Come March 29th, they will all be doing it. “it wasn’t me”, “I wasn’t there”, “I resigned from cabinet twenty minutes before 11pm”, “I disagreed throughout, whilst in cabinet”, and so on.
With every passing day, the absurd excuses from folk trying to make it look like ‘it wisnae us’, grows longer and longer. They should indeed call themselves ‘the wets’.
Fergus Green says:
23 February, 2019 at 7:15 am
Launch the Scottish Lifeboat.
Aye, but there will still be a fair few that refuse to board.
So sad. 🙁
Robert Louis
5 years ago
Starlaw at 0735am,
I’ve always thought that an indyref could be won easily, with enough of Chris Cairns cartoons on billboards. A picture paints a thousand words and all that…
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Robert Louis
5 years ago
Many, including myself, have no time for the lying propagandist BBC in Scotland. Luckily we now have a national newspaper fighting our corner. They are and have been tackling the BBC liars hard, almost all this week. If you don’t currently buy ‘The National, or want to give it a go, can I urge people to buy a copy.
At last we have a major media source tackling the liars at Pacific Quay, so we should buy the National if possible.
Labour and Tories glad to have avoided the SNP civil war ?
Classic cartoon.
winifred mccartney
5 years ago
Fergus Green – great – launch it when its ready. SNP civil war off the front pages in favour of the real war which will soon be in full swing with labours abstaining coming back to haunt them and the tories rich tax wars tripping them up. If labour thinks anti-antisemitism is a problem wait till momentum mps take over, it will be Armageddon for labour.
But worry not the Scottish lifeboat is coming along nicely.
@Winifred McCartney
It isn’t though, is it? the captain is feart and keeps telling us she will tell us when she will launch it ‘in weeks’. She started saying that back in October, at least.
If Article 50 gets extended we could be in this limbo in the summer.
Malky
5 years ago
Think that’s Brexit covered…
Essexexile
5 years ago
Do Chris’s satirical cartoons appear anywhere but here? Are they in The National?
Too good to be hidden away on an obscure (!) website.
Famous15
5 years ago
The Libdems may be irrelevant but they are not harmless.
The “fragrant” Jo Swinson had a problem with John Nicholson because he is a genuinely nice guy so the Libdems made up this distorted “odious” description of him and spewed it out on every door step. They now believe their own lies.
The Libdems are masters at this propaganda and those of us in Edinburgh West are only too aware of their deceit .Where do they get their money? More leaflats than other parties combined!
CameronB Brodie
5 years ago
Please just get us out of this stinking racist shitehole.
‘Rapefugees Not Welcome’
Ideological Articulations of Media Discourses on Migrants and
Refugees in Europe: New Racism and Othering – A Critical
Discourse Analysis link to lse.ac.uk
Valerie
5 years ago
Great toon as usual, Chris.
I too wish a few choice ones could be on billboards, I’d happily chip in.
The billboards by Led by Donkeys, are doing well down south, the most recent one was huge, awaiting May for her arrival in Brussels.
James Westland
5 years ago
“I thought Fluffy was coming” LOL PMSL. Brilliant Chris.
Abulhaq
5 years ago
Meanwhile:
The United Kingdom will deploy its new aircraft carrier, loaded with two squadrons of F-35 aircraft into the politically-fraught South China Sea.
British Defense Minister Gavin Williamson confirmed in a speech Monday morning that the Royal Navy’s HMS Queen Elizabeth will sail into waters that are the subject of dispute between China and other nations.
At an address given to the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) in London, Williamson said Britain was the second largest investor in the region and it must display “hard power” and “lethality” to help protect interests.
That’s that sorted.
Hamish100
5 years ago
Another great cartoon.
Out of picture is the EU which will continue to strengthen as the wrecks of brexit sink without trace.
Sad to hear Gordon Dewer and Isabel Fraser on bbc scotchland talk about the reintroduction to “this country” of the 14th Century Treason Act.
Yes we all know it applied solely to England and Wales and not to Scotland. Why? Well simple we were a separate Nation.
Independent of England due to tens of thousands of our people sacrificing their lives over many years by fighting against the invader from the south.
You would think the bbc presenters would know that the so called Treason Act under English Law did not apply under Scots Law.
Doesn’t bode well for the new BBC patronising channel starting on Sunday.
Dave McEwan Hill
5 years ago
Famous15 at 9.04
The Libdems are no more than tools for the UK establishment and are herded in and out of the tool box as required.
Because of that useful connection we got 13 LibDem leaflets posted to our address during the 2017 election though they apparently have no funds and no identified membership or organisation in the A&B constituency.
Whenever the electorate get fed up with the major unionist parties the gullible can be safely herded into the fake LibDem corral until things get back to normal.
How would the government of Israel react to a UK PM who supported the Palestinians? Corbyn has to be destroyed.A majority of those “rebel” MPs belong to the Friends of Israel organisation.
The National is doing a fabulous job on the BBC.
Dave McEwan Hill
5 years ago
Jo Swinson should be routinely described as “the odious Jo Swinson” if that’s the game they want to play.
She is presently enjoying the promotion that was routinely afforded previously to Ruth Davidson. QT. Next HIGNFY?
Socrates MacSporran
5 years ago
Muscleguy @ 8.44 am
Did you never watch Braveheart – that bit where Wallace has to continually urge the Scottish ranks to: “Hold, hold, hold”?
Had the Tories not absolutely fucked-up Brexit, a deal would have been concluded by September, or October last year. At that point, knowing what the leaving terms were, the deal should have gone to be ratified by the 27 other nations and the HoC.
The minute that deal was through the HoC, Nicola would have said: “This deal is mince, it harms Scotland, we are going for Independence,” and, whether Westminster liked it or not, the Indyref 2 campaign would have been under way. In fact, we might well have already voted and known the outcome.
But, the Maybot, unable to get her own side to back her, has simply kicked the can down the road, and is now, rapidly, running out of road.
Nicola cannot fire the starting pistol on Indyref2 until she knows what the deal or no deal for leaving is. Supposed she had already done so, and, on realising the reality of losing all that Scottish wealth, the Tories had changed their mind, cancelled Brexit, or given the minimum Nicola wants – a Customs Union and free movement. Well Indyref2 was a lost cause.
Nicola CANNOT act until she knows what we in the Independence movement will be taking-on. And that will be a last-minute call.
She may only have a matter of days, perhaps even hours, to fire the starting pistol, before the dirty tricks begin, up to and including proroguing Holyrood.
The Tories will stop at nothing to keep us as their last colony. This fight will be dirty, but, it is one we have to win.
I am as exasperate at anyone as to how things have turned out, but, we have to Keep the Faith.
Giving Goose
5 years ago
Jo Swinson is a very unpleasant person.
A careerist.
The good people of her constituency who voted for her have been conned.
Jo is a careerist and her party are a charade who exist to enable BritNat rule in Scotland.
Movy
5 years ago
The best thing about Chris’s cartoons is that, in the middle of this black chaos, they make me laugh. I love this one.
Golfnut
5 years ago
The 1708 treason act harmonised( foisted on) the treason laws between Scotland and England. In essence England’s treason laws of 1351 became force in Scotland because of the 1708 Act by the UK Parliament. Parts of that act are still in force in Scotland.
Personally I think these discussions are taking place because of the Withdrawal Bill and its implications regarding the Treaty of Union and Scots Constitutional law when its enforced on March 29. These changes will be about protecting the establishment, albeit in the small print.
defo
5 years ago
Strength to strength CC.
Considering a cruise for the next holiday by any chance ?
Fluffy ting vv funny.
Valerie
5 years ago
@ Socrates
Well said. That’s my view of the situation too. Also, there is a distinct danger if Nicola calls it too early, May circumvents by pulling the rug, and announcing going for a PV, extension etc.
We actually will probably have to wait right up to 29 March, because May wants to keep everyone guessing, and the hard Right will do everything to ensure obfuscation etc., to drag Brexit over that March date.
Labour as we know are a mess, depite great hooha about Coopers amendment next week which prevents No Deal. If anyone in Labour were serious they would be going for Revocation of A50.
I wonder if the copywriters who “created” the SNP civil war could have foretold that the very party they were trying to bolster in Scottish Labour, would soon have their very own realdivisions so publicly aired.
If any Labour members need ammunition for the struggle, I have a jar of Marmite and some Italian breadsticks going cheap. Lethal.
TheItalianJob
5 years ago
@Socrates MacSporran at 9.37am
Well spoken and fully agree with your post there.
There is still too much uncertainty on Brexit and this is very much due to the threat to the U.K. of an Indyref and the potential Independence Yes vote succeeding by Scotland to leave the U.K.
The big flea in the ointment to this Brexit was the overwhelming vote by Scots to remain in the EU. This has undoubtably increased the Yes vote in Scotland as we well know. But in order to secure a Yes vote in Indy2 we need to have full clarity on Brexit and what that is going to entail.
The U.K. cannot afford to lose the revenue generated by Scotland from its many resources and the massive contribution it makes to the U.K. treasury.
As you correctly state jumping the gun before a final Brexit deal is known would be entirely foolhardy and could result in the U.K. renegading on Brexit in order not to lose its great cash cow of Scotland.
Tam fae somewhere
5 years ago
Brilliant
However if that cartoon was stuck on a billboard what percentage of the population would get it? Depressingly with the current media it might be a low number. March 29th and the few weeks after are going to be a real surprise to too many people.
Kangaroo
5 years ago
Great cartoon captures the mood perfectly.
For those of you interested in Global issues that directly impact indy see my post on previous “Counting with James Kelly MSP” thread @ 23 Feb 10:23am
I didn’t want to post it here as people get annoyed by OT posts this early in a thread.
Hamish100
5 years ago
I think the First Minister has been vindicated by being “ca canny”.
Those WoS bloggers encouraged by the tory /labour news media to have a reverenda, now, now , now have been proven wrong.
Labour is self harming daily, the tories are in open war. Lib dems and the independents support Westminster politics including the unelected House of Lords.
The Scottish Public watch on aghast as we are told to shut up an accept Brexit.
Mundel is going to resign for the 10th? time – with even the BBC TV ignoring him when the “Independents” moved from the tory benches.
Yip the First Minister has got it right. We just have to be ready to move fast and hard.
TheItalianJob
5 years ago
Absolutely Hamish
We have indeed be ready to mobilise and move “hard and fast”.
The BBC/STV and the rag paper hacks in Scotland are finding it harder and harder to polish the Lab/Tory unionist turd,
so they are attempting to polish up posh Jo with a bit of publicity brasso to see if they can get her to shine for the unionist cause,
her every cough,belch and noxious fart will be promoted as politically profound judgements.
yesindyref2
5 years ago
@Muscleguy
I personally think postings like yours (which I see elsewhere too) are not only necceessary, but perhaps welcomed by Sturgeon as it shows pressure from the people – something she talked about before.
The problem is of course as you say:
“If Article 50 gets extended we could be in this limbo in the summer.”
but even more that there’s still a chance Brexit could be cancelled completely. Sturgeon did say, however, that even if Brexit is delayed Indy Ref 2 could still be called. We’ll just have to wait and see!
jfngw
5 years ago
Why do we need another referendum? Scotland has already voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU. The government needs to follow the vote of the sovereign people of Scotland.
To those who say we didn’t vote for independence by voting remain, well all votes have consequences. In 2014 nobody voted to have our MP’s made second class at WM, have our devolved powers repatriated to WM, or even have a EU vote in the first place (only one MP from Scotland voted for it).
On another subject, I see Steve Clarke fears sectarianism will never be eradicated from Scottish football. Of course it won’t it is the equivalent of the newspapers click-bait. When the fair being served up is so sparse in quality you need to some insentive to attract the punter.
Street Andrew
5 years ago
Nice one, Chris.
I wish I’d got up earlier.
Hamish100
5 years ago
fngw says:
23 February, 2019 at 10:28 am
Why do we need another referendum? Scotland has already voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU. The government needs to follow the vote of the sovereign people of Scotland………….
I understand you comment – to a point. We can’t ask for a 2nd vote brexit style and not for Scottish Independence. In my day (ancient) a Majority of snp MP’s would have been enough.
A Scottish Independence vote is necessary. We just have to win. Conditions are better now than in 2014.
JLT
5 years ago
That is a very good cartoon, Chris. Rather deep and actually speaks on so many levels of the various Unionist parties.
While Vince Cable (and wee Willie Rennie who has decided to pinch Cable’s idea) offer dissenting MP’s a place in the Lib-Dems, it’s a dangerous move that Vince (and wee Willie) need to be really wary off. It’s basically letting a batch of cuckoo’s come and participate in one’s nest.
The Lib-Dems aren’t exactly a party with a lot of MP’s – inviting just as many dissenting MP’s to become members of your party …could end up wrecking or changing the ideology of your party. What’s to stop the dissenting MP’s if they continue to join the Lib-Dems in ‘large numbers’ from suddenly demanding a change to the leadership and the positions of its current members. The Lib-Dems, while laughing at the moment, could in time become the third party to face internal divisions. As the old saying goes …be careful for what you wish for…
Republicofscotland
5 years ago
Nice one Chris.
Meanwhile the Queen, and the Estated gentry in Scotland are up in arms over paying their fair share in taxes in Scotland.
Lots of talk on this thread about Nicola having to wait util the last minute and then strike quickly, even on 29 March, if the UK Government position finally becomes clear.
However, and please correct me if I am wrong readers, but is it not the case that the EU anti tax avoidance regulations kick in on 1 April?
If so, and the UK has not exited the EU by then, does that mean that people like Philip May, Rees Mogg and the owners of the UK MSM titles will have to explain their income tax manoeuvres? Just imagine the backlash in the press if Article 50 is extended and the Europeans get the fine tooth comb out.
Either way, they are playing into our hands and Nicola is well capable of holding her nerve until the optimal moment.
Hamish100
5 years ago
Strike quickly for me can be this year. Dont want folk to just passively accept a brexit decision. At the moment we have brexit or brexit. The media are trying to imply May’s brexit is somehow “ok”. It aint.
Giving Goose
5 years ago
Re Rennie’s invitation to the other Tories to join his Tory party (you couldn’t make this up); I can see this all being wrapped up as “movement of national inity” with a convenient enemy in the SNP being identified for channeling of BritNat anger.
Republicofscotland
5 years ago
The BBC’s propaganda show Debate Night in Scotland first line up. No Billy Mitchell yet.
John Swinney SNP.
Monica Lennon Labour.
K1
5 years ago
Though unlikely If we ended up in the position of remaining in cu and sm which was and I presume still is Nicola’s ‘red line’. We will still clamour for indy2 vote as the Scottish electorate must have final say in that scenario. Under ‘all’ circumstances…we have a mandate.
Republicofscotland
5 years ago
Apologies for thecabove missing names, here they are.
Murdo Fraser Conservative.
Poet Jenny Lindsay.
Entrepreneur Sir Tom Hunter
CameronB Brodie
5 years ago
Giving Goose
I can also see an “integrity” party forming and democracy being suspended for the duration. It’s happened before.
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Sorry for the early OT Rev., though it isn’t really OT.
Col
5 years ago
Had the misfortune to listen to a bunch of English folk on the radio this morning laugh and joke that Scottish people are ugly and the like. Will be putting a complaint into ofcom and never listening again to absolute radio
Jo Swinson had that funny fake posh accent before she ever moved to England to live,I’ve got a neice and her family living in England for years they don’t have funny fake posh accents, I lived in Spain for 12 years I never ended up talking like speedy Gonzales and I actually speak Spanish, well that’s Mexico but Y’know
galamcennalath
5 years ago
Superb cartoon, again.
Republicofscotland says:
The BBC’s propaganda show Debate Night in Scotland first line up.
Any political debate or paper review etc should have a 50% pro Indy panel and audiience to reflect the reality of Scotland. Going ahead with representation less that half is blatant bias and propaganda.
That line up contains two BritNats and one Indy politician. Two of each would have been a better start. As for the others, Hunter has been very critical of an IndyRef2. Jenny Lindsay, I don’t know.
So that seems BritNat majority either 3:2 at best, possibly 4:1 on the only game in town, the constitutional crisis.
This is purely a geographical term – it refers to the islands of Great Britain and Ireland – including the Republic of Ireland – and the 5000 or so smaller islands scattered around our coasts. Remember this only refers to geography, not nationality, and while the Republic of Ireland is part of the British Isles, its people are not British – a very important distinction”
‘Don’t! I can’t laugh and swim at the same time’. Lol
Boudicca
5 years ago
Very interesting talk last night in Arbroath by Pete Wishart, entitled ‘we need to talk about Westminster’. Lots of background info on the shenanigans down there. He also talked about exciting stuff happening very very soon, though obviously couldn’t, be specific, but we left feeling more cheerful and optimistic. Hold the line, folks.
Organised on the same basis as everything else that’s British
90% English & 10% Scottish representation with a British official in charge
What’s everybody complaining about, that’s the way things are done fairly in Britain, you can’t treat Scotland differently can you, I mean Scotland’s not separate or anything you had a vote and you voted to be a territory of the Great Kingdom of Eng Brit eh UK there got it in the end
Lenny Hartley
5 years ago
Fegus Green theEU anti tax avoidence laws came into force on Jan 1Sth 2019 a cording to Daisy and other posters on this forum, if they were deferred ro new tax year it would be April 6th that they would be effective.
Richard Hunter
5 years ago
They are going to form a new ship at some point..
Dorothy Devine
5 years ago
Love that cartoon Chris!
Had the misfortune to catch Willie Rennie – seems that the ‘Scottish’ Liberals only want to talk about the SNP and how BAD it is and not about what the Liberal Party is going to do or ,indeed what it stands for – if anything other than not paying their bills to the Police or getting away with little scrutiny on their election funds or lying with the protection of being an MP.
Or selling out Scotland to its neighbour and ‘shouting shut up and eat your cereal Happy to see Scotland flushed down the plughole by the bullying , incompetent ,utterly stupid Westminster Government.
Once upon a Joe Grimond the Liberals were a party with gravitas and integrity. Now……
Hamish100
5 years ago
Had a laugh watching the lib dem conference and wullie rennie on the bbc.
Everytime time Swinson’s name is mentioned bbc cut immediately to a close up of her.
The tories version of Davidson. Tories in sheeps clothing.
Meg merrilees
5 years ago
Obvious that the media is building up Jo Swinson as an understudy for (t)Ruthless should the political scene move away from Tory ‘popularity’.
Also she has been tipped to be the next Lib-Dem leader possibly after Vince Cable.I see the Lib-Dems are now trying to amalgamate with the rebel TIG and are prepared to even consider uniting with Tories to gain power.
Have to laugh as I remember about a year ago having a conversation with my cousin – a staunch lib-den councillor. We were musing on how things might develop over the next few months. She stunned me by suggesting that it would be ok so long as the SNP didn’t do a deal with the Tories….. I gave her a withering stare and said that hell would freeze over before that happened and now look where we are!!!!!
Funny how you can go off people.
I wonder what Charles Kennedy would make of it all!
Raises a simple question based on a simple an empirically provable fact. Mind you, just the premise of the pamphlet alone is good for a few laughs.
‘The SNP is using Brexit to break up the UK’.
I mean FFS! Seriously? Whatever folk may think of the SNP, they didn’t instigate this epic shit show. They didn’t endanger international treaties, peace accords or devolution settlements. Westminster government did ALL of that. Westminster government is also currently threatening to rewrite the constitutional settlement on these islands. The SNP didn’t do that either.
According to SiU, independence isn’t the answer. I tend to disagree with that statement, but then I would.
How and ever, back to that very, very, simple question. Why should we, or the electorate in general, trust a word SiU has to say?
The UK we’re looking at today bears absolutely zero resemblance to the UK going forward folks were promised in the run up to the 2014 vote. And I do mean ZERO.
Either:-
a. HMG and the Better Together campaign were less than capable of delivering on their vision and completely unaware of their lack of ability (being nice)
OR
b. They were being….(struggling here)… less than honest with Scotland’s population.
An explanation for folks would be good.
In their own time then. We’re waiting.
Ghillie
5 years ago
Socrates MacSporan @ 9.37 am
Extremely well said =)
Patience. Keep the heid. Hold.
Meg merrilees
5 years ago
There’s a new radio series starting tomorrow on BBC R4 at 1.30 looking at the British Isles and the first programme is considering the differences/history etc between England and Scotland.
I can’t remember the exact words but the final sentence of the Trailer refers to …’ this place which is nothing like England’. How’s that for bias! A balanced trailer would say something like ‘these two worlds so clearly different’ or ‘these separate cultures’ NOT…. ‘…this place which is nothing like England..’
Typical London centric BBC propaganda. Sadly won’t be able to hear it as I shall be out and about and don’t have access to I-player.
Dan
5 years ago
Haven’t noticed this link from yesterday posted yet.
“No-deal sets the stage for Britain’s biggest negotiations”
(It wouldn’t archive in Wayback Machine so resorted to save link with archive.is, this means it does lose some features like the embedded vid)
BBC – “ The leader of the Scottish Liberal Democrats has urged disillusioned Conservative and Labour politicians to “come and talk to me”.
They couldn’t get a word in for his gibberish excitement!
CameronB Brodie
5 years ago
Meg merrilees
I’m not sure if it’s propaganda or simply a blinding example of English cultural chauvinism. Don’t you know London is the center of the universe? I think it’s more the latter than the former, though I suppose overbearing cultural chauvinism could be considered a form of social conditioning.
Davy
5 years ago
** SMALL SHED FOR SALE **
CONTACT: W. Rennie. –
No longer required due to lack of credibility & policys.
Guaranteed conference size (libdem-ukip-Dup)only.
Price : “following libdem standards – will want lots £££ for next to nought.
Jack Murphy
5 years ago
Just found this from three days ago.
Edinburgh Conservative Councillor is going to Vote Yes to Scottish Independence.
Thanks to Progress Scotland on Facebook and Cllr. Ashley Graczek.
Short Facebook video:.
