Wings Over Scotland

Not using the same shade of orange for the LibDems in the two figures isn’t helping. The LibDem seats are hard to distinguish from Labour in the left-hand one.

I see you used a version of the BBC’s weather map on the right.

Speaking of cartograms (population-weighted maps), here‘s a nice one of Europe.

Yes! Your bum — London and the South East — looks absolutely enormous ?

How curious that second map appears. Surely can’t be right, not with every hill, glen and island populated with thriving and vibrant communities.
Oh, yeah, that will be Scotland, the “Great Wilderness of Europe”
Wilderness : noun – a negelcted or abandoned area.

Ok. There’s only 2 ways about it.

Either net migration or those of child bearing/child rearing age have some work to do.

To borrow from the Canary, Rev., what is your take on this editorial. Sorry, no break for the wicked. lol. link to thecanary.co

Hi Folks,

Don’t post very often off to the Hebrides later today for a wee break.

The following message from our FM was posted 40 min ago watch this space. ?

Most of the media speculation about #ScotRef is nonsense. I’ll set out the way forward in due course, after talking to people across the SNP. I’ll take in best interests, not just of the SNP, but of Scotland…and not be dictated to by demands for quick headlines! In the meantime, the Scottish Government will focus on trying to influence Brexit talks – a Tory led hard Brexit is simply not accepted after the General Election

Has that fire in London been started deliberately to divert attention of other underhand goings on in Westminster?

The problem with the canary article is it suggest that progressive parties should side with the largest party to oust the tories.

In Scotland they sided with the tories to oust the SNP.

Labour and Lib Dems care more about the union than left v right

I think I can guess where you are Stu.

You’ve finally caught a red squirrel family and you are driving north into the Scottish Highlands to release them into red squirrel country.

Wearing your Tufty Badge of course.

And you’re humming tae yer wee sel, ‘Away to the hills, to the caves, to the rocks, ere I own a usurper, I’ll couch with the fox, and tremble false Whigs, in the midst of your glee, You have not seen the last of my bonnets and me’.

Shows quite a nice line for re-drawing the border of Northern Ireland leaving Antrim & Down roughly, a reduced “Nation” for Arlene certainly but WGAF!

@jacksg

Link please.

The snp website is crap.

Image on the right shows a bloated and obese carcass of UK with its once proud head that’s kept its looks but bowed in sadness and resignation.

AuldHighlander

No. It hasn’t. Catch a grip. Folk have died.

There’s been an accidental fire in a flat, which has somehow found it’s way out (there should have been fire stopping to contain fire within the flat), followed by a catastrophic failure of both vertical and horizontal fire stopping. Followed by an equally catastrophic failure of fire stopping into every flat from the outside.

Fire should absolutely not spread in this way in a properly constructed building. There should be stops to prevent fire spreading beyond one flat both out and in.

Someone will get the jail for this, deservedly

Something seriously wrong if a fire can spread so easily through a building like that. Horrified to think that the country has hundreds of these buildings.

There is a very simple point that gets missed. If we campaign for independence on a continuous basis and increase support for it (as we should)an Indy referendum becomes a popular idea.

If we do not increase or strengthen support for independence by campaigning for it Indy referendum has lesser appeal and is easily attacked.

That is where we are now. That is our own fault

This map proves beyond all doubt that DUP and the Conservative Party are best placed to decide if Scotland should remain in any EU treaty.

It’s important we do not upset Scottish people by asking their views on this trough a referendum on independence. They are too tired.

These are vital economic decisions that are best made by Tory/DUP economic experts.

Dave,
I agree, the Unionists lambasted the SNP about incessantly talking up independence when they weren’t talking about it at all but they should have been unashamedly campaigning for it at all times on behalf of the people who have voted them into power to do just that.

The Unionists campaigned on no Indyref2 and they had nobody to stand against them on that particular battlefield. Although the SNP didn’t lose they also didn’t win on ground they weren’t fighting.

If another election soon at WM:

SNP manifesto:

Scottish Sovereignty if SNP win.

Indi-ref, postponed till post next Scot Govt elections

Instead:

Scottish Sovereignty within the Union

Holyrood (Hrd) is the supreme legislature, in all matters pertaining to Scotland.

Thus, Holyrood decides which powers go to Hrd and which to WM.

Scottish MPs remain at WM. Scrutinising and voting.

Then Hrd would consider any legislation that effects Scotland. They can decide to veto where it applies to Scotland. Scotland could vote for a referendum if it wanted, no need to seek WM permission etc.

I accept we many not be fully independent, we may have to be willing to share fiscal powers to make a union work- UK budget etc- powers with WM, which is a big negative, but the unionists financial scare stories about indi are then dead.

But most other legislation, Scotland would decide it. Not WM deciding what we can and can’t run. We’d decide that.

