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    1. Fergus Green says:

      Launch the Scottish Lifeboat.

    2. Ghillie says:

      Drookit more like 🙂

      Well done Chris =) That’ll bruise a few egos.

      And the Good Ship Independence sails homeward 🙂

    3. Robert Louis says:

      Come March 29th, they will all be doing it. “it wasn’t me”, “I wasn’t there”, “I resigned from cabinet twenty minutes before 11pm”, “I disagreed throughout, whilst in cabinet”, and so on.

      With every passing day, the absurd excuses from folk trying to make it look like ‘it wisnae us’, grows longer and longer. They should indeed call themselves ‘the wets’.

    4. Robert Louis says:

      Fergus Green at 0715am,

      Aye, launch the Scottish lifeboat…and SOON.

    5. starlaw says:

      Absolute cracker Chris. Deserves a Billboard.

    6. Luigi says:

      Fergus Green says:
      23 February, 2019 at 7:15 am
      Launch the Scottish Lifeboat.

      Aye, but there will still be a fair few that refuse to board.

      So sad. 🙁

    7. Robert Louis says:

      Starlaw at 0735am,

      I’ve always thought that an indyref could be won easily, with enough of Chris Cairns cartoons on billboards. A picture paints a thousand words and all that…

    8. Robert Louis says:

      Many, including myself, have no time for the lying propagandist BBC in Scotland. Luckily we now have a national newspaper fighting our corner. They are and have been tackling the BBC liars hard, almost all this week. If you don’t currently buy ‘The National, or want to give it a go, can I urge people to buy a copy.

      At last we have a major media source tackling the liars at Pacific Quay, so we should buy the National if possible.

    9. doug_bryce says:

      Labour and Tories glad to have avoided the SNP civil war ?
      Classic cartoon.

    10. winifred mccartney says:

      Fergus Green – great – launch it when its ready. SNP civil war off the front pages in favour of the real war which will soon be in full swing with labours abstaining coming back to haunt them and the tories rich tax wars tripping them up. If labour thinks anti-antisemitism is a problem wait till momentum mps take over, it will be Armageddon for labour.

      But worry not the Scottish lifeboat is coming along nicely.

    11. Muscleguy says:

      @Winifred McCartney
      It isn’t though, is it? the captain is feart and keeps telling us she will tell us when she will launch it ‘in weeks’. She started saying that back in October, at least.

      If Article 50 gets extended we could be in this limbo in the summer.

    12. Malky says:

      Think that’s Brexit covered…

    13. Essexexile says:

      Do Chris’s satirical cartoons appear anywhere but here? Are they in The National?
      Too good to be hidden away on an obscure (!) website.

    14. Famous15 says:

      The Libdems may be irrelevant but they are not harmless.

      The “fragrant” Jo Swinson had a problem with John Nicholson because he is a genuinely nice guy so the Libdems made up this distorted “odious” description of him and spewed it out on every door step. They now believe their own lies.

      The Libdems are masters at this propaganda and those of us in Edinburgh West are only too aware of their deceit .Where do they get their money? More leaflats than other parties combined!

    15. CameronB Brodie says:

      Please just get us out of this stinking racist shitehole.

      ‘Rapefugees Not Welcome’
      Ideological Articulations of Media Discourses on Migrants and
      Refugees in Europe: New Racism and Othering – A Critical
      Discourse Analysis

    16. Valerie says:

      Great toon as usual, Chris.

      I too wish a few choice ones could be on billboards, I’d happily chip in.

      The billboards by Led by Donkeys, are doing well down south, the most recent one was huge, awaiting May for her arrival in Brussels.

    17. James Westland says:

      “I thought Fluffy was coming” LOL PMSL. Brilliant Chris.

    18. Abulhaq says:

      The United Kingdom will deploy its new aircraft carrier, loaded with two squadrons of F-35 aircraft into the politically-fraught South China Sea.
      British Defense Minister Gavin Williamson confirmed in a speech Monday morning that the Royal Navy’s HMS Queen Elizabeth will sail into waters that are the subject of dispute between China and other nations.
      At an address given to the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) in London, Williamson said Britain was the second largest investor in the region and it must display “hard power” and “lethality” to help protect interests.
      That’s that sorted.

    19. Hamish100 says:

      Another great cartoon.
      Out of picture is the EU which will continue to strengthen as the wrecks of brexit sink without trace.

      Sad to hear Gordon Dewer and Isabel Fraser on bbc scotchland talk about the reintroduction to “this country” of the 14th Century Treason Act.

      Yes we all know it applied solely to England and Wales and not to Scotland. Why? Well simple we were a separate Nation.

      Independent of England due to tens of thousands of our people sacrificing their lives over many years by fighting against the invader from the south.

      You would think the bbc presenters would know that the so called Treason Act under English Law did not apply under Scots Law.

      Doesn’t bode well for the new BBC patronising channel starting on Sunday.

    20. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Famous15 at 9.04

      The Libdems are no more than tools for the UK establishment and are herded in and out of the tool box as required.
      Because of that useful connection we got 13 LibDem leaflets posted to our address during the 2017 election though they apparently have no funds and no identified membership or organisation in the A&B constituency.

      Whenever the electorate get fed up with the major unionist parties the gullible can be safely herded into the fake LibDem corral until things get back to normal.

      How would the government of Israel react to a UK PM who supported the Palestinians? Corbyn has to be destroyed.A majority of those “rebel” MPs belong to the Friends of Israel organisation.

      The National is doing a fabulous job on the BBC.

    21. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Jo Swinson should be routinely described as “the odious Jo Swinson” if that’s the game they want to play.

      She is presently enjoying the promotion that was routinely afforded previously to Ruth Davidson. QT. Next HIGNFY?

    22. Socrates MacSporran says:

      Muscleguy @ 8.44 am

      Did you never watch Braveheart – that bit where Wallace has to continually urge the Scottish ranks to: “Hold, hold, hold”?

      Had the Tories not absolutely fucked-up Brexit, a deal would have been concluded by September, or October last year. At that point, knowing what the leaving terms were, the deal should have gone to be ratified by the 27 other nations and the HoC.

      The minute that deal was through the HoC, Nicola would have said: “This deal is mince, it harms Scotland, we are going for Independence,” and, whether Westminster liked it or not, the Indyref 2 campaign would have been under way. In fact, we might well have already voted and known the outcome.

      But, the Maybot, unable to get her own side to back her, has simply kicked the can down the road, and is now, rapidly, running out of road.

      Nicola cannot fire the starting pistol on Indyref2 until she knows what the deal or no deal for leaving is. Supposed she had already done so, and, on realising the reality of losing all that Scottish wealth, the Tories had changed their mind, cancelled Brexit, or given the minimum Nicola wants – a Customs Union and free movement. Well Indyref2 was a lost cause.

      Nicola CANNOT act until she knows what we in the Independence movement will be taking-on. And that will be a last-minute call.

      She may only have a matter of days, perhaps even hours, to fire the starting pistol, before the dirty tricks begin, up to and including proroguing Holyrood.

      The Tories will stop at nothing to keep us as their last colony. This fight will be dirty, but, it is one we have to win.

      I am as exasperate at anyone as to how things have turned out, but, we have to Keep the Faith.

    23. Giving Goose says:

      Jo Swinson is a very unpleasant person.
      A careerist.
      The good people of her constituency who voted for her have been conned.
      Jo is a careerist and her party are a charade who exist to enable BritNat rule in Scotland.

    24. Movy says:

      The best thing about Chris’s cartoons is that, in the middle of this black chaos, they make me laugh. I love this one.

    25. Golfnut says:

      The 1708 treason act harmonised( foisted on) the treason laws between Scotland and England. In essence England’s treason laws of 1351 became force in Scotland because of the 1708 Act by the UK Parliament. Parts of that act are still in force in Scotland.

      Personally I think these discussions are taking place because of the Withdrawal Bill and its implications regarding the Treaty of Union and Scots Constitutional law when its enforced on March 29. These changes will be about protecting the establishment, albeit in the small print.

    26. defo says:

      Strength to strength CC.
      Considering a cruise for the next holiday by any chance ?
      Fluffy ting vv funny.

    27. Valerie says:

      @ Socrates

      Well said. That’s my view of the situation too. Also, there is a distinct danger if Nicola calls it too early, May circumvents by pulling the rug, and announcing going for a PV, extension etc.

      We actually will probably have to wait right up to 29 March, because May wants to keep everyone guessing, and the hard Right will do everything to ensure obfuscation etc., to drag Brexit over that March date.

      Labour as we know are a mess, depite great hooha about Coopers amendment next week which prevents No Deal. If anyone in Labour were serious they would be going for Revocation of A50.

    28. Bob Mack says:

      I wonder if the copywriters who “created” the SNP civil war could have foretold that the very party they were trying to bolster in Scottish Labour, would soon have their very own realdivisions so publicly aired.

      If any Labour members need ammunition for the struggle, I have a jar of Marmite and some Italian breadsticks going cheap. Lethal.

    29. TheItalianJob says:

      @Socrates MacSporran at 9.37am

      Well spoken and fully agree with your post there.

      There is still too much uncertainty on Brexit and this is very much due to the threat to the U.K. of an Indyref and the potential Independence Yes vote succeeding by Scotland to leave the U.K.

      The big flea in the ointment to this Brexit was the overwhelming vote by Scots to remain in the EU. This has undoubtably increased the Yes vote in Scotland as we well know. But in order to secure a Yes vote in Indy2 we need to have full clarity on Brexit and what that is going to entail.

      The U.K. cannot afford to lose the revenue generated by Scotland from its many resources and the massive contribution it makes to the U.K. treasury.

      As you correctly state jumping the gun before a final Brexit deal is known would be entirely foolhardy and could result in the U.K. renegading on Brexit in order not to lose its great cash cow of Scotland.

    30. Tam fae somewhere says:


      However if that cartoon was stuck on a billboard what percentage of the population would get it? Depressingly with the current media it might be a low number. March 29th and the few weeks after are going to be a real surprise to too many people.

    31. Kangaroo says:

      Great cartoon captures the mood perfectly.

      For those of you interested in Global issues that directly impact indy see my post on previous “Counting with James Kelly MSP” thread @ 23 Feb 10:23am

      I didn’t want to post it here as people get annoyed by OT posts this early in a thread.

    32. Hamish100 says:

      I think the First Minister has been vindicated by being “ca canny”.

      Those WoS bloggers encouraged by the tory /labour news media to have a reverenda, now, now , now have been proven wrong.

      Labour is self harming daily, the tories are in open war. Lib dems and the independents support Westminster politics including the unelected House of Lords.

      The Scottish Public watch on aghast as we are told to shut up an accept Brexit.

      Mundel is going to resign for the 10th? time – with even the BBC TV ignoring him when the “Independents” moved from the tory benches.

      Yip the First Minister has got it right. We just have to be ready to move fast and hard.

    33. TheItalianJob says:

      Absolutely Hamish

      We have indeed be ready to mobilise and move “hard and fast”.

    34. The BBC/STV and the rag paper hacks in Scotland are finding it harder and harder to polish the Lab/Tory unionist turd,

      so they are attempting to polish up posh Jo with a bit of publicity brasso to see if they can get her to shine for the unionist cause,

      her every cough,belch and noxious fart will be promoted as politically profound judgements.

    35. yesindyref2 says:


      I personally think postings like yours (which I see elsewhere too) are not only necceessary, but perhaps welcomed by Sturgeon as it shows pressure from the people – something she talked about before.

      The problem is of course as you say:

      If Article 50 gets extended we could be in this limbo in the summer.

      but even more that there’s still a chance Brexit could be cancelled completely. Sturgeon did say, however, that even if Brexit is delayed Indy Ref 2 could still be called. We’ll just have to wait and see!

    36. jfngw says:

      Why do we need another referendum? Scotland has already voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU. The government needs to follow the vote of the sovereign people of Scotland.

      To those who say we didn’t vote for independence by voting remain, well all votes have consequences. In 2014 nobody voted to have our MP’s made second class at WM, have our devolved powers repatriated to WM, or even have a EU vote in the first place (only one MP from Scotland voted for it).

      On another subject, I see Steve Clarke fears sectarianism will never be eradicated from Scottish football. Of course it won’t it is the equivalent of the newspapers click-bait. When the fair being served up is so sparse in quality you need to some insentive to attract the punter.

    37. Street Andrew says:

      Nice one, Chris.

      I wish I’d got up earlier.

    38. Hamish100 says:

      fngw says:
      23 February, 2019 at 10:28 am
      Why do we need another referendum? Scotland has already voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU. The government needs to follow the vote of the sovereign people of Scotland………….

      I understand you comment – to a point. We can’t ask for a 2nd vote brexit style and not for Scottish Independence. In my day (ancient) a Majority of snp MP’s would have been enough.

      A Scottish Independence vote is necessary. We just have to win. Conditions are better now than in 2014.

    39. JLT says:

      That is a very good cartoon, Chris. Rather deep and actually speaks on so many levels of the various Unionist parties.

      While Vince Cable (and wee Willie Rennie who has decided to pinch Cable’s idea) offer dissenting MP’s a place in the Lib-Dems, it’s a dangerous move that Vince (and wee Willie) need to be really wary off. It’s basically letting a batch of cuckoo’s come and participate in one’s nest.

      The Lib-Dems aren’t exactly a party with a lot of MP’s – inviting just as many dissenting MP’s to become members of your party …could end up wrecking or changing the ideology of your party. What’s to stop the dissenting MP’s if they continue to join the Lib-Dems in ‘large numbers’ from suddenly demanding a change to the leadership and the positions of its current members. The Lib-Dems, while laughing at the moment, could in time become the third party to face internal divisions. As the old saying goes …be careful for what you wish for…

    40. Republicofscotland says:

      Nice one Chris.

      Meanwhile the Queen, and the Estated gentry in Scotland are up in arms over paying their fair share in taxes in Scotland.

    41. Fergus Green says:

      Lots of talk on this thread about Nicola having to wait util the last minute and then strike quickly, even on 29 March, if the UK Government position finally becomes clear.

      However, and please correct me if I am wrong readers, but is it not the case that the EU anti tax avoidance regulations kick in on 1 April?

      If so, and the UK has not exited the EU by then, does that mean that people like Philip May, Rees Mogg and the owners of the UK MSM titles will have to explain their income tax manoeuvres? Just imagine the backlash in the press if Article 50 is extended and the Europeans get the fine tooth comb out.

      Either way, they are playing into our hands and Nicola is well capable of holding her nerve until the optimal moment.

    42. Hamish100 says:

      Strike quickly for me can be this year. Dont want folk to just passively accept a brexit decision. At the moment we have brexit or brexit. The media are trying to imply May’s brexit is somehow “ok”. It aint.

    43. Giving Goose says:

      Re Rennie’s invitation to the other Tories to join his Tory party (you couldn’t make this up); I can see this all being wrapped up as “movement of national inity” with a convenient enemy in the SNP being identified for channeling of BritNat anger.

    44. Republicofscotland says:

      The BBC’s propaganda show Debate Night in Scotland first line up. No Billy Mitchell yet.

      John Swinney SNP.

      Monica Lennon Labour.

    45. K1 says:

      Though unlikely If we ended up in the position of remaining in cu and sm which was and I presume still is Nicola’s ‘red line’. We will still clamour for indy2 vote as the Scottish electorate must have final say in that scenario. Under ‘all’ circumstances…we have a mandate.

    46. Republicofscotland says:

      Apologies for thecabove missing names, here they are.

      Murdo Fraser Conservative.

      Poet Jenny Lindsay.

      Entrepreneur Sir Tom Hunter

    47. CameronB Brodie says:

      Giving Goose
      I can also see an “integrity” party forming and democracy being suspended for the duration. It’s happened before.


      Sorry for the early OT Rev., though it isn’t really OT.

    48. Col says:

      Had the misfortune to listen to a bunch of English folk on the radio this morning laugh and joke that Scottish people are ugly and the like. Will be putting a complaint into ofcom and never listening again to absolute radio

    49. Dr Jim says:

      Jo Swinson had that funny fake posh accent before she ever moved to England to live,I’ve got a neice and her family living in England for years they don’t have funny fake posh accents, I lived in Spain for 12 years I never ended up talking like speedy Gonzales and I actually speak Spanish, well that’s Mexico but Y’know

    50. galamcennalath says:

      Superb cartoon, again.

      Republicofscotland says:

      The BBC’s propaganda show Debate Night in Scotland first line up.

      Any political debate or paper review etc should have a 50% pro Indy panel and audiience to reflect the reality of Scotland. Going ahead with representation less that half is blatant bias and propaganda.

      That line up contains two BritNats and one Indy politician. Two of each would have been a better start. As for the others, Hunter has been very critical of an IndyRef2. Jenny Lindsay, I don’t know.

      So that seems BritNat majority either 3:2 at best, possibly 4:1 on the only game in town, the constitutional crisis.

    51. Chang Sha says:

      Apologies for O/T
      Re the nationality argy bargy in the previous post – see here:

      Note especially the 3rd last paragraph:

      “British Isles

      This is purely a geographical term – it refers to the islands of Great Britain and Ireland – including the Republic of Ireland – and the 5000 or so smaller islands scattered around our coasts. Remember this only refers to geography, not nationality, and while the Republic of Ireland is part of the British Isles, its people are not British – a very important distinction”

      This might also be of interest:

      Brilliant cartoon as usual Chris

    52. One_Scot says:

      ‘Don’t! I can’t laugh and swim at the same time’. Lol

    53. Boudicca says:

      Very interesting talk last night in Arbroath by Pete Wishart, entitled ‘we need to talk about Westminster’. Lots of background info on the shenanigans down there. He also talked about exciting stuff happening very very soon, though obviously couldn’t, be specific, but we left feeling more cheerful and optimistic. Hold the line, folks.

    54. Dr Jim says:

      QT with the BBC

      Organised on the same basis as everything else that’s British
      90% English & 10% Scottish representation with a British official in charge

      What’s everybody complaining about, that’s the way things are done fairly in Britain, you can’t treat Scotland differently can you, I mean Scotland’s not separate or anything you had a vote and you voted to be a territory of the Great Kingdom of Eng Brit eh UK there got it in the end

    55. Lenny Hartley says:

      Fegus Green theEU anti tax avoidence laws came into force on Jan 1Sth 2019 a cording to Daisy and other posters on this forum, if they were deferred ro new tax year it would be April 6th that they would be effective.

    56. Richard Hunter says:

      They are going to form a new ship at some point..

    57. Dorothy Devine says:

      Love that cartoon Chris!

      Had the misfortune to catch Willie Rennie – seems that the ‘Scottish’ Liberals only want to talk about the SNP and how BAD it is and not about what the Liberal Party is going to do or ,indeed what it stands for – if anything other than not paying their bills to the Police or getting away with little scrutiny on their election funds or lying with the protection of being an MP.

      Or selling out Scotland to its neighbour and ‘shouting shut up and eat your cereal Happy to see Scotland flushed down the plughole by the bullying , incompetent ,utterly stupid Westminster Government.

      Once upon a Joe Grimond the Liberals were a party with gravitas and integrity. Now……

    58. Hamish100 says:

      Had a laugh watching the lib dem conference and wullie rennie on the bbc.

      Everytime time Swinson’s name is mentioned bbc cut immediately to a close up of her.