Hope the link works OK. [smile]
Tories want to punch you in the face
Liberal Democrats say you should complain but stay
Labour say you should complain even more but stay
SNP say let’s not stay to be punched in the face
Unionist parties say leaving’s not the answer to being punched in the face
What’s the answer then? *Bullied Together*
Phronesis
5 years ago
‘The past two years have been littered with startling episodes of delusion and incompetence from the government, of which Theresa May’s apparent belief that major concessions will be made to her at the European Council of 21-22nd March is only the most recent. But these two years have also been littered with startling episodes of prevarication and wishful thinking from Parliamentarians…
Much more likely is that the UK will leave the EU with “no deal” as result of the fecklessness and incompetence that the Prime Minister and her Cabinet have shown throughout the Brexit negotiations – and which they show precious little sign of remedying at this late stage’
“Westminster might be the mother of all parliaments but it’s not the boss of other parliaments and I know the European Parliament will not vote for a withdrawal agreement that does not do right by Ireland,” Varadkar said at a Fine Gael event (the governing Irish political party of which he is a leader).
This is the result of the WM ideologues- a feckless and incompetent elite influence that pushed an agenda rooted in racism, entitlement and cultural exclusion to whip up popular support. Racism is top down – from the very top of the WM cartel it seems- fuelling fears of loss of employment, housing and income as relative deprivation looms to detract from poor political domestic choices. Framed by stereotyping and outright cultural polarisation, the tragedy for those who swallowed this poisonous discourse hook line and sinker aided by a compliant mass media is that the worst effects of Brexit will be visited upon those least likely to be in a position to mitigate its effects.
Jobs going? NHS collapsing, buried under deals for profit organisations ? Agricultural subsidies shrinking? Exit of the workforce that we need to keep many businesses going? It matters not if one can shift one’s money around the global markets, avoid taxation and short the markets. Little lives with their little amounts of visible monies are irrelevant, if they are homeless and hopeless it is not the concern of the WM cartel.
Scotland will have the opportunity soon to make a sensible choice on behalf of current and future generations who want to contribute to a thriving, outward looking and inclusive small country. Scotland, the country, has already made an unequivocal democratic choice to remain an outward looking, welcoming and inclusive country – when the time comes to further assert Scotland’s autonomy it won’t be a difficult decision.
Meg merrilees
5 years ago
Dan @1.09
That’s come from nowhere and is a bit unnerving.
If genuine, it breaks the deadlock argument for her deal/no deal proposition and is effectively an extension of Article 50 plus, except we will have left?
If we leave with no deal, then am I right in thinking that the Withdrawal Bill will not apply – hence the WM power grab would not be applied? OR
The first topics they want to consider are fishing and money ( where most of their votes could be lost) but does that mean they are assuming the powers over fishing? i.e. the power grab will happen regardless.
If we leave with no deal, in what is seeming to be a ‘managed no deal’ have we actually left?
Do we still have ECJ /human rights cover, will Holyrood still have powers or have these been already legislated out at 29th March 23.00 hours.
Perfidious Albion about to pull a rabbit out of the hat?
All a bit disconcerting – hope Nicola is across this one.
interested to read other’s views.
auld highlander
5 years ago
Did any of you observant folks watching the rugby notice how the bastard broadcasting corporation drowned out the crowd’s singing of Flower o’ Scotland concentrating on the plaayers voices yet when the La Marseillaise was sung the crowd was clearly heard singing their anthem and nothing from the French players even though they were singing.
Our auld friends just got their first try.
Cool cartoon by the way.
HandandShrimp
5 years ago
Willie Rennie offering advice to disenchanted Labour and Tory MPs? Now there is a thought. This way to the political event horizon perhaps?
🙂
Dorothy Devine
5 years ago
I watched a bit of undercover boss simply because it was a Mohican casino run by a fellow called Two Dogs . He said that it was the chiefs and elders job to consider 13 generations on so that all could benefit from the plans put in place. The tribal government was financed by the casino, many worked in the casino , it supported the tribe with a kind of social security and they put money into education.. The rest went to maintenance and expansion .
I really liked the idea of having to look forward 13 generations much like ‘ we do not inherit the earth from our ancestors we borrow it from our children’ Chief Seattle is credited with that.
Good to know that at least some folk on this earth have foresight.
Lenny Hartley
5 years ago
Auld highlander, the beeb are only broadcasting, not directing, you can blame our old friends for that,
ronnie anderson
5 years ago
Dorothy Devine And the story goes back further than what was broadcast , being dispossessed of their native lands they were put onto reservations & when they wanted to start casino’s guess what he big white chief he say no , it would stop revenues from Atlantic City & Vagus casino’s it ended up in Court as to who owned the land big White Chief or The Mohican People . Im glad the y won out .
Scott
5 years ago
Who is in charge of the security at the Lib con if it is Police Scotland I hope Rennie will not welsh on paying up,have they ever settled the last bill the owned
Actually, Nicola was asked if an extension to Article 50 would delay her decision on indyref timing of “in the next few weeks” and she said emphatically NO it would NOT delay it.
Do you really think Nicola has been touring the EU to talk about the weather ?
Robert J. Sutherland
5 years ago
Meg merrilees @ 14:17,
As I understand it, Meg, there is no coupling between the kind of exit and the extensive powers the UK will assume on exit. We will be just as vulnerable – if not even more so – than with May’s “deal”.
The biggest diff will be for Ireland, with no-deal there will be no backstop and therefore the potential for serious amounts of trouble over the border, which at its most benigh would take the form of a (re-)unification poll. (Which might make us look like silly ditherers, but that’s another story!)
What the article was considering was not a “managed” Brexit, at least in the first instance. It was a very novel take (for me anyway), the notion that the EU could calmly let the UK take the hit of a full-on no-deal exit, and cause it to humbled enough by the dire consequences to come back to the negotiating table with a more realistic and less arrogant approach.
The million-dollar question in that case is whether Dis-May is willing to go along with that scenario just to get us out on timetable as promised and perhaps be more free to scrap previous red lines therafter. If so, it’s a perilous course indeed. The humiliation and other fallout could produce very unexpected consequences, and not only over Ireland. It isn’t even clear which government the UK might have, if present Tory/Labour fragmentation escalates, as it well might.
However, by then we might have made our own moves anyway. I don’t believe that this putative course of events, were it come to pass, would hinder that at all.
This current reasonable wish for Brexit “clarity” has its limits. There may be a point in ongoing turmoil where it will be advantageous to impose our own clarity as an attractive way out of the megaguddle.
handclapping
5 years ago
I am now expecting a re-drawing of this with the SS Cabinet Minister in due course. Except in that (those) case(s) there was something worth salvaging, and a bloody good film it was too.
Abulhaq
5 years ago
I commend this to my fellow Nicolasceptics. link to scotsman.com
There’s never been a more golden opportunity to quit this failing Union. England is at war with itself.
If we delay further, we and the quest for independence might well fail with it and an expectant generation will have been betrayed.
galamcennalath
5 years ago
Jeremy Hunt has pissed off Slovenia by saying it was ‘a vassal state of the Soviet Union’ when of course it was part of Yugoslavia (socialist, neutral, and certainly not under USSR domination).
I have a profound and lifelong hatred of Tory philosophy and attitudes. However, to this is now added amazement at their levels of ignorance. Hunt is the Foreign Secretary and yet doesn’t seem to have a grasp of European geography and history. It’s not a one off – consider the arrogant bullshit directed at the Rep of Ireland. Or, virtually everything Johnson or Rees Mogg utters.
Thatcher’s Tories were not nice people, but I don’t remember them also being thick as mince?
Socrates MacSporran
5 years ago
OFF-TOPIC – ABOUT SPORT
A very good game in Paris, with a disappointing outcome for Scotland, and a few talking points, ver-runs slightly. Lots of talking points to go over.
But, no, Auntie BBC decides, we have to be dragged immediately away from Paris to Cardiff – so that we don’t miss a second of their half-hour build-up about how wonderful England are.
Know your place you Sweaties. You don’t matter, it’s all about England.
Gary45%
5 years ago
Yet another classic Chris, your “toons” are one of the highlights of the week.
Nice One.
Tories playing hide and seek in Inverness this morning, didn’t bother engaging with them as other more important priorities were on the go.
Clootie
5 years ago
Nicola has played a blinder by waiting. It now doesn’t matter if Art50 gets delayed because people have had the chance to see Westminster collapse without the distraction of demands for a Scottish Independence during the talks. Nicola cannot be blamed for the chaos surrounding the votes.
People are also beginning to realise that no matter the result of any votes the travel will be to the right and the gap between the UK and Europe will grow ever wider. If they open their eyes a bit more they will detect the door being opened to America and lower food standards and the privatisation of the NHS.
As the cartoon suggests the rats are on the run and they will soon turn on each other. The LibDems will demand we go down with the ship. Labour will go down with the ship due to indecision. The Tories will take private jobs in the USA takeover.
The time to go approaches fast.
Effijy
5 years ago
We Willie Rennie promoting a possible alliance with the new English Independent Group. Seem that could work together and not field candidates where they might dilute the voters who can keep SNP out and Westminster’s boot on Scotland’s throat.
I see yet another Tory MP is caught fiddling his expenses.
I see another Labour MP has resigned.
No Deal Brexit only 5 weeks away.
I see the big story is pigeons killing Scottish NHS Patients
and the SNP bad on work place car parking even though it doesn’t exist.
Lenny Hartley
5 years ago
galamcennalath @4.22 yot post reminds me of the story when Robin Cook was a Labour Foreign Secretary, when he took over that office of State, apparently there was a huge oil painting celebrating the British Rule over Dark skinned people, Cook decreed that was too Imperialistic and had it replaced by a huge oil painting of Oliver Cromwell, First official foregn dignitory to his office since the Cromwell painting went up was the Irish Foreign Minister,
If anybody is wondering what Cromwell did to Ireland i recommend you get a copy of Peter Berresford Ellis book entitled to Hell or Connaught. This is the choice given to the Irish by Cromwell be killed or be transported to Connaught where conditions were so poor you would have little chance surviving. Morrissey of the Smiths mentions it in a song “The English are sick to death of Labour and Tories
And spit upon the name Oliver Cromwell and denounce this royal line that still salutes him
And will salute him forever.”
Lenny Hartley
5 years ago
Re last posr perils of trying to multitask like watch the rugby, anwser messenger and post on Wos, should be that Morrissey mentions Cromwell in a song!
Bobp
5 years ago
Get back in your kennel Scotland. Yo englands bitch.
yesindyref2
5 years ago
Ah well, vive The Auld Alliance, nice of Scotland to turn up for the odd few minutes to allow France to show off.
Who would give money to the failing rag the hootsman don’t click on the link.
Legerwood
5 years ago
Robert J. Sutherland says:
23 February, 2019 at 4:08 pm
Meg merrilees @ 14:17,
“”As I understand it, Meg, there is no coupling between the kind of exit and the extensive powers the UK will assume on exit. We will be just as vulnerable – if not even more so – than with May’s “deal”.
The biggest diff will be for Ireland, with no-deal there will be no backstop and therefore the potential for serious amounts of trouble over the border, which at its most benigh would take the form of a (re-)unification poll. (Which might make us look like silly ditherers, but that’s another story!)””
…..
Robert,
I think I would take the opposite view about an Irish re-unification poll if they go for that.
Rather than making us look like ditherer it would in fact strengthen the likelihood of a second indyref and increase the likelihood of a Yes vote.
An Irish re-unification referendum would ‘normalise’ such a referendum as a response to Brexit and thus Scotland holding indyref2. Furthermore it would mean that, in the event of a Yes to re-unification, the break-up of the UK would already be underway and not laid solely at Scotland’s door.
That is likely to be important for those Scots who have some sort of residual loyalty to the idea of the UK. If it is already breaking up then them voting Yes in indyref2 would not be initiating the break-up.
Could be wrong of course but I think you have to look for the positives and in doing so make situations work for you.
Tinto Chiel
5 years ago
@Lennie Hartley @5.04: good anecdote about Mr Cook.
Whether in Drogheda or Dundee, Cromwell was pretty vile.
Robert J. Sutherland
5 years ago
Clootie @ 16:46:
Nicola cannot be blamed for the chaos surrounding the votes,
Very true, but the usual suspects are still trying! =sigh=
However it’s getting so transparent to almost everyone now that it’s surely backfiring.
Gary45%
5 years ago
Wee Wullie Rennie, runin thru the toon,
Here, there, everywhere lookin like a cloon,
Wi his pals Jo an Vince,
wi knowledge pretty sparse,
All the punters tellin them,
“stick your policies up your a*rse”
The Liberal Dums in crisis,
They huvnae got a clue,
Seein wee Wullies coupon,
is enough to mak ye spew.
When Wullie looked in tae the crowd,
seein awe they empty seats,
Never missin an photie shoot,
he began tae greet,
Sumday fae thon BBC,
Feelin sorry fur his state,
Blamed thon nasty SNP,
fur his parties sorry fate.
I do agree, actually. I have evidently failed to make sufficiently clear my point on that! An Irish border poll would surely shame us into following suit, if by then there was still any residual reluctance.
Better of course to be ahead of the curve, but whatever it takes…
Tinto Chiel
5 years ago
O/T but may be of interest: good Waspi Women march today from Festival Park to Govan Cross. Difficult to estimate numbers but maybe two or three hundred marchers, with quite a large police presence.
Good speeches from the FM and Mhairi Black in particular. Message: keep on keeping on, Waspi Women!
Mary Barbour wore Waspi and Suffragette regalia for the occasion.
As usual, NS mingled with the crowd and there were plenty of selfies.
galamcennalath
5 years ago
Cook decreed that was too Imperialistic and had it replaced by a huge oil painting of Oliver Cromwell
Funny how BritNat Scots don’t see Cromwell in the same light as the Irish do!
No doubt it’s because the Irish have ‘updated’ their history over the last 100years. Scotland’s history is still very much seen through the occupiers’ eyes.
“September 1, 1651 the day a fifth of Dundee’s population were massacred … Across this prosperous and well-ordered city Monck’s troops smashed into homes robbing, killing and r8ping. … The plunder was exceptional and the murder without equal in Scotland’s history. “
‘Scotland’s history is still very much seen through the occupiers’ eyes’
Another example is that many people see the Jacobite risings as a Protestant/Catholic thing.
In fact virtually the entire Jacobite army in 1715 and around 70% of the Jacobite army at Culloden were Episcopalians – a post-reformation Protestant church which was the original ‘Church of Scotland’
There were other Episcopalian priests on Drummossie Moor at the Battle of Culloden. Both the Muster Roll of the Prince’s Army and the List of Prisoners of the Rising contain the names of several chaplains. Clan Cameron took its motto Let us Unite seriously and was an ecumenical clan. Three chaplains are listed in the muster roll – the Reverend Duncan Cameron, of Fortingall (Episcopalian), the Reverend Alexander Cameron, brother of the Chief, (Roman Catholic) and the Reverend John Cameron, of Fort William (Presbyterian).
galamcennalath
5 years ago
Tinto Chiel says:
Whether in Drogheda or Dundee, Cromwell was pretty vile.
From what I can gather, the massacres were of similar magnitudes. Perhaps 3500 at Drogheda, 2500 at Dundee. It looks like Dundee’s deaths were proportionally greater among civilians. Truly awful events.
Every Irish person will know about Drogheda. How many Scots know about Dundee’s similar misfortune two years later?
Bobp
5 years ago
Galamcennalath 5.42pm Nothing like a bit of airbrushing of history by the occupiers.
Brian Doonthetoon
5 years ago
RE: Dundee and Monck.
When the City Churches’ gardens were being renovated quite a number of years ago, many skeletons were found around the foot of the Auld Steeple.
A quote from the following link:- “In the middle of the 17th century, Dundee was besieged again, this time by the English General Monk.
Being a well-fortified and thriving Royalist stronghold, Dundee withstood the siege for six weeks until the garrison and many innocent citizens were betrayed and massacred, and the Governor was ignominiously beheaded after three days heroic defence of the Great Tower of St. Mary.
Periodic excavations in Nethergate unearth human skeletons and bones, probably victims of Monk’s massacre.”
RJS 5.41pm. I think that might swing indy for scotland, if the irish shame can us into it by doing it first.hope so.
Bobp
5 years ago
Can shame us into it first.
Robert J. Sutherland
5 years ago
Glamaig @ 17:53:
Episcopalians – a post-reformation Protestant church which was the original ‘Church of Scotland’
Oh dear, not only a tautology, but a conclusion that can only be reached by employing a great deal of sophistry. In Scotland (as in the Low Countries and present-day Switzerland), the great religious reforms of the 16th Century were most definitely Calvinist in nature, not Episcopalian, which was a solely English development caused by the personal difficulties Henry VIII eventually had with the Mother Church.
Indeed, it was the subsequent attempt by Charles II to foist the latter onto an already firmly-established organic reformed church which caused such violent ructions as the Covenanter uprising. So only the “established church” by English diktat. (‘Twas ever thus.)
The only subset of the Scottish population among whom Episcopalianism took significant root was the landed gentry. (As it largely remains in their descendants today.)
galamcennalath
5 years ago
Bobp says:
Nothing like a bit of airbrushing of history by the occupiers.
Makes you wonder what all those historians in Scottish universities have been doing with their time? Selective research? Research not known widely? Or, collective complicity with the BritNat version of events?
O/t I was watching on u tube the Rev Iain Paisley stating that Tony Blairs government was willing to cut Northern Ireland adrift unless he signed up to the good Friday agreement.
Wonder if that thought has crossed our prime ministers mind.
Bobp
5 years ago
I would guess collective complicity to keep their cushy jobs and pensions.
Tom Kane
5 years ago
Chris, it looks like you had a lot of fun with this one. Everywhere in it there’s something funny about our mad politics world.
For me, this is an utter classic. I’d have it on our equivalent of the ceiling of the sistine chappell… Wherever that is…
But somewhere high enough up to be safe from vandals, and something to look up to and marvel at.
Sooperb!
Petra
5 years ago
Chris I reckon that your latest cartoon highlights that you’re being pretty pessimistic about the situation, especially if you take into account that Gavin Williamson, fireplace and pottery salesman come Secretary of State for Defence, has it all in hand.
@ Dr Jim says at 11:53 am …. ”Jo Swinson had that funny fake posh accent before she ever moved to England to live, I’ve got a niece and her family living in England for years they don’t have funny fake posh accents, I lived in Spain for 12 years I never ended up talking like speedy Gonzales and I actually speak Spanish, well that’s Mexico but Y’know.”
She’s supposed to be the MP for East Dunbartonshire. I wonder if her constituents are aware of the fact that she’s living in England? How can she do her job properly? Aw right …. she doesn’t.
………………………………..
@ galamcennalath says at 4:22 pm …. ”Jeremy Hunt has pissed off Slovenia by saying it was ‘a vassal state of the Soviet Union’ when of course it was part of Yugoslavia (socialist, neutral, and certainly not under USSR domination). I have a profound and lifelong hatred of Tory philosophy and attitudes. However, to this is now added amazement at their levels of ignorance. Hunt is the Foreign Secretary and yet doesn’t seem to have a grasp of European geography and history. It’s not a one off – consider the arrogant bullshit directed at the Rep of Ireland. Or, virtually everything Johnson or Rees Mogg utters. Thatcher’s Tories were not nice people, but I don’t remember them also being thick as mince?”
Levels of ignorance? It’s been a REAL eye-opener galamcennalath with Karen Bradley, Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, admitting that ”she was profoundly ignorant of the country’s political divisions and “slightly scared” of the place” and of course Dominic Raab, ex-Brexit secretary, being another example …. of many. The upside to Brexit is that it has divulged that it’s a bunch of birdbrained clowns that are running the show. Let’s hope that non-political Scots have noticed.
Well done Wales, didnt know there were so many 80 minute patriots there 🙂
Bobp
5 years ago
When i was 10 yr old we left Scotland to move to Ireland ( i went to st johns in the gorbals in the 60’s.). I dont know too much about Scottish history, other than what i learned myself in later years. But i can tell you all about the 1916 easter rebellion. Boys of wexford, black and tans etc, every period of irish history. Nothing airbrushed or left out. Which would have been had Ireland not won her independence. I think this is why some of the scottish population have a lack of self worth.
hackalumpoff
5 years ago
@Tinto Chiel at 5:33 pm
The Barsteward still lingers in Stornoway at Olivers Brae and Cromwell Street. As with the Mannie at Golspie, we will so enjoy dealing with these anachronisms in our own good time ?
Glamaig
5 years ago
Robert J. Sutherland says:
23 February, 2019 at 6:28 pm
‘Episcopalian, which was a solely English development caused by the personal difficulties Henry VIII eventually had with the Mother Church’
Episcopal Church is a native Scottish church. It is the only member of the Anglian communion not to be an offshoot of the Church of England.
In 1560 the Scottish Parliament removed the Popes authority in Scotland. Reformation stage 1. The Presbyterian church did not become the established church in Scotland until 1592. Until then the Episcopal church was the Church of Scotland.
John Knox progressed from reforming Catholic priest, to the Episcopal church and eventually started following Calvin.
However my point is that the Jacobite risings were not Catholic risings as some people think. Catholicism had been illegal since 1560 and were only around 1-2% of the population by 1745.
The different BritNat factions are tearing themselves apart over Brexit. Only one thing would definitely unite them – guaranteed:
A premature Scottish independence referendum.
Now why would we want to do that?
The MSM would have a field day: “Oh Look an Indy Squirrel!” followed quickly by “No Surrender!”. The WM civil war has just kicked off. Never interrupt your enemy.
We will get our chance, folks. Best to let the dust settle first. Not long now, but the Brexit Express still has a few yards of track before it hits the buffers.
Just saying. 🙂
jfngw
5 years ago
I would think that for most Scots the scales must have fallen from their eyes at the contempt WM politicians have for Scots. Unfortunately it is also held by a number of politicians from the BritNat parties here, truly the house Jocks that will take any insult as long as they feel they have personally gained.
