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Tidying up

Posted on September 28, 2021 by

Right, as promised, one last piece of admin. (This post will be removed in due time.)

We left yesterday’s piece and the associated poll up for two full days to make sure the people who don’t read Wings at weekends saw it and had the chance to vote in it too. But in truth it was pretty obvious how the vote would go from about 20 minutes in.

Like, that’s not even a little bit close.

So the remainder of the Wings Fighting Fund will be used to commission occasional opinion polls until it runs out or until (ha) a second indyref becomes a reality, whichever happens first. However, almost everyone who gave a reason for voting “Oppose” (and quite a few who voted “Support”) said they did so because they wanted me to keep the money for myself.

That wasn’t offered as an option in the poll, because I’m not the SNP or Kezia Dugdale – that money was donated and meant to be used to in some way further the cause of independence, not buy me Lamborghinis (at the time of writing my 17-year-old Mini is still doing stellar service) or country cottages.

However, lots of people in the comments also expressed a desire for a final fundraiser to mark the closure of Wings Over Scotland as a politics blog, as a sort of redundancy package. It IS traditional to give a retiring employee a carriage clock or a gold watch or some such, and as it happens there’s a thing I really want but haven’t bought because the price is so absurdly extravagant, so if readers would like to get it as a farewell gift gesture that’d be very lovely.

It’s this hilariously high-tech jacket. It’s got graphene and electric heaters and stealth pockets and all sorts of nonsense, so it’d be ideal for staying toasty while out feeding the swans and squirrels in the fast-approaching winter.

(The three families of swan babies are nearly all fully-grown now and they’re always hungry, while the patter of tiny squirrel paws is imminent if this pic from the park last week is anything to go by.)

Any excess cash raised will go, as always, on crisps, Sherbet Dip-Dabs, fruity gins, and badger food for these goons.

And of course on the foxes (currently six).

And this magical vanishing dick, who bangs on the glass with his beak at teatime if there are no suet pellets on the ledge, or knocks stuff over if the window’s open.

And lastly and absolutely leastly, these complete arses.

Click the pic below, or the poll one at the top of the page, to go to the fundraiser if you want to kick in a few quid for the going-away present. Don’t worry if you don’t – people usually donate in expectation of a good or service, not for one they’ve already had or just to buy somebody some ludicrous parkwear. I have other coats.

And that’s about it. It’s been quite a ride, gang. Hopefully we’ll meet again one day, in the future of a better land where the Wicked Witch is no more and there might actually be a chance at independence. Until then, eh?

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    1. Dorothy Devine says:

      Loved it DJ and just great to see the abundant saltires as accompaniment!

    2. DJ says:

      Dorothy Devine says:
      19 October, 2021 at 9:24 am
      Loved it DJ and just great to see the abundant saltires as accompaniment!

      Thank you Dorothy for listening and commenting! It’s also thanks to All Under One Banner who kindly allowed us to use all the video footage.

    3. I see the SNP`s Kirsty Blackman is still trying to eradicate Joanna Cherry,

      some noname misogyinist tweeted,`… when will the SNP actually do something about Joanna Cherry?

      SNP MP Kirsty Blackman answered/tweeted in reply,

      `Good question. I wish I knew the answer.`

      An MP recently murdered and Joanna having threats on her life and Kirsty Blackman MP comes out with that answer.

      And silence from the Transcult Reichstag at Holyrood.

    4. Republicofscotland says:

      Boris Johnson’s government ordered to reveal the 47 fast tracked VIP companies that made an absolute fortune out of PPE contracts dished out by his chumocracy minded government.

    5. robbo says:

      Well done DJ on the video. Keep it up!

    6. robbo says:

      Scot Finlayson says:
      19 October, 2021 at 9:40 am
      I see the SNP`s Kirsty Blackman is still trying to eradicate Joanna Cherry,


      Kirsty Blackman is a hypocrite. Do we think anything will happen to her regarding constant tweets /digs at JC? Probably not cos she’s part of the SNP gender woo hoo Taliban.

    7. sarah says:

      Re Kirsty Blackman – my OH has emailed Ian Blackford asking him “When are you going to do something about Kirsty Blackman?”.

      Looking forward to IB’s reply!

    8. Robert Graham says:

      Just after the failed and intrusive VAX pass we now have Facial Recognition being introduced in Primary Schools in Ayrshire .
      To speed up the dinner lines
      Aye intrusive implementation of way over the top surveillance of children and the excuse is ,
      To speed up dinner lines
      What’s the problem is there a serious hold up in Ayrshire primary school’s dinner lines that requires such major technical infrastructure to return it to , well who knows
      A email to my SNP MSP questioning the VAX pass was returned with lots of information mostly government speak and totally failing to understand and answer my simple question what is it for because it serves no medical issues or problems it’s simply surveillance because it doesn’t stop or solve any problem with transmission.
      I was assured this is a temporary measure ,aye ok how long is temporary and what’s to stop this being widened to encompass other areas apart from nightclubs and large gatherings.
      I urge people to read the emergency powers that the SNP government has in place , the end date or a sunshine clause is in place until September next year with the option of a extension without prior consent or indeed any kind of scrutiny in parliament, that means these emergency powers can be extended indefinitely and the mug public can’t object because it’s emergency legislation.

    9. James Che. says:


      Just catching up,

      My family are musical, and have played with some big names in their day, from Andy Stewart to joe brown,
      They write some of their own song as well.

      All I can say to you and you’re other half.

      Well done, I loved you’re song, the music it’s purpose and video.

    10. James Che. says:

      Robert Graham.

      Until the Scottish people realise THEY are sovereign,



    11. sarah says:

      @ Robert Graham: “facial recognition for primary school dinner queue”

      Once again, a terrifying abuse of government – if they will even contemplate facial recognition in a primary school, what chance for any other civil liberty?

      Please will some SNP members at least try to challenge the leader – get several people to apply to stand as leader. The window is now open for applications as the Annual Conference is the end of November – just ask SNP Nat Sec for a form – but there will be a cut off date well before the Conference so you must act now.

      I have emailed a couple of parliamentarians asking them to stand or to organise for some other applications but I don’t expect them to keep me informed. If anyone reading this has some contacts in the SNP or is a member who sees the obstruction that the current leadership is putting on independence, please please act. It is the only way to get movement on independence.

    12. DJ says:

      James Che. says:
      19 October, 2021 at 12:01 pm

      Thank you James for your very kind words. They are very much appreciated.

    13. James Che. says:

      The snp have had 7 years to stop the rot, the corruption,
      Sadly it is them that are forwarding this draconian new Scotland,
      It’s is also the snp that monitor new candidates and stop any with alternative views in the snp coming through. As we can see from the manner they deal with other snp members like JC.

      Until The present cult leaders are out the picture the rest follow like zombies.

    14. Chas says:


      The only positive thing that will come out of the meeting will be the great and the good leaving and thinking ‘what an arse hole that Boris Johnston is’.
      The negatives will be that the senior executives, who did not get to the positions they are in today by being nice, realising that there is even more opportunities to carve up Britain to their respective Company’s advantage.
      At least Mrs Murrell is not attending which would embarrass us further!

    15. James Che. says:

      Does anyone think the new laws Priti Patel is talking about bringing in to safe guard MPs from hate speech and terrorism will stop the Tories telling Scottish MPs to go home?

    16. There should be a report sent to Commons Select Committee on Standards about Kirsty Blackman`s actions against a fellow MP,

      Kirsty Blackman is putting a fellow MP in a potentially dangerous position,

      Kirsty Blackman needs suspended by Commons Select Committee on Standards for 10 sitting days,

      and then The Recall of MPs Act 2015 an act of the Parliament that makes provision for constituents to be able to recall their Member of Parliament and call a by-election,

      and then the voters of her constituancy vote her out,

      and she can join the Scottish Green Party where she would be most welcome for her views on doing away with all woman`s hard won rights to placate a few misogynist men.

    17. Robert Hughes says:

      @ Robert Graham

      Yip Hapless Humza stumbling from one fiasco to another , consistent if nothing else . The Holyweird Dorkocracy permanently stuck in reverse gear in just about every dept .

      The vaxxport scheme easily circumvented by the not very complicated means of simply sharing a QR code . Wowza , who saw THAT one coming ? Not HH anyway .

      And who knew the primary school dinner queues were in such crisis !! Somebody call Bill Gates

    18. Effigy says:

      Very interested to read in the Torygraph that Boris
      insists that the U.K. will be the Quatar of Hydrogen power?

      Although the technology isn’t viable he has made a fund £450 million
      sound like much but in fact that wouldn’t install 90,000 homes.

      Most interestingly the Boiler replacement scheme is due to start in
      England and Wales next April.

      N Ireland has has £1 Billion sent for them to burn pellets in empty barns
      as another back door payment to the Unionist there.

      Scotland, the coldest country in the U.K. with a higher proportion of pensioners
      gets- – – Eh Stuffed.

      Is that outrage I hear from SNP. No it isn’t! Why would they? Their pay is just the same.

    19. Robert Hughes says:

      …..or appoint a School Dinner Queue Czar . Maybe Kirsty Blackperson could take time out from her main job of hounding J Cherry and step up to the dinner plate .

      Good song and video DJ . Keep ’em coming : we could all do with a bit of positivity in these benighted times

    20. DJ says:

      Robert Hughes says:

      Good song and video DJ . Keep ’em coming : we could all do with a bit of positivity in these benighted times

      Robert, thank you for your kind words of support. I really appreciate them.

    21. Confused says:

      remember to hit the LIKE button on DJ’s vid

    22. DJ says:

      Confused says:
      19 October, 2021 at 1:37 pm
      remember to hit the LIKE button on DJ’s vid

      Thanks for that Confused!

    23. Ron Maclean says:

      From a comment btl on this site about a year ago –

      ‘As First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is not obliged to obtain independence for the people of Scotland. As Leader of the SNP and a member of the Party she must endorse the Aims of the Party and accept its Constitution, Rules and Standing Orders. The primary aim of the SNP is to achieve independence for the people of Scotland. The primary aim of the First Minister is tae dae fit she’s telt by Westminster. These aims cannot be reconciled. Ms Sturgeon is an obedient but uninspiring First Minister. These are not qualities which will ever take us to independence. She could stay on as First Minister but we need a new leader for the SNP with the necessary attributes.

      The conflict of interest between leadership of the SNP and the position of First Minister is obvious and should have been resolved by now. Why hasn’t it? Is it because there isn’t anyone in the SNP who could lead us to independence. We need an answer to that question.’

    24. James Che. says:

      The snp make you wonder whom owns sovereignty in Scotland.

      They seem to be of the same opinion as Westminster’s Parliament, whom claims that parliament is sovereign.

      The Scottish devolved government is not sovereign at all, it is a Scottish branch office given permission to exist by Westminster’s ok.

      But here in Scotland even Westminster admit the Scots people are sovereign and have the to choose a new government any time they like.

      The snp and Green Party are overstepping the line with their totalitarian new laws they are bringing in, that effects every part of our Scottish families lives.

      Sovereignty lies with the people in Scotland,
      Why do we sit back and allow them pretend draconian sovereignty.

      Perhaps some banners or stickers should say as much during the climate meeting.

      The Scottish people are sovereign.
      The Scottish Parliament is not.

    25. Chas says:

      James Che

      I could be in a minority of one but I doubt it.

      Do you really have to submit umpteen posts, every day, concerning Sovereignty? I suspect that 99% of Scots have no real interest!
      Find another subject please.
      Thank you.

    26. Robert Hughes says:

      ” I suspect that 99% of Scots have no real interest! ”

      Maybe because 99% of Scots have never been taught about it

    27. James Che. says:

      That is the purpose,

      For those that do not know,
      The marches fulfill the same reasoning.
      Others Scottish bloggers mostly aim with reasoning.
      To spread the word, that what they have been told is not the truth with regards their sovereignty or the treaty of the union in the past.

      For those that are unaware,
      For those that have had decades of the other type of MSM rubbish.
      For those that do not realise their legal position in Scotland

      And because most of those opposing the people of Scotland gaining any legal foothold for independence would like to brush this information under the carpet.

      So I challenge anyone to to point out where Scots joined the treaty of the union in a democratic vote in 1707.
      If they can’t find the vote put to the Scots in 1707, we simply did not join.

    28. James Che. says:

      Robert Hughes,

      Well returned.

    29. Hugh Jarse says:

      V droll Dave.

      Hammer doun on the Sovereign status of Scots* then guys.

      *Whoever they/we are.

    30. Graf Midgehunter says:

      Chas says: at 2:50 pm

      James Che

      I could be in a minority of one but I doubt it.

      Do you really have to submit umpteen posts, every day, concerning Sovereignty? I suspect that 99% of Scots have no real interest!
      Find another subject please.

      The Brit Nats would just love it if the word SOVEREIGNTY was never mentioned again. I suspect the SNP too.

      The word terrifies them, because a Scottish population that is educated and realises the power that emits from them being Sovereign, is able to make its own decisions as to whether it wants to continue in a “Partnership” which does nothing to improve their lives but just plunders the resources of Scotland for England/WM.

      So as Breeks, James Che, Robert Louis, Dan, BDTT and many others here have understood, Sovereignty should be at the very forefront of our Independence Movement.

      Using it is our weapon to freedom.

      NOT a discredited Referendum.

    31. James Che. says:

      Graf Midgehunter.
      Robert Hughes,
      Robert Louis.
      And to the many that recognise the sovereignty status of the Scots,

      It is an important aspect to our legal and verbal armaments that the Scots have more than one avenue to gain our independence.
      I am quite happy to have many aspects to the independence yes movement. And to realise that learning one method does not necessarily cancel out others, but merely adds to the legal structure.
      All branches are important to a sapling if it is to grow into a tree.

      Many others of you are better educated than I on many subjects, and I feel humbled by the many subjects you all bring up. And the links to news and other bloggers.
      You have been the starting point for the lack of Scottish history actually taught in our/ my education system.

      For to presume that only my school in Scotland took this approach is naive, so there must be many Scots in Scotland that that do not know the full extent of their sovereignty and what it means in relation to themselves, and the rest of Scotland.
      Nor that any Scots has ever voted to join the treaty of the union in 1707 to present day.

      I am doggedly determined that as many Scots know these facts as the rest of you are in supporting yes for independent Scotland in you’re own persistant efforts.
      And I enjoy nit picking legal facts from jargon.

      And the treaty of the union has plenty of jargon.
      Thanks to you all for you’re support in my efforts to thwart the propaganda around this issue,

    32. Spotted this on BBC Red Button politics the Welsh Labour Government have set up a commission to look at all aspects of Wales relationship with the rest of the UK including Independence for Wales. And best wishes to everyone affected by the explosion in Ayr and what a job the emergency services did.

    33. Chas says:

      Jesus wept. Still banging on about Sovereignty. Why don’t all those interested, the whole 5 or 6 of you take Westminster/Hollyrood/EU or whoever to court and bore them all to death with stuff that happened hundreds of years ago.

    34. Republicofscotland says:

      So Michael Gove was chased through the streets of London today by protestors, pity he got away I say.

    35. sarah says:

      @ Chas: this site is for people who want Scotland to regain independence.

      At the moment the procedure to regain independence is being framed in terms of, or rather deliberately confined to, the referendum route by the SNP and the MSM. That is the problem.

      Unless the message gets out that sovereignty means we do not need a referendum, and that the referendum route that was a safe and sensible choice in 2014, is now a disastrous method, we are trapped.

      Have you got any ideas to help?

    36. Republicofscotland says:

      Sovereignty, sovereignty, sovereignty, you want independence sooner than later if at all, then get a million Scots to surround Holyrood and push home their point, otherwise Sturgeon will just continue to carry out her own agenda, ignoring AUOB marches as she goes.

      From the declaration of Arbroath, in which the paragraph below sets out, our, the peoples sovereignty, and that we will remove our (king) if he/she fails to defend our sovereignty.

      “Yet if he should give up what he has begun, seeking to make us or our kingdom subject to the King of England or the English, we should exert ourselves at once to drive him out as our enemy and a subverter of his own right and ours, and make some other man who was well able to defend us our King.”

    37. Stu,

      someone doing a wee poll on twitter regarding the nefarious transcult and when you (that`s me) first became aware there was a problem that was the transcult,

      lot of folk sayin it was when JKR got involved,

      but you were on this topic way before that,

      can you remember the date of your first post on WOS regarding the trans issue,

      i`m sure it seems a couple of years ago,


    38. Chas says:


      I want an honest, workable Independence for Scotland.

      If Scots want Independence they have to vote for it. They did not the last time around.
      If a 2nd referendum ever takes place the SNP/Alba or whoever will have to present the financial/economic case to the people of Scotland for scrutiny. Something they have spectacularly failed to do. Difficult questions will be asked and resolutions will have to found. Currency/Central Bank/borrowings etc etc. I absolve Alba from this, given that they have only recently formed, but the SNP have a lot to answer for.
      What would an Independent Scotland look like? If anyone thinks Sturgeon, Swinney, Useless et al will simply go away-job done-you will be sadly mistaken. Once power is obtained it is almost impossible to give it up willingly.
      All this nonsense that the powers that be, wherever they are, will simply tear up some agreement that took place hundreds of years ago is, at best, naïve.
      Would any sane, educated Scot want to live in a Scotland ruled by the current crop of troughers that exist within the SNP.
      I have said it before and will say it again, there is no hope for Independence until Sturgeon and her acolytes are removed. This can either take place at the ballot box or through the internal machinations of the Party. Both look unlikely at present but as someone once said ‘a week is a long time in politics’. The problem then lies in who replaces them?
      Meanwhile Bozo and the clowns at Westminster lead us into almost daily crisis, similar to the incompetents in Holyrood.
      It is not looking good for Scotland at this time. A population who. on the whole, are unable to think for themselves does not help.

    39. Saffron Robe says:

      “History is not the past. It is the present.”

      James Baldwin

    40. Breeks says:

      Chas says:
      19 October, 2021 at 6:00 pm
      Jesus wept. Still banging on about Sovereignty.

      Please explain what “Independence” literally means to you then Chas.

    41. robbo says:

      Chas says:
      19 October, 2021 at 7:24 pm

      I want an honest, workable Independence for Scotland.

      If a 2nd referendum ever takes place the SNP/Alba or whoever will have to present the financial/economic case to the people of Scotland for scrutiny. Something they have spectacularly failed to do. Difficult questions will be asked and resolutions will have to found. Currency/Central Bank/borrowings etc etc.


      Aye so ye dae

    42. robbo says:

      That’s the typical unionist pile of crap we’ve heard for years Chas.

      Off You trot. We can use whatever currency we want- get it!

    43. Ayeright says:

      I thought No voters were also sovereign in Scotland? Or is sovereignty reserved solely for those that support Independence?

