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Kicking the dog until it bites

Posted on September 06, 2014 by

Today’s Daily Mail carries a dismal article under a hysterical essay of a headline reading “Homes vandalised, accused of stealing jobs and an atmosphere of discriminatory intimidation: The savage racism turning Scotland into a no-go zone for the English”. (It actually describes a couple of minor incidents, spread over several years, affecting a single elderly couple in Stirling, without a shred of evidence that they were in fact motivated by their Englishness.)

There are undoubtedly small pockets of anti-English racism to be found in parts of Scotland, like there are small pockets of every kind of racism and prejudice found in every country in the world. But why would any Scottish person ever be driven to feel animosity towards the English – our friends, our family and our neighbours?

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Not just because of a few isolated nutters on Facebook, surely?

Simon Heffer, Daily Mail, 6 September 2014 (yes, the same day)

“Far better than offering ‘devo max’, a post-referendum non-independent Scotland should be forced into a fresh start with a reduction in the amount of English taxpayer-funded subsidies.”

Melanie Phillips, Daily Mail, 16 Jan 2012

“Thanks to the huge subsidies by Westminster, the Scots enjoy far more lavishly financed public services than those south of the border including, for example, free prescriptions, free personal care for the elderly and free university degrees. But unlimited public subsidy invariably produces a dependency culture of irresponsibility and infantilism — the assumption of entitlement without obligation.

Scotland is the dependency culture writ large. It can whine about England safe in the certainty that the Westminster cash cow will continue to deliver regardless. The Westminster subsidies also helped create fertile soil for the politics of infantilism in which the Scots specialise — more genteelly styled as Left-wing thinking — whose radical disconnection from reality has been cushioned by the generous largesse of the English and Welsh taxpayer.”

Kelvin MacKenzie, Daily Mail, 19 September 2011

“Apart from public sector strikes, the State doesn’t produce anything. So if Scotland is going to prosper in these austere times, then mass sackings are the only solution. Since Salmond and Co will never do that, we look as though we will have to keep propping them up financially.

I do not want to keep paying. So I suggest we bring those clever folk from Israel who put the wall around their country and get them to do the same for Scotland. Then we can give the Scots independence and perhaps suggest they merge their currency with Greece.

We could call it the Skinto.”

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Andrew Roberts, Daily Mail, May 2008:

“The new Prime Minister frowned as he stared across the Cabinet table at the embarrassed looking Scottish High Commissioner. Had he heard correctly? Was President Salmond really asking that Scotland be re-admitted into the UK, after only 15 years as an independent state?

They had been tumultuous years, of course, and ‘the Tartan Revolt’ had endured its ups and downs – mostly downs.

But was the Scottish Nationalist Party genuinely proposing to abolish itself, admitting the whole experiment had been a disastrous failure?

“I shall have to confer with the Cabinet, of course,” the Prime Minister said.

Barely able to growl “Thank you, Mr Osborne”, with a twist of his kilt the High Commissioner left.

Andrew Roberts, Daily Mail, 14 January 2012:

“Salmond’s defeat in the 2018 elections, and his replacement as Prime Minister of Scotland by Labour’s Wendy Alexander, the former MSP for Paisley North, was perhaps inevitable.

After only four years of independence, in June 2018, Wendy Alexander made a momentous visit to Downing Street, where she was greeted by the new British Prime Minister George Osborne.

‘You’ll know why I’ve come, George,’ said Mrs Alexander once inside. ‘I’m afraid I can’t begin to imagine,’ joked No 10’s new occupant. ‘Do enlighten me.’

‘It seems our forefathers knew more than we guessed when they united our countries for 300 years,’ replied Wendy Alexander somewhat grandiloquently.

‘Scotland would formally like to request re-admittance into the United Kingdom. Let us restore the blue to the Union Jack; let Scottish passports be consigned to the dustbin of history.’

Simon Heffer, Daily Mail, 18 September 2013:

Thus my friendly advice to our Scottish cousins as they contemplate this great constitutional moment is this: vote ‘yes’, for independence. 

It would be the equivalent of turning on a very, very cold shower, and would wake Scotland up to reality.

The truth is that those nationalists who argue that Scottish prosperity is retarded by their ‘English oppressors’ are in living in cloud-cuckoo land. 

Furthermore, I believe that an independent Scotland would soon find itself unequal to the struggle of self-government, because the English money tap would be turned off. Its people would have to work, or starve.

Perhaps after a few years, when they realised what a pup they had been sold by First Minister Alex Salmond and his friends, they would be back with their begging bowls. It might not even take that long.”

Quentin Letts, Daily Mail, 14 May 2011

“For 30 years, under the Treasury’s Barnett Formula (under which of every £1 the Government distributes, 85p goes to England, 10p to Scotland and 5p to Wales), Scots have been treated to largesse by the English.

The exact figures are disputed but the Labour Party calculates that UK subsidies are worth £14 billion a year to Scotland — that’s £2,600 for every person in Scotland. And still the rotten sporran-danglers complain!”

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Of course, it’d be unfair of us to pick on the Mail alone.

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Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, leader of UKIP Scotland

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Simon Heffer, this time in the Daily Telegraph, 23 Jan 2009

“As Scots the world over prepare to celebrate tomorrow their third best poet (after Henrysoun and Dunbar, of course) by eating sheep’s intestines filled with what always seems to be gravel, it is appropriate that there should be stunning new evidence of the vast contribution their little nation continues to make. As recession is declared official, the pound sinks, the stock market totters, banks wobble and misery abounds, let’s salute the Scotsmen who did it.

“The sooner the bunch of Scots who govern us are booted into history the better. Never has the case for English independence from the Scots been so overwhelming. Sadly, I suspect that in the present state of penury England will be saddled with them for another 302 years of high-end welfarism at least.”

Telegraph columnist Milo Yiannopoulos, 26 January 2012

Today, Scotland is more commonly associated with work-shy dole scroungers and skag-addled prostitutes than with the industriousness of Adam Smith or with its glorious pre-Reformation spirituality.

Imagine our city centres free of garrulous Glaswegian drunks slurping dirt-cheap Buckfast tonic wine, or English literary festivals free of those sour, spiky-haired Caledonian lesbians hawking their latest grim thrillers about child abuse. What bliss!

And the same gentleman again in September 2014:

“In polite society, the correct opinion to hold about Scottish independence is that the Union must stay together. But I’ve been wondering: might not England thrive, freed from the yoke of those whining, kilted leeches?

James Hall and Emma Rowley, Daily Telegraph, 30 Aug 2011

The country’s slow growth means that in less than 20 years it will have the same living standards as Korea, Poland and Turkey, which are rapidly catching up with Scotland. The result is that the country will be ‘merely a third world tourist destination’ by 2030.

Harry Mount, Sunday Times, 1 December 2013:

“Aye, we are metric,” said the Ghost. “Wee Alex Salmond didnae like the sound of imperial measures. Reminded him too much of the evil, old empire.”

Surely Salmond wanted to hold on to the pound?

“Aye — but he also wanted all the oil money,” said the Ghost, “and he didnae want any part of the Sassenach £1.2 trillion debt. He couldnae have all three. So he went for the oil, the mingin’ numpty!”

The ever-fragrant Katie Hopkins, 30 November 2013

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Such media coverage, of course, creates the grassroots view:

Bruce Everiss on Scotland, 17 May 2011:

“So now we English have a great opportunity to kick the Scots out of the UK and make our country a better place. Here’s why we should do it:

– The Scots cost us English £14 billion a year because of a financial settlement called the Barnett Formula. This is £2,600 we pay annually to the average Scot. They spend it on things like free prescriptions and free university fees. So the Scots get far more from the state, paid for by us English.

– Scotland is a hotbed of the cancer that is socialism. After the last general election they sent to Westminster 41 Labour MPs, 11 Lib Dems, 6 SNPs and just the one Conservative. Get rid of this lot and the whole complexion of Westminster changes vastly for the better. At the moment the Celtic tail wags the English dog, preventing the English from getting the governments that we vote for.

– Racism. A significant number of Scots are anti English racists, I know, I have lived there. They call us white settlers when we live there. Yet far, far more Scots live in England as economic migrants and they don’t get called white settlers here.

– Braveheart, even Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels would have been proud of this totally fictitious piece of Hollywood propaganda. Yet very many Scots are stupid enough to believe it. But then they get most of their history from the fiction of Sir Walter Scott, so this is nothing new.”

Or how about some “celebrity” input, featuring some of Ms Hopkins’ chums?

The public again:

How about an esteemed historian?

Our Lords, Ladies and betters:

The BBC employ expert analysts:

(These last two the worst YouTube syncs ever, sorry.)

And of course there’s always lots of friendly “comedy” banter:

We could list more examples all day, readers, and you know we could. But let’s stop.

Perhaps instead the Daily Mail could conduct some sort of in-depth investigation into why any Scot would ever come to harbour any ill will towards our friends in the south.

In these straitened times, the editor would doubtless be comforted to know that in the difficult search for the causes and culprits, at least the travel expenses would be low.

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  1. Dave says:

    Don’t turn on us Scottish people if we have a fairer society. Turn on your own tight fisted thieving government officials for forcing your living standards down. It isn’t rocket science people.

  2. scunnered says:

    well thats just put me over the edge
    MATRON,MATRON
    i need my medication fast
    and my smokes

  3. Grouse Beater says:

    A timely reminder that when English elite are forced to think about Scotland they can do it only with a sneer.

  4. HulloHulot says:

    Well, that was a bucket of good cheer

  5. bookie from hell says:

    Murdoch tweets

    London Times will shock Britain and more with reliable new poll on Scottish independence. If right on 18 th vote everything up for grabs

  6. heedtracker says:

    That was great! Rule Britannia Britannia rules the waves. Its hard to imagine this clusterfuck could run a bath let alone their own country, oh wait.

  7. Lesley-Anne says:

    Ah dear dear Melanie Phillips. The font of all knowledge when it comes to all things Scottish and Scottish referendum, erm NOT! 😛

    http://tinyurl.com/nue2xmf

  8. MajorBloodnok says:

    Can’t wait to see what those very same idiots will write about us when we vote YES.

    I’d expect it to reek of schadenfreude but it won’t because that word’s a bit, well, foreign.

  9. Thepnr says:

    Disgusting bigots the lot of them.

    We’ll see who has the last laugh.

  10. heedtracker says:

    “Scotland’s exports oil, whisky, tartan and tramps” Merton, “sometimes all in one glorious package” Hilarious

  11. Minty says:

    The penny has finally dropped with the right wingers on PoliticalBetting.com that this is really happening now. All trying to move their positions but odds on Yes dropping all afternoon at all online bookies. Might try and sneak a bit more on. I’m giving it all to charity when they pay up on 19th.

  12. Al says:

    Anti-English racism….where? Best I pack up the wife and ship her south of the border, for her own sake that is; I’d hate for her to be subjected to this ‘organised and determined’ hate campaign by Nazitionalists and Cyber Nats. Never heard such utter tripe, since Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf stood in Iraq declaring Iraq was free; while allied tanks rolled into Baghdad.

  13. heedtracker says:

    Thing is though, English people hate fackin everyone, especially the French or maybe the Germans and they think Americans are all thick as mince etc So…

  14. JimnArlene says:

    Please excuse the language but, for fucks sake. This is not about Scotland versus England. It’s about Scots, from wherever, governing themselves.