If you argue WM won’t approve Scottish Sovereignty within the Union; it’s less extreme than full indi via referendum.

Indi via referendum would also require WM approval, in case you forgot that or didn’t know.

Feedback please on IDEA, not whether I’m a tube or not. Thank you.

Interesting fact:
Did you know that Labour+Dems+SNP got more than 50% of the popular vote?
In a real democracy (not our FPTP joke) May will be packing right about now.

Right hand map looks like some madwoman about to gobble NI…

Maybe that says more about me than I’d care to admit! 😀

Lowrie Turner is another pretendy ‘journalists’ come Life coach. Considering how she lives her life is in need of a llife coach. Ignorant beyond belief. Racist. Doesn’t like foreigners or too many immigrants. Intolerant. The immigrant crisis in Europe caused by the Westminster unionist gov illegal actions despised by the majority.

Ill informed and ignorant. Another one with a collosal ego who demands her ‘rights’ and privileges while supporting attacking the rights of the most vulnerable in society. Supports sanctioning, starving and killing people. While demanding her ‘rights’ and privileges. Empty ‘fashion’ journalist. The sight of her attire. A laughing stock. What a cobbled up hypocrite. Turner is a right nasty piece of work. Envious and spiteful.

Seeing Ruth Davidson cavorting around reminds me of Jim Murphy. Both enjoyed putting themselves into ludicrous photo-op situations and talking themselves up.

Nowadays it’s hard to imagine the media ever took Murphy seriously.

By autumn it’ll be hard to imagine the media ever took Davidson seriously.

DUP/Westminster will deliver independence to Scotland because of DUP/Westminster’s arrognace, ignorance and incompetence.

Proud Cybernat,
I think we’re in agreement apart from what we both mean by campaigning, I mean work systematically towards the goal of independence without having a time where we avoid talking about it.
I don’t mean send out all the literature and activists we’ve got round all the doors until there is no money left.
I simply want the SNP to be unashamedly keeping the ideals of independence front and centre and that can be done continuously, I accept that that there are varying levels of intensity when we talk about campaigning with varying levels of cost.

Colin Alexander,
I would be more inclined to take it for granted that Scotland is already Sovereign within the Union by acting like it.
For instance, no need to believe we have to ask Westminster if we can hold an independence referendum or not.
I’m of the opinion that we hold one whether Westminster agrees or not and if they jump up and down and stamp their feet, well, that’s just a bonus.

O/T – maybe – I see the Supreme Court has ruled that women from NI are not entitled to an abortion in England under the NHS.
link to bbc.co.uk

No mention of the recent support for NI women getting this health care in Scotland. Much to the dislike of the DUP reported by The Guardian in Nov 2016:

“Sturgeon’s offer of possible help to Northern Irish women and girls should be a matter of deep embarrassment to ministers in Northern Ireland. Theresa May should match Sturgeon’s offer to stand up for Northern Irish women abandoned by their own politicians. When it comes to the human right to healthcare, lines on a map should be no barrier.”

Unfortunately, Theresa May is not inclined to help women in NI if it would upset the DUP.
link to archive.is

@ Greannach says at 12:25 pm ….. ”Seeing Ruth Davidson cavorting around reminds me of Jim Murphy. Both enjoyed putting themselves into ludicrous photo-op situations and talking themselves up. Nowadays it’s hard to imagine the media ever took Murphy seriously. By autumn it’ll be hard to imagine the media ever took Davidson seriously.”

Spot on Greannach. How the mighty can fall as we witnessed with Murphy and more recently with May. Ruth Davidson will find herself between a rock and a hard place in the very near future. On the one hand she’s made a point of pretending that she’s not actually a Tory at all, but her big ego has driven her on to posturing about being T May’s right hand man. Photographed of course sitting at the far end of the Cabinet table with a scowl on her face.

She’s done more U-turns than Theresa May and that’s saying something and as far as her Brexit U-turn is concerned she has just duped MANY Brexiteers who voted for her, for a Hard Brexit, as outlined clearly in the ScotTorrid manifesto.

She’s made a big deal of pontificating about defending LGBT rights, relating specifically to her and her lesbian friends, but has conveniently forgotten she’s done nought for the victims of rape, the disabled, elderly, bereaved, widowed etc.

She doesn’t seem to give one whit either (other than her LGTB concerns) that her new comrades in arms, the DUP, are sectarian, climate change deniers and Irish language repressers who are happy to use ‘dark’ money to achieve their ends. On the other hand, in relation to the latter, Ruth’s probably taken a leaf out of their book.

