Wings Over Scotland

That’s what you call proper, front-page remorse! Well done Rev. 🙂

Torcuil Crichton’s best ever work for the UK in Scotland. Ah the great British journalist.

Tucked away between a murder and celebrity gossip on page 14, I can’t understand how you managed to miss it, and, even when you found it, how you managed to not get the caring-and-sharing message.

Was it not The Record that called itself “Scotland’s Champion”?

Muscleguy says:
20 October, 2017 at 9:45 am
‘But Mr Dent, the plans have been available in the local planning office for the last nine months……

Great 🙂

How “news” works around this wonderful UK of tory media. Life comes at you pretty fast in the good old teamGB.

link to liverpoolecho.co.uk

Cammell Laird to make joint bid with BAE Systems to clinch £1.25bn warship contract
Birkenhead yard to lead shipbuilding consortium in a move that could bring hundreds of new jobs to Merseyside

There is no shyster like a tory shyster.

link to clbh.co.uk

Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon said:
“We are witnessing a renaissance in British shipyards and I look forward to visiting them as our new National Shipbuilding Strategy revitalises competition across the industry. “

You’re a better man than me Stu for being so forgiving, and apologising as well. 😉

Staggering isn’t it the blatant two finger gesture at Scotland right now. Those two fingers must be skeletal by now, being about 300 years old!

Is there a list of all the promises made, and definitely not honoured and were never intended to be,
anywhere? Update? Daft question I know.

A bit gentle right enough.

A less gentle bit of history:

link to archive.is

Hopefully that dingdong Rock’s not up yet.

link to thenational.scot

@Capella says: 20 October, 2017 at 9:45 am:

“Was it not The Record that called itself “Scotland’s Champion”?”

Which only serves to highlight what everyone else calls it.

Magnifying glasses not free with every edition of the Daily Record.

Waiting for the Record front page that blames the SNP obsession with Independence causing divisive insecurity in the UK and that’s the reason for spreading the contracts out elsewhere

SNP Cause the end of shipbuilding in Scotland

And they’ll print it in BIG

Could an MP not bring this whole debacle/betrayal up in Parliament through Urgent Questions ?

`MPs may request that the Speaker considers their application for an Urgent Question each day. Applications for urgent questions must be submitted to the Speaker to receive an oral answer on the same day. The deadlines for application to the Speaker’s Office are as follows:

Monday – 11.30am
Tuesday and Wednesday – 10am
Thursday – 8.15am
Friday – 8.30am`

The daily stranger, the self proclaimed champion of what? it certainly isn’t of Scotland, given its role as the in the so called vow during the independence campaign.

It still sticks to the line that the vow has delivered all the powers to Scotland was promised.

Never heard this Proclaimers song before but its just popped up in facebook. Might be on the minds of all Clydeside ship builders today though.

Caps in hand.
link to youtube.com

DON’T BLINK

Ha ha……was your apology accepted?

The Daily Record should be apologising to the whole of Scotland for the complete rubbish it printed before the referendum and analysing all the broken promises of the VOW. And still they wonder why they are dying – no surprise to us. Truth is always the first casualty of war and this is war for the minds and hearts of Scots.

I am afraid I cannot make up my mind.

Are the Tories and their media supporters trying to get us to vote Yes and go for Independence?

or

Are they absolutely convinced, no matter what they do to Scotland, enough of us can be convinced to stick with the UK?

If it’s the first option – how much damage will they do between now and Independence Day?

If it’s the second – we are awe doomed.

@winifred mccartney says: 20 October, 2017 at 11:08 am:

“The Daily Record should be apologising to the whole of Scotland for the complete rubbish it printed before the referendum”

Now be fair, Winifred.

If the Doily Wrecker were to print apologies for every wrong thing they printed then there wouldn’t be any room left for SNP BAAAAD! items or the Rangers/Celtic/dugs & Horses claptrap that passes as sports news on the back pages. Mind you, in that publication, (cough!), the back pages start with the front page.

I guess this is an indication of how NorthBritLab will deal with the news, being =whisper= another proof of how we’re broad-shouldered and Better Together.

It’s all the same to the GMB union anyway, isn’t it, Mr. Leonard? A job here, a job there, who cares…?

Never mind the SNP and Independence. The press are now gagging any story that reflects badly on London and WM. So they are backing England over Scotland at all levels. This is how low the North British press have sunk,pardon the pun.

I am surprised that when we got knocked out of the World Cup by Slovenia they even reported it.

I feel weepy when I read this. My gut feeling is that people will just accept this and move on. I no longer have confidence that the general public in Scotland look further than the headlines in the daily rags. That’s what they see when they go into their local supermarkets and although you do a great job online, I fear that the ones who vote are not always those who question exactly what it is they’re voting for.

Wondering how the Brothers are coping with the news – with a leadership contest in full swing – I had a look at Labourhame. Nothing. I clicked through some of the luminaries of the Labour movement in the side bar. Nothing.

YOU YES YET?