  15. This is a wee gem I found on YES Hawick facebook.

    This is a Hoot.

    http://www.facebook.com/robert.middlemass.1/posts/258143147728948

  16. norse-gael says:

    vicious bully boys whose last remnants of empire are slowly caving in on them. i think its hilarious that they are soon going to get a really nasty taste of their own medicine very shortly.

  17. Juteman says:

    At least stick a public health warning on posts like this.
    Some of us have to watch our blood pressure!

  18. James McIntosh says:

    England’s solution to everything…..don’t look inwards and see the cancer in your midst but blame absolutely everyone else. A wee bit of Sweatie bashing goes a long way to disguise where Westminster and their 3 shades of the same mierda have taken UK.

    Taxi for Scotland and it’s Ok we’ve got the fare.

  19. Andrew Morton says:

    Massive ‘othering’ going on there, ‘we’, ‘us’, ‘them’, ‘they’. It’s as if they thought we weren’t watching.

  20. cadgers says:

    Christ, seeing that all together just shows how many ignorant niaffs are employed in the media industry. Makes you want to grab yer claymore and head for the border.

  21. David Stevenson says:

    Are Johann Lamont and Melanie Philips ever seen together? Given their coincidence of views, I’m thinking one could be the other’s alter ego.

  22. tonymac says:

    O/T SEEN THIS..
    “Scottish referendum: majority of under 60s support independence”
    http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/09/06/scottish-referendum-majority-of-under-60s-support-independence/

    no complacency – soldier on…

  23. wingman 2020 says:

    Heads up folks….

    https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/status/508271651235299328

    Rupert Murdoch says there a shock in the Times tomorrow.

  24. The Rough Bounds says:

    It’s not just us with the London English Establishment. They’re like that with the whole world. Pray to God that we win this referendum, because in their splendid isolation they’ll be properly exposed for what they are: narrow minded bigots.

    The English people will just have to sort their Establishment out for themselves, or else continue to be treated as the social pariahs that their Government and Mass Media have presented them as being to the rest of the planet. I have already told my English friends this.

    As for Wales, well it’s up to you whether you want to stick to them or not. More fool you if you do.

  25. heedtracker says:

    We certainly need to get Douglas Murray out on the hustings a lot more. Douglas and what his face, the one who’s never off the radio oozing out of the speakers like a big endless jobee, Fraser Nelson!

  26. Cuilean says:

    Are there not laws to prosecute those ‘inciting racial hatred’? All of the above are ‘guilty’ of this racial crime. e.g. Would HIGNFY ever broadcast, ‘Why don’t the muslims just bugger off’? Of course not.

  27. Findlay Farquaharson says:

    Always remember ladies and gentlemen, these are the views off the London establishment, not the views of the vast majority of English and Welsh people. Just sayin like.

  28. Joe Ghandi says:

    “And Then you win “

  29. Marcia says:

    James Caithness

    Here is a direct link to another of their videos;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7fDzibjFmo&list=UU_gwsX4TiHO1ktJ1flTUnJg

  30. Lesley-Anne says:

    Absolutely Findlay. We had a couple lovely English women at our stall in Gretna today who were up on a visit and they are both hoping we do this. They wished us all the best of luck and also said they were a wee bit jealous that we were in a position to do something about Westminster.

    We laso had a lovely Welsh couple who were going back to Wales but wanted some *ahem* memorabilia of the referendum. Needless to say we obliged. 😉

  31. And there’s me thinking they loved us and wanted to give us all a big Brit Group Hug! Drat.

    If only they could wake-up to the inherent racism they harbour towards all the Celtic nations, and more besides. They are always asking themselves what is it to be British/English? Well part of the answer lies in all of the above: smug, arrogant, elitist, chauvinistic, and completely ignorant of other cultures.

    Hold the press! Gordan Brown has requested that SEVERAL DAYS of parliamentary time be set aside to debate the devolution of more powers to Holyrood in the event of a No vote.

    Well, that clinches it for me, folks!

  32. John Sm. says:

    Truly horrific, he’s used the wrong fonts and his text isn’t even centered.

  33. Been There says:

    Melanie Phillips:
    “English and Welsh taxpayer.”

    I’ll give her a bit of credit that she recognises there is atleast one other country in the UK besides England and Scotland. But apparently Northern Ireland does not pay tax (or do they also qualify as subsidy junkies, as public spending is the highest in the UK in NI?)…

    Good article. More examples from the DM: http://mailwatch.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=1364

    The Economist has shown unusually poor analysis and one-sided bias in its coverage of the independence debate. Though I think that is becoming more common for the newspaper generally. Their latest article, describing Salmond as “mendacious”: http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21615584-leader-scotlands-unionist-campaign-has-made-strategic-mistake-loneliness-alistair

  34. norse-gael says:

    london establishment types braying away like donkeys heading to the knackers yard.
    we have also got to remember a lot of english people dislike them as much as we do. we have a chance to escape the bastard norman yoke and its offspring, the normal english will eventually get round themselves to getting rid of these norman parasites i suspect with time.

  35. The Man in the Jar says:

    Viscount Monckton always reminds me of “Clockwork Orange” and I’m not meaning the Glasgow subway.

    Also I wonder if any of these people have ever seen an oil rig?

    He who laughs last!

  36. Roboscot says:

    These sort of people don’t have much regard for most of their compatriots e.g working class, single mothers ad nauseum.

  37. The Rough Bounds says:

    No one is saying anything about the average English or Welsh person. It IS up to them however to tackle their establishment and see their cultural chains for what they are. They could stop buying the Mail for a start, and they could also start checking out how other countries actually operate.

    I look forward to the average Englishman and woman defending us Scots.

  38. macart763m says:

    Racists, bigots and hate mongers the lot of them.

    Neither empathy, humanity or common fellow feeling amongst the lot of them. The dregs of the media peddling hatred and social division to manipulate public perception and sell a few more copies.

    Pitiful examples of humanity and frankly we’ll be well shot of them. Then of course there’s the home grown variety…

    … nah, you couldn’t put a fag paper between them.

  39. wingman 2020 says:

    O/T Lamontable snubbed. Story now down off the Scotsman after a direct complaint from Labour Home.

    https://archive.today/oi5Qd

  40. The Man in the Jar says:

    McGlashan. Piiiish! 🙂

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5cUxawA_6w

  41. Findlay Farquaharson says:

    can just see the daily mail headline on the 19th. ” SCOTCH BASTARDS “

  42. Lesley-Anne says:

    I wonder if dear old Gordon Brown understands the meaning of this wee phrase TDP?

    “Too Little, your wasting your time!

    Too Late, we’re all voting YES and will be taking ALL of the powers back from Westminster!” 😛

  43. heedtracker says:

    The Wright Stuff team are pretty ghastly. Richard Madeley is Alan Partridge aha.

  44. fred blogger says:

    WM hates freewill and always has done!

  45. Bob Sinclair says:

    The Daily Mail article to me is incitement.

    I think the Daily Mail needs a Police Scotland slapdown just like the one the Herald got.

  46. Lene says:

    It is so offensive and insulting – But this stuff works a treat!! My partner, who has been adamantly NO NO NO – I WILL NEVER VOTE YES since this all began, declared himself ‘undecided’ last night. He said to me: ‘I may just surprise you when we go to vote’. The other biggie for him is being deliberately deceived about the true nature of the Scottish oil and gas resources in the west by Westminster. He does not appreciate being lied to.

  47. heedtracker says:

    The caller Kirsty to the Right Stuff really brings them all up short though, their own head hanging sneering racism suddenly dawns on them, except ofcourse Mrs Hopkins. To be fair, all of it pours out of ConDems in Scotland all the time.

    Here in Aberdeen its you’re Scotland is too stupid to run an oil industry without us. Thats always an icebreaker in Aberdeen:D

  48. Kenny says:

    Sorry to go O/T, but how would you like to try and get “Son I Voted Yes” by Stanley Odd to number one for the week of the referendum?

    http://www.facebook.com/SIVYNumberOne

  49. liz says:

    The one thing we have to remember it is not about the ordinary English folk who have been very supportive in the main and if they haven’t it’s because they believe the MSM more than we do.

    English for Yes etc, so let’s not target the wrong folk.

    This is about the British establishment and their hangers-on.

    Some Scots are much worse, Brian Wilson, clunking fist Broon, virtually all of the Scots labour Mps and MSPs.

    So let’s be supportive of our English friends.

  50. TJenny says:

    Finday Farquaharson:

    ‘can just see the daily mail headline on the 19th. ” SCOTCH BASTARDS “’

    How about

    Scot Free

    UK Scotched

    Scotland The Brave

    😉

  51. heedtracker says:

    http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2013/02/03/is-it-cos-wur-scots/ I used to have this on the wall behind me at work but my YES vote boss asked me to take it down as it was really pissing her off.

  52. seanair says:

    James Caithness
    We’ll done YES Hawick, or did they get it from somewhere else.? Either way it should be passed around.

  53. heedtracker says:

    As Bella says

    “But why should we expect anything less when Salmond has already been compared by Unionist politicians and the media to Hitler, Mussolini, Milosevic, Stalin, Mugabe, Kim Jong-Il, Caligula, Nero and Ceausescu?”

  54. Joe says:

    Have they even thought about their economy ,its gonna plummet like a skydiving piano without a parachute, once we have independence and all that lovely oil and gas thats off our shores , what natural resources have they got to back up the rUK economy, especially since crash Gordon gave away the gold. There is always fracking, through the heart of England that will be fun to watch from the sidelines. I stopped watching hignfy a long time back because of the anti Scottish views expressed on it, especially by Ray Winstone.

  55. Famous15 says:

    On the 19th I cannot wait to thank these people because they made our independence possible.
    I can do modesty,I can do magnanimity but what I will not do is any sort of revenge or spite.My independence would be diminished if I harboured any such thoughts.

    To say “rejoice” would be the best answer to the misery of Thatcher and her policies.

  56. Cindie says:

    Those items are disgusting. These people no more speak for the English or the Welsh than the Orange Order speak for Scotland. Sadly they have been given the opportunity to spread their xenophobic hate. Thnks Stu, this is a good page to have handy the next time one of these right wing nutters starts on about Scots being anti-English. Makes my blood boil!

  57. @ Marcia

    I luv ya, cheers for that link I never knew about thaty. I love it.

  58. HandandShrimp says:

    One forgets how many swivel eyed loons work for the Mail.

  59. Rockysboy says:

    Wingman , I hope your right.
    I’ve been waiting for a red top to do it.

  60. Ananurhing says:

    Oh man! I feel so love bombed I could cry.

    Listen. I’ve noticed a few people getting proprietorial and bristling at new posters on here the last couple of days. Could we please be on our guard about this?

    I know for a fact the WBB is bringing new readers to Wings every day, and we don’t want to undo all the hard work of getting them here.

    12 sleeps to go. Maybe 11.

  61. Croompenstein says:

    Of the English folk I work with I have a good relationship with them and that will continue after independence, some of them don’t mention it at all it’s the elephant in the room. But one guy has a laugh about it with me he emailed me last week about getting stuff from a company down south which he referred to as ‘soon to be known as civilisation’ Oh good I said you have conceded the referendum so after indy we can still get the stuff from down south ‘soon to be the 4th Reich when Nige and the boys get in’ 🙂

  62. R-type Grunt says:

    Ronnie Anyone – don’t bother coming back.