They do at least have some things in common such as Ruth Davidson hoovering up the Orange Order votes in Scotland and aligning herself with a party who don’t give a damn about rape victims either, even if the perpetrator happens to be the kid’s father, uncle or brother. Most people will be getting the measure of this woman now, especially as she has pushed herself into the limelight. She’s a ‘Me, Me’ before everyone else no matter how vulnerable they happen to be and Party before the People kind of person. I’m just hoping that she gets even more publicity when her Orange Order pals parade through the streets of Scotland, leading with a banner of her nasty looking fizog.

Good idea, Rev. to have a break from the political fray for a few days.

Even better idea to drop discussion points in to keep the conversation going.

BTW When I raised the question about ‘Wings on the Air’ the other week I wasn’t suggesting you should organise and run a broadcasting operation in your ‘spare’ time!

I was rather hoping that there might be a few wingers with some knowledge and experience in the field who could see the importance of having some broadcast media influence.

The BBC won’t change its stance as the voice of the (London) establishment. Actually it dare not because the piper must be paid and s/he who pays calls the tune.

I’m not thinking of a volunteer radio station running from somebody’s back bedroom, I’m thinking of a ‘for real’ commercial radio station with broad appeal funded in the long term by advertising revenue and creating real ‘jobs’ – techies, journos, presenters, DJs etc. Albeit the first step may be an online-only version.

Start with radio then move into TV. Not tomorrow or next week; a bit further ahead than that.

An Independent Scotland will be a strange animal with all the licence fee going to London to pay for English propaganda being piped into our homes.

I don’t know – maybe we think STV is already doing the job. Maybe there isn’t a gap in the market.

This blog correspondence suggests to me that the market is wide open.

Derick fae Yell. 12.47

Ffs, that is just so damning, and I do hope someone is held responsible. I see its a private management company, and the cladding, installed last year, was plastic c to stop water but as you say, should have fire stops.

I worked in council housing, and the theory with high rise fires, is you renovate to contain fires to a floor, small box area. I wonder if they asked the London fire authorities to approve the plans. I used to have to deal with unannounced visits from the local firemaster, just to small local offices, and glad I was of them.

The cladding seems the focus, as one witness described ‘a river of fire’.

I can’t imagine a more horrendous type of fire.

With the election in Scotland. we have just witnessed, in the European Union, an unlawful and orchestrated attempt by one country, England, to substantially interfere with the election in another country, Scotland, for the purpose of bringing down the government at Holyrood and sabotaging the country’s right to hold an Independence Referendum.
The 3 British Nationalist parties are above the law. What they have done is simply being swept under the carpet.

Westminster has decided to go to war against Scotland. Right now, they are just trying out different ideas to see which is the cheapest way to do it.

Poor internet connection or lack of internet use has a bearing on Indy support.

On Twitter, focus is on all missed opportunities or those deliberately turned down by politicians.
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We have cuts to fire brigade, police, NHS, terror attacks. BoJo had safety railings on London bridge removed because they were ‘ugly’.

Yet, the number of people voting Tory?

BTW, John Nicolson is tweeting again. Angry about DUP and their LGBT record.

I could not give a damn about the lying media or the so called act of union, it will all be just history in time, Scotland will be independent, its just a matter of time, and as for another scottish referendum, who can stop it, certainly not westminster, if the people of scotland vote for an SNP government, that’s democracy in action, we give them a mandate to act on our behalf, if we vote SNP, we all know what we are voting for and that’s independence, never be afraid to say it loud and clear, and if westminster or any other twats try to mucky the waters, tell them where to go, be better pulling all our MPs out of westminster anyway, its just a dictatorship dressed up as a democratic chamber, we all know its just one big charade down there, so why bother being there in the first place

The UK economy is in decline because of the Brexit decision by Westminster a Unionists which is also having a negative effect on the Scottish economy because of the Westminster Unionists total ignorance and negative management. The complete tragic decisions taken by Westminster Unionists in relationship to the UK/World economy. Ie the Westminster Unionist decision to illegally tax the Scottish Oil & Gss sector at 40% since Jan 2016.

The Westminster to taken £4Billion a year out of Scotland’s raised revenues to pay loan repayments on debt. Not borrowed or spent in Scotland. Refusing Scotland the promised fiscal powers to run it’s own economy, to maintain and expand growth. Tax evasion HNMRC not fit for purpose. £Billions in quantive easing benefiting the rest of the UK. Not benefitting Scotland on an illegally fixed every decreasing Budget being cut illegally by Westminster Unionists. Prof Murphy.

Westminster Unionists decision costing Scotland £20Billion a year. Against the majority in Scotland wishes and the public interest. BBC pretendy journalists are blantant incompetent, ill reasearch ignorant parasites who can’t even count of read a balance sheet. Intellectual fiscal pygmies. A threat to a Democratic society.

Further:

‘Theresa May’s new chief of staff was one of a series of housing ministers who “sat on” a report warning high-rise blocks like Grenfell Tower were vulnerable to fire for four years.

