Wings Over Scotland

Confused says:
25 August, 2022 at 2:11 am

Are these guys nationalists or are they unionists?

They’re – ahem! – “eccentric”.

Fishing boat skipper William Curtis had told Stewart Stevenson (the local MSP) he was being persecuted in a row with a rival fishing firm and demanded prosecutors were brought in to examine the claims.

The firm in question belongs to the family of Angus MacNeil, and the Western Isles MP is alleged to be closely involved with the business’ affairs.

Curtis claimed complaints against himself of threatening behaviour were motivated because he was threatening to expose Mr MacNeil and his family for employing underpaid Romanian seamen and their treatment amounted to “absolute slavery”.

Curtis told Mr Stevenson had 14 days to act and added “Remember what happened to Jo Cox” – at which point Stevenson was well within his rights to contact the Fuzz and have the old fking headbanger charged and fined £2600 by Sheriff Robert H Dickson in February 2018.

Their later car park shenanigans has put the biscuit tin lid on matters. He’d told Mr Stevenson back in 2018 he was contemplating making “a citizen’s arrest” – hence the later assault on the Sheriff in the car park, although why Robert McDonald of Banff was chosen as the target god only knows.

..etc

Before going too far down that road though it might yet be worth establishing whether they consider themselves sadist, masochist or something else entirely – and how much of the improvement can be attributed to an enthusiastic political environment rather than, say, climate change.

@Brotherhood 10.47 pm

@Ellis –

twitter.com/MrsCharWright/status/1562430980140322817/photo/1

Why would I call her a covidiot? It’s tragic if anyone is harmed by a vaccine. It’s even more tragic if conspiracy theorists try to weaponise the pain and loss suffered in such cases by calling for vaccination to be stopped, or making other a-scientific claims.

the BBC piece on the Vaccine Damage Payment Scheme on 23rd June ( link to bbc.co.uk ) notes the following:

Vikki Spit, from Cumbria, became the first person to be awarded money, following the death of her fiance Zion, who developed vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia (VITT) eight days after having the jab.

But while there is no doubt the vaccines have been lifesaving on a population level, affected families are frustrated as they feel the small minority for whom the AZ vaccine has caused harm are being ignored.

It will be no great surprise to alert readers in here of course that an a-scientific woo-woo believer like you thinks it’s appropriate to try and capitalise on the grief of one individual, and to try and use the unfortunate death of her partner to further your own fringe nutter views.

I’d like to say I’m surprised you dare to try such tactics, but I think we both know there’s no bar so low that you couldn’t limbo right under it Ian.

It looks like Sunak has joined the race with Truss to see who can be more Thatcher like, which will appeal to the Tories who will vote in their next leader and PM.

“RISHI Sunak said he would not make promises he could not keep when it came to the cost of living crisis, as he stepped up his attack on Liz Truss’s plans for tax cuts, warning they would increase borrowing and fuel inflation.

He compared his approach to Margaret Thatcher’s, saying she was prepared to say things “that may have been difficult to hear, but were right for the country”.”

link to 12ft.io

Here we go again the SNP “Demands” the Westminster parties and especially the Tory government don’t give a toss what the SNP MPs want or demand. They know this fine well and they are at Westminster just to give off the appearance of a democratic process, they know that as well.

However the SNP MPs have made peace with this and are quite content to rail a wee bit here and there but as long as their snouts are pressed firmly into the trough nothing much will happen. We all know this now and we are disgusted by it, and we will vote Alba instead of SNP when the time comes.

“LIZ Truss has been warned she must rule out “anti-devolution” peer David Frost from her Government.

The SNP call follows speculation that the Tory leadership frontrunner would offer the former Cabinet Office minister a role in her government, should she become the next prime minister.

The unelected Frost has previously caught the ire of the Yes movement for his comments on Scottish devolution, saying that Scotland should “evolve back” and that independence would be “morally wrong”.”

link to 12ft.io

Republicofscotland @9:53am

Sunak does not realise that nobody wants a Chicken Little telling them the sky is falling. They’d much rather a delusional Truss who says she can fix the problems.

It’s likely that Sunak is simply positioning himself as Truss’ successor. However that’s unlikely to work, as Johnson will likely try and stage some form of comeback in Britain’s Hour of Need.

Republicofscotland says:
25 August, 2022 at 10:08 am

Ruby@ 9.56pm.

He’s a no campaigner who was paid 2k by the Orange Order to promote their British Together website he also was a promoter of the Britnat movement A Force for Good.

Basically he’s a Britnat scumbag.

Sorry ROS I haven’t had my 2nd coffee yet so I’m a bit confused as to who you are referring to.

Republicofscotland @10:20am

Frost will return, as Truss needs people with at least some Cabinet experience. More importantly he’ll be needed in the fight with the EU over the Northern Ireland Protocol. The EU is going to be substantially weakened due to the economic crisis over the coming year and the UK Government probably sees this as the chance to move unilaterally on the agreement since the EU is unlikely to be in a position to do anything about it – more sanctions anyone? This would need a Biden administration to be fatally weakened in the November elections, though. Fun times.

Stuart @10.23am.

Yes I agree Frost will return, by the hardline approach that Truss appears to be taking Frost will have a role in her cabinet. As for Northern Ireland Protocol, I read the other day that the SNP government said they refuse to comply with the proposed changes to it as will Wales, NI’s government is incapacitated.

Of course Sturgeon swore blind she wouldn’t comply with Brexit and we all know how that turned out.

Andy Ellis

Not just AZ. My advice is you do some research. You’ll see.

Nobody knows how extensive the problem is or is likely to get. What we do know will scare you.

A word of warning :- if you found the military industrial complex unsettling, you’re not going to like its much bigger brother, the medical industrial complex.

And if you live on Skye there’s an Alba event this weekend.

Sat, Aug 27, 11:30 AM
Sligachan Hotel , Sligachan , Isle Of Skye IV47 8SW

link to albaparty.org

Gregory Beekman,

In response to you’re question yesterday,

The Book is called
The CELTIC PLACE NAMES of Scotland,

By W.J. WATSON.

There are reprints so the book should not be difficult to find,

As with all my reading, I find it wise to read more than one persons opinion, however as it covers most of Scotland regarding name places, I tend to carry it around in the glove compartment of my Car when travelling outside my own area,
Books like above and similar books to this should be kept in the car for guessing games for children and grand children.

James Che @11.58am.

James with that in mind you might want to read this.

“The daughter of a Scot who divides her time between America and Scotland, MacDonald-Lewis believes the Declaration of Independence, the charter that laid out the early principles of democracy in the United States, was not based on a model from the ancient Greeks or the Magna Carta as is widely believed, but was in fact based on the 14th-century Declaration of Arbroath.”

“It’s time to highlight these links much more widely and in language people can understand,” she said. “If Americans want to understand their history, they need to look to Scotland, because that is where their ideals come from. And Scots should look across the Atlantic to see where their homegrown doctrines and ideas have been most fully embraced.””

link to archive.ph

The BPHB are out in force today.

