Give ’em enough rope
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April 01, 2017 by
Chris Cairns
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That neatly sums up UK politics.
Nice one Chris, very real.
It’s a difficult decision, right enough.
With the delivery of the Article 50 letter, I don’t think it’ll take long for the Little Englanders to gather enough rope to hang themselves.
Love the way Hamish is patiently waiting with scissors in hand to cut the rope at the appropriate time.
Brilliant as usual Chris. 🙂
“To cut or not to cut? That is the non-question”. Fcuk ’em. Snip.
Once again Chris comes up with a very clever cartoon.
Even if we do get pulled over the cliff edge, we have to make sure we land on top of them. We may just survive the fall then.
It’s hard to believe there are still so many in Scotland who wouldn’t use those scissors even though they can see exactly what’s coming.
I still can’t get my head round that fact. Just bloody cut the cord!
He’s certainly captured the crazed psycho tory, even more crazy over losing Gibraltar.
Jings! Hamish has broken his tail! that is not one but TWO unnatural angles it’s at.
I’m going to report Cairnstoon to the Society Against Cruelty to Animated Animals, see if I don’t.
Re cliffs, rocks and hard places etc, this Gibraltar fiasco is epically ironic. The Spanish veto is real after all! Another 300 year old land grab goes over the cliff. Outbreak of apoplexy in Westminster since Theresa’s letter forgot to mention Gibraltar.
Cut the cord Hamish.
Is it really the right time to cut the rope though?
A picture paints a thousand words, well done Chris. Neatly summed up. Now Hamish son, cut that rope.
Is it really the right time to cut the rope though?
Si señor Richardinho or asap.
Love the look – a moments thought, could I, couldn’t I? Should I, Shouldn’t I?
Of course you should! Brilliant.
@ Muscleguy
Hamish’s tail got broken in a fight wi’ a big fat bad guy a long time ago, that’s why he really, really doesn’t like him.
Hamish, it’s not a tandem jump.Cut the bloody rope, the only way is up!
Thanks, Chris, spot on as usual.
Peace Always
Simple but brilliant Chris.
Now is not the time to be pondering, Hamish, cut the bloody chord.
((((( Arrivederci Mr.Bull )))))
Cut the rope!
This, is, of all the cairnstoons, the very, very best. Not one yookay cartoonist has summed up the madness of brexit so well from a Scottish perpesctive.
Their is a generalised madness which has descended on Westminster, and I’m not sure the people of England are going to thank ANY of them in a few years time. Fortunately Scotland is not leaving the EU.
That put a big smile on my face.
Boy has triggering Article 50 opened a huge big can of worms.
Heh. Great work as usual Chris. 🙂
Those scissors better be sharp- we’ll only get one chance to cut the rope that binds us tight.
Brilliant, Chris.
Hamish’s eyes say it all.
“A Yoonie who thinks he can fly”
Stoker:O/T
Is this what you are looking for?
https://caltonjock.com/2016/04/25/snp-government-achievements-the-list-and-it-is-long/
Peace Always
Perfect, Chris. You’re an amazing guy.
lol do it Hamish let the sad old git pay for his own mistakes for a change.
There’s a subtle difference between “forgetting” and “omiting” to mention something.
Cutting the rope – The National isn’t really helping.
With its Bella Caledonia supplement today, The National further weakens its Independence credentials.
It is like the BBC, in so far as it gives us what we like mostly, but always includes something to undermine Independence as well, which explains not only The National’s BBC-like strategy, but also its true purpose.
A bit like a fish supper with a dodgy chip inserted, which, when digested, makes you ill.
That has to be up there as one of your best ever, Chris
The classic climbing dilemma. Cut the rope or die trying to save your fellow climber? In this instance the only solution is to cut the umbilical. Most assuredly both will perish if nothing is done.
What a fantastic cartoon. Amusing, accurate, and ultimately hits you with the very life and death nature of the decision.
You Chris are very very talented.
The eyes have it. Priceless!
Difficult composition, Chris, to show space, depth and perspective.
You should plan a Xmas book: “A Hundred Ways to Kill John Bull”.
Your weekend reading:
Crap to expect next Referendum: http://wp.me/p4fd9j-eUg
Car Tax Hike – not April Fool: http://wp.me/p4fd9j-f3N
Brilliant Chris.
It has always confounded me how the British State gets away with it and why people everywhere just seem in thrall to them.
They must seem very plausible to most.
Not Hamish though.
Cut the fucker loose,about turn and walk to freedom Hamish.
I hope those scissors are sharp. Get cutting.
Is Hamish giving it two thumbs up. Or is he looking for the thumbs up from us? Such a great cartoon.
So good. Plz remember to share it everyone, far and wide.
There be blue blood all over
The white cliffs of dover!
Or, Monty Python style,
It’s not so much the way they fly,
It’s more the way they plummet!
Abosute cracker Chris, says all that needs to be said.
“Now is not the tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiime” – ‘thud’ 🙂
Round John Bull’s tummy, not his neck?
Lol. let’s hope Theresa May hasn’t swapped the scissors for a comedy pair!
Speaking of underhand May, does anyone know if she will write an official response to Nicola Sturgeon, or does she plan just to ignore the letter altogether.
He doesn’t have permission to use those scissors, the unruly cur!
From Stu’s twitter “BREXIT – a Titanic success” the movie:
https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/847877982098268160
Aye Hamish, “we’re all in this together, you have to jump too!”
Hamish has mair sense.
The audacity of the Tories is truly breath taking. Why should we go and do what we rejected?
As he falls over the cliff John Bull becomes increasingly aggresive. Already warlike language is being used. I heard Andrew Castle this morning refer to Europeans as “the enemy”.
Loved Nicola Sturgeon’s letter re Section 30 = )
Am not expecting any kind of useful response.
Just so happy that what needed to be said is said.
Am confident our Scottish Government will move forward as necessary.
They’ll be throwing themselves over, the white cliffs of dover
Just you wait and see
They’ll be queuing a plenty, all the landed gentry, and throwing themselves into the sea
Oh aye , he does has permission to use those sissors.
It’s called a mandate = )
John Bull does know that there isn’t a bouncy castle at the foot of the cliffs?
Her Maj has had it taken it away to be refurbished.
Yet another satellite-tagged young Golden Eagle disappeared over North Glenbuchat Estate, Aberdeenshire. The owner-ship of this estate is particularly interesting!
http://www.andywightman.com/archives/3534
Another cracker Chris, nice one.
Could also have had Hamish standing with two parachutes.
….. and what usually lies at the bottom of a cliff….
You just need Ruth saying “I never said jumping off a cliff was bad idea!”
Capella – it is good isnt it !
A rush, and a push…
CUT THE ROPE, there’s no safety net.
I just hope and pray Hamish cuts the rope Chris.. if he doesn’t he will end up like some old lion with one eye and scabby fur in a mad brit circus..
England is a very foreign place these days.
Didn’t have to be like this you know.
What ever happened to compromise?
Not in Queen Theresa May’s vocabulary apparently.
bbc scotchshire-Sheena his commentator- taking over brexit debate without interuption–
having a referendum without May’s permission in Scotland is like being a banana republic.
Right wing tosh from a right wing programme.
My post about John Boothman! Duh! I forgot the date!
This cartoon should be on billboards!
What does it for me is the stupid grin and the “wheee”.
Great cartoon Chris!
I must say I’m amused about the indignation about Gibraltar. I always thought it was a colonial colony kept for its statregic position and should be returned to the Spanish.
Great Chris and yes if the BT lot win, we’re going over with John Bull.
Re The National, I was going to subscribe and I know it’s the only pro indy daily we have but what puzzles me, where did Bella get all that cash from?
Bill posters in prominent parts of the City & a monthly mag.
Sorry to say but it makes me a bit suspicious, I will continue to buy the iScot mag.
manandboy at 9.06
Whit?
Excellent National today. It continues to improve and the Bella Caledonia magazine inside is a very good read (though I’m not in the Bella Caledonia clientele area particularly)
Now is not the time for scissors. We should be jumping together. It’s not fair to use those scissors without knowing what our fate would be after we leap. Would we reach terminal velocity? Would we make a sort of screaming midair cartwheel? Would the wind blow us up to the peak of Mount Olympus where we would be in our rightful place among the gods?
You’ll kick yourselves for not exploring all the fantastic opportunities.
Best ever. Should be on banners at the forthcoming demos.
One_Scot: “Lol. let’s hope Theresa May hasn’t swapped the scissors for a comedy pair!”
I think she has already, keep hearing how funny this Jackson and Carlaw comedy duo are are but haven’t seen them myself yet.
At last, cutting the ties that bind, its got to be done!
PS:
Prof Curtis in the National hinting that Scotland could have a binding referendum without having to worry about getting WM
‘permission’.
Just got to write the question a certain way…Oh wait! April 1st…Or maybe not
Did not buy the National today,still thinking through the sudden involvement of Bella.I did not particularly like some of their past stuff, now they have a bigger platform Hmmm.
Now if that had been WINGS…..
The Brutish brute John Bull knows he`s in trouble he is wearing his butchers apron waistcoat with the flag upside down which is a sign of deep distress and a cry for help,
much as I want Scotland to cut the rope to brutal John Bull I feel we need to also throw a life line to those thousands of English/Welsh that are moral and decent human beings.
@ gordoz – the editing was very clever. Great idea for Indy messages too, like the Hitler in the bunker video. Very shareable. Who has the expertise though?
If N Ireland and the South are to have no hard border where will the hard border be, and what will the ramifications be.
Will Theresa need a passport to visit her province?
What about the Queen will she need a visa to visit her Loyal Subjects. Will Belfast still have a shopping centre as cross border shopping becomes the norm.
Hope those scissors are nice and sharp Hamish. No hesitation just snip snip.
@call me dave
some folks are somewhat suspicious of Curtice’s assertions.
https://twitter.com/AileenMcHarg/status/847942246313984002
https://twitter.com/KirstyStricklan/status/848081807757258752
Morning links on previous thread for anyone interested.
Just a thought maybe this has something to do that they don’t want Scotland to go and keep telling us we are to wee and poor.
It shows Nexen, owned by China National Offshore Oil Corporation (CNOOC), paid a whopping £792.4million to the government in 2015.
BP said it was “nearing the end of a historic £10billion programme of investment in the North Sea which, alongside the well-documented decline in industry revenues and profits related to the oil price fall, was the key driver of the 2015 tax-repayment”.
It added: “The investments we are making now will deliver UK hydrocarbon production and revenues for decades to come.
“We expect to return to a tax paying position in the UK North Sea within a few years, depending on oil and gas prices. To date, BP has paid more than £40billion in tax on its UKCS (UK continental shelf) operations.”
Ian Wood 2014 oil running out now 2017 “nowhere near the end of its life” come 2018-19 oil running out these fools don’t realise these quotes can now be kept for all time.
One day into Article 50 being triggered and you get the feeling that the EU are going to give those Little Englander’s a right good thrashing, as they say down Eton way.
Hell mend them.
Here’s an excerpt from a statement by Ruth Davidson re John Boothmans apparent appointment to lead Better Together2 or Nude Erection whatever they’re gonna call themselves
“I worked at BBC Scotland under John and know just how committed he is to the Union. Nothing was more important to him.”
That says it all right there
You’ll notice it’s not how committed he is to Scotland or the Scottish people, it’s how committed he is to the union, that’s all that matters to them, nothing is more important to these people they are fanatics, that’s why we will never have a reasoned debate with them.
Even if it was proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that remaining in the union would lead to mass unemployment, poverty, starvation, disease all that would be an acceptable price to pay to preserve the union.
We really need to be shot of these people
Graeme
guisler on bbc Sheena
What a twat. There are lots of Dail Heil readers out there thinking the demeaning of the FM and PM is ok.
2017? 1717
I mentioned John Bull’s aggression earlier. Listening to LBC this morning, the callers are going nuts over Gibralter. One guy willing to physically fight for Gib. Another wants to boycott Spanish goods because the Spanish need their ears boxed.
Get down on your knees world. Obey!
Flower of Scotland
Gibraltar is a difficult one.
Agree it was a colonial possession, but Spain agreed to cede it to Britain, and 99% of the population want to keep it that way. Do you wish to go against the wishes of the population?
That’s what the Unionists want to do with Scotland.
I don’t know what a good settlement would be.
Graeme says:
Here’s an excerpt from a statement by Ruth Davidson re John Boothmans apparent appointment to lead Better Together2 or Nude Erection whatever they’re gonna call themselves
“I worked at BBC Scotland under John and know just how committed he is to the Union. Nothing was more important to him.”
Grame re BBC Scotland so did our
Presiding Officer, the Rt Hon Ken Macintosh MSP maybe that is why he will not tell the Tank to behave herself in Parliament ,just saying.I thought May said no so why is Davidson saying this.
@Hamish100
Aye beat me too it there. Caught a wee sample on the way home on the car radio by accident. Shereen and friends!
Too far up its own a@s@ as usual, good old Scottish Auntie pissing in oor porridge.
How terribly jolly and ‘avon garde’ or more like a week late with the news and a dollar short. Dreadful programme and I avoid it now. 🙁
PS: Thanks for the earlier links re: Curtis Nana. 🙂
Gibraltar, the one question I’d ask is who wants to keep it and why?
Conclusion I have come to is that it is absolutely nothing to do with the people who live there. It has to do with misplaced pride, some sense of loss of a possession and very conservative outlook that opposes change regardless of that changes merits!
This sums up the English ruling classes, but sadly they are able to diffuse this nationalistic sense of superiority down the English people through the elites ownership of the media.
The possession of Scotland is viewed similarly, “we are keeping you, we don’t know why, but we are doing it regardless of what Scots think”.
Scotland is being run as a colony, a colony that will go over this cliff with the English elites unless we come to our senses as a nation, and not a colony!
Graeme
While running BBC Scotland politics coverage John Boothman was censured for offering media training to Labour candidates and is partner of the former Labour minister Susan Deacon.
Great article by Kevin mcKenna in Herald this morning.
Scotsman letter writing Zoomers even more mental this morning with one of them even demanding Germany pay the balance of their First World War reparations to the UK. That worked well previously.
I know there are thousands of thick yoons out there but this one is a cracker from btl one of Nanas links..
Scotland is part of the united kingdom without the funding from u.k. you would be bust so you are not an independant country and may will not give you a referendum So you are going noware if you did leave u.k. and joined e.u.. you would not be an independant country you would be ruled by brussells
So how is that indipendance you would be jumping out of the frying pan into the fire
So from the bottom of our hearts you can’t go any ware because you voted once in referendum you had it mate you don’t get another and when the u. k. Flourishes outside of e.u. and we keep funding you by 1654 pounds per person per year you will kiss our feet that your narrow escape from serfdum was saved By the U. K.
You had fish as first ministers a salmon now a Steurgon well we are the shark (lol)
Belter Chris.
Start the countdown.
Height = 110 m (assuming it’s the white cliffs of Dover)
g = 9.8 m/s/s
http://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/physics/displacement_v_a_t.php
Cut when you get to 2 Hamish.
Croompenstein says:
1 April, 2017 at 11:55 am
I know there are thousands of thick yoons out there but this one is a cracker from btl one of Nanas links..
Scotland is part of the united kingdom without the funding from u.k. you would be bust so you are not an independant country and may will not give you a referendum So you are going noware if you did leave u.k. and joined e.u.. you would not be an independant country you would be ruled by brussells
So how is that indipendance you would be jumping out of the frying pan into the fire
So from the bottom of our hearts you can’t go any ware because you voted once in referendum you had it mate you don’t get another and when the u. k. Flourishes outside of e.u. and we keep funding you by 1654 pounds per person per year you will kiss our feet that your narrow escape from serfdum was saved By the U. K.
