clause before the 1st of May, and have current members of the English parliament sit in the first British parliament,
    After the speech, at Queen Annes command the English parliament was prorogued until the 30th of April,
    On the 29th of April as promised in her speech, Queen Anne invoked the clause of the Acy of union reviving the English parliament by Proclamation.
    The English/ British parliament did not meet/ sit until 23 October 1707.

    Some argued that the English parliament still existed due to it not having writs and summons along with the same unelected members of the old English Westminster parliament.
    Others opposed this view,
    However their arguments were later dispproved.

    It was not immediately clear, for the purposes of the the English parliaments 1694 Triennial Act.
    Wether the first of Great Britain would count as a continuous parliament of England or a new parliament that had already sat for two years out of the require three with no writs and no summoning.
    This answer was provided when the English parliament continued until its expiry date on June 1708.
    Thereafter it was argued it would have to be dissolved and new elections called before the English parliament Triennial deadline.

    From records in the Statutes of the Realm( official collection) it does not differentiate between the two parliaments Englands and Britains parliament.
    It lists both sessions on the same roll, merged into one, with the ladt English Statute labelled 6Ann .c. 3 4
    And the first British parliament Statute labelled 6 Ann. c . 3 5.

    However the Scottish parliament doors closed on the under Sin die,
    And as the UK parliament states in 2023 the Scottish parliament extinguished itself from the treaty of union due to the ratifications

    The result being that the English parliament continued into the treaty of the Union on it own.

  86. It wasn`t only the Stone that Edward took from Scotland,
    he took cart loads of documents,treaties,histories,artifacts,relics,writings,antiquaties,
    Cromwell also took Scotland`s archives,
    supposed to be returned in 1660 by Charles II,
    but the ship returning them (the Elizabeth)sank with 85 barrels of artifacts.

    “The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.” ? George Orwell

  87. Republicofscotland says:


    I’m not into football except for watching and hoping our national team does well, but that was spot on. Scots are sovereign in Scotland not some English King.

  88. Ruby says:

    Please don’t feed the troll!

  89. James Che says:

    There is very little historical wriggle room here as to which kingdom’s ? are actually in the treaty of union.

    Humsaf, the Snp, the devolved government and the Scotland Act, are all very legally questionable positions if Scotlands parliament cannot be found in the treaty of union since the 1st May 1707, as Englands parliament is.

  90. James Che says:

    As usual I have difficulty with my dyslexia, however there is enough information and links provided for confirmation and checks to be done by yourselves if you are an independent Scotland supporter.

  91. Stephen O'Brien says:

    SNP ready to declare UDI.

    Unilateral Declaration of Insolvency!

    Westminster appointed auditors to rule on the decision.

  92. Ottomanboi says:


    The Scots really have a lot to learn.
    All rather amateurish sofar.
    Members of my family were against the British in Iraq during the 1920s.
    I need no lessons.
    Scottish politicians certainly do.

  93. George Ferguson says:

    @Brian Doonthetoon 6:17pm
    I was being kind I don’t want any Trans guys turning up on my doorstep. So if Humza is a reverse Peter Principle he was incapable of his first ministerial position. Which was a Transport Minister in charge of the Ferguson Marine Ferries. I am cutting him some slack as FM. What a shambles he has inherited. But is he that incompetent that he had no knowledge of Sturgeon. I called it her out in 2015. And some of the people in the campaign photograph know me. They should have known better. Clear the decks Humza with a Holyrood Election. Polls say you should win a majority. I backing you will lose power.

  94. Ruby says:

    Ottomanboi says:
    30 April, 2023 at 6:57 pm


    The Scots really have a lot to learn.
    All rather amateurish sofar.
    Members of my family were against the British in Iraq during the 1920s.
    I need no lessons.
    Scottish politicians certainly do.

    That isn’t what I asked you.

    Since you say we Scots have a lot to learn and you have such a lot of experience why don’t you help us out?

    What should we do?

  95. Lenny Hartley says:

    Republicofscotland, Craig Murray in his submission to the UN regarding his Trial and Jailing states that Sturgeon has been questioned by the Police.

  96. James Barr Gardner says:

    SNP do they really want to be called Tartan Tories ?

    Have they really sank that low ?

    Scottish Child poverty heading towards 1 in 3 !

    The outlook for Scotland is that Scots will be the poorest in Europe, despite having the most resources in Europe !

    Vote ALBA !, Scotland needs a Sheriff to clear out those in pay of the Cesspit City of London !

  97. Mia says:

    “You and your posters have really lost it on this one”
    Other than the dignity Yousaf’s cowardly attitude has made us lose, what else have we lost?

    “Imagine what the obstruction would have engendered”
    What would have engendered? Charles would have to get into a car and be coronated in Scotland. Big deal! He does not seem to have a problem to come here for any other reason.

    And What right does anybody other than Scotland itself as a nation have to determine where Scotland’s stone go?

    When did the spineless current FM asked us if we wanted the stone to be sent to another country?

    “international press condeming the prissy, spoilt reaction…”

    Other than the bubble in England, how many people around the world actually gives a shit about an English king having to sit above Scotland’s stone to symbolise its subjugation and to keep the illusion of a “union of crowns” that is only artificially maintained by the treaty of union?

    Where was the international press in the last 8 years when England MPs, Nicola Sturgeon and the crown bulldozed democracy, the articles of the Treaty of Union and our Claim of Right in order to force on us their stupid brexit?

    I don’t recall that “righteous” international press doing anything about it. Why would this be any different, then?

    It seems that Scotland is a unique country in the world in the sense that it has to allow and even “embrace positively” being constantily ransacked and patronised by England’s unelected lords, aristocrats and MPs. Now, it seems, according to you, we have to “celebrate” being patronised by Murdoch and other press magnates.

    It seems the rule is that everybody’s opinion about Scotland’s business needs, must be considered before our own. Who decided that rule and when did the people of Scotland consented to that rule?

    “a people who had already been granted a say on Union”
    “granted”, granted by whom? Who, other than the people of Scotland themselves, is in any position to “grant” Scotland “a say” in an international political union of which Scotland is a founding signatory?
    Nobody. And this would be what we would see if instead of self-serving, useless cowards leading Scotland we had proper politicians with a functional backbone and a sense of dignity and respect for their country

    “and decisively rejected its breakup”
    When support for independence was above 50% just a few weeks after the referendum, when Scotland sent 56 anti-union MPs to the union parliament less than a year after the vote and when you have to put a political fraud in control of the SNP and claim a few weeks before the GE election 2015 that a vote for the SNP is not a vote for independence, you cannot credibly claim Scotland “decesively rejected” its breakup.

    The UK is a parliamentary democracy. In line with this, 56 anti-union MPs should have signified the end of the union. It is only because we have had political frauds in control of the SNP that this union has survived the last 8 years.

    “the eternal emnity of your biggest trading and constitutional partner”

    Don’t be ridiculous. England cannot afford “eternal emnity” with Scotland and lose a huge chunk of what it perceives to be its “internal” market nor Scotland’s assets to cover up the disaster of its stupid brexit.
    That, together with ensuring the succession to the crown are some of the reasons why the SNP had to be hijacked and the COPFS exposed as a totally corrupt crown entity to stop independence.

    “Do you really think, having rejected independence in 2014 (“a once in a generation referendum”), people would have been persuaded of the moral correctness of your actions?”

    Which people do you have in mind? Everybody but Scotland? Does anybody dare to tell Germany, France, Italy, Spain, China or the USA how to manage their effing rocks? So what makes you think Scotland has to accept a telling on how to manage its own assets?

    “I understand that you hate Yousaf”
    Attempting to make it personal in order to deflect from the real problem is a poor go at psychological blackmailing. This is a matter of watching how democracy in Scotland has been stomped all over to foist on Scotland as FM a numpty, already proven to be incompetent in several ministerial positions and who claims to be a republican but rushes to bend his knee to the crown and send Scotland’s stone of destiny to indulge an English king in their dreams of Scotland’s subjugation. This is a matter of imposing a useless candidate to make the SNP unelectable, so the powers that be can finally engineer the much sought after labour resurrection in Scotland to eliminate our anti-union MP majorityby force, because for 8 years they could have not achieved it in the lawful, democratic way.

    “Be positive”
    What do we have to be positive about? Watching how millions of taxpayers’ money are wasted in a lavish ceremony while people starve and freeze? Watching how a self-entitled English king sits over Scotland’s heritage to symbolise the subjugation of Scotland and keeping the illusion of a union?
    Watching how the establishment uses its arms to bulldoze democracy to stop the end of the union so Scotland’s assets can continue to be ransacked because of a stupid brexit we did not vote for?

    Or should we be positive about watching how the establishment manipulated the courts to allow perjurers get away with abusing their positions of power to put an innocent man in prison and because they failed, they are now desperate to get rid of juries?

    Or should we be positive about watching in this toxic union the acceleration of the extinction of the native population of Scotland after several years of lower births than deaths and continuous influx of inmigrants from down south and from NI?

    what exactly do we have to feel positive about in this union where democracy and our constitutional rights under the treaty are being bulldozed on a day to day basis in a quest to resurrect in Scotland the failed English model of right-left bipartite politics so this toxic union can survive?

  98. Ruby says:

    I like that football chant.

    My suggestion to YES supporters would be to pinch it and just replace the word bolognese with whatever is on offer from the SNP.


    You can stick your fuckin’ carrots up yer arse.

    juryless trials
    general election

    No complaints from the pearl clutchers about bad language. All the nicey nicey be kind approach hasn’t worked.

  99. Republicofscotland says:

    Lenny Hartley, Ah spotted it there at the bottom of the article, thanks for that, hopefully her arrest will soon follow soon.