If we are looking for odious politicians there are, as far as I can tell, plenty to see within the BritNat based in Scotland parties (100% in the LibDems, can anybody name one with any redeeming features).
Remember the only parties that are against independence are not Scottish and are financed by another country.
gus1940
5 years ago
Good old BBC.
They could hardly wait after the final whistle to go over to the Cardiff build-up after the briefest of post match analysis.
After that not a mention of the SF game until the news with a few seconds.
hackalumpoff
5 years ago
WTF is it with emojiis on this site ???
K1
5 years ago
WordPress doesn’t recognise emoji’s, emoticons format hackalumpoff.
You have to use old fashioned colons and semi colons and brackets to make ‘smilies’ appear btl on here.
So for a smile:
Colon : dash – right hand bracket )
Altogether 🙂
For a wink:
Semi colon ; dash – right hand bracket )
Altogether 😉
For a wee sad smiley:
Colon : dash – left hand bracket (
Altogether 🙁
For an eyeroll:
Colon : the word roll then colon :
Altogether 🙄
K1
5 years ago
Fur when yer really annoyed:
😡
K1
5 years ago
Colon : the word mad then colon
Altogether 😡
Kinda permanent state of affairs these days 😉
hackalumpoff
5 years ago
@K1 thanks for that, I tried to cut and paste an emojii from another post but it failed.
I’m obviously as good at cut and paste as Tinto was yesterday LOL.
Looks like I’ll have to dig out my old DOS shortcuts from 1992.
K1
5 years ago
Welcome hackalumpoff, they just come up as question marks unless ye physically input them. 😆
mike cassidy
5 years ago
The sands of emoji ma.
Tinto Chiel
5 years ago
“As with the Mannie at Golspie, we will so enjoy dealing with these anachronisms in our own good time ?”
Do you have a plan, hackalumpoff?
I believe money for it was raised by subscription (!).
From his “grateful tenantry”, so it is said.
🙄
Thanks, K1.
heraldnomore
5 years ago
Wee Wullie’s Works Do in Hamilton Town Hall. They’re not even on the stage. They’ve built their own wee platform halfway down the hall floor. So they can’t even half fill half the hall.
Winnie Ewing took to the stage in that same hall.
yesindyref2
5 years ago
Well, what a day. Before today I would have said and think I did say that England were unbeatable. But Wales held them in the first half and broke them in the second. Scotland take note. Looking back to the Scotland match, they were there for the third half. But perhaps one mistake that counted was that Townsend should have sent on the forwards just 5 minutes earlier, and with a litle less desperation to get the points back, that in turn could have broken France.
mike cassidy
5 years ago
Interesting article.
The Independent Group is go – but how do you become a political party in the UK?
Among other things
“…the treasurer would have to supply all the details about their financing. This would open them up to financial scrutiny that they can currently avoid.”
So maybe we’ll find out how many bags of money have been handed over by the Israeli embassy!
I had printed it off, kept it, and would you believe, last night – thought hmm don’t think I need to keep this anymore and chucked it… tis always the way.
From memory, the EU tax haven legislation came into being 1/1/19, however, it is being implemented/ratified in stages, the next big implementation part of the legislation coming in June or July ’19 and another chunk next year.
The accepted wisdom from the tax lawyers was (and this was before Terrible May’s deal was brokered) that if we left on 29/3/19 the EU would not pursue this 3 month period.
If an extension is/was granted to A50 then it would… and they would start pursuing this – however, Terrible May’s deal managed the previously unheard of (which is why although the tories would prefer No Deal – and sell of NHS, etc, they can also live quite happily on TM’s deal, if they have to) in that it allows for ‘sort of’ alignment and cobbled together trade – but with the unique bit being – any disputes will be adjudicated under British Laws – not Euroean Court of Justice… and that means no EU Tax Haven Legislation.
(If the ECJ is in charge then you have to accept ALL their laws, not just dump the ones you don’t like).
I’m not sure if that helps clarify things a bit, and I’m sorry I can’t point you to the source. It wasn’t hard to find in all honesty – a wee bit of Googling and speed reading did the trick.
One last bit re the EU Tax Haven Laws – they are not imposing or setting tax levies – just insisting that the Banks in the Off Shores itemise, quantify accounts and name a person responsible for them so that the home countries can tax them according to their own rules.
I’d love for someone to work out and Ask in HoC how much tax revenues the UK is likely to raise for the economy if it is rolled out and enforced. Rather a lot I’d suggest.
Kind regards to all. Very glad to hear Pete Wishart talking strongly and positively about the future – I hope and pray.
Dan
5 years ago
Robert J. Sutherland says:
23 February, 2019 at 4:08 pm
“This current reasonable wish for Brexit “clarity” has its limits. There may be a point in ongoing turmoil where it will be advantageous to impose our own clarity as an attractive way out of the megaguddle.”
Aye, one indeed does wonder just how much and what type of further “clarity” is required.
All those various impact assessment studies that found Scotland and latterly the UK leaving the EU would have negative effects pretty much across the board in societal and economic terms.
We’re already currently having to endure significant negative effects before “leaving” (in whatever shape or form it may or may not manifest in) has even occurred.
This damage which will be difficult to come back from or even mitigate against with the limited powers (which may be reduced further) we have is in the process of being done.
Which comes back to the following:
“We believe that the Scottish Parliament should have the right to hold another referendum if there is clear and sustained evidence that independence has become the preferred option of a majority of the Scottish people – or if there is a significant and material change in the circumstances that prevailed in 2014, such as Scotland being taken out of the EU against our will”.
It states “being taken out of the EU against our will”. I read that as in the process of or it would have said “having been taken out of the EU against our will”.
Of course the “such as” in itself could cover all sorts of stuff, like you know, having an EU ref. foisted upon us in the first place by a party that broke electoral law to gain power, then an EU ref “winning” result being obtained by a campaign that was also found to have broken the law and undermined democratic principles, etc, etc…
It’s so very apt the ship theme of Chris’s cartoon.
When I worked on boats and rigs the safety training was to quickly and safely get to the muster stations and lifeboats to give as much time as possible in case there were extra issues arising with the launch process or the boat’s engine wouldn’t start.
You don’t muck around with brinkmanship trying to find your phone charger or iron your underwear before putting on your life preserving immersion suits.
Dave McEwan Hill
5 years ago
heraldnomore at 7.40
Memories. I chaired the eve of poll at Hamilton and we were expecting a few hundred. Ludovic Kennedy announced he was with us and was coming to speak. Somwhere between two and three thousand turned up and filled the hall,the balconies and the passageways.
I (as a 25 year old who had never chaired anything vaguely like this before figuratively shat myself) and was probably incoherent but it didn’t matter. It was cheering from the word go. We knew we were doing well but were afraid to dream. But that night I will never forget (not least because my young brother was there with the Strathclyde University Labour Club shouting all the way through).
Interestingly a young Labour star from Ayrshire had come into our rooms at Peacock Cross and told us he believed we were winning. “They’re sitting down in the Labour Rooms drinking tea” he said “and they won’t believe me”. That was a guy called Jim Sillars.
Cactus
5 years ago
Anbuddy ever tried to swim and laugh at the same time… it’s excellent fun, you should try it sometime, backstroke recommended. 🙂
Notice how there are no longer any Unionist politicians on board either of their broken ships, they have already gone overboard and under, are about to go down with their unrespective boats, or they are indeed also the present day equivalent of ‘spitting image political rats’.
Notice also how THE MAYDAY craft has already split-in-two, this is the part where the bow goes vertical and bobs up n down in the water furra couple ah minutes before going down to the bottom of the English Channel. Aye may share a familiar and demonstrative video wae ye’s laters…
“What’s that you say Coastguard… both of their boats struck their iceberg on route from Dover to mainland Europe in broad daylight on a calm and clear day”
Yeah, both common rats and political rats are always the last to leave a sinking ship.
Know-tah-benny: Jist so’s ye’s knows “The Wets” represents “TIG”
hackalumpoff
5 years ago
@ Tinto at 7:39 pm
“Do you have a plan, hackalumpoff?”
Yes I do, but is locked in the same safe as the date for Indyref2.
😉
Hope that code worked K1.
yesindyref2
5 years ago
@Dan
That’s an interesting article, and a new take on the situation. Can’t work the implications out straight away.
Fergus Green
5 years ago
Daisy Walker 7.59
thanks for that 🙂
yesindyref2
5 years ago
@Dan
Mmm, a very quick analysis says that it could and would affect things BEFORE March 29th as the UK Gov would cleraly be aware of it. So it could make a no-deal more likely, plus also perhaps give the UK Gov more bargaining power to get changes, even including the Backstop,
Dave McEwan Hill
5 years ago
A closer look at those defectors from the Labour Party shows that they are nearly al members of the Friends of Israel organisation. Jeremy Corbyn has been an outspoken supporter of Palestine.
Last thing Israel wants is a UK PM who supports the Palestinians. That’s why Corbyn has to be destroyed.
So callled “anti semitism” in the Labour party has probably mainly been anti Isreali Government sentiment deliberately wrongly described. The Palestinians are semitic.
Cactus
5 years ago
The more ye look at this fine Cairnstoon ’19 piece, the more it looks like “THE Labour ABSTAINER” ship has run aground! and is destined to become one of those rusting wrecks ye see dotted around the coastlines of Earth.
“S.S. IRRELEVANT” sank achwhile bach, somewhere out at sea, nearby a mystery fantasy island – they couldn’t even make it over to their Tory politicians self-formed international iceberg – there there there they now reside on their castaway adrift paradise.
Important reminder: “Rrremember Captain May (yerra womble), in the event of emergency the captain is supposed to go down with their ship… how’s that view lookin’ frae yer bridge, captain?”
Gus1940
And earlier in the day the SvF kick off was mentioned swiftly followed by ” and then its the BIG game England v Wales”. Its all about England.
When Scotland is playing against Wales Ireland Italy or France there always has to be an English commentator and a presence in the studio just to emphasise that we are in charge.
Mike Russell called Gavin Williamson the UK governments *Private Pike*
K1
5 years ago
Wonderful…Labour getting torn into by SNP’s Susan Aitken at Glasgow City Council meeting on 21st February. Share this footage as much as ye can as she tears them to pieces about their conduct over the past ten years denying women’s equal pay. And rightly demonstrates what a shower of morally bankrupt hypocritical bastards the lot of them were and are:
And if this has already been posted it is worth reposting over and over again, let there be no hiding place for Labour at every level of government in Scotland, we are yet to remove these utterly useless careerist gits from all positions of influence and power in our city’s, our local councils and our national politics.
Susan Aitken is a breath of fresh air and an articulate sight to behold, more of this please.
Ian Brotherhood
5 years ago
@Dave McEwan Hill –
Totally agree.
Rev raised an interesting one on Twitter last night, asking why a comment he made about gender-related stuff had a very high ratio of likes to RTs. It’s surely simple fear of drawing the wrath of zealots.
Same applies to the Israeli lobbies in our political system – so many folk, especially journalists, seem to be genuinely terrified of crossing them in any way. The conflation of anti-semitism with anti-zionism is tried and tested but the only reason it works is general ignorance. That’s where msm compliance is so vital.
Cactus
5 years ago
Pan the image 180 degrees to YOUR left and YOU will see, that YOU control YOUR destiny and sailing ships will pass you by: link to youtube.com
Can ye feel that overhanging UKexit feeling hanging in the air… it’s like an invisible smog, ye can see it in the affectings and effectings of the People, everyday people. link to youtube.com
It’s like, if there are Air-waves and Micro-waves, then mibbies there are “Brexit-waves” pure hingin’ and mingin’ awe aroond us in the Air.
Bill Glen
Ahm wondering who could have Done this, Because we are To Poor To Wee and To Stupid To stand oan our own 2 Feet 😀
Alexander Cummings, from Edinburgh flushing toilet.
James Young Simpson, anaesthesia
William Cullen, the refrigerator
Alan MacMasters, the toaster
Bleaching of Industrial Textiles – Charles Tennant (1768-1838)
Carbon Dioxide – Joseph Black (1728-1799)
Chloroform Pioneer – Sir James Y Simpson (1811-1870)
Coal Gas Lighting – William Murdoch (1754 – 1839)
Electromagnetic Theory of Light – James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879)
Kaleidoscope – Sir David Brewster (1781-1868)
Logarithms – John Napier (1550-1617)
“Noble Gases” (neon, krypton, xenon) – Sir William Ramsay (1852-1916)
Radar – Sir Robert Watson-Watt (1892-1973)
Scurvy Prevention – James Lind (1716-1794)
Speedo Swimwear – Alexander MacRae (circa 1890-1935)
Ultrasound in Obstetrics – Ian Donald (1910-1987)
Vacuum Flask – Sir James Dewar (1842-1923)
Waterproof Clothing – Charles Macintosh (1766-1843)
Bill Glen keeps getting banned from Facebook for posting things such as this . Please Share this Widely .
Meg merrilees
5 years ago
Doesn’t a lot of the Labour party anti-semitism stem from the hoo-ha around the International Holcaust Remembrance Alliance definition document which Corbyn did not accept in full as he wanted free speech to be able to critics Israeli actions against Palestine.
As you say, how can we have a PM who is to friendly towards the state of Israel, look how much Trump does to court their friendship, even moving his embassy to Jeruslem.
It’s like the White helmets all over again, Friends of Israel have achieved the Heiniken effect – reaching all levels of governments world wide, and parts we can’t even know about … yet.
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Listening to a Labour MP today who is proposing an amendment next week that WM accepts T may’ deal on the promise that she will then go to a second referendum and stand or fall by the result .
When asked if he actually supported T may’s deal his reply was that ‘Labour would abstain’ in the vote to allow the deal to go through.
I’m sick and fed up of Labour MP’s abstaining. They are paid to vote, not sit on their hands and their principles are so eroded that they would actually hold their noses and allow a bad deal to go through….
Time they were all replaced.
CameronB Brodie
5 years ago
galamcennalath says @ 6:37 pm
Bobp says:
“Nothing like a bit of airbrushing of history by the occupiers.”
Indeed, British historiography has served a central role in the creation and maintenance of the “One Nation” myth.
Historiography from below: how undergraduates remember
learning history at school link to lboro.ac.uk
Cactus
5 years ago
Evenin’ Meg and howde do.
“I’m sick and fed up of Labour MP’s abstaining. They are paid to vote, not sit on their hands and their principles are so eroded that they would actually hold their noses and allow a bad deal to go through….”
SO here’s another random progressive notion… if politicians are paid to vote for the People they represent… SHOULD they CHOOSE to abstain from a vote… they should incur a financial penalty… like let’s start betting at, say £500.00 per abstention?
Then have said collected abstention fines donated to worthwhile charities, that way everyone wins!
That would get them voting in no time, or would it?
Famous15
5 years ago
The odious Jo Swansong?
Lenny Hartley
5 years ago
Ronnie, does bill have an exhaustive list of Scottish inventions? Off the top of my heid
I can add the TV, the phone and the fax machine in the world of telecomms alone.
Fireproofjim
5 years ago
K1 @9.50
Who is this wonderful Susan Aitken getting tore intae the venal and idle Glasgow Labour Councillors and why have I not heard of her before.? Mind you I live in Edinburgh.
That was wonderful and she should be offered a seat in Holyrood ASAP where she will be a star.
The SNP are blessed with some powerful and confident women.
Dorothy Devine
5 years ago
Sad for Scotland but boy oh boy wee Wales – giants among rugby!
Ronnie , I have been a fan of the native americans since I was knee high to a grasshopper. Their philosophy on all things was impressive and as the man said we had much to learn from them.
CameronB Brodie
5 years ago
re. British history. ‘If you control the past and you control the future’ – Orwell.
I like that idea Cactus… we could dock their wages for each time they abstained.
It’s counter-productive – would soon cure it though.
Ian Brotherhood
5 years ago
@Fireproofjim –
Kin right.
All that wee video was lacking was a close-up of yon MacAveety’s coupon as she mercilessly fingered him!
😉
Cactus
5 years ago
Aye Meg, mibbies five hunner is not enough, £1,000 per abstention it is.
Aussi, just out of image in the background is “THE UKIPPER” vessel, coming to seek out and collect the two wet-rats swimming about out front… here it was going for an earlier re-fit: link to youtube.com
“British Isles
This is purely a geographical term”
The ordnance survey calls itself “Ordnance Survey (OS) – Britain’s [1] mapping agency”. It’s British, they would say that.
[1] which excludes Northern Ireland in terms of the political definition
P G McLaughlin
5 years ago
Is the Cnclr Graham mentioned by Susan Aitken the husband of Johan Lamont?
CameronB Brodie
5 years ago
British historiography has only recently adopted a “Four Nations” approach to it’s practice (1980s ?). Previously, British historiography bought into the “One Nation” bollocks.
I thought I read ma y moons ago a mannie fae Tain / Balintore invented the ATM? maybe it was another product?
However the pin Number is credited to James Goodfellow.
I think the list would be endless.
Thepnr
5 years ago
James Chalmers of Arbroath invented the adhesive postage stamp, however this claim is denied in some quarters.
James Chalmers was born in Arbroath in 1782 and later worked as a bookseller and printer in Dundee.
It is claimed Mr Chalmers thought of the idea of an adhesive stamp in about 1834 and passed his plans to parliament in 1839.
However, when the Penny Black was introduced in 1840 the credit went to Kidderminster man Rowland Hill.
Robert Murray, who owns a stamp shop in Edinburgh, said: “Rowland Hill wasn’t very keen on the idea of adhesive postage stamps; James Chalmers was one person who strongly put forward the idea.
“It seems Rowland Hill only wanted to take the claim for it once they had become popular with the public.
“It’s always the winners that write history. Rowland Hill, after the event, became a very admired and acknowledged person in the UK, given positions of power, including within the Post Office.
Just a few miles away in Carmyllie it is claimed that James Bowman Lindsay invented the light bulb, he was the proposer of an underwater cable across the Atlantic for telegraphs as well as composing a dictionary in 50 different languages.
Without James Clerk Maxwell there would have been no Albert Einstein.
hackalumpoff
5 years ago
@ Tackety beets
MAY 20, 2010 LONDON — John Shepherd-Barron, a Scotsman credited with inventing the automated teller machine in the 1960s, died on Saturday in Scotland. He was 84 and lived in Portmahomack, a Scottish coastal town.
History can be used as a tool for social emancipation, as well as for social domination. That’s why HMG’s accounts remain closed to Scottish inspection. We have to rely on GERS instead, an accounting system designed to rob Scotland blind (i.e. scientific racism).
Accounting, slavery and social history: The legacy of an eighteenth-century Portuguese chartered company
Abstract
Based on extensive archival research, this study documents and analyses the accounting techniques that the Companhia Geral do Grão Pará e Maranhão applied to its slave trading operations during the second half of the eighteenth century. The surviving accounting records of this Portuguese chartered company reveal – in meticulous detail – the integral role that accounting technology played in enabling the slave trade to flourish.
However, and paradoxically, while evidencing this culpability the same accounting records also document the essential humanity of the slaves and preserve details of the bleak circumstances of their existence. Slaves are typically lamented as a lost people consigned to a tragic and an eternal anonymity, but it is from accounting records that many aspects of their lives can be reconstructed. In this way, the accounting records studied are also shown to provide a latent source of social history that constitutes a profound mea culpa.
Keywords accounting history, archival research, Portugal, slavery, social history
For anybody who likes to keep up to date with what Eck us getting up to.
Chick McGregor
5 years ago
Some biggies off the top of my head.
Alexander Fleming – antibiotics
James Gregory –
The calculus (i.e. the reciprocity relationship of derivatives and integrals).
The reflecting telescope.
The diffraction grating.
The first proof of the calculus.
The first mathematical series from which the value of pi could be calculated in Europe (a much earlier and largely forgotten version had been devised in India, but was quite unknown to Europeans at the time).
The, so called, ‘Taylor’ series.
Other work on series included tests, possibly the first, for convergence and divergence.
The suggestion that the transit of Venus could be used to accurately measure the distance of the Earth to the Sun. Unfortunately, due to his untimely death and the rarity of optimal astronomical conditions this suggestion was only carried out long after he died.
Patrick Matthew – Theory of natural selection. Actually, a well established theory in Scottish academia from at least the time of Lord Monboddo (James Burnett) nearly a hundred years before Darwin came up to do his degree at Edinburgh. But it is Matthew whom Darwin was forced to acknowledge had priority in subsequent publications of Origin of Species.
John Logie Baird, the first live transmission of moving images i.e. Television.
Charles Wilson – The cloud chamber, which allowed the first tracking of radioactive particles and hence virtually started the science of particle physics.
CameronB Brodie
5 years ago
IMHO, the most significant Scottish invention is epistemology. Here’s one for Tory fanboy, David Torrance.
Significance of Epistemological Beliefs for Teaching and Learning Psychology: A Review
Abstract
Beliefs about the nature of knowledge, termed ‘epistemological beliefs’, are relevant to understanding educational strategies of both learners and teachers. Epistemological beliefs arguably have particular relevance in the discipline and profession of psychology, due to an emphasis on integration of knowledge from multiple theoretical perspectives. This article provides an overview of peer-reviewed literature in this area and suggests implications and directions for teaching and learning of psychology, with particular reference to the higher education context.
Good one K1. As you say share this link far and wide folks and repost …. repost …. repost. Let the people across the length and breadth of Scotland know what’s been going on under Labour controlled Councils for decades: Is still going on in fact as GCC and other Councils across Scotland still have cases to address. Fork out for. The hellish repercussions of their, Labours, (in) actions are not over yet and are closely linked of course to the Unions, such as Unison, in Scotland too. High time that their corrupt symbiotic relationship was exposed. Any investigative reporter out there worth their salt?
As to their conduct over the last ten years or so well it’s been MUCH, MUCH longer than that. I was involved with Equal Pay cases that were dragged through the legal system for years in the 1990’s (and of course there was cases prior to that) due to the Labour controlled Councils appealing against decisions and of course spending £millions in legal fees in the process.