You had fish as first ministers a salmon now a Steurgon well we are the shark (lol)
I don’t think that’s a particularly untypical view many English have of us and as ignorant as it may be until we grow a pair and get out of this union it’s no more than we deserve
Graeme
I have to say that not buying the National because of this and that and I don’t agree with so and so and I fell out with Bella Caledonia (which I certainly did) is very hard to understand. It is packed daily with pro independence articles by great writers, showcases a large number of SNP elected members and has a marvelous letters forum everyday,
Oh, I’ve got a sore toe. I’d better just shoot my foot off.
Aye, Scotland needs to cut itself free of John Bull BS. As John Bull falls, English nationalism – in the rancid form of so-called British nationlism – is continuing to rise.
Fireproofjim @11.23
But do 99% of the population want to keep it that way if they would no longer be EU citizens?
I have only ever (although I may have missed it) heard the Leader/First Minister type guy sayin that!
Seems to me that they are in one sense in the same position as us as in they have to pick a Union,and they too need another vote!
Our Media and Mayhem seem to have been unprepared for Spain exercising its right of Veto over Gibraltar in the upcoming negotiations ,of course this gives Mayhem a wee chance to stamp her feet and screech Look Look see how beastly these people are , While Mayhems regime were perfectly at ease using this Mythical Veto to continually beat scots over the head with , when an actual real Veto is presented to them its Screaming bloody Panic, Oh Diddums.
This is where EU polititions and Media really have to start to give some support , the Media in this country are only ever going to present the EU through a Mahem tinted lense , we are only going to get a European view on events if we go and look for it , hopefully some people in Europe will see the opportunity to open up another front that allows some of the truth to be aired because our media are tainted .
Dave McEwan Hill@ 12.04.
Dave,the BBC is not Scotland’s public enemy because of all the good stuff on it.
We can’t have a different set of rules for the National.
Thank, man
Think, man
I wonder if or when Argentina will resurrect their interest in the Falklands. Now that would certainly give westminster the s*its.
Hamish, don’t wait too long…he will take you down with him!
@old highlander 12:40pm
Good point.
manandboy at 12 24
Can do without being patronised. Thanks. The BBC is probably about the best TV in the world across a very wide area of broadcasting.It is entirely UK unionist and its public political broadcasting into Scotland is a disgrace.
Have no idea what this has to do with the National.
Perhaps you can reference some anti Independence content in the National to fill out your argument.
People should read Craig Murray today on Gibraltar before sounding off on the topic
Ref the National.
I distinctly remember Alex Salmond at that huge event in the hydro telling 12,000 supporters that they should support the National.With all due respect to its detractors on here, I think I’ll continue to take the advice from the man who has spent his entire political life fighting for Scottish independence.
For any lurkers out there,who’s advice would you heed?
Man and Boy
Re The National,
Dont end up like Rock constantly complaining over the paper. Write to the paper!!
Personally I dont have a problem of criticism in the paper. Do we want a paper like the Record -snp bad, Zieg Mail – everybody’s bad – Express, Hootsmon etc.
The monotone , monochrome view of the world is not for me.
Alternative to the National? There is none. Remember the brexiter tories and liebour mob hide the paper in shops. They do it because they detest an alternative view to their own.
I do wonder why on this site we run the only pro independence paper down.
Scots go pop has an apology from unionist troll “glasgow working class ”
If folk like him are bailing out , things are looking very good. .Interesting read I wonder how many others Better Together we’re paying to spin anti Scottish lies.
http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk
EBC withdrawing from Eurovision Contest following Brexit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/04/01/bbc-set-to-announce-that-uk-is-to-withdraw-from-eurovision/?utm_source=PNFB&utm_medium=socialFB&utm_campaign=PNFacebookNOw
Graeme@12.03
I have noticed these “rocket scientists” on the internet for a while now, it used to get my blood boiling, but now I just laugh at their inability to make any sense, I and everyone on WoS knows our day is coming, and we are going to have one almighty ceilidh when it happens.
I have lots of friends dan saf, but they made their beds at the last election ( being frightened into voting Tory/U-Krap)because they believed the lies about the SNP wagging Labours tail in a coalition, then came Brexit and the same thing happened. So hell mend them when the time comes.
I have no sympathy.
@Lenny Hartley
But! but!…It’s April 1st here in my hoose.
Shurley schome mishtake!
The wonderful Titanic Brexit video is also on YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECh_rZklkMA
Laughing at tragedy seems excusable it this instance!
Cadogan Enright@1.25
So good!
AYE CUT IT – Great titanic clip ha ha to go with another good cartoon , is it time to look out the Spanish shirts and flags yet ? , OOps that might seem a little childish but who gives a f**k .
OT this is what the Tories’ Brexit shenanigans mean for real people …
http://www.thinkspain.com/news-spain/28824/one-in-three-spanish-scientists-in-uk-considering-leaving-due-to-brexit
Think we’ll discover that all Hamish has to do is open the paw holding the rope having already cut it a long time ago.
@galamcennalath
Titanic Brexit was excellent. Cheers I’m still laughing.
Northern Ireland ‘can rejoin EU after Brexit if it votes for reunification’
While Scotland would be forced to join back of the queue, a united Ireland would not need to reapply for membership, says David Davis
Is this man Davis for real.
I do wonder why on this site we run the only pro independence paper down.
WoS is politics and media, Scottish politics and media. So that might be it.
Belching out of the whole tory BBC led sheebang, endless royals and celeb pap, sports stats n results, there’s been a murder, SNP bad, worship Ruth D, or The National?
Tory psychopaths know exactly how to groom us all.
Gibraltar: A Tax Haven Not a Nation
https://archive.is/NHmHW
Off to catch up on the footie.
The National:
Cryptic X-word, still stuck on top LH side. Jeez! 🙂
@Orri
Excellent! 🙂
Tory piss artists run the UK, shock. Be interesting to see the Holyrood booze bill too.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/parliaments-booze-bill-tripled-two-9775540#ICID=ios_TMNewsApp_AppShare_Click_FB
Went out to buy the National and neither Smiths or Tesco had it…both normally do so I am guessing that the magazine may have seen them go quicker than usual.
Mindful of the fact that England will at some time in the not so distant future be applying for World Trade Organisation membership I thought I would have a wee scout round the web for information regarding same and came across some fascinating facts.
E.G.
This from the Wikipedia entry under the heading Accesion and Membership.
The process takes about five years, on average, but it can last longer if the country is less than fully committed to the process or if political issues interfere.
The Falkland Islands anyone?
More information here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Organization
I also looked for some information about which contries are not members of the WTO that England can be trading with while their application for membership is approved and came accross this interesting web site
http://www.tradeready.ca/2016/topics/researchdevelopment/8-important-trading-nations-arent-wto-members/
From which I have pasted and copied the chapter below.
These countries face significant obstacles to increasing their trade, as they do not hold the Most Favored Nation status given to all WTO members, nor do they receive the same lower trade barriers all WTO members must grant one another.
Instead, they may face higher numbers of tariffs, import quotas and regulations when dealing with most of the world, and cannot resolve their trade conflicts through WTO courts.
I feel that no further comment is necessary except perhaps……
Oh dear oh dear England what have you done!!
P.S. I hope my links work as i´m not sure about the https thing.
The National is not great. It often misses open goals (deliberate?) and does appear a bit half hearted at times. However its the only representation we have in the national press and we need to support it till something better comes along.
Locally most newsagents sell out quickly whereas there are always unsold piles of the drivel that constitutes the rest of the press. When I query the lack of Nationals the common response is that they only have a limited number delivered. Next question is why do they not up their order? Have not had a satisfactory answer to this yet. I am sure the demand in our area comfortably outstrips the supply. There seems to be a deliberate attempt to suppress the circulation. Are the distributors the culprits or is it the policy of the owners to restrict the print runs which would seem more than a little odd unless you believe they have a hidden agenda?
Either way I suspect that well before the date of the 2nd referendum the National will be pulled citing declining circulation as the reason. We need an alternative fast.
Brilliant,and spot on.
I have contributed modestly to Wings and I have paid for a year of online access to the National
While I have to agree that the Rev does a better job than the National of debunking unionist nonsense I believe we need both of them.
I urge people to support the National ( I know few need encouragement to support the Rev) as it is definitely a positive addition to the Yes campaign, one that did not exist before Indy1
Talking of cutting ropes…I’m intervening on this thread to reiterate that those who hold tae the views expressed by an oft times but regular commenter on Wings by the name of Blair Paterson, will be relentlessly challenged and countered at all times by those of us not prepared tae put up wi these bigoted and narrow minded comments.
Sneaking on tae the end of threads does not give you a ‘hiding space’ on Wings Blair.
‘K1 says:
1 April, 2017 at 3:06 pm
Blair Paterson on The Metrosplainers @12.45pm on 1st April 2017 wrote:
‘Talking about sexuality how can people who are abnormal gays etc., be expected to make normal decisions ?and before all you goody goodies start I am entitled to my opinions just the same as you are it is called democracy’
Blair?
You are, as well as being a blood and soil nationalist, also a homophobe and nasty bigoted little sneak.
Go on to the main thread Blair and make the same statement, go on?
From here on in, let me tell you right now I am going to repeatedly paste your comment every time you come onto Wings, every time I see you post until it is made clear to you that your ilk are not representative of the prevalent and progressive attitudes that our polity hold dear in Scotland.
The vast majority of people in Scotland do not hold to your archaic divisive and utterly repugnant attitudes. That’s democracy in action, we hold that majority view in this regard.
So by all means cling to your bigotry and your narrow minded prejudices but don’t think yer getting a fee pass on here under the banner of ‘democracy’ pal.’
Ma apologies for the interruption. Are ye hearing me Blair?
Great toon, Chris.
I’m absolutely FUCKING sick of reading for what seems like years now, the running down of The National. Host to Wee Ginger Dug, and all manner of Indy talent.
Oh, but I’m sure you don’t mean Paul, or to take the bread out of his mouth.
ONE pro Indy newspaper, and folk on here can’t let it pass.
manandboy – what are you smoking? HOW does the BBC compare in any way to the National?
THINK MAN!!!!
I picked up my copy in the local Tesco, just after a lady well into her 60s. It’s a quality production today, but don’t let that fact stop anyone communicating their sour take on it to all the couriers.
Thanks for siding with the yoons, folks, and doing their work for them. Explain WHY you just have to share your considered wisdom to deter any waverers, rather than just not buying the damn thing yourself, and keep this particular opinion to yourself?
Great cartoon – I do love Hamish!
Re The National , it obviously doesn’t have the support of the distributors or there are far fewer copies available to go round.
I have stopped using our local RS.McColls as they had a habit of hiding the National on the bottom shelf under any other available magazine – while having HUGE piles of both the DM and Express at eye level.
I’m sure they miss my 20 odd quid per week that I use to spend there.
Committing suidide in such a feckless manner and for such brainless reasons is sad enough, but forcing another to die unwillingly and unnecessarily with you is nothing short of murder.
It is also illegal to force another to partake unwillingly in a highly dangerous act, putting them at severe risk of injury or worse.
@ K1 3:31pm Well Said Totally Agree.
Valerie.
I agree with you. There is so much to moan about but some moan about our only Indy supporting newspaper.
I don’t always agree with it’s contents but if like me you’re suspicious of Bellacaledonia, just buy the National online and you don’t get the Bella stuff.
I don’t know what’s wrong with some folk on here just now but petty bickering seems to have increased. Don’t be distracted from our goal please!
And where’s Robert Peffers? Please come back!
United Nations charter 1960 states quite clearly the right to self determination and that a country may not not be dominated OR governed without their consent
Perhaps food for thought when some folk think the Scottish government can’t hold referendums if they so choose or whether they’re legal or not
When the Unionist lawyers start bleating about the “Not legal” status of such endeavours they should perhaps peruse the UN regulations
I’m not saying that this is the First Ministers option but I will say you can bet money this will be “On the table” shall we say
I’m no lawyer but The English government will know this too and if they don’t think the First Minister would use it they don’t know our First Minister
If Nicola Sturgeon employs the UN charter to solve the lack of Scottish democracy the world will cheer and we’ll hear their applause from here
This is the modern day equivalent of the clearances in action. If anyone in Scotland believes that staying within the union with England under the rule of right wing Tories for the next 10 tae 15 years, (who will promise more ‘devolution’ after Brexit as a means to strip Scotland further of her assets)’ won’t result in ‘people flight’ as those with the means make their escape, then am afraid ye have not being paying attention
They will destroy our nation, they aim tae crush the SNP and every gain that we have made since they came intae office will be as if we’d lived in a happy dream. Only to be replaced by a nightmare of their making.
We need every available resource at our disposal for this last grand battle, we need the National, we need those who contribute with their insights and strategies to have a platform that reaches into communities and the National is our only ‘hard’ media outlet with that reach.
Let’s stop the relentless moaning about this…buy it or don’t but stop monstering ourselves over this.
It’s more than we ever had last time? And if we lose next time the I’m pretty sure Stu, The National and many other blogs will cease to exist not long afterwards, so you’ll get yer aim tae shut the National down but only because ye worked so hard in the lead up infighting about a fucking newspaper rather than staying focused on wining over the people we needed tae win.
Big picture here, we lose Scotref we lose everything.
And where’s Robert Peffers? Please come back!
Seconded!
Its people like you Mr Peffers that make it easier for others to speak up too.
We visit an area in the north west of Scotland once or twice a year. Last year, in the (only) shop, they had two Nationals, both of which had been ordered.
Last week, you could go in later in the day and be almost certain of picking up a copy.
Keep buying it!
Just went out and got the National for the first time in a long while.(never missed a copy in its first year)
I will give it another chance, but will keep a close eye on it “scoring goals rather than hitting the post”. (you know what I mean)
Time will tell.
Titanic parody, “Classic”
If anyone’s having bother getting The National, why don’t you ask your newsagent to order one for you? It’s not a big deal. Then you don’t have to rake about for it, or worry if you can’t get to the shop early.
Aside from anything else, we should all be supporting wee local shops – less business for the supermarkets the better.
Dave McEwan Hill, Flower of Scotland and Valerie
Re the National. You are absolutely right.
If you dont like the National write to the Editor or the paper direct but don’t suggest don’t buy it.What is the point in that? My suspicions arise when folk criticize it out of hand. As I said to Rock some weeks ago what paper he read, he responded that he didn’t. Weird.
Maybe we have frightened journalists who see the writing on the wall for the brexit papers. There are too many in Scotland, too many free right wing papers and giveaways and lets not forget the local press who are owned by unionists.
Scotland needs a free press able to express the wishes of50% of the population at least and in terms of social democracy around 80%. Not 99% owned by brexiters/unionist/ tories owned by tax avoiders from foreign lands.
For your viewing pleasure:
Wee Black Book – The Movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YwmOCqNxGU
GALLAS – The 40 Year Fleecing of Scotland’s Oil Wealth by Westminster
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP2LnW2vsdw
Share fare n wide folks.
Educate, Agitate, #*CK the British State
I believe it is my fault that Robert Peffers has stopped posting and if it is it makes me very sad indeed.
I put up a post about ignoring trolls that Robert took exception too and called me “bloody stupid” to which I took exception too and said I would ignore him if he called me that again.
I did not use foul language or call him similar names, I asked that he desist from doing that to me or anyone else.
I feel guilty now but I was doing exactly what I would do with anyone other poster that gives me grief on Wings and there have been plenty, I was sticking up for myself because I did not believe I was “bloody stupid”.