      The tories version of Davidson. Tories in sheeps clothing.

    59. Meg merrilees says:

      Obvious that the media is building up Jo Swinson as an understudy for (t)Ruthless should the political scene move away from Tory ‘popularity’.

      Also she has been tipped to be the next Lib-Dem leader possibly after Vince Cable.I see the Lib-Dems are now trying to amalgamate with the rebel TIG and are prepared to even consider uniting with Tories to gain power.

      Have to laugh as I remember about a year ago having a conversation with my cousin – a staunch lib-den councillor. We were musing on how things might develop over the next few months. She stunned me by suggesting that it would be ok so long as the SNP didn’t do a deal with the Tories….. I gave her a withering stare and said that hell would freeze over before that happened and now look where we are!!!!!

      Funny how you can go off people.

      I wonder what Charles Kennedy would make of it all!

    60. Macart says:

      Neatly done Chris. 🙂

      Just seen this on twatter.

      Raises a simple question based on a simple an empirically provable fact. Mind you, just the premise of the pamphlet alone is good for a few laughs.

      ‘The SNP is using Brexit to break up the UK’.

      I mean FFS! Seriously? Whatever folk may think of the SNP, they didn’t instigate this epic shit show. They didn’t endanger international treaties, peace accords or devolution settlements. Westminster government did ALL of that. Westminster government is also currently threatening to rewrite the constitutional settlement on these islands. The SNP didn’t do that either.

      According to SiU, independence isn’t the answer. I tend to disagree with that statement, but then I would.

      How and ever, back to that very, very, simple question. Why should we, or the electorate in general, trust a word SiU has to say?

      The UK we’re looking at today bears absolutely zero resemblance to the UK going forward folks were promised in the run up to the 2014 vote. And I do mean ZERO.


      a. HMG and the Better Together campaign were less than capable of delivering on their vision and completely unaware of their lack of ability (being nice)


      b. They were being….(struggling here)… less than honest with Scotland’s population.

      An explanation for folks would be good.

      In their own time then. We’re waiting.

    61. Ghillie says:

      Socrates MacSporan @ 9.37 am

      Extremely well said =)

      Patience. Keep the heid. Hold.

    62. Meg merrilees says:

      There’s a new radio series starting tomorrow on BBC R4 at 1.30 looking at the British Isles and the first programme is considering the differences/history etc between England and Scotland.

      I can’t remember the exact words but the final sentence of the Trailer refers to …’ this place which is nothing like England’. How’s that for bias! A balanced trailer would say something like ‘these two worlds so clearly different’ or ‘these separate cultures’ NOT…. ‘…this place which is nothing like England..’

      Typical London centric BBC propaganda. Sadly won’t be able to hear it as I shall be out and about and don’t have access to I-player.

    63. Dan says:

      Haven’t noticed this link from yesterday posted yet.

      “No-deal sets the stage for Britain’s biggest negotiations”

      (It wouldn’t archive in Wayback Machine so resorted to save link with, this means it does lose some features like the embedded vid)

    64. BBC – “ The leader of the Scottish Liberal Democrats has urged disillusioned Conservative and Labour politicians to “come and talk to me”.
      They couldn’t get a word in for his gibberish excitement!

    65. CameronB Brodie says:

      Meg merrilees
      I’m not sure if it’s propaganda or simply a blinding example of English cultural chauvinism. Don’t you know London is the center of the universe? I think it’s more the latter than the former, though I suppose overbearing cultural chauvinism could be considered a form of social conditioning.

    66. Davy says:


      CONTACT: W. Rennie. –

      No longer required due to lack of credibility & policys.

      Guaranteed conference size (libdem-ukip-Dup)only.

      Price : “following libdem standards – will want lots £££ for next to nought.

    67. Jack Murphy says:

      Just found this from three days ago.

      Edinburgh Conservative Councillor is going to Vote Yes to Scottish Independence.

      Thanks to Progress Scotland on Facebook and Cllr. Ashley Graczek.

      Short Facebook video:.
      Hope the link works OK. [smile]

    68. CameronB Brodie says:

      Congratulations to Councillor Ashley Graczyk for valuing social ethics over identity.

      @Scottish Tories for Yes
      See, there is a big difference between being a Conservative and being a Tory.

    69. Meg merrilees says:


      Scottish Conservative and Unionist should just call themselves the Scottish Unionist Party and be done with it.

    70. Dr Jim says:

      Tories want to punch you in the face
      Liberal Democrats say you should complain but stay
      Labour say you should complain even more but stay

      SNP say let’s not stay to be punched in the face

      Unionist parties say leaving’s not the answer to being punched in the face

      What’s the answer then? *Bullied Together*

    71. Phronesis says:

      ‘The past two years have been littered with startling episodes of delusion and incompetence from the government, of which Theresa May’s apparent belief that major concessions will be made to her at the European Council of 21-22nd March is only the most recent. But these two years have also been littered with startling episodes of prevarication and wishful thinking from Parliamentarians…
      Much more likely is that the UK will leave the EU with “no deal” as result of the fecklessness and incompetence that the Prime Minister and her Cabinet have shown throughout the Brexit negotiations – and which they show precious little sign of remedying at this late stage’

      “Westminster might be the mother of all parliaments but it’s not the boss of other parliaments and I know the European Parliament will not vote for a withdrawal agreement that does not do right by Ireland,” Varadkar said at a Fine Gael event (the governing Irish political party of which he is a leader).

      This is the result of the WM ideologues- a feckless and incompetent elite influence that pushed an agenda rooted in racism, entitlement and cultural exclusion to whip up popular support. Racism is top down – from the very top of the WM cartel it seems- fuelling fears of loss of employment, housing and income as relative deprivation looms to detract from poor political domestic choices. Framed by stereotyping and outright cultural polarisation, the tragedy for those who swallowed this poisonous discourse hook line and sinker aided by a compliant mass media is that the worst effects of Brexit will be visited upon those least likely to be in a position to mitigate its effects.

      Jobs going? NHS collapsing, buried under deals for profit organisations ? Agricultural subsidies shrinking? Exit of the workforce that we need to keep many businesses going? It matters not if one can shift one’s money around the global markets, avoid taxation and short the markets. Little lives with their little amounts of visible monies are irrelevant, if they are homeless and hopeless it is not the concern of the WM cartel.

      Scotland will have the opportunity soon to make a sensible choice on behalf of current and future generations who want to contribute to a thriving, outward looking and inclusive small country. Scotland, the country, has already made an unequivocal democratic choice to remain an outward looking, welcoming and inclusive country – when the time comes to further assert Scotland’s autonomy it won’t be a difficult decision.

    72. Dan @1.09

      That’s come from nowhere and is a bit unnerving.
      If genuine, it breaks the deadlock argument for her deal/no deal proposition and is effectively an extension of Article 50 plus, except we will have left?

      If we leave with no deal, then am I right in thinking that the Withdrawal Bill will not apply – hence the WM power grab would not be applied? OR

      The first topics they want to consider are fishing and money ( where most of their votes could be lost) but does that mean they are assuming the powers over fishing? i.e. the power grab will happen regardless.

      If we leave with no deal, in what is seeming to be a ‘managed no deal’ have we actually left?

      Do we still have ECJ /human rights cover, will Holyrood still have powers or have these been already legislated out at 29th March 23.00 hours.

      Perfidious Albion about to pull a rabbit out of the hat?

      All a bit disconcerting – hope Nicola is across this one.

      interested to read other’s views.

    73. auld highlander says:

      Did any of you observant folks watching the rugby notice how the bastard broadcasting corporation drowned out the crowd’s singing of Flower o’ Scotland concentrating on the plaayers voices yet when the La Marseillaise was sung the crowd was clearly heard singing their anthem and nothing from the French players even though they were singing.
      Our auld friends just got their first try.

      Cool cartoon by the way.

    74. HandandShrimp says:

      Willie Rennie offering advice to disenchanted Labour and Tory MPs? Now there is a thought. This way to the political event horizon perhaps?


    75. Dorothy Devine says:

      I watched a bit of undercover boss simply because it was a Mohican casino run by a fellow called Two Dogs . He said that it was the chiefs and elders job to consider 13 generations on so that all could benefit from the plans put in place. The tribal government was financed by the casino, many worked in the casino , it supported the tribe with a kind of social security and they put money into education.. The rest went to maintenance and expansion .

      I really liked the idea of having to look forward 13 generations much like ‘ we do not inherit the earth from our ancestors we borrow it from our children’ Chief Seattle is credited with that.

      Good to know that at least some folk on this earth have foresight.

    76. Lenny Hartley says:

      Auld highlander, the beeb are only broadcasting, not directing, you can blame our old friends for that,

    77. ronnie anderson says:

      Dorothy Devine And the story goes back further than what was broadcast , being dispossessed of their native lands they were put onto reservations & when they wanted to start casino’s guess what he big white chief he say no , it would stop revenues from Atlantic City & Vagus casino’s it ended up in Court as to who owned the land big White Chief or The Mohican People . Im glad the y won out .

    78. Scott says:

      Who is in charge of the security at the Lib con if it is Police Scotland I hope Rennie will not welsh on paying up,have they ever settled the last bill the owned

    79. geeo says:


      Actually, Nicola was asked if an extension to Article 50 would delay her decision on indyref timing of “in the next few weeks” and she said emphatically NO it would NOT delay it.

      Do you really think Nicola has been touring the EU to talk about the weather ?

    80. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Meg merrilees @ 14:17,

      As I understand it, Meg, there is no coupling between the kind of exit and the extensive powers the UK will assume on exit. We will be just as vulnerable – if not even more so – than with May’s “deal”.

      The biggest diff will be for Ireland, with no-deal there will be no backstop and therefore the potential for serious amounts of trouble over the border, which at its most benigh would take the form of a (re-)unification poll. (Which might make us look like silly ditherers, but that’s another story!)

      What the article was considering was not a “managed” Brexit, at least in the first instance. It was a very novel take (for me anyway), the notion that the EU could calmly let the UK take the hit of a full-on no-deal exit, and cause it to humbled enough by the dire consequences to come back to the negotiating table with a more realistic and less arrogant approach.

      The million-dollar question in that case is whether Dis-May is willing to go along with that scenario just to get us out on timetable as promised and perhaps be more free to scrap previous red lines therafter. If so, it’s a perilous course indeed. The humiliation and other fallout could produce very unexpected consequences, and not only over Ireland. It isn’t even clear which government the UK might have, if present Tory/Labour fragmentation escalates, as it well might.

      However, by then we might have made our own moves anyway. I don’t believe that this putative course of events, were it come to pass, would hinder that at all.

      This current reasonable wish for Brexit “clarity” has its limits. There may be a point in ongoing turmoil where it will be advantageous to impose our own clarity as an attractive way out of the megaguddle.

    81. handclapping says:

      I am now expecting a re-drawing of this with the SS Cabinet Minister in due course. Except in that (those) case(s) there was something worth salvaging, and a bloody good film it was too.

    82. Abulhaq says:

      I commend this to my fellow Nicolasceptics.
      There’s never been a more golden opportunity to quit this failing Union. England is at war with itself.
      If we delay further, we and the quest for independence might well fail with it and an expectant generation will have been betrayed.

    83. galamcennalath says:

      Jeremy Hunt has pissed off Slovenia by saying it was ‘a vassal state of the Soviet Union’ when of course it was part of Yugoslavia (socialist, neutral, and certainly not under USSR domination).

      I have a profound and lifelong hatred of Tory philosophy and attitudes. However, to this is now added amazement at their levels of ignorance. Hunt is the Foreign Secretary and yet doesn’t seem to have a grasp of European geography and history. It’s not a one off – consider the arrogant bullshit directed at the Rep of Ireland. Or, virtually everything Johnson or Rees Mogg utters.

      Thatcher’s Tories were not nice people, but I don’t remember them also being thick as mince?

    84. Socrates MacSporran says:


      A very good game in Paris, with a disappointing outcome for Scotland, and a few talking points, ver-runs slightly. Lots of talking points to go over.

      But, no, Auntie BBC decides, we have to be dragged immediately away from Paris to Cardiff – so that we don’t miss a second of their half-hour build-up about how wonderful England are.

      Know your place you Sweaties. You don’t matter, it’s all about England.

    85. Gary45% says:

      Yet another classic Chris, your “toons” are one of the highlights of the week.
      Nice One.
      Tories playing hide and seek in Inverness this morning, didn’t bother engaging with them as other more important priorities were on the go.

    86. Clootie says:

      Nicola has played a blinder by waiting. It now doesn’t matter if Art50 gets delayed because people have had the chance to see Westminster collapse without the distraction of demands for a Scottish Independence during the talks. Nicola cannot be blamed for the chaos surrounding the votes.

      People are also beginning to realise that no matter the result of any votes the travel will be to the right and the gap between the UK and Europe will grow ever wider. If they open their eyes a bit more they will detect the door being opened to America and lower food standards and the privatisation of the NHS.

      As the cartoon suggests the rats are on the run and they will soon turn on each other. The LibDems will demand we go down with the ship. Labour will go down with the ship due to indecision. The Tories will take private jobs in the USA takeover.

      The time to go approaches fast.

    87. Effijy says:

      We Willie Rennie promoting a possible alliance with the new English Independent Group. Seem that could work together and not field candidates where they might dilute the voters who can keep SNP out and Westminster’s boot on Scotland’s throat.

      I see yet another Tory MP is caught fiddling his expenses.

      I see another Labour MP has resigned.

      No Deal Brexit only 5 weeks away.

      I see the big story is pigeons killing Scottish NHS Patients
      and the SNP bad on work place car parking even though it doesn’t exist.

    88. Lenny Hartley says:

      galamcennalath @4.22 yot post reminds me of the story when Robin Cook was a Labour Foreign Secretary, when he took over that office of State, apparently there was a huge oil painting celebrating the British Rule over Dark skinned people, Cook decreed that was too Imperialistic and had it replaced by a huge oil painting of Oliver Cromwell, First official foregn dignitory to his office since the Cromwell painting went up was the Irish Foreign Minister,
      If anybody is wondering what Cromwell did to Ireland i recommend you get a copy of Peter Berresford Ellis book entitled to Hell or Connaught. This is the choice given to the Irish by Cromwell be killed or be transported to Connaught where conditions were so poor you would have little chance surviving. Morrissey of the Smiths mentions it in a song “The English are sick to death of Labour and Tories
      And spit upon the name Oliver Cromwell and denounce this royal line that still salutes him
      And will salute him forever.”

    89. Lenny Hartley says:

      Re last posr perils of trying to multitask like watch the rugby, anwser messenger and post on Wos, should be that Morrissey mentions Cromwell in a song!

    90. Bobp says:

      Get back in your kennel Scotland. Yo englands bitch.

    91. yesindyref2 says:

      Ah well, vive The Auld Alliance, nice of Scotland to turn up for the odd few minutes to allow France to show off.

    92. Iain 2 says:

      Who would give money to the failing rag the hootsman don’t click on the link.

    93. Legerwood says:

      Robert J. Sutherland says:
      23 February, 2019 at 4:08 pm
      Meg merrilees @ 14:17,

      “”As I understand it, Meg, there is no coupling between the kind of exit and the extensive powers the UK will assume on exit. We will be just as vulnerable – if not even more so – than with May’s “deal”.

      The biggest diff will be for Ireland, with no-deal there will be no backstop and therefore the potential for serious amounts of trouble over the border, which at its most benigh would take the form of a (re-)unification poll. (Which might make us look like silly ditherers, but that’s another story!)””



      I think I would take the opposite view about an Irish re-unification poll if they go for that.

      Rather than making us look like ditherer it would in fact strengthen the likelihood of a second indyref and increase the likelihood of a Yes vote.

      An Irish re-unification referendum would ‘normalise’ such a referendum as a response to Brexit and thus Scotland holding indyref2. Furthermore it would mean that, in the event of a Yes to re-unification, the break-up of the UK would already be underway and not laid solely at Scotland’s door.

      That is likely to be important for those Scots who have some sort of residual loyalty to the idea of the UK. If it is already breaking up then them voting Yes in indyref2 would not be initiating the break-up.

      Could be wrong of course but I think you have to look for the positives and in doing so make situations work for you.

    94. Tinto Chiel says:

      @Lennie Hartley @5.04: good anecdote about Mr Cook.

      Whether in Drogheda or Dundee, Cromwell was pretty vile.

    95. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Clootie @ 16:46:

      Nicola cannot be blamed for the chaos surrounding the votes,

      Very true, but the usual suspects are still trying! =sigh=

      However it’s getting so transparent to almost everyone now that it’s surely backfiring.

    96. Gary45% says:

      Wee Wullie Rennie, runin thru the toon,
      Here, there, everywhere lookin like a cloon,
      Wi his pals Jo an Vince,
      wi knowledge pretty sparse,
      All the punters tellin them,
      “stick your policies up your a*rse”

      The Liberal Dums in crisis,
      They huvnae got a clue,
      Seein wee Wullies coupon,
      is enough to mak ye spew.

      When Wullie looked in tae the crowd,
      seein awe they empty seats,
      Never missin an photie shoot,
      he began tae greet,
      Sumday fae thon BBC,
      Feelin sorry fur his state,
      Blamed thon nasty SNP,
      fur his parties sorry fate.

      Feel free to add on.

    97. CameronB Brodie says:

      Archive of Scotsman article.

    98. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Legerwood @ 17:26,

      I do agree, actually. I have evidently failed to make sufficiently clear my point on that! An Irish border poll would surely shame us into following suit, if by then there was still any residual reluctance.

      Better of course to be ahead of the curve, but whatever it takes…

    99. Tinto Chiel says:

      O/T but may be of interest: good Waspi Women march today from Festival Park to Govan Cross. Difficult to estimate numbers but maybe two or three hundred marchers, with quite a large police presence.

      Good speeches from the FM and Mhairi Black in particular. Message: keep on keeping on, Waspi Women!

      Mary Barbour wore Waspi and Suffragette regalia for the occasion.

      As usual, NS mingled with the crowd and there were plenty of selfies.

    100. galamcennalath says:

      Cook decreed that was too Imperialistic and had it replaced by a huge oil painting of Oliver Cromwell

      Funny how BritNat Scots don’t see Cromwell in the same light as the Irish do!

      No doubt it’s because the Irish have ‘updated’ their history over the last 100years. Scotland’s history is still very much seen through the occupiers’ eyes.

      “September 1, 1651 the day a fifth of Dundee’s population were massacred … Across this prosperous and well-ordered city Monck’s troops smashed into homes robbing, killing and r8ping. … The plunder was exceptional and the murder without equal in Scotland’s history. “

    101. Glamaig says:

      galamcennalath says:
      23 February, 2019 at 5:42 pm

      ‘Scotland’s history is still very much seen through the occupiers’ eyes’

      Another example is that many people see the Jacobite risings as a Protestant/Catholic thing.

      In fact virtually the entire Jacobite army in 1715 and around 70% of the Jacobite army at Culloden were Episcopalians – a post-reformation Protestant church which was the original ‘Church of Scotland’

      Also some at Culloden were Presbyterian:

      There were other Episcopalian priests on Drummossie Moor at the Battle of Culloden. Both the Muster Roll of the Prince’s Army and the List of Prisoners of the Rising contain the names of several chaplains. Clan Cameron took its motto Let us Unite seriously and was an ecumenical clan. Three chaplains are listed in the muster roll – the Reverend Duncan Cameron, of Fortingall (Episcopalian), the Reverend Alexander Cameron, brother of the Chief, (Roman Catholic) and the Reverend John Cameron, of Fort William (Presbyterian).