Unfortunately, same shite as usual!

link to archive.ph

Voters reject plan to use election as ‘de facto indyref’

Interesting!

Ruby @1.28pm.

Hardly convincing for not to proceed.

“If the SNP won a majority of votes cast, it would regard it as a mandate to open independence negotiations with London.
The Ipsos Scotland polling found that 39% thought this would establish a democratic mandate for independence, while 38% said it would not. Another 24% were unsure or had no strong views.”

Andy,

Re topic, languages from yesterday 3:18pm.

It was fascinating to listen to a lady that must have been in 80s speaking the older welsh language of Wales while she was on holiday in Orkney,
And a old lady, a inhabitant of Orkney all her life, talking with each other in their own ancient languages,
They smiled and laughed many times while trying to work out words that were missing that would have made the connection easier,
But through stilted sentences managed admirably,

This was in the early 90s,
I don’t suppose these old versions of welsh and old Gaelic languages could meet so well today,

Without a Doubt somewhere a long time ago the Scots, the Welsh and the Irish held onto their Common bonds of language,
It is also interesting to note that often the heart and mindset of those 3 countries are similar with regards to how they view the population across their immediate borders as alien in mannerisms and as a aggressive neighbour,

It is also interesting to note the legend of Merlin and Arthur is found very early on in these Celtic nations,
Many older place names follow this pattern, along with bards and music, perhaps making Arthur plus Merlin Celtic men in origin,

Here is a quote from the book, The Celtic place names of Scotland, page 142:

According to tradition it is beside the Powsail, at the foot of a thorn-tree, a little below the churchyard, that Merlin is buried, An old prophecy was-

When Tweed and Pausayl meet at Merlin’s grave,
Scotland and England shall one monarch have,

It was believed to be fulfilled by a strange and sudden rising of the waters on the day when when James V1 ascended the English throne.

Ruby.

Lovely to hear you were learning old songs at school, I would say that that kind of teaching is rare in Scotland today.

Bracken was used for bedding, both for humans and animals, as far as I can glean,

Perhaps it may have other purposes besides, such as a dye, a medicine or a poor mans thatched roof,
Scotland is covered with plentiful bracken and people used what was available on their door step,

I see chemtrails and contrails are classed at the moment as a conspiracy theory,

However cloud seeding is not classed under this catorgary.

Apparently this has been experimented with as early as the forties,
Including attempts to use it as a weapon during the vietnam war,
It continues today in many countries,

Google Cloud seeding and many sites are available on this topic.

There are no long term known effects on how this experiment has changed climate over the years around the world since these experiments began, as No research material or studies is available as to how increasing or decreasing the climate in one region may have a effect neighbouring regions or countries,
Or if this would cause water shortages,
Like a nuclear button it’s safety depends on whom is controlling the governments in the background.

Climate change is capable of reducing populations in any particular country due to food and water shortages,

Survey done by Ipsos Scotland not The Herald.

I haven’t read it yet.

At the moment I’m going with my gut. Gut says something no right about this ‘de facto indyref’

We were promised an ‘Indy Ref’ if Sturgeon can’t come up with the goods she has to go.

I’ll read it later. I’m currently trying to find out if ‘to tire’ in Gaelic is a reflexive verb as in

‘Tha Mi Sgith’

which translates as ‘I am tired’. Is the mi am or is myself?

If they hadn’t taken away my Gaelic books just before I started school I would know and would probably have been much better prepared for the reflexive verbs when trying to learn French, Spanish & French.

I think I am going to have do some formal Gaelic learning.

I’ll do that later after my siesta at the moment ‘Tha Mi Sgith’

I’ll be back to talk about the well know song ‘A Wee Deoch An’ Doris’
More Gaelic words that we all know.

dún an doras = shut the door
Deoch = drink

I heard the ‘dún an doras’ phrase many times when growing up. I guess I must have been a child who always left the door open (very bad when heating is so costly) or perhaps ‘an doras’ has a double meaning like trap in English.

Do any of ‘The Alert Readers’ speak Gaelic or do they just slaver Keech?

Keech you can add that to your Gaelic vocabulary.

You know what fellow ‘Purple Heather guys & gals’ I think we are almost fluent in Gaelic and we didn’t even know it. 🙂

Sláinte enjoy your wee doch!

@Rob Roy 10.58 am

Not just AZ. My advice is you do some research. You’ll see.

I’ll see what?

Nobody knows how extensive the problem is or is likely to get. What we do know will scare you.

I suppose like all other non experts, I’ll be guided by the science. The BBC piece quoted above mentions 444 cases of blood clots and 81 deaths out of 49 million vaccines ( 0.00090& and 0.000165% respectively) and notes that we don’t know if all the cases were even caused by the vaccine. Conversely, the risks of a healthy 40 year old man dying of Covid is 500 times higher.

Most people presented with those figures would judge that the risk of being vaccinated are worth it. The same kind of cost benefit analysis will be made in most similar situations.

Is it possible that the scientific community got it wrong and the risks are higher? Yes it is. Is it likely they got it so wrong that the risk of getting vaccinated is higher than the risk of not getting vaccinated? No, it isn’t.

Recent history shows us again again that there will be a hard core of a-scentific nut jobs railing against any given vaccine because they have become convinced it is unsafe, or causes side effects. It goes right back to the original smallpox vaccine, but can be traced through polio, MMR and HPV. Sincerely held conspiracy theorising is still just conspiracy theorising.

A word of warning :- if you found the military industrial complex unsettling, you’re not going to like its much bigger brother, the medical industrial complex.

Neither is a good thing. Neither is inevitable. We have it in our hands to prevent both. Tackling and facing down interest groups, whether military, big pharma, big oil, agriculture, finance or whatever requires vigilant citizens, open government, separation of powers and a democratic system capable of ensuring that the overweening power of interest groups is curtailed.

If we don’t collectively ensure that happens, then we can expect things to get worse rather than better.

James che says:
25 August, 2022 at 2:07 pm
Ruby.

Lovely to hear you were learning old songs at school, I would say that that kind of teaching is rare in Scotland today.

Bracken was used for bedding, both for humans and animals, as far as I can glean,’

I think that is right. However I think the principal reason for cutting was to prevent the stuff from overwhelming the grazing on ‘marginal’ land both in its growing season and when it ‘goes down’. It is said that if you cut bracken three times in a season it won’t return -although I’ve done a fair bit of scything in the past I’ve never had the strength to cut more than once. It’s very hard work.
Life was hard for the old-time crofters

Ruby,

I do not know any Gaelic to verse in, as I mentioned once before on here we were beaten or strapped when speaking Scots or Gaelic at School, and I was not born here so did not learn from my parents.
However I read as many books as I could and can after leaving school to educate myself on Scottish language, dialects, etc,

The two old ladies I listened to in Orkney were forced to speak english in there schools when they were young girls,
My mother spoke some Welsh language, and my grandfather learnt the old language of Romany Gypsies through going to horse fairs to buy horses in the old days,
My great great grandfather taught languages at university, So perhaps my interest is inherited generationally.

