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Confused says:
25 August, 2022 at 2:11 am
Does anyone know anything about this?
https://archive.ph/o2JBT
– I have a notion if we knew the details, it might be absolutely hilarious.
Are these guys nationalists or are they unionists?
They’re – ahem! – “eccentric”.
Fishing boat skipper William Curtis had told Stewart Stevenson (the local MSP) he was being persecuted in a row with a rival fishing firm and demanded prosecutors were brought in to examine the claims.
The firm in question belongs to the family of Angus MacNeil, and the Western Isles MP is alleged to be closely involved with the business’ affairs.
Curtis claimed complaints against himself of threatening behaviour were motivated because he was threatening to expose Mr MacNeil and his family for employing underpaid Romanian seamen and their treatment amounted to “absolute slavery”.
Curtis told Mr Stevenson had 14 days to act and added “Remember what happened to Jo Cox” – at which point Stevenson was well within his rights to contact the Fuzz and have the old fking headbanger charged and fined £2600 by Sheriff Robert H Dickson in February 2018.
Their later car park shenanigans has put the biscuit tin lid on matters. He’d told Mr Stevenson back in 2018 he was contemplating making “a citizen’s arrest” – hence the later assault on the Sheriff in the car park, although why Robert McDonald of Banff was chosen as the target god only knows.
@Brotherhood 10.23 pm
Unbunch yer panties Ian. The description is fully justified. It’s not a huge surprise he was unwell: the MO is common to few others in here who patently have “issues”. Whether his online persona and actions can or should be excused by his illness is another matter. He certainly seemed capable of fighting his corner in between pasting the BTL comments with extraneous bullshit and derailing most of the threads.
It’s just a shame he was allowed to carry damaging the site as long as he did.
..etc
Before going too far down that road though it might yet be worth establishing whether they consider themselves sadist, masochist or something else entirely – and how much of the improvement can be attributed to an enthusiastic political environment rather than, say, climate change.
Scott says:
25 August, 2022 at 12:46 am
If you are aged between 18 and 25, you have to have lived in the UK for either half your life or 20 years.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-62664664
To vote in 2014, people only needed 9 days local connection/residence.
This is all news to me. Does this mean English students no longer have to pay fees in Scotland?
Paying for these bright young people to go to university would be something I would be 100% in favour of.
This sounds like a very simple problem for the SG to sort out.
They could put the cost of educating these young people down as foreign aid.
@Brotherhood 10.47 pm
@Ellis –
And if you dare, open this tweet, then contact the author to tell her that she is a ‘covidiot’.
twitter.com/MrsCharWright/status/1562430980140322817/photo/1
Why would I call her a covidiot? It’s tragic if anyone is harmed by a vaccine. It’s even more tragic if conspiracy theorists try to weaponise the pain and loss suffered in such cases by calling for vaccination to be stopped, or making other a-scientific claims.
the BBC piece on the Vaccine Damage Payment Scheme on 23rd June ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61898694 ) notes the following:
Vikki Spit, from Cumbria, became the first person to be awarded money, following the death of her fiance Zion, who developed vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia (VITT) eight days after having the jab.
VITT causes a very unusual combination of blood clotting and low platelets (part of the blood that causes clotting), leading to excessive bleeding. An even smaller number of these cases can be fatal.
There have been 444 cases of blood clots with low platelets out of 49 million AstraZeneca (AZ) doses given, and 81 deaths, although we don’t know that all were caused by the vaccine.
The risk of a healthy but unvaccinated 40-year-old man dying if he catches Covid is about 500 times higher.
But while there is no doubt the vaccines have been lifesaving on a population level, affected families are frustrated as they feel the small minority for whom the AZ vaccine has caused harm are being ignored.
It will be no great surprise to alert readers in here of course that an a-scientific woo-woo believer like you thinks it’s appropriate to try and capitalise on the grief of one individual, and to try and use the unfortunate death of her partner to further your own fringe nutter views.
I’d like to say I’m surprised you dare to try such tactics, but I think we both know there’s no bar so low that you couldn’t limbo right under it Ian.
“To vote in 2014, people only needed 9 days local connection/residence.”
Scott.
Do you have a link for that.
It looks like Sunak has joined the race with Truss to see who can be more Thatcher like, which will appeal to the Tories who will vote in their next leader and PM.
“RISHI Sunak said he would not make promises he could not keep when it came to the cost of living crisis, as he stepped up his attack on Liz Truss’s plans for tax cuts, warning they would increase borrowing and fuel inflation.
He compared his approach to Margaret Thatcher’s, saying she was prepared to say things “that may have been difficult to hear, but were right for the country”.”
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F20745323.rishi-sunak-tries-pitch-thatcher-attack-liz-truss%2F
Confused says:
25 August, 2022 at 2:11 am
Does anyone know anything about this?
https://archive.ph/o2JBT
The removal of the right to defend yourself looks dodgy, chipping away at the what remains of the law.
“vulnerable witnesses”
This does sound very dodgy. No jury and and a court appointed lawyer.
I have no idea how these court cases work vis a vis cost would people not be tempted to represent themselves if they had no money and no legal aid available.
Here we go again the SNP “Demands” the Westminster parties and especially the Tory government don’t give a toss what the SNP MPs want or demand. They know this fine well and they are at Westminster just to give off the appearance of a democratic process, they know that as well.
However the SNP MPs have made peace with this and are quite content to rail a wee bit here and there but as long as their snouts are pressed firmly into the trough nothing much will happen. We all know this now and we are disgusted by it, and we will vote Alba instead of SNP when the time comes.
“LIZ Truss has been warned she must rule out “anti-devolution” peer David Frost from her Government.
The SNP call follows speculation that the Tory leadership frontrunner would offer the former Cabinet Office minister a role in her government, should she become the next prime minister.
The unelected Frost has previously caught the ire of the Yes movement for his comments on Scottish devolution, saying that Scotland should “evolve back” and that independence would be “morally wrong”.”
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F20742570.snp-demand-lord-frost-not-offered-government-job-liz-truss-becomes-pm%2F
Ruby@ 9.56pm.
He’s a no campaigner who was paid 2k by the Orange Order to promote their British Together website he also was a promoter of the Britnat movement A Force for Good.
Basically he’s a Britnat scumbag.
Republicofscotland @9:53am
Sunak does not realise that nobody wants a Chicken Little telling them the sky is falling. They’d much rather a delusional Truss who says she can fix the problems.
It’s likely that Sunak is simply positioning himself as Truss’ successor. However that’s unlikely to work, as Johnson will likely try and stage some form of comeback in Britain’s Hour of Need.
Does anyone find these ‘Alert Readers’ a bit of a pain in the bum.
They seem to have formed a group so far I’m counting four of them everyone else is ‘The Bonnie Purple Heather Brigade’ & various other names.
The ‘Alert Readers’ seem to be always there ready to pounce should you make what they consider a mistake however minor.
ie
get the category of sci-fi books wrong
claim Scotland was a member of the EU
point out typos
discuss a topic they don’t like
etc etc etc.
The question is why are these ‘Alert Readers’ so keen to create divisions?
BritNat trolls or seriously unwell?
Republicofscotland says:
25 August, 2022 at 10:08 am
Ruby@ 9.56pm.
He’s a no campaigner who was paid 2k by the Orange Order to promote their British Together website he also was a promoter of the Britnat movement A Force for Good.
Basically he’s a Britnat scumbag.
Sorry ROS I haven’t had my 2nd coffee yet so I’m a bit confused as to who you are referring to.
Stuart @10.13am.
I’d imagine that he now realises that the only way to woo the 160,00 (I think that the amount of electors) voters many who are unknown to the public, is to act more Thatcher like to be harder and more right wing as possible.
I still think Truss will win, I don’t see the Tories electing a Indian man to the post of PM.
Republicofscotland @10:20am
Frost will return, as Truss needs people with at least some Cabinet experience. More importantly he’ll be needed in the fight with the EU over the Northern Ireland Protocol. The EU is going to be substantially weakened due to the economic crisis over the coming year and the UK Government probably sees this as the chance to move unilaterally on the agreement since the EU is unlikely to be in a position to do anything about it – more sanctions anyone? This would need a Biden administration to be fatally weakened in the November elections, though. Fun times.
Ruby @10.20am.
Apologies Ruby, I thinks it me who needs a coffee, I’ve replied to the this story instead.
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F20740428.force-good-protest-nicola-sturgeon-fringe-event%2F
Stuart @10.23am.
Yes I agree Frost will return, by the hardline approach that Truss appears to be taking Frost will have a role in her cabinet. As for Northern Ireland Protocol, I read the other day that the SNP government said they refuse to comply with the proposed changes to it as will Wales, NI’s government is incapacitated.
Of course Sturgeon swore blind she wouldn’t comply with Brexit and we all know how that turned out.
Doug says:
24 August, 2022 at 7:21 pm
I think it can be fairly argued that brexit happened because the majority of English people ignored the intellectual pros and cons and voted with their gut. Dunkirk, battle of britain, Agincourt, froggies, huns and all that… it worked for those who wanted to get out of the EU.
Frankly I wouldn’t object to a bit of gut voting if it meant an end to the disgusting union with England.
Sturgeon wants independence to happen [I think she does anyway] by charming the angels to come down from heaven to reward the people of Scotland for all their politically correct obedience and kumbaya niceness. I think she’d sacrifice our independence to keep her pc pomposity intact.
Get your gut out and vote!
Sometimes it’s all you’ve got.
It’s impossible for voters to be informed about everything. Most people know nothing about trade deals, tax avoidance, eu regulations, GERS, deficits, voting systems etc etc etc.
For example I knew very little about the EU except about the freedom to live & work in any EU country which I was 100% in favour of. Mostly I did vote with my gut and what my gut told me was that the EU served to protect us from Westminster & Holyrood politicians becoming too powerful and getting a bit carried away with that power.
I don’t know if my gut got it right or not, my gut is still telling me it did.
If we were still in the EU would we have all the hate crimes, denial of freedom of speech, self-id, women being cancelled, Mr Period, trials without jury, disease ridden streets, unaffordable heating and all the other crazy things that are going on?
Is this 72% of voters well informed or do they just have a gut feeling that something is definitely no right.
https://archive.ph/CBwxO
Support for rejoining the EU soars in new poll
A new Panelbase survery has found that Scotland is even more opposed to Brexit than in 2016, when 62 per cent voted against. Now 72 per cent say they would vote Remain
Andy Ellis
Not just AZ. My advice is you do some research. You’ll see.
Nobody knows how extensive the problem is or is likely to get. What we do know will scare you.
A word of warning :- if you found the military industrial complex unsettling, you’re not going to like its much bigger brother, the medical industrial complex.
A upcoming Alba event for you to attend especially if you live in Dundee.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fas-_yOWQAAO9bc?format=jpg&name=large
And if you live on Skye there’s an Alba event this weekend.
Sat, Aug 27, 11:30 AM
Sligachan Hotel , Sligachan , Isle Of Skye IV47 8SW
https://www.albaparty.org/heckie1990/rescheduled_scottish_independence_gathering_-_the_wee_alba_book_tour
For so long as a hundred of us are left alive,
This is an interesting quotation or part of it rather,
It reminds me of the numbers that altered the lives of so many Scots for hundreds of years to follow.
Less than 50 men in Scotland entered the treaty of union in 1707 = IT should [ need no more than 50 men ] to Exit the treaty of the union of 1707.
However we do not need 50 men, the treaty of union with Scotlands parliament and Englands parliament ended in 1707,
The British parliament cannot be a replacement parliament for either of those two, without breaking the actual treaty between the two original parliaments that creates the british parliament.
The proper way would have been to have continued both parliaments to maintain the contractual agreement,
And then a higher united parliament of equal members from both sides to jointly discuss policies for the new Great Britian,
Canceling parliaments and therefore both sides of the original treaty was stupid.
Gregory Beekman,
In response to you’re question yesterday,
The Book is called
The CELTIC PLACE NAMES of Scotland,
By W.J. WATSON.
There are reprints so the book should not be difficult to find,
As with all my reading, I find it wise to read more than one persons opinion, however as it covers most of Scotland regarding name places, I tend to carry it around in the glove compartment of my Car when travelling outside my own area,
Books like above and similar books to this should be kept in the car for guessing games for children and grand children.
Back in the time of the 2014 IndyRef campaign I spent an extraordinary amount of time trying to get myself informed re iScotlands EU membership. The UK Gov did not want us informed so failed to ask EC which Barosso advised them to do.
The BritNat campaign seemed to consist of telling people how absolutely awful it would be if iScotland were not in the EU.
Whether or that that had an influence on my decision to vote remain in 2016 or on the 72% who want EU membership or not I’m not sure. Just two years between learning that it would be a disaster for Scotland to be outside the EU and the EU referendum vote is not a long time.
James Che @11.58am.
James with that in mind you might want to read this.
“The daughter of a Scot who divides her time between America and Scotland, MacDonald-Lewis believes the Declaration of Independence, the charter that laid out the early principles of democracy in the United States, was not based on a model from the ancient Greeks or the Magna Carta as is widely believed, but was in fact based on the 14th-century Declaration of Arbroath.”
“It’s time to highlight these links much more widely and in language people can understand,” she said. “If Americans want to understand their history, they need to look to Scotland, because that is where their ideals come from. And Scots should look across the Atlantic to see where their homegrown doctrines and ideas have been most fully embraced.””
https://archive.ph/iIfur#selection-1087.0-1093.350
Republicofscotland.
Thanks for the link, What an inspiring read,
True that many Scots fought for america’s independence and lie in americas soil, that they fought for freedom from the same oppressor and coloniser, for now America can celebrate on the forth of july, it’s freedom,
Perhaps this honour will be returned to Scotland one day by Americans.
The BPHB are out in force today.
Unfortunately, same shite as usual!
James che says:
25 August, 2022 at 12:11 pm
Gregory Beekman,
In response to you’re question yesterday,
The Book is called
The CELTIC PLACE NAMES of Scotland,
By W.J. WATSON.
Is that one of these books that makes you realise you already speak loads of Gaelic? Way back when I was at school I learned to sing Gaelic songs. One of them translated as ‘I am tired gathering bracken all day long’ so when I saw the name Rannock Moor I knew what might be growing there.
This led me to ask why people spent all day gathering bracken until they were exhausted and whether or not they still gather bracken and for what purpose.
Maybe that is one you could add to your car quiz for children James.
I don’t know the answer. I did wonder but never took time to find out.
If you find the answer James I would be very interested.
The Gaelic name of the song is ‘Tha Mi Sgith Buain Na Rainich’ I had to Google that ‘cos I don’t read or write or ‘speak’ the Gaelic they took away the Gaelic books before I started school.
https://tinyurl.com/mrxxk386
Lots of different version on You Tube just search for ‘Tha Mi Sgith’
https://tinyurl.com/s4czf8at
Could this version be Irish?
https://archive.ph/XUTHN
Voters reject plan to use election as ‘de facto indyref’
Interesting!
Is Wild Mountain Thyme and Purple Heather the same thing?
If so I know a great theme song for us ‘Non Alert Readers’
aka ‘The Bonnie Purple Heather Brigade’
Will ye go Lassie Go?
It’s a great song. I bet everyone already knows the words.
You are singing it right now aren’t you?
Ruby @1.28pm.
Hardly convincing for not to proceed.
“If the SNP won a majority of votes cast, it would regard it as a mandate to open independence negotiations with London.
The Ipsos Scotland polling found that 39% thought this would establish a democratic mandate for independence, while 38% said it would not. Another 24% were unsure or had no strong views.”
Ruby.
The same poll viewed from a different angle.
Callum Baird playing both sides against each other.
“Asked if they found the argument that the people of Scotland want to “take the country in a very different political direction to England”, 59% of respondents said they found this “very” or “fairly” convincing, while only 36% found it “not very” or “not at all” convincing.
Some 58% of the 1000 Scottish adults polled earlier this month found the argument that Westminster would not government in Scotland’s interests convincing, while 38% took the opposite view.”
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F20758074.scottish-independence-new-poll-reveals-key-arguments-yes-camp%2F
Andy,
Re topic, languages from yesterday 3:18pm.
It was fascinating to listen to a lady that must have been in 80s speaking the older welsh language of Wales while she was on holiday in Orkney,
And a old lady, a inhabitant of Orkney all her life, talking with each other in their own ancient languages,
They smiled and laughed many times while trying to work out words that were missing that would have made the connection easier,
But through stilted sentences managed admirably,
This was in the early 90s,
I don’t suppose these old versions of welsh and old Gaelic languages could meet so well today,
Without a Doubt somewhere a long time ago the Scots, the Welsh and the Irish held onto their Common bonds of language,
It is also interesting to note that often the heart and mindset of those 3 countries are similar with regards to how they view the population across their immediate borders as alien in mannerisms and as a aggressive neighbour,
It is also interesting to note the legend of Merlin and Arthur is found very early on in these Celtic nations,
Many older place names follow this pattern, along with bards and music, perhaps making Arthur plus Merlin Celtic men in origin,
Here is a quote from the book, The Celtic place names of Scotland, page 142:
According to tradition it is beside the Powsail, at the foot of a thorn-tree, a little below the churchyard, that Merlin is buried, An old prophecy was-
When Tweed and Pausayl meet at Merlin’s grave,
Scotland and England shall one monarch have,
It was believed to be fulfilled by a strange and sudden rising of the waters on the day when when James V1 ascended the English throne.
I see the Herald is doing that thing that yoons do, automatically counting undecided or no preference votes as “against”, whereas of course the figures actually show a majority in favour of using a general election as a plebiscite.
Britants gonna britnat I suppose?
Ruby.
Lovely to hear you were learning old songs at school, I would say that that kind of teaching is rare in Scotland today.
Bracken was used for bedding, both for humans and animals, as far as I can glean,
Perhaps it may have other purposes besides, such as a dye, a medicine or a poor mans thatched roof,
Scotland is covered with plentiful bracken and people used what was available on their door step,
@Andy Ellis
Would you expect anything less from a glorified Rangers fanzine that keeps on staff members surplus to requirements because they “kick with the right foot” and uses workplace experience student interns to alleviate what would otherwise be extra wage costs?
The “traditional” west of Scotland “work culture” personified.
I see chemtrails and contrails are classed at the moment as a conspiracy theory,
However cloud seeding is not classed under this catorgary.
Apparently this has been experimented with as early as the forties,
Including attempts to use it as a weapon during the vietnam war,
It continues today in many countries,
Google Cloud seeding and many sites are available on this topic.
There are no long term known effects on how this experiment has changed climate over the years around the world since these experiments began, as No research material or studies is available as to how increasing or decreasing the climate in one region may have a effect neighbouring regions or countries,
Or if this would cause water shortages,
Like a nuclear button it’s safety depends on whom is controlling the governments in the background.
Climate change is capable of reducing populations in any particular country due to food and water shortages,
@ James Che
Re Water
If you have access to watch BBC, then this three part series was interesting and worth a watch. It’s a bit like Life On Earth but with some sophisticated modern technology and analysis added into the mix.
H2O: The Molecule That Made Us
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000z2cw/episodes/player
Survey done by Ipsos Scotland not The Herald.
I haven’t read it yet.
At the moment I’m going with my gut. Gut says something no right about this ‘de facto indyref’
We were promised an ‘Indy Ref’ if Sturgeon can’t come up with the goods she has to go.
I’ll read it later. I’m currently trying to find out if ‘to tire’ in Gaelic is a reflexive verb as in
‘Tha Mi Sgith’
which translates as ‘I am tired’. Is the mi am or is myself?
If they hadn’t taken away my Gaelic books just before I started school I would know and would probably have been much better prepared for the reflexive verbs when trying to learn French, Spanish & French.
I think I am going to have do some formal Gaelic learning.
I’ll do that later after my siesta at the moment ‘Tha Mi Sgith’
I’ll be back to talk about the well know song ‘A Wee Deoch An’ Doris’
More Gaelic words that we all know.
dún an doras = shut the door
Deoch = drink
I heard the ‘dún an doras’ phrase many times when growing up. I guess I must have been a child who always left the door open (very bad when heating is so costly) or perhaps ‘an doras’ has a double meaning like trap in English.
Do any of ‘The Alert Readers’ speak Gaelic or do they just slaver Keech?
Keech you can add that to your Gaelic vocabulary.
You know what fellow ‘Purple Heather guys & gals’ I think we are almost fluent in Gaelic and we didn’t even know it. 🙂
Sláinte enjoy your wee doch!
Water
Uisge Beatha you all know that phrase.
@Rob Roy 10.58 am
Not just AZ. My advice is you do some research. You’ll see.
I’ll see what?
Nobody knows how extensive the problem is or is likely to get. What we do know will scare you.
I suppose like all other non experts, I’ll be guided by the science. The BBC piece quoted above mentions 444 cases of blood clots and 81 deaths out of 49 million vaccines ( 0.00090& and 0.000165% respectively) and notes that we don’t know if all the cases were even caused by the vaccine. Conversely, the risks of a healthy 40 year old man dying of Covid is 500 times higher.
Most people presented with those figures would judge that the risk of being vaccinated are worth it. The same kind of cost benefit analysis will be made in most similar situations.
Is it possible that the scientific community got it wrong and the risks are higher? Yes it is. Is it likely they got it so wrong that the risk of getting vaccinated is higher than the risk of not getting vaccinated? No, it isn’t.
Recent history shows us again again that there will be a hard core of a-scentific nut jobs railing against any given vaccine because they have become convinced it is unsafe, or causes side effects. It goes right back to the original smallpox vaccine, but can be traced through polio, MMR and HPV. Sincerely held conspiracy theorising is still just conspiracy theorising.
A word of warning :- if you found the military industrial complex unsettling, you’re not going to like its much bigger brother, the medical industrial complex.
Neither is a good thing. Neither is inevitable. We have it in our hands to prevent both. Tackling and facing down interest groups, whether military, big pharma, big oil, agriculture, finance or whatever requires vigilant citizens, open government, separation of powers and a democratic system capable of ensuring that the overweening power of interest groups is curtailed.
If we don’t collectively ensure that happens, then we can expect things to get worse rather than better.
Dan,
Much appreciated for the link, many other people can now watch this if they wish to,
Am afraid I have no links to bbc in apps or other wise, so obviously I can not down load this particular link, which I get bye without quite easily,
The question is, does the new climate change crises fall at our particular door of pollution only or theirs for experimenting for almost a hundred years with changing weather patterns?
How big a contribution is actually being made by the Arab emirates, America, Britain, china, australia, brazil, etc by attempting to out do each other, all afraid they could be a target if used again as a military weapon.
Or a government weapon to control people or countries,
Who owns the clouds?
James che says:
25 August, 2022 at 2:07 pm
Ruby.
Lovely to hear you were learning old songs at school, I would say that that kind of teaching is rare in Scotland today.
Bracken was used for bedding, both for humans and animals, as far as I can glean,’
I think that is right. However I think the principal reason for cutting was to prevent the stuff from overwhelming the grazing on ‘marginal’ land both in its growing season and when it ‘goes down’. It is said that if you cut bracken three times in a season it won’t return -although I’ve done a fair bit of scything in the past I’ve never had the strength to cut more than once. It’s very hard work.
Life was hard for the old-time crofters
I am feeling tired in Gaelic is “Tha mi a’ faireachdainn sgìth”
“Deoch and doras” (literally a drink at the door) is the Gaelic equivalent of one for the road.
Duolingo Scots Gaelic course is your friend, whether you’re in the BPHB or not. 🙂
Ruby,
I do not know any Gaelic to verse in, as I mentioned once before on here we were beaten or strapped when speaking Scots or Gaelic at School, and I was not born here so did not learn from my parents.
However I read as many books as I could and can after leaving school to educate myself on Scottish language, dialects, etc,
The two old ladies I listened to in Orkney were forced to speak english in there schools when they were young girls,
My mother spoke some Welsh language, and my grandfather learnt the old language of Romany Gypsies through going to horse fairs to buy horses in the old days,
My great great grandfather taught languages at university, So perhaps my interest is inherited generationally.
Can I ask you if the word ” tint” can be found any where in Gaelic, as I have not found it anywhere other than spoken by the farming Communities in Scotland, and Do not know how wide spread its use is?
Just when you thought it couldn’t get more boaksome:
https://www.thenational.scot/news/20759707.ian-blackford-says-loves-cut-thrust-life-westminster/
Keech you can add that to your Gaelic vocabulary.
Alert readers will of course know that Gaelic doesn’t use the letter “k”, so that party of the vocabulary should be relatively easy to master.
Tha iad ag ràdh gun tig gliocas ri aois.
Ellis, @ 3.43, is lying re vaccine injuries.
Quoting the BBC regarding any aspect of bug/vaccine-related data is promoting misinformation pure and simple. The calamitous ‘Unvaccinated’ documentary which aimed to present vaccine critics as nutjobs has been thoroughly debunked by participants and critics alike. ( e.g. https://www.normanfenton.com/post/a-critique-of-the-bbc2-documentary-unvaccinated. )
Here’s a piece from the well-known Fortean Times offshoot The Specatator which at least attempts to consider recent concerns. And the author has been triple vaccinated.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-i-wont-have-a-covid-booster
Brilliant ‘The Alert Readers’ speak Gaelic.
Not totally useless after all.
Tha mi a’ faireachdainn sgìth”
a’ faireachdainn? Is that a swear word.
I’m fuckin’ tired?
What are they putting in the water over Edinburgh way?
Scott says:
25 August, 2022 at 5:21 pm
What are they putting in the water over Edinburgh way?
Glayva
Big long reply to James Che awaiting moderation.
Have discovered the Gaelic phrase for
‘Free Scotland Forever’ triggers it.
Might redact and repost.
Although “Tha mi a’ faireachdainn sgìth” with this moderating bot.
a’ faireachdainn? Is that a swear word.
From the Old Irish airigidir (“perceive, notice”), from aire (“act of guarding, watching over, tending, caring for”)
fairich (verb)(past dh’fhairich, future fairichidh, verbal noun faireachdainn, past participle fairichte)
1. feel,
2. grope
3. hear
4. perceive
Noun
faireachdainn f (genitive singular faireachdainne, plural faireachdainnean)
1. verbal noun of fairich
2. feeling, sensation
3. emotion
“Is it possible that the scientific community got it wrong and the risks are higher? Yes it is. Is it likely they got it so wrong that the risk of getting vaccinated is higher than the risk of not getting vaccinated? No, it isn’t.” (Andy Ellis)
“Is it possible that the scientific community got it wrong and the risks [of the vaccine] are higher?”
You refer to the “scientific community” and I am not sure where you are referring to. Either way, there is no unified community as such, there are lots of different scientists in different places, saying very different things.
Most, and I include the ones you probably think represent the establishment view, didn’t and couldn’t have known what adverse events to expect — 1) because critical data was hidden from them (see the Pfizer documents which they attempted to keep classified for 75 years), and 2) in terms of the messenger vaccines we are talking about treatments that have never been rolled out on this scale before and simply had not been through normal clinical trials which would usually take around 5 to 9 years.
In short, they didn’t get it wrong because, like you, me, and everyone else, they were misinformed. A significant cohort intimated that the vaccine was essentially safe when they knew that there was no way of knowing, and that’s got more to do with funding arrangements and the business of pharmaceuticals than science, but I’m not sure that amounts to getting it wrong. From a business and profit-margins perspective, they got a lot right. There was and still is a lot of coercion involved.
“Is it likely they got it so wrong that the risk of getting vaccinated is higher than the risk of not getting vaccinated? No, it isn’t.”
You reveal how out of touch with the debate you are with this line and I pity you.
The simple truth is that there were other options. It was never a simple question of vaccinate or don’t vaccinate, as you seem to think. It’s no accident that you made this mistake because that was the way we were encouraged to think.
Research that was previously smothered pointing to “miracle” results with drugs like ivermectin and even hydroxychloroquine (amongst others) is now widely known and available. You might want to read and ingest this;
“The Lancet has made one of the biggest retractions in modern history. How could this happen?”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/05/lancet-had-to-do-one-of-the-biggest-retractions-in-modern-history-how-could-this-happen
The problem, for “Big Pharma” and those who have a steak in selling vaccines wasn’t just that the alternatives worked. The bigger problem was that the alternatives were dirt cheap and their patents had expired, meaning anyone could produce them for peanuts.
Another important consideration is the Emergency Use Authorisation (EUA) granted to the vaccine producers. It is a condition that EUA depends on there being no efficacious alternative to the treatment available. It wasn’t enough to produce a vaccine and show highly selective data that points to its efficacy whilst ignoring adverse reactions — they had to destroy any and all alternative therapies, otherwise EUA which they needed (given that they had not gone through the usual clinical trial processes) could not be granted and, importantly, without EUA, they couldn’t also be granted legal immunity from prosecution down the line.
In short, the evidence suggests vaccine producers, those on the payroll, and those who stood to gain from rolling out the vaccines on a truly global scale, were driven very early on to destroy the credibility of any and all possible alternatives which would threaten potential earnings from the vaccines, earnings that may well be measurable in £trillions by the time this plays out.
I needn’t labour the point further. Suffice to say that there was a lot on the line for them and the only potential threat to making vast profits came from and could only come from alternative medicines and therapies.
I will be glad to provide links to scientific data and research that supports the argument that other medicines and therapies such as those mentioned were successful, in some cases dramatically successful, and understand that a lot hinges on doing so.
Brotherhood @ 5.15 pm is getting a bit hysterical again.
Perhaps his tin foil hat has slipped? Most folk when faced with decisions about whether or not to get vaccinated will look at the advice of professionals and experts. This will be true whether it’s Covid, MMR for their kids or their winter flu jab. Nobody is surprised to be told that there may be risks, but they make reasoned judgements based on what they are told by experts.
Doubtless a few outliers will always be found to tell us this particular vaccine is unsafe, or unnecessary or a ploy by Bill and Melinda Gates to inject you with a tracking device, but most folk see that for what it is: woo-woo.
If the vast majority of engineers told you not to use a bridge because it was structurally unsafe, most people will believe them. If a certain type of aircraft is branded too dangerous to fly by the safety authorities, most folk would not be prepared to board that type for their next holiday if it hadn’t been cleared as safe.
Two randoms you plucked from the internet represent a jungle track of counter factual woo-woo in comparison with an eight lane motorway of reality in the other direction.
Here goes again
James che says:
25 August, 2022 at 4:12 pm
Ruby,
I do not know any Gaelic to verse in,
Can I ask you if the word ” tint” can be found any where in Gaelic, as I have not found it anywhere other than spoken by the farming Communities in Scotland, and Do not know how wide spread its use is?
You know loads of Gaelic
REDACTED PHRASE
soar = free
Gu snooker loopy! = forever
Alba you know already.
You would need to ask an expert re the word ‘tint’ I am not an expert YET! ?
Just had a quick look at basic Gaelic grammar and thought ‘Tha Mi Sgith’ so might be quite a long time before I gain expert status.
What does the word ‘tint’ mean when spoken by the farming communities?
Have you every had a drink of the Glayva.
Glayva is another phrase I heard a lot as a child which I took to mean very good.
Glayva would be part of a greetin’ people would give on a nice day.
They would say
It’s Glayva today (but in all in Gaelic) and I would just repeat what they said ‘It is Glayva today’.
Same procedure if it was wet only replacing glayva with the Gaelic word for wet.
I expect people still learn to sing in Gaelic in schools. How did this guy learn?
https://tinyurl.com/5ybdxzc8
Beautiful. It’s the ‘Skye Boat Song’ which we all know.
PS I also learned a Gaelic song which translates as
‘Wee Donald Sugar’ I know Stu is not keen on the Gaelic but he might like the ‘Wee Donald Sugar Song’ He does like his sugar.
You all know the Gaelic for small don’t you?
Sorry I think I spelled keech wrong. My written Gaelic is …. well keech.
Snooker loopy! Lol
Bot doing word replacement.
Oh God! pass the Glayva!
Big slainte you devil!
I think I made a huge mistake enlisting the help of ‘The Alert Readers’ in trying to convert people to Gaelic especially the signs.
They are basically just too ‘faireachdainn’ pedantic.
Sorry but it’s true!
Pass the Ardbeg and make it more (mhor) and not beg (Bheag!)
Slàinte Mhor you devil!
Anyone ever tried a cocktail of Ardbeg, Glayva & Ginger Beer?
Looking forward to Ellis’s response to Rob Roy’s excellent 6.02.
CALLING INDEPENDENTISTAS: it was the UN that pressurised the UK Government into granting Scotland some degree of self-government.
Why did the UN do this? Because of being informed of the Claim of Right backed up by the Constitutional Convention with its support of 100,000 signatories [remember Canon Kenyon Wright “We the people say Yes”].
The UN will help Scotland again IF we can find enough signatures for Salvo’s declaration.
HAVE ALL true independence supporters on this site signed to join Salvo’s crusade? It is urgent – these are desperate times. We MUST act fast.
Andy Ellis says:
25 August, 2022 at 4:33 pm
Keech you can add that to your Gaelic vocabulary.
Alert readers will of course know that Gaelic doesn’t use the letter “k”
😀 OMFG that is hilarious! And from one of the identitarian twats on here as well 😀
Reminds me of the time Sinn Fein made a big deal out of trying to force Irish Gaelic onto the Roman Catholic schoolkids in the failed statelet, only for it to be pointed out the DUP had far more MLA’s able to read and write the language than SF did.
Mark Boyle says:
25 August, 2022 at 6:55 pm
Andy Ellis says:
25 August, 2022 at 4:33 pm
Keech you can add that to your Gaelic vocabulary.
Alert readers will of course know that Gaelic doesn’t use the letter “k”
? OMFG that is hilarious! And from one of the identitarian twats on here as well ?
Which part do you find hilarious?
I found it hilarious that I was given such a pedantic answer to what was a joke.
Sad that ‘The Alert Readers’ lack a sense of humour.
Hey look at this:
cac noun pronounced keech
link
cac – Scottish Gaelic-English dictionary
translations
shit · bugger · crap · defecate · stool · take a crap · defaecate · make · feces · take a shit · ca-ca · defæcate · shite · fecal matter · ordure · dung · poop · scat · dirt · turd · excrement
grammar
cac ( verbal noun cac or cacadh)
cac m. ( genitive caca, no plural)
cac m (genitive singular caca, no plural)
cac (past chac, future cacaidh, verbal noun cac or cacadh, past participle cacte)
@Robroy 7.02 pm
In short, the evidence suggests …
Hmmmnnn…does it?
I will be glad to provide links to scientific data and research that supports the argument that other medicines and therapies such as those mentioned were successful, in some cases dramatically successful, and understand that a lot hinges on doing so.
Save your breath and links. I’m not interested in charlatans pushing ivermectin, chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine. The nutters will along directly asking if bleach injections might help.
As for the rest of you TL:DR, just seems to be more of the same “big pharma” / Illuminati / Masters of the Universe / Great Reset woo-woo.
sarah says:
25 August, 2022 at 6:55 pm
CALLING INDEPENDENTISTAS: it was the UN that pressurised the UK Government into granting Scotland some degree of self-government.
Why did the UN do this? Because of being informed of the Claim of Right backed up by the Constitutional Convention with its support of 100,000 signatories [remember Canon Kenyon Wright “We the people say Yes”].
The UN will help Scotland again IF we can find enough signatures for Salvo’s declaration.
HAVE ALL true independence supporters on this site signed to join Salvo’s crusade? It is urgent – these are desperate times. We MUST act fast.
<Very interesting! A link please
Ian Brotherhood says:
25 August, 2022 at 6:40 pm
” Looking forward to Ellis’s response to Rob Roy’s excellent 6.02.”
I couldn’t care less what Andy Ellis or anyone else thinks , but I agree that is a superb post by Rob Roy .
If people want to persist in using by now laughably redundant terms like * Conspiracy Theorist * to attempt to dismiss the mass of credible evidence about what exactly went on with the whole Covid Shakedown – the incalculable financial / social / medical/psychological cost to the bewildered , painfully trusting populace/s ….that’s up to them .
If you believe the * Official * Narrative re Covid .
You’ll believe anything
@ Ruby says:25 August, 2022 at 10:56 am
“A new Panelbase survery has found that Scotland is even more opposed to Brexit than in 2016, when 62 per cent voted against. Now 72 per cent say they would vote Remain”
You know what, Ruby, you have convinced me.
I too intend to vote Remain in the next EU membership poll.
Yup, let’s self-id as still being in the EU.
Wibble, wibble, wibble.
Robert Hughes @7.42pm.
Robert I’ve no doubt that many, many folk have died from Covid, the origins of the virus is however concerning, if this is anything to go by.
What is the Great Satan (US) up to in its hundreds of biolabs around the globe?
https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1543259218995687424
NOTE TO SELF:
DO NOT FEED THE BRITNAT TROLLS.
@Robert Hughes (7.32) –
The reason I was looking forward to Ellis’s reply is because it was so predictable.
He lies, denies, then gets angry. And does his best to pepper every comment with personal insult.
FFS people, take Dorothy’s advice from months ago – ignore this troublemaking eejit.
@Robert Hughes 7.32 pm
It’s hard to say when this place turned in to such a haven for conspiracy theorists. In the end it doesn’t really matter whether they’re frothing at the mouth about the great Covid Shakedown, Chem Trails (honest to fuck….CHEM TRAILS…really?!), the Great Reset, “Scotland is a Colony”, “We wuz robbed by foreigners and only pure bloods should be allowed to vote”.
Those taken in by conspiracy theorising always claim to be party to slam dunk evidence (read assertion) not available to others, or that everyone else is a dupe and only they are capable of interpreting the special knowledge they are party to. It never matters what the relative weight of evidence is to people captured by a belief in their pet conspiracy theory, because their position is essentially faith based and therefore not open to reason.
I can provide links to extensive research on conspiracy theories. Not that it would make any difference of course.
*.01pm.
You forgot to add the Lizard people your slipping, what desperate comment.
@ Ruby at 7.25: Sara Salyers speaking at Aye Aberdeen’s Yestival on Monday explained this – the video is on their facebook.
There was an article somewhere by one of the people involved that described the work done for many years to inform the UN about Scotland’s position and plight, but I can’t remember where I saw it nor the name of the group.
@Andy Ellis says:25 August, 2022 at 9:39 am
“The risk of a healthy but unvaccinated 40-year-old man dying if he catches Covid is about 500 times higher.”
So, what’s your point, Andy?