I too wish to see Robert post again and if I upset you and caused you to leave Wings then please accept a sincere apology.
This has put me off posting on Wings as well as you do feel so bad after such a fall out, so I can understand how Robert might feel.
I hope to read your posts again Robert.
Question for Mr Peffers. Is it true that the Treaty of Union specifically stated the creation of a written constitution upon the creation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain? If so then that clearly hasn;t happened and is surely a breach of the Treaty and possible grounds to nullify it? Value your thoughts on this would be great.
Ta.
Goods (papers WH Smith and others retailers) are supposed to be ordered through the till. Once they are sold out. The order keeps on being increased. That is how they market all main retailed goods. From experience certainly can’t get after noon, in most outlets where they are stocks,
People can access the website. This brings revenues for any adverts and adverts in the paper. It takes a while to increase custom as sales go up.
There will not be any waste, as no copies will be put put back. No printing waste equals less financial layout and expense. To take up any profits. A leaner undertaking. The website has moved up the rating. Now above British rail but still behind the (National) lottery. At least opening up the gives a better balance. Less negativity more openness in discussion etc. Some really good front covers. It’s quite nice not to be constantly confronted by negative stories. Even though readers do not agree with all of it.
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Good on ye Thpnr. Ah think it was crossed wires, not tae excuse Robert but he has a ‘turn of phrase’ reminiscent of ma grans and ah think it doesn’t ‘translate’ intae the written medium at all well?
Ah genuinely don’t think he means people are ‘bloody stupid” he utilises people’s posts tae bounce off…that’s ma own reading of the ‘style’ of his input.
The only ‘point’ he was making that evening was that ‘we’ can’t decide who’s a troll, his logic was impeccable Alex, but the ‘tone’ unfortunately ‘triggered’ the emotions?
I’m glad you’re posting again, now we just huv tae get Robert tae get his erse intae gear!
C’mon the Peffers! 🙂
K1 @ 16:11:
Yes, this is what the remaining “soft-no’s” don’t seem to get yet. So far they have been sheltering against the storm under the SG’s umbrella, whining about the drops that inevitably come through, but the Mayhem Gang brook no opposition and are clearly intent on snatching away even the flimsy protection against them that we currently possess.
When the Brexiteers talked about “taking back control”, some of us at least could see that they were not only referring to the EU. We are also right in their firing line, but – surprise, surprise! – they prefer to deal with us once they have recovered from the severe bruising they are about to receive at the hands of a much more powerful EU. Unfortunately there are still indy supporters who misguidedly think that waiting until London has regained the initiative is somehow a cunning plan.
How anyone could conceive of another unfolding situation more conducive to independence mystifies me.
We’re like a grumbling crew on the cusp of mutiny; we’ll be pacified by all sorts of sweet talk at first, but if we’re foolish enough to allow the situation to stabilise, we’ll promptly be thrown into chains and punished as ingrates and miscreants.
There’s only going back from here or going forward. I choose to go forward.
Thepnr says:
1 April, 2017 at 4:33 pm
I believe it is my fault that Robert Peffers has stopped posting and if it is it makes me very sad indeed.
Makes me sad as well Roberts posts were informative and an important asset to our cause but it wasn’t your fault you were right to call him out for his high handed and condescending attitude to you because he disagreed with you he did the same to me and he’s don’e it to others, we can’t all have his knowledge of history that doesn’t make anybody stupid.
I hope Robert comes back because we need him and in spite of the above I have the highest respect for him but I think he should show others the same respect
Graeme
I’m sure Robert will post again when he has something pertinent to say. Hope so anyway. With all the constitutional argy bargy that’s descending on us we need somebody to keep us right.
Speaking for myself I primarily read this site to gain an education that few others offer. I consider the absence of Robert Peffers as a personal loss. Haste ye back man!
Re : The National.
My concern is that AFAICT its sub-edited in the same place by the same people as The Herald/Evening Times etc.
That place is Cardiff, not Glasgow. Sub-editors work to guidelines set by (group) management. Push comes to shove & I reckon it’ll be a different narrative coming from The National.
I’m quite prepared to accept I may well be cynical and/or paranoiac about this 🙂
However Bella (who did a lot to cost the SNP a majority in 2016) and the mystery injection of (lots of) money to “save” Bella is enough to put me off.
I’m not going to trust anything Mike Small & his coterie are involved in. End of story.
Hopefully that goes some way to explaining why some of us are dubious about The National.
Don’t let it put you off buying/supporting it, but please don’t just assume those of us who are dubious of it are mad. Some of us maybe 🙂 however some of us have serious qualms about Gannet/Newsquest & The National but hope we’re wrong.
Craig Murray is a must read on Gibraltar.
And here is a lovely quote from the HM Government of Gibraltar page
http://archive.is/9I2Eq
as to why you might want to set up there.
” Legislation is in place to encourage High Net Worth Individuals (HNWIs) and High Executives Possessing Specialist Skills (HEPSS) to establish tax residency in Gibraltar, affording them the opportunity to have the tax payable on their income restricted to a capped amount. ”
Well, I’ll just go and pack my bags.
This denigration of The National is like self harm.
Yes is a ‘broad church’ – oh but I don’t like that National.
If The National was genuine they would have our Rev in it. National then has the Rev in it.
Oh, the stakes have never been higher – but I don’t buy the National, or nor should anyone.
There are a number on the Yes side, I’m not all that fond of, or aren’t my preferred reading, but guess what, I don’t feel the need to keep sharing that picky, personal view on the most widely read blog of the movement.
I consider there could be undecided lurkers or trouble makers reading this blog, paid and unpaid, looking for help or mischief, and people are helping the unionists make their case.
Just ignore the paper that genuinely, publicly, repeatedly supports an independent Scotland. You don’t have to buy it, but why on earth slag it?
I don’t slag off other Indy sites, they might just appeal or draw others to them.
Please think about the impact of your actions. This is not some backwater you are posting on.
I’m also hoping Robert Peffers writes again soon, we sorely miss him – his were always the first posts I looked for, as you were sure of well researched info.
Quite a giant among Scottish historians, IMHO, – haste ye back, Robert.
The last thing we need at this critical time is the loss of his input due to petty squabbles.
@thepnr
Good comment. We’re all Jock Tamson,s bairns and we need you and Robert Peffers on here commenting.
Come on Robert!
I regularly read people on this site asking why we don’t fund a TV station, a radio station, buy out the Scotsman or some such stuff. Really? We have our own slice of the media and it struggles for more readers. I have bought the National every day i’m in the country since it started – it’s content has improved remarkably and has some great contributions from very good writers. I struggle to recognize the problems referred to on this blog unless detractors want a propaganda sheet – I don’t! We get really good coverage of what we all, on this site, hopefully aspire to. If you can afford to please support the National – it’s all we’ve got. It appears odd to me that it’s biggest critic on here has said he doesn’t read any newspaper! I hope Robert Peffers has not been driven from these pages. His history lessons have been amazingly informative, especially to someone like me who spent most of his schooling in English schools and couldn’t have distinguished Culloden from Cowdenbeath. Come back Robert you are one of our top men and we need you. My thanks and respect also to the Rev for his brilliant dissection of the rubbish that passes for media in that “greatest of all unions”!
@Valerie
Totally agree!
Now this explains the furore over Gibraltar.
http://archive.is/uyvpc
Now anybody know how to find who is pretending to be Gibraltarian for tax purposes.
I kinda wish / hope Robert Peffers would start up his own blog.
It must be frustrating to write out the same stuff over and over again, but it’s such very rich information, and Roberts knowledge of it seems forensic.
I know I have learned a tremendous lot from MrPeffers comments, and not just colourful snapshots, but game changing fundamental discrepancies in the way we are governed; why certain things are the way they are. I never knew the significance of Scotland’s popular sovereignty, and the ramifications of what that actually means, but thanks heavens I know about it now.
Look around the internet. It’s very rare indeed to find and access any of that information, whereas Mr Peffers could put his cross hairs right on the spot.
I don’t know if there’s a way to help Mr Peffers get a blog of his own set up, but I know I would consider it a valuable resource for the whole of Scotland to have at its fingertips, especially in these times.
What say you Mr Peffers? I am sure there are folks here who can help with the technical side of doing it. In every sense, knowledge is power, and this knowledge is very powerful indeed, since it pulls the rug out from under Westminster’s feet and their Parliamentary sovereignty claptrap. Once knowledge of the truth is shared amongst ourselves, and spread to others, I feel sure it strengthens our hand tremendously.
Credit where it’s due Robert, in my humble opinion your impressive knowledge deserves a greater platform than below the line comments on another blog. Get your vast wealth of knowledge accessible to us all so we can share it, link it, refer people to it.
Make it a formal project, a full constitutional history blog. We need it.
Well said Threpn,
I too had a rather mild disagreement with RPeffers recently, though no offensive language was used. Fact is minor disagreements will happen occasionally, but I would also say RPeffers should come back if he can.
I have high regard for his comments, and knowledge.
It is rare I disagree, but as a gay person, I won’t let comments regarding that simply pass.
And, talking of which, Thanks to K1 for highlighting the homophobic comments of Blair Paterson for all to see.
It’s the 21st century folks, and the days of such comments being acceptable are long gone. We can do without knuckledraggers.
Breaking news just in!!!
Downing street have confirmed Theresa May has been arrested at the chelsea flower show after streaking through the displays.
They had to eject her , but no before she won the award for the best dried bush arrangement.
More on this story later……
The suggestions for Peffers to setup a website are good, provided he wants to and (I suspect) someone will help.
Roobert’s posts, while informative were walls of text & I suspect few people read each and every one from start to finish.
I know I skipped a few myself 🙂 Don’t think I ever commented on them though.
I suspect that’s part of what got him annoyed with people not reading, then commenting. That in turn provoked reactions from people who HAD read his posts and so it all begins.
Frankly I’d prefer a site where people could link to/look at the relevant historical/legal information rather than Peffers doing it all again every time. It’d be a useful resource & would probably save his sanity as he wouldn’t have to explain it all again…and again…. 😉
I have to agree with all of you who miss Robert Peffers, I miss him too.
Thepnr has been decent enough to apologise, so what say you Robert. With the Maybot in her very intransigent mode re Scotland we need you more than ever. What are Nicola’s options with regard to our sovereignty, what about the referendum etc? You have all this knowledge to help the rest of us, so what dae ye say.
Come on auld Bob, come back and talk tae us. Please.
I would like to see some articles written by Robert for this site which could then form a permanent archive for future reference. Then he wouldn’t have to write them all out every time someone clearly misunderstands the constitutional reality.
Themes:
Is Scotland a country?
Are Scots sovereign?
Is the Treaty of Union valid?
How do we get out of here?
I’m sure everyone can suggest questions that need answers.
Brilliant cartoon Chris, encapsulates the last week in an instant.
Simply superb!
Regards Mr R Peffers.
I am assuming Bob has a few more years on the clock than my 64.
Has anyone or is anyone able to check he is still ok health wise?
Hopefully he will respond to this genuine concern even if he feels he does not want to post at the moment.
Regards INDEPENDENT
Like many posts on here I will add my tuppence worth,
Mr Peffers you are sorely missed, at the end of the day we all sing from the same hymn sheet on this site, we all have days where the constant negativity from the Empire media could easily drive us to smashing up the keyboard, but we are much better than that, although it can be easy to snap at comments. I think we have the biggest battle ahead, who knows what will be thrown at the Indy2 cause, “we have an idea right enough” but we need the likes of Mr Peffers feeding us his knowledge.
The Gallas youtube vid mentioned above is a gem.
Also for other “wall of text” people (Ken500, looking at you matey 🙂 ) then you have to understand that you can’t write an essay every time BTL.
If you do then many/most people won’t read it properly.
They’ll simply skim it & most of the time think “same old same old” & move on. If you post walls of text regularly which are much the same each time they’ll just scroll past you regardless of what you’re saying.
Got something to say which requires more than 4 paragraphs? Write an article & give it to Stu. Given his background expect some fairly brutal editing/advice but there you go, you’ll learn & we’ll all benefit.
Good to see that you all miss Mr Peffers , I do too but I am amore concerned that it might be his health which is preventing him from commenting ad not just a wee tid.
Independent@6.22
I was thinking that myself.
Now this is something you aught to watch if your interested on sensible discussion about Brexit. The event happened on 29th March say day as May sent her Brexit letter.
It is an long but in my opinion that’s an hour too short, it really is that good. I know only the diehards will watch for an hour but if you want to educate yourself on Brexit then don’t miss this.
Question Time x 100 and how that should be.
It was filmed as a live stream at the offices of Brodies LLP – Scottish Solicitors in Glasgow.
‘Brexit: Scotland’s Constitutional Future’ Panel:
Michael Russell MSP, Minister for UK Negotiations on Scotland’s Place in Europe
Jackson Carlaw MSP, Scottish Conservative Deputy Leader
John Curtice, Professor of Politics, Strathclyde University
Dr Kirsty Hughes, Senior Fellow at Friends of Europe
And event Chair, John Boothman, Political Correspondent, The Sunday Times Scotland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmT0ECfjlE4&feature=youtu.be
@Valerie 5:25 pm :
“I don’t slag off other Indy sites, they might just appeal or draw others to them.
Please think about the impact of your actions. This is not some backwater you are posting on.”
Shame Bella/CommonSpace didn’t do that in 2016 when they deliberately split the vote mmm?
If they had then the SNP would have had a majority and we wouldn’t be having any of this “no demand, no mandate” stuff.
So with the greatest of respect NOBODY on the indy side should trust Bella/Mike Small. Don’t treat us like we’re fucking idiots thanks, we remember last year, we’re not senile (yet)….
Vestas
Not senile but pretty rude.
Come on, Wingers – “Divide and rule”, eh? And if Alex Salmond trusts The National, as an earlier poster reminded us, who are we to doubt to the extent of arguing amongst ourselves?
I too hope that Mr Peffers is well.
Vestas@6pm
I don’t agree about Robert Peffers comments. I always read them and made copies of lots of them and they are in my notes. I refer to them all the time and they give me great ammunition when debating with NO voters.
@Hamish100 7:01 pm :
“Vestas
Not senile but pretty rude.”
Indeed and for that I apologise.
I’m just not going to stand for this “broad church” nonsense when Bella/CommonSpace basically traduced people like James Kelly (Scot Goes Pop) last year over a series of months.
In fact they both used to have links on here. No more though.
They can take their “broad church” & shove it as far as I’m concerned. I’ll stick with people I can trust.
Oh and Cat Boyd pontificating on Brexit (and getting paid for it) is beyond parody given she couldn’t even be bothered to vote in the EU ref.
See why I wonder….?
@Flower of Scotland 7:10 pm :
“Vestas@6pm
I don’t agree about Robert Peffers comments. I always read them”
No offence but I bet you didn’t. You kept copies of stuff he’d written & you’d be unusual if you didn’t “skim” stuff which was much the same as you had stored and read before.
This is why it’d be better (as others suggested) as a blog – with extensive indexing 🙂
Anyway walls of text don’t really work BTL. They work better ATL as an article. People seem to have plenty to say, I’m sure Stu would welcome some (relatively sane) articles?
I know we got a brief mention in a motion by MEPs the other day but it would be really useful if they said they won’t endorse brexit until Scotland has a chance to clarify its constitutional choice via #scotref.
It might happen, maybe it’s planned in.
mebee stu is too busy at the moment, writing another article for the ………um……national 🙂
Vestas says:
1 April, 2017 at 7:22 pm
@Flower of Scotland 7:10 pm :
“Vestas@6pm
Why are you telling people to get off WoS btl? I read almost everything btl, bar trolls, if you dont that’s fine.
