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This is where you stand

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If you vote Scottish Labour:

And if you vote Scottish Conservative:

Always good to know.

We’re starting shopping now to beat the rush, folks.

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    1. ScottieDog says:

      Weirdly I have been thinking about stockpiling. Wonder if the tories actuallly deliberately want to create a panic.

    2. Betty Boop says:

      Quel surprise, yet again! RE Labour in Scotland, you were always doormats.

    3. Macart says:

      Waaaay ahead of you. I’ve cornered the loo roll, pasta and stock cubes market. 😎

    4. Heather McLean says:

      Brexit sounding more and more like an impending apocalypse with every passing day!
      Come the day – they’ll be the ones running the “black market” no doubt!

    5. Highland Wifie says:

      Why would unionist voters of any colour be surprised by this?
      Their faculties are dormant otherwise they would see what the rest of us see.

      And yes, I too am considering stockpiling essentials and the application for an international driving permit is going in the post soon. There are far worse things than being wrong.

    6. Dorothy Devine says:

      Macart , you haven’t got them all – I have a fair supply too!

      We’ll be OK in all the departments you mention for months to come!

      Be prepared – that’s the Boy Scouts solemn creed ,
      Be prepared and be clean in word and deed ……

      Good old Tom Lehrer! he knew a thing or too!

    7. Dorothy Devine says:

      P.S I am at this moment , making Swiss Milk Toffee – tablet to those of you who didn’t have the benefit of my granny.

      I am making it to cheer myself up and the rest of you can get knotted – I’m not sharing as I might endanger your health and your waistlines. ( That’s my excuse and I’m sticking to it)

    8. Socrates MacSporran says:

      Just noticed, via the Rev’s twitter feed, the clip of the bod Colonel flip-flopping on Brexit. Early-on, in a clip from Holyrood, right behind her nodding his wee head or all he’s worth in agreement is The Linesman.

      Another two-faced Tory tractor.

    9. defo says:

      I’m stockpiling schadenfreude for the glorious day.

    10. Doug_Bryce says:

      If you believe in the EU / devolution then vote SNP.

      It really is that simple now.

    11. Iain says:

      The day will surely come when ‘Mundell’ will become fixed in Scottish history and folklore as a name characterising a person without integrity, of shameless, self-serving, servile treachery and dishonour.

    12. manandboy says:

      The Tory government knows what is going to happen – but they’re not going to tell the general public, at least not until they have got themselves sorted with everything they will need to get through the consequences of a no deal Brexit. They and the entire British Establishment. All at the taxpayers expense of course.

      D-day will be the day David Mundell leaves Scotland in fear, probably for an indefinite period – if not permanently.

    13. Dr Jim says:

      2 spare fishing rods for sale call anytime I can’t afford to go out

    14. Andy-B says:

      I have visions of placating the masses post-Brexit with a new Soylent Green. Whilst Charlton Heston like Omega men hold up in bunkers underground, and Book of Eli Denzil Washington characters seek out cat oil to trade with.

    15. call me dave says:

      Jings! Three separate interventions by different judges nudging along helpfully on Advocate Wolffe’s initially remarks.

      Long way to go yet…. and her indoors has left me to it to watch her own channels. 🙁

    16. Bill says:

      Pet food. You’ll need to stock up on pet food. Just saying.

    17. Thepnr says:

      It’s very hard to believe that we have a government who because of their own actions are seriously talking of and thinking about stockpiling foods and medicines.

      This sounds like utter madness and it is utter madness yet even with that, across the UK 47% still want to leave the EU.

      If this did come to pass then Armageddon it will surely be because for how long would such a situation remain in place?

      I don’t think this will come to pass, surely not even the most rapid Brexiteer would contemplate such a disastrous situation?

      I’ll be stocking up anyway, just in case like.

    18. Street Andrew says:

      Stockpiling and panic buying of food will be great for the high street and Supermarkets.

      Perhaps this is the best idea the Tories can up with to achieve the inflation they’ve been looking for eight years.

      It would make more sense if they just looked in the right place: the asset markets are inflated fit to bust.

      Which they will.

    19. Glamaig says:

      All this stuff about no deal, and stock-piling, might be to manage our expectations, so when the Tories eventually sign us up to terrible deal, they can present it as a triumph, and a grateful nation will acclaim them as heroes saving us from the big bad EU…

    20. Doug says:

      Re Bill @3:28 pm

      – “You’ll need to stock up on pet food”

      Now suddenly it all falls in to place who in all of our knowledge is not only a self proclaimed expert on all things economic – despite no formal or in formal training – and doesn’t know the price of fish in …. well anywhere really… BUT does know the price and value of Dog Food…..

      Someone who would profit immensely in the event of a shortage of Dog Food but would suffer if the EU was able to supply such to the Independent Nation of Scotland who would be part of the EEA or indeed the EU……

      Now the motivation against independence makes sense – money!

    21. John Alexander Ferguson says:

      Will this stockpiling of food affect the food bank donations?

    22. Helena Brown says:

      I am buying in tins, my freezer is stocked, but if no electricity that will be hard to keep.
      I have a different problem, my Pug has an eye problem which requires drops twice a day or he will lose his sight. These are also used by humans. They are made in Belgium and having been stuck earlier this year because the manufacturer produces them in certain numbers for their various areas, my Vet could not obtain them. As it turned out I managed with a prescription to get them from the Pharmacy. Now if the Government is stockpiling medicines we can be damned sure the many medicines which are now cross overs for animals will not be available. It looks like I am going to have to see how many I can stockpile safely.
      Just another thing for people to consider.

    23. call me dave says:

      Our Raab C Brexit is ‘demoted’ and the whole Cabinet is now responsible for Brexit says The Guardian on Revs twitter.

      Wolffe making progress in court. 🙂 Doing alright.

    24. Greannach says:

      Not even a branch? When were they ever that important?

    25. call me dave says:

      Oh dear.

      UK halts Type 31e frigate competition

      Richard Scott, London – Jane’s Navy International
      24 July 2018

      The United Kingdom’s Type 31e acquisition process has stopped due to insufficient competition

      Plans are being scoped for a new procurement competition
      The UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) has been forced to rethink the acquisition strategy for its Type 31e general-purpose frigate programme after abruptly terminating the original acquisition process, citing insufficient compliant bids for an effective and robust competition.

    26. Thepnr says:


      “All this stuff about no deal, and stock-piling, might be to manage our expectations”

      I feel much the same and that makes some sense at least of all this nonsense.

      Still if the UK government have miscalculated where they are and how the Chequers White paper sits with the EU then it could all blow up in their faces and result in No deal.

      If such a thing were to result, I’m talking of a total crash out without any agreements in place for anything at all.

      Then that’s it, we’re up shit creek without a paddle for sure.

    27. yesindyref2 says:

      Talking about US trade deals after Brexit (well we weren’t)

      Do, do, do the stinky chicken
      (The stinky chicken)
      We are here to show you how
      Ooh, ooh, ooh, the stinky chicken
      He’s just like you
      So come on and do
      The stinky chicken now

    28. Abulhaq says:

      In other states governments of this current British type have been brought down by revolution. No one has confidence and trust in UK politicians.
      The British state is headed for the finish.

    29. Gordon.B says:

      WM set to declare State of Emergency over brexit and impose direct rule over all uk.

      Devo is dead.

      Who needs fruit and food anyway..

      Carrots will be protected as you will need them to help see in the dark when the lights go out.

      Bit of book burning to keep warm…

      Welcome to Grande Facistania…all hail treeza…all hail treeza…strong and stable…strong and stable…!!

    30. Fred says:

      Inshallah to that!

    31. sandy says:

      I appreciate that, as a country, Scotland accepts all but the dregs of human society.
      With that in mind, is there any way that we can get rid of Mundell? Surely there is some country/embassy that will take him. We could even pay his fare.
      Any suggestions?

    32. Big Bill says:

      Sandy , what about the Ecuadorian embassy I hear they’ll have a space quite soon and Mundell the cullion could move in

    33. Reluctant Nationalist says:

      @ Glamaig, 3.46pm


    34. Jason Smoothpiece says:

      Scottish folk who support British Nationalist Labour and Tories need to start listening to what is developing.

      They owe it to their families.

      The Westminster crazies are going to do serious harm to us.

      Independence is clearly becoming urgent.

    35. Astonished says:

      I heard Bristol city will take any british nationalist – to manage them !

      Hopefully, if they don’t fancy fluffy, they could give McLeish another try.

    36. Thepnr says:

      Now we have the Irish Prime Minister hinting at an extension to Article 50.