How about the risk ratios for a healthy but unvaccinated 14 YO child?
A 4 YO kid?
It has been known for far longer than there have been Covid vaccines around that the risk from Covid increases non-linearly with age. Spectacularly so. Thus, it has been known that above a certain age, Covid is more dangerous than the vaccine.
And, below that age, the vaccine is more dangerous than Covid.
A good part of the “moon howling” was always that children were vaccinated, or it was tried to make them get vaccinated, despite the fact that the vaccinations were more dangerous to them than the disease.
Ditto the school closures, the masking, etc. Children and their futures were sacrificed in order to protect older people. I don’t see that as a justifiable state of affairs.
And, prior to Covid, nobody on here would ever have seen it as a justifiable state of affairs for any reason.
Amazing how your moral principles change when you start shiting yersel.
Andy Ellis @ 3:43
re
“Most people presented with those figures would judge that the risk of being vaccinated are worth it. The same kind of cost benefit analysis will be made in most similar situations.”
Dont disagree, however was somewhat surprised by the claim:
“conversely risk of a healthy 40 year old dying of covid is 500 times higher”
that makes it so
Reason being that National records Scotland reported 44 deaths where covid was mentioned on the death certificate in the 15-44 age group in 2020 (when there was no vaccine) and 102 in 2021 (when it started to be more or less pushed onto the younger age groups)
ie about 0.002% of Scots 40 year olds in 2020, and 0.005% in 2021, died and had covid mentioned on their death certificates so, ignoring obvious concerns about deaths with covid increasing dramatically with the introduction of the vaccine, this represents only about 10 times the outrageously high rate of 81 deaths per 49 million vaccines admitted to (rather than the 500 times claimed).
Worse yet, given that the vaccine did not prevent testing positive for covid (or having it mentioned on a death certificate) its far from impossible that everyone dying in that age group had a co morbidity (including, from 2021 onward, dying within weeks of being administered experimental medicine) so, with apologies to the reporter and editors directly responsible for any misleading errors in the piece, you may well have provided sufficient substantiation for extremely appropriate use of the scumbag label in consequence – chapeau!
@RoS 7.46 pm
Of course, i forgot to include biolabs on the woo-woo list. Sachs is hardly a credible source:
Critics have accused the outspoken Sachs of being a China apologist.
In 2018, Sachs wrote an article titled, “The U.S., not China, is the real threat to international rule of law” following the arrest of Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou in Canada for allegedly violating U.S. sanctions on Iran.
In April 2021, Sachs also co-authored an article titled, “The Xinjiang Genocide Allegations are Unjustified.” The piece argues that while credible human rights abuses have been reported against the Uyghur Muslim population in Xinjiang province, they may not add up to genocide under international law.
During his Gate Center talk in Madrid, Sachs was highly critical of the United States. Sachs also blamed Russia’s invasion of [Country 404] on NATO expansion, a talking point echoed by China.
Some of Polygraph.info’s previous fact checks about China and false or misleading claims about origins of the SARS-CoV-2 virus can be found here*”
https://www.polygraph.info/a/fact-check-russia-china-hype-speculation-about-coronavirus-lab-origin-in-us-/31931861.html
* https://www.polygraph.info/s?k=china%20biolab&tab=all&pi=1&r=any&pp=10
sarah says:
25 August, 2022 at 8:11 pm
@ Ruby at 7.25: Sara Salyers speaking at Aye Aberdeen’s Yestival on Monday explained this – the video is on their facebook.
There was an article somewhere by one of the people involved that described the work done for many years to inform the UN about Scotland’s position and plight, but I can’t remember where I saw it nor the name of the group.
Thanks Sarah. I’ll definitely have a look.
Have a lovely evening.
@Republicofscotland says:25 August, 2022 at 7:46 pm
“What is the Great Satan (US) up to in its hundreds of biolabs around the globe?”
Shit, Repo, hundreds of biolabs now?
Maybes they’re using the biolabs to clone other biolabs!
But look on the bright side. Maybes they are working on a cure for congenital idiocy.
P.S. We get the GS thingy. You really don’t need to keep explaining it to us.
Ruby.
I do probably know loads of words Gaelic, its just that not being allowed to speak them leaves this missing gap in how they are pronounced,
I suspect an original hidden Scots language lie’s within the slang english now named Doric,
It is well that the slang english of Doric is preserved for this gives us clue into the way that part of Scotland pronounced words.
The word “Doric” itself may have a jocular reference to the Doric of old greeks, the Dorians lived in
Laconia and Sparta, the Dorians were considered uncivilised, and Doric came to mean “rustic” in English and applied particularly to the lowlands of Scotland and northumbria, and also the simplest of the three orders in architechture,
Simply put it is an English description of Scots language they could not fathom or understand.
?
Here are a few words from and older Scot vocabulary, being swallowed up and presented as “rustic English”
And
Queets,
Tint,
Stramash
Glur.
Glack.
Quine,
Coothie.
Auch,
Loon.
Glakit
Skelpit.
Gyte.
Having done a quick check phonetically these are not slang or rustic English words, but are related to the Pictish covered area of Scotland.
And there are many more words that I know. And understand the meaning of.
I may supply the meaning of the word” tint” in the near future, but for now it is interesting that these words are not Gaelic nor English, rustic or other wise.
@Andy Ellis says:25 August, 2022 at 8:20 pm
I “have faith” that Covid came from China. The evidence that it is a genetically modified organism, i.e. man-made, is also strong.
What I find interesting is that there has been so little speculation about what that would mean:
1) A GM variant could be developed, milder than the original strain, which would be allowed to become dominant and universal in human populations. It’s deliberate release really would be kept a closely guarded secret. WTF – that’s exactly what seems to have happened!
2) A GM variant could be developed, much more dangerous and contagious than the original strain, and held in reserve as a biological weapon. Watch this space. It is intriguing to look at China and note that their practised continuation of the extreme lockdown model, when every other country has abandoned the idea, puts them in an ideal place for first use of such a weapon, if it exists.
Ellis @8.20pm.
I knew you’d add some shitty link to discredit the guy.
PolyGraph.info is owned by Voice of America Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty and is funded by the U.S. Congress through the Broadcasting Board of Governors (BBG). The BBG is a bipartisan federal agency overseeing all U.S international broadcasting services.
@John Main 8:13pm
I campaigned to get Grandparents to support first time mums by relaxing the rules around family support. In the end I had to go to Wullie Rennie and appeal to him to bring it to Holyrood. The SNP were AWOL on this issue. In the end Wullie got the relaxation but it took a long time. The result currently under medical research but initial findings are that Covid babies are under developed in their speech capabilities and facial recognition expressions. So I glad you introduced an age element to the discussion. BTW we allowed actions that resulted in the deaths of our old people anyway.
@John Main 8.13 pm
Unlike some in here I don’t treat principles as a pick and mix buffet. My point is obvious to anyone. I didn’t make any point about efficacy in children, I was simply pointing out the paucity of the covidiots reasoning. If you fall for the general covidiocy that’s your own concern. I happen to agree with some of the points made about whether it was worthwhile vaccinating children and/or the wisdom of school closures etc. I even said so at the time.
There’s a fair leap from believing that the way governments handled covid was sub optimal to spouting conspiracy theory bullshit as all too many in here do. It’s entirely possible you’re one of them on this issue, even if you’re relatively sane on others. Such is life. Lots of the moonhowlers are onside WRT to GRA and gender woo, it doesn’t make them any less wrong on their conspiracy fixations in other areas.
” Miss trust” in a interview said, if she became PM of Britain she would be willing to press the Nuclear button,
We can all stop following the climate change agenda in Britain then,
Run cars on petrol, burn coal and o what ever you want, you only have a short time before there is no green planet,…. after the nuclear button is pressed. Doh,
While they hide in bunkers no doubt.
@Ros 8.35 pm
I knew you’d add some shitty link to discredit the guy.
Oh, he doesn’t need my help for that. There are plenty of other links from many and various sources. Of course to an auld tankie and shill for Vlad like yourself, no source that wasn’t bought and paid for by your ideological masters would be acceptable, would it?
People will be able to make their own minds up about Sachs, just like they can make their minds up about you and your beliefs from your output on here. You don’t need my help to discredit yourself anymore than Sachs does.
We cannot follow the rhetoric that the old people are the cause of young people having to get vaccinated,
1: There is no evidence that the older generation demanded this action be taken from the government other than government advisors statements,
2: The elder population suffered more severe lockdowns while virus patients from hospitals were transported and placed into care homes, this Is was a government and NHS policy , murder of the elderly might be a more appropriate phrase.
Especially as there was not one witness to what happened, what meds were given, no relatives allowed in, cremations were almost immediate, a no post mortems.
James che says:
The only words I’ve heard from that list are:
Stramash
Glakit
Skelpit.
Quine & Loon I know only because when I was a student I worked at a wedding in Fraserburgh. I think everyone from Fraserburgh was at the wedding so they had to bring in staff from Edinburgh. It was a great job I had a ball. I also learned muckle and solids. I took awhile to figure out ‘muckle solids’ meant a loft of salads. Solids was just the way they pronounced salads.
Couthie I learned from the song ‘Westering Home’
Where are the folk like the folk o’ the west
Canty and couthie and kindly the best
There I would hie me and there I would rest
At hame wi’ my ain folk on Islay.
Lots of words in that verse I don’t know the meaning of. I learned the song not the language.
Is it weird that a song about Gaelic speaking Islay is written in Scots?
More research needed re the song ‘Westering Home’
I definitely learned that song at school in Scots. Can’t remember if we did it in Gaelic.
Here’s the tune. Song is in Irish Gaelic seems they are singing about Ireland and not Islay.
Copyright infringement?
https://tinyurl.com/4xutzmey
Hi Ruby.
Scottish cocktails.
I was introduced to the “Roostie Nail” by my brother-in-law via wife #1. Two measures of your Malt of choice and one measure of Drambuie – in a schooner or half-pint glass, with a lump of ice.
Bra’!
“People will be able to make their own minds up about Sachs, just like they can make their minds up about you and your beliefs from your output on here. You don’t need my help to discredit yourself anymore than Sachs does.”
Vanity Fair ranked Sachs 98th on its list of 100 members of the New Establishment. In July 2009, he’s got more establishment awards than you have brain cells he’s one of your mob. Now that he’s opened up on what’s really going on the establishment anglosphere and its security services such as you, are tasked with ostracising and discrediting the multi-award winner for revealing where Covid originated from.
He’s also the director of many institutes and foundations and he was Kofi Annan’s special advisor at the UN. He was one of yours but not now.
Executive Director, United Nations Millennium Project
Cofounder, Millennium Promise [1]
Lead Investigator, Global Network for Climate Solutions [2]
Director, Center for Global Development
Director, Friends Africa [3]
Director, Global Green Growth Institute [4]
Board of Overseers, Project Syndicate
Advisory Board, Chinese Economists Society
Advisory Board (cochair), Vale Columbia Center on Sustainable International Investment [5]
Advisory Board, Institute for New Economic Thinking [6]
Former Advisory Board Member, H2O Africa Foundation [7]
Visionary, The Vision Project
Patron, World Sustainable Development Forum
Check out his awards and honoury degrees, the man is/was Western establishment to his core.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Sachs
Now that he’s opened up on what’s really going on the establishment anglosphere and its security services such as you, are tasked with ostracising and discrediting the multi-award winner for revealing where Covid originated from.
Woop! Woop! Conspiracy theory klaxon. Get yer tin foil hats on folks! 🙂
@James che says:25 August, 2022 at 8:38 pm
” Miss trust” in a interview said, if she became PM of Britain she would be willing to press the Nuclear button
Hmmmm.
I am rather of the opinion that it is only the existence of a few people willing to push their nuclear buttons that has stopped Vladdy Boy from pushing his.
How does setting out to trash a country of 45 million people help the environment anyway? Is it the intention to re-wild the smoking wreckage at some point?
Or just extend the exclusion zone around Chernobyl by a few thousand miles? Turns out that nothing benefits wildlife like the total removal of the apex predator from the scene. Compared with the existential threat posed by human beings to animals and birds, irradiation is almost benign.
Brian Doonthetoon says:
25 August, 2022 at 9:42 pm
Hi Ruby.
Scottish cocktails.
I was introduced to the “Roostie Nail” by my brother-in-law via wife #1. Two measures of your Malt of choice and one measure of Drambuie – in a schooner or half-pint glass, with a lump of ice.
Bra’!
Could you top up my half pint glass with a diet coke please.
Cheers. I’m a light weight when it comes to the hard stuff. Any good cocktails with Cointreau. I know it isn’t Scottish but there might be some ‘Auld Alliance’ or ‘Joan of Arc cocktails’. I do like my Cointreau.
If not then Cointreau & shortbread would be fine.
This talk is making me hungry & thirsty. I’m off for a Srùbag & some Lidl’s Oaties.
Have you every posted Gu B r a t h without the spaces?
Andy Ellis said:
“So where does this false narrative come from that certain topics are taboo or can’t be discussed on a broad canvas? Has anyone stopped folk in here promoting nativism, or the “Scotland as colony” narrative?”
Also, you quote something Stuart said on Twatter, his take on the topic being discussed on WOS is, and has been, quite different. And you know it! He has repeatedly made you and others aware on various threads that he doesn’t approve. Here’s one of his more polite requests. And not a false narrative in sight:
Rev. Stuart Campbell says on 26 September, 2021 at 8:04 pm:
“I’m not getting involved in the blood-and-soil argument. It’s moot anyway, because there isn’t going to be a referendum. Kindly take it elsewhere.”
Andy Ellis also said:
“Nobody is forcing you or others to interact. You’re free to ignore me and others discussing the issue, just as I routinely ignore certain individuals….”
Strike through the words “certain individuals” and replace them with ‘Stuart Campbell’ for a more realistic reading of the situation. For someone who says the “nativists” are in a minority your actions don’t half give a completely different impression. Is your agenda truly to shoot them down or just blow your own bugle? That was a rhetorical question btw!
To ignore Stuart then tell folk to scroll on is utter arrogant selfishness in the extreme. You’re not supposed to be discussing the topic in the first place. And btw, i’m one of those who would like to see a full blown discussion on the issue but it HAS been discouraged on here. And once again, you know it.
A-L-B-a G-U Br-a-th is on the pre-moderation list, I believe.
Jings….
Have we got Arms Indutry Andy (Ellis), Chas, SkidMark & Main on the run??
They don’t like it up’em you know!?
Brian Doonthetoon says:
25 August, 2022 at 10:24 pm
A-L-B-a G-U Br-a-th is on the pre-moderation list, I believe.
Not as seperate words if you post G-U Br-a-th without the spaces you get
GU snooker loopy! I know my typing is bad but I definitely didn’t post GU snooker loopy!
The Daily Hail back with the old chestnut that Scots get more per head than the English and it’s at the highest level ever?
And again they forgot to mention that Scots pay in more than they get back.
Funny how we have more going hungry than ever, fuel prices trebling, mortgage rises every few weeks, nationwide strikes and inflation predicted at the highest rates every as we head into recession.
What would we do without England leading us into all this?
I do believe Stuart Campbell also said something about Covid & the war in redacted.
I think he doesn’t like it when things turn into a ‘pissing contest’ or as he calls it ‘a fuckin’ binfire’
“Effigy:
The Daily Hail back with the old chestnut that Scots get more per head than the English and it’s at the highest level ever?”
Ah, “The Big Lie”…The Daily Hail etc? (plus the BBC/ITV etc with MILLIONS of viewers)Hmm….yet “some on here” say the ‘meeja’ have no influence?
Que more bollox….media have no influence etc.
Scotland has no independently owned media.
The Unionist media -all English owned – drip, drip, drip feeds the Scottish people 24/7 via news stands and headlines but more importantly via the big audiences of TV and radio. Anyone who claims this doesn’t have an influence on folk is being disingenuous.
There will be some on here who shrilly cry this is incorrect but I would suggest that the increase in support for independence in 2014 was wholly because the media had no other option but to report both sides for a short period of time…..
If (when) we win this – it will be in spite of the media..
Oh and the UN prohibits ‘outside interference’ in independence elections…. “B”BC??
It’s worth bearing in mind that ivermectin’s effectiveness against SARS isn’t refuted by anyone and that its antiviral credentials are indisputable: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011
“Ivermectin shows ‘antiviral effect’ against COVID, Japanese company says”
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/japans-kowa-says-ivermectin-effective-against-omicron-phase-iii-trial-2022-01-31/
“Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.”
https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/08000/ivermectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.7.aspx
“Israeli scientist says COVID-19 could be treated for under $1/day Double-blind study shows ivermectin reduces disease’s duration and infectiousness”
https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-scientist-says-covid-19-could-be-treated-for-under-1day-675612
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/
Eih?
And it turns out the untested bivalent COVID injection being rolled out in the UK this autumn is completely useless. Whoever would have thought?
http://www.infowars.com/posts/untested-bivalent-covid-jab-being-rolled-out/
Ghost hunting business eh!
Now you see me. Now you don’t sucker! Should have seen this cow coming pal b4 going on the hunt for ghosts. What a bitch/witch.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/lottery-winner-is-dumped-by-his-partner-and-cut-off-from-the-jackpot/ar-AA116Kpe?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=68ec493abd218554a40ec749875abf25#comments
Energy costs just increased by another 80%?
An average family paying £1200 per annum now being asked to pay £3,549 p.a
This comes with the warning of major price increases in January and then again in April.
To quote the Kaiser Chiefs “I predict a riot”.
To find that extra £2,400 knowing that half your salary goes on Income and National insurance tax and a further 20% gone to VAT when you buy anything.
Higher taxes of course on things like petrol.
If you get any pay rise will it put and extra £5,000 in your gross pay?
This is only part of the story of course food prices are up about 20%.
Now you will see business’ close, job losses, millions hungry and freezing in their homes.
Crime will go through the roof as good hard working people face greedy banks ready to
take their homes away.
The affect on physical and mental health will finish off the NHS and finally the Tory goal of selling off the NHS will be delivered.
Not to worry we know Scotland can be ignored in Westminster and Ministers like Sunak and Zahawi who have Hundreds of Millions in the bank will hardly notice a thing.
A few years ago a survey showed 81% of Tory MP’s were multi millionaires.
Do you believe they know and understand the plight of the working classes?
Sunak doesn’t even know one!
I want SNP politicians demand independence and the return to self sufficiency in oil, gas, electricity and water after taking these resources into Scottish Gov Control.
The Bastille once looked impenetrable but a crumbling Westminster should fall with the outcry of a nation.
Effigy says:
26 August, 2022 at 8:03 am
A few years ago a survey showed 81% of Tory MP’s were multi millionaires.
Complete and utter exaggerated shite.
@Stoker 10.22 pm
Also, you quote something Stuart said on Twatter, his take on the topic being discussed on WOS is, and has been, quite different. And you know it! He has repeatedly made you and others aware on various threads that he doesn’t approve. Here’s one of his more polite requests. And not a false narrative in sight:
Rev. Stuart Campbell says on 26 September, 2021 at 8:04 pm:
“I’m not getting involved in the blood-and-soil argument. It’s moot anyway, because there isn’t going to be a referendum. Kindly take it elsewhere.”
The point being made was a general one, hence the reference to Stu’s refutation of the claim being made by nativists that they were being closed down, or told to effectively to “wheesht for indy”. Doubtless if Stu gets exasperated enough with the topic he will take action, as he did with “Country 404”. If zoomers keep bringing the “we wuz robbed” narrative up, and positing a nativist solution as the antidote, I’ll keep calling their bullshit out though.
The reason nativists are so triggered by Rev Stu’s absolute demolition of what passes for their argument, is that it hurts them to be on the wrong side. They may rather huffily protest that even Stu can get it wrong, and their allowed to disagree etc., but why do you think the train of regressive and often abusive extremists fluffing frnachise restriction get so hysterical and accuse me and others of being closet unionists, 77th Brigade, or Sturgeonista stooges…?
Why should those of us who value civic nationalism and see the nativist narrative as damaging to the movement as a whole (and indeed to the legacy of this place as one of the foremost platforms for pro-independence folk) be expected to remain silent when the moonhowlers continue to punt their xenophobia and bigotry?
Andy Ellis also said:
“Nobody is forcing you or others to interact. You’re free to ignore me and others discussing the issue, just as I routinely ignore certain individuals….”
Strike through the words “certain individuals” and replace them with ‘Stuart Campbell’ for a more realistic reading of the situation. For someone who says the “nativists” are in a minority your actions don’t half give a completely different impression. Is your agenda truly to shoot them down or just blow your own bugle? That was a rhetorical question btw!
It may be rhetorical, but it deserves an answer. It seems self evident to me that nativists seeking to exclude large numbers if not all New Scots are in a minority in the movement. They deserve to be shot down because – like Rev Stu – I firmly believe their proposed policy is not only morally wrong, but would be electorally ruinous.
Whilst I agree with him that it may be a moot point because we aren’t going to be getting a referendum anytime soon, I disagree with him that it is therefore not worth debating, because allowing regressive xenophobic narratives like franchise restriction to become mainstream is a gift to British nationalists and opponents of the movement here and in the rest of the UK.
You may disagree and think I’m motivated only by a desire to blow my own bugle, but why is that any different to those who post in favour of franchise restriction? I’m not the one accusing them of not being real nationalists, or being Britnat agents. That kind of routine “othering” of people in their own camp is the type of tactics employed by yoons during indyref1. The inability to debate the issue and resort to othering and abuse speaks to their lack of actual argument, just as it did with the britnats in 2012-14.
To ignore Stuart then tell folk to scroll on is utter arrogant selfishness in the extreme. You’re not supposed to be discussing the topic in the first place. And btw, i’m one of those who would like to see a full blown discussion on the issue but it HAS been discouraged on here. And once again, you know it.
It takes two for a discussion. If nativists set out their stall, I’ll respond. Doubtless if Stu feels aggrieved enough, he’ll intervene as he did with Country 404. I’m not the only one to think that was a mistake, but it’s his site. Unlike some others in here I could mention, I’ve abided by Stu’s restrictions when he’s imposed them, only to see the others involved gaily flaunt them and virtually dare him to ban them.
Perhaps unlike some of the others involved you’re capable of debating in good faith, and not accusing those who disagree with you of being tractors*? The real “utter arrogant selfishness” exhibited in here is that of folk banging on endlessly about 300 year old treaties, or posting TL:DR screeds about their pet theories, or punting their own 10 part series on why Scotland is a colony, or routinely othering fellow posters as yoons and britnats, or simply cunt calling them because they lack the intellectual equipment to formulate any more sophisticated response.
@James 10.35 pm
Jings….
Have we got Arms Indutry Andy (Ellis), Chas, SkidMark & Main on the run??
They don’t like it up’em you know!?
In yer dreams. You and yer sad wee posse lack the intellectual height for this ride. Sit doon and ye might learn summat, eh?
@James
If (when) we win this – it will be in spite of the media..
So which is it, is the MSM all powerful, or something people can easily see through? If the MSM was/is so all powerful, how come we added around 15% to the Yes vote between 2012-14, despite the uniform hostility of all the media and their fluffing of Project Fear talking points? I doubt many people would agree with your rather odd conclusion that it was because for that limited time the MSM had to cover both sides.
And if the MSM is so influential, why hasn’t the Yes vote receded since the No vote in 2014? You can’t have it both ways.
Effigy says:
A few years ago a survey showed 81% of Tory MP’s were multi millionaires.
Do you believe they know and understand the plight of the working classes?
Sunak doesn’t even know one!
Absolutely not.
You are probably correct that Sunak doesn’t know a single working class person but then how many working class people know a multi-millionaire.
I suspect I may have known one on a personal level. She was my friend while I was studying in London she was very nice. She had a flat in the Barbican where she stayed while studying in London. We didn’t really discuss money except on one occasion when she wanted me to do something with her on a Saturday and the issue of why I had a Saturday job came up. I told her I needed the £30 that I earned doing the job and she asked if that was £30 per hour. My Saturday job was an extremely boring awful, mind-numbing job in Littlewoods which probably wouldn’t have seemed so bad if I had been paid £30 an hour.
I reckon all these multi-millionaires are as out of touch as this friend.
The question is why do people vote for these multi-millionaires is it because they don’t know any?
Could it be they have no choice and that even the Labour/SNP MPs are multi-millionaires or in politics in order to become multi-millionaires?
I keep doing the lottery ‘cos I quite fancy experiencing life as a multi-millionaire.
‘Alert Readers’ very alert this morning. Alert and ready to pounce!
I’m lucky ‘cos Stu has order that I be protected from the pouncing.
Andy Ellis, Ruby: if either of you ever mentions the other by name (including any “clever” ways of doing so indirectly) again in any context whatsoever you’re banned. Clear? Not comment deleted, not pre-moderation, banned.
I have HAD ENOUGH of this fucking playground shit.
@RobRoy
“March 31, 2022 — Ivermectin, an anti-parasitic drug that became popular as an alternative treatment for COVID-19, showed no signs of quelling the disease or reducing patients’ risk of hospitalization, according to results from a large clinical trial published in The New England Journal of Medicine.
The findings pretty much rule out the drug as a treatment for COVID-19, the study authors wrote.”
[….]
“There’s really no sign of any benefit,” David Boulware, MD, one of the co-authors and an infectious disease specialist at the University of Minnesota, told The New York Times.
“For decades, the drug has been widely used to treat parasitic infections. At the beginning of the pandemic, researchers checked thousands of existing drugs against the coronavirus to determine if a potential treatment already existed. Laboratory experiments on cells suggested that ivermectin might work, the Times reported.
But some researchers noted that the experiments worked because a high concentration of ivermectin was used, a much higher dose than would be safe for people. Despite the concerns, some doctors began prescribing ivermectin to patients. After receiving reports of people who needed medical attention, particularly after using formulations intended for livestock, the FDA issued a warning that the drug wasn’t approved to be used for COVID-19.
Researchers around the world have done small clinical trials to understand whether ivermectin treats COVID-19, the newspaper reported. At the end of 2020, Andrew Hill, MD, a virologist at the University of Liverpool in England, reviewed the results from 23 trials and concluded that the drug could lower the risk of death from COVID-19. He published the results in July 2021, but later reports found that many of the studies were flawed, and at least one was fraudulent.
Hill retracted his original study and began another analysis, which was published in January 2022. In this review, he and colleagues focused on studies that were least likely to be biased. They found that ivermectin was not helpful.”
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20220331/ivermectin-doesnt-help-treat-covid-19-large-study-finds
James che says:
25 August, 2022 at 8:24 pm
Ruby.
I do probably know loads of words Gaelic, its just that not being allowed to speak them leaves this missing gap in how they are pronounced…
I find it interesting you say that, because in some of my own experiences, how a word is spelled is much less important than how it sounds. People speak words a lot more than they write them down, and often, when they are written down, it’s written by someone interpreting what they’ve heard, and the authenticity of the spelling is a matter of one time interpretation, but very often, that isn’t obvious.
That’s why I think it’s absolutely essential that a language continues to be spoken, and also why it’s worth learning languages even when you’re perhaps never likely to use them.
I think Auld Scots suffers a bit because of that… People are seeing words which they’d understand if they heard them spoken, but when it’s written down, you’re trying to sound the word by reading it, and it feels clumsy and unfamiliar. But that’s only natural when you grow up speaking and hearing a language, but only very rarely seeing it written down.
https://archive.ph/NvQdd
Lennie Pennie: Thanks to the Scots language, we are raising a post-cringe generation
This sounds good!
I was talking to a friend about the songs she learned in school.
She went to school in Glasgow and the only one she remembered being taught was
‘The Lass of Richmond Hill’
Interesting story behind that song.
Maybe there were no songs about Glasgow that they could teach the kids. I don’t suppose ‘I belong to Glasgow’ would have been appropriate.
They could at least have changed the lyrics to ‘The Lass of Govan Hill’
Now people have to work hard to undo the damage caused by songs like
‘The Lass of Richmond Hill’
Good Luck Lennie Pennie.
Cringe free Scotland is what we want.
INDEPENDENCE: Is anyone btl interested? I haven’t noticed much reporting of activity nor of discussion on how to get us out of this mess i.e. make our MSP/MPs actually apply our constitution and protect the common good.
It’s not as if the MSP/MPs have a difficult task – everyone, including Westminster, accepts the Claim of Right. It follows that if they don’t know the people’s opinion, they can ask us. No ifs, no buts.
We are in a desperate economic position and Scotland’s assets continue to be drained away. Our MSP/MPs have no right to stand back and say “we can do nothing – these matters are reserved.”
@Saffron Robe 2.47 am
And it turns out the untested bivalent COVID injection being rolled out in the UK this autumn is completely useless. Whoever would have thought?
Not according to the BMJ (cue woo-woo from the moonhowlers about how the BMJ is captured by big-pharma etc.).
“Commenting on the approval, Jonathan Ball, professor of molecular virology at the University of Nottingham, said, “The early data certainly suggests that the new Moderna vaccine, targeting two different flavours of SARS-2 coronavirus spike protein, works better against the newly emerged omicron variants.
“These variants have been the most able to escape the antibodies raised through infection or vaccination by previous variants. This should provide people with better protection against the omicron variants.”
However, Ball, who himself receives funding to develop next generation covid-19 vaccines, added that the virus was “unlikely to stand still, and omicron targeted immunity might push the virus down other evolutionary paths.” “That said, unless there is a major shift in the virus, immunity will continue to protect the vast majority from serious disease caused by emerging variants.”
Beate Kampmann, professor of paediatric infection and immunity and director of the Vaccine Centre at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said that the availability of a bivalent vaccine was “good news” but added, “The bivalent vaccines have not yet been widely tested in large heterogeneous population groups.
“In essence, I think it is wise not to recommend a ‘personalised vaccination approach’ but to go with the wider entirely pragmatic public health message that boosters are an important intervention for the winter period and should be taken up across age groups, as recommended, with the most vulnerable to be first in line.”
https://www.bmj.com/content/378/bmj.o2038
Who to believe though eh, the BMJ or Dr Joseph Mercola, renowned quack, purveyor of pseudo-scientific alternative health notions like homeopathy. Honestly, you folks are as hilarious as you are deluded. Is there a tin-foil shortage, or is just full moon?:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mercola
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-health-pseudoscience/upside-down-doctor
https://twitter.com/mattforde/status/1562046628663644160
Interesting podcast with Joanna Cherry and Matt Force…
Interesting, but at the same time, kinda hollow.
I confess, it feels like such a waste to hear Joanna Cherry, however eloquently she speaks, talking about the SNP, when what I really want to hear is what Cherry’s thoughts are on SALVO and the Scottish Constitution.
To me, the SNP seems like yesterday’s news, and frankly, I find the lackadaisical attitude towards progress on Independence to be insufferable.
I am conflicted through knowing that seeing the SNP getting a drubbing at the polls will not be advantageous to Scottish Independence, but my God, what else will it take, to register with these SNP underachievers that they were given a fkg job to do, and by a country mile, they’re not fkg doing it!!!
Impatience is not beneficial to the cause either, but of the two, at least impatience threatens to break up this cosy indolence and exasperating lack of action.
I genuinely believe politicians are badly misreading just how close they are to having matters taken out of their hands. I don’t mean violence, though that’s a possibility, but the emergence of a grassroots anger which will be very difficult to steer in a constructive direction.
The Westminster system will not accommodate Scottish Independence on a good day. We KNOW this! It will definitely not accommodate Scottish Independence when the smell of tear gas and smoke is prevalent in English cities provoked to civil unrest.
FFS… Get a fucking move on, before we find ourselves playing second fiddle behind English City riots, the way Scotland was playing second fiddle to COVID, Brexit, English Elections, War in Europe… and any other utility excuse of convenience.
Either shit or get off the pot.
@ Breeks at 10.20: I said much the same at 10.10 but less eloquently!
Who the hell do these MSP/MPs think they are to keep us in this mess?
@sarah 10.10 am
Is anyone btl interested? I haven’t noticed much reporting of activity nor of discussion on how to get us out of this mess i.e. make our MSP/MPs actually apply our constitution and protect the common good.
What exactly is it you expect ordinary independence supporters to be doing? The only MSP/MPs who are in a position to bring about action and change are those in the SNP. Good luck persuading that lot to actually do something more than sit on their hands, tutting loudly and opining that Scotland won’t stand for it. They are of course correct, we won’t stand for it, we’ll meekly stay on our knees hoping against hope that some deus ex machina arrives to do the hard work for us.
If folk were that exercised about the current situation they’d be out on the streets already, don’t you think? I hear folk almost gleefully prophesying civil unrest and people (finally?) really, REALLY meaning it about not standing for this anymore when the energy price hikes hit, but short of an Easter Rising type event, what is going to make the SNP piss or get off the pot?
Does anyone here or elsewhere honestly expect the unsavoury cabal of grey suited, Growth Commission managerialists and candy floss haired gender woo extremists to take radical action to precipitate a change in circumstances? Have I missed a threat from Sturgeon, Blackford or Robertson to recall our representatives from Westminster and call a Convention, or threaten to precipitate new Holyrood elections….?
If you or anyone else honestly think the SNP and Scottish Greens would put themselves in a position of going to jail for their beliefs like their Catalan equivalents, I have some magic beans you might be interested in.
For Ruby and James Che, tint is doric, which is part of the Scots language and not slang english. It means ‘lost’. It is not gaidhlig. Shein mi ‘Tha mi Sgith’ cuideachd aig an Mod Naiseanta. Agus, ‘Westering Home’ is an english song to the tune of ‘Eilean Mo Chridh’, a song which I once sang at a St Patricks night celebration in Aberdeen Boathouse in a duet along with an Irish woman who sang the Irish gaelic version ‘Trasna na Dounta’ (excuse the spelling of the Irish). I sang alto and the Irish woman sang soprano. We received a standing ovation.
sarah says:
26 August, 2022 at 10:10 am
INDEPENDENCE: Is anyone btl interested? I haven’t noticed much reporting of activity nor of discussion on how to get us out of this mess i.e. make our MSP/MPs actually apply our constitution and protect the common good.
I need someone to give me a hint as to what I can do.
I’m OK with boycotting M&Sogyny, Mansoon etc I can do that but I have no idea how to get the SNP MP/MSP to do anything. Before we can get them to do anything I think they would need to see a exorcist or one of these specialists that help people who have been part of a cult.
Inverness march: I forgot to mention that I attended the speeches after the Inverness march last Saturday. There was the usual positive and cheering atmosphere and AUOB said it was the largest turnout this year.
Speeches from local activists, a W Ross farmer Lucy Beattie talking about the need for food security, Sara Salyers of Salvo about our guaranteed Constitution, Drew Hendrie SNP saying Westminster must “do something”, Kenny MacAskill Alba saying Scots Gov can and should act NOW, and some Green Party activists.
For every article that supports the use of ivermectin, you will find 100 that say the opposite. That reaction (or over-reaction) indicates that there was a lot of concern about alternatives to the vaccine appearing, as I explained above — viable alternative therapies would have made it impossible for vaccine companies to secure Emergency Use Authorisation in the US which in turn would mean they could not expect immunity from prosecution down the line, something we know that they attached a lot of importance to (with good reason).
Ultimately, of course, viable alternatives would have hit sales of the vaccine badly, especially since the vaccines were experimental and known by manufactures to be potentially risky (otherwise why would they try to hide the adverse events data for 75 years, data that proves the vaccines trigger a wide range of serious side-effects?) and relatively poor in terms of performance (they definitely don’t stop you catching the disease and they don’t stop you spreading it).
In the background it’s clear that most “news” agencies are worried about upsetting Big Pharma who they depend upon for advertising, just as individual doctors and academics don’t want to upset them; doing so would negatively impact on profit margins and careers. Easier and more lucrative all round to play a cheerleading role, echoing the proclamations of influential people in the pharmaceuticals industry, their cohorts in health departments, and of course politicians, many of which are on the payroll, or to simply say nothing.
Anyone that doesn’t understand all that might as well be on the moon as far as grasping basic realities of the business world are concerned. Everything revealed in Manufacturing Consent about the nefarious influence of the arms industry can more comfortably be said of the Medical Industrial Complex which is actually many times larger and much more influential.
One of the positive spin-offs of all this was that the denial and elbowing out of alternative medicines like ivermectin undoubtedly resulted in a more people getting seriously ill and dying, and that in turn instilled a useful fear into people, making everyone more likely to queue for the vaccines when they arrived as the only remedy. Literally trillions of dollars were riding on all of this playing out exactly as it did and instilling fear was a key component.
Since non-covid excess deaths seem to be soaring across the world right now, particularly in countries where vaccine take-up rates were highest, it’s incumbent upon all of us to try and approach this subject with honesty, humility, and integrity. We could be at a very important crossroads in human history and failure to approach it in the right way could prove to be very costly.
I can see the appeal, but I don’t think it’s going to be possible to deny or ignore all of this in the months ahead.
Good luck.
Brilliant Fionan!
That’s very very interesting.
I have to go now but I’ll be back later.
Fingers cross the discuss about language continues.
@RobRoy (10.41) –
Well said.
The use of Ivermectin has had spectacular successes, particularly in countries/regions which already had experience of toxic BMGF experimental ‘vaccines’ killing their citizens.
If memory serves, Pfizer wanted to do the roll-out in India. India said ‘aye, okay, but first you have to tell us exactly what the ingredients are’. Pfizer then quietly ditched the whole thing, jettisoning billions in potential profits.
As you mentioned a few days ago the simple fact that these companies have demanded – and for the most part been granted – immunity from prosecution in the event of adverse reactions should, in itself, be enough to trigger a red flag in anyone with a functioning brain. And if that wasn’t enough, the simple arithmetic behind the standard testing processes (typically a decade or more) has never been given due attention – no government anywhere had the right to advise pregnant women to accept ‘vaccination’ when testing cannot possibly have been completed.
When the truth of this is finally established via some form of ‘Nuremberg 2’, there will be trials, imprisonments and, in some cases, well-deserved executions.
discussion
Sorry I’m in a hurry and multi-tasking
When the truth of this is finally established via some form of ‘Nuremberg 2’, there will be trials, imprisonments and, in some cases, well-deserved executions.
This is honestly how far some in the movement have sunk. Folk in our supposedly progressive movement for independence calling for the execution of people for holding views different from their own.
@Breeks 10,20 am
Interesting podcast with Joanna Cherry and Matt Force…
Interesting, but at the same time, kinda hollow.