In particular, and most crucially for me (and many others), from 1997 until 1999 these cases were ”stymied” when Frank McAveety was the leader of Glasgow City Council. McAveety the ”big boss” was calling the shots for ALL Councils right across Scotland when some in fact indicated that they wanted to resolve the cases. I wonder if Susan Aitken knows the ins and outs of those cases? The dirty tricks that they employed? The test cases that were bullied and subsequently lost their jobs, as ”predicted” by their QC, Ian Truscott, at the Glasgow Tribunal. Has she, Susan, and her colleagues gotten round to dredging through the decades of paperwork, that is the paperwork that hasn’t been shredded already? She more than likely does know about the cases in the 90’s, but then again maybe I should just drop her a wee line anyway. Highlight that McAveety has been hanging around Glasgow City Council like a bad smell since 1988. Thirty years of robbing the Scots blind between one thing and another.
I was once a fervent Labour supporter, Union shop steward and Convenor. I thought that the Labour Party had been set up to provide parliamentary representation for working class people, then I saw the light. Realised that I had been duped… big time. I’m now hoping that others across Scotland will see the light too before it is too late.
Is the Cnclr Graham mentioned by Susan Aitken the husband of Johan Lamont?
Yes.
sandy
5 years ago
Reference to the previous post about the Dundee Cromwellian slaughter.
On being thrown out/deselected as MP for Dundee, didn’t our greatly heralded Winston Churchill threaten to have the city returned to green fields.
And further, didn’t England’s Hitler, George 11 & his Himmler associate, Butcher Cumberland, slaughter 30,000 – 40,000 Highland Scots, men, women & children after the 1745 uprising.
What are imperialistic Englishmen/women prepared to do to satisfy their own aspirations?
Col
5 years ago
Sick of hearing from the Brits how we fought Hitler and that somehow secured our freedom. We fought England for hundreds of years and still are struggling!
Robert Louis
5 years ago
The tree of liberty at 1255am,
Totally agree. James Clerk Maxwell was the daddy of them all. It is useful to note how within the ‘uk’ his contribution has often been ignored in popular media, aside from amongst physicists. It has been good to see Prof Brian Cox (the astronomer, not the actor from Dundee) often refer to Clerk Maxwell, and totally declares his uber importance in physics and astronomy.
It is sad that so many Scots know very little about him, and refer only to Einstein instead. Einstein himself, admired Clerk Maxwell greatly. Clerk Maxwell was Scotland’s Einstein, a man wayyyy ahead of his time and contemporary peers.
Wow – Isabel Fraser swinging and not missing her boss with her questions to the fragrant Donalda
starlaw
5 years ago
Tuned to Radio Shortbread for the 8 am news. All Ive heard is a load of guff about their new Telly Shortbread program with Donalda spouting off about QT,s incidend with Orange Billy being a one of which slipped through the crack… Naw it Wisnae.
Donalda. I heard that interview as totally guarded in responses. Doesn’t sound like a person actually ‘in charge’. That’s the first mention I’ve heard of the
‘Occasional mistake’ in planted audiences’.
Donalda Mackinnon of BBC Scotland was on Radio Scotland just now (before 8.30) but I only heard the final remarks. Was she pressed on the question of bias (conscious and unconscious) and “restoring trust in the BBC”? Genuine query.
It’s all a mistake says Donalda, I hold my hands up says Donalda, It’ll all be better says Donalda, There’s no Bias says Donalda
And that would all be great if the new BBC channel hadn’t already recorded the new Scottish Question Time by using the same invited audience method including the very same Billy the Nut Job who they had on the main QT and now to top it off send out invitations to organisations like Scotland in Union to ask them to inform their members to get in touch but not ask anyone from any Pro Independence organisation to do the same, see you either ask both or none that’s how impartiality works
Aye, hold your hands up Donalda, but just in worship to your bosses in that big London who run Scotlands TV
It would be great if the new channel were to be genuine and worked for Scotland but they’ve buggered it up before it even gets underway, now they have to fix the bias (mistake) on the brand new channel before anybody sees it and the Big Question Time is does anybody care or expect anything different from the BBC anymore
Posh Jo telling the passengers of the Titanic not to get in the lifeboats because they might also hit the iceberg,so there is no point even trying to save yourself.
Let`s all sink with posh Jo.
Hamish100
5 years ago
The Tree of Liberty says:
24 February, 2019 at 12:55 am
Without James Clerk Maxwell there would have been no Albert Einstein.
Without Mr & Mrs Einstein there would have been no Albert Einstein… lol
Yeah, Ms Swinson loves telling Scots we aren’t good enough or clever enough to do anything on our own and spent an inordinate amount of money doing it, so much so she was investigated by the police for it
I was one of the recipients of up to four 4 different leaflets a day telling me how bad the SNP were, funny thing was Ms Swinson wasn’t even mentioned as the candidate till the last week of the Lib Dem campaign because there was no room on the leaflets SNP bad SNP evil Nicola Sturgeon dreadful Independence Bad, then they remembered they better have a candidate
Scotland invented the modern world, As great a contribution to the world as the Greeks
These words were spoken by Jacob Rees Mogg
So either he thinks we’ve all gone suddenly stupid, or more likely England cannae dae withoot us
geeo
5 years ago
Dr Jim@ 8.28am.
I just watched QT from Thursday, last night and it was completely biased yet again.
This time it was 2 fold
1. Chris Leslie was on, and after about 6 audience assassins getting stuck into him, Fiona Bruce turns to him and says “it looks like you are getting a really hard time tonight” (sound familiar, re: Fiona Hyslop).
She then asked for a show of hands of those who agree with The Breakaway group….3 people put their hands up.
2. Almost every single audience member who contributed was vehemently pro brexit, or “i was leave but get on with brexit”.
The BBC/wider media has denied a voice for those who voted Remain and STILL want to Remain.
Institutional right wing bias at the BBC, imagine that. !!
cearc
5 years ago
Probably the greatest Scottish ‘invention’ of all was universal, free, education which enabled all the rest.
What I’ve never understood is this constant Unionist position that Scotland *Can’t*
Imagine going through your whole life believing you’re a loser then shouting abuse at everyone else who doesn’t like being called a loser
They’re an odd bunch these Unionists
Dave McEwan Hill
5 years ago
Dr Jim at 9.08
That was exactly the same here. Only three of the 13 leaflets mentioned Alan Who? the LibDem candidate so they were not election expensible.
As the LibDem postage cost to my address – three of the leaflets were personally addressed to me or my wife at full postage cost and the others were by the Royal Mail “Door to Door” service at around 6p each – (and the leaflets will also have to have been paid for)we got about £3 plus expenditure and this happened across this vast constituency the “LibDems” must have spent over £100,000 on Argyll and Bute. As they probably couldn’t afford to buy a pair of shoes this was a completely dishonest assault on our democracy and the same happened (Lib Dem or Tory)in target seats across the country.
Fragrant Jo got the same level of expenditure in E Dumbarton with virtually the same leaflets. Much more should have been made of this – but then again at that point we were contemplating the most badly misjudged SNP campaign I had ever been involved in.
yesindyref2
5 years ago
Would the last rat in the House of Commons please turn the lights on?
Socrates MacSporran
5 years ago
Just seen, thanks to the link on the Rev’s twitter feed, Susan Aitken getting tore intae the self-servers in Glasgow Labour.
Gawn yersel’ Hen. a virtuoso performance.
Sadly, it will make no difference, the likes of McAveety and Mrs Johan Lamont are beyone help. Not even a sherriking like that will bring a wee reddy, far less a big reddy, to their fat faces.
Somebody made the mistake of treating it as a normal GE and didn’t notice everybody else wasn’t doing that but by then they had no plan B to switch to and stuck with the wrong plan
We hope and expect nothing like that happens again
Breeks
5 years ago
4 cartoons left until Brexit. Nice to have something to look forward to.
Grouse Beater
5 years ago
Hi Chris – I’ve taken a leaf out of your book and decided on a long weekend out of the office … in Dublin. Like this week’s cartoon, I abstain from commitment to anything.
So, instead of a political essay,to save folk the pain of watching the accident prone ceremony, here’s the winner of tonight’s all-categories Oscars:
Thanks guys for that rare piece of analysis. Losers are we?
Unionists get hysrerical at how shite Scotland is.I would go as far as to say they get an orgasm when they discover a slight ”shortcoming”.
I used to wonder why this attack on their own self esteem was not harmful only to disciver that it corrodes their whole being. Unionists are losers and enjoy self harming. More to be pitied than laughed at? No! A sickly snake is still deadly.
Alastair
5 years ago
Every time I hear this song it is an anthem for our independence.
Listen to the words carefully and enjoy.
I know others have commented on it, but Susan Aitken really let rip on Labour at GCC. Well done Susan.
One of the useless Labour councillors that she mentions, had Jacobite swords removed from an art gallery,in Scotland because inscribed on them were words pertaining to Scottish independence.
Keith Brown: Scottish independence offers opposite of Brexit chaos link to archive.is
Britain in the Crazed Brexit Vortex
The land of milk and honey promised by the Vote Leave campaign in 2016 has turned into a nightmare. link to archive.is
Joanna cherry was tweeting about this presentation yesterday, I thought some of you might find it interesting
Livestream Remaking the UK constitution
Link to livestream here link to twitter.com
Here is one of my favourite snippets from American history (note it is not made up but from the Smithsonian collection) that everyone in Scotland should read: link to twitter.com
Dr Jim says:
24 February, 2019 at 10:30 am
@Dave McEwan Hill 10:09am
“”Somebody made the mistake of treating it as a normal GE and didn’t notice everybody else wasn’t doing that but by then they had no plan B to switch to and stuck with the wrong plan
We hope and expect nothing like that happens again””
….
You seem to have forgotten that the campaign was twice interrupted by major terrorist incidents both of which impacted adversely on the SNP’s campaign. The first incident, the Manchester bombing, delayed the launch of the SNP’s manifesto and took a week out of the campaign. The second, the London incident, overshadowed the actual launch of the manifesto and pushed that into the footnote section of election reports.
In the 2017 campaign, unlike the 2015 GE, the media reverted to its default position of writing the SNP out of the proceedings. The coverage the SNP received in 2015 was unprecedented and may have made a considerable contribution to the SNP’s showing in that GE. The media did not make that mistake again. In fact the whole thrust of their approach and that of the Unionist parties seemed to be a rerun of the Holyrood election of 2016. They concentrated on devolved issues especially if any member of the SNP was in front of a camera.
Then there is the oft repeated ‘they did not speak about Independence’ given as an excuse by many for not turning out to vote. Given what I have said in the previous paragraphs how much opportunity were they given to do so? Furthermore did they need to labour the issue of independence?
They have espoused the cause of independence for 80 years so they hardly needed to labour the point. Ms Sturgeon had stood up just weeks before and announced a timetable for indyref2 and the Scottish Parliament had endorsed it. The Unionist paries’ campaign was simply ‘No to a second indyref’. That being the case and with the initial steps towards indyref2 taken then that is the time to step up and say YES to a second indyref by voting for the party that will deliver it
Even the CH4 news reporter, who came up to Scotland at the start of the GE, grasped immediately that the GE was in large part about independence. Something that seems to have gone over the heads of a lot of people who were no shows in the polling booths.
Thus the GE gave ‘we, the people’ the opportunity to show they fully supported that call for a second indyref and give the lie to the Unionist claim that there was no appetite for a second indyref.
So what did people do? Stayed at home in the huff because there was no mention of independence every 5 minutes. And as a result handed a ‘victory’ and bragging rights to the Unionist parties. It took a year and the high turnout of the Glasgow March in 2018 to overcome that setback handed to the party by their own supporters.
Between 2015 to 2017 the SNP fought 2 GE, 1 Holyrood election, one EU referendum and local elections. That is a lot for any party even one with a large membership. It is all the harder when that membership splits its vote or stays at home because things have not been run the way they want then try to rewrite the story to cover their own shortcomings.
Sarah
5 years ago
@Nana – many thanks for these great links. It all helps. It was good to see that someone is challenging Boris Johnson and his EU lies in a law court – fingers crossed the court agrees there is a case to answer.
Nana
5 years ago
A bit late this morning Sarah, but better late than never.
Capella
5 years ago
Ah – the morning links are here.
But to add to the list of the world’s cleverest men, John Napier, inventor of logarithms and the decimal point.
Dr Jim @9.40
The words were actually “among the small nations of the world only perhaps the Ancient Greeks surpass the Scots in their contribution to mankind.” and it was Winston Churchill, Not Rees-Mogg, who would never have such a generous thought about Scotland.
Jack Murphy
5 years ago
Republicofscotland ended his/her Post at 11:19am today re
Councillor Susan Aitken really letting rip on Labour at Glasgow City Council.
Five ***** for Speech of the Week. Well done and well said.
Particularly liked The Costs of Revolution from the Smithsonian, Nana. The same old tired arguments being deployed today, e.g. “Where will the money come from for an oil fund?”
Dan
5 years ago
Modern Scottish inventions include the deep-fried mars bar which may not be something to be so proud of!
Seem to recall there were some innovative studies being carried out at Glasgow University recently on the reversal of type 2 diabetes.
So overall, maybe the latter cancels out the effects of the former.
defo
5 years ago
Great Scot’s.
A couple of Jimmys.
Polymath James Hutton, pioneer in geology.
James Watt. The clues in the name! Devised a far more efficient steam engine.
Nana
5 years ago
@Tinto
The same argument has been trotted out to every country who ever wanted independence.
Regarding the blatant liars at the BBC in Scotland.
Too many times, we have heard the excuse from the BBC in Scotland, that bias against Scotland, the SNP and the notion of Scotland running its own affairs like any NORMAL country, is just an ‘accident’.
The notion that the likes of ‘Orange billy’ are just accidents, would be believable, if sometimes it happened the other way around. But no, the BBC in Scotland so-called ‘accidents’ are always directed against Scottish independence and the notion of Scotland feeling good about itself.
So, Donalda and all the paid lying propagandists at Pacific Quay can GTF, with their nonsense excuses for their overt continual and blatant anti Scotland bias.
Scotland needs it’s own TV stations, both commercial and state funded, owned, run and accountable in Scotland, NOT England, just like any other country. A good example is Ireland.
The BBC, the whole damn lot of them, should be run out of the country. They are nothing more than London’s lying stooges. And they can take their new ‘scottishy’ propaganda channel with them too. BBC in Scotland is a REAL parcel of rogues in a nation.
Scotland needs new TV channels, but NOT from the BBC liars at pacific quay.
Nana
5 years ago
@Tinto
The same old story, Malta is also mentioned in this article as is Norway & Slovakia
BREAKING Brexit: Theresa May confirms MPs’ vote is DELAYED until as late as March 12 link to archive.is
Thepnr
5 years ago
@Nana
Better get myself down the shops quick then while there’s still food on the shelves LOL.
Breeks
5 years ago
Nana says:
24 February, 2019 at 11:20 am
What measures are #EuropeanUnion countries like #France taking ahead of a possible no-deal
video link to twitter.com
Thanks Nana. Even those dumb enough to believe that Brexit will be fine can surely understand the damage which one country does to 27 has a reciprocal where the damage to trade with 27 countries is focussed into one.
It is vital for Scotland that we break out of this Union and stay in Europe.
Dave McEwan Hill
5 years ago
Very excellent Sunday National again today. Best Scottish Sunday newspaper by a mile. Lots of good reading over a range of subjects particularly Brendan O’Hara’s informed opinion of the new BBC Scotland programme.
Legerwood at 11.30
Wont be responding at any length but I will repeat I have never seen a less well judged SNP campaign in my nearly sixty years in the party. Would you like to see the collection of SNP leaflets produced for distribution which at no point mentioned independence and which we couldn’t get our members to distribute – while all our opponents attacked independence continuously.
If our strategists don’t understand what motivates our membership we have a problem. There were lots of other issues of course but our members joined to campaign for independence and if you don’t give them an opportunity to do that they won’t be available for the other issues either.
Let me put it simply.The question is not “who’ll lift the bins?” but “will you vote for an an independent Scotland in which our government in control of our finances will be better able to provide the funds for our services/”
@theresa_may has just confirmed in briefing on her plane to journalists that “meaningful” vote on her reworked Brexit deal will happen by 12 March and not this week. Here’s why she thinks that date will force ERG Brexiters to support deal they hate
The BBC is afflicted by institutional racism. It is built into their DNA through their Royal charter. The BBC is not an organisation that supports democracy, it does the very opposite, in fact.
admiral
5 years ago
Peston says
@theresa_may has just confirmed in briefing on her plane to journalists that “meaningful” vote on her reworked Brexit deal will happen by 12 March and not this week. Here’s why she thinks that date will force ERG Brexiters to support deal they hate
see here link to facebook.com
The woman is a total disgrace. She is in gross contempt of parliament (and a Westminster parliament is contemptible to start with) and acting like a mad dictator. Time for Parliament to take back control and withdraw A50.
Nana
5 years ago
If Theresa May breaks her promise and refuses to allow our elected Parliament to vote on her deal, and alternatives, it will be a moment of crisis for the UK and our democracy.
@GoodLawProject has commissioned legal advice on a General Strike which we will publish on Wednesday. link to twitter.com
geeo
5 years ago
Treeza May is a stunning hypocrite.
In one breath we get this: “No meaningful vote until 12 March”.
In the next we get this: “Now, often people talk about the extension of Article 50 as if that will actually solve the issue. Of course it won’t. It defers the point of decision.
There comes a point where we need to make that decision”.
……
Breathtaking Hypocrite indeed.
starlaw
5 years ago
BBC does not support Democracy its full support and loyalty belongs to the Monarchy, which in turn is usurped by Parliament and given over to the Prime Minister.
Is’nt it nice to live in a free Democratic Monarchy such as only we have. North Korea comes close but still years behind.
Legerwood
5 years ago
Breaking news
May is going to delay the meaningful vote until March 12th!!!! It was supposed to be this coming week. Story in Guardian on-line
Legerwood
5 years ago
Dave McEwan Hill @ 1.38 PM
“”…while all our opponents attacked independence continuously.””
….
If your opponents are attacking something continuously, which they were, is that not the time for the people to step to the plate and show their believe in independence and the way to do it is to vote for the one party that believes in it, promotes it and is in a position to deliver it?
Do people actually have to be told continuously that that is the case? So the leaflets did not mention independence, so what? Do people really need to be told that, really?
That is pretty pathetic reasoning.
Breeks
5 years ago
With regards Scottish inventions, I would simply refer people to the Scottish Enlightenment. Another wee component of Scottish History conspicuously absent from my schooling.
People were talking back in 2014 about Independence bringing forth a Second Scottish Enlightenment, which for me meant aspiring to be a bold and progressive Nation which was “enlightened” in the way it reconciled is economic and manufacturing prowess with inspired environmental sustainability and reinstating Scotland’s globally unique ecosystem. Our great forests would proliferate again, but in harmony with us. We’d augment our Mountain Rescue with Forest Find-you.
We would invest in our people, and pioneer new and innovative ways to give our people stimulus to work together, live fulfilled lives, and help each other, and find ways of doing the right things without shackling inspired invention and innovation with NeoLiberal greed and cynicism. We would advance as a people together, not just the rich skimming off the best for themselves.
I know it’s just my own petty delusion, but I kind of like the idea that being Scottish doesn’t just stop at our people, but grants Scottish citizenship to every fox, badger, salmon, eagle, and I hope someday wolf, bear, bison, boar, a level of protection. Aye, that Forest Find-you service might need to be quick response… Maybe Citizenship isn’t the right word, but they have rights and a say in every development which might impact on their environment. They’ve the same right to be here as we do.
Zero emission transport and energy is never going to be anything less than a huge project which is never going to leave humanity. We have a window of opportunity to thrive on the new frontiers that lie just ahead of us. We invest. We learn. We innovate. We improve. We coordinate.
I would love Scotland to develop new infrastructure for data and information which becomes the envy of the world, and as free and valuable to us as our notion of free education and healthcare for all. Scotland should have the best communications it is possible to have, not just the Big Brother Viewscreens with end to end indoctrination and propaganda, and the two minute hate for foreigners.
I want a Second Scottish Enlightenment that blossoms into a genie that refuses to go back into the bottle.
I want to build bridges with Ireland, Europe and Scandinavia. I want Scots kids speaking French, German, Italian, Portuguese, Chinese, Russian, not because its a chore, but because there is every prospect of speaking to people in their own tongue. Aye.. why not Gaelic too?
And commerce? I’ve said it before too. Scotland wouldn’t just be a hub at the centre of nations, but a hub at the centre of Continents. Istanbul once thrived as where Europe met Africa, the Middle East and Asia… Well Scotland is uniquely placed to be the hub where Europe meets Scandinavia, the vestiges of UK Commonwealth Nations, and transatlantic Americas. We might just be a wee country, but we’ve got location, location, location to die for… Oh aye, and it seems they’re even serious about a spaceport!
If it was down to me, I’d grant everybody in Scotland a new state of the art TV, just to let them see what a wonderful country they’re living in, on a medium unsullied or corrupted by the damned BBC.
But, a thousand buts, we are still chained at the ankle to these ignorant, narrow minded Brexit cretins who want to turn the clock back to the 19th Century, and raise their kids with hearts full of hatred and deluded exceptionalism. I truly fear for them, but more than that, I want no part of it. It is madness.
I’m not old, but I’m not young either. I don’t expect I’ll see any of these things, but my spirit soars when I imagine some wee Scots laddie or lassie revelling in the challenges of a better world, which has learned to make inspired progress without destroying itself. I want them to be wishing they were here, now, right here with us, and sharing our responsibility and privilege, as the midwives of the Second Scottish Enlightenment.
Brexit? It’s a common assault on all of us. It’s the victory of ignorance and the BBC.
Macart
5 years ago
@Nana
Mr Maugham isn’t wrong.