  63. Democracy Reborn says:

    Feel the love from our co-equal partners in the Union!…

    TBH, this kind of drivel from English politicians, media commentators & the Establishment elite goes right over my head. However, the views expressed are also fairly widespread amongst ordinary English voters. Just take a cursory look any day of the week at CiF in the Guardian. It is simply taken as read that we are too wee, too poor/subsidy junkies. Again, I really don’t have much of a problem with that, the masses down south are only repeating the myths which are propagated in the MSM. What I do find despicable though are Scottish politicians who deliberately spout the same subsidy junky lies against their own people.

  64. piggy says:

    Read, watch and listen carefully as they anxiously spend the next few weeks in turmoil.

    They haven’t any debate left to call upon. It’s been heard and truthfully disposed.

    In their anger and as they sense the scale of their demise, it is likely that they will turn on those who move forward and leave them behind. It happens regularly in school playgrounds during playtime, and I remember it vividly as the happy group just move away to start a new game, only to be called names and sometimes threatened by those they leave behind.

    There is simply no where for them to go or hide now, and they cannot accept that their deceit, hatred and intolerance is found hideous by others. They are in a helpless state.

  65. seoc says:

    It’s beginning to look as though the southern democratic state actually do believe that they own us. Some kind of slave/ plantation owner mentality.

  66. jamie macdonald says:

    Jeez-o! they are a tough read, – I suggest postcards be made using those comments… We can post them to said publications and journalists from our future hols!

  67. Thats the demons from the darkside’s intentions when they get their politicians and media to write inflammatory and racist rubbish, they are trying to divide the good side. But we are not going to let them we are united, we are comrades, we are family we are countrymen and women. WE ARE ONE..

  68. R-type Grunt says:

    I hate auto-correct!

    Ancona.

  69. Dcanmore says:

    I had a serious question put to me by a colleague (an English person in a London office) yesterday, she said: ‘What will happen to all the English people in Scotland after independence?’

    Seriously, this is the sort of questions I get because of the ludicrous bullshit the newspapers spew out down here.

  70. heedtracker says:

    Murdoch tweets a nice sales pitch for his Sunday Times tomorrow but he’s using democracy in ways that only this teamGB Westminster farce lets him. Who’s he really coming after?

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/07/nigel-farage-talks-rupert-murdoch-ukip

  71. msean says:

    Well,don’t get mad,get even,vote yes. How is it that so many Scots can miss this stuff? It’s all over the place,almost impossible not to notice it. All that is shown above is classic toys out the pram stuff. I console myself with the impending yes vote.

    If you ever wondered what it would be like to live in a country that wakes up to realise it isn’t an oil producer, carries £1.5 trillion in debt,and has a financial sector living off them like the brain slugs in Futurama,then move to RUK on 19th September. Prime Minister Osbourne 🙂 .

  72. Drunken Hobo says:

    But we deserve it. We’re a tiny worthless region of North Britain with no resources & a population whose stupidity is only matched by their ugliness.

    Oh god, I hate being Scottish, every second of it is a burden. I cannot stop cringing.

  73. BigRik says:

    I am not anti English.. like most folk i have family (an aunt) down south… but i am anti Westminster , very different things. These writers , on the other hand ARE anti Scots , not just Holyrood , if they were only online , and not in a newspaper , we would call them Trolls. Personally , i see no difference.

  74. Tabbycat says:

    That Daily Mail article is just vile. Have complained about it though…

  75. Chris G says:

    The forces of evil South of the border would just LOVE it if they could prove this whole thing is driven by anti English racism, but how utterly ridiculous is that? I’m a 1/4 English by blood, but 100% Scottish as well (lol I know that sounds a bit like the footballers 110% effort gaffe, but its actually true). There must be hundreds of thousands of proud Scots who also have some form of roots or family connection to the English nation, tnh its more likely to be in the millions. Even some of the knuckle draggers who really are racist that way may be a wee bitty English too, lol. So why would we pour hate on our own? Only the most small minded morons would do that. Which is precisely why the no camp is fairing so badly despite all the establishments backing. The real moronic racists are the ones who are already so butthurt about us maybe leaving UK that they insist the reason for it is one of the very few motives they truly understand. Institutionalised racism is a very very BRITISH tool. Oops was there an Ironic hypocrisy there? Must be cos I’m British atm, all better after the 18th lol. YES YES YES!

  76. Cag-does-thinking says:

    Indeed this little compilation is the kind of thing we should keep compiling everytime another “Nazi” jibe comes our way we can point that we’ve heard worse. Puts all that “lovebombing” in perspective and really puts a spotlight on how freedom of the press has been twisted into the opportunity for unfettered racism and hatred, perhaps the main reason for the decline in newspaper sales is their desperate intention to have us all hate each other. The same people then telling us that we will need to be reconciled as a country is beyond ironic.

  77. Tom Foyle says:

    If the English are so upset by the use of heroin by Scots, the solution is really quite simple. Stop sending Englishmen up here to sell it.
    In the event of a no vote, however, I’m going to scrounge some money from the nearest English person, find a smack dealer – not difficult, he’ll have a scouse accent – and buy enough skag for an O/D. Because Scotland would very rapidly become a dreadful place in which to live. And, given the alternatives, I’d prefer somewhere much more pleasant – a graveyard, for instance.

  78. Croompenstein says:

    OT – I watched the main news on BBC and ITV but nothing, nada no mention, put it on the internet for balance…

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29094093

  79. tartanfever says:

    Here’s some handy advice from the BBC for kids on racism and what to do about it:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/advice/factfile_az/racism

    ‘If someone discriminates against you because of your race, the colour of your skin or where you’re from, that’s racism. And racism is a crime.’

    so to discriminate against you because of where you are from is a crime.

  80. Kirsten says:

    I find the comment about England and Wales supporting Scotland a bit rich (pardon the pun) considering the figures produced by the IFC show quite clearly that only London & the SE England match the tax revenues of Scotland (before we consider North sea gas & oil), whilst Wales, NI and the rest of England pay around 25% less in tax revenues. Without Scotland’s taxes, London will struggle to continue to subsidise Wales and NI and of course the rest of England.

  81. heedtracker says:

    C4 news there had huge march against NHS privatisation from North of England to London but J K Rowling’s doctor husband says its all scaremongering, or rather J K Rowling is using her husband in her BetterTogether campaigning. Someones bullshitting fiction here. Why would all these people march all the way to London just to scaremonger.

  82. Croompenstein says:

    The awl Baroness and her ilk cannae get it through their heids. Blair, Brown, Campbell, Darling et al are NOT Scottish they are British and that my dear old Baroness is the difference.

  83. Stephen Armstrong says:

    What we are witnessing is a Scottish Revolution.
    Take comfort in the fact that the end of Britain is upon us!

  84. tartanfever says:

    Have a look at the Equalities and Human Rights Commission website, you won’t believe the example they have up there to illustrate direct racial discrimination (clue – it includes BBC Scotland, Rugby and an English presenter)

    http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/your-rights/equal-rights/race/what-is-race-discrimination/what-forms-does-racial-discrimination-take

  85. Dr JM Mackintosh says:

    I am very proud of my fellow Scots who, in spite of dreadful slurs and provocation from the English and “Scotbut” press, have not abused English people in any way.

    It is truly an amazing fact that we may hopefully win our independence with only the egg stain on Murphy’s shirt as the only example of ill will to anyone from the Yes campaign.

    I am proud of you all.

  86. Minty says:

    Twitter heating up with poll rumours. Scottish Daily Mail claiming its a Yes lead.

  87. Dr Jim says:

    My mother was an englishwoman from the midlands, Wolverhampton actually,strangely i never knew this until i went to school when the new kids i met all said i was a foreigner , because in my street all the other kids who knew me did’nt care , because we were all growing up together from birth ,as i was born here, ‘BUT’ here’s the thing, as i grew and learned more about my maternal side of the family, and visited many times ‘Down There’ as my Edinburgh father used to refer to England, i realised it’s not their fault they do’nt understand anything,the diet of Crap the Scots are fed by the English is the same Crap they are fed in reverse , Although one has to say unfortunately, they seem incapable of any further advancement in the brain department,and so . to sum up ,
    they are a nation of arrogant morons born out of their own F…..g stupidity….

  88. NODROG says:

    Why did only 2 of 8 SNP MPs turn up for the Bedroom Tax vote? It is of no consequence that it may have been a foregone conclusion. They should have registered their opposition. In my opinion we have lost a lot of votes as a result of their actions. I can only hope that their explanation is that the YES vote in Scotland is more important than opposing the Bedroom Tax in Westminster, presumably why they were not there. Unfortunately I think they have let us down badly. However I have been around since Winnie’s success in Hamilton where I was born. So I say to them make up for your mistake and redouble your efforts to achieve a YES. At 73 years old I want to see a free Scotland do not let me down. The future looks fantastic if we are free and independent.

  89. Lesley-Anne says:

    Sorry for going O/T folks but this photo is doing the rounds over on Twitter. I’m sure someone, somewhere knows who this *ahem* DWP worker is that is threatening YES supporting unemployed people.

    https://twitter.com/moaningmeg/status/508279100331802624/photo/1

  90. heedtracker says:

    I have a lot of English in laws and friends and it’s great fun baiting them after the 18th they will be Scottish and we’re NOT letting them go either.

  91. piggy says:

    Cindie says:
    6 September, 2014 at 6:24 pm
    “Those items are disgusting. These people no more speak for the English or the Welsh than the Orange Order speak for Scotland”.

    Good point Cindie.

  92. Croompenstein says:

    Was driving to my Dad’s today wee single track country road and got stuck behind one of the local farmers and his cows. The guy bringing up the rear was behind me on his quad bike when he overtook me on the verge and bawled at me ‘what the fuck is that on your car? I am voting No you idiot’. He was referring to my yes stickers, saltires and bairns not bombs sticker. I calmly replied that it was his democratic right to vote No and mine to vote yes but if he called me an idiot again his face would soon be getting intimate with one of his cows arses

  93. Flower of Scotland says:

    This makes me really pist off! However! I’m always moaning about the negativity of Strathmiglo in Fife! Remember? I’ve been on holiday for a week to Italy and on my return, when I was leafleting the village about a fab meeting nearby……. Low and behold! Big YES signs in the High Street!! Absolutely thrilled to bits! YES! YES! YES! Lots of Yessers!

    Things are changing! Not short of volunteers now!

  94. Dr Jim says:

    forgot to mention ,i just can’t tolerate intolerance
    other than that I can’t contain my total indifference…

  95. James Westland says:

    Flower of Scotland

    I used to live in Strathmiglo – seemed to be full of Lib Dem and Tory types at the time (91 -96) . Good to hear about the Yes signs!

  96. Clootie says:

    It is really sad that they attempt to play this card.

    It is even worse that the government and opposition not only condone it but encourage it.

    What it does reveal is that the union has never been about nations working together. It is about power, control and asset stripping (including people).

    How do they expect a union to be sustained when one partner is prepared to sink to this level of invention to win a vote. In “winning” a NO vote what chance do they see for future goodwill and acceptance.

    We will be held in contempt and denied any future referendum. That is the future I see based on this attack.

  97. kendomacaroonbar says:

    They do this kind of shit because they can get away with it.

  98. Clootie says:

    NODROG says:
    6 September, 2014 at 7:15 pm

    I heard (not confirmed) that the vote was brought forward and closed early PLUS a flight was delayed with SNP MP’s onboard.

    I’m sure more details will emerge but at best it sounds like an opportunistic move but probably dirty tricks.