I dunno, what it highlights to me is how tragic it is that we have a deeply unimpressive piece of work like Sturgeon in charge rather than Joanna Cherry.
History will not be kind to Sturgeon. Cherry however will go down as amongst our most gifted and impressive political figures.
sarah says:
26 August, 2022 at 10:23 am
@ Breeks at 10.20: I said much the same at 10.10 but less eloquently!
Who the hell do these MSP/MPs think they are to keep us in this mess?
Just supposing, not saying it will, but just supposing events took a turn for the worse, a few hot heads on either side sparked a reaction which escalated until things took a violent or nasty turn, leading to the Ulsterisation of Scotland.
I don’t think that will happen, but it’ll be the same difference for some people if they’re having their world is shattered by mortgage arrears and repossession, stress wrecks their marriage, or relations die prematurely because they couldn’t heat a room in their homes. Bad things happening which cannot be undone but which could have been avoided.
NOBODY in their right mind wants that to happen, but Jeezo, after 8 years of stagnation, squandered opportunities, and nothing but meek and gutless submission to Westminster’s oppression, could you really blame people getting angry and desperate?
FFS! SNP, you stand within the gaping wide window of opportunity, but you’ve been stood there doing sweet fk all for EIGHT YEARS now. If that window of opportunity closes, or even significantly degrades to heighten our difficulties, make no mistake you WILL be held responsible.
And as for Sturgeon, do you honestly think 2 amateurish Independence Papers which a High School pupil might have written on their lunch break is anywhere near remotely adequate? People want Scottish Independence delivered, done and dusted, yet you’re here, faffing about with polite opening chapters which are 5 or 6 years off the pace, and nothing more than a prelude to a banal conversation which nobody any longer cares about.
If you’re not capable of doing this, for God’s sake, stand down or step aside.
Andy Ellis @ 11:36 am
“History will not be kind to Sturgeon. Cherry however will go down as amongst our most gifted and impressive political figures.”
Whilst Sturgeon is obviously delaying and jeopardising independence, perhaps you could let us know what Cherry has done for the cause aside from helping to confirm the sovereignty of Westminster? I’m not so sure that’s the purpose of Scottish nationalists either.
Thank you for your comprehensive report Mark?
How many Tory MPs are Lords, Dames, Viscounts etc.
How many of them in safe seats have tax payer allowances for second homes worth a million plus around London.
How many had connections to blank cheque emergency Covid Contracts and PPE Supply contracts?
How many milked it with jobs for the Russians based here or for lobbying for big corporations like Patterson was doing?
Do you recall Cameron looking to pick up £60 million for trying to get a dodgy bank government money?
Cameron and Osbourn’s families had very big windfalls from Off Shore Investments.
The Panama papers identified the scale of privileged tax dodgers leaving taxes to the poor.
Fionan,
A big pat on the back and well done, you are the only one here that had any idea what that old Lost Scots word meant,
And have asked that question a few times over the last year,
I first heard it about 20 years ago when someone said,” a hae tint ma glasses”
These words of a true Scots language are becoming ” tint ” inof themselves, they are not rustic English phonetically sounding slang words at all, but they have been (encapsulated) into the Oxford companion dictionary as if they were by (Their ) ignorance, rather than ours, calling Doric.
Glack and Glur = mud, but different types of mud, one being runny and one being sticky, with a added smell.
Stramash = Chaos, a ruckus, confusion.
Queets = are your ankles,
Glekit = someone half baked or acting half baked
Gipe = is similar, but more emphasis on a person,
James Che , being an Aberdonian I know many of these words and enjoy hearing them / reading them.
Forfochen and cowkin’ to add to the list and loons to go with the quines.
The best solution to europe’s energy crisis would be for their craven leaders to refuse to follow every crazy wile e. coyote scheme, every geopolitical machination of the neocon israel-first chaos merchants who run US foreign policy and have an insane hatred for russiya because “the tsar killed my great grandad … ” – but, that’s not going to happen, so here we are.
The govt could easily sort this out; BTW OFGEM is fucking useless and should be shut down, and every quangocrat fired.
One of the problems of the modern day is how the language got perverted so words don’t mean anything or what they should – america is not free-market (it is viciously protectionist), and china is not “communist” (national socialism pretending to be marxism-leninism), the “conservatives” conserve nothing – they take a wrecking ball to the country and the “labour party” do fuckall for the workers, but are a cosy place for the middle class to obsess over antiracism and bottom surgery. Our economic system we call “capitalism” but it’s not really, it’s a hybridised frankenstein monster which creates a worst of all possible worlds – bailouts for the rich, freemarkets for the poor, welfare socialism for the plutocrat, austerity for those who have nothing.
– if the govt worked for the people, this crisis would affect no one very much.
First of all, energy is essential to life – in a cold northern country like ours if you turn the heating off – YOU ARE KILLING PEOPLE. Which is “wrong”, or something.
– the govt should make it illegal for the energy companies to cut anyone off. They should also be prevented from throttling supply via smart meters.
They should also be prevented from changing anyone’s direct debit rates; I didn’t know they could do this, I thought that was illegal – but I see they have changed the amounts unilaterally. This should be against the law.
They should also have been prevented from installing so many smart and prepaid meters; the prepaid meter is really just, “class warfare” in the raw. I would ban them.
Now, we wait and see what happens; some, perhaps a great many, accounts will run up sizeable debts. People who can pay will do so, those who can’t get breathing space.
– the energy companies are not allowed to charge interest on these debts, they are not banks.
The current high prices could be temporary, and return to normal levels in a year or so, or could be permanant; point is, we have some time to see what happens.
When debts become unpayable, there are procedures – insolvency, bankruptcy; more realistically, the energy companies can “take a haircut” and renegotiate a reasonable schedule with their clients. If we are talking about a lot of people, there may be some “class action debt management” solution offered. Local authorities could take the lead on this, if they have the balls, and why not? – it is names and faces to them, but an abstract concept “cost of living” to the govt and the middle class.
– if everyone plays nice, things get back to normal, and people stay in business. If the energy companies start whining – they will – they should be ignored; nor should the govt offer them any assistance. No bailouts, nothing.
If the energy companies go bust, then they should be allowed to do so; let them go bankrupt, cancel all their debts and the consumers – then the govt can come in and takeover the remaining assets for next to nothing. This way you get your “national energy company” – and it costs you peanuts. You see, without bailouts, companies naturally, as is the way of capitalism, go bust, crash and burn; odious debts are thus removed from the system and any valuable assets can be reclaimed by the govt, for the people, cheaply.
This is just how capitalism works – companies go bust, it happens. Do not feel sorry for anyone, someone somewhere had to “take a hit”, but so what; it makes no difference to them, it is just part of the game. The energy companies and their owners/investors have been making out like bandits for a long time – this is risk-reward, some you win, some lose; that’s capitalism baby. And these people are not “babies”, they have diversified portfolios and plenty hidden in the tax havens. Do not cry for them. The investor class essentially get “free money” to gamble with, and no one goes to jail – just once in a while it would be nice to see “capitalism” work out for the consumer.
You should also remember the investor class can make money on any kind of market moves – they bet on oil prices rising, and falling, they even bet on companies going bust as well as growing. They are always making money, some of them anyway; this speculation is part of the game, and when you lose on Monday, you will win on Tuesday.
Markets do have a use; they can solve a certain restricted class of problems, but applied universally, badly setup or regulated, they do not work. The basic idea though (in situations they should work) – “the invisible hand” – is that no one, particularly govts, should “mess with” them. Unfortunately when the govt decides to intervene it does so, always, in exactly the wrong way – bailing out the bankers for example; they should have let them go bust, put the bankers in jail, and made banking a public utility. Instead, they gave a blank cheque to the people who caused the problems, and fucked over the people of the country.
– it looks like the govt will be bending over backwards to save all these “energy spivs”, letting bills go up by thousands and slinging the consumer a couple of hundred. Pathetic. Worthless nonsense about wearing a jumper and not using the dishwasher – it’s all they are good for.
The energy “market” did not really work anyway – it was always a cartel – they would move their prices in a staggered unison, taking turns to be first. A market which is not a market, is worse than a state monopoly. There are a lot of “broken markets” in our system, gouging the consumer – cars, housing – it’s rotten to the core.
Yesterday we had Ian Blackford demand that the Tories do something about the Cost of Living in the Union Crisis, Blackford was of course just grandstanding for the punters back home in Scotland. Today his boss Sturgeon the betrayer also demands that that the nasty Tories do something about the Cost of Living in the Union Crisis, which is fast becoming a disaster, as energy bills are set to jump a whopping 80%.
This Cost of Living in the Union Crisis is a godsend for Sturgeon as she can finger point all day long at Westminster, and do very little herself to abate it here in Scotland, its a win win situation for the betrayer, the worse the Cost of Living in the Union Crisis gets the more folk in Scotland will look to Sturgeon to berate Westminster, and the more she’ll cry out vote SNP to protect Scotland.
However if the betrayer really wanted to protect Scots from the Cost of Living in the Union Crisis, instead of trying to save England from itself over Brexit, she should’ve tried to save Scotland from the union, but she didn’t she betrayed us in favour of remaining in the union, and did her best to divide the indy movement in the process.
Of course Truss who I think is a nail on for the next nasty PM has her own excuse she’s finger pointing East to blame a certain country for her governments own failings on energy, and the masses along with the Britnat media affirming her finger pointing, will fall for it hook line and sinker for it.
Does anyone think Sturegon or Blackford or any one of her spineless and gutless SNP MPs and MSPs will be worrying this Winter whether they have to chose between heating or eating. Sturgeon sold Scotland out and things will only get worse whilst she remains in office, and we are tied to this ball and chain union.
“OFGEM has confirmed an 80.06% rise in the energy price cap, sending the average household’s yearly bill from £1971 to £3549 from October.
First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said the “unaffordable” price rise could not be allowed to go ahead, calling for action from both the UK Government and energy providers.
The cap is due to come into effect for around 24 million households in England, Scotland and Wales on default energy tariffs on October 1, and will remain in place until December 31, when it will be adjusted again.”
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F20772980.ofgem-raises-energy-bill-price-cap-80-per-cent-3549-nicola-sturgeon-demands-action%2F
@Alf Baird 1.51 pm
Whilst Sturgeon is obviously delaying and jeopardising independence, perhaps you could let us know what Cherry has done for the cause aside from helping to confirm the sovereignty of Westminster? I’m not so sure that’s the purpose of Scottish nationalists either.
I come here to bury the SNP not to praise it. However, those who have listened to Cherry’s comments on the podcast, might find themselves agreeing that however hopeless the SNP as a party and a “cause” is, it’s better to at least have folk like Joanna inside fighting to change it, rather than see them leave politics altogether as she said she had thought of doing during her monstering by the TRA extremists in her party.
She also said she’d been approached by people in Labour and Alba to defect to them, but decided she couldn’t do it. I happen to disagree with her and feel if she and a few others had left the SNP it would have made a big impact. She specifically says that she doesn’t feel the time is right for a Sinn Fein kind of split in the movement. However much Alba members and supporters like me might disagree with her, I’m afraid the Scottish voting public still seem to agree with her.
That might change in coming months, or it might not. However, even if the Yes/No % changes, we are – absent some revolutionary change – still in the hands of the SNP membership and leadership to actually bring about action. Only they can precipitate plebiscitary elections in the short to medium terms. No referendum will be possible without the SNP supporting it, even assuming the SC and Westminster co-operate.
Finally, even the “cunning plans for indy” presuppose the SNP being onside. They aren’t just going to disappear like sna’ af a dyke, or like the IPP did a hundred years ago – more’s the pity!
Cherry as an individual has certainly done more, and has the promise of achieving more in the future, to advance the cause of Scottish independence than those pitching the “Scotland as colony” or “cunning plans for indy” snake oil for example.
I’m not enjoying the spectacle, but seriously SNP, the reason you now have a Labour / Tory Coalition running North Lanarkshire Council, (yes Ravenscraig North Lanarkshire), is firstly because you put a sex nuisance into public office, and it is also largely to do with your “Both Votes SNP” hubris at the Council Elections which was a gift to the Unionist parties.
And yes, it does seem extraordinarily dodgy that Sophia Coyle and her father are up to no good turncoats and set out to deceive the voters, but please spare us the father and daughter piety when you have husband and wife ruining the SNP while answering to nobody, and if memory serves, Sturgeon as I recall was also trying to get her father elected to office.
Whoever is in charge of SNP vetting needs sacked also, and would seem to require some vetting themselves.
Seriously, the SNP is turning into one HUGE liability for the cause of Scottish Independence, perhaps the biggest liability we have, and Scotland is running out of time and running out of patience with this craven incompetence and dangerous hubris running out of control. RAVENSCRAIG now has a Tory for Deputy Provost, Chair of Auditing, and Deputy chair of Planning and the only brain cells you have functioning are the dysfunctional ones telling you to blame it all on ALBA. Seems to me the SNP need to be given a proverbial and very non-pc “thick ear”.
Please SNP, you can do us all a massive service, get with the fkg programme, fast, and GET RID OF STURGEON and all her creepy duffers! You need root and branch reform immediately. And for god’s sake do it soon before this fkg shambles does irreparable damage to the cause, if indeed it hasn’t already done so. You’re a laughing stock with nobody to blame except your own deluded leadership.
Here in Scotland we struggle to keep our identity when a opposing culture bans and obscures our origins that includes language, songs and music, the community systems. Or changes is economic and political systems and Laws of our land,
and replacing them with their version of who we are,
One of the most evidential pieces of these, was the Scottish national dress, The Kilt, we now wear the modern version changed to suit a capture scottish army that became british, and enabbles the landed gentry to go around looking similar to tarts,
The original kilt was not fancy dress, it was developed over time, for freedom, to move, to provide a cloak and hood during wet or cold weather, it was you’re blanket at night, and the individual tarten designs and colours helped identify which family group you were from in Scotland when meeting took place, now called clan tartens.
Our identifiers as a Ethnic Culture to Scotland are being eroded,
and the old Pictish region of Scotlands language that used cover a vast area of Scotland has now been designated and incorporated into Rustic lazy slang version of English by the colonisers choosing to categorise it as such,
In amongst the colonisers views on that Scots are just speaking lazy Queen’s english are real gems Scots words of a more ancient language that have no phonetical comparison to English lazy or other wise,
It may be time now, to define the difference between the Pictish language of old and rustic Queens english the local were forced to learn.
Top economist says Scotland MUST obtain independence and get back into the EU market to see economic growth. There’s no doubt Sturgeon the betrayer knows this, but put the union and party interests before that of Scotland and its people.
Look at the economic damage leaving the EU market has done to Scotland, and Sturgeon let it happen without so much as whimper, add in that we now have the English government making trade deals for Scotland without its consent, trade deals that will severely damage Scotland’s agricultural and fishing industries, and Sturgeon the betrayers again didn’t even utter a whimper.
I just wonder how bad it will need to get, before enough folk wake the f*ck up.
“But Brexit changes everything” he wrote in the New Statesman. “The economic cost to the UK of leaving the EU could be as high as a reduction of 10 per cent in average incomes by 2030. If Scotland, by becoming independent, can avoid that long-term fate then you have the prospect of eventual economic gain right there … If Scotland can remain in the single market it could be the destination of the foreign investment that once came to the UK as a gateway into the EU. By accepting free movement, it could benefit from the immigration that has improved the UK public finances over the last decade.”
“He is not alone in that view – far from it. One of the world’s most influential economists, Professor Joseph Stiglitz (below), also sees independence as an opportunity. Stiglitz’s experience is one few economists can boast, as former senior vice president and chief economist of the World Bank, and a former member and chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers in the US. In 2001 he won the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences and is the fifth most frequently cited author on college syllabuses for economics courses. He is, by a fair margin, the most qualified economist to enter the discourse of Scottish independence.”
“Small countries can have their own currency,” he told BBC Radio Scotland. “The reason that Iceland, which had one of the deepest downturns in 2008, had one of the strongest recoveries was that it had its own currency. If there was a Scottish pound floating, you could help stimulate the Scottish economy. The deficit would come down to make it acceptable to joining the EU.”
“Whilst Sturgeon is obviously delaying and jeopardising independence, perhaps you could let us know what Cherry has done for the cause aside from helping to confirm the sovereignty of Westminster? I’m not so sure that’s the purpose of Scottish nationalists either.”
Alf @1.51pm.
I gotta agree with you Alf, Cherry like the columnist Ruth Wishart talks a good game but that’s it. I think Cherry is more concerned about what would happen to her staff down South if she went to Alba or really spoke out about Blackford and Co, than she is about the fate of Scotland.
Dorothy Devine.
I am delighted that you know these words and still use them, I wish many more people would keep that particular ancient language alive before it is drowned, by what known as a invented language of Doric, this is not a rustic version of The Queens English, that was forced upon that part of Scotland,
I to have heard the word Cowk, a good example is how the scottish politics makes you Cowk,
I have not used Forfochen, but it sounds pretty good,
I am Always learning, may I ask for a discriptive sentence that includes Forfochen ?
We need to divide the original Scots from the rustic English version of Doric,
There is a original Scots language belonging to the north/ north east of Scotland in particular, buried and classed as slang english under the all encompassing word Doric,
It is interesting that NE uses the word Cowk and other parts of Scotland use Bowk, this implies a shared word in Scotland from the past.
@James Che
It may be time now, to define the difference between the Pictish language of old and rustic Queens english the local were forced to learn.
You seem a bit obsessed – and misinformed – about the Picts. Nobody knows what the Pictish language was as they left no written records. Most experts now accept that Pictish was a Celtic language in the same group as the insular Brittonic and Gaulish languages. It was entirely replaced throughout its range by Scots Gaelic.
Gaelicisation likely took centuries, but was well underway by the reign of Domnall mac Causantín in the 890’s CE. It’s though Pictish as a language had been more or less replaced by the 11th century, although pockets may have existed for generations more. There is some evidence for Brittonic langauges still being spoken in southern Scotland (probably different from Pictish, and a hangover from the Brittonic kingdom of Strathclyde which included Galloway and Cumbria) into the 14th century.
Republicofscotland @ 4:10 pm
“I gotta agree with you Alf, Cherry like the columnist Ruth Wishart talks a good game but that’s it. I think Cherry is more concerned about what would happen to her staff down South if she went to Alba or really spoke out about Blackford and Co, than she is about the fate of Scotland.”
Yeah RoS, I tried to contact her some years back re constitional matters and got a reply from her ‘Chief of Staff’. I mean, a ‘Chief of Staff’ forfochen sake. What planet are they on. The reply was drivel an aw.
The private school/elite uni bakgrund has a lot tae dae wi privileged ‘elite’ Scots folks attitudes and values, to indy, identity and other matters; they juist dinnae ‘get it’ in the same wey the working class dae, thay hiv a quite different cultural and linguistic perspective in the wey they see the wuirld aroond aboot.
In the colonial environment the native exists between ‘two psychical and cultural realms’ as Fanon called it; we bide in ane an oor elites aye bide in the ither. Micht as well bi another planet fir aw the guid thay dae.
Priti Patel, uk parliament Quite likes the ideal of Executions as a member of westminster parliament,
She suggested that hanging should be bought back in Britain.
Liz Truss in westminster is all for Executions,
She said she would press the nuclear button to equal VP in that other country,
Two wrongs do not make a right.
BJ also said he would do the same,
In fact exterminating the Scots quite appealed to him,
The rhetoric for killing, executing, arming and maiming people is not a Scottish policy from the people of Scotland ,
unless your head of the Snp, who quotes Hillary C,
Contradicting her own speech of ” Bairns not Bombs”
Shes forgiven though cos she just admitted to being British, not Scots first,
Andy Ellis @ 4:34 pm
“and misinformed – about the Picts”
Its well known that the Picts were descended from Neolithic people living in Scotland, and that the Scots are descended from the Picts who were never wiped out or conquered. There was a bit of an alliance between the Picts and the Dalriada/Argyll Gaels in the formation of the Scottish Kingdom, the latter appearing via Ireland and bringing the Gaelic language with them. Which also suggests the Scots language which has likewise been aroond and developing for a thoosan year an mair follows the Pictish history and geography, much as James Che implies.
Alf Baird,
Joanna Cherry after a while is not dissimilar to the Blackfords and the Snp in general, as a lawyer you would think she would be right on to these flaws,
Perhaps “own Neck” is what they all have in common,
Btw, thanks for the descriptive use of Forforchen,
Republicofscotland says:
26 August, 2022 at 4:10 pm
Alf @1.51pm.
I gotta agree with you Alf, Cherry like the columnist Ruth Wishart talks a good game but that’s it…
I’m a big fan of JC, but even I’m now coming round to that way of thinking.
She has the ability I’m quite sure, , but seems unwilling to think outside the parameters of the UK system and Establishment, although I would very much like to see a discussion between Joanna Cherry and Sara Salyers. I’m not sure open rebellion comes easily to a QC, but all of that might change the moment we have Scottish Constitutional sovereignty with legal personality and the makings of formal recognition…. but that’s a chicken and egg situation.
The other thing about JC, is that she’s is perhaps the only player capable of rescuing the SNP from Oblivion, but maybe Oblivion is exactly where the SNP deserves to be.
But picture if you will, Joanna Cherry heading up a refocused SNP and working with Alex Salmond’s ALBA rather than against them, on a Constitutional SALVO type initiative… Who else besides Cherry would be either capable of doing that or be trusted enough?
We are all now so accustomed to the Scottish Government working to so hard to subvert Independence that I think we sometimes forget how massively influential it could be helping with Independence, though obviously under somebody else’s leadership.
If Cherry took over as SNP Leader and FM, (although she rules that out because she’s not an MSP), then it really would be game on for Independence. But from her Matt Forde discussion, I don’t think that’s her immediate agenda.
But if Sturgeon was to stand down, then all bets are off… The SNP could even walk out of Holyrood and force a Scottish Election… even a Plebiscite Scottish Election. In those circumstances it wouldn’t matter if Cherry was an MSP. If there’s a will there’s a way I think…
The other factor is, if we made a Scottish Election our Plebiscite on Independence not a UK General Election, we would really want two Parties, the SNP and ALBA to target List seats and a supermajority, and keep out the Unionists just as Alex Salmond envisaged…
It’s so very tempting to write off the SNP, but IF the SNP could magically rediscover it’s lust for Independence, drop Sturgeon, then we can truncate the whole Independence process and open up some dramatic options…
JAMES CHE
Little is know about «Pictish» except what is evidenced by place names. They indicate a P Celtic language related to old Welsh. Scots/Scottis is a variant of Northumbrian insular West Germanic which made steady inroads into the P Celtic regions in Lothian and Strathclyde and is not related in any way to «Pictish».
Old Irish arrived in mid west Scotland about roughly the same time.
English is an imposed language indeed.
Another alien are the so called «Clan tartans»,possibly a french word and a mid 19th century invention. Like the «kilt», a north English dialect word, in origin a Greek chiton like garment, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiton_(garment), not a skirt.
Both itemsbelong in the fake Scotland dress up box.
The military use of the kilt in the imperialist British army is enough to condemn it as is its newfound LGBTxyz connotations.
JAMES CHE
Little is know about «Pictish» except what is evidenced by place names.
They indicate a P Celtic language related to old Welsh. Scots/Scottis is a
variant of Northumbrian insular West Germanic which made steady inroads
into the P Celtic regions in Lothian and Strathclyde and is not related in any
way to «Pictish»,
Old Irish arrived in mid west Scotland about roughly the same time.
English is an imposed language indeed.
Another alien are the so called «Clan tartans» ,possibly a french word and a
mid 19th century invention. Like the «kilt», a north English dialect word, in
origin a Greek chiton like garment,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiton_(garment), not a skirt.
Both itemsbelong in the fake Scotland dress up box.
The military use of the kilt in the imperialist British army is enough to
condemn it as is its newfound LGBTxyz connotations.
Andy,
I presume you mean that non local historians do not think that a Pictish Language exists because it was not written down,
Thats perhaps as a culture of the Picts, the Language and culture were more verbally passed on or artistically passed on from sibling to sibling,
Writing and Recording Picts language may be very little in difference from Egyptian hiroglyphics,
Except that there may still be in Scotland a verbal tradition of their old language (Pict) however being subscribed to the bin by colonial Doric rustic English language over lording,
Perhaps it is wiser to let the people of N And North east of Scotland decide if all the words they speak every day are lazy english words/ rustic/ slang or wether there is some remnants of a older language that is in evidence here,
Who are you to tell them that all the words passed on to them generation after generation by their fore fathers are all badly spoken English,
There are words that have no parallel spelling or sounding phonetically that cannot be Swept under the carpet just because a non-local says so,
This dismissing and disregard for a peoples possible ethic language whereby they are forced to drop any links to their past by so called Colonial control around the world is a bit old hat for even you Andy,
Let the people that still live and talk this diminishing Language in that part of Scotland decide upon further investigation if all their words are old rusty English that has come under the umbrella of Doric, by historians that may not have had a clue other than an opinion.
“She has the ability I’m quite sure, , but seems unwilling to think outside the parameters of the UK system and Establishment,”
Breeks @5.04pm.
Its her legal mind, that has been trained for years to work inside legal parameters, breaking a Westminster law to her would be like the Pope breaking one of the Ten Commandments figuratively speaking.
What we need is someone at the helm, with guile and courage who isn’t afraid to bend or break a few Britnat laws to aid Scotland’s escape from this putrid union.
The only thing that Sturgeon the betrayer is good at breaking is her promises on dissolving the union, she cares so little for Scots that she wouldn’t dare breaking any rules to do with Drugs as its a reserved matter, and her utter capitulation to Westminster in that area, has saw thousands of Scots die from drug abuse over the last few years alone.
Of course when the public began to notice the deaths from drugs the betrayer appointed Angela Constance to Drugs Policy minister to give a few reassuring but empty promise filled interviews to the Britnat media.
No government can run a country with one hand tied behind its back, Sturgeon the betrayer knows this fine well, but is happy to continue with this preposterous situation at our detriment.
James Che , ‘ I wiz fair forfochan efter hingin’ oot thae wet balnkets.’
Or ‘I wiz fair forfochan listenin’ tae yon meenister for a hale oor’
Knackered is how I remember it being used.
Another favourite – though I suspect my brother made it up – was
‘snochterdichter’- which is of course a handkerchief or maybe not!
Ian Brotherhood says:
26 August, 2022 at 11:01 am
well-deserved executions.
Ian … Jesus tapdancing Christ, bro!
Effigy says:
26 August, 2022 at 1:53 pm
Thank you for your comprehensive report Mark?
How many Tory MPs are Lords, Dames, Viscounts etc.
How many of them in safe seats have tax payer allowances for second homes worth a million plus around London. SNIP!
And so on and so on with your usual stream of irrelevant to the original point “whataboutery” as we’ve come to expect from the comment’s section’s pedigree shitgibbon.
Your claim – without a shred of evidence – was “A few years ago a survey showed 81% of Tory MP’s were multi millionaires.”
Open Democracy just before Tinfoil Theresa’s disastrous electoral gamble said two thirds of David Cameron’s Cabinet were millionaires. If even they weren’t close to your mythical 81%, there’s bugger all chance the rest were.
Even the Express in an article of 17th March this year criticising the wealth of the twenty three MPs within Boris Johnson’s Cabinet could only find seven who had multi-millionaire status, ie. Sunak (£200 mil), Rees-Mogg (£150 mil), Zahawi (£100 mil), Jack (£20 mil), Cox (£6 mil), Gove (£3 mil), Patel (£2.2 mil).
In other words, a third of BoJo’s cabinet – including him – were multi millionaires, again miles away from your mythical 81%.
Given there’s 357 Tory MPs, and only a third of BoJo’s Cabinet were multi-millionaires, where’s the remaining 283 multi-millionaires required from the Tory ranks to make your “81% of Tory MPs were multi-millionaires” claim true?
Or for that matter …
1. the 257 under Tinfoil Theresa?
2. the 248 or 268 under Cameron’s two premierships?
3. the 273 under Major?
4. the 275, 322 or 305 under Thatcher?
5. The 268 under Heath?
That’s a full half century – never mind your “a few years ago” to pick from where your claimed “81% of Tory MPs are multi-millionaires” to choose from.
Go on, tell us which one is it with evidence for your claim – or just admit you were talking utter shite as usual.
@Alf Baird 4.55 pm
Which also suggests the Scots language which has likewise been aroond and developing for a thoosan year an mair follows the Pictish history and geography, much as James Che implies.
I’m not sure what you mean by saying the Scots language “follows the Pictish history and geography”. Pictish was totally erased by centuries of Gaelicisation. It’s likely the people themselves remained, but just changed culture and language. Some of the Pictish area north of the Forth was then culturally subsumed by Northumbrian anglo-saxon/ “Anglic” speakers from the SE of Scotland.
Whether the Picts displaced neolithic inhabitants or merged with them and overlaid their culture and language with Pictish is debated, it’s not “well known”. Similar debates take place with respect to whether Brythonic speakers in eastern England were displaced by Anglo Saxon settlement, or simply changed over centuries to become “anglo-saxonised”.
The weight of evidence now suggests the latter rather than the former, as there’s little evidence of mass population movement from the Anglo-Saxon homelands to what would later be England and Scotland. It’s much more likely an Anglo-Saxon ruling class ruled over Celtic peasantry who gradually lost their celtic language and identity. The same process may well have happed to the Picts who were first Gaelicised and then – at least those on the east coast and in Fife – “anglo-saxonised”.
Can’t be long until some moonhowler comes along demanding proof of Pictish roots before anyone is eligible to vote in a future referendum. 🙂
Quite funny these references to words… I was born and grew up in rural Borders, but early on, I knew expressions and words which Border people didn’t. Words like Cuddy, and Ben-a-hoose, and shut the yett. (I know what Yett is, but growing up, yett just meant door). The funny thing is, I just assumed these were country words that town people didn’t use.
My Father was Dunbar, and Mother Hawick, but the words didn’t come from there.
I recently learned however that my maternal Grandfather was from Aberdeen and a Colour Sergeant in the Gordon Highlanders, while my parental Great Grandfather was a Pharmacist from somewhere inland from Aberdeen, Huntley, Inverurie, or thereabouts…He had a shop but nobody seems sure where exactly, but some apothecary bottles survived for a time… years ago.
So words like Cuddy, meaning a horse must I think be from Aberdeenshire. There was also getting a cuddy-back rather than a piggyback, and also there was a log cuddy for sawing logs on. I seem to recall a clothes horse being a cuddie as well. Cuddy or cuddie I don’t know, it was never written down.
I seem to have family roots in the Aberdeenshire Highlands on both sides which I wasn’t aware of until fairly recently, though I’m probably too diluted by the Borders and Central Belt to be any good at it now Lol.
Having said that, if Aberdeenshire folk don’t know what a Cuddy is, then the mystery only deepens. No idea where it might come from.
And ben-a-house meant somebody was home but at the other end of the cottage where I lived. Like say somebody came to the door and asked if your Mother was there… Aye, but she’s ben-a-hoose so I’ll have to go and get her.
It sounds like a big house, but it wasn’t really. It was two labourers cottages with a door knocked through, so it wasn’t a big house but a long thin one.
And yett? No history of castle life or iron yetts. It just a word for a door. Nothing grand.
Andy Ellis says: at 9:05 am
“@James
‘If (when) we win this – it will be in spite of the media..’
So which is it, is the MSM all powerful, or something people can easily see through? If the MSM was/is so all powerful, how come we added around 15% to the Yes vote between 2012-14, despite the uniform hostility of all the media and their fluffing of Project Fear talking points? I doubt many people would agree with your rather odd conclusion that it was because for that limited time the MSM had to cover both sides.
And if the MSM is so influential, why hasn’t the Yes vote receded since the No vote in 2014? You can’t have it both ways.”
For such a stickler for details and calling folk out for being wrong so often, that is some narrow angle AE has found to try to call out James Che.
He has like he often does, omitted to incorporate all the pertinent info that he is very well aware of.
In this case failing to highlight the real power and influence of the MSM which induced the swing from YES back to No in the last week or so of the campaign once the full force of the MSM got into gear to preserve the Union.
Plus why would the Unionist leaning MSM in the years since 2014 want to go hard at it and destroy the NuSNP when all that would likely do would cause a vacuum and precipitate the creation of another more serious Indy Party for YES support to rally around to replace what is now a Union compliant NuSNP.
That’ll be the NuSNP which as he also knows has created so much dirt for themselves that the MSM can use it against them in the future as and when required.
Now will this post induce a response of saying “Aye, I suppose you’re richt enough there.”, or the usual antagonistic and divisive screed…
Dorothy Devine says:
26 August, 2022 at 5:47 pm
Another favourite – though I suspect my brother made it up – was
‘snochterdichter’- which is of course a handkerchief or maybe not!
That’s a great word Dorothy. It reminds me of stoorsooker which I believe is the Norwegian or maybe it’s Dutch for well I think everyone can guess.
I’m going to have to look up the origin of handkerchief it’s a strange word and it doesn’t describes what it would be used for. Hankie is equally strange.
Handkerchief isn’t used so much these day but we do use hankies quite a lot ie paper hankies
Hankies is one of those words the more you say the more ridiculous it sounds.
James che says:
26 August, 2022 at 3:58 pm
It may be time now, to define the difference between the Pictish language of old and rustic Queens english the local were forced to learn.
I’m trying not to lose my temper on this one, but “James”, seriously, STFU about stuff you clearly have not a fking bollocks about.
Andy Ellis says:
26 August, 2022 at 4:34 pm
@James Che
You seem a bit obsessed – and misinformed – about the Picts. Nobody knows what the Pictish language was as they left no written records. Most experts now accept that Pictish was a Celtic language in the same group as the insular Brittonic and Gaulish languages. It was entirely replaced throughout its range by Scots Gaelic.
Thank you Andy – please promise me you will never pass links to your daughter of any of the stuff that comes out here passing for “history”, as my guess her response to you will be “I feel one of my heads coming on …”!
Scots Gaelic replaced Pictish as the language of the courts and nobles simply because it could be written, and with the ongoing crisis with the Vikings (both those from Norway/Denmark and those from Ireland) standardisation of communications became imperative to the Gaels, Clyde Britons and Picts being forced to get their act together under a common foe.
Ancient Norse replaced Gaelic entirely in the Western Isles for a time – one of history’s little ironies!
@Mark Boyle (5.54) –
Convictions for forcing experimental gene therapy injections on citizens (in conjunction with concerted disinformation programmes) is inevitable.
In some countries, yes, that may lead to execution.
You’ll be aware that Indian lawyers are not exactly shrinking violets. They have experienced their compatriots being treated as guinea pigs by Gates, Fauci et al and they really don’t appreciate it.
Here’s a link to the Indian Bar Association’s website. Look out for the name Dr. Soumya Swaminathan. She’s a WHO Chief scientist. I don’t know where she’s currently based but it’s a pretty safe bet that she won’t be taking holidays in India anytime soon.
https://indianbarassociation.in/news-update-2/
Alf Baird says:
26 August, 2022 at 4:55 pm
… the Scots language which has likewise been aroond and developing for a thoosan year an mair follows the Pictish history and geography, much as James Che implies.
I’ve written before that one of the earliest place names written down in Scotland is Stenhousemuir written in 1180. The name comes from Stane-huus-moor, in other words the Moor distinct from other Moors because it had a stane hoose built on it. The stane hoose happened to be Arthur’s O’on, a Roman Temple build around the time of the Antonine Wall, around second century AD, and pre-dating the Gaels by 500 years.
So it seems apparent Stenhousemuir by 1180 had long been known as the Stane hoose moor, perhaps even for a 1000 years, before the arrival of Gaelic and while the Romans were fighting Picts.
Of course, nobody knows what the Picts called the Stane hoose in the early centuries, but certainly by 1180, the name was already an established place name.
Stane, hoos, and moor are apparently Northumbrian words, but obviously dating far further back in history than any concept of England, Scotland or even Northumbria. It’s strange to describe a thing as derived from Northumbrian English when it predates the earliest concept of England.
@James Che 5.41 pm
Oh for christ sake, facts are just facts. I’m not trying to do anything like the things you gabble on about, which appear to owe more to the nativist chip on your shoulder than reality. Now even your historians have to be local before you’ll believe them? Nobody is denying there was a Pictish language. Many very well qualified linguistic experts have however demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt that their Brittonic language, which was never written down and is only recorded via place names and a handful of inscriptions and personal names, disappeared a millennium ago.
Doric is a variant of Scots, therefore it’s based on the Northumbrian Anglo-Saxon dialect. It’s not a matter of opinion, just because you have an atavistic need to trace some spurious continuity from Pictish to Doric. It’s not about dismissing or disregarding minority languages or dialects. I’m all for the promotion of the Scots language and of Scots Gaelic. I do wonder which of the 10 or so dialects of Scots those proposing we teach it more generally and even prioritise it, are going to focus on: will there be a “standard”? Will it just be the local version? Will there be a Scots equivalent of the Academie Francais to guard the language?
If you look at the Wikipedia entry for Scots, you’ll see that there was quite a controversy about the fact that a teenage US amateur linguist who wasn’t fluent in any dialect of Scots was responsible for an awful lot of harm, in that he was responsible for more than half the entries on the Scots language version of Wikipedia. He was accused of cultural vandalism, in as much as his contributions need to be checked, “backed out” and replaced. Even then, some of the damage is already done, as his contributions will already have been used by algorithms and AI’s in the cloud.
Seems odd that it was allowed to get that far by those so attached to the Scots tongue?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/26/shock-an-aw-us-teenager-wrote-huge-slice-of-scots-wikipedia
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Large_scale_language_inaccuracies_on_the_Scots_Wikipedia
Kerchief
Old French cuevrechief, from couvrir ‘to cover’ + chief ‘head’.
Who on earth though up the word handkerchief?
Maybe it was someone who used their headscarf to blow their nose.
‘snochterdichter’ is so much better
hankie pankie? the mind boggles
Someone posted this yesterday but I thought Id’ return to it. It is too good to pass up.
“Ian Blackford has said he “loves” working at Westminster and talked of his friendships with Unionist MPs.
The SNP’s Westminster leader said that, despite the SNP’s ethos in Westminster being to “settle up, not settle down”, he had urged his party colleagues not to disrespect the Commons.
Speaking at the Fringe, he told an audience that he was firm friends with several politicians from other parties, including a Tory peer and the leader of the DUP.”