  100. Lothianlad says:

    Brilliant Stuart!! Simply brilliant analysis

  101. Lothianlad says:

    Michael forsyth arranged for the return of the stonebin the late 90s to quell support for independence.
    HY handed it back in this millennium to quell support for independence.
    Go figure.

  102. robertkknight says:

    Ottomanboi @6:07

    “There is no such entity as «respectable» nationalism.”

    Try telling that to our southern neighbours on Saturday.

  103. Vivian O’Blivion says:

    Ammunition to provoke cognitive dissonance in your Monarchist acquaintances.
    What did dowager Queen Mary know about Rudolph Hess parachuting onto Eaglesham moor on the 10th May 1941?
    Why did the multiple copies of the detailed peace treaty Hess carried with him (ready to sign) include a provision to declare the Duke of Kent (King’s brother) King of Poland?
    Why was Keeper of the Royal Gallery, Anthony Blunt sent to bombed out Germany in the summer of 1945? Why when Blunt was exposed as a Soviet spy was MI6 officer Peter Wright (tasked with interrogating Blunt) warned off by “the Palace” not to pursue this line of questioning?
    Why did dowager Queen Mary “request” (read demand) all diplomatic dispatches be copied to the Palace? An unprecedented situation that outraged the Foreign Office, who out of the deference towards the Royals of the time felt obligated to comply with.

    Background material: The Dungavel handicap. Lobster #81
    Supplemental: The diaries of Henry “Chips” Channon. (review) Lobster #83

    Reading material for a Bank holiday weekend. Have fun.

  104. Robert Hughes says:

    Mia . 7.47


  105. Bob Costello says:

    Stuart , on a different subject but linked, and with your forensic research abilities in mind, have you thought of researching the Pandora Papers and the Paradise Papers for connections to the Murrels ? I had a brief look, but didn’t have the time required.

  106. Debatable Lands says:

    Reply to James Jones @ 5.29

    Thank you James.

  107. Confused says:


    Remember also that it was Anthony Blunt who went around buying up and collecting as many of Stephen Ward’s artworks as he could get his hands on after Ward’s conviction. Was Ward’s art significant also, or did it serve merely to embarrass some of his more blue-blooded subjects? Could it have represented the ledgers in a pencil and water-colours format?

    There are long-held rumours that Blunt was, in fact, the bastard offspring of King George V and, indeed, there is a remarkable similarity between the young Blunt and George’s son, King Edward VIII.

    Now I appreciate that this rather crude mock-up is proof of nothing save a rather basic understanding of PowerPoint; however, Blunt was appointed Surveyor of the King’s Pictures in 1945 despite his description just three years later, in 1948, as being “…our Russian spy” by the then King’s private secretary.

    Likewise he was made a Knight Commander of the Royal Victorian Order in 1956 by the Queen despite the defection to Russia in 1951 of his close friends and fellow Cambridge alumni Guy Burgess and Donald Maclean.

    Indeed, even when in 1964 Blunt confessed to his espionage activities he managed to secure immunity from prosecution and publicity and an agreement from the British government that his spying would remain secret. That secret lasted fifteen years before he was exposed in Parliament.

    My point is; royal bastard or not, this man’s supposedly treasonous activities were common knowledge for a very long time, therefore, he clearly either had some serious shit on somebody or he was never a spy in the first place. It is telling then that in the sixties, after Blunt’s confession, the Queen’s private secretary said to MI5 immediately prior to an in-depth interrogation of Blunt:

    “From time to time you may find Blunt referring to an assignment he undertook on behalf of the Palace – a visit to Germany at the end of the war. Please do not pursue this matter. Strictly speaking, it is not relevant to considerations of national security.”

    Really? Just who the fuck is the Queen’s private secretary to determine what is, and what is not, a matter of national security.

    The reality is that Blunt was engaged in wiping clean the royal arse; he was securing records that showed just how close the Duke of Windsor – the former King Edward VIII and Blunt’s doppelganger – was to Adolf Hitler. Records that showed that the Duke considered the war to have been a huge mistake and that, had he still of been King, it would not of taken place.

  108. Lisa Lane says:

    There’s no way Humza Useless would blank the upcoming coronation in the Saxe-Goburg Gotha dynasty to attend an AUOB rally. He’ll claim to go to an “urgent” meeting at the Pakistan consulate.

  109. Kcor says:

    It is long overdue to write off the SNP completely as far as independence is concerned.

    That includes the likes of Cherry and Regan.

    Just as Labour could never be saved from the inside, the SNP cannot be saved from the inside.

    O/T The anti-Corbyn Guardian which played a leading role in ousting him on false charges of anti-Semitism just published a vehemently anti-Semite cartoon depicting the BBC chairman who resigned, before withdrawing it without any apology.

  110. Robert Hughes says:

    @ Mia

    That ? was supposed to be a ” heart ” emoji for your excellent post . Not quite mastered the arcane art of making emojis from punctuation marks . See if this works 🙂

  111. Shug says:

    Humza has been in a couple of weeks and has made himself look ridiculous to the point of being coming a joke.

    He is doing as much as Nicola to destroy the movement

  112. Kcor says:

    Mark says:
    30 April, 2023 at 6:38 pm

    “The idea that this is a grown up, sensible thing to do is ridiculous.”

    Who said it was a grown up, sensible thing to do?

    It would have been the biggest stunt in history, brought to the attention of the whole world.

  113. Stephen O'Brien says:

    Westminster auditors to keep the lights on or shut up shop?

    What would be worse… Devomax and remnant of SNP or party over completely for Devolution and Holyrood?

    P45’s all round would be merciful, start from scratch, with London quota of MPs.

  114. Ian Stewart says:

    So that’s your answer to my question the other day Stuart – your idea for achieving independence is daft gesture politics to attract public and world attention to the subject of independence.

    That’s worked really well for Extinction Rebellion, Just Stop Oil and the rest of the eco nuts in merely ramping up public opposition and losing public support for sensible environmental policies. Maybe you’re taking your inspiration from the trans nuts who have succeeded in winning influence and support from ignorant Scottish politicians and institutions for their daft gender policies, but not Scottish voters as you yourself have pointed out.

    I can’t believe that a clever fella like you has come up with this nonsense. It’s really desperate stuff, and just illustrates weakness. Next idea please.

  115. Ian Stewart says:

    @ A Scot Abroad 2.02pm
    You’re spot on about the craziness of this suggestion and any illegitimate declarations of independence.

    I asked Stuart what could be done to further the cause of independence and he comes up with this pr gesture stuff. However your suggestion of negotiating a date for the next referendum seems like a good way forward. But it needs the saner nationalists to take charge to make it happen.

  116. David Hannah says:

    You don’t obtain Independence by asking for permission or betraying the fake cover stone of destiny.

    Yousaf has betrayed the Stone. I see was at the old firm game. He probably singing God Save the King with the Rangers fans. He will be next weekend.

    The keeper of the Seal will be clapping like a seal for our net negative, Scottish public opinion Royal family.

    At least Privy Councillor Alex Salmond said he wouldn’t have handed the Stone over. The Royals will respect that more.

    Oh well. Another missed opportunity for Humza Yousless.

  117. George Ferguson says:

    @Ian Stewart 10:16pm
    I don’t agree with Stu on everything but I do on most things. Your post is late in the day. What’s your proposals then?. I am having to do a positioning paper on a return to public services of Utilities. A fraught proposal and 4 to 6 month’s preparation.And I am supposedly centre right wing. You would think SNP, LD, Labour, Tories would bite at the chance. After a Winter and Spring of cold temperatures. But no GRR and other social shit is priority. There will be an election soon to test SG priorities.

  118. David Hannah says:

    I don’t mind Alex Salmond going down to the Coronation. Big Eck’s already made his position absolutely clear. He says we shouldn’t have handed over the Stone.

    I see big Eck as a guardian of Scotland. A watchful eye looking to defend Scotland’s Sovereignty and people, making sure there’s no funny business going on.

    Self identified Republican Yousless is going down to assimilate as a subject of our English Monarch. He’s going to be fun at the party isn’t he.

    Have you heard about the GRR bill Princess Eugene? I’m going to make my lawyers millionaires.

  119. David Hannah says:

    Yousaf will be raging. He’ll be accusing the Royals of being too white. He’ll be at back table with Nicola and Pete tucked away in the corner. Scorning at everyone. Billy no mates. Having abandoned his people in Glasgow instead of promising to attend.

  120. Ruby says:

    These BritNats Ian Stewart & A Scot Abroad are funny!

    Does anyone read their posts?

    There does need to be a route agreed to allow Scotland to choose independence if that is what the majority of the people want. It would be wise for the Westminster government to outline that route: perhaps declare that a S30 order will be granted in 2035 (21 years, or a generation on from 2014)

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  121. Stephen O'Brien says:

    As things stand; if Devolution is brought to an end; what’s most likely to bring that about; Tory’s binning the Scotland Act or SNP binning the Act of Union?

    Would Tory intervention be such a shock?

    Devomax (booby prize) a long shot.

  122. Ruby says:

    George Ferguson says:
    30 April, 2023 at 10:54 pm

    @Ian Stewart 10:16pm
    I don’t agree with Stu on everything but I do on most things. Your post is late in the day. What’s your proposals then?.

    His proposal is that we wait until 2035.

    The SNP would love that suggestion. They may well have already made that agreement with Westminster.

    A wee song for Iain Stewart and his pal from Norfolk Broads.

    All together now
    “You can stick yer mad proposal, stick yer mad proposal, stick yer mad proposal up ………….”

  123. Ian Smith says:

    Quite odd how the Sunday Mail have a pop at the Sturgeons every week, then the Record completely ignore them.

  124. Ruby says:

    David Hannah says:
    30 April, 2023 at 11:10 pm

    Yousaf will be raging. He’ll be accusing the Royals of being too white.

    Too white & too racist!

    No Meghan at the coronation.