  99. Lesley-Anne says:

    That’s what it sounds like to me Clootie. I read Pete Wishart tweeted last night that Mike Weir was prohibited from speaking at the debate. No doubt this was an attempt to call the vote early and screw the SNP members still trying to get down to London.

  100. ronnie anderson says:

    Campaining in Airdrie today a old couple of NO votes having had a pep talk with the No campainers came to noise us up( No bite ) as they walked away they told a English couple they were passing to fuck of back to England & there promoting better together.Neadless to say they visited Yes /Wings gizebo to get a warm welcome & window signs/bumper stickers/& the all important WEE BLUE BOOKS.We’re winning hands down Lads n Lasses. Partician might be persuaded to tell you’s the next instalment of Hama Time if he’s asked nicely. Lol

  101. Croompenstein says:

    @NODROG – Really no point in any of the SNP MP’s voting on it nodrog as the Scottish Govt have already mitigated the bedroom tax in Scotland. It means cutting back on other areas but it’s been done so if the SNP MP’s are up in Scotland campaigning there really was no point in them going back to wastemonster at public expense to vote in something that has no relevance to Scotland. Also when we become independent I would imagine that all parties will include abolition of the bedroom tax in their manifestos.

  102. And we could produce an equally long list of attacks on Wales and the Welsh. Jeremy Clarkson and Anne Robinson would be high on the list. Yet the moment one of us says something about them it’s racist.

    I predict not just a YES vote but a strong YES vote. Tens of millions of clueless people in England are going to wake up wondering why you lot are so ungrateful.

    And then I really hope they decide to take their anger out on us because that is the only way that we will wake up.

  103. Croompenstein says:

    @Clootie and LA – sorry folks I wasn’t aware there was skullduggery at work just thought there was no point in them voting as it doesn’t really affect Scotland

  104. Grouse Beater says:

    Nodrog: Why did only 2 of 8 SNP MPs turn up for the Bedroom Tax vote?

    I have no information on numbers. The issue was explained in detail by Nicola Sturgeon in a recent television panel programme – good political reasons, but even so, a handful of SNP MPs would make no difference to the outcome.

    That said, our government has used £50 million from its meagre budget to remove hardship for anyone affected in Scotland.

  105. john king says:

    TMitJ says
    “Viscount Monckton always reminds me of “Clockwork Orange” and I’m not meaning the Glasgow subway.”

    “VISCOUNT”? the HOL have warned him not to cross their threshold or they will have him ejected,

    The only person to recognize his title is he himself,

    All I see when I look at him is this
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxxSIX3fmmo

  106. Lesley-Anne says:

    Guys I think there are only SIX SNP M.P.’s but what the hell they’re on our side and fighting to get out of Westminster. 😛

    Any one who is worried or concerned about how our SCOTTISH currency might be received overseas then how about this from a currency exchange in Hong Kong. 😉

    https://twitter.com/YesInSeptember/status/508306641717321729/photo/1

  107. ronnie anderson says:

    O/T On a more somber note having spoken to Paul (Wee Ginger Dug )Andy will be cremated at Daldowie Crematoriam Glasgow on Sat 13th Sept at 12 noon.Paul has requested no flowers be sent,but Donations may be made to Maryhill Foodbank in memory of Andrew Cavanah Mosson.Paul also wishes to thank Wings Over Scotland & its contributors for all the support shown to him on this sad accasion.

    R.I.P. ANDY.

  108. muttley79 says:

    The MSM/No campaign do not really change. They have been using the same tactics against independence for decades, oil is running out, Shetland wanting independence, it is anti-English, currency etc. Same old stuff has been recycled over and over again. I see J.K Rowling has just destroyed her own credibility by saying that the NHS in Scotland is at risk is just scaremongering by Yes, when there is a massive march against the privatisation of the NHS in England on the same day! Dearie me…

    What I cannot really understand is why so many people in Scotland just seem to ignore all of the abuse of Scotland from the MSM? Why do they put up with it? Is it because they are ashamed of Scotland, do they not really regard it as a nation, or have they just got used to it? Either way it is surreal.

  109. @NODROG

    Numbers wrong way round only two were missing one of whom was held up at an airport and the vote was called early.

  110. Luke Stirling says:

    Hahahaha! An old comment of mine is in the side of the picture there! I’m a pure celeb now!

  111. alex livingstone says:

    The Internet is full of Rumours,I dont listen to Rumours dont think it was one of Fleetwood Macs best.I will fetch my jacket

  112. Lesley-Anne says:

    Thanks for that Ronnie. I’ll speak to my partner and see what we do.

    Our thoughts are with Paul at this time but we know that Andy is up there looking down on all of us with a huge grin on his face because he knows that we are on the verge of making history. The last time history like this was made in Scotland Robert the Bruce and William Wallace were riding around Scotland. 😛

  113. bookie from hell says:

    melennie Philips getting my 1st tweet sept 19th

    ( : >. )

  114. Findlay Farquaharson says:

    I cant help visualing an extremely frustrated hate filled Jaws Galloway champing at the bit to lead the despicable miserable no campaign as a self deluded messiah. They must have wired his jaw real tight as we havent heard a peep from him in a week. His nasty rhetoric belongs in the gutter.

  115. Lesley-Anne says:

    I’m thinking that she might be getting quite a few Bookie, around about 3 a.m. which about when I think we should have the result in that pushes YES over the 50% +1 stage. 😛

  116. ronnie anderson says:

    @Lesley Anne 7.16 its ok Lesley she’s been identifyed,she treatened a RIC supporter 2 weeks ago in Airdrie by ( if you knew what kind of job I did ,you would’nt be talking to me like that ) she also called the woman a DWP scrounger,btw she’works in another gov agency not DWP.

  117. Luigi says:

    and then they come to fight you

    BT are staring into the jaws of defeat. They are cornered and at their most dangerous.

    Be careful, folks, just walk away from any potential trouble and focus on the prize.

  118. Iain Gray's Subway Lament says:

    The only danger from any forthcoming polls is complacency. That must not and will not happen. This has to be won in the streets and on the doorsteps. So why the fuck would we ease up now that the tide is so comprehensively with us and the end is in sight?

    Keep pushing, HARD.

    Every vote counts an every show of support and piece of campaigning will make a better scotland for all of us that much more certain.

  119. Lesley-Anne says:

    WOW!

    Thanks for that Ronnie. So not only does she go around threatening law abiding citizens but she LIES to them about who she works for as well. Hmm, now where have I heard about people LYING before … 😛

  120. john king says:

    Drunken Hobo says
    “Oh god, I hate being Scottish, every second of it is a burden. I cannot stop cringing.”

    And your a drunk and your a homeless hobo, and those clowns couldn’t aren’t fit to lace you shoes!

  121. Croompenstein says:

    @Findlay – Lord Naw Naw is due in the Magnum Theatre, Irvine tomorrow night, rancid local MP Donohoe is trumpeting this event, funnily enough it is free entry but I would have expected awl Naw Naw the cat in a hot tin suit and Donohoe to pay folk to go

  122. Andy-B says:

    Boy are they in for one big shock south of the border, when Scotland becomes independent, London and the south east will survive, but funds to anywhere else will be sparse, as London protects itself, after the North sea trough is cut off.

  123. NODROG says:

    Thanks for the corrections apologies if I got the numbers wrong and if there were extenuating circumstances for No Shows. But we must not give the Anti Independence media any excuse to down grade us at this exceptionally important time in our history. I have waited too long to miss this opportunity – please forgive my mistakes.

  124. Croompenstein says:

    @Ian Gray SL – The only danger from any forthcoming polls is complacency

    What like this you mean……

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROKXlvYMKQc

  125. John H. says:

    They use the language of propaganda.The sort of language they have always used against their enemies.Is that how they see us,as their enemy?

    Are they at heart afraid of us?Afraid of us finishing the union,and destroying their remaining delusions of empire.After a Yes vote on September 18th, they will be forced to face reality.To see themselves as they are.A small deeply indebted country on the edge of Europe.

    The truth will be painful..What to do,Who is left to blame?

  126. Lesley-Anne says:

    That’s complacency Labour style Croomp. We don’t do complacency, we just walk taller, walk with a lighter touch on the ground and have one humongous smile from ear to ear across our face! 😛

  127. Croompenstein says:

    @John H – To see themselves as they are.A small deeply indebted country on the edge of Europe

    Or more succinctly… a minor entity to the south of Scotland 😀

  128. James Dow A voice from the diaspora says:

    Ref, Kevin MacKenzie Daily Mail. Suggesting we get the clever people of Israel to build a wall around Scotland. Can anyone tell me the projected completion date for the roofing off Israel’s wall’s?

  129. Lesley-Anne says:

    Might be some time Hames, I believe the roofers in question are STILL working on Tory Rory’s *ahem* cairn at Gretna. 😛

  130. Iain Gray's Subway Lament says:

    @Croompenstein

    Miliband is less popular in scotland than Cameron. So Kinnock was actually the ‘glory’ days of scottish labour in comparison to him. 😉

    This is the most important period there is for campaigning. It is vital that we keep throwing everything we have at persuading undecideds and unhappy labour voters. The more they see the groundswell for the Yes campaign the more inclined they will be to cast aside their fears and choose a better future.

    This isn’t about the westminster media or polls. It’s about family, friends and work colleagues in scotland all having contact with a Yes campaign they can see is optimistic, positive, listening to them and determined to make a better scotland for everyone.

  131. Tam Jardine says:

    Croompenstein

  132. The Rough Bounds says:

    Spelling has begun to deteriorate again, so here goes:

    Your: as in ‘Is that your dog?’
    You’re: as in ‘You are.’
    Their: as in ‘It’s their dog.’
    There: as in ‘It’s over there.’
    They’re: as in ‘They are.’

    We may not be English, but that’s no excuse not to spell the English language correctly.

  133. John H. says:

    @Croompenstein – Nice one. 🙂

  134. Croompenstein says:

    I may be talking pish but I have never seen so many Scottish folk on UK quiz shows in the last 3 or 4 months as has been in the last 3 or 4 years.. ok tin foil hat on and sit in the corner

  135. john king says:

    Croompenstein says
    “@Ian Gray SL – The only danger from any forthcoming polls is complacency

    What like this you mean……”

    No croompy I think he was thinking more like this
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXl1GkWWGmA

  136. alanfrompaisley says:

    Rumours say latest yougov poll is

    Yes 47%, No 46%, DK 7%

    Yes 51% No 49% excluding DKs

  137. Lesley-Anne says:

    I wonder if we can quantify the number of YES voters we’ll get per Labour M.P. Are we talking 10’s, 100’s, 1,000’s or dare I suggest 10,000’s? 😛

  138. Tam Jardine says:

    Croompenstein

    ‘what the fuck is that on your car? I am voting No you idiot’.

    If that douche disnae ken what a Yes car sticker means by now, he needs to have a word wi himsel! And any farmer voting no should be issued immediately with plastic cutlery. Lowest farm subsidies in Europe?,anyone?

    Flower of Scotland

    I had a similar experience today – wandering up Leith Walk after work to have a quick couple if pints I saw at least 10 yes badges in the space of 45 minutes. 10 (ten). Excluding my own.

    The Yes mission statement of ‘Can – Should – Must’ needs one word added: ‘Will’

    As for the racist rantings of the assorted nematodes of the press, they can all go to hell. I wouldnae piss on those divs if they were on fire.

