Fire Water Burn
Robert Burns was well known for liking a wee dram. He grew up in the aftermath of the failed rising of 1745, living through the harsh and brutal consequences inflicted on Scotland by the Act of Proscription.
In “Earnest Cry and Prayer” the Bard was responding to the UK Parliament’s Scotch Distillery Act of 1786, a protectionist act aimed at supporting London’s gin industry by hiking duties on whisky sold in England and by taxing Scottish still capacity. It was a call for action to Scotland’s 45 members of Parliament from a man who understood the destructive power of such acts.
He asked which Scot would not feel his blood boil at seeing the resources of the nation’s stills destroyed and its wealth plundered, roaring to the MPs:
“God bless your Honors! can ye see’t,
The kind, auld, cantie carlin greet,
An’ no get warmly to your feet,
An’ gar them hear it,
An’ tell them wi’ a patriot-heat,
Ye winna bear it?”
As the UK Parliament is set to return from its summer holiday it is hard not to see continued parallels over the ages and again today.
Then it was whisky, for decades it was black gold and now it’s our renewable fortune. And as fate would have it, nearly 300 years later, as Westminster continues to seize our resources for the benefit of the City, still we have a feeble 45 willing to bear it.
Before she set off on her own summer tour of the Edinburgh Fringe and Book Festivals, the announcement by the First Minister of her route map to indyref 2 briefly injected much fire into the bellies of the independence movement.
(As someone that was treated as a pariah, even booed by SNP conference delegates, for attempting to make policy much of what Nicola Sturgeon has now adopted as her grand strategy, I did allow myself a wry smile.)
But as the cool heads in the independence stepped back to think about what was announced, it became quickly clear that this was not the masterstroke that many who previously treated a Plan B with a gush of fury and vitriol thought it was. Nor, for one very important reason, was it the same plan previously advocated for.
Back in 2019 we knew the path before us: there would be a General Election within a matter of months and there would be a Holyrood election in 2021. Senior figures such as Ian Blackford warned that a Plan B wasn’t needed as victory at a UK election would blow away any opposition Boris Johnson had to a “Gold Standard” referendum.
Some of us pointed out that if Johnson’s Government wasn’t willing to accept a triple mandate that the Scottish Government already had then a fourth and a fifth mandate would make no difference, and so it turned out.
For Plan B to work we needed the First Minister to issue the Prime Minister the rules of the game we would play – firstly that a General Election victory back in 2019 would be the final mandate for a referendum that would be sought, and that if Westminster persisted to refuse then the Scottish Government would proceed with its own vote.
If the UK Government used courtrooms to stop the people having their say then they would make their voices heard at the ballot box by turning the 2021 election into a de facto referendum on independence.
This required nuance. It required a concerted campaign at each step of the way to build up popular support in Scotland to ensure that each stage on this journey secured the required international recognition, thanks to the popular legitimacy forged in the process by the people.
On paper, the Plan B announced by Nicola Sturgeon still wants a referendum by agreement with the UK Government through the granting of a Section 30 order. But by virtue of the imprudence of referring the matter directly to the UK Supreme Court, Boris Johnson was allowed to spend the summer on a beach rather than being forced to answer the question as to why the people of Scotland are denied their right to self-determination in this supposed union of equals.
And so the weakest Prime Minister in history got to step down this week as Prime Minister having easily resisted the Scottish Government’s half-hearted attempts to respect successive mandates for an independence referendum.
As for the Supreme Court, is there a single member of the Scottish Government that believes that the London justices will side with them? The same court eviscerated the Scottish Government on the matter of the UN Charter On The Rights Of The Child, and that was an issue that every single member of the Scottish Parliament voted for.
By the manner in which the Lord Advocate has asked the question on competency, you could be excused for thinking she was asking them a rhetorical question. Dorothy Bain is a highly competent, experienced lawyer, but why the First Minister would appoint a Lord Advocate who doesn’t have confidence in the right of the Scottish Parliament to assert its own sovereignty is a question only Nicola Sturgeon can answer.
The Supreme Court may simply use the Scottish Government’s own arguments against them from the Keatings case at the Court Of Session. The Lord Advocate argued then that it would be premature to make a decision as no bill had been put forward to the Scottish Parliament. What’s different now? The Supreme Court may simply dismiss the case as premature and send the Scottish Government home to think again.
This would of course cause an almighty problem for the Scottish Government as the Lord Advocate has all but engraved in tablet that she doesn’t think the Scottish Parliament has the competence to hold an indyref.
If this eventuality prevails then the Scottish Government best get on with the job of separating the job Lord Advocate as both head of Crown Office and the Government’s Chief Legal Officer. Keeping the current incumbent in the former and appointing an individual willing to advocate the position of Scottish Ministers to the latter might be a good starting point.
However, all of this will be academic if the Supreme Court do what many expect it will relish to do – put the Scottish Government back in the box where the London establishment believes it belongs.
How different things could have been if the Scottish Government pursued its mandate(s) with democratic determination. The argument that the Scottish Parliament has the competence to hold a referendum on independence is much stronger if it’s sent to the Supreme Court by UK law officers after the people’s parliament of Scotland had decreed that there should be such a referendum.
It’s certainly a much stronger position to stand on than asking the Supreme Court, yourself, to get you out of a political fix.
And so, as opposed to having a strategic plan to bring the country with us, increasing support each step of the way as Scotland is denied its right to self-determination by London governments and institutions we didn’t vote for and who don’t have Scotland’s interests at heart, the plan to hold a referendum will be over by Christmas.
At this stage in my original “Plan B” I proposed that a pro-independence majority of seats in an election would act as the mandate Scotland needed to enter straight into independence negotiations with the UK Government.
This of course should’ve been a Scottish Parliament election. Why? Because it’s our franchise. To exclude 16- and 17-year-olds, as well as hundreds of thousands of new Scots from a de facto Referendum is an act of folly that stacks the odds against us.
On the back of a resourced campaign to get to that stage, that built a broad majority coalition in favour of the legitimacy of that approach, team Scotland could have marched to Downing Street to demand the UK Government come to the table.
But that’s not what Nicola Sturgeon has proposed. At first Angus Robertson refused to answer the question of what the success line in a de facto indyref would be, and then John Swinney was briefed against by special advisors that he had given the wrong answer when he said that a majority of seats would be the benchmark.
(And who could blame the Deputy First Minister? He was simply stating SNP policy pre-2000 and I am quite sure there hasn’t been a debate to say otherwise.)
The First Minister says that an SNP majority of votes would be required. But that requires the opposition to play along with the idea that the election is a proxy referendum. In general elections people take issues such as the cost of living, the state of public services, and their general dislike of the government into account. Many people will vote according to their own priority issues, such as the SNP’s hugely unpopular plans for gender reform.
So demanding that the only way to exercise your support for Scottish independence is by voting for a single political party, warts and all, is doomed for failure. Nobody demanded that Boris Johnson required a majority of votes to take Scotland out of the EU, it was deemed democratic for him to do so with a majority of seats.
If this is to be the way forward then it can only be a success if the ballot paper is free from the drawbacks and tribalism of party politics and instead takes the form of a united front, with a single candidate in every seat who stands for independence.
It is welcome that the SNP state they will have a debate on this policy at their conference next month. But it’s time for senior figures in the party and across the movement to speak up.
If they don’t, by the stroke of a pen, the First Minister will have undone the agreement of two decades ago made between Alex Salmond and Donald Dewar, that the Scottish Parliament had the right to hold a referendum if that’s what the people wanted.
We are now subjects of yet another Tory Prime Minister that we haven’t voted for. It’s long past time for the Scottish Government to start getting serious in its efforts to bend Westminster to the will of Scotland, as it failed to do during the chaotic reigns of Theresa May and Boris Johnson.
Dozens of pro-independence MPs have the capability of wreaking regular havoc and embarrassment on the UK government through Parliamentary interventions. Instead of urging MPs to treat the House Of Commons with respect, they should be compelled to treat the Westminster establishment with the same respect that it treats Scotland.
Britain has few friends in the world. There has never been a better time to reach out to the world to make the case for Scottish independence whilst highlighting that the UK Government – who are willing to send arms elsewhere in the world to defend democracy – are suppressing the right of Scotland to determine its own future.
All of this is in the backdrop of hard pressed Scots asking themselves why they are being forced into destitution by soaring energy costs when we live in a land of energy plenty that is self-sufficient in gas and generates enough electricity through renewables to power every home in Scotland.
With motivated leadership, people are ready to follow a mass movement of popular protest and demonstration, led by example in the Commons. It remains to be seen whether they’re given the opportunity.
Dan says:
13 September, 2022 at 2:03 pm
You’ve mis-attributed that quote to me with your formatting fail! It was MB who stated it.
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I deleted reference to original author, hoping the central topic of lightbulbs would be illumanaltied.
I at no time tried to associate you with Biscuity Boyle.
Not guilty is my solemn plea.
Here is my protest re the BBC
So the old the Old English parliament made a decision not to allow the Sovereign Scots to have a vote on joining the treaty of the union,
So who joined the treaty of the union in 1706/ 1707.
The members of the old Scottish parliament entered into a treaty of union with Englanglands parliament.
They are captured,
but the Sovereign Scots that the Scottish parliament had passed the Claim of Right for eight years earlier in 1689.
No, they are not in the treaty of union.
There is a treaty of union between the Old Scottish parliament and the Old English parliament.
The Old Scottish parliament is now been defunct since 1707, to make way for the British parliament.
How could the British parliament sue the Old Scottish defunct obsolete Parliament for Breaking the Treaty of the union.
The British Parliament can no longer sue a Scottish parliament they made defunct and obsolete in Scotland in 1707, for breaking the Treaty of union.
The Devolved Scottish parliament is under British westminster legislation for its existence, they would be sueing themselves for breaking the treaty of the union,
To summerise my musings.
The Old Scottish parliament roughly 8 years before signing the Scottish parliament to a union with Englands parliament had released the Scots OFFICIALLY to be Sovereign Scots in Scotland.
The Old English parliament OFFICIALLY decided not to ask the Sovereign Scots to vote to join the treaty of the union,
The parliaments of both England and Scotland joined in a union,
Then the English Parliament and the Scottish closed their parliament doors in their respective Kingdoms. To create the British parliament.
The British parliament can no longer sue the old Scottish parliament for breaching the Treaty of the union.
The Scottish devolved parliament is British in legal form.
Who and how can any British government hold Sovereign Scots with a prior “Claim of Right “to account,
Certainly not through a obsolete Scottish parliament,
Certainly not through Scots signing into a treaty of union.
Certainly not through a british devolved government in Scotland.
I was so looking forward to Sunday and meeting up with some weel kent faces! Yours being one of them Ian B!
@Dorothy Devine –
Tbh, I wasn’t even going to attend. For me the balloon burst a long time ago.
It would be great to meet again but I’ve given up on the HOF/AUOB gatherings. There’s just too much division and rancour now and we all know who’s to blame. If memory serves, the last time we had a decent Dow’s social was the day Sturgeon hijacked the George Sq gathering and there was argument in the pub – between Wingers – about her presence before we’d even shifted upstairs.
I can only envisage meeting again if it’s private and strictly between folk who know where each other stands on characters like Sturgeon, Blackford, WGD etc. I can’t bear being in the company of folk who give those tractors any credence or ‘benefit of the doubt’. Giving them any leeway does no one any favours and just keeps them in public life longer than they deserve.
Maybe it sounds melodramatic or paranoid but I’m ultra-wary of trusting anyone now. The security services will have had us all on their radar way back in 2012/13, as soon as we started using this place. They were bold enough to send folk to have a go at us at The Counting House in April 2014 and there’s no doubt they’ve had people posting here for years, some of whom will surely be good enough to pass as ‘genuine’.
Am I one of them? Who can tell?
In any case, here’s hoping we can and will have another social sometime, even if it’s just to reminisce. If I’d known back then what our hopeful and joyous movement was heading for I’d have made sure to enjoy myself a lot more and not always bolted for that last train home!
😉
Does anyone actually read the constant barrage of shite that Che constantly posts?
Do you think it makes him/her/it feel important and knowledgable, when in reality, it makes him/her/it the exact opposite.
@Chas 3.45 pm
From the content I hae ma doots James Che reads them, or would be able to tell us what was meant by them in the unlikely event anyone else went back and tried to decipher them at some later date.
Truly the Spameron Brodie de nos jours.
Hatuey
Selective history.
Or art,
It appears that some agree with you after all, selective history as art it is then.
Nothing I wrote is a lie unless all the historians are fake, and academia has false foundations.
As I recall those that cannot prove their point or disprove anothers point with intelligent debate, often return to insults when intelligence fails them.
As Also remember the attempts at bluster and insults the last time.
Which displayed no intellect in anwer.
The question will be asked a fourth time,
What date were the sovereign Scots asked to join the treaty of the union?
Even although a link was given I expect insults and bluster in response if they have no specifics in month or year.
I doubt there is no information forthcoming because there is none.
Here is a second question which I will ask of you,
How can the British parliament sue a non existent 1707 Scottish government for breaking the treaty of the union now.
Hatuey says:
13 September, 2022 at 9:41 am
Pipe down, Andy,
That’s all a bit philosophical, but I think ordinary people who stumble in here and read the sort of things you type would go away feeling quite shitty and disappointed.
Well done Hatuey for spotting this. I thought I was the only one who noticed.
Chas says:
13 September, 2022 at 3:45 pm
Does anyone actually read the constant barrage of shite that Che constantly posts?
Do you think it makes him/her/it feel important and knowledgable, when in reality, it makes him/her/it the exact opposite.
If as you suggest nobody is reading James Che’s post then why are you getting your knickers in such a twist about her posts?
If you are not happy with what someone posts you can contact Stu and tell him.
Scott says: at 2:20 pm
“I deleted reference to original author, hoping the central topic of lightbulbs would be illumanaltied.
Not guilty is my solemn plea.”