Its an odd thing to do, as in telling commentators like Ken500 to cut back or go somewhere else, as if they don’t anyway but such is the bizzaro world of Scottish politics today, at any and all levels 😀
Flower of Scotland said:
1 April, 2017 at 10:35 am
I’m just bewildered by the attitude of “But That’s Not Fair!” coming from down south.
What did those numpties who wanted Brexit THINK was going to happen? that Europe was just going to say – ‘Oh, ok then, bye.’? and wave them off at the station?
It’s like taking a tin opener to a big can labelled ‘Worms’ and being surprised it’s not full of Jaffa Cakes.
Idiots.
Vestas.
I tend to agree with you. Large screeds BTL again and again on the familiar theme of anyone’s pet notions isn’t for me. I just scroll right past most of suchlike now. Maybe if there was a nugget of something new in there I would miss it, whereas if it were a post in its own right, it would be worthwhile.
I guess if there was someplace where eg. a suitably comprehensive article (or articles) on constitutional theory could be archived, that might be a useful reference for anyone who needed it.
Bella, even? =grin=
OT saw this on WoS Twitter …
http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/shabby-labour-fails-again-on-disability-rights-after-abstaining-on-pip-cuts-vote/
The Tories are a bunch of elitist self centred bastards looking after the their own backers and interest groups. They are fairly open about it. It’s almost honest, in a perverse way.
Labour, on the other hand, pretend to be a party who care about people, all people. It’s bollocks, they are worse than the Tories, and that is saying something.
We in Scotland have our own particular issues with their behaviour, but the more you read, the more you realise they are like this UK wide. They have become a total bunch of political charlatans. No principles, just looking after themselves.
For what it is worth I have praised some of Robert Peffers posts, and I have also been on the receiving end of some.
I can’t imagine him getting upset by a few words on a computer screen. He’s a big boy, and I am sure he will post when he can or decides to. Can we give the man some space for now.
@heedtracker 7:33 pm :
“Why are you telling people to get off WoS btl?”
I’m not.
I’m advising them that regular walls of text don’t get read after a while, even if those walls of text turn out to be different.
You can disagree if you want but there’s a reason the tl;dr meme came into place.
If you want to put up regular walls of text then a blog is probably the best place?
YMMV of course.
As things turned out there were more votes for the SNP and Greens combined on the regional vote than on the constituency. That kind of shows that some Green supporters simply weren’t going to vote for the SNP.
Also as things turned out we now have a second vote for a referendum backed by two parties with a combined total higher of votes higher than that of all other parties and more closely proportional than the previous Holyrood parliament.
Whereas previously there might have been a slight justification for claiming a vote was forced through in the sense that no combination of other parties could oppose it this time that’s simply not the case.
I’m not saying that pushing as many alternatives to the SNP didn’t have risks. Fortunately it looks as though most voters on the Indy side only split SNP/Green. A full analysis might be interesting.
I’d hazard a guess at some Labour voters going for Conservative on the list whilst Conservatives went UKIP or possibly UKIP support went to Conservatives. You might even have tactical votes for Labour in a constituency they might win. End result is that quite a few who supported Labour, or Lib Dem might have been over optimistic in voting Conservative at list level assuming their party was going to win at constituency.
As it is I’d say we have a Holyrood result with a far more disproportionate distribution of unionists than of nationalists but still more representative of the votes cast and with a far higher legitimacy for a referendum than if the SNP had managed a repeat of their freakishly good fortune in gaining an outright majority.
Sign of the times. New York Times to be precise. Great to see the world taking such an interest in Scotland.
http://archive.is/NoFnp
@Vestas
I’m not treating anyone like idiots, just stating my opinion on what’s happening. As for your childish Mike Small and B.C. stuff, thanks for making my point for me.
Internal bile and sniping, cos that is going to work out well for us. I’m a member of SNP, and have worked very hard, so I’m as angry as anyone, about what happened at last Holyrood elections.
However, how does it make sense to hand that ammo in your post, and its in the past now, to those seeking division?
As for your remarks about the National, do some research, instead of quoting an Editor based in Cardiff as a smoking gun. Pretty shabby rationale for an industry based on electronic comms. Andrew Learmonth is a prolific contributor, and is based in Glasgow, and as I’ve already stated, all the other contributors, Michael Gray, Pat Kane, Ginger Dug and so on.
Beats me what you have against this highly talented, Indy supporting writers.
Dorothy Devine at 3.49
Our R S McColl’s in Dunoon was the same. The National was hidden on the bottom shelf under the fishing magazines etc. I complained tothe staff. They said that was here they had been told to put it. I eventually got through to R S McColl head office in ENGLAND and they conformed that that was where the staff had been told to put it – and that that would continue to be the instruction. I don’t shop in R S McColl anymore
@schrodingers cat 7:32 pm :
“mebee stu is too busy at the moment, writing another article for the ………um……national ?”
I know his views diverge from mine on the subject of The National 🙂
I hope he’s right & I’m wrong. Not going to rehash stuff already said…
In case anybody thinks that postings from contributors can become repetative, may I remind you that more and more people are reading Wings every month. The Revs traffic figures are increasing, and many will not have learned as yet what we have learned from viewing this site and its many expert contributors.
Sometimes we get too wrapped up in our own opinion and attach too much importance to what we think is suitable.
England is famous for uniting behind idiots
Scotland is famous for not uniting against idiots
Just a wee thought!
@Valerie 8:28 pm :
“do some research, instead of quoting an Editor based in Cardiff as a smoking gun”
You don’t understand what a sub-editor is then?
Its nothing to do with who contributes to the paper, its the way the overall presentation goes.
So for example instead of “Davidson caught lying” you might get “Ruth Davidson clarifies statement” as the headline and the article gets cut a bit short. The people who wrote the article have NO SAY how its presented, group management decides.
That’s sub-editing – and its much more prevalent online (which I suppose helps The National’s case as its very rarely updated online).
I stand by what I said about Bella/Small.
For those of you who want to support The National then I wish you well. I hope you’re right & I’m wrong.
Vestas at 5.23
The editorial team at the national are entirely independent of any other publication. Gannet/Newsquest publishes hundreds of newspaper and magazines across the UK and the USA. That is what they do.They print. They don’t edit. They don’t write them. They don’t subsidise any of it. It has to pay for itself. That is all.
The newspaper distributors take around 50% of the cover price of all newspapers for distribution services
You must be “bloody stupid” if you are offering a “sincere apology” to someone who called you “bloody stupid”.
Thepnr,
“I believe it is my fault that Robert Peffers has stopped posting and if it is it makes me very sad indeed.
I put up a post about ignoring trolls that Robert took exception too and called me “bloody stupid” to which I took exception too and said I would ignore him if he called me that again.
I did not use foul language or call him similar names, I asked that he desist from doing that to me or anyone else.
I feel guilty now but I was doing exactly what I would do with anyone other poster that gives me grief on Wings and there have been plenty, I was sticking up for myself because I did not believe I was “bloody stupid”.
I too wish to see Robert post again and if I upset you and caused you to leave Wings then please accept a sincere apology.
This has put me off posting on Wings as well as you do feel so bad after such a fall out, so I can understand how Robert might feel.
I hope to read your posts again Robert.”
I hear you, Dr Jim. I will heed you. I’ve said my piece, and I’m sure my annoyance is clear, so I will desist.
Vestas at 7.11
“See why I wonder….?”
No, I dont.
But perhaps only your opinions are worth publishing.
And here’s me thinking that through the history of politics over the past 50 years or more, it was only those ideologues on the far left that always ended up squabbling amongst themselves to the detriment of achieving their aims and then failing to convince others (in this context perhaps new visitors to this site) of the merits of their cause.
Let’s not allow the virus of (unnecessary) division to take hold and spread! If the vote in an indyref2 is going to be close – and I’m afraid it may be – let’s build bridges and work towards concensus on the big, key issues around achieving independence rather than take up entrenched positions on policy details, tactics or style of communication. I am happy to be part of a ‘movement’ with diverse views but with a shared goal.
Re The National:
I just wish they employed better proofreaders.
A caption to one photo in yesterday’s issue said that George Elliot wrote the 39 Steps.
and on Page 2
“The development came amid increasingly tensions between the First Minister and the Prime Minister…”
@ Liam
I think they may be trying to out-Graun the Gruniad.
They did get the George Eliot/John Buchan opuses correct in the text; I was on the verge of e-mailing them about it, but having done that quite a lot in the early days, I’ve concluded it won’t change anything.
@Dave McEwan Hill 8:53 pm :
“Vestas at 7.11
“See why I wonder….?”
No, I dont.
But perhaps only your opinions are worth publishing.”
None of my opinions are worth publishing, I’m not a writer, nor do I purport to be one.
However given you quoted the section of a post which referenced Cat Boyd and her “couldn’t be bothered to vote” on the EU, maybe you ought to consider whether the opinions of someone who couldn’t get off her backside to vote are worth listening to – on Europe of course.
I have no doubt she has many profound things to say on other matters which she does consider worthy of her vote.
She, unlike me, does purport to be a writer.
Surely only a Unionist Troll would be so aggressively against The National.
I am no mad supporter of the National, But it is our ONLY friend in the printed media world.
I would rather have it than not have it. And I go out of my way to spread it about the newspaper shelves when ever I can.
I have said it before, trolls have infiltrated Wings and there sole purpose is to upset the positive Indy message that Wings is world famous for.
What Valerie & Dave said!!!
Dave McEwan Hill,
“Our R S McColl’s in Dunoon was the same. The National was hidden on the bottom shelf under the fishing magazines etc. I complained tothe staff. They said that was here they had been told to put it. I eventually got through to R S McColl head office in ENGLAND and they conformed that that was where the staff had been told to put it – and that that would continue to be the instruction. I don’t shop in R S McColl anymore”
It seems every major newsagent in the country is under instructions to hide The National.
The publishers of The National are a major and influential company.
Do you seriously believe they have tolerated such hiding despite sales falling to 8,000?
In my humble opinion, the publishers of The National, who also happen to publish The Herald, only want definite Yes voters to buy it.
They know that gullible independence supporters will search for them and buy them even if they are hidden.
But they don’t want unionists to notice or buy them. In case they might be tempted to change from No to Yes.
It is the publishers of The National who have given the instructions to keep The National hidden.
Craig Murray telling it like it is on Gibraltar.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/04/gibraltar-tax-haven-not-nation/
From,
Vestas says:
1 April, 2017 at 8:24 pm
@heedtracker 7:33 pm :
“Why are you telling people to get off WoS btl?”
I’m not.
to,
If you want to put up regular walls of text then a blog is probably the best place?
Just because all you see is regular walls of text, etc etc.
You shouldn’t be telling people what they can and cant say, btl WoS, is all.
Unless ofcourse, its on the Wings over Vestas blog, then you can be the decider:D
WOS archive links now showing over on O/T.
LOL and goodnight.
@heedtracker 9:08 pm :
“You shouldn’t be telling people what they can and cant say, btl WoS, is all.
Unless ofcourse, its on the Wings over Vestas blog, then you can be the decider:D”
Fair comment matey, but I bet under 10% of the people here read the regular walls of text from some. After you’re read a few then the overlap between one wall of text and the next becomes too much, then you get people pulling them up (like Ken500 recently about some green stuff? & whatever went on with Peffers).
Better ways of getting your message across IMHO.
You’re spot on though, not my call to make 🙂
Vestas,
“None of my opinions are worth publishing, I’m not a writer, nor do I purport to be one.”
Any of Robert Peffers’ sycophants wondering why the greatest legal and historical expert ever in Scotland has not published a book on the “sovereignty” of the Scots?
I hope he is finishing one off now and will publish it very soon.
OT – defence
“Singapore planning to base F-15 squadron in New Zealand”
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/singapore-planning-base-f-15-squadron-new-zealand/
This helps Singapore train in uncluttered airspace, and gives NZ some fighter cover – it has none at present. In other news the UK is basing 4 Typhoons from Coningsby 3 Sqn in Romania, but more than that there will be the logistics and forward support already in place.
The significance of this for us, is that Lossie which has 3 Sqns of Typhoons will this year have 4 – perhaps 3 Sqn from Coningsby which I think has the same original Tranche 1 a/c which makes sense if spares are different from the Tranche 3 – though all T1s have been upgraded to T3 / FGR4, so that might not be a problem.
The thing is I think after the YES vote, defence negotiations should very quickly be put in the hands of defence people NOT politicians from the rUK and Scotland.
The first problem mainly for the rUK is that Scotland would be able to afford 1 Sqn of Typhoons, but Lossie is the front-line for UK airspace interception and interdiction. So it would make sense (to me being defence minded) for continued basing of all 4 Sqns at Lossie for certainly a transition time, and perhaps longer on a co-basing basis, plus continued use of the virtual bombing range at Tain and live at Cape Wrath for their swing role function. Because if Scotland is “overrun” England is just over the border.
The second problem is ours. One squadron of Typhoons is relatively useless without the likes of QRA control and communication which is mainly at RAF Boulmer, near Alnwick. And that would be expensive and time-consuming for us to reproduce. It’s to be used for the use of those 4 Typhoons going to Romania – Air Surveillance and Control System (ASACS). And of course that operation is under NATO’s Integrated Air and Missile Defence System and for NATO nations that do not have the necessary air capabilities, agreements exist to ensure a standard of airspace security.
So there you go, there will be a lot of sabre-rattling and painful sword-swallowing after a YES vote, the question is – will common sense prevail?
That video from Brodie’s LLP solicitors should be widely disseminated if only to watch Carlaw do an embarrassing party political bullshit roundup (can only be viewed as: their crapping it) at the end of what was a thoroughly balanced discussion on what was on the 29th March (when the event took place) the current state of play.
Gibraltar and the lunatics braying ‘it isnae fair’ from Westminster has superseded even Wednesday’s ‘current’ political situation in grande brittania.
Thanks Thpnr @6.29pm
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=wmT0ECfjlE4
Rock says:
1 April, 2017 at 9:15 pm
Vestas,
You’ve been sucked into Rock’s little world of getting all Scots politics off anything remotely pertinent or even interesting btl WoS and then we have lots of comments about a single newspaper out of 40, is it good, bad, a cunning plot to bring down YES Scotland?
Clever boy Rock.
Hey Rock, who’s your SNP MP, what do you make of him or her, what are the issues that make you a YESer?
You’ve never once said anything remotely pro SNP or Green at all, why is that?
etc:D
Thepnr that session at 6.29 was pretty informative.
Curtice was a bit annoying with his attempt at balance and Carlaw tried but could not change his spots
In all my years I never knew that Scotland’s people were sovereign,until I read the posts of Robert Peffers
Take the break now Robert if that is what you need, but there is some heavy lifting coming and we will need you
I’m quite sure you all see clearly the shite we have to put up with on Wings articles from posters that I certainly don’t welcome.
Hence my troll post, would anyone seriously disagree?
heedtracker,
“You shouldn’t be telling people what they can and cant say, btl WoS, is all.”
Except that the likes of you use the “T” word against anyone who dares to post a point of view you don’t agree with but are unable to counter.
heedtracker,
31 March, 2017 at 12:14 am
“You’ve had it in Mr Peffers from the word go, you great pompous trolling arse.”
Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela….can anybody else think of other examples which will help put smiles back on our faces this evening? Things seem a bit tense BTL this evening which is a shame.