    102. galamcennalath says:

      Tinto Chiel says:

      Whether in Drogheda or Dundee, Cromwell was pretty vile.

      From what I can gather, the massacres were of similar magnitudes. Perhaps 3500 at Drogheda, 2500 at Dundee. It looks like Dundee’s deaths were proportionally greater among civilians. Truly awful events.

      Every Irish person will know about Drogheda. How many Scots know about Dundee’s similar misfortune two years later?

    103. Bobp says:

      Galamcennalath 5.42pm Nothing like a bit of airbrushing of history by the occupiers.

    104. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      RE: Dundee and Monck.

      When the City Churches’ gardens were being renovated quite a number of years ago, many skeletons were found around the foot of the Auld Steeple.

      A quote from the following link:-
      “In the middle of the 17th century, Dundee was besieged again, this time by the English General Monk.
      Being a well-fortified and thriving Royalist stronghold, Dundee withstood the siege for six weeks until the garrison and many innocent citizens were betrayed and massacred, and the Governor was ignominiously beheaded after three days heroic defence of the Great Tower of St. Mary.
      Periodic excavations in Nethergate unearth human skeletons and bones, probably victims of Monk’s massacre.”

      Also, from 1960,

      “Mass Grave Found in Nethergate”

    105. Bobp says:

      RJS 5.41pm. I think that might swing indy for scotland, if the irish shame can us into it by doing it first.hope so.

    106. Bobp says:

      Can shame us into it first.

    107. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Glamaig @ 17:53:

      Episcopalians – a post-reformation Protestant church which was the original ‘Church of Scotland’

      Oh dear, not only a tautology, but a conclusion that can only be reached by employing a great deal of sophistry. In Scotland (as in the Low Countries and present-day Switzerland), the great religious reforms of the 16th Century were most definitely Calvinist in nature, not Episcopalian, which was a solely English development caused by the personal difficulties Henry VIII eventually had with the Mother Church.

      Indeed, it was the subsequent attempt by Charles II to foist the latter onto an already firmly-established organic reformed church which caused such violent ructions as the Covenanter uprising. So only the “established church” by English diktat. (‘Twas ever thus.)

      The only subset of the Scottish population among whom Episcopalianism took significant root was the landed gentry. (As it largely remains in their descendants today.)

    108. galamcennalath says:

      Bobp says:

      Nothing like a bit of airbrushing of history by the occupiers.

      Makes you wonder what all those historians in Scottish universities have been doing with their time? Selective research? Research not known widely? Or, collective complicity with the BritNat version of events?

    109. Iain 2 says:

      O/t I was watching on u tube the Rev Iain Paisley stating that Tony Blairs government was willing to cut Northern Ireland adrift unless he signed up to the good Friday agreement.
      Wonder if that thought has crossed our prime ministers mind.

    110. Bobp says:

      I would guess collective complicity to keep their cushy jobs and pensions.

    111. Tom Kane says:

      Chris, it looks like you had a lot of fun with this one. Everywhere in it there’s something funny about our mad politics world.

      For me, this is an utter classic. I’d have it on our equivalent of the ceiling of the sistine chappell… Wherever that is…

      But somewhere high enough up to be safe from vandals, and something to look up to and marvel at.


    112. Petra says:

      Chris I reckon that your latest cartoon highlights that you’re being pretty pessimistic about the situation, especially if you take into account that Gavin Williamson, fireplace and pottery salesman come Secretary of State for Defence, has it all in hand.


      @ Dr Jim says at 11:53 am …. ”Jo Swinson had that funny fake posh accent before she ever moved to England to live, I’ve got a niece and her family living in England for years they don’t have funny fake posh accents, I lived in Spain for 12 years I never ended up talking like speedy Gonzales and I actually speak Spanish, well that’s Mexico but Y’know.”

      She’s supposed to be the MP for East Dunbartonshire. I wonder if her constituents are aware of the fact that she’s living in England? How can she do her job properly? Aw right …. she doesn’t.


      @ galamcennalath says at 4:22 pm …. ”Jeremy Hunt has pissed off Slovenia by saying it was ‘a vassal state of the Soviet Union’ when of course it was part of Yugoslavia (socialist, neutral, and certainly not under USSR domination). I have a profound and lifelong hatred of Tory philosophy and attitudes. However, to this is now added amazement at their levels of ignorance. Hunt is the Foreign Secretary and yet doesn’t seem to have a grasp of European geography and history. It’s not a one off – consider the arrogant bullshit directed at the Rep of Ireland. Or, virtually everything Johnson or Rees Mogg utters. Thatcher’s Tories were not nice people, but I don’t remember them also being thick as mince?”

      Levels of ignorance? It’s been a REAL eye-opener galamcennalath with Karen Bradley, Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, admitting that ”she was profoundly ignorant of the country’s political divisions and “slightly scared” of the place” and of course Dominic Raab, ex-Brexit secretary, being another example …. of many. The upside to Brexit is that it has divulged that it’s a bunch of birdbrained clowns that are running the show. Let’s hope that non-political Scots have noticed.

    113. Lenny Hartley says:

      Well done Wales, didnt know there were so many 80 minute patriots there 🙂

    114. Bobp says:

      When i was 10 yr old we left Scotland to move to Ireland ( i went to st johns in the gorbals in the 60’s.). I dont know too much about Scottish history, other than what i learned myself in later years. But i can tell you all about the 1916 easter rebellion. Boys of wexford, black and tans etc, every period of irish history. Nothing airbrushed or left out. Which would have been had Ireland not won her independence. I think this is why some of the scottish population have a lack of self worth.

    115. hackalumpoff says:

      @Tinto Chiel at 5:33 pm

      The Barsteward still lingers in Stornoway at Olivers Brae and Cromwell Street. As with the Mannie at Golspie, we will so enjoy dealing with these anachronisms in our own good time ?

    116. Glamaig says:

      Robert J. Sutherland says:
      23 February, 2019 at 6:28 pm

      ‘Episcopalian, which was a solely English development caused by the personal difficulties Henry VIII eventually had with the Mother Church’

      Episcopal Church is a native Scottish church. It is the only member of the Anglian communion not to be an offshoot of the Church of England.

      In 1560 the Scottish Parliament removed the Popes authority in Scotland. Reformation stage 1. The Presbyterian church did not become the established church in Scotland until 1592. Until then the Episcopal church was the Church of Scotland.

      John Knox progressed from reforming Catholic priest, to the Episcopal church and eventually started following Calvin.

      However my point is that the Jacobite risings were not Catholic risings as some people think. Catholicism had been illegal since 1560 and were only around 1-2% of the population by 1745.

    117. Luigi says:

      The different BritNat factions are tearing themselves apart over Brexit. Only one thing would definitely unite them – guaranteed:

      A premature Scottish independence referendum.

      Now why would we want to do that?

      The MSM would have a field day: “Oh Look an Indy Squirrel!” followed quickly by “No Surrender!”. The WM civil war has just kicked off. Never interrupt your enemy.

      We will get our chance, folks. Best to let the dust settle first. Not long now, but the Brexit Express still has a few yards of track before it hits the buffers.

      Just saying. 🙂

    118. jfngw says:

      I would think that for most Scots the scales must have fallen from their eyes at the contempt WM politicians have for Scots. Unfortunately it is also held by a number of politicians from the BritNat parties here, truly the house Jocks that will take any insult as long as they feel they have personally gained.

      If we are looking for odious politicians there are, as far as I can tell, plenty to see within the BritNat based in Scotland parties (100% in the LibDems, can anybody name one with any redeeming features).

      Remember the only parties that are against independence are not Scottish and are financed by another country.

    119. gus1940 says:

      Good old BBC.

      They could hardly wait after the final whistle to go over to the Cardiff build-up after the briefest of post match analysis.

      After that not a mention of the SF game until the news with a few seconds.

    120. hackalumpoff says:

      WTF is it with emojiis on this site ???

    121. K1 says:

      WordPress doesn’t recognise emoji’s, emoticons format hackalumpoff.

      You have to use old fashioned colons and semi colons and brackets to make ‘smilies’ appear btl on here.

      So for a smile:

      Colon : dash – right hand bracket )

      Altogether 🙂

      For a wink:

      Semi colon ; dash – right hand bracket )

      Altogether 😉

      For a wee sad smiley:

      Colon : dash – left hand bracket (

      Altogether 🙁

      For an eyeroll:

      Colon : the word roll then colon :

      Altogether 🙄

    122. K1 says:

      Fur when yer really annoyed:


    123. K1 says:

      Colon : the word mad then colon

      Altogether 😡

      Kinda permanent state of affairs these days 😉

    124. hackalumpoff says:

      @K1 thanks for that, I tried to cut and paste an emojii from another post but it failed.
      I’m obviously as good at cut and paste as Tinto was yesterday LOL.
      Looks like I’ll have to dig out my old DOS shortcuts from 1992.

    125. K1 says:

      Welcome hackalumpoff, they just come up as question marks unless ye physically input them. 😆

    126. mike cassidy says:

      The sands of emoji ma.

    127. Tinto Chiel says:

      “As with the Mannie at Golspie, we will so enjoy dealing with these anachronisms in our own good time ?”

      Do you have a plan, hackalumpoff?

      I believe money for it was raised by subscription (!).

      From his “grateful tenantry”, so it is said.


      Thanks, K1.

    128. heraldnomore says:

      Wee Wullie’s Works Do in Hamilton Town Hall. They’re not even on the stage. They’ve built their own wee platform halfway down the hall floor. So they can’t even half fill half the hall.

      Winnie Ewing took to the stage in that same hall.

    129. yesindyref2 says:

      Well, what a day. Before today I would have said and think I did say that England were unbeatable. But Wales held them in the first half and broke them in the second. Scotland take note. Looking back to the Scotland match, they were there for the third half. But perhaps one mistake that counted was that Townsend should have sent on the forwards just 5 minutes earlier, and with a litle less desperation to get the points back, that in turn could have broken France.

    130. mike cassidy says:

      Interesting article.

      The Independent Group is go – but how do you become a political party in the UK?

      Among other things

      “…the treasurer would have to supply all the details about their financing. This would open them up to financial scrutiny that they can currently avoid.”

      So maybe we’ll find out how many bags of money have been handed over by the Israeli embassy!

    131. Daisy Walker says:

      @ Fergus Green re Tax Haven Legislation…

      I had printed it off, kept it, and would you believe, last night – thought hmm don’t think I need to keep this anymore and chucked it… tis always the way.

      From memory, the EU tax haven legislation came into being 1/1/19, however, it is being implemented/ratified in stages, the next big implementation part of the legislation coming in June or July ’19 and another chunk next year.

      The accepted wisdom from the tax lawyers was (and this was before Terrible May’s deal was brokered) that if we left on 29/3/19 the EU would not pursue this 3 month period.

      If an extension is/was granted to A50 then it would… and they would start pursuing this – however, Terrible May’s deal managed the previously unheard of (which is why although the tories would prefer No Deal – and sell of NHS, etc, they can also live quite happily on TM’s deal, if they have to) in that it allows for ‘sort of’ alignment and cobbled together trade – but with the unique bit being – any disputes will be adjudicated under British Laws – not Euroean Court of Justice… and that means no EU Tax Haven Legislation.

      (If the ECJ is in charge then you have to accept ALL their laws, not just dump the ones you don’t like).

      I’m not sure if that helps clarify things a bit, and I’m sorry I can’t point you to the source. It wasn’t hard to find in all honesty – a wee bit of Googling and speed reading did the trick.

      One last bit re the EU Tax Haven Laws – they are not imposing or setting tax levies – just insisting that the Banks in the Off Shores itemise, quantify accounts and name a person responsible for them so that the home countries can tax them according to their own rules.

      I’d love for someone to work out and Ask in HoC how much tax revenues the UK is likely to raise for the economy if it is rolled out and enforced. Rather a lot I’d suggest.

      Kind regards to all. Very glad to hear Pete Wishart talking strongly and positively about the future – I hope and pray.

    132. Dan says:

      Robert J. Sutherland says:
      23 February, 2019 at 4:08 pm

      “This current reasonable wish for Brexit “clarity” has its limits. There may be a point in ongoing turmoil where it will be advantageous to impose our own clarity as an attractive way out of the megaguddle.”

      Aye, one indeed does wonder just how much and what type of further “clarity” is required.
      All those various impact assessment studies that found Scotland and latterly the UK leaving the EU would have negative effects pretty much across the board in societal and economic terms.
      We’re already currently having to endure significant negative effects before “leaving” (in whatever shape or form it may or may not manifest in) has even occurred.
      This damage which will be difficult to come back from or even mitigate against with the limited powers (which may be reduced further) we have is in the process of being done.

      Which comes back to the following:

      “We believe that the Scottish Parliament should have the right to hold another referendum if there is clear and sustained evidence that independence has become the preferred option of a majority of the Scottish people – or if there is a significant and material change in the circumstances that prevailed in 2014, such as Scotland being taken out of the EU against our will”.

      It states “being taken out of the EU against our will”. I read that as in the process of or it would have said “having been taken out of the EU against our will”.

      Of course the “such as” in itself could cover all sorts of stuff, like you know, having an EU ref. foisted upon us in the first place by a party that broke electoral law to gain power, then an EU ref “winning” result being obtained by a campaign that was also found to have broken the law and undermined democratic principles, etc, etc…

      It’s so very apt the ship theme of Chris’s cartoon.
      When I worked on boats and rigs the safety training was to quickly and safely get to the muster stations and lifeboats to give as much time as possible in case there were extra issues arising with the launch process or the boat’s engine wouldn’t start.
      You don’t muck around with brinkmanship trying to find your phone charger or iron your underwear before putting on your life preserving immersion suits.

    133. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      heraldnomore at 7.40

      Memories. I chaired the eve of poll at Hamilton and we were expecting a few hundred. Ludovic Kennedy announced he was with us and was coming to speak. Somwhere between two and three thousand turned up and filled the hall,the balconies and the passageways.
      I (as a 25 year old who had never chaired anything vaguely like this before figuratively shat myself) and was probably incoherent but it didn’t matter. It was cheering from the word go. We knew we were doing well but were afraid to dream. But that night I will never forget (not least because my young brother was there with the Strathclyde University Labour Club shouting all the way through).

      Interestingly a young Labour star from Ayrshire had come into our rooms at Peacock Cross and told us he believed we were winning. “They’re sitting down in the Labour Rooms drinking tea” he said “and they won’t believe me”. That was a guy called Jim Sillars.

    134. Cactus says:

      Anbuddy ever tried to swim and laugh at the same time… it’s excellent fun, you should try it sometime, backstroke recommended. 🙂

      THE ‘Labour’ ABSTAINER, is the ship on the east side:

      This was written and released in 1987 by Sonny:

      Fuckin’ denied at 3mins 09secs by Vevo:

      Notice how there are no longer any Unionist politicians on board either of their broken ships, they have already gone overboard and under, are about to go down with their unrespective boats, or they are indeed also the present day equivalent of ‘spitting image political rats’.

      Notice also how THE MAYDAY craft has already split-in-two, this is the part where the bow goes vertical and bobs up n down in the water furra couple ah minutes before going down to the bottom of the English Channel. Aye may share a familiar and demonstrative video wae ye’s laters…

      “What’s that you say Coastguard… both of their boats struck their iceberg on route from Dover to mainland Europe in broad daylight on a calm and clear day”

      Yeah, both common rats and political rats are always the last to leave a sinking ship.

      Know-tah-benny: Jist so’s ye’s knows “The Wets” represents “TIG”

    135. hackalumpoff says:

      @ Tinto at 7:39 pm

      “Do you have a plan, hackalumpoff?”

      Yes I do, but is locked in the same safe as the date for Indyref2.

      Hope that code worked K1.

    136. yesindyref2 says:

      That’s an interesting article, and a new take on the situation. Can’t work the implications out straight away.

    137. Fergus Green says:

      Daisy Walker 7.59

      thanks for that 🙂

    138. yesindyref2 says:

      Mmm, a very quick analysis says that it could and would affect things BEFORE March 29th as the UK Gov would cleraly be aware of it. So it could make a no-deal more likely, plus also perhaps give the UK Gov more bargaining power to get changes, even including the Backstop,

    139. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      A closer look at those defectors from the Labour Party shows that they are nearly al members of the Friends of Israel organisation. Jeremy Corbyn has been an outspoken supporter of Palestine.
      Last thing Israel wants is a UK PM who supports the Palestinians. That’s why Corbyn has to be destroyed.
      So callled “anti semitism” in the Labour party has probably mainly been anti Isreali Government sentiment deliberately wrongly described. The Palestinians are semitic.

    140. Cactus says:

      The more ye look at this fine Cairnstoon ’19 piece, the more it looks like “THE Labour ABSTAINER” ship has run aground! and is destined to become one of those rusting wrecks ye see dotted around the coastlines of Earth.

      “S.S. IRRELEVANT” sank achwhile bach, somewhere out at sea, nearby a mystery fantasy island – they couldn’t even make it over to their Tory politicians self-formed international iceberg – there there there they now reside on their castaway adrift paradise.

      Important reminder: “Rrremember Captain May (yerra womble), in the event of emergency the captain is supposed to go down with their ship… how’s that view lookin’ frae yer bridge, captain?”

      BREAKING: Theresa goes in and makes a surprise move!:

    141. Aikenheed says:

      What luigi ses at 7.02. Wise words

    142. McDuff says:

      And earlier in the day the SvF kick off was mentioned swiftly followed by ” and then its the BIG game England v Wales”. Its all about England.
      When Scotland is playing against Wales Ireland Italy or France there always has to be an English commentator and a presence in the studio just to emphasise that we are in charge.

    143. Dr Jim says:

      Mike Russell called Gavin Williamson the UK governments *Private Pike*

    144. K1 says:

      Wonderful…Labour getting torn into by SNP’s Susan Aitken at Glasgow City Council meeting on 21st February. Share this footage as much as ye can as she tears them to pieces about their conduct over the past ten years denying women’s equal pay. And rightly demonstrates what a shower of morally bankrupt hypocritical bastards the lot of them were and are:

      And if this has already been posted it is worth reposting over and over again, let there be no hiding place for Labour at every level of government in Scotland, we are yet to remove these utterly useless careerist gits from all positions of influence and power in our city’s, our local councils and our national politics.

      Susan Aitken is a breath of fresh air and an articulate sight to behold, more of this please.

    145. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Dave McEwan Hill –

      Totally agree.

      Rev raised an interesting one on Twitter last night, asking why a comment he made about gender-related stuff had a very high ratio of likes to RTs. It’s surely simple fear of drawing the wrath of zealots.

      Same applies to the Israeli lobbies in our political system – so many folk, especially journalists, seem to be genuinely terrified of crossing them in any way. The conflation of anti-semitism with anti-zionism is tried and tested but the only reason it works is general ignorance. That’s where msm compliance is so vital.

    146. Cactus says:

      Pan the image 180 degrees to YOUR left and YOU will see, that YOU control YOUR destiny and sailing ships will pass you by:

      More from Tabletop Theresa the Terrible:

      Can ye feel that overhanging UKexit feeling hanging in the air… it’s like an invisible smog, ye can see it in the affectings and effectings of the People, everyday people.