On the latter, your not guilty plea is formally accepted, but I had to make the correction so your quoted text didn’t give the appearance that I’m some kind of moonhowling academic roaster that pontificates a great deal about stuff, but doesn’t have a scooby doo about the basic fundamentals of oor existence such as Ohm’s Law and the conservation of energy.
On the former, well the whole low electricity consumption “eco friendly” light bulb thang could just be a nifty ploy being punted by the oil and gas industry.
Referring back to the conservation of energy principles, some of the “inefficiency” of tungsten filament light bulbs is that for a given emitted brightness, they also generated a lot of heat.
That “wasted” heat actually helped heat the room, so if you switch to low leccy power consuming LED bulbs, you lose the “wasted” heat effect, and thus require to generate the missing heat to keep you warm through burning the oil or gas heating.
It’s a cunning plan, and they would have got away with it too if it weren’t for pesky kids like me.
Andy Ellis says:
13 September, 2022 at 3:55 pm
@Chas 3.45 pm
From the content I hae ma doots James Che reads them, or would be able to tell us what was meant by them in the unlikely event anyone else went back and tried to decipher them at some later date.
Truly the Spameron Brodie de nos jours.
Why don’t you contact Stu and tell him how unhappy you are with James Che’s posts?
Please do let us know what he says.
If you or anyone in your family (or friends or neighbours, or perhaps your business/work) has been affected adversely by the ‘vaccine’, there’s still time to get involved in the official inquiry by the Scottish Government. I wasn’t even aware of it until I saw this tweet (and that alone speaks volumes – has anyone else here ever heard of it?)
Anyway, the link contains contact details for the inquiry – the tweeter himself has been badly affected and is very active in trying to raise awareness so he’ll know folk who can help.
I suspect the registration for anyone wanting to submit evidence is very soon, possibly later this week, so best to move quickly. Even if you’re not directly involved, please help raise awareness of this. Thanks.
link to twitter.com
It’s very unpleasant watching someone being bullied.
What is the matter with these guys?
I’m definitely getting a ‘domestic abuser’ vibe from all four of them.
It’s a fake inquiry, Ian. I’ve explained why I say that on here before. And if you go to the inquiry website and look at scope/interpretation of Terms of Reference, you’ll find the following;
“the inquiry can consider only “Scottish matters” as defined in section 28(5) of the Inquiries Act 2005”
“the inquiry respects the independent role of the Lord Advocate in relation to the prosecution of crime and the investigation of deaths in Scotland”
link to covid19inquiry.scot
The defined role of the Lord Advocate essentially guarantees nothing will reflect too badly on ScotGov — and as we all know, the Lord Advocate is ScotGov.
Limiting the scope to Scottish matters is quite an affront when you consider that they chose to be in lockstep with the UK government, and most of the big and controversial decisions such as pursuing the ‘herd immunity’ strategy were taken at that UK level.
@Hatuey (5.46) –
I haven’t much information on it all so you may well be right. But if it has been set up to fail we can at least hope that some participants push them hard for answers.
The lad who sent the tweet seems genuine, as does his appeal. I’m hoping that people will respond to him rather than any cynical government ‘invitations’.
link to tinyurl.com
Very well done to David Davies for writing this letter.
David Davies seems to be one of the good guys.
Ruby,
Once again I am beholden to to for pointing out the repeated abuse from a certain section on here not just to myself but many others as well, thank you,
Sooner or later I will along with many others here may start reporting the abuse.
Sticks and stones on a rare occassion, fair enough.
Repeated abuse is just that, Abuse.
Still though they have not been able to answer a few simple questions that they purport to be wrong.
Hatuey,
A question arises why the Scottish lord Advocate is working within a British devolved government system at all?
Scots law was to remain separate from English law in the treaty of the union,
It should not be being used at all within the british legisture of the devolved government.
What a myth this treaty of union is.
Dan says:
On the former, well the whole low electricity consumption “eco friendly” light bulb thang could just be a nifty ploy being punted by the oil and gas industry.
Referring back to the conservation of energy principles, some of the “inefficiency” of tungsten filament light bulbs is that for a given emitted brightness, they also generated a lot of heat.
That “wasted” heat actually helped heat the room, so if you switch to low leccy power consuming LED bulbs, you lose the “wasted” heat effect, and thus require to generate the missing heat to keep you warm through burning the oil or gas heating.
It’s a cunning plan, and they would have got away with it too if it weren’t for pesky kids like me.
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I bought as many of the twirly bulbs as I thought looked sane when Dumfries Morrison’s reduced them to 49p in 2009.
I still use 2 bought then and gave loads to plenty of folk over time. And left 2 hooses with a full set after flitting.
The new LED ones give off too much blue, more lumens/implied Wattage than predecessors and hurt my eyes…I’ve red and green bulbs to help with that.
Expanding the topic to supply to electrical currents and circuits in sequence/series, if I may?
Due to a poor menu of subjects, I took O Grade & Higher Physics with gritted teeth; The teacher was a grump, and partially deaf, in the 80s days before the ‘PC brigade’ existed and the common law and dark sarcasm in the classroom ensured the humming prank was performed as naturally as when some arsehole pupil got shocked if the Van Der Graaf Generator was oot.
Preamble over…
Why do houses need meters to monitor consumption when output is guided by demand and self-executing within normal operational conditions of the circuitry?
I consume 4kwh/day apparently, but that leccy flows through my hoose, it doesn’t go invisible within it.
Would a ‘Utilities’ tax be easier to sell to the electorate if control of power rested where it should, for the evident oil/gas/electricity/broadband/telephone/water/utility of the people?
We’re in the early days of a brand new constitution and there’s hee-haw new to discover that’s easy to find online at the moment…this does not prove Mr Broon right about the usefulness of school-level Physics to me in the future…or does it? Hmmmm….
I’m no fan of Laura Kuenssberg, but this is quite shocking in my opinion.
” You will be pleased to know hospitals are cancelling appointments for cancer patients on the day of the Queen’s funeral as a “mark of respect” and no, this one is not satire either. This island is getting a little too sinister for my liking.”
link to twitter.com
Ian Brotherhood.
I see someone down south has been awarded financial damages for their partner dying after having had a direct link to the vaccine,
It was helpful that the doctor acted accordingly and reported the cause of death on the death certificate,
One of the problems is finding a doctor willing to do that,
However as one or two of the NHS staff and private practices also lose lives themselves after having had vaccines these instance recorded on the death certificate for cause of death may rise signifinantly.
It seems it is up to friends and relatives to pressurise the doctors to report a honest cause of death, if their relative had none of these symtoms before taken the vaccines.
Scott.
Here is another good question to ask of energy comsumption.
When the energy companies reduce the energy to house on mass, and raise it back up to normal during times of higher usage, ie meal times,
Do the energy Companies reduce your Bill accordingly to the times they reduce the households energy.
Or do they just charge you the same rates all the time.?
The criticism of David Davies’s letter to Chief Constable of Police Scotland is that this is a Scottish matter & he shouldn’t be interfering.
Could Scottish politicians write a letter like this to the Chief Constable would it not be a breach of the rules.
Even if they could would anyone of them do it.
It curious that David Davies has done this.
What is behind it?
Am I right in thinking that he could if he wanted read out the names of the Alphabetties and be protected by parliamentary
privilege?
I’m trying to remember what it was he read out before. It had something to do with the Alex Salmond trial.
Republicofscotland says:
13 September, 2022 at 6:11 pm
I’m no fan of Laura Kuenssberg, but this is quite shocking in my opinion.
Is it actually Laura Kuenssberg? The account is
Laura Kuenssberg Translator
@Republicofscotland says:13 September, 2022 at 6:11 pm
And so another lie sets off around the world, while the truth hunts for its laces.
Are medical procedures being cancelled as a “mark of respect”, or are they being cancelled because it’s a fucking bank holiday and nothing/nobody will be running/working/in/there/available?
Just asking.
Although, with the obligatory 30 seconds online research, looks like it is indeed a fucking holiday.
Jeezo.
What exactly is a fuckin’ bank holiday? Is it obligatory?
Is that when all sales of condoms are banned? How would they know if you were observing the holiday or not.
The bank holiday is a mark of respect therefore medical procedures are being cancelled as a mark of respect.
Simples.
@ Ruby
What David Davis said on March 16th 2021
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Dan says:
13 September, 2022 at 6:58 pm
@ Ruby
What David Davis said on March 16th 2021
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Cheers Dan! That’s the very thing I was looking for.
Chris Hedges exposes the British royals for what they really are.
link to consortiumnews.com
@ Ruby says:13 September, 2022 at 6:55 pm
“The bank holiday is a mark of respect therefore medical procedures are being cancelled as a mark of respect.
Simples.”
Uh oh, Ruby reading my posts again.
Millions of people intend to not work on the day on which the funeral of the late Queen will occur. Some of them out of respect. Some of them because they want to watch a historic event. Some of them cos it’s a good excuse to bunk off.
The government has recognised that the disruption from all of those millions being absent will be so total, that there is little point in the remainder of the workforce attempting to work normally.
So it has bowed to the inevitable, and allowed everybody the day off.
Think of it as like what will happen in Scotland, on the day after we get Indy.
Simples.
Assuming you have a job, you, Ruby, are free to try to work as normal. If you find that everything is closed, including your workplace, you will have all day to post on here.
Ruby @6.44pm.
Regardless of whether it is or not.
link to opendemocracy.net
“The decision to cancel appointments comes as hospital waiting lists hit an all-time high: almost 6.8 million people were waiting for appointments at the end of July. More than 377,000 of these patients had been waiting for more than a year.
And NHS data shows that nearly 40% of cancer patients had their treatment delayed beyond the two-month maximum.”
@Republicofscotland says:13 September, 2022 at 7:22 pm
I stopped reading at “white supremacy”.
Interesting that I used to like reading about the Zulu kings. I just never knew they were buttressing white supremacy.
I guess that Emperor Haile Selassie was another white supremacist.
Strange times we live in. No wonder Hatuey has thrown most of his books away.
@Republicofscotland –
In case you haven’t heard, Morrison’s has also decided that we must all show respect when using the self-checkouts. This will be achieved by the machines not ‘pinging’ when we scan our purchases.
Dan says:
13 September, 2022 at 6:58 pm
@ Ruby
What David Davis said on March 16th 2021
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Stu wrote ‘The boy’s a timebomb’ That’s what most people would have thought but there’s been no time bomb absolutely nothing and that is pretty strange. Same applies to all the other police investigations.
As a result you begin to forget that the Alex Salmond trial ever took place.
I’m interested in knowing what exactly David Davis is up to now.
link to craigmurray.org.uk
Can anybody recall Mr Horsebox defending Marion Millar’s right to protest in a peaceful fashion with that ribbon?
“History is present at all times, but the only truth is reality” – Anon
HM Advocate k/a Lord Advocate – some facts.
Criminal cases in the Sheriff courts (eg Breach of Peace) & High Court are prosecuted in the name of HMA on behalf of the monarch as protector of the common & statutory laws. ie HMA v Accused
HMA is one of Scotland’s law officers – advisor to the monarch, and, uncontroversially, principal counsel to the Scottish Government.
HMA is also responsible for the effectice application of justice wrt the defendant in criminal cases, as evidenced by recent public apologies.
HMA also *silently* protects the rights of each side in civil cases in the Sheriff courts and Court of Session [- ensuring that those choosing to present their own case can do so without prejudice and receive the necessary guidance from the court as the case proceeds at each stage. Few claim this right, but it exists. Expensive briefs not needed at all times…]
The functions/officers/powers of the ‘crown in Scotland’ are analogous to those of an overlord & ruler – Scots law doesn’t allow it, because of the common good that’s baked in, notwithstanding the absolute right of the King to administer the union of his crowns.
HMA Dorothy Bain KC is a signatory to the Order in Council that gave Scotland to the Scottish Government & the new Great Seal to the First Minister of Scotland for the common benefit of the people of the kingdom of Scotland.
Her predecessor is the other guy, from Elizabethan Scotland.
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Ian Brotherhood asked who would know if he, or anyone, was an impostor btl on WoS.
It’s an excellent question, which I’ll attempt to answer using logic…I’d draw a flowchart if I could because they’re undeniably useful, but here we are and go.
Q: If Ian Brotherhood, or anyone, is/isn’t a tractor/impostor, what information is available that provides a large enough sample to produce an opinion either way likely to land on the right answer?
A: From btl comments of Ian, there’s evidence of twitter (standalone source of ‘info’), email, previous meetings with posters, area of residence etc. From t’wider t’web he’s an author, alumus of Glasgow Uni.
All seemingly banal and benign, although setting crosswords takes patience and skill.
Now, I’m in no way implying any direct connection between Ian and Andy Ellis when writing the following…
*If* you could be a tractor/impostor/agent provocateur, and Ellis was assessed to be so, the link to the admin of the blog created, but also deserted by St Andy (and comments within deleted to avoid any association with him – failed again innit, lolz), namely ‘Scots_Republic’, may cooper the defence.
From memory, Ian sought privacy and stressed importance of such when trying to interact with Michael Laing (Rock Dinsoaur of Ellis’ abandoned effort) further down the chain of the hosting site.
This is only a circumstancial and tenuous link to someone Ian has accused of being l’agent provocateur, but does exist. And he did raise the issue….
On the balance of probabilities, I don’t care who anyone is. I know who I am. I know who Rev Stuart Campbell is.
I make no accusation of tractor status for Ian, reaffirm the cunt status of Ellis, and celebrate the freedom of Scotland given to us by King Charles III.
So, I bid you farewell, I know I’ll never be back.
They’re moving me tomorrow to that tower down the track, but you’ll be hearing from me, dafties, long after I’m gone.
They don’t let a tractor kill you, in the tower of song.
Fin x
So, I bid you farewell, I know I’ll never be back.
We can but hope.
Now, you can say that I’ve grown bitter but of this you may be sure
The rich have got their channels in the bedrooms of the poor
And there’s a mighty judgment coming, but I may be wrong
You see, you hear these funny voices in the Tower of Song
@Scott (7.56) –
Ha!
Not sure whether to be flattered or alarmed. It’s shocking how much of ourselves we give away via these places whether we like it or not.