A former Chief Fire Officer and secretary of a parliamentary group on fire safety today revealed successive ministers had had damning evidence on their desks since 2013 and nothing had happened.

And the Labour MP who chairs the group said ministers had “sat on” the recommendations for almost four years.

Gavin Barwell, who was housing minister until losing his seat in last week’s election, promised to review part B of the Building Regulations 2010, which relate to fire safety, but the review never materialised.’

The Tory’s are damned by this, the election was called just as they were about to have the review…

link to archive.is

@schrodingers cat

“Is there anyway the yes movement can propel the likes of ponsonby(london calling) wgd, wos, etc into a position of authority and able to speak to for the greater yes movement?”

If they were official spokespersons for the YES campaign say? When it’s up and running again.

If they were on the board for instance?

I’m going to go out on a limb and say that there were a good number of people wanted to give the SNP a kicking, to teach them a lesson not to take them for granted, who are already back to voting SNP next time.

@Robert Peffers: For me of little understanding

There was no referendum in 1707 Robert and no citizens took part or were even informed of the sale of Scotland and they never even found out about it for some time and then there were protests just in time to be too late

So in the interests of fairness, which we know that’s something the Tories never really ascribe to, but surely we’re owed a referendum seeing as how we never got the offer in 1707

You’ll notice my use of the word “offer” when I speak about a Scottish referendum and not the generally used Unionist word which is “Threat” of a referendum

Davie Cameron made an offer of such a device to the people but when Nicola Sturgeon does the same thing the scenario becomes that of a Hammer Horror film

Two years ago Nicola Sturgeon was described by the media as the most dangerous woman in the UK because she won an election, present day sees Nicola Sturgeon described as a total loser for winning yet another election

Mrs May has a disaster of an election admitted even by herself yet she has risen from the flames like a Tory Phoenix unbowed and undefeated because she signed up to a deal with an actual and real dangerous entity in Arlene Foster and the DUP and our glorious media play it all down as if Nothing to see here move along now it’ll all be OK

Corbyn spoke to somebody in the IRA in the eighties just as the UK Government did and that seemingly makes Corbyn an advocate of murderous and kneecapping treacherous methods

I’d like to say it’s a funny old world, but it’s really not when the only dice available for you to throw belong to the BBC Government of these United Kingdoms of England with dominion over it’s colonies and their loaded dice

One more thing if my counting is even close, but, if Corbyn had managed to take all of the SNP seats in Scotland they currently hold (not likely) he’d still have lost the election
making the old saying much used by the First Minister correct when she says

Vote Labour get Tory

And she was right again! Yet again we hear all the losing parties in Scotland calling for the winners head by using their collective psychic abilities to inform us what the electorate actually meant to say….. but didn’t

Who’d be a politician eh

Ian Blackford voted leader of SNP group at WM. I’d have preferred Tommy Shepherd or Joanna Cherry myself. Be interesting to see how well he tackles May.

If the bottom of that map gets any bigger it will burst

Snap crazycat;-)

@Breastplate says:14 June, 2017 at 12:48 pm:

“I’m of the opinion that we hold one whether Westminster agrees or not and if they jump up and down and stamp their feet, well, that’s just a bonus.”

Now you’re talking, Breastplate.

As I point out up-thread, the basic Scottish Rule of Law has not really changed in relation to sovereignty since 1320 and the Declaration of Arbroath. What is more that is reflected in the Treaty and in both Acts of Union that is the Birth Certificate of the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland.

The actual original two kingdoms that signed the treaty, and the two respective acts of union, are still legally the only two partner kingdoms of the United Kingdom and the Westminster Parliament is still legally the parliament of the bipartite United Kingdom. It is not legally the Parliament of the Kingdom nor the country of England yet it operates as if it were.

That being so, if a majority of the still legally sovereign people of Scotland vote democratically to end the union on the grounds that the union no longer exists as Westminster is now operating as the de facto parliament of the country of England and has split the original union up as four unequal countries with Westminster assuming the role of the master and the others as English dominions then the United Kingdom will disunite and the three country Kingdom of England can sort out their own middens to please themselves.

What will result is that Westminster will attempt to enforce their assumed sovereignty and will do so first via the English Legal System. Which, of course, Scotland will ignore as Scots law is still legally independent.

Then Westminster will refer the matter to the, Westminster instigated, Supreme Court which is in fact illegal as there is no longer a United Kingdom and it is a United Kingdom institution in a legally bipartite union that has just ended by one partner leaving.

We are then in the situation of calling upon the international courts of, for example, the Council of Europe, the EU and the United Nations. Which, of course the now disunited kingdom is signed up to, and all three organisations have written in clauses regarding the human rights of distinct countries to claim the right of self determination.