      It’s like, if there are Air-waves and Micro-waves, then mibbies there are “Brexit-waves” pure hingin’ and mingin’ awe aroond us in the Air.

      Scientists say… The Perfect Storm should clear the Air.

    147. ronnie anderson says:

      Bill Glen
      Ahm wondering who could have Done this, Because we are To Poor To Wee and To Stupid To stand oan our own 2 Feet 😀
      Alexander Cummings, from Edinburgh flushing toilet.

      James Young Simpson, anaesthesia

      William Cullen, the refrigerator

      Alan MacMasters, the toaster

      Bleaching of Industrial Textiles – Charles Tennant (1768-1838)

      Carbon Dioxide – Joseph Black (1728-1799)

      Chloroform Pioneer – Sir James Y Simpson (1811-1870)

      Coal Gas Lighting – William Murdoch (1754 – 1839)

      Electromagnetic Theory of Light – James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879)

      Kaleidoscope – Sir David Brewster (1781-1868)

      Logarithms – John Napier (1550-1617)

      “Noble Gases” (neon, krypton, xenon) – Sir William Ramsay (1852-1916)

      Radar – Sir Robert Watson-Watt (1892-1973)

      Scurvy Prevention – James Lind (1716-1794)

      Speedo Swimwear – Alexander MacRae (circa 1890-1935)

      Ultrasound in Obstetrics – Ian Donald (1910-1987)

      Vacuum Flask – Sir James Dewar (1842-1923)

      Waterproof Clothing – Charles Macintosh (1766-1843)

      Bill Glen keeps getting banned from Facebook for posting things such as this . Please Share this Widely .

    148. Doesn’t a lot of the Labour party anti-semitism stem from the hoo-ha around the International Holcaust Remembrance Alliance definition document which Corbyn did not accept in full as he wanted free speech to be able to critics Israeli actions against Palestine.

      As you say, how can we have a PM who is to friendly towards the state of Israel, look how much Trump does to court their friendship, even moving his embassy to Jeruslem.

      It’s like the White helmets all over again, Friends of Israel have achieved the Heiniken effect – reaching all levels of governments world wide, and parts we can’t even know about … yet.

      Listening to a Labour MP today who is proposing an amendment next week that WM accepts T may’ deal on the promise that she will then go to a second referendum and stand or fall by the result .
      When asked if he actually supported T may’s deal his reply was that ‘Labour would abstain’ in the vote to allow the deal to go through.

      I’m sick and fed up of Labour MP’s abstaining. They are paid to vote, not sit on their hands and their principles are so eroded that they would actually hold their noses and allow a bad deal to go through….

      Time they were all replaced.

    149. CameronB Brodie says:

      galamcennalath says @ 6:37 pm
      Bobp says:

      “Nothing like a bit of airbrushing of history by the occupiers.”

      Indeed, British historiography has served a central role in the creation and maintenance of the “One Nation” myth.

      What is history?

      The British State and its Historiography

      Historiography from below: how undergraduates remember
      learning history at school

    150. Cactus says:

      Evenin’ Meg and howde do.

      “I’m sick and fed up of Labour MP’s abstaining. They are paid to vote, not sit on their hands and their principles are so eroded that they would actually hold their noses and allow a bad deal to go through….”

      SO here’s another random progressive notion… if politicians are paid to vote for the People they represent… SHOULD they CHOOSE to abstain from a vote… they should incur a financial penalty… like let’s start betting at, say £500.00 per abstention?

      Then have said collected abstention fines donated to worthwhile charities, that way everyone wins!

      That would get them voting in no time, or would it?

    151. Famous15 says:

      The odious Jo Swansong?

    152. Lenny Hartley says:

      Ronnie, does bill have an exhaustive list of Scottish inventions? Off the top of my heid
      I can add the TV, the phone and the fax machine in the world of telecomms alone.

    153. Fireproofjim says:

      K1 @9.50
      Who is this wonderful Susan Aitken getting tore intae the venal and idle Glasgow Labour Councillors and why have I not heard of her before.? Mind you I live in Edinburgh.
      That was wonderful and she should be offered a seat in Holyrood ASAP where she will be a star.
      The SNP are blessed with some powerful and confident women.

    154. Dorothy Devine says:

      Sad for Scotland but boy oh boy wee Wales – giants among rugby!

      Ronnie , I have been a fan of the native americans since I was knee high to a grasshopper. Their philosophy on all things was impressive and as the man said we had much to learn from them.

    155. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. British history. ‘If you control the past and you control the future’ – Orwell.

      Structures and Transformations in Modern British History

      The Beginnings of Modern British Social History?

      Beyond Class
      Social Structures and Social Perceptions in Modern England

    156. I like that idea Cactus… we could dock their wages for each time they abstained.

      It’s counter-productive – would soon cure it though.

    157. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Fireproofjim –

      Kin right.

      All that wee video was lacking was a close-up of yon MacAveety’s coupon as she mercilessly fingered him!


    158. Cactus says:

      Aye Meg, mibbies five hunner is not enough, £1,000 per abstention it is.

      Aussi, just out of image in the background is “THE UKIPPER” vessel, coming to seek out and collect the two wet-rats swimming about out front… here it was going for an earlier re-fit:

      U-know what ah mean…

    159. yesindyref2 says:

      @Chang Sha
      Re the nationality argy bargy in the previous post – see here:

      British Isles
      This is purely a geographical term

      The ordnance survey calls itself “Ordnance Survey (OS) – Britain’s [1] mapping agency”. It’s British, they would say that.

      [1] which excludes Northern Ireland in terms of the political definition

    160. P G McLaughlin says:

      Is the Cnclr Graham mentioned by Susan Aitken the husband of Johan Lamont?

    161. CameronB Brodie says:

      British historiography has only recently adopted a “Four Nations” approach to it’s practice (1980s ?). Previously, British historiography bought into the “One Nation” bollocks.

      What is Social History?

      e History and Development of the English Class System

      Multiculturalism in contemporary Britain: policy, law and theory

    162. Tackety Beets says:

      Ref Scottish Inventions

      I thought I read ma y moons ago a mannie fae Tain / Balintore invented the ATM? maybe it was another product?

      However the pin Number is credited to James Goodfellow.

      I think the list would be endless.

    163. Thepnr says:

      James Chalmers of Arbroath invented the adhesive postage stamp, however this claim is denied in some quarters.

      James Chalmers was born in Arbroath in 1782 and later worked as a bookseller and printer in Dundee.

      It is claimed Mr Chalmers thought of the idea of an adhesive stamp in about 1834 and passed his plans to parliament in 1839.

      However, when the Penny Black was introduced in 1840 the credit went to Kidderminster man Rowland Hill.

      Robert Murray, who owns a stamp shop in Edinburgh, said: “Rowland Hill wasn’t very keen on the idea of adhesive postage stamps; James Chalmers was one person who strongly put forward the idea.

      “It seems Rowland Hill only wanted to take the claim for it once they had become popular with the public.

      “It’s always the winners that write history. Rowland Hill, after the event, became a very admired and acknowledged person in the UK, given positions of power, including within the Post Office.

      Just a few miles away in Carmyllie it is claimed that James Bowman Lindsay invented the light bulb, he was the proposer of an underwater cable across the Atlantic for telegraphs as well as composing a dictionary in 50 different languages.

      There’s been more than a few bright Scots.

    164. Tom Busza says:

      Ref Scottish Inventions.

      Here’s a good start

    165. Without James Clerk Maxwell there would have been no Albert Einstein.

    166. hackalumpoff says:

      @ Tackety beets

      MAY 20, 2010 LONDON — John Shepherd-Barron, a Scotsman credited with inventing the automated teller machine in the 1960s, died on Saturday in Scotland. He was 84 and lived in Portmahomack, a Scottish coastal town.

    167. CameronB Brodie says:

      History can be used as a tool for social emancipation, as well as for social domination. That’s why HMG’s accounts remain closed to Scottish inspection. We have to rely on GERS instead, an accounting system designed to rob Scotland blind (i.e. scientific racism).

      Accounting, slavery and social history: The legacy of an eighteenth-century Portuguese chartered company


      Based on extensive archival research, this study documents and analyses the accounting techniques that the Companhia Geral do Grão Pará e Maranhão applied to its slave trading operations during the second half of the eighteenth century. The surviving accounting records of this Portuguese chartered company reveal – in meticulous detail – the integral role that accounting technology played in enabling the slave trade to flourish.

      However, and paradoxically, while evidencing this culpability the same accounting records also document the essential humanity of the slaves and preserve details of the bleak circumstances of their existence. Slaves are typically lamented as a lost people consigned to a tragic and an eternal anonymity, but it is from accounting records that many aspects of their lives can be reconstructed. In this way, the accounting records studied are also shown to provide a latent source of social history that constitutes a profound mea culpa.

      Keywords accounting history, archival research, Portugal, slavery, social history

    168. jezza says:

      Alex Salmond show starts 1.30am on RTtv.

      For anybody who likes to keep up to date with what Eck us getting up to.

    169. Chick McGregor says:

      Some biggies off the top of my head.

      Alexander Fleming – antibiotics

      James Gregory –
      The calculus (i.e. the reciprocity relationship of derivatives and integrals).
      The reflecting telescope.
      The diffraction grating.
      The first proof of the calculus.
      The first mathematical series from which the value of pi could be calculated in Europe (a much earlier and largely forgotten version had been devised in India, but was quite unknown to Europeans at the time).
      The, so called, ‘Taylor’ series.
      Other work on series included tests, possibly the first, for convergence and divergence.
      The suggestion that the transit of Venus could be used to accurately measure the distance of the Earth to the Sun. Unfortunately, due to his untimely death and the rarity of optimal astronomical conditions this suggestion was only carried out long after he died.

      Patrick Matthew – Theory of natural selection. Actually, a well established theory in Scottish academia from at least the time of Lord Monboddo (James Burnett) nearly a hundred years before Darwin came up to do his degree at Edinburgh. But it is Matthew whom Darwin was forced to acknowledge had priority in subsequent publications of Origin of Species.

      John Logie Baird, the first live transmission of moving images i.e. Television.

      Charles Wilson – The cloud chamber, which allowed the first tracking of radioactive particles and hence virtually started the science of particle physics.

    170. CameronB Brodie says:

      IMHO, the most significant Scottish invention is epistemology. Here’s one for Tory fanboy, David Torrance.

      Significance of Epistemological Beliefs for Teaching and Learning Psychology: A Review


      Beliefs about the nature of knowledge, termed ‘epistemological beliefs’, are relevant to understanding educational strategies of both learners and teachers. Epistemological beliefs arguably have particular relevance in the discipline and profession of psychology, due to an emphasis on integration of knowledge from multiple theoretical perspectives. This article provides an overview of peer-reviewed literature in this area and suggests implications and directions for teaching and learning of psychology, with particular reference to the higher education context.

      What Is Epistemology?


    171. Petra says:

      Good one K1. As you say share this link far and wide folks and repost …. repost …. repost. Let the people across the length and breadth of Scotland know what’s been going on under Labour controlled Councils for decades: Is still going on in fact as GCC and other Councils across Scotland still have cases to address. Fork out for. The hellish repercussions of their, Labours, (in) actions are not over yet and are closely linked of course to the Unions, such as Unison, in Scotland too. High time that their corrupt symbiotic relationship was exposed. Any investigative reporter out there worth their salt?

      As to their conduct over the last ten years or so well it’s been MUCH, MUCH longer than that. I was involved with Equal Pay cases that were dragged through the legal system for years in the 1990’s (and of course there was cases prior to that) due to the Labour controlled Councils appealing against decisions and of course spending £millions in legal fees in the process.

      In particular, and most crucially for me (and many others), from 1997 until 1999 these cases were ”stymied” when Frank McAveety was the leader of Glasgow City Council. McAveety the ”big boss” was calling the shots for ALL Councils right across Scotland when some in fact indicated that they wanted to resolve the cases. I wonder if Susan Aitken knows the ins and outs of those cases? The dirty tricks that they employed? The test cases that were bullied and subsequently lost their jobs, as ”predicted” by their QC, Ian Truscott, at the Glasgow Tribunal. Has she, Susan, and her colleagues gotten round to dredging through the decades of paperwork, that is the paperwork that hasn’t been shredded already? She more than likely does know about the cases in the 90’s, but then again maybe I should just drop her a wee line anyway. Highlight that McAveety has been hanging around Glasgow City Council like a bad smell since 1988. Thirty years of robbing the Scots blind between one thing and another.

      I was once a fervent Labour supporter, Union shop steward and Convenor. I thought that the Labour Party had been set up to provide parliamentary representation for working class people, then I saw the light. Realised that I had been duped… big time. I’m now hoping that others across Scotland will see the light too before it is too late.

    172. crazycat says:

      @ P G McLaughlin

      Is the Cnclr Graham mentioned by Susan Aitken the husband of Johan Lamont?


    173. sandy says:

      Reference to the previous post about the Dundee Cromwellian slaughter.
      On being thrown out/deselected as MP for Dundee, didn’t our greatly heralded Winston Churchill threaten to have the city returned to green fields.

      And further, didn’t England’s Hitler, George 11 & his Himmler associate, Butcher Cumberland, slaughter 30,000 – 40,000 Highland Scots, men, women & children after the 1745 uprising.

      What are imperialistic Englishmen/women prepared to do to satisfy their own aspirations?

    174. Col says:

      Sick of hearing from the Brits how we fought Hitler and that somehow secured our freedom. We fought England for hundreds of years and still are struggling!

    175. Robert Louis says:

      The tree of liberty at 1255am,

      Totally agree. James Clerk Maxwell was the daddy of them all. It is useful to note how within the ‘uk’ his contribution has often been ignored in popular media, aside from amongst physicists. It has been good to see Prof Brian Cox (the astronomer, not the actor from Dundee) often refer to Clerk Maxwell, and totally declares his uber importance in physics and astronomy.

      It is sad that so many Scots know very little about him, and refer only to Einstein instead. Einstein himself, admired Clerk Maxwell greatly. Clerk Maxwell was Scotland’s Einstein, a man wayyyy ahead of his time and contemporary peers.

    176. Arabs for Independence says:

      Wow – Isabel Fraser swinging and not missing her boss with her questions to the fragrant Donalda

    177. starlaw says:

      Tuned to Radio Shortbread for the 8 am news. All Ive heard is a load of guff about their new Telly Shortbread program with Donalda spouting off about QT,s incidend with Orange Billy being a one of which slipped through the crack… Naw it Wisnae.

    178. Donalda. I heard that interview as totally guarded in responses. Doesn’t sound like a person actually ‘in charge’. That’s the first mention I’ve heard of the
      ‘Occasional mistake’ in planted audiences’.

    179. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      RE: Scottish inventions.

      A three minute video listing many of them.

    180. Peter says:

      Donalda Mackinnon of BBC Scotland was on Radio Scotland just now (before 8.30) but I only heard the final remarks. Was she pressed on the question of bias (conscious and unconscious) and “restoring trust in the BBC”? Genuine query.

    181. Dr Jim says:

      It’s all a mistake says Donalda, I hold my hands up says Donalda, It’ll all be better says Donalda, There’s no Bias says Donalda

      And that would all be great if the new BBC channel hadn’t already recorded the new Scottish Question Time by using the same invited audience method including the very same Billy the Nut Job who they had on the main QT and now to top it off send out invitations to organisations like Scotland in Union to ask them to inform their members to get in touch but not ask anyone from any Pro Independence organisation to do the same, see you either ask both or none that’s how impartiality works

      Aye, hold your hands up Donalda, but just in worship to your bosses in that big London who run Scotlands TV

      It would be great if the new channel were to be genuine and worked for Scotland but they’ve buggered it up before it even gets underway, now they have to fix the bias (mistake) on the brand new channel before anybody sees it and the Big Question Time is does anybody care or expect anything different from the BBC anymore

      Well Naw!

    182. Posh Jo telling the passengers of the Titanic not to get in the lifeboats because they might also hit the iceberg,so there is no point even trying to save yourself.

      Let`s all sink with posh Jo.

    183. Hamish100 says:

      The Tree of Liberty says:
      24 February, 2019 at 12:55 am
      Without James Clerk Maxwell there would have been no Albert Einstein.

      Without Mr & Mrs Einstein there would have been no Albert Einstein… lol

    184. Dr Jim says:

      Yeah, Ms Swinson loves telling Scots we aren’t good enough or clever enough to do anything on our own and spent an inordinate amount of money doing it, so much so she was investigated by the police for it

      I was one of the recipients of up to four 4 different leaflets a day telling me how bad the SNP were, funny thing was Ms Swinson wasn’t even mentioned as the candidate till the last week of the Lib Dem campaign because there was no room on the leaflets SNP bad SNP evil Nicola Sturgeon dreadful Independence Bad, then they remembered they better have a candidate

    185. Dr Jim says:

      Scotland invented the modern world, As great a contribution to the world as the Greeks

      These words were spoken by Jacob Rees Mogg

      So either he thinks we’ve all gone suddenly stupid, or more likely England cannae dae withoot us

    186. geeo says:

      Dr Jim@ 8.28am.

      I just watched QT from Thursday, last night and it was completely biased yet again.

      This time it was 2 fold

      1. Chris Leslie was on, and after about 6 audience assassins getting stuck into him, Fiona Bruce turns to him and says “it looks like you are getting a really hard time tonight” (sound familiar, re: Fiona Hyslop).

      She then asked for a show of hands of those who agree with The Breakaway group….3 people put their hands up.

      2. Almost every single audience member who contributed was vehemently pro brexit, or “i was leave but get on with brexit”.

      The BBC/wider media has denied a voice for those who voted Remain and STILL want to Remain.

      Institutional right wing bias at the BBC, imagine that. !!

    187. cearc says:

      Probably the greatest Scottish ‘invention’ of all was universal, free, education which enabled all the rest.

    188. Dr Jim says:

      What I’ve never understood is this constant Unionist position that Scotland *Can’t*
      Imagine going through your whole life believing you’re a loser then shouting abuse at everyone else who doesn’t like being called a loser

      They’re an odd bunch these Unionists

    189. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Dr Jim at 9.08
      That was exactly the same here. Only three of the 13 leaflets mentioned Alan Who? the LibDem candidate so they were not election expensible.

      As the LibDem postage cost to my address – three of the leaflets were personally addressed to me or my wife at full postage cost and the others were by the Royal Mail “Door to Door” service at around 6p each – (and the leaflets will also have to have been paid for)we got about £3 plus expenditure and this happened across this vast constituency the “LibDems” must have spent over £100,000 on Argyll and Bute. As they probably couldn’t afford to buy a pair of shoes this was a completely dishonest assault on our democracy and the same happened (Lib Dem or Tory)in target seats across the country.

      Fragrant Jo got the same level of expenditure in E Dumbarton with virtually the same leaflets. Much more should have been made of this – but then again at that point we were contemplating the most badly misjudged SNP campaign I had ever been involved in.

    190. yesindyref2 says:

      Would the last rat in the House of Commons please turn the lights on?

    191. Socrates MacSporran says:

      Just seen, thanks to the link on the Rev’s twitter feed, Susan Aitken getting tore intae the self-servers in Glasgow Labour.