The Daily Record…Scotland’s champion of the Union and Westminsters puppet

From Daily Record top economist, columnist, commentator, dog food salesman, nothing…

link to twitter.com

Its probably unfair to expect a tory roaster like kev to even attempt to explain tory UK reneges like this. Maybe pretending its not happening is the best way for planet toryboy.

Big Jock says:
20 October, 2017 at 11:29 am

I am surprised that when we got knocked out of the World Cup by Slovenia they even reported it.

______

This was a Scottish failure – so naturally they reported it! 😉

(Join the club (pun intended) of the nations that failed to qualify for the 2018 football World Cup!)

Off Topic.Usher Hall,Edinburgh,Saturday of next week.
SCOTTISH INDEPENDENCE CONVENTION.

“We are experiencing some technical difficulties with our ticketing system this morning. Our help desk is working on the issue and we hope to have the problems resolved as soon as possible. Online sales will be affected.

Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience this may cause.”

link to usherhall.co.uk

Photos of the shipyard workers for no standing proudly with their yellow hard hats on and I thought how appropriate

They’ll maybe get a start with Cammell Laird on the Mersey. Or a tesco24 job when they infill the docks, shite chicken coop housing, slave wage store jobs…its what they did to the Scott Lithgow yards in Port Glasgow for example.

Archeology now. Still a few Lodge’s hanging about, dreary union jacks flapping over the roof.

link to geograph.org.uk

Boycott all British nationalist media.

Heed tracker I agree with you I worked in the Glen yard in Port Glasgow I was a stager and a shop steward all the best

Britnat MOD tells Scottish shipyard workers to “cheer up”.

Well, well, well the Vow pushing unionist rag the Daily Record, doing its utmost to squeeze bad news into a tiny wee corner, of its falling in sales daily comic.

Imagine the outcry if the SNP had renegade on the ships, the unionist press and media would do a Michelle Thomson, and milk it for months.

The majority of our media are against a progressive independent Scotland, they want to keep the status quo.

Blair Paterson says:
20 October, 2017 at 1:30 pm
Heed tracker I agree with you I worked in the Glen yard in Port Glasgow I was a stager and a shop steward all the best

No way. I spent summer of 95 on a jack up repair in the yard, never been to lower Clyde before, total culture shock, to see how vast Clyde shipbuilding once was, and how it’s all lost.

Worst of it all was seeing and comparing how Norwegians, Danes, the Dutch have pumped so much money into their own Greenock and Port Glasgow industrial oil and gas heavy industry, transforming them completely. Why Scots have tolerated this kind of wholesale UKOK destruction and decay is a fcuking mystery.

When we there in the Scott Lithgow yard, there was an endless stream of HGV’s from I think Germany, carting off all the heavy tool machinery, they demolished the heavy lift crane, and all of it reported by BBC Scotland as some kind of great British triumph.

Its such a beautiful part of the world too, blighted now by poverty, crime, drugs, all the usual rule britannia misery. Lots of UK military retirees though, navy chaps, jolly nice, big union jack flegs in their gardens, over looking their region of Clyde estuary region of Scotland.

Total blackout in stinky old Graun, which is odd as you’d think its all quite big news for English heavy industry, but they are reporting something Scottish today, for a change.

Gerard Butler
Gerard Butler: I injected myself with bee venom and ended up in hospital
Scottish actor went into anaphylactic shock after using the remedy following a 12-hour day of performing stunts
Gerard Butler injected himself with bee venom to use muscle ache.
Gerard Butler injected himself with bee venom to use muscle ache. Photograph: SAV/GC Images

Hannah Ellis-Petersen
Friday 20 October 2017 13.26 BST

@Big Jock
From indyref1

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Bill boards needed in Glasgow…

“Westminster cannot be trusted”

… with promised number pictures of warships, Type 26 & 31, all but three of which have big red crosses in them.

Needn’t say anything else. The message is crystal clear.

Jackie Baillie’s top 3 obsessions amount to a bucket of…

link to imgur.com

(Tips hat to the Rev).

Scrabbling about in my archives I came across this from 2005 and thought it might be useful in assessing how things have changed – not.

Well I suppose that is not quite true, the percentage of the population who now clearly see their tactics is much much greater than it was then.

DOs and DON’Ts for Unionists in Scotland

This crib-sheet of DOs and DON’Ts has been compiled as a quick reference for all true Unionists** operating in the field of anti-independence activities in Scotland. It is an extract of that which we regard as being the key actions from “The British Unionist’s Handbook” (with which you are probably more familiar).

1. DO point out how well the Scottish economy is doing under the Union.

2. DO claim Scotland cannot afford independence.

3. DON’T, however, make points 1 and 2 to the same individual(s) at the same time. (slight compatibility problem).

4. DO claim that North Sea oil is about to run out. It’s harder to sell the ‘oil isn’t worth much’ line since those troublesome ‘McCrone Report’ revelations under the Freedom of Information Act.

5. If you are influential in UK Government DO what you can to prevent Scottish companies and industries becoming a source of national pride. The less Scots feel able to prosper under independence the less they will be willing to vote for independence. It also will do no harm to infer that a London government may be capable of hurting a post-independent Scotland economically, but never state this baldly.