This may explain several things, including why the Establishment is so set upon leaving the EU, why the Establishment is so bitterly opposed to indyref2 and why they set up the Supreme Court.

The are indeed very desperate but that doesn’t mean they have not foreseen how the present movement towards Scottish independence has been gathering strength and momentum through the years. They just haven’t found out any legal way of stopping the momentum.

Consider this – they claim that the Treaty of Union extinguished the Kingdom of Scotland, which has a germ of truth in the claim, but if it has then the formation of the United Kingdom must also have extinguished the Kingdom of England and the United Kingdom only has two equally sovereign partners.

So that is why they qualify their claim that the Treaty of Union also renamed the Kingdom of England as the United Kingdom. There is absolutely no evidence to back up that claim for what sat on 1 May 1707 was NOT the Kingdom of England Parliament it was the United Kingdom Parliament and the only thing that the old Kingdom of England Parliament had in common with the new United Kingdom Parliament was that it sat in the building where the old English Parliament had previously sat.

The problem for the legally sovereign people of Scotland is that they must first have a democratically voted for majority of the people of Scotland to make it stick. There is absolutely no doubt that the Establishment has always rewritten History.

Here’s one that is not often mentioned but is very, relevant as it is a historic fact that it was long before the union and thus cannot be legally applied to Scotland. That is the English Kingdom only Magna Carta which is the main basis for the English Rule of Law but the Scottish Rule of Law is based upon the Declaration of Arbroath but Westminster has always assumed that Magna Carta applies to Scotland.

Scottish Building Standards: Fire

link to gov.scot

Search on “18m” or see tables 2.3 and 2.4

Basically, in Scotland, new buildings, or existing buildings being refurbished and hence needing a Building Warrant, over 18m tall need a shed load of additional fire protection and fire fighting measures.

This came about after the fire in a Care Home a few years ago, and was extended to high flats

In recent months the UK has been hit with 4 tragedies – 3 terrorist attacks and today’s tower block fire.

While not wishing to detract from the personal tragedies in all 4 cases I am disturbed by the fact that every time something similar happens government and the media seem to grind to a halt with the media in particular deluging us with saturation coverage to the exclusion of practically everything else that is going on in the world.

Have government and the media never heard of multitasking.

Today’s fire has now been used as an excuse for even further delay in coming to some sort of deal with the monsters of The DUP.

Meanwhile May continues on her merry way spouting the usual load of mindless platitudes, cliches and buzzwords.

possibly macart, im just not sure if the bbc would simply ignore them as they do now, i mean, stu has a readership large enough to warrant inclusion but he is ignored universally ?

@Dr Jim says: 14 June, 2017 at 3:21 pm:

” … There was no referendum in 1707 Robert and no citizens took part or were even informed of the sale of Scotland and they never even found out about it for some time and then there were protests just in time to be too late.”

It was worse than that, Dr Jim.

In the first place it was a totally illegal deal – even back then.

First of all we must go right back to 1603 and the so called, “Union of the Crowns”. There was no Union of the Crowns in 1603.

As no Scottish Monarch, since 1320 and the Declaration of Arbroath until the present day, are legally sovereign but are King/Queen of Scots and legally hold the position of, “Defender of the People’s Sovereignty”, and the people have legal right to sack the monarch and appoint another in their stead then James VI could not give away the sovereignty he did not have.

He could, though, become King of the three country Kingdom of England where he was a sovereign monarch. So in 1603 he was designated as James I & VI. In other words two independent crowns on one person’s head and NO legal United Kingdom.

Then, in 1688, the English Parliament rebelled against the monarchy of the Kingdom of England and illegally deposed their sovereign monarch who also was the defender of the, still independent, people of the Kingdom of Scotland’s sovereignty.

Then they had the brass neck to call the Jacobites rebels but you cannot rebel against a monarchy that is not your own. Legally Scotland remained an independent kingdom and that was why there was an English requirement for a Treaty of Union in 1706/7. That Treaty of Union was also illegally forced and English Government troops were slaughtering innocent, non-combatant, civilians at Culloden in 1745 – almost 40 years after the treaty was signed.

Furthermore, the London Scot who saved the English Parliament from bankruptcy by instigating a scheme to bail out the Parliament/(Crown), and that scheme led to the Bank of England as a private company. This was the same William Paterson who would later be in Scotland setting up the Darrien Expedition and who was an employee of Sir Robert Harley who was the English Spymaster.

The same William Paterson who was friends with the English Author, and English undercover agent, Daniel Defoe who was also employed by Robert Harley and who was, along with Paterson, operating in Edinburgh and working to get a Treaty of Union signed up by blackmail, coercion, bribery and underhand tactics.

Not to mention that a Royal Navy battle fleet was lying off the Firth of Forth and English troops were massed at the Scottish/English borders. Even in those days such things were illegal under both Scottish & English law.