      Gawn yersel’ Hen. a virtuoso performance.

      Sadly, it will make no difference, the likes of McAveety and Mrs Johan Lamont are beyone help. Not even a sherriking like that will bring a wee reddy, far less a big reddy, to their fat faces.

    192. Dr Jim says:

      @Dave McEwan Hill 10:09am

      Somebody made the mistake of treating it as a normal GE and didn’t notice everybody else wasn’t doing that but by then they had no plan B to switch to and stuck with the wrong plan

      We hope and expect nothing like that happens again

    193. Breeks says:

      4 cartoons left until Brexit. Nice to have something to look forward to.

    194. Grouse Beater says:

      Hi Chris – I’ve taken a leaf out of your book and decided on a long weekend out of the office … in Dublin. Like this week’s cartoon, I abstain from commitment to anything.

      So, instead of a political essay,to save folk the pain of watching the accident prone ceremony, here’s the winner of tonight’s all-categories Oscars:

      “Roma” – a review:

    195. Famous15 says:

      Thanks guys for that rare piece of analysis. Losers are we?

      Unionists get hysrerical at how shite Scotland is.I would go as far as to say they get an orgasm when they discover a slight ”shortcoming”.

      I used to wonder why this attack on their own self esteem was not harmful only to disciver that it corrodes their whole being. Unionists are losers and enjoy self harming. More to be pitied than laughed at? No! A sickly snake is still deadly.

    196. Alastair says:

      Every time I hear this song it is an anthem for our independence.
      Listen to the words carefully and enjoy.

    197. Republicofscotland says:

      I know others have commented on it, but Susan Aitken really let rip on Labour at GCC. Well done Susan.

      One of the useless Labour councillors that she mentions, had Jacobite swords removed from an art gallery,in Scotland because inscribed on them were words pertaining to Scottish independence.

      Call it as you see it, same applies at

    198. Nana says:


      Keith Brown: Scottish independence offers opposite of Brexit chaos

      Britain in the Crazed Brexit Vortex
      The land of milk and honey promised by the Vote Leave campaign in 2016 has turned into a nightmare.

    199. Nana says:

      What Alex actually said

      Joanna cherry was tweeting about this presentation yesterday, I thought some of you might find it interesting
      Livestream Remaking the UK constitution
      Link to livestream here

      Revealed: Scots landowners challenge shooting estates tax bills

    200. mike cassidy says:

      Appropriate theme for BBC Scotland’s new propaganda outlet.

    201. Nana says:

      Here is one of my favourite snippets from American history (note it is not made up but from the Smithsonian collection) that everyone in Scotland should read:

      Brexit: bring out your dead

      What measures are #EuropeanUnion countries like #France taking ahead of a possible no-deal

    202. Legerwood says:

      Dr Jim says:
      24 February, 2019 at 10:30 am
      @Dave McEwan Hill 10:09am

      “”Somebody made the mistake of treating it as a normal GE and didn’t notice everybody else wasn’t doing that but by then they had no plan B to switch to and stuck with the wrong plan

      We hope and expect nothing like that happens again””


      You seem to have forgotten that the campaign was twice interrupted by major terrorist incidents both of which impacted adversely on the SNP’s campaign. The first incident, the Manchester bombing, delayed the launch of the SNP’s manifesto and took a week out of the campaign. The second, the London incident, overshadowed the actual launch of the manifesto and pushed that into the footnote section of election reports.

      In the 2017 campaign, unlike the 2015 GE, the media reverted to its default position of writing the SNP out of the proceedings. The coverage the SNP received in 2015 was unprecedented and may have made a considerable contribution to the SNP’s showing in that GE. The media did not make that mistake again. In fact the whole thrust of their approach and that of the Unionist parties seemed to be a rerun of the Holyrood election of 2016. They concentrated on devolved issues especially if any member of the SNP was in front of a camera.

      Then there is the oft repeated ‘they did not speak about Independence’ given as an excuse by many for not turning out to vote. Given what I have said in the previous paragraphs how much opportunity were they given to do so? Furthermore did they need to labour the issue of independence?

      They have espoused the cause of independence for 80 years so they hardly needed to labour the point. Ms Sturgeon had stood up just weeks before and announced a timetable for indyref2 and the Scottish Parliament had endorsed it. The Unionist paries’ campaign was simply ‘No to a second indyref’. That being the case and with the initial steps towards indyref2 taken then that is the time to step up and say YES to a second indyref by voting for the party that will deliver it

      Even the CH4 news reporter, who came up to Scotland at the start of the GE, grasped immediately that the GE was in large part about independence. Something that seems to have gone over the heads of a lot of people who were no shows in the polling booths.

      Thus the GE gave ‘we, the people’ the opportunity to show they fully supported that call for a second indyref and give the lie to the Unionist claim that there was no appetite for a second indyref.

      So what did people do? Stayed at home in the huff because there was no mention of independence every 5 minutes. And as a result handed a ‘victory’ and bragging rights to the Unionist parties. It took a year and the high turnout of the Glasgow March in 2018 to overcome that setback handed to the party by their own supporters.

      Between 2015 to 2017 the SNP fought 2 GE, 1 Holyrood election, one EU referendum and local elections. That is a lot for any party even one with a large membership. It is all the harder when that membership splits its vote or stays at home because things have not been run the way they want then try to rewrite the story to cover their own shortcomings.

    203. Sarah says:

      @Nana – many thanks for these great links. It all helps. It was good to see that someone is challenging Boris Johnson and his EU lies in a law court – fingers crossed the court agrees there is a case to answer.

    204. Nana says:

      A bit late this morning Sarah, but better late than never.

    205. Capella says:

      Ah – the morning links are here.
      But to add to the list of the world’s cleverest men, John Napier, inventor of logarithms and the decimal point.

    206. Sarah says:

      @ Nana – late suits me fine! 🙂

    207. Fireproofjim says:

      Dr Jim @9.40
      The words were actually “among the small nations of the world only perhaps the Ancient Greeks surpass the Scots in their contribution to mankind.” and it was Winston Churchill, Not Rees-Mogg, who would never have such a generous thought about Scotland.

    208. Jack Murphy says:

      Republicofscotland ended his/her Post at 11:19am today re
      Councillor Susan Aitken really letting rip on Labour at Glasgow City Council.

      Five ***** for Speech of the Week. Well done and well said.

    209. Tinto Chiel says:

      Particularly liked The Costs of Revolution from the Smithsonian, Nana. The same old tired arguments being deployed today, e.g. “Where will the money come from for an oil fund?”

    210. Dan says:

      Modern Scottish inventions include the deep-fried mars bar which may not be something to be so proud of!

      Seem to recall there were some innovative studies being carried out at Glasgow University recently on the reversal of type 2 diabetes.

      So overall, maybe the latter cancels out the effects of the former.

    211. defo says:

      Great Scot’s.
      A couple of Jimmys.
      Polymath James Hutton, pioneer in geology.
      James Watt. The clues in the name! Devised a far more efficient steam engine.

    212. Nana says:


      The same argument has been trotted out to every country who ever wanted independence.

      Re Scottish inventions, here’s a braw one

    213. Robert Louis says:

      Dr Jim and other at 0848am,

      Regarding the blatant liars at the BBC in Scotland.

      Too many times, we have heard the excuse from the BBC in Scotland, that bias against Scotland, the SNP and the notion of Scotland running its own affairs like any NORMAL country, is just an ‘accident’.

      The notion that the likes of ‘Orange billy’ are just accidents, would be believable, if sometimes it happened the other way around. But no, the BBC in Scotland so-called ‘accidents’ are always directed against Scottish independence and the notion of Scotland feeling good about itself.

      So, Donalda and all the paid lying propagandists at Pacific Quay can GTF, with their nonsense excuses for their overt continual and blatant anti Scotland bias.

      Scotland needs it’s own TV stations, both commercial and state funded, owned, run and accountable in Scotland, NOT England, just like any other country. A good example is Ireland.

      The BBC, the whole damn lot of them, should be run out of the country. They are nothing more than London’s lying stooges. And they can take their new ‘scottishy’ propaganda channel with them too. BBC in Scotland is a REAL parcel of rogues in a nation.

      Scotland needs new TV channels, but NOT from the BBC liars at pacific quay.

    214. Nana says:


      The same old story, Malta is also mentioned in this article as is Norway & Slovakia

    215. Nana says:

      BREAKING Brexit: Theresa May confirms MPs’ vote is DELAYED until as late as March 12

    216. Thepnr says:


      Better get myself down the shops quick then while there’s still food on the shelves LOL.

    217. Breeks says:

      Nana says:
      24 February, 2019 at 11:20 am

      What measures are #EuropeanUnion countries like #France taking ahead of a possible no-deal

      Thanks Nana. Even those dumb enough to believe that Brexit will be fine can surely understand the damage which one country does to 27 has a reciprocal where the damage to trade with 27 countries is focussed into one.

      It is vital for Scotland that we break out of this Union and stay in Europe.

    218. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Very excellent Sunday National again today. Best Scottish Sunday newspaper by a mile. Lots of good reading over a range of subjects particularly Brendan O’Hara’s informed opinion of the new BBC Scotland programme.

      Legerwood at 11.30
      Wont be responding at any length but I will repeat I have never seen a less well judged SNP campaign in my nearly sixty years in the party. Would you like to see the collection of SNP leaflets produced for distribution which at no point mentioned independence and which we couldn’t get our members to distribute – while all our opponents attacked independence continuously.
      If our strategists don’t understand what motivates our membership we have a problem. There were lots of other issues of course but our members joined to campaign for independence and if you don’t give them an opportunity to do that they won’t be available for the other issues either.

      Let me put it simply.The question is not “who’ll lift the bins?” but “will you vote for an an independent Scotland in which our government in control of our finances will be better able to provide the funds for our services/”

    219. Nana says:

      Peston says

      @theresa_may has just confirmed in briefing on her plane to journalists that “meaningful” vote on her reworked Brexit deal will happen by 12 March and not this week. Here’s why she thinks that date will force ERG Brexiters to support deal they hate

      see here

    220. CameronB Brodie says:

      The BBC is afflicted by institutional racism. It is built into their DNA through their Royal charter. The BBC is not an organisation that supports democracy, it does the very opposite, in fact.

    221. admiral says:

      Peston says
      @theresa_may has just confirmed in briefing on her plane to journalists that “meaningful” vote on her reworked Brexit deal will happen by 12 March and not this week. Here’s why she thinks that date will force ERG Brexiters to support deal they hate
      see here

      The woman is a total disgrace. She is in gross contempt of parliament (and a Westminster parliament is contemptible to start with) and acting like a mad dictator. Time for Parliament to take back control and withdraw A50.

    222. Nana says:

      If Theresa May breaks her promise and refuses to allow our elected Parliament to vote on her deal, and alternatives, it will be a moment of crisis for the UK and our democracy.

      @GoodLawProject has commissioned legal advice on a General Strike which we will publish on Wednesday.

    223. geeo says:

      Treeza May is a stunning hypocrite.

      In one breath we get this: “No meaningful vote until 12 March”.

      In the next we get this: “Now, often people talk about the extension of Article 50 as if that will actually solve the issue. Of course it won’t. It defers the point of decision.

      There comes a point where we need to make that decision”.

      Breathtaking Hypocrite indeed.

    224. starlaw says:

      BBC does not support Democracy its full support and loyalty belongs to the Monarchy, which in turn is usurped by Parliament and given over to the Prime Minister.

      Is’nt it nice to live in a free Democratic Monarchy such as only we have. North Korea comes close but still years behind.

    225. Legerwood says:

      Breaking news

      May is going to delay the meaningful vote until March 12th!!!! It was supposed to be this coming week. Story in Guardian on-line

    226. Legerwood says:

      Dave McEwan Hill @ 1.38 PM
      “”…while all our opponents attacked independence continuously.””

      If your opponents are attacking something continuously, which they were, is that not the time for the people to step to the plate and show their believe in independence and the way to do it is to vote for the one party that believes in it, promotes it and is in a position to deliver it?

      Do people actually have to be told continuously that that is the case? So the leaflets did not mention independence, so what? Do people really need to be told that, really?

      That is pretty pathetic reasoning.

    227. Breeks says:

      With regards Scottish inventions, I would simply refer people to the Scottish Enlightenment. Another wee component of Scottish History conspicuously absent from my schooling.

      People were talking back in 2014 about Independence bringing forth a Second Scottish Enlightenment, which for me meant aspiring to be a bold and progressive Nation which was “enlightened” in the way it reconciled is economic and manufacturing prowess with inspired environmental sustainability and reinstating Scotland’s globally unique ecosystem. Our great forests would proliferate again, but in harmony with us. We’d augment our Mountain Rescue with Forest Find-you.

      We would invest in our people, and pioneer new and innovative ways to give our people stimulus to work together, live fulfilled lives, and help each other, and find ways of doing the right things without shackling inspired invention and innovation with NeoLiberal greed and cynicism. We would advance as a people together, not just the rich skimming off the best for themselves.

      I know it’s just my own petty delusion, but I kind of like the idea that being Scottish doesn’t just stop at our people, but grants Scottish citizenship to every fox, badger, salmon, eagle, and I hope someday wolf, bear, bison, boar, a level of protection. Aye, that Forest Find-you service might need to be quick response… Maybe Citizenship isn’t the right word, but they have rights and a say in every development which might impact on their environment. They’ve the same right to be here as we do.

      Zero emission transport and energy is never going to be anything less than a huge project which is never going to leave humanity. We have a window of opportunity to thrive on the new frontiers that lie just ahead of us. We invest. We learn. We innovate. We improve. We coordinate.

      I would love Scotland to develop new infrastructure for data and information which becomes the envy of the world, and as free and valuable to us as our notion of free education and healthcare for all. Scotland should have the best communications it is possible to have, not just the Big Brother Viewscreens with end to end indoctrination and propaganda, and the two minute hate for foreigners.

      I want a Second Scottish Enlightenment that blossoms into a genie that refuses to go back into the bottle.

      I want to build bridges with Ireland, Europe and Scandinavia. I want Scots kids speaking French, German, Italian, Portuguese, Chinese, Russian, not because its a chore, but because there is every prospect of speaking to people in their own tongue. Aye.. why not Gaelic too?

      And commerce? I’ve said it before too. Scotland wouldn’t just be a hub at the centre of nations, but a hub at the centre of Continents. Istanbul once thrived as where Europe met Africa, the Middle East and Asia… Well Scotland is uniquely placed to be the hub where Europe meets Scandinavia, the vestiges of UK Commonwealth Nations, and transatlantic Americas. We might just be a wee country, but we’ve got location, location, location to die for… Oh aye, and it seems they’re even serious about a spaceport!

      If it was down to me, I’d grant everybody in Scotland a new state of the art TV, just to let them see what a wonderful country they’re living in, on a medium unsullied or corrupted by the damned BBC.

      But, a thousand buts, we are still chained at the ankle to these ignorant, narrow minded Brexit cretins who want to turn the clock back to the 19th Century, and raise their kids with hearts full of hatred and deluded exceptionalism. I truly fear for them, but more than that, I want no part of it. It is madness.

      I’m not old, but I’m not young either. I don’t expect I’ll see any of these things, but my spirit soars when I imagine some wee Scots laddie or lassie revelling in the challenges of a better world, which has learned to make inspired progress without destroying itself. I want them to be wishing they were here, now, right here with us, and sharing our responsibility and privilege, as the midwives of the Second Scottish Enlightenment.

      Brexit? It’s a common assault on all of us. It’s the victory of ignorance and the BBC.

    228. Macart says:


      Mr Maugham isn’t wrong.

      On the sitch though? Yet another postponement. Right now what folks are staring at is a house that’s being asked (forced) to make a decision on a choice that’s not a choice and on a vote that’s been constantly deferred when it need never have been deferred.

      If that’s not politics in meltdown, then it’s doing a damn fine impersonation of it. As if folk can’t see right through such a nonsense.

      False choices on false votes. It’s the theatre of blame and they’re setting up the usual suspects to take the fall in order to preserve their hoose and their monopoly as best possible. The more astut among them are well aware they screwed up big time and went waaaaay too far.

      It’s effectively the same power and greed struggle its always been and their using the polarisation of public opinion, (a polarisation they created), to undersign the cheque/fallout.

      They are a shameless shower of (fill in as appropriate).

    229. galamcennalath says:

      Nana says:

      @GoodLawProject has commissioned legal advice on a General Strike

      Wow, that would get their attention.

      Problem is, which side/faction would call a General Strike and to send what message?

      I assume the GLP are thinking in terms of the failure of parliamentary democracy at this critical moment. In the same way few agree with May’s ‘deal’ for all sorts of reasons, different groups could feel they have grievance to call a strike!

      In a Scottish context, it all seems irrelevant because why would we want to harm the Scottish economy when it’s clear what Scotland wants – no Brexit and an IndyRef2 to decide our future! A strike wouldn’t further that.

    230. Tinto Chiel says:

      Well said, Breeks @ 2.33.

      Of course, we’re not even allowed credit for our first enlightenment: that was all supposedly down to the effects of the Union, if you believe Britnat historians.

      What a toxic, twisted and malign institution that has been for our country.

    231. Liz g says:

      Galamcennalath @ 2.29
      Scotland refusing to join England’s General strike would certainly make quite a statement..
      But more than that… Westminster and it’s BBC would have a hard time explaining how they felt about it.
      Would Scotland be in the right or wrong…either way it would certainly denote the difference between the two Kingdom’s in this rancid Treaty

    232. Ghillie says:

      Breeks @ 2.33 pm

      WOW 🙂

      Brilliantly said and beautifully envisioned =)

      Yes Breeks, I do believe you will live to see and enjoy Scotland’s fresh and invigorating Enlightenment 🙂

    233. defo says:

      From the WoS twittery thing.

      She is utterly loathsome, and seems to have lots of similarly repulsive backers.

      How any fool believes people donate without getting something in return for their shekel is beyond me.

    234. Ghillie says:

      Am looking forward to hearing Keith Brown’s address on Independence in Aberdeen today =)

      Hopefully our wonderful Indylive and Scottish Broadcasting will cover it for us all!

      Am heartened and excited by the now continual references to Scotland’s choice to return to being a normal Independent Nation by our SNP MPs every time they speak 🙂

      We’re getting close folks.

    235. Petra says:

      Thanks for the links Nana, in particular the news that Big T has reneged on her word again. Kicked the can down the road again. Meanwhile every right thinking person, whose principles are sensible and morally correct, should walk out of the Commons en masse tomorrow and the ordinary people across the UK should support a General Strike.

      Those left sitting in the Commons should be scrutinised to identify ”Brexit liars and fraudsters”and thereafter taken to Court as is planned for Boris Johnston.

      And while all that’s going on Big T should be carted away in a straight jacket. Either that or ban her from re-entering the UK from Egypt as per her own policy when she was Home Secretary …. ”stopping people from entering the UK if she (T May) believes there is a threat to national security, public order or the safety of citizens.”


      Thanks too for the two extremely informative links relating to BBC propaganda and Venezuela. They, the BBC, fairly get around, don’t they! The whole World’s their oyster, so to say. Has been for decades now, but hopefully not for much longer.