For me, WOS was always a place where honesty and openness was, in some ways, rewarded – it was much easier to get to know people and ‘find’ them in real life when they were already more than Gravatars. I don’t know if you’ll remember a weekend night, must’ve been early 2014, loads of regulars revealed their real names and ditched the ‘handles’. It was great. Not everyone could do it for obvious (mostly work-related) reasons but it was a real filip at the time and helped cement a feeling of togetherness. It’s really quite hard to remember what that felt like now.
Must admit I do sometimes regret getting involved at all. It felt right at the time and I met some great people, aye, but what’s the cost down the line? Even the folk who use handles will be well-known to the spooks and & 77ers. If there comes a day when we’re all rounded up and taken away, ooooft, that’ll be a sore one and I don’t think my missus would ever forgive me. But it would have to be a mighty operation because there are surely many thousands of us. It would be hard to incarcerate all of us in one fell swoop.
All the more reason to stick with it. Might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb, eh? And it looks like a lot of folk are thinking likewise. One raised voice here, another there, and the reaction via social media is now driving the narrative (did you hear the build-up to the Liverpool/Ajax game? The fear of a protest during the ‘period of silence’ was tangible) .
By the time they get Auld Liz to London there could be mass ‘protests’ which involve nothing more than citizens (not subjects) standing silent, holding up pages of blank paper.
In the meantime, we can only wait to see if Craig Murray, Iain Lawson and others decide to go to George Square on the 18th. If they do then many of us will feel very tempted, nay obliged, to join them.
For the first time in days the British Boak Corporation Teletext Service (Scotland branch) has resumed adding other “news” stories to their page. The page usually contains a total of 10, supposedly, top news stories each day but recent days have seen only boak-inducing articles in relation to ‘Lizzie’ appear on it. One day there was 4 stories and 6 blank spaces. Another day saw 7 stories and 3 blank spaces. And on another day it was crammed full with all 10 articles relating to her.
There was also one night where 6 BBC channels halted all normal programming and all 6 ran with the exact same footage and reporting from early evening until 6 or 7 am the next morning. Absolutely no need for that. All they had to do was dedicate just one of those channels for those who wanted to view proceedings. They could have dedicated their NEWS24 channel or BBC2, say. The 6 channels that night included the 3 supposedly “Scottish” ones: BBC One Scotland, BBC Scotland and BBC ALBA. The other 3 channels were BBC2, BBC3 and BBC4. And add to them the rolling 24/7 coverage from their “News” channels.
A couple of nights ago, the only footage of all this guff i’ve witnessed, i was unfortunate to land on James Cook sycophantically gushing his best ‘I want an MBE’ performance. Stating that many folk in the Ballater area support Scottish Independence but just as many support the Union – cue cut to a couple from Northern Ireland waxing sycophantically lyrical about just how great Queenie was. That’s it, one couple from over there who do not come from the Ballater area. Thing is, most of us would spot that but most outwith Scotland wouldn’t have a Scooby.
Aye! Talk about propaganda? Good Auld Aunty never lets us down. Milking their monarch’s death for all it’s worth. They have no shame! Don’t know about anyone else but my puke-pale runneth over. Thank f@ck for Netflix! The most watched entertainment platform in my household, EVER!
Meanwhile, back in the real world, the rest of us will continue our preparations for facing death in the face this fast approaching winter as we struggle to heat or eat. My top tip, folks? Invest in a good set of dice. Or if you have a pack of playing cards you could always play cut the pack, Aces high.
I’m tempted to go a wee wander west anyway and have a walk around; if nothing else, I’ve pals in Glasgow that I haven’t seen in ages.
Must remember to take a blank sheet of paper…
Further to the vaccine-inquiry tweet I posted earlier today, this is another with a direct link which may be useful.
link to twitter.com
@Ian B and Stoker: but don’t you think all the frenzy of conformity whipped up by the BBC is powered by a Great Fear that most people were at best finally pretty neutral on the queen and frankly can’t stand Charles III, WEF poster boy?
All the usual sycophants called to perform before the cameras do remind me collectively of an apparently serene swan whose feet are working furiously below the surface to head off resistance but is increasingly desperate and worried about how the proles will react once they’ve had time to take it all in, especially when they see folk arrested for holding up blank sheets of paper.
I sense the desperation of the Establishment in this very awkward interim period and I’m sure many Yessers could have predicted the banning of the Festival on Sunday on whatever pretext could be thought up.
The next few days will be very interesting.
” I stopped reading at “white supremacy”.
You would have missed this bit then
” The royals are oligarchs. They are guardians of their class. The world’s largest landowners include King Mohammed VI of Morocco with 176 million acres, the Holy Roman Catholic Church with 177 million acres, the heirs of King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia with 531 million acres and now, King Charles III with 6.6 billion acres of land. British monarchs are worth almost $28 billion.
The British public will provide a $33 million subsidy to the Royal Family over the next two years, although the average household in the U.K. saw its income fall for the longest period since records began in 1955 and 227,000 households experience homelessness in Britain. ”
Does K.C.3 n The Moonshine Band reeeeally need that $33m d’ye think ?
@Derek (8.51) –
As it happens, I’ve been discussing a long-overdue post-covid swally with some pals.
Sunday seems as good a time as any.
Interested in meeting up at some point, preferably in a pub which doesn’t have a telly?!
😉
Very few without a tv, certainly in the centre. Blackfriars, maybe, or the West brewery (never been there yet) on the Green? Ben Nevis hasn’t, but that’s in Finnieston.
@Derek –
I’m aiming to be there about 12.30ish.
Still waiting to hear from others if they can make it.
The whole ‘telly’ thing isn’t a big deal anyway.
It seems to me that this place had a more pleasant atmosphere today, with less bickering and more interesting conversations taking place. That’s good, I think. Hopefully we can keep it up and all get along better.
I should remember to kick Andy Ellis’s ass into line more often.
😐
RE: Sunday 18th.
I have my buses booked. Saturday, to Cumbernauld, where Ronnie is collecting me. I will work on his iMac Saturday evening, then on Sunday pm, we should be in Glasgow, in Dows from teatime onwards, till I go for my bus at 19.10.
See you there!
@BDTT
😉
PS I know this is a hardy perennial argument, but when is ‘teatime’?!
🙂
IanB, I might be able to get out for a couple of beers on Sunday too, if I get permission.
@Breastplate –
😉
HI Ian B.
Around 5pm is traditional teatime, at least in this neck of the central belt.
@BDTT _
If you’re in your familiar jaikit I shall find ye sah!
😉
“Teatime” is a moveable feast, but I’d guess at around 4-ish onwards…
Hatuey says:
13 September, 2022 at 10:59 pm
It seems to me that this place had a more pleasant atmosphere today, with less bickering and more interesting conversations taking place. That’s good, I think. Hopefully we can keep it up and all get along better.
I should remember to kick Andy Ellis’s ass into line more often.
Very well done! Keep up the good work!
“Today (03/06/2020), through HRH’s Sustainable Markets Initiative and the World Economic Forum, The Prince of Wales launched a new global initiative, The Great Reset…”:
link to princeofwales.gov.uk
World Economic Forum: Great Reset:
“…determining the future state of global relations, the direction of national economies, the priorities of societies, the nature of business models and the management of a global commons…”:
link to weforum.org
The sad thing about all these people paying respects to the Queen is that she isn’t going to know.
There is no TV in the valley of the dead.
I should remember to kick Andy Ellis’s ass into line more often.
That’s hilarious. The idea that sad inadequate like you could kick anyones ass in here given your output doesn’t stand up to the least scrutiny. Little better can be expected from someone prepared to publicly flaunt his philistinism on line of course, however much it panders to the loud claque of moonhowlers who have taken up residence below the line.
Anyone who you’ve picked a fight with has quickly exposed your otiose reasoning, as your recent pearls of wisdom about the value of degrees and the hard of thinking agreeing with you are a case in point.
Being king of the dung heap isn’t the achievement you seem to think. 🙂
OMG Gregor’s back!
‘The 5 boys’ are going to have a major meltdown!
I think there may only be 4 boys but there wasn’t a bar of chocolate called 4 boys.
link to tinyurl.com
Why do you think I call them after a bar of chocolate?
Andy Ellis
You have got to laugh at some of them on here. I know it is difficult to do so but it is probably best to try and ignore the more obvious of the nutters.
Will you be popping along to the soiree on Sunday to mingle with the BPHB? Personally I will give it a miss. The fact that I am in sunnier climes at the moment is irrelevent. I would not be going anywhere near them at any time.
What would you call someone who regards degrees in history, politics, social sciences, international relationships as being as useful as a chocolate teapot?
I’m wondering if telling someone they have a useless degree is worse than calling them a cunt?
Chas says:
14 September, 2022 at 8:06 am
Andy Ellis
You have got to laugh at some of them on here. I know it is difficult to do so but it is probably best to try and ignore the more obvious of the nutters.
Pearls of wisdom for Andy from Chas.
Will he pay any attention?
I’m wondering if getting one of these ‘chocolate teapot degrees’ causes you to lose all reason. What do you think Chas.
It’s good of you to give Andy advice especially when you regards you as ‘a snivelling online coward’
Andy Ellis says:
14 September, 2022 at 7:49 am
I should remember to kick Andy Ellis’s ass into line more often.
That’s hilarious. The idea that sad inadequate like you could kick anyones ass in here given your output doesn’t stand up to the least scrutiny. Little better can be expected from someone prepared to publicly flaunt his philistinism on line of course, however much it panders to the loud claque of moonhowlers who have taken up residence below the line.
Anyone who you’ve picked a fight with has quickly exposed your otiose reasoning, as your recent pearls of wisdom about the value of degrees and the hard of thinking agreeing with you are a case in point.
Being king of the dung heap isn’t the achievement you seem to think.
FFS Andy you really need to learn how to insult using fewer words. Can I suggest cunt might be a good word. That really hits home. The last guy I called a cunt has been greetin’ about for well over six months.
Nobody is going to hang around to listen to the above. Your opponent will have run off given you the V sign and told you to fuck off before you even get past ‘The idea that sad inadequate’
HTH
@ gregor
Good timing. Last night whilst looking through Horsebox’s stable of tweets for something, I happened to find this one from Nov 2020 when he was going for SNP Presidency.
Another individual reeling out that ever so common short unimaginative phrase.
link to twitter.com
But presumably Build Back Better doesn’t include ferries…
My francophone great grandmother has called these current spectacles «la danse macabre de la monarchie anglaise».
No republican she, «Now i am embarassed , Allah!, i’m turning republican».
There is hope yet for the «benighted».
«la danse macabre de la monarchie anglaise».
As Alex Salmond said to Lord Leveson
monarchie anglaise – I like that.
@ Ruby
With all yesterday’s talk on art, I was hoping Chas is actually Morph’s plasticine mate from the art show Take Heart, and thus he’d be well equipped to school moonhowlers lacking knowledge and appreciation on all things art.
1.30min of the lads.
link to youtube.com
“Under cover of the Queen’s death, Liz Truss lifted the fracking ban two days ago. A swathe of fracking licences across the country is the result.”
“Energy is reserved to Westminster they could override Holyrood as feared with the United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020.”
link to twitter.com
Andy, all the subjects you tried to lockdown and all the arguments you made, about covid, the war, claim of right, etc., they’ve all unraveled in the last few weeks.
Even the Pope agrees with those of us who attributed blame to NATO and arms dealers.
You’ve unraveled.
I blame the education system, as I said.
What use is an education system that makes people so wrong and so intolerant?
Dan says:
14 September, 2022 at 8:58 am
@ Ruby
With all yesterday’s talk on art, I was hoping Chas is actually Morph’s plasticine mate from the art show Take Heart, and thus he’d be well equipped to school moonhowlers lacking knowledge and appreciation on all things art.
Hi Dan
I did reply to your post but it seems to have disappeared.
It might appear later.
Dan says:
14 September, 2022 at 8:58 am
@ Ruby
With all yesterday’s talk on art, I was hoping Chas is actually Morph’s plasticine mate from the art show Take Heart, and thus he’d be well equipped to school moonhowlers lacking knowledge and appreciation on all things art.
That would be handy we could do with some art lessons. He could bring Morph if he wanted.
Chas is currently in Spain doing the ‘birdy dance’ & shouting at deaf Spaniards.
Maybe when he gets back he’ll educate us members of ‘The Bonny Purple Heather Brigade’
Bonny his spelling not mine.
FYI I’m currently working on a cartoon. It’s about two blocks who have taken it outside and are having an argument in the pub car park. It’s great just how many ideas you get here on Wings.
One has a tee shirt with a ‘Chocolate Teapot & MA PHD on the front and has a gigantic speech bubble. Still working on the other guy.
FFS Just received an email to say all Edinburgh Leisure swimming pools & gyms will be closed on Monday.
GREGOR.
HM, as PofW, was rather buddy buddy with the gang of Davos.
He is too old a leopard to change his spots.
Under the funeral pall the beast is stirring.
Tinto Chiel says on 13 September, 2022 at 9:08 pm:
“…but don’t you think all the frenzy of conformity whipped up by the BBC is powered by a Great Fear that most people were at best finally pretty neutral on the queen and frankly can’t stand Charles III, WEF poster boy?”
Oh without a doubt, Tinto, there will be a certain degree of this motivating them. They see the “popularity” of the monarchy slipping further now she’s gone. Diana’s spectre (or should that be sceptre 😉 ) is looming large too. LOL!
@Hatuey 10.21 am
As so often in the past, you asserting things and those things bearing any relationship to reality are two quite different things.
None of the things you mention have unravelled as you assert. Vaccine denial remains a-scientific tosh. Vlad and his nice bunch of lads are now being rolled back from the territory they invaded. The claim of right remains a sideshow to actually bringing about independence.
Turning to the Pope as support for your woo woo beliefs probably isn’t the slam dunk move you think.
I’m not intolerant of arguments at all, still less do I try to shut them down. Pointing out that the arguments made are both fallacious and lacking in popular support is as much fun as it is an obligation.