  139. Croompenstein says:

    LOL johnking here is the typical no voter nawbag medically explained…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws9QxOMfmwI

  140. kininvie says:

    O/T

    If anyone here ever interacted with Annie (@daftquine) on Twitter, Ian Smart has tweeted that she has passed away.

    She was a passionate and convinced opponent of Yes and not immune to deliberate misinterpretation, but so what? We have lost a voice that cared – and we are the less for it.

  141. Jim says:

    They talk about anti-English problems in Scotland and then you get this utter hatred of Scots, what else can you call it? This is from people who are in the public eye yet see nothing wrong in sneering about us Scots as if we are the scum of the earth, hell mend them!

  142. Lesley-Anne says:

    I’ve just heard over on Twitter that the German supporters will have an encouraging banner in support of YES at the game tomorrow night. Now if they could find a way of also NOT beating us tomorrow night then that would make an absolutely fantastic weekend complete. 😛

  143. Joe says:

    With rumours from the times of a shock poll result , is the Times/Sun empire about to change direction and jump on the winning side , they have previous , looking forward to a msm willing to tell the truth, independence is coming 🙂

  144. Clare G says:

    As an English woman living in Scotland I am completely embarrassed by the ignorance evident in some of the comments made by other English people. The complete bias of the media appears to contrive to create this division (along with the fear tactics of the BT campaign), which I suspect may backfire on Westminster when there is a yes vote and the negotiations with Scotland begin. In 10 years of living here I have never experienced any anti English sentiment or comments, and I wanted to write a comment on the Daily Mail site to say so; amazingly no comments were allowed! I am voting YES because it is the best thing for Scotland and the people living and working here – and happy to be one of them.

  145. Jim says:

    @Iain Gray’s Subway Lament
    Miliband is less popular in scotland than Cameron.
    _____
    Correction, Miliband is less popular in Scotland than a fiery after curry dose of the shits.

  146. Marcia says:

    kininvie

    Sorry to read that.

  147. Chris Baxter says:

    Every English person I know and have spoken to about the issue (which is a lot since I live in London) thinks that Scotland sponges off of England and that Scots hate England and the English.

    They see nothing ironic in their opinion.

  148. alanfrompaisley says:

    Paddy power and Bet 365 have cuts odds for YES vote to 2/1

  149. Mealer says:

    I was out delivering some Wee Blue Books today.A good tactic is to knock on the doors of houses with a Yes sign up.Say “hello.Im campaigning for a Yes Vote and I need your help”.Give them a WWB and ask them to give it to a No.The response was tremendous.There are a lot of Yessers out there who are ready and willing to do a wee bit for the cause if we just ask them.Lets get as many people involved as we can.I reckon these books have most effect if you get it from someone you know and trust.Youre much more likely to read it.And it gives loads of Yessers an opening to talk to undecided friends they know.I gave a lot to undecideds as well,but I really think we should rope in these open Yessers to help a bit more.Some of them,in fact nearly all of them,just beam when you ask them for their help in our cause.

  150. JWil says:

    A wise scot holidaying abroad would always have the Ecosse sign on his car as he would not want to disadvantage himself by being mistaken for an English person.

  151. Lesley-Anne says:

    I wonder if these idiots Dan Suff can actually read, write and speak English Muttley. I mean what part of Too little Too late do these Muppets NOT understand? 😉

    If they are now going to try and bribe us with gawd knows what why did they not try it way back in the beginning, cause at least then folks knew what to expect in a NO vote. ANYTHING that comes out of Westminster between now and the 18th will be seen exactly as what it is … BLIND PANIC! We all know that when WM does Blind Panic nothing ever comes out of it.

    So it’s a good bye from me and it’s a good bye from my 5.3 million fellow countrymen! 😛

  152. Jim says:

    @Chris Baxter
    Well, when they are spoon fed that bullshit fro man early age.

  153. Iain Gray's Subway Lament says:

    @muttely79

    All three unionist parties fiercely opposed having DevoMax on the ballot.

    Doesn’t matter how they try to spin any new promises of jam tomorrow or try to pretend they are listening now. It’s far too late for that. They made their voice crystal clear when it came to actually giving scotland meaningful powers like DevoMax they all opposed it.

    Scots simply won’t believe this 11th hour conversion just as things are looking so terrible for the No campaign. They simply do not trust the westminster parties and scots will see this as the desperate last minute con-trick it so clearly is.

  154. muttley79 says:
    6 September, 2014 at 8:49 pm
    New article on the Guardian:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/06/scots-radical-new-deal-save-the-union?commentpage=1

    Thoughts?

    Having read part of it it says after 18th sept and before the GE 2015. If people are taken in by this and vote no they would be stupid. If it was a no vote nothing would be offered.

    Stay strong and true. YES YES YES

  155. fred blogger says:

    “The people of Scotland will be offered the chance to devise a federal future for their own country before next year’s general election under radical plans aimed at derailing the surge towards full-blown independence.”
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/06/scots-radical-new-deal-save-the-union?CMP=twt_gu
    that’s a few more yes votes in the bag then, they really don’t get it!
    why on earth would we want 2nd best now, when we can have it all?

  156. Croompenstein says:

    @LA – Wee Eibar in the Spanish Primera Liga unfurl their Scotland The Brave banner at their games, great to see the cameras try to avoid it…

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bv1pFT4CEAAb9jF.jpg:large

  157. Iain Gray's Subway Lament says:

    @Mealer

    Superb and incredibly astute tactic. My congratulations to you. With the Yes signs now popping up all over the place with ever more frequency it’s one I shall see if I can persuade a good few other friends in the Yes campaign to employ as well.

  158. galamcennalath says:

    @muttley79

    “Scots to be offered radical new deal in bid to save the union”

    They may be serious, but in the light of all the promises already unveiled over the months, it will be seen as more ‘jam’ in the never never. Too late! They should have done all that a year and had a guaranteed offer six months ago.

  159. kendomacaroonbar says:

    @Kininvie

    I’m fair vexed to read that. Too many, too soon.

  160. HandandShrimp says:

    Clare

    To be fair I think most Scots are aware that the individuals above are not adverse to turning on the English working classes too. They represent a rather peculiar throwback to an age when people knew who their “betters” were. They don’t represent most ordinary people and hopefully never will.

  161. john king says:

    SHIT MEET FAN

  162. CM says:

    Neill @Indy_Nelly 2m

    Hearing latest Sun/Times/Yougov poll has Yes 47%, No 46%, DK 7% = Yes 51% No 49% excluding DKs. This is happening… #indyref

  163. Lesley-Anne says:

    Brilliant photo Croomp. 😀

    I wondered what the noise was John, thanks for confirming. 😛

  164. Cath says:

    ” These people no more speak for the English or the Welsh than the Orange Order speak for Scotland. ”

    Agree totally. I’m half English, live there for a while, and spend a lot of time in Liverpool. None of my English friends are remotely like these idiots. They’re not all brilliantly informed about Scotland, but that’s because their media winds them up with rubbish like this.

    The UK media really is a divisive, nasty, xenophobic (even if they just think you MIGHT become foreign) negative load of drivel and propaganda.

  165. Croompenstein says:

    @fred blogger – Nice one fred ha ha the scitter has finally breeched the pants.. well too late John Bull oor Hamish has you on the outside.. 😀

  166. Joe says:

    Having read the proposal, with all 3 major wm partys agreeing to take part , I’m sure Alec and Nicola will be cancelling the referendum on hearing this news , hahahaha. Independence is near and they know it , panic stations in wm.

  167. SquareHaggis says:

    VOLUNTEERS REQIRED!

    Rory the tory is holding a special “Rain-Dance across the Border” – September 18th, 7am to 10pm.

    Don’t be left out wishing you’d brought your brolly 😀

  168. liz says:

    @Clare G – we know not all English folk are like that – there are nutters everywhere.

    These people live in the London media bubble and that Katie whatsherface just likes the sound of her own ignorance.

  169. Taysideterrier says:

    Looks like i might be eating my hat later if these roomers of this poll are correct!

    I never thought they would publish any with yes in the lead as during the Quebec indyref the can$ lost 1.5%.

    Still no room for complacency…..keep up the good work. Off to find my hat

  170. ben madigan says:

    O/T – just thought readers would like to have a look at a couple of SNP leaflets from the 1980s.

    https://irishelectionliterature.wordpress.com/2014/09/04/two-1980s-leaflets-from-the-snp/#comment-12567

    Same themes – Oil and Nuclear weapons,
    Same problems –
    Put an end to them.
    Vote YES

  171. alex livingstone says:

    If the rumours are true coming from You Gov that is some swing to the Yes campaign.They will be ordering extra strong nappies in Westminster.

  172. Sinky says:

    The Daily Mail supported the Nazis in the 1930s and has had 27 press complaints in 2014 the most by the way followed by the labour supporting Daily Mirror with 9. The much maligned Sun had six complaints in 2014. As for the Daily Express owned by pornographer and Daily Telegragh owned by the tax avoiding Barclay brothers. these are the principal anti Scottish independence newspapers.

    But lets not facts get in the way of Labour’s world of make believe.

  173. Harry McAye says:

    Anyone know why there’s been two yougov sun/times polls back to back? I also heard this one had questions that were a lot more negative towards independence than the one last week. Makes the result all the better, if rumours are true of course.

  174. alistair says:

    O/T was in Aviemore today and congrats to the local Yes team. Every lamppost right through town has Yes Sign on it ! Plenty No’s as well but still impressive. Has anywhere else done this ?
    When driving down A9 amazed at how many Yes signs I saw. Handful of NoThanks in usual farmers fields but not too many. Some commercial building at Perth Broxden roundabout has huge display of Yes signs as well.

  175. john king says:

    Driving round West Lothian today in the freedom convoy we saw both yes supporters and no voters and after a while, travelling round different villages and towns the wife said the looks on the no voters faces was not the indignant dissaproval we have all experienced but a look of resignation,

    We are winning guys,
    WE’RE WINNING!

  176. Nana Smith says:

    Tweet from
    Nicola Sturgeon @NicolaSturgeon · 15m

    BREAKING: @SkyNews has just reported that tomorrow’s Yougov poll in Sunday Times puts #Yes narrowly ahead

  177. Jamie Arriere says:

    When you have that ranting rubbish in one ear and the gauche lovebombing in the other, I’m tempted to just put the two phones together on the table and let them listen to themselves, go out for a long walk or listen to a good tune.

    A Yes vote can let me close the door politely on both.

  178. Croompenstein says:

    They are going to offer us the stars to keep control of oil revenues and Trident on the Clyde well anyone who can’t see through these duplicitous self serving bastards is wired to the moon

  179. macart763m says:

    @Lesley-Anne

    Hope you re-stocked the mini bar when you left the darkened room. It was carnage in there after last time. 🙂

    Almost home LA. We just need to stay calm and focussed.

    We can do this. 🙂

  180. Minty says:

    51% seems to be confirmed for the YouGov on Twitter. Possibly a Panelbase out later as well.

  181. Craig P says:

    Unfortunately for the Daily Mail the social union is still too strong for many folk to take them seriously and I doubt they will manage to rouse more than the usual knuckle draggers – still I don’t envy the Rev sifting through the cesspit of ‘Britain’s’ MSM commentary.

  182. callum says:

    O/T wss at the Ayr air show today. After the dreadful armed forces day in stirling, i was expecting the worst but… OMG, YES was everywhere. The little stall was properly mobbed with people taking badges, saltires (on both sides) and stickers. Not only that, in the very heavy traffic back North we really noticed the number of yes car stickers on show.