On the sitch though? Yet another postponement. Right now what folks are staring at is a house that’s being asked (forced) to make a decision on a choice that’s not a choice and on a vote that’s been constantly deferred when it need never have been deferred.
If that’s not politics in meltdown, then it’s doing a damn fine impersonation of it. As if folk can’t see right through such a nonsense.
False choices on false votes. It’s the theatre of blame and they’re setting up the usual suspects to take the fall in order to preserve their hoose and their monopoly as best possible. The more astut among them are well aware they screwed up big time and went waaaaay too far.
It’s effectively the same power and greed struggle its always been and their using the polarisation of public opinion, (a polarisation they created), to undersign the cheque/fallout.
They are a shameless shower of (fill in as appropriate).
galamcennalath
5 years ago
Nana says:
@GoodLawProject has commissioned legal advice on a General Strike
Wow, that would get their attention.
Problem is, which side/faction would call a General Strike and to send what message?
I assume the GLP are thinking in terms of the failure of parliamentary democracy at this critical moment. In the same way few agree with May’s ‘deal’ for all sorts of reasons, different groups could feel they have grievance to call a strike!
In a Scottish context, it all seems irrelevant because why would we want to harm the Scottish economy when it’s clear what Scotland wants – no Brexit and an IndyRef2 to decide our future! A strike wouldn’t further that.
Tinto Chiel
5 years ago
Well said, Breeks @ 2.33.
Of course, we’re not even allowed credit for our first enlightenment: that was all supposedly down to the effects of the Union, if you believe Britnat historians.
What a toxic, twisted and malign institution that has been for our country.
Launch the Scottish Lifeboat.
Drookit more like 🙂
Well done Chris =) That’ll bruise a few egos.
And the Good Ship Independence sails homeward 🙂
Come March 29th, they will all be doing it. “it wasn’t me”, “I wasn’t there”, “I resigned from cabinet twenty minutes before 11pm”, “I disagreed throughout, whilst in cabinet”, and so on.
With every passing day, the absurd excuses from folk trying to make it look like ‘it wisnae us’, grows longer and longer. They should indeed call themselves ‘the wets’.
Fergus Green at 0715am,
Aye, launch the Scottish lifeboat…and SOON.
Absolute cracker Chris. Deserves a Billboard.
Fergus Green says:
23 February, 2019 at 7:15 am
Launch the Scottish Lifeboat.
Aye, but there will still be a fair few that refuse to board.
So sad. 🙁
Starlaw at 0735am,
I’ve always thought that an indyref could be won easily, with enough of Chris Cairns cartoons on billboards. A picture paints a thousand words and all that…
[…] Wings Over Scotland Every rat for themselves Read the full article:: Wings Over Scotland Every […]
Many, including myself, have no time for the lying propagandist BBC in Scotland. Luckily we now have a national newspaper fighting our corner. They are and have been tackling the BBC liars hard, almost all this week. If you don’t currently buy ‘The National, or want to give it a go, can I urge people to buy a copy.
At last we have a major media source tackling the liars at Pacific Quay, so we should buy the National if possible.
link to twitter.com
Labour and Tories glad to have avoided the SNP civil war ?
Classic cartoon.
Fergus Green – great – launch it when its ready. SNP civil war off the front pages in favour of the real war which will soon be in full swing with labours abstaining coming back to haunt them and the tories rich tax wars tripping them up. If labour thinks anti-antisemitism is a problem wait till momentum mps take over, it will be Armageddon for labour.
But worry not the Scottish lifeboat is coming along nicely.
@Winifred McCartney
It isn’t though, is it? the captain is feart and keeps telling us she will tell us when she will launch it ‘in weeks’. She started saying that back in October, at least.
If Article 50 gets extended we could be in this limbo in the summer.
Think that’s Brexit covered…
Do Chris’s satirical cartoons appear anywhere but here? Are they in The National?
Too good to be hidden away on an obscure (!) website.
The Libdems may be irrelevant but they are not harmless.
The “fragrant” Jo Swinson had a problem with John Nicholson because he is a genuinely nice guy so the Libdems made up this distorted “odious” description of him and spewed it out on every door step. They now believe their own lies.
The Libdems are masters at this propaganda and those of us in Edinburgh West are only too aware of their deceit .Where do they get their money? More leaflats than other parties combined!
Please just get us out of this stinking racist shitehole.
‘Rapefugees Not Welcome’
Ideological Articulations of Media Discourses on Migrants and
Refugees in Europe: New Racism and Othering – A Critical
Discourse Analysis
link to lse.ac.uk
Great toon as usual, Chris.
I too wish a few choice ones could be on billboards, I’d happily chip in.
The billboards by Led by Donkeys, are doing well down south, the most recent one was huge, awaiting May for her arrival in Brussels.
“I thought Fluffy was coming” LOL PMSL. Brilliant Chris.
Meanwhile:
The United Kingdom will deploy its new aircraft carrier, loaded with two squadrons of F-35 aircraft into the politically-fraught South China Sea.
British Defense Minister Gavin Williamson confirmed in a speech Monday morning that the Royal Navy’s HMS Queen Elizabeth will sail into waters that are the subject of dispute between China and other nations.
At an address given to the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) in London, Williamson said Britain was the second largest investor in the region and it must display “hard power” and “lethality” to help protect interests.
That’s that sorted.
Another great cartoon.
Out of picture is the EU which will continue to strengthen as the wrecks of brexit sink without trace.
Sad to hear Gordon Dewer and Isabel Fraser on bbc scotchland talk about the reintroduction to “this country” of the 14th Century Treason Act.
Yes we all know it applied solely to England and Wales and not to Scotland. Why? Well simple we were a separate Nation.
Independent of England due to tens of thousands of our people sacrificing their lives over many years by fighting against the invader from the south.
You would think the bbc presenters would know that the so called Treason Act under English Law did not apply under Scots Law.
Doesn’t bode well for the new BBC patronising channel starting on Sunday.
Famous15 at 9.04
The Libdems are no more than tools for the UK establishment and are herded in and out of the tool box as required.
Because of that useful connection we got 13 LibDem leaflets posted to our address during the 2017 election though they apparently have no funds and no identified membership or organisation in the A&B constituency.
Whenever the electorate get fed up with the major unionist parties the gullible can be safely herded into the fake LibDem corral until things get back to normal.
How would the government of Israel react to a UK PM who supported the Palestinians? Corbyn has to be destroyed.A majority of those “rebel” MPs belong to the Friends of Israel organisation.
The National is doing a fabulous job on the BBC.
Jo Swinson should be routinely described as “the odious Jo Swinson” if that’s the game they want to play.
She is presently enjoying the promotion that was routinely afforded previously to Ruth Davidson. QT. Next HIGNFY?
Muscleguy @ 8.44 am
Did you never watch Braveheart – that bit where Wallace has to continually urge the Scottish ranks to: “Hold, hold, hold”?
Had the Tories not absolutely fucked-up Brexit, a deal would have been concluded by September, or October last year. At that point, knowing what the leaving terms were, the deal should have gone to be ratified by the 27 other nations and the HoC.
The minute that deal was through the HoC, Nicola would have said: “This deal is mince, it harms Scotland, we are going for Independence,” and, whether Westminster liked it or not, the Indyref 2 campaign would have been under way. In fact, we might well have already voted and known the outcome.
But, the Maybot, unable to get her own side to back her, has simply kicked the can down the road, and is now, rapidly, running out of road.
Nicola cannot fire the starting pistol on Indyref2 until she knows what the deal or no deal for leaving is. Supposed she had already done so, and, on realising the reality of losing all that Scottish wealth, the Tories had changed their mind, cancelled Brexit, or given the minimum Nicola wants – a Customs Union and free movement. Well Indyref2 was a lost cause.
Nicola CANNOT act until she knows what we in the Independence movement will be taking-on. And that will be a last-minute call.
She may only have a matter of days, perhaps even hours, to fire the starting pistol, before the dirty tricks begin, up to and including proroguing Holyrood.
The Tories will stop at nothing to keep us as their last colony. This fight will be dirty, but, it is one we have to win.
I am as exasperate at anyone as to how things have turned out, but, we have to Keep the Faith.
Jo Swinson is a very unpleasant person.
A careerist.
The good people of her constituency who voted for her have been conned.
Jo is a careerist and her party are a charade who exist to enable BritNat rule in Scotland.
The best thing about Chris’s cartoons is that, in the middle of this black chaos, they make me laugh. I love this one.
The 1708 treason act harmonised( foisted on) the treason laws between Scotland and England. In essence England’s treason laws of 1351 became force in Scotland because of the 1708 Act by the UK Parliament. Parts of that act are still in force in Scotland.
Personally I think these discussions are taking place because of the Withdrawal Bill and its implications regarding the Treaty of Union and Scots Constitutional law when its enforced on March 29. These changes will be about protecting the establishment, albeit in the small print.
Strength to strength CC.
Considering a cruise for the next holiday by any chance ?
Fluffy ting vv funny.
@ Socrates
Well said. That’s my view of the situation too. Also, there is a distinct danger if Nicola calls it too early, May circumvents by pulling the rug, and announcing going for a PV, extension etc.
We actually will probably have to wait right up to 29 March, because May wants to keep everyone guessing, and the hard Right will do everything to ensure obfuscation etc., to drag Brexit over that March date.
Labour as we know are a mess, depite great hooha about Coopers amendment next week which prevents No Deal. If anyone in Labour were serious they would be going for Revocation of A50.
I wonder if the copywriters who “created” the SNP civil war could have foretold that the very party they were trying to bolster in Scottish Labour, would soon have their very own realdivisions so publicly aired.
If any Labour members need ammunition for the struggle, I have a jar of Marmite and some Italian breadsticks going cheap. Lethal.
@Socrates MacSporran at 9.37am
Well spoken and fully agree with your post there.
There is still too much uncertainty on Brexit and this is very much due to the threat to the U.K. of an Indyref and the potential Independence Yes vote succeeding by Scotland to leave the U.K.
The big flea in the ointment to this Brexit was the overwhelming vote by Scots to remain in the EU. This has undoubtably increased the Yes vote in Scotland as we well know. But in order to secure a Yes vote in Indy2 we need to have full clarity on Brexit and what that is going to entail.
The U.K. cannot afford to lose the revenue generated by Scotland from its many resources and the massive contribution it makes to the U.K. treasury.
As you correctly state jumping the gun before a final Brexit deal is known would be entirely foolhardy and could result in the U.K. renegading on Brexit in order not to lose its great cash cow of Scotland.
Brilliant
However if that cartoon was stuck on a billboard what percentage of the population would get it? Depressingly with the current media it might be a low number. March 29th and the few weeks after are going to be a real surprise to too many people.
Great cartoon captures the mood perfectly.
For those of you interested in Global issues that directly impact indy see my post on previous “Counting with James Kelly MSP” thread @ 23 Feb 10:23am
I didn’t want to post it here as people get annoyed by OT posts this early in a thread.
I think the First Minister has been vindicated by being “ca canny”.
Those WoS bloggers encouraged by the tory /labour news media to have a reverenda, now, now , now have been proven wrong.
Labour is self harming daily, the tories are in open war. Lib dems and the independents support Westminster politics including the unelected House of Lords.
The Scottish Public watch on aghast as we are told to shut up an accept Brexit.
Mundel is going to resign for the 10th? time – with even the BBC TV ignoring him when the “Independents” moved from the tory benches.
Yip the First Minister has got it right. We just have to be ready to move fast and hard.
Absolutely Hamish
We have indeed be ready to mobilise and move “hard and fast”.
The BBC/STV and the rag paper hacks in Scotland are finding it harder and harder to polish the Lab/Tory unionist turd,
so they are attempting to polish up posh Jo with a bit of publicity brasso to see if they can get her to shine for the unionist cause,
her every cough,belch and noxious fart will be promoted as politically profound judgements.
@Muscleguy
I personally think postings like yours (which I see elsewhere too) are not only necceessary, but perhaps welcomed by Sturgeon as it shows pressure from the people – something she talked about before.
The problem is of course as you say:
“If Article 50 gets extended we could be in this limbo in the summer.”
but even more that there’s still a chance Brexit could be cancelled completely. Sturgeon did say, however, that even if Brexit is delayed Indy Ref 2 could still be called. We’ll just have to wait and see!
Why do we need another referendum? Scotland has already voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU. The government needs to follow the vote of the sovereign people of Scotland.
To those who say we didn’t vote for independence by voting remain, well all votes have consequences. In 2014 nobody voted to have our MP’s made second class at WM, have our devolved powers repatriated to WM, or even have a EU vote in the first place (only one MP from Scotland voted for it).
On another subject, I see Steve Clarke fears sectarianism will never be eradicated from Scottish football. Of course it won’t it is the equivalent of the newspapers click-bait. When the fair being served up is so sparse in quality you need to some insentive to attract the punter.
Nice one, Chris.
I wish I’d got up earlier.
fngw says:
23 February, 2019 at 10:28 am
Why do we need another referendum? Scotland has already voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU. The government needs to follow the vote of the sovereign people of Scotland………….
I understand you comment – to a point. We can’t ask for a 2nd vote brexit style and not for Scottish Independence. In my day (ancient) a Majority of snp MP’s would have been enough.
A Scottish Independence vote is necessary. We just have to win. Conditions are better now than in 2014.
That is a very good cartoon, Chris. Rather deep and actually speaks on so many levels of the various Unionist parties.
While Vince Cable (and wee Willie Rennie who has decided to pinch Cable’s idea) offer dissenting MP’s a place in the Lib-Dems, it’s a dangerous move that Vince (and wee Willie) need to be really wary off. It’s basically letting a batch of cuckoo’s come and participate in one’s nest.
The Lib-Dems aren’t exactly a party with a lot of MP’s – inviting just as many dissenting MP’s to become members of your party …could end up wrecking or changing the ideology of your party. What’s to stop the dissenting MP’s if they continue to join the Lib-Dems in ‘large numbers’ from suddenly demanding a change to the leadership and the positions of its current members. The Lib-Dems, while laughing at the moment, could in time become the third party to face internal divisions. As the old saying goes …be careful for what you wish for…
Nice one Chris.
Meanwhile the Queen, and the Estated gentry in Scotland are up in arms over paying their fair share in taxes in Scotland.
link to thenational.scot
Lots of talk on this thread about Nicola having to wait util the last minute and then strike quickly, even on 29 March, if the UK Government position finally becomes clear.
However, and please correct me if I am wrong readers, but is it not the case that the EU anti tax avoidance regulations kick in on 1 April?
If so, and the UK has not exited the EU by then, does that mean that people like Philip May, Rees Mogg and the owners of the UK MSM titles will have to explain their income tax manoeuvres? Just imagine the backlash in the press if Article 50 is extended and the Europeans get the fine tooth comb out.
Either way, they are playing into our hands and Nicola is well capable of holding her nerve until the optimal moment.
Strike quickly for me can be this year. Dont want folk to just passively accept a brexit decision. At the moment we have brexit or brexit. The media are trying to imply May’s brexit is somehow “ok”. It aint.
Re Rennie’s invitation to the other Tories to join his Tory party (you couldn’t make this up); I can see this all being wrapped up as “movement of national inity” with a convenient enemy in the SNP being identified for channeling of BritNat anger.
The BBC’s propaganda show Debate Night in Scotland first line up. No Billy Mitchell yet.
John Swinney SNP.
Monica Lennon Labour.
Though unlikely If we ended up in the position of remaining in cu and sm which was and I presume still is Nicola’s ‘red line’. We will still clamour for indy2 vote as the Scottish electorate must have final say in that scenario. Under ‘all’ circumstances…we have a mandate.
Apologies for thecabove missing names, here they are.
Murdo Fraser Conservative.
Poet Jenny Lindsay.
Entrepreneur Sir Tom Hunter
Giving Goose
I can also see an “integrity” party forming and democracy being suspended for the duration. It’s happened before.
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Sorry for the early OT Rev., though it isn’t really OT.
Had the misfortune to listen to a bunch of English folk on the radio this morning laugh and joke that Scottish people are ugly and the like. Will be putting a complaint into ofcom and never listening again to absolute radio
Jo Swinson had that funny fake posh accent before she ever moved to England to live,I’ve got a neice and her family living in England for years they don’t have funny fake posh accents, I lived in Spain for 12 years I never ended up talking like speedy Gonzales and I actually speak Spanish, well that’s Mexico but Y’know
Superb cartoon, again.
Republicofscotland says:
Any political debate or paper review etc should have a 50% pro Indy panel and audiience to reflect the reality of Scotland. Going ahead with representation less that half is blatant bias and propaganda.
That line up contains two BritNats and one Indy politician. Two of each would have been a better start. As for the others, Hunter has been very critical of an IndyRef2. Jenny Lindsay, I don’t know.
So that seems BritNat majority either 3:2 at best, possibly 4:1 on the only game in town, the constitutional crisis.
Apologies for O/T
Re the nationality argy bargy in the previous post – see here:
link to ordnancesurvey.co.uk
Note especially the 3rd last paragraph:
“British Isles
This is purely a geographical term – it refers to the islands of Great Britain and Ireland – including the Republic of Ireland – and the 5000 or so smaller islands scattered around our coasts. Remember this only refers to geography, not nationality, and while the Republic of Ireland is part of the British Isles, its people are not British – a very important distinction”
This might also be of interest:
link to en.wikipedia.org
Brilliant cartoon as usual Chris
‘Don’t! I can’t laugh and swim at the same time’. Lol
Very interesting talk last night in Arbroath by Pete Wishart, entitled ‘we need to talk about Westminster’. Lots of background info on the shenanigans down there. He also talked about exciting stuff happening very very soon, though obviously couldn’t, be specific, but we left feeling more cheerful and optimistic. Hold the line, folks.
QT with the BBC
Organised on the same basis as everything else that’s British
90% English & 10% Scottish representation with a British official in charge
What’s everybody complaining about, that’s the way things are done fairly in Britain, you can’t treat Scotland differently can you, I mean Scotland’s not separate or anything you had a vote and you voted to be a territory of the Great Kingdom of Eng Brit eh UK there got it in the end
Fegus Green theEU anti tax avoidence laws came into force on Jan 1Sth 2019 a cording to Daisy and other posters on this forum, if they were deferred ro new tax year it would be April 6th that they would be effective.
They are going to form a new ship at some point..
Love that cartoon Chris!
Had the misfortune to catch Willie Rennie – seems that the ‘Scottish’ Liberals only want to talk about the SNP and how BAD it is and not about what the Liberal Party is going to do or ,indeed what it stands for – if anything other than not paying their bills to the Police or getting away with little scrutiny on their election funds or lying with the protection of being an MP.
Or selling out Scotland to its neighbour and ‘shouting shut up and eat your cereal Happy to see Scotland flushed down the plughole by the bullying , incompetent ,utterly stupid Westminster Government.
Once upon a Joe Grimond the Liberals were a party with gravitas and integrity. Now……
Had a laugh watching the lib dem conference and wullie rennie on the bbc.
Everytime time Swinson’s name is mentioned bbc cut immediately to a close up of her.
The tories version of Davidson. Tories in sheeps clothing.
Obvious that the media is building up Jo Swinson as an understudy for (t)Ruthless should the political scene move away from Tory ‘popularity’.
Also she has been tipped to be the next Lib-Dem leader possibly after Vince Cable.I see the Lib-Dems are now trying to amalgamate with the rebel TIG and are prepared to even consider uniting with Tories to gain power.
Have to laugh as I remember about a year ago having a conversation with my cousin – a staunch lib-den councillor. We were musing on how things might develop over the next few months. She stunned me by suggesting that it would be ok so long as the SNP didn’t do a deal with the Tories….. I gave her a withering stare and said that hell would freeze over before that happened and now look where we are!!!!!
Funny how you can go off people.
I wonder what Charles Kennedy would make of it all!
Neatly done Chris. 🙂
Just seen this on twatter.
link to twitter.com
Raises a simple question based on a simple an empirically provable fact. Mind you, just the premise of the pamphlet alone is good for a few laughs.
‘The SNP is using Brexit to break up the UK’.
I mean FFS! Seriously? Whatever folk may think of the SNP, they didn’t instigate this epic shit show. They didn’t endanger international treaties, peace accords or devolution settlements. Westminster government did ALL of that. Westminster government is also currently threatening to rewrite the constitutional settlement on these islands. The SNP didn’t do that either.
According to SiU, independence isn’t the answer. I tend to disagree with that statement, but then I would.
How and ever, back to that very, very, simple question. Why should we, or the electorate in general, trust a word SiU has to say?
The UK we’re looking at today bears absolutely zero resemblance to the UK going forward folks were promised in the run up to the 2014 vote. And I do mean ZERO.
Either:-
a. HMG and the Better Together campaign were less than capable of delivering on their vision and completely unaware of their lack of ability (being nice)
OR
b. They were being….(struggling here)… less than honest with Scotland’s population.
An explanation for folks would be good.
In their own time then. We’re waiting.
Socrates MacSporan @ 9.37 am
Extremely well said =)
Patience. Keep the heid. Hold.
There’s a new radio series starting tomorrow on BBC R4 at 1.30 looking at the British Isles and the first programme is considering the differences/history etc between England and Scotland.
I can’t remember the exact words but the final sentence of the Trailer refers to …’ this place which is nothing like England’. How’s that for bias! A balanced trailer would say something like ‘these two worlds so clearly different’ or ‘these separate cultures’ NOT…. ‘…this place which is nothing like England..’
Typical London centric BBC propaganda. Sadly won’t be able to hear it as I shall be out and about and don’t have access to I-player.
Haven’t noticed this link from yesterday posted yet.
“No-deal sets the stage for Britain’s biggest negotiations”
(It wouldn’t archive in Wayback Machine so resorted to save link with archive.is, this means it does lose some features like the embedded vid)
link to archive.is
BBC – “ The leader of the Scottish Liberal Democrats has urged disillusioned Conservative and Labour politicians to “come and talk to me”.
They couldn’t get a word in for his gibberish excitement!