6. If you are influential in UK Government DO not baulk from limiting Scottish democratic rights if necessary. In particular DON’T ever allow a referendum on independence if you can possibly avoid it.

7. If you are influential in UK Government DO cut the budget to the Scottish Executive if it is an SNP one, so that not all of their commitments can be fulfilled. Work with the UK Treasury on this. Then claim targets not met are the SNP’s fault.

8. DO claim that the SNP would create an ‘Albanian style socialist republic’.

9. DO claim that the SNP are ‘Tartan Tories’.

10. DON’T, however, claim 8 and 9 at the same time and again, make sure of your audience’s political leanings first.

11. If you work in the media, DO portray SNP politicians in as bad a light as possible e.g. doing something trivial or seemingly carefree or arrogant. On the other hand, portray Unionist politicians as being serious and competent.

12. If you work in the media, DO report as often as possible anything which might help to lower Scots self-esteem. This is vital, if the electorate do not feel confident enough they will not vote for independence supporting parties. So lie if you have to.

13. If you work in the media, DON’T report poll results on straightforward independence, they frequently show a majority for it. If you must do so, make sure these are ‘buried’ as much as possible.

14. If you work in the media and are interviewing politicians, DO make sure you are more aggressive with the pro-independence interviewee. Cut him/her off if they seem to be making a good point, and change the subject. Ridicule their answers and always let the Unionist have the last word. Wherever possible, emphasise division in the pro-independence camp.

15. If you work in the media, DON’T use the Scots language except for ridicule or deprecation of Scottish culture.

16. If you work in the media, wherever possible DO seek out comment from an English accented individual, especially in authority situations. Never use a person with a Scots accent unless you have to. The exception is football, but we are even making progress there.

17. If you work in the History sector, (Universities, museums, historical sites), DO your best to eradicate or play down any nationalist content. The scourge of nationalism must be politically cleansed from our past, it only lends encouragement to independence ideas.

18. If you work in the History sector, DO claim that nothing of importance happened in Scotland prior to the Union. In particular Wallace is to be ignored, or if that is not possible, portray him as a terrorist. Portray the Bruces as self-seeking French rejects.

19. If you work in the History sector, DO claim that Scots were enthusiastic partners in Empire after the Union and that nationalism only reared its ugly head in the last few decades. Claim England really came to Scotland’s rescue in 1707 and that it was appreciated.

20. If you work on a cultural quango DO try to make sure that Scottish culture, particularly Folk and Celtic Music, goes ignored and unfunded. Encourage the output of politically cleansed material which promotes the Union, especially on TV.

21. If you work in the cultural sector, DO encourage the output of films and theatrical productions which denigrate Scottish culture. Negative, we know, but the key to success is to keep Scots’ national self-esteem down as much as possible. Comedy is particularly effective here as any criticism of it can be pooh-poohed as demonstrating a lack of sense of humour.

22. DO infer that Scots just aren’t good enough to govern themselves but DON’T ever put that in writing or you risk a charge of racism.

23. DO describe the SNP as being the ‘Proddy Party’ to private audiences of Catholics.

24. DO describe the SNP as being the ‘Papist Party’ to private audiences of Protestants.

25. DON’T make points 23 and 24 at the same time and once more make sure of your audience first.

For clarification for the reasoning behind these tips, and for many more, refer to your copy of “The British Unionist’s Handbook”.

**IMPORTANT! – READ THIS – IMPORTANT!

It is vital that this document should only be distributed to true British Unionists. Do not for a split second, think that all those who vote for Unionist parties can be trusted with the information in this document. The vast majority of them only vote for Unionist parties because we have managed to put some sort of doubt in their mind about the viability of an independent Scotland, in their heart of hearts they would still like to see an independent Scotland if they could.

So make sure this document only gets into the right hands – true, proud, British Unionists who put Britain first, who would be pro-Union even if it definitely meant Scotland would be worse off.

Remember, we may be in the minority but we are in the right – it is our duty to save Scotland from itself.

Rule Britannia!

@Jack Collatin

its quite worrying reading them on BBC HYS. Hundreds of people desperate to smack children. It’ll be interesting to see it go through Holyrood and watch the Tories fight for the right to beat their kids up.

“How many Straws will it take before as they say the final Straw breaks the Camel’s back , just how many slaps in the face will it take for people here to waken up…”

There are those with their minds set – on both sides – that simply will not change their view regardless of ANY empirical evidence that will show any weakness – big or small – in their view with regards to the constitutional question. Indeed, any such empirical evidence that shows a particular view to be flawed will often be met with total resistance and an even greater determination to ‘resist’. It’s known as the ‘backfire effect’ and I think someone linked to a good article on the phenomenon in the previous thread.