    44. sarah says:

      @ Chas at 7.24: there is a lot in what you say about the current SNP leadership and the lack of preparation for running an independent Scotland. Also about the lack of rational thought amongst the general population.

      The issues you raise have been answered in the document recently published and sent to all MSPs and Scottish MPs on 9th October. I think you will find it interesting and reassuring.

      It explains that a mandate exists now for independence; that it should be implemented first by a motion in Holyrood and then the nuts and bolts by a National Assembly comprising parliamentarians and representatives from civic Scotland including business people; that a confirmatory referendum would be held after a two year period.

      The document was published on the blog Yours for Scotland on 10th October.

    45. Ayeright says:


      A recently published document eh?

      “We, the Scottish Sovereignty Research Group (SSRG hereafter)”

      By the SSRG no less I gave up there.

    46. Tannadice Boy says:

      @Sarah 10:21pm
      Great Sarah. The epitome of why we shouldn’t go for IndyRef2 now. An excuse for the legislation that’s about to become. I am defending the women in my life. Its sad you are towing the party line. A woman giving away her rights. It’s OK you will get a party position. But you have betrayed your sex.

    47. James Che. says:

      It would make interesting reading for those that follow the good old referendum policy to put forward new ideas,

      Scotland has grown and changed beyond recognition since 2014.
      Many things have altered and not for the better .
      We have one man in prison, another dodgy attempt made for imprisoning a ex FM.
      We have Brexit.
      Umpteen mandates given to the snp,
      Missed children’s education.
      And more people out of work,
      Climate change.
      Insincere inquires.
      Etc etc.

      We have to change with the times as the vision of Scotland that was, disappears on the horizon and into Scotch mist……

      It is not always backward thinking to want to hang on to all you hold dear,
      But we must be forward thinking in how many different ways independence can be achieve.
      The marches are good, barrheadboys ideas are good, links to other bloggers are good, keeping people’s spirits up with cheer and song is good, grousebeater s wisdom is good,
      There are many positives,

      It’s just that sometimes we get the people kicking any new ideas into the ball park before they have spread their wings and grown,
      They scream and moan, but provide nothing new, no new avenues or ideas to help.

      do not let those psychological instances deter us. Recognise it for the reason it’s put there, as an obstacle. 🙂

    48. James Che. says:


      Women’s rights are being taken away, as is the idea of a female mother parent.
      The state wants to sex educate our children on serious gender issues that should belong in the domain of a parent.
      And tell our children not to consult with their parents,
      Why would any western state government want to take over the roll of any parent except if you lived in one of the countries our country always wants to go to war with, because they think the regime or wrong. And needs changing.

      So why is Scotland and the snp green coalition hell bent on copying that regime.

    49. Graf Midgehunter says:

      Ayeright says: at 10:49 pm


      “A recently published document eh?

      “We, the Scottish Sovereignty Research Group (SSRG hereafter)”

      By the SSRG no less I gave up there.”

      Yea, there it goes again, Scottish Sovereignty. Scares the s**t out of you and your other Brit Nat pals.

      It’s not like a referendum where you and your cronies at WM can jump in and “mould” it to your required result.

      Scottish Sovereignty is something the people have as a birthright, something you have no control over, you can only try to silence it.

      So you can take your Referendum and stuff it up BoJo’s ar*e.

    50. Hatuey says:

      “A Brazilian congressional panel is set to recommend mass homicide charges against President Jair Bolsonaro, asserting that he intentionally let the coronavirus rip through the country and kill hundreds of thousands in a failed bid to achieve herd immunity…”

      That’s right, “homicide”.

      And you’re right again, it’s exactly what happened here (Scotland).

    51. twathater says:

      At Ayeright 9.49pm you wrote
      “I thought No voters were also sovereign in Scotland? Or is sovereignty reserved solely for those that support Independence?”

      Is anyone here or on any other indy blogs saying that NO Scottish voters are NOT sovereign , there is no one disputing that but what you and your fellow unionists fail to see or are too stupid to see is that by WM and Bozo the clown denying agreement on a sect 30 order they are not only disrespecting and denigrating indy supporters but also yoonionist supporters after all an agreed sect 30 for a ref allows yoonionist supporters to PROVE that remaining in the union is the best option , no one knows what the outcome would be or are you like the rest of the yoonionists too feart to find out

      They have also done the same thing with NI yoonionists they have ignored their feelings and thrown them to the dogs , the difference with NI is they don’t care about NI because they subsidise them , they do care about Scotland because Scotland subsidises england and that would be shown to be the truth VERY QUICKLY

    52. robbo says:

      I think this guy must give off some heavy duty pheromones’ here. Is it just nuts their after or his nuts?

      Gid wee vid if you wait till after annoying ads before it loads.

    53. Breeks says:

      SNP absolutely determined to fire on 0 cylinders.

    54. Robert Hughes says:

      ” Mr Blackford added: “”I am concerned that there is a toxicity in our politics. ”

      Aye Blackfraud , how about detoxing your own Party as a priority ?

      Nothing toxic about trying to imprison a man who done more for the cause of Independence than the likes of you have ever or will ever achieve , and having failed miserably ( only through the good sense of a jury of * ordinary * men and women ) in that attempt ( like in everything else your Party turns it’s baleful gaze upon ) – * succeeded * only in putting that man through 3 years of hell- your glorious moral paragon of a * leader* continued spreading her poison about him after he had been found innocent of all charges .

      ” Toxic ” doesn’t even come close to describing this whole disgusting conspiracy , one for which not a single conspirator has faced any consequence

      The neglect of care and complicity in the hounding of J Cherry you have displayed is , like the entirety of the upper echelons of the hollowed-out shell of the once honourable SNP , beyond contempt

    55. Ottomanboi says:

      Scots seem like the English, get the foreigners to stump up the €€€.—england/
      The total indifference to who gets the slices of the cake appears not to matter.
      The Scots in their unimaginative utilitarianism are so very «British».
      For sale one country. Last sale completed 1707.
      Que porra é essa….as they say in Portugal.

    56. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Breeks.

      Blackford is woefully ignorant if he believes that we want a campaign for a referendum.
      What we want to see is the SNP campaigning for INDEPENDENCE!

    57. Chas says:


      ‘Off You trot. We can use whatever currency we want- get it!’

      I really should not respond to an individual who, how can I say it politely, lacks knowledge! I would say that do you really want an Independent Scotland to be held to the whims of another country’s fiscal policy? Do you understand what that means?


      ‘Please explain what “Independence” literally means to you then Chas’.

      That question is so stupid I will not dignify it with a response.


      The document you refer to is mince.

      In life it is important to know when to stop arguing with people and simply let them think they are right. Even when they are wrong. Life is too short!

    58. Brent Crude at over $85 per barrel,

      $15pb operating costs,

      that leaves $70,000,000 per day that should be used and invested in Scotland.

    59. Alf Baird says:

      Ayeright @ 9:49 pm

      “I thought No voters were also sovereign in Scotland?”

      No voters gave Scottish sovereignty away in 2014. Without sovereignty ‘a nation perishes’.

    60. Republicofscotland says:

      So Westminster has snubbed Peterhead’s fourth bid to set up a carbon capture facility, the technology to capture carbon was invented in Aberdeen. Projects in Humber and Liverpool have been chosen for the UK’s storage of carbon.

      Meanwhile Malcolm Offord whose now a Scotland office minister after being soundly rejected by the electorate in Scotland, but made a lord by Johnson, has said he welcomes the “good” news that Aberdeen has been overlooked by the Tory government.

      When are enough Scots going wake up and realise that they just don’t matter in this onesided union.

    61. Republicofscotland says:

      Well said that man, but for the love of God, tell your bosses at the SNP to act on it.

    62. Breeks says:

      I want to say I’m looking forward to the SNP being humiliated at the polls the way Labour was, and for pretty much the same noxious reasons, but the problem is the SNP has trashed YES and Scottish Independence in the process, while setting dangerous unconstitutional principles which you can bet Westminster will seize upon like a limpit.

      I’m in two minds about Cozyfeet Pete blaming ALBA for everything and anything. He’s very much “wank” rather than “good guy” these days, to use his own parlance, but the visceral hatred he has for ALBA is kinda weird frankly. He’s not going to convince anybody that ALBA is the reason the SNP have proven to be such dismal failures, but it’s perhaps an indication of how badly the SNP need a scapegoat.

      I very much like this article below by Mia. I take it it’s the same Mia who used to comment here regularly before she kept getting stalked by trolls, If you still drop in Mia, big thumbs up from me.

      I don’t know if I’m heartened or disheartened any more. The SNP seem more and more moribund and forlorn, and that might come back to haunt us. A reformed and refocused SNP would be infinitely more useful to Scotland than a party fractured into acrimonious factions. But this dysfunctional, corrupt, and utterly bewildering re-invention of the SNP feels more and more like a yoke round our necks and a monumental liability to the cause.

      I am greatly heartened however that both Barrheadboy and Ian Lawson, who are both team ALBA players, being augmented by Alf Baird and Mia, are now putting Constitutional Sovereignty at the heart of the debate, where it should have been, but wasn’t, from the outset.

      If you study how Unionists (and doubters), react to being confronted by the Constitutional arguments, they have no counter argument. They have nothing to set against the Declaration of Arbroath. They have nothing to defeat the Claim of Right. All they have in their arsenal is denial, as if it’s merely your word against theirs. Let this one sided argument be the theme of our Campaign, like challenging a Unionist to provide a positive case for the Union was back in 2014.

      I think there was a time when the status of Holyrood was ambiguous, and at that time, a timely Constitutional drive to enshrine the Sovereignty of the Scottish people into the very fabric of Holyrood would have set up Holyrood as the Government in Waiting for an Independent Scotland.

      Instead, particularly under Sturgeon, the very reverse has happened, and of all people, it is Sturgeon who has emasculated Holyrood and embraced the Westminster Parliament as it’s Constitutional superior. That is the biggest unholy precedent she has set, and that’s the crossing of the Rubicon which makes Holyrood “theirs” rather than “ours”.

      Accordingly, I think Holyrood will now be peripheral to Constitutional battle that lies ahead, when a Scottish Grand Convention / Committee / Senate whatever you want to call it, enters the fray, and uses this concept of a Plebiscite General Election to end the Union Treaty. I don’t actually think it needs the democratic mandate, the Union Treaty is breached and but our hand is greatly enhanced by having it.

      If I’m correct in my beliefs, with General Salmond steering the strategy, I actually believe a Plebiscite Election will just be the coup de grace for the Union Treaty, which when the time comes, will just be a miserable critter which everybody agrees needs to be put out of its misery.

      As for us footsoldiers… keep the faith with ALBA. Wishart cannot put enough venom and contempt into his description of us as ALBAists, but being an ALBAist will be like the wearing of a blue bunnet. Wear it with pride.

    63. Breeks says:

      Alf Baird says:
      20 October, 2021 at 9:55 am
      Ayeright @ 9:49 pm

      “I thought No voters were also sovereign in Scotland?”

      No voters gave Scottish sovereignty away in 2014. Without sovereignty ‘a nation perishes’.

      I disagree Alf.

      A No vote was just as sovereign as a YES vote. It just affirmed the sovereign will of Scotland was to stay in the Union. It did not forfeit that Sovereignty.

    64. robbo says:

      Chas says:
      20 October, 2021 at 9:39 am

      ‘Off You trot. We can use whatever currency we want- get it!’

      I really should not respond to an individual who, how can I say it politely, lacks knowledge! I would say that do you really want an Independent Scotland to be held to the whims of another country’s fiscal policy? Do you understand what that means?

      I really should not respond to an individual who, how can I say it politely, lacks knowledge!

      You really shouldn’t then .

      Hmmm- I would say that do you really want an Independent Scotland to be held to the whims of another country’s fiscal policy?

      This is an independence forum and kind of the whole point- NO.

      Follow your heart not your head- The head is fickle. The heart or gut feeling tends to lead to a better outcome.

      Get yir big boy pants on Chas. If you’re not up to the fight- butt out. What will be will be.


    65. Republicofscotland says:

      Breeks @ 10.51am.

      Breeks Alf didn’t say no voters aren’t sovereign.

      Breeks you wrote, “It did not forfeit that Sovereignty.” with everything that’s happened post 2014, Brexit etc, it certainly feels that way.

    66. Hatuey says:

      Scot Finlayson says:
      20 October, 2021 at 9:45 am
      Brent Crude at over $85 per barrel,

      $15pb operating costs,

      that leaves $70,000,000 per day that should be used and invested in Scotland.


      I’m sick of the boom and bust nature of oil and energy generally. Time to nationalise the lot, wind, gas, oil, everything. Energy has intrinsic value and usefulness, regardless of market value, and it’s too important to be left in the claws of vultures.

      If the country belongs to the people, and it does, then the resources do too.

      It’s beyond absurd that in an energy rich country like Scotland, many people need to choose between heating and feeding their kids.

      That’s the stuff we should be talking about. I’m sick hearing about this woke crap and about the claim of right. People don’t give a fuck about any of it, and they’re right not to give a fuck.

    67. James Che. says:

      Our sovereignty had been included in a discussion between myself and old labour snp members in 2017,

      The snp thought back then that Scots sovereignty should lye with the snp and the Scottish government,

      One of those snp whom believed this was a mr Stevenson.
      Himself and the ex – labour snp lady accompanying him both disagreed with my spouse and I that it should remain as it had been for hundreds of years, WITH THE SCOTS.

      With that knowledge in mind, it seems to be emerging with the latest politics from the Scottish government that if they cannot own legal they are attempting to steal it.

      When it seemed like I might be crazy over the covid issue a few months ago,
      At the forefront of my mind had been our Scottish sovereignty.
      At the beginning of the pandenic Nicola Sturgeon had said in a interview that lock down could only be advisory in Scotland as the people were sovereign.

      However by this year not only had the Scottish government stopped spouting “ it can only be advisory in Scotland “, she had taken it upon herself to become a tzar of covid and imposed police action or finds, now she on full mode of control of Scots sovereignty by bringing in vaccines passports, injections for young people. And the list continues.

      I was well aware that the snp wanted our ( the people’s ) sovereignty for parliament and had that in mind since early 2017, and I knew the steal would happen by devious methods after what I saw what happened to AS and CM,
      I am left in NO doubt that the SNP think they are the owners of our sovereignty.

      It was time to speak out.

      It has become a driving force to make sure the Scots know they own their sovereignty, not the Scottish government, not the snp, not the treaty of the union nor BJ,

      When we see NS and green goblins enforcing damaging legislation on the Scots in Scotland including hate speech, gender issues, and taken over controlling the freedoms of sovereign Scots Through Westminster covid rules,
      It worries me no end that the snp no longer say, “ In Scotland it can be only advisory “

    68. sarah says:

      @ Tannadice Boy at 10.57 “I am defending the women in my life.. pity to see you toeing the party line…”.

      Eh? Nothing could be further from the truth. I tried to educate my SNP branch on the gender issue, but failed. I have donated to many of the fundraisers opened for the women who have been attacked for their adherence to biological reality e.g. Sarah Phillimore and Marion Millar.

      I don’t know what I said that would make you think otherwise! My btl post was about the document that lays out the easy steps that can be taken right now to regain independence!!

    69. James Che. says:

      At what point do we become owned by the snp,
      At what point do we realise that the singular most important right we have is sovereignty.
      Sovereignty, It appears to be extremely important.

      Enough for the Scottish government to want to own it for the Scottish parliament,
      And important enough for the “ No “ side to want us to shut up about it.

      So a big issue, it is important to every Scot should know they own it, before it is stolen.

    70. James Che. says:


      At least you have tried to make the snp listen, well done.

    71. James Che. says:


      Although like many others here I no longer have faith in waiting for abstract manipulated referendum that is arranged by Westminster or the snp whom are willing to use detrimental legislation against the Scots.

    72. Robert Graham says:

      Patel is asking for update on jabbing by needle outbreaks

      I guess the Irony has passed her and the reporters bye

      I guess there is going to be a worldwide shortage of needles due to the amount being used, to solve this shortage I guess a quick wash will do the trick Ha Ha

    73. James Che. says:

      Not so many posts back I mentioned that I thought there would eventually only be one of two methods for Westminster to deal with the Scots wanting independence.
      They would either have to do BJ agreeing thoughts to exterminate the Scots or allow a fixed referendum.

      I think the referendum will happen as they look better and have more control of the outcome.
      I see the mirror running a story about a referendum in connection with the climate change meetings in Glasgow.
      I suspect they will try keep all cameras away from Scots flags and banners on that day.
      So the mirror may have forwarded the establishment.

    74. James Che. says:

      “So the mirror may have for warned the establishment.”

    75. sarah says:

      @ James Che: thanks for the moral support!

      Re having no faith in a referendum: I agree and had a letter on that subject printed by The National some months ago.

      The referendum included in the Research Group’s Plan of Action is a confirmatory one, two years after the declaration of independence. I see on Crossgate Centre’s twitter that the SNP 1997 manifesto took the same view i.e. a majority of MPs would mean immediate negotiations with Westminster for transition – they expected it would take 6-12 months, followed by a vote.

    76. James Che. says:

      We need to support each other if we have the one aim, Scottish independence.
      As I was trying to say but maybe messed it up,

      Not many people have any faith left in the snp, for a fair referendum or for them to negotiate on our behalf as they have displayed over the last few years animosity and bias towards their own people in Scotland.

      From a personal point of view I stopped believing in their motives when they argued that sovereignty should lye with the Scottish Parliament rather than the Scots themselves.

      That does not take away the appreciation for the likes of yourself whom is still fighting for our rights from a different platform,
      We are all on the same sea, just in different boats.

    77. Republicofscotland says:

      The anti-Scottish hostile entity, and staging post, the Scotland Office, of which just about anyone whose anti-Scottish independence can be parachuted into at a moments notice, which allows them a say on Scotland, has new Lead Non-Executive Director in the shape of former Labour MP Tom Harris.

    78. sarah says:

      @ James Che: it’s my day for not making myself clear! I have had no faith in SNP for some time – the manipulation of the party’s internal democracy, the failure to accept that SNP 1 and 2 was clearly wrong – and no faith in NS due to the continual blocks being put by her on giving the voters a chance to express their view on independence.

      I stuck in the party to try to change things from the inside but it became obvious that they are getting worse so I resigned before the election so that I could campaign for a Super-Max majority i.e. second vote for Alba.

    79. Breeks says:

      Republicofscotland says:
      20 October, 2021 at 1:30 pm

      Breeks you wrote, “It did not forfeit that Sovereignty.” with everything that’s happened post 2014, Brexit etc, it certainly feels that way.

      Forced to agree, but it does my head in. If you don’t stand firm in defence of your sovereignty, then colonial governments like Westminster will take you to the cleaners. They’re not going to piss about while you take forever to get your act together.