      However, asked specifically if he would choose to find more time instead of facing the “real risk” of a no deal hard Brexit, Mr Varadkar confirmed an extension would be “preferable”.

      “In terms of us being unable to come to a withdrawal agreement, I’m always reluctant in talking about hypotheticals, but I think anyone would appreciate it would be preferable to have an extension than to have a no deal scenario.

      “There is provision in the treaties to allow article 50 to be extended, but that can only happen if it’s requested by the UK and I don’t think we can really entertain or talk about that as Europeans unless the UK decides that’s what they want, and as things stand they don’t.

    37. Capella says:

      It’s difficult to keep up with the whirling dervishes in Westminster. Apprently, Raab C Brexit is demoted and Theresa May is taking personal control of the negotiations.
      That’ll help.

      Meanwhile, 73% of Scots want to stay in the EU:

      Now to catch up on the Supreme Court democracy fest.

    38. Robert Louis says:

      So, a poll out, showing that even fewer Scots want to leave the EU than was the case at the referendum.

      For the record,

      27% want brexit

      73% Do not want brexit.

      Honestly, these really are numbers which Westminster should not ignore. Almost three quarters in Scotland want to stay in the EU, yet ENGLAND via the ENGLISH parliament, is forcibly removing EU membership from every single Scot. It is truly appalling. It goes against ANY notion of democracy. It is colonialism, pure and simple.

      Call the referendum Nicola. Let’s not wait until we are all forced to use that old ‘government issue’ shiny slippy toilet paper again (some here might remember it), once the racist brexit clusterf*ck becomes real.

    39. mogabee says:

      ‘Scottish’ Labour…here but not here, as it were. 😀

      Not so shocking as we have known they are only an accounting dept. despite the very many leaders and their assertions otherwise!!

      As there is more or less only the two of us at home now, I’ve enough food stocked up so anyone want jars of pickles, jam etc only a ‘few’ years old, just gie me a shout. 😀 😀 😀

    40. X_Sticks says:

      Sh!t. Is the popcorn going to run out? We must be told!

    41. manandboy says:

      The BBC in Scotland, under the remotely controlled Donalda MacKinnon, is in diarrhoea mode over the Supreme Court hearing with overt support for Lord Keen the UK Government’s legal representative.

      Holyrood is represented by the Lord Advocate, James Wolfe. Continues tomorrow with a decision later in the year.

      The online article on this case in the Supreme Court carries a HYS section which is a further sign of the BBC’s obvious bias with a string of trolls for the UK side appearing with not a truthful or sensible word between them to say about Brexit

      The BBC used to be the Harrods of television broadcasting but now it’s beneath Home Bargains, way beneath.

    42. manandboy says:

      That’s James Wolffe, the Lord Advocate.

    43. Cuilean says:

      Everyone stopped what you are doing and watch ‘Who Is America’. Right now!

      It is very scary yet so funny at the same time and we all need a good laugh as we watch the clock down to No Deal Brexitmanship.

    44. yesindyref2 says:

      In other states governments of this current British type have been brought down by revolution

      Ah, here we go, troll encouraging violence – again.

    45. Effijy says:

      The Westminster propagand channel is out giving it the full Malky.
      Scottish Government Branded
      Nasty Scot gov at Loggerheads with God’s own Westminster Government,
      No right to decide such issues in Scots parliament.

      The BBC are the cancer in Scottish Democracy!

    46. Luigi says:

      No need to panic folks (at least not immediately). This is part of the tories’ ploy – along with their MSM chums they are deliberate;ly scaring the people so that when May comes back with the most awful deal imaginable, it will be hailed as a great victory, in true Britnat fashion. It will be a customs union a very soft BREXIT (in all but name – one must save face after all). All the expense of staying in the EU but this time with no say whatsoever. Overnight we morph from being an EU member to being an EU colony.

      All will be great and there will be no need for an other BREXZIT ref or another Indy ref.

      They are, of course, banking on the kippers south of the border and us nasty nats swalllowing it. High roisk strategy, but it’s all they have got. The best laid plans of mice and men…..:)

    47. ScottieDog says:

      Maybe we should comission a brexit version of ‘when the wind blows’

    48. One of the emergency powers that the UK Gov has incase of food shortages is to round up family pets,


      and use them to feed the security services and Ruth Davidson,

      true story.

    49. Thepnr says:


      The BBC are the chancer in Scottish Democracy!

      Both views are true.

    50. Capella says:

      I don’t remember who posted this link to a Guardian article about MI5 and the Thatcher government blacklisting “subversives” in the civil service and schools. But it is an interesting read.

      “Subversives” includes Trotskyists, Communists, Fascists, Welsh and Scottish Nationalists, black or Asian exremists or anarchists.

      It does not include Eton-educated Oxbridge toffs who engineered BREXIT and other calamities.

      Robert Peffers will be proud to note that there were “ 111 at the Ministry of Defence, many of them at the Royal Naval dockyards at Rosyth.”

      Well done Robert.

    51. Raymond Snoddy, Newsnight presenter 2004 to 2012 has a piece in the Radio Times in which he highlights the bias of the BBC in giving undue air time to pro Brexit politicians. He discusses the complaint submitted by Lord Adonis against the BBC on this issue. Adonis is arguing that the BBC is breaking the Royal Charter in the way they are presenting a heavily biased reporting of the Brexit issue.

      He does not mention the Scottish Referendum and the utterly disgraceful behaviour of the BBC to this day on the issue of Scottish Independence. Scotland does not exist for the Establishment figures. Scotland and her representatives are treated with open contempt in Pariament. We need a more aggressive presence in Parliament and we need to stop playing by Westminster rules. Look at the upswing in SNP membership after the walkout. We need more of this type of response to Westminster contempt.

    52. Shinty says:

      Spare a thought for the folk that can barely afford their weekly messages, let alone stocking up.

    53. Thepnr says:

      This is truely astonishing. I mean I thought that a UK freed from the EU straitjacket would be doing it’s own comprehensive free trade deals with the whole world their oyster.

      Well it seems that may not quite be the case according to a House of Commons Library report issued today.

      The UK Government has said it is seeking to rollover the EU’s free and preferential trade agreements covering more than 70 non-EU countries.

      The EU currently has more than 1,000 international agreements with non-EU countries covering myriad regulatory and policy issues. It is not clear how many require action to ensure continuity in the UK’s relations with these countries post-Brexit.

      This entire farce gets more and more ridiculous by the hour.

    54. One_Scot says:

      I swear to God if Scotland does not vote Yes this time then we really are too thick or it is a fix.

    55. Thepnr says:


      “Spare a thought for the folk that can barely afford their weekly messages, let alone stocking up.”

      I’m sure all Wingers would agree with that sentiment, I certainly do. It’s the one reason I just can’t see Armageddon happening as it couldn’t last long without a complete breakdown in law and order that would be uncontrollable.

      No government would take that risk ever. Smoke and mirrors.

    56. Robert Peffers says:

      @Capella says: 24 July, 2018 at 5:58 pm:

      ” … Robert Peffers will be proud to note that there were “ 111 at the Ministry of Defence, many of them at the Royal Naval dockyards at Rosyth.”
      Well done Robert.”

      Yup! We had a joint Shipbuilding, Ship Repair and ship refitting Trade Union conference from all Scotland.

      Among the many Trades Union delegates there were mostly Labour, many Communist and, believe it or not, a few Tory shop stewards sent as delegates, and just one lonely SNP Shop Steward – guess who?

    57. mike cassidy says:

      Food shortages, eh.

      Obesity crisis sorted.

      Massive reduction in immediate and longterm SNHS spending.

      Its true, I tell you. It’s true!

    58. Ken500 says:

      Run to the hills. Vote for Independence. Appeal to the EU and International organisation. The lack of Democracy is obvious.

    59. Dan Huil says:

      Mundell is, of course, a tractor. His fellow rabid British nationalists no doubt agree with him that a No Deal brexit is preferrable, in their swivelling bloodshot eyes, to Scotland’s independence. They would gladly see the majority of people in Scotland suffering the unfair effects of a britnat brexit if it meant keeping the butcher’s apron flying.

      Mundell and his ilk are scum.

    60. Robert Peffers says:


      London Crossrail running £600 million over budget.

    61. Hamish100 says:

      How quiet are the tory and labour front benches. Tompkinson Davidson and the rest. Useless.

    62. call me dave says:

      Been quite a day init!

      So many false stories that used to prop up Better Together all gone for good this day.

      One last one which has also emerged is the Ex Pat pensions paid like clockwork to all in the European warmer climes cannot be guaranteed to continue under the present arrangements.

      Some delays expected and those NHS agreements X-border in EU also in peril.