    236. Clootie says:

      The LibDems are very effective at dirty tricks. Carmichael, Jardine, Swinson etc have all been supported by the machine which has all the hallmarks of the guiding hand of the British Establishment. Like the MSM they are kept alive to hinder progress, to mislead and deflect the people.
      They will join the Brexiteer leadership team in that special place. The titles Labour and Liberal have long lost their meaning in Scotland.

    237. Lanarkist says:

      Just made the mistake of listening in to Rad4 History of Britain episode 1, Scotland and England.

      No details, background or finer nuances just English perspective, reinforcing their screwed version of events.
      From initial inhabitants, Irish?, to Roman, Bannockburn(30secs), murder? Of red Comyn, Flodden then Union of Crowns to Union via Darien and bankruptcy!
      Honest to God awful, spent longer on a £1 tourist phone box in Branxton than Bannockburn.

      No wonder the Home Counties have such a scewed perspective on the history of the UK if this is what is fed and reinforced continuously to them.
      Appalled by lack of research, information and their initial focus of interest, no mention of Kingdom of Scotland in existence for 200/300 years before Kingdom of England, stated that Scots Parliament dissolved not prorogued, nor that the Parliamentarians were bought and not representative of modern democracy, pure raging!

    238. Another Union Dividend says:

      Joan MacAlpine on war path over BBC / Mentorn who seem to only have a brass plate in Scotland but won the contract for Debate programme.

      Spokesman for the BBC said Mentorn Scotland was awarded the contract “after a fair and transparent process”. He declined to name the other bidders, but added that Mentorn satisfied Ofcom criteria for having a “substantive base in Scotland, including senior personnel”.

      Mentorn has declined a number of requests to state how many of its staff are permanently based in Scotland. Mentorn, which also makes Question Time for the BBC, has been at the centre of a row with Scottish government ministers after it emerged it had invited a former Ukip candidate to join the flagship programme’s audience on several occasions.

      McAlpine also raises concerns about Question Time’s “audience producer” Alison Fuller Pedley, who two years ago was embroiled in controversy after she shared an online post by Britain First, the anti-immigration group founded by former BNP members. It is understood the BBC at the time was satisfied she had unwittingly shared the post.

      In her letter McAlpine said: “I was even more dismayed to see that the audience for the new Scottish programme is chosen by . . . Full House Audience Management, which picks the UK Question Time audience. Alison Fuller, who owns the company, has been at the centre of well-publicised rows after apparently supporting right-wing political groups on social media.”

    239. SilverDarling says:

      Theresa May has claimed squatter’s rights until it suits her to leave. She is trashing the place and using every dodge and delay in the Parliamentary book to avoid responsibility and no seems able to do a thing about it.

      That IG group are a rum lot. They have seen what May has done and joined her in assuming adverse possession of that which they are not entitled to. They will facilitate her hanging on and then vote en bloc for her deal claiming they were doing the best for their country – England.

      Watch the scramble for the crumbs Post Apocalypse on the 30th March as they all jockey for the role of Messiah to lead ‘us’.

      It really is every low life for themselves now down there. We have to get out soon.

    240. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Petra @ 15:37,

      If I were English, I would certainly feel disenfranchised and disenchanted by the ongoing political failure, and be looking for a way of expressing that displeasure, so a General Strike would be tempting indeed.

      Here in Scotland though we are fortunate to have a government that is very much in touch and onside, and a governing party that truly reflects our majority wishes, so like gala upthread I believe our energies would be better focussed in publicly supporting them in any way available rather than indulging in any kind of unproductive industrial action.

      Our southern neighbours deserve our full sympathy and support (even if all too often it isn’t reciprocated) but we are in an entirely different position.

      Still, the ever-escalating boorach-UK does help make the case for indy in a way the MSM just can’t make disappear.

    241. Fireproofjim says:

      Great post.
      The Scottish Enlightenment had little or nothing to do with the Union.
      It was due to the widespread education and literacy of the Scots, who were the most literate nation in the world in the late 18th century.
      As Voltaire, the great French author and philosopher said at the time, “It is to Scotland that we look now for all our ideas of civilisation.”
      The Scottish system of completely free education including University continues that tradition.

    242. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Lanarkist @ 16:05,

      Likewise, alas.

      Started out promisingly enough with the Antonine Wall and the putative effect the Romans might have had in separating the island of Britain, but nary a word about the actual history of Scotland in the aftermath until suddenly Bruce (who was born in Essex, doncha know =snigger=). But we did get diversions into the English involvement in France and some time pontificating on the importance of the Home Counties of England.

      What an incoherent dog’s breakfast of a programme. I doubt any uninformed listener in England gained any useful understanding from it.

    243. sinky says:

      Another Union Dividend @ 4.11

      At a miserly investment of £30m a year Don’t expect much from the new PART TIME BBC Scotland TV channel which is designed to fail.

      The Scottish Broadcasting Commission in 2008 proposed a new channel costing between £70m and £85m.

      For comparison RTE spends around £300m a year.

    244. CameronB Brodie says:

      OT, re. the Prime-minister. Her inability to empathise is indicative of the brain architecture that is typical of the socially conservative mind, and suggestive that she is a white supremacist. Such brain architecture is also poorly suited to dealing with complexity. Subsequently, she is clearly unsuited to leadership roles.

      Metacognition and reasoning

      Intuition, reason, and metacognition

      The Role of Metacognition in Learning and Achievement

    245. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Legerwood at 2.27

      Are you a member of the SNP? Do you campaign for independence, perhaps in another organisation? Do youmeet amd interact with membens ans activists on a daily basis? Have you the faintest idea of how it all works?

    246. Petra says:

      @ Robert J. Sutherland says at 4:29 pm – ”Petra – If I were English, I would certainly feel disenfranchised and disenchanted by the ongoing political failure, and be looking for a way of expressing that displeasure, so a General Strike would be tempting indeed. Here in Scotland though we are fortunate to have a government that is very much in touch and onside, and a governing party that truly reflects our majority wishes, so like gala upthread I believe our energies would be better focussed in publicly supporting them in any way available rather than indulging in any kind of unproductive industrial action.”..

      I just reckoned that marches throughout Scotland carrying banners denouncing the Westminster Government / Brexit and promoting our Government could / would have helped the cause, RJS.

    247. Dr Jim says:


      Jacob Rees Mogg came to Scotland and did a documentary where he said those very words and had nothing but praise for our poor wee benighted land of folk who cannae manage withoot oor betters, It’s funny how one minute we’re great then if anybody actually agrees with the idea we might be they immediately tell us to shut up, who do we think we are

      It’s like training a dug, reward it for being able to fetch then kick it in the backside for getting in the way till the dug bites back then they kill it and get another one

      The only problem with this kind of training is Scotland is the last of their dugs

    248. Nana says:

      Two episodes of Gordon Ross/Indycar today

      British controlled news continues it’s offensive against the SNHS.

      May tells commons; “Brexit must not and shall not be frustrated”.

      Plus another pointless, meaningless vote this week, and an expected meaningFUL vote before mid March, no deal still looks likely.

      Continued silence from media over rise in plastic bullet purchases, troop deployments and 1000 police bring trained for NI duties after a no deal.

      Cognitove Dissonance and the British/American media.

      Yellow vests, red crosses, white helmets.

      What is really going on?

      Police riot training, army deployment and plastic bullet stockpiling.

      Scary stuff!

    249. Bobp says:

      Breeks 2.33pm. A great inspirational post.

    250. CameronB Brodie says:

      How do you go about changing social attitudes in Scotland. Muzzle the BBC in Scotland, for starters. How many nations in the world have their news dictated by another nation – the BBC in Scotland has zero autonomy? Just like the yoon accounting branches we’re cursed with.

      Attitudes, Conflict, and Social Change

      Changing Attitudes by Changing Behavior

      Changing Attitudes through Persuasion

    251. SilverDarling says:

      @Cameron B Brodie

      Really interesting stuff there. I think we are all sat aghast at May, unable to fathom what is going on in her mind. She is in every word and action the opposite of what we feel a leader is and should be doing.

      It may well that be she is simply not capable of connecting in a human way and the ‘MayBot’ jibes have intuitively captured that. I’m not qualified to assign labels to her but my gut tells me she isn’t that new buzzword ‘neurotypical’in her responses.

      The excoriating article by Matthew Parris, where he calls her the Death Star, seems to describe the many deficiencies in her emotional makeup.

    252. remo says:

      Dan @ 12.32

      I had deep-fried Mars bar and Irn Bru ice cream in a posh restaurant where they were offering this dessert for fun and laughs as it said on the menu. I ordered it for the same reasons. It was bloody delicious. Just saying.

    253. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      CameronB Brodie @ 16:54,

      I don’t know about any of that, Cam, but it sure looks to me that Dis-May is locked into leaving on 29.March come hell or high water, deal or no-deal.

      If can-kicking was her original (threadbare) strategy for bringing both the EU and the Tory Party to heel, it looks now, with failure on both fronts, that dogmatism has set in and leaving per deadline has become solely a matter of personal pride, and to hell with the consequences.

      Cue another soundtrack for (the late) Bruno Ganz’s take on the last days in the Berlin bunker…

    254. SilverDarling says:

      Meant to add it is not just the emotional responses that seem deficient, she seems to be unable to understand and see beyond the literal. Concrete thinking maybe?

      ‘Did you call me nebulous’…

    255. CameronB Brodie says:

      Robert. 😉

      Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice

    256. CameronB Brodie says:

      I’m approaching the debate from the perspective of a social scientist, so my aim is to be ethical, even though I’m clearly biased.

    257. CameronB Brodie says:

      More on the neuroscience of racism.

      The neuroscience of race


      As the racial composition of the population changes, intergroup interactions are increasingly common. To understand how we perceive and categorize race and the attitudes that flow from it, scientists have used brain imaging techniques to examine how social categories of race and ethnicity are processed, evaluated and incorporated in decision-making. We review these findings, focusing on black and white race categories.

      A network of interacting brain regions is important in the unintentional, implicit expression of racial attitudes and its control. On the basis of the overlap in the neural circuitry of race, emotion and decision-making, we speculate as to how this emerging research might inform how we recognize and respond to variations in race and its influence on unintended race-based attitudes and decisions.

      The Neuroscience of Racial Bias

      The social neuroscience of race-based and status-based prejudice

    258. SilverDarling says:

      @C B Brodie

      Yes, I respect your stance and where you are coming from is to inform from the general perspective and allow others to come to their own conclusions.

      It is hard to refrain from speculation about her cognitive abilities although no one should or can make claims over the internet. This latest delay has prompted lots of fevered diagnoses courtesy of Dr.Google from all over social media.

    259. Hamish100 says:

      Dave McEwan Hill

      Maybe legerwood is a disgruntled snp official or just mixing it? Either way we do need to be clear as to the roles of the SNP and the various pro independence parties and groups as we move towards an Indoendecne referendum. Of course May can get her Brexit through Parliament then resign and call a new GE with a new Tory leader. Why wouldn’t you judging by the dogs breakfas called labour
      From a Scots perspective not to have a independence referendum is not acceptable.

      Ot in a discount type store. Washing tablets jumped from £12 to £15 in a week, Cause I’m told due to the failing £.

    260. galamcennalath says:

      CameronB Brodie says:

      Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice

      That would be my life experience. People I have encountered who are bigoted, racist, intolerant, and socially conservative have generally also been thick.

      The more intelligent, and often successful, people who hold right wing views tend to do so motivated by self interest and greed, in my experience. They have crawled up the ladder and intend to protect their position there!

      This second group are likely to use and manipulate the first group to further their own ends.

    261. CameronB Brodie says:

      I take your point but at least my guesswork is specifically educated.

    262. ronnie anderson says:

      Ian Blackford MP should be demanding the Speaker holds a urgent debate on Tereza May’s Contempt of Parliament for again delaying the vote .

    263. CameronB Brodie says:

      How’s about some social-neuroscience of self-determination?

      The Emerging Neuroscience of Intrinsic Motivation: A New Frontier in Self-Determination Research


      Intrinsic motivation refers to people’s spontaneous tendencies to be curious and interested, to seek out challenges and to exercise and develop their skills and knowledge, even in the absence of operationally separable rewards. Over the past four decades, experimental and field research guided by self-determination theory (SDT; Ryan and Deci, 2017) has found intrinsic motivation to predict enhanced learning, performance, creativity, optimal development and psychological wellness. Only recently, however, have studies begun to examine the neurobiological substrates of intrinsic motivation.

      In the present article, we trace the history of intrinsic motivation research, compare and contrast intrinsic motivation to closely related topics (flow, curiosity, trait plasticity), link intrinsic motivation to key findings in the comparative affective neurosciences, and review burgeoning neuroscience research on intrinsic motivation. We review converging evidence suggesting that intrinsically motivated exploratory and mastery behaviors are phylogenetically ancient tendencies that are subserved by dopaminergic systems. Studies also suggest that intrinsic motivation is associated with patterns of activity across large-scale neural networks, namely, those that support salience detection, attentional control and self-referential cognition. We suggest novel research directions and offer recommendations for the application of neuroscience methods in the study of intrinsic motivation.

      Keywords: curiosity, dopamine, flow, intrinsic motivation, PLAY system, salience network, SEEKING system, self-determination theory

      Neural differences between intrinsic reasons for doing versus extrinsic reasons for doing: An fMRI study

      The brain, self and society: a social-neuroscience model of predictive processing

    264. Clootie says:

      Mays ability to postpone the vote until the 12th. March reveals just how flawed the system is. MPs are powerless, Parties are powerless. Holyrood is powerless. Only May can decide your future, your children’s future and their children’s future.

      Wake up Scotland. How much evidence do you need?

    265. SilverDarling says:

      @Cameron B Brodie


      I hope I didn’t imply you weren’t qualified!

      Anyway good to have stuff to read that I don’t normally come across and as I am not qualified I shall speculate no more!

    266. jezza says:

      MPs should not have the power to reverse the result of a public referendum.

      The result of the public vote was to leave the EU.

      Please let them get on with it so we can get on with having our own Independence Referendum.

    267. CameronB Brodie says:

      “I hope I didn’t imply you weren’t qualified!”

      Nah, not at all. However, I do acknowledge the inherent problems of trying to psychoanalyse someone I’ve never met. 😉

    268. Liz g says:

      jezza @ 6.28
      Naw jezza,we don’t want a bankrupt England their government owes us money!
      Nicola keeps saying that it’s not in Scotland’s interests for the rUK ( or whatever they call that part of our Island governed by Westminster)to be out of the EU, why do you think that is?

    269. mr thms says:

      I will be amazed if the UK does not take part in the elections for the European Union Parliament in May.

    270. Hamish100 says:

      So BBC Scotland has started. BBC tV started regular transmission in 1936. 83 years later we get a part time programme. It would be too mean not to wish the folk good luck but we will watch with interest their impartiality on all things political.

      In fairness STV is just a misnomer.

      The price of the failed Union

    271. Dr Jim says:

      Bang! and the new BBC channel bursts into life with an amazing score and Orchestra piece, if there’s one thing Scotland can do as well as anyone in the world it’s musicianship, but then….

      Squib!! and the new BBC channel sputters into life with a 1950s reference to a bad Glasgow Pavilion theatre nod to a crappy pantomime designed and aimed at well the folk who lurv Glasgow panto at the Pavilion theatre, yes I know I’m a cultural snob who prefers entertainment for adults, I’m guilty of hoping the BBC might have spent more than fifty quid on the panto bit but what can you expect when you know the BBC deliberately took cultural stereotypes and then downgraded them even further to troll the nation

      Did they pay the audience to laugh?

      Let’s hope the onl;y way is up!

    272. Petra says:

      @ CameronB Brodie at 5:25pm says … ”Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice.”

      Interesting research findings Cameron. One wonders if it can be extended to glean an understanding of a politically left-leaning Scotland versus a right-leaning England?


      @ Liz g says at 6:57 pm …. ”Naw jezza, we don’t want a bankrupt England their government owes us money! Nicola keeps saying that it’s not in Scotland’s interests for the rUK (or whatever they call that part of our Island governed by Westminster) to be out of the EU, why do you think that is?”

      Spot on Liz. We don’t want to see them bankrupt for their own sake, the ordinary English people suffering, and any number of other reasons such as social unrest down south ultimately impacting on Scotland. Add to that we don’t want any excuses from Westminster stating that they’ll no longer be able to fork out for the State pension.

    273. geeo says:


      Great post, but one small quibble, i have no desire to see dangerous wildlife like bears and wolves roaming Scotland.

      Was bad enough being threatened by a fully grown (and stunningly antlered) we ‘met’ as we hiked over a hillside in the hills behind Callander.

      I recalled that well opined saying, “it is more scared of you than you are of it” as it snorted and lowered its head, and thought, “thats a fecking lie”!!

      We slowly backed off and it lost interest pretty quickly, but i am pretty certain i was glad it was not a worf or a bear…!!!

    274. CameronB Brodie says:

      Some neuroscience on political persuasion.

      Political Neuroscience: The Beginning of a Beautiful Friendship

      Study Predicts Political Beliefs With 83 Percent Accuracy
      Scans show that liberals and conservatives use different parts of the brain when they take risks, helping to pinpoint the political party a person prefers

      Hard-wired: The brain’s circuitry for political belief

    275. Bill Hume says:

      Geeo @8:12 pm.
      Actually I would rather like some wolves roaming Scotland. Many people rub along quite nicely with wolves (and bears).
      They must be better than a country given over to sheep and grouse.
      Let’s re-populate those areas of Scotland which used to sustain a thriving population…..back in the days of wolves and bears.

    276. gus1940 says:


      I had the disturbing experience this pm of watching CNN and their coverage of the situation in Venezuela.

      I have never seen such a disgusting display of blatant propaganda and hatred – as far as fake and distorted news is concerned it was deeply depressing.

      And that was CNN which for The US is normally relatively fairly reasonable and fair – God only knows the depth of ranting hatred and lies which must be emanating from Fox News.

      The US has been waging a war of disinformation and hatred against Venezuela ever since the late Chavez first came to power and seem to be desperate to repeat what they did in Chile

    277. gus1940 says:

      I’m surprised Billy The Bigot wasn’t in the middle of the front row of the new channel launch.

    278. CameronB Brodie says:

      Basically, Brexit flies in the face of a conservative approach to governance. This suggests far-right interests are running the show. These interests appear to coincide with the Prime-minister’s cultural chauvinism (racism).

      The Prime-minister appears to be a bit of a racist and an anti-democratic authoritarian. They used to call folk like that fascists.

    279. gus1940 says:

      Surprise! Surprise! It’s BBC Weegie.

    280. cynicalHighlander says:


      The Chicago Boys have been subverting the politics in South of America for decades, fueled by greed.

    281. Bill Cockburn says:

      Just giving the New BBC Scotland Channel a fair chance. The ‘People News’ had an item on an NHS England initiative reported on Channel 4 News. The contributors to a man and woman apparently did not realise that the initiative did not apply to Scotland. More to the point, the programme editor was quite happy to let their ignorance go uncorrected. Well what else should I expect, I ask myself?

    282. Fireproofjim says:

      Wolves. There has never ever been a case in Europe of wolves attacking people and yet almost every country has packs of wolves. The nearest are in Holland and Denmark, (which in 2017, got its first pack for 200 years when a wolf family strayed over from Germany).
      The main problem is that they will kill sheep but sheep are very destructive in the Highlands. In France they compensate farmers for losses and encourage both wolves and bears to return to their ancient ranges.
      Wolves are a great way of controlling deer populations, whic

    283. Fireproofjim says:

      Which in Scotland are out of control and devastate forests.