      I’ve said it before… They whole unconstitutional dogs breakfast of Devolution was proof that Scotland’s Constitutional guardians, whoever they were, had taken their eye off the ball, and allowed foreign doctrines of Parliamentary sovereignty to encroach in areas where they formerly had no jurisdiction and establish a colonial beachhead in Edinburgh. Westminster has been quietly turning that screw since 1998, and Scotland’s “Governments” have been dumb enough, docile enough, or compliant enough, to go along with the fallacy.

      We’re not losing sovereignty, we’re giving it away without knowing what we’re doing, because we’re led by Constitutionally illiterate charlatans like Sturgeon, who are fully indoctrinated to believe the Unionist narrative, and surprise, surprise, it’s led us to Section 30, a minor clause in the small ‘c’ constitution of a minor devolved assembly, but it’s being allowed to overrule the Sovereign Constitutional Rights of Scotland. Generation upon generation of Scottish ancestors who stood and fought for Scotland’s right to exist must be turning in their graves.

      The saving grace however, I think, is that Scotland’s Constitutional status as Sovereign is not alterable by either Westminster, or Westminster’s puppet Assembly, Holyrood, nor any troop of imbeciles contained therein.

      It also touches upon what Alf Baird was saying earlier… you cannot vote away your sovereignty. One generation of Scots cannot vote away the Constitutional birthright to all future generations of Scots.

      Robert Peffers once commented about sovereignty when either king died or abdicated the sovereignty, the sovereignty was unaltered, but it instantaneously jumped to the next in line so that the instant the sovereign abdicated sovereignty they were no longer sovereign but someone else was.

      It’s all contained in the English expression, “The king is dead. Long live the King”.

      So there are now two arguments to contend with… Could the population of Scotland vote to abdicate it’s sovereignty? Well no, because even if there’s a debate to be had about whether a No vote is still sovereign, you can be certain every YES voter hasn’t renounced their sovereignty, and the Scottish Constitution declares for so long as there a hundred of us less alive, the sovereign Nation of Scotland is quorate.

      So worst case scenario, if you vote NO, arguably (I don’t agree you are), but say you’re voting away your sovereignty, you’re not voting away mine.

    80. Republicofscotland says:

      Excerpts (historical etc) that prove beyond doubt that Scotland is a nation within a union, and that its people (Scots) are sovereign.,subject%20to%20the%20consent%20of%20the%20people.%20%5B15%5D

      Also the GRA allows Northern Ireland to hold a reunification referendum every seven years. Westminster cannot stop NI uniting with the RoI, if people vote for it, just as they can’t stop Scotland from leaving the union.

    81. Republicofscotland says:

      On Scottish sovereignty which there has been much debate about, I hope this puts it to bed once and for all.

      “2012 – The Claim of Right was debated in the Scottish Parliament to allow MSPs to re-endorse the claims of the sovereignty of the Scottish people. At the time the then Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon called on all parties to “recommit” to its principles.”

      “2018 – Westminster debates Scotland’s Claim of Right and the motion is resolved unopposed.”

    82. James Che. says:


      Like I mentioned, we are on the same sea in different boats heading for the same destination and shore,
      No one of us is identical, which is a good thing.
      And there are more of us than the opposition let on. Although they have tried to fracture us,
      We are still here 300 years on.

    83. Graf Midgehunter says:

      Breeks says: at 3:34 pm

      Republicofscotland says:
      20 October, 2021 at 1:30 pm

      “Breeks you wrote, “It did not forfeit that Sovereignty.” with everything that’s happened post 2014, Brexit etc, it certainly feels that way.
      The saving grace however, I think, is that Scotland’s Constitutional status as Sovereign is not alterable by either Westminster, or Westminster’s puppet Assembly, Holyrood, nor any troop of imbeciles contained therein.

      It also touches upon what Alf Baird was saying earlier… you cannot vote away your sovereignty. One generation of Scots cannot vote away the Constitutional birthright to all future generations of Scots.”

      This is the crux of Sovereignty. The people have it and cannot give it away.

      A Scot is born with a birthright and retains it until he/she dies. It is the one thing that WM or the SG/SNP has no control over.

      The SG/SNP are only the representatives of the people by virtue of an election.

      King Wilhelm of Orange was accepted as King of England only when he agreed to lend his God given, Divine Right of Sovereignty to the English Parliament.

      He didn’t lose it because he couldn’t sign or give it away, he loaned it out. Betty is the Sovereign but doesn’t use it (At least not openly as we’ve found out in recent years).

    84. James Che. says:


      The links are appreciated, as I like a few others are not wizards of the computer,
      And we in a better place with the backup of connective links.

      Sovereignty as a Scot is the underlying Principle and sound foundation that all human rights,

    85. James Che. says:

      Whoops darn dyslexia and trusting spell checkers sometimes make the conversation just as bad,

      Hope the gist of it came through.

    86. James Che. says:

      Graf Midgehunterhunter.

      Indeed it is a generational birthright and cannot be given away

      However the snp had said in 2017 to my spouse and I that the snp would like that individual Scots sovereignty to be transferred to Scottish Parliament.

      I have no doubt that if we let it happen by deceit of the snp and green coalition we can kiss goodbye to any and all rights as human beings , as men, women, parents and children. To justice and open juries,

      We will become under the state and state owned, state education for our children in an idealogical context.

      Recognising our right of sovereignty above parliamentary sovereignty here in Scotland for the Scots will decide how draconian or totalitarian Scotland will or will not become in the near future.

      The Scots having and realising the meaning of their sovereignty puts brakes on any totalitarian government in Scotland, it also means we have the right to choose a new government if the one sitting acts against our people’s best interests.

    87. Breeks says:

      Graf Midgehunter says:
      20 October, 2021 at 4:46 pm

      This is the crux of Sovereignty. The people have it and cannot give it away.

      It’s also why Brexit was, is, and will be so important, because the unwritten convention of UK Parliamentary Sovereignty relies on the principle that the Union is a consensual Union, where Scotland has indeed “leant” it’s sovereignty. But Brexit, and Scotland’s unconstitutional subjugation contrary to the emphatic will of the sovereign people, blows the myth of sovereignty by consensus out the water.

      Brexit destroys the Treaty of Union, and Independence was there for the taking in 2016.

    88. Scott says:

      Breeks says:
      20 October, 2021 at 10:44 am

      I very much like this article below by Mia. I take it it’s the same Mia who used to comment here regularly before she kept getting stalked by trolls, If you still drop in Mia, big thumbs up from me.

      Totally agree about the quality of Mia’s article.

      Further to the Claim of Right Act 1689 mentioned within, there’s a clause contained within it that makes BoJo’s position as PM untenable, because he is a Catholic.

      “That by the law of this Kingdome no papist can be King or Queen of this realme nor bear any office whatsomever therin nor can any protestant successor exercise the regall power untill he or she swear the Coronation Oath”

      None of this Act of the Scottish Parliament has been repealed or amended, unlike the Union with England Act 1707.

      None of the amending legislation is viewable online as they aren’t currently available in a web-publishable format. Can’t think why that would be. lol

    89. Breeks says:

      Sorry, I meant to say Brexit destroys the Treaty of Union, and Scotland’s subjugation destroys the unwritten convention of sovereignty by consent.

    90. James Che. says:


      And just to clear the air, sovereign people cannot be in any shape or form accused of UDI, if they decide to set up a different parliament or vote as sovereign people on independence for their country.

      The two legal issues of a devolved parliament under the auspices of Westminster have been deliberately confused,
      The devolved parliament swore fealty to the queen.
      And therefore could be accused of UDI.

      The sovereign Scot however did not swear fealty to the queen or Westminster devolved government.
      We did not vote to join the treaty of the union in 1707 and have still not had a vote on wether to join the treaty of the union in present day,
      And the question should be avoided at all costs as it would be England’s Parliament trying to correct a serious error they made in 1707.
      The loophole by which Scotland avoided becoming signed into the treaty of the union.

      And yet we see Westminster let us the Scots remain and retain our sovereignty in the vote in 2018 going uncontested.

      Because Westminster knows that the Scots are still sovereign as Lord Cooper pointed out from England’s parliament which they have built their whole empire on.

      So by default everything about Britain since 1707 has been maintained through falsehoods, bluster and propaganda.

    91. twathater says:

      The problem we have is that we have temporarily invested our SOVEREIGNTY through a supposed democratic election in a shower of liars , incompetents ,frauds and self servers which has been the truth for decades , with apparently only one way to wrest it back from those self servers , and that is to hold another election which unfortunately we have no control over the timing of , unless someone knows a legal method we can utilise , (HELP us and Scotland lawyers)

      We on WOS have been pointing out and SHOUTING OUT for years that a ref is NOT essential for gaining independence , as sovereign Scots there are other avenues that can be pursued and won BUT the problem is not just lazy arse politicians who are ignorant and duplicitous it encompasses the MAJORITY of the population who have never LEARNED or been EDUCATED about it , and NO POLITICIAN will advertise the power we hold over them

    92. sarah says:

      O/T a fundraiser on Scot Goes Pop to reimburse him for some costs he has incurred in commissioning a new poll on GRA plus some independence questions.

      It looks like a good cause IMO.

    93. Dorothy Devine says:

      I have just been told that the new Superman cartoon/film is to feature a bisexual Superman – can anyone confirm this particular
      bend in the road?

    94. Dan says:

      @ Dorothy Devine

      I noticed that trending a week back but couldn’t be arsed checking it out as was really hoping the new Superman / personthing would be a Tesla driving vegan dressed in eco-friendly farmed hemp clothing.
      Coz if one is really super and concerned with saving the world then those things are more important than what you’re shagging.

    95. James Che. says:


      Just like all those before me, That was the point of my trying to to disintangle the fiction of the treaty of the union.
      The problem I have is I am not on any social media platform at all, neither is my spouse, to spread this to a wider audience.
      I am hoping those that can will,

      It must be pointed out to as many as possible that ( the three estates ) in 1707 did not have freedom of untrammelled sovereignty to act on behave on behalf of the whole of Scotland when it agreed to the signing the treaty of the union.

      And that Scots never voted to join the treaty of the union in 1707,
      Nor have they ever been asked to vote to join the treaty of the union to this day,

      The outcome of all these legalities is that the Scots are not in the treaty of the union at all and never have been,
      That the Scots and Scotland remain sovereign as a separate entity from the union with England.

      However those that supposedly signed Scotland away illegally and received financial rewards for signing the treaty are beholden to the old English parliament for falsely doing so. For falsely claiming to be in complete ownership of Scotland and its sovereign people in 1707.

    96. James Che. says:

      Invested our sovereignty in a democratic vote ?

      How real is sovereignty when acted upon.

      Well I suppose it comes down to,

      If we vote a group of people in to act on our behalf in the best interests of all the people Scotland and we have given them more than one mandate for our country to become independent and to do this for a number of years,

      Then we the people can claim they the group have not acted in the way we asked for, they are acting independently from the wishes of the majority, and not followed the reason we voted them in for.
      They have also bought in laws that we did not vote them in for.
      They have also joined in a coalition with the Green Party, which we the Scots did not vote for.
      Non of the above reasons were on their ( the SNPs) manifesto before the election.

      They have entered as into the election by deceit.
      They are not acting in accordance with the Scottish populations vote

      This is where being sovereign above parliament courts.

      We have the democratic right to dismiss them.
      And hold a new vote/ election.

      As sovereign Scots with the claim of right, to choose a new government.

      It is up to the people to arrange this.

    97. robbo says:


      Re superman thinghy. Yes it was on news few days ago. I saw the clip of Christopher Biggins saying it was madness and of corse that chube of a man Richard Madley had a go at him on GMT.

    98. Dan says:

      Hatuey says: at 2:10 pm

      I’m sick of the boom and bust nature of oil and energy generally. Time to nationalise the lot, wind, gas, oil, everything. Energy has intrinsic value and usefulness, regardless of market value, and it’s too important to be left in the claws of vultures.

      If the country belongs to the people, and it does, then the resources do too.

      It’s beyond absurd that in an energy rich country like Scotland, many people need to choose between heating and feeding their kids.

      That’s the stuff we should be talking about…

      Aye, it would be grand to hear folk’s views on this. I happened to be driving with the radio yesterday and caught 30 seconds of some incentives being put up for folk to fit heat pumps to their houses.
      It’s like groundhog day with this tinkering around the edges of the issues.
      Just like when solar was launched, there were FIT payments to make it more “viable” for well off homeowners to fit panels to their houses.
      At least solar panels were silent. Individual heatpumps on houses can create a load of noise with the resonance of the fans blowing, thus creating noise where it was once silent, and neighbour antagonism because of it.

      I pointed out previously that all these households taking on the responsibility for a eco device means they also have to deal with ongoing servicing and maintenance costs.
      Why the heck can’t we embrace the economies of scale and remove all this faffing about with these numerous installations with associated incentive grant costs and administration, and just supply all households with silent, reasonably priced leccy generated by the abundance of renewables we have here in Scotland.

    99. Robert Hughes says:

      ” Why the heck can’t we embrace the economies of scale and remove all this faffing about with these numerous installations with associated incentive grant costs and administration, and just supply all households with silent, reasonably priced leccy generated by the abundance of renewables we have here in Scotland.”

      Because of the hegemony of Neo Liberal/Capitalism .

      There must always be some Private Corporation/Business making fat profits , thereby reducing the amount of money that could – should – be used for it’s notional purpose ie to improve the lives of citizens .

      A system so obviously flawed and skewed to enrich a tiny % and one NSNP have embraced unquestioningly


    100. Dan says:

      @ Robert Hughes

      Aye, but do we really not have any politicians who have the ability to see beyond the current setup and make political capital out of the situation.
      So many properties are unsuitable to fit solar panels or heat pumps to for numerous reasons.
      If those in power were really serious about making a significant impact on reducing emissions, a strategy that made it easier for far more households to be included would make more sense.
      Here’s too wee Scotland, jist powering itself and still managing to export more than we are using.

    101. Robert Hughes says:


      We seem to be moving further away from it – to an ever more centralised concentration of power – but a true devolution of power to local communities is the only answer to the questions you pose .

      People – generally – know what’s best for the communities they live in , but rarely have the means to create them : or the power to resist what gets imposed on them

    102. John Main says:

      Dan – 20 October, 2021 at 7:26 pm

      “If the country belongs to the people, and it does, then the resources do too.”

      The reality is that some people representing themselves, companies, trusts, etc. have pieces of paper proving ownership of these resources, plus funds to employ armies of smart lawyers who will stop any attempt to take those ownership rights away.

      I am pretty sure that some kind of statute of limitations rule is pragmatically applied, AKA sanity. A lawyer can prove legal transfer of title from the previous owner. The previous owner will have legal transfer of title from the owner before that. And so on, back for a couple of hundred years until everybody loses interest and the case is thrown out. Nobody is ever going to go back to 1707 and argue that every title or deed of ownership in Scotland since that date is by definition illegal because that treaty was illegal.

      You can shoot the messenger if you like, but I would much rather if you could describe some plausible, feasible policy or process by which these ownership rights could be rescinded and transferred to some kind of not-for-profit holding organisation that would manage these resources for the benefit of the Scots.

      Wishful thinking won’t cut it.

    103. Dorothy Devine says:

      Dan,and there was me thinking all super heroes were asexual.

    104. Tommo says:

      That is largely due to the tight underwear

    105. Dorothy Devine says:

      Thanks Tommo!

    106. Hatuey says:

      Daft guy: “You can shoot the messenger if you like”

      I have no interest in shooting the messenger; I find his stupidity mildly amusing which counts for a lot on here these days.

      I also have no interest in overturning established laws when it comes to property rights and would suggest that the government makes it a goal to buy back those assets at a fair price, as has happened in countless other countries (and here in the UK too) when industries were nationalised.

      I have no idea where you got the idea that I was proposing anything other than the above. It’s the standard way of doing it outside of taking over companies in distress.

      That said, we all know that the Government can play hardball — through licensing, regulation, and even taxation — if there’s a lack of cooperation exhibited, although I don’t know why there would be.

      Do at least try to be intelligent in the things you type here.

    107. Hatuey says:

      Robert Hughes: “There must always be some Private Corporation/Business making fat profits , thereby reducing the amount of money that could – should – be used for it’s notional purpose ie to improve the lives of citizens .”

      I have nothing against the free market. I actually like a lot of what it does, but you’d need to be nuts to leave energy to the free market.

      The fact is the free market hasn’t worked when it comes to energy. Look at the number of gas companies that just died, leaving millions totally screwed going into the winter.

      Nuclear power is totally dependent on tax payer subsidies, as is renewables when you get right into it; the private sector only gets involved after the tax payer has done all the work and taken all the risks — it’s the old story, ‘public costs and private profits’.

      Oil is the most costly and tax-payer dependent of them all when you factor in the wars and mayhem that the industry causes, not to mention the environmental damage.

      There’s nothing free about a market that depends on bombing and robbing people.

      It’s time the world grew up when it comes to this stuff. And the time is right. Scotland could lead the way.

    108. robbo says:

      Rhona Grant is the thickest politician next to Oliver Mundell

      Debate Night clown

    109. James Che. says:

      I do not think we will have to worry about any of these things like power supplies or water supplies, housing once our world leaders have all agreed to use covid lockdowns and climate change and re-wild the globe to collapse our economies around the world.

      They already have a plan in place.
      To build back better.

      With most people being controlled with ID passports, face recognition, energy powered smart homes built to be stacked up in tiny spaces in cities and towns around the world.

      Your travel ability will be points based and controlled remotely by government.

      You will all work or live on the same minimum wage.
      And just like with covid, if you do not comply you will lose you’re low paid job and you’re state owned home, and face penalties an fines.

      The country side will be of limits to the city and town dwellers, and the circumference you will be allowed to travel away from home will be limited to you’re work hours.
      You will own nothing.
      And children will be raised by the state as sex toys and future slaves.

      You’re medical care will depend on you’re compliance with the state. And a points based system.
      Working towards a pension will be a fruitless effort, because the state will exterminate non contributing humans as they did in care homes around the world recently.

      Before “ BUILD BACK BETTER “ can happen in the future for the super rich and landowners in of the new world
      First they have to collapse the old system,
      the old businesses,
      The old family networks
      The police.
      The fire brigades.
      The NHS.
      The communities,
      The interaction between people.
      Local shops.
      Private access to the internet.
      Restrict freedom of speech.
      Limit and ban protests.
      No face to face personal link or access to local authorities and local amenities except by remote permission.
      Dis-gender individuals and produce laboratory children.
      All surround protection for leaders to separate from the commoner.

      For those that think I am being sarcastic or just joking,
      Tic of the ones that sound familiar to you in Scotland.
      Then tic of the ones that you are aware of around the world.

    110. Robert Hughes says:

      Hatuey .

      Agreed .

      That ” could ” is a source of hope – and deep frustration that it isn’t

    111. Robert Hughes says:


      The future you depict is a plausible POTENTIAL one .