  125. PhilM says:

    I was pretty certain by details dropped here and there that you were a fellow Lobster reader.
    Have you read Stephen Dorril and Robin Ramsay’s Smear? I keep getting stuck halfway due to various distractions but I’ve gone back to it recently.
    In a few years when we know more and have even more distance, someone should attempt a parallel comparison between Harold Wilson’s PM-ship and the Alex Salmond stitch-up.
    It’s interesting that Wilson is actually one of AS’s political ‘heroes’. I would like to hear AS explain at length why he rates Wilson so highly.
    Subject for a Wings over Scotland podcast?

  126. George Ferguson says:

    @Ruby 11:38pm
    An impossible scenario. We cannot be part of an equal Union and have no say in our future. An intellectual and political weakness of the UK Government but also of the Scot Gov. Of course we have Humza
    a defender of the Great Seal. Wake me up in 10 years.

  127. Alastair R says:

    The optics of a Muslim refusing to send the Stone of Destiny to a Christian coronation would not be good

  128. Ruby says:

    Robert Hughes says:
    30 April, 2023 at 9:46 pm

    @ Mia

    That ? was supposed to be a ” heart ” emoji for your excellent post .

    No heart emojis, no poo emoji, no aubergine, no flags, no PMSL emoji, no poppers, no monkeys, no greedy pig, no donkey, no peach

    All we have is
    wink, smile frown & confused.

    You can just write the name of the emoji which can be fun because you can invent your own emoji.

    I though ‘chocolate teapot’ would be a good emoji but there isn’t one but there is nothing stopping me from writing ‘chocolate teapot emoji’ ‘fruitcake emoji’ or ‘box of frogs emoji’.

    I reckon you would be very good at inventing the written emoji.

    Any alternative suggestions for the ‘heart emoji’?

  129. PhilM says:

    But very few would ever think to paint a Scotland-England stand-off over the SoD in religious terms, so there are no optics. As I understand it, Chuck W is going to include people from many faiths during the ceremony, so no-one will see any optics unless they do so through ‘bad faith’ i.e. an ulterior motive.
    What HY should have done is to remind people of what the Stone represents and why its theft is/was symbolic for many Scots of an imperial attitude held by elites in England towards Scotland. This has nothing to do with any form of xenophobia, most ordinary English people will have no idea of the re-drawing of maritime boundaries to suit England and damage Scotland.
    The relationship has always been unequal and so it has to end. If a bag of Henry VIII’s nail-clippings were secreted away in Edinburgh castle, you can be sure the likes of Rabid Starkey, Android Roberts, Toff Holland and Danforth Snow would be noisily campaigning for their return as important national historical artefacts.

  130. boris says:

    caltonjock: Kirsten Oswald: No record of her ever promoting the cause of Scottish independence at Westminster. A report on Robertson’s and Oswald’ freebie to Israel revealed the level of control over British politics to be absolute and a threat to Scottish society. The whole sordid mess is to be found here. ( Extract: Israel diplomat courted SNP deputy leader ahead of trip. Al Jazeera reveals how Shai Masot courted senior Scottish politician, raising questions over political interference.

    Question?: After Masot was exposed offering Israeli assistance and funding to “take down” MPs, he was withdrawn from his diplomatic post in London and BJ considered the matter closed. The SNP Foreign affairs spokesman demanded further investigation. That was Alex Salmond.
    Just coincidence?

    Answer!!: caltonjock: Coincidence? Robertson’s unsolicited statement to the Holyrood Inquiry about Edinburgh Airport exposed his duplicity and teased at his role in the complicity.

  131. A Scot Abroad says:

    @ Ruby,

    you seem to find it funny that I suggest a date of 2035 for another referendum.

    Do you seriously think that anyone / any party would be ready to take a new nation of 5 million people into a sustainable independent future in any shorter time, given the reality that Scotland has no currency of its own (minor problem), no central bank of its own (much bigger problem), no trade deals, and is currently a net recipient of funding that would disappear upon independence? These things aren’t to be laughed away, and shouldn’t be ignored. Brexit has taught us all that you can’t easily birth a new independence overnight.

    Your prospectus for very rapid independence is only going to hurt Scottish people.

  132. Cynicus says:

    Constitutional monarch or democratically elected President?

    Tampon Charlie or President Sturgeon?

  133. twathater says:

    @ Robert Hughes 6.21pm, Robert why don’t you tell us what you really think instead of your diplomatic responses ,
    It does appear that WOS is suffering from a larger influx of unionists than normal and they all appear to love pointing out how gracious and charitable the WM establishment is to us poor jocks and how we are such an ungrateful lot

  134. Willie says:

    The picture of Yousaf walking behind the stone, the symbolic stone, as it is taken from Scotland is as bad as it can get.

    This man has shown the world his utter subservience to his English masters. It is as insensitive as burning a Bible, a Koran or a Torah.

    There could be little worse that this lickspittle clown could do to show what he really believes.

  135. Dorothy Devine says:

    And there was me thinking Scots had been fighting for independence for nearly 300 years – and then along comes someone to tell me that we can’t do that until 2023, by which time I will be well and truly pushing up a thistle.

    It has been stalled by a bunch of gravy train swines for the last 8 years – much could have been done about currency , banking , trade deals etc. in that time.

    A ‘generation’ in parliamentary terms is not 20 years as no parliament can be forced to use the previous ones proposals.

    I ponder the thought that so many countries succeeded in becoming independent by using sterling until ready to use their own, that they survived without Mother England and indeed progressed.

  136. Mia says:

    “you seem to find it funny that I suggest a date of 2035 for another referendum”

    Personally, I do not find it funny. I find it absolutely hilarious. It is obvious you seem to think the people of Scotland are zipped at the back.

    We know very well the native population of Scotland is in accelerated decline. If you take a look at the national records of Scotland, you will see that the number of deaths surpasses the number of births in Scotland since 2015. Coincidentally, this is the year the political fraud Sturgeon took the reins of the first SNP MPs absolute majority and removed its wheels.

    A critical year was 2020, where deaths surpassed births by a staggering 17,000. The political fraud Sturgeon announced a few years ago, and well before COVID started, that this trend was going to continue for a significant amount of time. So she knew Scotland’s demographics were in serious trouble. Yet, she was in no hurry to deliver independence. Quite the opposite. She wasted 8 years of our time purposely delaying it. This did not benefit the yes side. It benefitted the no side.

    Now Yousaf is following the exact same delaying tactic: fabricating a manifold of excuses to not progressing independence. The hidden message from this is that, clearly Sturgeon and her continuity candidate do not give a shit about Scotland’s demographics. It is only the preservation of the union, even if that ends Scotland, what they care about.

    Then we have the continuous exchange of Scotland’s natives for emigrants. Just to give you an example, according to the national records of Scotland for 2020 to 21, the influx of emigrants from other parts of the UK into Scotland was a massive 56,000.

    Influx from outwith the UK into Scotland was another massive 41,000. Adding both figures, we had an influx of migrants in Scotland of 97,000 just in one year.

    To this we have to add the emigration of people from Scotland to elsewhere. For those years, the National Records of Scotland estimate that as many as 47,300 Scots emigrated to other parts of the UK and 22,100 outwith the UK. That makes 69,400 Scots leaving Scotland in just one year.

    So we have an scenario where this toxic union is causing our native population to die at faster rate than it is renovating itself and it is also causing an accelerated exchange of healthy, native Scottish population for population coming from elsewhere, many of them retirees. 69,400 Scots were replaced by 97,000 people coming from elsewhere.

    There is no wonder the colonialists are desperate to delay this referendum for as long as possible so the replacement of Scotland’s population can continue at pace.

    Let’s just look at numbers for our own amusement, shall we?

    An average 15,000 more deaths than births per year will result in 195,000 less Scots in 13 years up to 2035.

    69,400 Scots emigrating x 13 years = 902,200 natives potentially lost to other countries

    97,000 immigrants x 13 years = 1.261,000 new people entering Scotland.

    Now, considering the natives and those who have lived in Scotland for longer are more likely to vote yes than those who have just arrived from the UK or abroad, what we have is an artificial increase of no voters yearly through continuous immigration and an artificial loss of yes vote through more deaths than births and continuous emigration.

    In other words, Sturgeon’s 8 years of stasis have helped to decrease the natural yes vote while artificially increasing the no vote. There is no wonder the percentage of yes has remained static despite the embarrassing mess Westminster has been in the last 8 years.

    There is also no wonder colonialists in London and Holyrood are so desperate to push the referendum for as long as possible and then push for an open franchise ensuring all those potential no voters within the “new Scots” can cast a no vote to frustrate, yet again, the fundamental right of the Scottish native population to self-determine.

    Delaying a vote for independence is only hurting the yes side while artificially increasing the no vote.

    “Do you seriously think that anyone / any party would be ready to take a new nation of 5 million people into a sustainable independent future in any shorter time”

    Yes, of course I do. The only thing it is needed is for a REAL pro-independence party, like the SNP led by Mr Salmond before the political fraud took over, to take control of our anti-union MP seats.

    Unfortunately, since November 2014, what we have had is an SNP infested with political frauds, troughers, colonialists disguised as “devolutionists” and crown sycophants who have been fighting against independence rather than for it.

    “given the reality that Scotland has no currency of its own (minor problem), no central bank of its own”

    And none of those two will be become a reality for as long as the political frauds in the SNP force us to remain in this union. In order for those things to materialise Scotland needs to end the union.

    “no trade deals”
    If Scotland revokes the treaty of union, then England will not have trade deals either, unless Scotland agrees for it to become the UK continuator state. Trying to make this only Scotland’s problem is incredibly dishonest.

    “is currently a net recipient of funding”
    Under whose calculations?
    I look at the oil fund that Norway has and reckon that Scotland has been a net contributor to the UK since the first oil drop was robbed from Scotland’s waters. That net contribution has increased with the supply to England, for free, of the surplus of electricity obtained in Scotland from renewables.