It says it all really, Blackford like the rest of the SNP MPs will need to be dragged kicking and screaming out of the House of Commons just like Julian Assange was from the Ecuadorian embassy. The diffence for me is that I have great respect for Assange.
The SNP MPs railing at Westminster during PMQ’s is just pure theatre for the masses back home in Scotland, Blackford and Co standing up in the HoC and berating the Tories is just for show, but many of the indy masses haven’t cottoned onto this yet.
They’ll be no settling up, troughing is the order of the day.
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F20759707.ian-blackford-says-loves-cut-thrust-life-westminster%2F
” I’m not trying to do anything like the things you gabble on about, which appear to owe more to the nativist chip on your shoulder than reality.”
Interesting sentence from a man who screams blue murder at the thought of English folk not getting a vote in a future indyref, if that’s not nativist I don’t know what is.
@Dan 6.14 pm
The response was to “James” not “James Che”. The rest of your contribution is about as accurate as your mistaken attribution.
I am indeed aware of the information you cite. Unlike you however, I give it different weight because I’m not a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist. Nobody said the MSM isn’t / wasn’t influential, the point is you can’t on the one hand say it’s so influential that it’s a huge barrier to our chances of success, then admit that it couldn’t prevent a 15% surge in pro-independence support between 2012-14.
It’s certainly not generally accepted that the MSM was responsible, even mainly responsible, for the supposed last minute drop in Yes support. Indeed many people don’t think the last few polls just prior to the vote were accurate at all. So there goes that theory, huh?
the rest of your post is just whataboutery. It “might” be the case, or it might not. The yoon press doesn’t need to do anything: the SNP is content to sit on its fat arse anyway. But again, if it was so powerful, surely it would have been able to reduce pro-indy support?
The fact that hasn’t happened suggests there are (many) other factors in play, and that MSM influence is only one of them and probably not amongst the more important ones. Chip on their shoulder “we wuz robbed” types lap it up though, sane as the nativist snake oil.
Interesting sentence from a man who screams blue murder at the thought of English folk not getting a vote in a future indyref, if that’s not nativist I don’t know what is.
It’s the opposite of nativism. It’s the very definition of civic nationalism.
I’d hardly expect someone who thinks the inhabitants of [country 404] had it coming and should be ruled by Vlad and his nice bunch of lads to understand.
There are also fragmentary remnants of Pictish language…
There is evidence that the Pictish word aber in place names means estuary or confluence of rivers, the very same way Gaelic uses the word inbhir… as in inbhir-nis for Inverness.
Kinda funny then when you see Aberdeen with Inverurie just a stones throw away… Pictish and Gaelic words surviving side by side and making it into 21st Century usage.
Ottomanboi.
History is wrote by the winners,
Not by inhabitants,
Greek itself has I believe has a latin basis in language very similar to the roman invading armies into Old England and later Wales,
It is these invaders that history is wrote by, the learned of their countries,
However an awful lot was presumed and filled in with self opinion where a supply of evidence of information failed them,
This has been the case throughout all of history, personal interpretations, this is now being re- considered with the Speech that Calgacus was supposed to have given according to the writing of Tacitus for many reasons,
Historians are re thinking how they had presumed or made errors in the past.
This in many ways is the problem that has been hiccup with regards the Pictish culture, it is from afar, it is unwritten and cannot be confirmed by historians as factual, all they Know is what others cultures think or say they know about Picts.
As with the Writing of Tacitus it appears that an awful lot of bluster is needed to save face and come out looking like history is on your side.
An awful lot is supposition is regulated to what another Country or race of people may have said when there is no factual evidence.
If historians are to be believed human in the past acted as a obsessive cult, sacrificing every one and every thing in their paths,
I doubt this to be true or accurate, but it fits in better with those that as a group have this belief in this system themselves,
We see this today within only a certain sect of people like potatophiles 😉 like secret sects,
There would be no time to weave, to fish, to go on long hunts for food, to collect berries and honey, to build your houses, to carve large blocks of stone, to make weapons,
History is wrote by the elites in society, it is a personal view and opinion,
Sometimes correct, sometimes inaccurate,
The UK governments opinion on reserved matters of the Treaty of the Union belonging with the English decision making part of Britain is of course only a opinion.
That all Scots had joined the treaty of the union in 1707 is of course just an opinion.
But is not necessararly correct history because it is wrote down, there are always two sides to a story, often one unheard.
This is where we are with the Pictish people and their History, to preferably think of them as gone,
It would be very convenient not to have any recognised ethic race in Scotland,
Even better to play down a possible second ethnic group that Co-insided in Scotland,
Colonialism is much easier if the world is led to believe and is convinced we all speak english, we all dress the same in Scotland as in england and they like us in our national dress in Scotland.
Mi n match the same as genders, nothing to define one from the other. That is Scotland History.
So a hostile screed it is then…
Remember folks, AE reckons there couldn’t possibly be a variation in power and influence level exerted by the MSM depending on the shifting sands of events. No siree, they just have one setting an zero ability to change tack.
FFS how naive do you have to be to believe this line of shite.
2It’s the opposite of nativism. It’s the very definition of civic nationalism.”
Oh my apologies that’s right British nationalism Okay, fine, good stuff, Scottish nationalism, blood and soil nativism.
As for your (404) comment, the Great Satan’s and its minion UK war on the country East of (404) will cost lives in the UK due to inept poorly thought out sanctions. The very people you work for are hurting their own citizens to benefit a few, and of course there’s Brexit which just keeps on giving in this Cost of Living in the Union Crisis.
Dan says:
26 August, 2022 at 6:52 pm
So a hostile screed it is then…
Remember folks, AE reckons there couldn’t possibly be a variation in power and influence level exerted by the MSM depending on the shifting sands of events. No siree, they just have one setting an zero ability to change tack.
FFS how naive do you have to be to believe this line of shite.
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The fact he does it here just highlights the fantasy world he inhabits.
@Republicofscotland –
Before we know it, or possibly even sooner, not being nice to Tories will be a Hate Crime.
Perhaps we blood-and-soilers could all ‘pair’ our pro-indy votes with those of the ‘native’ No voters to save us all a lot of bother and just leave the final decision to whoever’s left that can be bothered.
Breeks,
Language is not just speech, it tells you your history,
The mix of north north east language with Gaelic in some instances can tell us many things, such as having a common basis of trade between one part of Scotland and another,
It has the possibility to include that they may have marital relationships,
That the Calidonian’s grouped with the Picts and many others to chase out the romans from Scotland means they worked together as one unit when needed,( if we can believe the Romans) and later historian’s.
Now according to “Bede” in his writings the Picts came from Sythia, and previosly from Egypt, related to a princess that had fled from there, They had lived in Scotland since pre christian times.
but historians dismiss this without to much reasoning. While quite happily looking at king Arthur as being from england, such is the state of history writers and interpreters.
James che says:
26 August, 2022 at 6:49 pm
History is wrote by the winners,
Not by inhabitants
Oh, like the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle written by local monks detailing amongst other things being taken over by those pesky Normans and all inbetween up until the civil war between Stephen and Empress Maud?
@James Che 6.59 am
Greek itself has I believe has a latin basis in language very similar to the roman invading armies into Old England and later Wales,…
Step away from the shovel now. Greek and Latin are on two different branches of the Indo-European language family. They aren’t any more related to each other than they are to Irish, German or Lithuanian.
It’s not a sin to be so ignorant “James Che”, it is a sin to be so proud of it you’re happy to advertise it.
James che says:
26 August, 2022 at 7:17 pm
That the Calidonian’s grouped with the Picts and many others to chase out the romans from Scotland
Jesus fking wept!
@Mark Boyle 7.34 pm
Jesus fking wept!
He was probably in tears laughing at the level of zoomerdom being exhibited by the nutter collective in here…. 🙂
@Republic 6:54
Gie’s piece about Brexit FFS.
The best analogy I can come up with is that Brexit was like the prologue.
Act 1 was Covid.
Act 2 is the war that dare not speak its name.
Compared with the main show, Brexit is trivial, verging towards irrelevant.
“Before we know it, or possibly even sooner, not being nice to Tories will be a Hate Crime.”
Ian.
I’m sure Sturgeon the betrayer is working on it.
As for we the moonhowling blood and soilers who want more for our fellow countrymen and women other than being the Golden Goose for a foreign country to pillage at will, I suppose we should all just pack up and go home and embrace British nationalism, y’know the good kind of nationalism.
“Compared with the main show”
The “Main” show indeed, and if I’m not mistaken its a comedy of errors, and has been from day one.
Reported on BBC Radio 4 this morning, and now online, confirmed by satellite images, residents of Finland have reported the mass flaring of gas in Russia.
The deliberate destruction of irreplaceable fossil fuel resources in pursuit of geopolitical aims.
A crime against the environment, and a crime against humanity. The ultimate scorched earth strategy.
Come on, Republic. Tell us how that crime is justified in retaliation for the actions of your assorted Satans.
Give us something to keep us warm this winter.
James che says:
26 August, 2022 at 7:17 pm
Breeks,
Language is not just speech, it tells you your history,
That is spot on and a very interesting way to look at history
English for example is made up of loads of different languages. It includes words that were picked up in the colonies. There’s load of french and other languages. I haven’t looked too closely at that but I did do a bit of research into Spanish and I was amazed by the number of Arabic word there were in Spanish particularly in the South. That is understandable because the Moors occupied Spain from 711 to 1492. Did you know Gibraltar was Arabic?
Here in Scotland we do speak English but we include lots of other ‘Scottish’ words.
What would be interesting would be to look at our history through the language/languages currently spoken in Scotland. I also like the idea of looking at music & song to find out what that tells us.
John Main says:
26 August, 2022 at 7:56 pm
Reported on BBC Radio 4 this morning, and now online, confirmed by satellite images, residents of Finland have reported the mass flaring of gas in Russia.
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That gas is why inflation is so high etc.
I’d have bought some of it.
@John Main (7.56) –
Have just checked online and can’t find any source for that gas-burning story which doesn’t refer to the original BBC piece so I’m sure you’ll understand if some of us are sceptical.
If it turns out to be true it’s bad news but we can’t afford to believe a solitary word emanating from Auntie when it comes to ‘the war’.
Andy.
A nativist usually belongs as a native to a country,.
I am not a native to Scotland, I have however adapted to living and intergrateing with the Scots rather than forcing them to think like and be me.
When in Rome and all that!
Half of the Doric language is indeed old rustic English, while keeping in mind that Scots, Gaels did not actually speak english at all.
This makes half the Doric Language a imposition on the people in N, NE Scotland by a Colony from furthur down south.
One of the parts of the Treaty of the Union was changed and abolished, by Westminster due to its members not understanding of the old spoken Scots tongue, breaking the article on Scots Law.
Not because the Scots did not understand English,
This application of ignorance from the english writers, historians and speakers can be seen in how they viewed Scots making early attempts to learn English, as a second or third language in Scotland,
The presumption that Doric is Scots by English writers and historians, is an insulting attempt to curtail and merge perhaps an original language of Scotland into English by conversion,
It looses one the true and few Scottish known languages to mere abbreviated reduction in its very Colonialism attempts to claim that this part of Scotland spoke old english as its first language,
Fiddle sticks.
It is indeed cultural vandalism to interpret old N, North East specific words as being old english,
Moderna are suing Pfizer/BioNTech….all the lolz and popcorn.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-62691102
For all the zoomers who think that something appearing on the BBC magically makes it untrue:
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russia-burns-gas-into-atmosphere-while-cutting-supplies-eu-2022-08-26/
https://www.dw.com/en/russia-burns-large-amounts-of-gas-amid-supply-cuts-to-europe/a-62946208
https://atalayar.com/en/content/russia-flares-surplus-gas-it-does-not-market
https://www.share-talk.com/mysterious-russia-burns-10m-of-gas-per-day-in-huge-flare-near-nord-stream-1/
Doubtless they’re all part of some nefarious plot to blacken the name of Vlad and his nice bunch of lads….
James Che @17.17
James I’m sorry to say the Egyptian Princess known as Scoti was a myth created/used by Constantine II king of Scotland. The myth goes that she wandered a desert for 1200 years and in her baggage she had with her a block of sandstone weighing 152kgs, which was reputed to be the a pillow used by Jacob.
Constantine II being a shrew Scottish king gave Scoti a husband called Gathelos, a Prince of Scythia, and ancestor of the Picts, its was a deliberate part of nation building that gave Picts and Scots a common ancestor. Constantine II also Scotland the name of Alba.
If it cheers you up any, there’s very strong evidence that Robin Hood was a Scotsman, and if you want me to I’ll explain it to you in another comment.
@Ruby 7:57
I don’t think France was ever an English colony.
More the reverse, in fact.
As was a good chunk of what is now Scotland.
And while we are meandering through ancient history, here’s an interesting nugget to chew on.
The English never really got over being subjugated by France, to the extent that the ancient English-French antipathy remains a current issue. Think Truss’s dissing of Macron. And two world wars where the English would much have preferred to be killing French, not Germans.
Whereas the Scots. We embraced the colonising Norman French with open arms, even establishing the “Auld Alliance” to make it clear where our sympathies and interests were best placed.
History. Complicated, eh?
And even today, many in the movement just can’t wait to be ruled by Brussels.
Don’t you have word for them? Starts with ‘C’ if I recall correctly.
Ruby
Dorothy Devine,
Speaking about N, NE languages has encouraged the ” other half” to listen to Sandy Reed, on youtube,
And here in amongst it all you find some great original words that are not Rustic English,
I shall continue in my efforts to make people less hostile to Gaelic with the very little knowledge of the language that I have. Nobody else is doing it and it hurts my feeling when folk slag of Gaelic.
Sgian-dubh
We all know what that is.
dubh = black
sgian you can guess.
There’s Beinn Dubh. Any other place names that include Dubh?
I believe there is a character in Outlander called Brian Dubh. I find it hard to think of the name Brain as being Scottish.
Although Brianna does sound very Scottish.
NOTE TO SELF
DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.
@ James Che
It is indeed cultural vandalism to interpret old N, North East specific words as being old english,
So enlighten us “James”, what are your qualifications in comparative linguistics, philology, Old English, Gaelic and other Celtic languages?
You appear barely able to express yourself in English…or Scots….
@Republic 8:22
Just the other day, Scott was dissing those who bang on about fantasy and mythology. I think Ruby joined in too, in an ironic way.
You must have missed these posts.
But I want to be fair. Just like James Che, I can’t wait to hear about Robin the Scottish Hood.
The floor is yours.
NOTE TO SELF
DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS AND DO FORGET STU’S WARNING:
Andy Ellis, Ruby: if either of you ever mentions the other by name (including any “clever” ways of doing so indirectly) again in any context whatsoever you’re banned. Clear? Not comment deleted, not pre-moderation, banned.
I have HAD ENOUGH of this fucking playground shit.
If anyone wants to know who this ban came about and would like to have a similar ban just let me know.
Republicofscotland,
Thanks for that, it made me smile,
So the sythia story is original as old english Doric being an authentic Scots language in the NE, land o the Picts
I have reasons to doubt Pictish people spoke Doric,
@John Main 8.34 pm
Wait ’til they find out “Brian” is an admirably Gaelic name.
Haven’t these folk heard of Brian Boru, High King of Ireland…? The Battle of Clontarf 1014…?
I suppose if they’re so ignorant about Scots history it’s too much to expect them to know about Irish history, huh?
@Ruby 8:26
“Nobody else is doing it”
Honestly, Ruby, that is just embarrassing. It took me 10 seconds to find out how much is spent on Gaelic language support in Scotland PA.
If anybody cares, it has been hovering around the £29 million level PA since 2017.
Is it too much, or too little? I’m sure I don’t fucking know. Maybes we should approach a question like that by considering how well an appreciation of Gaelic will keep people warm and well lit in the coming winter.
“For all the zoomers who think that something appearing on the BBC magically makes it untrue:”
Flaring is a normal process for any gas producer.
From your link. the NED funded Reuters link that is.
“While most domestic experts have said that Gazprom could simply turn off the taps to regulate production, the company still has to burn off excess gas.”
Its also speculation as to how much is being flared, and there’s this as well.
“Russia has cut flows through Nord Stream 1 to just 20% of capacity and plans to shut it down entirely for three days next week, citing maintenance issues with turbines.”
Of course due to hasty and inept sanctions new turbines failed to reach Russia, like I said idiotic sanctions have backfired on the West and it will be the citizens of West (the poor to start with) that will suffer for the Great Satan/UK the war via the their proxy country(404).
NOTE TO SELF
Sometimes the trolls are useful in the same way as a stooge is to a comedian.
Basically they feed you your lines.
‘Robin & The Scottish Hoods’
Sci-fi version or non-fiction?
https://tinyurl.com/5ykrb9jd
Breeks,
You must have quite a good connection to the north east through you’re family, those words are still used as far as I understand, at least they were when I was working there,
I was never quite sure on the word Yett, i knew it meant door, but where i was the only Yett was on/in the sea wall,
Perhaps it is a particular door in relation to water,? Wether in a Castle, mill or sea front,
Others may enlighten me , is there any other old word for a door besides Yett.
John Main says:
26 August, 2022 at 8:34 pm
@Republic 8:22
Just the other day, Scott was dissing those who bang on about fantasy and mythology.
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I was banging on about trolls and their obsession with things like sci-fi, then you leapt to the defence of it, dissing the fact that it very much is fantasy and shall remain so. All fiction is, even if based on true events…see Wiseguy>GoodFellas>The Sopranos.
Stick to the clangers.
@Andy Ellis 8:46
And Brian in Family Guy.
Peter makes much of his Irish heritage. I don’t know if Brian arrived in the household already with his name, or was given the name by Peter and Lois.
If the latter, makes you think, eh?
Republicofscotland says:
26 August, 2022 at 8:22 pm
there’s very strong evidence that Robin Hood was a Scotsman
About as strong evidence as that the guy who works down the chipshop is Elvis and also a Cajun.
Andy,
Aye it nae a sin to be ignorant of combining two different languages and thinking they are one and the same,
Totally agree.
Scots language is not English language just because somebody says so, tot
Maybes we should approach a question like that by considering how well an appreciation of Gaelic will keep people warm and well lit in the coming winter.
Less cringe = more support for independence
More support for independence = lower heating bills.
Ruby,
Maybe kerchief is a hint to blaw ye nose an cover ye head at the same time refer to the voodoo vius.
@Scott 8:50
Nah Scott, not true.
I pointed out that you had classified sci-fi as a subset of fantasy.
It ain’t. You were/are mistaken.
Your refusal to see the difference means that just as you will discount the possibility of somebody turning you into a raving Yoon by waving a magic wand, so you will also discount the possibility of the authorities tracking your online activities by analysing and recognising your unique use of grammar, spelling, phraseology, etc.
To give but one example.
Your funeral, Scott. Enjoy your wilful ignorance.
Robin McAlpine?
He’s non fiction too.
Is there any Scottist sci-fi?
Do we not just do murder!
Andy,
Metaphorically speaking.
Andy as far as I can see, its not your education for good or that creates and presents someone ignorant,
Stuart Campbell!
C’mon man I’m being good and that Andy Ellis is breaching the rules.
@Ruby 8:58
“More support for Indy = lower heating bills.”
Care to show your working, Ruby?
Scott has a bit of a downer on fantasy. Pay attention.
Please explain how, in an Independent Scotland, oil and gas produced from Scottish territory will be sold/passed on to the people of Scotland at below the market rate.
Approximately 5.5 million people desperately need to know the answer to this one, so take your time to get it right.
Zero marks for “just have faith”. Just saying.
breeks , ah ken fine fit cuddy is.
James Che , how about Scotland the What and the ‘futret’ tale – their performances were full of rich language and I’m sure they will be on Youtube.
Alf Baird,
Asking a big favour of you,
Would you be able to give me any guidence or suggestions or acvice on where and what relevant books to read relating to the Picts,
Including any writings of you’re own,
I have a few books on my book shelfs but they are rather vague, many times I am having to check other subjects that briefly relate to this around the edges.
Sorry to have singled you out, but you are quite well educated on this particular subject as far as I can see.
Breeks , apologies for no capital letter and there should be an’a’twixt fit and cuddy.
Ruby , I’m not sure I like the ‘stoorsooker’ – reminds me of the instruction to sook snotters out of a prem babies nostrils as the means of clearing them – yeuch!
Early chronicles set Robin Hoods life in the politically turbulent 13th century a date supported by legal records of the time. As the eldest grandson of Prince David of Scotland (1152-1219) Robin Hood was heir to the Earl of Huntingdon, which was left vacant when his maternal uncle John of Scotland died in (1237) but he was disinherited because his father was a commoner.
The lands of his ancestral home were divided with a share going to his brother-in-law John de Balliol, the most notorious of all the Sheriffs of Nottingham and father of John Balliol King of Scots better known as (Toom Tabard).
The story begins when Robin’s Great-Great Grandfather David married the English Countess Matilda of Huntingdon, David went on to become King of Scots when his big brother Alexander died in (1124), so for the next hundred years of so the Earls of Huntingdon were closely related to the Scottish Kings.
Robin’s father was an earls steward who seduced his masters daughter, from the evidence that daughter would have been Margaret of Huntingdon who married Alan Galloway in (1290). Robin was also closely linked to two other characters Randolf Earl of Chester, and the well know Sheriff of Nottingham at the time John de Balliol.
From (1219) onwards the Earl of Huntingdon was Robin’s uncle John of Scotland, when John of Scotland died in (1237) the earldom should have gone to Robin. If Robin didn’t exist the earldom would’ve gone to his cousin Henry de Hastings, instead, the earldom was broken up.
Robin Hood was descended from Scottish Kings he was related to both King John Balliol, and King Robert the Bruce.
Robins’ feud with (Toom Tabards) father, might have been seen as a mirror to the feud between Balliol and the Bruce.
Haven’t these folk heard of Brian Boru, High King of Ireland…? The Battle of Clontarf 1014…?
No! Why should I?
I’ve heard about ‘The Battle of the Boyne’ but that’s it … and Brian Taylor although he’s not made history yet.
He does sign off with a Gaelic good-bye but he could have been named after a character from Monty Python rather than some King of Ireland or a character from Outlander.
Dorothy Devine says:
26 August, 2022 at 9:25 pm
Breeks , apologies for no capital letter and there should be an’a’twixt fit and cuddy.
Ruby , I’m not sure I like the ‘stoorsooker’ – reminds me of the instruction to sook snotters out of a prem babies nostrils as the means of clearing them – yeuch!
It’s sucking the stoor (dust) out the carpet.
Dorothy Devine.
Brilliant suggestion, and hilarious into the bargain as well, just the ticket to finish my evening while educating myself at the same time,
Many Many thanks:-)
Piers Morgan ‘interviewing’ Mick Lynch.
Make of it what you will.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=735uUCW3eIA
Republicofscotland says:
26 August, 2022 at 9:25 pm
Seven paragraphs of tortuous nonsense
Lifted, almost word for word, from the bullshit of Thor Ewing, a pound shop Neil Oliver who changes his mind over his own claims from book to book, a glorified pulp book author whose “market” is kidults who prefer their “facts” tabloid.
Copy/Paste from a tweet:
IMPORTANT : IMPORTANT :
If you’ve reached State Pension age, your supplier can’t disconnect you between 1 October and 31 March if you either live alone, or live only with other people who have reached State Pension age, or are children under 18.
https://twitter.com/cuddy271/status/1563105975128788992
So tell me Boyle which part is wrong.
Anyone fancy a pint?
Ian Brotherhood says:
26 August, 2022 at 10:22 pm
Piers Morgan ‘interviewing’ Mick Lynch.
Make of it what you will.
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Mick Lynch looks as much like the Hood as Ellis does Max Headroom or one of the Tefal bods.
Piers Morgan is a narcissistic man-child, making him ideal clickbait. And he’s a cunt, who likely loves science-fiction too much too.
Hi Ian B.
You haven’t had a look in ‘off-topic’ since you last posted there on 21st August, have you?
Really, you should dip in more regularly. I need to know if I’m booking a bus back to Dundee at teatime, or the last bus available on the 18th September.
@BDTT –
You’re right, I have not.
Just hitting the hay but will mosey in for a swatch tomorrow sometime.
Hope you are well mister.
😉
These BritNats are popping up all over the place.
BritNat Nic needs to upgrade her CV.
Looking to join Baroness Sausage in the HOL?
https://tinyurl.com/3cu3rruh
It seems strange that the leader of a movement built on a uniquely Scottish identity, after 23 years of rewarding employment stemming from this, would choose this moment to talk up her Britishness. Others more cynical than me might conclude that a CV requires to be upgraded. . Kevin McKenna
In case of any misunderstanding a ‘stoorsooker’ is a vacuum cleaner.
I love my Roomba Stoorsooker.
Ruby , love that – I ken fine fit ‘stoor’ is , plenty in ma hoose and pittin’ them baith thegither I got a cleaner . My point was that the two, prem babies with colds and hoovering are closely related!
Coorie dookit was another expression for being left handed. I’m left handed, but my maternal grandmother disapproved, and tried to convert me to being right handed so I wouldn’t be shunned by polite society. So I’m now I’m a proper misfit, right handed with a knife and fork but left handed with a spoon and continually forced to move to a new place whenever my terrible secret is discovered.. I think she gave up when I started writing with my left hand and began to disapprove of her
witchcraft and superstitionPre-school tuition.April fools day was Huntigowk… sorta. It wasn’t a literal translation, but if you fell for something on April fool’s day, my Da would shout “Ah! Huntigowk!” I also knew what a gowk was separately.
There were also words I strangely didn’t know. I didn’t know the word “wean” until my teens. Kids were always bairns. Weans is, or was, a West Coast Glasgow thing. I even wondered if it was maybe pronounced “wee uns”, but no, it was very definitely “wanes”. Very odd.
I hit “weans” when I moved to Stirling, where it also seemed odd calling your “piece” your “bait”. But that never took. I’m still a “piece” fella. Piece time is when you eat your piece, always will be, and bait is what you go fishing with. Piece or peace? No idea. Always spoken, never written.
Believe it or not too, I didn’t know what an Orangeman was until I was 16 and working in a petrol station. “Aye watch out for the Orangemen will be in today. There might be trouble”. Who and what the fk are the Orangemen? thinks me… But I just rolled with it, not wanting to appear stupid.
So all day long I’m looking out for these troublemaking Hare Krishna types dressed in Orange, while selling crisps and “ginger” to 4 or 5 buses of these sad and bizarre looking Boys Brigade wannabes / American School marching band types on their way to some Majorette marching competition in their pretendy wee uniforms.
So did you see the Orangemen then? Nah. Never noticed any all day. Don’t think they came in. Lol.
Republicofscotland says:
26 August, 2022 at 10:56 pm
So tell me Boyle which part is wrong.
If it comes without references and especially without footnotes … ALL OF IT!
Learn the difference between an academic history book – ie. a real one – and pulp pap to part idiots from their money, champ.
Thor Ewing? You may as well be getting your facts from Terry Deary! 😀
David Ferguson says:
27 August, 2022 at 5:50 am
It might be of interest to readers who don’t follow Iain Lawson’s “Yours for Scotland” blog that following an FoI exchange with Scottish Courts and Tribunals, it is now clear that there is no Court Order preventing the naming or identification of SNIP! as the actor who gave evidence in the Alex Salmond case.
Hey dipshit – you didn’t name names over on Iain’s blog where YOUR ARTICLE on this topic was published yesterday, and indeed there was a very distinct warning from the management afterward to people NOT to do so in the comments.
https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2022/08/26/update-on-the-freedom-of-information-article-from-yesterday/
those who rushed into print yesterday to name him in the comments should have sought Iain’s permission first. They were putting him at risk as well as themselves. The fact that he had been named elsewhere is not conclusive – bear in mind COPFS propensity for cherry-picking its targets for prosecution (cf Dani Gravelli / Craig Murray).
But despite the stated risk on Iain’s blog of it being used to prosecute, you thought you’d just come over here at ten to six in the morning and big fat post it up here anyway.
Well, thanks a lot! With friends like you, Stu doesn’t bloody need enemies!
James che @ 9:24 pm
“…..relating to the Picts”
Scotland was therefore already ‘Pictland’ to a large extent before it ever became Scotland, according to the historical and archaeological record, and the ‘customary foe’ of the Picti was the Britanni. This historical Pictish narrative does not of course fit the ‘one-nation’ Brit philosophy, which is no doubt why it is downplayed.
It also means that the Picts and Gaels were different peoples, cultures and languages as well as a different geography, who merged to some extent in order to repel successive invading groups. This helps explain why Scotland even today has two indigenous (i.e. pre colonialism 1603/1707) cultures and languages and associated geographies – Gaelic and Scots, the latter being descended from the Picts, the former originally moving in from Ireland.
To some extent the promotion of Gaelic (Gaelic Language Act etc) and continued marginalisation of Scots language seems merely another divide and rule tactic by the prevailing dominant power/culture – the Britanni – which has been deployed in numerous imperial/colonial spheres, e.g. partitions etc. (Interesting also that the FM claims to be Britanni, the ‘customary foe’ of the Picti!)
As Frantz Fanon wrote: “Colonialism is not satisfied with holding a people in its grip and emptying the native’s brain of all form and content. By a kind of perverted logic, it turns to the past of an oppressed people, and distorts, disfigures and destroys it. This work of devaluing pre-colonial history takes on a dialectical significance today.”
And as Albert Memmi on the colonized: “He is in no way a subject of history any more”
Alf Baird says:
27 August, 2022 at 9:28 am
…the ‘customary foe’ of the Picti was the Britanni. This historical Pictish narrative does not of course fit the ‘one-nation’ Brit philosophy, which is no doubt why it is downplayed.
To some extent the promotion of Gaelic (Gaelic Language Act etc) and continued marginalisation of Scots language seems merely another divide and rule tactic by the prevailing dominant power/culture – the Britanni – which has been deployed in numerous imperial/colonial spheres, e.g. partitions etc. (Interesting also that the FM claims to be Britanni, the ‘customary foe’ of the Picti!)
Okay, this is beyond ludicrous.
Firstly, it was the Picts and Gaels who did all the attempts to dominate the Britons – but were continually repulsed in all their attacks on Alt Clut (ie. Dumbarton Rock) – their capital. When the Viking Sea King Olaf the White of Dublin succeeded where the Picts and Gaels failed and took it (butchering or enslaving all the inhabitants regardless of age), the King of the Picts Constantine I paid Olaf to murder the Clyde Briton King Arthgal in 872 whilst the shattered Clyde Britons were still trying to raise their king’s ransom.
Olaf paid his “ally” Constantine back by attacking the Picts along with Vikings from Denmark and shaking down “tribute” from them – and a mere five years later Constantine was beheaded by the Vikings after defeat in battle. What followed was twenty five years of the Vikings raiding and pillaging almost at will, and the only thing that stopped them wiping out the Picts, Gaels and Britons was their tendency like all brigands to fight with each other over the spoils.
Secondly, it was the Picts, as the dominant tribe of the union of the Scottish groups, who called the plays, including the use of Gaelic, even though it was not their own, and that was through sheer pragmatics (ie. a written language which could be used to pass on messages, record agreements, etc) when they were being forced to unite under a common foe (the Vikings) hell bent (so it seemed …) on slowly exterminating them over time.
Finally, your “Britanni” were a Celtic tribe of mainly WELSH extraction, NOT the same as what we refer to as the British (ie. mainly English) today. You’re feebly trying to conflate with winks and nudges one thing with another, and as a trained academic you should damn well know better.
The Romans knew who were the unbeatable tribes even if Mark Boyle likes to confuse historical data and sound superior.
They saw those in the North wwere different from the supine lot in the south. Even their homes (brochs) were different from anything in the south, and so the Romans first built Hadrian’s wall and then Antonine’s wall in Scotland before giving up a losing goal and going home.
Those in the North could not be tamed or beaten, with our without a few trillion midges at their disposal, as Cromwell’s own parliamentarians knew when they refused to subsume Scotland into England.
“If it comes without references and especially without footnotes … ALL OF IT!”
Boyle so that’s it, its took you all night to come up with that, as an example John Balliol (Sheriff of Nottingham) according to the establishments favourite reference site he was the Sheriff of Nottingham, and the other characters and timelines appear also to be correct.
It might not be conclusive evidence that might never be found, but it cannot be excluded
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_I_de_Balliol
Gareth says:
27 August, 2022 at 10:36 am
The Romans knew who were the unbeatable tribes even if Mark Boyle likes to confuse historical data and sound superior.
They saw those in the North wwere different from the supine lot in the south. Even their homes (brochs) were different from anything in the south, and so the Romans first built Hadrian’s wall and then Antonine’s wall in Scotland before giving up a losing goal and going home.
Those in the North could not be tamed or beaten, with our without a few trillion midges at their disposal, as Cromwell’s own parliamentarians knew when they refused to subsume Scotland into England.
Go home Grouse Beater, you’re drunk.
Grouse beater@10.36am.
Straight from the establishments favourite propaganda machine, looks like ty agree with you.
“Known as ‘Picti’ by the Romans, meaning ‘Painted Ones’ in Latin, these northern tribes constituted the largest kingdom in Dark Age Scotland. They repelled the conquests of both Romans and Angles, creating a true north-south divide on the British Isles, only to disappear from history by the end of the first millennium – swallowed whole by the history of another group, the Gaels. Together they created the Kingdom of Alba.”
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fscotland%2Fhistory%2Farticles%2Fkingdom_of_the_picts%2F
“Go home Grouse Beater, you’re drunk” Boyle 10.36
Shown up for the chancer he is, Mark Boyle resorts to the insult to boost his ego, but remains the dunce he will always be.
It’s interesting for a non-historian to read all this stuff about Picts and Gaels and suchlike. Just a shame there’s so much squabbling over it all but that’s inevitable I suppose, especially if a tribe/race hasn’t left any first-hand testimony.
Makes ye wonder – who will write the definitive account of what’s been happening in Scotland in the last decade or so? If it’s left to the woke globalist roasters then it’ll be a Fairytale from Hell. All the more reason for this place to keep going regardless of how many of us come and go and fall out or whatever.
‘Just Say No!’
🙂 🙂 🙂
https://twitter.com/NotMikeHarlow/status/1562850456463761408
Robin McAlpine here, putting the Scottish govt to shame.
http://robinmcalpine.org/someone-has-to-start-acting-like-they-have-responsibility-for-the-wellbeing-of-the-people-of-scotland/
Gareth says:
27 August, 2022 at 11:16 am
“Go home Grouse Beater, you’re drunk” Boyle 10.36
Shown up for the chancer he is, Mark Boyle resorts to the insult to boost his ego, but remains the dunce he will always be.
Alright, king of the Cybersots, I’ll play in your court. At least you’re doing it under your own name this time than one of your alias (although that was probably an error on your part in your rush to post).
Every serious historian concurs the Romans pulled out of Scotland for economic reasons – not military – as their empire found itself under attack from better organised tribes (esp. the Visigoths) by the turn into the fifth century, and there was bugger all reason to maintain a presence in an area which provided little returns in their investment in time, resources and money. How ‘serious’ was their attempts to keep Scotland can be gauged in the fact large chunks of Antonine’s Wall – unlike Hadrian’s Wall – were made using peat bricks, not stone!
Most of Rome’s incursions further north were down to internal Roman politics (budding future senators wanting to show their “leadership” qualities in the time honoured way by clobbering the nearest barbarians) rather than any serious desire to seize the entire of Scotland, which to them was a cold soggy shithole of zero interest to those used to a Mediterranean climate (at least Britannia had hot spas …).
The extent of the “Pax Romana” always came down to what bang they were getting for their buck, not holding territory for territory’s sake even for strategic reasons (unlike later empires …). They didn’t even bother with Ireland, which to them was one giant block of impenetrable bogs and forests not worth the taking.
So, once again, go home Grouse Beater, you’re drunk!
@Alf Baird 9.28 am
Gaelic and Scots, the latter being descended from the Picts, the former originally moving in from Ireland.
Ahistorical anachronistic claptrap. The idea that “Scots” whether as a culture or a language is descended from the Picts is fanciful. The language has SFA to do with the Pictish language, being an Anglic language variety within the West Germanic language family. Similarly Scots as a culture now has about as much to do with the extinguished Pictish culture as moderns French culture has to do with early Frankish culture, or modern Italian culture has to do with the Lombards and the Ostrogoths.
@Mark Boyle 10.15 am
You’re feebly trying to conflate with winks and nudges one thing with another, and as a trained academic you should damn well know better.
Well said. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, as the “Scotland as colony” snak oil salesman in chief continually reminds us.
Shown up for the chancer he is, Mark Boyle resorts to the insult to boost his ego, but remains the dunce he will always be.
This from the mile wide and graphene thick ego that casually referred to me as “English Ellis” for having the temerity to take issue with his regressive nativism.
Mote and eye springs to mind.
“Alright, king of the Cybersots” Lance Boyle 11.16
Don’t have time to indulge colonial watchdogs, or throw them a bone. You have lost Scotland. (Suck it up’ – Alistair Jack)
Look behind you, a near bankrupt England is on fire!
Interesting the past few comments got me thinking.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=mark+boyle+historian&cvid=a98b1d2a2bb04e23ac30ae6d67a77be4&aqs=edge..69i57j0.7977j0j1&pglt=171&FORM=ANNTA1&DAF1=1&PC=DCTS
Should be this link apologies.
https://www.maynoothuniversity.ie/faculty-social-sciences/our-people/mark-boyle
I don’t know of any Scottish science fiction writers but then I don’t read sci-fi.
I did read ‘Outlander’ aka ‘The Life of Brian’ that’s sci-fi but the author is American. I found it a bit far fetched but the scenery in the film version is fantastic. Music also good and it’s a bloody marvellous tourist attraction.
We have loads of authors all writing about ‘how there’s been a murder’ they are very good at it and are popular all over the world even Val. We’re not so well know for our sci-fi.
(I though it was safe to say that ‘cos if I’m wrong one of the four ‘alert readers’ will be along pdq to tell me how stupid I am and they’ll post a long list of Tartan Sci-fi writers.)
Getting back to ‘The Life of Brain’ and my daily Gaelic lessons.
Sometimes Brain Dubh is referred to as MacDubh.
I think he should have been given a longer title than that …. he’s been robbed.