As stated before, I’d much rather the arguments of covidiots, regressive nativist, and sophomoric shills for Vlad the Invader were exposed to the full light of day to be revealed in all their idiocy.
The philistinism of your recent commentary on here tells anyone with any insight what they need to know about your worldview. Nobody is stopping you exposing your intellectual nakedness, but don’t let the enthusiastic clapping of a handful of cranks in here convince you that you’re actually clothed in the latest of intellectual designer couture.
Some bank holiday where you can’t do anything but stay at home and watch TV.
Even the foodbanks are closed! So’ they’ll not even be any popcorn.
Still I could work on my cartoon.
I’ve decided ‘Chocolate Teapot’ MA PHD man will have his 3 mates behind him backing him up.
One is as red as a beetroot and looks like a lump of plasticine, he’s flapping his arms in the air as if he’s doing the birdy dance. As yet his tee shirt is blank. Is he protesting or will I add a nifty little symbol? decisions! decisions! decisions!
PS Does anyone here believe in re-incarnation?
Are you praying that the Queen has ‘a fortunate re-birth’ & doesn’t return in the ‘wrong body’?
intellectual designer couture?
The mind boggles!
Is an old cardigan with leather arm patches part of the ensemble?
@Chas 8.06 am
Will you be popping along to the soiree on Sunday to mingle with the BPHB? Personally I will give it a miss.
Sheesh, can you imagine it….? It’d be the real life version of walking in to the Clansman in Still Game. 🙂
Ruby as Isa Drennan, Brotherhood as Winston Ingram and Hatuey as Tam Mullen.
This is an unusual twist on the UKSC’s decision on an indyref. However, I think the UKSC will swiftly move on past it, after giving it a cursory once over.
“A POLITICAL party which advocates for English independence has applied to intervene in the Supreme Court case on Scotland’s right to hold a referendum.”
link to 12ft.io
5th time asking the question.
Just for clarification,
We know what date the Old Scottish parliament signed up to enter the treaty of the union with England’s parliament,
We know what date the old Scottish parliament closed it’s doors.
Q: WHAT DATE DID THE SOVEREIGN SCOTS JOIN THE TREATY OF UNION ?
Republicofscotland.
I just read that as well.
The People of England are in the same situations as Scotland, they are losing their identity.
Losing their old original Constitution of england by being called British not English,
British is many nationalities,
The British government is a institution.
The English people are not a institution,
The Scots are not an institution,
The Irish are not an institution,
The Welsh are not and institution.
They are natives as indigenous to there Countries,
Scots have there own language, Welsh have their own language, Irish have their own language, even England has its own language that its shared around the world,
For indigenous nations live in Britain.with their own music language and national dress,
@James Che 12.12 pm
The reason you’re not getting much response, apart from the understandable ennui with your monomania amongst most BTL, is that your question is anachronistic. I encourage you – if for no other reason than to gie us all some peace – to go and read the article by Professor Karin Bowie, entitled “Public, People and Nation in Early Modern Scotland”, easily available in any search engine. 26 pages for you to read and inwardly digest, explaining why your question is flawed.
The section discussing the Nation in particular shows why your idée fixe is pointless. The franchise remained limited to propertied elites. The parliamentary act establishing representatives for smaller nobles, barons and substantial freeholders of crown estates, the new shire commissioners, in 1587 were there to help the king understand the needs of the “commons of true realm”.
The rise of shire and burgh commissioners in the early 17th century – effectively a “Scottish Commons” – may have implied that the Parliament represented more than just the limited franchise of actual electors, but that doesn’t mean Parliament accepted modern notions of universal suffrage.
You mean you can not give an specific accurate answer,
If I recall, the shires in Scotland petitioned against joining the treaty of the union.
The Scots also said No to joining the treaty of the union,
6th time asking.
What date did the Sovereign Scots join the Treaty of the union?
Sorry if my uneducated opinion is offensive to you or anyone else, Andy.
About 99% of your attacks on people in here are waged on the basis of your deep concern for what visitors might think and how certain views might negatively impact on support for independence.
But I don’t know how that concern can be considered sincere when we have educated cadres like you and Boyle telling us things like the Irish brought the famine on themselves, the war in the east is a just war against Russian aggression, etc.
The Vatican, for what it’s worth, has guidance on taking a political stance. From memory they came up with that guidance in the 1960s when they were under a lot of pressure over their stance on the nazis. It’s interesting. The upshot is that they generally want to remain impartial on politics except when there’s compelling moral arguments for taking a stance.
We can assume, then, that the Pope and his advisors thought very carefully before they made comment on the war in the east. And we can assume that their attribution of blame to NATO and western arms dealers was couched in the most diplomatic terms they could find. That’s how it reads.
Regardless, I think people should be allowed to discuss these things here without being attacked in the most scathing terms you can muster.
And I think Scottish people should be allowed to express national pride and celebrate their Scottishness without being told they are vile nationalist fruitcakes.
Education-wise, I’m definitely a pig satisfied, which I can confirm is more fun than being Socrates dissatisfied.
Naïve Scots nats, SNP included, have flirted with independence for England parties as if there were some common ground. There is not. These tiny groups stress that rid of Scotland, Wales and N Ireland England would be very much richer, England being the UK’s economic powerhouse and the rest effectively «carpetbaggers».
Of course that we’d be better off argument has the true utilitarian ping of the «nation of shopkeepers» check out.
This royal pomp and circumstance is getting beyond a joke now, the latest is that you are being advised not to go out for a cycle on your bike during Queen Elizabeth’s funeral. It’s bad enough that that people are being brainwashed with almost24/7 coverage of every minor detail, backed up with a host of fawning sycophants relaying every second’s worth of footage and what it means, that some folk will now be wary of going out on their bikes for a bit of exercise.
“Don’t go for a ride during the Queen’s funeral, cyclists told
As detailed here, a host of events have been cancelled or postponed on the day of the Queen’s funeral on Monday, prompting mixed responses.
Guidance issued by British cycling has now emerged that suggest people should avoid going out on their bike while the service and “associated processions” take place.
“British Cycling strongly recommends that anybody out riding their bike on the day of the State Funeral does so outside of the timings of the funeral service and associated processions,” a statement said.”
James Che.
You might find this of interest.
“DID YOU KNOW?
The ‘Claim of Right’ is the only act ratified by both parliaments that carries a death penalty for anyone who disavows it. We even have a £2 coin.”
link to twitter.com
Meanwhile as royalist bemoan those that protest against royalty during this period of mourning for Queen Elizabeth. I wonder what they make of the now King Charles III, giving staff their redundancy notices during the church service for Queen Elizabeth.
link to 12ft.io
That’s hilarious, RoS.
God save the king… oh, and btw, you’re fired.
I’m sure John Main will be along soo to explain it. He seems to believe in sharing our sovereignty with monarchs, for reasons that are hard to explain, but is deeply opposed to sharing sovereignty with Europeans through EFTA or whatever, even though doing so would bring a multitude of measurable benefits.
All of the loudmouths are unraveling on here.
I’m sitting looking over the Clyde with a latte listening to Shostakovich’s 7th symphony, which seems very appropriate for a bunch of reasons. Good students of history will know why.
So the UK government is going to increase Scottish oil and gas production and create a massive new level of debt to fund a subsidy to Iberdrola and other eu based energy providers who will now face a windfall tax in the eu. Essentially thanks to UK incompetence we will be paying for eu firms windfall tax payments to the eu.
You could not make this stuff up
How long will the totally incompetent Nicola stay quiet on this on.
@Robert Hughes says:13 September, 2022 at 9:48 pm
”King Charles III with 6.6 billion acres of land”
Hmmm, that amounts to about 18% of the entire non-watery surface of the Earth, so I am going to be frank and assert it is utter shite.
Defo getting an insight into this multiple-IDs thingy though. The only other poster on here who regularly displays mind-boggling numerical illiteracy is Ruby.
@Hatuey says:14 September, 2022 at 10:21 am
“What use is an education system that makes people so wrong and so intolerant?”
Dunno if you are claiming to be educated or naw.
When you were on here calling for death to the unvaxxed, was that wrong, intolerant, both, neither?
Or just a historical fact, which according to your current fad, can be written off as shite?
@Hatuey says:14 September, 2022 at 4:07 pm
“I’m sure John Main will be along soo to explain it. He seems to believe in sharing our sovereignty with monarchs, for reasons that are hard to explain, but is deeply opposed to sharing sovereignty with Europeans through EFTA or whatever, even though doing so would bring a multitude of measurable benefits”
It’s a fact that King Charles 3 is King Of Scotland. Belief or disbelief doesn’t change a fact. Feel free to convince a majority of Scots that this fact should be undone by democratic means. Be sure to list the compelling advantages for each Scot. Don’t fall into the trap of believing that ideological purity, “stands to reason”, or “it would be nice”, will cut any ice with apathetic rationalists.
As for sharing (AKA diluting) our sovereignty with the EU, Alf Baird demonstrated quite conclusively just the other day that the Scots majority for Remain was simply an artifact of our colonised, cringing state.
Hardly any time on here since there was a Hatuey telling us how he was a firm convert to the “Scotland as colony” trope.
But that can’t be this Hatuey. The curse of the multiple, self-contradicting posts under the same ID strikes again!
@Shug says:14 September, 2022 at 4:54 pm
“Essentially thanks to UK incompetence we will be paying for eu firms windfall tax payments to the eu.
You could not make this stuff up”
Rich countries sub the EU, Shug. Poorer countries hold their hands out.
As long as you are not one of the pro-EU, “dragged out by our hair, kicking and screaming against our wishes” brigade, you have a valid point.
Otherwise, your thinking could do with some joining up of the dots.
On a different but related point, Iberdrola owns Scottish Power. Plenty of Scots might still own the Iberdrola shares they got when Scottish Power was taken over.
John Main says:
14 September, 2022 at 4:58 pm
@Robert Hughes says:13 September, 2022 at 9:48 pm
”King Charles III with 6.6 billion acres of land”
” Hmmm, that amounts to about 18% of the entire non-watery surface of the Earth, so I am going to be frank and assert it is utter shite. ”
I admit I did think that was a typo , but if you read the piece ROS posted by Chris Hedges – a REAL journalist , scrupulous in his information , the figure quoted is in a different font , I assume to emphasise that it’s not a typo . I find it hard to believe he would make such a howler , then draw attention to it
Maybe this figure relates to all the land on which he has some claim worldwide ?
Even if it is a mistake – the fact of the matter is the Monarchy are fabulously wealthy , and that their still happy – indeed think it’s their right – to take money from the people of the UK tells you everything you need to know about the parasitical nature of the Windsor Corporation
John Main says:
Defo getting an insight into this multiple-IDs thingy though. The only other poster on here who regularly displays mind-boggling numerical illiteracy is Ruby.
How do you explain artistic licence to someone like John Main?
Dicitonary definition:
billion
plural noun: billions
the number equivalent to the product of a thousand and a million; 1,000,000,000 or 109.
“a world population of nearly 5 billion”
informal
a very large number or amount of something.
“our immune systems are killing billions of germs right now”
a billion pounds or dollars.
“the problem persists despite the billions spent on it”
Same will apply to millions & shitloads.
Do you think he’ll get it?
PS You’ve caught me I do have multiple identities although Robert Hughes isn’t one of them. Time to be honest. Might come as a bit of a shock but I am Andy Ellis and so is my husband. Andrew and Andrea Ellis.
Republicofscotland.
Thanks for the infomation, and No I did not know that,
I have a “did you know? ” for you too.
The 1st Parliament of Great Britain,
The legal background to convening of the 1st parliament.
The continuity of the English Parliament.
Source wikipedia :
The article talk is intriguing it debates wether the English Parliament held continuity into the British parliament.
Which of course would breach the treaty of the union on day one of the treaty of the union,
Apparently this has never been tested.
Note, See/ read also: the Triennial Act 1694 English Parliament.
@Ruby says:14 September, 2022 at 5:41 pm
“Might come as a bit of a shock but I am Andy Ellis”
Cool, that means I can call you a .
Naw, better naw 🙂
@Hatuey 1.55 pm
Sorry if my uneducated opinion is offensive to you or anyone else, Andy.
As the old saw has it, opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one. You’re entitled to yours, I’m entitled to mine. I’m entitled to say I think your opinion on certain issues is regressive, or barking, or ill-informed or offensive. Such is life.
About 99% of your attacks on people in here are waged on the basis of your deep concern for what visitors might think and how certain views might negatively impact on support for independence.
Not 99%, though it is certainly part of the reason I’m prepared to engage, and if I think the individual concerned or what passes for their argument merits it to attack both their argument and them if I find their argument and way of interacting merits it. You and others are free to disagree as is often pointed out. Nobody (within the contraints of Rev Stu’s patience) is stopping you, or censoring you, or trying to close you or others down. Idiocy and arguments that have something of the night about them SHOULD be subject to the light of reason. Happy to help!
But I don’t know how that concern can be considered sincere when we have educated cadres like you and Boyle telling us things like the Irish brought the famine on themselves, the war in the east is a just war against Russian aggression, etc.
To be clear, I don’t particularly care if you think my concern is sincere or not. I don’t accept that you’re a good faith actor in this. Mr Boyle can speak for himself as to whether your summation of his analysis of the Irish Famine is correct. Like all such major issues there are nuances that some people – knowingly because they have an axe to grind, or unknowingly because they are ignorant of the facts, or don’t know enough to see beyond their own world view – simply don’t want to hear.
The war in the East is a just war against Russian aggression, whether they felt surrounded or threatened by NATO, or any of the other reasons Vlad and his apologists come out with. The fact they sincerely believe something doesn’t make it true. Similarly, the fact that some people here think the US / West is The Great Satan, and are quite unselfconscious about saying so, doesn’t render it factual, or accepted by more than a small minority of Scottish voters or those in the independence movement.
I know it triggers some to be told that Scotland is not and never has been a colony, and that Scots were enthusiastic participants in and beneficiaries of the British Imperial adventure, but it remains true irrespective of the poverty of many Scots, or the clearances.
Regardless, I think people should be allowed to discuss these things here without being attacked in the most scathing terms you can muster.