Meg merrilees
I’m not sure if it’s propaganda or simply a blinding example of English cultural chauvinism. Don’t you know London is the center of the universe? I think it’s more the latter than the former, though I suppose overbearing cultural chauvinism could be considered a form of social conditioning.
** SMALL SHED FOR SALE **
CONTACT: W. Rennie. –
No longer required due to lack of credibility & policys.
Guaranteed conference size (libdem-ukip-Dup)only.
Price : “following libdem standards – will want lots £££ for next to nought.
Just found this from three days ago.
Edinburgh Conservative Councillor is going to Vote Yes to Scottish Independence.
Thanks to Progress Scotland on Facebook and Cllr. Ashley Graczek.
Short Facebook video:.
Hope the link works OK. [smile]
link to tinyurl.com
Congratulations to Councillor Ashley Graczyk for valuing social ethics over identity.
@Scottish Tories for Yes
See, there is a big difference between being a Conservative and being a Tory.
Cameron
Scottish Conservative and Unionist should just call themselves the Scottish Unionist Party and be done with it.
Tories want to punch you in the face
Liberal Democrats say you should complain but stay
Labour say you should complain even more but stay
SNP say let’s not stay to be punched in the face
Unionist parties say leaving’s not the answer to being punched in the face
What’s the answer then? *Bullied Together*
‘The past two years have been littered with startling episodes of delusion and incompetence from the government, of which Theresa May’s apparent belief that major concessions will be made to her at the European Council of 21-22nd March is only the most recent. But these two years have also been littered with startling episodes of prevarication and wishful thinking from Parliamentarians…
Much more likely is that the UK will leave the EU with “no deal” as result of the fecklessness and incompetence that the Prime Minister and her Cabinet have shown throughout the Brexit negotiations – and which they show precious little sign of remedying at this late stage’
link to fedtrust.co.uk
“Westminster might be the mother of all parliaments but it’s not the boss of other parliaments and I know the European Parliament will not vote for a withdrawal agreement that does not do right by Ireland,” Varadkar said at a Fine Gael event (the governing Irish political party of which he is a leader).
link to irishcentral.com?
This is the result of the WM ideologues- a feckless and incompetent elite influence that pushed an agenda rooted in racism, entitlement and cultural exclusion to whip up popular support. Racism is top down – from the very top of the WM cartel it seems- fuelling fears of loss of employment, housing and income as relative deprivation looms to detract from poor political domestic choices. Framed by stereotyping and outright cultural polarisation, the tragedy for those who swallowed this poisonous discourse hook line and sinker aided by a compliant mass media is that the worst effects of Brexit will be visited upon those least likely to be in a position to mitigate its effects.
Jobs going? NHS collapsing, buried under deals for profit organisations ? Agricultural subsidies shrinking? Exit of the workforce that we need to keep many businesses going? It matters not if one can shift one’s money around the global markets, avoid taxation and short the markets. Little lives with their little amounts of visible monies are irrelevant, if they are homeless and hopeless it is not the concern of the WM cartel.
Scotland will have the opportunity soon to make a sensible choice on behalf of current and future generations who want to contribute to a thriving, outward looking and inclusive small country. Scotland, the country, has already made an unequivocal democratic choice to remain an outward looking, welcoming and inclusive country – when the time comes to further assert Scotland’s autonomy it won’t be a difficult decision.
Dan @1.09
That’s come from nowhere and is a bit unnerving.
If genuine, it breaks the deadlock argument for her deal/no deal proposition and is effectively an extension of Article 50 plus, except we will have left?
If we leave with no deal, then am I right in thinking that the Withdrawal Bill will not apply – hence the WM power grab would not be applied? OR
The first topics they want to consider are fishing and money ( where most of their votes could be lost) but does that mean they are assuming the powers over fishing? i.e. the power grab will happen regardless.
If we leave with no deal, in what is seeming to be a ‘managed no deal’ have we actually left?
Do we still have ECJ /human rights cover, will Holyrood still have powers or have these been already legislated out at 29th March 23.00 hours.
Perfidious Albion about to pull a rabbit out of the hat?
All a bit disconcerting – hope Nicola is across this one.
interested to read other’s views.
Did any of you observant folks watching the rugby notice how the bastard broadcasting corporation drowned out the crowd’s singing of Flower o’ Scotland concentrating on the plaayers voices yet when the La Marseillaise was sung the crowd was clearly heard singing their anthem and nothing from the French players even though they were singing.
Our auld friends just got their first try.
Cool cartoon by the way.
Willie Rennie offering advice to disenchanted Labour and Tory MPs? Now there is a thought. This way to the political event horizon perhaps?
🙂
I watched a bit of undercover boss simply because it was a Mohican casino run by a fellow called Two Dogs . He said that it was the chiefs and elders job to consider 13 generations on so that all could benefit from the plans put in place. The tribal government was financed by the casino, many worked in the casino , it supported the tribe with a kind of social security and they put money into education.. The rest went to maintenance and expansion .
I really liked the idea of having to look forward 13 generations much like ‘ we do not inherit the earth from our ancestors we borrow it from our children’ Chief Seattle is credited with that.
Good to know that at least some folk on this earth have foresight.
Auld highlander, the beeb are only broadcasting, not directing, you can blame our old friends for that,
Dorothy Devine And the story goes back further than what was broadcast , being dispossessed of their native lands they were put onto reservations & when they wanted to start casino’s guess what he big white chief he say no , it would stop revenues from Atlantic City & Vagus casino’s it ended up in Court as to who owned the land big White Chief or The Mohican People . Im glad the y won out .
Who is in charge of the security at the Lib con if it is Police Scotland I hope Rennie will not welsh on paying up,have they ever settled the last bill the owned
Muscleguy@8.44am
Actually, Nicola was asked if an extension to Article 50 would delay her decision on indyref timing of “in the next few weeks” and she said emphatically NO it would NOT delay it.
Do you really think Nicola has been touring the EU to talk about the weather ?
Meg merrilees @ 14:17,
As I understand it, Meg, there is no coupling between the kind of exit and the extensive powers the UK will assume on exit. We will be just as vulnerable – if not even more so – than with May’s “deal”.
The biggest diff will be for Ireland, with no-deal there will be no backstop and therefore the potential for serious amounts of trouble over the border, which at its most benigh would take the form of a (re-)unification poll. (Which might make us look like silly ditherers, but that’s another story!)
What the article was considering was not a “managed” Brexit, at least in the first instance. It was a very novel take (for me anyway), the notion that the EU could calmly let the UK take the hit of a full-on no-deal exit, and cause it to humbled enough by the dire consequences to come back to the negotiating table with a more realistic and less arrogant approach.
The million-dollar question in that case is whether Dis-May is willing to go along with that scenario just to get us out on timetable as promised and perhaps be more free to scrap previous red lines therafter. If so, it’s a perilous course indeed. The humiliation and other fallout could produce very unexpected consequences, and not only over Ireland. It isn’t even clear which government the UK might have, if present Tory/Labour fragmentation escalates, as it well might.
However, by then we might have made our own moves anyway. I don’t believe that this putative course of events, were it come to pass, would hinder that at all.
This current reasonable wish for Brexit “clarity” has its limits. There may be a point in ongoing turmoil where it will be advantageous to impose our own clarity as an attractive way out of the megaguddle.
I am now expecting a re-drawing of this with the SS Cabinet Minister in due course. Except in that (those) case(s) there was something worth salvaging, and a bloody good film it was too.
I commend this to my fellow Nicolasceptics.
link to scotsman.com
There’s never been a more golden opportunity to quit this failing Union. England is at war with itself.
If we delay further, we and the quest for independence might well fail with it and an expectant generation will have been betrayed.
Jeremy Hunt has pissed off Slovenia by saying it was ‘a vassal state of the Soviet Union’ when of course it was part of Yugoslavia (socialist, neutral, and certainly not under USSR domination).
I have a profound and lifelong hatred of Tory philosophy and attitudes. However, to this is now added amazement at their levels of ignorance. Hunt is the Foreign Secretary and yet doesn’t seem to have a grasp of European geography and history. It’s not a one off – consider the arrogant bullshit directed at the Rep of Ireland. Or, virtually everything Johnson or Rees Mogg utters.
Thatcher’s Tories were not nice people, but I don’t remember them also being thick as mince?
OFF-TOPIC – ABOUT SPORT
A very good game in Paris, with a disappointing outcome for Scotland, and a few talking points, ver-runs slightly. Lots of talking points to go over.
But, no, Auntie BBC decides, we have to be dragged immediately away from Paris to Cardiff – so that we don’t miss a second of their half-hour build-up about how wonderful England are.
Know your place you Sweaties. You don’t matter, it’s all about England.
Yet another classic Chris, your “toons” are one of the highlights of the week.
Nice One.
Tories playing hide and seek in Inverness this morning, didn’t bother engaging with them as other more important priorities were on the go.
Nicola has played a blinder by waiting. It now doesn’t matter if Art50 gets delayed because people have had the chance to see Westminster collapse without the distraction of demands for a Scottish Independence during the talks. Nicola cannot be blamed for the chaos surrounding the votes.
People are also beginning to realise that no matter the result of any votes the travel will be to the right and the gap between the UK and Europe will grow ever wider. If they open their eyes a bit more they will detect the door being opened to America and lower food standards and the privatisation of the NHS.
As the cartoon suggests the rats are on the run and they will soon turn on each other. The LibDems will demand we go down with the ship. Labour will go down with the ship due to indecision. The Tories will take private jobs in the USA takeover.
The time to go approaches fast.
We Willie Rennie promoting a possible alliance with the new English Independent Group. Seem that could work together and not field candidates where they might dilute the voters who can keep SNP out and Westminster’s boot on Scotland’s throat.
I see yet another Tory MP is caught fiddling his expenses.
I see another Labour MP has resigned.
No Deal Brexit only 5 weeks away.
I see the big story is pigeons killing Scottish NHS Patients
and the SNP bad on work place car parking even though it doesn’t exist.
galamcennalath @4.22 yot post reminds me of the story when Robin Cook was a Labour Foreign Secretary, when he took over that office of State, apparently there was a huge oil painting celebrating the British Rule over Dark skinned people, Cook decreed that was too Imperialistic and had it replaced by a huge oil painting of Oliver Cromwell, First official foregn dignitory to his office since the Cromwell painting went up was the Irish Foreign Minister,
If anybody is wondering what Cromwell did to Ireland i recommend you get a copy of Peter Berresford Ellis book entitled to Hell or Connaught. This is the choice given to the Irish by Cromwell be killed or be transported to Connaught where conditions were so poor you would have little chance surviving. Morrissey of the Smiths mentions it in a song “The English are sick to death of Labour and Tories
And spit upon the name Oliver Cromwell and denounce this royal line that still salutes him
And will salute him forever.”
Re last posr perils of trying to multitask like watch the rugby, anwser messenger and post on Wos, should be that Morrissey mentions Cromwell in a song!
Get back in your kennel Scotland. Yo englands bitch.
Ah well, vive The Auld Alliance, nice of Scotland to turn up for the odd few minutes to allow France to show off.
Who would give money to the failing rag the hootsman don’t click on the link.
Robert J. Sutherland says:
23 February, 2019 at 4:08 pm
Meg merrilees @ 14:17,
“”As I understand it, Meg, there is no coupling between the kind of exit and the extensive powers the UK will assume on exit. We will be just as vulnerable – if not even more so – than with May’s “deal”.
The biggest diff will be for Ireland, with no-deal there will be no backstop and therefore the potential for serious amounts of trouble over the border, which at its most benigh would take the form of a (re-)unification poll. (Which might make us look like silly ditherers, but that’s another story!)””
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Robert,
I think I would take the opposite view about an Irish re-unification poll if they go for that.
Rather than making us look like ditherer it would in fact strengthen the likelihood of a second indyref and increase the likelihood of a Yes vote.
An Irish re-unification referendum would ‘normalise’ such a referendum as a response to Brexit and thus Scotland holding indyref2. Furthermore it would mean that, in the event of a Yes to re-unification, the break-up of the UK would already be underway and not laid solely at Scotland’s door.
That is likely to be important for those Scots who have some sort of residual loyalty to the idea of the UK. If it is already breaking up then them voting Yes in indyref2 would not be initiating the break-up.
Could be wrong of course but I think you have to look for the positives and in doing so make situations work for you.
@Lennie Hartley @5.04: good anecdote about Mr Cook.
Whether in Drogheda or Dundee, Cromwell was pretty vile.
Clootie @ 16:46:
Very true, but the usual suspects are still trying! =sigh=
However it’s getting so transparent to almost everyone now that it’s surely backfiring.
Wee Wullie Rennie, runin thru the toon,
Here, there, everywhere lookin like a cloon,
Wi his pals Jo an Vince,
wi knowledge pretty sparse,
All the punters tellin them,
“stick your policies up your a*rse”
The Liberal Dums in crisis,
They huvnae got a clue,
Seein wee Wullies coupon,
is enough to mak ye spew.
When Wullie looked in tae the crowd,
seein awe they empty seats,
Never missin an photie shoot,
he began tae greet,
Sumday fae thon BBC,
Feelin sorry fur his state,
Blamed thon nasty SNP,
fur his parties sorry fate.
Feel free to add on.
Archive of Scotsman article.
link to archive.is
Legerwood @ 17:26,
I do agree, actually. I have evidently failed to make sufficiently clear my point on that! An Irish border poll would surely shame us into following suit, if by then there was still any residual reluctance.
Better of course to be ahead of the curve, but whatever it takes…
O/T but may be of interest: good Waspi Women march today from Festival Park to Govan Cross. Difficult to estimate numbers but maybe two or three hundred marchers, with quite a large police presence.
Good speeches from the FM and Mhairi Black in particular. Message: keep on keeping on, Waspi Women!
Mary Barbour wore Waspi and Suffragette regalia for the occasion.
As usual, NS mingled with the crowd and there were plenty of selfies.
Funny how BritNat Scots don’t see Cromwell in the same light as the Irish do!
No doubt it’s because the Irish have ‘updated’ their history over the last 100years. Scotland’s history is still very much seen through the occupiers’ eyes.
“September 1, 1651 the day a fifth of Dundee’s population were massacred … Across this prosperous and well-ordered city Monck’s troops smashed into homes robbing, killing and r8ping. … The plunder was exceptional and the murder without equal in Scotland’s history. “
link to eveningtelegraph.co.uk
galamcennalath says:
23 February, 2019 at 5:42 pm
‘Scotland’s history is still very much seen through the occupiers’ eyes’
Another example is that many people see the Jacobite risings as a Protestant/Catholic thing.
In fact virtually the entire Jacobite army in 1715 and around 70% of the Jacobite army at Culloden were Episcopalians – a post-reformation Protestant church which was the original ‘Church of Scotland’
link to episcopalhistory.org
Also some at Culloden were Presbyterian:
There were other Episcopalian priests on Drummossie Moor at the Battle of Culloden. Both the Muster Roll of the Prince’s Army and the List of Prisoners of the Rising contain the names of several chaplains. Clan Cameron took its motto Let us Unite seriously and was an ecumenical clan. Three chaplains are listed in the muster roll – the Reverend Duncan Cameron, of Fortingall (Episcopalian), the Reverend Alexander Cameron, brother of the Chief, (Roman Catholic) and the Reverend John Cameron, of Fort William (Presbyterian).
Tinto Chiel says:
From what I can gather, the massacres were of similar magnitudes. Perhaps 3500 at Drogheda, 2500 at Dundee. It looks like Dundee’s deaths were proportionally greater among civilians. Truly awful events.
Every Irish person will know about Drogheda. How many Scots know about Dundee’s similar misfortune two years later?
Galamcennalath 5.42pm Nothing like a bit of airbrushing of history by the occupiers.
RE: Dundee and Monck.
When the City Churches’ gardens were being renovated quite a number of years ago, many skeletons were found around the foot of the Auld Steeple.
A quote from the following link:-
“In the middle of the 17th century, Dundee was besieged again, this time by the English General Monk.
Being a well-fortified and thriving Royalist stronghold, Dundee withstood the siege for six weeks until the garrison and many innocent citizens were betrayed and massacred, and the Governor was ignominiously beheaded after three days heroic defence of the Great Tower of St. Mary.
Periodic excavations in Nethergate unearth human skeletons and bones, probably victims of Monk’s massacre.”
link to dundeestmarys.co.uk
Also, from 1960,
“Mass Grave Found in Nethergate”
link to bygone.dundeecity.gov.uk
RJS 5.41pm. I think that might swing indy for scotland, if the irish shame can us into it by doing it first.hope so.
Can shame us into it first.
Glamaig @ 17:53:
Oh dear, not only a tautology, but a conclusion that can only be reached by employing a great deal of sophistry. In Scotland (as in the Low Countries and present-day Switzerland), the great religious reforms of the 16th Century were most definitely Calvinist in nature, not Episcopalian, which was a solely English development caused by the personal difficulties Henry VIII eventually had with the Mother Church.
Indeed, it was the subsequent attempt by Charles II to foist the latter onto an already firmly-established organic reformed church which caused such violent ructions as the Covenanter uprising. So only the “established church” by English diktat. (‘Twas ever thus.)
The only subset of the Scottish population among whom Episcopalianism took significant root was the landed gentry. (As it largely remains in their descendants today.)
Bobp says:
Makes you wonder what all those historians in Scottish universities have been doing with their time? Selective research? Research not known widely? Or, collective complicity with the BritNat version of events?
O/t I was watching on u tube the Rev Iain Paisley stating that Tony Blairs government was willing to cut Northern Ireland adrift unless he signed up to the good Friday agreement.
Wonder if that thought has crossed our prime ministers mind.
I would guess collective complicity to keep their cushy jobs and pensions.
Chris, it looks like you had a lot of fun with this one. Everywhere in it there’s something funny about our mad politics world.
For me, this is an utter classic. I’d have it on our equivalent of the ceiling of the sistine chappell… Wherever that is…
But somewhere high enough up to be safe from vandals, and something to look up to and marvel at.
Sooperb!
Chris I reckon that your latest cartoon highlights that you’re being pretty pessimistic about the situation, especially if you take into account that Gavin Williamson, fireplace and pottery salesman come Secretary of State for Defence, has it all in hand.
link to youtube.com
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@ Dr Jim says at 11:53 am …. ”Jo Swinson had that funny fake posh accent before she ever moved to England to live, I’ve got a niece and her family living in England for years they don’t have funny fake posh accents, I lived in Spain for 12 years I never ended up talking like speedy Gonzales and I actually speak Spanish, well that’s Mexico but Y’know.”
She’s supposed to be the MP for East Dunbartonshire. I wonder if her constituents are aware of the fact that she’s living in England? How can she do her job properly? Aw right …. she doesn’t.
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@ galamcennalath says at 4:22 pm …. ”Jeremy Hunt has pissed off Slovenia by saying it was ‘a vassal state of the Soviet Union’ when of course it was part of Yugoslavia (socialist, neutral, and certainly not under USSR domination). I have a profound and lifelong hatred of Tory philosophy and attitudes. However, to this is now added amazement at their levels of ignorance. Hunt is the Foreign Secretary and yet doesn’t seem to have a grasp of European geography and history. It’s not a one off – consider the arrogant bullshit directed at the Rep of Ireland. Or, virtually everything Johnson or Rees Mogg utters. Thatcher’s Tories were not nice people, but I don’t remember them also being thick as mince?”
Levels of ignorance? It’s been a REAL eye-opener galamcennalath with Karen Bradley, Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, admitting that ”she was profoundly ignorant of the country’s political divisions and “slightly scared” of the place” and of course Dominic Raab, ex-Brexit secretary, being another example …. of many. The upside to Brexit is that it has divulged that it’s a bunch of birdbrained clowns that are running the show. Let’s hope that non-political Scots have noticed.
link to buzzfeed.com
Well done Wales, didnt know there were so many 80 minute patriots there 🙂
When i was 10 yr old we left Scotland to move to Ireland ( i went to st johns in the gorbals in the 60’s.). I dont know too much about Scottish history, other than what i learned myself in later years. But i can tell you all about the 1916 easter rebellion. Boys of wexford, black and tans etc, every period of irish history. Nothing airbrushed or left out. Which would have been had Ireland not won her independence. I think this is why some of the scottish population have a lack of self worth.
@Tinto Chiel at 5:33 pm
The Barsteward still lingers in Stornoway at Olivers Brae and Cromwell Street. As with the Mannie at Golspie, we will so enjoy dealing with these anachronisms in our own good time ?
Robert J. Sutherland says:
23 February, 2019 at 6:28 pm
‘Episcopalian, which was a solely English development caused by the personal difficulties Henry VIII eventually had with the Mother Church’
Episcopal Church is a native Scottish church. It is the only member of the Anglian communion not to be an offshoot of the Church of England.
In 1560 the Scottish Parliament removed the Popes authority in Scotland. Reformation stage 1. The Presbyterian church did not become the established church in Scotland until 1592. Until then the Episcopal church was the Church of Scotland.
John Knox progressed from reforming Catholic priest, to the Episcopal church and eventually started following Calvin.
However my point is that the Jacobite risings were not Catholic risings as some people think. Catholicism had been illegal since 1560 and were only around 1-2% of the population by 1745.
The different BritNat factions are tearing themselves apart over Brexit. Only one thing would definitely unite them – guaranteed:
A premature Scottish independence referendum.
Now why would we want to do that?
The MSM would have a field day: “Oh Look an Indy Squirrel!” followed quickly by “No Surrender!”. The WM civil war has just kicked off. Never interrupt your enemy.
We will get our chance, folks. Best to let the dust settle first. Not long now, but the Brexit Express still has a few yards of track before it hits the buffers.
Just saying. 🙂
I would think that for most Scots the scales must have fallen from their eyes at the contempt WM politicians have for Scots. Unfortunately it is also held by a number of politicians from the BritNat parties here, truly the house Jocks that will take any insult as long as they feel they have personally gained.