      Nothing is inevitable .

      Having nothing might be ok . If everyone has nothing .

      I agree the trends are * concerning * . It’s all to do with power : who has it , and what are they doing with it .

      ” Same as it ever was ”

      ” Remain in light “

    112. Graf Midgehunter says:

      Just a reminder to everyone from a small, cold Nation of football giants. 🙂 (Not forgetting G.B. of course.)

      If your sovereign, why are you waiting for something to happen?

    113. robbo says:

      The city that black gold built. It’s not Aberdeen!

    114. Ottomanboi says:

      Glasgow welcomes the world, well almost, at COCKUP26.
      Hope the visitors get the genuine third world vibe.
      On the menu deep fried cigs washed down with tonic, the wine that is, a good coughing session and a zoom consultation with some GP, if s/he is not otherwise engaged.
      Glasgow desperately needs infrastructural investment, the sort that London (and Palestine) take as normative, so hope the begging bowl is well placed.
      Just like home…..alms for the love of allah!
      The SNP authority rules!
      LOL, LOL, LOL….

    115. Hatuey says:

      The sick thing, otto, is that they’re going to use Glasgow as some sort of post-industrial success story. The delegates will only get to see the 4 square feet of the city that has WiFi and a Costa.

      Maybe that’s for the best. An honest account of Glasgow’s crime, unemployment, and poor health wouldn’t inspire anyone to try and save the planet. The truth of Glasgow drives most people to drugs, drink, and nihilism, not environmentalism.

      But it’s the ‘London effect’ that I want to tell them about, not the fabled ‘Glasgow effect’. A decade of transformational Thatcherism was all it took to invert the city’s 300 years of industrial and engineering success.

      Who will be first to tell them the city’s name means ‘dear green place’ in Gaelic? Nicola? Boris? Or some authentic Glaswegian asswipe with a “like me, like me” west end accent?

      Can anyone imagine a more negative motto for a city than;


      If we are going to be morbid assholes, we should at least update it. Here’s my suggestion for a new motto;

      “Here’s the father that never worked, here’s the son that’s truly fucked, here’s the daughter that never hoped, here’s the mum that never coped…”

      Welcome to Glasgow.

    116. Republicofscotland says:

      “Can anyone imagine a more negative motto for a city than;”



      Believe it or not Hatuey the above are siad to be the miracles of St Kentigern or as he was better known in Glasgow, (once called Cathures) St Mungo or just Mungo who’s crypt can be found in High Kirk, near the main Necorpolis in Glasgow.

      A wee bit of info.

      “St Mungo is the patron saint of Glasgow. Ever since he settled there in the 6th century, stories of his life give him a mythical status. He brought a robin back to life, brought a fire to life from a hazel tree branch, and was gifted a handbell by the Pope. His most famous legend is the ring and the fish. A Queen formed a close relationship with a knight, and gifted her ring given to her by the King. The King found out, and while out hunting, removed ring as the knight was sleeping, and threw it into the River Clyde. Back at the castle, the King demanded the ring from his Queen, threatening her life. She pleaded for ring back from the knight – but of course this was impossible. The desperate Queen confessed to St Mungo, who sent one of his monks to go fishing, and to bring back the first fish caught. He did so and St Mungo took the lost ring from the fish’s mouth, saving the Queen’s life and marriage.”

      “Today, the miracles of St Mungo can be seen on the Glasgow coat of arms, and all around the city.”

    117. Dan says:

      @ ROS

      St Mungo’s skills were of the era.
      In the late 20th century in a world full of numpties you could obtain legend status if you were able to revive a drill by holding the dark art skills of being able to clean up the commutator and install a replacement pair of brushes in a Black n Decker, or beat the spring and correctly fit a new pull cord into the recoil starter mechanism of a Briggs n Stratton mower engine.
      Being able to tune a carburetor properly with the myriad jet options also elevates one to Superthang status.
      The Pretenders even had a song about the latter… Got Brass in Pocket.

      Of course those internal combustion related skills are now being pressurised into being bad and redundant by the Thunderberg zealots, who think they can fix everything and even cut grass using a laptop or smartphone.

      But now, in the early 21st century, legend status can be obtained by managing to change your sex simply by using the power of thought, and sort out whatever the fuck the latest Windoes “upgrade” has done to you computer…

    118. Cenchos says:

      Glasgow’s actual motto is ‘Let Glasgow Flourish,’ which is pretty apt for a climate conference.

    119. James Che. says:

      And the road we choose to walk is our choice,

    120. James Che. says:


      Lack of self believe, lack of confidence, lack of an organiser,
      Is the answer.

    121. James Che. says:


      For a moment in time, for a specific event it may be apt,

      But for the rest of the year, or the disinfranchised. The poor, the homeless the food banks, the unemployed no so.

    122. Hatuey says:

      I’m vaguely familiar with all that, RoS. But it resonates in a deeply negative way, regardless.

      I go between east and west a lot in central Scotland, usually once or twice per week, and it’s apparent to me that Glasgow and most of the surrounding areas are deeply deprived and lacking economically, in both relative and objective terms.

      Even so, I prefer the west and Glasgow. Does anyone like Edinburgh? I can’t stand the place.

    123. Cenchos says:

      COP26 is simply a greenwashed lobbying bukake-fest for the elite to ejaculate their smug virtue onto the face of Mother Earth. Again.

    124. Breeks says:

      Republicofscotland says:
      21 October, 2021 at 11:16 am

      ….He brought brought a fire to life from a hazel tree branch…

      That bit actually has more resonance than you might think.

      Back in medieval times, people believed that bad luck or disease was caused by bad air or miasma. I don’t know the full details of the folklore, but one way to ward of this “evil” was to extinguish every fire in the village or settlement, and set a new “clean” fire made from scratch, such as rubbing two sticks together. Then every household would take a light from this new fire back to their own hearths.

      It was a kind of pagan tradition that Scotland shared with other parts of Europe, and called need-fire or neat-fire.,in%20the%20Scottish%20Highlands%20until%20a%20recent%20date.

      People think that “purification” by fire means burning everything to a crisp and starting over, but I think the origins of the purification comes from Pagan beliefs and superstition.

      But getting back to St Mungo rekindling a fire from hazel wood… it’s quite probable / possible this was Christianity doing what Christianity typically did with Pagan traditions… the same way they’d build their chapels on Pagan shrines etc.

    125. James Che. says:


      I like you’re assentment of the puppet manovrued NS, and in general whose side are the snp on.
      Of the the many times that the treaty of the union is not only in tatters, broken beyond it original agreement.
      but used as convenient hold over Scotland only when the Westminster parliament need a club to beat Scotland,

      The interference from a monarch that is not supposed to interfere.
      And the abuse of Scots laws being under the England’s Supreme Court as over seer that is a broken treaty.

      For me the treaty of the union today is farce, a one sided treaty that does not hold any water in the legal sense.
      But also the actual legal position in its origins is null and void to Scotland, Scots and its country.
      For We the sovereign Scot did not vote for our people or country to join the treaty of the union in 1707,
      Not then or now,
      It has been a presumption acted upon of the Three Estates and the Commissioners in 1707 that they were sovereign over all of Scotland at that time,
      As Lord Cooper pointed out in the court of sessions 1953 this was not the reality of their position at that time to even incorporate Scotland into the treaty of the union.

      Changing the subject,
      I am glad you are still writing and commenting such a good peace as this,
      You may have had to change venues due to the bullying of the trolls WOS towards yourself.

      It just proves the point of why they wanted to shut you down.
      You have written a good well articulated piece on the broken treaty of the union, and I am happy you did not give up.

    126. Republicofscotland says:

      Breeks @ 1.32pm.

      Indeed, I think you’ll find that some so called miracles often attributed to saints in the past could not possibly be explained, even events from the bible such as the Burning Bush, could be in reality be a natural occurrence.

      During Jacobite wars for the heart of Scotland the Marquis of Tullibardine, saw what he called the king of birds, the Golden Eagle, hover over the arriving ship of Prince Charles Edward Stuart (Bonnie Prince Charlie) he saw that as a good omen.

      On the otherside of that coin, when the Highlanders under Prince Charlie crossed over into England, (They thought England bad luck) to a man unprompted they swung round 180 degrees and drew their swords pointing them towards Scotland as if in a salute, Atholl who led a detachment, nicked his finger on drawing his sword, and it was seen as bad luck.

      Good or bad omens can often influence the outcome of events, the church and the saints have built their foundations and reputations on such omens and so called miracles.

    127. vlad (not that one) says:

      Suggesting priorities of the day:
      (a) Get Craig Murray out.
      (b) Get Nicola out.
      In any order.

      Keith Brown could do (a) at a stroke of the pen.

    128. Republicofscotland says:

      Dan @11.47am.

      Yes Dan, having the skills especially in ancient times to accomplish what would have been seen as impossible could I suppose be seen in a divine fashion.

    129. Ron Maclean says:

      Interesting post “That Franchise” by Mia on

    130. Breeks says:

      Given the number of blogs we have, given the burgeoning new media we have, where we have articles like Through a Scottish prism, isn’t there something missing?

      Where are all the interviews with all the flat tyres in the SNP? Are they being approached for comment and interviews? Are they being asked and declining, or not being asked?

      Do we, the people, need to attend hustings just to see a flop from the SNP exposed to rigorous questions?

      The BritNat media isn’t going to press the languid SNP for answers. Why aren’t we doing it? Get these charlatans in front of a video camera and ask them what the fk they’re playing at.

      There’s Barrheadboy, with three belting guest articles by Mia. Brilliant. So where is the reaction from the SNP to the issues raised? We should be pressing the SNP for a formal reaction, not just Twitter reactions, I mean formal statements, or all Hell to pay if our so-called Government shuns the interaction.

    131. James Che. says:

      Ron Maclean.

      Very interesting and well articulated. And recommended reading.

      Mia raises many valid points, and

      I for one no longer believe that a referendum on “do we want to remain in the treaty of the union” is the correct way to go forward for Scottish independence,
      Nor a valid question or method run by the same parliaments that have ignored the facts of and reneged on that treaty if it ever existed for the Scots.

      Or with/by the monarchs approvel of a referendum by the same said monarchs that have interfered and help break the treaty of the union articles.

      I am more inclined than ever to think that we the Scots are not in a treaty with England since 1707.
      I am also of the opinion that if Westminster continue to contrive we were, they themselves have demolished it legal context and meaning from its original.
      For if it is a treaty between TWO countries, that Westminster wished to abide by as a legal reason for Britain to exist.
      Why does Westminster think it inherited both sides of the treaty.
      It did not.
      But thinks it did.
      The reflection on Westminster parliament and politicians to suppose it owns both treaty’s, The Scots side of the treaty and England’s side of the is based on arrogance. Rather than reality.
      For if it purely belong to England they would not have needed to agree to a treaty with Scotland in the first instance.
      The treaty if exists is legal for both Scotland and England kingdoms of old, except for one small hiccup.
      The monarch of Scotland did not sign over his kingdom into a treaty with England in 1707.

      1) because the Scottish monarch had fled out of the country, so did not agree to it.

      2) because the Three Estates and the commissioners were not sovereign in 1707.

      3) The monarchy had signed its sovereignty over to the Scots as a people and a nation under the Declaration of Arbroath, which has never been retracted.

      4) it cannot be retracted unless the Scots wish to hand their legal sovereignty back personally as individuals..

    132. Breeks says:

      James Che. says:
      21 October, 2021 at 3:14 pm

      3) The monarchy had signed its sovereignty over to the Scots as a people and a nation under the Declaration of Arbroath, which has never been retracted…

      Not exactly disagreeing with you, but back in 2014 I was picked up for saying something similar, and it was pointed out to me that Scotland’s kings didn’t have a history of typical sovereignty, but rather they had always been put into office and kept there by the will of the people. There’s a word for it he used, but I just can’t remember what it was.

      Scotland was never part of the fold which suddenly deviated from convention and chose a different path, things here had always been done differently. The Declaration of Arbroath didn’t invent the principle, but simply got it right for the way it was.

    133. James Che. says:

      The closet answer I can supply is that the snp avoid the “ yes” movement and deep questioning like we have the recent virus, like the yes movement are scum or dirt.

      They have a deep fear of being found out for wearing the wrong coat. So far as they can they avoid being questioned by the real public.
      If they were on the same trench as the rest of us they would not have disassociated themselves from their membership and blocked us as Mr Murrells did.

      We know they are not with us, we know we are no longer able to protest at Holyrude when the public do not agree,
      We know they have cordoned themselves off from the Scots nation and country,
      We therefore know they are not going to Do interviews.

      We would be better calling them out in public on social media until it gets their goat,
      We can also mount a champeign for “ The Sovereign Scots say SNP/ greens coalition OUT” on social Media. Seeing as that was not the result of our last election vote.

      There are many good bloggers, with excellent well articulated articles and facts.
      These need to be shared and reposted to as many as possible, as that is the option media available to us.

      If anyone here can give advise to those of us not computer literate how to post, copy and paste and submit, how to join twitter or Facebook and spread the real message further.
      For it is us by helping each other, by supporting each other, by writing articles that will eventually bypass the MSM media obstacles and the the SNPs revulsion to being interviewed by the Yes movement.

      When they become aware how tenuous their position actually is with the public.
      For at the present the MSM is protecting them from any verbal comments or opinions of the YES movement.

    134. James Che. says:


      You’re point may be more accurate and I would cheeky enough to ask that it is more historically put into context for myself and many others here to understand.

      However as you say the result got it right for the Scottish people.

      Unless you think that may be wrong too.
      I am always willing to learn.

    135. Scott says:

      James Che. says:
      21 October, 2021 at 3:57 pm

      If anyone here can give advise to those of us not computer literate how to post, copy and paste and submit, how to join twitter or Facebook and spread the real message further.

      Joining twatter or facefuck is easy, so not sure why you need advice…

    136. Jamie says:

      Could this be a useful tool in getting out controversial messages that twitter will ban?

    137. Breeks says:

      James Che. says:
      21 October, 2021 at 4:06 pm

      You’re point may be more accurate and I would cheeky enough to ask that it is more historically put into context for myself and many others here to understand.

      I can’t as such. There’s nothing I can refer you to, but the discussion as I remember it was that Scotland didn’t have a sovereign as such, because nobody got to the “top” as such without the support of the various clans and clan chieftains, and similar factions in the church.

      In essence, that’s probably the predecessor of the three Estates concept, – rather than any ethereal or divine “appointment by God” principle, (as was common elsewhere), if you didn’t have the terrestrial support of particular people, you weren’t going to be king very long.

      An English King was sovereign with only God above him. A Scottish King was more like a managing director, and answerable to the shareholders, thus making the shareholders technically sovereign.

    138. James Che. says:

      Thanks for the explanation.
      So we can presume that shareholders = actually originally meant people,

      And as to the outcome of the Declaration of Arbroath for the Scots, Where does that place the sovereignty we are discussing.

    139. Republicofscotland says:

      “In essence, that’s probably the predecessor of the three Estates concept, – rather than any ethereal or divine “appointment by God” principle, (as was common elsewhere), if you didn’t have the terrestrial support of particular people, you weren’t going to be king very long.

      An English King was sovereign with only God above him. A Scottish King was more like a managing director, and answerable to the shareholders, thus making the shareholders technically sovereign.”

      Breeks @5.19pm.

      Yes, the church played a major rule in supporting the monarch of the day, in days gone by in Scotland, the church in Scotland supported Robert the Bruce to the throne, more in self preservation than in favour, especially when the Bruce all but finished of John Comyn in a church, that aside the king of England Edward Ist tried to replace the Scots clergy with an English one so the Bruce received their support.

      As for your second paragraph, that wasn’t always the case, kings were chosen on merit prior to William the Conquerer who was crowned king on Christmas Day.

      Incidentally the Bruce like William the Conqueror, is of Norman descent.

    140. Benhope says:

      Scotland`s cricket team beat Oman to reach the last 12 in the T20 world cup for the first time.
      Well done to the team and let`s have some more victories against the big guns.

    141. twathater says:

      @ Breeks 3.11pm regarding your comment that the bloggers are not getting the SNP planks in the room to interview them , or my preference INTERROGATE them for their lies and corruption

      I posted a comment asking Iain Lawson to set up and lead a committee of bloggers who we all support and frequent to DEMAND a meeting with Sturgeon to CHALLENGE her on why she REFUSES to use our SOVEREIGNTY to dissolve the treaty or why she refuses to set out a plebiscite election , even if she refuses a meeting it would inform others of her contempt for independence supporters and may even result in drawing attention from the meeja

      Iain responded that it may not be advantageous to do it now because we don’t all agree with each other re the direction of travel or how to get there , in other words some bloggers disagree with other bloggers exposing Sturgeon and her crew of frauds as frauds

      I responded to Iain with reasons why we NEEDED to do it , if you or anyone else is interested in reading the response it is on his blog

      I put forward a proposal a year ago , to produce a pro forma document that everyone could download and sign individually , to threaten Sturgeon and her SNP cowards that if she did NOT consent to a plebiscite election and shelve the GRA and HCB we the people would NOT vote for her ,naebody was interested I even asked the Rev to support the idea (silence)

      MAY 2021 Sturgeon both votes SNP won the election and has SHIT on everybody ever since , the ONLY way we will win anything is to get rid of her OR FORCE HER TO ACT and the only way we can do that is through pressure of numbers

      Iain Lawson and Roddy barrheadboy McLeod have PROVEN the PRISM WORKS and is educational , the guest bloggers they have on are stalwart indy supporters , there is NOTHING TO LOSE AND EVERYTHING TO GAIN by DEMANDING an audience , we HAVE to do something , marches are just ignored by her and the/her media

    142. James Che. says:

      The connections between Christianity and kings in Scotland goes further back,
      For it was incoming early Christians from the likes of Ireland that approached smaller clan chieftains and small kingdoms in Scotland asking for a piece of land to set up Christian sites

      Most early churches were built here with the permission of these kings, often on sites already worshipped by locals as their version of their god or dieties,

      Thus the relationship between Christianity, kings chieftains and churches resulted relatively early in Scotland.
      Today I still visit these places from early Scots history, that can be found by the descriptive explanatory place names,
      And I enjoy looking for the lost ones in history.

    143. John Main says:

      @Hatuey – 20 Oct 9:56 pm

      “I would suggest that the government makes it a goal to buy back those [renewable] assets at a fair price”

      So what would a fair price be? We are talking about all the renewable resources of Scotland, which is blessed with so much of these (allegedly) that it can be self-sufficient in energy and have so much surplus to export that we all be rich (allegedly). And this cornucopia will be limitless and endless as long as the wind blows. What’s this fair price then? What currency is it paid in? Who is it borrowed from and over what period?

      I asked for a plausible, feasible process. You tell me you have a suggestion for a goal. Don’t tell me you are channeling your inner Martin Luther King here Hatuey: “I have a suggestion for a goal!”. With firebrand ideas like that, you obviously missed your true vocation.