    So let me ask you again, under whose calculation is Scotland “a net recipient” of funding?

    Scotland would not need any “subsides” if ALL revenues from ALL Scotland’s resources ended in Scotland’s coffers rather than in those of England and the pockets of the crown.

    “These things shouldn’t be ignored”
    Indeed they shouldn’t. When Scotland finally ends the treaty of union, it has to present England with a bill corresponding to the reparations England will have to fulfill after ransaking Scotland’s resources for so long. The Norway oil fund gives us an indication of the scale of the robbery.

    “Brexit has taught us all that you can’t easily birth a new independence overnight”

    The only thing brexit has taught us is that VIP taxdogers in the UK are so disgustingly greedy that they had to crush democracy, crush Scotland’s legitimate right to self-determination, force hardship on every family, plunge the entire UK into economic suicide and decrease our standards to those of a third world country so they could keep hoarding cash annonymously to keep their good name.

    “Your prospectus for very rapid independence is only going to hurt Scottish people”

    As it has been demonstrated for the last 5 years of deaths surpassing the number of births, remaining in this toxic union is sentencing the Scottish native population to inevitable extinction. Remaining in this toxic union has been hurting Scotland for over 300 years and counting.

    Independence is the only way Scotland can be saved. It is urgent. We know it and the colonialists know it, that is why they are throwing all their weight into stopping it. And that includes the political frauds within the SNP.

  137. Beauvais says:

    James Kelly is saying on his blog that if Sturgeon had stayed in office we “would probably have had a de facto referendum”.
    James’s delusion shows just how powerful the aura is that Sturgeon and her image makers built up. Even now it exerts a hold on some who ought to know better.

  138. Republicofscotland says:

    “You’re spot on about the craziness of this suggestion and any illegitimate declarations of independence.”

    Illegitimate in who’s eyes Westminster’s? Westminster has no say in what direction Scots take to dump this rancid union, its completely up to Scots, we’re only still in this bucket of sewage union because of our own House Jocks, who are making a good living off the misery of their fellow Scots.

    Westminster has no power over Scotland only what we falsely give it, there’s no case for the union, there’s nothing Scotland cannot accomplish as a independent nation as England has, albeit become a member of the P5, and we don’t need to do that.

  139. Republicofscotland says:

    This is typical, and expected of the SNP charlatans. Get them out and get Alba in.

    “SNP at it again. They’ve posted two photos of their campaigns, one from Rutherglen, the other from Cambuslang. The only thing is that it’s the exact same people in both photos, lined up exactly the same, wearing the same clothes and holding the same placards!”

  140. Republicofscotland says:

    Shell and BP set announce more bumper profits in the first quarter, as Scots families struggle to keep the lights on, and the SNP did f*ck all to stop it.

    Get the SNP out and Alba in.

  141. KOF says:

    From the article –

    “It would of course have been unpopular with monarchists, but what’s new about those people being hostile to the indy movement?”

    It would only be unpopular to British monarchists, not Scots monarchists.

  142. Stephen O'Brien says:

    Short Money issue. Does this only effect SNP opposition MPs, in Westminster?

    Holyrood SNP MSPs funded separately or do they also face the same sanction?

    What impact would the Electoral Commission intervention and their imposed audit, have on SNP overall?

    If Holyrood unaffected, I presume the party would require to pool resources to cover any loss of funding of their London based MPs. Staff redundancies most likely.

    The fallout from this could become grave.

  143. Ruby says:

    A Scot Abroad says:
    1 May, 2023 at 1:28 am

    @ Ruby,

    you seem to find it funny that I suggest a date of 2035 for another referendum.

    You are funny! ‘box of frogs emoji’

    You can stick yer BritNat suggestions up yer erse!

    Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

  144. Ruby says:

    Beauvais says:
    1 May, 2023 at 9:04 am

    James Kelly is saying on his blog that if Sturgeon had stayed in office we “would probably have had a de facto referendum”.

    James Kelly! ‘snap crackle & pop emoji’

  145. Colin Alexander says:

    In 1296 the reputed Stone of Destiny was robbed to England as a seat for the arse of the King of England. To demonstrate the English Crown’s complete power over the Scots.

    It’s happened again. The SNP FM even assisting its theft.

    Sad, to say, I think the removal of the Stone for the English King’s Royal arse perfectly symbolises where we are right now: the SNP are treasonous colonial administrators of the English Crown.

  146. JGedd says:

    I see we have acquired a coterie of unionists again applauding and amplifying one another. It’s the same old unionist arguments again – England subsidises Scotland, we don’t have our own currency or central bank. It’s always as if we have to be tutored by our wiser brethren because it’s an essential plank of their belief system that we have to be solemnly schooled since we are simply naive nationalists.

    It’s the same old patronising refrain we have been hearing for years – too wee, too poor and too stupid. They have no idea (well why would they, immured as they are in self-satisfaction?) that this business of setting up a new country, central bank and currency has been done but was sat on and buried by Sturgeon’s SNP.)

    As to the brilliantly ‘novel’ idea of signing up to a 2035 referendum? (Even shamelessly using the ‘generation’ trope yet again.) Who would benefit from that? Well obviously the Westminster Government since it would shut any independence leader up in a one-sided ‘agreement’.

    As Dorothy Devine says @ 8.17am, no Westminster Government can tie the hands of its successors so no guarantee that any future government would adhere to an agreement made by its predecessor. Instead the onus would fall on the independence side to fulfil its side of the agreement to the letter. It would be a foolish or backsliding devolutionist leader who would sign up to that proposal. ( Twelve years more just supping at the public trough and settling down?)

    No true independence leader would agree to tie the hands of their movement and not be ready and waiting for any changes of circumstance that might occur in 12 years. We’ve already had 8 years of stasis under Sturgeon’s SNP. (Do you know, it’s almost as if they too had the ambition to delay independence until the demographics change utterly in favour of the union? We are still waiting on the results of the last census which looks as if they are being deliberately withheld from us. Suspicion grows.)

    (What a stirring slogan that would be. ‘When do we want independence? Well, in twelve years time maybe, if Westminster still agrees to discuss with us and then….’)

  147. John H. says:

    RepublicofScotland 9.48am.

    That’s the way Labour used to behave, and we used to laugh at them. The SNP have morphed into the Labour Party.

  148. Ruby says:

    Purring cat emoji.

    That’s a good one I’ll at that to my list of ‘written emojis’

    Unlike Mia I’m not into the long post hence my liking for emojis.

    Ticking clock emoji.

  149. Ruby says:

    ‘Crystal ball emoji’

    2035 – Westminster say ‘Now is not the time!

  150. Ruby says:

    My tractor emoji wont be yellow it will be tartan.

    ‘Tartan tractor emoji’

  151. Ruby says:

    Just one last emoji for now! Ticking clock emoji.

    Jammie Dodger emoji.

    At first I thought that might be a good substitute for the heart emoji but decided it would be better for something else.

    What do you think?

    What about the ‘Empire Biscuit’ & ‘Teacake’ emoji?

  152. alba says:

    Empire biscuit?
    I think it was Simpsons s32 e5 that had that pretty much covered.

  153. Confused says:

    – on Salmond being a fan of Harold Wilson :

    SMEAR BY DORRIL is excellent and shows the spooks “playbook”, used on wilson, sheridan, salmond, many others.

    dorril’s other major work is MI6, a doorstop, full of incredibly detailed and useful information.

    the significance of wilson as a politician is that he was the last UK politician who had the will to take on the UK deep state (city, bankers, the crown, westminsters employers) and won, at least for a while; their desperation is shown by the plan for a coup (“govt of national unity”) headed up by mountbatten (who was put off it by the chief scientific adviser, solly suckerman – “have nothing to do with it, louis”)

    – the UK deep state are our true opponents. Wilson was a great player of – public opinion, image management, cunning plans and realpolitik – he even used the americans to help him beat the city boys; the price of this (supporting the pound) was keeping the bases open east of suez to support the vietnam war and the cruel and criminal selling out of the diego garcians – but at least vietnam was one war the UK managed to stay out of.

    the only “insult” they could manage against wilson was that he was “too clever by half”.

    wilson was a centrist (though infinitely to the left of all modern UK politicians) and this is the most dangerous place to be; someone acting from the centre is capable of doing things those on the “extremes” are not allowed to; he terrified the city.

    A lot of “nationalist” politicians are playing a game they are not even trying to win; some don’t even understand the game, and some realise the nature of it, but just aren’t very good at it, like newbie chess players only thinking one move ahead; Salmond is a student of Wilson, understands the game, is trying to win, and has enough intellectual heft to make a good run at it – there are few other candidates. Leaders are like centre forwards in football; while they build on the aggregated work of all those behind them, it is their job to score the goals, and individual skill levels count (Messi, Haaland, Maradona … Mark Hateley … Sakala)

    The capitulation of the Labour Party to the city was when they removed “clause 4”; Tony Blair was a thatcherite and Gordon Brown a fan of neoliberal orthodoxy – if you are so ideologically committed, then you are trapped (which is the point), nothing will ever get better (for the majority of people) because it can’t.

  154. AndyH says:


    Slightly worrying choice of name given what they liked to partake in…

  155. JB says:

    There seems to be a problem with your DNS record.

    Queries from various places are returning NXDOMAIN.

  156. Doug says:

    The proper thing to do with a large block of stone – by Danny Morrison:

    “In 1966 when Queen Elizabeth II came to the North [of Ireland], the newspapers published her itinerary right down to the last detail, three days beforehand. After she opened the new bridge across the Lagan, named in her honour, she went to lunch at Belfast City Hall. At the same time, 17-year-old John Morgan, an apprentice heating engineer, was eating his sandwiches on the new Chamber of Commerce House, then under construction, on Great Victoria Street, opposite the Great Northern Railway station (where the Europa Hotel now sits).