If we are looking for odious politicians there are, as far as I can tell, plenty to see within the BritNat based in Scotland parties (100% in the LibDems, can anybody name one with any redeeming features).
Remember the only parties that are against independence are not Scottish and are financed by another country.
Good old BBC.
They could hardly wait after the final whistle to go over to the Cardiff build-up after the briefest of post match analysis.
After that not a mention of the SF game until the news with a few seconds.
WTF is it with emojiis on this site ???
WordPress doesn’t recognise emoji’s, emoticons format hackalumpoff.
You have to use old fashioned colons and semi colons and brackets to make ‘smilies’ appear btl on here.
So for a smile:
Colon : dash – right hand bracket )
Altogether 🙂
For a wink:
Semi colon ; dash – right hand bracket )
Altogether 😉
For a wee sad smiley:
Colon : dash – left hand bracket (
Altogether 🙁
For an eyeroll:
Colon : the word roll then colon :
Altogether 🙄
Fur when yer really annoyed:
😡
Colon : the word mad then colon
Altogether 😡
Kinda permanent state of affairs these days 😉
@K1 thanks for that, I tried to cut and paste an emojii from another post but it failed.
I’m obviously as good at cut and paste as Tinto was yesterday LOL.
Looks like I’ll have to dig out my old DOS shortcuts from 1992.
Welcome hackalumpoff, they just come up as question marks unless ye physically input them. 😆
The sands of emoji ma.
“As with the Mannie at Golspie, we will so enjoy dealing with these anachronisms in our own good time ?”
Do you have a plan, hackalumpoff?
I believe money for it was raised by subscription (!).
From his “grateful tenantry”, so it is said.
🙄
Thanks, K1.
Wee Wullie’s Works Do in Hamilton Town Hall. They’re not even on the stage. They’ve built their own wee platform halfway down the hall floor. So they can’t even half fill half the hall.
Winnie Ewing took to the stage in that same hall.
Well, what a day. Before today I would have said and think I did say that England were unbeatable. But Wales held them in the first half and broke them in the second. Scotland take note. Looking back to the Scotland match, they were there for the third half. But perhaps one mistake that counted was that Townsend should have sent on the forwards just 5 minutes earlier, and with a litle less desperation to get the points back, that in turn could have broken France.
Interesting article.
The Independent Group is go – but how do you become a political party in the UK?
Among other things
“…the treasurer would have to supply all the details about their financing. This would open them up to financial scrutiny that they can currently avoid.”
So maybe we’ll find out how many bags of money have been handed over by the Israeli embassy!
link to archive.is
@ Fergus Green re Tax Haven Legislation…
I had printed it off, kept it, and would you believe, last night – thought hmm don’t think I need to keep this anymore and chucked it… tis always the way.
From memory, the EU tax haven legislation came into being 1/1/19, however, it is being implemented/ratified in stages, the next big implementation part of the legislation coming in June or July ’19 and another chunk next year.
The accepted wisdom from the tax lawyers was (and this was before Terrible May’s deal was brokered) that if we left on 29/3/19 the EU would not pursue this 3 month period.
If an extension is/was granted to A50 then it would… and they would start pursuing this – however, Terrible May’s deal managed the previously unheard of (which is why although the tories would prefer No Deal – and sell of NHS, etc, they can also live quite happily on TM’s deal, if they have to) in that it allows for ‘sort of’ alignment and cobbled together trade – but with the unique bit being – any disputes will be adjudicated under British Laws – not Euroean Court of Justice… and that means no EU Tax Haven Legislation.
(If the ECJ is in charge then you have to accept ALL their laws, not just dump the ones you don’t like).
I’m not sure if that helps clarify things a bit, and I’m sorry I can’t point you to the source. It wasn’t hard to find in all honesty – a wee bit of Googling and speed reading did the trick.
One last bit re the EU Tax Haven Laws – they are not imposing or setting tax levies – just insisting that the Banks in the Off Shores itemise, quantify accounts and name a person responsible for them so that the home countries can tax them according to their own rules.
I’d love for someone to work out and Ask in HoC how much tax revenues the UK is likely to raise for the economy if it is rolled out and enforced. Rather a lot I’d suggest.
Kind regards to all. Very glad to hear Pete Wishart talking strongly and positively about the future – I hope and pray.
Robert J. Sutherland says:
23 February, 2019 at 4:08 pm
“This current reasonable wish for Brexit “clarity” has its limits. There may be a point in ongoing turmoil where it will be advantageous to impose our own clarity as an attractive way out of the megaguddle.”
Aye, one indeed does wonder just how much and what type of further “clarity” is required.
All those various impact assessment studies that found Scotland and latterly the UK leaving the EU would have negative effects pretty much across the board in societal and economic terms.
We’re already currently having to endure significant negative effects before “leaving” (in whatever shape or form it may or may not manifest in) has even occurred.
This damage which will be difficult to come back from or even mitigate against with the limited powers (which may be reduced further) we have is in the process of being done.
Which comes back to the following:
“We believe that the Scottish Parliament should have the right to hold another referendum if there is clear and sustained evidence that independence has become the preferred option of a majority of the Scottish people – or if there is a significant and material change in the circumstances that prevailed in 2014, such as Scotland being taken out of the EU against our will”.
It states “being taken out of the EU against our will”. I read that as in the process of or it would have said “having been taken out of the EU against our will”.
Of course the “such as” in itself could cover all sorts of stuff, like you know, having an EU ref. foisted upon us in the first place by a party that broke electoral law to gain power, then an EU ref “winning” result being obtained by a campaign that was also found to have broken the law and undermined democratic principles, etc, etc…
It’s so very apt the ship theme of Chris’s cartoon.
When I worked on boats and rigs the safety training was to quickly and safely get to the muster stations and lifeboats to give as much time as possible in case there were extra issues arising with the launch process or the boat’s engine wouldn’t start.
You don’t muck around with brinkmanship trying to find your phone charger or iron your underwear before putting on your life preserving immersion suits.
heraldnomore at 7.40
Memories. I chaired the eve of poll at Hamilton and we were expecting a few hundred. Ludovic Kennedy announced he was with us and was coming to speak. Somwhere between two and three thousand turned up and filled the hall,the balconies and the passageways.
I (as a 25 year old who had never chaired anything vaguely like this before figuratively shat myself) and was probably incoherent but it didn’t matter. It was cheering from the word go. We knew we were doing well but were afraid to dream. But that night I will never forget (not least because my young brother was there with the Strathclyde University Labour Club shouting all the way through).
Interestingly a young Labour star from Ayrshire had come into our rooms at Peacock Cross and told us he believed we were winning. “They’re sitting down in the Labour Rooms drinking tea” he said “and they won’t believe me”. That was a guy called Jim Sillars.
Anbuddy ever tried to swim and laugh at the same time… it’s excellent fun, you should try it sometime, backstroke recommended. 🙂
THE ‘Labour’ ABSTAINER, is the ship on the east side:
link to youtube.com
This was written and released in 1987 by Sonny:
link to youtube.com
Fuckin’ denied at 3mins 09secs by Vevo:
link to youtube.com
Notice how there are no longer any Unionist politicians on board either of their broken ships, they have already gone overboard and under, are about to go down with their unrespective boats, or they are indeed also the present day equivalent of ‘spitting image political rats’.
Notice also how THE MAYDAY craft has already split-in-two, this is the part where the bow goes vertical and bobs up n down in the water furra couple ah minutes before going down to the bottom of the English Channel. Aye may share a familiar and demonstrative video wae ye’s laters…
“What’s that you say Coastguard… both of their boats struck their iceberg on route from Dover to mainland Europe in broad daylight on a calm and clear day”
Yeah, both common rats and political rats are always the last to leave a sinking ship.
Know-tah-benny: Jist so’s ye’s knows “The Wets” represents “TIG”
@ Tinto at 7:39 pm
“Do you have a plan, hackalumpoff?”
Yes I do, but is locked in the same safe as the date for Indyref2.
😉
Hope that code worked K1.
@Dan
That’s an interesting article, and a new take on the situation. Can’t work the implications out straight away.
Daisy Walker 7.59
thanks for that 🙂
@Dan
Mmm, a very quick analysis says that it could and would affect things BEFORE March 29th as the UK Gov would cleraly be aware of it. So it could make a no-deal more likely, plus also perhaps give the UK Gov more bargaining power to get changes, even including the Backstop,
A closer look at those defectors from the Labour Party shows that they are nearly al members of the Friends of Israel organisation. Jeremy Corbyn has been an outspoken supporter of Palestine.
Last thing Israel wants is a UK PM who supports the Palestinians. That’s why Corbyn has to be destroyed.
So callled “anti semitism” in the Labour party has probably mainly been anti Isreali Government sentiment deliberately wrongly described. The Palestinians are semitic.
The more ye look at this fine Cairnstoon ’19 piece, the more it looks like “THE Labour ABSTAINER” ship has run aground! and is destined to become one of those rusting wrecks ye see dotted around the coastlines of Earth.
“S.S. IRRELEVANT” sank achwhile bach, somewhere out at sea, nearby a mystery fantasy island – they couldn’t even make it over to their Tory politicians self-formed international iceberg – there there there they now reside on their castaway adrift paradise.
Important reminder: “Rrremember Captain May (yerra womble), in the event of emergency the captain is supposed to go down with their ship… how’s that view lookin’ frae yer bridge, captain?”
BREAKING: Theresa goes in and makes a surprise move!:
link to youtube.com
What luigi ses at 7.02. Wise words
Gus1940
And earlier in the day the SvF kick off was mentioned swiftly followed by ” and then its the BIG game England v Wales”. Its all about England.
When Scotland is playing against Wales Ireland Italy or France there always has to be an English commentator and a presence in the studio just to emphasise that we are in charge.
Mike Russell called Gavin Williamson the UK governments *Private Pike*
Wonderful…Labour getting torn into by SNP’s Susan Aitken at Glasgow City Council meeting on 21st February. Share this footage as much as ye can as she tears them to pieces about their conduct over the past ten years denying women’s equal pay. And rightly demonstrates what a shower of morally bankrupt hypocritical bastards the lot of them were and are:
link to twitter.com
And if this has already been posted it is worth reposting over and over again, let there be no hiding place for Labour at every level of government in Scotland, we are yet to remove these utterly useless careerist gits from all positions of influence and power in our city’s, our local councils and our national politics.
Susan Aitken is a breath of fresh air and an articulate sight to behold, more of this please.
@Dave McEwan Hill –
Totally agree.
Rev raised an interesting one on Twitter last night, asking why a comment he made about gender-related stuff had a very high ratio of likes to RTs. It’s surely simple fear of drawing the wrath of zealots.
Same applies to the Israeli lobbies in our political system – so many folk, especially journalists, seem to be genuinely terrified of crossing them in any way. The conflation of anti-semitism with anti-zionism is tried and tested but the only reason it works is general ignorance. That’s where msm compliance is so vital.
Pan the image 180 degrees to YOUR left and YOU will see, that YOU control YOUR destiny and sailing ships will pass you by:
link to youtube.com
More from Tabletop Theresa the Terrible:
link to youtube.com
Can ye feel that overhanging UKexit feeling hanging in the air… it’s like an invisible smog, ye can see it in the affectings and effectings of the People, everyday people.
link to youtube.com
It’s like, if there are Air-waves and Micro-waves, then mibbies there are “Brexit-waves” pure hingin’ and mingin’ awe aroond us in the Air.
Scientists say… The Perfect Storm should clear the Air.
link to youtube.com
Bill Glen
Ahm wondering who could have Done this, Because we are To Poor To Wee and To Stupid To stand oan our own 2 Feet 😀
Alexander Cummings, from Edinburgh flushing toilet.
James Young Simpson, anaesthesia
William Cullen, the refrigerator
Alan MacMasters, the toaster
Bleaching of Industrial Textiles – Charles Tennant (1768-1838)
Carbon Dioxide – Joseph Black (1728-1799)
Chloroform Pioneer – Sir James Y Simpson (1811-1870)
Coal Gas Lighting – William Murdoch (1754 – 1839)
Electromagnetic Theory of Light – James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879)
Kaleidoscope – Sir David Brewster (1781-1868)
Logarithms – John Napier (1550-1617)
“Noble Gases” (neon, krypton, xenon) – Sir William Ramsay (1852-1916)
Radar – Sir Robert Watson-Watt (1892-1973)
Scurvy Prevention – James Lind (1716-1794)
Speedo Swimwear – Alexander MacRae (circa 1890-1935)
Ultrasound in Obstetrics – Ian Donald (1910-1987)
Vacuum Flask – Sir James Dewar (1842-1923)
Waterproof Clothing – Charles Macintosh (1766-1843)
Bill Glen keeps getting banned from Facebook for posting things such as this . Please Share this Widely .
Doesn’t a lot of the Labour party anti-semitism stem from the hoo-ha around the International Holcaust Remembrance Alliance definition document which Corbyn did not accept in full as he wanted free speech to be able to critics Israeli actions against Palestine.
As you say, how can we have a PM who is to friendly towards the state of Israel, look how much Trump does to court their friendship, even moving his embassy to Jeruslem.
It’s like the White helmets all over again, Friends of Israel have achieved the Heiniken effect – reaching all levels of governments world wide, and parts we can’t even know about … yet.
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Listening to a Labour MP today who is proposing an amendment next week that WM accepts T may’ deal on the promise that she will then go to a second referendum and stand or fall by the result .
When asked if he actually supported T may’s deal his reply was that ‘Labour would abstain’ in the vote to allow the deal to go through.
I’m sick and fed up of Labour MP’s abstaining. They are paid to vote, not sit on their hands and their principles are so eroded that they would actually hold their noses and allow a bad deal to go through….
Time they were all replaced.
galamcennalath says @ 6:37 pm
Bobp says:
“Nothing like a bit of airbrushing of history by the occupiers.”
Indeed, British historiography has served a central role in the creation and maintenance of the “One Nation” myth.
What is history?
link to history.ac.uk
The British State and its Historiography
link to persee.fr
Historiography from below: how undergraduates remember
learning history at school
link to lboro.ac.uk
Evenin’ Meg and howde do.
SO here’s another random progressive notion… if politicians are paid to vote for the People they represent… SHOULD they CHOOSE to abstain from a vote… they should incur a financial penalty… like let’s start betting at, say £500.00 per abstention?
Then have said collected abstention fines donated to worthwhile charities, that way everyone wins!
That would get them voting in no time, or would it?
The odious Jo Swansong?
Ronnie, does bill have an exhaustive list of Scottish inventions? Off the top of my heid
I can add the TV, the phone and the fax machine in the world of telecomms alone.
K1 @9.50
Who is this wonderful Susan Aitken getting tore intae the venal and idle Glasgow Labour Councillors and why have I not heard of her before.? Mind you I live in Edinburgh.
That was wonderful and she should be offered a seat in Holyrood ASAP where she will be a star.
The SNP are blessed with some powerful and confident women.
Sad for Scotland but boy oh boy wee Wales – giants among rugby!
Ronnie , I have been a fan of the native americans since I was knee high to a grasshopper. Their philosophy on all things was impressive and as the man said we had much to learn from them.
re. British history. ‘If you control the past and you control the future’ – Orwell.
Structures and Transformations in Modern British History
link to history.ac.uk
The Beginnings of Modern British Social History?
link to academic.oup.com
Beyond Class
Social Structures and Social Perceptions in Modern England
link to thebritishacademy.ac.uk
I like that idea Cactus… we could dock their wages for each time they abstained.
It’s counter-productive – would soon cure it though.
@Fireproofjim –
Kin right.
All that wee video was lacking was a close-up of yon MacAveety’s coupon as she mercilessly fingered him!
😉
Aye Meg, mibbies five hunner is not enough, £1,000 per abstention it is.
Aussi, just out of image in the background is “THE UKIPPER” vessel, coming to seek out and collect the two wet-rats swimming about out front… here it was going for an earlier re-fit:
link to youtube.com
U-know what ah mean…
@Chang Sha
“Re the nationality argy bargy in the previous post – see here:
link to ordnancesurvey.co.uk”
“British Isles
This is purely a geographical term”
The ordnance survey calls itself “Ordnance Survey (OS) – Britain’s [1] mapping agency”. It’s British, they would say that.
[1] which excludes Northern Ireland in terms of the political definition
Is the Cnclr Graham mentioned by Susan Aitken the husband of Johan Lamont?
British historiography has only recently adopted a “Four Nations” approach to it’s practice (1980s ?). Previously, British historiography bought into the “One Nation” bollocks.
What is Social History?
link to historytoday.com
e History and Development of the English Class System
link to seijo.ac.jp
Multiculturalism in contemporary Britain: policy, law and theory
link to tandfonline.com
Ref Scottish Inventions
I thought I read ma y moons ago a mannie fae Tain / Balintore invented the ATM? maybe it was another product?
However the pin Number is credited to James Goodfellow.
I think the list would be endless.
James Chalmers of Arbroath invented the adhesive postage stamp, however this claim is denied in some quarters.
link to archive.fo
Just a few miles away in Carmyllie it is claimed that James Bowman Lindsay invented the light bulb, he was the proposer of an underwater cable across the Atlantic for telegraphs as well as composing a dictionary in 50 different languages.
There’s been more than a few bright Scots.
link to nrscotland.gov.uk
Ref Scottish Inventions.
Here’s a good start
link to en.wikipedia.org
Without James Clerk Maxwell there would have been no Albert Einstein.
@ Tackety beets
MAY 20, 2010 LONDON — John Shepherd-Barron, a Scotsman credited with inventing the automated teller machine in the 1960s, died on Saturday in Scotland. He was 84 and lived in Portmahomack, a Scottish coastal town.
link to nytimes.com
History can be used as a tool for social emancipation, as well as for social domination. That’s why HMG’s accounts remain closed to Scottish inspection. We have to rely on GERS instead, an accounting system designed to rob Scotland blind (i.e. scientific racism).
link to journals.sagepub.com
Alex Salmond show starts 1.30am on RTtv.
For anybody who likes to keep up to date with what Eck us getting up to.
Some biggies off the top of my head.
Alexander Fleming – antibiotics
James Gregory –
The calculus (i.e. the reciprocity relationship of derivatives and integrals).
The reflecting telescope.
The diffraction grating.
The first proof of the calculus.
The first mathematical series from which the value of pi could be calculated in Europe (a much earlier and largely forgotten version had been devised in India, but was quite unknown to Europeans at the time).
The, so called, ‘Taylor’ series.
Other work on series included tests, possibly the first, for convergence and divergence.
The suggestion that the transit of Venus could be used to accurately measure the distance of the Earth to the Sun. Unfortunately, due to his untimely death and the rarity of optimal astronomical conditions this suggestion was only carried out long after he died.
Patrick Matthew – Theory of natural selection. Actually, a well established theory in Scottish academia from at least the time of Lord Monboddo (James Burnett) nearly a hundred years before Darwin came up to do his degree at Edinburgh. But it is Matthew whom Darwin was forced to acknowledge had priority in subsequent publications of Origin of Species.
John Logie Baird, the first live transmission of moving images i.e. Television.
Charles Wilson – The cloud chamber, which allowed the first tracking of radioactive particles and hence virtually started the science of particle physics.
IMHO, the most significant Scottish invention is epistemology. Here’s one for Tory fanboy, David Torrance.
link to journals.sagepub.com
What Is Epistemology?
link to thoughtco.com
Epistemology
link to importanceofphilosophy.com
Good one K1. As you say share this link far and wide folks and repost …. repost …. repost. Let the people across the length and breadth of Scotland know what’s been going on under Labour controlled Councils for decades: Is still going on in fact as GCC and other Councils across Scotland still have cases to address. Fork out for. The hellish repercussions of their, Labours, (in) actions are not over yet and are closely linked of course to the Unions, such as Unison, in Scotland too. High time that their corrupt symbiotic relationship was exposed. Any investigative reporter out there worth their salt?
link to twitter.com
As to their conduct over the last ten years or so well it’s been MUCH, MUCH longer than that. I was involved with Equal Pay cases that were dragged through the legal system for years in the 1990’s (and of course there was cases prior to that) due to the Labour controlled Councils appealing against decisions and of course spending £millions in legal fees in the process.
In particular, and most crucially for me (and many others), from 1997 until 1999 these cases were ”stymied” when Frank McAveety was the leader of Glasgow City Council. McAveety the ”big boss” was calling the shots for ALL Councils right across Scotland when some in fact indicated that they wanted to resolve the cases. I wonder if Susan Aitken knows the ins and outs of those cases? The dirty tricks that they employed? The test cases that were bullied and subsequently lost their jobs, as ”predicted” by their QC, Ian Truscott, at the Glasgow Tribunal. Has she, Susan, and her colleagues gotten round to dredging through the decades of paperwork, that is the paperwork that hasn’t been shredded already? She more than likely does know about the cases in the 90’s, but then again maybe I should just drop her a wee line anyway. Highlight that McAveety has been hanging around Glasgow City Council like a bad smell since 1988. Thirty years of robbing the Scots blind between one thing and another.
I was once a fervent Labour supporter, Union shop steward and Convenor. I thought that the Labour Party had been set up to provide parliamentary representation for working class people, then I saw the light. Realised that I had been duped… big time. I’m now hoping that others across Scotland will see the light too before it is too late.
link to en.wikipedia.org
@ P G McLaughlin
Yes.
Reference to the previous post about the Dundee Cromwellian slaughter.
On being thrown out/deselected as MP for Dundee, didn’t our greatly heralded Winston Churchill threaten to have the city returned to green fields.
And further, didn’t England’s Hitler, George 11 & his Himmler associate, Butcher Cumberland, slaughter 30,000 – 40,000 Highland Scots, men, women & children after the 1745 uprising.
What are imperialistic Englishmen/women prepared to do to satisfy their own aspirations?
Sick of hearing from the Brits how we fought Hitler and that somehow secured our freedom. We fought England for hundreds of years and still are struggling!