    NoThanks and Scottish Labour had stalls too. Some people wearing no thanks stickers but their stalls visibly less busy.

    Today, i wore a yes badge publically for the first time.

  183. Croompenstein says:

    @Nana – My heart is racing and tears are rolling down my cheeks, our Scotland is coming home they have no argument to keep us. Noo’s the day and noo’s the hoor, no let up no complacency no laughing till the 19th

  184. Grouse Beater says:

    John: We are winning guys, WE’RE WINNING!

    I hope so, John, I hope so – it’ll be massively impressive to democrats the world over, Scotland a small country reignites the Enlightenment. A No win leaves us humiliated, a laughing stock, the Labour party in power.

  185. Indy_Scot says:

    In light of this new poll giving a lead to the Yes side, it appear that they are going to try and bribe us, surely the unionists cant try and now move the goal posts.

    Ah, right, they are unionists, I forgot, that is what they do.

  186. Golfnut says:

    We will be offered the chance to decide what kind of Federal powers we want for our own country. O and by the way some official in europe say’s that it will take 5 years to get into the EU. Will they never learn.

  187. Grouse Beater says:

    Do you think the subversive ‘dancing guard’ at Buckingham Palace is a Scot, signifying his joy at the collapse of a corrupt Westminster?

  188. Marco McGinty says:

    I was at the airshow at Ayr today, and got talking to an English couple from Darlington. From the discussion, it was obvious that they were long time visitors to Scotland, and they truly enjoy holidaying here. They mentioned, on a couple of occasions, about how nice and friendly the Scottish people are.

    We got talking about the referendum, after the gentleman noticed by Yes badge, and I had to inform him of the dirty tricks (the anti-English lie) being played out by the BT shysters, and they couldn’t believe it. They were on the ball, though, and without prompting, they immediately replied that the Scottish people’s problems lie with Westminster, and not the English people. Sensible people.

    They’re hoping to retire up here!

  189. Ian Brotherhood says:

    George Foulkes was spotted in Ayr today, with Brian Donohoodlededoo in tow, skulking around the lanes off the Main Street, avoiding Yes campaigners.

    One of them shouted ‘Hey George, what you doing here? Campaigning to save the House of Lords?’

    And then, as if by magic, he was gone…

  190. Croompenstein says:

    @Nana – I will not be crowing the way my unionist workmates have crowed at me for 2 years. I will be dignified and continue to push the arguments to undecided and soft no even though they are becoming harder to find, tears rolling down my cheeks now

  191. Breastplate says:

    O/T
    worldnewsdailyreport.com/england-construction-workers-discover-skull-of-william-wallace/
    Sorry, I still have no idea how to post a link but I think somebody else could manage it.
    If true, it’s fantastic timing.

  192. alistair says:

    While out over last couple of days I’ve noticed how effective it is to have the WBB as a means of engaging and persuading all but the most ardent No voters into thinking twice and having a read. Because its not from the SNP or YES on frontpage then it really does seem to get folk’s attention. If we can keep the pressure on we might make Scottish_skier’s 63% on the 18th after all.

  193. Marco McGinty says:

    @alistair
    “Handful of NoThanks in usual farmers fields but not too many.”

    Is it just me, or are farmers/landowners fields the only places you see No Thanks signs? I wouldn’t be surprised if BT have paid the farmers for this.

  194. Black Douglas says:

    @Breastplate

    It’s a hoax 🙁 was linked a couple of times on other threads.

  195. Croompenstein says:

    Ah fuck it…

    It’s coming home,it’s coming home
    It’s coming.. Scotland’s coming home..

    We could even get the nawbags Skinner and Baddiel to sing it….well naw

  196. SquareHaggis says:

    Just in from a busy day putting YES boards up in rural Aberdeenshire.

    One such delivery was to a farmer who told me someone had put a No Thanks board up in his field without his permission. It was still sitting in his tractor bucket in the yard looking rather worse for wear. Not a happy chappie.

    Anyone else come across kind of subterfuge?

  197. Marcia says:

    Peter Murrell (Nicold S’s husband) has tweeted that there is to be a Panelbase poll tonight. Must be good or he wouldn’t mention it.

  198. heedtracker says:

    Salmond and Sturgeon get mobbed wherever they go now and Lamont and Miliband look lost and alone on the hustings and they’re get told where to go “behind enemy lines” in Govan.

    How can Govan be behind enemy lines according to the Hootsman and if it is, where is the front line, Westminster?

  199. Indy_Scot says:

    I have waited 35 years for this since I was 11 years old. I can still recall my primary school teacher telling the class that the reason there was no milk was because of Margaret Thatcher.

    I also recall having to tell my mother how to vote in 1979 as she was not sure. How history repeats itself.

  200. call me dave says:

    ACH! breastplate

    Sorry to say that someone reported it as a hoax last night it would have put the icing and the cherry on the empire biscuit though. 🙁

  201. Lesley-Anne says:

    Flashmob … Scotland style. 😛

    http://tinyurl.com/nr7jvfg

    http://tinyurl.com/ldy6acb

  202. Twenty14 says:

    Cant do links – but ” Just say YES ” by Snowpatrol should be our song up to the 18th

  203. davidb says:

    Now if we are certain that the polls are under-representing the true picture – and I think that’s sort of accepted on here. We might even win this.

    Keep calm. Do not crow. Knuckle down and fight for every vote. The show’s not over ’til Jackie Baillie sings.

    I am scared too now. Please don’t let us drop the prize.

    They are going to fill the TV and papers with bile for the next 11 days. They are going to muckrake. Businesses will threaten to leave. Remind yourself every morning of that quote Stuart has up there. Then we win.

  204. Betty Boop says:

    Yougov 51% Yes to 49% No Sunday Times tomorrow

  205. fred blogger says:

    Breastplate
    go to address @ top of page, right click scroll down to “copy” left click…then right click in dialogue box scroll to “paste” and left click.

  206. Grouse Beater says:

    Marcia reports: Hate Mail on Sunday front page: <Milband says, We will Put Guards on Border"

    Oh, wonderful. The political acumen of a psychotic troll.

  207. Nana Smith says:

    @Croompenstein

    Won’t be easy to not ‘crow’ but you will be the better man for not doing so. Onwards to the 19th.

    I was bawling my head off watching that youtube vid of the flash mob singing Caledonia. Makes you feel so damn proud.

  208. Marcia says:

    Sunday Times front cover;

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/508351949193109504

    correction to my earlier post – Peter retweeted a mention of a Panelbase poll from Mike Smithson.

  209. Indy_Scot says:

    Jackie Baillie singing, now I would pay good money to see that.

  210. Lesley-Anne says:

    OK folks I really really think some Wesminster individuals have totally and utterly lost the plot. I hasten to add at this point that I have severe problems believing that they actually ever had the plot to begin with! 😛

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/508353303806504961/photo/1

  211. west_lothian_questioner says:

    51% YES
    49% No
    YouGov in the Sunday Times. Whoope de fukkin doooo… it’s happening folks.. it’s bloody well happening…

  212. heedtracker says:

    YES VOTE LEADS IN SCOTS POLL

  213. Edward says:

    O/T Sunday Telegraph reporting that MP’s to get 10% pay rise
    You really could not make this stuff up

  214. Dan Huil says:

    In 1924 the Daily Mail published the Zinoviev Letter: a massive lie which led to the Tories winning the general election.
    Today the Daily Mail prints lies on a daily basis.
    Thankfully the people of Scotland are better informed than the people of 1924 – thanks to websites like this one.

  215. Grouse Beater says:

    Yes to win by 63% of the voting electorate …

  216. alistair says:

    Unionist push (or is that pish) from BBC and MSM is going to be huge now. Is it just me or do you think they will roll out Prince Charles or the Queen as last resort ?

  217. Croompenstein says:

    EBC News Yes in the lead this is it..hold..hold…hold..

  218. westie7 says:

    In all these tweets in the Mail and Times twitter site I’m amazed at the rebuild Hadrian’s wall pish. Do these folk really not know where it ended on the east coast?

  219. Lesley-Anne says:

    How panicy are the Better whatsits now?

    TOP story on SKY news is, erm, wait for it … YES in the lead! 😛

    Is it just me or are Cameron, Milliband etc so bunged up with panic that they are now saying ANYTHING just to try and stop all the haemorrhaging of support to YES.

    Keep Calm. … Aye right! I’m hanging off the ceiling for gawds sake! 😛

  220. Marcia says:

    A tweet from Kenny McAskill;

    Keep focused. Work hard. Remember those we’ve loved and lost but who inspired us on our journey. One more heave and we can win it for them.

  221. @Indy_Scot says:

    Jackie Baillie singing,

    She’s howling at the moon.

  222. Minty says:

    Earlier post went AWOL.

    Panelbase at midnight.

  223. heedtracker says:

    Millions of pounds, every newspaper, BBC, ITV, Vote Nob Orders, Dan Snow and all of Bliar MacPantsonfire’s Project Fear endless lies come down to this, YES VOTE LEADS IN SCOTS POLL.

  224. @Indy_Scot

    We have Tommy gunning for us.

  225. Lesley-Anne says:

    I was bawling my head off watching that youtube vid of the flash mob singing Caledonia. Makes you feel so damn proud.

    Same here Nana, the hackles always rise on the back of my neck every time I hear it. I have suggested elsewhere that perhap’s Caledonia should be our National Anthem after independence in 2016. 😛

  226. James123 says:

    Reporter on Sky just said that No supporters are afraid to put stickers on their windows in case that get smashed in. Fucking disgrace.

  227. west_lothian_questioner says:

    Thank funk for prozac… my heid’s near burstin…. after the 19th im hopin no to need the stuff

  228. Croompenstein says:

    Ha ha Crash Gordon is blaming the tories, meltdoon in Better Together Orange Order UKIP No Thanks BNP Nob Orders.. Has anyone seen big Bliars hat as his tuba has now blown it off..

  229. kendomacaroonbar says:

    Farage’s timing is impeccable. He’s visiting Scotland on 12th. That’s all we need Farage Balloons.

  230. Grouse Beater says:

    Heedtracker: YES VOTE LEADS IN SCOTS POLL

    Steady as she goes, Chief Officer, we’ve not sighted port yet. And keep your eyes open for icebergs.

    Watch as public unionists really feardy Independistas come out of the closet now they feel it’s safe to do so.

  231. Last post should of been for Lesley-Anne, my bloody mouse with its own mind.

  232. macart763m says:

    Nearly there.

    Let’s keep going, I’d love to see that gap grow and take wings. 😉

  233. Thepnr says:

    So just who feels like relaxing now?

    Not me for sure, I will be getting in there for the next 12 days. I hope you will also. There will be no letting up.

  234. Lesley-Anne says:

    Aye well they are doing ANYTHING James to still keep the pretence up that NO is the way to go. However, as we all know, and the reporter mentioned at the end of the report, this poll could very well become self fulfilling. In other words as YES is now ahead folks are now going to see that YES is the norm and are going to be more likely to vote YES now! WHOO HOO! 😛

  235. call me dave says:

    Sunday Times man on Radio 5 Live says most dramatic poll he’s ever seen. The BBC commentator trying to dampen down the message.

    As someone said ‘shit hits fan’ UKOK not happy!

    Cameron to go if it’s YES.

    I, will as I have said before will wait for the declaration.