You and others keep asserting that people aren’t “allowed” to discuss things. It simply isn’t true. People don’t like being told by others that they find their opinions politically regressive, or damaging to the movement or even morally loathsome. Big deal. There is no right not to be offended.
And I think Scottish people should be allowed to express national pride and celebrate their Scottishness without being told they are vile nationalist fruitcakes.
People should also be allowed to point out that there are vile nationalist fruitcakes however, and too many people shilling for their regressive worldview. As you’ll have seen, the moonhowlers in here have absolutely no compunction about labelling those who disagree with them as plants, closet unionists, Sturgeonistas, or just cunt calling them and telling them to fuck off.
Perhaps it’s just me but I think being called out as being a regressive nativist, or at least supporting a regressive nativist position, or being described as a moonhowler for endorsing conspiracy theories, or maintaining that the people of Country 404 “had it coming” is entirely fair comment. It’s certainly nowhere near as bad as being called a *tractor (ed) or a plant, or not a “real nationalist”.
Since you’re a fan of Shostakovich you’ll know that even his life and work is the subject of revisionist and anti-revisionist interpretations. Since you’re an avowed philistine however I’ll leave you to your milky drink and dreich outlook, whether intellectual or geographic.
John Main says:
14 September, 2022 at 6:08 pm
@Ruby says:14 September, 2022 at 5:41 pm
“Might come as a bit of a shock but I am Andy Ellis”
Cool, that means I can call you a .
Naw, better naw ?
You can call Andy Ellis a cunt any time you want but be warned you will never hear the end of it. I do believe you did call me a cunt on ‘billions’ of occasions.
I want to ask you a personal question and I genuinely do not mean it in a nasty way I would just like to know as I would prefer not to be making jokes about you taking everything so literally.
Are you autistic? I don’t know that much about autism I just read the following article & that’s the extent of my knowledge.
link to autism-all-stars.org
Andy Ellis says:
Big deal. There is no right not to be offended.
Is that really true? What about hate crimes, race crimes etc.
@john main
Your starting to should like sensible dave
Do you share shifts with him
Should/sound
Republicofscotland says:
14 September, 2022 at 10:19 am
“Under cover of the Queen’s death, Liz Truss lifted the fracking ban two days ago. A swathe of fracking licences across the country is the result.”
“Energy is reserved to Westminster they could override Holyrood as feared with the United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020.”
link to twitter.com
Here we go again.
This is a prime example of what happens when people get their “facts” off Twitter, the 21st century equivalent of “a bloke down the pub told me.”
Truss said she was lifting the ban BEFORE the Queen died – indeed it was one of the last things she announced to the House of Commons before it went into limbo.
link to dailymail.co.uk
Published: 12:03, 8 September 2022 | Updated: 14:37, 8 September 2022
Much as I despise Truss, who is going to make Boris look like a paragon of virtue and competence by comparison faster than your worst fears can imagine, it’s reprehensible to attribute her with doing a Jo Moore on this count – she actually lifted the fracking ban just hours before the Queen’s death: fortuitous timing on her part rather than design.
What she DID do on Monday was reveal the massive amounts of money – well over half a million – she received for her leadership campaign, a lot of it from the energy lobby (£100 000 alone from an “ex-BP director”). BP “just happens” to co-own a series of companies involved in the extraction of “unconventional gas”.
But anyone following her leadership campaign had already guessed as much: she does have form as an energy industry
arsepiecemouthpiece.Right , it’s fess-up time
” Robert Hughes ” is a name I use when I’m writing factual stuff
” Andy Ellis ” is my nom-de-prune
when I’m writing fiction
” Ruby ” is the name I use when I’m writing comedy
” Chas ” is the name I use when I’m steamin’ n don’t know or care WTF I’m writing
My real is name is ………..Silas Haslam 🙂
Andy Ellis says:
14 September, 2022 at 11:42 am
@Chas 8.06 am
Will you be popping along to the soiree on Sunday to mingle with the BPHB? Personally I will give it a miss.
Sheesh, can you imagine it….? It’d be the real life version of walking in to the Clansman in Still Game.
Ruby as Isa Drennan, Brotherhood as Winston Ingram and Hatuey as Tam Mullen.
Too many ‘scheemies’ in that bar for you Andy?
Ellis describes people who live in social housing as ‘scheemies’ personally I think that is despicable and he definitely merits being called a cunt and told too fuck off.
He and Chas no doubt will be off for a drink in ‘The New Club’ where if they show any signs of being independence supporters will be asked to leave by the back door.
Mark Boyle @7.30pm.
I didn’t say that Truss hadn’t planned it previously, I merely passed on when she did it, via Twitter. Queen Elizabth died on Thursday, and we are going through mourning period where everything is focused on the queen, what better a time to implement your earlier policy, when you’d be least likely to have widespread demos outside Westminster.
Re my 8.09pm. comment.
Mark Boyle.
Interestingly your link is dated the 8th of September, and Queen Elizabeth died on the 8th of September, I will however give you the benefit of the doubt that Liz Truss did announce it first.
” Andy Ellis ” is my nom-de-prune
when I’m writing fiction
‘Aye but see your ‘Historical Fantasy BDSM Shapeshifters’ stories they gie me nightmares.
@Ruby says:14 September, 2022 at 6:27 pm
“I do believe you did call me a cunt on ‘billions’ of occasions.”
OK, Ruby, I am prepared to take your belief at face value and I am prepared to consider your use of “billions” as artistic/autistic license.
But, as I have absolutely no recollection of calling you that, NOT EVEN ONCE, you need to either put up or shut up.
Please post a reference to where I have called you that, and I will apologise.
Thank you.
Ellis describes people who live in social housing as ‘scheemies’ personally I think that is despicable and he definitely merits being called a cunt and told too fuck off.
Who knew someone with such a foul mouth would be such a delicate wee pearl clutching flower? So sheemie = despicable, moonhowler = bad, nativist = bad. Cunt = just fine, being told too (sic) fuck off = just scheemie bantz. Riiiiight….uh huh…
Luckily there are plenty of bars in Edinburgh to avoid folk like Ruby, assuming she’s not already barred with a mouth like hers of course.
Republicofscotland says:
14 September, 2022 at 8:16 pm
Re my 8.09pm. comment.
Mark Boyle.
Interestingly your link is dated the 8th of September, and Queen Elizabeth died on the 8th of September, I will however give you the benefit of the doubt that Liz Truss did announce it first.
And as from THE TIMES WHEN THEY WERE POSTED ONLINE it was clearly before the Queen’s death.
What part of Published: 12:03, 8 September 2022 | Updated: 14:37, 8 September 2022 do you have reading comprehension difficulties with?
Not only was on the article, but which I clearly posted underneath to make the point.
Mark Boyle
Not even Scotland is self-sufficient in renewable energy generation ALL OF THE TIME. The requirement for a base load generating system to cover shortfalls due to lack of wind and hydro power, etc. which with current technology requires gas, justifies North Sea expansion and onshore fracking.
In the absence of artificial petrochemical-derived fertilizers, not even Scotland will be able to grow sufficient food to avoid hunger. Organic agriculture is not viable as the sole means of feeding ourselves.
Post-Indy, should Scotland become self-sufficient in energy and food, we will have a hungry and resource-poor neighbour to the south, plus any number of European countries in the same situation. Scotland stands to make huge sums in foreign exchange by exploiting its fossil petrochemical reserves. Even if all of Europe becomes carbon zero for energy, the absolute necessity for petrochemical-derived fertilizers will remain.
I am very pleased indeed to see new North Sea job opportunities opening up for Scots.
As for that COP26 nonsense, I said at the time that we were crazy to stop our own gas developments whilst we were still dependent on gas. February 24, 2022 proved me right.
And meantime, our friends in India, China, etc. are continuing to ramp up their own fossil fuel use. World demand for oil and gas on current trends won’t peak until 2050 or so. Anything we do here will barely show on the graphs of climate destruction.
We are supposed to be here to talk up Scotland. Why are people being called schemies and moonhowlers?
When was the last time anyone saw Andy Ellis say something positive about Scotland?
When was the last time anyone saw the scientist John Main say something positive about anything (except the Queen)?
And please stop bullying Ruby. I find the way you viciously attack her very unpleasant to witness and if you did that to a woman in the street I’d definitely feel compelled to intervene — seriously, stop it.
The term “Billion” has been appropriated, in order to water down its significance.
In terms of Mathematics, A “Billion” is a Million to the power of 2 (bi). That is, a Million x a Million. Similarly, a “Trillion” is a Million to the power of 3 (tri). That is a Million x a Million x a Million.
However, in economic terms, a “Billion” has been assumed to be a Thousand “Million”. Similarly, a Trillion is taken to be a thousand times a Billion.
Yer average peep on the Fintry bus can grasp the concept of a Million, coz that used to be what could be won on the pools.
When you start to water down the figures, it makes it a lot more difficult for the peep on the Fintry bus to grasp the concept of the figures involved in any discussion.
The Holyrood “grant” from the UK parliament is around 35 Billion. But, is that 35 Thousand Million, or 35 Million Million? I suspect it is the lower figure of 35 Thousand Million.
Talk is in “Billions” to confuse us.
Hatuey, walking along street, spots an earnest ongoing conversation.
Woman: You just called me a cunt.
Man: I think you are mistaken.
Woman: You did, you called me a cunt, lots of times.
Man: I don’t remember that, when did I call you a cunt? Remind me and I will apologise.
Hatuey (to man): You speak to her once more like that and I will be compelled to intervene.
Man (to Hatuey): [adopting Stewie voice] Uh huh ???
Brian Doonthetoon
The 1000 million usage is American.
The 1 million million used to be the one we used here, but like so much of our culture and general usage, we became Americanised. Hence a billion is almost always 1000 million these days.
UK GDP is a bit over 2 trillion (2 million million), thus you will see that the HR grant can’t be 35 million million, it has to be the 35 thousand million.
Trust me. I’m a scientist and still have all of my books.
@Hatuey 8.42 pm
Seriously, stop defending low lives like Ruby. Nobody sane takes her victim claiming remotely seriously when she tries playing the misogyny card herself, it’s even less believable coming from you.
She’s not being bullied nor is she being targeted because she claims to be female: she’s being called out for being a thoroughly nasty piece of work.
People with a-scientific, conspiracy theorising MO’s promoting their woo-woo ad infinitum are being accurately described as moonhowlers. If the term scheemie gives you a fit of the vapours, but folk being routinely described as cunts, told to fuck off, and being described as plants and closet yoons seems acceptable to you, then you’re part of the problem not part of the solution. Of course, you’re only interested in defending the abusers because it suits your purpose.
if there’s something positive to shout about in Scotland, I’ll be happy to do it….it just seems to me there aren’t a hell of a lot of things to be positive about right now. That being said, I’m not running around like Chicken Licken prophesying that the sky is going to fall like some in here either.
@John Main.
I for one am not against other fuel sources, but I am completely against an airhead signing off chits to her financial backers caring not a Mile High Club whether they’re remotely realistic – and fracking, no matter what its apologists may claim, is a Ponzi scheme which rears its head whenever there’s energy concerns.
Scotland has past experience of this, and the collapse of over a third of the entire Scottish professional football league in 1925-26 due to the shale oil industry’s collapse once the funds for mugs dried up is a stark warning from our own backyard.
The moral tale of how Christopher Faulkner conned all Texas ought to have killed this rubbish stone dead, but as Barnum said there’s a sucker born every minute, especially amongst the rich and greedy. But it’s all too often the poor, via government bailouts to “entrepreneurs” from their taxes, who pay.
link to theguardian.com
link to justice.gov
And this was the bullshit he spun the environmental lobby right up to his arrest.
link to bbc.co.uk
@Ruby
It’s heartening to see that your passion, public interest and level of commitment appears to remain resolute, while we collectively endure the greatest global systematic meltdown/power-shift in modern history.
@Dan
Thanks for the link re. buildbackbetterSNP. It’s indisputable, WEF shills/useful idiots are everywhere spewing similar pathetic plastic sound-bites, on a level and at a scale that blows ‘They Live’ away.
Should bbb preside over Scotland ferries, I would likely focus on the issuing of state contracts towards Scot Gov’s private corporate strategic WEF partners.
WEFScotGov.org should be fully aware that it cannot bbb-anything …with zero integrity.
@Ottomanboi re. “He is too old a leopard to change his spots.
Under the funeral pall the beast is stirring.”
WEF King accepts bags stuffed with cash (e.g. from fellow WEF members: £2.6m, Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim bin Jaber al-Thani), while simultaneously playing a key role in the same organisation aiming to murder cash through implementation of it’s own global digital currency/human identity system (‘the devil’ must be lovin’ the rank duplicity and disgusting malfeasance).
…It’s good to know that the public is alive and kicking:
link to tinyurl.com
John Main says:
14 September, 2022 at 8:21 pm
@Ruby says:14 September, 2022 at 6:27 pm
“I do believe you did call me a cunt on ‘billions’ of occasions.”
OK, Ruby, I am prepared to take your belief at face value and I am prepared to consider your use of “billions” as artistic/autistic license.
But, as I have absolutely no recollection of calling you that, NOT EVEN ONCE, you need to either put up or shut u
You don’t remember calling me pubes?
If someone could tell me how to make a link to a post I could link to loads of your posts where you called me pubes. pubes/cunt its the same thing in case you didn’t realise.
gregor says:
14 September, 2022 at 9:57 pm
@Ruby
It’s heartening to see that your passion, public interest and level of commitment appears to remain resolute, while we collectively endure the greatest global systematic meltdown/power-shift in modern history.
What are you on about Gregor?
Andy Ellis is a lost cause.
He just doesn’t get it.
No point wasting any time on him.
@ Ruby
Re. Linking to specific posts. Hover over the date and time stamp at the bottom of a particular post, then right click and copy link, then paste it into your new comment.