The tree of liberty at 1255am,
Totally agree. James Clerk Maxwell was the daddy of them all. It is useful to note how within the ‘uk’ his contribution has often been ignored in popular media, aside from amongst physicists. It has been good to see Prof Brian Cox (the astronomer, not the actor from Dundee) often refer to Clerk Maxwell, and totally declares his uber importance in physics and astronomy.
It is sad that so many Scots know very little about him, and refer only to Einstein instead. Einstein himself, admired Clerk Maxwell greatly. Clerk Maxwell was Scotland’s Einstein, a man wayyyy ahead of his time and contemporary peers.
link to clerkmaxwellfoundation.org
Wow – Isabel Fraser swinging and not missing her boss with her questions to the fragrant Donalda
Tuned to Radio Shortbread for the 8 am news. All Ive heard is a load of guff about their new Telly Shortbread program with Donalda spouting off about QT,s incidend with Orange Billy being a one of which slipped through the crack… Naw it Wisnae.
Donalda. I heard that interview as totally guarded in responses. Doesn’t sound like a person actually ‘in charge’. That’s the first mention I’ve heard of the
‘Occasional mistake’ in planted audiences’.
RE: Scottish inventions.
A three minute video listing many of them.
link to youtube.com
Donalda Mackinnon of BBC Scotland was on Radio Scotland just now (before 8.30) but I only heard the final remarks. Was she pressed on the question of bias (conscious and unconscious) and “restoring trust in the BBC”? Genuine query.
It’s all a mistake says Donalda, I hold my hands up says Donalda, It’ll all be better says Donalda, There’s no Bias says Donalda
And that would all be great if the new BBC channel hadn’t already recorded the new Scottish Question Time by using the same invited audience method including the very same Billy the Nut Job who they had on the main QT and now to top it off send out invitations to organisations like Scotland in Union to ask them to inform their members to get in touch but not ask anyone from any Pro Independence organisation to do the same, see you either ask both or none that’s how impartiality works
Aye, hold your hands up Donalda, but just in worship to your bosses in that big London who run Scotlands TV
It would be great if the new channel were to be genuine and worked for Scotland but they’ve buggered it up before it even gets underway, now they have to fix the bias (mistake) on the brand new channel before anybody sees it and the Big Question Time is does anybody care or expect anything different from the BBC anymore
Well Naw!
Posh Jo telling the passengers of the Titanic not to get in the lifeboats because they might also hit the iceberg,so there is no point even trying to save yourself.
Let`s all sink with posh Jo.
The Tree of Liberty says:
24 February, 2019 at 12:55 am
Without James Clerk Maxwell there would have been no Albert Einstein.
Without Mr & Mrs Einstein there would have been no Albert Einstein… lol
Yeah, Ms Swinson loves telling Scots we aren’t good enough or clever enough to do anything on our own and spent an inordinate amount of money doing it, so much so she was investigated by the police for it
I was one of the recipients of up to four 4 different leaflets a day telling me how bad the SNP were, funny thing was Ms Swinson wasn’t even mentioned as the candidate till the last week of the Lib Dem campaign because there was no room on the leaflets SNP bad SNP evil Nicola Sturgeon dreadful Independence Bad, then they remembered they better have a candidate
Scotland invented the modern world, As great a contribution to the world as the Greeks
These words were spoken by Jacob Rees Mogg
So either he thinks we’ve all gone suddenly stupid, or more likely England cannae dae withoot us
Dr Jim@ 8.28am.
I just watched QT from Thursday, last night and it was completely biased yet again.
This time it was 2 fold
1. Chris Leslie was on, and after about 6 audience assassins getting stuck into him, Fiona Bruce turns to him and says “it looks like you are getting a really hard time tonight” (sound familiar, re: Fiona Hyslop).
She then asked for a show of hands of those who agree with The Breakaway group….3 people put their hands up.
2. Almost every single audience member who contributed was vehemently pro brexit, or “i was leave but get on with brexit”.
The BBC/wider media has denied a voice for those who voted Remain and STILL want to Remain.
Institutional right wing bias at the BBC, imagine that. !!
Probably the greatest Scottish ‘invention’ of all was universal, free, education which enabled all the rest.
What I’ve never understood is this constant Unionist position that Scotland *Can’t*
Imagine going through your whole life believing you’re a loser then shouting abuse at everyone else who doesn’t like being called a loser
They’re an odd bunch these Unionists
Dr Jim at 9.08
That was exactly the same here. Only three of the 13 leaflets mentioned Alan Who? the LibDem candidate so they were not election expensible.
As the LibDem postage cost to my address – three of the leaflets were personally addressed to me or my wife at full postage cost and the others were by the Royal Mail “Door to Door” service at around 6p each – (and the leaflets will also have to have been paid for)we got about £3 plus expenditure and this happened across this vast constituency the “LibDems” must have spent over £100,000 on Argyll and Bute. As they probably couldn’t afford to buy a pair of shoes this was a completely dishonest assault on our democracy and the same happened (Lib Dem or Tory)in target seats across the country.
Fragrant Jo got the same level of expenditure in E Dumbarton with virtually the same leaflets. Much more should have been made of this – but then again at that point we were contemplating the most badly misjudged SNP campaign I had ever been involved in.
Would the last rat in the House of Commons please turn the lights on?
Just seen, thanks to the link on the Rev’s twitter feed, Susan Aitken getting tore intae the self-servers in Glasgow Labour.
Gawn yersel’ Hen. a virtuoso performance.
Sadly, it will make no difference, the likes of McAveety and Mrs Johan Lamont are beyone help. Not even a sherriking like that will bring a wee reddy, far less a big reddy, to their fat faces.
@Dave McEwan Hill 10:09am
Somebody made the mistake of treating it as a normal GE and didn’t notice everybody else wasn’t doing that but by then they had no plan B to switch to and stuck with the wrong plan
We hope and expect nothing like that happens again
4 cartoons left until Brexit. Nice to have something to look forward to.
Hi Chris – I’ve taken a leaf out of your book and decided on a long weekend out of the office … in Dublin. Like this week’s cartoon, I abstain from commitment to anything.
So, instead of a political essay,to save folk the pain of watching the accident prone ceremony, here’s the winner of tonight’s all-categories Oscars:
“Roma” – a review: link to wp.me
Thanks guys for that rare piece of analysis. Losers are we?
Unionists get hysrerical at how shite Scotland is.I would go as far as to say they get an orgasm when they discover a slight ”shortcoming”.
I used to wonder why this attack on their own self esteem was not harmful only to disciver that it corrodes their whole being. Unionists are losers and enjoy self harming. More to be pitied than laughed at? No! A sickly snake is still deadly.
Every time I hear this song it is an anthem for our independence.
Listen to the words carefully and enjoy.
link to m.youtube.com
I know others have commented on it, but Susan Aitken really let rip on Labour at GCC. Well done Susan.
One of the useless Labour councillors that she mentions, had Jacobite swords removed from an art gallery,in Scotland because inscribed on them were words pertaining to Scottish independence.
Call it as you see it, same applies at
Holyrood.
link to mobile.twitter.com
Links
link to thoughtcontrolscotland.com
link to indyscotnews.com
Keith Brown: Scottish independence offers opposite of Brexit chaos
link to archive.is
Britain in the Crazed Brexit Vortex
The land of milk and honey promised by the Vote Leave campaign in 2016 has turned into a nightmare.
link to archive.is
What Alex actually said
link to twitter.com
Joanna cherry was tweeting about this presentation yesterday, I thought some of you might find it interesting
Livestream Remaking the UK constitution
Link to livestream here
link to twitter.com
link to thoughtcontrolscotland.com
Revealed: Scots landowners challenge shooting estates tax bills
link to archive.is
Legal papers lodged against Boris Johnson for ‘lies’ told during EU referendum
link to archive.is
You may need to take extra steps before you travel. Check what you need to do:
link to gov.uk
link to newshoundsnewsround.wordpress.com
link to taxresearch.org.uk
Appropriate theme for BBC Scotland’s new propaganda outlet.
link to youtube.com
Here is one of my favourite snippets from American history (note it is not made up but from the Smithsonian collection) that everyone in Scotland should read:
link to twitter.com
Brexit: bring out your dead
link to eureferendum.com
What measures are #EuropeanUnion countries like #France taking ahead of a possible no-deal
video
link to twitter.com
link to thecanary.co
link to prospectmagazine.co.uk
link to mintpressnews.com
link to rt.com
link to qz.com
Dr Jim says:
24 February, 2019 at 10:30 am
@Dave McEwan Hill 10:09am
“”Somebody made the mistake of treating it as a normal GE and didn’t notice everybody else wasn’t doing that but by then they had no plan B to switch to and stuck with the wrong plan
We hope and expect nothing like that happens again””
….
You seem to have forgotten that the campaign was twice interrupted by major terrorist incidents both of which impacted adversely on the SNP’s campaign. The first incident, the Manchester bombing, delayed the launch of the SNP’s manifesto and took a week out of the campaign. The second, the London incident, overshadowed the actual launch of the manifesto and pushed that into the footnote section of election reports.
In the 2017 campaign, unlike the 2015 GE, the media reverted to its default position of writing the SNP out of the proceedings. The coverage the SNP received in 2015 was unprecedented and may have made a considerable contribution to the SNP’s showing in that GE. The media did not make that mistake again. In fact the whole thrust of their approach and that of the Unionist parties seemed to be a rerun of the Holyrood election of 2016. They concentrated on devolved issues especially if any member of the SNP was in front of a camera.
Then there is the oft repeated ‘they did not speak about Independence’ given as an excuse by many for not turning out to vote. Given what I have said in the previous paragraphs how much opportunity were they given to do so? Furthermore did they need to labour the issue of independence?
They have espoused the cause of independence for 80 years so they hardly needed to labour the point. Ms Sturgeon had stood up just weeks before and announced a timetable for indyref2 and the Scottish Parliament had endorsed it. The Unionist paries’ campaign was simply ‘No to a second indyref’. That being the case and with the initial steps towards indyref2 taken then that is the time to step up and say YES to a second indyref by voting for the party that will deliver it
Even the CH4 news reporter, who came up to Scotland at the start of the GE, grasped immediately that the GE was in large part about independence. Something that seems to have gone over the heads of a lot of people who were no shows in the polling booths.
Thus the GE gave ‘we, the people’ the opportunity to show they fully supported that call for a second indyref and give the lie to the Unionist claim that there was no appetite for a second indyref.
So what did people do? Stayed at home in the huff because there was no mention of independence every 5 minutes. And as a result handed a ‘victory’ and bragging rights to the Unionist parties. It took a year and the high turnout of the Glasgow March in 2018 to overcome that setback handed to the party by their own supporters.
Between 2015 to 2017 the SNP fought 2 GE, 1 Holyrood election, one EU referendum and local elections. That is a lot for any party even one with a large membership. It is all the harder when that membership splits its vote or stays at home because things have not been run the way they want then try to rewrite the story to cover their own shortcomings.
@Nana – many thanks for these great links. It all helps. It was good to see that someone is challenging Boris Johnson and his EU lies in a law court – fingers crossed the court agrees there is a case to answer.
A bit late this morning Sarah, but better late than never.
Ah – the morning links are here.
But to add to the list of the world’s cleverest men, John Napier, inventor of logarithms and the decimal point.
link to en.wikipedia.org
@ Nana – late suits me fine! 🙂
Dr Jim @9.40
The words were actually “among the small nations of the world only perhaps the Ancient Greeks surpass the Scots in their contribution to mankind.” and it was Winston Churchill, Not Rees-Mogg, who would never have such a generous thought about Scotland.
Republicofscotland ended his/her Post at 11:19am today re
Councillor Susan Aitken really letting rip on Labour at Glasgow City Council.
Five ***** for Speech of the Week. Well done and well said.
” link to mobile.twitter.com “
Particularly liked The Costs of Revolution from the Smithsonian, Nana. The same old tired arguments being deployed today, e.g. “Where will the money come from for an oil fund?”
Modern Scottish inventions include the deep-fried mars bar which may not be something to be so proud of!
Seem to recall there were some innovative studies being carried out at Glasgow University recently on the reversal of type 2 diabetes.
So overall, maybe the latter cancels out the effects of the former.
Great Scot’s.
A couple of Jimmys.
Polymath James Hutton, pioneer in geology.
James Watt. The clues in the name! Devised a far more efficient steam engine.
@Tinto
The same argument has been trotted out to every country who ever wanted independence.
Re Scottish inventions, here’s a braw one
link to nms.ac.uk
Dr Jim and other at 0848am,
Regarding the blatant liars at the BBC in Scotland.
Too many times, we have heard the excuse from the BBC in Scotland, that bias against Scotland, the SNP and the notion of Scotland running its own affairs like any NORMAL country, is just an ‘accident’.
The notion that the likes of ‘Orange billy’ are just accidents, would be believable, if sometimes it happened the other way around. But no, the BBC in Scotland so-called ‘accidents’ are always directed against Scottish independence and the notion of Scotland feeling good about itself.
So, Donalda and all the paid lying propagandists at Pacific Quay can GTF, with their nonsense excuses for their overt continual and blatant anti Scotland bias.
Scotland needs it’s own TV stations, both commercial and state funded, owned, run and accountable in Scotland, NOT England, just like any other country. A good example is Ireland.
The BBC, the whole damn lot of them, should be run out of the country. They are nothing more than London’s lying stooges. And they can take their new ‘scottishy’ propaganda channel with them too. BBC in Scotland is a REAL parcel of rogues in a nation.
Scotland needs new TV channels, but NOT from the BBC liars at pacific quay.
@Tinto
The same old story, Malta is also mentioned in this article as is Norway & Slovakia
link to bellagwalia.org
BREAKING Brexit: Theresa May confirms MPs’ vote is DELAYED until as late as March 12
link to archive.is
@Nana
Better get myself down the shops quick then while there’s still food on the shelves LOL.
Nana says:
24 February, 2019 at 11:20 am
What measures are #EuropeanUnion countries like #France taking ahead of a possible no-deal
video
link to twitter.com
Thanks Nana. Even those dumb enough to believe that Brexit will be fine can surely understand the damage which one country does to 27 has a reciprocal where the damage to trade with 27 countries is focussed into one.
It is vital for Scotland that we break out of this Union and stay in Europe.
Very excellent Sunday National again today. Best Scottish Sunday newspaper by a mile. Lots of good reading over a range of subjects particularly Brendan O’Hara’s informed opinion of the new BBC Scotland programme.
Legerwood at 11.30
Wont be responding at any length but I will repeat I have never seen a less well judged SNP campaign in my nearly sixty years in the party. Would you like to see the collection of SNP leaflets produced for distribution which at no point mentioned independence and which we couldn’t get our members to distribute – while all our opponents attacked independence continuously.
If our strategists don’t understand what motivates our membership we have a problem. There were lots of other issues of course but our members joined to campaign for independence and if you don’t give them an opportunity to do that they won’t be available for the other issues either.
Let me put it simply.The question is not “who’ll lift the bins?” but “will you vote for an an independent Scotland in which our government in control of our finances will be better able to provide the funds for our services/”
@Thepnr
I’ll send you my shopping list 🙂
Who knows what is truth or fiction?
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Peston says
@theresa_may has just confirmed in briefing on her plane to journalists that “meaningful” vote on her reworked Brexit deal will happen by 12 March and not this week. Here’s why she thinks that date will force ERG Brexiters to support deal they hate
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The BBC is afflicted by institutional racism. It is built into their DNA through their Royal charter. The BBC is not an organisation that supports democracy, it does the very opposite, in fact.
Peston says
@theresa_may has just confirmed in briefing on her plane to journalists that “meaningful” vote on her reworked Brexit deal will happen by 12 March and not this week. Here’s why she thinks that date will force ERG Brexiters to support deal they hate
see here
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The woman is a total disgrace. She is in gross contempt of parliament (and a Westminster parliament is contemptible to start with) and acting like a mad dictator. Time for Parliament to take back control and withdraw A50.
If Theresa May breaks her promise and refuses to allow our elected Parliament to vote on her deal, and alternatives, it will be a moment of crisis for the UK and our democracy.
@GoodLawProject has commissioned legal advice on a General Strike which we will publish on Wednesday.
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Treeza May is a stunning hypocrite.
In one breath we get this: “No meaningful vote until 12 March”.
In the next we get this: “Now, often people talk about the extension of Article 50 as if that will actually solve the issue. Of course it won’t. It defers the point of decision.
There comes a point where we need to make that decision”.
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Breathtaking Hypocrite indeed.
BBC does not support Democracy its full support and loyalty belongs to the Monarchy, which in turn is usurped by Parliament and given over to the Prime Minister.
Is’nt it nice to live in a free Democratic Monarchy such as only we have. North Korea comes close but still years behind.
Breaking news
May is going to delay the meaningful vote until March 12th!!!! It was supposed to be this coming week. Story in Guardian on-line
Dave McEwan Hill @ 1.38 PM
“”…while all our opponents attacked independence continuously.””
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If your opponents are attacking something continuously, which they were, is that not the time for the people to step to the plate and show their believe in independence and the way to do it is to vote for the one party that believes in it, promotes it and is in a position to deliver it?
Do people actually have to be told continuously that that is the case? So the leaflets did not mention independence, so what? Do people really need to be told that, really?
That is pretty pathetic reasoning.
With regards Scottish inventions, I would simply refer people to the Scottish Enlightenment. Another wee component of Scottish History conspicuously absent from my schooling.
People were talking back in 2014 about Independence bringing forth a Second Scottish Enlightenment, which for me meant aspiring to be a bold and progressive Nation which was “enlightened” in the way it reconciled is economic and manufacturing prowess with inspired environmental sustainability and reinstating Scotland’s globally unique ecosystem. Our great forests would proliferate again, but in harmony with us. We’d augment our Mountain Rescue with Forest Find-you.
We would invest in our people, and pioneer new and innovative ways to give our people stimulus to work together, live fulfilled lives, and help each other, and find ways of doing the right things without shackling inspired invention and innovation with NeoLiberal greed and cynicism. We would advance as a people together, not just the rich skimming off the best for themselves.
I know it’s just my own petty delusion, but I kind of like the idea that being Scottish doesn’t just stop at our people, but grants Scottish citizenship to every fox, badger, salmon, eagle, and I hope someday wolf, bear, bison, boar, a level of protection. Aye, that Forest Find-you service might need to be quick response… Maybe Citizenship isn’t the right word, but they have rights and a say in every development which might impact on their environment. They’ve the same right to be here as we do.
Zero emission transport and energy is never going to be anything less than a huge project which is never going to leave humanity. We have a window of opportunity to thrive on the new frontiers that lie just ahead of us. We invest. We learn. We innovate. We improve. We coordinate.
I would love Scotland to develop new infrastructure for data and information which becomes the envy of the world, and as free and valuable to us as our notion of free education and healthcare for all. Scotland should have the best communications it is possible to have, not just the Big Brother Viewscreens with end to end indoctrination and propaganda, and the two minute hate for foreigners.
I want a Second Scottish Enlightenment that blossoms into a genie that refuses to go back into the bottle.
I want to build bridges with Ireland, Europe and Scandinavia. I want Scots kids speaking French, German, Italian, Portuguese, Chinese, Russian, not because its a chore, but because there is every prospect of speaking to people in their own tongue. Aye.. why not Gaelic too?
And commerce? I’ve said it before too. Scotland wouldn’t just be a hub at the centre of nations, but a hub at the centre of Continents. Istanbul once thrived as where Europe met Africa, the Middle East and Asia… Well Scotland is uniquely placed to be the hub where Europe meets Scandinavia, the vestiges of UK Commonwealth Nations, and transatlantic Americas. We might just be a wee country, but we’ve got location, location, location to die for… Oh aye, and it seems they’re even serious about a spaceport!
If it was down to me, I’d grant everybody in Scotland a new state of the art TV, just to let them see what a wonderful country they’re living in, on a medium unsullied or corrupted by the damned BBC.
But, a thousand buts, we are still chained at the ankle to these ignorant, narrow minded Brexit cretins who want to turn the clock back to the 19th Century, and raise their kids with hearts full of hatred and deluded exceptionalism. I truly fear for them, but more than that, I want no part of it. It is madness.
I’m not old, but I’m not young either. I don’t expect I’ll see any of these things, but my spirit soars when I imagine some wee Scots laddie or lassie revelling in the challenges of a better world, which has learned to make inspired progress without destroying itself. I want them to be wishing they were here, now, right here with us, and sharing our responsibility and privilege, as the midwives of the Second Scottish Enlightenment.
Brexit? It’s a common assault on all of us. It’s the victory of ignorance and the BBC.
@Nana
Mr Maugham isn’t wrong.
On the sitch though? Yet another postponement. Right now what folks are staring at is a house that’s being asked (forced) to make a decision on a choice that’s not a choice and on a vote that’s been constantly deferred when it need never have been deferred.
If that’s not politics in meltdown, then it’s doing a damn fine impersonation of it. As if folk can’t see right through such a nonsense.
False choices on false votes. It’s the theatre of blame and they’re setting up the usual suspects to take the fall in order to preserve their hoose and their monopoly as best possible. The more astut among them are well aware they screwed up big time and went waaaaay too far.
It’s effectively the same power and greed struggle its always been and their using the polarisation of public opinion, (a polarisation they created), to undersign the cheque/fallout.
They are a shameless shower of (fill in as appropriate).
Nana says:
Wow, that would get their attention.
Problem is, which side/faction would call a General Strike and to send what message?
I assume the GLP are thinking in terms of the failure of parliamentary democracy at this critical moment. In the same way few agree with May’s ‘deal’ for all sorts of reasons, different groups could feel they have grievance to call a strike!
In a Scottish context, it all seems irrelevant because why would we want to harm the Scottish economy when it’s clear what Scotland wants – no Brexit and an IndyRef2 to decide our future! A strike wouldn’t further that.
Well said, Breeks @ 2.33.
Of course, we’re not even allowed credit for our first enlightenment: that was all supposedly down to the effects of the Union, if you believe Britnat historians.
What a toxic, twisted and malign institution that has been for our country.