Can I ask you if the word ” tint” can be found any where in Gaelic, as I have not found it anywhere other than spoken by the farming Communities in Scotland, and Do not know how wide spread its use is?

Keech you can add that to your Gaelic vocabulary.

Alert readers will of course know that Gaelic doesn’t use the letter “k”, so that party of the vocabulary should be relatively easy to master.

Tha iad ag ràdh gun tig gliocas ri aois.

Brilliant ‘The Alert Readers’ speak Gaelic.
Not totally useless after all.

Tha mi a’ faireachdainn sgìth”

a’ faireachdainn? Is that a swear word.

I’m fuckin’ tired?

Scott says:
25 August, 2022 at 5:21 pm

What are they putting in the water over Edinburgh way?

Glayva

a’ faireachdainn? Is that a swear word.

From the Old Irish airigidir (“perceive, notice”), from aire (“act of guarding, watching over, tending, caring for”)

fairich (verb)(past dh’fhairich, future fairichidh, verbal noun faireachdainn, past participle fairichte)

1. feel,
2. grope
3. hear
4. perceive

Noun
faireachdainn f (genitive singular faireachdainne, plural faireachdainnean)

1. verbal noun of fairich
2. feeling, sensation
3. emotion

Brotherhood @ 5.15 pm is getting a bit hysterical again.

Perhaps his tin foil hat has slipped? Most folk when faced with decisions about whether or not to get vaccinated will look at the advice of professionals and experts. This will be true whether it’s Covid, MMR for their kids or their winter flu jab. Nobody is surprised to be told that there may be risks, but they make reasoned judgements based on what they are told by experts.

Doubtless a few outliers will always be found to tell us this particular vaccine is unsafe, or unnecessary or a ploy by Bill and Melinda Gates to inject you with a tracking device, but most folk see that for what it is: woo-woo.

If the vast majority of engineers told you not to use a bridge because it was structurally unsafe, most people will believe them. If a certain type of aircraft is branded too dangerous to fly by the safety authorities, most folk would not be prepared to board that type for their next holiday if it hadn’t been cleared as safe.

Two randoms you plucked from the internet represent a jungle track of counter factual woo-woo in comparison with an eight lane motorway of reality in the other direction.

Snooker loopy! Lol

Bot doing word replacement.

Oh God! pass the Glayva!

Big slainte you devil!

Looking forward to Ellis’s response to Rob Roy’s excellent 6.02.

Andy Ellis says:
25 August, 2022 at 4:33 pm

Reminds me of the time Sinn Fein made a big deal out of trying to force Irish Gaelic onto the Roman Catholic schoolkids in the failed statelet, only for it to be pointed out the DUP had far more MLA’s able to read and write the language than SF did.

Hey look at this:

cac noun pronounced keech
link
cac – Scottish Gaelic-English dictionary
translations
shit · bugger · crap · defecate · stool · take a crap · defaecate · make · feces · take a shit · ca-ca · defæcate · shite · fecal matter · ordure · dung · poop · scat · dirt · turd · excrement
grammar

cac ( verbal noun cac or cacadh)
cac m. ( genitive caca, no plural)
cac m (genitive singular caca, no plural)
cac (past chac, future cacaidh, verbal noun cac or cacadh, past participle cacte)

sarah says:
25 August, 2022 at 6:55 pm

CALLING INDEPENDENTISTAS: it was the UN that pressurised the UK Government into granting Scotland some degree of self-government.

Why did the UN do this? Because of being informed of the Claim of Right backed up by the Constitutional Convention with its support of 100,000 signatories [remember Canon Kenyon Wright “We the people say Yes”].

The UN will help Scotland again IF we can find enough signatures for Salvo’s declaration.

HAVE ALL true independence supporters on this site signed to join Salvo’s crusade? It is urgent – these are desperate times. We MUST act fast.

<Very interesting! A link please

@ Ruby says:25 August, 2022 at 10:56 am

“A new Panelbase survery has found that Scotland is even more opposed to Brexit than in 2016, when 62 per cent voted against. Now 72 per cent say they would vote Remain”

You know what, Ruby, you have convinced me.

I too intend to vote Remain in the next EU membership poll.

Yup, let’s self-id as still being in the EU.

Wibble, wibble, wibble.

NOTE TO SELF:

DO NOT FEED THE BRITNAT TROLLS.

@Robert Hughes 7.32 pm

It’s hard to say when this place turned in to such a haven for conspiracy theorists. In the end it doesn’t really matter whether they’re frothing at the mouth about the great Covid Shakedown, Chem Trails (honest to fuck….CHEM TRAILS…really?!), the Great Reset, “Scotland is a Colony”, “We wuz robbed by foreigners and only pure bloods should be allowed to vote”.

Those taken in by conspiracy theorising always claim to be party to slam dunk evidence (read assertion) not available to others, or that everyone else is a dupe and only they are capable of interpreting the special knowledge they are party to. It never matters what the relative weight of evidence is to people captured by a belief in their pet conspiracy theory, because their position is essentially faith based and therefore not open to reason.

I can provide links to extensive research on conspiracy theories. Not that it would make any difference of course.

@ Ruby at 7.25: Sara Salyers speaking at Aye Aberdeen’s Yestival on Monday explained this – the video is on their facebook.

There was an article somewhere by one of the people involved that described the work done for many years to inform the UN about Scotland’s position and plight, but I can’t remember where I saw it nor the name of the group.

Andy Ellis @ 3:43

re
“Most people presented with those figures would judge that the risk of being vaccinated are worth it. The same kind of cost benefit analysis will be made in most similar situations.”

Dont disagree, however was somewhat surprised by the claim:
“conversely risk of a healthy 40 year old dying of covid is 500 times higher”
that makes it so

Reason being that National records Scotland reported 44 deaths where covid was mentioned on the death certificate in the 15-44 age group in 2020 (when there was no vaccine) and 102 in 2021 (when it started to be more or less pushed onto the younger age groups)

ie about 0.002% of Scots 40 year olds in 2020, and 0.005% in 2021, died and had covid mentioned on their death certificates so, ignoring obvious concerns about deaths with covid increasing dramatically with the introduction of the vaccine, this represents only about 10 times the outrageously high rate of 81 deaths per 49 million vaccines admitted to (rather than the 500 times claimed).

Worse yet, given that the vaccine did not prevent testing positive for covid (or having it mentioned on a death certificate) its far from impossible that everyone dying in that age group had a co morbidity (including, from 2021 onward, dying within weeks of being administered experimental medicine) so, with apologies to the reporter and editors directly responsible for any misleading errors in the piece, you may well have provided sufficient substantiation for extremely appropriate use of the scumbag label in consequence – chapeau!

sarah says:
25 August, 2022 at 8:11 pm

@ Ruby at 7.25: Sara Salyers speaking at Aye Aberdeen’s Yestival on Monday explained this – the video is on their facebook.

There was an article somewhere by one of the people involved that described the work done for many years to inform the UN about Scotland’s position and plight, but I can’t remember where I saw it nor the name of the group.