      I wasn’t worried about a Government of National Unity or even a State of Emergency or stocking the freezer…. but Jeez!

      Although I’ve a plentitude of popcorn currently. 🙂

    63. Lenny Hartley says:

      Call me dave, as I understand it its only private pensions that may be affected, they will still get them paid to a UK Bank account although that could cause some issues?

    64. vlad (not that one) says:

      @One_Scot 6:15 pm
      I for one am very, very suspicious of postal votes. I wonder if the Scottish Government can come up with some foolproof way of reducing chances of fraud, while retaining the possibility of postal voting for those who need it.

    65. call me dave says:

      @Lenny Hartley

      Hmmm! Ok thanks for correcting me.

      I was reading it this morning on some facebook link and I took the other meaning that it was state pensions…but I’ll go fishing again after I catch the Hearts V Cowdenbeath game.

      Only the best games eh… 🙁

    66. shagpile says:

      I have been saying for years thus was always so.

      As for indyref II, those are the terms. It will always be about British nationalism v Scottish nationalism.

      There are those swing voters who relate to neither of those. Those are the hearts we must win.

      Lets just do it. We must. For the sake of our youth, our children and grandchildren. It is our future, not romantic notions of empire and the past which must be sold. Every empire wanes. History books are full of it. Wake up! Dust youselves down romantics and be part of a future stable and prosperous Scotland.

    67. call me dave says:

      Found this link. hope it works.
      You seem to be correct but I am still not clear.

      OK footie time.

    68. One_Scot says:

      Vlad I hear you. I believe if the postal votes are tightened up we win, if not we lose.

    69. Looks like the UK Gov are dumping some bad news just before they fly off to Benidorm for the summer,

      cancelled order for new frigates,

      and Crossrail (some train track in London) is already £600,000,000 over budget,

      and no pensions if you live outside the UK,

      and maybe start thinking about hoarding some essentials like food and water just incase,

      that`s them off till the 5th Sept.

    70. yesindyref2 says:

      Interesting watching the Herald at the moment, its latest headline: “‘Utterly shocking’ blow to Scots shipbuilding as plan for new frigates is halted“.

      @Robert Peffers “London Crossrail running £600 million over budget

      That’ll be 10%, i.e. £60 million for the ScotGov as contrary to opinions, Crossrail spending does attract Barnett but not for the private investment, only for the bit the taxpayers pick up – which includes the tab for going over budget.

    71. Petra says:

      @ vlad at 7:31pm …… “Postal Votes.”

      They seem to have an excellent system in Northern Ireland, vlad. Maybe that could be adopted?

    72. yesindyref2 says:

      Bliddyy Hill, some complete clown, errr, really nice guy has made a whole series of tweets about the UKSC thing, now I’ll just huv to read them 🙁 Link from LPW

    73. yesindyref2 says:

      This is one we all commented on at the time by the way – the precise timing and hence need to get the Continuity Bill in in time:

    74. Capella says:

      @ Robert Peffers – I knew you would be in the thick of it keeping the flag flying. Your efforts obviously didn’t go unnoticed by the spooks! 🙂

    75. Orri says:

      8000 MOD personnel we’re told are all brave sojers defending Blighty suffering the indignity of paying a wee bit extra due to being posted to Scotland. At a rough estimate their rank for that level of pay would make them about 1/9 of the total strength. Either someone’s exaggerating for effect or there’s 72,000 armed forces personal in Scotland or there’s a bookkeeping exercise posting them all to Scotland where they get a Scottish Tax code and as such would be eligible to vote in indyref2 if that was a requirement. Certainly a strategic method of packing ballot boxes in other elections and votes.

      It’d also be a handy way to assign spending to Scotland that doesn’t actually happen here.

    76. Calum McKay says:

      Poor and vulnerable people will be first in line to be hurt by brexit. They have nothing in reserve and live a hand to mouth existence dependent upon the austerity crumbs thrown from society”s table.

      tories will be alright, I include Darling and other labour luvies amongst this section of society. They have an over abundance of wealth, so much so they hand it down through generations. Ultimately, they decide who gets what and they draft the stories that justify wealth’s distribution!

      In a civilised society tories would not exist, part of the vision for an independent Scotland, tories would be extinct!

    77. yesindyref2 says:

      That Graeme Cowie comnmentary on the UKSC is excellent by the way, Phillip Sim BBC is looking in it as well.

    78. heraldnomore says:

      A wee aside. Picked up an ice cream, in rural North Holland, earlier today. Creme de Catalana. Needed some solidarity and delicious it was. Be good to see that one in some of the gelatarias when I get back home.

    79. misteralz says:

      Oooh, Heraldnomore, Where was that? I’m just outside Alkmaar…

    80. sandy says:

      Further to my post @ 4.31pm, should Scotland get control of her immigration & Mundell goes over the border to kiss some aristocratic a**e, can we stop the sleekid little worm’s re-entry?

      Don’t get me wrong. I generally have no opinion of somebody I haven’t personally met but this is one great exception. Can this excuse for a Scot sleep straight in bed at night? Come Independence, & he is still in Scotland, he ought to be arrested & tried for TREASON.

      A point, tho’. I believe execution is still in English law for treason but wouldn’t it be better if he were allowed to go free on English social benefits in England. After all, what respectable English employer would employ a such known liar, cheat, twisted excuse for a human being.

      Rant over. Maybe!

    81. msean says:

      Remember Gordon Brown claiming things about independence re transplants and other medical issues.

      It was obviously rubbish,but,who would’ve thought the UK would be the one to *actually* plan stockpiling food,medicines and whatever substances of human origin turns out to be.Blood and organs?

      Never EVER tell Scots how bad stuff ‘could’ get with independence,it would never get this bad ffs.

      Tories and other Brexiteers,with straight faces,actually telling us about stockpiling food and essentials.Must be time for another poll telling us independence won’t work,it’s been a couple of days since the last one,after all. 🙂

    82. yesindyref2 says:

      Here’s an interesting one, at the heart of a lot of it perhaps:

      Advocate General says that the logic of this argument is Scottish Parliament could legislate for another independence referendum #klaxon and save it by saying the Act only comes into effect when they’re granted competence to do it.

      (don’t forget the AG is Westminster’s man, this isn’t directly about the S30, but in political effect it is)

    83. haudonthenoo says:

      Fluffy would never be denied re-entry. Surely not.

    84. yesindyref2 says:

      I’m just up to the end of the AG case, seemed a bit tentative to start with but finished strongly. Now for our “Scotland’s Champion”, the LA!

    85. heraldnomore says:

      Just down the road misteralz, Castricum. Was in Alkmaar t’other day, new AZ shirt for wee man. Might kill a few hours at the cheese market on Friday, before the ferry home.

    86. yesindyref2 says:

      Interesting comment that the LA apparently killed time so as not to make his next submission until fresh tomorrow. Timing is everything.

      Oh well, back to reality.

    87. Thepnr says:

      @Chang Sha

      Cheers for the link to the Fintan O’Toole article in the Irish Times, he’s one journalist always worth reading.

    88. heraldnomore says:

      Misteralz, Marx O’Larry is the place to go. Sounds local eh…

    89. Petra says:

      FGS just watching Rip it Up (Scottish bands) and Muriel Gray’s never been off of the screen. Ruining it! She should stick to the GSofA, imo. Then again …

    90. Iain mhor says:

      Stockpiling eh? Hah! How long do you think you can make it last?
      The DWP have been very circumspect in training the most vulnerable in society in how to survive with bugger all for years. The Tories really did care all this time. They are not the soulless demons they are villified to be. There is a whole support network we can turn to now for advice. You did remain on charitable terms with the dole scum and disabled I hope? Oh deary me…Their price to you may be high I fear.

    91. Arbroath1320 says:

      So glad to see that my preparations made earlier this year were not in vain. 🙂

      The first container deliveries I ordered earlier in the year are scheduled for delivery later this week. Confirmation has been received that they are IN country and HAVE passed through Customs. 😀

      I can hardly wait for the containers to arrive … one stuffed to the gunnels with pop corn and the other one stuffed to the gunnels with Irn Bru.

      In fairness the second container really shouldn’t have required to go through Customs but it had passed Customs outbound to an overseas customer and missed the boat … as they say 😀 so it was redirected to li’l old me! 😀

      Future containers are anticipated in the near future. 🙂

    92. Robert Peffers says:

      @Capella says: 24 July, 2018 at 8:23 pm:

      ” … I knew you would be in the thick of it keeping the flag flying. Your efforts obviously didn’t go unnoticed by the spooks!”