      “If there’s a lack of cooperation exhibited …”

      There may just be Hatuey, don’t you think? The owners of resources which are inexhaustible and therefore arguably of infinite value may well think their interests are best served by holding onto them.

      “Do at least try to be intelligent in the things you type here.”

      I am so sorry Hatuey, but tell you what. You go ahead and show us how it is done. I’m waiting but no rush, you take your time.

    144. Tannadice Boy says:

      @John Main 8:30pm
      Alex Salmond: Scotland is the Saudi Arabia of renewables. We never followed it through. A gross lack of engineering skills but more importantly a lack of political will. Little investment, little understanding of what needed to be done. A missed opportunity. Is it still there?. Yes it is but I wouldn’t hold out much hope. The structural and political outlook is adverse. We have failed policies deciding policy. A current FM who has the strategic vision of Mr MacGoo.

    145. Fireproofjim says:


    146. Effigy says:

      On renewables, at Indy ref one there was among the many lies that
      made up the Vow a promise of £3 Billion for Scottish renewable investment.

      That of course was soon cancelled and now Europe’s largest renewables project is
      Off shore in the North East of England.

      The company who won the project are Norwegian.
      Norway won its independence, gets to keep all of its
      vast oil wealth for its people and now gets the profits
      from these wind farm projects.

      I presume there were no available Tory donor companies capable
      of taking on the contract that will aid England with Scotland chipping in 10% of the cost

      New Bojo trade deal with New Zealand.
      Who thinks importing their lamb will bankrupt U.K. farmers?
      Will the lamb be as fresh after sailing across 12,000 miles.
      Is all that diesel fuel for a trip half way around the globe carbon friendly?
      How can it be NZ farmers can pay such massive transport costs and under cut U.K. prices.
      When U.K. farmers pack up, will NZ lamb go up substantially in price?

    147. Hatuey says:

      An angry simpleton in the cheap seats shouts: “So what would a fair price be?”

      There are reasonably well defined ways of determining the value of a company. Go Google it.

      “I asked for a plausible, feasible process.”

      You didn’t actually.

    148. Tannadice Boy says:

      @Effigy 10:25pm
      I am confident you have never made a living out of renewables. I have because I am an engineer. A degree in engineering, conditions you to retrain. Of course we failed. This has nothing to do with England. Nothing to do with the Union. The solution was in our hands. We failed to capitalise on the resources we had to hand. And policies that were designed to destroy the renewable momentum eg BiFab workers. I know it doesn’t fit the narrative. I could present solutions. Strategic and operational solutions but why should I?. When the SG can’t tell me who my aunt or uncle are?. We will never be an Independent country until we are capable of Independent thought.

    149. Robert Hughes says:

      ” When U.K. farmers pack up, will NZ lamb go up substantially in price? ”

      Yes , it will .

      A further question ….

      What will happen with the land * freed-up * when farming joins the other industries destroyed by * Free * Market economics ?

      On the eve of COPout 26 ( back in the kitchen Sturgeon , get that tea made ) we’re being told to hail the * success * of a trade deal involving importing produce from about as far away as possible , at the expense of our locally sourced produce .

      Green wash + Brain wash = White wash

    150. willie says:

      Harsh words Tannadice Boy.

      But oh so absolutely true. As for our engineering base, our manufacturing base, well why would you want to be an engineer when you can aspire to work in retail, KFC, McDonalds.

      Ah, who is like us. We are world champions, top of the league, best educated, free and of independent mind.

      And it shows.

    151. wull says:

      Tom @ 8.53: That piece by Robin McAlpine is devastating. Should we all copy, paste and send it to our local MSP and MP? Or indeed to every MSP in Holyrood, and every Scottish MP in Westminster. Of whatever Party…

      Then watch, to see if there is any take-up, and pursuance of the matter, by any of them. If SNP members of either chamber do not take it up, let’s keep asking them why they are not doing something about it.

      And if your MSP (whether constituency or list) and/or MP belongs to one of the other Parties, keep asking them why they are not doing their job. Why, on such an important issue, are they protecting Sturgeon and the SNP? Such ‘protection’ on their part does not make sense (it is neither in their interest, nor, as opponents of the SNP, what they were elected or chosen for).

      I know such a strategy will seem to many a sort of disloyalty to the SNP. But this is an issue which goes far beyond Party politics, or loyalties. Especially if you have a relative who died of COVID 19 in a care home in Scotland. Or, indeed, a relative who resides in one, and ought to have been provided with the proper degree of care and protection that she or he needs, and deserves.

      This simply isn’t good enough from the Government of Scotland, and if its Executive is involved in a cover-up of it, it is above all up to the Opposition MSPs and MPs to expose it.

      At the same time, it is also up to SNP MSPs and MPs to stand up for their constituents if or when the Executive fails in its duty, misbehaves, lies or obfuscates in order to hide its malice or incompetence. They were not elected to defend the indefensible. Let them know that we want proper accountability to be exercised. Put pressure on them.

      There certainly needs to be pressure put on Sturgeon, from all sides. The more the opposition piles it on to her, and scores tangible hits which (eventually!) the media cannot fail to report, the more her position will become untenable, even within her own Party.

      If you will forgive the Dutch analogy, you only need to breach the dyke a little bit, and then a little bit more and then – all of a sudden – the whole dyke will come crumbling down. The better the opposition does its job in regard to the current leader the more the forces trying to keep the dyke up and in place will lose strength, begin to wobble and, after one or two desert, finally give up. The more they begin to realise their own jobs – their own cushey numbers – are going to threatened by her maintaining her position, the faster and sooner they themselves will ditch her.

    152. Why did the golfer changes his socks?

      Because he got a hole in one!

      (Thanks Alexa!)

    153. Breeks says:

      wull says:
      22 October, 2021 at 10:21 am
      Tom @ 8.53: That piece by Robin McAlpine is devastating. Should we all copy, paste and send it to our local MSP and MP? Or indeed to every MSP in Holyrood, and every Scottish MP in Westminster. Of whatever Party…

      I can’t lie, I find myself glazing over just at the mention of Covid.

      Make a sentence which contains the words SNP, COVID and Inquiry, and I’m already running for the door, and knocking grannies and children out of the way to get there.

      It’s not that Covid isn’t or wasn’t important, but I feel there are monumentally bigger grievances we should be having with Sturgeon besides her starring role in the COVID soap opera.

      Scotland’s Brexit, unconstitutional subjugation, the undermining of sovereignty, the undermining of Salmond, the tawdry conspiracy, the squandered mandates, the crap Joanna Cherry has had to deal with, the Trans Nutter Infestation, the disappearing fighting fund, the jailing of Craig Murray, the Ferries fiasco, the Renewables fiasco, the Stonewall fiasco, the Schools fiasco, (which one?), and we’ve not even got to any super injunctions ye, and of course the absolute betrayal of Scottish Independence when it was right there for the taking… Ah but Covid?

      If we’d addressed her feckless incompetence and dismal leadership at a critical time in 2016, she wouldn’t have been in Office to bungle COVID19. We have all that we need to get the impeachment ball rolling, without listening to another inquiry and an Oscar winning performance from the Betrayer in Chief.

      We also have a Nation to hold together, and a Constitution to defend. And Sturgeon will find that publicity and exposure much less to her liking.

    154. Hatuey says:

      Wull: “But this is an issue which goes far beyond Party politics, or loyalties.”

      I concur. And anyone who says an issue like this shouldn’t be politicised is actually politicising it.

      Robin McAlpine could have gone further. It is alleged that Sturgeon broke the ministerial code over the Nike conference cover-up. If what Robin is saying is true, she possibly done so to protect the commercial interests of the hotel involved, putting those interests above the health of the Scottish people.

      The herd immunity strategy was insane and cost thousands of lives in Scotland. Many said so at the time and, like those who advised a more honest response to the Nike conference outbreak, were ignored.

      Sturgeon wanted to grandstand and take the credit personally for managing the pandemic. That was the priority from the start and it blinded her to the insanity of the UK government approach which she followed to the letter. Thousands died as a result.

      If she thinks she can now blame that UK approach for the failings and deaths, when it was her personal decision to follow that approach in lockstep, she is treating us with the same sociopathic levels of contempt that caused all the deaths in the first place.

      But you’re right, Wull, it isn’t political. It’s much bigger than that.

    155. Hatuey says:

      Breeks: “Ah but Covid?”

      It’s bizarre to me that some people think things like the transgender rights debate could be more important than covid. I won’t ask you to try and justify that since we both know it isn’t possible using any sort of normal yardstick.

      I have to wonder what people in the future will think when they look back at this madness.

    156. Robert Graham says:

      Sturgeon 24th of April 2020

      Life will never be the same again.

      A very dramatic statement just weeks after this pantomime started , how could she have been so sure this was a life changing event.

      The Scottish government has acquired powers all on its own without reference to the public who have elected this current government

      Did you a SNP voter vote for a deranged Green Party ? , were you aware that this SNP government in enacting emergency powers effectively has binned democracy and are doing what they want or what they are being told to do , also were you aware that they approached Patel to assist them enact a legal barrier between the public and our access to our parliament special powers were needed to do this , and the trusted SNP government pretends it was the will of the Scottish Parliament and nothing to do with them ,

      These emergency powers are due for review in September next year with the option of a extension without further consent being required and given the majority they enjoy with the Greens being bribed a vote of no confidence is off the agenda , how long is this farce going to continue ? Well who knows because democracy is now suspended,

      All this for your own good and well-being you understand so just shut up and don’t even think of complaining and if you do complain who is going to listen ? That’s of course if you can track down someone to complain to in the first place , all this is too clever to come from Sturgeon and her little band of weirdos , so who’s pulling the strings because it’s certainly not her .

    157. Breeks says:

      I’d sign up to this.

      For pure devilment, I might even go a stage further… make Scotland’s part of the Union to be as “voluntary” as it’s described, and have it renewed voluntarily, – annually by subscription and a fresh democratic mandate that’s basically a twelve month Constitutional M.O.T. for the Union.

      Every election is a plebiscite, and there’s a referendum on the Union every year… which they have to win, every year, in perpetuity. If it’s not renewed, the default is that it’s ended and Scotland no longer subscribes to being a signatory.

      Make frustrating Scotland’s Sovereign Independence a three dimensional whack-a-mole game for Westminster, and a game where they cannot afford to lose, even once, but a game which Scotland can win at it’s leisure, and only needs to win once.

      I’d make every Bill which Westminster proposes require verification, and be approved by the Sovereign people of Scotland, because Scotland’s “consent” can no longer be “presumed” by “expedient” unwritten convention, but must be demonstrated, each and every time, with Scotland naturally having the right of veto, just like sovereign Nations in the EU.

      I’d revel in all of this, but devilment can wait. I’d settle in a heartbeat for the demise of the Union by the shortest practicable route. “Get it done”, to quote the Great Oaf of our time.

    158. Breeks says:

      Hatuey says:
      22 October, 2021 at 1:46 pm
      Breeks: “Ah but Covid?”

      It’s bizarre to me that some people think things like the transgender rights debate could be more important than covid.

      What I find a little bizarre is your convoluted interpretation of what I said.

    159. Robert Hughes says:

      ” I have to wonder what people in the future will think when they look back at this madness. ”

      Aye , me too mate , me too .

      Not just Sturgeon’s culpable stupidity though .

      The entire gamut of Covid-related madness

    160. With the NHS and care services at breaking point will someone please explain to me why we are risking a covid disaster by letting Cop to take place .Can it not be done online. Also Joanna Cherry has said that she nearly left politics over the endless abuse she and her staff get. And I believe the UK Gov are looking at ways to end online anonymity .

    161. James Che. says:

      Nothing will be the same again. And they pretty much knew it.

      Today I have chased around all morning for my hospital results for an MRI scan I had weeks ago,

      A repeat of what I did on Monday, when I was told to phone on Friday,…..

      No contact available with my own doctor, receptionist told me she was the only person there.and could check the records.

      So I phoned the MRI hospital direct , and got an answer machine stating the receptionist was not in until the 25 of Oct.

      So I phone the the inquiries line and got an answer machine saying if it was an emergency phone someone else number or alternatively phone this other number,
      Which I did.

      No one answered, a machine told me to use re-dial and there was a charge for this, .

      So still no one answered.

      It is not that the hospital are over run, or extremely busy,
      When I got my scan, I was the only one in the waiting room, and I sat for a while in a room with seats spaced out,
      The corridors were empty and devoid of people or hustle and bustle.
      You could hear the silence.

      The gentle man who took my scan said I could remove my mask, I asked if this was ok,
      He said he had been working in Germany and England during Covid and they did not follow the mask wearing procedure that Scotland was following any longer.
      And he said it was like stepping back in time when he started working in Scotland 5 weeks ago.

      It is simple a case of staff being told to take time of, or cutting hours, or take holidays.
      It’s crazy and a certainly would lead to nothing being the same again,
      If it is not being ran as a busy hospital like it was before covid.
      I can only presume the insanity of pretending the hospitals are extremely busy is a deliberate attempt to collapse the NHS system and build back better.

      Everything is closing and collapsing at a hurried pace,

      Meanwhile Jacob Rhys-Mogg tells the opposition benches that Tories in Westminster do not need to wear masks while in Westminster because their all friends,
      And the MSM have photographs af Boris and Carrie having relatives and friends over last Christmas while we were all banned from doing so.

      Do I believe that covid virus is being used politically to change Britain and cause failure to our old structures and way of life. YES.

      It also tallies with NS and BJ allowing certain selective groups to march and protest during Covid lockdowns, while the rest of us were being policed if we didn’t stay at home, No sitting on park benches or carrying a coffee cup allowed,
      if we wanted to visit loved ones or our elderly in care homes which were treated abominable with no protection or relative allowed anywhere near them to stand up for them. While covid patents were. And their human rights taken away from them.

      The whole covid virus is extremism and propaganda at its best, even the Tories think you don’t need to wears masks while at Cornwall BBQs or stop travelling to test your eyesight.

      It seems the politicians do not take it as seriously as they think we should.
      They continue life as normal, providing they can dodge the cameras. Mogg thought so, and joked about it this week in Parliament.

      Nothing will be the same again because the politicians want to change the system, and manage a crashed economy to build back better.

      Judging by those whom are suffering for this ideology, the build back better will not benefit the ordinary people.

    162. Robert Hughes says:

      James Che

      My local GP Surgery is STILL like Fort Knox . They hand things like prescriptions out through a side window . My friend ( a musician like myself ) has been unable to see a doctor to determine a hand/arm condition that is making it impossible to play his instrument : only phone consultations are available .

      At least his condition is not life-threatening . Think of all the other people unable to receive the diagnoses and treatment they urgently require . Because of the utter lunacy of the all-pervading Covid hysteria

      This autumn and winter – the perfectly normal seasonal cold/flu period – will determine if the lunatics have indeed overran the asylum .

      Judging by the ship of fools in positions of authority/control the prognosis is pretty grim

    163. Republicofscotland says:

      It looks like the vile creatures Laura Kuenssberg and Sarah Smith will be leaving their posts at the British state propaganda machine, the BBC, Kuenssberg is likely to go to Radio 4, whilst Salmond hating Smith, looks set to end up in the USA.

    164. Republicofscotland says:

      Another nail in the coffin of Scottish meat farming as Johnson agrees a trade deal with New Zealand that Scotland had no say in whatsoever.

      Secretary of State Against Scotland Alister Jack welcomed the deal, even though the Scottish government had absolutely no input in the sixteen- months it took to work the trade deal out with New Zealand.

      These New Zealand meat producers work on a a massive scale, they will flood Scotland with their inferior standards produce, putting many farms in Scotland out of business, and Johnson and Jack know this fine well.

      Also, I think the COP26 is a waste of time, a prime example must be New Zealand exporting its meat half way around the globe when we have top quality beef, pork and lamb in Scotland, again Johnson knows this but he doesn’t care about the CFC, GHG emissions bringing this inferior produce to the UK’s shores from New Zealand.

    165. Republicofscotland says:

      Meanwhile Boris Johnsons new secretive Union Strategy Committee has met for the first time, its remit to save the union by any means possible.

      Michael Gove has said no details will be released on the committee, though its thought he, Rishi Sunak, Alister Jack and Boris Johnson are members of the secretive committee.

    166. Republicofscotland says:

      Beaver culling in Scotland has been brought to a halt as a Scottish judge has ruled that licences to kill Beavers, issued via a Scottish government ran body have been found to be illegal.

      If I recall correctly at least eighty Beavers have been culled in recent years via these licences. In my opinion the Scottish government are woefully guilty of not protecting Scottish wildlife, from the allowing of the mass culling of Mountain Hares, to the slaughter of Ravens, and the allowing Grousing estates to kill thousands upon thousands of creatures such as Hedgehogs, Foxes, all types of raptors, Moles, Weasels, Stoats, and any other wildlife that threatens the Grouse chick or adult bird, on thousands of acres of land in Scotland every year.

    167. James Che. says:

      Robert Hughes.

      I can well believe what you say,

      I have a damaged liver due to a blood clot, which in turn was due to a delayed gallbladder operation, that swelled up so much it effected the organs around and caused these serious secondary problems with my liver.
      Covid policy of shutting everything for patients.

      I have a right to be angry, it was covid lockdown that caused myself to have a damaged liver,
      And yet here we are watching the politicians living life to the full when they think no one is watching.

      We had three funerals in our family last month, every one of them had been double vaccinated,
      And a forth one seriously Ill, whom has also had both vaccines,

      My mum has not been vaccinated as she is in the last stages of cancer,
      And I have not been vaccinated due to my liver condition, and yet here we are going to their funerals.

      I would like more than ever to see the statistics for the people whom dyed of influenza in 2020 and 2021.
      I bet you they have suddenly dropped since the statistics for 2017/18,
      To be replaced with covid deaths.
      Especially as some of the care workers I know say their patients dyed of other previous long term illnesses, but it was registered as Covid.


    168. Robert Graham says:

      9 Countries , Spain being the latest that have had requests to provide a isolated sample of the plague and not one has complied.

      Every single country has been unable to provide proof this plague actually exists ,the hysterical restrictions imposed are therefore bogus and the tests are fraudulent , because to run a test you must have something to look for don’t you ?

      AND THEY CANNOT PROVIDE PROOF so what are they fkn testing for ?

    169. Aunty Flo says:

      Have I got this right?

      The protected have to be protected from the unprotected by giving the unprotected the protection that hasn’t protected the protected?

    170. Republicofscotland says:

      Tom @8.52am.

      Thanks tom for the link.

      Its interesting that Sturgeon’s Scottish government suspended FOI’s on Covid in Scotland in the early stages, when no other country in the world has.