    284. Robert Peffers says:

      @CameronB Brodie says: 24 February, 2019 at 8:47 pm:

      ” … The Prime-minister appears to be a bit of a racist and an anti-democratic authoritarian. They used to call folk like that fascists.

      Aye! CameronB, and some of we older guys still do. We have never stopped calling them what they are and that is only the more polite things we call them.

    285. CameronB Brodie says:

      Robert Peffers
      Yet we’re the ones that are supposed to be blood-and-soil nationalist, Robert. Or a virus, according to Johann Lamont. What a nasty, bigoted, reactionary, moron she is. That’s Scotland in Union supporters for you, I suppose.

    286. Socrates MacSporran says:

      Still Game is not what it was, but, it is still a helluva a lot funnier than that Night At The Theatre shite.

      A bunch of West End Warriors poking fun at the rest of Scotland. Gie’s a brek.

      Then, they bring on that Jock dun good darn sarf – Phil Jupitas.

      BBC Shortbread is taking the piss.

    287. Robert Peffers says:

      @Fireproofjim says: 24 February, 2019 at 9:21 pm:
      ” … Continued.
      Which in Scotland are out of control and devastate forests.”

      Which is why the sheep were introduced in the first place. The Natural Environment in Scotland was the Great Caledonian Forest. The Stone age farmers began the clearing of the forests in order to farm. However, the Highlands were still supporting much larger populations of people when the move to introduce sheep and clear people from the land began and it artificially created the barren wilderness that is the Highlands of today.

      Sheep prevent the natural spread of new young forestry and they allow the overpopulation of deer which also eat young forestry and Scotland is overpopulated by sheep, deer and goats and underpopulated by people.

      That majestic barren wilderness that is Highland Scotland is every inch created by mankind it is not a natural landscape.

    288. Capella says:

      @ Robert Peffers 9.52 – spot on. As the Celtic warrior Calgacus was reported as saying about the Romans – they create a desert and call it peace.

    289. mike cassidy says:

      As I posted earlier this weekend.

      If you are concerned about Scotland’s wildlife

      Here’s a way to help.

      Personally, I would have to draw the line at a wolf hat!

    290. jezza says:

      Liz g

      I never mentioned anything about a bankrupt England.

      Ate you getting my post mixed up with somebody else’s post???

    291. mike cassidy says:

      Think of Brexit

      As a way of tying your laces via an app on your phone.

      What could possibly go wrong?

    292. Dorothy Devine says:

      Nae Pasaran on now on the new BBBC Scotland channel.

    293. Robert Louis says:

      Gus 1940 at 839pm

      The whole situation in Venezuela stinks. It is classic, USA arrogance. First they instigate ‘sanctions’ and undertake financial chicanery (aided by the IMF) to undermine the currency, then they offer to move in to ‘help’. They did this over and over again in Latin America, during the 70’s and 80’s. This is not new.

      Journalists everywhere falling over themselves to spout rubbish, following the orthodox, US government approved narrative. Things are a mess in Venezuela, but the cause is not the president, but the outrageous market and currency manipulation by the US government and their right wing neo liberal stooges.

      Venezuela has the world’s largest oil reserves. It is that simple. It is a total disgrace what the US are up to. If aid is required, then it should NOT be from the USA, but from the UN – but that would be the very last thing the US government would want.

    294. CameronB Brodie says:

      OT re. Venezuela. Here’s some Cultural Anthropology and Critical Conflict Theory on the matter.


      From Partial to Full Conflict Theory: a Neo-Weberian Perspective on Post-Neoliberal Venezuela

      Venezuelan Social Conflict in a Global Context

    295. ronnie anderson says:

      mike cassidy Cheaper option Velcro lol

    296. CameronB Brodie says:

      mike cassidy & ronnie anderson
      How lazy are trendies now? 🙂

    297. Liz g says:

      Jezza @ 10.25
      Oh I’m sorry I thought you understood that to leave England to follow through on that vote would most likely bankrupt it,especially after we leave…
      Now while its one thing to say that’s their choice… I’m sure you’ll agree that Westminster has been all up in our business for centuries.
      So I for one will support moves to keep the ruk in the EU,because it’s in our interests to do so…
      Like I said before we’ve a bill for Westminster.

    298. stewartb says:


      Whenever the UK mainstream media frame important and complex political issues in simple, ‘black and white’ terms I get suspicious. I go looking for the (inevitable) but sometimes almost completely unreported, ‘other’ perspective.

      Currently this kind of reporting is exemplified by the BBC and (disappointingly, to a large degree) by C4 News’ on what’s happening in Venezuela.

      As Venezuela has been raised a few times today on this thread, some may find this other viewpoint of interest. It’s a piece from the journalist John Pilger:

      Now somewhere in the midst where does the truth lie?

    299. boris says:

      Swinson was returned to Westminster as an MP in the June 2017 General Election and soon found her place in a much reduced Lib/Dem Party that had been firmly rejected by the wider electorate.

      The Party is so short of talent that she was elected unchallenged to the post of Deputy leader to the old pensioner Vince Cable, he of the Post Office sell-off for peanuts.

      Mindful of her appalling record of support to female staff under attack from Lord Rennard she had the hard neck to attend yesterday’s meeting, with Vince Cable in Downing Street, convened by the Prime Minster to thrash out an agreement designed to provide staff employed by politicians with a safe place of work, free from sexual innuendo and abuse.

      The full story of her abject performance as a mentor for women in the party is detailed below.

    300. mike cassidy says:

      Recent Venezuela Coverage Tells Familiar Lies

      The U.S.-Venezuela Aid Convoy Story Is Clearly Bogus, but No One Wants to Say It

      Juan Guaidó: The Man Who Would Be President of Venezuela Doesn’t Have a Constitutional Leg to Stand On

    301. jezza says:

      Liz g

      Bankruptcy never entered my mind when I said MPs should not have the power to reverse the Brexit vote.

      We are talking about two different things Liz.

      Crossed wires.

    302. Chick McGregor says:

      @Robert Peffers

      You are completely correct. A few years back I did some research involving the relative deployment of on shore wind power generation. It exposed the shockingly (sic) low level of on shore wind electricity generation in England. By no stretch of any imagination, however fetid, could it be said that England is doing anything like it’s bit for on shore generation compared to its neighbours in north western Europe.

      The reasons for that, I suspect, lie somewhere midst the mythos created by Blake’s ‘Green and pleasant land’, and his abhorrence of ‘satanic mills’, John Major’s ‘village green cricket and warm beer’ and Blairite Mandelson’s ‘We don’t bash metal.’

      As part of that research I found that Germany has a topographical geography similar to the UK, but in reverse. The southern half of Germany is mountainous like Scotland. Mountains, if anything, a little higher and with less percentage of lowland than Scotland has.

      Topography is a recognised huge factor in on shore wind deployment, so I decided a fairer comparison involved splitting on shore wind production north and south for Germany.

      As expected, the negative topography from an on shore wind generation perspective showed up, southern Germany produced far less than the north, although still many times more than England.

      But at last, I come to my point and the fact which genuinely shocked me. The population density in mountainous southern Germany

    303. Chick McGregor says:

      PS (Pressed return by mistake)
      The population density of southern Germany is virtually identical to that of northern Germany, despite the Highlands-like topography and despite more severe Winters (due to continental climate) than Scotland.

    304. CameronB Brodie says:

      The Brexit referendum was consultative not binding, was won by a slim margin, is being forced through Parliament through a majoritarian abuse of constitutional power, was compromised through electoral fraud and undermined by outright media bias. Is that not enough reason to reject the outcome?

    305. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Apropos my previous post pointing out that the main motivation for the new independent group at Westminster may be to stop the UK having a pro Palestinian PM the link below is fairly stunning

    306. CameronB Brodie says:

      P.S. England is changing it’s mind.

    307. Liz g says:

      Jezza @ 11.45
      We’re both speaking of allowing the Brexit vote to stand.

    308. Chick McGregor says:


      The Wiki link you give for Calgacus is full of all the usual caveats re Calgacus’s speech and even his very existence.

      However, the issue I have always had with them over many years has been in the application of basic historiographical principles, which, ironically, our ‘modern’ historians tell us is vital.

      I look at the possible motives of current historians and what those might be and on the other hand I look at the possibility that Tacitus would invent a speech which not only put Rome in the poorest of lights but more pertinently, Agricola, his own father-in-law.

      Honestly, I have always thought they are hung by their own petard on this one.

    309. call me dave says:

      Jings! Mrs T being reported on Radio 5 as intending to stay on after Brexit when a GE is called. The PM is seriously deluded 🙂

      Business darn Sarf losing orders daily and astonished at how dysfunctional the Tory cabinet is.

      Really! No surprise North of the wall!

    310. jezza says:

      Luz g

      I can’t be annoyed going into the meaning of my post..

      You are coming across as either being thick ir you are trying to play to some kind of gallery.

      Annoy somebody else.

      I can’t be arsed with numbnuts like yourself.

      Honestly,,,,,just ignore my posts,,,then there is no chance of misunderstanding what I mean.

    311. CameronB Brodie says:

      So you’d be happy for England to succumb to a right-wing dictatorship so that Scotland can gain independence. Are you for real?

    312. ronnie anderson says: They always leave a trail at lest we know it wiznae Findlay lol.

    313. jezza says:


      You meet some zooners on this site.

    314. jezza says:

      Camaroon Bar

      WTF are you talking about???

      Would you also please ignore my posts.

      I thought BBC Scotland was bad for manufactured bullshit.

      But it seems to be alive and kickin here on Wings

    315. yesindyref2 says:

      Shut it, tadger.

    316. Liz g says:

      Jezza @ 12.27
      Ok jezza you’re probably right.
      While I can explain it to ye
      I canny understand it for ye

    317. jezza says:

      See what you started Liz g

      You stupid fuckin bitch

    318. jezza says:

      A fucked up Brexit is GOOD for the Scottish Independence vote.

      MPs should not reverse the Brexit vote.

      The more fucked up Brexit is, the higher the Indy vote.

    319. Liz g says:

      Yesindyref2 @ 1.07
      I don’t think that’s possible, it seems, tadger is posting from ego.

    320. Liz g says:

      See what I mean ..
      I actually agree with him and I’m stupid.

    321. Liz g says:

      @ no one,
      A fucked up Brexit is bad
      Very Very Bad
      Even more bad than the BBC could imagine the SNP to be…

    322. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      jezza @ 01:05,

      The likely consequence of your insufferable preciousness and unwarranted rudeness is that soon enough everyone will be skipping your posts, most of which are empty of useful content anyway. If that is what you are aiming to achieve, it appears to be succeeding, though that does seem an inherently self-defeating exercise to me…

    323. Liz g says:

      Robert J Sutherland @ 1.50
      Oh I don’t know so much about self defeating..
      Pontificating while demanding that no one corrects the assertion!
      Certainly a strategy.
      Wrong crowd though.
      And now it’s looking like a resurrection is the preferred option.
      Ah well Robert J,mibbi one day we’ll get a real challenge!

    324. Liz g says:

      Jezza @ 1.38
      The explanation….
      If you want me to ignore your posts..
      You need to stop posting to me..

      The Understanding..
      Sadly that’s all you.

      The Bitch…
      To late, I stopped trying to be a smart arsed bastard years ago when I actually achieved it!
      I understand that you may struggle to understand that!
      But again that’s something you need to do for yourself…

      And sadly with out any help from Cameron or myself cause you’re no speaking to us.
      Wee shame that

    325. Liz g says:

      Petra @ 2.13
      Talk about staged.I
      I’d wager
      That woman has never been in a bar with a pool table in her life.
      She even need to fake fiddling to…well with an actual fiddle..
      Fiddling the people,at that she has great experience 🙂

    326. mr thms says:

      #Dorothy Devine @ 10:35 pm

      “Nae Pasaran on now on the new BBBC Scotland channel.”

      I don’t know how much of it I missed but the bit I did see gave me goosebumps. An amazing true story.

      I was in tears when the last and most elderly of three workers, who had just watched a special screening of the film and received one of the highest awards bestowed to foreigners from the representative of the Chilean government, took to the podium.

      He was very humble, and spoke eloquently of the pride he felt as a Scot and Glaswegian for the actions taken by workers in Scotland that helped to release detainees, the overthrow of the military junta, and the return of democratic government to Chile.

    327. Liz g says:

      mr thms @ 3.19
      Glad you enjoyed one of the programmes on the new channel.
      But I’m afraid it’s probably going to be back to the internet for any more like it.

      Less than 24 hrs in, across my Facebook timeline..
      Joan McAlpine is asking if the companies given the tender to make the new ” Scottish ” programs have more than a nominal presence in Scotland.

      Same shit different day.
      The BBC is really living down to all our expectations..

      Hopefully Nana will have the link’s to the report in the morning…not that it will be news to anyone here!

    328. yesindyref2 says:

      @Liz g
      Article in The National:

      “Hayley Valentine: ‘I’ll defend indyref coverage until my dying day'”

      doesn’t sound promising, she’s head of news on the new channel but in total denial, despite the many complaints and lack of trust. But I’ll give Martin Geissler a chance, see what he’s made of given responsibility for the 9.

    329. Undeadshaun says:

      Brexit may be delayed for 2 years.

    330. Breeks says:

      geeo says:
      24 February, 2019 at 8:12 pm

      Great post, but one small quibble, i have no desire to see dangerous wildlife like bears and wolves roaming Scotland.

      As I recall, the following video was made following the reintroduction of 14 wolves.

      I absolutely take your point about dangerous carnivores, but the logic of your argument is that China and India shouldn’t try to conserve their tigers, or the killing of sharks shouldn’t stop simply because they are predators.

      It’s not about carnivores. The step change only occurs when you understand the apex predators are a vital component of the ecosystem.

      When you see what 14 wolves can do to Yellowstone National Park, just imagine the opportunity which Scotland has.

      Scotland’s great forests were a globally unique ecosystem. They had the same latitude as the great forests of Canada and Siberia, but the Continental Drift spared Scotland’s forests from the numbing low temperatures, creating a unique ecosystem where organisms could survive in Scotland where they would perish elsewhere.

      I can think of nothing more honourable and spiritually fulfilling than ending the inane barbaric slaughter of pheasant and grouse which keeps our hills denuded of native flora and fauna, and persecutes our predators in ways which make sick, and going “full Tonto” to reclaim these barren playgrounds from murderous “sportsmen” and restore the ancient ecosystem in all its glory.

      But that doesn’t mean abandoning our land to nature, because it makes tremendous sense to me to be smart about restoring the ecosystem, and use an integrated approach. Before we lay the carpet of the restored ecosystem, we can put in the “first fix” infrastructure, the power generators, the fibre optics, the road and rail networks, the employment hubs, the recreation zones… We can do the plundering first, do what humans will do, extract what we will, but instead of leaving a barren harvested desert in our wake, we become a benchmark example of how Scotland’s people found a way to advance the vitality of our country by embracing it’s indigenous wildlife and ecosystems.

      I said before I had a personal pipe dream delusion about all Scotland’s animals being “citizens”. I know that sounds lame and do-goody, but what I really mean is adopting a whole new philosophy to our natural environment and our human place within it. Instead of Scots getting misty eyed about how First Americans lived in harmony with their environment, what is to stop us striving to become a modern and current, 21st century inspirational and aspirational example to the rest of the world for the way we Scots can live in harmony and equilibrium with a vital and self healing wild indigenous ecosystem?

      Scotland might be the first country on the planet where the persecution and exploitation of nature and the destruction of habitat was not just halted, but constructively reversed. Visitors to our country could experience an environment and ecosystem brought back from desertification and restored to its former vitality.

      But as Lesley Riddoch suggests, the Scandinavians have their “huts”, which gives their people a getaway from the hustle and bustle. Just suppose we Scots did something to make the Scandinavian’s envious of us… We developed a recreational “super-strategy” which allowed our people to have a stake in our restored wild heritage… perhaps facilities to see our nature up close. Instead of 1950’s Butlins holiday parks, we could have CenterPark type biospheres to get close to nature and see it for real, with slick affordable infrastructure to get you there easily and cheaply without the need of a car.

      Forest parks, coastal schemes… who knows, maybe there’s even potential to integrate tidal wave schemes with recreational marine reserves along the lines of Jaques Cousteau and his underwater domicile experiments below water level, but maybe Iron Age Scottish crannogs above the waterline… that would be quite a place to spend some time…

      If we cross the threshold of limitless, clean energy which doesn’t pollute the environment, we will be able to completely recalibrate what is possible. Plan it now. Think big. Think smart. Life is what you make it.

      Brexit? A blister filled with puss that will shortly explode into a permanently weeping sore. It is so far in the opposite direction from the right trajectory for Scotland.

    331. Dorothy Devine says:

      mr thms, great story and another puddle this end at the presentation ceremony !

    332. Nana says:

      The Japanese aren’t daft – that’s why they’re getting out of Brexit Britain

      Brexit could be delayed until 2021, EU sources reveal

      Amid Brexit Strains, Anglo-Irish Relations Are ‘Fraying’

    333. Nana says:

      This is a scandal. The BBC at mediacity gave permission for a Tommy Robinson rally, with large screen, held on its grounds (administered in conjunction with Peel, the leaseholder) but confiscated EU flags at Eurovision weeks before. Coincidence?

      Brexit: running to the wire

    334. Nana says:

      C?git?re will introduce new and authoritative voices to the debate on Scotland’s future. Our series of podcasts will feature in-depth conversations with experts about how we secure independence, building a new state and Scotland’s global presence. Launching Spring 2019.

      Another fantastic Bridges For Indy event today.

      The remake of The Hustler looks a bit shit.

      There’s goes stupid, again

    335. Abulhaq says:

      The British Broadcasting Corporation and Scotland….the perfect oxymoron like Westminster and popular democracy.

    336. stu mac says:

      @Socrates MacSporran says:
      24 February, 2019 at 9:44 pm

      BBC Shortbread is taking the p


      This seems to be the general consensus (I had a quick look at the Herald for a non-Indy view and the reaction was dubious – compared it to a tired old Hogmany show) was that it was mince.

      One regular point is about the budget not being adequate. I don’t think that’s the real problem. Yes they could do with more money but they don’t appear to be producing anything that is value for even the low budget they have.

      The problem is the people who are producing it. They obviously have no imagination or even the will to be able to create anything interesting. It’s ironic they are going to replay Tutti Futti, a program made 30 years ago featuring a ton of Scottish talent, full of imagination and vigour. An example in fact of what can be done with the right people in charge.

      Orson Welles famously produced a couple of cinema masterpieces on small budgets that he had to beg and borrow to get. It doesn’t matter how much money we gave those folk running BBC Scotland – with a couple of possible exceptions (the odd documentary maker) – they would produce the same tired, old guff they prodcue right now. Nothing will change until there are completely new bunch of folk running things there.

    337. Essexexile says:

      Breeks, I genuinely admire your passion re Scotland’s future environmental policies.
      I’d be interested in your thoughts on how we get there from here, or at least the initial step of returning the land to the people.
      Are we looking at confiscating land or subsidizing alternative uses similar to the set aside schemes in agriculture? Heavily interventionist, long term and confrontational to say the least. A government with some big balls will be needed.
      Wolves will be necessary to control the damaging deer population if mass culls are to be avoided btw. Unless of course we continue to charge fat American dentists a fortune for their ‘trophies’.