But there are those out there, the ‘floating voters’, who do not have particularly strong views on the constitutional question. Those are the voters we need to persuade. Most floating voters will often tend to side with the status quo, ‘better the devil you know’ and all that. And that is another thing we have to target – there is presently no such thing as the ‘status quo’. BREXIT has totally changed the game. The seekers of the safe harbour of the ‘better the devil you know’ persuasion, of ‘minimal change’ must be told in unequivocal terms that THERE IS NO STATUS QUO. They must be shown that whether we vote for Indy or to continue with the UK – things WILL change.

And here’s the key. These voters must be shown that:

a) Indy Scotland in Europe = MINIMAL change whereas
b) BREXIT Scotland in UK = MASSIVE.change.

That is, imho, where we have to target our resources and how we will win IndyRef2. These people don;t particularly care about politics but they don’t like change. That is our message – CHANGE IS COMING. Scotland remaining in Europe will have the LEAST impact on their lives than a BREXITED Scotland in UK cut loose in a stormy sea, trying to rebuild our economy from scratch. That is the BIGGEST change and it will be a change that will damage them financially and in countless other ways.

In short – these folks don’t like change but change is coming. Indy Scotland is not the status quo but it offers the LEAST amount of change, the least financial damage to these voters.

IMHO.

heedtracker

Another great speech by Nicola, intelligent, forward looking while not being dogmatic about it.

Just imagine what she could achieve if she concentrated on her day job, unlike Colonel Bake Off.

Thoan’s whit ye caw, ah richt schoonurr.

Just imagine what she could achieve if she concentrated on her day job, unlike Colonel Bake Off.

There’s serious trouble ahead though Chic. Brexit’s going to make a lot of people a lot poorer than today even, as food prices rocket up and up. Don’t know if you food shop but holy shit, its getting more expensive week by week

But we are still owned and governed by tory arsewipes like this, Graun latest,

“Senior Tory Brexiteer Bernard Jenkin has warned the prime minister she should not sign up to a deal at any price, suggesting that failure to strike a deal would not be as bad as feared.

He told BBC News: “The cost of paying tariffs on our exports to the EU would be less than half our annual net contribution. It is cheaper to pay for access to the single market by paying the tariffs than for us to be continuing to pay our subscription as a member of the EU.

“We are pulling out halfway through a budget process. It is only reasonable that we should consider helping the EU out as we leave the EU and withdraw our contributions but if this becomes much more expensive than envisaged it is simply not worth it.”

The tosser is not saying that almost exactly half UK export market is to the EU. But the UK only really exports “services” not goods to the evil and cruel EU blighters. Without a deal, that UK/EU service export market is all over.

UK is approx 15% of EU market but it is actual goods, not services, and the EU can easily cope with WTO tariff charges.

@heedtracker says: 20 October, 2017 at 12:10 pm:

“I think that even the most ardent NO vote Clydeside ship builder would have been a tad dubious of the UKOK frigate factory for example, or maybe not
link to heraldscotland.com

The thing is, heedtracker, their insane strategy can only work for them for as long as they can fool people, in both Kingdoms of this, “union of kingdoms”, to accept the totally illegal propaganda myths they have been working at instilling in the minds of, (basically the entire World), that the United Kingdom is not in fact a union of kingdoms but is a single unified whole, or indeed a single country.

Let’s be quite clear about this – they have also had the long term aim of not only making the bipartite United Kingdom seem to be a single country but are also working hard to make everyone believe that the entire British Isles is a single unified country.

Just pay close attention to their many, many speeches and papers where the get away with calling Westminster, “The British Parliament”, and then going on with such phrases as, “The whole country”, when referring to the United Kingdom or indeed Britain. Furthermore they also often transpose the term England for any of the other distinct entities that exist within the British Isles.

For example this very week it will have passed by most Britons that the Government of the Republic of Ireland had made recourse to the use of The Republic of Ireland Army to assist in helping victims of the storm damage. Are not these troops from a part of the British Isles?

Sadly I have not come across a single person from the Republic that still claims to live in/on the British Isles and there are Wingers posting here who claim they are not British. They thus are doing the Westminster imperialist’s work for them.

My point, then, is that when the Kingdom of Scotland leaves the United Kingdom it is not as the country of Scotland they must leave the still united, “United Kingdom”, but as the, equally Sovereign, Kingdom of Scotland and thus it will end the United Kingdom. What remains is legally the, three country, Kingdom of England.

Strangely it hasn’t yet filtered through to most indy supporters that Westminster has been working hard at this propaganda since long before even the Union of the Crowns.

Which so called Union of the Crowns was in fact a result of a marriage of convenience between two royal children long before James VI was even born.

Why in fact do Scots Nationalists believe that the English kings and queens, such as the Edwards and Henry’s, all attempted to force Scots monarchs to swear allegiance to the throne of England?

Believe it or not I was Lochgellied at school for interrupting schoolies and correcting their erroneous claims during history lessons. I kid you not, even when they spoke about Roman Britain as if the entire British Isles had been under Roman Rule.

Why the hell did they imagine the Gask Ridge/Road, The Antoine Wall and Hadrian’s Wall were constructed by Roman Legionnaires? Yet there the Dominies were teaching as if Scotland had been part of Roman Britain and thus part of the Roman Empire. Quite simply Scotland, neither country or kingdom, was never part of the Roman Empire. Factually it was that Roman Empire that led to two very distinct countries/kingdoms.