@schrodingers cat

True, but how they eplain members of the board of the YES campaign not being included in TV and radio discussion during an indyref would be interesting. Dennis, Blair, Lesley all had their screen time last outing.

Can’t imagine broadcasters ignoring any new board. If the reconvened official YES campaign are favourable to the idea, they could do worse than invite the likes of Paul Kavanagh, Derek Bateman or the Rev if they felt they could contribute in some fashion.

I know we are supposed to be having a break, but I can’t help at least having a peek at Wings. 🙂 It’s the only thing that keeps me sane in all the madness and chaos that is happening.

I have been spending some time playing my PS4 though – some Grand Theft Auto V, Game of Thrones: A Telltale Games Series and Until Dawn.
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Sad news about 12 people being killed in the fire in the tower block in London today. Simply unbelievable. Thoughts and prayers are with all those affected. 🙁

Prime Minister Theresa May said on Tuesday that talks with the DUP had been productive and that Brexit negotiations would begin as planned next week.

“I think there is a unity of purpose among people in the United Kingdom,” Mrs May said, following a meeting with French President Emmanuel Macron in Paris.

More zombie robot fake speech from the British Prime minister.

The only unity of purpose I can think of is to see the back of Theresa May and her party of grabalots.

@Robert Peffers

A lot of the Union Treaty concerned “papists”. The monarch and spouse shall not be papists, that sort of thing. That’s been amended, so the monarch’s spouse can be Catholic.

So the Union is not set in stone. As you point out England never lived up to it’s side of the deal. But that was then. This is now, but cheers anyway.

Thanks for the feedback and Union Treaty info.

My idea compared to a Kezia Dugdale idea. I think I prefer being called a tube haha.

So… Tim Farron resigns as Leader of the LibDems. Hm.

With Farron being anti-gay rights etc, it sounds like he would fit right in with the DUP and TM.

@heedtracker…5-45pm

…get tae France doesn’t cover it.

GTF more like!!!

@ crazy at at 5:38 pm ……..”External cladding …”

They’ve been talking about that on the news crazycat. Discussing the issue of external cladding seemingly known to be a fire hazard. I’ll be interested to see if the issue the neighbour mentioned comes to anything as he stated that he was totally taken aback with the ‘design’ of the four corners of the tower block.

Meanwhile it’s unbearable thinking about it. Kids standing at windows screaming for help, babies being thrown from windows and so on. Absolutely heartbreaking. Worse still to know that this was avoidable.

Just watched STV News.Is it only me that thinks that Colin Mackay should be working for BBC Shortbread ?
Slightly O/T. Has anybody seen or hear from The Worlds Finest Pollster…Yes folks Prof John Curtice ?

Why hasn’t Jakey Burd drowned in her own verbal diahorrea?

@Petra 6:48

Watching Sky News as we speak. A man said when he saw the building burning, it was as though the cladding was made of paper, just burning like it was nothing.

I think the government have now got a lot to answer for. For this to happen in somewhere like the UK is astonishing. If it was somewhere like China, it can be expected. No health and safety regulations over there.

With regards to Farron resigning.

link to twitter.com

BTW, just got my new UK driving licence today which now has a full colour butcher’s apron on the front. Luckily I have some small stick on saltires which cover it perfectly. Maybe this is one of the DUP concessions?

Know it’s not directly relevant but under May as Home Secretary, State Forensic services were farmed out to private companies and one of the results has been this story (ongoing for a few months now: link to bbc.co.uk

Farron resigns, Cable takes over, Cable wants his limo back.

galamcennalath

I also believe that Referendum fatigue affected voters.Every single interview of anybody with the exception of the SNP has been a barrage of “SNP referendum that people don’t want” This has been a constant buzz in the ears of all voters it is no wonder some people are sick of the topic.Mainstream media have screwed over the public by mixing devolved with non devolved issues so that Jean & Joe punter can not tell the difference (unlike people who follow politics closely)
This has been physcological warfare on the people of Scotland and it will continue

Abulhaq

The FM told us she would be putting forward the arguments for Independence, that was overtaken by the election.

Corbyn lost, and badly in England. His success was about being elected leader of Labour, he hasn’t done anything or proven himself. If he was going to shine he has had 40yrs to do it.

He has no plan for Brexit or for getting rid of the Tories.

Sturgeon had a plan for Brexit before it happened and after the vote. She won elections on the basis of the manifestos. |she has proven European and international connections. She is the one the EU want to represent Scotland at the negotiations.

But if you and others can’t stay focused, good luck as Scotland gets stuck with England and back on the creaking, rusty Westminster seesaw.

Tam the Bam. says:
14 June, 2017 at 6:45 pm
@heedtracker…5-45pm

…get tae France doesn’t cover it.

GTF more like!!!