Thanks Sarah. I’ll definitely have a look.
Have a lovely evening.

Ruby.

I do probably know loads of words Gaelic, its just that not being allowed to speak them leaves this missing gap in how they are pronounced,

I suspect an original hidden Scots language lie’s within the slang english now named Doric,
It is well that the slang english of Doric is preserved for this gives us clue into the way that part of Scotland pronounced words.

The word “Doric” itself may have a jocular reference to the Doric of old greeks, the Dorians lived in
Laconia and Sparta, the Dorians were considered uncivilised, and Doric came to mean “rustic” in English and applied particularly to the lowlands of Scotland and northumbria, and also the simplest of the three orders in architechture,
Simply put it is an English description of Scots language they could not fathom or understand.
?

Here are a few words from and older Scot vocabulary, being swallowed up and presented as “rustic English”
And
Queets,
Tint,
Stramash
Glur.
Glack.
Quine,
Coothie.
Auch,
Loon.
Glakit
Skelpit.
Gyte.

Having done a quick check phonetically these are not slang or rustic English words, but are related to the Pictish covered area of Scotland.

And there are many more words that I know. And understand the meaning of.
I may supply the meaning of the word” tint” in the near future, but for now it is interesting that these words are not Gaelic nor English, rustic or other wise.

Ellis @8.20pm.

I knew you’d add some shitty link to discredit the guy.

PolyGraph.info is owned by Voice of America Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty and is funded by the U.S. Congress through the Broadcasting Board of Governors (BBG). The BBG is a bipartisan federal agency overseeing all U.S international broadcasting services.

@John Main 8.13 pm

Unlike some in here I don’t treat principles as a pick and mix buffet. My point is obvious to anyone. I didn’t make any point about efficacy in children, I was simply pointing out the paucity of the covidiots reasoning. If you fall for the general covidiocy that’s your own concern. I happen to agree with some of the points made about whether it was worthwhile vaccinating children and/or the wisdom of school closures etc. I even said so at the time.

There’s a fair leap from believing that the way governments handled covid was sub optimal to spouting conspiracy theory bullshit as all too many in here do. It’s entirely possible you’re one of them on this issue, even if you’re relatively sane on others. Such is life. Lots of the moonhowlers are onside WRT to GRA and gender woo, it doesn’t make them any less wrong on their conspiracy fixations in other areas.

@Ros 8.35 pm

I knew you’d add some shitty link to discredit the guy.

Oh, he doesn’t need my help for that. There are plenty of other links from many and various sources. Of course to an auld tankie and shill for Vlad like yourself, no source that wasn’t bought and paid for by your ideological masters would be acceptable, would it?

People will be able to make their own minds up about Sachs, just like they can make their minds up about you and your beliefs from your output on here. You don’t need my help to discredit yourself anymore than Sachs does.

James che says:
The only words I’ve heard from that list are:

Stramash
Glakit
Skelpit.

Quine & Loon I know only because when I was a student I worked at a wedding in Fraserburgh. I think everyone from Fraserburgh was at the wedding so they had to bring in staff from Edinburgh. It was a great job I had a ball. I also learned muckle and solids. I took awhile to figure out ‘muckle solids’ meant a loft of salads. Solids was just the way they pronounced salads.

Couthie I learned from the song ‘Westering Home’

Where are the folk like the folk o’ the west
Canty and couthie and kindly the best
There I would hie me and there I would rest
At hame wi’ my ain folk on Islay.

Lots of words in that verse I don’t know the meaning of. I learned the song not the language.

Is it weird that a song about Gaelic speaking Islay is written in Scots?

More research needed re the song ‘Westering Home’

I definitely learned that song at school in Scots. Can’t remember if we did it in Gaelic.

Here’s the tune. Song is in Irish Gaelic seems they are singing about Ireland and not Islay.
Copyright infringement?

link to tinyurl.com

“People will be able to make their own minds up about Sachs, just like they can make their minds up about you and your beliefs from your output on here. You don’t need my help to discredit yourself anymore than Sachs does.”

Vanity Fair ranked Sachs 98th on its list of 100 members of the New Establishment. In July 2009, he’s got more establishment awards than you have brain cells he’s one of your mob. Now that he’s opened up on what’s really going on the establishment anglosphere and its security services such as you, are tasked with ostracising and discrediting the multi-award winner for revealing where Covid originated from.

He’s also the director of many institutes and foundations and he was Kofi Annan’s special advisor at the UN. He was one of yours but not now.

Executive Director, United Nations Millennium Project
Cofounder, Millennium Promise [1]
Lead Investigator, Global Network for Climate Solutions [2]
Director, Center for Global Development
Director, Friends Africa [3]
Director, Global Green Growth Institute [4]
Board of Overseers, Project Syndicate
Advisory Board, Chinese Economists Society
Advisory Board (cochair), Vale Columbia Center on Sustainable International Investment [5]
Advisory Board, Institute for New Economic Thinking [6]
Former Advisory Board Member, H2O Africa Foundation [7]
Visionary, The Vision Project
Patron, World Sustainable Development Forum

Check out his awards and honoury degrees, the man is/was Western establishment to his core.

link to en.wikipedia.org

@James che says:25 August, 2022 at 8:38 pm

” Miss trust” in a interview said, if she became PM of Britain she would be willing to press the Nuclear button

Hmmmm.

I am rather of the opinion that it is only the existence of a few people willing to push their nuclear buttons that has stopped Vladdy Boy from pushing his.

How does setting out to trash a country of 45 million people help the environment anyway? Is it the intention to re-wild the smoking wreckage at some point?

Or just extend the exclusion zone around Chernobyl by a few thousand miles? Turns out that nothing benefits wildlife like the total removal of the apex predator from the scene. Compared with the existential threat posed by human beings to animals and birds, irradiation is almost benign.

Andy Ellis said:
“So where does this false narrative come from that certain topics are taboo or can’t be discussed on a broad canvas? Has anyone stopped folk in here promoting nativism, or the “Scotland as colony” narrative?”

Also, you quote something Stuart said on Twatter, his take on the topic being discussed on WOS is, and has been, quite different. And you know it! He has repeatedly made you and others aware on various threads that he doesn’t approve. Here’s one of his more polite requests. And not a false narrative in sight:

Rev. Stuart Campbell says on 26 September, 2021 at 8:04 pm:
“I’m not getting involved in the blood-and-soil argument. It’s moot anyway, because there isn’t going to be a referendum. Kindly take it elsewhere.”

Andy Ellis also said:
“Nobody is forcing you or others to interact. You’re free to ignore me and others discussing the issue, just as I routinely ignore certain individuals….”

Strike through the words “certain individuals” and replace them with ‘Stuart Campbell’ for a more realistic reading of the situation. For someone who says the “nativists” are in a minority your actions don’t half give a completely different impression. Is your agenda truly to shoot them down or just blow your own bugle? That was a rhetorical question btw!

To ignore Stuart then tell folk to scroll on is utter arrogant selfishness in the extreme. You’re not supposed to be discussing the topic in the first place. And btw, i’m one of those who would like to see a full blown discussion on the issue but it HAS been discouraged on here. And once again, you know it.