  236. WRH2 says:

    Can we start a “We Don’t Want the BBC or ITV” campaign on the 19th? I rarely watch any of it but the odd thing I do see is complete rubbish. We could buy the odd programme that is watchable but we must surely be able to make better programmes than this mush.

  237. Ann says:

    Harry McAye

    I believe that when the Sun issued the results of the YouGov Poll last week it stated that they would be running a poll each week until the refereundum.

  238. Fergus Green says:

    @james123 10.10.

    No supporters are afraid to put stickers on their windows in case YES supporters approach them and ask them to make a positive case for the Union 🙂

  239. Dan Huil says:

    @James123. Heard that too. Disgusting. They, the British nationalists, just don’t understand.

  240. call me dave says:

    Radio 5 wanting comments Aye right! Let them stew.

  241. frazer allan whyte says:

    This is the third para or so of the Guardian article.

    “The plan, in the event of a no vote, is that people from all parts of Scottish society – rather than just politicians – would be invited to take part in a Scottish conference or convention that would decide on further large-scale transfers of power from London to Holyrood.”

    Rather redundant given that the Scottish people appear to be making an eminently clear decision on how and what powers they want transferred – all powers, now.

    There has been a change in the original article where another para mentioned “allowing” Scots to do something – anything – other than that which they happen to be doing now.

    What will Scotland choose… talking about something that might be granted sometime through the agency of a failed chancellor and short time PM and his parcel of rogues or keep on doing what they are doing now – taking history in their hands and rising up and being a nation again?

  242. Lesley-Anne says:

    I agree CH. As far as this referendum campaign is concerned oor Tommy can do no wrong. Hell I read about his latest ventures into Aberdeen and Dundee where the halls were full to bursting so much so that on both occasions they had to “lock out” over 100 on both days. Tommy actually spent 15 minutes or more actually speaking to the “locked out” 100. I defy ANYONE to go to a talk by Tommy and come away afterwards STILL wanting to vote NO!

    If anyone can stomach it Crash Gordon is on Murnahan tomorrow morning from 10 a.m. 😛

  243. fred blogger says:

    one my favourite pieces of music of all time, is playing on radio 3 atm, this is bliss.

  244. Proud Cybernat says:

    YES ahead in polls. Now watch what happens to the Pound when the markets open on Monday. Hey Gideon–what about taht currency union thingy? Yupfurrit noo?

  245. Sinky says:

    Its not a foregone conclusion everyone who is able boded should be out canvassing in traditional Labour voting areas to secure a YES vote.

  246. Croompenstein says:

    We have Nigel Farage(pronounced garage) on the 12th, Better Together Orange Order Embra on the 13th and BBC Protest on the 14th.. it is coming together let’s fight and fight like our lives depend on it..

  247. James123 says:

    @Fergus Green

    The reporter was James Matthews, he really shouldn’t get away with making such an appalling statement. I think the phrase he actually used was “afraid of getting their windows panned in”.

  248. Dan Huil says:

    This is, in polling terms, a repeat of the days leading up to the 2011 election. A Labour lead then was consistent until the last few days. Facts forced them into reporting the truth. Now the polling companies know they can’t keep up the pretense of a No lead if their reputation is to be held up. They now know they must reflect the truth.

  249. Lesley-Anne says:

    To be honest PC I’m hoping he sticks to his NO to a currency union right up to and beyond independence day. That will really teach him, Balls and the rest of the Eton Toff/ Oxbridge brigade to try and mess with Scotland OR its people! 😛

  250. handclapping says:

    @Clare G
    As another English Scot for Yes, the thing I find so annoying is the insistence that when we say Westminster we mean the English. It is in the same vein as their inability to hear our answer to “What is Plan B?” as “We will use Sterling”.

    Westminster might have been democratic at some point in the past, but it has been totally subverted by a party system that only promotes cookie cutter clones within the party and only appeals to the swing voter in the marginal constituency. That is the Westminster that I hate. Westminster is not a coded message of self loathing. Westminster is not “the English”, it is a cess-pit of shysters.

  251. Indy_Scot says:

    12 days until we change the world, man, I’ve been on longer holidays than that.

  252. alistair says:

    Notice that BBC can’t bring themselves to put Poll lead in a headline but bury it in their article instead. No surprise there then.

  253. stewart bc says:

    I say a little prayer …….

  254. Auld Rock says:

    Just heard YOUGUV Poll for tomorrows Sunday Times, ‘YES’ 51%, whoopee. We’re on our way.

    Auld Rock

  255. Grouse Beater says:

    Scotland reignites the Enlightment – democrats the world over celebrate.

  256. heedtracker says:

    @ Grouse Beater, this is the tipping point.

  257. call me dave says:

    Gordon is an acquired taste. No Thanks.

    Panel Base later I hope will confirm the YES lead.

    I ordered 6 more WWB on E-Bay earlier gave my last one away this afternoon (4th owner for that one). God I might have a proper Iron Bru rather than the diet version.

    But must remain calm because I remember the Glenrothes by-election, went to the count and couldn’t believe it! I don’t want that feeling again because this is way more important.

  258. laukat says:

    @Proud Cybernat – I think you are bang on and noticed on twitter Wings offering the same comment. If the Markets react badly on Monday then Westminster may be forced to issue a statement saying CU is possible. I suspect the story about further powers is a cover to try and divert attention for a statement on CU if required.

    One thing is sure which is that if Westminster admits a CU is possible Yes have won and the Scottish Government’s position in negotiations just got a whole lot stronger

  259. DONT BITE ——RISE ABOVE IT —WE ARE ALMOST THERE.

  260. Grouse Beater says:

    Scotland reignited the Enlightenment – democrats the world over celebrate.

  261. Grouse Beater says:

    Oops – apologies for duplicate post – am getting excited.

  262. heedtracker says:

    BBC 24 panic stations, check out the sweat on the upper lips, shredders going nuts in Pacific Quay, bags a packing…

  263. Scotsbob says:

    On the Sky news pages they have the poll but then devote most of the article to quote from a Gordon Brown speech and publicise hiw TV appearance tomorrow. The BT press and PR people will be working overtime tonight to try to spin this news. The BBC will be standing by waiting for their instructions

  264. alanfrompaisley says:

    Andrew Picken ?@andrewpicken1 · 3m
    Yes Scotland Panelbase poll just released:

    Yes: 44%
    No: 48%
    Undecided: 8%

    Excluding undecideds
    Yes: 48%
    No: 52%

  265. Ann says:

    I’m sitting here in utter disbelief and trying my best not to greet at that poll.

    If YouGov has a 2% lead. What do the other more indi polls have?

    After over 2 years of negativity with everything but the kitchen sink flung at us by the Pro-Unionists, a long wished for dream by “ordinary Scots”, not politicians, not the gentry, but the “ordinary Scot” is about to come true.

    Scotland a nation is about to be re-born.

  266. ronnie anderson says:

    @Grouse Beater 9,39 I’ve tried pausing the frame on the dancing Guard to count the number of button on his jacket,maybe some of our vidio special operatives could give us information. Is the Scots Guards in groups of 3, Im not sure,again some of our xsquadies would know.

  267. Dan Huil says:

    BBC says G Brown and Osborne will be on TV tomorrow to offer people in Scotland more devolution! Can’t wait! They just don’t get it. More votes for Yes.

  268. crisiscult says:

    woww. Polls not necessarily gonna take account of all those voting for the first time, high turnout, etc, but this will make a few folk think maybe it’s ok to vote YES.

    BTW, re WBB, there seem to be plenty still around at Yes Provan (Dennistoun Glasgow) if that information is of any use.

  269. Grouse Beater says:

    Heedtracker: BBC 24 panic stations, check out the sweat on the upper lips, shredders going nuts in Pacific Quay, bags a packing…

    I am convinced the subversive dancing guard at the Palace is a Scot!!!

  270. Marian says:

    I always wondered when the people of Scotland would waken up to what Westminster and its chums in the media have been doing and it appears that has now happened.

    It will be extremely interesting to see how the money markets react to this on Monday – I would guess they will be putting pressure on Cameron to do something to re-assure them – perhaps even a partial climb down on the currency union issue or maybe thats too far at this stage.

  271. Suzanne says:

    I read all that vicious bile all the way down and felt physically sick. Actually physically sick. I knew things were going to get very nasty and dirty but I forgot to remind myself before I started reading.

    Now that I’ve had a breather, I agree. Don’t rise to the bait. Don’t engage. This is all they have now – viciousness and venom and the mask has slipped right off. If businesses threaten to leave, let them. Plenty more businesses and industries to be built. All these hyenas can do is repeat the same old “subsidy junkie” lie and it’s nothing more than pathetic how low they’ve sunk.

    Yes, let’s all remember that line.

    “THEN WE WIN”.

  272. Grouse Beater says:

    We only ever needed one poll to show Yes ahead to embolden closet Yes voters to raise their hands and be counted.

  273. Marian says:

    Btw should have added that I’m pretty certain that Red Ed’s threat to put border guards on the border is just about the stupidest thing he could have said at this stage in the referendum campaign and is certain to push more Scots into voting YES.

  274. Proud Cybernat says:

    Scotland to be offered ‘Federal Status’ (on Sky news)–WTF?

  275. Thepnr says:

    They have 3 more cards left to play:

    1. More devolution for the Scottish Parliament.
    2. The Queen telling Scots that we are “Better Together”
    3. Love bombing from the rUK.

    None of this will work, tough shit.

  276. Ian Brotherhood says:

    This is when the Nawbags self-destruct – the recriminations, finger-pointing, backstabbings and defections will keep them fully occupied while we up our game.

    And how many WBBs are actually out there? We still have many thousands to distribute, and there’s no shortage of schemes where folk will hugely appreciate being brought some hard facts. Everyone has ‘tough’ areas nearby – let’s get organised, team-handed, look after each other, and make sure the residents of these places are not shunned.

    Speaking of which – SSP Ayrshire’s final Public Meeting will be in Whittlets Activity Centre, Ayr, on Monday 15th. It’s a tough area to leaflet, and we need help. If you want to be part of this, please message me, even if you can spare an hour or two, afternoon or evening, in the next week or so: ian [at] stevenston4 [dot] fsnet [dot] co [dot] uk

  277. Papadox says:

    And there are nutters who want to vote NO to be with their friends. Why are these people paying £millions to hold onto these subsidy JUNCKIES who will just be a drain on their wealth and not good enough to grace the soles of their shoes.

    Why don’t they throw us out?

    They are arrogant, ignorant and utter snobs. WHO CAN VOTE TO SHARE A COUNTRY WITH THESE SHITBAGS.

  278. Marcia says:

    A new thread has started – lets move to there.

  279. Joemcg says:

    This is the moment Bruce decapitated de bohun at bannockburn now let’s finish em off????

  280. galamcennalath says:

    Sky newspaper review makes Fox News look intellectual!

  281. balgayboy says:

    It was always going to be Yes, it is now by how much? my prediction now is between 65-70% yes and the rest I do not giving a shit about.

  282. McTim says:

    The “radical new powers for Scots” mentioned in the Observer are just more empty promises. Even if they do mean it about a more federalised UK, how smoothly do they think this is going to be done? I call BS. I really hope the remaining Don’t Knows or soft Yes voters won’t fall for this desperate and opportunistic ploy. It’ll be interesting to see if the 51% in tomorrow’s ST poll is borne out by polls thereafter. We must not become complacent now and keep pushing hard. Up until now I always thought my own prediction of a 55% or over win for Yes optimistic; now I think that’s absolutely achievable.