@ gregor
Indeed, there’s a lot of simple minds out there…
I was getting some lame Scotland is too wee, too poor shite with regard to energy earlier today whilst speakingto a few folk. So nipped home, grabbed my laptop and returned to the group and proceeded to open various web pages showing that Scotland is resource rich in many ways. TBF the folk I showed this info to were very interested in learning the reality rather than in denial about.
I notice earlier John Main was trying the niche angle stating that Scotland can’t provide all the power we need all the time from renewables, well which other countries currently can.
And on the very few occasions when Scotland does import a very small amount of leccy power from England, it is worth remembering that England generates most of that power from combined Cycle Gas Turbine generators, which consume gas from… Scotland, and some from Norway as the live data shows.
link to mip-prd-web.azurewebsites.net
I’ll drop a Big Dish track in for the Scottish band theme.
Prospect Street (vid contains some Glasgow scenes, and a Hillman Imp)
link to youtube.com
Dan says:
14 September, 2022 at 10:59 pm
@ Ruby
Re. Linking to specific posts. Hover over the date and time stamp at the bottom of a particular post, then right click and copy link, then paste it into your new comment.
Cheers Dan. Easy when you know how.
Andy Ellis says:
14 September, 2022 at 9:09 pm
@Hatuey 8.42 pm
Seriously, stop defending low lives like Ruby. Nobody sane takes her victim claiming remotely seriously when she tries playing the misogyny card herself, it’s even less believable coming from you.
She’s not being bullied nor is she being targeted because she claims to be female: she’s being called out for being a thoroughly nasty piece of work.
—————–
Women often play the victim card when losing an argument. Apparently, you’re not allowed to criticise or debate with a woman because that makes you a ‘misogynist’. These women are nearly always backed up by white knight, simping men who are desperate for female validation. The independence movement is full of simping, female-dominated men.
@Ruby
“What are you on about Gregor?”
Essentially, you (et al) appear to care about our collective predicament, otherwise you would not be here.
@Dan re. “Scotland can’t provide all the power we need all the time from renewables, well which other countries currently can.”
When I studied sustainable environmental management at university over a decade ago, the consensuses was that Scotland has so much renewable energy potential (one of the best in Europe), that it could run an energy surplus.
Yet today, Banana Scotland is facing an energy crisis.
Ruby says:
14 September, 2022 at 10:55 pm
Andy Ellis is a lost cause.
He just doesn’t get it.
No point wasting any time on him.
And yet here you are again, a dog returning to its own vomit such is the extent of your obsession. Having lost the plot and the argument you’re now reduced to shamelessly waving the misogyny card for all its worth, in a last desperate attempt to bolster what passes for your case.
Let’s not forget you were the one who spent weeks after Rev Stu issued an exasperated instruction that we not refer to each other even indirectly doing just that, and specifically daring him to do it. You even had the effrontery to continually paste his warning post in to your responses as some kind of badge of honour. Luckily for you – but unluckily for the quality of BTL discourse – Stu either wasn’t paying attention, or had given up.
Perhaps when you’re trawling through John Main’s past posts desperately trying to find evidence for your baseless assertions that he’s as bad as you are, you could link to the number of times you cunt called me and others “Ruby”?
You’ve been laughed at before for your pretensions of being BTL comment prefect and your attempts to tone police what other people say, while spewing vulgar abuse at others and waiting for the usual suspects in here to egg you on.
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
But worth remembering this, whilst also noting that the Convener of the SNP Member Conduct Committee has worked in PW & JS’s constituency offices for yonks.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Andy Ellis says:
15 September, 2022 at 8:08 am
Ruby says:
14 September, 2022 at 10:55 pm
Andy Ellis is a lost cause.
He just doesn’t get it.
No point wasting any time on him.
Perhaps when you’re trawling through John Main’s past posts desperately trying to find evidence for your baseless assertions that he’s as bad as you are, you could link to the number of times you cunt called me and others “Ruby”?
YCBS! I called you a cunt ‘billions’ of times others next to never. I have openly admitted it. I ain’t gonna be trawlin’ through ‘billions’ of old posts to create links although I am keen to practice the new skill Dan taught me.
Hey! just had an idea! I could use my newly acquired skill to link to posts where old Chas called me ‘Menopausal Maggie’ or some such sexist shit! Please note I never once called old Chas a cunt that one was reserved just for you. Although I can see myself telling old Chas where he can stick his ‘Bonny Purple Heather’ there will be no mention of cunts although I might have to watch out for that banned word and remember to add an underscore.
As for John Main it’s up to him to prove he’s holier than thou. I admit I am much much much badder than John Main but you have to admit I am a whole lot less pedantic & well b o r i n g!
This one just for you Andy.
link to tinyurl.com
On the day I was born
The nurses all gathered ’round
And they gazed in wide wonder
At the joy they had found
The head nurse spoke up
Said, “Leave this one alone”
She could tell right away
That I was bad to the bone
Happy now?
What’s going on today?
How much closer are we to a full on Fascist state?
I find myself agreeing with a lot of what Unionists said about the SNP during the ‘never again 2014 IndyRef’
It’s started with ‘now is not the time’ then ‘once in a generation’ and now it’s ‘never again’
IndyRef2 on the’12th of Never’?
I’m planning a few rebellious acts ‘cos as you know I am bad!
I’m going to go to the food bank and stock up on popping pop corn. On Monday I am going to make loads of noise popping all the popcorn pop! pop! pop!
I’ll leave the lid off the popcorn maker and the corn will be popping off the walls.
ping! ping! ping! pop! pop! pop!
Then I am going crunch it and make loads of noise.
I should be OK if the police call as I’ll be busy following Todd’s recipe
link to tinyurl.com
Cheers Todd.
I’ll also put a couple of sheets of blank paper in my window.
What you gonna do?
link to archive.ph
UK cinemas opt to close or screen Queen’s funeral for free on Monday – but don’t expect popcorn
Popcorn too noisy!
Andy Ellis keeps telling others that I have tourettes. Lets say I did have tourettes would I be banned from these cinema and from paying respect to the Queen?
What do you think?
Spotted something interesting this morning.
There is usually a Saltire flying from the flagpole on the top of Dundee’s Auld Steeple and has been for years.
However, this morning what is up there is a butcher’s apron at half mast.
What I’d like to know is who in the council decided that the Saltire at half mast was inappropriate for the Queen of Scots and why the union flag was more appropriate?
@Ruby
I called you a cunt ‘billions’ of times others next to never. I have openly admitted it.
Three sentences later….:
Please note I never once called old Chas a cunt that one was reserved just for you.
So within the space of a few sentences you can’t help contradicting yourself, whether because your memory is as bad as your language, or just because you’re flat out lying remains to be seen. Why you think it’s appropriate to over use the word is a matter for yourself.
On top of your shameless victim claiming and falsely characterising anyone remonstrating with you because you’re a woman a sexist or misogynist, you’re quite happy to dole out your own accusations against others giving off a “domestic abuser vibe” wasn’t it? Doubtless anyone who wants to can use Dan’s instructions to find that little hostage to fortune up-thread Ruby, which on the face of it is a much more serious matter than your allegations of sexism and misogyny.
Of course, being a snivelling anonymous on-line coward perhaps you feel protected? Others might feel constrained to try and find out who you were to force an apology for defamation, but I reckon the Streisand effect applies. Pleasing as it would be to see you taken to the cleaners, it’s not worth giving attention seekers the oxygen of publicity. Indeed, I’m with the late, great Linda Smith on the matter when she opined on Lord Archer on his release from prison: “I’m not that happy with him having the oxygen of oxygen, actually.”
Most of your …I don’t think we can call it input, more like effluent… BTL here is directed at abusing other posters. You rarely if ever post an original thought, or discuss anything else. One might almost think there was a reason for that.
@Dan 8.36 am
I doubt anyone with experience of the SNP is surprised by that outcome. Why Tim Rideout would want to be associated with a deeply flawed organisation like the SNP is beyond me. His response to them is pretty diplomatic, which suggests he’s one of those who thinks it’s worth staying inside the party. He must have the patience of a saint. I hope he does appeal against the judgement, but I have my doubts he will.
As we’ve all seen with their lack of action against those abusing Joanna Cherry, Joan McAlpine and others, and the mishandling of the behaviour of Grady, Mackay et al, there is little prospect of justice at the hands of those directing the SNP.
@ BDTT at 10.46: “butcher’s apron flying at half-mast on Dundee’s Auld Steeple..”.
That is sad, Brian. Will you be emailing/ringing the council to complain so they know it has been noticed and disapproved?
@ Dan at 10.59 p.m. yesterday: “nipped home to fetch the laptop” to enlighten some folk about Scotland’s energy resources.
Thank you Dan for going to the trouble of doing this – it all helps the cause. I was pleased yesterday meeting a relative and mentioning the cost of power when Scotland is self-sufficient, to my surprise [as I thought she might have been a 2014 No voter] she said yes she knew and it is all wrong that Scotland gets charged the most!
@ John Main says:
14 September, 2022 at 8:21 pm
@Ruby says:14 September, 2022 at 6:27 pm
“I do believe you did call me a cunt on ‘billions’ of occasions.”
OK, Ruby, I am prepared to take your belief at face value and I am prepared to consider your use of “billions” as artistic/autistic license.
But, as I have absolutely no recollection of calling you that, NOT EVEN ONCE, you need to either put up or shut up.
Please post a reference to where I have called you that, and I will apologise.
Thank you.
Tumbleweed …
OK, Ruby, I will go further. Not only will I apologise, but I will also donate £20 to the charity of your choice.
Over to you, Ruby.
I think I get it now. You guys are basically saying the victim in this case, Ruby, deserves abuse. That’s probably an unusual defence in these sort of situations, right?
Sorry for the intrusion.
Scottish prices,
Well those that move to Scotland to live will apparently discover the imbalance of The Uk in fairness and finances.
From energy, food and beer, and value for pound.
We have known these things for years,
It must make newcomers that would like to live here want to be independent from UK.
I myself have not found any evidence Scots are in the treaty of union,
It may be time to start ignoring until evidence is found.
Do you know if Breeks is ok?
Here’s the simple solution to all your problems with me Andy.
If you guys leave me alone I’ll do likewise.
Sorted!
Any mention of me resembling ‘Isa Drennan’ or suggestions that I post dodgy figures or making a snide comment because of a typo etc etc etc then I will respond.
I do not cower in the corner when men lash out! I am a ‘bad’ ‘bad’ woman.
You guys should be very grateful for ‘bad’ women like me. For example I wouldn’t allow some man that I didn’t fancy no matter who he was to put his hand on my thigh and say nothing until five years later when I would accuse him of sexual assault. I think that makes me a bloody good woman.
OK I might risk losing my job or being accused of being one of ‘those lesbians’ but I would definitely take the risk. I might even go as far as to jab his hand with my dinner fork or to accidentally pour my red wine on his crotch and hopefully that would be the end of it.
Don’t go twisting my words and suggesting I am accusing you of sexual assault. I am not.
You really don’t get that I am doing you a huge favour by pointing out the error of your ways.
Not too sure if I can stand by and watch you bully another women or anyone else for that matter. So maybe you could just cut out all the bullying & name calling.
Away you go and stand on your head. Who knows some blood to the head might result in a eureka moment!
NB I am referring to the one attached to your neck. Just thought I would point that out as I’ve noted you seem obsessed with the size of the other head.
PS I’ll give you a free past for this one:
15 September, 2022 at 10:50 am
link to wingsoverscotland.com
The solution is in your hands you can take it or leave it.
Triennial Act 1694 English parliament.
Ruby.
Hello Ruby, yes I have been verbally attacked by this same set of men?
If Stu is monitoring this site as he said he would, he would have to be blind not to see the same group verbally attacking a large majority of his commenters that have supported him for years,
Perhaps he could explain how to go through the complaint system on his site for the benefit of those not so good on computers,
And perhaps we could post when we have made a complaint so we all have an idea of how many are going in.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
I have no interest in your apology or your £20.
Stick it up there along with a sprig of “Bonny Purple Heather’
You are the one who wants to prove your innocence so go ahead.
It’s up to you to prove you didn’t call me ‘pubes’ and to convince others that pubes and cunt are in anyway different and then you could perhaps convince others that you never swear.
The stage is all yours ‘Innocent John’
Hatuey.
Well done for attempting to stop the bullying yesterday,
Like Mentioned,
Occasionally a strong debate is good, heated conversations are inevitable,
But the constant brow beating and name calling, belittling, snide comments from the same people for months that do not have any alternative suggestions to independence other than a similarity to the SNPs crosses the line from the odd heated conversation to verbal diatribe of bullying of just about everyone on Stu’s site over many months.
I am sure Stu is well aware,
But perhaps he needs us to make it official.
@Ruby
Why would anyone believe your protestations though “Ruby”? By your own admission you ignored Rev Stu’s strict instruction not to refer to me even indirectly, and when he didn’t ban you, even went so far as to celebrate getting away with it and re-posting his post with the instruction just to rub it in. During that period I studiously avoided any interaction with you, or even indirect references to you, despite your repeated and flagrant posts ignoring Stu’s warning.
Neither you or anyone else is being bullied. You are being confronted for your own disruptive behaviour. Victim claiming and trying to hide behind your sex – even assuming that behind the anonymous ID you are in fact a woman – isn’t some get out of jail free card for you to behave however you like.
If you’re so sure you’re in the right, come out and own the defamatory post below publicly in your own name and see if any of those you’re abusing want to take it further. I definitely don’t think you’re worth the effort, but others might.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Dan,
There has been a lack of action for those abusing Joanna Cherry.
There has also been a lack of action for those abusing wing Commentators.
James Che says:
15 September, 2022 at 1:05 pm
Ruby.
Hello Ruby, yes I have been verbally attacked by this same set of men?
If Stu is monitoring this site as he said he would, he would have to be blind not to see the same group verbally attacking a large majority of his commenters that have supported him for years,
Perhaps he could explain how to go through the complaint system on his site for the benefit of those not so good on computers,
And perhaps we could post when we have made a complaint so we all have an idea of how many are going in.
Honestly JC I have no interest in making a complaint. I’m quite happy to get stuck in.
Although Stu doesn’t like it when it turns into what he describes as ‘fuckin’ playground shit’.