      Looking back on Sturgeons governments machinations and the Inquiry where Sturgeon couldn’t recall much to the best of her knowledge, it reasonable to assume that the carehome deaths disaster due to Covid in Scotland will receive a similar treatment to that of the Inquiry.

    171. Hatuey says:

      Breeks, it’s anything but convoluted. You explained in detail how you simply switch off when covid comes up. And you provided a list of things that you consider more important, transgenderism being one of them.

      I was tempted to go through that list and write-off almost every item. It’s a list of battles lost and essentially dead issues as far as challenging Sturgeon is concerned. The one issue that’s live, the ring-fenced funds issue, will be flicked aside in due course like all the rest.

      Thousands died in questionable circumstances. The explanations given don’t wash. The NHS which absorbs about a third of expenditure was found woefully unprepared and has essentially collapsed; we simply don’t have a health system today by standards considered normal just 2 years ago.

      I don’t see how anyone can claim to be moral or political in Scotland today whilst ignoring all of that. It’s bizarre. Time to calibrate your moral compass…

    172. James Che. says:

      Auntie Flo.

      You said right.
      It is absolutely insane as a policy,

      But how else will they bring in the new order of surveillance to monitor you’re medical records through supposed hackers,
      Monitor where you move to and from, monitor what you buy where you shop
      Where you’re children are. And how the state will consider you a fit parent or grandparent if you are not vaccinated.

      Because as far as I can tell in my large extended family, vaccines are not protecting them, and vaccine passport do not protect anyone either as they are a non- medical intervention.

    173. James Che. says:


      Mean while under cover of government policies and agreement, in Scotland hedgehogs have been culled instead of transferring them,
      Foxes are culled, badgers are culled.
      Deer are culled, rabbits and hares are culled.
      Grey squirrels are culled.
      And Scottish wild cats are being captured with no statistics for the amount released back into the wild. Or wether they have been nurtured.

      Funny old world where you try to eliminate the natural existing species in Scotland at present to make to make way for species that perhaps existed thousands of years ago in Scotland,
      All about priorities and finances.

      Of course we the population of Scotland are not consulted. As it is a global policy to rewild the globe.
      Not a Scottish one,

      In fact the MSM has reported that BJ has recent spoken on how he would like dinosaurs again. If genetically possible.

      Now where do the farmers, the crofters, and the people fit into the picture.
      they don’t
      I suspect the people in care homes may already have been culled,
      Perhaps they will save us as frozen meat when they introduce the carnivores to Scotland whom will have nothing else to eat that already hasn’t been culled. 😉

    174. Robert Hughes says:

      James Che

      Sorry to learn of your personal situation and that of your family : I believe it is being replicated all over the country .

      I hope you are able to get the treatment you require ASAP and go on to make a full recovery .

      The Covid * debate * raged here ( and elsewhere ) for months as you know . No minds were changed , on either side , so I stopped commenting on it as it wasn’t getting us anywhere .

      Suffice to say , the eventual collateral damage will prove to far outweigh that of the virus . Not only physically , also in terms of the detrimental societal changes and State interference in people’s lives too many people are content to dismiss as * Conspiracy Theorising * despite the palpable evidence all around them .

    175. James Che. says:

      The ideology of re- wilding Scotland at the expense of existing wild life in just that, an idealistic money earner.

      The ideology of covid being a mainstream killer pandemic does not seem realistic when we see politicians wandering around carrying on life as normal behind the scenes.

      The ideology that wind turbines are eco friendly, when they are transported by fossil fuel boats from China,
      And that marine life is being affected,
      Crabs are at present sitting facing the new under water power lines in their thousands, they have stopped their migration and have stopped eating,
      America are reporting a very similar problem with crayfish at the under water power lines.

      And going green means trade deals with the other side of the world to bring meat to our tables that ecologically could be produced right here.
      None of these policies are making sense when we look at the larger picture.

      Everything from banks to the NHS is closing in our communities businesses and structures are set to fail,
      And without doubt this will bring about a financial crash if the lockdown policy is continued.
      Which seems the deliberate intention if they already knew it would not be the same afterwards and they had a predetermined plan to build back better afterwards, like BJ and NS said.

      So what does build back better actually mean and for Whom?

    176. wull says:

      Breeks, just a question: How are you going to bring down Sturgeon?

      Before you glaze over, try answering that question. In a practical and a feasible way, that really could work.

      It is perfectly obvious that opposition from within the rank and file of the SNP doesn’t touch her, and won’t get rid of her. She’ll only begin to feel the heat when some of her own SNP MPs and MSPs start feeling nervous about her, and begin to turn against her in public.

      I suggested a possible way of helping to make that happen. If you have a better suggestion to make for achieving or promoting the same end – in a practical way that could indeed succeed – I would be more than happy to hear it.

      And, in that case, very happy to ditch my suggestion, and promote and support yours instead.

      So, please tell us: How do we rid of Nicola Sturgeon from her position as First Minister? And when you do, please bear in mind that that requires getting sufficient SNP MPs and MSPs to turn publicly against her.

      So, that first question goes together with a second one: What can we do to get a sufficient number of SNP MPs and MSPs to turn against her? After all, that is the only practical and politically feasible way to remove her from office!

      Incidentally, I do fundamentally agree with you about popular sovereignty and the Scottish constitution, and enjoy many of your posts, without always agreeing with every small detail of them.

    177. James Che. says:

      Robert Hughes,

      Thank for you’re kindness.
      The way I am viewing this is how many other people have become longer term patients due to lockdowns and NHS.
      How many other seriously Ill patients patients have not had medical care continued?
      How many old people had any chance to contact their families regarding their incarceration,
      For that is what it was, a prison sentence with no jury, and no hearing, to see if they agreed.
      It was an attack on the vulnerable physically and mentally. And the vulnerable could have been abused, attacked sexually, verbally and physically during that time period,
      We have no way of questioning what our relatives died of during that time period they were isolated from the community.
      There has been systematic cover ups in care homes before and the same in children’s homes.

      In retrospect were naive to leave our families and children in someone else’s care during lockdowns with no access to see how they were being treated.
      And no investigation afterwards.
      I am having a rant for sure to day.
      But things do not have to be this way.
      Politically We must stop the snp from bringing in further problems to Scotland.

    178. Republicofscotland says:

      James Che @6.14pm.


      I’m all for rewilding Scotland with lynx and wolf, but not Brown bear, the lynx and wolf, were natural predators in Scotland at one time, the wolf keeping the red deer in check, allowing more plants to flourish and ergo creating a more biodiverse habitat.

      Scotland’s existing flora and fauna would not really be affected by the introduction of these two environment stablising predators, infact all raptors and members of the crow families would benefit from the predators kills, in a scavaging fashion as would foxes and badgers and smaller carnivores and omnivores.

      Its the Grousing estates that cultivate the land in an unnatural way, sterlising it of any creatures that might pose a threat to the semi-flightless bird. Of course our FM is either too afraid to take on these estates or she really doesn’t care about our flora and fauna, its probably a bit of both if you ask me.

    179. James Che. says:


      I have heard a good way to make deaf politicians like NS is to go on strike perhaps through the council backdoor of MPs,

      Keep all finances in safe keeping, Do not spend any of the money for bills. That way you cannot be accused of none payment.
      But withhold council tax payments until the local snp councillors, labour councillors and Tory councillors listen and and take it all the way to the snp ( NS )at the top.
      This is what I have heard rumbling comments on.

    180. James Che. says:


      Just watching the BELLMARSH TRIBUNAL stream 2 hours ago on YouTube.

      It is on about journalism .

      It mentioned political prisoners like Craig Murray and Julian Assauge.

    181. James Che. says:

      It was well known in or local area after the event that perhaps more than one large black cat had been released into the wild from a rich estate owner, when the ( new) laws at that time came out requiring licensing of wild animals in Britain.

      It was not the deer population that suffered afterwards, it was farmers sheep and lambs, Young calf’s, it was people’s pet dogs and cats that disappeared,

      The local vet had a scary meeting of it crossing the road in front of him while out walking 8 dogs in the local forestry.
      The farmers, the vet, and local gamekeepers all identified it as a big cat, actually by sight and by footprints in mud and snow,
      The way by which the livestocjk was Killed and often carried to a certain location especially in spring and summer,

      The local population of birds decreased, funnily enough it mainly preyed on hand reared birds like pheasant.
      It it is logical that a hand reared large cat is going to hunt easy prey before chasing a deer all the way up the hills and across mountains,
      The last reported sight of it in the locality it had remained in for 15 or so years was in 2013.
      Although the local American still took his baseball bat with him when he walked his dogs in 2015, after he had a previous scare,
      The local farmers had reported it to the police on a number of occasions, but the police had a mild consultation with farmers and really no back up,
      Although the vet had reported it as well.
      I believe there was a photograph taken by a local paper along side the estate wall, carrying a mature black& white cat in its mouth, the wall was a good comparison as the estate wall was and still is 10ft tall.

      I think if a vet of thirty years, gamekeepers and local farmers say it was not a dog attack on those animals I would tend to go with the trained opinion.

    182. Dan says:

      I’ve spoken to the local gamekeeper and arranged a hit on the rogue roe deer that continues to steal veg from my garden.
      It’s days are numbered now and someone sure as hell is going to get some very tasty and sweet venison after a summer of the beast grazing on my strawberries, raspberries, beetroot and beans.
      Tempted to pay for a day’s stalking and take the fucker down myself…

    183. Dan says:

      …Well that’s as long as BDtt doesn’t take me out first for apostrophe crime…

    184. Mike says:

      Life’s been very busy lately so just catching up on this.

      I don’t blame you Stu – I’ve decided to give up on voting. Seriously, what’s the point!

      All the best Stu and hope you find fulfilment in something else. Plenty of other things could use your no-nonsense critique and analysis.


    185. Breeks says:

      Republicofscotland says:
      22 October, 2021 at 7:19 pm

      James Che @6.14pm.


      I’m all for rewilding Scotland with lynx and wolf, but not Brown bear, the lynx and wolf, were natural predators in Scotland at one time, the wolf keeping the red deer in check, allowing more plants to flourish and ergo creating a more biodiverse habitat.

      I get the point about rewilding, and why people are concerned about scary big and dangerous predators.

      The problem I have with it however is people outside of Scotland can make the same arguments about protection for tigers, lions, snow leopards, jaguars, and every other poor critter who has evolved to coincidentally threaten the safety of people. There’s a degree of hypocrisy in expecting other people to save predatorial species when we’re not willing to do it ourselves.

      Rewilding isn’t an act of convenience. This is restoring our planet. It is replacing a natural environment to the way nature intended it to be.

      Yes, bears can be dangerous, and incidentally, Scotland’s bears would be European Brown bears, the biggest species of the lot, same size as American grizzlies, and yes there might be atypical casualties and tragedies while we learned how to interact properly with them nearby.

      But other people around the word can co-exist with these creatures without hounding them to extinction. People have done so for centuries, and they’ve done it without firearms or technology to protect them, or vehicles to retreat to.

      People can also co-exist beside things a lot worse than bears. Cobras, brown snakes, funnel web spiders, Salt water crocodiles, pythons… Scotland would actually get off pretty lightly if it’s only bears we’d have to worry about.

      The whole point of rewilding is resetting the habitat to it’s factory default settings, and whether you like it or not, bears are in the Scottish mix. It’s the wild… its not a garden for human recreation.

      Given time to mature and settle down, in a few decades, that reset timeline should change the way we see our own Scottish habitat, and we will very quickly be proud of our Caledonian bears, and find the prospect of Scotland without bears as unthinkable as Africa without elephants, or Asia without tigers.

      Did you know that Scotland’s Great Caledonian Pine Forest was it’s own mini Galapagos? A species of finch evolved into the Scottish Crossbill which is a species of bird unique to Scotland. How can we know whether Scottish bears, or indeed wolves, were destined to evolve their own idiosyncrasies?

      One last point too, as part of the tropic cascade in Yellowstone Park, the wolves helped the butterflies because the elk and deer started to avoid clearings where they were vulnerable to predation by wolves, and areas of grass formerly grazed were then free to mature unmolested, flower, and renew themselves, and whole wildflower meadows got the chance to grow, providing a food supply for insects and birds in the process.

      Apply that cascade principle to Scottish bears, and maybe the green welly “omnivores” who have overgrazed and emptied Scotland’s rivers of the massive salmon which used to be found there, will be “persuaded” to fish elsewhere to avoid bear predation, in the same way the elk and deer were persuaded to graze elsewhere to avoid wolf predation, and by their absence let the natural habitat recover, mature naturally and manage itself… (if it can avoid the bears that is)…

      Don’t misunderstand me, I’m not advocating bears being reintroduced to a woodland glade near you. We’d have rangers and bear patrols to contain those bears who roam too far where they’re not welcome. But you cannot begin to manage a creature if it isn’t there to need managed.

      And the last, last point, another feature of the Yellowstone Tropic cascade was that it was unexpected and largely unpredictable. 6 wolves changed everything. Who can say what the impact would be of leaving out the bears completely.

    186. Socrates MacSporran says:

      Bring back the brown bear, it could never be as wild, as dangerous and as costly to police as our own Blue Bear – Hunnius Orangus – which roams wild around our football grounds.

    187. Robert Hughes says:

      Breeks . I assume you’re referring to this incredible phenomenon .

      Would something like this not be infinitely preferable to allocating large tracts of our land to the huntin n shootin mob , that not only keep that land unproductive other than to profit a tiny % of landowners and their equally tiny % of workers , also kill our beautiful birds of prey and reduce biodiversity in the process ?

      I say ” allocated ” , inaccurately , it’s not like we were ever given a choice in how our land is owned and used

    188. Dan says:

      The Arbroath Smokie, and the Forfar Bridie are well established delicacies, but could the Alyth Bacon Butty get in on the act…

    189. Yes and lets have lots of snakes and while that’s happening lets have a few of the worlds most deadliest spiders brung into scotland

      What could possibly go fecking run

      T W A T S

    190. Brown bears running about our cities and towns, you’d be going to the chippie and some big hairy brown thing would be going for you, not to mention the other hairy things like pumas and maybe a few gorillas and elephants to make it interesting, and possibly throw a few alligators into the clyde to liven things up as the sharks we introduce would possibly like a little help to mastigate the people out dipping their little tootsies in the water

      What could possibly go wrong

      PS Certainly not have to worry about population control lol

    191. Graf Midgehunter says:

      I’ve been trying for years to get my girlfriend “rewilded” to Scotland, but she says she’s not going until they get the place back to its normal state of independence. 🙂

    192. wull says:

      Is Re-wilding Scotland just another strategy to keep Scotland de-populated?

      They used to pay people to effect their ‘clearances’ policies. Now they will be able to get animals to do it for free!

      Is this the kind of strategy that the new ‘Union Unit’ get to discuss behind their closed doors. You know who I mean – Gove, Jack, Ruth and Boris-on-the-Jon-stone.

      With the Queen failing, not-so-bonny-Prince-Boris probably thinks it’s now his turn to be king. In which case he will be looking forward to sitting on that wobbly wooden throne-chair in Westminster Abbey, with the cludgie-stone underneath it, and Carrie sitting beside him.

      The cludgie-stane which, I am given to understand, he and so many of his predecessors who have ever planked their a*sess down on that rickety old chair, in all their coronated pomp and glory, mistakenly think is the Stone of Destiny.

      Still, if Sid James and his pals were still alive, or had successors, that could have been the occasion for yet another ‘Carry On’ film – probably called, at least in its Scots version, ‘Carrie on Doon the Cludgie’. Which is where the whole of the UK, Scotland included, seems to be heading – if not, sliding.

      Meanwhile, the Union Unit will be continuing with its ‘Re-wilding Scotland’ programme. It won’t even have to lift a finger for it – or spend a penny – since other lobby groups, including supposedly Scottish ones, will do the job nicely for them. Just like the SNP will do the Union Wallahs’ job for them by preventing independence from ever happening, so too the ‘Re-wilders’ will ensure that Scotland’s population never grows. What a happy outcome for everyone that matters: the place – what Edward I called simply ‘the land’ once he stripped John Balliol of his kingship and declared the place no longer a kingdom – i.e. no longer a political entity – in its own right will be doomed yet again to eternal non-existence!

      What was Scotland will remain a lovely holiday home Paradise – ‘Oh isn’t it so beautiful, darling?’ ‘Oh Yes, darling, especially when we only spend two weeks a year here’ – for the great and the good of the people who matter in the one place that matters, Southern Englandshire.

      I’d rather see Scotland filled with ‘wild men’ than ‘wild animals’. ‘Wild men’ who would actually do something about the place – something good for it – rather than pussy-footers who are simply intent on giving it all away to whoever, or whatever latest-fad lobby group wants it, while they footer around doing nothing at all, except lining their own pockets.

      Why do we always shoot ourselves in the foot? Why do we have so many individualised self-servers who seek only their own good, and enrichment, rather than the common good of all Scots and the whole country? Why do we time and again self-destruct just at the moment when victory and, at long last, political liberty are there for the taking, and so nearly in our grasp? Why are we subjected to so much nonsense from everywhere, and especially from enemies who destroy all conviction because they have been subverted from within?

    193. Andy Ellis says:

      @wull 6.46 pm

      At the Alba party AGM for the Edinburgh branch last Wednesday, Neale Hanvey was asked a question from the floor about why he thought no more MPs and MSPs had defected from the SNP to Alba. His response was diplomatic and although he said (to paraphrase) that he knew some former colleagues were unhappy about how things were going inside the party, he could only speak for himself and that they must have stronger stomachs than him to stay.

      However much those of us who have seen through the SNP may dislike it, the majority of the party membership and it seems the wider Scottish electorate are still willing to support the party. I tend to share your scepticism that there is any “cunning plan” which will rid us of the current SNP leadership in the short to medium term. The only things that will deprive the Strugeonistas of power are either an internal palace coup (which everything we’ve seen so far of the craven response from office holders and mainstream members militates against) or some external political or legal crisis that forces them out.

      Those placing their faith in either are misguided in my view, as are those who appear to think change will happen from the bottom up with no party to lead the movement, that some mass uprising of the sovereign people, with no real focus or structure, will somehow magically deliver independence. I’d be more convinced there was any chance of that happening if we regularly saw mass participation in Scotland along the lines of la Diada in Catalonia, or if we had institutions outside political parties like the Catalan Committees for the Defence of the Republic, or cultural organisations like Omnium.

      I honestly don’t see the bulk of the Scottish people lining up behind some yet to be identified group which has any prospect of achieving our aims in a quicker timescale than a party like Alba could. How will some leaderless popular movement aimed at recalling our representatives from Westminster / establishing a convention / annulling the Treaties of Union actually work?

      Parties who have become used to power, whether the SNP now or Labour in the old days, aren’t going to respond to anything but an electoral kicking. Even if the SNP does lose significant support, as we’ve seen with the hollowed out husk of Scottish Labour, there will still be Nicola cultists telling us that hers is the only true path.