I’ve been enjoying the National of late. They alone, of all newspapers have covered recent events from a pro- indy perspective, and even had that picture of the First Minister of Scotland penning the letter to Theresa May in London on the front page.
There are some places that still hide the National, but I have found that many more now have it with their regular newspapers. Today, I found it in one national chain right beside the till. You could not miss it.
So, I don’t think their is a conspiracy by the publishers to deliberately have it hidden, such is the stuff of madness. I mean seriously, a global business going to the lengths of creating a newspaper, just to hide it from buyers, FFS? Just some moronic retailers, it seems.
No newspaper is perfect, but The National, does have people like Greg Moodie, Lesley Riddoch, Nichola Sturgeon, Paul Kavanagh (wee ginger dug) and of course a certain Alex Salmond as contributors, so as far as pro indy goes, it has pretty good credentials. I certainly know Alex Salmond would not have written for it, or some of the others, if it were just a big scam to fool indy supporters – as some on here try to tell us.
Besides, I find that a lot of the articles, are very in-depth, and really inform as to what is happening within Scotland and the independence debate.
My views may change, if their editorial line changes, but right now, it is the best we have in Scotland.
Just for the record, I don’t have any links with the paper.
heedtracker,
“You’ve never once said anything remotely pro SNP or Green at all, why is that?”
Except this, many, many times:
“Vote SNP+SNP+SNP until after independence.”
Complete ignoral is the best policy IMO.
“Vote SNP+SNP+SNP until after independence.”
OK! we’re off your usual, “we hate the National and Mr Peffers too” ranting.
So what’s your main reasons for wanting Scottish independence Rock and what are your favourite SNP policies?
Thepnr
Thanks for posting the video. I see the Rock from Gibraltar is back.?
Thepnr,
“I’m quite sure you all see clearly the shite we have to put up with on Wings articles from posters that I certainly don’t welcome.
Hence my troll post, would anyone seriously disagree?”
Only apparently the most respected poster on this site:
Robert Peffers says:
27 March, 2017 at 7:40 pm
“Oh! For the Heaven’s sake stop being so bloody stupid. First of all you are not the person who decides what the purpose of the Rev Stu’s blog is. That’s the Rev Stu’s choice to make. Secondly you probably wouldn’t recognise a real Troll if it was chewing on your ear.”
And you are offering him a “sincere apology” for having said that!
“Vote SNP+SNP+SNP until after independence.”
Hey Rock where do you stand on Scottish currency, sorry for the walls of text too Vestas,
John Alexander Smith, writing for Bella Caledonia today, suggests that: “An independent currency allows Scotland to have more control over its economy.
This means more control over what the Scottish government can spend on and invest in. It means the ability to better deal with changes in how much Scotland buys from and sells to the rest of the world.
It would also allow Scotland to set the interest rate that is most suitable for the Scottish economy. This would also give Scotland more control over what type of economy it wants to have.
Controlling your own currency also allows you decide how to deal with global economic problems like the banking crisis of 2008.
An independent currency would allow Scotland to respond to such events in the way that is best for Scotland, it would free Scotland to pursue the policies it deemed most appropriate, an example is People’s Quantitative Easing.
Me put para’s in there Rock.
Thepnr, at 927pm,
I heartily agree. Still the best policy is always to never feed them, talk around and over them. They are akin to an irritating fly at an outdoor barbecue.
In related matters, I am Somewhat looking forward to Theresa May rejecting the letter requesting a section 30 order from the First Minister of Scotland. It really will help our cause a great deal.
Then we have the Spanish veto – you know the one that actually never existed in relation to Scotland but now really, really does exist in relation to Westminster and Gibraltar. The machinations of the unionist nutters are truly remarkable. They were happy to see a veto against Scotland (though it never existed) but now it REALLY applies to them, they scream and stamp their feet like weans.
The REAL Spanish veto is very Well covered by the wee ginger dug, as he puts it “Petard, by, hoist, own, your. Arrange these words into a well known phrase or saying.”
https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2017/03/31/the-spanish-word-for-schadenfreude/
Interesting times.
Robert Louis,
“So, I don’t think their is a conspiracy by the publishers to deliberately have it hidden, such is the stuff of madness. I mean seriously, a global business going to the lengths of creating a newspaper, just to hide it from buyers, FFS? Just some moronic retailers, it seems.”
Seriously, “moronic retailers” hiding stuff they are selling?
I see Craig Murray has a new and rather excellent piece up regarding the REAL Spanish veto over Gibraltar. I know some people above have linked to it earlier, but for those who haven’t read it, here is the link again.
Basically, Gibraltar is just one big tax haven (who’d have guessed). It’s probably where the likes of Boris the clown Theresa May and Farage keep their stash.
LINK: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/04/gibraltar-tax-haven-not-nation/
heedtracker,
“You’ve never once said anything remotely pro SNP or Green at all, why is that?”
Except this, many, many times:
“Vote SNP+SNP+SNP until after independence.”
I answered your question and made you look like a fool.
(I had answered it on a previous post as well)
Stop making more of a fool of yourself.
For once, make a coherent post.
Sad and angry to hear a young Kurdish lad is fighting for his life after being attacked by 8 English yobs in Croydon.
My dad was in Iraq during WW2, and while it may not be politically correct to say so nowadays, he didn’t think very highly of the Arabs, who would rob you blind in a heartbeat he said. He was RAF. The exception to the rule however were the Kurds, who my dad thought very highly of.
I wonder if the Express Newspaper, Siobhan McFadyen, Farage, and whatseherface Katy Hopkins are pleased with themselves and their agitation of the English knuckle dragging cowards who needed an excuse to pick on vulnerable people.
We shouldn’t be complacent however. If these creatures are allowed to spread their filthy propaganda unchecked in Scotland, we could expect similar things to happen here. What we have in Scotland is worth protecting from poisonous shit stirrers like the Express or Mail.
That’s almost three years since we had the first big WOS get-the-gither in The Counting House, Glasgow.
Is it just me, or does it seem much much longer-ago than that?
Puts the timing of the next indyref into perspective a wee bit – we’d best pace ourselves friends…it’s gonny be a long haul.
On a more positive note, there’s no way the usual Yoon suspects will make it that far. Not a chance. Kez/Slab will have imploded, Ruthy D will have snaffled a Home Counties BBCQT-loving seat via some by-election, and Wullie Rennie will be on a Restart programme doing Practical Interior Decoration.
And, for good measure, if all this political shenanigans is too serious, here is a video from comedy central re-tweeted by Revstu earlier in the week. Especially seeing as the real movie on which it is based is on telly today.
https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/847877982098268160
Marvellous!
I simply said to ignore the trolls. Here’s what the Rev says in his “rules for this site.
2. Play the ball, not the man (or woman).
And by all means disagree, by all means disagree forcefully – but argue with people’s views, don’t insult them personally. And that includes calling them “trolls” or implying they’re undercover Unionists. We’ll decide if someone’s trolling or not. But in the meantime, if you think they are, ignore them.
If you know what a “troll” is, then you’ll also know that getting you angry and talking about them, derailing the conversation off the subject, is exactly what they want.
Email us about suspected trolls if you want. But don’t engage them in debate if you doubt their motives, and DEFINITELY don’t engage in on-thread discussions about whether they’re a troll or not.
`Robert Peffers says:
1 April, 2017 at 8:03 pm
First of all, Wingers, allow me to put the record straight, I’ve not taken the hump at anyone and flounced of in the huff`,
posted on the `What the people want` post,
as usual he seems to be having internet issues.
I see sensibledave is using two of his alternative handles tonight.
Tip: starve the son-of-a-bitch to death.
Rock
You state “It is the publishers of The National who have given the instructions to keep The National hidden.”
Are you serious in this matter? Please give us proof or gie us all peace.
For someone so down on a paper you don’t read really shows you are just a wee troll
I buy the National. I don’t have problems finding it in our Co-op because it’s displayed along with all the other newspapers and the Daily Express.
Trolls aren’t a problem, we have plenty of bridges in Scotland, its the moles you need to worry about, at all levels.
“That’s almost three years since we had the first big WOS get-the-gither in The Counting House, Glasgow.”
You buyin’ at the next one, Ian?
Mine’s a small sherry btw.
“Vote SNP+SNP+SNP until after independence.”
I answered your question and made you look like a fool.
(I had answered it on a previous post as well)
Stop making more of a fool of yourself.
For once, make a coherent post.
OK, who’s your SNP MP and tell us how you think they’re doing, hardly any SNP MP’s get a mention in the news, I dont know that many at all, why is that Rock, or what are the issues of unionist rule in Scotland today that makes you a YESer, what do you hope to see Scotland achieve after indy? Is Brexit going make UK’s grip on Scotland tighten, as the Brexit economy contracts as it probably will, is Trident gone, post indy or Faslane leased out for it, for a decade maybe?
There are so many huge and fascinating issues about Scotland becoming a nation state again but a dingdong like you never seems to be interested, it just all about one newspaper out of 40 and ofcourse Mr Peffers.
Funny that Rock.
COME BACK Mr Peffers:D
Roboscot @ 1016pm,
Exactly. A Scotmid I use often, has the National very prominently displayed – and in a better position than some other papers.
We have another option!
https://dutchreview.com/news/international-news/scotland-netherlands-reach-brexit-agreement-annexation/
Every move you make (Peffers)
Every time you post
Every time you speak
Every time you leave
I’ll be watching you
Every word you write
I will call it shite
Every single day
I will copy and paste
Every utterence you make
Oh can’t you see
No one listens to me
How ma heid is fucked with your extensive knowledge of history
Every time you state
Scotland’s people are Sovereign
I will hunt you down
Cause I’m a fucking clown
Drowning in irrelevance
Since you’ve gone I been lost wi nuthin’ tae paste
I dream at night about ways that I can post
Aw ma grievances aboot you in this place
Another comment that shows ma disgrace
I keep crying like a wee wean…a wee wean…please…
Oh can’t you see…every move you make
I’ll be hunting you down…like a total fruitcake…
Singalonga folks…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOGaugKpzs
@Tinto Chiel –
Hey man, a *large* sherry, nae danger.
In my view Rock is one of the most passionate supporters of Independence that I have ever come across, if that makes him a troll, then I am more than happy with that.
Worth repeating and now I’ll stop, can’t afford to waste anymore time on this. Some things though you just need to get straight.
We’ll decide if someone’s trolling or not. But in the meantime, if you think they are, ignore them.
No opinion will ever be right or wrong, it’s an opinion. All of us are very different and will never agree 100% well so what?
That is our strength, we have different views and beliefs yet we all support the same goal and that is Independence. As far as I’m concerned only Independence matters, petty squabbles are an aside.
Best ignored and let’s keep our eyes on the prize.
Robert Louis says:
1 April, 2017 at 10:25 pm
Roboscot @ 1016pm,
Exactly. A Scotmid I use often, has the National very prominently displayed – and in a better position than some other papers.
There was only one National left today by teatime, in the Morison’s that Bliar MacDoughball shops at too, very well thumbed it was.
Ian B @10.30: excellent!
I’ll get the Quavers in.
Rock,
“For once, make a coherent post.”
heedtracker,
“OK, who’s your SNP MP and tell us how you think they’re doing, hardly any SNP MP’s get a mention in the news, I dont know that many at all, why is that Rock, or what are the issues of unionist rule in Scotland today that makes you a YESer, what do you hope to see Scotland achieve after indy? Is Brexit going make UK’s grip on Scotland tighten, as the Brexit economy contracts as it probably will, is Trident gone, post indy or Faslane leased out for it, for a decade maybe?”
“Coherent” I said.
Roboscot @ 22:16,
Yes, a very cute comment that. We could all do with a bit of lightening-up the noo…
One_Scot says:
1 April, 2017 at 10:33 pm
In my view Rock is one of the most passionate supporters of Independence that I have ever come across, if that makes him a troll, then I am more than happy with that.
And this is displayed by Rock’s endless ranting about the only remotely pro newspaper out of 40, monstering Mr Peffers, raging at Scots lawyers, and pushing around anyone what wont stop buying the above newspaper?
Maybe passion means something else in your neck of the woods.
@ Scot Finlayson – thanks for posting that Robert is OK but having internet problems. He’ll no doubt be along soon with plenty comment on the constitutional upheaval.
Irma says:
1 April, 2017 at 10:28 pm
Excellent.
Seriously, though, IMO we would be a damned sight better off attached to one of our European neighbours right now, than England!
Indy would be best, but failing that, how about merging with Denmark, Netherlands, or Norway?
One_Scot,
“In my view Rock is one of the most passionate supporters of Independence that I have ever come across, if that makes him a troll, then I am more than happy with that.”
Thank you.
Don’t respond to the attacks you will get very soon from the armchair pundits who use the “T” word against anyone who dares to challenge their points.
Unless you have a very strong hide, mind and heart!
ALERT ALERT ALERT.
Surprisingly BBC “national” TV news today has been carrying information of better IVF provision in Scotland than in England and how £1million extra has been put aside “by the Government” for further improvement . They did not say the “Scottish Government” and they carried a quote from the “Health Secretary” not the “Scottish Health Secretary “.
Am I being too cynical? If we get more of this I suspect the plan will be to imply that Scotland’s better NHS provision is because Westminster is giving the Scots extra money.
If you look hard enough on the BBC news site you will find that the facts reported that the NHS in Scotland is undoubtedly doing the best in the UK.
Ian Brotherhood says:
On a more positive note, there’s no way the usual Yoon suspects will make it that far. Not a chance. Kez/Slab will have imploded, Ruthy D will have snaffled a Home Counties BBCQT-loving seat via some by-election, and Wullie Rennie will be on a Restart programme doing Practical Interior Decoration.
Nah surely a typo in Wullie Rennie will be on a Restart programme doing Practical Interior Decoration., inferior.
Thepnr,
For some strange reason the “Ignore the Trolls” message isn’t getting through to everybody.
I am suspicious of anyone who constantly feeds the Trolls.
“Coherent” I said.
Well what is THE biggest issue for you about Scotland running Scotland Rock, there must be one?
Maybe you’d like to see Scots law reform?
Although you’ve never said why you are so angry at Scots Law as a profession.
I am suspicious of anyone who constantly feeds the Trolls.
That’s called paranoia.
Rock, don’t worry about me, I’ve been at this game a very long time.
Dave McEwan Hill,
“ALERT ALERT ALERT.
Surprisingly BBC “national” TV news today has been carrying information of better IVF provision in Scotland than in England and how £1million extra has been put aside “by the Government” for further improvement . They did not say the “Scottish Government” and they carried a quote from the “Health Secretary” not the “Scottish Health Secretary “.
Am I being too cynical? If we get more of this I suspect the plan will be to imply that Scotland’s better NHS provision is because Westminster is giving the Scots extra money.
If you look hard enough on the BBC news site you will find that the facts reported that the NHS in Scotland is undoubtedly doing the best in the UK.”
You could always ask your employer, the “independence supporting” The National, to run a front page headline story to put the record straight.
Ah wish we could aw facetime each other typing oan here sometimes….here’s me maist days..
http://media.photobucket.com/user/djdray92/media/gif/l_398e22c44cba45579f47aa8ed5cec3c8.gif.html?filters%5Bterm%5D=funny%20face%20gif&filters%5Bprimary%5D=images&sort=1&o=76
heedtracker,
“Well what is THE biggest issue for you about Scotland running Scotland Rock, there must be one?”
Scottish “plebs” getting real “sovereignty” for the first time ever, with solidly defined rights in a written constitution.
Not pretendy “sovereignty” not worth the paper it was written on.
“Although you’ve never said why you are so angry at Scots Law as a profession.”