Mac as you all know is son of (Mc in the Irish)In Gaelic speaking parts of Scotland you wouldn’t just be referred to as MacDubh. You would be Mac then your father or maybe your mothers name then your grandfathers name and his nickname. Not sure if Dubh (Black) is the father’s nick name or not anyway poor old Brian has been robbed of his family tree.
For females the Mac would be replaced with nighean (daughter of) Nighean Brian Brian Brian Dubh. Just guessing that Brian’s dad, Grandad & Great Granda were all called Brian. Probably the whole family were called Brian…it’s just so Scottish.
We all know that Mac is widely used in Scottish English but what I’m wonder is if the female version nighean is being used in any way in Scottish English. ie Place names or surnames. Can you help.
It’s pronounced kinda like Iain with a n. (well that’s how I pronounce it)
Scottish English = what we speak here in Scotland
More later re my vision for Scottish English.
Ian Brotherhood says:
27 August, 2022 at 11:21 am
It’s interesting for a non-historian to read all this stuff about Picts and Gaels and suchlike. Just a shame there’s so much squabbling over it all but that’s inevitable I suppose, especially if a tribe/race hasn’t left any first-hand testimony.
Sally Forster’s ‘Picts, Gaels and Scots’ is a good starting point, and Tim Clarkson’s ‘The Picts’ is good for just that topic, just bear in mind Clarkson’s trust in the Venerable Bede …
The further back one goes, the less reliable the written records (if any), and the more dependent things are on archaeological discoveries (and preying grave robbers or nighthawk shitehawks didn’t get there first …). But that’s part of the fun of medieval history, everything’s just one Sutton Hoo or Ballinderry away from a millenia’s worth of knowledge trashed and everything being up for reinterpretation again.
Ian Brotherhood @ 11:21 am
“who will write the definitive account of what’s been happening in Scotland”
In colonialism the culture (incl history) of the native becomes a ‘contested culture whose destruction is sought in systematic fashion’ (Fanon). Scotland’s history is whatever the oppressor elites and their little helpers here have wanted to give us, and as most Scots will recall from history classes in school this tends to be highly questionable.
Fanon described the culture of the colonised as a ‘clandestine culture’ in which, much as we see certain btl responses reflect ‘the reactions of the occupying power which interprets attachment to tradition as faithfulness to the spirit of the nation and as a refusal to submit’. In colonialism a people who decide to follow their own ‘forms of culture (including thair ain history) which are already condemned to extinction is already a demonstration of nationality”.
By grasping our own (i.e. Scots/Pict/Gael) history, languageS, cultures etc we are indeed demonstrating our nationality and hence our national identity.
Somebody shuid mebbe tell thon daeless FM what eventually happens to a people and their national identity through cultural assimilation, also known as cultural ‘obliteration’ (i.e. it perishes!).
Daeless
I like that word.
Re Britons, Picts, Scots etc.
Good historians rely on period documentation. Failing that artifacts, third party accounts, folk tales and myth and finally collective myths of origin. Myth, by the way, has nothing to do with «literal truth».
Scotland’s wars, religious upheavals and temporal decay has left little surviving into modern times. We know more about Scotland’s early cultures from Latin, Welsh, Irish, Norse,French and English sources than from local material.
Literacy came to Scotland with Christianity. We may conjecture that documents in Latin and possibly the P Celtic languages aka Britonic were available as was an extensive oral tradition. Monastic foundations were the libraries, schools and universities of the time and vulnerable to despoilation by invaders. From the oral tradition we get the Gododdin heroic poem which survives in Welsh.
Scotland’s primary linguistic culture is undeniably mixed Celtic with a «Germanic» crust.
Outside of the Pfizer Documents that were intended to be hidden for 75 years, other evidence suggests manufacturers may have been aware of potential risks associated with the vaccine before it was distributed.
Animal testing, usually carried out before human trials for obvious reasons, was mysteriously conducted at the same time as Phase 1 human trials. You might think doing that indicates that the manufacturers had a high degree of confidence in the safety of the vaccine, and they have argued exactly that, but we recently found out that the animals used in that concurrent testing were “euthanised” just 7 days after receiving the vaccine.
Terminating tests early is a known and indeed normalised way of avoiding formal results that are bound to be at odds with desired outcomes, the equivalent of picking up the ball and walking off the field when the opposition goes 5-nil up after a few minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quxl0gb1eBE
Of course, we are all part of the real trials, Phase 4. This is it.
We might have guessed all was not well when they moved the goalposts on herd immunity in the very early stages of the rollout, at first telling us a mere 60% vaccine coverage would be sufficient to achieve herd immunity and then, without explanation, insisting that 70%, 80%, 90%, and finally 100%, including children, must be vaccinated.
If the scientifically-minded were confused by these shifting sands at the time, can they rest in peace now that they finally have a definitive answer to the question? No amount of vaccines will ever take us to herd immunity, and that’s official.
And that raises a very interesting question. Why did it become so important to vaccinate everyone? Why all the pressure, even on children who faced virtually zero risk from the virus? Certainly it wasn’t to stop the spread since, as we found out very early on, being vaccinated does not prevent you catching and spreading the disease.
Is it possible they wanted to destroy the placebo/control group, aka the unvaccinated? Certainly it wouldn’t look good if a sizable percentage of the population, those that were not vaccinated, were somehow avoiding the sort of dire health outcomes we are seeing in hospitals today, suffering from a range of heart and circulatory problems, blood clotting, neurological disorders, etc. Excess deaths are off the scale right now in Scotland and the UK.
Nothing to see here.
Ian Brotherhood, thanks for the very interesting like you provided yesterday to the Indian Bar Association https://indianbarassociation.in/news-update-2/
It’s really astonishing that nobody seems to be aware of these proceedings.
Mark Boyle says:
27 August, 2022 at 11:35 am
Gareth says:
27 August, 2022 at 11:16 am
“Go home Grouse Beater, you’re drunk” Boyle 10.36
Shown up for the chancer he is, Mark Boyle resorts to the insult to boost his ego, but remains the dunce he will always be.
Alright, king of the Cybersots, I’ll play in your court. At least you’re doing it under your own name this time than one of your alias (although that was probably an error on your part in your rush to post).
Every serious historian concurs the Romans pulled out of Scotland for economic reasons – not military – as their empire found itself under attack from better organised tribes (esp. the Visigoths) by the turn into the fifth century, and there was bugger all reason to maintain a presence in an area which provided little returns in their investment in time, resources and money.
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Wits rang Boyley did they no find any oil or gas or wit back in the day?
Mibby they should have waited till the 1970’s jist like the Englanders eh!
I’m just wondering if a lot of these professors who have spend their entire life in academia aren’t a bit like our multi-millionaire politicians ie totally out of touch with ordinary people.
Do they think the power they wield over their students can be transferred to ordinary people just posting on the internet?
Stand still laddie! Don’t be so stupid! You are making me very angry!
Did nobody every teach you to write or speak English?
If you don’t eat your meat you wont get any pudding.
No laddie I don’t want to hear about any of this vegetarian nonsense. You stupid stupid stupid boy! Get out of my sight!
I had a friend who was a primary school teacher and she spoke to everyone in the same way as she did her primary school pupils. She didn’t keep her boyfriends/friends for long.
It must be one of these hazards of the job!
If you are going to go into academia I would suggest you get a part-time job in a pub (the rougher the better) just to keep you in touch with reality.
@RobRoy (12.42) –
No worries.
Have you seen the Australian Covid Inquiry? Senator Malcolm Roberts?
He seems to be a very driven character. The legal advice they’ve been hearing has already outlined the charges and likely process. How long it’ll all take is anyone’s guess but they’ve already got Reiner Fuellmich’s work as a solid base so that should save some time.
😉
We don’t need no education
We don’t need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teacher, leave them kids alone
Hey, teacher, leave them kids alone
All in all, it’s just another brick in the wall
All in all, you’re just another brick in the wall
We don’t need no education
We don’t need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers, leave them kids alone
Sally Forster’s ‘Picts, Gaels and Scots’ is a good starting point, and Tim Clarkson’s ‘The Picts’ is good for just that topic, just bear in mind Clarkson’s trust in the Venerable Bede …
Fuck that can you not just recommend a Horrible Histories book or a Philippa Gregory novel that we could enjoy and that would give us a a bit of knowledge about ‘The Picts’ It’s not as if this is the open university where we have to pass an exam at the end of the term.
Ian, I have heard some about that, something to do with bribes??
Do you have any links that would help?
” There was bugger all reason to maintain a presence in an area which provided little returns in their investment in time, resources and money.”
Like England withdrawing from Scotland today because there’s nothing to plunder?
Jesus! Dealing with squits is shooting fish in a barrel.
RoS, I would find it deeply disturbing to think that the insults and sneers emanate from a professor of anything.
Mind you I have been wondering what happened to admirable Scottish education – what with certain ex Labour leaders being made professors.
@RobRoy (1.14) –
Just found this. I assume it’s a clip from the inquiry’s opening statement. Not often you hear such a statement containing the word ‘bullshit’, but hey, that’s fair dinkum
😉
https://twitter.com/Canucklegrl/status/1562558577533153281
Gareth says:
27 August, 2022 at 1:16 pm
” There was bugger all reason to maintain a presence in an area which provided little returns in their investment in time, resources and money.”
Like England withdrawing from Scotland today because there’s nothing to plunder?
Your point being, champ?
Or is this just another imbibed random piece of “whataboutery” from you like Bull McCabe in “The Field” spouting random raw spots in lieu of coherency? Good for an audience of knee-jerk neanderthals, pitiful to anyone at least able to eat with cutlery.
“I would find it deeply disturbing to think that the insults and sneers emanate from a professor of anything.
Dorothy.”
You might be right, he’s probably just a quack who bought a book about the Picts out of a charity shop.
@Republicofscotland –
One of the best charity-shop books I ever found, about 20 yrs ago, was ‘Operation Mind Control’ by Walter Bowart. A wee old-style ‘jumble shop’ in Stevenston.
It’s the original paperback edition which the CIA bought in bulk and destroyed. Few copies survived so it’s worth approx £200, or was last time I checked. Also happens to be a cracking read, all about the real Manchurian Candidate stuff.
😉
Have you seen the Australian Covid Inquiry? Senator Malcolm Roberts?
He seems to be a very driven character.
The well known climate change denier, pedaler of anti-semitic tropes, member of the far right Australian “One Nation” party?
That Malcolm Roberts…?
Maiden Malcolm Roberts runs with anti-Semitic myths.
One Nation senator Malcolm Roberts peddled some of the core myths of anti-Semitism in his first speech to the Senate.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2016/09/14/malcolm-roberts-runs-with-anti-semitic-myths/
He also claimed to be a “sovereign citizen” in an attempt to avoid the Australian carbon tax:
Anti-government, self-identified “sovereign citizens” claim to exist outside the country’s legal and taxation systems and frequently believe the government uses grammar to enslave its citizens. [I shit you not!: these folk think governments use grammar as a means of control….all the LOLZ]
NSW Police say such people “should be considered a potential terrorist threat.
“Sovereign citizens are people that don’t buy into our legal framework, our system of government,” Detective Superintendent John O’Reilly, commander of the NSW Counter Terrorism and Special Tactics Operation Group, told the ABC last year.
They consider themselves individuals and operate outside the law and outside our tax system.”
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/one-nation-senatorelect-malcolm-roberts-wrote-bizarre-sovereign-citizen-letter-to-julia-gillard-20160804-gqlesa.html
Roberts is of course deeply involved with the Galileo movement:
https://theconversation.com/please-dont-explain-hanson-2-0-and-the-war-on-experts-62106
You can tell a lot about folk by the company they keep and the folk they recommend right enough. Worrying though that BTL comments here are increasingly contaminated by conspiracy theorising fringe nutters pushing agendas with something of the night about them.
I quite liked this quote from the piece in The Conversation quoted above @ 2.10 pm, as prescient today as it was in 2016:
All of this might be ascribed to “post-truth politics”, the condition in which norms of truth-telling no longer constrain political discourse. But simply insisting people tell the truth – hardly an outrageous demand – won’t help with this specific problem.
To invoke the philosopher Harry Frankfurt’s ingenious distinction, post-truth politics is not fundamentally about lies, but bullshit. The liar knows the truth and cares about it enough to conceal it. The bullshitter, by contrast, doesn’t care (and may not know) if what they say is true; they just care that you believe it.
Trump, it seems fair to say, is a bullshitter. Much of the Gove-Johnson-Farage Brexit campaign was certainly built on bullshit.
But science denialists are not, or at least not necessarily, liars or bullshitters. Their beliefs are sincere. And they are shared by a great many people, who by definition won’t be persuaded by simple appeals to expert opinion because the authority of expert opinion is precisely what they deny. How should we respond to this?
The bullshitters pedalling their woo-woo on here should read and inwardly digest the above before we all drown in it. 🙂
Here you go guys
This is the book you want
https://tinyurl.com/34yzs6er
Enjoy!
https://tinyurl.com/3pvdsnnf
Astrix & The Sassenach! It’s in Scots.
‘Top review
5.0 out of 5 stars A braw buik!
Muckle enjyed readin this in ma in Leid. A verra natural an flowin owersettin. PDB. ”
I’m definitely getting that buik. I do want to improve my Scots & my Scottish history. PDB
I’m off to check if Asterix & the Picts comes in Doric or Aberdonian.
I need to learn all the Scottish languages.
https://tinyurl.com/2p8es7su
Asterix and the Pechts
Brilliant!
I’ll get that one instead of the English English version.
Three cracking posts on Voices for Independence today – gripping though depressing. If only our SNP MSP/MPs would read, comprehend and then ACT.
Iain Lawson’s Yours for Scotland – “The first moon landing in Easterhouse” – re economic “Clearance” in the 20th century.
Barrhead Boy – “Something sinister is afoot” – re the police Chief Constable’s response to the Perth protest.
Craig Murray – “The Great Clutching at Pearls”.
https://tinyurl.com/35t79bf9
It also comes it Gaelic.
That might be a bit challenging ‘cos they took away my Gaelic readers before I even got to school
There was no
a airson apple
or
b airson bàta
for me.
Still at least I understand the title.
Asterix Agus Na Sasannaich
Agus that’s and.
Pop that one in your Gaelic vocabulary notebook.
@ Sarah
May I put forward another couple of reading suggestions for our politicians…
The Basics of Mammal Biology – A perfect introduction to gettin yersel up the curve on the fundamentals of the two sexes and reproduction so you don’t end up spouting shite like a bigoted science denying roaster.
Beginner’s Guide to Buying Boats – A must read to inform oneself on matters pertaining to efficiently procuring fit for purpose vessels on taxpayers’ dime so as not to make yersel look like a completely incompetent fucking arsehole.
” But science denialists are not, or at least not necessarily, liars or bullshitters. ”
How many times must it be repeated ?
Science is not a single , monolithic entity : like – some believe- * God * to be .
It is primarily an attitude , an approach aimed at determining how close any given thing , idea , postulate corresponds to verifiable fact .
There are as many * Sciences * as there are Scientists .
Guess what ? THEY DON’T ALL AGREE . Even genius-level ones .
Example . The Copenhagen Interpretation .
People should stop using the CONCEPT of Science as a bludgeon to * defeat * those they don’t agree with
@ Dan: well our parliamentarians are all on their summer holidays so have the time to get as knowledgeable as us about ferries, sex differences, and our Constitution.
All those matters are perfectly straightforward – we non-parliamentarians can see it. What on earth will shift our parliamentarians?
ANOTHER excellent discussion is on Independence live – today’s Wee Alba book event from Skye [tho’ it is labelled currently as Perth & Kinross] with speakers Alex Salmond, Dave Thompson [the AFI founder], Eva Comrie, Hector Macleod.
“Your point being, champ?” Boyle 1.56
That you’re absurdly accident prone and dim-witted. Final answer.
ROBERT HUGHES 3:53pm
Indeed, there is no such notion as «the science», except in the minds of the ignorant who inhabit government, press etc. Those who seek constancy and stability in the sciences are looking for something they cannot provide and yet remain «scientific».
Change is the normal state, as is the possibility of error. The latter is a risk in medicine where observation, trial and experimentation are essential and normative.
Scientists, however, are human and subject to the whims of governments, business, pseudo experts and the need for funding. Historically, the most productive science has been done away from official institutions and corporations.
Scientists, indeed intellectuals generally, under some politico-economic régimes have «capitulated» with remarkable ease, and they get away with it.
@Robert Hughes 3.53 pm
People should stop using the CONCEPT of Science as a bludgeon to * defeat * those they don’t agree with
You may be over thinking it Robert – a rare enough phenomenon in here, but even so! 🙂
I don’t think the quote of the intent of the piece was to assert that there is one monolithic “science”, it’s just a rhetorical device to compare and contrast those who believe in scientific method, and where they are not experts will take the word of experts, as opposed to those willing to accept a-scientific woo-woo.
As Brian Cox observed in response to Gove’s infamous remarks about not trusting experts any more:
“It’s entirely wrong, and it’s the road back to the cave. The way we got out of the caves and into modern civilisation is through the process of understanding and thinking. Those things were not done by gut instinct. Being an expert does not mean that you are someone with a vested interest in something; it means you spend your life studying something. You’re not necessarily right – but you’re more likely to be right than someone who’s not spent their life studying it.”
Gareth says:
27 August, 2022 at 4:30 pm
“Your point being, champ?” Boyle 1.56
That you’re absurdly accident prone and dim-witted. Final answer.
So in other words, the resident sot of Cybernatdom didn’t have a point – oh well, no change there.
The last few days has been fascinating with all the contributions made by many with regards Scottish culture and Languages that are nearly lost,
All The links and memories, many of which I did not Know, add up and perhaps many others here learnt snippets as well.
This information used to be passed from one person to the next, in work or play, from one generation to the next, in a verbal language rather than a written language, such as other native people did, Before many Countries became colonised .
The slow colonising stealth has all but eliminated all of these community ways of life in Scotland by separating families and friends all day and often part of the evening through long distance travel for employment, taking a person or people outwith their own neighbourhood environment
Separating granny and granddad along with aunties and uncles from their children and the following generation, the rhetoric in media and government advancing this divide, in not so subtle advertising methods.
The last few days has seen the people on here ( a community of Scots) remembering their roots, learning their backgrounds , and most of all,
Joining in together like friends and family,
This may be the downfall of globalisation, for the smaller they make or restrict our worlds, the more people will come together, remember how good it used to be,
I have took note of the words that you have provided that seem to be outwith the Rustic English Language category prior to enforced Colonisation.
They are as follows in no particular order yet,
Coorie dookit,
Skelpit.
Cuddy,
Futret,
Tint,
Stoor.
Glekit.
Glur.
Huntigowk.
Stramash.
We’ans.( we’ens)
Glack.
Yeuch..
Skirl,
Furrel, furled.
Sleekit.
Bloo’tard.
Kye.
durled.
Ding, dinged.
If there is any I have missed or o not know, please add,
So far
I Just learned another word to add.
Stoune,= sharp sudden pain.
And another,
Hummel doodies, carl doodies.
Ruby
I don’t know if you would be interested, but there are several Tintin books that have been translated into Scots. Details below.
https://tintinscots.com
Kypie,= wee hollow
It’s quite disturbing to see the lengths they went to in order to trash alternatives to the vaccine, in this case going so far as to accuse a Senate Committee of being “anti-vax” before it had even heard testimony or reached any conclusions.
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/early-outpatient-treatment-an-essential-part-of-a-covid-19-solution-part-ii
With the link above I highly recommend jumping to around 50 minutes and listening to the testimony of Dr Pierre Kory.
The truth has a distinct ring to it, when or if you get to hear it.
Jeremy says:
27 August, 2022 at 6:07 pm
Ruby
I don’t know if you would be interested, but there are several Tintin books that have been translated into Scots. Details below.
https://tintinscots.com
Thanks Jeremy that looks interesting.
Initially when I read Scots I think I understand it but there are load of words that I don’t. It’s kinda like the difference between Spanish & Portuguese.
I do find the words fascinating. It’s amazing that there are so many languages spoken in Scotland and you can travel a short distance and not understand what people are saying.
Anyone know if ‘scotsrepublic’ still posts online?
The Broons that’s in Scots isn’t it?
That could account for the Scots that I already know. I loved the Broons & Oor Willie when I was a child. Jings! Crivvens! Help ma Boab!
I’ve just been looking at the Doric dictionary and found;
Malagaroose – I definitely couldn’t make a guess as to the meaning of that word.
Bourach. Whit a Bourach! is also included. That word sounds very like Gaelic.
I was looking for Boab but couldn’t find it.
I was particularly interested because someone once told me because the walls of their flat were very thin she could hear everyting that was going on next door. She said that her neighbour would cry ‘Help ma Boab’ when the likes of Sally from ‘When Harry met Sally’ cried Yes! Yes! Yes!
Is this a thing in the North East. 🙂
With the link above I highly recommend jumping to around 50 minutes and listening to the testimony of Dr Pierre Kory.
The truth has a distinct ring to it, when or if you get to hear it.
This Pierre Kory?:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Kory
More the ding-a-ling of truth than the ring perhaps….? 🙂
“Doctor Took Ivermectin and Still Got COVID
Pierre Kory, MD, one of the most vocal proponents of ivermectin, got COVID-19 in August, despite taking the anti-parasitic medication on a weekly basis to ostensibly prevent the disease, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported.
Kory has since doubled down on the drug, urging that the prophylactic dose be increased to twice per week, according to the Journal Sentinel.
In a statement, Kory told the paper: “The most important event that occurred between my testimony [at Sen. Ron Johnson’s (R-Wisc.) hearing on COVID-19 in December 2020] and my getting sick was the delta variant,” pointing to Delta’s higher viral load compared with previous variants.
Kory had called ivermectin a “miracle drug” at the December 2020 Senate hearing, the Journal Sentinel reported. “If you take it, you will not get sick,” he said.
The Journal Sentinel further reported on the rise of the drug in the U.S. and its connection to conspiracy theories. According to data from IQVIA obtained by the paper, prescriptions for ivermectin jumped from less than 10,000 per week in November 2020, to about 40,000 per week by January 2021. While scripts went back down as cases diminished during the spring, they were back up to 88,000 for the week ending August 13, the latest week for which there were data.
There’s been an uptick in side effects from the drug, the paper reported. According to the American Association of Poison Control Centers, 2021 has seen 1,810 cases of ivermectin poisoning in the U.S. as of Oct. 31, compared with 499 for the same period in 2019.
The Journal Sentinel noted that two large randomized controlled clinical trials — one in the U.S. (ACTIV-6) and one in the U.K. (PRINCIPLE) — will provide a more definitive picture of the use of ivermectin in COVID-19 in the near future.”
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/95726
Andy Ellis @2.27
Interesting that the author, albeit a senior lecturer in philosophy, did not attribute to an expert (or peer review) either of the responses proffered.
Might mean nothing, but the possibility he was associated with stop the anti vaccination misinformation (as opposed to stop vaccination misinformation, or even stop misinformation) since 2016 – ie the date on the link from which the (mis?)information is presented – is also interesting, albeit unfortunate.
James Che , I was playing hummel doddies with my grandsons on holiday this summer- the game being to attempt to behead the other loon/quine’s doddy , sounds rather vulgar when I read that back.
And long ago I was taught ,
It’s been dingin’ doon for sax ooks and niver devalt – which apparently means it has been raining for six weeks and never let up.
Ruby “For females the Mac would be replaced with nighean (daughter of) Nighean Brian Brian Brian Dubh.”
Sorry but that is not quite correct. The daughter is ‘nic’. For example, the daughter of maighstear Dubh would be (first name) Nic Dhuibh if I remember correctly, becuase ‘dubh’ goes into the genitive case.The daughter of MacLeod would be (first name) NicLeoid, again apologies if the genitive spelling is wrong. My name is Fionnghal Nicneacail. You are correct in that ‘nighean’ is a girl or daughter, it can refer to either.
Ihave lost much of my gaidhleag through lack of use over many decades, but I learned a whole lot more Scots, especially Doric.
James Che, the people of the North-east Scotland would not take kindly to your description of Doric as slang english. It is no such thing, it is a regional variation of Scots and I for one would find it very difficult to follow a full speaker of Doric. The word ‘tint’ is in no way a ‘lost’ word, it is in everyday use among doric speakers.
For those who question how a standard Scots language could be produced from the regional variations, standardisation is an essential part of restoring a language to its people and is a vital component of their culture and cultural identity. They might be interested in looking at the methods being used in South America to restore Qhechua in the andean regions, and El Euskera in Pais Vasco, on the Iberian Peninsula.
Quechua in particular has several hundreds of dialects which have evolved in isolated rural communities, and one of the first steps in standardisation in order to revive the language has been to identify the dialect that is best understood by the majority. Then a standard dictionary and grammar can be constructed. The profile of the language must be raised to be the official equal or superior of the colonising language, i.e used as standard in offical documents, records and transactions,, in the legal field and in commerce while also creating a strong presence of the ethnic language in the arts – literature, song, theatre etc. For the generations which have lost command of the language, language classes accessible to adults and children alike need to be implemented so that the language is restored to normal use within the family and the community. That is a simplified guide to the essential steps in reviving a near-extinct language. Sorry, long post.
The importance of preserving a language reflects the importance of language to a culture – when a language becomes extict, so does that culture. I suspect this lies behind the claims that the picts died out, when it seems pretty inevitable that intermingling of Picts with Scots must have taken place and therefore many of us, modern day, dare I say indigenous Scots, as opposed to these ‘new Scots’ must have some pictish genes present within our DNA.
James Che, have a read of this its bound to annoy the shit out of Boyle.
http://faithandheritage.com/2016/11/king-arthur-and-merlin-wore-kilts-the-historical-basis-for-king-arthur-and-merlin/
@stuart mactavish
I refer you back to the Brian Cox’s quote @ 4.51 pm above.
Republicofscotland says:
27 August, 2022 at 9:01 pm
James Che, have a read of this its bound to annoy the shit out of Boyle.
http://faithandheritage.com/2016/11/king-arthur-and-merlin-wore-kilts-the-historical-basis-for-king-arthur-and-merlin/
Aux contraire, for you have just unmasked yourself as the pathetic far right bigot I long suspected you are.
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2019/01/29/racist-website-faith-and-heritage-closing-shop
Faith and Heritage, a website launched in 2011 espousing the racist “Kinist” interpretation of Christian theology, announced on Jan. 13 that it would stop publishing articles.
Kinism, which derives its name from a phrase for one’s blood relatives, refers to the belief that biblical scripture specifically proscribes interracial marriage, integration and racial equality, and promotes white nationalism.
Quoting from faithandheritage.com’s “About” section: “We affirm that all attempts to amalgamate humans into one mixed mass are in open rebellion against God’s law and His sovereignly created boundaries.”
A post on faithandheritage.com titled “All Good Things Must Come to an End” indicated that the site’s editors and founders believe “F&H has served its purpose.” Beneath the banner “Occidental Christianity for Preserving Western Culture and People,” the site boasted, “Articles we produced in its first five years remain some of the best in existence at helping young Christians reconcile the righteous forms of ethnonationalism with the historical Christian faith.”
Kinism was popular in neo-Confederate groups such as the League of the South in the late 1990s and early 2000s during a time when that movement sought to advance its racist politics behind a fig leaf of religious piety. Adherents of Kinism, known as Kinists, typically justify their racism by arguing that their beliefs are good for the preservation of all races, not just whites.
Kinism failed to gain ground in the larger white nationalist scene due to the fractious nature of its adherents, many of whom are still active in racist causes to this day. While Faith and Heritage is gone, the underlying racial resentment that animated the development of Kinism more than a decade ago is alive and well in the racist right.
Address the content Boyle, which I have read on another website but it is down, so I searched for one that wasn’t, again address the content.
Here is the down site.
http://www.finding-merlin.com/
It’s interesting that UK covid case rates continued to rise dramatically right into 2022 when over 90% population had been vaccinated. By January 20, when a majority of the population had been double vaccinated (over 43 million in England alone), almost 1300 per day were dying of and with covid. It’s worth bearing in mind that the UK was in lockdown at the time too, and wearing a mask in public places was a legal requirement. Nothing we were doing seems to have been very effective.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/01/COVID-19-weekly-announced-vaccinations-27-January-2022.pdf
If one person catching covid after taking ivermectin is all the proof we need to dismiss the drug as useless, I can only guess what holders of that view and standard make of the 1300 daily deaths referred to above.
It’s worth pointing out that the “one person” in question here had been fighting on the frontline against covid for nearly two years when he caught the disease, routinely dealing with the worst cases up close. Nevertheless, he recovered to full health in a matter of days.
“On May 8, 2020, Peru’s Ministry of Health approved ivermectin (IVM), a drug of Nobel Prize-honored distinction, for inpatient and outpatient treatment of COVID-19. As IVM treatments proceeded in that nation of 33 million residents, excess deaths decreased 14-fold over four months…
“Conclusion. Mass treatments with IVM, a drug safely used in 3.7 billion doses worldwide since 1987, most likely caused the 14-fold reductions in excess deaths in Peru, prior to their 13-fold increase under reversed IVM policy.”
https://osf.io/9egh4/
I’m sure most will agree that one person dying of covid is better than 15 dying, and that 1300 per day is a tragedy and a disgraceful failure as far as vaccine efficacy is concerned. The only thing they seem to have succeeded with is the propaganda which has made so many blind to all this.
Surprised no one knows of this –
https://www.amazon.co.uk/William-Wallace-Robin-Hood-Revealed/dp/0953913015
circumstantial evidence; names, similarities, events – merry men hiding out in the forest battling the sheriff – lanark or nottingham, you decide.
the argument goes : these “great stories” eventually flltered into northern England, and writers then being similar thieves as to today, “re used” them, but made up this English Native Hero as Wallace was for them “the devil”.
– english will nick anything.
Mibbes aye, mibbes naw.
also, King Arthur was Scottish – see “Camelon” and “Arthur’s Seat” – which is a slam dunk for me.
my favourite theory is the Holy Grail is located in Caerlaverock Castle; an unusual structure with a triangular base. The Rosslyn Chapel theory is obviously nonsense.
James che @ 5:50 pm
“The last few days has been fascinating with all the contributions made by many with regards Scottish culture and Languages that are nearly lost”
And there is even a Scottish constitution in Scots, whit thon doun-hauder nivver telt us aboot:
https://salvo.scot/the-scottis-constitutional-covin/
@RobRoy
The Peruvian thing was debunked:
https://twitter.com/GidMK/status/1424525769242406915
Do you have shares in whoever produces Invermectin by any chance? 🙂
Republicofscotland says:
27 August, 2022 at 9:24 pm
Address the content Boyle, which I have read on another website
Aye, so ya did – you’ve been caught and bowled as a nasty little racist bigot, and the hilarious part is that you did it to yourself.
As to the claims, the day I start giving a shit what a failed SNP candidate and cack-amateur “historian” wrote in a book about a fictional character based on his family tree search (always a red flag, as people are prone to sex these up), it will be the day I buy a season ticket for one of the Old Firm. Pish is pish, no matter how many internet links you can find for it.
“Local historians” are the bane of every serious academic’s life. They have zero respect for the treatment of primary source materials, have zero scruples for omitting inconvenient established facts that scupper their suppositions rather than trying to address them, and tend – as Ardrey does to industrial strength – to label their own suppositions as “facts” rather than theories on top of whatever tangible new evidence they actually have. In short, they’re a bloody menace.
Back in the 1990s, there was some fkwit claiming that King Arthur came from Barrhead, with the existence of the “Arthurlie” part of town given as part of the “proof” – and he’s far from the first twat to claim Artuir mac Aedan was Arthur. There’s a good reason why no reputable academic entertains such garbage any more than any reputable academic believes in the Loch Ness Monster, the Bermuda Triangle, the Floating Head of the Benrachett Inn or Joe O’Brien’s Gas Telly.
The world is awash with fannies making all manner of claims surrounding various apocryphal figures simply because it’s difficult to disprove anything about a person or place which it is difficult to prove ever existed in the first place – Luna Lovegood/Fortean Times syndrome writ large.
You’d think Ellis would get bored setting up comments to reply to…
W
It turns out the random “health nerd” on Twitter actually works for The Guardian which I suspect, like most other mainstream newspapers, depends on selling advertising space to Big Pharma for its survival.
Despite his apparent commitment to science and evidence-based research, he seems to think the vaccines (which don’t stop you catching covid, spreading it, and dying with it, and are known to cause a multitude of grave adverse reactions) are a triumph.
That’s probably everything we need to know about that particular “debunker”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_42LVirfNI
“FYI – this film was taken down by YouTube on Wednesday 4th, and was reinstated after appeal.”
Isn’t it interesting that these platforms censor, remove, and demonetise videos that challenge alternative views on therapies like ivermectin whilst at the same time claiming to be committed to honest and open debate. As that’s going on, those platforms and friends in the msm are harnessed to undermine and discredit anyone that dares contemplate alternative approaches.
What exactly are they scared of? It’s almost as if they have billions of dollars riding on all this.
“One dose of Ivermectin was all it took to get 81-year-old John Swanson off the ventilator. John’s wife Sandra could not believe it. His story is remarkably similar to other cases of patients who were on their way out with advanced COVID-19 but saved when Ivermectin was added.
Ralph Lorigo is the lawyer who now has won three court orders forcing New York hospitals to administer Ivermectin to dying patients. Incredibly, these three hospitals and their lawyers fought against the patients, arguing they did not have the right to receive the drug despite a valid prescription written by their doctors. In essence, the argument was that they did not have the right to try a potentially life-saving medication.
In each of the three cases, the New York State Supreme Court Justices sided with the patient, and in each of the three cases, the patients made near-miraculous recoveries after the Ivermectin was given. In each case, these patients were in the Intensive Care Unit on ventilators, unable to breathe on their own, and universally, after the drug was given, they rapidly improved and were able to breathe on their own.”
https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/letters_to_editor/ivermectin-wins-in-court-again-for-human-rights/article_98d26958-a13a-11eb-a698-37c06f632875.html
Late comment tonight, due to being at a family gathering this evening, which involved a distant relative from San Diego, California.
Words not understood by other Scots…
Cundie – kerbside (kerb = cribbie) rainwater drain (Dundonesian, from French “conduit”) Dundonesian is a regional variation of Scots.
Scrieve – as in Eh tripped ower the cribbie and scrieved meh knee. Grazed.
See also:-
http://web.archive.org/web/20050322224304/members.aol.com/dinnaastme/page5.htm
Fionan says:
27 August, 2022 at 9:01 pm
James Che, the people of the North-east Scotland would not take kindly to your description of Doric as slang english. It is no such thing, it is a regional variation of Scots….
I’ve given the example of Stane-hoos-moor as an early Scottish place name which likely began in the second century AD. It is evidence, though not proof I admit, that what we now call Northumbrian English was in widespread use, but the second Century is three centuries earlier than the Angles, the Jutes and Saxons from Germany invaded and eventually led to a place being called Angle land.
This Germanic language was evidently in use in the land that would become known as Scotland from pretty much the same time as it established itself in the land which would become known as England, but I think it’s wrong to think of it as English, and better to think of it as Angle-ish, as in of the Angles from Germany.
Scots and English have a common ancestor in this Angle language, but presumably the distinctive differences which emerged as languages changed was due to local influences and communities finding and defining themselves in language.
But there is nothing to say there is ANY actual English influence in Auld Scots, because the language of the Angles is much more likely to be the source. There is no substance to feeling “triggered” by Scots language being described as English. It was Anglish, from Europe, and our modern concept of English and England would only come later, just as Scotland would not become Scotland until the amalgamation of Picts and Gaels.
But since Anglish managed to spread itself throughout what would become Scotland, but do so without a colonial invasion, the logical presumption is that the language was adopted and spread some other way, and then, you’ve really got start looking towards the spread of Christianity being the culprit.
So realistically, when we describe Auld Scots words as Northumbrian English, we are probably describing a Germanic tongue that had a large universal degree of understanding which was spread throughout Scotland probably as the first language (bar Latin of course) of Christianity.
As something of a secular atheist, I don’t know whether to feel less triggered by Scots language being spread by the Christians rather than the English, but we can be pretty sure that the mysterious “source of the Nile” for English language comes from Germanic Europe, and both Scotland and England are both tributaries of a common source rather than either one being “derived” from the other.
The success of this language in establishing itself as such a widespread language can probably be bleached clear of any “National” connotations because it predated the existence of those Nations, and the reasons for it’s proliferation may lie elsewhere. Perhaps it was easy to learn, and perhaps it was a common second language across different tribes. Perhaps the Angles were strong in their number. Who knows?
You could even speculate that “foreign” speaking tribes might consent to speak to each other in Angle-ish precisely because Angle-ish was neutral and ubiquitous, and simply considered a common language of convenience. That’s not as daft as it sounds if you remember the Christianity factor… Anglish could have been the neutral language of the peace brokers so warring tribes didn’t have to speak their enemies language.
Perhaps the most intriguing thing about the Anglish language is how, when, and why it became indecipherable and “foreign” to the Germanics. Doesn’t that suggest the Angles didn’t just spread to Britain, but also removed themselves from Germania. It wasn’t an expansion but an exodus. Or perhaps their migration weakened their homeland and left them vulnerable to subjugation in Germania… You could speculate endlessly…
Another question, why doesn’t the bulk of Europe and England speak Italian?
Arguably it does, through Latin, but why didn’t the Romans colonise through language?
Ivermectin
Aye-right-vermectin
https://www.thedailybeast.com/lawyer-ralph-lorigo-forces-ivermectin-on-hospitals-as-covid-treatment-and-drives-doctors-crazy
@ “Scott”
You’d think Ellis would get bored setting up comments to reply to…
You’d think you’d get bored with your creepy as fuck obsession with me and post about something or someone else now and then, but apparently not…..
I only have one ID on here. I have neither the time nor the motivation to post using multiple online personalities. Doubtless there may be others with multiple aliases, but there again I’m not the snivelling anonymous coward too afraid to own their own opinions in here.
It would seem a bit obsessional of someone to have multiple ID’s as well as a public one which is pretty easily traceable.
Fionan says:
27 August, 2022 at 9:01 pm
Ruby “For females the Mac would be replaced with nighean (daughter of) Nighean Brian Brian Brian Dubh.”
Sorry but that is not quite correct.