      Well, Capella, believe it or not they were not at all worried about the SNP about that time. Probably thought we were harmless and nothing to worry about. It was the Communists that bothered them. Cold war and all that. I had as high a security clearance as it is possible to get. I could walk into Government top secret places without questions being asked.

      I’ve been in most of the places like The MOD’s Science and Technology Laboratory (Dstl) (Porton Down). The Institute of Naval Medicine, (it is a leading authority on the effects of radiation).

      I worked in the RADIAC Lab where we tested, repaired and calibrated instruments for working with Nuclear and other radiations, (like X-Rays), and also biological and chemical weapons instruments.

      Mind you I doubt I would get security clearance these days as Westminster probably rates the SNP and YES supporters a greater threat to the UK than the Russians.

      That doesn’t mean they didn’t keep a wary eye on us but I believe, by that time, they knew the SNP worked by democratic and legal methods.

    93. Rock says:

      One_Scot says:
      24 July, 2018 at 6:15 pm

      “I swear to God if Scotland does not vote Yes this time then we really are too thick or it is a fix.”

      Rock (27th August 2017 – “Underneath the Goodyear blimp”):

      “Scotland was on the verge of independence immediately after the Brexit vote.

      The unionist parties were without leaders and completely lost, the SNP had 56 out of 59 MPs and 50% of the vote, the EU’s eyes were (favourably) on Scotland.

      But Nicola squandered a once in a 1000 years golden opportunity by wasting more than a year flogging a dead horse – a separate deal for Scotland which was never going to happen.

      The result: Nicola outsmarted by the collusion between Saints Theresa and Ruth on one hand, and Corbyn on the other, fall in SNP support from 50% to 37%.

      It is my prediction that there will be a “snap” Brexit and the SNP will be caught napping and unable to hold a second independence referendum.

      Or another “snap” Westminster election with the SNP again losing support.

      Despite the pretendy “sovereignty” and boasting of the clueless pompous armchair pundits posting here, Scotland is again as far away from independence as ever.”

    94. K1 says:


    95. Petra says:

      ITV News: Charlie Rowley and novichoc. Reporting it’s a “Russian chemical weapon.” Not telling anyone that they probably have it at Porton Down, England, a few miles from Charlie’s front door.

    96. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Rock at 10.05

      This is now infantile and obviously you think you are discussing with half-wits.

      Not the thirty thousand half wits that just joined the SNP of course.

    97. stu mac says:

      @Thepnr says:
      24 July, 2018 at 3:30 pm

      This sounds like utter madness and it is utter madness yet even with that, across the UK 47% still want to leave the EU.


      But that’s the thing. There is a natural reaction against admitting we are wrong about anything. With some folk this is so strong that they find it near-impossible to admit – even to themselves – that they have made bad mistake. They start justifying it and ignoring the real evidence in front of their eyes. It’s one reason how con-men (which includes many politicians) get away with cons.

    98. Greannach says:

      Can it be that omni-talented Dominic Raab has been sacked? That lasted about as long as a Trump appointment.

      I’m putting my feet up, sitting back and thoroughly enjoying the fun. If only we had media in Scotland to add to the hilarity.

    99. yesindyref2 says:

      Interesting report on STV about the UKSC, gave far more time to Keen, but then he has finished his case with just a reply tomorrow. Whereas Wolffe continues tomorrow, and presumably has the main part ahead. It did show Wolffe making the point about it the case not being about politics, but about Law, and it seemed to me half of Keen’s submissions were politics based, not law “it won’t help us in negotiations”. Well, tough, it’s the law that’s important, this is a court of Law.

    100. robert alexander harrison says:

      Oi dick Leonard if you don’t like then do something about it one way is to back Scottish independence but you lot love being puppets of England and Leonard hasn’t the guts to go for it like other English do here as to him as that means betraying his country of England and he’d never do it the Yorkshire chicken he is.

    101. Roger says:

      I know everybody has probably seen this already, but…
      am I hallucinating? The Gruaniad has a story about how the government is warning about food and medicine running out.

      The world’s gone mad! (again!)

    102. yesindyref2 says:

      As I said elsewhere, Richard Leonard was born in Yorkshire, kidnapped by Scotland, and is now one of the Scottish People.

    103. Petra says:

      Is Robbins taking over from Raab now? FGS. That lot should be cancelling their holidays and dealing with this crisis: Brexicide.

    104. Thepnr says:

      I think it’s about time that we started fighting the British Nationalist propaganda with propaganda of our own.

      Now that won’t be easy of course as their propaganda can attack our public services by telling us how rubbish they are through their media or by persuading food manufacturers to put Union flags all over their produce in an attempt to enforce the belief that our supermarket shelves would be empty after Independence as everything in it is “Made In Britain”.

      Our propaganda can only be spread by word of mouth but that can be effective in itself. Instead of talking up Scotland we should be doing down the performance of the Westminster government. Let’s face it there are plenty of areas in which to attack.

      So next time you get the chance to discuss Independence with a switherer try pointing out the following.

      1. Austerity has made us all poorer, increased homelessness and allowed foodbanks to flourish. For everybody that is except for those it has made richer and they are definitely not supportive of Independence.

      2. The NHS has deteriorated under their rule and things are only so much better in Scotland because it’s a Scottish government in charge and not Westminster.

      3. Crime is increasing greatly except in Scotland where recorded crime is at an all time low. The fact that policing and law is in the control of the Scottish government and not Westminster is the reason for that.

      I’m sure you could all come up with some of your own and my point is let’s start telling every No voter how shite rule is from Westminster and how better it is when Scotland has the levers of power and control.

      Westminster Isn’t Working! so let’s all keep telling people that.

    105. Albert Herring says:

      “After all, what respectable English employer would employ a such known liar, cheat, twisted excuse for a human being.”

      The House of Lords.

    106. Albert Herring says:

      Missed out the “” in “respectable”.

    107. HandandShrimp says:

      I’m beginning to think that post Brexit the population of the UK will slowly wander around en masse looking for brains to eat…or is that the zombie apocalypse? It is getting hard to tell the difference. The Cabinet seem to be already infected.

    108. Petra says:

      @ Roger at 11:02 ……. “Food and medicine running out.”

      Seems this will more than likely happen if there’s a no deal Brexit Roger, but don’t worry Dominic Raab is now in charge of that area and is dealing with it. Been sent out with the shopping list as we speak. The up-side to all of this is that obesity in the UK will soon be a thing of the past and with lack of medicine the bloated population (the sick, elderly and disabled) that the Tories complain about will be in decline.

    109. yesindyref2 says:

      Well, as Westminster is out, and Holyrood is out, and Scotland’s Champion is fighting our corner in the UKSC, I think today is officially the start of the unofficial Indy Ref 2 campaign, and from now a fair number of my postings here and there will have a bit of Indy content 🙂

    110. Thepnr says:


      Official or unofficial we are now in a campaign for our Independence.

    111. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      I am disappointed at the responses to Kevin Hague though his attack seems to have had a lot less traction than was expected. Laying aside the fact that I think the Growth Commission has been a mixed bag for us as I don’t think in the balance that it was necessary as it has given our opponents a target the responses to Hague should have been

      So after 310 years of a union you are telling us that Scotland is an economic basket case and a beggar state and this is the benefit of the union.
      So you think the Scots are the only people on earth too stupid to run their own economy?
      and engage no further than that with him

    112. Roger says:

      “should be doing down the performance of the Westminster government”

      But how could you possibly find fault with such a perfect institution? Don’t you know it’s “Thong and Table”….or some such.

    113. Thepnr says:


      Thought you might be interested in this story.

      Britain and EU formally start splitting WTO membership agreements

      Britain’s government says that only minimal changes will be needed in the text and it does not expect any difficulties, apart from potentially in agriculture.

      Seven agricultural suppliers – including the United States, Canada and Australia – have already said they disapprove of the terms of the divorce, since they will lose flexibility to switch exports between Britain and the rest of the EU.

      Their objections are likely to force Britain into a wider negotiation, said David Henig, a former British trade official who now leads the UK Trade Policy Project at the European Centre for International Political Economy (ECIPE).

    114. manandboy says:

      The choice is clear – either the UK is virtually destroyed by a hard Brexit , or, the Tory Party is destroyed by cancelling Brexit.

      Either way, only Independence can save Scotland.

    115. Valerie says:

      @ Thepnr

      That’s an issue that seems about to burst onto to the scene. WTO really kicking off, as Boeing has initiated disputes.

      It’s all in response to Trump’s trade war. Yank companies going to WTO to raise dispute processes over unfair competition.

      Looks like it’s USA vs EU at the moment, and here we are, sitting ducks.