Factually the abrupt changes across the Scottish/English borders is far more distinctly different than across any other European border neighbours. Even between The Republic of Ireland and the UK there is little sign of change.

If a wee Scottish school laddie could work out the truth of history, even at primary school level, how did these teachers manage to get qualified unless it was official policy to teach such propaganda? Note these teachers also tried to Lochgelly our two main Scottish languages out of us.

There you have the truth. The re-writing of our true history began in south Britain way back in Roman times and there was previously no written down British history before around 54BC.

“I understand anger at Douglas Ross skiving. But what irks me is constituents getting in touch to tell me their Tory MP won’t reply to them”

“I’ve loads of vulnerable constituents coming to me for help because they get nothing from their MP- and I’m not alone”

“And to think I used to be able to signpost folk to two incredibly hard working SNP MPs who would do their best for them. It’s distressing”

link to mobile.twitter.com

Aberdeenshire is in a bit of a mess since the Tory’s won seats their at the last GE.

“the workforce at BAE Systems in Govan being stabbed in the back yet again over UK government warship orders”

The British Nationalists voted No in 2014.

Stabbed in the back or not, they will probably vote No again.

Petra,

“If ever there was a Nation of highly educated mugs this must be it.”

Rock (2nd January 2015 – “The Ne’erday Game”):

“Unfortunately, we have among us the most stupid people on the planet. Given the chance of 300 years, those who should have known better voted No.”

“Unfortunately, we have among us the most stupid people on the planet. Given the chance of 300 years, those who should have known better voted No.”

That’s just slander Rock, as you know full well. BBC Scotland alone were at the forefront of a hysterical vote NO or else terror campaign on all Scots, that reached 110% hysteria by 18 Sept 2014.

And that’s just one arm of a giant tory BBC propaganda network of lies and terror. Throughout the night before Scots ref1 day, BBC World Service on the hour news headlined, Islamic terrorists were beheading shoppers in Australia, shopping malls were under siege by 1000’s of Australian police, at the order of then Australian PM Abbott. Completely terrifying, followed by, and this morning Scotland goes to the polls to decide whether or not to separate from the UK.

Does it get any sleazier than BBC attack propaganda Rock, or idiots like you?

August 16 2014, 1:01am,
The Times

Tony Abbott has made the most pointed intervention yet by a foreign leader

Scottish independence would be a victory for the enemies of freedom and justice, the Australian prime minister has said in the most pointed intervention yet by a foreign leader in the independence debate.

A win by the Yes campaign would be cheered abroad by countries that opposed British values and influence, while an independent Scotland would make little positive impact on the world stage, Tony Abbott told The Times.

I have said this before but the people that work in the yards deserve to lose their jobs for believing Westminster would ever deliver their promise.

They have a clear and concise track record.

If they have any balls they would down tools now.

The workers have to realize that they need to make their own decisions, we need to have a government that cares about our economy.

Voting labour or conservative in Westminster is beyond stupid

I have no sympathy

@Effijy
One of the things the Scottish Government can do even now, is to prepare a simple one page description of how it does its tendering processes, for such as the ferries it already puts out tenders for. That document would be aimed at us, the general public, and could describe briefly the contracts it does with its orders.

It would then be simple for any party or group to extend this to tendering for the likes of a Scottish Navy during Indy Ref 2, and that could help not just with the shipyard workers, but the communities around.

It could be a counter to Project Fear 2 and Fallon “Vote YES and you won’t get the other 5 Type 26”.

No, but we will get our own frigate builds, patrol vessel builds, large deck amphibs, support vessels, oilers and solids, tenders and dredgers, and marine and army amhibs. So where will we build these? Now let me see …

heedtracker,

“BBC Scotland alone were at the forefront of a hysterical vote NO or else terror campaign on all Scots, that reached 110% hysteria by 18 Sept 2014.”

Guardian reader with a Slovene (ex?)girlfriend, whenever I call for the destruction of the BBC, you butt in that its impossible.

That also makes Scottish independence impossible.

Rock (21st May – “This wheel’s on fire”):

“As I have said before, Scotland will not become independent until the BBC has been completely destroyed.

Our priorities should be:

1. Completely destroy the BBC;

2. Hold an independence referendum.”

heedtracker,

“Yes well we can’t Einstein. BBC is a core UK institution, like the cops, military, NHS, royals, you name it.”

@ heedtracker re Gerard Butler I hope he enjoy’s the next 3 yrs getting preventative treatment at Gartnavel Hosp the only hosp in britain to do this treatment , my Wife is on the last year of preventative treatment to boost her immunity , this coming Tues will be 3hrs at the Hosp injection 1 hr wait then consultant .

Enjoy Mr Butler ( idiot )

Proud Cybernat says

These voters must be shown that:

a) Indy Scotland in Europe = MINIMAL change whereas
b) BREXIT Scotland in UK = MASSIVE.change.