Cheers Fionan I’m more than happy to be corrected. I have absolutely no formal training in Gaelic whatsoever.(Books taken away before I started school) I have just picked up words & phrases through hearing them. I did hear myself being referred to as what sounded like Iain with an N (Nighean) then my mothers name, my grandfathers name his nickname all in Gaelic of course and my brother the same thing only starting with Mac.
I may not have gotten it spot on grammatically but people in Gaelic speaking parts do refer to others in this way. It’s great!
I though it was a grand name I liked it.
Part of my vision for ‘Scottish English’ in iScotland would include this way of naming people.
Everyone would be Mac or the female equivalent. Not too sure about the Nic thing that might have to be modified.
Instead of just being MacDonald one could be ‘Mac Donald John Cooshie Doo’ for example. Obviously that is for a male whose Grandfather is nicknamed ‘Cooshie Doo’
The nickname would be probably be different depending on which part of the country you were from. This could result in people asking what does ‘Cooshie Doo’ mean = better understanding of Doric.
Lets face it ‘Mac Donald John Cooshie Doo’ is so much more distinctive than just just MacDonald. The other advantage to this could mean you wouldn’t need to be ‘an anonymous
snivelling coward’ when posting on the internet anymore.
What do you think? Do you like this idea?
Christopher J. M. Whitty (2010):
“…administered to >80 million adults and children. The drug has proven to be safe. Doses up to 10 times the approved limit are well tolerated by healthy volunteers. Adverse reactions are few and usually mild…”:
https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/202/1/113/888773
Breeks says:
28 August, 2022 at 6:54 am
Another question, why doesn’t the bulk of Europe and England speak Italian?
Arguably it does, through Latin, but why didn’t the Romans colonise through language?
Languages tend to spread through a combination of frequency of use but also ease of use. The creation of Classical Latin (the Latin we know today) was massively important as it meant no matter where anyone was sent to by the Empire, those in charge spoke the same, wrote the same, and you weren’t having to worry about not merely different languages but different dialects of it – a trick not lost on the emerging Christian church.
But since language is dynamic, the moment you introduce it into an area, you can be sure someone will start inventing localised slang – especially when the language is so well put together it’s easy to create new words.
Combine that with the pragmatics of local leaders needing to create some sort of distinct half-way house lingua franca to communicate with the non-literate mass of locals (you have little or no reason to bother learning Latin if you spend 12 hours a day ploughing fields or fishing at sea), and Latin was doomed almost from the off, a victim of its own success.
Andy Ellis @9:07
Exactly!
Although to be fair to Cox its not always easy to extrapolate beyond your own field of expertise – hence the call to an expert when something new crops up..
Whether the guy owes us all a massive apology, rather than a humble one to Gove for having proved it beyond all reasonable doubt*, might depend on whether we’re headed back to the caves (cool) or the plantation (not cool).
*first by becoming the universally recognized policy expert in the Johnson cabinet, then by letting experts elsewhere (including nuclear installations!!) prove their worth when presented with a new name for the common cold
Another question, why doesn’t the bulk of Europe and England speak Italian?
Because after the fall of the Roman Empire Latin just developed into a set of increasingly diverse dialects that later became Portuguese, Galician, Spanish, Catalan, Occitan, French, Italian. Romansch, Romanian.
Arguably it does, through Latin, but why didn’t the Romans colonise through language?
I suppose you could say the Romans colonised in large part via the everyday use of Latin in speech and writing.In some places it “stuck” as in what is now France and Spain, despite later invasions by Germanic tribes and Arabs, it’s probable the bulk of the “ordinary” population still used Latin based dialects as their daily form of communication, and still had a Roman Catholic Christian church using Latin.
The languages of Germanic tribes like the Franks, Visigoths, Ostrogoths and Lombards didn’t survive in to modern times: from what I’ve read the presumption is that they formed a ruling class and elite, but never managed to impose their language on the bulk of the people they ruled over. Arguably the Anglo-Saxons did manage to impose (or less contentiously it happened over generations by osmosis) their language on the bulk of the Brittonic speaking inhabitants of England, and the Gaels did the same with Pictish. The Normans didn’t replace English with French, even though for centuries after 1066 the ruling class, royal court and judicial system used French and it had a big impact on early and middle English.
In what is now England, Latin didn’t survive for that long after the Romans left, and the Brittonic speaking Celts were gradually Anglicised, except in the west where what developed in to later Welsh and Cornish survived. I think there’s debate about whether Breton is derived mostly from Brittonic speaking folk who left the SW of England for Brittany, and the extent to which there were still Celtic/Gaulish speaking people in that part of the world and the two “merged”.
My observations are that people are generally happy to believe any historical, or current, bullshit as long as it coincides with their own warped understanding of events, present or past. Accuracy is irrelevant if it gets in the way of their thinking.
I shall refrain from getting involved in the ‘linguistic’ debate but it is definitely better than the 300 year old tripe. Unfortunately, colonialism does rear it’s head but that is only to be expected amongst the hard of thinking.
At the time Covid broke out I was overwhelmed and happy to trust the experts & medical professionals.
However now that they are saying transwomen are women I no longer have as much trust in the medical profession or the ‘experts’
Maybe if I had felt like this earlier I may have been more inclined to read all the writings by people branded ‘covidiots’.
The way I feel now about reading about Covid is the same way as I feel reading about how BritNat Nic is a dud.
It serves no purpose because I don’t see there is much I can do now.
The greater percentage of Scottish toponyms is derived from Brithonic/Pictish and Irish sources ie Celtic. The rest from the Northumbrian dialect of Old English and West Norse.
Place names tell of a static population and something of the first language of the inhabitants.
The «Welsh» or Cymric substrate is recognisable in such names as Glasgow, Penicuik, Tranent, Aberdeen, Linlithgow, Carstairs, Penpont and so on and is rather dominant under the reworked Gaelic and Scots forms on maps.
The grammar of Scottish Gaelic differs from that of classical Irish owing to the simplifying influence of «Welsh».
The Scots are more «Welsh» than they might like to think. William Wallas ie William the Welshman, «welsh» being a Germanic term for foreign, a foreigner in his own land.
Makes you think, dont it?
Chas says:
28 August, 2022 at 9:20 am
I shall refrain from getting involved in the ‘linguistic’ debate
Why?
@Chas 9.20 am
As you say, definitely better than interminable amateur hour Treaties of Union stuff. You’re also right that the default response of many of the usual suspects is to try and fit the facts (or at least the overwhelming preponderance of evidence where history makes slam dunk “facts” difficult or impossible to demonstrate) to their existing prejudices and worldview.
The overlap between the dyed in the wool purveyors of the “Scotland as colony” narrative (so desperate to link the Scots language stuff and ancient history to their current “we’re colonised and we wuz robbed” pitch) and those prone to outlandish evidence free conspiracy theories in other policy areas may not be exact, but it is pretty strong.
Anybody ken the Gaelic or Scots for turbine, proxy server, satnav, firewall, catalytic converter, inductance or wifi hotspot?
I’m all for the voluntary celebration of colourful culture as a weekend hobby, but there are very good reasons why, in a grounded, rational, aspirational first-world country, people much prefer to utilise a language and world view that puts useful folding money in their pockets.
This has nothing to do with colonialism, either real, or imaginary.
It has everything to do with interacting with the world as it is.
Post Indy, we are not going to be speaking and writing in Doric, Gaelic, early 18th century Scots, or any other language that only around 1% of Scots know or care about. And thank fuck for that.
As an afterthought i do find it interesting that some consider the Scots language, in its varieties, to be more a sign of Scottishness than Gaelic. The fact that both were introduced from outside the current borders of the country appears to escape them.
Not suggesting Scots ought to start speaking Cymraeg but getting a grip on your nation’s diverse underpinnings is useful.
Scots are a more «interesting» than the official histories would have them believe.
Ottomanboi says:
28 August, 2022 at 9:37 am
The Scots are more «Welsh» than they might like to think. William Wallas ie William the Welshman, «welsh» being a Germanic term for foreign, a foreigner in his own land.
Makes you think, dont it?
That doesn’t surprise me! People in Scotland feel a kinship with the Welsh and also the Irish.
My evidence is based principally on attending rugby matches.
Andy Ellis 9.12 am
“The Normans didn’t replace English with French, even though for centuries after 1066 the ruling class, royal court and judicial system used French and it had a big impact on early and middle English”
Im not sure thats true Andy , or certainly while there are elements of truth , its a misleading and false picture.
The norman French completely annihilated , and replaced what we now call old english , with a hybrid french language that is now called “middle English” , the forerunner of modern english , the language we all speak today.
If you look at the period netween the 11th century and mid to late 14th century , you will see the english elite were slaughtered or driven out of england , and replaced by the normans who made up less than 1 % of the popualtion of england.
They held all the positions of power , wealth and privilege , and many of the contemporary native english chroniclers of the time like ranulph higden among many other lament that for an englishman to be anything of worth in his own country , he had to be able to speak french.
Oxford university also has records of old english language rights movements from that age , where famously a cornish cleric at oxford university , himself a native celtic speaker , quipped that “many of us know “old” english , but none of us know this “new “english ( of the normans).
By the late 14th century , a new hybrid language of which the biggest part was norman french , arose in England .It was during the hundred years war with FRance the norman nobility of england decided to use a pr stunt and call this hybrid language “english” togalvanise the saxon peasants into fighting for them against the French.
When you understand the history of the english language in england itself , you wil then come to understand why english replaced Gaidhlig in scotland as the lingua franca.
Scots , and standard english in scotland is nothing to do with the anglo saxons on the periphery of our borders. The anglian place name expert may williamson famously said there were barely half a dozen place names in scotland that could be traced back to the anglo saxon period .
Gaidhlig in the 11th century was an expanding languge and culture that was spread across the whole of scotland including lothian , and its spread was halted , and then declined under the influx of norman french nobles who went on to change scotland as they did in england.
One day someone will write the history of scotlands languages. You can see though that from what little we do know , gaidhlig has been toppled from its perch as scotlands native language and abused ridiculed and where possible eradicated from scotlands memory.
John Main says:
28 August, 2022 at 9:47 am
Anybody ken the Gaelic or Scots for turbine, proxy server, satnav, firewall, catalytic converter, inductance or wifi hotspot?
I could definitely give that a go.
The Gaelic words are turbine, proxy server, satnav, firewall, catalytic converter, inductance & wifi hotspot?
What is the English for spaghetti?
JOHN MAIN
Not many use folding money in this century.
However, being like everyone else?
English is rather less useful than its propagandists would have you believe.
So be different, why not?
Ottomanboi says:
28 August, 2022 at 9:52 am
As an afterthought i do find it interesting that some consider the Scots language, in its varieties, to be more a sign of Scottishness than Gaelic.
Should that not read their Scottishness?
thomas says:
28 August, 2022 at 10:00 am
Andy Ellis 9.12 am
“The Normans didn’t replace English with French,
OH NO! Not a another pissing contest between the ‘professors’
Ach! I’m sticking with Asterix.
Ottomanboi @ 9:52 am
“As an afterthought i do find it interesting that some consider the Scots language, in its varieties, to be more a sign of Scottishness”
Norwegians speak Norwegian
Dutch speak Dutch
Fins speak Finnish
Kurds speak Kurdish
Scots speak Scots
Our identity is based on the language we speak. Take away a peoples language you take away their identity, which is the aim of Linguistic Imperialism. Indigenous or native language is only ever an afterthought in an oppressive colonial situation. Language is who we are and how we think. A national language is what a nation of people speak. Linguistic Imperialism is a well established theory and part of colonialism, and Scots suffer from Linguistic Imperialism. As James Kelman said, Scots have a right to oor ain langage. We are deprived of this right, which means there is no respect for our Scots language or for the people who speak it.
Holy fk…
It begins…
https://twitter.com/snowy2007/status/1563115771839909888?cxt=HHwWgMCgtejgprErAAAA
Hmmnnnn….
Rev. Stuart Campbell says:
6 July, 2022 at 12:48 pm
Andy Ellis, Ruby: if either of you ever mentions the other by name (including any “clever” ways of doing so indirectly) again in any context whatsoever you’re banned . Clear? Not comment deleted, not pre-moderation, banned.
I have HAD ENOUGH of this fucking playground shit.
@thomas 10.00 am
Im not sure thats true Andy , or certainly while there are elements of truth , its a misleading and false picture.
I don’t think it’s misleading or a false picture at all. You’re free to disagree of course. Norman French obviously had a huge impact, but we aren’t speaking a variant of French, we’re speaking a West Germanic language – whether we’re discussing English or Scots!
Arabic had a quite an impact on Spanish, but modern inhabitants of Spain aren’t speaking a semitic language related to Arabic.
Scots , and standard english in scotland is nothing to do with the anglo saxons on the periphery of our borders.
I think that’s a ….brave…..claim, but I’m no expert in philology, anglo-saxon or Northumbrian language and the evolution of the various “Anglic” dialects in to modern English or indeed Scots.
Boyle@1024pm.
Thanks for the reply its the the same shitey reply only dragged out a bit as the Robin Hood one was, I won’t be asking you to address anymore comments for you are certainly not up to the task, GrouseBeater got it bang on with you in mind.
Looks like their might be two bannings on the cards.
Ach well it’ll give me time to read my
‘Asterix and the Pechts’ buik.
Although Alf might think I speak fluent ‘Scots’ I dinnae.
They took away my Gaelic readers before I even got to school and and I don’t think there were even any Scots readers in print way back then.
Sure we had the ‘Broons’ & ‘Oor Wullie’ but they didn’t form part of the school curriculum.
I’m looking forward to learning new words and ditching words like handkerchief.
handkerchief FFS!
Ian @2.09pm.
Ian apologies I missed your comment, here is that very book online, if you (again) and other wants to read it you’d better not leave it too long to do so.
For the Chinthe scumbags in here with squawk to HQ to have it DDoS(sed) it.
https://archive.org/details/OperationMindControlResearchersEdition/mode/2up
https://expose-news.com/2022/08/27/9-in-10-covid-deaths-past-year-vaccinated/
Republicofscotland says:
28 August, 2022 at 10:41 am
Boyle@1024pm.
Thanks for the reply its the the same shitey reply only dragged out a bit as the Robin Hood one was, I won’t be asking you to address anymore comments for you are certainly not up to the task, GrouseBeater got it bang on with you in mind.
Congratulations on finally getting out of your bed this morning, racist.
@Brotherhood
Meanwhile, back in the real world… (see article for clickable links)
However, it is misleading to claim these figures show vaccinated individuals are far more likely to die with COVID-19 than the unvaccinated – and Reuters has addressed similar claims previously here, here and here.
The UKHSA’s March 3 COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report shows that the rates of death concerning COVID-19, adjusted to represent cases per 100,000 people, are consistently lower for the triple-vaccinated in all age groups in comparison to the unvaccinated (here).
The weekly report previously displayed unadjusted rates of COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 people for the double-vaccinated and unvaccinated (here). Releases from Jan. 20 onwards show rates among those vaccinated with at least three doses (per 100,000), as well as the rates among unvaccinated people, but not the death rate for the double-vaccinated (here).
Because of this, the blog site manually estimates COVID-19 death rates for those who have had two vaccines. It does so by combining death data from the Week 9 report with recent totals of double-vaccinated people extracted from the National Immunisation Management Service (NIMS), here.
To reach the number of double-vaccinated individuals, the site subtracted NIMS numbers of those who had at least three doses from the group who had received at least two doses.
The blog then compares the estimated death rates for double-vaccinated people to rates of deaths for unvaccinated individuals per 100,000, displayed in the UKHSA’s Week 9 report (page 45, here).
The website goes on to conclude that England’s double-vaccinated population are “statistically more likely to die of Covid-19 than the unvaccinated population in every age single age group”, with all double-vaccinated people over the age of 70 “at least 3 times more likely to die of Covid-19 than unvaccinated individuals over 70”.
The UKHSA told Reuters via email that, given vaccine uptake levels in England are very high, it is expected that a large proportion of cases and deaths would occur in vaccinated individuals, even with a highly effective vaccine, because a larger proportion of the population are vaccinated than unvaccinated.
According to UK Government data, 85.6% of the population has received at least two doses; 67% have received a booster or third dose (here).
Dr Muge Cevik, a clinical lecturer in infectious diseases and medical virology at the University of St Andrews, previously told Reuters that when much of a population has been vaccinated, “most infections and deaths are expected to be among those vaccinated” (here).
The UKHSA also says the prioritisation of individuals who are more at risk of severe COVID-19 in vaccine rollouts means those vaccinated may be more at risk of death from COVID-19 and contributing factors, regardless of vaccination.
The agency also told Reuters that it is useful to compare case, hospitalisation and death rates in boosted individuals with those who are unvaccinated given third doses have now been offered to all age groups in England.
Further detail on the effectiveness of two COVID-19 vaccine doses on preventing death is also available within the “vaccine effectiveness” section of the surveillance report. It says that after 25 weeks following the second dose, “vaccine effectiveness was around 60% while at 2 or more weeks following a booster vaccine effectiveness was 95% against mortality”.
The weekly surveillance report has become a continuous tool used in COVID-19 vaccine misinformation throughout the pandemic.
Reuters previously addressed similar claims taking UK data on deaths by COVID-19 vaccination status out of context, here, here, here.
VERDICT
Misleading. COVID-19 vaccines do not make people more likely to die from the virus. The manual death rate estimates misrepresent UKHSA data and miss context about the high level of vaccine coverage in England.
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-britain-idUSL2N2VK15E
Things could have been worse at school at least I was taught some Gaelic songs my poor friend in Glasgow was forced to sing
‘The lass of Richmond Hill’
I wonder if the ‘The lass of Richmond Hill’ got an embroidered lace handkerchief from her beau on Valentine’s day.
Her beau was Irish shock! horror! that caused an absolute scandal!
PS I’m still on the look out for the Gaelic translation of
‘Wee Donald Sugar’
I think that be one of these songs that you sing acapella when the ceilidh band hasn’t turned up and people want to dance.
More info in my next online Gaelic class when I find the Gaelic name of the song.
Donald is pronounced something like dool
Another good fisking of an earlier Covid-19 misinformation pedalled by the conspiracy theory site “Expose News” here:
The alarming story was published by The Daily Expose, a U.K.-focused site that has published COVID-19 misinformation before. The article purports to take readers “on a journey” through months of COVID-19 data from the U.K. Health Security Agency.
The blog post lists statistics and percentages about the number of COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths, making comparisons between those who are vaccinated and those who are unvaccinated.
According to the article, the data shows, “why, if the rumours are true, the unvaccinated population have absolutely nothing to worry about, but the vaccinated population have everything to fear.”
This is inaccurate and misleading. The Health Security Agency, the U.K.’s public health arm, has repeatedly warned against misrepresenting and misinterpreting the available COVID-19 data in this way.
The posts sharing this article were flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)
There is no evidence that suggests only those who are fully vaccinated should fear the newly discovered omicron variant. Studies show that the available vaccines are safe and effective at preventing severe COVID-19, hospitalization and death.
The Daily Expose cites the Health Security Agency’s Nov. 25 COVID-19 Vaccine Surveillance Report as the source of its data, but it was unclear how the numbers referenced in its article were reached.
The article claims that there were “833,332 recorded Covid-19 cases, 9,094 Covid-19 hospitalisations and 3,700 Covid-19 deaths from October 25th to November 21st.”
From there, it proceeds to provide the percentages of those individuals who were unvaccinated vs. those who were vaccinated.
“Of these the unvaccinated accounted for 39% of all cases, 34% of all hospitalisations, and 19% of all deaths,” the article reads. “Whilst the vaccinated accounted for 61% of all cases, 66% of all hospitalisations, and 81% of all deaths.”
Presumably the percentages were calculated by dividing the number of people in each group who tested positive for COVID-19 by the total number of cases and multiplying the outcome by 100, and then repeating the same process for COVID hospitalizations and deaths.
Calculations aside, presenting the data in this way is misleading, because it fails to account for the U.K.’s high overall vaccination rate and differences between vaccinated and the unvaccinated populations that may skew the numbers.
The Health Security Agency report emphasized that in a number of ways. Early on in the report, the following warning is provided:
“We present data on COVID-19 cases, hospitalisations and deaths by vaccination status. These raw data should not be used to estimate vaccine effectiveness as the data does not take into account inherent biases present such as differences in risk, behaviour and testing in the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations.”
In the interpretation section of the report (Page 27), just before the vaccine data breakdown is provided, the agency warns that the “vaccination status of cases, inpatients and deaths should not be used to assess vaccine effectiveness because of differences in risk, behaviour and testing in the vaccinated and unvaccinated population.”
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/dec/07/blog-posting/article-misleads-dangers-omicron-variant-using-uk-/
RUBY
I encounter a resentment among the old propagandists for the Scots language against Gaelic. As if Gaelic were alien to the context and not totally kosher. Scots, a variant of insular West Germanic, somehow is.
The «mi-rùn mòr nan gall», lives on.
The Scottish government does very little for indigenous Scottish culture, and it shows.
Both Scots and Gaelic need serious technical support through language planning and modern dictionaries. Leaving the matter to the odd amateur enthusiast displays a lack of intellectual commitment.
What are these «proud Scots» afraid of? Being that bit too different, too alien?
Is there a Scottish nationalism that doesn’t come unladen with some form of narrow minded prejudice? I am beginning to doubt it.
Scots seem an easy divide & conquer «nation»..highland, lowland, east coast, west coast, Scots, Gaelic, Catholic, Protestant, republican, monarchist, choose your pet aversion guys.
I am struck by the ignorance displayed by Scots of my age about their country.
Assimilation into the bland american global soup is well advanced here among the young.
Alarm bells ought to be ringing!
@Alf Baird 10.14 am
Norwegians speak Norwegian
Dutch speak Dutch
Fins speak Finnish [….]
Yes they do. Like all but the smallest languages all of those you use as examples have multiple dialects too. There is no real consensus of when or how a dialect “becomes” a language. From what I’ve read there are around 10 different regional dialects within the Scots language, including one in Ulster.
Which one of those would become “standard Scots”?
Presumably it’s likely to be the one with the most users, or the one most likely to be used in education, government and media…?
So it’d most likely be one of the dialects from the central belt?
Who decides?
Will there be an “Acadamie o’ the Scots Leid” to decide like the Academie Francais fro French?
Perhaps we’d end up with a Norwegian situation with Scots equivalents of Bokmål and Nynorsk? We could throw in Riksmål and Høgnorsk too. (“Norway has an official “advisory board”— Språkrådet (Norwegian Language Council)— that determines, after approval from the Ministry of Culture, official spelling, grammar, and vocabulary for the Norwegian language. The board’s work has been subject to considerable controversy throughout the years.”)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_language
Ottomanboi says:
28 August, 2022 at 11:23 am
RUBY
I encounter a resentment among the old propagandists for the Scots language against Gaelic.
You are correct and it’s not just the ‘propagandists for the Scots language’ it’s pretty widespread. I find it strange. All part of the Scottish cringe? It’s very sad!
Congratulations on finally getting out of your bed this morning, racist.
So like a teacher & their
‘dark sarcasm in the classroom’
@Andy Ellis 11:16pm
A lot of discussion and exchange of Covid ‘reports’. To engage with reality, at the peak of Covid deaths in Scotland the ratio of vaccinated versus unvaccinated deaths was around 1:10. Source from someone who signed the death certificates. That’s my last comment on this matter. I will let Lady Poole and the Public Inquiry deliberate and trust their ability to find and present the truth.
I see the FM is to attend her 5th Fringe appearance tomorrow. I was in Edinburgh on Friday seeing Ian McLennan in Hamlet and waded through the streets of rubbish to get to the venue. We have multiple crises to deal with but our elected representatives see fit to continue with their recess.
@George Ferguson 11.57 am
Hope you enjoyed the kultchur if not the ambience of the streets! I feel sorry for tourists seeing Edina in such a state. It has provoked some lively debate amongst locals about “what is to be done!”. The local Facebook residents page suggested a litter picking clean up, but many felt it was scabbing for “the man”. I have some sympathy for that view. Doubtless the strikers will be in for some overtime to clear the mountains of trash…?
That being said, even before the strike a lot of central Edinburgh was in a pretty frightful state. A lot of that is down to lack of investment, lack of resources available to the council (of whatever political hue!), lack of staff and equipment of course, but I’m ashamed to say a lot of it is down to folk just bing mocket. The state of many pavements, shop fronts and doorways – particularly food shops and restaurants – is shocking. You rarely if ever see local shop workers or staff out cleaning in front of their own shop the way you do in cities I’ve visited elsewhere.
It made me smile when we visited Florence pre-Covid to see the elegantly dressed shop staff, some of the women in stilletos that would have made Imelda McSelfie drool, cleaning their shop fronts and pavements with buckets and mops. A lot of ours look like they haven’t been cleaned since the Tories were last the majority party in Scotland!
Ottomanboi 9.52:”the fact that both (Gaelic and Scots) were introduced from outside the current borders of the country appears to escape them.”
Things might not be that straightforward:
https://electricscotland.com/history/articles/scotsirish.htm
Andy Ellis @ 11:29 am
“Like all but the smallest languages all of those you use as examples have multiple dialects too”
Most national languages have regional dialects and the Scots language isnae unusual in that regard. The fact there are regional dialects is niver a reason to deprive Scots bairns an fowk frae lairnin thair ain mither tongue.
Try another ‘standard’ Imperial deceit for depriving Scots o oor ain braw langage. How about the real reason, Cultural Assimilation?
Andy Ellis says:
28 August, 2022 at 10:29 am
Hmmnnnn….
Rev. Stuart Campbell says:
6 July, 2022 at 12:48 pm
Andy Ellis, Ruby: if either of you ever mentions the other by name (including any “clever” ways of doing so indirectly) again in any context whatsoever you’re banned . Clear? Not comment deleted, not pre-moderation, banned.
I have HAD ENOUGH of this fucking playground shit.
This is too bloody restrictive. It means I can’t be part of 90% of the discussion that’s going on here and a whole list of word are off limit
ie moonhowler, snivelling anonymous coward, natavists and you know the rest.
I’m kinda fed up now and QFMD I don’t care if I’m banned.
I don’t want to be part of a de facto Open University course with all dark sarcasm in the classroom and all the professor having a pissing contest to see who knows the ‘true’ history.
Some folk might think it’s not very ladylike/British (or some shite like that) to call someone a cunt and to point out that they are behaving like an absolute cunt but that to me is all part of Scottish English. That is the way people in Scotland speak and these words in my opinion are highly descriptive words and everyone in Scotland knows exactly what they mean.
This could be good-bye and the end of my online Gaelic classes.
Don’t be sad there’s always the Asterix books.
Fionan.
That is my very point,
They do have their own language, that is not connected to slang or rustic english.
But have been subsumed by old spoken english, and when forced to learn the English language they have transitioned the best they with could with the new words long ago phonetically.
When you read the list of words above and remove the way old english was spoken three or four hundred years ago, we can still see the remnants of the original language of the North, North East,
The north east were not originally english speakers,
Perhaps the biggest insult is to tell them and persuade them that the Pictish area of Scotland spoke english,
Its not perfect or a full comprehensive list above by no means, and some may be amended, however it appears the words are distinct to the area and a older language,
The invention of Doric by academics as a language at a very recent date when compared to local history is like saying the Pictish stone carvings when translated are actually english.
@Andy Ellis 12:09pm
I really enjoyed the performance and the grub in the Scallie and Scran afterwards. Edinburgh can put on a festival. I hope the long term appeal of the festival is not damaged too much by the optics on the streets.
@Alf Baird 12.29 pm
The fact there are regional dialects is niver a reason to deprive Scots bairns an fowk frae lairnin thair ain mither tongue.
There might be people who are doing that, but they don’t include me. I’m fully in support of measures to promote the Scots language: I think it’s admirable. I think Scots is certainly in a much better place than say Scots Gaelic here, or Irish in Ireland. Given limited resources and the constraints on school curriculums, I think I’d rather see priority given to preserving Gaelic, as it’s in more danger of dying out altogether, but that’s just a personal choice.
Try another ‘standard’ Imperial deceit for depriving Scots o oor ain braw langage. How about the real reason, Cultural Assimilation?
I’m not arguing that there isn’t an element of the Scots cringe and and element of official and non-official cultural discrimination against Scots as a language, and has been for centuries, but Scots is still being spoken by 1.5 million people. The decline of Irish in Ireland and Scots Gaelic here are salutary lessons. I have my doubts anything more radical will be done to help preserve either Scots or Gaelic without an independent Scottish government putting the resources and immediate focus on them that they need.
I might as well make hay while the sun shines.
In case you haven’t noticed 90% of the posts on here are about Andy Ellis. What Andy Ellis thinks or what other think about Andy Ellis or what his pals think about what you think about Andy Ellis.
Andy Ellis says:
28 August, 2022 at 12:09 pm
@George Ferguson 11.57 am
I’m ashamed to say a lot of it is down to folk just bing mocket. The state of many pavements, shop fronts and doorways – particularly food shops and restaurants – is shocking. You rarely if ever see local shop workers or staff out cleaning in front of their own shop the way you do in cities I’ve visited elsewhere.
Agreed. Alexie Sayle made the joke decades ago that Labour councils deliberately encounraged and via overzealous officialdom enforced a condition of helpless passivity whereupon the council did everything for you as a means of social control until it got to the stage with the last of the old outside lavvies you’d have people complaining no one had come round to pull the chain. An exaggeration of course, but you could see where he was coming from. I’ve no time for the sneers of “Nanny state” but at the same time people shouldn’t be always punished for doing what the council has not given “permission” to do so.
Mopping down and brushing up outside your shop or close used to be just seen as “the done thing”, but in today’s “whatever, bro” culture it is seen as someone else’s job if you’re not getting paid for it. Eateries with outside tables will naturally make the effort, but as to the rest the attitude is what’s the point?
Slowly but surely, we’ve turned into a nation of minks who think nothing’s wrong with going out in their jammies for a quick pop to the shops, as Burnistoun parodied so brilliantly.
For me the no 1 PROBLEM FACING US IS THE COST OF LIVING CRISES and 1 dont think the politicians of any party has a clue what to do .And can someone tell me why prices have to go up anyway
Governments are all about votes. They are not likely to invest in Gaelic if the majority of voters go absolutely bananas if they see a Gaelic sign or find out the government has spent even a penny on these offensive signs.
You can understand why Unionist might. They may think you are trying to eliminate their Britishness but why would independence supporters.
Might be time for a Gaelic hate crime.
Everybody should watch this GB News piece:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWaYdDKKTXc
To sum up, we have a respected health professional (Dr Aseem Malhotra) on a mainstream News channel suggesting that your health is more likely to suffer as a consequence of the vaccine than the virus, based on data from Pfizer’s own clinical trials (conducted when the much more deadly Wuhan strain was dominant). Take a moment on that.
I’m amazed it got through the propaganda filter but it seems there’s a growing acceptance that the whole thing is unravelling and certain people in high places are re-positioning themselves.
In the background, excess deaths continue to surge.
How was all this allowed to happen? They have the whole health system including health authorities and regulatory bodies in their pocket, that’s how.
Andy Ellis 10.38 am
“I don’t think it’s misleading or a false picture at all. You’re free to disagree of course. Norman French obviously had a huge impact, but we aren’t speaking a variant of French, we’re speaking a West Germanic language – whether we’re discussing English or Scots!”
A huge impact? Thats an understatement andy.
Here and now in 2022 , we are speaking a language called modern english. Something like 6 centuries after the norman French ceased to be seen as a seperate ethnic/linguistic group in these islands , the largest amount of modern english , some 45 % , is still norman french.
You are judging a book ( the english language) by its cover ( west germanic) , which in itself is a vague term encompassing many languages in western and central europe. What you really mean is anglo saxon.
Less than a third of modern english is anglo saxon. A large element 15 % is danish , and many more words borrowed from various languages.
So when modern english in England itself is made up of a majority of words from non anglo saxon , i find it highly spurious to hint that the common element linking scots and english is anglo saxon.
There were no anglo saxons in scotland of any number. There seemed tp be a small part of history , from the early 7th century to the 9th , were they held some position of power over an area of south east scotland roughly south of the esk in lothian.
The majority of the ordinary people in the area were p celtic speakers. This is seen in the large amount of p celtic placenames that survived the anglo saxon era , and of course the oldest literature of welsh comes from south east scotland.
Whatever power the anglo saxons had in this area , it was smashed between the hammer of the gaels and the anvil of the danes from the 9th century onwards.
South east scotland seems to have been a balkanised region with many languages , not just english being spoken. That includes gaidhlig.
Gaidhlig had become tha language of the scottish elite and the lingua franca across the whole of our country.
The idea some few anglo saxons villages , that may or may not have survived the cataclysmic destruction of the scottish and danish invasions , and the french , then spread english across the rest of scotland to me is an extremely weak argument.
Dr Mario pei the linguist famously pointed out the situation with old english in that era , after the norman invasion , old english ceased to be a written language and became the mere jargon of peasants.
Yet we are told here in scotland , an area that was predominantly celtic speaking for thousands of years potentially going back to the beaker people with a celtic then norman french elite , all of a sudden decided to speak some anglo saxon peasant jargon and call it scots ?
sorry a bit far fetched for me , and steeped in unionist fantasy to my mind and anti gaidhlig , this idea of a common germanic origin myth of the “british people”.
Tam devine famously points out how the scottish elite post 18th century tried in vain to sweep our gaidhlig past under the carpet while blushing furiously about our religous bigotry of the reformation.
@DavidRitchie 1:23pm
You have to go back to the early 90s and the abandoned of a strategic approach to Energy security by the assumption that market forces would do the job of the Nationalised Utilities. For example the removal of the legal requirement for private Generators to keep the lights on. That led to the so called ‘Dash for Gas’ by our Generators. Short termism in favour of shareholder dividends. Subsequently other decisions were made by politicians of all colour to exasperate this original flawed assumption. Moratorium on Nuclear Energy, Fracking, discentives for North Sea Oil and Gas exploration, the loss of Coal Generation and so on. Result is an out of control Energy Market. But never fear the icon of Scottish Economics Ross Greer has come up with the solution. Tax our additional tax payers even more to help struggling families cope with price increases. Already paying an additional 1500 compared to the rest of the UK. Undoubtedly this will lead to a reduction in overall tax revenue. I despair as much as my team getting a drubbing of 9 nil.
“Congratulations on finally getting out of your bed this morning, racist.”
Boyle.
Actually I was already up, but was in no rush to comment on your comment, as I suspected it would be dross laden, and I was right.
I wasn’t as you put it, with regards to the Scottish Power staff terrified !!!! (bold) to reply.
Meanwhile for those that aren’t terrified!!!
The front runner for PM and the next wannabe Thatcher, Truss, has vowed to go ahead with renewing Trident and keeping the nukes and subs in Scotland. I’m sure Truss will get on like a house on fire with the Scottish wannabe Thatcher Sturgeon the betrayer who wants to kick-off WWIII with a no-fly zone over (404).
“TORY leadership frontrunner Liz Truss has vowed to push ahead with renewing Trident if she wins the keys to Downing Street, as part of plans to “protect the UK”.
The Foreign Secretary has already pledged to boost defence spending to 3% of GDP by 2030 – a promise her rival Rishi Sunak has refused to match because he says he does not believe in “arbitrary targets” when it comes to security.
The Truss campaign has now set out her plan to “protect the UK”, including a “full renewal” of the nuclear deterrent, an update to the Government’s Integrated Review, and strengthened support for intelligence services.”
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F20800761.liz-truss-commits-keeping-trident-nuclear-weapons-clyde%2F
Good post, thomas.
That “lowland Scots are Anglos” is an annoying and common lie. You provide the linguistic argument, but the Oxford DNA studies are more direct – the Anglo Saxon cluster only just gets into Northumbria, it’s not that Scotland isn’t Anglo-Saxon, neither is Northumbria. But why let facts get in the way of some attractive lie.
– I heard there is something about this in the Mabinogion.
This “ancient history” is not harmless speculation (consider the middle east and the stories connected with a schizo who tried to kill his own son because God told him to do it) – the English try to “erase” us.
If lowland Scots are just Anglos, then we are really just englishmen with “funny accents” – this is a nasty attack, to be resisted.
Ellis @11.16am.
Still pushing the Western propaganda websites Politifact.com is ran by the Poynter Institute, which is funded by the Ford Foundation and the NED, the Omidyar Network and the Open Society Foundations.
You might as well have linked directly to the CIA.
Meanwhile as the Cost of Living in the union Crisis spirals out of control, and energy bills come through the letterbox that are scary in price. Boris Johnson has put his fingers in his ears and is singing to himself to drum out the noise, occasionally taking one finger out to shout its all the country’s fault East of (404).
In reality though the UK only receives under 4% of gas from this country so why are things getting so bad, why is the UK fairing probably the worst in Europe, when it comes to energy price hikes, when all around us especially in Scotland energy is in abundance.
The new PM most likely Truss has said she’ll give tax cuts to try and alleviate the suffering, which of course will aid the rich but not the poor. It sounds to me as if the Westminster Tory government hasn’t got a clue how to get us out of this mess, and we in Scotland are stuck on this UK oneway track because our FM is a treacherous b*stard who has sold Scotland out to save the union.
I think we’ll all need to stock up on candles for the coming power cuts in the Winter, and find out where our nearest council warm bank will be such, as a library or school.
Tinto Chiel says:
28 August, 2022 at 12:12 pm
Ottomanboi 9.52:”the fact that both (Gaelic and Scots) were introduced from outside the current borders of the country appears to escape them.”
Things might not be that straightforward:
https://electricscotland.com/history/articles/scotsirish.htm
I don’t see how that matters</b.
Just testin' to see if I've been banned.
@Confused 3.24 pm
…it’s not that Scotland isn’t Anglo-Saxon, neither is Northumbria. But why let facts get in the way of some attractive lie.
I think folk need to beware of projecting current prejudices back into the early medieval period. It is certainly arguable that SE Scotland remained largely Brittonic even when it was ruled by what were undoubtedly Angles, and that Bernicia and later Northumbria encompassed large parts of SE Scotland up to the Forth. Perhaps the language was mostly confined to the ruling elite. It’s not lying to point out the obvious fact that by the later medieval period the Anglic language which became Scots had become dominant in much of central Scotland, Fife and parts of the east coast.
Projecting modern concerns with the status of the Scots language today, or contemporary debates about unionism versus nationalism with events of a millennium or more ago is pretty facile.