Jings….
Have we got Arms Indutry Andy (Ellis), Chas, SkidMark & Main on the run??

They don’t like it up’em you know!?

The Daily Hail back with the old chestnut that Scots get more per head than the English and it’s at the highest level ever?

And again they forgot to mention that Scots pay in more than they get back.

Funny how we have more going hungry than ever, fuel prices trebling, mortgage rises every few weeks, nationwide strikes and inflation predicted at the highest rates every as we head into recession.

What would we do without England leading us into all this?

“Effigy:
The Daily Hail back with the old chestnut that Scots get more per head than the English and it’s at the highest level ever?”

Ah, “The Big Lie”…The Daily Hail etc? (plus the BBC/ITV etc with MILLIONS of viewers)Hmm….yet “some on here” say the ‘meeja’ have no influence?

Que more bollox….media have no influence etc.

Scotland has no independently owned media.

The Unionist media -all English owned – drip, drip, drip feeds the Scottish people 24/7 via news stands and headlines but more importantly via the big audiences of TV and radio. Anyone who claims this doesn’t have an influence on folk is being disingenuous.
There will be some on here who shrilly cry this is incorrect but I would suggest that the increase in support for independence in 2014 was wholly because the media had no other option but to report both sides for a short period of time…..

If (when) we win this – it will be in spite of the media..

It’s worth bearing in mind that ivermectin’s effectiveness against SARS isn’t refuted by anyone and that its antiviral credentials are indisputable: link to sciencedirect.com

“Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.”

link to journals.lww.com

link to ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

And it turns out the untested bivalent COVID injection being rolled out in the UK this autumn is completely useless. Whoever would have thought?

link to infowars.com

Energy costs just increased by another 80%?

An average family paying £1200 per annum now being asked to pay £3,549 p.a

This comes with the warning of major price increases in January and then again in April.

To quote the Kaiser Chiefs “I predict a riot”.

To find that extra £2,400 knowing that half your salary goes on Income and National insurance tax and a further 20% gone to VAT when you buy anything.
Higher taxes of course on things like petrol.

If you get any pay rise will it put and extra £5,000 in your gross pay?

This is only part of the story of course food prices are up about 20%.

Now you will see business’ close, job losses, millions hungry and freezing in their homes.

Crime will go through the roof as good hard working people face greedy banks ready to
take their homes away.

The affect on physical and mental health will finish off the NHS and finally the Tory goal of selling off the NHS will be delivered.

Not to worry we know Scotland can be ignored in Westminster and Ministers like Sunak and Zahawi who have Hundreds of Millions in the bank will hardly notice a thing.

A few years ago a survey showed 81% of Tory MP’s were multi millionaires.
Do you believe they know and understand the plight of the working classes?

Sunak doesn’t even know one!

I want SNP politicians demand independence and the return to self sufficiency in oil, gas, electricity and water after taking these resources into Scottish Gov Control.

The Bastille once looked impenetrable but a crumbling Westminster should fall with the outcry of a nation.

@Stoker 10.22 pm

Also, you quote something Stuart said on Twatter, his take on the topic being discussed on WOS is, and has been, quite different. And you know it! He has repeatedly made you and others aware on various threads that he doesn’t approve. Here’s one of his more polite requests. And not a false narrative in sight:

Rev. Stuart Campbell says on 26 September, 2021 at 8:04 pm:
“I’m not getting involved in the blood-and-soil argument. It’s moot anyway, because there isn’t going to be a referendum. Kindly take it elsewhere.”

The point being made was a general one, hence the reference to Stu’s refutation of the claim being made by nativists that they were being closed down, or told to effectively to “wheesht for indy”. Doubtless if Stu gets exasperated enough with the topic he will take action, as he did with “Country 404”. If zoomers keep bringing the “we wuz robbed” narrative up, and positing a nativist solution as the antidote, I’ll keep calling their bullshit out though.

The reason nativists are so triggered by Rev Stu’s absolute demolition of what passes for their argument, is that it hurts them to be on the wrong side. They may rather huffily protest that even Stu can get it wrong, and their allowed to disagree etc., but why do you think the train of regressive and often abusive extremists fluffing frnachise restriction get so hysterical and accuse me and others of being closet unionists, 77th Brigade, or Sturgeonista stooges…?

Why should those of us who value civic nationalism and see the nativist narrative as damaging to the movement as a whole (and indeed to the legacy of this place as one of the foremost platforms for pro-independence folk) be expected to remain silent when the moonhowlers continue to punt their xenophobia and bigotry?

Andy Ellis also said:
“Nobody is forcing you or others to interact. You’re free to ignore me and others discussing the issue, just as I routinely ignore certain individuals….”

Strike through the words “certain individuals” and replace them with ‘Stuart Campbell’ for a more realistic reading of the situation. For someone who says the “nativists” are in a minority your actions don’t half give a completely different impression. Is your agenda truly to shoot them down or just blow your own bugle? That was a rhetorical question btw!

It may be rhetorical, but it deserves an answer. It seems self evident to me that nativists seeking to exclude large numbers if not all New Scots are in a minority in the movement. They deserve to be shot down because – like Rev Stu – I firmly believe their proposed policy is not only morally wrong, but would be electorally ruinous.

Whilst I agree with him that it may be a moot point because we aren’t going to be getting a referendum anytime soon, I disagree with him that it is therefore not worth debating, because allowing regressive xenophobic narratives like franchise restriction to become mainstream is a gift to British nationalists and opponents of the movement here and in the rest of the UK.

You may disagree and think I’m motivated only by a desire to blow my own bugle, but why is that any different to those who post in favour of franchise restriction? I’m not the one accusing them of not being real nationalists, or being Britnat agents. That kind of routine “othering” of people in their own camp is the type of tactics employed by yoons during indyref1. The inability to debate the issue and resort to othering and abuse speaks to their lack of actual argument, just as it did with the britnats in 2012-14.

To ignore Stuart then tell folk to scroll on is utter arrogant selfishness in the extreme. You’re not supposed to be discussing the topic in the first place. And btw, i’m one of those who would like to see a full blown discussion on the issue but it HAS been discouraged on here. And once again, you know it.

It takes two for a discussion. If nativists set out their stall, I’ll respond. Doubtless if Stu feels aggrieved enough, he’ll intervene as he did with Country 404. I’m not the only one to think that was a mistake, but it’s his site. Unlike some others in here I could mention, I’ve abided by Stu’s restrictions when he’s imposed them, only to see the others involved gaily flaunt them and virtually dare him to ban them.

Perhaps unlike some of the others involved you’re capable of debating in good faith, and not accusing those who disagree with you of being tractors*? The real “utter arrogant selfishness” exhibited in here is that of folk banging on endlessly about 300 year old treaties, or posting TL:DR screeds about their pet theories, or punting their own 10 part series on why Scotland is a colony, or routinely othering fellow posters as yoons and britnats, or simply cunt calling them because they lack the intellectual equipment to formulate any more sophisticated response.