    194. John Main says:

      @James Che 3:37 pm

      What you write about Covid and the behaviour of the elites is one explanation, but I have a different one that makes more sense to me.

      I simply believe that the elites have daily tests and fast-track results, meaning that every one of them can be certain before they have finished breakfast and head out into the world that they are Covid-free. Think about it. If you knew each day you were Covid-free, and you knew each day that everybody you would come into contact with is also Covid-free, would you bother with all of the masks, distancing, hand washing palaver? I don’t think so.

      So why doesn’t our brave, independent MSM provide any insights into this obvious “one rule for the rich, a different rule for the poor” story? Maybes because to get the access to the elites they need to do their jobs, they get the same preferential testing regime.

    195. Robert Graham says:

      Just had a look at the most pressing problem on everyone’s mind

      Bears and the re introduction of different types of wildlife into Scotland

      Fk me gently

      Aye totally ignoring the Elephant in the room yeh don’t talk about it and it might just go away

    196. John Main says:

      @wull 10:48

      There may perhaps be a plan to keep Scotland depopulated, but have no fear, it won’t work. Unless the entire Climate Change story is a fable, uncounted millions of people will be heading north over the next few decades, and many of them will end up in Scotland. And before you start, this is not some rant about Scotland being overrun with people of darker hues. History shows that when mass population movements occur, each displaced group displaces another group, which in turn displaces yet another group, etc.

      Most of the immigrants to Scotland will come from south of the border.

    197. John Main says:

      @Andy Ellis 10:53

      Hard to argue with anything in that post.

      I would just add that the political cycle is getting shorter, both in the EU and in the USA, so we can’t rule out new players coming from nowhere and fast. The examples of France, Italy and Trump come to mind.

    198. robbo says:

      Seems thon Alec Baldwin has well and truly set up. With catastrophic consequences for that poor lassie and her family.
      Seems to me some disgruntled employee or someone with a personal vendetta against Baldwin stitched him up.

      Why would anyone load a weapon with live ammo on a film set? Why was live ammo even on a film set- Western or not.

      I’m sure the polis will get to bottom of it because they can trace that live ammo(in most cases) back to where and when it was bought, and by whom unless it was obtained illegally from dodgy crooks .

    199. Andy Ellis says:

      @John Main 11.19 am

      It’d be nice to think that we could see something happen quickly to change things in Scotland, but I still “hae ma doots”? I take your point about the shortening of the political cycles in various places, but locally I don’t see much chance of things happening until the next General Election.

      There’s next to zero prospect of the SNP or Greens doing anything to rock the boat and provoke early Holyrood elections, but I wouldn’t put it past the Tories to call early Westminster elections given the execrable opposition they face from Labour in the UK generally, but also because they know the Scottish independence movement is still stultified by an SNP which is at heart wedded to the devolutionary settlement and has no real fire in its belly to promote independence in ay reasonable timescale.

      The longer the Tories can spin things out, the greater the prospect they can kick independence in to the long grass for a real generation: they fear that the break up of the UK will cause the kind of profound political and societal changes in England which will not be to the advantage of their party or the British nationalist establishment they represent.

      Sadly the current SNP and those still placing their faith in the party are doing the Tories job for them. If the Labour movement in England had any sense it’s be advocating for Scottish independence, but that seems as forlorn a hope as the SNP being reclaimed from the Sturgeonistas by rank and file members.

    200. Hatuey says:

      No assessment of Sturgeon’s standing and ability to survive makes sense if you look at it in isolation of the fact that BBC Scotland and other British State organisations are protecting her and scheming to keep her in place. And the obvious reason for that is that she’s essentially a unionist.

      It follows then that assessments of potential threats to her standing and survival are equally affected by such pro-unionist machinations. If the BBC and others wanted rid of her and were inclined to give her a hard time, she’d be gone in 60 seconds. They’ve got tonnes on her; more than enough a thousand times over.

      Sturgeon understands all this and understands the importance of appealing to what they call the “centre ground” as way of ensuring her survival. Only if she is useful to the British State as a puppet that can keep the rabble in line on their behalf is she of any use to them.

      There’s nothing unusual or uniquely Scottish about any of this incidentally; you can find systems like that in place all over the second and third world. It’s technically a neo-colonial model. It works.

      Where does that leave us? In the absence of some unforeseeable events that change everything, the likelihood is that we are stuck with her for several more years. You can rule out completely any chance of her upsetting the puppet-master by aggressively pushing for independence — it’s not even a remote possibility.

      We are really left waiting for the centre ground to get sick of her and that will eventually happen, despite BBC Scotland’s best efforts. She’s really quite unlikable and useless as a political decision maker, so it could be 4 or 5 years rather than 10.

      I’ve assumed all along that Wings understands the above more clearly than I do, and it’s why he is throwing in the towel. It’s pretty grim. But I’m an optimist, as I have said before, and I’m betting on unforeseeable events…. The b

    201. Hatuey says:

      No assessment of Sturgeon’s standing and ability to survive makes sense if you look at it in isolation of the fact that BBC Scotland and other British State organisations are protecting her and scheming to keep her in place. And the obvious reason for that is that she’s essentially a unionist.

      It follows then that assessments of potential threats to her standing and survival are equally affected by such pro-unionist machinations. If the BBC and others wanted rid of her and were inclined to give her a hard time, she’d be gone in 60 seconds. They’ve got tonnes on her; more than enough a thousand times over.

      Sturgeon understands all this and understands the importance of appealing to what they call the “centre ground” as way of ensuring her survival. Only if she is useful to the British State as a puppet that can keep the rabble in line on their behalf is she of any use to them.

      There’s nothing unusual or uniquely Scottish about any of this incidentally; you can find systems like that in place all over the second and third world. It’s technically a neo-colonial model. It works.

      Where does that leave us? In the absence of some unforeseeable events that change everything, the likelihood is that we are stuck with her for several more years. You can rule out completely any chance of her upsetting the puppet-master by aggressively pushing for independence — it’s not even a remote possibility.

      We are really left waiting for the centre ground to get sick of her and that will eventually happen, despite BBC Scotland’s best efforts. She’s really quite unlikable and useless as a political decision maker, so it could be 4 or 5 years rather than 10.

      I’ve assumed all along that Wings understands the above more clearly than I do, and it’s why he is throwing in the towel. It’s pretty grim. But I’m an optimist, as I have said before, and I’m betting on unforeseeable events…. The best laid plans, and all that.

    202. Hatuey says:

      Apologies for the duplicate… the new iPad hates me.

    203. Hugh Jarse says:

      Approval ratings, or rather plummeting approval ratings are one way to see She/Her off.

      Sending old people with the ‘rona back to homes to cull the inhabitants/free up beds won’t add many % points, for example.

      The MSM can only offer her limited protection, they don’t have full spectrum control of the zeitgeist.

    204. PhilM says:

      There won’t be millions coming to Scotland in any climate change/population migration scenario. Northumberland, Cumbria, Yorkshire, Shropshire etc. are all sparsely populated counties. Why would they ever come to Scotland?
      It’s a lack of knowledge and a failure of the imagination that makes people think this way. Do people honestly believe millions are going to live in tent cities in Perthshire and so on, or are we going to build them hundreds of thousands of prefabs to keep them dry while they exist on their three potatoes a day ration?
      Yes, they’ll all come and we’ll all make do and mend, dig for victory, keep calm and carry on…
      It’s mushroom season about now, isn’t it…

    205. North chiel says:

      “ John main says @1114 am “ The trickle has already started John with many properties in the “ far North” being bought up by “ Southern Britons” . It seems that throughout the Highlands & Islands this is a growing issue with “ locals” being priced out .
      Oh to be an Independent Nation like Norway where you cannot purchase property unless you are a Norwegian National .

    206. North chiel says:

      The “ Russian Bogeyman “ issue being wheeled out again on the government propaganda channel this morning , with of course the usual “ smear” as regards interference ( no evidence produced/ “ doesn’t have it to hand”) in the 2014 referendum . It’s galling that senior SNP politicians such as Stewart Hosie actually “ buy” this guff including the “ Salisbury incident” ( so obviously a dispute involving “ criminal elements from within the Russian mafia” operating principally in London & Home Counties awash with Russian mafia cash ) .
      It seems that strategic “ dullards” within the SNP hierarchy are “ bought& sold “ as regards this “ Russian bogeyman “ propaganda , but shortsightedness probably allows them to see the obvious “ stick” to use against the only “ strategist” the SNP had in recent times . Mr Alex Salmond .

    207. Andrew F says:

      Robbo @ 11:22

      Much more to the point, why the hell was he pointing it at the director of cinematography and pulling the trigger in the first place?

      And how on earth did he manage to shoot two people? She was shot in the chest, I don’t know where the director was hit, but did he shoot twice, or did the same bullet hit both of them?

      Being the USA, we’ll never know the truth but we’ll be fed lots of stories.

    208. John Main says:

      @PhilM 12:21 pm

      “There won’t be millions coming to Scotland in any climate change/population migration scenario.”

      Thanks for clearing that up. We all know the MSM lie so I guess all the predictions are attention seeking, all the evidence is faked and all the video of populations on the move is just Hollywood quality CGI.

      And as for those posters on here, peddling their tales of houses snapped up by incomers, they are lying through their teeth.

      Those vast housing estates, cobbled onto the edge of every town and village in my neck of the woods are either stage sets or are for the indigenous Scots. You know, the ones who allegedly aren’t reproducing enough to maintain the population. Another lie, obviously.

      Phew, that’s a relief. Back to sleep, everybody.

    209. robbo says:

      Andrew F says:
      23 October, 2021 at 1:23 pm
      Robbo @ 11:22

      Much more to the point, why the hell was he pointing it at the director of cinematography and pulling the trigger in the first place?

      And how on earth did he manage to shoot two people? She was shot in the chest, I don’t know where the director was hit, but did he shoot twice, or did the same bullet hit both of them?

      Being the USA, we’ll never know the truth but we’ll be fed lots of stories.


      I’m not sure. Only going by the news reports so far. It hit the lassie first going straight through her and by accounts hit him. It’s all very strange.
      Whoever said that’s a cold gun and handed it to Alec Baldwin who I believe was the same guy who got shot makes it even stranger. Someone else has to be involved here.

    210. Robert Hughes says:

      John Main

      Yes , those people whom I ( thought ) I knew who’ve just recently arrived in Scotland after making a bomb * trading * in abstract money in Hong Kong and bought a £100,000,000+ property near Oban and are in the process of acquiring another 3 properties for Buy-to-let purposes and for which they’ll be asking top * dollar * in rent ( using a local acquaintance of mine as a proxy to circumvent whatever flimsy restrictions exist ) must have been mere holograms

      Damn , I could’ve sworn they were real too . C.ash G.enerated I.nequality of superior quality for sure .

      Let there be no doubt …..the Highlands are the new picturesque ,windswept hunting grounds for aspiring property tycoons , middle class work-from-homers and those seeking to escape urban areas aware their money will go much further – in property terms – than * elsewhere *

      Nothing particularly new in this but the scale is expanding and accelerating rapidly .

      No problem though , Sturgeon has time on her side

      We only have thorns in ours

    211. James Che. says:

      I am reading all the conversations emerging from all the different topics, and the thread that stitches it all to together is how little control, scrutiny or say the Scots are having on many important major topics.

      All the alterations of Scotland are being made by outside global ideas, and NS is supposed to be the gatekeeper of protection and help to make life much better for the people in Scotland.

      The problem is the gate is not only hanging of its hinges, it’s gone, and it is now possible to pass plain brown envelopes back and to.
      we have no protection from globalists that has a main principal idea of how to get rich fast and own every inch of the land,

      If we ever became independent, we are to tie some of our own concerns and logic to the top mast,
      The re-wild Scotland is a good example of pleasure for the rich ideology compared to reality of how Scotland was in the past,
      Before the highland clearances, the introduction of sheep, and economic migration the hills were covered with individual houses, homes and small Croft’s. And many tiny villages.
      The humps and bumps of these can still be found today, and we metal detect these old homesteads of the Scottish population that has gone, trying to imagine the surprising reality of how populated Scotland one was.

      If these populations were to return to the countryside with modern aids and help we would have a healthier population,
      And with encouragement from our government with incentives perhaps generations and their children could return to their homeland,

      But instead we bypass the reset button for a better standard of living for people and want to introduce carnivores that apparently lived here too,
      So the Scottish government place wild animals from other countries before the people Scotland from times past.

      Now from excavation of these old homes and small farms with archaeologists we can see a society that was not only more in tune with nature in their everyday life’s,
      But provided a habitat for species that are now in decline that coincides with with the old methods of farming, prior to artificial feed pellets, prior to slurry spreading, prior to GM crops. Prior to all land being drained with pipes..( which we now want beavers to do) take the drainage pipes out, simple.
      It has been the greed of rich big land owners and estate owners that created the desserts in Scotland,
      Often with their own saw mills on every estate cutting down trees on a large scale for profit without replanting natural trees that were once covering Scotland.

      Who has asked the Scottish people if rather than bringing in wild carnivores, would they like a small piece of land to Croft or farm in an eco friendly manner. Giving rise to a healthy population,
      A food supply, a replanting tree programme and help from the government to create natural ponds and dams,
      A population breathing fresh air and exercising daily.

      But no .
      By pass people in favour for a rich global playground, safari scotland.
      While the population of Scotland are crammed into cities, on long housing waiting lists or homeless creating a drug and alcoholic nation with no hope.

      There was larger areas of grass lands and glades, there

    212. Hatuey says:

      Hugh: “The MSM can only offer her limited protection, they don’t have full spectrum control of the zeitgeist.”

      They don’t need or want total support for her. The sweet spot is to have her weak enough to depend on their help, and at the same time strong enough to prevent any alternatives, thereby blocking any prospect of constitutional change. It’s a balancing act.

      They key thing is that the resources, oil, profits, and taxation continue to flow south. It’s business.

      It’s pretty grim stuff politics, not to be confused with missionary work, etc., but if we are going to be grown up about it all we should remember that all of this goes on in countries that are full fledged sovereign states too. None of it ends with independence.

    213. robbo says:

      Andrew F says:
      23 October, 2021 at 1:23 pm
      Robbo @ 11:22

      Re Balwin case.

      O/T I know but certainly more intriguing than listening or reading the latest covid shite spouted on here daily.

      It was the assistant director who handed him the gun apparently then the unfortunate lassie and the director got shot.

      So assistant director was told it was cold gun. So who gave it to assistant and who loaded it?

    214. Andrew F says:


      Like I said – we’ll never know the truth, being the USA.

      If any of us had pointed a loaded gun at someone and pulled the trigger and shot and killed them, there’s no way in the world we would be still walking free. At the least we would have been arrested and charged with manslaughter, or something like that.

      There’s no way to explain away the difference in treatment between “us” and “them”.

      Baldwin is one of the most “them” there is, so he gets away with…. let’s say “a terrible accident”.

    215. James Che. says:

      The way we approach a global introduction of big companies get rich quick turbines schemes that have power cables that affect marine life, that transport this turbines from other countries on fossil fuel and made with fossil fuels is a government scam on green renewables.
      And of course no mention of what landfill site they will all go to when their lifespan is finished, I suppose it may be the same site as poisonous electric batteries and solar panels at the end of there life cycle.
      The here and now solution to energy is short sighted.

      My brothers made a eight foot windmill that created electricity for their shed, no storage needed,
      No damage to wildlife.
      When the wind was not blowing they used stream power,

      A long time ago before modern technology this was often how early Americans used wind power. Old blacksmiths did the same to lift big hammers,

      Smaller scale windmills along side homes or small groups of houses made of more natural materials is friendlier to the environment, would provide work for electricians and maintenance men,
      Reuse of grey water might be another form of power for water mill electricity.

      We are going the wrong direction when we allow big foreign companies to set the tariff price we pay for electricity here in Scotland, meanwhile transferring excess electricity down south while we pay high prices.

      Nothing the global do in outlook and puts into motion is beneficial for for us.

    216. Andrew F says:


      PS: Sorry to refer it back to covid, but I was amused by a comment I saw along the following lines:

      “We MUST shut down Hollywood immediately, one death is too many!”

      Why not? It might just save the world.

    217. James Che. says:

      I am repeating what I heard at the bus stop while going for my hospital appointment,

      The only way to get a message to NS and the top SNP.
      Is for the public to go on financial strike,
      To put all council tax payments on freeze.
      Hold the money separately in a closed account or at home for the purpose of council tax,
      Start with the snp lead councils.

      How this would work I do not actually Know,
      I lost track of their conversation when the bus came.
      But they were still chatting when I got to the hospital.

    218. James Che. says:


      Two posts above, that was meant to read, they streamed a second back up of electricity from reused water.

    219. Ottomanboi says:

      Tunnock products and associates.
      Totally synthetic, packed with carbs and unionist corporatist junk….yeukkkk!
      Just do not get the Cherry fan club.

    220. GMB have put in for 15 pounds an HR for Carers STV news worth every penny .

    221. Robert Hughes says:


      Looking forward to that committed pro… ooops…. anti-Independence company producing a sickeningly sweet TERFcake .

      You have to wonder what it’s up to – exacerbating division maybe ?

      Yea , Joanna C , admirable and frustrating in equal measure .

      Laughable and oh so predictable comments from the usual suspects .
      Has there ever been a more persecuted group than the TranSisters ? Their suffering and persecution is so harrowing it makes the Holocaust appear like a mild rebuke from the * janny * .

    222. Dan says:

      For posterity when aliens manage to crack the coding to earth’s internet cache sometime in the possibly not too far off future, when they find a hardrive whilst sifting through the smouldering wreckage of what’s left of the planet…

      Stardate 99410.51

      Scotland hosts an event with a load of Climate Change VIPS Wankers, and our own political “elite” are tearing shreds out of each other over the question of biological reality, and somehow managing to bring arguing over biscuits / cakes into the shit they’re throwing around.
      Others denizens of the country are busy discussing Civic Nationalism, which a considerable number of the population think means we aspire to be a nation of Honda hatchback drivers.

    223. John from Fife says:

      Stewart McDonald Tory

    224. Jim Tadgercock says:

      Holymacmoses it must be satire.

    225. holymacmoses says:

      McDonald says he’s SNP

      It’s an interesting read. He thinks Mr Salmond is a tool of the Russians

    226. Ebok says:

      Hatuey says @ 11.42am

      ‘She’s really quite unlikable and useless as a political decision maker, so it could be 4 or 5 years rather than 10.’

      Who knows? But getting rid of her, or bringing down her party (well, the party she stole from us) has a particular downside for independence that may have been aired before, and if so, I’ve missed it.
      It is this: the SNP ‘brand’ is synonymous with independence. Just like the labour brand identifies with the left and cons identifies with the right. These identities will take a very long time to change in voters’ perceptions, no matter how many times they are told otherwise.