    116. Robert Peffers says:

      @Petra says: 24 July, 2018 at 10:15 pm:

      ” … ITV News: Charlie Rowley and novichoc. Reporting it’s a “Russian chemical weapon.” Not telling anyone that they probably have it at Porton Down, England, a few miles from Charlie’s front door.”

      These claims implying that only Russia has novichoc is utter claptrap and Porton Down will most certainly have it for Porton Down makes and keeps samples of all such weapons for a very good reason.

      They not only are constantly developing anything new they can dream up but they research and develop antidotes to be used in the event of enemy attacks. Furthermore they must keep at least small samples in order to check comparisons – otherwise how could they identify any such weapons?

      But the implication that only Russia can make novichoc is bunk because novichoc was researched and produced in order to be cheaply and easily made and the raw materials it is made from are not only perfectly safe as long as they are not brought together.

      An analogy is that they are like Araldite in that they are made in two parts and the two parts are kept apart until required for use.

      This makes novichoc safe and easy to handle and transport because it only becomes a deadly poison when the two parts are brought together as that, like Araldite, initiates a chemical reaction.

      BTW: the raw ingredients can be bought by anyone, they are so safe they are not even on the restricted lists, and at least one of the ingredients is a very common garden weed killer.

      Any chemistry student could produce the stuff for there is no requirement for a chemical plant. Just mix the ingredients for each of the two parts in the correct quantities, (being careful to keep the two finished individual mixed parts separate until required for use).

    117. Robert Peffers says:

      Anyway, I was looking forward to a decent nights sleep and had got ready for bed well before midnight.

      Then just before putting one computer to sleep mode and the other to hibernate mode. One decided to do a massive download and install.

      Yeah! As I typed this it has just shut down and begun a reset. So it took over 2.5 hours to get itself sorted out and restarted. Unfortunately I have an early medical appointment so won’t get to lie in.

    118. Cactus says:

      David Mundell, a politician, a so-called Secretary of State of Scotland…

      “A no deal is better than being a normal independent country.”

      Like ahhhhh ha ha ha ha ha.

      It’s your turn Scotland.

      Turn it around.

      Be shocked!

    119. Cactus says:

      Brexit bunker checklist:

      – baked beans
      – bread (no electricity to freeze, damn it)
      – bovril (x5 gallons)
      – soup
      – water
      – a cow (for milk)
      – frosties (see above)
      – sweeties
      – limes
      – coconuts
      – cake

      What’s in yours?

    120. Cactus says:

      Or you could just vote yes this time to being an independent country and go to the shops and pay normal prices just like every other international European country does do. Perceive being independent as returning to normal. There’s a big world-wide family out there.

      What’s your contingency plan for UKexit, voters…

      And where do U stand fellow Scot?

      You have two options.

      U may choose.

    121. Cactus says:

      Now is the time to stock up…

      – pizza
      – rice
      – pasta
      – garlic
      – ginger
      – more water
      – tinned plum tomatoes
      – tin opener
      – pot noodles
      – supa noodles
      – sugar
      – salt
      – malt
      – wine
      – beer
      – cider
      – more water
      – freddos
      – potatoes
      – kfc


    122. yesindyref2 says:

      Good to know the UK has actually been doing something about WTO. And then the article drops this in: “WTO members will have three months to review the schedule, which will be considered to be approved if there are no objections from other members

      Mmm. Well, let’s hope for the best.

      Meanwhile I’m increasingly thinking it’s not just Indy we’re campaigning for, it’s our survival and escape from abject poverty, or abjecter than we have now. No Smilie.

      I also think the Herald is getting agitated. It really doesn’t like the T31e “shelving”, and though there are a couple of mistakes, I’m just going to leave them to it, as the article has real impact – and anger. And so it should.

    123. Cactus says:

      Mornin’ yesindyref2.

      Yer right, it is an escape, we’re fighting for our very freedom.

      What you got stocked up in your brexit bunker SO far…

      Halloween time will be interesting.

      Where will Scotland be this time next year?

    124. yesindyref2 says:

      @Dave McEwan Hill
      He has the media ear that’s the problem. Or did, chances are he’s trashed himself – and it’s the tweets what done it. Have a gander at his twitter, meltdown. He’s actually pleading with Andrew Wilson to agree recent comments about “if Scotland had been independent 10 years ago” are spin.

      ‘Tis sad.

    125. yesindyref2 says:

      Nothing yet, but don’t forget bottled water – a good few 5 or 10 litre bottles if you can get it cheap, or if Scottish Water put up a standpipe and issue supplies for any reason. Beans are good, powdered milk, tea (antioxidants), oxo, dried herbs, lentils, split peas, rice, pasta, vit c tablets + some other supplements, can’t really remember what I did for y2k 🙂 Would have lasted 3 months though, we were using it for a year after nothing happened ( I wasn’t surprised, but just in case). Some of it is still probably hidden under the floorboards. After 3 months then either Greece has sent over aid, or we’re doomed.

    126. ScottieDog says:

      Job guarantee scheme – something which was considered pretty much normal post war..
      And is gaining great traction in the U.S…

      Be a great policy for an independent Scotland…

    127. ScottieDog says:

      Get a bread maker and buy in flour.
      Also some chooks. Highly recommend them. Good way to start the day and they are sociable creatures. Whenever I start digging a hole they are round me in no time -looking for worms.

      Plant some tatties and other stuff which will grow easily in your soil (note that can easily be on a balcony in pots if you don’t have a garden…

      We should be striving to grow more of our own anyway. When global temperatures really start to affect wheat, rice production etc, everyone will be doing it.

      Strange times.

    128. John Dickson says:

      How do you spell Mundell?

      Answer = Quisling

    129. Kangaroo says:

      Growing Veggies at Home

      Check out the youtube videos from “Home Grown Veg”. Fairly sure he is from Yorkshire but shows how to get good output from pots.

      Try run by Coopers Brewery but can get lots of different beers. A much cheaper option than buying commercially brewed beer. Just started my first brew here in NSW.

      Outlet in Glasgow
      I have no financial interest in Coopers or innhousebrewery.

    130. Smallaxe says:

      Scottish Parliament “subordinate” claims UK Govt in Supreme Court challenge;

      Now this is interesting – snuck out as the Commons winds down it confirms what has been the case – disastrously it has to be said – for a long time; the PM is steering the #Brexit ship….straight for the rocks …;

      Call for Westminster probe into Tory ‘dark money’ donations;

      unionists leafletting;

    131. Smallaxe says:

      Same old same old;

      Cannabis-derived medicinal products recommended to be available on prescription;

      Mearns farm loses £350,000 as fruit left to rot due to picker shortage;

      The Economics of Delusion;

    132. Smallaxe says:

      A dangerous void where government should be;

      No-deal Brexit will make it ‘illegal’ to pay pensions to retired British expats living in EU, MPs told;

      Brexit: arguing Black is white

      Anger as Welsh foods branded British at Royal Welsh Show;

    133. Smallaxe says:

      DUP suspend Ian Paisley;

      The DWP wants to start spying on disabled children in case they’re ‘benefit cheats’;

      All the bad news Theresa May’s government just tried to bury;

      Criminals could sneak through UK border under ‘calamitous’ no-deal Brexit outcome, MPs warn;

    134. Smallaxe says:

      ‘No deal’ Brexit is ‘Armageddon scenario’ for farming, NFU President warns;

      Truman Show Scotland;

      Meat inspectors shortage ‘crisis’ blamed on Brexit;

      Government plan to fly in medicines for millions of patients in case of no deal Brexit revealed;

    135. Smallaxe says:

      Jeremy Corbyn: Bring manufacturing ‘back to Britain’;

      UK on verge of Newcastle Disease as disease hits poultry across Europe;

      Germany to help Brits stay EU citizens during Brexit transition period;

      ‘It’s not going to be a great meeting’: Trump to welcome European Commission head;

    136. Smallaxe says:

      Glass Bottle Inside a Box Carried Poison, British Victim Says;

      What will the impact of ‘no deal’ planning be?;

      Department for Exiting the EU no longer responsible for exiting the EU;

      Here’s the big mistake the UK’s lawyer made in his message to the Supreme Court;

    137. Smallaxe says:

      Supreme Court to hear defence of Scottish Brexit Bill;

      Scottish Labour leader urged to speak out on anti-Semitism;

      Arron Banks denies payment to African minister was a bribe;

      Light the Saltire Blue touch paper;

    138. Smallaxe says:

      Carrot and stick, but mainly stick!
      by Macart

      Senior SNP MP slammed for claims nationalists would vote for Thatcherism again (Warning, Daily Record);

      Have a great day, Wingers.