Get tae fudge.

Its a huge rich area of farmland and if they start demanding Scots gov replace their lost EU subs…well ofcourse they will, they’re tories.

The big barley basket for whisky country too. So you’ve got all the wealthy tory whisky management living the high tory life in Keith, Forres etc, who were the forefront anti independence campers too.

Do the britnats of the Scotland region still wet their nickers when they scope anyone YES wondering out loud where all the whisky tax goes?

Bigger fish to fry, now that the tories have First Minister Ruth Davidson at the helm.

At the very least, you cant fault UKOK hackdom for relentlessly exceeding all UKOK propaganda expectations, year in year, out.

Last month it was BBC Scotland shrieking, TORIES won the COUNCIL ELECTIONS in Scotland. Now sane beeb Scotland gimps screaming even louder, TORIES won the GENERAL ELECTION in Scotland. Its never been this bad tory UKOK propaganda wise in Scotland.

Ooops it’s back again.

link to youtube.com

Or admit once and for all that Scots are not “sovereign”.

OK Rock, I admit once and for all that Scots are not “sovereign”.

Happy now you pain in the arse?

Still Never once seen you on WoS say anything even remotely positive about anything or anyone SNP.

Must be against UKOK troll central training, gross breach , misconduct etc

Mmm, let me see.

“Independence – the cartoon”
“Wacky Indies” We all know who Penelope Pitstop will be.
“Indies and yoonies” no, that’s too insulting
“The magic roondaboot”
“Wallace and Fuckit [let’s just do it]”
“The Flinthearts”
“Scoobie do do do vote YES”

Any more for any more?

Abulhaq says:
14 June, 2017 at 8:19 pm
‘People may not be sick of independence just tired and uninispired by the way it’s presented.’

If people are sick of independence that’s not surprising, they’ve been subjected to Willie Rennie etc ‘no to a second independence referendum’ played on a loop 24/7 for months.

Fascinating times indeed.
The Brits are very good at propaganda. I guess they’ve been doing it for long enough.

The ‘shock and awe’ phenomenon seems to have been excercised to good effect at this election. In the immediate aftermath of the GE, I noticed that there was a huge effort piled into denouncing indyref. The auto suggestIve remarks about ‘Tory win, SNP loss, no matter how ridiculous were just repeated time and again to drive it into the physche whilst we were in mild shock. A pretty good tactic which tends to illicit over the top reaction.

I’ve learned so much over the past few years about media, propaganda tactics etc yet mr corbyn seemed to confound this. I believe he took lessons from the YES campaign!

Anyone that thinks Jackie Bird controls the editorial policy of BBC Scotland news is sorely misinformed about how the BBC is organised. It is the head of news and the editor that guides the programme, the presenters are merely the mouthpiece. The direction of any interview is being guided by the gallery, who are pushing the questions direction to her.

The rest is coming from an autocue written by journalists in the newsroom, the only unscripted bit is probably the handover to the weather. Aiming your disgruntlement at the presenter is a bit like blaming the person at the jobcentre for DWP policies.

ChewinTheFat @ 19:19,

We’re on our way to becoming like China.

I was looking up a health and safety report the other day, as it happens, and the infringements found by a particular inspection were all listed, with the relevant regulation being breached quoted in each instance. Chapter and verse.

All EU regulations. (For uniformity of safety standards across the EU. That’s the so-called red tape. To prevent a “race to the bottom”, corners being cut in order to get an advantageby risking customers/workers. You and me, that is.)

In a couple of years, all gone. All having to be replaced – or not – by the very same people who gave us this latest piece of avoidance.

That’s what the EU is about, protecting us against dangerous corner-cutting, though most people even now still don’t have a clue.

You may have no words for this @ Derick fae Yell says at 12:47 pm

I do……..

COMPLICIT

link to m.youtube.com

Never forget this is what “profit before people” results in.

A glimpse at what a Brexit which sees the roll back of Legislation and Standards will result in?

Shinty,

“And you, will have to remember your place, Elizabeth Queen of Scots.”

If only loud-mouthed “sovereign” Scots had a spine.

Douglas – If anything, this saturated reporting of shocking and/or distressing news only allows the continuing numbing of the population with a sense of foreboding and fear in their lives.

Couldn’t agree more.

Abdulhaq……

Pretty happy with my namesakes as leaders’ of the SNP at Westminister e.g. Dubh/black.

I am undecided as to if the Tories will last the full five years. I have no doubts that they will secure a deal with the DUP in the next few days/week and they will be the government ; but due to the numbers of the parliament and their minority status, I think there will be lots and lots of problems e.g.

DUP – they do not want a hard border. Lots of farmers, jobs and the northern Irish economy relies on the movement between the island of Ireland.