      So, SNP owning the Indy brand, our brand, is likely to mean that mud sticking to Sturgeon or SNP will inevitably attach itself to the Yes movement, and lead to a downturn in support for independence. Perhaps this is the long-term plan of WM aided and abetted by MSM.

      The ‘Indy brand’ being attached to SNP may well be the reason why ALBA has not made the expected breakthrough. The surprisingly low membership of the party does not bode well for the future, especially when you consider that every single politician of every other party has overseen and been responsible for the most damaging and destructive period in our country in living memory. The country is heading blindly into a period where the only question is: how bad can it get?

      I sometimes wonder if I, along with 70,000 others, made the right decision to abandon SNP instead of remaining in MY party, a party I’d supported for 50 years. I wonder if that was taking the cowards way out, to just walk away, like a child having a strop.
      I think of how 70,000 members could have fought from inside the party, harassing our MSP’s in surgeries up and down the country, demanding answers to difficult questions, organising and demonstrating and influencing from within.

      However, what’s done is done. Unfortunately, the way out of this crisis is going to be at great cost to many citizens. And I can see it leading to a seismic shift in politics before very long.
      Everywhere, people are now being affected by and talking about the disastrous policies being inflicted on us.
      Conversations such as that described by James Che @3.17pm will be taking place nationwide as individuals and their families begin to be affected by the NHS (massively), schools, HCB and GRA (yet to sink in with many), policing, free speech, and countless other issues described in other comments.

      The current incompetent lot will have no way in dealing with the waves of discontent about to be unleashed so no telling where this will lead. And when the public waken up to what has been going on, and they will, where will they turn?
      Previously, disenfranchised voters have turned to Farage, Trump, Corbyn, for answers when circumstances were far less serious than now.
      Perhaps we ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

    227. holymacmoses says:

      It’s a very serious piece of research:-)

    228. Scott says:

      Jesus fuck, Stewart McDonald is a fool, but he’s put it in writing with that utter pile of drivel.

      More than half the world don’t trust their government, according to his figures because they can spot the lies.

      Believe everything your own government says, because the Iranians, Russians, Chinese etc are making elected people say and do stuff is psychotic thinking.

      He’s decided that everyone arrived at the same conclusion (mistrust) via the same route. His thesis fails on that fact alone.

      Ignore him, he’s a balloon.

    229. robbo says:

      Auld Dennis Skinner was right- McDonald is a chube!

    230. Hatuey says:

      The big problem for Stewart McDonald’s and the so-called “Scottish information ecosystem” is that his party and its leadership are the biggest disinformation polluters out there, aided and abetted every inch of the way by BBC Scotland and others who understand that the best way to maintain and protect the union is to maintain and protect Sturgeon.

      It’ll probably take a few years but it is inevitable that at some point we will be sitting up late on election night, watching and cheering when people like Stewart McDonald lose their seats to Alba, just as we watched and cheered when Scottish Labour MPs lost their seats and their grip on the country.

      And I suspect that’s what really motivates Stewart McDonald. He knows his days as a politician are numbered and he’s basically working on his CV.

      Intellectual tadpoles need to plan ahead like everybody else, I suppose.

    231. Hatuey says:

      Ebok, of course, I agree, the corruption of the SNP and its inevitable demise as a party is undoubtedly a massive setback for the independence movement. There’s nothing any of us can do about that except hope to learn from it.

      On a more positive note, I think support for independence is probably stronger than it has ever been and very likely to grow in the next few years as the economy collapses. We’ll see.

      We always tend to see things from our point of view. But from a unionist perspective, they’re always one crisis away from losing Scotland. It wouldn’t take much for support to rise to about 70% and they know it — one honest day of news from BBC Scotland would probably do it, unlikely as that is.

      I like to think of support for indy as a sort of volcano that could erupt at any time. Right now there’s steam coming off the top and occasional tremors from below. No amount of propaganda and politicians will stop it from erupting when it decides to…

    232. holymacmoses says:

      I’m not sure that McDonald is as advanced as a tadpole. I don’t perceive he has the potential growth for that profound metamorphosis. I can only assume that the people he worked for as an assistant before he was voted into parliament were so lacking in self-confidence that they needed someone with the intellectual capacity of a pea in order to perceive themselves as mental giants.
      McDonald has very little truly valuable experience and is even more lacking in academic qualification.
      Imagine how fearful he must be of losing all the cash he has come into . He’s a definite candidate for a Burns Rogue, in my book
      The paper he has written, accusing Mr Salmond of being a tool of the Russian state, among many other stupid assertions is totally banal.

    233. T.C. Nu says:

      Via the usual maze of twisty internet passages, In a conversation regarding past workplace feckwittery, I was pointed in the direction of this little tome as a ‘bit of bed-time reading, and seeing as you’re Scottish…’

      How To Destroy A Man Now (Damn) : A handbook

      (Also available on amazon..)

      A quick skim, and I see what he was getting at, one wonders how many of the streghe dell’alfabeto have copies?

    234. Robert Hughes says:

      holymacmoses says:
      23 October, 2021 at 8:49 pm
      ” McDonald says he’s SNP

      It’s an interesting read. He thinks Mr Salmond is a tool of the Russians ”

      Whereas we know McDonald is just a * tool * .

      How pathetically eager he and the rest of the tools are to display their total compliance with the narrative of an external enemy/existential threat to displace and distract from the unfolding carnage of domestic UK Politics .

      At a time when we’re controlled by the worst Tory Gov in living memory – possibly the worst ever – and should be rejecting everything it stands for – including this transparent attempt to ramp-up the propaganda of Russia and China as the * bad guys * intent on destroying our * freedom * ( W.M + Holyweird are doing a sterling job on that front themselves ) – it’s truly sickening to see * our * representatives colluding in this manner with the very same forces intent on keeping us shackled to the necrotic * Union *

    235. Dan says:

      Hmm, McDonald… One wonders how that new SNP complaints officer is getting on with the workload, and whether they’re looking at historic cases.

    236. Brian Doonthetoon says:


      How’s this for blatant hypocrisy and virtual redaction of what Kirsty Blackman tweeted about Joanne Cherry last week.

      Blackman says,
      “I also think it would help if politicians were more mindful of what they are posting online, if they are being critical of others.
      “It’s not to say they can’t be critical, but when you have such a large profile it can be easy to start a pile-on of someone, even if you don’t mean to.
      “That can then trigger abuse.”

    237. Breeks says:

      Stuart MacKay says:
      24 October, 2021 at 10:47 am

      Short but definitely worth a read,

      If you thought the BBC was biased, well you ain’t seen nothing yet.

      You beat me to it…

      Caltonjock is on fire at the moment. Iain Lawson is also promoting another Caltonjock article detailing the chronology of the Salmond stitch up… Not short, but definitely worth a read too. You’ll learn more than you did from the Fabiani “Inquiry”.

    238. Breeks says:

      Last wee comment… can we PLEASE stop describing Scottish Independence as “seceding”.

      Scottish Independence will NOT be secession from the UK. Independence will be the END of the UK, and despite the BritNat Indoctrination saying otherwise, Independence will NOT see Scotland splintering off as a seceding state from a Continuer UK State. The United Kingdom created by the Treaty of Union will not exist.

      (Cue some halfwit turning up to declare the rump UK can call itself “UK” or whatever it likes, but it’s horse shit. The United Kingdom created by the Treaty of Union will have reverted back into it’s pre-treaty status and component parts; two Kingdoms of EQUAL constitutional status).

      I know many people are just using “secession” as a word, but it’s the wrong word, it’s sloppy, and carries all kinds of unhelpful and erroneous connotations which give succour to those who deliberately want to muddy the Constitutional waters.

    239. James Che. says:


      Where did you see the information about saving the union at any cost, you mentioned the other day,
      The totalitarian snp ) Now the state wish to educate our youth and brain train them in advance of adulthood,
      Perhaps they will turn them in to the equivalent of the nazi Germany youth like world war 2.
      Marching in uniform,

    240. Ottomanboi says:

      Here come those tired old snake oil modellers again.
      Scaaary…..well that American consumerist crap called halloween is coming up.
      On the reliability of models produced by modellers with particular axes to grind.
      Of especial interest to the lemmings attending Cockup26 in Glasgow UK.
      Lies, damned lies and mathematical modelling games.
      Truly, the kings and queens are as naked as the day they were born and as gullible.
      With Great Reset in mind.
      What a tangled counter-democratic web they are weaving…..for us to get trapped in.
      Scottish nationalists really need to wise up.
      The SNP central committee personality cultists are rogue.

    241. James Che. says:


      We have suspected that There has been a rogue government since just after the entered office. And close all connections with the public and started treaty us all like criminals to be shut down.
      When the wanted to educate our children for a different new kind sex project.
      When they want to stymie women and female mothers.
      When they want to control speech within your home at the kitchen table or in you’re living room,

      Were either gonna have to go along with it and wait the time out until the next election,
      Which unionist minded and the slow snp inaction has been carrot dangling in front of us for seven years,
      Or we choose a new government as people.

    242. James Che. says:

      I thought indoctrination of our youth was illegal under the terrorism act. Even by any state.

    243. Ron Maclean says:

      A btl comment from this site about a year ago –

      ‘For over three hundred years our rulers have been enthusiastic participants in the Westminster system. There are 650 MPs at Westminster, 59 from Scotland of whom, an optimist might believe, 48 have Scotland’s best interests at heart. Holyrood is a subsidiary of Westminster so numbers aren’t relevant from an independence point of view but, perhaps because of its impotence, there’s a noticeable eagerness to obtain a seat there too. Yet again we see the unseemly battle to board the gravy train. Why would they ever want to leave?

      I could be wrong of course and the SNP’s keenness to join the British system is only because of a commendable desire to separate from it as soon as possible and meet the main aim of the its constitution. That being the case it’s hard to explain the inaction of the last six years and the lack of any progress towards independence.

      What has been done at Westminster or Holyrood in the last six years to bring us closer to independence? Nothing. Before we worry about international acceptance, UK acceptance or even independence itself we should ensure SNP acceptance of the right of the Scottish people to self-determination, independence if that’s their choice, and the party’s intention always to act accordingly.

      The SNP, even when breaking down, currently provides our only realistic route to independence. We could help put it back on track by supplying all its MPs, MSPs and aspirants with a copy each of ‘Doun-Hauden’ and the SNP constitution. Those who can’t quote both verbatim by 30 November to be immediately deselected.’

      ‘The key to success is action and the essential in action is perseverance.’ Sun Yat- sen – not Nicola Sturgeon

      ‘If at first you don’t secede, try, try, try again’. ‘Rab Bruce’s Spider’ – not Nicola Sturgeon

    244. Confused says:

      – sounds fair enough to me. Did he find the 600K?

      Drunken pranks, a pal of mine once stole a JCB, slowest police “chase” ever.

    245. James Che. says:

      Some form of action has to be the plan.

      What I am determined to reiterate is this should be done with legality rather than the Scots people being beat up and suppressed violently on the street,

      I think those whom enjoyed the poem to “exterminate the Scots” would like nothing better than a violent form of confrontation, and have often egged us on to go down this route,
      You do not have to wonder why when you see whom holds and owns the the riot gear.
      It would be a massacre of beaten up Scots men, women and children,

      It is better that the Scots go on strike in unison, but not on the streets.
      It would be advantageous for us to display “ snp out”. banners and stickers in unison all across the country,

      It would be advantageous for us all to start unindating our local snp with letters rather than just E or G mails which they block or ignore,
      The snp are in an deliberate isolated bubble of their making so as not to be answerable to us, they do not want communication with us, that has to change before the never ending next election. Or the next election. Or the next election.

      We start as one unit at home and staying within the law.

    246. James Che. says:

      The people of Scotland have the legal right to choose a new governing body,

    247. James Che. says:

      No nasty letters or g- mails to the snp, no exciting others to do something illegal, no violence and no threats unless you want to be carried of in the back of a police car,
      Keep this legal, follow the law,

    248. Hugh Jarse says:

      Chants at large sports events in the US of “fuck joe biden” are gaining momentum, especially after within earshot, a msm bot desperately translated it to “lets go Brandon”.

      A Scots refrain might be a ditty such as ‘Sturgeon sook ma boaby’.

    249. Ottomanboi says:

      The political domain is a well known playground for the sociopath.
      Being 100% sceptic and i no longer trust any of the political type.
      In that i possibly speak for my post millennial generation.
      «Covid19» has been a smoke and mirrors exercise revealing how devious and criminal the type is….when left unchallenged.
      We must have an independent Scotland however the current cabal, a well financed international one, should have no part in it.
      A tall order for all who value «the human» over the sick-making synthetic.

    250. Robert Smith my surgery is not even doing that. They will only see patients on an emergency basis and you must phone before 12noon .Prescriptions phone your order in and they will send it to your named chemist. It takes them 5 days to prosses it before they send it on .Its down to extreme staff shortages .For a doctor its phone in before 12 and someone will phone back or go to the practice website.

    251. willie says:

      Trying to a doctor’s appointment is as you say a nightmare David Ritchie.

      The spin by the bag of shit that is Sturgeon is that they are doing well delivering. Well tell that to those trying to get a doctor’s appointment, trying to get surgery, or dying in the back of an ambulance.

      Or what of all the low income low life’s or the old pensioner low life’s – and I use the term low life’s appropriately. How are these poor sods going to heat their houses this year with capped pensions, and soaring fuel prices. Well they wont heat their houses. It’s as simple as that. They are but low raggedy people that this government in truth cares not a jot about.

      So let us use the term low life freely. Call a spade a spade. The old ones and the poor are getting it, and wee Sturgeon gives not a jot, as neither do her comfortable well paid elected SNP.

      You couldn’t make it up, but then again, a million died in Ireland during the famine years when they were actually exporting food from Ireland. But then again, they were poor low life’s too.

    252. President Xiden says:

      Just days away from the great virtue signalling hypocrisy event in Glasgow. We will suffer so the elites attending don’t have to.

    253. Clavie Cheil says:

      re willie at 11.19

      We might not be exporting food if you dont count Partridge Grouse, Non Fish farmed Salmon, Venison and other such luxury foods that us peasants cant afford. Are we not only exporting energy? The SNP sits back like the other Yoon political parties and lets it happen. It churns my stomach.

      But hey as long as I dont call my mother mother or my sister sister in Sturgeons nightmare Land I wont get arrested and jailed.

      I have had three telephone G.P consultations in last three weeks with a voice on the other end I didn’t recognise.

    254. Robert Hughes says:

      Willie @ 11.19

      The view from the ivory tower @ Bute House is extensive , if , paradoxically , limited .

      On a clear day you can almost see the shining citadel wherein reside Queen Kamala , Prince William Gates , the Dauphin Greta and the Stonewall Praetorian Guard .

      Alas, the valleys where the commoners scrape-out their miserable , nasty, British and short existence are obscured by an impenetrable miasma of indifference and relentless platitude storms .

      Fortunately , there is * low life * expectancy amongst the inhabitants of those dank , godforsaken twilight zones .

      More champagne anyone ?

      More real pain everyone

    255. Chas says:

      Defeat is often only a temporary position.
      Giving up is what makes it permanent.

    256. Robert Hughes says:

      Chas says:
      25 October, 2021 at 9:13 am

      ” Defeat is often only a temporary position

      Giving up is what makes it permanent ”

      Indeed .

    257. Republicofscotland says:

      Now we have the foreign English governments Defence Minister Ben Wallace doing a Great Satan (USA) in claiming that Russia and Putin are interfering in the indy debate, and that Russia and Putin wouldn’t respect a independent Scotland.

      Well the English government certainly doesn’t respect Scotland, and has sidelined democracy by telling a sovereign people (Scots) that they can’t leave the union unless the foreign government of England tells them they can.

      Putin as far as I know hasn’t made any threats against Scotland, as the English government did in 2014. As far as I cab see the English government is the enemy of Scotland, and not Putin or Russia.

    258. Tom says:

      Looks like our Great Leader isn’t the draw she thinks she is. See the first chart here ..

    259. Robert Graham says:

      Eh how’s yer Vaxx pass working Nicola ?

      The spokesperson from the entertainment industry has one comment


      Still think your right eh Nicola ? carry on your playing a fkn blinder

    260. Ottomanboi says:

      The low rating for Sturgeon in this is not what the personality cultists wish to see.
      I do wonder if the personality involved, having become accustomed to office, is also resistant to change.
      She and her circle have run their course, time for fresh ideas and considerably more imagination than her administration has shown.

    261. Robert Graham says:

      Explain this people

      Canadian Government website March 2nd 2016 requests for suppliers of Teargas and Teargas grenade launchers .

      Are you a business that can supply the above mentioned products ? Canada needs you for its response to Covid 19 , details GSIN Code N1330B

      Screenshot captured before it disappears This little snippet along with photos of packages of the wonder serum with expiration dates of 2019 a batch that wasn’t destroyed..

      The ones who are behind this pantomime have failed to cover their tracks in their haste to get this show on the road this juggernaut ain’t stopping there is too much invested they are being assisted by the media ,

      Remember the millions given to the Scottish media by sturgeons government ? People were asking questions at the time because it didn’t add up why support the media who are actively working against independence , this media are doing exactly what they are told and that’s keep the mug public in the dark and feed them the shit we tell you to .

      And sturgeon is doing exactly as she is told she’s like a fkn puppet dancing to someone’s else’s tune I wonder what exactly the security service’s has on her and her pretend spouse it must be big .

    262. James Che. says:

      As far as I understand the governments are crashing all the NHS all over Britain,
      And doctors that are paid for on the NHS by public money are wanting to go on strike,
      Because they do not want to see patients face to face.

      My doctors surgery has been reduced to the same as everyone else’s this week. Spoilt doctors on high pay not wanting to see the patients that pay their wage.

      Meanwhile BBC running two part programme of “ Who Owns Scotland “ from a different angle.

      It was trying to find through maps from National Registrar of Scotland which bit of Scotland were not owned or occupied because England has a housing Shortage.

    263. James Che. says:

      It is time for us to choose a new Scottish government.

    264. James Che. says:

      We the people can either legally choose a new Scottish government. Or
      Legally accept we the Scots have never joined the Treaty of the union at any time.
      We have never voted to join in 300 years.

      Either route we would see no devolved government and no NS and snp.
      It really is up to the people to organise the legal route.

      And where are the stupid Scottish lawyers and their families that are going to be effected by this new ideology in Scotland if not themselves then their children and grandchildren will be.

      Anyone know a lawyer?

    265. James Che. says:

      We have no health care,
      We have no fully functioning councils.
      We have had people lockdowns that did not work.
      We have 50% of police not policing by consent of the people.
      We have a strange new education system endoctrinating our children.
      We have invasions of our privacy rights.
      We have bbc looking for Scottish available land.
      We have a devolved government going rogue on the Scots

      And we moan every day with out a plan of action?

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