    338. Capella says:

      Chick McGregor says:
      25 February, 2019 at 12:14 am

      The Wiki link you give for Calgacus is full of all the usual caveats re Calgacus’s speech and even his very existence.

      I agree. Wikipedia used to be much more reliable until the historical revisionists got busy. I noticed it first in the 2008 US election. An army of revisionists doctored the online personas of the protagonists.

      Now everything remotely political is tainted by the revisionist need to control the message in favour of the Atlantacist viewpoint. Jimmy Wales has apparently become one of them. It’s a pity.

      But we all know this and compensate, as you have done, by applying a bit of reason. One day, the Russians or the Chinese will produce an English language online encyclopedia which the “West” can get thoroughly furious about.

    339. mike cassidy says:

      I always preferred “Your Cheating Heart” to “Tutti Frutti”.

      But there was always something odd about the abandonment of John Byrne after those two masterpieces.

      Any other national broadcaster would have treated him like a national treasure.

      Probably too dangerously Scottish for BBC Scotland.

    340. Nana says:

      May’s statement on the Meaningful Vote delay (with honest subtitles)

      “Serious interest” has been shown in Independent Oil and Gas’s (IOG’s) southern North Sea development assets, the firm said this morning.

      Has #Brexit lost Parliament its sovereignty and stolen our democracy?

    341. Robert Peffers says:

      @CameronB Brodie says: 25 February, 2019 at 12:05 am:

      ” … The Brexit referendum was consultative not binding, was won by a slim margin, is being forced through Parliament through a majoritarian abuse of constitutional power, was compromised through electoral fraud and undermined by outright media bias. Is that not enough reason to reject the outcome?”

      Exactly! Nothing to add – nothing to change.

    342. stu mac says:

      @Capella says:
      25 February, 2019 at 9:25 am
      Chick McGregor says:
      25 February, 2019 at 12:14 am

      The Wiki link you give for Calgacus is full of all the usual caveats re Calgacus’s speech and even his very existence.

      I agree. Wikipedia used to be much more reliable until the historical revisionists got busy.

      It’s true one has to be careful about Wiki (as with any publication) especially where political info is concerned but using the Calgacus story as an example for this is silly. The general historical consensus if you read a range of books is that he may or may not have existed but if he did it’s unlikely he actually made the speech credited to him.

      More likely are words put into his mouth by Tacitus for his own reasons (promoting myth of ‘the noble savage’ possibly some criticism of policy more safely put into the mouth of a foreigner). It’s unlikely when you think of it that the Roman officers there would have bothered to report the speeches of a “barbaric” enemy, especially those critical of Rome.

    343. Robert Peffers says:

      @jezza says: 25 February, 2019 at 1:09 am:

      ” … See what you started Liz g
      You stupid fuckin bitch”

      jezza – you are way out of line -stop the personal abuse now.

    344. North chiel says:

      “Yesindyref2@0546” ref Haley Valentine , what planet was this woman residing on in 2014? The outrageous pro union bias on both the BBC “ branch office” and “ London network” output was as I recall described by one journalist ( can’t recall his name) as being likened to on a “ war level” of anti Independence propaganda ( or similar ). Who can ever forget the “ Nick Robinson ”or “ Jackie the vow” incidents a mere two highlights of a continuous diatribe of anti independence pro union “ propaganda “ culminating in a crescendo propagating “ The vow” ( Devo super Max etc.) against Independence during the final weeks of the campaign .A complete distortion of the vote. Perhaps if she requires “ evidence” she should contact professor Robertson?

    345. Dr Jim says:

      If the Brexit leave the EU vote had been caveated by *It’ll Make Scotland poorer* would the UK vote have been different

      If you think it wouldn’t have, then you must automatically support Scottish independence

      David Mundell Secretary of State FOR Scotland says it doesn’t matter what happens with Brexit the SNP must not be allowed to win because that’s what the people voted for

    346. Petra says:

      Thanks for the links Nana. The BBC is attempting to convince us all that it isn’t biased. If it can give Tommy Robinson the time of day (with a handful of people) let’s see how much coverage they give the AUOB marches with thousands in attendance. We’ll all be patiently watching and waiting…. BBC.

      @ Nana ….”This is a scandal. The BBC at mediacity gave permission for a Tommy Robinson rally, with large screen, held on its grounds (administered in conjunction with Peel, the leaseholder) but confiscated EU flags at Eurovision weeks before. Coincidence?”


      @ CameronB Brodie says at 8:27 pm – ”Petra – Some neuroscience on political persuasion.”

      Thanks for the ”political belief” research findings Cameron. They remind me of a study that was carried out and made public pre-Indyref1 that showed that Independence supporters were risk takers in comparison to the more henny anti-Independence supporters. Shows how Brexit, with NUMEROUS associated risks, will have the ”hens” in a real flap now and may help to swing the Independence vote.


      @ Liz g says at 2:57 am – Petra – Talk about staged. I’d wager that woman has never been in a bar with a pool table in her life. She even need to fake fiddling to…well with an actual fiddle. Fiddling the people, at that she has great experience ?.”

      Well we heard that the most exciting thing that she, May, ever did during her childhood Liz was to run through a field. Says it all, lol. And by the way she wouldn’t have lasted for one minute, as a kid, here in Scotland when you consider what we all got up to.


      @ Breeks at 6:52am ….

      Thanks for the last couple of inspirational posts Breeks. Truly inspirational. A dream for Scotland that could surely become a reality.

    347. john boy says:

      Brexit is a god send for Scottish Independence

    348. CameronB Brodie says:

      David Mundell, Secretary of State FOR Scotland, has the ethical awareness and the morals of…..a Tory. David Mundell Secretary of State FOR Scotland, is clearly a supporter of xenophobic English nationalism. David Mundell, Secretary of State FOR Scotland, clearly does not represent Scotland’s interests.

    349. CameronB Brodie says:

      john boy
      I don’t disagree but Brexit also posses an extreme threat to the integrity of Scotland as a nation.

    350. Capella says:

      @ stu mac – it may seem unlikely that the Romans reported speeches by the Celts which portrayed the Romans in a bad light, but it did happen. Tacitus, Dio Cassius and others filled out their accounts from local sources.

      When Severus was campaigning in Scotland his wife, Julia Domna, recorded conversations with Celtic women tribal leaders. They were mocking the introduction of anti adultery laws by the Emperor in Rome.
      “Celtic women chose their partners openly from the bravest whereas Roman women skulked in secret with the vilest”, said the wife of Argentocoxus, a Caledonian.

      Dio Cassius, Roman History, Bk LXXVII, Vol IX.

      An example of reported speech, mocking Rome, from a source who was on the spot and reliable.

    351. Nana says:

      Latest news from the desert

      Breaking: Donald Tusk says he discussed with Theresa May the legal implications of possible extension to Article 50. “An extension would be a rational decision but Theresa May believes she can avoid this scenario.”

    352. Breeks says:

      Essexexile says:
      25 February, 2019 at 9:15 am

      I’d be interested in your thoughts on how we get there from here, or at least the initial step of returning the land to the people.

      I’d be lying if I said I had all the answers, but no, I’m not the least bit comfortable with the confiscation of lands and estates… although I know too that worse has been done in the past. I think there are Robertsons(?) vowed never to wear their clan tartan until lands forfeit after the Jacobite uprisings are returned to them.

      I have hope that many of Scotland’s landed gentry, for all their political leanings, will be smart enough to see the writing on the wall, and recognise the wisdom in working with the people. There are some good ‘uns here and there, and a fair number aren’t daft or insufferable. There’s even quite a few who’d be quite happy to see the end of grouse murder. For sure, we’d all get along much faster if they were persuaded to work with us rather than against us. Once the Union is finished, after it all calms down, realistically, what other choice will they have? If we know that, so do they.

      I’d like to think the Alladale Estate is maybe an essential partner in how we go about it.

      Don’t forget Scotland will be a wealthy country. If we need to buy out the stubborn few, then who’s to say that’s not a productive use of our oil or renewables Capital Fund?

      I suppose you’ve got to start at the beginning, sit down, and work on a viable proposal, and fly a few kites. The “privileged elite” might be compelled to consider uncomfortable compromises, but so might we. The interim solution might very well ensconce their wealth and privilege, at least for a time and the greater good long term. I’d rule nothing in or out.

      Everybody needs to be encouraged to think the unthinkable. A little bit of mutual trust and respect might pay surprising dividends. Maybe not, but we need to try.

      To be honest, if a Country Landowner with large Estates had secure tenure on living there, but was relieved of paying for the properties upkeep, you might be surprised how flexible they’d be over grouse moors. Time isn’t standing still for these 19th Century Georgian Country piles, chimneys are failing, lead flashings are beginning to leak, stones are weathered and the wood is starting to decay. Walls are falling to bits everywhere.

      Strikes me we have a degree of triangulation there maybe… Toffs keeping the family roof over their heads without holes in it, but the State managing the land use, and maintenance of these many fine buildings becoming the vehicle whereby we start to reinvest in our craftspeople and the traditional hands on skills of our workers. Scotland is for all of us, but trust me, none of us are ready the maintenance these fine properties are going to need… from castles to cathedrals, and shop fronts to chimneys, a goodly proportion of them are pretty f——d.

      I wouldn’t be so niaive as to say we need each other’s help, but I think working together and prepared to think the unthinkable might spawn a few innovations we can all live with. We maybe shouldn’t underestimate the responsibility and pressure some of them feel to stop these properties slumping into decay.

      Whatever “model” we develop for Scotland, it needs to accommodate all on us… Toffs included. If, let me stress IF, we want their land off them, then we need to give them an honourable way out, or an equally honourable way to stay in and be part of the programme.

      We all need to shake the snow globe. Say for example Balmoral. I don’t expect many of us would be content to pay the upkeep on Queenies country retreat…. seems terribly objectionable. And yet, suppose Balmoral belonged to direct blood line descendants of Scotland’s own King Robert the Bruce… how would you feel about it then? Are you anti monarchy or just anti this monarchy?

      Scotland will need years of councilling after this last 300 years of Union.

      Paradoxically, it’s not who owns land which troubles me, but the use that it’s put to.

    353. CameronB Brodie says:

      And here’s some social cognitive analysis of the Brexit vote.

      Brexit or Bremain? A person and social analysis of voting decisions in the EU referendum


      The period following the UK’s EU referendum in 2016 foreshadows significant social and political change in the UK. The current research draws on social psychological theories to empirically examine the drivers of voting decisions during the referendum. We report the results of a prospective study using structural equation modelling with data (N = 244) collected just before, and self-reported voting behavior immediately following (N = 197), the EU referendum.

      We employ a person and social approach to examine the additive roles of worldview, conservatism, social identity, and intergroup threat as predictors of voting intentions and behavior. Results showed that person factors (worldview and conservatism) predicted voting intentions through social factors (European identity and realistic threat), and that intentions predicted behavior. The results highlight the importance of addressing threat-based intergroup rhetoric, and the potential of common ingroup identity to mitigate psychological threat.

      Brexit: how cognitive psychology helps us make sense of the vote

      The Brexit poll, part two

    354. CameronB Brodie says:

      Doh, wrong thread.

    355. Chick McGregor says:

      Capella, Stu mac,

      Tacitus did speak against some of the practices of the Roman empire elsewhere.

      That may be construed, if desired, as a reason for his negative reportage but since he had already spoken openly on the subject that begs the question why then, when he had been open in the past would he feel the need to resort to subterfuge then?

      That isn’t the explanation established historians may like to purvey but there is absolutely no concrete evidence to say he made it up. That is only conjecture.

      For me, the simplest explanation remains that he just reported what he had heard.

    356. CameronB Brodie says:

      IMHO, I don’t think Tacitus should be consider as reliable source for anything other than Roman propaganda.

      Ancient text has long and dangerous reach
      Tacitus helped fuel Nazi propaganda with ‘Germania’

    357. Liz g says:

      Breeks @ 1.07
      For me it’s that the Land can be passed on…
      I would like to approach it through inheritance law.
      The idea is not so far out there… Apparently all land in England ultimately belongs to the Sovereign.
      Well we’re the Sovereign in Scotland..

      So I’d say that anyone can own and use the land,but on the death of the owner the Scottish government must pay the market rate to the estate and acquire the title to it.
      Then look at what should happen to it next.
      If the “great and the good” want their heirs to keep the estate (provided Holyrood has decided it is to remain an estate) then they need to be personally wealthy enough to buy it from us in their own right.

      Obviously this wouldn’t include a dwelling or commercial buildings.
      But the rule of thumb should be that if you didn’t make it or cause it to be there you cannot pass it on after you die.

      In other words Scottish Land and Resources always ultimately belong to the Scots and the dead don’t get to say what the fate of Scottish land and resources are to be!

      Obviously an identifiable owner is a must… A named person if ye like…As is the terms and conditions of what an owner can or cannot do with the title in his/her life time.

      Any one who buys land from the Scots is free to make the money they can from it,and increase it’s value,but, if they wanted their kid’s to have it,said kid’s,need to be.
      A. Affluent enough to buy it in their own right.
      B. Be proactive in the getting of it…it shouldn’t just become theirs automatically,wthiter they wanted it or not.

      We do something like this with the drilling rights for the oil!
      No one can inherit those. (Yes I know there company purchases)
      And it would certainly prevent Water being put in the hands of the rich too.
      It’s the ability to inherit land that’s at the root of the problem,what the land is used for will alter with the time’s!

    358. Nana says:

      Today, 25 February, the International Court of Justice hands down its long-awaited judgement on the injustice done to the people of the Chagos Islands, who were expelled from their homeland by Britain.

      The #ICJ rules that “the UK has an obligation to bring to an end its administration of the Chagos archipelago as rapidly as possible, and all member states must cooperate with UN to complete the decolonization of Mauritius.”
      Link here to ‘ Stealing a nation’

    359. Capella says:

      @ CameronB Brodie – I think it’s a bit unfair to blame Tacitus for Nazi ideology! I’ve just read the Harvard article you linked to and it is extremely thin on facts. Near the end we find:

      Tacitus’ words also helped nationalistic readers to perpetuate an image of the “ideal” German man.

      “Tacitus depicts the Germanic tribes as a moral people, living a pure and simple life,” said Krebs. “His text emphasized their freedom and fortitude.”

      You might think a moral people, living a pure and simple life, characterised by freedom and fortitude, would be worthy role models. But, somehow, Krebs finds these characteristics sinister and war like.

      Readers focused on these characteristics, with the result that “the Germanic people were associated with warrior qualities,” said Krebs.

      Poor old Germania. Moral, pure, simple, freedom loving and long suffering, they clearly harbour Nazi tendencies!

      Their next article is on gene therapy. Scary!

    360. CameronB Brodie says:

      I hear what you’re saying but it was a magazine article, not a full critical analysis.

      The thing about Tacitus is his ethnography was largely a creation of his imagination, and was designed to convey ideology (ethnography tends to be written by the victor). That’s probably why the ethnography of Britain has traditionally given very little attention to the ethinic and cultural differences between Scotland and England. To do so would promote Scottish self-determination, IMHO.


      ….Tacitus is the Roman historian who most exemplifies the complexity of ideology and its analysis, as his narratives both probe and propagate the overlapping ideologies of Principate and senatorial elite, City and Empire abroad.11 Tacitean irony represents ideological belief and its exposure in one, economically dense formulation; as Holly Haynes remarks, ‘he reproduces what people are not even aware they are saying’.12 The historiographer needs to adopt the same approach to Tacitus himself: rather than confining ourselves to what we can ascertain as the intention of the historian, we can gain considerable insight into the author’s commitments to both politics and history through attentiveness to the assumptions which his choice of language conveys.

      John B. Thompson encapsulates the issues perfectly: ‘The terms of a discourse may carry out their ideological role by explicitly referring to one thing and implicitly referring to another, by entangling these multiple referents in a way which serves to sustain relations of domination. Hence the importance of metaphor, of metonymy, of ambiguity: of creative turns of phrase which slide from one object to another or condense several referents into one.’13 As Thompson goes on to explain, interpretation requires us to disentangle and reconstitute these multiple referents, to attempt to understand ancient reality as representation: what, and how, the past means to historical agents and historians….

      Tacitus’ Ethnographies: the Role of the Other
      in the Germania, the Agricola and Histories

      Quid Tacitus . . . ? The Germania and the Study of Anglo-Saxon England

    361. stu mac says:

      @Capella says:
      25 February, 2019 at 11:41 am
      @ stu mac –

      Thanks – Different viewpoints always worth having.

    362. CameronB Brodie says:

      Some Brexit related ethnography. Please note the absence of a Scottish dimension.

      Explaining ‘Brexit capital’: uneven development and the austerity state


      The precise moment that triggered the EU referendum had its roots in the Europhobia that lurked within the soul of the Conservative Party. It has been deeply perturbing to witness such Europhobia played out in the form of an internal party political melodrama while the scandalous socio-economic fissures that fed the Brexit insurgence appeared to represent a mere side-show.

      Taking inspiration from recent work on Brexit as a critical conjuncture, this paper examines how part of this insurgence emerged as a ‘revolt of the regions’ led by communities that had endured sustained economic dispossession of public goods and services further exacerbated by the steadfast commitment by Conservative-led governments to a politics of austerity. In then sharpening the focus on to Stoke-on-Trent – baptized ‘Capital of Brexit’ in light of its status as the city with the highest Leave majority – the paper reveals deep-seated political disaffection as people railed against prolonged economic abandonment and social injustice.

      It further identifies how at the very heart of the Brexit conjuncture was a growing disconnect between citizens and the institutions of government, what amounts to a gradual exhaustion of consent for the neoliberal political economic mainstream. It has also resulted in a highly discordant state that is struggling to balance the process of extricating the UK from the EU with the management of a society that is now more imbalanced than at any time in living memory.

      KEYWORDS: Political economy, uneven development, rustbelt region, exhausted consent, democracy

      The heritage of Brexit: Roles of the past in the construction of political identities through social media

      Identity, Belonging and the Role of the Media in Brexit Britain

    363. Capella says:

      @ CameronB Brodie – I bow to your superior ethnographic apercus. 🙂
      Perhaps tomorrow, with a fresh brain, I will read some of those abstracts and get back to you. Every day is a learning experience on Wings.
      Meantime, it’s bedtime for bozo!

    364. CameronB Brodie says:

      Night night.

    365. Cactus says:

      SO here’s THE MAYDAY going down:

      Ahm thinking THE ABSTAINER may actually slip off from it’s stranded shelf, drop down and descend into the abyss…

      This represents Tory and Labour in England, “The Brexit scene”:

      Another great scene from the movie, maybe:

    366. Cactus says:

      Of course, the fate of THE MAYDAY and THE ABSTAINER was similar but different from that of the original TITANIC, in which they did not strike at the front, they both hit from the rear stern aaaye.

      At first thought it would appear that they were going at full speed REVERSE engines, INTO their self-invented iceberg their aaye…

      But behold me hearties, it seems it was THE U-KIPPER that seeked frae under to destroy em all along aaaye.

      Watching Pirates O ra Caribbean ~ OST.

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