    Morgan was that rare being, a nationalist who refused to keep his head down, and despite his youth had often argued politics with his fellow workmates who were overwhelmingly Protestant. Later, at his trial, one of these workmates alleged that minutes before the incident, when they were standing on scaffolding overlooking the route, Morgan remarked: “This would be a good place to pick her off.”

    At two forty-five, Queen Elizabeth II and her husband Prince Phillip left the back of the City Hall in their closed vehicle followed by a cavalcade. All work had stopped and the streets were packed, ten-to-twelve people deep in some places. In Sandy Row alone, 12,000 thousand people were crammed into a 600-yard stretch waiting for a glimpse of the British monarch. When Morgan heard the cheers rising from the direction of Howard Street he knew she was on her way.

    He got ready with his breeze block.

    “I saw the bicycle outriders, followed by her glass-topped Rolls Royce. She was waving a couple of fingers at the people. As her car approached I aimed and threw the brick from scaffolding on the sixth floor and watched it go down. It hit the front left of the car with a huge bang. What I remember is the expression on Phillip’s face. It was a joy to behold. The royal car took off in a cloud of dust. It was only a few years ago when I saw a television programme that I realised that it had been filmed.”

    A spectator said: “The brick – it was a massive big thing – came down. It must have come from near the top of the building, for it was travelling at quite a speed.”

    To be precise, the breeze block weighed 8lbs 12ozs and had travelled 67 feet and 10 inches (the RUC took the measurements), hit the radiator of the Rolls and made a large dent in the bonnet.

    The crowd went wild and there was lots of angry shouting. The RUC rushed across the road into the building and other police officers sealed it off at the back.

    No one had seen Morgan, who was in white overalls like everyone else, throw the brick. A fellow worker claimed that he asked John if he threw it but he didn’t answer. All the workers were assembled on the first floor. At first the RUC accused a young Catholic by the name of Rooney. But the foreman pointed to Morgan and said: “He’s only up from Dublin.”

    Sergeant John McIvor later told the court that when he asked Morgan his name, “He replied in some language that I could not understand.” Morgan initially gave his name and address in Irish. He was arrested and taken out of the back of the building while being punched and kicked. He was put on the floor of a police wagon while RUC men stood on his arms and legs and pointed their guns at him. In Townhall Street he refused to make a written statement but said that it was a personal protest to bring attention to what was going on in the North. According to the RUC he said that, “he didn’t recognise the constitution of Northern Ireland or, indeed, Southern Ireland.”

    Morgan’s home, in Dover Street, West Belfast, was raided and republican literature belonging to him was seized. The RUC attempted to make out that the attack on the queen was an IRA plot – particularly when they discovered that in Dublin he had worked for former IRA leader Harry White from Belfast – but he repeated that he had acted alone.

    The following day, as the British queen was flying out of Aldergrove, Morgan was being charged. He appeared in court, marked with bruises and with a swollen upper lip.

    The charge seat read that on Monday, 4th July 1966, “the accused did wilfully throw a thing, to wit, a concrete block, at the person of Her Majesty the Queen, with intent to injure the person of Her Majesty, or to alarm Her Majesty, or to break or injure the public peace, contrary to the Treason Act 1842, Section 32.’”

    “I couldn’t believe it. I was charged – like Roger Casement – under the Treason Act!”

    In court another person was charged. Apparently, there had been an incident just a minute before Morgan’s attack which he was unaware of. As the queen’s car had driven past the International Hotel in Donegal Square South, a 44-year-old English woman, Iris Carruthers, a chambermaid from Lancashire, had thrown a beer bottle which smashed near the third car in the procession. When she was arrested and charged she said: “Had I properly wanted to attack the queen I would have chosen the bridge where she was exposed to proper view.”

    It emerged that Carruthers had thrown eggs at the queen in Glasgow in 1964. A doctor described her as a ‘paranoid schizophrenic’ with a marked delusion that she had a mission in life to end royalty. “She feels the queen is very jealous of her.”

    Carruthers spent time in Armagh Prison until she was served with a hospital order with restricted discharge. No more is known about her fate. Morgan was remanded to the Young Prisoners Centre in Crumlin Road Prison to await trial. There, he was regularly threatened that the UVF would kill him and was involved in fights with youths with loyalist sympathies. Prison officers gave him verbal abuse and he was not allowed to communicate with anyone during his time on remand.

    At his trial on September 26th there was no direct evidence that he had thrown the brick but he took the witness stand and stated that he had acted alone, on the spur of the moment and it was a political protest. He smiles at that now, forty years later, given that it was premeditated and had resulted from his politicisation whilst working in Dublin, which he went on to explain.

    The jury trial was taken by the Lord Chief Justice, Lord MacDermott, who refused to believe the attack was spontaneous. The breeze block was produced in court to gasps from the jury. The court heard that he had not said to anyone afterwards that he was sorry, and he had no remorse.

    “I was fairly philosophical about my arrest and was actually expecting to get about a year in jail. I was found guilty after 97 minutes and then I heard the sentence from MacDermott. Four years for this. Four years for that. Four years for the other charge. I went down from the dock to the tunnel that runs from the court to the jail. I was just seventeen and had been sentenced to 12 years in jail.

    “The screw said to me, ‘That’s not so bad, you’ll be out before you know it.’ ‘What do you mean,’ I said. ‘I’m doing 12 years.’ ‘No,’ he explained. ‘It’s concurrent. You only do four, not twelve.’

    “I was over the moon and had a big beaming smile on my face when I arrived back in reception. That was definitely the wrong face to be wearing because the screws at reception saw me and immediately thought, here’s this cocky Fenian who needs some manners.”

  157. James Che says:


    As long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any condition be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours, that we are fighting, but for freedom – for that alone, that no honest man gives up but with life itself.

  158. Alastair says:

    Do not accept the Stone back and let it forever be a symbol of the English King and his loyal Parliament’s thieving disdain for our proud Scottish Sovereignty and heritage.
    Keep what you think is the original stone.
    I hope it chills his arse.
    Or, if forced back to Scotland it’s now forever tainted, so place it in public on the Royal Mile so King and Pauper alike can place their arse on it. I think a bare kilted arse would be most appropriate.

  159. James Che says:


    The statistics for Scotland are horrendous, but without doubt a statistic of the Colonies all over the world.
    Scotland is indeed colonised and the the “Colonial Stock Scotland Acts” passed by Westminster in the eighteen hundreds for Scotland confirms Westminsters overall appraisal of how they view the northern isles of Britain.
    However do not be disheartened, the information that I have provide the last few days is on records, and evidence provides that there was no union betwixt Scotland and Englands kingdoms in 1707.
    That the English parliament continued as the British parliament.
    While in England the Scottish parliament was extinguished out of the treaty of union by the conditional terms of the treaty of union that was made and ratified by both parliaments.
    Scotland adjourned the Scottish parliament,
    Thus we find NO Scottish parliament in the treaty of union or able to have representatives of a Scottish parliament since 1707.
    As Saffron Robe eloquently states, ” THE TREATY OF UNION IS A ILLUSION”.

  160. Ian Brotherhood says:

    @Doug (1.29) –

    Fascinating stuff. Never heard of that before.


  161. Mia says:

    “As long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any condition be brought under English rule”

    We have already been under English rule for the last 8 years, courtesy of Nicola Sturgeon and now her hopeless continuity candidate. And this is despite having more than 100, allegedly, anti-union MSPs/MPS elected with a handful of mandates for an independence referendum which they never even made an effort to deliver.

    Eversince 1707 Scotland has been consistently and systematically abused and betrayed by the self-servitude of the majority bar a very few, of its own parliamentary representatives. It is those MPs who have held the key to end this union but chose to preserve it by continuously finding excuses to hand over that key (and other valuable things) to either the crown, England’s representatives or some by-product of the union or another.

    8 years of systematic betrayal and staggering abuse of trust have demonstrated that no political party operating in Scotland can ever be trusted again with this key nor to make decisions on how to use that key after they have been elected.

    Entities like Salvo with no interest in joining the gravy train of Westminster appear much better and more trustworthy custodians of that key at the moment.

    No offer of mandate to unilaterally and immediately repeal the treaty of Union if a majority is obtained by a anti-union political party?

    Then there is no point in wasting our time casting a vote for a party which risks becoming another gravy train for troughers. In that case we are better off spoiling our ballots to endorse no one.

  162. James Che says:


    Scotland does not need to extract itself from a treaty of union, it is not in it.
    It is a illusion, nothing more.

  163. Anton Decadent says:

    Re further up thread mention of The Cambridge Five. Some of the children and grandchildren of their Marxist tutors at Cambridge went on to write books claiming that the ancient Egyptians and ancient Greeks were black. One of them writes for the likes of the Guardian, New York Times and Washington Post and dedicated his book to the greatest influence in his life, those same Marxist tutors.

    Re mention upthread of the World Bank, people should look up the people who brought this and the IMF into being. One of them was a pushy man who had leveraged his friendship with the Roosevelts into involvement in post war negotiations which very much upset the people who were tasked with these and who felt that he had no business to be involved. His plan for post war Germany could have led to the death by starvation of up to twenty five million Germans and prolonged the war by at least six months when word of it leaked. When he demanded that Harry Truman take him to further post war negotiations or he would resign Truman accepted his resignation and he went off to help set up the IMF and World Bank.

  164. James Che says:

    The English parliament is the sole treaty of the union component since 1707.

  165. Geoff Anderson says:

    Doug @ 1:29pm

    Thank you for that. I wonder how many such stories have been buried. I wonder how many young people endured such beatings.