    139. Breeks says:

      Dave McEwan Hill says:
      24 July, 2018 at 11:47 pm
      I am disappointed at the responses to Kevin Hague though his attack seems to have had a lot less traction than was expected. Laying aside the fact that I think the Growth Commission has been a mixed bag for us as I don’t think in the balance that it was necessary as it has given our opponents a target….

      The problem with Kevin Hague isn’t Kevin Hague. The problem with Mundell isn’t Mundell. The problem is Scotland has had over 300 years of Hague’s, Mundells, Torrance’s, Davidson’s and their ilk, all of them far too keen to forfeit Scotland’s interests and enjoy, yes actually enjoy, the subjugation of our Nation and it’s people.

      We live in a system which has produced “them” for over 300 years, and still produces “them” in significant and threatening numbers.

      When fighting an enemy with the power to renew itself, then your own side needs to have the will and resources to renew itself too, and keep fighting for the required ascendency to defeat the stalemate and win the battle of attrition.

      A quicker and more effective route to victory however is to attack and impair the mechanism and system which creates these “willing enablers” of Scotland’s self doubt and subjugation.

      If attacking Kevin Hague makes the next Kevin Hague patsy think twice about his allegiance before setting sail to smear and belittle Scotland’s rightful status as a Nation, then that’s a bonus and another soul kept light and saved from darkness.

    140. Macart says:


      Appreciated Smallaxe. Have a good one. 🙂

    141. Chinared says:

      Hi Wingers, I haven’t posted in a long while, not since The “Rangers” debacle years ago, but usually am a daily viewer of this site. I am teaching in China, 14-years now. I would love to come back to an independent Scotland.

      The other day I was on the BBC website pertaining to Brexit. I didn’t write a comment but I was voting on the like/dislike buttons. I usually voted with the Scottish nationalist and EU remainers. I voted on almost 200 comments. Next day I can not get on the BBC website. Effectively, I have been banned. I know it’s not the Chinese internet as I tried it on two other teachers computers and got on no problem. The BBC and democracy go hand in hand. Aye, right!!

    142. Smallaxe says:


      We appreciate your wise words, my friend. Enjoy your day. 🙂

    143. Smallaxe says:

      Corbyn echoes Trump as he outlines Brexit benefit;

    144. Ken500 says:

      The Greens and Airb&b. There are on average 15 family size apartments on Airb&b in Edinburgh and Glasgow. Out of a population of 2million. Not a consummate problem. The average cost for a standard hotel room at busy times is £300 a night with most accomadation being totally booked up. Festival time etc. With people having to stay miles away.

      There is a problem with airb&b. People are told the accomodation is available and booked. Then the proprietor has 24 hours to say it is not. This is often the case but two+ inquiries cannot be reserved or people can get charged fees or for accomodation twice etc. Especially at short notice. There is a warning to cancel. The price has to be fully paid on application. Not like other accomodation, where a deposit can be paid. Or it can be paid on arrival.

      Usually under the sale of facilities or goods there is an opportunity to cancel (7days?) without losing fees or deposit. No always clearly given under the small print. It can get frustrating constantly looking for alternative accomodation. Having been confirmed the accomodation is available. Having to make several inquiries.

    145. Ken500 says:

      May and Corbyn will go soon. Another election soon. The only way they can try and get out of their mess. The usual typical absolute shambles,

    146. Smallaxe says:

      24 to 25 Jul 2018 | 10:30
      THE UK WITHDRAWAL FROM THE EUROPEAN UNION (LEGAL CONTINUITY) (SCOTLAND) BILL A Reference by the Attorney General and the Advocate General for Scotland;

    147. orri says:

      The Novachock story if it was a TV cop show would be heading to an obvious conclusion that may yet point fingers at the Russians.

      You have a non fatal attack followed by recovery. You then have an announcement that the victims have received a ridiculous wodge of cash for their property.

      At that point more victims appear who’s finances we aren’t being told about but might be tempted by a pay off. If that’s the case the might also have been tempted with a simple “prank” spraying something around someone’s home.

      Obviously if he or they have been duped then going to the authorities might not be their first thought. Self dosing themselves on the other hand. Or perhaps deliberately making sure she take a bigger hit.

      Not remembering where the lethal perfume came from, my arse.

    148. Macart says:

      21st century UK.


    149. ScottieDog says:

      Ochhh reference the KH debacle, if it’s not him it’ll be someone else.
      The Scottish media are going to be working overtime throughout the brexit emergency alerts to paint a picture of Indy Scotland as much much worse – that was the reason for the KH publicity in the first place.

      It really is down to a question of how brainwashed and utterly naive the Scottish people actually are.
      Do people REALLY want the likes of Rees mogg negotiating trade deals on Scotland’s behalf?

    150. Effijy says:

      ITV NEWS last night heralding the end of the Tory pay cap for Nurses and Soldiers etc?
      No mention of how a Nurses pay has fallen in real terms by some 15%?

      The U.K. media insults us by suggesting a 2% pay rise after losing 15% is great, but then we are
      Told that there is no extra government money for the pay rise they are giving?

      Yet more cuts are to be made to pay for a rise equal to this year’s inflation rate.

      ITV put up a chart for Soldiers that proposed a 2% rise for an average soldier was equal to £900.00? My maths suggest that an average Soldier is on £45,000 and now on £45,900.

      How dumb are people to accept or believe such utter garbage as fact.

      Surely someone in the news team had to see these stats were no sense but then
      Again if their job demands that they don’t see it..

      This nerve agent story too is a complete farce.
      Would you send a very expensively trained agent
      Over to the UK with a perfume bottle full of a deadly liquid?

      How do we know it’s Russian?
      Did they give out samples of their formula to
      Enemy nations? Did they post the recipe on line?

      Would an Agent leave it in the Street for kids to find?
      Would top Russian Chemists make a most deadly liquid
      That sees 3 of the 4 people contaminated alive and healthy?

      It now seems the male survivor had a memory loss as he doesn’t know where
      He picked up the bottle?
      The Liquid has no affect on past memory!.

      The whole thing stinks of an incompetent Westminster plot.

    151. Macart @8.52 am
      Sam, it makes a mockery of the Brit Nat Alt Right WM Cabal, and I include that odious wee Marxist Militant ‘British Jobs for British Workers’ anti EU son of the former USSR xenophobe and apparent anti Semite, Corbyn in this ‘Cabal’, assuring us that there will be ‘adequate’ food on the 30th March 2019.
      Three million kids starving during the summer.
      Well done, Mum 2B Davidson
      They’ll all be ‘aspiring’ to get out of Victorian poverty by sticking in at school, getting their exams, and joining you Free Market Rat Race.
      From Thatcher through to the present day, and that includes the neo Conservative PFI Iraq Days of Blair Brown and Mandelson, the Brit Establishment has slowly dismantled Civic Society, and following No Deal in October, the Elirte Oligarchy will achieve its ultimate goal, the 51st State of the US, and sell off the NHS, the Welfare state, well, every publicly owned and run institution including the Police, fire services and GP Practices to the Yankee Dollar Men.
      We’ve got to get out of this place, before it really is the ‘last thing we ever do.’
      Elsewhere the excellent Fintan O’Toole suggests offering the Darling Duds of May the gift of more time.
      While I’m in the mood to quote lyrics,

      “I met a man whose name was Time
      And he said, “I must be goin,”
      But just how long that was
      I have no way of knowing

      Sometimes I want to murder time
      Sometimes when my heart’s aching
      But mostly I just stroll along
      The path that he is taking.”

      The absolutely feckin’ brilliant ‘October Song’:- Incredible String Band (1966).
      If we gave the Brit Nats ‘more time’ they would murder it.
      I see that the Supreme court will deliver their verdict ‘later in the year’.
      That’ll shut the Scot Nats the fuck up for the rest of the year. aye,right.

    152. Sinky says:

      After Kevin Hague we now have another cringer in Labour MP Paul Sweeney helping out the Tories on their ship building betrayal.

      As the SNP’s Chris McElney points out:

      Labour’s shipbuilding spokesperson here saying the Type 31 betrayal won’t impact the Clyde. Ferguson’s in Port Glasgow was in frame to benefit from this order. It’s like Labour don’t even recognise the yards existence because the Scot Gov helped save it from closure in 2014.

    153. auld highlander says:

      UK today = children going hungry, pensioners freezing, genuinely needy people loosing benefits etc etc.

      And the uk government spends billions to take a train link across london and another couple of billion to take their turds further down the thames, and 100 odd million to divert the thames (jubilee river) away from windsor and eton.

      That’s the selfish way of the uk today.

    154. dakk says:

      Seen on news last night that May has effectively put civil servant Olly Robins in charge of brexit.