@James

If (when) we win this – it will be in spite of the media..

So which is it, is the MSM all powerful, or something people can easily see through? If the MSM was/is so all powerful, how come we added around 15% to the Yes vote between 2012-14, despite the uniform hostility of all the media and their fluffing of Project Fear talking points? I doubt many people would agree with your rather odd conclusion that it was because for that limited time the MSM had to cover both sides.

And if the MSM is so influential, why hasn’t the Yes vote receded since the No vote in 2014? You can’t have it both ways.

‘Alert Readers’ very alert this morning. Alert and ready to pounce!

I’m lucky ‘cos Stu has order that I be protected from the pouncing.

Andy Ellis, Ruby: if either of you ever mentions the other by name (including any “clever” ways of doing so indirectly) again in any context whatsoever you’re banned. Clear? Not comment deleted, not pre-moderation, banned.

I have HAD ENOUGH of this fucking playground shit.

James che says:
25 August, 2022 at 8:24 pm
Ruby.

I do probably know loads of words Gaelic, its just that not being allowed to speak them leaves this missing gap in how they are pronounced…

I find it interesting you say that, because in some of my own experiences, how a word is spelled is much less important than how it sounds. People speak words a lot more than they write them down, and often, when they are written down, it’s written by someone interpreting what they’ve heard, and the authenticity of the spelling is a matter of one time interpretation, but very often, that isn’t obvious.

That’s why I think it’s absolutely essential that a language continues to be spoken, and also why it’s worth learning languages even when you’re perhaps never likely to use them.

I think Auld Scots suffers a bit because of that… People are seeing words which they’d understand if they heard them spoken, but when it’s written down, you’re trying to sound the word by reading it, and it feels clumsy and unfamiliar. But that’s only natural when you grow up speaking and hearing a language, but only very rarely seeing it written down.

INDEPENDENCE: Is anyone btl interested? I haven’t noticed much reporting of activity nor of discussion on how to get us out of this mess i.e. make our MSP/MPs actually apply our constitution and protect the common good.

It’s not as if the MSP/MPs have a difficult task – everyone, including Westminster, accepts the Claim of Right. It follows that if they don’t know the people’s opinion, they can ask us. No ifs, no buts.

We are in a desperate economic position and Scotland’s assets continue to be drained away. Our MSP/MPs have no right to stand back and say “we can do nothing – these matters are reserved.”

link to twitter.com

Interesting podcast with Joanna Cherry and Matt Force…

Interesting, but at the same time, kinda hollow.

I confess, it feels like such a waste to hear Joanna Cherry, however eloquently she speaks, talking about the SNP, when what I really want to hear is what Cherry’s thoughts are on SALVO and the Scottish Constitution.

To me, the SNP seems like yesterday’s news, and frankly, I find the lackadaisical attitude towards progress on Independence to be insufferable.

I am conflicted through knowing that seeing the SNP getting a drubbing at the polls will not be advantageous to Scottish Independence, but my God, what else will it take, to register with these SNP underachievers that they were given a fkg job to do, and by a country mile, they’re not fkg doing it!!!

Impatience is not beneficial to the cause either, but of the two, at least impatience threatens to break up this cosy indolence and exasperating lack of action.

I genuinely believe politicians are badly misreading just how close they are to having matters taken out of their hands. I don’t mean violence, though that’s a possibility, but the emergence of a grassroots anger which will be very difficult to steer in a constructive direction.

The Westminster system will not accommodate Scottish Independence on a good day. We KNOW this! It will definitely not accommodate Scottish Independence when the smell of tear gas and smoke is prevalent in English cities provoked to civil unrest.

FFS… Get a fucking move on, before we find ourselves playing second fiddle behind English City riots, the way Scotland was playing second fiddle to COVID, Brexit, English Elections, War in Europe… and any other utility excuse of convenience.

Either shit or get off the pot.

@sarah 10.10 am

Is anyone btl interested? I haven’t noticed much reporting of activity nor of discussion on how to get us out of this mess i.e. make our MSP/MPs actually apply our constitution and protect the common good.

What exactly is it you expect ordinary independence supporters to be doing? The only MSP/MPs who are in a position to bring about action and change are those in the SNP. Good luck persuading that lot to actually do something more than sit on their hands, tutting loudly and opining that Scotland won’t stand for it. They are of course correct, we won’t stand for it, we’ll meekly stay on our knees hoping against hope that some deus ex machina arrives to do the hard work for us.

If folk were that exercised about the current situation they’d be out on the streets already, don’t you think? I hear folk almost gleefully prophesying civil unrest and people (finally?) really, REALLY meaning it about not standing for this anymore when the energy price hikes hit, but short of an Easter Rising type event, what is going to make the SNP piss or get off the pot?

Does anyone here or elsewhere honestly expect the unsavoury cabal of grey suited, Growth Commission managerialists and candy floss haired gender woo extremists to take radical action to precipitate a change in circumstances? Have I missed a threat from Sturgeon, Blackford or Robertson to recall our representatives from Westminster and call a Convention, or threaten to precipitate new Holyrood elections….?

If you or anyone else honestly think the SNP and Scottish Greens would put themselves in a position of going to jail for their beliefs like their Catalan equivalents, I have some magic beans you might be interested in.

sarah says:
26 August, 2022 at 10:10 am

INDEPENDENCE: Is anyone btl interested? I haven’t noticed much reporting of activity nor of discussion on how to get us out of this mess i.e. make our MSP/MPs actually apply our constitution and protect the common good.

I need someone to give me a hint as to what I can do.

I’m OK with boycotting M&Sogyny, Mansoon etc I can do that but I have no idea how to get the SNP MP/MSP to do anything. Before we can get them to do anything I think they would need to see a exorcist or one of these specialists that help people who have been part of a cult.

For every article that supports the use of ivermectin, you will find 100 that say the opposite. That reaction (or over-reaction) indicates that there was a lot of concern about alternatives to the vaccine appearing, as I explained above — viable alternative therapies would have made it impossible for vaccine companies to secure Emergency Use Authorisation in the US which in turn would mean they could not expect immunity from prosecution down the line, something we know that they attached a lot of importance to (with good reason).

Ultimately, of course, viable alternatives would have hit sales of the vaccine badly, especially since the vaccines were experimental and known by manufactures to be potentially risky (otherwise why would they try to hide the adverse events data for 75 years, data that proves the vaccines trigger a wide range of serious side-effects?) and relatively poor in terms of performance (they definitely don’t stop you catching the disease and they don’t stop you spreading it).

In the background it’s clear that most “news” agencies are worried about upsetting Big Pharma who they depend upon for advertising, just as individual doctors and academics don’t want to upset them; doing so would negatively impact on profit margins and careers. Easier and more lucrative all round to play a cheerleading role, echoing the proclamations of influential people in the pharmaceuticals industry, their cohorts in health departments, and of course politicians, many of which are on the payroll, or to simply say nothing.