    I understand the Act and spirit of defiance of the young man. Although I would not encourage anyone to follow his example….but 12 years for denting a car!
    I’m a Protestant (born) from a Northern Ireland Family, but I have read my history and refer to it as “The North of Ireland”
    Like many Scots I have an Irish Passport through the Good Friday Agreement.
    A United Ireland and a Scottish Republic will come.
    I’m sure other comments will be along shortly given the Unionist Trolls squatting on this site.

    £45Trillion stolen from India with a large chunk going to Victoria and silence. Who is the Criminal

  166. Republicofscotland says:

    John H.

    Its much worse than that, Labour are a branch office of the English party, a 5th column if you like, the SNP were meant to be our shining light, our banner to follow to lead us out of this rancid union, and they betrayed us, and it came as a shock, a real kick in the stomach.

    Sturgeon was meant to be the best of us, our beacon in a dark union, as Obi One said to Anakin.

    “You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them”

  167. Anton Decadent says:

    Joanna Cherry show at Edinburgh Fringe cancelled after staff refuse to work at it. No comments allowed under article by one of the activists pretending to be journalists at the Herald.

  168. David Hannah says:

    What they going to do ban transgender jokes at the stand comedy club?

    They have made themselves out to be a laughing stock.

  169. Anton Decadent says:

    Seems that the article I linked to was preceded by one which had been published with greater detail and under which comments were indeed allowed. Of interest is the paragraph with regard to which politicians are not being cancelled by the same venue.

  170. Jim Tadgercock says:

    Is it still Tommy Sheppard that owns the Stand?

  171. ronald anderson says:

    Anton Decadent 2.44

    Metinks Tommy Shepard has his hands in this .

    Sue them Joanne .

  172. Republicofscotland says:

    Anton Decadent.

    Thanks for the link, which also said that Evangelist (must be a relation to Billy Graham) has won a 100k for the (SEC) Glasgow, for doing the same thing, also Rodger Waters (who appears on a 404 hist list) won his case in a German court very recently to allow one of his concerts to go ahead.

    Ms Cherry should take them to court.

  173. Republicofscotland says:

    Shauny Boy has Pete Wishart down to a tee here brilliant.

  174. James che says:

    Geoff Anderson.

    What position would Ireland find itself in if it was a fact that Scotland was not a entry component of the treaty of union since 1707,
    All treaties, statues and legislation to Ireland would be irrelevant , would it not have and leave ireland the same situation as Scotland.

    It is interesting though when I studied speeches from the Westminster parliament that many stated the union with Ireland was with England,
    I always wondered about the Colonial Stock (Scotland) acts passed in the 1800s implicating Scotlands true position outside the treaty of union and what effect it would have on other Countries when evidence was provided.

    And Scotland closed its parliament over 300 years ago, yet Englands parliament was continuous in Westminster.
    The Westminster parliament UK site in 2023 also claims that the Scottish parliament in 1707 was extinguished,

    It is intriging to think how many “UK agreements” fall by the wayside if Scotland was extinguished from the treaty of union. Including the Scotland Act.

  175. Ian Brotherhood says:

    @ronald anderson (3.19) –

    Hear hear.

    Many would be happy to crowdfund a private prosecution.

    That’d wipe the smile off his face.

  176. James Che says:

    Without Scotland joined in union with England since 1707, how many agreements have been made by the British Government Westminster parliament and the UK parliament that would be cancelled by default.

  177. Astonished says:

    I am happy to contribute to a Joanna Cherry crowdfunder. Sue them.

    The transcult must understand that their fascism will never be tolerated.

    And if it takes money away from that Red Tory grifter Sheppard – So much the better.

  178. Ruby says:

    Republicofscotland says:
    1 May, 2023 at 3:53 pm

    Shauny Boy has Pete Wishart down to a tee here brilliant.

    He is brilliant! I love his latest.

    Would Shauny Boy be banned from the Tommy Shepard’s comedy club do you think?

    I understand he’s planning on doing some live shows.

    More emojis

    Cosy Slippers emoji
    Morag emoji.

    The Morag emoji might not be fair on the Morags who are not ‘Morags’ so I might have to re-think that one.

    What I’m looking for is a name that represents those who worship Nicola no matter what maybe Mhairi might be better.

  179. Ruby says:

    Interesting thread.

    ‘Someday Somewhere Soon’ tweets

    Indeed, the venue owned and operated by Tommy’s Company, Salt’n’Sauce

  180. Jim Tadgercock says:

    I am happy to chip in for a crowd funder but only if Cherry employs Sarwar to go after Sheppard, Just for the banter like.

  181. Alf Baird says:

    James Che @ 2:03 pm

    “As Saffron Robe eloquently states, ” THE TREATY OF UNION IS A ILLUSION”.”

    As with most of the colonizer’s beliefs, values and symbols it all forms part of the imperial cultural illusion. The cultural assimilation of the colonized group results in an embedded colonial mindset that serves to affirm the myth.

  182. Ruby says:

    Jim Tadgercock says:
    1 May, 2023 at 4:51 pm

    I am happy to chip in for a crowd funder but only if Cherry employs Sarwar to go after Sheppard, Just for the banter like.

    Wot? To pull out is teeth?

    Oh hang on has Sheppard go any teeth.

    Are you getting Anas & Anwar mixed up.

    What about Sturgeon she’s supposed to be a lawyer.

  183. Jim Tadgercock says:

    Ruby aye right enough no idea where Sarwar came from. Yes Anas it is then as I was under the impression that Chief Mammy was a failed lawyer.

  184. north chiel says:

    Another fine post from Mia @0853 am . Should we be looking at the voting franchise for any future referendum/ de facto referendum ( if it ever comes to pass). Would say a 5 or even 10 year residency requirement be an option ?

  185. Geri says:

    He’s spineless & weak but that is no surprise. Another golden opportunity missed for Scotland & as usual we end up with fk all but the eejit waving a secret cheerio & the insult & humiliation it intended.

    What also won’t be a surprise is that he’s a fully signed up Britnat now.

    A committed soldier to the British Establishment, an honor for his community & one he will never relinquish or jeopardise for independence as it’s a shiny badge of honour to be ‘in’the Brit club he’ll never want to leave.

  186. Xaracen says:

    “It is intriguing to think how many ‘UK agreements’ fall by the wayside if Scotland was extinguished from the Treaty of Union.”

    It is even more intriguing to think how much of the UK’s currently active legislation was passed by the Union’s parliament on the approval of the sovereign English partner without the approval of its equally sovereign Scottish partner! How and when did England’s MPs get to represent the Union on their own?

  187. James Jones says:

    Which ones would you reject?

  188. David Hannah says:

    Saw this on twitter. Looks like John Nicholson was a closet gay at Glasgow University.

    He was so far in the closet he worked to stigmatise his fellow gays by labelling them as sexual harassers.

    What a loser. Even at University he didn’t have the guts to be himself.

    Thank fuck he’s not rector of Glasgow University. Vulgar man.

  189. David Hannah says:

    The French are all going mental over that vile toad macron. Slimely bastard.

    Where’s our civil unrest. Are we all too polite, we subjects know our place on the island?

    I hope the violence spreads to Scotland.

    God save the Queen. We mean it man. There is no future.

  190. Xaracen says:

    “Which ones would you reject?”

    All the ones the Scots MPs rejected, obviously!

    The Union is two sovereign partners, not one. England isn’t the Union on its own, and its MPs cannot represent the Union on their own. The same applies to Scotland and her MPs. Neither founder partner has ever had any legitimate authority over the other, so neither do their MPs, and that makes any majority by England’s MPs utterly irrelevant to Scots MPs.

    Somebody upstream on the previous thread insisted that “Scotland is undeniably democratically represented in the UK Parliament.”

    This is true, the representation is fine and doesn’t need to change, but there’s far more to that story; Westminster’s voting system is ‘doing it wrong’, for the reasons above, and it’s the voting system that needs to change, because it permanently short-changes the Scottish representation and Scotland itself by ignoring the fact that the two sovereignties are what their MPs represent.

    What all of the above means is that England’s MPs can only vote for an English Yes or No, and the Scots MPs can only vote for a Scottish Yes or No. Two partners, two votes, one from each, which is exactly what it should have been all along since 1707. The MPs numbers don’t need to change, and they get to keep simple majority voting, it just needs done twice; a simple majority vote among the Scots MPs, a simple majority vote among the remaining MPs, then a comparison of the two Yes/No outcomes.

    To pass a bill or any other matter needs a simple Yes majority, and with only two partners that means two Yes votes or the bill or matter fails, and is either dropped, or renegotiated.

    Simple, perfectly democratic, and 100% fair to both partners, it fully respects the sovereignties of both kingdoms, and it stops England’s abuse of Scotland in its tracks. England’s establishment will hate it, and Hell mend them! What’s not to like?

    Scots MPs should be demanding that Westminster adopt this voting system within one working week or they will simply declare the Union over and start the termination negotiations. No ifs, buts, or maybes

    And either way we must demand full reparations for every abuse and harm done perpetrated on Scotland by the English establishment’s deliberate failure to respect the sovereign rights of its sole partner in the Union.

  191. Daisy Walker says:

    I smell a trap with the Tommy Shepherd The Stand cancel culture of Joanna Cherry.

    Which is not to say it might not have to be fought, but what if, with a favourable judge, freedom of speech is not defended and protected characteristics become…. only protected, so long as none of the staff are offended.

    I have no doubt that backing for Mr Shepherd will be extensive, one way or another. Just think what they win, if they win.

    If Joanna were to lose the case (and with an honest Judge and a level playing field, I see no way that her case should lose), but if she were to lose, it would become THE stated case that wipes the Protected Characteristics in the Equality Act as meaningless, so long as they can find one employee, customer, member, etc who is offended by them.

    And I don’t think anyone picks on Joanna Cherry by accident. This is a trap case. A red flag to a KC Bull.