      Finally we have the permanent custodians of the ‘country’ sliding into action.

      Raab’s discomfiture was palpable with Robins sitting imperious beside him.

      This way neither of the ephemerous red and blue tory party leaders will be allowed to make party politics with the Brexit deal.

      An alternative to a National government.The deep state in action.

      Soft Brexit much more likely now imo.

      I don’t think the xenophobic English plebs are revolutionary enough to revolt against an unknown apolitical grey suit.

    155. jfngw says:

      If as agreed by the UK Parliament, the people of Scotland are sovereign, then how are they being taken out of the EU after voting overwhelmingly to remain. Why is devolution effectively being repealed when Scots voted overwhelmingly for it.

      If Scots are sovereign then neither of these outcomes should be possible.

    156. Robert Peffers says:

      porridge, powdered milk, wire to make snares and a great big gun. There’s deer in them thar hills.

    157. Breeks says:

      Correct. Got it in one jfngw.

      Furthermore, it is so obviously true that any other conclusion which the Supreme Court comes to is going to look mightily suspect.

    158. Mr Raab looked extremely uncomfortable as he assured us that the Theresa in charge change was merely the Westminster deckchairs being rearranged.
      Like on the Titanic? That was a Freudian slip if you like.

    159. Robert Peffers says:

      @ScottieDog says: 25 July, 2018 at 6:00 am:

      Get a bread maker and buy in flour.

      Better also get a generator and a great big tank for fuel to power yer bread maker.

    160. jfngw says:


      If they conclude that Scots are not sovereign, they are coming to the determination that Scots are subservient to the people of England. I can’t see any other conclusion I can come to from such a ruling.

    161. Smallaxe says:

      Robert Peffers says:
      “There’s deer in them thar hills.”

      There’s also fish in the rivers, rabbits to long net and pheasants and ducks to pluck. Swan is tasty also, Sensei Peffers.

    162. Clydebuilt says:

      I see that Councillor Chris McEleny is calling for MOD work to go to Fergusons in Port Glasgow. Aye great Idea Chris, make the yard CAPTIVE just like Govan and Scotston, giving Westminister another weapon to use against us.
      Far Far better for Fergusons to stand on their own two feet.

    163. Macart says:

      *Breaks out fishing rods and slingshot* 😎

    164. Phronesis says:

      Scotland voted to remain in the EU. A small country with citizens who understand the importance of global trade and commerce aligned with ideals of social, environmental and economic justice. Britannia is unhinged and deranged, punch drunk and disorientated on the world stage. The end will be mercifully swift and painless as Scotland extracts itself and forms its own self- sustaining democracy.

      ‘The persistence of global imbalances and mounting perceptions of an uneven playing field for trade are fueling protectionist sentiment. These impulses are misguided. An escalation of protectionist policies would mainly hurt domestic and global growth, without much of an effect on current account imbalances, as this year’s report also finds.
      Finally, all countries should work toward reviving trade liberalization efforts while modernizing the multilateral trading system—for example, to promote trade in services, where gains from trade liberalization could be substantial. Such efforts may have small effects on excess current account imbalances, but they can have big positive effects on productivity and welfare, while reducing the risk that current account imbalances trigger counterproductive protectionist responses’

      ‘With Brexit, the EU will (inadvertently) effect by negotiation what Spain, France, and Germany have all been unable to realise through conquest. Sovereignty will be stripped away, and the country will be entrapped within a wider sphere of EU influence. It will be unable to determine the laws that will forever govern it and will fall into the abyss of an arrangement not experienced since the days of the Normans. The Brexit dream is dying. And it’s time for a People’s Vote…

      Parliament would be inflicting a negative supply shock upon the economy, with ruinous effects for incomes, living costs, and the competitiveness of business. Many Brexiteers insist this would propel the UK to invest in markets further afield – but it is an economic fantasy, detached from the realities of geography, supply and demand. This leaves various degrees of soft Brexit, each worse than the last’

      ‘The only problem with these claims that immigration reduces access to public services is that we know, with almost certainty, that the opposite is true: immigration creates net additional resources for public services. This is not complicated: they pay more in taxes than they take out because they tend to be of working age. But the myth that politicians and the media promulgate is that immigrants are somehow the reason access to public services has become more difficult, and they do this in large party to cover up the impact of austerity. There is a simply reason for this, beyond the propaganda, and that is that the EU is about harmonising regulations, and this harmonisation has brought benefits rather than pain to UK citizens’

      This is not fake news-this individual’s behaviour is set in concrete;

      ‘But Trump was not clean as a whistle. Beginning three years earlier, he’d hired mobbed-up firms to erect Trump Tower and his Trump Plaza apartment building in Manhattan, including buying ostensibly overpriced concrete from a company controlled by mafia chieftains Anthony “Fat Tony” Salerno and Paul Castellano…I’ve covered Donald Trump off and on for 27 years, and in that time I’ve encountered multiple threads linking Trump to organized crime…The picture shows that Trump’s career has benefited from a decades-long and largely successful effort to limit and deflect law enforcement investigations into his dealings with top mobsters, organized crime associates, labor fixers, corrupt union leaders, con artists and even a one-time drug trafficker whom Trump retained as the head of his personal helicopter service’

    165. Valerie says:

      So, govt capitalising on The Beatles episode. Not content with setiing aside UK opposition to death penalty, we now hear a Right wing think tank, has been working with Tom Turgenghat?(sp) to review treason laws.

      Of course, lots of venerable Tories want this, to no one’s surprise.

      So beware, Remoaners, we know we are are classed as treasonous.

    166. Gaelstorm says:

      OT I see that things are going to become even more interesting for Labour in Scotland.
      From April, the Welsh government get the power to vary income tax.
      What will they do, and how might it impact their branch here?

    167. Dr Jim says:

      Hospitals in England have been instructed not to treat people who are not verifiable *British* citizens
      So they want doctors to act as immigration controls so how do they do that? do they ask everybody who has a dark skin or a different accent to show proof of residence and even though doctors are refusing to carry out such checks because they’re stupid time wasting and downright insulting to probably most people doctors have proved that the cost to the NHS of treating non British patients is negligable

      So why does the English government want this

      No need to answer that question is there, get your private health insurance just over here at our Trumpy Excel Insurance desk at only a moderate cost and we’ll stop the bleeding immediately for you

      Is there anything else we can help you with today?

    168. galamcennalath says:

      Re Westminster challenges to Scottish sovereignty and the devolution settlement …

      If the benchmark for testing what the will of the Scottish people is established as NOT via Holyrood, nor any referendum called by Holyrood, then it must revert back to a general election to Westminster.

      The way the Tories are going, they risk a general election (which could be anytime) when the SNP stand on a manifesto to move immediately to independence. If WM casts doubt that our sovereignty lies with the people, but at WM, then that hands the issue of Indy to our MPs.

      50+% vote for SNP is possible if a GE becomes a de facto IndyRef2. If that could be achieved, who could challenge that as the will of the people?

      50+% SNP MPs elected is a near certainty at the moment. By WM’s dubious standards, even that should be enough to start the process, perhaps necessitating an IndyRef2.

    169. Sarah says:

      @Cactus, Scottie Dog, Robert Peffers: don’t bother with a bread machine. And don’t bother with the rules of breadmaking. I make a loaf which people say is “amazing” by just mixing the ingredients with my hand in a bowl, quite a wet mix, and put into the tins. The wholemeal stoneground supermarket flour, dried yeast, teaspoon or so of brown sugar, and [Maldon] salt, with or without a spoon of oil or piece of butter.
      My husband makes it as easily- as can really young children. White bread can do the same way but the brown is SO tasty!
      Google “Doris Grant loaf”.

    170. Capella says:

      Supreme Court live now, AXA case:

    171. Ken500 says:

      Frank Field actively supported and advocated welfare cuts and caps on income. Now complaining about them. Voted for Brexit and keeps the Tories in power. A total hypocrite.

    172. Breeks says:


      It’s all a bit Lion, Witch and Wardrobe at the moment…

      If you don’t focus too hard on the nitty gritty of actual definitive Sovereignty, you could argue that Holyrood is a construct of Westminster Government, a super committee if you like, which Westminster “gave” and which Westminster can thus “take away”. But that is the shallow and fickle logic of the Ice Queen.

      Aslan outsmarted the Ice Queen by apparently submitting to her power, allowing her to believe she was victorious, but possessing a deeper knowledgeable of a more ancient magic. In essesnce, when Westminster cites it’s sovereign authority to overrule Holyrood, Westminster forgets that it isn’t actually Holyrood that is claiming to be sovereign, it is the Scottish people. Westminster’s own “assumed” Parliamentary Sovereignty usurps and misappropriates Scottish Sovereignty, and it’s skating on pretty thin ice when claiming it has jurisdiction to do so.