That is, imho, where we have to target our resources and how we will win IndyRef2.

Agree completely. In IndyRef1 there was genuine fear of change. That is why Project Fear played a part in the NO win. There was no need to create fear, just stoke it up a bit.

Indy for the undecided / swithering seemed a bit scary.

Indy for those who thought they had something to lose, it was bloody terrifying.

IndyRef2 and the tables should have turned and we need to make sure they are seen to have switched. Indy will in many situations look like the least scary because much of the status quo can be preserved. Staying with the Union will look the risky option for those out to look after their own interests.

I’m not suggesting a counter Project Fear, because the new reality should render a pro Union fearmongering campaign look ridiculous! I’d prefer to simply neutralise false propaganda and let people see the safe options and enormous potential to move on.

Robert Peffers at 4.55pm

WELL SAID

Our priorities should be:

1. Completely destroy the BBC;

What with Rock, the Death Star?

BBC is just corrupt, corrupted by tory britnats.

Tories have destroyed the BBC on their own, they do not need anyone’s help basically.

And they’re awful at making telly and radio too. Its probably not a coincidence Rock.

You are a con though, trying to put the fear of refs up anyone who actually reads your tripe.

Tonights top stories from Reporting Scotland

Beep beep beeep beeep, Some woolly poppies were knitted, Beep Beep beep, Geese were chased off a field, Beep beep beep, now some football and the weather

So much to take in at once

STV was a rape, balcony death in Spain, some bird with a camera, poppies, and some old guy, as well as the usual sport, was at 12x or 30x so sadly misssed all that fascinating crap. I think it did cover Wishart.

STV was a r*pe, balcony death in Spain, some bird with a camera, poppies, and some old guy, as well as the usual sport, was at 12x or 30x so I sadly misssed all that fascinating crap. I think it did cover Wishart.

The Rev does his best, The National does its best, even the Herald does its best, the Scotsman fairly anaemic, and what does our great fecking broadcasters do? Feck all, they don’t give two solitary shites about the Clyde, the T26, the T31e, the workers on the Clyde, the future of naval shipbuilding on the Clyde, it’s some bird and some poppies, the usual depressing Scotland is shite crimes, feck all, and feck them all the bastards.

I need a break, problem is can I keep myself away from all this shite for a weekend.

@Ian Brotherhood
Maybe he’s on holiday, along with the rest of STV – and the so-called BBC Scotland.

Arsewipes.

@yesindyref2 –

🙂

Or maybe Ponsonby’s stowed himself away in the boot of the ministerial car, waiting for the right moment to exact his revenge…

The frigate story was on misreporting Scotland at Lunchtime, apparently some of the super dooper electronics works will be carried out by Glasgow based base guys, so that’s ok then , you could even tell the cub reporter knew he was spouting shite.

Sorry about posting about this again but it is a bloody disgrace.

Judge backs Home Office bid to deport American couple

Maybe the Tank Commander and her gallant troops could make Rudd change her mind.

Herald, should be another tortuous round of bollox too. Start of Westminster Spain style ref2 block no doubt.

19th October
Yes or No: MPs will debate indyref2 issue on back of public petitions

THE topic of whether or not there should be another referendum on Scottish independence is to be debated by MPs next month.

The Commons debate on Monday November 13 has come about because of two petitions from the public, one of which reached the required level – 100,000 signatures – meaning there is a presumption that it will be discussed at Westminster.

The first petition called for there not to be another vote on Scotland’s future, which attracted 221,514 signatures.

ronnie anderson

Sorry to hear about Mrs Anderson, Ronnie. Hope the treatment works ofcourse!

Ross Thomson wouldn’t know anything about investment banks but he certainly knows about wasting £Billions of taxpayers money. He left Aberdeen City Council £1.2Billion in debt. Him and his unionists cronies illegally sold the City on the stock exchange. They wasted £200Million on a groteque monstrosity. No one wanted. A total waste of money. Ruining the City Centre. Shut and ruined the Art Gallery for years. Destroyed the Aberdeen Artist exhibition, The Art Gallery was built to house. Shut the Music Hall for years. The City Centre is like a ghost town. The displaced traffic is causing traffic chaos. Dangerously high emission levels.

That’s what Ross Thomson was party too before he fecked off to Westminster. With the rest of the miserable, useless bastards. Evicting good people from Scotland who have invested in the Highlands.

The Tory bastards like Ross Thomson deliberately ruining the Oil & Gas sector with illegally high taxes. 40% tax since Jan 2016. Losing thousands of jobs in Scotland. 120,000. They are doing the same with the Whisky industry. Scotland could have had full employment. Unemployed 103,000. There would have been excess jobs in Scotland Putting wages and conditions up. If it wasn’t for Tory bastards/unionists.

Who replaced Thomson, (unelected) auld liar Tom Mason. The two jobs Tory the unionists change council meeting to accomodate. They should have to retire at 70. They make the retirement age for everyone. They should be obliged to do the same. Not unelected milking two posts telling lies in Holyrood. Lying and saying how much they support education. Aberdeen City over 100 teachers short. Cutting the allocated education, social care essential services budget.