What has Scots Law ever done about the numerous violations of the Treaty of Union in the last 310 years?
What is Scots Law and “Lawyers for Yes” doing about it right now?
@K1
Oh dear K1 that looked painful, glad to know your still alright 🙂
Aye “heedy”
One who constantly feeds the trolls.
caz-m says:
1 April, 2017 at 11:12 pm
Aye “heedy”
One who constantly feeds the trolls.
Yes I do know you’re having a pop. Who cares. Ego’s are like farts in the wind btl politics, much like “likes” are, in newspaper comment section.
There’s just so much more interesting stuff to look at. But lets all whine about our hurt feelings.
See Jersey’s acting up like Gib now. Did the psycho tories really forget all about Gib?
Joanna Cherry QC MP?Verified account
@joannaccherry
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My speech during debate on #EU #Art50 Bill reminding the Tories they had forgotten about #Gibraltar #brexitshambles
@ caz-m Noo if you had been wie us last Sunday afternoon as did Mr Brotherhood & BrianDTT you would have got chapter & verse on the way’s of the Trolls from a very informed Manny.
O/T
I was at the football today, and during a lull in the match a group of late fifties to seventies men started to discuss the local elections.
One man i recognised as a labour drone was giving it the whole that sturgeon woman isn’t bothering about education, health, the police or basically not governing Scotland, but worse was the fact that the rest of the group didn’t pull him up on the lies. Worse than that the whole crowd then said they didn’t want independence, this after some of them were talking about their grandchildren in glowing terms.
A former schoolteacher standing next to them then asked them the reasons for rejecting independence, and they fired back at him asking what conceivable reason there were to want independence, to which he replied self determination, which caused a lot of feet shuffling and looking at the ground, as well as an abrupt end to the conversation.
They all hated Nicola Sturgeon and wanted the status quo, that was their anti independence stance in a nutshell. Record readers and BBC news viewers to a man is my guess
@caz-m
“heedy” was posting pro-indy in the usual inimitable style on the Guardian when some people were still peeing their pants, and probably invented the word “britnat”. Try googling – guardian heedtracker – not as easy to find as when you could get someone’s profile and check out all their posts.
Anyway, for me it’s back to reading articles and ignoring btl. Apart from Nana’s Links!
I remember when I was young one of my uncles when I spoke to him always made me feel ten ft tall. As I got older I realised this was quite a rare thing in life. Since reading this site I’ve realised that a lot of the posters on here make me feel the same way about my country and for that I give you all my total respect and appreciation. Keep up the good work and never, ever, give up.
Ma heids burst, as you can plainly see from the footage Thpnr…but ah wis seen immediately at one of our fantastic A&E departments in less than 5 minutes! Ma hauns ur stumps noo though…the cat’s takin’ over the typing fur me…
http://media.photobucket.com/user/Kiraku7/media/TypingCat.gif.html?filters%5Bterm%5D=toes%20typing&filters%5Bprimary%5D=images&sort=1&o=39
Rock says:
1 April, 2017 at 11:10 pm
heedtracker,
You’re a trier Rock, have to give you that much. Sovereignty and Scots law rotters and that’s it, same ol same ol. OK.
This is good though Rock
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/01/world/europe/brexit-scotland-independence-vote.html?_r=0
Sorry if this has been posted before.
Looks like Jersey is up next.
“Jersey could vote for Independence from UK following Brexit”
http://www.itv.com/news/channel/update/2016-06-27/jersey-could-vote-for-independence-from-uk-following-brexit/
Ronnie Anderson
Will get an update on 3rd June Ronnie after the Indy Rally in the Clutha Bar.
Regarding the actual Rally, here’s hoping there is a huge turnout.
My only point about the resident trolls is that they should be avoided at all costs.
@caz-m
Sorry I took you up wrong, thought you were saying heed was a troll.
My only point about the resident trolls is that they should be avoided at all costs.
Fine and my only point is SPEAK UP FOR SCOTLAND, for any reason you want and because Scots are being observed near and far.
LeanneWood Retweeted
Plaid Cymru?Verified account @Plaid_Cymru Mar 30
Scotland is oozing confidence says @LeanneWood. Wales seems to have lost optimism of the late 90s. Time to regain our confidence as a nation
Scotland is oozing confidence
CC… you got it.
Come tomorrow.
Come today.
Scotland.
X.
Give me rope joanna..
We are.
K1 – that was truly horrid! but very much a reality of how many of us feel and what we are up against.
Hopefully, one day in the not too distant future when our work is done, we will all get our lives back.
Aye,aye @Cactus says at 12:09 am
“Give me rope joanna”
That thon rope made fae hemp 🙂
JWT..
LOVE SCOTLAND.
X.
Feel the passion!
That’s a good thing. Sure things are hotting up on Wings with the posters, so what? That’s a good thing and what we want to happen.
Listen there is no chance of winning if the current YES supporters are solely wimps. We will only win by being bold and that only means opening our big gubs and talking to people.
So join me and let’s no longer be shy. Tell people the truth, you have the knowledge already. Let’s fight this battle that May has given us, right is on our side and we will win.
Open your mouth, do not be ashamed of supporting Independence instead be proud as one that is standing up for REAL democracy and standing up for the poorest and most disadvantaged.
You tell them to there face, Scotland is taking back control.
These are not soundbites, this is the reality of the UK right fucking now. Scotland must reject these heinous Tory policies.
We can take a different direction. We WILL be Independent.
Aye @Cactus says at 12:23 am
Love Scotland
Love Wings Ower Scotland
🙂
“Scotland is taking back control” -(I’m stealing that for a poster) thank you Thepnr.
Absolutely agree with you @Thepnr says at 12:26 am
“We will only win by being bold and that only means opening our big gubs and talking to people.”
They don’t have to agree with what we say/tell them
They don’t have to like what we say/tell them
But they will think about what we’ve said/told them and mull it over
The truth hurts
But the truth will out
And the truth will set them free
It will set us all free from the rule of Westminster
Alexicon at11:44.
Appreciate you are just posting a link, but are you sure that Jersy is in the UK?
I’m sure that a historian that used to comment on here said otherwise but I would need to look back for his post.
@Jockanese Wind Talker
Class my friend and that’s the reason I read Wings.
@Thepnr –
Well said.
Robert Peffers will surely be back soon, and that’ll stop certain characters making hay from his absence.
We can all drop-in, or out, and that’s ‘allowed’, eh? And we can all fall in-and-out with each other from time to time. And that’s allowed’ too, right?
These allowances are ‘made’ because we make them happen – not because we seek or require ‘permission’ from anyone. That’s the great strength of WOS ‘below the line’: commenters change all the time, and that exposes shallow, fixed positions, be they party-political or merely vindictive.
Alexicon11.44
I saw that about Jersey! They could vote for Independence from the UK if the Island is unhappy with the Brexit deal.
I just help laughing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey
Answered my own question there, it isn’t part of the U.K.
HAVEN’t read the linked article yet but if it saying or implying that Jersey is part of the U.K., perhaps someone should refer them to Wikipedia.
Rock
You state “It is the publishers of The National who have given the instructions to keep The National hidden.”
Are you serious in this matter? Please give us proof or gie us all peace.
Ok you dont like the T word. Let’s try another Truth.
You made a statement over the NationaL. Prove what you said or admit you weren’t telling the T….
gerry.parker
I understand the Crown Dependencies are not part of the UK. It is quite something when such places that are not even constituent parts of the UK are looking to break away.
Theresa May’s vow of a “more United Kingdom” is going to be one of those unfortunate historical epithets that will haunt her.
Are we going to see the dissolution of the Commonwealth next up? Say what you like about her- there is a certain efficiency in how quickly May has set about destroying all the ties that bind the remnants of the Empire together.
To stop these petty squabbles which are often started by posters making statements as if they were facts or “near” facts, wouldn’t it be pertinent to start with “I believe that” or “I understand that” etc. If mistaken, then could be politely corrected by someone who is in possession of the facts. Post opinions, yes, incorrect or doubtful facts, no. Enough of that in our “revered” MSM.
Honestly, some of you act like spoilt children. (My opinion.)
@Flower of Scotland says: 1 April, 2017 at 4:05 pm:
” … I don’t know what’s wrong with some folk on here just now but petty bickering seems to have increased. Don’t be distracted from our goal please!
And where’s Robert Peffers? Please come back!”
Oh! I didn’t take umbrage at anyone, Flower of Scotland”, I was unable to get reliable internet from BT who constantly insisted my line was all right. I had tested it thoroughly and knew it wasn’t all right. It was getting to be impossible to get Wings and even worse to post to Wings.
So I ran Traceroute and tested my speeds. I was down to 24.5 kbps from around 1.2Mbps to 2Mbps just on Wings and Traceroute would always fail with a, “Timed Out”, message from a server claiming to be a BT server.
I have hearing problems, (Not volume but frequency sensitive), and severe Tinnitus so I couldn’t decipher the Indian accents of the BT call centres. So I trailed up to Glenrothes and signed up to Vodafone fibre broadband as their Help Centre there can sort things out in minutes.
Trouble was BT cut my service several days before Vodafone started my new service and there was the same problem with the claimed BT service but only with Wings. Auld Highlander also has had indications that there is something very wrong going on that is making Wings very slow or not usable but his browser is reporting it is a bad site.
I believe Wings commenters may be getting targeted but I could be wrong. However, now that I’m back on line with fibre I’m back but as all routers need time to learn and adjust it may take a few days for maximum speeds to be realised. Anyway I’m getting download speeds of between 10 & 12 Mbps and a guarantee of more when things settle down.
So any Wingers experiencing speed problems should try a Trace Route and check if a server claiming to be BT, (and perhaps is), is very, very, slow to respond and is slowing things down to a crawl. Then contact their ISP to solve the problem.
@Robert Peffers
Glad to see you back Robert, you have been missed by many, including me.
Robert Peffers:
Good to see you back Mr Peffers, some of us were worrying about you.
Peace Always
Love….
You know da symbol dat follows dat..
Really lookin’ forward to Indy Scotland.
X.
Stronger for Scotland.
Robert Peffers
Oh dear! Sorry you’ve been having such problems. But good to hear that you’re ok.
Welcome back Robert Peffers @ 1.05.
@Robert
I put a post on the what people want thread but basically it’s to try this:
http://www.wikihow.com/Flush-DNS
RP..
Haste ye back buddy..
Us Scots are talking!
& frack ra tories..
Stay closely tuned.
Hi, Cactus. upon independence?
🙂
Peace Always
SCOTLAND.
That is all..
Nothing more, nothing less.
We are freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Hey Peffers.
Yeah, a warning message about no security certificate was coming up for Wings the past couple of days when I browsed it using my PS4. I just thought it was an issue with the console’s firmware, but maybe not now you mention Auld Highlander’s experience.
Spookay.
Big shout oot to ra. Jock Scot..
Cheers fur da invite to play da PQ.
Love Scotland.
X.
That’s all we want Cactus,
Our Scotland
Our Freedom
Our Rightful Place in the World
Peace Always my Friend
Ha ha..
Rapon independence..
Your stage peeps..
Love it!
@ Cactus ,
Cactus you always make me smile , I love your attitude, and by the way yer not a bad singer. yer patter isny bad . 😉
Hi Robert
Fuck all has changed,in your absence…in American Footballing terms Nicola is still the Quatarback,the buffalo rider is nothing more than a defender,with no vision,no clue,no idea.
Our QB is away on holiday,so I am aye.
😉
Love yerself!
Scotland.
X.
Be sociable, share..
Welcome back everybuddy.
We’re back.
And to you lurkers..
Tis your stage..
Talk…
Ah Meester Peffers returns…let the battle commence!
Agreed we’re aw human, we’re aw from many walks of life and have many differing viewpoints, that’s as it should be, but we aw have one common purpose: we’re determined to govern ourselves.
Onwards…It’s Scotland’s Time!
🙂
And i missed yer patter tae Mr Peffers. You are one of Wings Greats . You always write the wrongs. ( yes i meant that) . Keep doing what you do , for me you are an education, and I try to preach what you say , but nobody can say it better than you. So glad you’r back. 😉
So cool tae see the talk of 2014..
Coming on down.
We’re at 2017..
How ye been close strangers?
Last orders for ra umbrellas!
Scotland.
😉
I just love Scotland.
We good.
K1:
Well done earlier, I commented on O/T about you calling out that sneaky clown. A warning to us all to look back at older threads.
Peace Always my Friend
o/t See if everyone shared the love that Smallaxe had and Cactus, what a world we would have . love your attitude guys. 😉
Ditto Big Phil..
We got it a going on.
It’s April.
Big Phil:
Thank you, my Friend.Love for your fellow humans on this earth is the only way to finally have a world that is at peace. I have said before that there are many people that I do not like but I do love mankind and I truly believe that there are more good people than bad sharing this planet with us.We shall Overcome some Day.
GOODNIGHT TO ALL
Peace Always
April..
That’s where it’s at.
Tear-isa May
Rip her up!
Scotland.
Scotland.
SCOTLAND.
That’s where it’s at.
Love Scotland.
X.
Talking to Scotland.
Cheers you.
Mon ra lurkers!
Robert Peffers good to learn your ok and back I’m WOS.
Love u Scotland..
Always.
Name ur tune..
LOVE Scotland.
That is all.
Vote Aye!
@Robert Peffers
Welcome back Robert. You have been missed. You are a Scottish Independence and Wings stalwart. Your education on Scotland and what you have done for the Independence movement is truly remarkable. All those years of what you any your fellow colleague’s knew about the establishment and how they controlled Scotland to its detriment. Only now are the rest of us catching up and learning about these issues.
I take my hat of to you and I hope to shake your hand one day in an Independent Scotland.
Mumsyhugs to you Robert – nice to see you back! 🙂
Great to see you back Robert. I was getting a wee bit worried that you had left us, but then knowing what a tough cookie you are, I had my doubts.
I’ve been a lurker here since 2014 and very occasional poster and can say with absolute confidence that WOS is the de facto online source for Indepedistas to visit for facts backed up with a ton of traceable evidence. I just want to say thank you to Stu and all the regular posters in here, including Robert the stalwart, for keeping me sane and full of hope in the face of the constant daily bombardment of bullshit and lies from the Unionist media and its cohorts.
Without the sterling work of the die hards on WOS it would be much easier for the enemies of democracy to spread their misinformation and make it stick. Keep up the excellent work die hards, we’re winning and the message is getting through.
U.N. Considers a Historic Ban on Nuclear Weapons, But U.S. Leads Boycott of the Talks along with Britain, France and S.Korea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ6aP1cqBVw&list=TLGGjC2BATKyr4gwMjA0MjAxNw&index=2&ab_channel=DemocracyNow%21
BT gives an extremely bad service. It has held up improved broadband for service for years. It has lost £Billions in Italy which it should have been using. In the UK. In some subsidised Italian division instead of Improving broadband in the UK. It’s monopoly and poor management has held ip broadband services for years and wasted customers and public money. If was so inefficient.
It’s services have just been split into two divisions. To give other providers a chance to extend and provide better broadband connection, BT has just been fined for it’s poor connection services. It is also being investigated for the poor management Italian fiasco which lost £Billions of public money. BT was exclusively contracted with £Billions of public money to provide broadband services in the UK.
The BT Chairman did not even have to resign? The company have to pay massive fines which the consumers ultimately pays, through higher prices. No one goes to jail.for criminal behaviour. There is no deterrent for massive embezzlement of public money. The financial criminals just get away with it. The same with Tescos. Fraudulent behaviourr on a massive scale the consumer pays the fine. The crooks go free. Where is the justice or deterrent in that. The Tory/Unionists protect their own criminals and bail them out for a donation.