Sadly for many nativists in here however, what history does show is that Scotland / Alba was always multinational. There are reports that Brittonic speakers persisted in the southern uplands and SW until the 14th century for example. Doubtless Pictish didn’t die out overnight but hung on for generations before it finally died out. Early Scotland consisted of a melange of people, some who had been here from time immemorial, others who settled here. They spoke brittonic celtic languages, Gaelic, Anglic based anglo-saxon, Danish, Norwegian and later Norman French, and Flemish.
Andy Ellis @ 12:56 pm
“I’m fully in support of measures to promote the Scots language”
That’s nice, however mere ‘promotion’ (whatever that means) of any language is not good enough. Language is a human right and a national language has to be given authority and also be taught to its people if it is to survive, or be respected, i.e. taught to Higher level and Degree level, as is the case for the English and Gaelic languages. This would be what is known as ‘equality’ and respect for human rights.
@RoS 3.29 pm
Still wearing the tin-foil hat and believing any old discredited shite some random conspiracy theory shite he finds on the internet or that Brotherhood or other moonhowlers link to.
Only fringe nutters think that every university, news organisation, interest group, institute or individual academic which doesn’t validate their woo-woo is controlled by the CIA / Gates Foundation / George Soros / the Illuminati / Big Pharma or “international finance”.
Those who think so aren’t automatically QAnon/Trumpist/far right/anti semitic/xenophobic/bigots, but there is of course a huge overlap, and you can guarantee that virtually all of those in the aforesaid groups will be enthusiastic proponents of conspiracy theorising, covidiocy, climate change denial, the Great Reset, “Vlad and his mates are a great bunch of lads and Country 404 had it coming” types.
By your friends indeed….
Three weeks to the Yestival in Glasgow folks. 18th September 12pm til 4. No marching required.
Momentum seems to be building for this one, and the timing feels right to start going “big” with these events. It’s Glasgow, on a Sunday. There no reason why we can’t make this one a BIG gathering.
Spread the word. Make the effort. Tell people you’re going and then do it. Turn the screw. Give hope to our people that there’s a way out of this.
18th September. Scotland’s dark anniversary.
Let’s declare our intention to put Scotland’s resources out of “their” reach, then see who’s worried about the cost of living crisis and the lights going out.
Come on people… let’s do what we can to make this a big one. Huge. Fill the streets with Saltires and optimism. Or are you just gonna hope somebody else does your bit?
@Republicofscotland 3:43pm
I share your concern about the ability of the public to be able to cope this winter. See my post 2:38pm. The energy crisis has been 30 years in the making. And the Scottish Government have played their part. No nuclear, no fracking, ambivalent at best to North Sea Oil and Gas. Crazy ideas like no gas boilers in new builds from 2024. Some people blame the Net Zero policy. It started a long time before that policy was even thought of. I have a lack of confidence in both the UK and Scottish Governments to resolve these issues. And for Scotland,as you remarked, a country that is energy rich in resource.
@Alf Baird 4.16 pm
I agree. I have my doubts it will happen any time soon. Whether it happens post independence is a matter for the new Scots parliament to decide based on whether the “guid fowk” direct them to do so? I’d like to see provision and money for both Gaelic and Scots vastly increased, but there are lots of other areas that will be calling on the public purse too.
The Irish government’s efforts over decades to promote the Irish language haven’t met with hug success, but then for many decades they didn’t really have much in the way of resources. It is interesting – if tragic – that the consensus seems to be that Irish may die out as an everyday language in the Gaeltacht with a decade or two but be preserved amongst urban Irish speakers.
Republicofscotland says:
in the Winter, and find out where our nearest council warm bank will be such, as a library or school.
The heating in the library, council or school is not going to be free.
From 1st August 2022
Edinburgh Library now charges 95p if you want to borrow an audio book, 90p for a CD/DVD
Inter library loan £13
£2.80 for a replacement card
All that used to be free.
We may well see a return to the covid restrictions whereby you have to book a 20 minute appointment to enter the library.
Prices will go up everywhere.
I’m anticipating Edinburgh Leisure may close their saunas & steam rooms or charge a fortune for their use.
There is the issue I suppose of whether people will be able to afford a gym membership with or without sauna/steam room, or a haircut, a coffee, a manicure, or anything else that looks like a luxury.
Lots of businesses might be forced to close down.
There is definitely going to be a lot of trouble.
I am utterly pissed off.
Georeg Ferguson.
I’ve read that the UK’s gas problems have partially arisen because there is no gas storage facilities in the UK, and we rely on a Just-in-Time services for it, that has now been thrown into chaos due to Brexit and Covid.
I however believe we’ve allowed the power/gas companies to become to profitable at our expense, and that I think is down to successive governments bowing to the big energy companies whims, and of course I’d image they donate to the Tory party, and whose to say a few backhanders aren’t passed over in the process.
I don’t expect the Tories do much on the energy companies front, I expect Truss to eventually cave in due to public pressure, and come to some sort of arrangement where the government pays them to reduce our costs in the short term and we pay the government back in the long term.
Ellis @4.25pm.
Keep it coming you’re fooling no one.
Andy Ellis says:
28 August, 2022 at 8:37 am
@ “Scott”
You’d think Ellis would get bored setting up comments to reply to…
You’d think you’d get bored with your creepy as fuck obsession with me and post about something or someone else now and then, but apparently not…..
I only have one ID on here. I have neither the time nor the motivation to post using multiple online personalities. Doubtless there may be others with multiple aliases, but there again I’m not the snivelling anonymous coward too afraid to own their own opinions in here.
It would seem a bit obsessional of someone to have multiple ID’s as well as a public one which is pretty easily traceable.
—
Methinks the fud doth protest too much…
“The heating in the library, council or school is not going to be free.”
Ruby.
I doubt they’ll charge, a warm bank is just what it says on the tin, a place to go to, to keep warm, I think most folk will attend them at night when temperatures plummet in the Winter. Mind and get your candles in, as we go back to future in 1970’s Britain with power cuts.
Top tip for staying warm and saving cash this winter. Emigrate.
@Republicofscotland 4:55pm
Just in time is the way of privatised companies. But there are gas storage facilities in the UK. One of the most innovative solutions was the capture of gas in an old cave complex by SSE. A brilliant project that worked rather than a gas tank on our doorsteps. The upside of privatisation, the downside they don’t care if we freeze. And what a wheeze by the CEO of the old Scottish Power. Get the Government to pick up the rising cap. Consumers won’t be able to pay it so the Government should. Why?. They would prefer the 100 billion from the Government than chase consumers for 20 years. This is an apolitical problem requiring an apolitical solution.
Joanna Cherry opens up about the abuse she received at the hands of the SNP, as Blackford and Sturgeon stoodby and did nothing to help her. The crowd at the Edinburgh Fringe gasped in astonishment on hearing what went on.
“JOANNA Cherry has revealed her upset at hearing fellow SNP MPs giving their support to a colleague guilty of sexual misconduct while the abuse she suffered was ignored.
To audible gasps, she told an Edinburgh Fringe event neither Nicola Sturgeon or SNP Westminster leader Ian Blackford gave her any support after she received rape threats.
There had been “no support whatsoever” from the party leadership, she said, suggesting it was because people were “afraid” to be seen defending her because of her gender critical views.
She is opposed to Scottish Government plans to let people self-identify as the opposite sex for most legal purposes without any “gatekeeping”, fearing this could put women at risk.”
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldscotland.com%2Fpolitics%2F20684787.gasps-joanna-cherry-qc-says-nicola-sturgeon-gave-no-support-whatsoever-rape-threats%2F
@Republic 4:55
Gas shortages due to Brexit?
How’s that then? Gas waiting at the border to get in, but delayed due to bad paperwork? Or incompatible gas standards? Flames the wrong shape?
Brexit causing gas shortages and gas price hikes all over Europe?
FFS, I almost wish it could be true!
But it’s nae. It’s shite.
George Ferguson.
“Dr Sean Field, research fellow at the Centre for Energy Ethics at the University of St Andrews”
“But Field said the lack of storage for natural gas in the UK was a major issue when prices soar.
“We gave up what is called the Rough facility in 2017/18 – which gave up about 70% of the UK’s natural gas storage,” he said “So basically, we are almost on a ‘just in time’ system for natural gas from Europe to meet our domestic needs.””
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F20800914.uk-energy-crisis-due-catastrophic-westminster-policy-failure-expert-sean-field-warns%2F%23comments-anchor
” And what a wheeze by the CEO of the old Scottish Power. Get the Government to pick up the rising cap. Consumers won’t be able to pay it so the Government should. Why?. They would prefer the 100 billion from the Government than chase consumers for 20 years. This is an apolitical problem requiring an apolitical solution.”
I totally agree with the above George.
Alf Baird says:
28 August, 2022 at 4:16 pm
Andy Ellis @ 12:56 pm
“I’m fully in support of measures to promote the Scots language”
That’s nice, however mere ‘promotion’ (whatever that means) of any language is not good enough. Language is a human right and a national language has to be given authority and also be taught to its people if it is to survive, or be respected, i.e. taught to Higher level and Degree level, as is the case for the English and Gaelic languages. This would be what is known as ‘equality’ and respect for human rights.
Are you claiming Scots is our national language? I have a problem with that.
As it stand Scottish English is made up of Gaelic words, Scots words, words in Doric, Glaswegian words etc etc. I think that is brilliant.
It would be great to see Scottish English including more Gaelic, more Scots, more Doric words etc.
Instead of having Higher English we could have higher Scottish English. That way everyone could be included and we could really have a national language.
The English, the pure Gaelic, the pure Doric could all be available if people wanted to study them but Scottish English would be compulsory.
The broadcaster on TV etc would all speak Scottish English.
How do you think the people who go absolutely bananas about Gaelic signs would react to signs in Scots?
When I see Gaelic signs I want to know what they mean. I see Gaelic on a ambulance and think that’s how you write ambulance in Gaelic that is very interesting. I most definetely don’t go absolutely bananas and I’m shocked when people do Equally when I hear words like muckle, loon, bints, quine etc I want to know what these words mean. If I lived in an area where these words were used I would be keen to use them and to learn more.
What I’m saying is the pure Scots speakers can’t be greedy and start claiming the national language should be pure Scots.
“FFS, I almost wish it could be true!
But it’s nae. It’s shite.”
Main @5.23pm.
I normally wouldn’t reply to stupid comments, however I’ll make an exception for you.
From the British state propaganda machine.
If the UK Brexited, and it did.
“The UK would be vulnerable to gas supply shortages and price hikes after Brexit, an industry leader has warned.
Marco Alvera, head of European industry body GasNaturally, told the BBC that EU nations could restrict gas exports to the UK during winter cold snaps in order to prioritise their own citizens.”
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fbusiness-48788636
“We’ve spoken to several ministers and civil servants over the last two years. Energy has not been discussed enough.”
Republicofscotland says:
28 August, 2022 at 5:01 pm
“The heating in the library, council or school is not going to be free.”
Ruby.
I doubt they’ll charge
You’ll pay through your council tax.
“You’ll pay through your council tax.”
Ruby we already pay through our council taxes for our community facilities which have been reduced, if there is to be a rise it would most likely happen next April.
It would almost be better if the libraries closed. Have you seen the height of the ceilings in Edinburgh Central?
@Ottomanboi
“Not many use folding money in this century”
Really?
I guess there must be lots of people who have yet to try buying staple provisions when the power is off, or the internet is down.
I also guess that none of the fully up-to-date, digital currency enthusiasts ever intend to fall out with the governing regime, whatever it will be in the future and for all time. The fate of Covid-protesting truckers in Canada, or Graham Phillips in the UK right now, is of supreme indifference to them.
[For those ignorant of Graham Phillips, he spoke and wrote out of turn and he is now the only British citizen so far to have been sanctioned by the WM government. With all of his assets frozen indefinitely, I suspect he would really value the ability to feed himself that cash would bring]
@Republic 5:34
Wow. Break out the bunting – Republic cherry picking from the BBC.
Let me do the same.
“EU could restrict” “during winter cold snaps”
Brrr. Baltic today, eh? Nae wonder gas is so expensive.
Jeez Republic. At least get your barrel in place first, before you go scraping in it.
@Ruby 4:16
“If I lived in an area where these words were used I would be keen to use them”
Ah, that explains your over-dependence on “cunt”.
Let’s hope you can get upwardly mobile soon. Clean up BTL here so that we can get youngsters politically aware and investing in Scotland’s future.
@ “Scott” 5.01pm
Methinks the fud doth protest too much…
Says the creepy as fuck obsessive stalker with neurological issues, 90% of whose output is devoted to to me and my posts, who spends most of his time trawling my past including a 30 year old PhD thesis and dormant WordPress site, stalking my daughter online and asserting that I have multiple online identities from behind his anonymous ID.
Snivelling coward is as snivelling coward does, I guess?
@John Main 5.57 pm
Wow. Break out the bunting – Republic cherry picking from the BBC.
That’s a keeper. So is the BBC always an instrument of the Great Satan, or only when Vlad’s cheerleader in chief isn’t relying on them for talking points?
Alert readers need to know!
@RoS 4.58 pm
Keep it coming you’re fooling no one.
Aw mate…I’m not the one desperately clinging to my anonymous online persona like you are because you know most of your opinions are about as popular as a fart in a sauna.
You lack the courage to own your fringe nutter views publicly, despite saying you support Alba, and if memory serves claiming to be a member. if that’s true I feel truly sorry for the branch unfortunate enough to have you in its ranks. Vlad lovers and people opining that the people of the country he invaded “had it coming” don’t seem that popular amongst the Alba folk I know and have talked to.
Unlike you, I’m not trying to fool anyone. You and the other moonhowlers in here othering people you disagree with as yoons or MI5 agents or Sturgeonista stooges just look a bit deranged. It fits with the world view right enough, and it’s pretty obvious why you wouldn’t want to be identifiable.
Andy Ellis says:
28 August, 2022 at 6:22 pm
@ “Scott” 5.01pm
Says the creepy as fuck obsessive stalker with neurological issues, 90% of whose output is devoted to to me and my posts, who spends most of his time trawling my past including a 30 year old PhD thesis and dormant WordPress site, stalking my daughter online and asserting that I have multiple online identities from behind his anonymous ID.
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You do, because you’re a pathetic, paranoid narcissist, convinced of your own superiority and importance.
@”Scott” 6.47 pm
You do, because you’re a pathetic, paranoid narcissist, convinced of your own superiority and importance.
So desperate, and at the same time so unbalanced. Do tell which online identities these might be? I only post here under my own name. I don’t have a Twitter account and my Facebook page is restricted to family and friends. I have a GETTER account, but it’s a bit of a dead duck as a platform.
Being superior to a low life creepy as fuck stalker like you isn’t saying much “Scott”.
Ellis@6.40pm.
Ellis, and I thought your brother-in-arms Boyle was the king of long winded comments.
Ellis@6.25pm.
Using an establishment propaganda machine to make a point, makes it almost impossible for establishment stooges like yourself to counter their own propaganda machines narrative without pointing out its bias.
@Andy Ellis and Confused.
Where I live in West Yorkshire also showed a marked dominance of ‘British’ DNA rather than English (historians routinely call the inhabitants at the time of the Romans ‘British’ or Romano-British), in contrast to what later became the ‘English’ which ties in with the ancient Kingdom of Elmet that was eventually overrun by the Angles. Baird’s comments about the ‘Britanni’ as being synonymous with the English and British as we now call them, as Boyle pointed out, is wholly wrong. Devon and Cornwall also have very different heritage still evident today.
It is fascinating this DNA lingers today in discernible patterns and also pretty much proves that for the most part, peoples stayed put, and intermingled rather than being ousted. That mix forms the basis of the population of this island and that process is continual and ongoing. For example, writers at the time bemoaned the Norman invasion as being the end of the true-born Englishman. Today, the Normans make up the ‘true born’ English who are apparently under threat from different foreigners.
And remember the Oxford DNA survey relied on a few thousand specific families who could trace ancestry back (an obvious methodology) but this does not mean this represents the population in general today. I find this whole discussion of heritage as if it is all about ancient tribes from 1500 years ago or longer and still has important relevance today as pretty mindless and will solve nothing and help nobody. A nation is made up of those who live there now and it is the mix of heritages that make it what it is and this mix will vary in different areas of the island, sometimes quite markedly. But it is always changing and trying to claim there is a true heritage that defines it, is at best like Cnut trying to hold back the waves (and we know that in fact, Cnut was being ironic) and at worst, well that depends how far you want to take it, but I don’t need to spell out the end game.
This is just the tip of the iceberg, imagine what an independent Scotland could achieve with all the levers of government power in place.
“MORE than a million bottles of Scotch whisky will be shipped to China after a giant ship arrived in Scotland as part of the first direct container service between the two countries.
The Allseas Pioneer arrived in Greenock on Saturday from Ningbo in China, laden with items including textiles, furniture and toys for sale in Scotland.
It comes after bosses at KC Shipping established a direct link between the two countries, a move hailed as a “game changer for Scotland”.”
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F20796704.first-direct-container-shipping-services-scotland-china-launches%2F
Southernbystander says:
“A nation is made up of those who live there now”
Ooh, civic nationalism klaxon! But as pointed out to you previously. England doesn’t accept that view as can been seen in the restricted voting franchises it selects to use.
EG. Westminster (aka the English Parliament) deemed not to include EU Nationals living in the UK in the “Brexit” vote, and if we are one UK nation then why does Scotland utilise a more inclusive voting franchise.
@RoS 7.28 pm
Aw mate…I’m sure you’re well used to hearing that length isn’t everything! 🙂
@Southernbystander 7:44pm
Interesting analysis from Yorkshire that has a population of 10 million twice that of Scotland. My DNA is 6% Neanderthal an outlier on the normal distribution curve. I guess it’s my ginger hair. But explain my 3 degrees?. Neanderthal? People living and paying taxes in Scotland should get the vote in an Independence Scottish Referendum.
That’s not going to happen anyway. Still we can dream. It’s a genetic melting pot and unravelling of origin serves no purpose.
@George Ferguson 8:31
Of course!
No taxation without representation.
People believed that so strongly at one time that they were prepared to fight about it.
I bet that if you told New Scots that they could come here to live, work, and NOT pay tax in return for not getting to vote, we would be swamped.
But that would at least be fair.
As I have written countless times, nobody here will be quibbling over New Scots getting an Indy Ref vote, if they are going to vote Yes. And as immigration to anywhere has personal advantage baked in, all the Indy movement has to do is convince New Scots of how they will personally benefit from Indy.
Then stand clear to avoid being trampled in the rush to vote Yes.
George Ferguson says:
28 August, 2022 at 2:38 pm
… Moratorium on Nuclear Energy, Fracking, discentives for North Sea Oil and Gas exploration, the loss of Coal Generation and so on. Result is an out of control Energy…
I don’t share your perspective George.
I’m “agnostic” about Oil and Gas, but close, I think, to Alex Salmond’s view that Fossil Fuels need to be pioneering the capture of Carbon. We have a timeframe to wean ourselves off fossil fuels, but that weaning off process can still be highly profitable… IF the revenue was coming to Scotland. To an extent, it is the Devil we know.
But as for Nuclear fission, and Fracking, I am 100% behind the moratorium. Scotland does not need to embrace, or risk these controversial energies, and to do so seems retrograde in the extreme.
I am deeply, deeply mistrustful that the impetus for Nuclear and Fracking does not come from Scotland, but the depressingly familiar UK attitude which sees Scotland as a sparsely populated backward area where you find the least resistance to nuclear dumping and fewest consequences stemming from environmental contamination or pollution. I refuse to be consoled about the risks of Fracking by a Nation hellbent on deregulation which is pumping raw sewage into it’s watercourses and paying out million in bonuses to those wankers responsible for causing it.
I would happily chisel the wording of that Moratorium on Fracking and Nuclear into a tablet of stone made from our hardest and most durable granite. Not in my name. Not in my Nation.
@George Ferguson 8.31 pm
Yorkshire’s population is 5.4 million: more than Scotland but not 10 million I think?
I often wondered what would happen if Yorkshire and other northern MPs acted as a unit to try and assert their interests? I’m not sure how many MPs the whole of Yorkshire has.
When we stayed in Yorkshire for 8 months before moving back to Edinburgh I saw lots of Yorkshire flags – lots more than you see saltires up here. Be great if the Yorkshire Party took off!
£100B split between 10 million UK households makes £10K each – so an easy temporary fix to at least some of the criminality on display if Liz Truss is up for it.
Elsewhere, enjoying the language lessons and opportunity to add a couple of personal favourites in form of gillie (stable lass) – which I associate with the first chief of Clan Campbell and the rather attractive idea of her getting on hands and knees to hold the Norman horses..
..and the schiltron – the extra long poles she and the other gaels would likely have perfectly pollarded, since long before the romano-greeks came calling, in preparation for same
@Breeks 9:12pm
OK let your Countrymen freeze and apply your politics. And see where that gets you. You don’t share my perspective because you have never worked in the energy industry. I have forgotten more than you know. Our first priority should to protect our vulnerable people. Alas your forte is politics.
@Andy Ellis 9:15pm
Never trust the exaggeration of a Yorkshire man. Touche I was wrong on this issue but not on my field of Energy.
@Dan at 7.57pm
You seem to be under the misapprehension that I am a defender of the UK (‘Westminster’) government or that I was seeking to in my post. I am not and was not. The Brexit vote should have included EU nationals living here in my view given as how it was bound to affect them personally. I was expressing a view on what we think a nation is in terms of the people who live in it given how much of a moveable feast that obviously is. You may sound the civic nationalism klaxon but it is incontrovertibly true that any nation is made up of the people who live in it. The only way to change that is to literally boot people out, otherwise known as ethnic cleansing.
As for the franchise in any future Scottish independence referendum I have no relevant view. If I were asked for one I would say some kind of limited residence status would not be unreasonable. I’m not clear what George’s reference to the population of Yorkshire has to do with this. What I found interesting in the DNA survey was how marked the DNA difference was to surrounding areas (so I am talking about West Yorkshire only, population 2.3 million, not other parts) and how it mapped onto the Elmet Kingdom, a legendary place mentioned by Bede, which is known historically as the last ‘Celtic’ stronghold in the newly forming England.
@ Andy Ellis 9.15pm
“I’m not sure how many MPs the whole of Yorkshire has.”
Apparently, it’s 54 in total for Yorkshire and the Humber. I’ve just checked. Currently 25 Conservatives and 29 Labour.
” all the Indy movement has to do is convince New Scots of how they will personally benefit from Indy. ”
Aye . But . How ?
Assuming for the moment economic self-interest would override questions of national identity . I agree it could : difficult to say to what degree .
The more difficult challenge is the reality of operating in the globalised Economy , where things we have no control over can impact massively on national Economies . eg….Sub-Prime Mortages which precipitated the crash of 2008 .
How can you convince anyone – basically , they’ll have more money in Scotland than , say , England , when it’s virtually impossible to predict the economic future ?
We could offer lower income tax – but we know the consequences of that for public services from long experience : and do we really want to adopt the Singapore-On-Thames model of Tory * Britain * ?
We could just kid people on , tell them a load a shite about how brilliant life in Scotland is , or soon will be . People will believe anything : or so it appears .
Of course an Independent Scotland definitely COULD provide a good quality of life for ALL of it’s residents . With the right people in control . Ah ! there’s the dark matter ; we assume it’s there but so far undetectable .
The Neo Lib infected Neo SNP would perhaps not survive long electorally Post-Independence – that remains to be seen . Not seeing any of it’s hypothetical successors proposing anything much different . At least not different enough to address the fundamental causes of societal discontent and strife
@Andy Ellis, the Yorkshire Party will not take off. I knew a member locally and though a nice man had only tiny support.
My ex-local Labour MP (a Corbyn supporter who was voted out at the least election then later resigned in protest against Starmer) helped form a new party, The Northern Independence Party and stood in the 2021 Hartlepool by-election. She lost her deposit, finished 8th gaining 850 votes. In the GE in in 2017 she won the seat where I live for Labour gaining 29,000 votes.
The problem most people have with these parties is regardless of the benefits they might concede they might bring, they mostly see them as just adding more layers of red tape whilst drinking up the gravy from the train in amounts even a Yorkshireman would consider too much to put on their portion of chips.
@southernbystander 9;46pm
Please address your criticisms to the person involved directly and don’t lose them in a diatribe of ethnic origin. My beef about Yorkshire people is they are beset by origin. I am not. I don’t care who gets the vote as long as the pay taxes and live here. Do you?
Ellis, even when you are not being actively irritating, you do waffle a lot. That’s a load of subsidiary speculation.
– those DNA studies are bloody obvious; they even draw you a picture. The modern Scots are 3 clusters, the English an Anglo centre plus a celtic periphery, which extends in the welsh and the cornish.
“the written word is a lie” – is something we all have to deal with; trying to triangulate the truth from bede, the invasions of ireland, the scotichronicon, this, that, the other, it all becomes like “the chronicles of narnia” (I am watching Vikings at the moment and reading about “Ragnar Lothbrok” … ) – but this DNA, it is actual science.
People retreat from it because of the potential for misuse, but that is the case for all science. At least “the numbers” provide a reset, a point of reference.
Myth making is potentially very dangerous – the nazis looking for the ancient aryans in tibet, or the phenomenon of “british israelism” which attempts to make the anglo saxons the lost tribe of israel, and hence “the master race”/”chosen people”. Downstream, bad things happen when you embed ethno-racial supremacism into your makeup. But my scottish identity is not about denying anyone else their own, by e.g. laying claim to someone elses land on the basis of a 3000 year old “property deal”. I want an indy Scotland not a Scot Empire.
Genetics is a tool, but people think you are advocating for a GATTACA ethnostate, DNA tests at the border and a “social credit score” based on your matchup to some genetic archetype. It’s just a tool. Arguments about the past are arguments about the present and they shape the future.
Some years ago an academic hoax was perpetrated, almost certainly by the israelis; a book called “from time immemorial” by “joan peters” attempted to “erase” the palestinians, claiming there was no one there before the jewish s3ttl3rs turned up; it was debunked, ironically, by the american jew, Norman Finkelstein. Fake history, for political purposes. This is the kind of thing which is going on, all the time, and in the past. Ironically, a DNA study debunked the linkage of most jews, ashkenazis, to the middle east when it found the palestinians and mediterranean jews were similar, but the ashkenazi different; this paper caused such a stink it was withdrawn. Point is – DNA is always the truth.
southernbystander
yorkshire, devon, cornwall all have their own identity
the normans didn’t leave much genetic legacy on the english
I assume the oxford scientists understand the concept of sampling; I mean, we all pay attention to opinion polls
I think your last para is an unconvincing call for “civic nationalism” – up here we have “we are all jock tamsons bairns”; this usually comes from a good place, about “being nice to people” but that doesn’t address anything important. I mean – how far do you want to take it – the waters are muddied in the UK as Scots and Anglos, and yorkshiremen – are all a similar shade of pink, but England has become very multicultural – how is that working out, and what do the (native) English think about it? That new census data is going to be interesting.
– you should start an “independence for Yorkshire” movement; you are big enough to be viable, and you have some offshore gas. Re-run the war of the roses.
George, OK it can get confusing.
If I were to be critical about Yorkshire folk it is their obsession with being Yorkshire folk and the idea that Yorkshire is special, ‘God’s own country’ and all that tiresome crap. I also know plenty here from the area who also don’t like it so it is not everybody by a long way.
As for who gets a vote in principle I agree but it does vary does it not, depending on what type of vote it is? It is never that simple. Even saying ‘and who lives here’ is not a straightforward thing. How do you define living somewhere? All these things have rules.
@Southernbtystander 10:15pm
A simple question. Do you live in Scotland and pay taxes? If so you have the vote on Scottish Independence. If not you don’t. It’s that simple. The worst bus journey in my life was leaving the Cheltenham racecourse with Yorkshiremen and Lancashire men fighting on the top deck. It took a Scotsman to separate them.
Confused says:
Myth making is potentially very dangerous – the nazis looking for the ancient aryans in tibet, or the phenomenon of “british israelism” which attempts to make the anglo saxons the lost tribe of israel
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What if Israel is actually Ireland, the isle of the gaels – Isgael?
Also, what if the Romans also came from Ireland and roamed/travelled?
And, ‘I’m walking backwards for Christmas across the Irish Sea’ is allegorical beyond belief…?
George Ferguson @ 10:28 pm
“A simple question. Do you live in Scotland and pay taxes? If so you have the vote on Scottish Independence. If not you don’t.”
That is a rather simplistic statement. Self-determination is primarily about a defined ‘people’ rather than a place. A ‘people’ may have been wilfully evicted, dispersed, and to some extent replaced, by an oppressor power.
Lets also remember that the UN describes self-determination independence as decolonisation.
@Alf Baird 11:19pm
We are on different sides of the argument again. But it was ever thus in Scotland. The duality and ambiguity of identity. It’s served those well to ride on the back of Independence. The SNP, the booksellers and so on. Thank God for the Doon Hauden it keeps the SNP in power. I am part of the new Scotland. An emerging movement that says neither Government is fit for purpose.
Andy Ellis says:
28 August, 2022 at 7:57 pm
@RoS 7.28 pm
Aw mate…I’m sure you’re well used to hearing that length isn’t everything!
Confirmation that all the pissing contests/bullying is really all about proving who has the biggest dick. I knew it all along.
This kinda thing used to be confined to men only but now the ‘women’ are at it. My lady dick is much much bigger than your tiny terf fanny!
@Alf Baird 11.19 pm
Self-determination is primarily about a defined ‘people’ rather than a place.
You and a minority of others want to exclude up to 20% of the people of Scotland from any say in their future using the spurious argument that it is common practice for countries to restrict the franchise used for self determination referendums to exclude those not born in the place voting for independence, or to impose long residence criteria.
You know this is not the case, and that doing so in Scotland would mean we are not following historical and constitutional precedent, because Scotland is NOT considered a case of decolonisation by the UN, the international community or indeed the majority of Scots.
Lets also remember that the UN describes self-determination independence as decolonisation.
No, it really doesn’t. The UN defines the self determination of non self governing territories as decolonisation. The UN doesn’t include places like Scotland, Quebec or Catalonia in its list of such territories, nor does it accept – irrespective of your assertions or wishful thinking to the contrary – that those places represent decolonisation. Show us your evidence and the statement from the UN which supports your statement.
Today could be the day that I’m banned!
QFMD I don’t care!
I’m pretty fed up with the ‘Big Dicks Contests’.
Bye-bye Hugs & kisses xxxxxx
PS Andy Ellis is a cunt!
@confusednyname 10.04 pm
Ellis, even when you are not being actively irritating, you do waffle a lot. That’s a load of subsidiary speculation.
Says the guy who proceeds to waffle on for paragraphs about…..well…who knows. DNA and the film GATTACA for some reason…? [insert shrug emoji here].
Doesn’t seem to have much of a point or reach much of a conclusion, still less interact directly with anything I said or wrote. Nul points.
@southernbystander 9.58 pm
You may be right WRT the prospects for northern based parties: then again the SNP were seen as a fringe group until relatively recently. I know that most Yorkshire and NE folk I know have a strong sense of local identity, even though most also regard themselves as English.
It still sort of surprises me though given the differences between north and south either that some of the northern MPs haven’t thought to at least have a “Northern caucus” to put pressure on Westminster on particular issues (levelling up, transport links, infrastructure, energy policy, support for shipbuilding…) or in extremis setting up a separate party whether of the left or just generally along the lines of CDU/CSU split in Germany.
Perhaps England is just too centralised?
George Ferguson says:
28 August, 2022 at 9:34 pm
@Breeks 9:12pm
OK let your Countrymen freeze and apply your politics. And see where that gets you. You don’t share my perspective because you have never worked in the energy industry. I have forgotten more than you know. Our first priority should to protect our vulnerable people. Alas your forte is politics.
But if those presumptuous and arrogant attitudes are typical of the energy industry, then you rather prove the point all by yourself.
@Robert Hughes 9.56 pm
The Neo Lib infected Neo SNP would perhaps not survive long electorally Post-Independence – that remains to be seen . Not seeing any of it’s hypothetical successors proposing anything much different . At least not different enough to address the fundamental causes of societal discontent and strife
I agree with your comment. With respect to the SNP’s prospects post indy, I doubt it is likely to just disappear, whether the membership manage to reform it and wrest control of the party from its current dysfunctional leadership or not. With luck it will go the way of the IPP, but even if not, I suspect that post indy it will never be in the dominant position it has been in over recent years.
Holyrood should move to a full STV system like Ireland to ensure broad representation of smaller parties and interest groups and prevent overweening power being exercised by one party (or one large party and a symbiotic smaller one like the Greens).
Certainly if we want a party intent on moving us towards a Scandinavian style social democracy centring equality of opportunity, good public services and progressive politics, we need to ensure the neo-liberal managerialists in the SNP behind the Growth Commission (not to mention the candy floss haired TRA extremists) are never handed the kind of power they have now.
” all the Indy movement has to do is convince New Scots of how they will personally benefit from Indy. ”
First off they wont need to be the boss (or loyal to the old one) anymore so they can clock off at 4.30 and forget about all the rubbish until morning – and if that’s not attractive to them, or its no different to what they’re doing already, then the prospect of a more energetic, resourceful and self motivated middle management might be enough to do the trick 😉
Re: Andy Ellis.
I go away,,,and come back,,, to the same name dominating the comments.
That old saying about “don’t feed the Trolls” seems to be getting totally ignored on Wings.
The guy Ellis is the best fed Troll on the internet,,,all thanks to a complient few who just can’t stop feeding him.
Trust me,,,the guy is a bigger plant than Nicola Sturgeon.
Please guys, Wings is known throughout the Yes movement for being at the forefront of not being taken in by chancers,,,,yet,,, for some strange reason the guy Ellis seems to have hooked a few of you Into playing his game of “Ellis knows best”.
Don’t feed this plant.
His job is to turn punters off from contributing to Wings,,,and so far he is achieving his objective.
ANDY ELLIS
Do not confuse national identity with the regional/local variety.
Yorkshire lacks the historic elements of nationhood. First among those being the existential sense of being a nation. England is their nation, through language, law, custom and sensibilties. Administratively, Yorkshire doesn’t actually exist as a unified entity.
The Yorkshire is the equal of Scotland gambit employed by unionists, who know remarkably little of Scotland should not even enter the conversation. It is a timewaster topic. Leading to that other timewaster topic «federalism».
English regions have been offered more autonomy, overwhelmingly the concept has been rejected as unnecessary «overgovernment». It does enjoy a certain life on the no hoper political fringes though.
@Rab Davis 9.19 am
It just sounds like more conspiracy theory pish from the hard of thinking Rab. It seems like all you and others have? Nobody is forcing you or others to engage with me or anyone else below the line. There are plenty of posters who post as much it more – and often at interminable length – than I do.
Sounds a lot like special pleading that you feel the need to post that someone you disagree with is supposedly dominating the feed, but spamming bullshit about 300 year old treaties, banging on about Scotland being a colony, or promoting conspiracy theory woo-woo about vaccines and the Great Reset is just fine? Away and gie yer head a shake.
And as for the ultimate conspiracy theorising about me – or presumably anyone else who has the temerity to disagree with you – being a plant (planted by who? Working to what agenda? On what evidence?) just give it a rest. Unlike the vast majority of the nutter collective in here who devote most of their energy to abusing me and others they disagree with or insisting we’re “plants”, I’m not a snivelling anonymous online coward.
Promoting grandiose and fanciful conspiracy theories is much more of a threat to this place and more of a turn off to folk participating than my contributions. I’ve seen nothing from you of any note or interest posted here. Given your propensity for tin foil hattery perhaps that’s just as well? We have enough of those already.
Rab Davis
Andy Ellis responds to the crap that is posted , numerous times per day, by the Bonnie Purple Heather Brigade aka the Brigadoon Patriots Historical Society for the Conspiracy Theorists.
You may not agree with what he writes, that is your choice, but when he consistently shoots down some of the ‘dafter stuff’ we see on here he is actually trying to keep the nutters at bay. People like you, for instance! I have yet to see a meaningful, informative, positive post from your goodself! Why is that? Are you a plant?
More power to his pen!
@Ottomanboi 9.30 am
I’m not. I agree that currently the people of Yorkshire don’t identify as a people or see their future as an independent state, but many of the arguments you’re using could be and indeed were made about many countries that are now independent. Any people that comes to believe independence is the best way to achieve its collective ambitions deserves the right to self determination. In future of the good folk of Yorkshire were to decide that’s what they wanted, who are you or I to tell them otherwise?
What applies to Scotland, Catalonia and Quebec applies equally to Yorkshire, Bavaria, Kurdistan, California, Xinjiang, or anywhere else where the majority want it. It doesn’t mean it will happen, but surely no true democrat and certainly no real nationalist, could really argue otherwise?
I agree that federalism is a dead duck in the English and/or UK contexts. Outside Yorkshire and the NE most English regions don’t give a toss about it, and would see it as just another level of government. That isn’t to say it couldn’t work, or that it might not provide better outcomes for areas that might seek it in future. If true federalism had been on offer to Scotland by unionists things might be different, but as you say it’s not a sincere offer. The Vow was always a lie, because the British nationalists want to preserve a unitary, centralised state.
To that extent, the Scottish unionists who warned that devolution was a slippery slope to the ultimate destination of independence were correct. Not that you’d know it at present given the lack of progress from the SNP of course.
Rab Davis, there is more than one – and folk keep throwing them buns.
Rab Davis says:
29 August, 2022 at 9:19 am
Re: Andy Ellis.
I go away,,,and come back,,, to the same name dominating the comments.
That old saying about “don’t feed the Trolls” seems to be getting totally ignored on Wings.
The guy Ellis is the best fed Troll on the internet,,,all thanks to a complient few who just can’t stop feeding him.
Trust me,,,the guy is a bigger plant than Nicola Sturgeon.
Please guys, Wings is known throughout the Yes movement for being at the forefront of not being taken in by chancers,,,,yet,,, for some strange reason the guy Ellis seems to have hooked a few of you Into playing his game of “Ellis knows best”.
Don’t feed this plant.
His job is to turn punters off from contributing to Wings,,,and so far he is achieving his objective.
And yet here you are, doing the very thing you are telling everyone else not to do.