No drug/drink rehab. Methodone programmes that do not work. They kill people young. The unionist way. Willie Young’s mysteriously funded path. At least he is gone. The chancers left are just as bad. Willy Young wanted to put vulnerable folk in prison. The mysterious path sceptre should have been put away.

Labour unionists (9 left) try to take credit for all the funding projects the Scottish Gov does. Building council houses. The Village Sports centre (Alex Salmond), The essential AWPR, the unionists blocked for forty years. The equivalent of £Billions that went south to fund Canary Wharf and Tilbury Docks. Centralising transport through London S/E causing traffic chaos. Thatcher secretly and illegally taking the Oil revenues south. Keeping it secret under the Official Secrets Act.

Yet ignorant folk in the NE are voting Tory/unionists after they have done everything to ruin the Oil & Gas sector. Losing thousands of jobs. The folk losing their jobs are voting Tory for the bastards who cost them their jobs. Brexit will hit the NE /Scotland the hardest but some glue pots are voting Tory/unionist. For the bastards that are causing all the mess. Others are seating on their hands not even voting. Like Turkeys waiting for Christmas. How daft is that. The unelected not nice and dim Tories riping off the public purse. Along with their cronies. Most of them should be in jail.

@Petra –

I’m wondering if maybe, just ‘maybe’ being part of this movement is healthy. Yeah, we all need time-out now and then, but in general terms I believe it’s beneficial. Keeps us sharp!

😉

One of the successes of the No campaign at the referendum campaign was to control the narrative on the economic aspects and focus them on jobs provided directly and indirectly by the British government.

In doing this, they created a level of fear with the prospect of the withdrawal of these jobs in the event of independence and resultant harm to the Scottish economy that was far in excess as it’s real impact.

In the case of the shipbuilding jobs, while it would have had a disastrous consequence on the local economy, and from the looks of things it will, how harmful would it have been to the Scottish economy overall?

I don’t think it is right to make capital out of other peoples misery but the No campaign played mercilessly on peoples fears, whether it was their jobs or their pensions. When the next referendum comes, does a part of the Yes campaign focus on these broken promises made at the last one and use them to constantly attack the No campaign, even if it is negative in tone?

I generally don’t. Change classic lyrics, however…

YES today
All our troubles can go far away,
Voting NO will keep them here to stay,
Oh I believe in
yES today

Petra says:
20 October, 2017 at 8:49 pm
@ yesindyref2 at 7:52pm …… “I need a break.”

Sometimes you just need a pep talk. And some people say YES Scotland doesn’t need a great leader:D

Noticed a reference to this on WOS twitter.
Won’t post Herald link.
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DOZENS of street marches across Scotland – including many run by the Orange Order – face being cancelled as the police acts on fresh legal advice that is likely to hike the cost of parades.

Road closures for Orange marches, other political, religious or cultural parades and events, have in the past been arranged informally where necessary between the police and the relevant council.

But Police Scotland has now been warned that officers lack the power to divert or hold up traffic without a court order – unless responding to an emergency.

A paper, to be presented to the Scottish Police Authority’s (SPA) policing committee next week, warns that adhering to the new legal advice will inevitably entail costs for councils.

Re. Brexit. Yoons are simply ‘old-school’ nationalists, we’re a bit different. 😉

Breaking-Up Britain? The dynamics of “nationalism” and Brexit

Changing Face of Nationalism?

The referendum campaign has confirmed trends within Irish, Scottish and Welsh nationalisms to look more favourably on the EU. Even Sinn Féin, historically a vocal critic of the EU, came out in support of Britain remaining – an important contribution given the party’s influence in Northern Ireland. Although arguing the need for EU reform, the party claimed that European membership protected Irish businesses and trade.

This was an almost identical position to that of the SNP who, although similarly wary of EU imperfections and arguing the need for reform, stressed the benefits of membership for Scotland.[ii]

A number of key points emerge from this.

Firstly, membership of the EU has facilitated a very definite shift away from the economic protectionism that characterised nationalism during the first half of the twentieth century. The three parties identified above see a value in European co-operation and believe that it can enhance the economic viability of the political independence they seek….

Old Nationalism and the politics of “Othering”

Perhaps the most important aspect of the EU debate centred on the continuing growth, largely in England, of a politics resembling ‘old nationalism’. This was most clearly evident in the political campaigning of UKIP.

Several key characteristics marked it out as such.

Firstly, it was largely led by a political elite[iv] – primarily conservative in outlook – that sought to present itself as understanding the needs of “ordinary” people. In order to do so they sought to exploit the social and economic frustrations that have developed in areas of disadvantage. This elite, in order to mobilise popular support, presented themselves as an alternative to the “failed” establishment and expressed a desire to return the country to a ‘paradise lost’.[v]

Perhaps the most crucial element of their politicking, however, was the processes of “Othering” that they engaged in.[vi] This took the form of presenting Others – EU institutions and “immigrants” – as a threat to the British way of life and essentially blamed these Others for all of the ills faced by society. Whilst UKIP claim to be ‘a non-racist and non-sectarian party’ and describe themselves as ‘civic’ nationalists[vii], the language they used and the messages they espoused were designed to build barriers between “us” and “them” – a classic characteristic of “old” nationalism.

link to fournationshistory.wordpress.com

Old-school is the new new-school apparently, more on Brexit.