I don’t care what these guys call me I think their pathetic name calling tells us more about them than it does about me. I’ve been a woman all my life so I’m used this kind of stuff.
I think what you do to complain is go to the top of the page and press the contact button. I think you definitely have a valid complaint. So Good Luck with that.
I’ll post this then check out the contact button and let you know what happens. I would imagine it might be a contact form or an email address.
OK JC I checked out the contact button and it’s pretty straight forward you get a little form which you fill in with your name email subject and and message.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Oh no here we go
‘I am not a normal woman’
I’ve heard that one before many times. Not a normal woman, probably a lesbian and now it’s maybe even a man masquerading as a woman.
ROFLOL
It’s all so predictable!
I really have to go now. I’ll be back later to post what is expected of a normal woman.
REV STU.
I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO MAKE A OFFICIAL COMPLAINT IN YOUR SYSTEM WITH THIS OLD IPA D OF MINE.
SO I AM MAKING IT PUBLIC
I WISH TO MAKE A COMPLAINT AGAINST THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS
ANDY ELLIS.
CHAS.
I wish the complaint to be noted by yourself for the following reasons.
ANDY ELLIS AND CHAS! HAVE BEEN MOCKING AND DERIDING MY SPELLING AND INTELLIGENCE RELATED TO MY DISABILITY OF HAVING DYSLEXIA .
ACTING WITH A FALSE SUPERIOR MANNER THAT THEY MAY BE MORE INTELLIGENT THAN SOME ONE WITH A DISABILITY.
We are all bored sick of it, James. Wings is too. It’s not a good look and reflects badly (isn’t that supposed to be important to someone in particular?)…
Ruby has made an offer and I hope all concerned can now move on.
Ruby.
I must have been writing my complaint while you were responding to me,
There is more than one way to swing a cat, what I can’t manage on this old ipad one way there is always another.
So I posted it publicly for everyone to see.
Ruby
Thanks for the effort you went to on behalf of myself and others.
I can take it to, but the point is, we should’nt have to, bullying is not acceptable as a constant.
Hatuey,
Hopefully we can all move on and Rev Stu will take note of my Publicly made Complaint.
Police Scotland officers who arrested a woman in Edinburgh who held up a placard demonstrating against the monarchy, felt embarrassed about the arrest, and they themselves thought the arrest was unlawful, however their superior made them arrest the woman, in what can only be described as an attack on the freedom speech.
Police Scotland has ow switched their arrest from sporting a placard to breach of the peace, even though the woman never spoke whilst holding the placard aloft.
link to consortiumnews.com
@Ruby says:15 September, 2022 at 1:16 pm
“You are the one who wants to prove your innocence so go ahead”
Oh deary, deary me.
It’s a fair cop, Ruby.
Like everybody else in Scotland, and indeed, everybody else in the entire world, and furthermore, everybody who has ever lived, and lastly, everybody yet to be born, right up to the end of time, I can’t “prove my innocence”.
[those of a religious persuasion are welcome to mentally add an exemption for those historical figures who may have achieved supernatural or transcendental abilities]
@John Main 2.41 pm
Like everybody else in Scotland, and indeed, everybody else in the entire world, and furthermore, everybody who has ever lived, and lastly, everybody yet to be born, right up to the end of time, I can’t “prove my innocence”.
There again, we do have it on the authority of someone up thread that you and a few of us give them a certain vibe John. Have they asked you when you stopped beating your partner yet?
Odd isn’t it that they lack the self awareness to see the link between that behaviour and the worrying precedent being set by Police Scotland arresting those guilty of not grieving hard enough. 🙂
Meantime, back in the “real” world, a relevant article in Unherd:
link to unherd.com
Over the last year I have joined in with many other topics, touching on the following, from the,
Virus.
Sovereignty.
The money going from Britain to that unmentionable country.
Referendums.
Energy.
Snp.
Gender issue.
Re-wilding.
Treaty of union,
Deaths in the family.
Devolving counties from Westminster ( levelling up)
Dyslexia.
Pets.
The devolved government.
Marches.
Food.
Water supplies.
The supreme court.
WEF. ( crimes against humanity)
Alba.
And many other topics others have raised.
However I feel that I am mainly mocked by Andy Ellis and a particular group when the topic of the Treaty of the Union comes to the fore.
This must be close to the phrase “hitting the nail on the head” , or “over the target”.
This is the topic that is often suggested we ignore, why that deflection?
Republicofscotland.
So are we to presume that the superiors are not fit to hold their position of office,
That freedom of speech is illegal even if you do not speak in Scotland.
That the superior is effect making the police look bad to the public.
Andy Ellis 2:52
Can Scots actually do that? Stop beating their partners, I mean?
I have been critical of your progressive viewpoints in the past. Rightly so, if this is where they have taken you.
Sounds like you must be trapped in a living hell 🙂
James Che @3.22pm.
James, I can only presume that the officers in question, their superiors, are royalists, not unheard of in the Scottish police force, or that they themselves felt it entirely inappropriate for anyone to be demonstrating against the monarchy at that time, either way it is, and not just my opinion, but other folk as well, an attack on freedom of speech.
@Republicofscotland says:15 September, 2022 at 2:40 pm
Many people would like to sympathise with a sovereign Scot whose freedom of speech is being infringed.
Of course, actually read the article you linked to, and we find that is not what happened at all.
As to the placard “Fuck Monarchy”, somebody should conduct an experiment by going to a playpark, say, or a mosque, and shouting “fuck”. See how they fare in the absence of polis to keep them safe, the results would be interesting.
Maybes try “fuck the pope” at Parkheid.
It’s their right to free speech innit?
“Many people would like to sympathise with a sovereign Scot whose freedom of speech is being infringed.”
John Main.
The woman in question is from Mexico.
“As to the placard “Fuck Monarchy”,”
According to the article this is what was written on the placard.
“after she held up a sign that read: “Fuck imperialism. Abolish monarchy.””
I doubt that you even bothered to read the article.
Andy Ellis is a lunatic, if he thinks it impossible to sue ‘anonymous pork markets’ for defamation, or inherently clueless about Scots law and how to seek remedy – I’ve got some ‘knews’ for him.
He could raise an action against person k/a ‘moonhowling tourette’s addled stain on the movement what keeps calling me a cunt’ and have notices placed in the Gazette notifying the person, while using other means to seek identity in order to have papers served.
He won’t do that though, because he’s stoopid. And a cunt. And a bully. And a fucking narcissist prone to rage. And a failure. And the evidence of his own ‘targeted harassment’ and willing engagement with others might actually count against him.
Free speech, innit.
On the subject of the 2 arrests reported, breach of the peace is a relatively minor charge to face – commenting on live cases is discouraged but I will say that no laws or procedures were broken by the polis when arresting the accused.
[I sent a letter in mitigation to the JP in 90s and was admonished (effectively – it never happened; there are no disclosure requirements for admonishment); When notified of the charge, I was unaware I’d even been at a crime scene.]
Yours,
Professor Antonio Rabbia, Psychiatrist.
Formerly, lecturer at the University of Padua.
@Republicofscotland says:15 September, 2022 at 3:45 pm
As a committed republican, although perhaps slightly lacking in eloquence, I can see that former Mexican and now New Scot Mariángela [redacted] has your fool seal of approval.
Will she be permitted a vote in the next Indy Referendum, then?
I recall usually it suits you to demand for New Scots to be disenfranchised.
Should there be a register of approved New Scots? Or a blacklist of those who fail to meet your requirements?
His writing style is fucking boring anaw, I hope he writes his own submissions if he decides to sue anyone…the judgement would undoubtedly mention the form of presentation. Judges enjoy the freedom to criticise with respect, and analogy.
John Main @4.06pm.
A clumsy attempt to dodge the points mentioned, I’ll leave it at that.
Republic
You’re right, I was wrong.
The placard says “Fuck Imperialism”, not “Fuck Monarchy”.
Add to her lack of persuasive eloquence, a stunning lack of historical knowledge, as she attempts to blame British imperialism for the sufferings of indigenous peoples in what is now Mexico. Could be one of Hatuey’s bookless students, who knows.
The police did right to close her down for her own safety. Passions are running high, and a lot of the people who wish to attend these events and ceremonies are doing so for strongly held reasons.
I don’t want to see the crowd tear anybody limb from limb. Not even you.
Republicofscotland @2:40
Irony being that, unless and to extent reasonable commentators like (ahem) David Davis are simply deflecting from the shocking failure to reject Margaret Ferrier’s guilty plea in favour of a NOT PROVEN verdict, it was clearly the police and their superior officers who acted in breach of Section 38 of the Criminal Justice and Licensing Act by exhibiting behaviour likely to cause a reasonable person fear or alarm..
Ruby
ANDY ELLIS AND CHAS! HAVE BEEN MOCKING AND DERIDING MY SPELLING AND INTELLIGENCE RELATED TO MY DISABILITY OF HAVING DYSLEXIA .
ACTING WITH A FALSE SUPERIOR MANNER THAT THEY MAY BE MORE INTELLIGENT THAN SOME ONE WITH A DISABILITY.
Show me the post where I have derided your spelling.
I was, until now, unaware of your disability, is dyslexia really a disability or are you trying to play the sympathy card? As far as I am aware intelligence has nothing to do with dyslexia. Are you certain it is not a mental disorder you have? In saying that it would explain a lot.
Your modus opperendi appears to me to criticise, in no uncertain terms, anybody and anything that does not meet your narrow and bigoted view of events, people and the world at large. You are certainly no shrinking violet and I have said before if you can’t take it back don’t dish it out.
Do you recall asking if I was a Scottish cunt?
I trust Stu will look back at your multitide of previous posts and correctly decide who is the derider.
Lastly, I consider your post pathetic………most of them are.
Good to see certain people have moderated their behaviour and heeded my concerns.
John, Andy, Chas, keep it up guys, and thanks.
We can do this.
?
Che
See post above.
I thought it was Ruby who made the complaint against the wise men. Looks like it was your goodself.
The same sentiments apply to you. Bore us all to death again with 300 year old stuff that less than 5% of the Scottish electorate are remotely interested in.
Do you really think that Westminster will repeal the Union on the strength of all the crap you continually post? Do you really think if the Union was magically repealed because of past injustices this would be acceptable to the current MAJORITY of the electorate who wish to remain?
Give us all a break and simply disappear.
What a lovely gesture of Heathrow to cancel 200 plane loads of innocent travellers, so as not to disrupt Lizzy’s funeral proper.
This attention to detail sits awkwardly besides how utterly fuck witted it was to put people with/untested against the ‘rona into the very last place they should be.
The very last place.
Tens of thousands of the ‘ordinary’ aged not even given the Dignity of a thought for their well being.
All Alba knows why.
why would she be arrested if she was not shouting and screaming, not fighting with anyone,
Treason?
To whom?
Peaceful protest is allowed in Scotland,
Unless your police force superiors apparently show political bias and cancel you’re peaceful marches for independence repeatedly although purportedly giving various reasons over time, while allowing other marches to proceed, and show political prefrentiel bias to arresting Scots that may protest,
I also did not think that it was complusory to like the conditions you may have been force to live in, in another country previously.
The snp according to history are also good at these favoured bias arrests.
Maybe like john Main they were perhaps to quick to presume she was a native to Scotland, rather than a mexican. New to Scotland.
Surely then the onus Of racial bias may be added to political bias,
I see John Mason has been given a written warning by the SNP. I find his views pretty loathsome and always wondered why he was in the SNP at all. Given the treatment of Joanna Cherry, Joan McAlpine, Ferrier and others, you’d think Sturgeon’s Candy Floss haired SA would have had Mason thrown to the wolves long before now?
link to holyrood.com
@Hatuey 6.03 pm
I can’t speak fro Chas or John (despite the moonhowlers insisting we’re one person of course) but I for one wouldn’t accept you being some kind of honest broker or disinterested neutral arbitrator trying to bring two opposing sides together for a nano second. It’s probably one of the funniest things I’ve seen on here in a while, not that it’s a particularly high bar, granted.
The usual suspects will continue their behaviours because they just can’t help themselves.
Chas says:
15 September, 2022 at 6:06 pm
Do you really think that Westminster will repeal the Union on the strength of
all the crap you continually post?(1) Do you really think if the Union was magically repealed because ofpast injustices(1) this would be acceptable to the current MAJORITY of the electoratewho wish to remain(2)?—
(1) Insert “the new King recognising 4 distinct peoples, parliaments and governments, significantly also recognising the kingdoms of Scotland, & seperately, England.
(2) Insert “The union of the crowns is a matter for the new monarch to decide. Kiss the royal ring, nod in assent or stick it up yer jumper.
It’s one aspect of the constitution RESERVED to monarch & PC, save for absolute control of the army. The legislatures will legislate with the same force & effect as previously, in the territories agreed by the King. The old ‘Firm’ has a new capomandomento and he ain’t respecting old arrangements, technically.
How the future develops is unknown, but more clarity will appear. Scotland isn’t mourning, because the Queen has gone forever from the kingdom, notwithstanding the individual right to their own grief. That’s how the constitution of the UK works, because it’s in Scotland’s. If her will is subject to Scots law because of place of death, it may be published, but that would be an ecumenical matter.
This is my competition entry.
Yours,
Marco Malipiero. First Counsellor, to the High Court.
Chas last and only comment to you,
I will leave REV STU to back Check any appropriate posts he may wish to check in relation to complaint over previous months.
And the fact that I mentioned that I was dyslexic on Wings this last year,
Just be grateful I have not made a complaint as yet about the derision I suffered from a certain group here when four of my close family members died all within eight months, at the same time contending with my mother and husband both have cancer,
I was mocked and scoffed at on Wings,
If iI wanted to play victim here there is plenty of material been provided to do so.
GeorgeNews(19/14/2022): Sen. Rand Paul rakes Dr. Anthony Fauci over the coals at Monkeypox hearing: Video:
link to tinyurl.com
Che
Why not go the whole hog and make it your last post on the site?
I rarely read any of your drivel so how would I be aware you are dyslexic? My name being mentioned simply caught my attention.