Anyone with the remotest suspicions would find themselves doubting the veracity of your concerns, and that you’re actually attempting to stir the pot and get a reaction out of the person you are calling a “troll”.
How unoriginal.
How very much like that other regular oxygen thief, who spends day after tortuous day on here desperately seeking “bites”, forever posting her daily shrieks of “Pweeeze Miss! Andy was bad, and people who are bad get sent to Mr Badger! Pweeze Miss, PWEEEEEEEEEZE, HE WAS BAD AND USED THE C WORD IT WASN’T ME MISS, PWEEEZE!” like the twins in those awful Jonny Briggs books read on Jackanory (Joan Eadington – the proof not all the authors of your childhood were better than today’s …)
If Andy’s a plant, he’ll still be higher up the food chain than whatever you and your ilk are.
Dorothy Devine. 9.59
“…there is more than one – and folk keep throwing them buns.”
I suppose we are going through a”rudderless” period Dorothy.
This might account for the odd bun or two getting thrown at a Troll,,,,but the guy Ellis is something else.
And I say shame on those who feed him on a daily basis.
Wakey wakey,,,the guy is a plant, as are others.
Don’t let Ellis and Co influence the direction the debate goes in.
Because from what I can see,,,Wings is reduced to about a dozen punters discussing what Ellis has set up for the days agenda.
Ottomanboi @9.30am
Yes exactly. There is profound misunderstanding here. ‘England is their nation’ is the key statement and this is true across the whole of England. The only exception might be Cornwall but even there, any breakaway tendency is fairly small. Even those who feel disenfranchised / alienated from ‘being’ English (e.g. immigrants and their descendants) do not envisage an alternative nation as they are dispersed across England. In their case the British designation is of course very important. Gradually, the idea of the English being a multi-ethnic designation is growing. Confused asked how the multi-ethnic thing ‘is going’ in England. All-in-all? Reasonably well.
There is much talk here about English nationalism as if it is a major thing. Maybe it is in a subconscious way (though I would dispute that personally) but there is no overt, dominating English nationalism or regional ‘nationalism’ abroad in the country. The is is a nationalist blog and fairly hard line one, and it has the obvious ‘enemy’ of England from which it wants to be free. There is no equivalent in England. The EU provided something vaguely similar and we did see a rise in English nationalism then and it is certainly there (and some of it is really nasty) but it is mostly sublimated.
There is much talk here of civic v. ethnic nationalism but it is worth bearing in mind that in England anyway, most people would not regard themselves as nationalists at all. That is different to patriotism. I wonder what the real situation is in Scotland on that. I am mot a nationalist of any sort and never will be, so the distinction is irrelevant. I am mildly patriotic and that’s about it.
Adverse reactions?
Want to see a list?
Here ye go…
https://twitter.com/Nohj60536387/status/1563944437096513541
Andy Ellis says:
29 August, 2022 at 7:51 am
@Alf Baird 11.19 pm
Show us your evidence and the statement from the UN which supports your statement.
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He can’t and he won’t. He’ll just quote some nebulous garbage about colonisation and add in a few “jings, crivens and help ma boab” Scots ‘language’ crap.
Andy Ellis 28/8/2022 4.16 pm
” It’s not lying to point out the obvious fact that by the later medieval period the Anglic language which became Scots had become dominant in much of central Scotland, Fife and parts of the east coast.”
Could you prove this please? This paragraph i highlighted of yours is full of vague insinuations and incorrect terminology.
Trying to define areas and invisible linguistic lines across scotland gives the incorrect impression. There were areas north of the forth clyde that spoke non celtic languages long before areas to the south. You need to think of lingusitic history of scotland as historians like geoffrey barrow hinted , more along the lines of small merchant burghs of various non celtic languages , with populations of hundreds surrounded in a sea of gaidhlig rather than nice neat county lines delineating language zones.
Whatever small amount of anglian speakers there was in history in the lothians , they didnt spread their language across scotland unless you can provide clear evidence of that fact. The anglian language , like gaidhlig , pictish and all the rest was swept aside by the new norman french hybrid language.
Lets just reclarify Andy. The anglo saxons of northumbria didnt speak either scots or middle english , they spoke old anglian and danish.
The last native gaidhlig speakers only died out in the central belt around the mid to late twentieth century. Fife remained gaelic speaking in the 18th century , indeed we have records of fife woman sending their gaelic speaking children to learn english so they could find employment in Edinburgh.
Don pedro de ayala , the spanish ambassador to the court of james the fourth , wrote in the early 16th century that the language of the scottish is the same as the irish …..gaidhlig , but many scots speak english extremely well as a result of the intercourse they have along the border through war and trade.
“Projecting modern concerns with the status of the Scots language today, or contemporary debates about unionism versus nationalism with events of a millennium or more ago is pretty facile.”
Possibly , but there are no doubts the great heroes of scottish history , wether wallace , bruce , king Bridei etc were all celtic language speakers , not scots or english speakers , and when the scottish nation lost its gaidhlig language and replced it with a dialect of middle english , history shows us we knew nothing but ruin and defeat , and then annexation.
“Sadly for many nativists in here however, what history does show is that Scotland / Alba was always multinational.”
Wow. You really are dragging up all the old tropes here arent you andy?
I cant think of any country past or present , certainly not in europe anyway , where there hasnt been a mutlitude of languages being spoken within its boundaries. For example , england historically had cumbric , cornish , welsh , gaidhlig , norman french , latin ,anglo saxon , danish and many more including modern languages like hindi or chinese , being spoken within its boundaries . Why is then scotland classed as multi national , multi linguistic , but not england or anywhere else?
As ever , its to bury history and belittle our native languages as merely one of many while shoving english down our throats.
Non-Covid excess deaths in Scotland are 11% above average right now, and have been above average for over 6 months. Deaths are across all age groups.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wLu98NygrA&t=29s
Note that there was an expectation that excess deaths would go down this year since a lot of older people, who would normally have died this year, died prematurely during the pandemic.
There are growing calls for investigations, conducted nationally and internationally.
It is hard to imagine it would take more than a few weeks to scientifically establish causation and a lot of work has already been done; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUDqqz-qXvQ
International comparisons with vaccinated and non-vaccinated populations should go a long way towards taking us to a definitive answer.
The sort of heart conditions that are on the rise, myocarditis, pericarditis, etc, are normally very unusual, particularly in children and younger people.
The vaccine program needs to be put on hold immediately until this has been thoroughly and transparently investigated. ScotGov has a duty of care and responsibility.
SOUTHERNBYSTANDER 10:20
Indeed, the English know they are a nation, a Yorkshireman will play cricket for his county and country with equal pride. They do not require the «nationalism», however defined, that the smaller «stateless» entities may need for survival.
Whether, were the unitary state of UKGB&NI to implode, they might have such a need is open to conjecture.
I notice that in current usage British is employed as a suffix. eg Black British, Muslim British, Indian British etc. for ethnicities living in England, not Black English etc.
In Scotland the usage seems rare. Maybe there as a higher degree of assimilation.
@RobRoy (12.21) –
Thanks for those links, haven’t seen John Campbell before.
😉
@thomas 12.14 pm
Could you prove this please? This paragraph i highlighted of yours is full of vague insinuations and incorrect terminology.
No, I can’t prove it. Can you prove the opposite? It’s not my area of expertise, but if you’re a subject matter expert and want to educate me in the minutiae of correct terminology go right ahead. I find the subject interesting, but I’m no linguist or expert in the field, nor have I ever claimed to be so, I’m going by information I can find, as I suspect many non-experts would do: if I’ve made errors and you can help correct them go right ahead.
Whatever small amount of anglian speakers there was in history in the lothians , they didnt spread their language across scotland unless you can provide clear evidence of that fact.
Why should I be held to a higher standard than you? Where’s your proof that they didn’t?
The Wikipedia entry on the History of Scottish Gaelic says the following:
By the 10th century, Gaelic had become the dominant language throughout northern and western Scotland, the Gaelo-Pictic Kingdom of Alba. Its spread to southern Scotland was less even and less complete. Place name analysis suggests dense usage of Gaelic in Galloway and adjoining areas to the north and west, as well as in West Lothian and parts of western Midlothian. Less dense usage is suggested for north Ayrshire, Renfrewshire, the Clyde Valley and eastern Dumfriesshire. This latter region is roughly the area of the old Kingdom of Strathclyde, which was annexed by the Kingdom of Alba in the early 11th century, but its inhabitants may have continued to speak Cumbric as late as the 12th century. In south-eastern Scotland, there is no evidence that Gaelic was ever widely spoken: the area shifted from Cumbric to Old English during its long incorporation into the Anglo-Saxon Kingdom of Northumbria. After the Lothians were conquered by Malcolm II at the Battle of Carham in 1018, the elites spoke Gaelic and continued to do so until about 1200. However commoners retained Old English.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Scottish_Gaelic#:~:text=What%20Gaelic%20remained%20in%20the,1650%2C%20and%20Galloway%20by%201700.
Perhaps you agree with that summary, perhaps you don’t. If you don’t, take it up with those who put the info together. Doubtless many of them are far more expert in these matters than me, or perhaps you. Even if you are a SME, how do we know your views as authoritative any more than those you may disagree with?
From the same source as above:
That being said, it seems clear that Gaelic had ceased to be the language of Scotland by 1400 at the latest. It disappeared from the central lowlands by c1350 and from the eastern coastal lowlands north of the Mounth not long afterwards. By the mid-1300s English in its Scottish form – what eventually came to be called Scots—emerged as the official language of government and law.[18] Scotland’s emergent nationalism in the era following the conclusion of the Wars of Scottish Independence was organized around and through Scots as well. For example, the nation’s great patriotic literature including John Barbour’s The Brus (1375) and Blind Harry’s The Wallace (bef. 1488) was written in Scots, not Gaelic. It was around this time that the very name of Gaelic began to change. Down through the 14th century, Gaelic was referred to in English as Scottis, i.e. the language of the Scots. By the end of the 15th century, however, the Scottish dialect of Northern English had absorbed that designation. English/Scots speakers referred to Gaelic instead as Yrisch or Erse, i.e. Irish.[19] King James IV (d. 1513) thought Gaelic important enough to learn and speak. However, he was the last Scottish monarch to do so.
You may be right that remnant Gaels survived in Fife in to the 18th century, but others appear to think it had disappeared from Fife by 1600, from eastern Caithness by 1650 and from Galloway by 1700.
You appear intent on picking a fight, or attributing things to me that I didn’t say and don’t believe for some agenda of your own. Whether people find statements of yours like:
when the scottish nation lost its gaidhlig language and replced it with a dialect of middle english , history shows us we knew nothing but ruin and defeat , and then annexation.
convincing or not , I don’t know. It seems a bit, well….overwrought to me. Doubtless there are many factors involved in us being where we are today. I’m not sure all our current or past travails can be laid at the door of middle english replacing Gaelic, or indeed Brittonic or Pictish.
@Christopher Pike 11.50 am
<He can’t and he won’t. He’ll just quote some nebulous garbage about colonisation and add in a few “jings, crivens and help ma boab” Scots ‘language’ crap.
Indeed: it was a rhetorical question in many ways. I’ve made the point before, but never had a satisfactory response. We are simply enjoined to accept the word of those who earnestly believe the “Scotland as colony” narrative that it is therefore self evidently “true” because they say so.
In addition it will help us gain independence via the “cunning plan” route without having to bother with pesky details like demonstrating a majority in support, or gaining international recognition. Apparently the UN and everyone else will agree that we are a colony really, even though we’re not on the non self governing territory list, and there isn’t a shred of evidence of any official (or even off the record!) statement accepting that Scotland is viewed as qualifying as a case of colonial self determination.
Reason and evidence as we have seen is not the nativists strong suit. Doubtless one or more will be along directly regurgitating the demonstrable falsehood that no other country would allow the same franchise. Same shit, different day.
Chas says:
29 August, 2022 at 9:38 am
Rab Davis
Andy Ellis responds to the crap that is posted , numerous times per day, by the Bonnie Purple Heather Brigade aka the Brigadoon Patriots Historical Society for the Conspiracy Theorists.
You may not agree with what he writes, that is your choice, but when he consistently shoots down some of the ‘dafter stuff’ we see on here he is actually trying to keep the nutters at bay. People like you, for instance! I have yet to see a meaningful, informative, positive post from your goodself! Why is that? Are you a plant?
More power to his pen!
Why does he do this Chas?
Has he appointed himself the monitor of Wings?
It is really, really weird. As is this thing you have about making up names and grouping everyone together except yourself, Main, Ellis Boyle and Pike.
Do you have a name for the group you five guys are part of?
The Nutter Detectors & Eliminators?
Were you the main bully at school or just like here one of the bullies little helpers? Just a junior nutter detector.
John Campbell has been a trusted voice for me over the course of the last 2 years, Ian. He was at one time very enthusiastic about the vaccines, as many of us were, until we got to see the data that Pfizer and the FDA attempted to hide from us.
We have a responsibility to focus on issues that are most important in humanitarian and utilitarian terms, and if that means we need to pivot and put things like independence on the backburner for a while then so be it.
RobRoy says:
29 August, 2022 at 1:22 pm
We have a responsibility to focus on issues that are most important in humanitarian and utilitarian terms, and if that means we need to pivot and put things like independence on the backburner for a while then so be it.
Oh dear! When you do pivot and put independence on the backburner would you still be posting on Wings?
@RobRoy (1.22) –
Agreed.
Anyone approaching the whole ‘covid’ issue should remember two principles which are supposed to be sacrosanct for all medical people working at whatever level – ‘do no harm’ and ‘informed consent’.
Both have been flouted to a disgraceful degree.
The Nutter Detector
spots the ‘nutter’ and in order to get rid of the ‘nutter’ he bombards that ‘nutter’ with reams and reams of reams of text from history books and ends with calling that ‘nutter’ all kinds of really abusive names.
The ‘nutter’ being that he hasn’t signed up for an online Open University Course (he just logged into Wings to post a comment) ignores the reams and reams of reams of text from history books but focuses on all the very abusive names posted at the end of the reams. ‘The Nutter’ thinks that ‘Nutter Detector’ is a total cunt and so does everyone else reading the abusive names.
People (the kinder ones) think that is no right how can someone who claims to be a independence supporter be so offensive to fellow independence supporters so they being to look for an answer for his strange behaviour and most come to the conclusion that the ‘Nutter Detector’ is a BritNat troll.
I wonder if ‘The Nutter Detector’ knows that ‘the nutter’ probably has a vote.
There are shit loads of us ‘nutters’ in Scotland probably enough of us to win independence all by ourselves.
Wings Over Scotland
“Wings Over Scotland is a Scottish political website, which focuses particularly on the media – whether mainstream print and broadcast organisations or the online and social-network community – as well as offering its own commentary and analysis.”
Worth remembering everyone when you get bogged down over arguments with regard to covid and any other contentious subject. And where is there any mention of name-calling in any of that? Let`s see if we can all up our game?
Novo Scots do not want to understand that the Scots whom have lived here generation after generation wish to maintain their identity, their culture, their language, their resource, their soil beneath their feet,
It is not about hating English or any other nationality, as the msm and governments wish to instigate for their benefit.
It is about a constant struggle to hold on to their identity before being subsumed politically.
The debate on wether the N,NE of Scotland has remnants of an older language that Doric has made attempts to subsume is a good example of this,
Some here are foolishly of the opinion that Scots,in this part of Scotland spoke Doric all their lives, for generations
From the little evidence provided in a short period of time by many commenters here, of the old words that are still spoken and used by themselves, family and co- workers today, are not “ye olde rustic english”
This attempt to subsume an old Scots language by Some academics stating Doric is a British language, eventually falsely leading to the belief that we are all of the same background, identity, and speak the same root language,
This can be also found in novo Scots wanting their version of Scotland to be as inclusive of accepting them into the fold to be a Generational Scot as is to rustic old english language was inserted into a older Scots language and creating a new version of Scotland and Scots by demand.
It is not about dislike or hate towards anyone down south of the border as propagandarists imply.
It is about hanging on to their Scottish identity, way of life and culture, and not being obliterated or Consumed into a different country.
The opposition comes from Scots being subsumed when Scots are being told you are british, you speak our inforced language, we own your land, we own your politics, we own your resources, we own your culture, we own you.
The natural reaction from any nation would be to tell the british to bugger of, and many Countries have proceeded to do exactly that,
But first the had to fight the overbearing colonising ways of the old british empire, to subsume nations , to be recognised as ethnic to their own country, with their own language and cultures,
Sadly through out history ethnic cultures are often treated appallingly, first the invasions and land grabs, reeducation of the natives, re inventing natives dress codes, ethic cleansing and replacement of natives by the colonising groups.
Scots Do not hate the English, any more than other nations do with any other nation, but they do want to hang onto their identity and not merged with a britishingness and elite of britain like NS does.
There are a few here that still have the mindset of the old colonisers, for no matter the subject or topic they will seldom allow a Scot to be free,.
They feel impelled to be in opposition, impelled to belittle Scots that have not succumbed to their way of thinking, to be in constant disagreement with any topic from the natives of their country,
To degrade and downgrade them to conspiracy theorist, to any sort repeated insults,
This is the colonial buggering of a native in their own Country, to make them feel ashamed to be a native in their own country.
There is however no shame in being a nativist of your own Country, in wanting to retain you’re own culture, you’re original languages, you’re own resources, you’re own land, you’re own Laws,
Do not be misled into feeling ashamed of yourself by a foreign intrusive language.
James che says:
29 August 2022 at 2:04pm
“The opposition comes from Scots being subsumed when Scots are being told you are british.”
55% of Scots chose to be British and polling shows a slightly decreased majority still in favour of the union.
You’re ranting on the wrong website regarding languages. Mr Campbell shares the same opinion as myself on Gaelic etc. He’s a realist.
Right I’m ignoring the ‘Ellismania’ and getting back to the Gaelic lessons. Still haven’t got the translation of ‘Wee Donald Sugar’ yet Google doesn’t do phonetic spelling of Gaelic words. Tut! and it calls itself a search engine.
We’ll go back to the word for wee today. Gaelic for wee is beag which is pronounced beck/buck or something like that. Anyway never mind that we’ll just go with beg as in Ardbeg.
Ardbeg is on the Isle of Islay (remember Westering Home see earlier lesson)where they make lots of fine whiskies, Laphroig, Lagavullen, Bunnahabhain, White Horse, Islay Mist, Port Charlotte, Port Askaig, Port Ellen (not 100% sure about the last three but I bet they do)
In my lessons I like to accentuate the positive so in my lesson about Islay the following will get a strike through.
Iain CarmichaelLord RobertsonKevin HagueHowever we will look at the name Iain. Iain is the Gaelic for John or it might be vis-a verse. Whatever it is if you are called Iain you can call yourself John. You can be Iain in the morning and John at night.
Is that a handy tip or what?
So the unionist Labour party at Westminster, and probably by default the branch office in Scotland, is considering banning ever working with the SNP.
This comes a wee bit of a surprise, as the NuSNP, has shown themselves under Sturgeon the betrayers tenure as anything but anti-unionist.
Of course Labour’s Bain Principal (Willie Bain ex-MP) already stated that Labour MPs would not work with their SNP counterparts at Westminster.
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F20828220.labours-snp-ban-plans-show-unionism-partys-core-belief-says-ex-aide-robin-cook%2F
One glance at the above posts regarding colonialism, nativism, indigenous garbage, Gaelic, Scots etc, and you’d have hoards of undecided voters choosing to remain part of the union.
The more I visit this site, the more I’m likely to remain a unionist (and that’s through no fault of Mr Campbell, who remains the only independence supporter who could persuade me to vote “YES”).
christopher pike 2.21 pm
“55% of Scots chose to be British and polling shows a slightly decreased majority still in favour of the union.”
No they didnt. Two thirds of scots at the last census chose scottish as their sole national identity.
62% of scots by your reasoning chose being european in 2016. They cant be both european and british because of englands brexit , so now have to chose which union they want.
A few radio commentators (LBC etc) have heard that once Truss is elected as PM that, there might be another leadership challenge to get Boris Johnson back into Number Ten.
“BORIS Johnson could try to force his way back into office, a former Conservative Cabinet minister has predicted.
Rory Stewart, who ran against Johnson for the Tory leadership in 2019, likened the outgoing Prime Minister to former Italian premier Silvio Berlusconi and ex-US president Donald Trump, who are plotting comebacks.
The former international development minister told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “I’m afraid he has an extraordinary ego and he believes that he was badly treated.”
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F20828671.boris-johnson-will-try-make-comeback-prime-minister%2F
As for Rory Stewart, he’s an MI6 officer who worked out of the FCO, I say this even though he may have, or had another post in government or Westminster, once an MI agent always an MI agent.
It is a colonist mind set that declares for itself that when two signatories to a voluntary treaty is (no longer voluntary) by both halves, but now under the total power of only one of those signatories,
Then…., ” The We are the only people left in the treaty of the union”…. by Westminster attitude and words and we think the Scotlands half no longer exists will be their down fall.
For when a treaty cannot be recognised as jointly between Countries, that automatically leaves Westminsters England acting and holding a treaty with only its self recognised.
This colonial mind set is self consuming paranoia taking to the extremes.
Christopher Pike says:
29 August, 2022 at 2:34 pm
One glance at the above posts regarding colonialism, nativism, indigenous garbage, Gaelic, Scots etc, and you’d have hoards of undecided voters choosing to remain part of the union.
The more I visit this site, the more I’m likely to remain a unionist (and that’s through no fault of Mr Campbell, who remains the only independence supporter who could persuade me to vote “YES”).
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Confirmation bias on your part?
Do you fancy the Rev?
James Che 2.04 pm.
Good post , and well said.
Im sick of being told im a nativist and that nationalism is nasty and bad.
We have been hearing the same guff from the labour party and its lickspittle minions for the last 8 decades that all nationalism is bad , except their british nationalism , which is good.
An irish friend once told me the greatest skill the english elite have isnt the power of their armies or colonisation skills……its the ability to carefully pick out a scot or irishman that is willing to be bought and paid for.
I find it a bit ironic seeing Oor Ruby talking about nutters!
Did you hear the one about an old farmer going for a walk one evening. He spots a man, on his knees, trying to get a drink from a stream.
He rushes up to him and says ‘Whit ur ye daen. Di yi no ken that coo’s pesh and keech in that burn further upstream’? Yill end up catchin the lurgy.
The man says ‘I am a lawyer and work in the City of London. If you wish to address me, please do so in the Queens English.
The farmer says ‘remember to use both hands and be careful not to spill a drop’.
The old ones are the best!
“Let’s start off by losing some more friends. This site has no time for the Gaelic lobby. The obsolete language spoken by just 0.9% of Scotland’s population might be part of the nation’s “cultural heritage”, but so were burning witches and replacing Highlanders with sheep and we don’t do those any more either.
Being multilingual is an excellent thing, but the significant amount of time and effort taken to learn a literally-pointless second language (because everyone you can talk to in Gaelic already understood English) would be vastly better directed to picking up one that was actually of some use, and every extra fraction of a second spent scanning a road sign trying to find the bit you can read is a fraction of a second spent with your eyes off the road.
Non-primary native languages are a tool whose main utility in practice is at best the exclusion of outsiders, and at worst an expression of dodgy blood-and-soil ethnic nationalism. They’re a barrier to communication and an irritation to the vast majority of the population, who are made to feel like uncultured aliens in their own land.”
Stuart Campbell 1st September 2015
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“Over 99% of Scots can’t speak Gaelic and don’t have any interest in doing so, no matter how loudly people shout that there are a couple of Gaelic schools in Glasgow now.
(If anything, most folk are mildly irritated and resentful of being made to feel like either imperialist intruders in their own country or somehow a lesser species of Scots, by being constantly presented with a language that’s supposedly their own but that they can’t even begin to pronounce, let alone understand.)”
Stuart Campbell 29 April 2018
Republicofscotland.
Politics nowadays has no politicians,
It is hard to slide a piece of paper between politicians, actors, and media,
Scott says:
29 August, 2022 at 2:41 pm
Christopher Pike says:
29 August, 2022 at 2:34 pm
One glance at the above posts regarding colonialism, nativism, indigenous garbage, Gaelic, Scots etc, and you’d have hoards of undecided voters choosing to remain part of the union.
The more I visit this site, the more I’m likely to remain a unionist (and that’s through no fault of Mr Campbell, who remains the only independence supporter who could persuade me to vote “YES”).
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Confirmation bias on your part?
Do you fancy the Rev?
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No, just cold facts.
“ROYAL Navy officers at Faslane Naval Base have been inadvertently leaking their personal details and could even be revealing when they are on board nuclear submarines.
The fitness app Strava, which has 95 million users across the globe, allows people to track and publicly record their runs, bike rides and swims.
In 2018, a new feature was introduced which showed the most popular running routes were found to be revealing US army based in the Middle East where soldiers had been recording runs.
Now, defence military personnel at Faslane, northwest of Glasgow – where Britain’s Trident nuclear deterrent is based – are still uploading public data, revealing their names, addresses and the dates when they are at the base, according to a report in The Times.”
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F20827234.officers-faslane-naval-base-inadvertently-leak-sensitive-details-app%2F
We really need to get the English subs and the Great Satan’s (US) nuclear warheads out of Scotland, not only is the above shocking but its just by sheer luck rather than design that a terrible accident hasn’t happened yet at Faslane Naval Base, its common knowledge that the nuclear subs are polluting the waterways with God only knows what, and SEPA are powerless (or compliant) to do anything about it because the MoD supposedly supercedes their authority.
The whistleblower William McNeilly revealed in a a eighteen-page report of just how bad things are with regards to an accident waiting to happen on the English nuclear subs in Scotland.
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk-scotland-32791755
Opposition do not want Scots to hold on to their culture languages or identity,
What a surprise, NOT.
Christopher pike 2.44 pm
….and?
I like stuart campbell. I respect his plain talking , and enjoy his many articles .That doesnt mean i agree with every single thing he believes.
I dont agree with him regarding gaelic.
What is the purpose of your post though? Are you u=suggesting we should all be nodding heads on some jerk circle site without a single original thought of our own and never being in disagreement?
Have you come on here of a labour party site or something? If not , i suggest you jump back over there with the other thoughtless clueless lemmings.
THE Royal Navy aircraft carrier HMS Prince of Wales has broken down off England’s south coast just after embarking for exercises in the US.
“The 65,000-tonne warship left from Portsmouth Naval Base, Hampshire, on Saturday before an “emerging mechanical issue” occurred.
A Royal Navy spokeswoman said: “HMS Prince of Wales remains in the South Coast Exercise Area while conducting investigations into an emerging mechanical issue.”
The vessel’s departure had earlier been delayed from Friday, August 26, because of a technical issue.”
This huge staging post and that’s all its has cost the taxpayer an absolute fortune, and is nothing more than a vanity project, and a supersized target, I wonder if the paper mache fighter jet is still on the runaway.
I recall there was a decommissioned aircraft carrier that was turned into a huge hospital ship, that cruised the seas stopping at ports to carry out surgery etc in Third World countries, where access to medical treatment was difficult to find, or a fair amount of miles had to be trodden on foot to reach it.
No doubt this overpriced English leviathan will cause more harm than good.
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F20829357.uks-biggest-warship-breaks-off-englands-south-coast-leaving-us%2F
Has anyone EVER seen a post from the BPHB, founder members Che and RoS, that could be construed as even remotely positive?
To my mind, people can speak in whatever language they want. However, it would be rather pointless if the person you were trying to speak to did not understand what you were saying. If you want to speak Gaelic, fine by me. I won’t understand what you are saying and I have no desire to even attempt to learn it. You can if you want.
thomas says:
29 August, 2022 at 3:00 pm
Christopher pike 2.44 pm
….and?
I like stuart campbell. I respect his plain talking , and enjoy his many articles .That doesnt mean i agree with every single thing he believes.
I dont agree with him regarding gaelic.
What is the purpose of your post though? Are you u=suggesting we should all be nodding heads on some jerk circle site without a single original thought of our own and never being in disagreement?
Have you come on here of a labour party site or something? If not , i suggest you jump back over there with the other thoughtless clueless lemmings
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Or course, everyone is free to disagree but his views on Gaelic are sound and logical.
I am not a member of any political party, my vote is open to the highest bidder. I haven’t voted in the past few years due to the obsession most parties have with identity politics (sadly Alba have proven themselves to be yet another gynocentric party).
Extremely telling behaviour from a bully when losing is to try gather more under their umbrella, or many higher up, on their side, such as scientists, whom not all agree with each other, or papers and government documents that are often falsified or details omitted or redacted, or funded by government as gospel.
Like the MacCrone report hidden details.
But the insecurity of bullies drives them to gather an army.
Like Stu one of us, he disagree’s with nativist born in Scotland, trying to hang on to your identity,
Rev’ thinks the same as us on everything, he’ lets us speak for him,
We are subtle in hints how Rev Stu should be stay on board with us an our thinking, just to remind him like.
What is it with you lot that act like Rev is some kind of female where you run behind his skirt.
As far as I can gather “he is a man in his own right”
I think you should stop hanging on to apron string and grow up.
It is so weird that people go so bananas about any mention of Gaelic.
Does the same thing happen in Wales?
Latin was taught in schools and I believe it still is.
Well at least it was when Boris was at school. They even have him on TV reciting ‘Achilles Heel’ or some latin stuff like that.
Do these people who go so bananas about any mention of Gaelic do the same with Doric & Scots?
Oh, here we go again the NuSNP “demands” for the umpteenth time, its just the usual finger pointing at Westminster. If the betrayer has dumped this rancid union after Brexit we could’ve planned ahead using all the levers of government that are needed to plan ahead.
However that was not to be, as Sturgeon decided to save the union instead of saving her own people from Brexit. Of course a big benefit for the betrayer on keeping us tied to the union, is that she and her party ministers can finger point and blame the nasty Tories when things go bad, which has happened quite a lot recently.
If the treacherous FM is reading this, and not a Val McDermid book, it is we the people of Scotland who demand that you do somethin about getting us out of this horrendous union.
“THE SNP is demanding the UK Chancellor offer targeted support to help the hospitality sector amid the cost-of-living crisis.
Douglas Chapman, the SNP’s small business spokesperson at Westminster, has written to Nadhim Zahawi to warn that failure to help firms “will result in a decades-long legacy of businesses in ruin”.
Proposed measures include the reintroduction of the 12.5% VAT rate for leisure and hospitality businesses, steps to limit further increases to energy bills, and incentives for workers to fill hospitality positions.”
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F20817151.snp-demand-hospitality-sector-support-package-nadhim-zahawi%2F
christopher pike 3.08pm
“I am not a member of any political party, my vote is open to the highest bidder”
The irish got Michael collins , and we get people like you or third rate politicians like douglas ross.
You might never have heard of him , but once upon a time , a wee scottish guy called rabbie burns wrote a famous poem about scottish folk who were open to the highest bidder.
Its called parcel of rogues .You ahould read it pal , its quite enlightening.
I NAME THIS SHIP, THE STATE OF BRITAIN.
https://archive.ph/lhUDx
Chas says:
29 August, 2022 at 3:06 pm
Has anyone EVER seen a post from the BPHB, founder members Che and RoS, that could be construed as even remotely positive?
Probably not if you are a Unionist. What do you feel about spending money for children to learn history? Is that not a bit of a waste of time & money? What use is it to anyone to know Old Henry had eight wives for example? What about this digging up old bones is that not total waste of time. Not to mention the enormous amount of money spent to preserve old books and house all the old bones in museums.
People are starving and were spending money on keeping old bones & books warm.
You say people can speak any language they like but that is not true is it.
Ruby
You have an uncanny ability to continually go off on a tangent. I suppose it is how your brain works…….or doesn’t!
If you want to learn Gaelic-do it. It will not bother me in the slightest. I have no interest in it whatsoever. Each to their own.
Not sure how ‘history’ enters the frame but, as I said, it is how your brain works………..or doesn’t.
Are your old bones warm?
thomas says:
29 August, 2022 at 3:20 pm
once upon a time , a wee scottish guy called rabbie burns wrote a famous poem about scottish folk who were open to the highest bidder.
Its called parcel of rogues .You ahould read it pal , its quite enlightening.
Ach Thomas “Over 99% of Scots can’t understand Burns and don’t have any interest in doing so
‘Fair fa’ your honest, sonsie face,
Great Chieftain o’ the Puddin-race!
Aboon them a’ ye tak your place,
Painch, tripe, or thairm:
Weel are ye wordy of a grace
As lang ‘s my arm.’
WTAF Who can understand that?
Get these Burns books on the bonfire pdq!
Chas & Pike will be there with the accelerant & matches.
‘We assume that the goal of any attempt to change behaviour is to create an enduring change – indeed, one that becomes self-sustaining – although policy-makers may also reckon that compliance is better than nothing. We suggest that enduring change can be achieved through „trigger? effects, „self-sustaining? effects, and cultural change. We explain each of these below…’ (p.74)
That’s from a Cabinet Office/Institute for Government document called MINDSPACE
It was mentioned in today’s edition of UK Column.
It was referred to in the context of ‘covid’ but is of obvious relevance to anyone who experienced the Fear/Uncertainty/Doubt campaign launched against the Scottish people by the British state from 2011-2014.
(One of the authors is Sir Gus O’Donnell – remember him?)
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/MINDSPACE.pdf
re. all-cause mortality public health disaster…
UK Health Security Agency: Official Statistics:
Weekly all-cause mortality surveillance (week 33 report, up to week 29 data)(Updated 25 August 2022):
Table 2: Excess mortality by UK country, for all ages:
Excess detected in week 29 2022? Weeks with excess in 2021 to 2022:
England: Yes:
40 to 2, 13 to 15, 17 to 18, 23 to 29:
Wales: Yes:
40, 42 to 43, 45, 15, 29:
Northern Ireland: Yes:
43 to 44, 46 to 50, 52, 14, 24, 29:
Scotland: Yes:
40 to 41, 45, 47 to 49, 52, 2, 29:
“Excess mortality is defined as a significant number of deaths reported over that expected for a given point in the year…”:
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/weekly-all-cause-mortality-surveillance-2022-to-2023/weekly-all-cause-mortality-surveillance-week-33-report-up-to-week-29-data
Scottish Unity Edinburgh Group: Analysis of Scotland’s weekly mortality statistics:
https://scottishunityedinburgh.substack.com/p/scotland-mortality-2022-week-33
Ruby,
3:28 pm.
Excellent comparisons.
Thomas.
It does make you wonder which political affiliation they would choose if they were not bought and payed for by the government at all, wether Scottish, Irish, welsh or English.
If there was no pay for being a politician, where would fall?
Gregor,
That just nails it. And many thanks for providing a link to this government department policy MINDSPACE.
For everyone to gain a idea on how the government is attempting to control people psychologically with tax payers money. Or from funding from tech and corporations out with their remit,
One could presume this is akin to stonewall in its ability and attempts to change society.
Ian brotherhood.
my apologies to you,
That was meant to have your name at the top, an no offence meant to Gregor.
Ottomanboi says:
29 August, 2022 at 3:24 pm
I NAME THIS SHIP, THE STATE OF BRITAIN.
https://archive.ph/lhUDx
Since we are doing different languages why not a bit of Cockney. Cockney accent required.
It’s a right two & eight mate innit?
@James che –
No worries. Glad you found it of interest.
😉
Dorothy Devine says:
29 August, 2022 at 9:59 am
Rab Davis, there is more than one – and folk keep throwing them buns.
Right, for your benefit, greetin’ face, let’s have an actual look at who is ACTUALLY flooding the board with posts, shall we? See how much your moans stand up to scrutiny.
Let’s take the last five hundred posts (bar this one) on this thread: from my one at the top of this page to Ruby’s latest, comment-2702856 at 29th August 6.06pm.
Here’s what comes from those five hundred posts:
Ruby 89 (18% of all posts made)
Andy Ellis 69 (14%)
RepublicofScotland 57 (11%)
James Che 42
These four account for over 52% of all the posts made, and three of those spend a disproportionate amount of time disagreeing with Andy or accusing him of being a BritNat plant, MI5 Plant, Martin Plant, Jewson Plant, etc.
200 posts for the Shortbread Shitposts triumpherate to Ellis’ 69. Getting a sense of proportion yet?
As for the rest, for the record:
Mark Boyle (ie. me!) 24, Ian Brotherhood 21, RobRoy 20, John Main 19, Breeks 15, Scott 13 (who only troll posts for “bites” anyway), George Ferguson 12, Ottomanboi 11, Alf Baird 10, Dorothy Devine (ie. you!) 8, Thomas 7 …
plus:
…Stuart McTavish, Chas, Dan and Christopher Pike – 6 each
…”Gareth” aka Grouse Beater, Sarah and Southernbystander – 5 each
…Brian Doonthetoon, Confused and James 4
…Gregor 3, Robert Hughes, Robbo (hmmm …), Effigy 3 (one as “Effijy”) – all 3.
…Stuart MacKay, Fionan, Sarah Mackenzie, Jeremy, Rab Davis – all 2
…Tinto Chiel, Doug, Saffron Robe, Tommo, Stoker, David Ferguson, Scotsrenewables and David Ritchie – 1 each.
It seems to me all you wish (and others …) is an echochamber regurgitating the Haggis and Heather and Bonnie Morag Roamin’ In The Gloamin’ type of Scottish nationalism, no matter how many times the owner of this website has given it short shrift (hardly surprising when he’s living in Bath), and become aggressive to anyone like Andy spoiling your day with a contrary viewpoint backed up with references.
And you see yourselves as proffering the people the alternative vanguard to Sellout Sturgeon and her troughers? Dream on!
The Covenanters got gubbed by Cromwell because they were so obsessed with expelling anyone who didn’t believe in “Sound Doctrine” that pretty soon they’d not enough left to fight for them and the rest of Scotland despised them more than the English.
Take a hint.
@Boyle
Are you and Ellis an item, or is it just a casual thing you have going?
Mark Boyle
Spot on.
I wonder if you will get any response from the BPHB!
If you do, I can almost guarantee that it will be couched in negativity. No solutions, no suggestions on the way forward. Everything is so unfair to them yet nothing is ever offered for change. Mon, moan, moan is all we get.
Mark Boyle
Magisterial stuff mate: as expected it took no time at all for the low life scum to bite. Homophobic as well as nativism. Folk like him just can’t help themselves huh? Definitely a wee want about yon bloke.