  192. sarah says:

    O/T re Wings not available. I cannot access Wings today if I use BT internet access but if I switch to Highland Community Broadband I can get Wings.

    Does this help you solve the problem, Rev?

  193. North chiel says:

    “ Xaracen @1033pm @ couldn’t agree more with this post Sir, as regards The people of Scotlands sovereign rights and surely the most clear and appalling example of this was the Brexit vote . If Blackford and his colleagues had any backbone or gumption they would have withdrawn from the Westminster Parliament there & then

  194. Saffron Robe says:

    When one thinks about it, our politicians are hirelings in the service of Westminster and under oath to the English Crown. Is it any wonder they bend so easily to the will of their masters? The democratic will and wishes of the Scottish people mean nothing to them (other than to pay lip service to), because – as Alf is always telling us – you cannot serve two masters:

    “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate one and love the other, or you will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve both G-d and mammon.”

    Matthew 6:24

  195. James Jones says:

    “Which ones would you reject?”

    ‘Xaracen’ – All the ones the Scots MPs rejected, obviously!

    Well done North Chief for offering at least one example (“Brexit”) when Xaracen had none to back his argument.

    Interestingly London was in accord with Scotland on this matter, but a voluntary union of parliaments means you accept the democratic vote, no?

  196. Saffron Robe says:

    James Jones says:

    “Interestingly London was in accord with Scotland on this matter, but a voluntary union of parliaments means you accept the democratic vote, no?”

    James Jones, your argument makes no sense. London may have been but England as a whole was not in accord with Scotland as a whole over Brexit – the two sovereign partners in the Union. As Xaracen has clearly stated many times – and his (or her) argument is unassailable in my opinion – the voting system at Westminster is designed to ensure that only English sovereignty is recognised i.e. what England wants England gets. There may be Scottish MPs at Westminster but they are only a small proportion of England’s MPs and therefore heavily outnumbered, whereas sovereignty is ABSOLUTE (the sovereignty of one nation, no matter how big or how small, cannot be greater or lesser than that of another). Unfortunately, Westminster does not accept this immutable law that all nations are equal and therefore does not regard Scotland’s sovereignty as equal to England’s, but only as a subset of its own (i.e. England’s). And this corresponds exactly with James Che’s argument that Westminster is not, in fact, a union of parliaments but a continuation of the English parliament.

  197. Cynicus says:


    These Celtic fans chanting something other than Justin Welby’s fealty oath

  198. Stephen O'Brien says:

    When did the ‘Party of Independence’, stop being a thing?

    The ‘Party of Forget About the Process and Give Us More Money’, doesn’t have the same ring to it!

    Democracy enables the above, when the electorate allows. SNP manifesto, since 2015, to piss on the electorate, sell us umbrellas and tell us it’s raining!

    Without genuine manifesto to end the Union.. Abstain, if no option on the ballot.

  199. Xaracen says:

    James Jones said;

    “Well done North Chief for offering at least one example (“Brexit”) when Xaracen had none to back his argument.” That would be North Chiel to you, you should pay more attention to the details.

    My argument backed itself, its evidence was stated as the lack of recognition of the two sovereignties, and the false presumption that England’s MPs were entitled to ignore and even overrule Scots MP decisions, as if there were no distinction of significance between them.

    Your supposed evidence of Brexit is only an example of the abuse the current and obviously broken system permits, but wasn’t necessary to justify my argument.

    James Jones said;

    “a voluntary union of parliaments means you accept the democratic vote, no?”

    Really? Did you not understand my argument?
    sarah said;

    “O/T re Wings not available.” I lost access to Wings yesterday morning, and it was because both Google’s DNS and Cloudfare’s DNS no longer recognised the Wings site’s IP address. But if I reset my DNS to the default my ISP provides, access was restored.

  200. Xaracen says:

    “I lost access to Wings yesterday morning, and it was because both Google’s DNS and Cloudfare’s DNS no longer recognised the Wings site’s IP address.”

    I could have worded that better; it was because both Google’s DNS and Cloudfare’s DNS no longer recognised the Wings site’s URL, and thus couldn’t pony up an IP address for it.

  201. Xaracen says:

    Just checked these today and the issue is still present. None of the other websites I regularly visit have been affected, just Wings, and my laptop has the same problem, and setting DNS to automatic whereby it picks up its DNS settings from my ISP’s router fixes it.

  202. Dan says:

    @ Lenny Hartley

    Re. Poor ferry services on Arran which you have previously mentioned.

    I was speaking to someone that works in the health service yesterday and they had heard there are issues on Arran due to health visitor’s ability to travel easily being impacted by the poor ferry service.
    So this sometimes means these travelling health workers have to have overnight accommodation provided (presumably at cost to local health authority) if there aren’t regular and reliable ferries running to get them to the island and back to mainland.

  203. Stephen O'Brien says:

    Why is it, independence is normal elsewhere but here in Scotland, the ‘Party of Independence’, SNP, makes us all feel like fucking loonies? This should not be made so difficult, by those in power, in Edinburgh!

  204. Republicofscotland says:

    “Joanna Cherry has claimed some of her SNP colleagues are “afraid” to criticise controversial gender reforms and prefer a “quiet life” instead.”

    The above is another reason why we need to get the troughing SNP out of office at every election, by the sounds of things they are quite content to ride the gravy train whilst acting like the Three Wise Monkeys.

    Get the SNP out and Alba in.

    Join Alba, Vote Alba do it for Scotland.

  205. Republicofscotland says:

    If I see another Butcher’s Apron today I think I’ll puke, and its not even Saturday, when Jimmy Savile’s best buddy ascends to the throne of England at huge expense to the taxpayer.

    Colonial tv aka all the terrestrial channels in Scotland controlled by England have begun to swamp Scotland with the coming coronation bollocks.

    Thank God for the AUOB march/rally beginning in Glasgow on Saturday, where they’ll be Saltires everywhere you look.

  206. Dorothy Devine says:

    Dan , I frequently go for the early ferry at Ardrossan and there are regularly Physio’s on board. The service , if you can call it that , has been abysmal for a number of years , frequently canceled because of weather and mechanical problems.

    It’s a shame because there is a great staff on board, helpful and friendly – good ambassadors.( Lenny may disagree, he being a more frequent user )

    Anybody else having a wee blether with the fraud squad today?
    Liz Truss seems to be in a bit of bother moneywise.

  207. North chiel says:

    Xaracen says @ 1033 on 1-5-23 , the more I think about this post the more I see that this should have been the procedure from day 1 . Notwithstanding , originally the ratio of population between the “ union partners “ was 4:1 and now it is circa 12:1 I note that our pro rata representation via MP’s would have been significantly different . All the more this backs up the importance of dual sovereignty as highlighted by Xaracen .

  208. Republicofscotland says:

    Craig Murray tells it like it is, Westminster has no power over Scotland only what our House Jock MPs/MSPs give it.
    get them out and get Alba in.

    Vote Alba, Join Alba.

    “The domestic legislation of the country you are leaving is not the determining factor… Westminster can’t veto Scottish independence any more than the Soviet Union could veto Estonian, Lithuanian or Latvian independence…”

  209. Mark Boyle says:

    Dear Stu – every time you moan on Twitter about Wings being “down”, I come over here, yet find it up – and I’m with an internet provider which runs on clockwork.

    Clear your caches, or even better idea, don’t use Google Chrome and Microsoft Edge which are a shower of nosy b**t**ds anyway.

  210. liz says:

    This is just to see if the site will still accept a post.

  211. Carol Neill says:

    Very very quiet here today , is something afoot ?

  212. Daisy Walker says:

    Alex to speak at AUOB in Glasgow.


  213. David Hannah says:

    Big Eck’s not going to the Coronation.

    God bless Alex Salmond. It’s coming Yet for a’ that.

    Hero. A true Scottish patriot. The leader of the Independence cause. Hail Alba.

    Superb. Love him. Absolutely love him. Play it again!

  214. Stephen O'Brien says:

    Complete contempt… from every word uttered in the House of Commons, from all sides. Monotonous script.

    If Whitehall decided Holyrood was to be boarded up, would anyone care, other than those made redundant?

    At least, Devolution being sacked, would be something tangible, to get to grips with. To date, everything including Brexit, insufficient reason to alter the mindset in Holyrood. A waste of fucking space!

  215. North chiel says:

    “Carol Neill@0613 pm very quiet on here” . Have not been able to access Wings since yesterday afternoon. Repeatedly getting message saying that server could not be found . Just got access around 0930 am today

  216. Patsy Millar says:

    You’re back, thanks be!

  217. Graf Midgehunter says:

    Don’t know what DNS s**t is but going cold turkey for the last few days of no WOS isn’t really fun.. 🙁

    OTOH, the trolls can’t get their s**t together on Wings Twitter so it must have been hard for the poor pussy’s when they can’t spout their rubbish to all and sundry. 🙂

  218. Republicofscotland says:

    Hats off to Joanna Cherry in her interview on the English ran STV channel last night, although she won’t be taking the Stand Comedy club to court she’s acutely aware (being a lawyer) that her rights have been impinged upon, media sources claiming that the trougher Tommy Sheppard doesn’t take any part in the day to day running of the clubs, and last night the STV host said Sheppard was unavailable for an interview.

    Meanwhile the SNP trougher James Dornan has called Joanna Cherry a Drama Queen.

    Vote Alba, Join Alba get the SNP out

  219. Mark Boyle says:

    Okay Stu, now I believe you that your site’s gubbed.

    But your mention on Twitter that you’re using Tucows? Dude, seriously?

    Not the sort of host you want if facing the prospect of hordes of malicious “take down” requests from hysterical teens and kidults who don’t like a bit of home truths spoiling their delusions.