I never made a single comment re the losses in your family and your current situation. How would I know if I skip by your dross? Do you think you are alone in your losses and deserve special treatment?
If you are a woman why do you ‘sign in’ as a man? I shall refrain from asking the ‘obvious awkward’ question.
Scott
Thanks for the usual shite from you.
@ Hatuey says:15 September, 2022 at 6:03 pm
“Good to see certain people have moderated their behaviour and heeded my concerns.
John, Andy, Chas, keep it up guys, and thanks.
We can do this.
?”
I have moderated my behaviour by offering to apologise to Ruby if she can find the post or posts(s) from myself exhibiting the personal insult she claims I made.
After her uninterested reply, I upped my offer to include a charitable donation. Her reply to that was to tell me where I could stick my donation, along with a new claim that I actually called her something else.
I can’t speak for Andy and Chas, but I really think I have tried to meet Ruby half way on this.
I think I will throw the offer open to anybody on here.
Find a post where I called Ruby a cunt and I will apologise (to Ruby) and donate £20 to the charity of the finders choice.
Call me old-fashioned if you like, but I have a bit of an aversion to baseless claims, stemming from a simple belief that the truth will indeed set you free.
Whether at individual, or national, level.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Ctrl F “pubes” on that page and you can see it wasn’t a one off.
James Che, today you’ve managed no less than twelve posts already to add to the sixty two you’ve already made, much of the same broken record – and for that said record most of it, contrary to your claims, utterly ignored.
Seventy four posts of an endless loop of the same absurd Peter Dow type “Cunning Plans” interspaced with bursts of ‘Poor Little Me’. Seventy four posts of largely mind, body and soul destroying offal that would get you call blocked by the Samaritans.
Ruby meanwhile has managed one hundred and nineteen posts 62 of those in the last 72 hours alone.
And before you play your other favorite scratched 78 rpm classic – “what about Andy?” – your and Ruby’s “Great Satan” Mr Ellis – whom you two hyper-attention seekers claim “picks” on you 24/7, has managed only fifty five posts in the comment to this article, just over a quarter of you two have managed between you to date.
And you claim Andy’s the problem round here?
To put matters into further perspective, in the comments for this article, Andy managed to be mentioned in fifty eight posts – three more than he’s made, and twenty five of those from Ruby alone. Obsessed, much?
(For the record, number of times Andy has actually posted directly or indirectly to/about Ruby? Thirteen – and that was stretching it).
Par for the course. By way of putting matters into further perspective, poor misunderstood Ruby has replied or mention me in no less than seven posts, even though I’ve made it plain back in the spring she’d be getting response directly or indirectly to her increasingly unhinged verbiage.
But that hasn’t stopped her from five months of ceaseless “Look at me! Look at me!” to just about every post I make here – as she has to countless others in her pathetic 24/7 search for reflected relevance via this site, confident that all the “I’ve just had about enough of this shit” and the “I’m going to be monitoring the comments … you’ll be sent to your rooms, no pudding for a week,” etc. etc. etc. threats from the owner had all the sincerity of some feckless Weegie parent droning to their feral brat (“Right Nathan, stop it, see, there’s the man coming to get you intae trouble ‘un shout at ye, so he is …”) as he recreates the St Bartholomew’s Massacre in the Argyle Street Poundland.
Face it guys, the owner doesn’t care less, so why should we do his job of rebutting those making HIS website look like an annex of David Icke’s? Life’s too short.
Treat the likes of James Che, Ruby, “Scott”, Hatuey, RepublicOfScotland, Twathater and the rest of the Sockpuppet Horde as dead, discuss only with those clearly not looking for “bites” or a substitute for real life encounters with carbon based life forms, and move on.
Link for petition to remove Andrew as Earl of Inverness.
link to change.org
The Lancet (14/09/2022): Commission on lessons for the future from the COVID-19 pandemic:
(Page 10): The origins of SARS-CoV-2:
“The laboratory notebooks, databases, email records, and samples of institutions involved in such research have not been made
available to independent researchers.
Independent researchers have not yet investigated the US laboratories engaged in the laboratory manipulation of SARS-CoV-like viruses, nor have they investigated the details of the laboratory research that had been underway in Wuhan.47.
Moreover, the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) has resisted disclosing details of the research on SARS-CoV- related viruses that it had been supporting…”:
link to thelancet.com
This evening’s Scottish music track to provide an interlude to the bickering highlights more Scottish mineral resources.
Simple Minds – New Gold Dream 8182,83,84
link to youtube.com
“Biggest gold nugget found in Scotland in 400 years goes on display at Glasgow Hunterian Museum
link to archive.ph
“Mining company hunts for precious minerals under Aberdeenshire farms”
link to archive.ph
@Dan 7:10 & 7:12
So you are claiming that “pubes” = “cunt”?
Naw.
For starters, I have pubes. And a lot of the young women I see in specialist mags don’t.
Good to see you are trying though.
£20 to your choice of charity if you come up with anything.
@Dan 7.12 pm
The (false) claim was that John Main had cunt-called her, and the challenge from John related to that as I’m sure you’re well aware.
Since you’re so keen to make excuses for the individual concerned and seem a bit of a whiz with analysing BTL comments, care to enlighten us on how many times they’ve cunt called me and others?
I have a feeling it’d be quite a task, as Mark’s post at 7.14 pm suggests.
When replying to a comment btl on WOS, what would be the thinking behind a commenter replacing the published username with the word “pubes”?
Dan’s link:-
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Control-F (windows) or Command-F (Mac) to see the 6 examples.
Hi Sarah and anyone else with a fragment of interest.
Paste of an email I sent to my City Centre Councillors tonight, copied to The Courier.
“Hi City Centre Councillors.
For years, a Saltire has been on the flagpole on the top of the Auld Steeple.
I was disappointed and offended this morning, when I noticed from my bus to work, that the Saltire had been replaced by a union flag (known in Scotland as “the butcher’s apron”), flying at half-mast.
After the death, in Scotland, of Elizabeth, Queen of Scots, how did the council reach the decision that it would be inappropriate to fly the Saltire at half-mast?
Why did the Council think that flying the union flag would be more appropriate?
The union flag is the flag of the political union of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland, which dates back to 1707. The union flag does not represent the monarch. It is the flag of the UK.
The monarch has a Scottish Standard and an English Standard.
I live in Dundee, which is in Scotland. The Saltire on the Auld Steeple should have been lowered to half-mast – not replaced with an inappropriate rag.”
I await developments…
@Brian 8.27 pm
You like to (try?) and present yourself as a reasonable voice Brian, so it might seem more than a tad odd to some folk that you seem so incensed at the use of the word “pubes”, but not the word “cunt”? Why is that?
Care to take a stab at how many times Ruby called me and others a cunt Brian?
Very little faux outrage about that from the usual suspects. Passing strange that kind of double standard isn’t it?
@ John Main at 8.04pm
Dare I say you’re splitting hairs there John…
But I’m not “claiming” anything. I’m merely pointing out that highlighting somebody calling another individual “pubes” repeatedly is pretty much exactly the sort of playground level shit that Stu had had enough of.
Out of respect for Stu and the Wings platform he provides us to comment on, maybe we all should self-moderate what we say a bit more, because anyone with a semblance of self-awareness can see that the overly personal bickering is far more prevalent than decent mannered discussions about promoting Scotland returning to self-governing status.
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And there’s AE quick as ever to jump in as a voice of “reason and balance” and provoke a response whilst claiming victimhood and that others are not defending him.
But just how many times has he corralled multiple folk into his derogatory groupings, which is arguably worse than calling out a specific individual as it is basically trolling multiple folk to respond which of course perpetuates a prevalence of bickering and discord away from decent valid discussion.
James che @ 6:22 pm
“The snp according to history are also good at these favoured bias arrests.”
I was interested to learn that the Scottish civil service terms of employment state that: “Your employer is the Scottish Ministers, as agent of, and acting on behalf of, the Crown.”
I suppose that makes SNP Ministers ‘Crown Agents’, which possibly helps explain their anti-independence behaviour.
The laddies doth protest too much, methinks.
‘cunt called’ is this a new made up verb? 🙂
Mark Boyle
Treat the likes of James Che, Ruby, “Scott”, Hatuey, RepublicOfScotland, Twathater and the rest of the Sockpuppet Horde as dead, discuss only with those clearly not looking for “bites” or a substitute for real life encounters with carbon based life forms, and move on.
That’s a brilliant idea!
A better idea would be if you set up your own WordPress site it would save you all the hassle of trying to moderate ‘Wings’ especially when you believe ‘the owner doesn’t care less’
You could select who you wanted on your site and you wouldn’t have to put up with all the above undesirables.
HTH
PS That was a cracker of a typo you made in the middle of your very long post. 🙂
@Dan says:15 September, 2022 at 8:38 pm
“Dare I say you’re splitting hairs there John…”
Haha, good one, Dan.
More puss from the Boyle, I see;
“Treat the likes of James Che, Ruby, “Scott”, Hatuey, RepublicOfScotland, Twathater and the rest of the Sockpuppet Horde as dead, discuss only with those clearly not looking for “bites” or a substitute for real life encounters…”
You all got that?
I’d love to see a “real life encounter” with Boyle and a few Irishmen after he explained his theory that their ancestors brought the famine on themselves…
I see John Main the scientist has taken on board my concerns and offered peaceful coexistence with Ruby, and that’s great, but Andy isn’t demonstrating enough remorse for me and so my special military operations will need to continue…
My enemy’s enema is my friend, Andy… and I think you should understand that as well as anyone.
Tally-Ho!
Does anyone have chapter-and-verse on the current law relating to people ‘meeting’ in public spaces?
George Square, Sunday coming – it was meant to be the Hope Over Fear ‘Yestival’ but that has been postponed until October 8th.
Some of us have arranged to meet up (at no specific time). There’s a possibility that Craig Murray and some other well-kent pro-independence bloggers will be there.
Do Police Scotland have the right to stop and question anyone there if the ‘official’ event is not going ahead?
Are we obliged to give our personal details if requested?
Curious to know the state of play.
😉
@Alf Baird
Scotland is a hereditary monarchy.
We can attempt to change that. Using democratic means, all we need to get is a majority in favour of whatever the replacement will be.
Of course, it will help if the Scots voters know in advance what the alternative will be, and how it will be better.
I favour an appeal to personal benefit, as it gels with what everybody who has ever studied the human condition finds. Individual people are out for what they can get. Show them how something different or new will be better for them, then stand aside, or you will be trampled in the rush.
If you can only appeal to “stands to reason”, or “just have faith”, then don’t be surprised if noting changes.
The monarchy debate and the Indy debate have lots in common. That doesn’t mean that they need to be lumped together though. Vote for Indy and lose the monarchy at the same time is IMO one of the things that is holding back support for Indy.
But don’t just take my word for it. Open your eyes, look around, and observe the actions and behaviours of the large numbers of Scots who care about this.
Then ask yourself does it really make sense to permanently corral them into the No camp.
@ Juanita Sisterhood
If y’all rock up in rainbow colours everything will (probably) be irie. 😉
@Hatuey says:15 September, 2022 at 9:27 pm
“More puss from the Boyle”
So close to a memorable pun, Hatuey, yet still so far.
You meant ‘pus’ didn’t you, not ‘puss’.
See, you should have kept the books!
@ BDTT at 8.33: Your email to the Dundee city centre councillors about their decision to fly the butcher’s apron on the Auld Steeple instead of the saltire is excellent. I especially like “I live in Dundee, which is in Scotland.” 🙂 🙂
I await with interest their response.
Well done Hearts!
😉 🙂 🙂
Ian Brotherhood 7.31pm
Signed that Prince Andrew removal petition.
Then forwarded to SNP HQ .
I can just see it now,,, Sturgeon will threaten anyone who even tries to open the email with ex-communication from the Party.
John, I’ll be honest… if you knew how bad my spelling was, you’d run me out of town instead of idolising me. Why the hell would it only have one s? Totally illogical but I’ll take note and am always glad to be kept right.
Regards Lizzie funeral.
Still haven’t watched one bit of coverage on TV.
Still haven’t read a single word about it in any newspaper.
Still haven’t went onto any website that will contain information about it.
Still haven’t listened to a single news bulletin on car radio about it.
Wings seems to be free of any updates regarding funeral.
I will continue my self imposed ban on anything relating to Lizzie funeral.
I know for a fact it will be full on English Establishment Bullshit.
And I must say,,,I am feeling better for it,,,,I know I just couldn’t handle it.
Anyone affected by English Establishment Bullshit syndrome should give it a go
A total ban on the Lizzie funeral will do the trick.
And I knew the bastards would stop the Yestival
As a mark of respect to the Queen, Liz Truss is calling on everyone in the UK to cancel their direct debits to energy companies on the day of the funeral.
– it’s what she would have wanted.
In ancient times a new reign would start with a debt jubilee – time to brink back tradition.
I wonder if the royal flunkeys are aware when the coffin descends, huge 1000 ton granite plinths will come down, blocking their exits, so they can serve their mistress in the afterlife; Nicholas Witchell is pretty stoked about it.
The corgis will be thrown on her funeral pyre.
A white bull will be slaughterd by the Remembrancer using a kukri invoking Baal and Moloch
@Rab Davis –
One of the most shocking images of Sturgeon (for me anyway) was of her accompanying Prince William when he was up here on some gig or other and she was wrinkling her wee nose to look a bit more like him. Nauseating stuff. It was well after the event that the image surfaced (perhaps here?) and it really shook me. She was like a star-struck teenager.
It seems a long time ago now but this place was the first (or certainly the most high-profile) to openly call her out her as ‘The Betrayer’.
That single post was, and remains, as accurate a marker of the Great Indy Split as historians will ever get.
Ian Brotherhood 10.39pm
And let’s not forget “bowing” to that English dildo David Cameron on the steps of Bute House.
I still cringe at the image.
Sturgeon just loves a good old Royal get-together.
Another chance to talk about the Union with like minded friends.
Sturgeon’s English granny has got a lot to answer for.