  283. Joemcg says:

    Emojis no working!

  284. Sinky says:

    In Daily Mail Miliband “I’ll put guards on the Scottish Border” meanwhile Westminster MPs to get 10% pay rise you couldn,t make it up.

  285. Joemcg says:

    Edinburgh mile long push for yes was great fun and a fantastic success, just think we should cancel next Saturday there will be guaranteed trouble at the stalls because of the march please be safe.

  286. handclapping says:

    Its only a poll, it could be as right as the 22% No from 5 weeks ago. Time to get to the down and dirty of making sure that every Yesser votes.

    Choose an area you can get round in 45 minutes. Get 4 others. Find your local Yes and check with them how your area fits their plans. Arrange to get a knocking up sheet from Yes on Wed 17. 18th 1830 1 of you goes to the Polling Place wearing Yes, the other 4 visit those on the KUS, mark off those that have voted and give those that haven’t a postcard with a number on it and tell them to hand it to the Yesser at the Polling Place. When done, walk up to the PP and mark off the collected postcards from the Yesser at the PP. 2 of you stay at the PP, the other 3 repeat with anybody not yet marked off till 2130.

  287. cal says:

    @Mealer

    I’ve taken to going up to people with Yes badges on or Yes stickers on their cars and asking them if they know any u/d or soft nos. If they do they are given a WBB and told to pass it on and on and on. I’m constantly amazed how many people still don’t read Wings but my work must be increasing Stu’s stats:-) I’ve also put together a wee pack for Chinese people with my wife’s Chinese text and some of my own texts in English exposing lies and dispelling popular myths. They seem genuinely chuffed to get something in their own language. One vote at a time and taking everyone with us as we go towards our destination!

  288. Tam Jardine says:

    Having watched my country and her people being denigrated, lied to, threatened and misrepresented during this long campaign and beyond I think we are finally seeing Westminster and their stooges in the press reap the whirlwind. The polls have been used to dampen the Yes momentum for the last year – I am suspicious of them yet and think the truth is that the no support is disintegrating. Maybe this is the latest tactic: shake the soft no vote into activity by suggesting the vote is on a knife edge.

    Plough on people – shoulder to the wheel time. Let’s keep the heid and enjoy the next fortnight.

    I have never been prouder of Scotland than I am now – to withstand all that has been thrown at her and come out fighting is incredible.

    My kids will look back on these days in awe when they are older – on behalf of them: thank you one and all.

    Now all I’d like to see is Germany to have a wee off day the morn…

  289. muttley79 says:

    @balgaboy

    Sorry but that is so complacent. Why do people think this is in the bag for Yes? We need to keep on working for a Yes vote until the campaign ends on 17th.

  290. h_johnny says:

    What is the source for the below information from Panelbase? Not seen anything yet at all.

    ——————
    @alanfrompaisley says:
    6 September, 2014 at 10:29 pm
    Andrew Picken ?@andrewpicken1 · 3m
    Yes Scotland Panelbase poll just released:

    Yes: 44%
    No: 48%
    Undecided: 8%

    Excluding undecideds
    Yes: 48%
    No: 52%

  291. piggy says:

    Desperate action from desperate people who know we leave them behind.

    Ancient and predictable tactics………..assist the builders, but hinder their work.

    We have heard their lies, we have witnessed their deceit and we have observed their anxiety.

    Their anger and hate have also been cast upon us, but the people have resisted with great strength of spirit.

    These are the signs of their decay and demise. We seek not to share in those things, but to continue on the safe and secure path to prosperity.

    To those who encourage others; keep going and continue your great work.

  292. YESGUY says:

    Welcome home Flower of Scotland.

    Look whats happened this last week. Amazing stuff all round. Watch for the flags and posters the last week.

    Ronnie Anderson.

    Fantastic news sir. I see YES posters and stickers everywhere now . Wish i had your energy Ronnie, Great job. Thoughts with Paul Kavanagh – Wee Ginger Dug, and the family.

    The daily heil is a disgusting rag – It’s not just the Scots with those people , replace it with Geordies and Scousers , they feel the same and never ever have anything nice to say about the Irish. Thankfully we can leave them to fester in they’re own vile pit.

    I worry about our English, Welsh and Irish cousins . We might trip a few times but we will be ok. not so sure elsewhere in the rUK.

    A lot of myths and smears will be laid bare over the next few months . We’ll see who subsidizes who.

    Don’t take the bait folks. Laugh or ignore them .We are Wingers. We have a modicum of class you know.

  293. Auld Rock says:

    Adding to my previous, personally I do not give a shit if it is 50.000000000000000000001% for ‘YES’ IT IS STILL A ‘YES’.

    Auld Rock

  294. Auld Rock says:

    PS I would have gone further but could not find ‘ad finitem’ symbol.

    Auld Rock

  295. kininvie says:

    Simple message: This is not won….not by any measure.

    There’s fantastic uptake for the WBB. I’ve given out over 100 today, personally.

    Get it into schools and staffrooms – make it the cult teenage item
    Get it into the hands of anyone with a workplace where they need to convert people.
    Get it into the hands of taxi drivers
    Get it into the hands of small (or large) shopkeepers.
    Get it into the hands of hairdressers – few people spend longer, ot talk more, to their customers.
    Get it into the hands of dentists: they have a silent audience :((
    Get it into the hands of bored commuters needing something to read.

    51% is NOT ENOUGH. It’s not even reliable. We need at least 55% – we have 12 days!

  296. Lesley-Anne says:

    I think we all need to chill tonight over this poll. We have been under the cosh since day one of this campaign and never been allowed one minute’s silence from all the whooping from the MSM/BBC/Better wahtsit. We now are in the situation where for the first time since the campaign started, as far as I can remember, we are in the lead. It is a minuscule lead but a lead non the less.

    Surely tonight we can all allow ourselves some time to rejoice in the news that we have the beating of Better whatsit. We have around 11 days left to get the word out to those still wavering and we WILL do that. No one who posts on here is likely to take it easy from now on. We all know NOW is the time and we WILL do this.

    There are a few things that this poll will, in my view achieve.

    1) everyone going out canvassing, delivering papers, WBB’s etc, working on stalls etc will now be doing so with a real big spring in their step. No matter how long we keep going nothing is as sweet as the sweet smell of success and this lead tonight makes the smell of victory so much stronger.

    2) we will all now be walking about with huge smiles on our faces that can never be wiped off. This is infectious and can only encourage more people to come over to the light side.

    3) It is well known that as people see polls change then they will become more encouraged to vote YES. In my view any future polls can only continue to move in the current direction and I fully expect the figures for YES to continue to increase.

  297. YESGUY says:

    Offers from the union

    last year _ vote NO – do as you fucking told
    Last month -vote NO- please do as your told
    Tmoz -Vote NO- and i’ll give you 5 quid for every 10 you make and you can stay up and watch the tv 1 hour longer than Wales
    Plus 12 Vote NO- Sit on your own as the rest of the country goes bonkers partying over a YES landslide.

    Desperate sods…………… Wait for the offer of a currency union and NO borders. 11 Days too late.

    Day plus 14 Scottish border controls buckle under pressure of thousands of Southern folk running north.

    Day plus21 _ London disbanded , new rUK Parliment in Gateshead

    YES YES YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

  298. McTim says:

    I’ll be out at the street stall again tomorrow. Still needs to be confirmed by Yes Edinburgh North & Leith where they are going to be as I can’t make it before 2.30pm. Joemcg has a point though: the street stalls should go ahead but we really have to be on our watch next weekend and stay safe.

  299. YESGUY says:

    Late News coming in

    The Scotsman has been bought over and renamed Wings over Scotland . Two week crowd funding buys lot and is publishing a daily and weekend paper for the people.

    new Editor in chief Mr Stuart Campbell says ” This rag needed sorted. Takes the name of our country and downs it at every turn ….NO MORE.

    Free labour MP for every reader on sale of first issue.

    please remember to keep Scotland tidy , don’t litter by throwing you FREE labour MP away …. Use the wheely bins provided.

  300. Rock says:

    Melanie Philips, one of the heros of Norwegian racist terrorist Anders Breivik.

  301. Rock says:

    The Rough Bounds,

    “It’s not just us with the London English Establishment. They’re like that with the whole world.”

    Absolutely. They sneer at EVERYONE, including the English common people.

  302. Lanarkist says:

    Kininvie, This, had same thoughts, pass out WBB to community businesses and 4th, 5th, 6th Years at School Lunch Times and ask them to read it and go visit their older relatives, the demographic less likely to see it on social media.
    We don’t need official approval to distribute literature free of charge, we need to get the information out to the people!
    #readandpasson.

  303. Willie, I am says:

    On the way home last week I noted many No and NoThanks signs up as I drove north up the A9 last week, on the way south this morning I was delighted to note the number of counter signs.

    The momentum is with the people it seems, lets not be complacent. Lets bring as many with us as we can….

    Uilleachan x

  304. Breastplate says:

    @ Black Douglas and Call me Dave, Thanks for the heads up, I can’t keep up with all the comments anymore. There are absolutely gazillions of them now. 🙂

  305. Molly says:

    All this really does is benefit the Yes campaign no end.
    Don’t get complacent though folks as they will still have a few dirty bombs to drop in the coming days.

    Keep pushing the positive case for Yes and remember who the enemy is. It’s not your No voter friends and neighbours, they will still be your friends and neighbours come the 19th regardless of the result.

    Be kind to them and remember, when they are unkind to you it’s because they are coming from a place of fear. Don’t feed that fear, help them see through it and maybe a lot more eyes and minds will be opened 🙂 x

  306. bjsalba says:

    For a different English point of view see:

    http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/westminster-establishment-complacency.html

    Warning: strong language except that he is speaking metaphorically incitement to violence.

  307. Ken500 says:

    The synaphant, lying Westminster controlled Press who would do anything for money including condoning mass murder. Free Press not a chance. The corrupt, thieving Westminster liars and the corrupt thieving British Press, going down together. There are no levels they would not sink. Sanctioning food banks in a land of plenty and killing and maiming the world over all funded by public money, against the public interest.

    What they have done to Scotland and the hardworking people is an international disgrace.

  308. Ken500 says:

    If any more of these contemptible, tax evading, lying, gutter Press print anymore lies about Scotland they will be in the gutter or the Dock.

  309. Ken500 says:

    At least that’s UKIP troughers finished in Scotland.

  310. Geoff Huijer says:

    Oooh Jeffrey Archer about to come on SKY News papers review.

    This should be fun…

  311. David Agnew says:

    This is what happens when the coziness of banal unionism is upset. Suddenly people realise that there doesn’t seem to be a need for it to exist. The only folk who seem to care, are Scots unionists, but its never been reciprocated south of the border. You don’t have to wait long until the belligerent imbecility spews forth from the great and good south of the border.

  312. Gary says:

    So, do all of the above count a racism? Or is it only if we respond that the response is racism? I keep hearing about the deep divisions and “carnage” and I keep wondering what planet this is happening on.

  313. tonymac says:

    OT Darling on SKY NEWS IN 10 MINS
    They want questions – they say..

  314. Grendel says:

    Two English voters told to Fuck off back to England in Airdrie yesterday- by the No camp because they were voting YES.

  315. Rabbitnexus says:

    Not that Aussies are much chop these days, we’re lackeys of the War Pig Party like the rest of the West, but we love the Scots and respect them in a way we don’t do the Poms. Pommie society is a society of wankerness.



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