Anyone that doesn’t understand all that might as well be on the moon as far as grasping basic realities of the business world are concerned. Everything revealed in Manufacturing Consent about the nefarious influence of the arms industry can more comfortably be said of the Medical Industrial Complex which is actually many times larger and much more influential.

One of the positive spin-offs of all this was that the denial and elbowing out of alternative medicines like ivermectin undoubtedly resulted in a more people getting seriously ill and dying, and that in turn instilled a useful fear into people, making everyone more likely to queue for the vaccines when they arrived as the only remedy. Literally trillions of dollars were riding on all of this playing out exactly as it did and instilling fear was a key component.

Since non-covid excess deaths seem to be soaring across the world right now, particularly in countries where vaccine take-up rates were highest, it’s incumbent upon all of us to try and approach this subject with honesty, humility, and integrity. We could be at a very important crossroads in human history and failure to approach it in the right way could prove to be very costly.

I can see the appeal, but I don’t think it’s going to be possible to deny or ignore all of this in the months ahead.

Good luck.

@RobRoy (10.41) –

Well said.

The use of Ivermectin has had spectacular successes, particularly in countries/regions which already had experience of toxic BMGF experimental ‘vaccines’ killing their citizens.

If memory serves, Pfizer wanted to do the roll-out in India. India said ‘aye, okay, but first you have to tell us exactly what the ingredients are’. Pfizer then quietly ditched the whole thing, jettisoning billions in potential profits.

As you mentioned a few days ago the simple fact that these companies have demanded – and for the most part been granted – immunity from prosecution in the event of adverse reactions should, in itself, be enough to trigger a red flag in anyone with a functioning brain. And if that wasn’t enough, the simple arithmetic behind the standard testing processes (typically a decade or more) has never been given due attention – no government anywhere had the right to advise pregnant women to accept ‘vaccination’ when testing cannot possibly have been completed.

When the truth of this is finally established via some form of ‘Nuremberg 2’, there will be trials, imprisonments and, in some cases, well-deserved executions.

When the truth of this is finally established via some form of ‘Nuremberg 2’, there will be trials, imprisonments and, in some cases, well-deserved executions.

This is honestly how far some in the movement have sunk. Folk in our supposedly progressive movement for independence calling for the execution of people for holding views different from their own.

Who the hell do these MSP/MPs think they are to keep us in this mess?

Just supposing, not saying it will, but just supposing events took a turn for the worse, a few hot heads on either side sparked a reaction which escalated until things took a violent or nasty turn, leading to the Ulsterisation of Scotland.

I don’t think that will happen, but it’ll be the same difference for some people if they’re having their world is shattered by mortgage arrears and repossession, stress wrecks their marriage, or relations die prematurely because they couldn’t heat a room in their homes. Bad things happening which cannot be undone but which could have been avoided.

NOBODY in their right mind wants that to happen, but Jeezo, after 8 years of stagnation, squandered opportunities, and nothing but meek and gutless submission to Westminster’s oppression, could you really blame people getting angry and desperate?

FFS! SNP, you stand within the gaping wide window of opportunity, but you’ve been stood there doing sweet fk all for EIGHT YEARS now. If that window of opportunity closes, or even significantly degrades to heighten our difficulties, make no mistake you WILL be held responsible.

And as for Sturgeon, do you honestly think 2 amateurish Independence Papers which a High School pupil might have written on their lunch break is anywhere near remotely adequate? People want Scottish Independence delivered, done and dusted, yet you’re here, faffing about with polite opening chapters which are 5 or 6 years off the pace, and nothing more than a prelude to a banal conversation which nobody any longer cares about.

If you’re not capable of doing this, for God’s sake, stand down or step aside.

Thank you for your comprehensive report Mark?

How many Tory MPs are Lords, Dames, Viscounts etc.

How many of them in safe seats have tax payer allowances for second homes worth a million plus around London.

How many had connections to blank cheque emergency Covid Contracts and PPE Supply contracts?

How many milked it with jobs for the Russians based here or for lobbying for big corporations like Patterson was doing?

Do you recall Cameron looking to pick up £60 million for trying to get a dodgy bank government money?

Cameron and Osbourn’s families had very big windfalls from Off Shore Investments.

The Panama papers identified the scale of privileged tax dodgers leaving taxes to the poor.

James Che , being an Aberdonian I know many of these words and enjoy hearing them / reading them.

Forfochen and cowkin’ to add to the list and loons to go with the quines.

Yesterday we had Ian Blackford demand that the Tories do something about the Cost of Living in the Union Crisis, Blackford was of course just grandstanding for the punters back home in Scotland. Today his boss Sturgeon the betrayer also demands that that the nasty Tories do something about the Cost of Living in the Union Crisis, which is fast becoming a disaster, as energy bills are set to jump a whopping 80%.

This Cost of Living in the Union Crisis is a godsend for Sturgeon as she can finger point all day long at Westminster, and do very little herself to abate it here in Scotland, its a win win situation for the betrayer, the worse the Cost of Living in the Union Crisis gets the more folk in Scotland will look to Sturgeon to berate Westminster, and the more she’ll cry out vote SNP to protect Scotland.

However if the betrayer really wanted to protect Scots from the Cost of Living in the Union Crisis, instead of trying to save England from itself over Brexit, she should’ve tried to save Scotland from the union, but she didn’t she betrayed us in favour of remaining in the union, and did her best to divide the indy movement in the process.

Of course Truss who I think is a nail on for the next nasty PM has her own excuse she’s finger pointing East to blame a certain country for her governments own failings on energy, and the masses along with the Britnat media affirming her finger pointing, will fall for it hook line and sinker for it.

Does anyone think Sturegon or Blackford or any one of her spineless and gutless SNP MPs and MSPs will be worrying this Winter whether they have to chose between heating or eating. Sturgeon sold Scotland out and things will only get worse whilst she remains in office, and we are tied to this ball and chain union.

“OFGEM has confirmed an 80.06% rise in the energy price cap, sending the average household’s yearly bill from £1971 to £3549 from October.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said the “unaffordable” price rise could not be allowed to go ahead, calling for action from both the UK Government and energy providers.

The cap is due to come into effect for around 24 million households in England, Scotland and Wales on default energy tariffs on October 1, and will remain in place until December 31, when it will be adjusted again.”

link to 12ft.io

I’m not enjoying the spectacle, but seriously SNP, the reason you now have a Labour / Tory Coalition running North Lanarkshire Council, (yes Ravenscraig North Lanarkshire), is firstly because you put a sex nuisance into public office, and it is also largely to do with your “Both Votes SNP” hubris at the Council Elections which was a gift to the Unionist parties.

And yes, it does seem extraordinarily dodgy that Sophia Coyle and her father are up to no good turncoats and set out to deceive the voters, but please spare us the father and daughter piety when you have husband and wife ruining the SNP while answering to nobody, and if memory serves, Sturgeon as I recall was also trying to get her father elected to office.

Whoever is in charge of SNP vetting needs sacked also, and would seem to require some vetting themselves.