    The least prospect of legal issues with any of their sites, no matter what the paper tiger, and they fold like the defence of a Scottish minor professional league club when the opposition mysteriously needs to win by a ludicrous number of goals to have a chance of promotion or reach the play-offs …

  220. Ruby says:

    Monarchy debate shows necessity of freedom of speech
    Kate Forbes

    Such dialogue starts with a listening ear on both sides of the debate. Of course, it must be respectful, sensitive and wise.

    It must must it Katie? Says who?

    This request from Katie Forbes to be ‘respectful, sensitive and wise’ curtails my freedom of speech and that of a large majority of Scots who would prefer to end any argument with ‘Get to Fuck!’ or ‘You can stick your never ending ‘respectful, sensitive and wise’ debate up yer erse’

    Oh aye! Be nice! It takes a lot of patience and I’m not sure it’s very wise to listen to BritNats asking the same question over and over and over and over and over again and churning out the same answer which they never listen to but just go ahead and ask the same question again and again.

    Same applies to the total bonkers arguments from men who believe they are women.

    As for the coronation I think a stand full of football fans singing ‘You can stick yer coronation up yer erse’ is more powerful than the never ending so called ‘respectful, sensitive and wise’ university style debates.

    How long should this ‘respectful, sensitive and wise’ debate go on?

    Do we just go on year after debating the same thing?

    A little less conversation, a little more action, please
    All this aggravation ain’t satisfactioning me
    A little more bite and a little less bark
    A little less fight and a little more spark

  221. Carol Neill says:

    @North chiel, snap

  222. Ruby says:

    Daisy Walker says:
    2 May, 2023 at 6:21 pm

    Alex to speak at AUOB in Glasgow.


    How about a link Daisy?

    I have more of a problem with no links than I do with direct links.

  223. auld highlander says:

    And as if by some kind of magic Wings reappears after a few days of darkness.

  224. Ken Lowson says:

    Glad to see you are back up and running again.

  225. Republicofscotland says:

    “SNP MP Joanna Cherry has said politicians in her party agree with her views on gender but prefer to remain silent “for a quiet life”.”

    Well lets give the SNP MSPs and MPs their wish and give them a quiet life, vote these troughers out of office and they’ll have a very quiet life, get the SNP out at every election, they are only in it for the money and perks.

    Vote Alba, Join Alba do it for Scotland.

    Meanwhile Alex Salmond who WILL speak at the AUOPB march on Saturday in Glasgow.

    “ALEX Salmond has said he would have ordered a ring of policemen to surround the Stone of Destiny and had a “standoff on the esplanade” of Edinburgh Castle to stop it from leaving Scotland.”

  226. 100%Yes says:

    Was your site down, as I couldn’t get on.

  227. robertkknight says:

    Reports that Sturgeon’s rancid SNP have appointed new auditors.

    It’s not calculators and notepads they’ll be needing, but shovels and ground penetrating radar.

    I’d give them a month before they walk away.

    Nice to have the site back, Rev. You put another quid in the meter? 😉

  228. Republicofscotland says:

    Alex Salmond on LBC telling Marr he’ll speak at the AUOB event and not attend the coronation.

  229. Republicofscotland says:

    Meanwhile, it must be Al Capone’s old accounting firm for no firm with a shred of credibility would touch that lot.

    “The SNP has signed a contract with a new auditor more than six months after the previous company quit, the PA news agency understands.

    The party has been without auditors for its accounts since October, with the Westminster group left with just weeks to file with the Electoral Commission or risk losing £1.2 million in funding from UK Parliament authorities to support their work.

    Sources told the BBC on Wednesday that the SNP now hopes to be able to file its accounts in time to meet this deadline, and to file its accounts with the Electoral Commission in July.”

  230. Ruby says:

    A CLIP of Celtic fans singing “you can shove your coronation up your arse” at today’s Old Firm derby has been viewed tens of thousands of times online this afternoon.

    How many people are reading Katie Forbes finger wagging lecture about being ‘respectful, sensitive and wise’

    I’m guessing about 10.

    Demanding people be ‘respectful, sensitive and wise’ is a form of control. Just what you would expect from the SNP.

    I’m absolutely ragin’ today. Could be my rage is worse than usually because I was denied an outlet yesterday and because I live in Central Edinburgh where we have two absolute wankers representing us. ‘tartan tractor emoji’. ‘C You Next Tuesday’ emoji.

  231. Merganser says:

    It seems that the SNP have found new auditors. If they can find the accounts it will give them something to do. Good luck with the search.

  232. Stephen O'Brien says:

    Just Another Saturday…

    SNP now in a relegation battle, their home ground of Holyrood, itself, under threat of closure. The baw is burst!

    Intermediate manager, Humza Yousaf, facing a backlash from within the club. No more substitutes. The SNP crest, fractured and broken.

    This year’s transfer window, will be very interesting.

    SNP fans, best look for a new bus and a new club to support.

  233. Republicofscotland says:

    This comes as the UK falls to number 26 in the World Freedom Press Index.

    “OFFICIAL warning letters have been sent to those planning peaceful protests at King Charles III’s coronation saying new criminal offences to prevent disruption have been rushed into law.

    “Using tactics described by lawyers as “intimidatory”, the Home Office’s Police Powers Unit wrote to the campaign group Republic saying new powers could be used to stop “disruption at major sporting and cultural events”.

    The new law, given royal assent on Tuesday, means protesters who block roads, airports and railways could potentially spend 12 months behind bars.”

    Vote Alba, Join Alba, and lets dump this shithole of a union.

  234. McDuff says:

    Republicofscotland 10.17

    My thoughts entirely.

  235. Beauvais says:

    “Thank goodness we live in a liberal democracy” writes Kate Forbes.

    Such irony. If we lived in a democracy she’d have won the leadership election.

  236. Ruby says:

    Merganser says:
    3 May, 2023 at 10:32 am

    It seems that the SNP have found new auditors. If they can find the accounts it will give them something to do. Good luck with the search.

    Are the accounts not in police custody?

    Half found buried in the garden and the other half found under the floor of the campervan?

    Have the new accountants been paid in advance? How would they know before doing the accounts that the SNP have the money to pay them.

    At least ‘Al Capone’s old accounting firm’ were sure of getting paid in cash this lot might have to settle for a 2nd hand campervan and a full set of used ‘Le Creuset’ pots.

  237. Geoff Anderson says:

    Do the SNP really have new auditors OR have they brought in specialised auditors to clean the books to present to auditing companies. I suspect it is spin on bring in a clean up team.
    The still will not make the deadline.

  238. Ruby says:

    Republicofscotland says:
    3 May, 2023 at 10:22 am

    Alex Salmond on LBC telling Marr he’ll speak at the AUOB event and not attend the coronation.

    Cheers ROS

    ‘Gold Star emoji’

  239. Mel says:

    Brilliant idea, then we could have had another referendum asap. A win for the SNP would put them in charge of Scotland, a loss would have booted Indy down the road for more than a mere generation

    Be careful what you wish for

  240. James Che says:

    Before going forward with any other suggestions or plans for a independent Scotland.
    I have noticed this for road block Westminster,

    It claims the Scottish parliament was extinguished in 1707.

    This leaves England’s old Westminster parliament in the treaty of Union on its own, and it did continue as one and the same parliament as can be the evidence can be noted from Queen Annes speech at the time, and the English triennial Act which ended in Westminster English parliament in 1708.
    Besides the referred to Statutes numbers above being continuous.

    It is unique in the sense that Scotland’s old parliament has not passed one law since 1707 implying that the Scottish parliament was indeed extinguished from the treaty of the union.

    But old Westminster parliaments continues as the Triennial act until 1708 into the simply name new, British parliament.

    To discover that the Scottish parliament has ceased and the English parliament continued does not make a legal treaty.

  241. Stoker says:

    At last, WOS is back.

    Alastair says on 1 May 2023 at 1:55 pm:
    (Re; ‘The Stone of Destiney’)

    “it’s now forever tainted, so place it in public on the Royal Mile so King and Pauper alike can place their arse on it.”

    I absolutely love that idea. Give every peasant the opportunity to plant their arse on it, both resident & visitor alike. I’d make one improvement to your suggestion, Alastair, put it on tour of Scotland. EG: A week in Edinburgh, a week in Dundee, a week in Aberdeen, a week in Inverness, a week in Thurso, a week in Orkney, a week in Shetland, a week in the Western Isles, a week in Oban, a week in Ayr, a week in Dumfries & Galloway, a week in the Scottish Borders and a week in Glasgow. Repeat annually.

    NOTE: This plan is open to tweaking (or even twerking if you like 😉 ) and is not set in stone. (Pun intended!) LOL!

  242. Roger Gough says:

    Could the Battle Bus not have been used to transport the Stone down south? Another chance missed.

  243. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    “Not the sort of host you want if facing the prospect of hordes of malicious “take down” requests from hysterical teens and kidults who don’t like a bit of home truths spoiling their delusions.”

    Don’t you think it would have happened before now?

    Tucows is not our host. DNS is a separate thing to hosting.

  244. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    “Dear Stu – every time you moan on Twitter about Wings being “down”, I come over here, yet find it up – and I’m with an internet provider which runs on clockwork.”

    You were viewing a cached version. The DNS was down, not the hosting.

  245. Willie says:

    Just been hearing how sex pest Patrick Grady is declaring that he will be selected to stand again to be the MP for his Glasgow North constituency.

    Like Labour before him the arrogance of assuming that he will be both selected and elected is astounding.

    Like the vast majority of his SNP colleagues this guy delivers nothing. Part of a team that wants to be returned as MPs who might just be able to hang on to the cost tails of Labour in a minority UK government.

    Not for them indepenfence. They are but troughers in the pay of their English masters. Selling out Scotland, undermining the Scotland as a country, they truly are the servants of the colonial masters.

    And that is why they will be replaced with good men and woman standing on a delever for Scotland basis.

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