      For Westminster to claim the Scottish People are not sovereign will require them to produce the proof Scottish Sovereignty was somehow removed from the people of Scotland, and which fantastical mechanism or ordinance was used to do it.

      Not to get bogged down in reference s from literature, the simple truth is Westminster’s claim to hold power over Holyrood is trumped by the Scottish people who “loan” Westminster it’s power in the first place. If we Scots, the origin point of Sovereign authority, decide we want to keep Holyrood, we can power it directly if we choose, and with or without diverting our Sovereign will through Westminster.

      Westminster might lock the doors of Holyrood if it pleases, but the Sovereign parliament of Scotland might assemble on the steps outside, resplendent in all its sovereign legitimacy.

      Holyrood, and the Scotland Act arguably, could all be a complete red herring. Westminster may or may not have the power to shut down Holyrood and remove the powers it bestowed in the first place, but pulling the wings off Holyrood is an altogether different issue than overruling Scottish Sovereignty. They are not the same thing at all.

      Our biggest problem is understanding the concept that Westminster has no hold upon our sovereignty. In essence, the only “power” Westminster has is power which is devolved to Westminster by the Sovereign people of Scotland in the first place. Neither we, nor Westminster seem to properly grasp the purest significance of Sovereignty.

      I don’t think they will, but Westminster could Perhaps win the “Battle of Holyrood”, but the Battle of Holyrood is just a proxy war for the real Battle of Scottish Sovereignty, and that is the only essential Constitutional battle that really counts, and which Westminster cannot win.

      Westminster could conceivably destroy Holyrood on its stone alter, just like the Ice Queen sacrificed Aslan, but that “victory” would be false and short lived, because the deeper ancient magic which the Ice Queen didn’t understand was that real Scottish Sovereignty is infinitely stronger than faux Westminster sovereignty. It is not about strength, convention, or chronology, but simple, indisputable, legitimacy.

    173. Ken500 says:

      Westminster is used to over rule Democracy in Scotland. Scotland is not treated equally in the Union, as agreed under the terms of the Act of Union. They have been broken repeatedly. Annulling the Act of Union. Brexit will finished it off. There will be another GE and another IndyRef. The Tories will lose. The only way for them to get out of the mess. A total shambles.

    174. Bill McLean says:

      o/t Chang Sha – intrigued and interested in linguistics. Is that the name of the city in Hunan you are using and if so why so?

    175. Glamaig says:

      Sarah says:
      25 July, 2018 at 10:33 am

      And Delia Smith quick brown loaf! sounds very similar.

      If you can’t afford the electricity for an oven, make chapatis.

    176. HandandShrimp says:

      The Supreme Court ruling is going to be interesting although it could be months before the adjudicate. Things might well have moved on by the time we get the ruling.

      However, if they strike down Holyrood it will not be a good look for Westminster especially as the tide against Brexit is becoming overwhelming in Scotland.

      If the Court rules in Holyrood’s favour it will be a thorn in Westinster’s side but only one of a hundred other thorns and I think they will still try to work around and against Holyrood.

      I would prefer for Holyrood to win but politically it might suit us better to lose.

    177. Thepnr says:

      The Supreme Court judges talking now of not leaving the EU at all! Tongue in cheek I think.

    178. Petra says:

      Jeezo, Smallaxe where to begin? I know I’ve said this before but if the general public could get access to the information that you’ve posted today Scotland would be free in a heartbeat and there would be riots down south.

      I don’t see a happy ending to any type of scenario now. The genie is out of the bottle and the populace of England will rebel no matter which way this goes: through anger or downright misery. At the end of the day we can’t dislocate from this landmass, so it’ll still have implications for us. All we can do now (and we will) is get our Independence to ensure that we Scots are making our own decisions: have total control over our Country.

      It’s a crying shame because when you get back to the basics, clear away the mountain of Brexit dross, this was in the main about immigration imo. Immigration that Theresa May et al had control over, something else that they’ve hidden from the populace, such as the ability to repatriate EU member nationals after three months if they hadn’t found a job or didn’t have the means to support themselves. Other countries, such as Belgium, regularly repatriate thousands of individuals based on the following EU directive. So why not the UK?

      We had control of our borders too, but that was ”undone” by Tony Blair in 1998 when he removed exit checks. This led to us not knowing who had left the country and who had remained, such as illegal immigrants.

      The government reintroduced exit checks in 2015, but these fall well short of the security checks required. Additionally Westminster has refused to release any statistics from these checks because they would demolish the anti-immigration stance taken by them.

      In other words the UK population (most of them) have been well and truly duped with immigrants being scapegoated to ensure that a handful of extremely rich people in the UK carry out their, imo, extremely sinister agenda.

      Being duped too if they think that getting rid of EU nationals is going to return England to it’s so-called former glory of scenic villages with duck ponds catering for white skinned folks only. The white faced EU nationals are going to be replaced by people with a darker tone of skin to fill their vacant posts and what then, when the penny finally drops?

    179. mike cassidy says:

      Sarah 10.33

      Without power, that’s just going to be edible playdo!

      Oh, we are all going to be so ww2 healthy again.

      Even nursery kids in England now that they’re getting that dangerous fullfat milk taken away. (not archiving)

    180. Kangaroo says:

      Mike Cassidy @11:53am

      By chance I was at a neighbours bottling some home brew and he showed me his no-knead bread which takes 18hours to ‘prove’. It is heavier than bread machine or kneaded bread, but apparently delicious. Suggest you google ‘no knead bread’ or look it up on Wikipedia.

    181. Jack Murphy says:

      Thanks smallaxe for all your links this morning, especially the one at 7:22am.
      This one is well worth a visit by the casual reader of Wings over Scotland:

      Truman Show Scotland;

      In the article this Twitter question is put to Tory Ruth Davidson MSP:

      “If this gets 500 retweets Ruth Davidson MSP will you give me a 20 minute interview on the Scots Tories’ connection to Russian Dark Money?”

      FULL ARTICLE is less than a 5 minute read. 🙂

    182. Capella says:

      Well that was an interesting morning at the Supreme Court. The Lord Advocate, James Wolffe QC, presented a very detailed case. Can’t claim to have followed all of it but seemed to demolish the Advocate General’s case comprehensively. Their Lordships and Ladyship will have to scroll through a lot of references to cover all the points.

      He was followd by Jeremy Miles, Counsel General for Wales, who blew gaping holes in the Advocate General’s case, with examples. Well worth listening to in detail. He spoke for approx 30 mins up to 1.00 pm.

      They’ve stopped for lunch now so the Northern Ireland Counsel must follow at approx 2.00.

      Noticed Joanna Cherry in attendance, listening to the presentations.

    183. ronnie anderson says:

      Cappella Joanna Cherry on a extended lunch break lol . All that waffle could have been cut short by James Wolffe if he had challenged the court on the Treaty of the Union & the Sovereignty of the Scottish People , but therein lies the deceit to the Scottish people .

    184. Daisy Walker says:

      beer bread – self rising floor, plus beer, mix to right consistency, put in oven.

      For fancy beer bread, take out a bit of the floor and swap in some oatmeal. brush with egg mix and add some seed or nuts on to.

      Makes fabulous toast. Cheap lager works the best.

    185. Sarah says:

      @Glamaig – that sounds right – quick bread is what it is.

      @ Mike Cassidy – WW2 diet was the healthiest ever!

      @Kangaroo – why does it take 18 hours? Even in the fridge I find yeast dough will rise in a few hours. Does your man’s not have any yeast?

      @Daisy Walker – that beer bread sounds good!

    186. Chang Sha says:

      @Bill McLean
      Named after a yacht / river boat which was once owned by members of my family
      See her history below ~ built in Scotland but spent most of her life on the Shannon

    187. Bill McLean says:

      Chang Sha – many thanks for your reply and the fascinating link – spent a bit of time on the Shannon myself. I lived in the Far East for a number of years and picked up a bit of Mandarin – enough to be able to translate most place names. I can’t read characters so may be wrong, but I think the meaning in your article is close to the real meaning of Chang Sha ie “long sand(bank)”. This would fit as the city lies at the confluence of the Xiao and Xiang rivers. Hunan – the province means “south of the lake”. Once again thanks for your reply and story. Scotland is Sukerlan in Mandarin so Sukerlan wann suey is Scotland forever. Sorry to everyone for the o/t

    188. Kangaroo says:

      Sarah @3:54pm

      No knead bread
      Yes it has yeast, but check out wikipedia, it says 18hrs too.

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