Poor Mr Peffers is left offline and has to make an exhausting trip to Glenrothes which should be unneccessary. After having the broadband connnection off or working poorly and intermittently for months, Most folk can sympathise because it has happened to them with many broadband suppliers. The incessant phone calls overseas. Staffed by misinformation and frustration until someone qualified with the necessary knowledge unlocks the key.
BT is particularly responsible for poor, bad service by all accounts, because they have had a monopoly of contract provision through the original telephone network. They were contracted with massive UK contracts by Westminster. It was considered BT had the necessary expertise and knowledge, That was not to be. They were ripping off the public. They can get away with bad management and criminality because the consumers are the ones paying for it. With massive fines. Instead of detention for massive criminal abuse of public money and service. Affecting the economy,
One of the reasons the Borders and Orkney voted NO the last time. Poor or inconsistent broadband connection. There is nothing worse or frustrating than slow broadband or no broadband. It damages the economy,
Wings is on a go slow. So are other sites. Is Wings being illegally hacked or targeted illegally by the authorities or M15. It would not be surprising.
We’ve triggered Article 50. Is this such a tragedy for Europe?
https://www.opendemocracy.net/can-europe-make-it/mary-kaldor/article-50-EU-reform-brexit?utm_source=Week+in+One&utm_campaign=7845a70919-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2016_11_11&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_55657c3ea6-7845a70919-408040417
Peace Always
another small piece of the jigsaw fitting perfectly in to place
Alfonso Dastis, the Spanish foreign minister, made it clear that the government would not block an independent Scotland’s EU hopes
Robin at 0853am,
Indeed, it needs repeating over and over again, in case unionists like Andrew Neil and Kezia Dugdale start pretending Spain will Veto Scotland as an independent nation in the EU.
Their is NO Spanish veto of Scotland in the EU, and most importantly, THEIR NEVER EVER HAS BEEN.
I wonder what new bogeyman the britnat unionist liars will invent next??
@ Robert Peffers 1.04 am, welcome back Robert. Sorry to hear of your travails with the internet, hope it improves now.
Arthur Martin, wee wave hallo!
Keep posting = )
Cactus and gang, what alot of cheery uplifting comments – a good start to the day = )
Smallaxe, thank you for the links!
Aye, peace and love too folks on a lovely sunny Sunday morning = )
Appreciate you are just posting a link, but are you sure that Jersy is in the UK?
Irrelevant that I am sure or not.
You should ask that question to the person who wrote the article if he/she is sure Jersey in in the uk or not.
They are the ones who are saying that Jersey is in the uk.
A quick google could prove them wrong though.
I’m not as articulate as some but I constantly challenge myself to what more can I do to promote independence and I suspect that is the case for may of us.
At my local barbers in the Hulltoon area of Dundee, me and the barber often blether about independence and we are both like minded. Anyhow to cut a long story short, I have ordered the National newspaper for him for the next three months and he agrees to draw up a list of questions or negative assertions that gets asked by his other customers.
Me and him will regularly go through the list and look at how we/he can de-bunk or answer such questions i.e. ‘we’ll huv tae tak the euro won’t we?’
Interesting to see how it goes
Very good piece from Ian Macwhirter in today’s Sunday Herald. In particular, I feel his final four paragraphs nail many of the lies and misinformation we are subjected to from Ruth the Mooth, Murdo WATP and the Nutty Professor.
“Alfonso Dastis, the Spanish foreign minister, made it clear that the government would not block an independent Scotland’s EU hopes”
But but but…. that would mean wee Wille Rennie’s wrong again??
lol from Spain will veto you to they might think about it still.
Westminster is like fake outrage
England is like eh we be dumb fucks
Scotland is like yes we are so fucking out of here
N Ireland is like shit we cant let the Scots beat us
Gibraltar is like nah nah ne nah nah to everybody
Wales is like anybody remember we exist.
Ireland is like those eejits have feck all to do with us.
Herald “Top Scottish Labour MEP: ‘I think the country will vote for independence’ “
I share his optimism 🙂
The reasons he gives for thinking Indy will happen are good, so why won’t he get on board?
Instead he witters about ‘more powers’ and ‘third option on the ballot. Jeezz, will someone explain to these characters that the Smith Commission is now closed to submissions, they missed that bus.
Everyone, except Labour, are beyond a third way. Scotland either gets away from the loony UK or is fully absorbed into it. The devolution experiment is coming to an end, one way or another.
http://archive.is/40Uas
Very glad to see you’re back Mr Peffers.
I was wondering whether you’d ever considered making your own blog about Scotland’s constitutional history? A “go to” resource for all you need or want to know about Scotland’s sovereignty and constitutional predicament.
It would be a tremendous asset to the Indy cause, and a real eye opener for huge numbers of Scots who hear the words but don’t appreciate their deeper significance.
If we had Mr Cairns up on billboards, and Mr Peffers putting his knowledge in a blog we can share throughout the world, then those are two giant steps forward for Indy in my humble opinion.
@Arabs for Independence
That’s a great idea, think I’ll adopt it and give my barber a three month subscription to the National for people to read rather than the Daily Record, Sun or Express.
In the last Indyref I left a dozen WBB’s there and they were all gone the same day.
@ Robert Peffers – glad to see you back. Re the WoS site, it had an upgrade to a secure server a few days ago and that caused lots of people to get dodgy security messages depending on which browser they are using.
Even now, my browser has an info sign to the left of https which says that bad people might see the images I view on this site and trick me by modifying them.
Derek Bateman’s site yesterday had the big red warning page which, I have to admit, puts me off.
Apart from that – great to see you have ditched BT. A private monopoly of a national network was always going to be a licence to print money and stuff the “customer”. If Vodafone has its own cables you should be immune to BT’s conniving ways.
Looking forward to your demolishing of the current constitutional crisis.
Welcome back Robert Peters. If anybody doubted your information on Scots sovereignty lying with the people, then all I can say is they have not been paying attention to every SNP politician who has been mentioning that very thing in every speech I hear from them lately.
It is clearly emphasised for a reason.
The Trades Unions have been at it again, Not supporting their members properly, especially in Scotland, Still supporting Faslane and squit redundant Nuclear weapons. Costing better more worthwhile jobs all over the UK. Losing thousands of jobs. The Oil & gas sector cannot be developed on the West coast. The Clyde can’t be brought into further commercial use because of these restrictions, Damaging the Scottish economy,
The Trade unions leaders collude with industrialists, the Labour Party snd UK Gov to destroy the world economy. For remuneration and an affluent lifestyle they betray the population and their own members. In ignorance, arragance and greed. They cost more jobs. Like dinosaurs stuck in the past they cannot move to a better more prosperous, equal and fair society.
The Trade Union leaders illegally support, Trident, HS2, Hinkley Point and Heathrow. All a complete waste of money with better credible alternative, Money would be better spent on renewables cheaper and better, Along with appropriate NHS/Education and welfare provision. Instead of starving vulnerable people to death and wasting £Billions of public money. Leading to cuts in essential services and their members protection and welfare. Betraying their interests.
Some Unions finance the Labour Party.. Giving their members money to finance illegal wars, banking fraud and tax evasion. Destroying the world economy and their members interests. Party to killing and maiming millions of innocent people workdwide. Sanctioning the vulnerable and starving them to death. Causing the worst migration crisis since 11WW. Bombing the Middle East to bits for years. Some Trade Union leaders financed it and sanctionsed it. In their desired to interfere in political power and manipulate outcomes for their personal ego and financial reward.
Some Trade Union leaders are despicable working against the interest of their own members and the society, Charlatans who misused their power and influence. To kind their own pockets. Tom Watson and Len McCluskey. Two twa faced liars, if ever there were ones. Total hypocrites. Depending on where they are coming from and looking to see what angle they can use for troughing and self advancement.
Many Trade Union leaders are totally ignorant and critical of any knowledge of the Scittish economy and society. That just lie about it. Do not consult their members wishes or aspirations in Scotland and elsewhere. Corbyn is totally useless. He sat for over forty years in a Party whose policies he mainly did not support. In order to gain office and troughing remuneration. An easy life. Instead of going and doing something useful. His Party is a total corrupt mess. Full,of troughers, liars and sycophant, destructive psychos.
Ms Boulton, (600 green votes – 3rd rate reject) Willy Young’s right hand person, was reported to be going for lunch with Farague. One of the biggest crooks on the planet. Party to illegally selling the City on the stock market. Getting the City into £Billion of debt. The majority of the citizens are outraged. It is beyond belief. Smacks of perversion
Just like other green and unionist Parties who just get away with it. Illegally getting away with mismanaging of £Billions of public funds. Lying about it and blaming other people.. Especially the SNP. If Iain Gray is looking for the £Billions+ that could have been spent on Education and essential services. Look no further than the fraudulent accounts in Aberdeen and Glasgow Council chambers. The illegal grotesque monstrosities projects of no value. Against the majority interest and the public wishes.
Illegal fraud mismanagement and corruption of public money and abuse of power and control. A totally disruptive abuse of public power. Leaving the community and society totally outraged and annoyed about what has been done to their Cities. Of neglect, corruption and fraud. Tied up in an inept political system which turned voters off and destroys democracy. They can’t vote out the 3rd rate rejects out and get the Party/candidates they wish in.
Some Trade Union leaders supported coming out of the EU. Resulting in the the destruction of the world economy. Causing hardship and misery for vulnerable people the world over. Along with their own members.standard of living. Putting up the cost of living and lowering their members standard of living. Many are incompetent, ignoramouses meddling in government and political power for their own ends and a separate agenda. .
Working again their members interests and the world economy. Causing hardship for vulnerable people worldwide. Their lack compassion, empathy, wisdom and justice. All they care about is themselves, avarice, greed.and taking control. Some are worse than Tories with whom they often collude. Manipulating greedy, thieving lying liars. Many of them should be in jail for embezzling and manipulating members funds. Sanctioning and starving the vulnerable.
They are supporting austerity, illegal wars, torture, banking fraud and tax evasion. Uniting with corrupt Political Parties causing hardship and misery for their members and the wider society, Some Trade Union leaders are despicable, especially in Scotland. They should not survive. The menbers should be sorting it out. The railway workers lost a goiod leader when. Mr Crowe, unfortunately died.
There is nothing more despicable than the Tories but other unionist green Parties give them an easy run for their money. Never trust a Tory ever, especially in Scotland.
Just passed a 7mm kidney stone. Such a wee calcified thing, you’d never think that it’d cause so much jip.
I christened it Queen Elizabeth the 3rd.
It looks like Spain will be offered Gibraltar and as much Scottish fish as they can catch as part of the English Brexit deal.
Tam Jardine said:
2 April, 2017
I suspect we are all going to have to get used to that picture of May signing the Article 50 letter – it may well become one of those iconic images – alongside Neville Chamberlain holding up the piece of paper that secured ‘peace in our time’.
@Ken500
“Just like other green and unionist Parties who just get away with it.”
“There is nothing more despicable than the Tories but other unionist green Parties give them an easy run for their money.”
The Greens are not Unionist Ken they voted with the SNP for a second referendum. The Greens too support an Independent Scotland and we should welcome any and all support we can get.
It’s impossible to understand your personal beef with the Greens so I won’t bother trying.
This is a multibux site, why the f are we abusing it by discussing Rock ad nauseum yet again! & again! & again!
Anent the Coontin Hoose, a pint of Eilan Or in a durty gless!
It would be interesting to see if the 62% support for the RU in Scotland has increased or decreased since Article 50 has been triggered.
Or even the EU… LOL
Glad to hear you are in fine fettle Mr Peffers and that it was only the internet, that was depriving us of your wise and very informative contributions.
Long may you continue to post.
Fred:
Thanks for the link at 9;58am yesterday regarding the tagged Golden Eagle, too many of our magnificent raptors are being poisoned on estates all over Scotland by people who come here only to decimate our wildlife for “Sport”. I would make them eat every animal that they killed including the fur and feathers.
Peace Always
@Breeks says: 1 April, 2017 at 5:44 pm:
“I kinda wish / hope Robert Peffers would start up his own blog.”
I’ve not been taking umbrage at anyone, Breeks. I began to have great difficulty getting a useable internet connection. I have hearing difficulty especially when attempting telephone conversations. I ran some speed tests and traced the fault to be outside my property.
My ISP was BT and I was paying over the odds for a promised premium service but BT insisted there was no problems with my ADSL line.
It became apparent there was special difficulty in accessing Wings so I did some Trace Route work and identified a particular link in the chain that more often than not, “Timed Out”, and thus broke connection to Wings. This link claimed to be a particular BT server. Even if I got passed that link my speeds, never very great, went way down to around 24Kbp or even less. That’s kilobits not Megabits BTW.
BT’s Indian call centres were useless as I find the Indian accents of their staff particularly difficult to decipher and text via the net was impossible. So I decided to trail up to Glenrothes in person where Vodafone have a fibre VDSL centre and signed up for a fibre service so that in difficulty I could get help.
So that is why I have been AWOL. BT cut off my service several days before Vodafone began my new service. Then what I knew would happen did happen and my line was still strangled with a redirected Vodafone page popping up telling me to wait while the new router was setting itself up and it would only take a couple of minutes.
So after a couple of hours and no action I left both the router and the computer running and wert to bed. Next morning the redirected page was still telling me to wait a couple of minutes. So I trailed back to Glenrothes and reported the fault. Vodafone’s techs ran some checks and confirmed my diagnosis that my incoming phone line was being strangled and said they had sorted it out. I knew that this meant a router reset and it could take the router some time to settle down to the eventual average speed.
On getting home again I restarted the router and the speed was instantly up to 10Mbps and is steadily increasing now.
As to your hope that I might start my own blog. I designed and ran my own website, (I called it, “The Eck’s Files”, as at that time I was writing a short story page for the Kelty Community Council magazine under a non de plume of, “A.J. Cronie”. There were four main characters in these stories and the, “Lovable Rogue”, character was, “Wee Eck”.
So, “The Eck’s Files”, had the series of Community Council stories. Some of my own longer short stories and lots of my poems and anecdotes. Along with some other authors works and lots of stuff supporting disability and other groups supporting the underprivileged of Scots society – and of course – Scottish Independence stuff.
The site was extensive and I designed it and maintained it all long before there were easy programs to do blogs. It all had to be done by writing HTML in Windows Notepad and then uploading it to the net.
Then my late wife and I were hit by a drunk driver and she spent the rest of her life in a wheelchair and died much earlier than she should have from the results of her injuries. I also received spinal and neck injury that, with arthritis setting in, are getting increasingly painful and disabling.
So I had my hands full caring for my wife and struggling with my own disability. Fife Council were as useful as a chocolate fireguard. So when my computer suffered a big breakdown I had to just give up on the Community Council series and then the computer suffered a hard disk failure and although I had a backup of, “The Eck’s Files”, and the other stuff I just had to give up the website as my time was spent in 24/7 care of my wife.
When she died I was too disabled myself to get things back up and working again. In any event the task of designing and running a website or blog has changed a great deal and even what I remember of HTML mark-up Language is out of date.
However I did some months ago make a start with redesigning a new website. The first snag was someone else had grabbed the, “Eck’s Files”, tag for themselves but that was not a great problem but I just couldn’t get enough time and effort going and the new website design just got shelved. I’m now in the process of doing a redesign of my extensive Home Network and entertainment centre.