Seriously, the SNP is turning into one HUGE liability for the cause of Scottish Independence, perhaps the biggest liability we have, and Scotland is running out of time and running out of patience with this craven incompetence and dangerous hubris running out of control. RAVENSCRAIG now has a Tory for Deputy Provost, Chair of Auditing, and Deputy chair of Planning and the only brain cells you have functioning are the dysfunctional ones telling you to blame it all on ALBA. Seems to me the SNP need to be given a proverbial and very non-pc “thick ear”.

Please SNP, you can do us all a massive service, get with the fkg programme, fast, and GET RID OF STURGEON and all her creepy duffers! You need root and branch reform immediately. And for god’s sake do it soon before this fkg shambles does irreparable damage to the cause, if indeed it hasn’t already done so. You’re a laughing stock with nobody to blame except your own deluded leadership.

Top economist says Scotland MUST obtain independence and get back into the EU market to see economic growth. There’s no doubt Sturgeon the betrayer knows this, but put the union and party interests before that of Scotland and its people.

Look at the economic damage leaving the EU market has done to Scotland, and Sturgeon let it happen without so much as whimper, add in that we now have the English government making trade deals for Scotland without its consent, trade deals that will severely damage Scotland’s agricultural and fishing industries, and Sturgeon the betrayers again didn’t even utter a whimper.

I just wonder how bad it will need to get, before enough folk wake the f*ck up.

“But Brexit changes everything” he wrote in the New Statesman. “The economic cost to the UK of leaving the EU could be as high as a reduction of 10 per cent in average incomes by 2030. If Scotland, by becoming independent, can avoid that long-term fate then you have the prospect of eventual economic gain right there … If Scotland can remain in the single market it could be the destination of the foreign investment that once came to the UK as a gateway into the EU. By accepting free movement, it could benefit from the immigration that has improved the UK public finances over the last decade.”

“He is not alone in that view – far from it. One of the world’s most influential economists, Professor Joseph Stiglitz (below), also sees independence as an opportunity. Stiglitz’s experience is one few economists can boast, as former senior vice president and chief economist of the World Bank, and a former member and chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers in the US. In 2001 he won the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences and is the fifth most frequently cited author on college syllabuses for economics courses. He is, by a fair margin, the most qualified economist to enter the discourse of Scottish independence.”

“Small countries can have their own currency,” he told BBC Radio Scotland. “The reason that Iceland, which had one of the deepest downturns in 2008, had one of the strongest recoveries was that it had its own currency. If there was a Scottish pound floating, you could help stimulate the Scottish economy. The deficit would come down to make it acceptable to joining the EU.”

Dorothy Devine.

I am delighted that you know these words and still use them, I wish many more people would keep that particular ancient language alive before it is drowned, by what known as a invented language of Doric, this is not a rustic version of The Queens English, that was forced upon that part of Scotland,

I to have heard the word Cowk, a good example is how the scottish politics makes you Cowk,
I have not used Forfochen, but it sounds pretty good,
I am Always learning, may I ask for a discriptive sentence that includes Forfochen ?

We need to divide the original Scots from the rustic English version of Doric,
There is a original Scots language belonging to the north/ north east of Scotland in particular, buried and classed as slang english under the all encompassing word Doric,

@James Che

It may be time now, to define the difference between the Pictish language of old and rustic Queens english the local were forced to learn.

You seem a bit obsessed – and misinformed – about the Picts. Nobody knows what the Pictish language was as they left no written records. Most experts now accept that Pictish was a Celtic language in the same group as the insular Brittonic and Gaulish languages. It was entirely replaced throughout its range by Scots Gaelic.

Gaelicisation likely took centuries, but was well underway by the reign of Domnall mac Causantín in the 890’s CE. It’s though Pictish as a language had been more or less replaced by the 11th century, although pockets may have existed for generations more. There is some evidence for Brittonic langauges still being spoken in southern Scotland (probably different from Pictish, and a hangover from the Brittonic kingdom of Strathclyde which included Galloway and Cumbria) into the 14th century.

Priti Patel, uk parliament Quite likes the ideal of Executions as a member of westminster parliament,
She suggested that hanging should be bought back in Britain.

Liz Truss in westminster is all for Executions,
She said she would press the nuclear button to equal VP in that other country,
Two wrongs do not make a right.

BJ also said he would do the same,
In fact exterminating the Scots quite appealed to him,

The rhetoric for killing, executing, arming and maiming people is not a Scottish policy from the people of Scotland ,
unless your head of the Snp, who quotes Hillary C,
Contradicting her own speech of ” Bairns not Bombs”
Shes forgiven though cos she just admitted to being British, not Scots first,

Alf Baird,

Joanna Cherry after a while is not dissimilar to the Blackfords and the Snp in general, as a lawyer you would think she would be right on to these flaws,
Perhaps “own Neck” is what they all have in common,

Btw, thanks for the descriptive use of Forforchen,

JAMES CHE
Little is know about «Pictish» except what is evidenced by place names. They indicate a P Celtic language related to old Welsh. Scots/Scottis is a variant of Northumbrian insular West Germanic which made steady inroads into the P Celtic regions in Lothian and Strathclyde and is not related in any way to «Pictish».
Old Irish arrived in mid west Scotland about roughly the same time.
English is an imposed language indeed.
Another alien are the so called «Clan tartans»,possibly a french word and a mid 19th century invention. Like the «kilt», a north English dialect word, in origin a Greek chiton like garment, link to en.wikipedia.org, not a skirt.
Both itemsbelong in the fake Scotland dress up box.
The military use of the kilt in the imperialist British army is enough to condemn it as is its newfound LGBTxyz connotations.

Andy,

I presume you mean that non local historians do not think that a Pictish Language exists because it was not written down,

Thats perhaps as a culture of the Picts, the Language and culture were more verbally passed on or artistically passed on from sibling to sibling,

Writing and Recording Picts language may be very little in difference from Egyptian hiroglyphics,
Except that there may still be in Scotland a verbal tradition of their old language (Pict) however being subscribed to the bin by colonial Doric rustic English language over lording,

Perhaps it is wiser to let the people of N And North east of Scotland decide if all the words they speak every day are lazy english words/ rustic/ slang or wether there is some remnants of a older language that is in evidence here,

Who are you to tell them that all the words passed on to them generation after generation by their fore fathers are all badly spoken English,

There are words that have no parallel spelling or sounding phonetically that cannot be Swept under the carpet just because a non-local says so,

This dismissing and disregard for a peoples possible ethic language whereby they are forced to drop any links to their past by so called Colonial control around the world is a bit old hat for even you Andy,
Let the people that still live and talk this diminishing Language in that part of Scotland decide upon further investigation if all their words are old rusty English that has come under the umbrella of Doric, by historians that may not have had a clue other than an opinion.

James Che , ‘ I wiz fair forfochan efter hingin’ oot thae wet balnkets.’

Or ‘I wiz fair forfochan listenin’ tae yon meenister for a hale oor’

Knackered is how I remember it being used.

Another favourite – though I suspect my brother made it up – was

‘snochterdichter’- which is of course a handkerchief or maybe not!