Hard-Brexit Tory MPs – I don’t know the exact numbers, but if a concession to the DUP/EU is remaining in the customs union, free market and free movement of people then many of them will no doubt be angry. How many almost Kipper Tory MPs are there?

Neo-Liberal Tories – and the exact opposite if the Tories somehow still try and go for a hard Brexit. Then you’d imagine not just the DUP supply and confidence agreement would end ; but the pro-EU types like Soubry etc will call for a vote of no confidence.

Scots Tories – they’ll no doubt follow their masters; but Ruth is making noises about the homophobic elements of the DUP.

The EU – May has said she plans to go to the Brexit talks with the same ideas as before the election. How will this work?

If the Tories had a political genius in charge of them, they may well have found a way to work their way bit-by-bit around the fixed term and remain in government for five years ; but they don’t. They have a leader who with a 25% lead somehow blundered her way in to actually losing seats and her majority. She is not smart enough to survive this.

And when it comes to the Brexit deal/discussion. You could have the many wings of the Tory party all fighting with each other as to what form of it they want. Some may want to ditch her and even accept that Labour will most likely win and call for an early election.

I am not ruling anything out, and whilst I believe she’ll at least get 4 months. So much will depend on the Brexit talks; but she’s in a terrible and weak position everywhere you look that I would not rule out there being an election as early as September.

As for the SNP. The summer recess can’t come quick enough. We need to recharge and run over the campaign. I think we do have issues though – some calling for us to go further left-socialist yet ; and some suggested centrist/small business minded to win back the NE voters. Both are huge gambles, and if the SNP decided to go down one route they could lose seats both ways – maybe those Tories are not coming back and if Corbyn is in power and polling well if there is another GE very soon then maybe those very thin majorities could go too.

So much going on. We must not give up though. We have a triple lock – won Holyrood, council and now Westminster elections on the right of having another referendum. I doubt she would do it but can you imagine if May needed her budget passed in a year’s time or so and offered the SNP Indyref2 in exchange for having it? Haha, probably not ; but it would set of a series of events.

These past few years have shown that we cannot really predict anything ; although I would hope the SNP being a major political party is planning for all eventualities that will and could happen.

Tim Farron quits saying his strong religious beliefs are at odds with being a Political Leader.
code for he is more suited to be in the DUP.

Petra, crazycat, this is the Independent article you are both referring to. It is actually cited n the planning documents that the appeanrce is a big factor in choosing the cladding in terms of the neighbouring properties, as well as the points you raised about the cladding itself.

Criminal prosecutions should follow this completely avoidable horror that has taken place today. From Westminster all the way down the chain, there is culpability.

link to archive.is

Perhaps the word National in SNP could be deleted and the SNP becomes the Scottish Party. I think the National creates ideas of extremes with non Scots which though far from the truth, still has the usability factor for our opponents to make mischief with the concept.

How often have you all had to explain the difference?

JET Jockey says:
14 June, 2017 at 10:21 pm
Many comments indicate that all famers are Tory, this not really true.

Is it fair to say that most are and the richer are they are, the more tory they get?

Their fields in Salmonds ex constituency in particular, had loads of vote NO Thanks 2 years ago billboards, and they were full of vote tory ones, last month or so.

The idea that they should now come to the Scottish government and demand their EU subs, is just awful but they will.

Most tory farmers are ofcourse loaded thanks to the EU and couldn’t give a pair of First Minster Ruth Davidson’s union jack bloomers for any SNP policies that favour the worst off in Scotland.

But they do care about the EU subsidies and they are going to start nipping SNP Scots gov heeds about quite soon, just on the principle that as business men, farmers need to plan.

So nip nip Mr Farmer. I have a mate who’s been teaching ten years and she says its often extremely upsetting to see children coming to school malnourished, in fucking Scotland. Then teachers have to contend with autistic children in their classes that need far more specialised care and teaching. There’s no money for any more. Its a double whammy of shite basically.

Imagine rich tory farmers booting out the SNP and voting tory, in a rich country like Scotland, with malnourished school children.

But the shites that voted tory will be at Holyrood’s door, via BBC Scotland gimpery, neo fascist Voice of the North Press and Journal etc, lots of BBC Scotland news with a big bloated funny looking guy like Toodleooo the noo Brian, all demanding the vile SNP give rich farmers their Brexit dosh now.

If the ‘rumour’ is true that Farron has resigned cause the high heidnyins in the Libdems are thinking of doing a deal wi the Tories I would not be at all surprised.

He’s claiming it’s because of his Christianity, but did he not put that to bed in the debate (stitch up of FM) programme wi Nick Robertson saying he had no conflict with his personal and political views and wa able to separate those two sets of values? Something’s afoot. I rather think he would have to go, to get rid of the ‘second EU ref’ aspect of his whole pitch at the GE, this allows them to move into position.