This has been much delayed due to the apparent BT strangling of my internet access. Anyway Winger, Auld Highlander, has posted that he too got a warning on his browser that Wings was problem website. Which beggars the question – has some Yoon organisation been strangling Wings for some of us. This is born out as my own diagnostic checks show the Trace Route server that claims to be BT’s may be a fake BT step in the Trace Route chain.
I smell something like a 77 Brigade illegal interference in Wings propagation. Obviously as Wingers are widespread that not every winger’s route to Wings will follow the same paths. What is fact is that Vodafone found the same troubled step was strangling my access to Wings that I had already found was a doubtful one a long way off in a quite long list of steps to the Rev Stu’s use of the TuCows servers.
Just a few minutes ago I got an alert from Google that someone has obtained my Google password but I believe what they are seeing is my own change of ISP and hence changes of ISP and identity. I’m off to investigate in case someone is actually attempting to invade my Home Net setup.
Sorry about the long post but I think it the only way to clear up several matters. If anyone has recently suffered a loss of net speed I recommend getting your ISP to investigate and to not accept your line is all right.
My Trace Route to Wings showed a distant, possible fake, BT server was so slow it often timed out and thus stopped Wings being accessed. My general speed was halved but access to Wings was much more strangled by that claimed BT server.
Like Mr Peffers, I too seem to have the odd computer crash, normally on WoS it just shuts down then restarts, it a pain in the bahooky. (Empire interference?)
Reluctant Nationalist@10.36
Did you shatter the toilet with it, there would have been some ricochet!!!
Really pleased to see Robert Peffers back and hope all is now ok. Let’s cut out the ego expanding stuff – if you disagree remember that no group of people ever agrees with everything and everyone. If you believe someone is a troll just sashay by. We have a really good reputation compared with many of the unionist blogs. Respect and bear the main aim in mind always. Scotland’s freedom!
Can anyone tell me how to get rid of “only secure content is displayed” which comes up every time I move on Wings?
@ Robert Peffers,
Welcome back indeed sir !
So many times I read your constitutional and historical posts, meaning to archive them and forget to do so.
A blog containing thes facts or even an accesable upload to the cloud would in itself be a wonderful resource for 7s all to use against the Yoon diatribe.
Reluctant Nationalist.
You have my sympathy – had one removed last year.
Small but perfectly formed.
🙁
Robert Peffers, nice to see, to see you, Nice!
Can you post info on the Sovereignty of Scotland and her peoples please Mr Peffers? I know there are some WoS readers like me who can use the logical explanations you provide.
Also, don’t tell me about BT broadband. We’re in the middle of Glesga and there is no fibre broadband available and there will not be any for the forseeable future, why? because BT says so, is why.
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April 2017, not April 2002, Scotland’s biggest city, BT gimps refuse to install fibre optic broadband and have absolutely no plans to do so. Why do you need fibre anyway Glasgow, its good enough for you.
Reluctant Nationalist:
Just passed a 7mm kidney stone
Such a wee calcified thing
You’d never think
That it’d cause so much jip
So much so
That I named it
As a massive ship
And as I launched it
Down the pan
Round and Round
It ran and ran
A roulette wheel
In my lavvy pan
At last it stopped
And came to rest
I won this time
I came off best
But never the roulette
Wheel again
Because gambling causes
So much pain
To name it as a ship
Was silly so now I name it
My Free Willie
🙂
Peace Always
Really pleased to see Robert P. back and hope everything is working out for him. WoS is a brillian site, far superior to anything unionists can product but as ever we Scots are disputaceous – that mostly is a great thing to get ideas out and about. However attacking each other in personal terms only gives pleasure to our enemies – and they are our enemies. This is made clear by the way they refer to nationalist politicians, parties and anyone who dares to support Scottish freedom! Let’s be better than them and aim for a better country than they have ever or will ever provide!
PS How the hell do I stop this “only secure content” thing that appears everytime I move on Wings?
Sorry about that repeat – thought the original had disappeared into the ether!
@Bill McLean
Not everything goes according to plan 🙂
Robert about 20 years ago I too had my own website, which as you say had to be written in HTML text I think it was. I did it all myself, and was pretty pleased with it, largely because there was quite a bit of “learning work” went into doing it, and it actually worked at the end.
I ran into problems however trying to get the site to appear in search engines, and slowly realised the time spent getting it all to work was counter productive. In the end I got a professional to do my website when my business could afford it, and it was money very well spent. He takes care of the maintenance, and leaves me free to focus on the content.
All the text was my own, that and a bundle of photographs, and a couple of leads about what to prioritise, and the web designer web designed the rest.
You have a wealth of knowledge Mr Peffers, and it’s a wealth of knowledge a great many Scots are going to need over the next 18 months and beyond. It’s knowledge we would do well to communicate to the English, to the European member states we want to stand shoulder to shoulder with, even to the Americans who already know there is something “fishy” about the information they are getting from the UK. There is no better time to land a blow for freedom when the shallow truth presented by the media is open to question, to then deliver genuine truth, precedence, and verifiable provenance.
I feel very privileged with what I have learned from you these passed few months and years, but to learn, you have to pay attention, read it all, and then work out what it means. In that I have done my best, but it’s information that we need in the mainstream, accessible to “browsers” and fickle headline seekers.
If seem lots of discussion lately about “framing” arguments. In short, if a debate between the rights and wrongs of independence is “framed” in the context of Independence being a bad idea, it’s the framing of the argument not the argument which is most persuasive. The BBC and media are masters of this “framing” technique, where they set the agenda for debate.
With both the media and Westminster, this knowledge about sovereignty can wrongfoot their whole perspective of the world. They have not done their homework. The have assumed too much without checking. We can make them look like fools.
This whole backdrop of Scotland’s inalienable sovereignty has never once been adequately represented on television or radio, and yet it is at the epicentre of Scotland’s constitutional argument. It is such a fundamental game changer that we can begin to frame our arguments in the context that the entirety of Westminster and all it stands for is build upon fallacy and mendacity.
To do that, we need everybody and his dog fully conversant with the history of Scotland’s sovereignty, the origins of our Nation status, and the troubled path of our sovereignty through history, right up to date, here and now.
I cannot think of anyone better suited to pull together such information and react to feedback with your wider knowledge.
If a website doesn’t appeal to you, might you consider instead authoring a Wings style “Wee Blue Book” of Scotland constitutional entitlements? Something that can be produced like a WWB and distributed just like the Wee Books are.
In fact, why not both?
I very much hope you will think about it Mr Peffers.
You also have my sympathies over your good wife and cruel personal difficulties. I look forward to the day when we can draw a line under all of those pro-Indy Scots who hoped to see Independence in their lifetime.
yesindyref2 says: 2 April, 2017 at 1:21 am:
“I put a post on the what people want thread but basically it’s to try this:
http://www.wikihow.com/Flush-DNS
“
I have written a wee, “.BAT”, file. It has all the normal things like flushing the DNS which are just Windows system snags. Obviously I had tried all such things first. It saves either having to access the Command Prompt and then typing in the Windows 10 commands or having to load Regedit and perhaps making a typing error there and mucking up the Registry.
I just run my own bat file and select the test or check I need to run. So I knew DNS was not the problem nor was it just windows confusing itself. It was a definite outside thing.
BTW: There is a downloadable Windows 10 program that does much the same thing. It can be downloaded from Major Geeks website. it is called, “Fixwin 10”. However, remember to check out the warnings on the program’s interface. You can read what each choice does and any warnings by clicking the button with the, “?”, symbol to the right of the activation button for each check that you can select.
I’m not sure if that Windows 10 program is updated these days. I originally used it for doing my own version.
However, my version has no user interface. It just lets you select each task or to move to the next choice on the Command Prompt Window.
The only benefit being that there is no chance when using the .Bat file of typing errors at the Command Prompt or in Regedit.
Thepnr – I know – jusdt been discussing plans with Teresa!!!
@Big Phil says: 2 April, 2017 at 2:06 am:
Here’s a thought for you, Big Phil:-
A Yoon is just a Yesser, you haven’t yet converted.”
@Bill
I assume you are using Internet Explorer so you have to go in to tools – internet options- click on the security tab – click on custom level – scroll down to the miscellaneous section and change the display mixed content from prompt to enable and this should stop the message…
Well done Mike Russell and Patrick Harvie! They sailed through Gordon Brewer,s rabid questioning.
Gordon determined to prove that devolved Agriculture laws from EU to Great Repeal Bill will be UKOK for Scotland. Ha,ha!
TheWasp at 11.28
These are the uninformed and they are complacent and have no desire to be informed.
The way to these people is to establish that they are being taken for mugs. You do so by establishing that they have been lied by the media on the assumption that they are stupid enough to believe anything.
The whole unionist armoury of lies is aimed at this group. Facts and figures thrown about have limited effect. Establishing they are having their plonkers pulled is much more effective.
Croompenstein – many thanks. Will do!
In the LA elections Lauderdale n Melrose has seven candidates and three seats. One SNP one lib dem two tories three independents. Do I still need to rank all of them or do I only need to do 1, 2 and 3?
Obviously SNP 1 – does anyone know how best to rank the rest. Ive spoken to one of the independents Iain Gillespie who is x labour and a unionist so he’s out I asked him his opinion of gers he didnt know what I was talking about so I sent him home to find out. He also told me we would be behind Turkey in queue to be in EU and that the new oil discovery was no use as it will cost too much to get out. One is x-snp David Parker whose been in job for 10 years and one is Rebecca Fraser don’t know anything about her yet. Do I put these people above Lib dems/tories. Advice would be appreciated. Cheers!
Croompenstein – afraid it hasn’t worked! It only happens on Wings I forgot to mention!
@Ken500 says: 2 April, 2017 at 8:40 am:
” … Poor Mr Peffers is left offline and has to make an exhausting trip to Glenrothes which should be unneccessary. After having the broadband connnection off or working poorly and intermittently for months, Most folk can sympathise because it has happened to them with many broadband suppliers. The incessant phone calls overseas.”
The thing is Ken500. You don’t know the half of it. Besides the spinal & neck injuries I have hearing problems that mean you cannot lip read or get the full range of frequencies over phone lines. So just getting up and ready to go out is exhausting without making the actual trip out itself. The usual is to rise about 05:00 am and it takes at least to lunch time to get ready to go out.
By the time you accomplish the task you set out to do and get home you are so whacked you have your tea and fall asleep in the big chair for some hours. All for the lack of being able to make a five minute phone call.
It does have its funny side. During all the time I’ve been attempting to sort things out BT keep trying to phone me.
I cannot even hear the phone ringing, (it is a frequency thing rather than volume). So I bought and set up a speakerphone/answering machine/FAX Transmitter/receiver.
So someone at BT calls my phone number and they get a message along the lines of, “I cannot hear phones – Please contact me by Faxing this number, by mobile phone text on this Number *(*(**((), or by email at this address myname @btinternet.com.”>
So what does the BT caller do? Yup! That’s right, Ken500, they proceed to leave me a message that I have just told them I cannot hear.
There is further humour though. The cold callers are using similar machines as I have installed. Either that or computer versions of the same or combinations of answer machines and those selective programs that say if you want this press 1 – if you want that press 2 … … … if you want removed from our service press 9.
So we have their machine calling your machine but, being a machine, it does not know it is talking to a machine and it cannot read the message you replied with. So it rattles on with its message to you and doesn’t wait for the tone. You thus do not get the message you cannot hear anyway but you do not get the chance to cancel the service either.
So I now get the same female voiced caller that calls me several times each day. I do not even know if it is the same company as it could be several different companies who are using machines from a company that makes the machines. So each different machine thus has the same female voice on their machine.
Thing is I don’t usually even hear the phone ringing but have my wee dog trained to bark when certain sounds are heard. She then goes to wherever such sounds are coming from and as she is looking at the source her nose points to the sound’s origin. So I daily have to delete the cold caller messages or the human callers who understood my greeting when they called and are bright enough to not leave a message I cannot hear.
So why are BT call centre operatives in particular all so bloody thick?
@Dozie
First I want to say well done you for going to the trouble of finding out what the views are of those standing on an Independent ticket.
So I checked out your council make up it is this:
Scottish Conservative and Unionists (SCUP) with 9
Scottish National Party (SNP) with 9 Councillors
Independents 8
None – Independent Councillor with 2 Councillors
Liberal Democrats (Lib Dem) with 6 Councillors
However the council is run by a coalition, since the SNP is very unlikely to win a majority in your area then you would want to keep that coalition alive.
So I would put any existing Independent or Lib Dem Councillor who have been proven to work with the SNP ahead of anyone else, if none in your ward then the goal is to keep the Tories out as they currently have the same number of seats as the SNP and potentially could form a coalition of their own.
So its entirely your choice, mine would be SNP, David Parker, Rebecca Fraser, Lib Dem, Iain Gillespie, Tory, Tory.
Best of luck in Borders Council and as I said a great job in getting to know your own candidates.
I’m proud of the Scottish people. I’m a Proud Scot then and no but!
@Robert Peffers –
It’s a scandal that you, and others with similar situations to yourself, have to put up with this shit from BT. They’re a disgrace.
Socrates MacSporran @ 09:28,
(Or anyone else) Is that article archived anywhere, so I can get to the end of it…?
@ Smallaxe, what’s particularly outrageous in the deid-eagles saga is that the owner of North Glenbuchat is apparently a Mountbatten hiding behind the smoke & mirrors of a tax-haven! Andy Wightman is right to question why the Scottish Government permits the ownership of Scottish land being so registered? Probably because the Balmoral Trust is!
Anent “the stane” get it mounted kid!
thepnr @1.28
Thanks that’s very helpfull advice I plan to find out more about the other independent, Rebecca, before I vote. I wasn’t sure about how to place the others it goes against the grain to place them at all vote till you boak isn’t easy.
Always been Proud Scot always will be we’re everywhere. Onwards and upwards.
Thanks for your help much appreciated.
@Robert Peffers
Figured you would have done stuff like that. Mind you I once had a piece of kit, couldn’t get it to work, tried everything, it was doing my head in.
In the end I switched it on at the wall. That worked!
@ Smallaxe
When I got to the end of your post I burst out laughing.
I managed to save it from certain doom with a long wooden spoon. That spoon has now been washed, bleached, burned to ashes, and buried. In a sealed lead capsule.
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@ Gary45%
I’m surprised it didn’t smash the lavvie. The flood built up behind it probably gave it a high enough muzzle velocity. I imagine the view from ground zero was like that bit at the start of Saving Private Ryan when the camera goes underwater and you see the bullets leave a tail of bubbles as they zoop zoop though the gloom. There was certainly a comparable amount of blood…from my wee soldier. *Badoom-tish.*
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@ gerry parker
Thanks, man. The pain was 100 times more painful when it was stuck in my ureter, rather than the pain from the ‘birth’. Actually, that’s an understatement. Never known pain like that. Was it like that for you?
Anyway, thanks to a wonderful NHS consultant urologist (Mr Chaudhary), the Tamsulosin pills he gave me made my urethra expand, encouraging it to pass from it’s home further upstream. I was meant to go for the anaesthetic tests on thursday for the ureteroscopy op, so thank god it passed before that.
Robert Peffers says:
@Big Phil says: 2 April, 2017 at 2:06 am:
Here’s a thought for you, Big Phil:-
A Yoon is just a Yesser, you haven’t yet converted.”
Aye, or they could also be known as an ‘undecided Yes voter’
Cheers chaps.
@ Mr Peffers and Cactus. I’ve got a few and by feck I’ll make them see the light.Its my duty. 😉
Cheers Chris..
Have you seen this?
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-end-of-sanity/
Vote Scotland!
Vote Yes!
Vote You!
and cheers Big Phil, see the beauty, do your duty.
X.