Defining and Challenging New Nationalism
Brexit represented the formal consolidation of a new electoral coalition in the UK: middle-income conservatives as dotted across the green shires and provincial towns of England hitched to huge swathes of previously Labour voting working-class Britain. Much ink has been accordingly spilt trying to account for the different motivations and socio-economic circumstances that aligned to produce this new political pivot where, put proverbially, middle England’ meets the ‘left behind’. A speculation that has been renewed upon the declaration of a ‘Brexit’ themed General Election. Amid all the burgeoning and at times maddening commentary, the one apparent consensus among detractors and supporters alike is the observation that Brexit, and the feelings of resentment and powerlessness that fuelled it, was primarily framed by issues of ethnic difference and immigration.

This is not to discount the various other themes that surfaced during the campaigns – claims pertaining to unaccountable bureaucracies, democratic deficits, the Euro’s crisis tendency, the drive towards centralised federalism, and even, from admittedly slightly quixotic leftist factions, the EU as an unapologetically neoliberal single-market body that undermines locally progressive politics. Yet, in spite of these no doubt significant criticisms, it is apparent that the assortment of more overtly xenophobic, race-baiting themes was ‘wot won the referendum’. Themes relating to immigration, refugees, Muslims, the spectre of Turkey, the Roma, the tyranny of anti-racist political correctness, and the ECHR sanctioned human rights restrictions that, among other excesses, supposedly impugn the integrity of British soldiers.

link to thesociologicalreview.com

Noam Chomsky in “Requiem for the American Dream” spells out the methods used by the less-than-one-percent to disenfranchise the people ie. us.

Puts independence movements in perspective. They undermine the power of the elite. 1 hr 10 mins

youtu.be/rWD8Wksx_zI

Capella @ 23:58,

(You must include the “www.” prefix but NOT any of the stuff before that in order to properly embed youtube links here.)

I’m not in the least surprised by the lack of Brexit analysis by the BBC in Scotland.

IMHO, Scottish nationalism is actually moderate patriotism. British nationalism is more of an imperialist projection of English nationalism. Not a healthy disposition for moderate Scots to adopt, frankly. More on Brexit.

Racism, Crisis, Brexit

Abstract

This article offers a conjunctural analysis of the financial and political crisis within which Brexit occurred with a specific attentiveness to race and racism. Brexit and its aftermath have been overdetermined by racism, including racist violence. We suggest that the Leave campaign secured its victory by bringing together two contradictory but inter-locking visions. The first comprises an imperial longing to restore Britain’s place in the world as primus inter pares that occludes any coming to terms with the corrosive legacies of colonial conquest and racist subjugation. The second takes the form of an insular, Powellite narrative of island retreat from a “globalizing” world, one that is no longer recognizably “British”. Further, the article argues that an invisible driver of the Brexit vote and its racist aftermath has been a politicization of Englishness. We conclude by outlining some resources of hope that could potentially help to negotiate the current emergency.

link to tandfonline.com

Love our Scotland ~

and fuck you the Daily fuckin’ Record.

Let’s get outraged together.

You are banished.

Avec love.

Mhah?

X.

So in that case it’s up to YOU.

Yes YOU and ME all that believe in Independence. It becomes our job to expose the lies and direct people to sites such as Wings.

You know something I stopped wearing my Yes badge after the referendum, maybe I was embarrassed or ashamed. For the last three months I’ve worn one every day. It’s funny people notice but no comments.

Time to get noticed again, if like me you stopped wearing them I implore you to get them back on. The more visible we are the stronger we become.

If you support Independence then don’t be shy about showing it.

Just checking in! I know I should go onto O/T, but I’m going to break the rules. OMG what will Stu have to say?! I’ll be sorry tomorrow no doubt. Just loving it. Holding an SNP party. Non better. The Scots the best ever party go-ers in the Whole Wide World. Yeah we are.

So here we go. A real OLDY, but absolutely brilliant. Get your butts moving folks.

link to youtube.com

And then again if you are suffering in any way at all you may relate to this song. If you do we’ll hold you, hug you, we’ll help you and we’ll love you if you come to Scotland.

We Scots know all about suffering. An even older … oldy.

link to youtube.com

Evening Petra, sames goes for me, off topic it should be, mild apologies to peoples that turn off at swearishyish words, I have only ever sworn the C word on here in Italiano, check that thing out.

Starts with a P…!

The Sopranos.

iYes.

@Petra

I didn’t know you could boogie LOL.

That first one was good and puts you right in the mood :). Hank Williams well not so good, too depressing but hey, always tomorrow eh.

@Az

Yes it is 🙂