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They just can’t stop

Posted on July 03, 2014 by

Louise Morton is the Vice Chair of Moray Labour Party. She’s already familiar to some of our more veteran and alert readers for laughing when Yes activists were intimidated out of campaigning at a local fair with threats of violence.

Less than two days after Labour’s hapless candidate for the Westminster seat of Angus resigned for likening some children at a peaceful protest to the Hitler Youth, Ms Morton – whose son Sean is the party’s 2015 candidate for the Moray seat – thought it’d be a wizard jape to tweet this:

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It’s like a disease, readers. They can’t keep a lid on their hatred to save their lives.

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    1. Breastplate says:

      Oh dear, I’m pretty sure she shouldn’t have a ‘t’ in her name.

    2. Grouse Beater says:

      And another one bites the dust.

    3. Lindsey Smith says:

      O/T but anyone encountered tweet @psflaps? His ‘page’ has no information at all so wondered if it a front/troll baitbot. First encounter with totally blank bio.

    4. Taranaich says:

      See, when people call the Tories fascists, it’s because they keep armed bodyguards around their persons, invest heavily in war profiteering, cover up conspiracies and hush up unsavory files, prosecute and brutalise protesters, they enact fascist-leaning legislation and bills like the conscription act and gagging bill, and otherwise infringe on people’s personal rights and liberties.

      When people call Yes fascists, it’s because they don’t know what a fascist is apart from it’s a bad word.

    5. Dan Huil says:

      Labour’s inherent bile seeps from every pore.

    6. gordoz says:

      This will play as a Cybernat abuse situation in press; if reported at all.

      Still believe this all the fault of Scottish Press core for letting Darling ‘off the hook’ for New Statesmen ‘At Heart, At heart inflammatory comments.

      Since then its been open season for Labour ‘Bitters’ online.

      Oh well the more the merrier

    7. Bob Sinclair says:

      Lindsey Smith

      PS-Flaps twitter output seems remarkably similar to a certain R Whittington who is fond of asking for DIY advice here.

    8. gordoz says:

      Looks like another post went missing ?

    9. muttley79 says:

      I remember her! 😀 😀 Oh dear, do SLAB eject these people with an SNP hating virus or something? There does not seem to be a cure for it. So we are back to the Nazi/fascist smear again.

    10. indigo says:

      Anyone know any good psychologists who could explain the behaviour of Scottish Labour? I’d genuinely like to understand what on earth is going on and why there seems to be a culture within that organisation that permits, perhaps encourages, such language against a large segment of the Scottish population.

      It smacks of institutionalised behaviour of some sort, and social media is just the mechanism by which their rotten core is being revealed.

      After the insults hurled at our children and the repercussions from that, I am genuinely gobsmacked at the social media communications that have emanated from those close to the Labour hierarchy over the past 24 hours – Professor Stephenson in particular and what that revealed of her character – but this latest one is just idiotic. Why are they behaving in such a childish and arrogant way?

    11. gordoz says:

      Anyone know why this keeps happening ?

    12. Croompenstein says:

      So let’s recap..we are less well educated, less bright and now we are fascists(again). Great day keep em coming Stu 🙂

    13. Proud Cybernat says:

      I am not a fascist, Ms Morton. I am merely an ordinary proud Scot who will be voting YES. And, BTW Ms Morton, I am not a member of ANY political party.

    14. Paula Rose says:

      I don’t usually comment early on – but I have to ask – are there any Yes voting fascists out there? Suppose it would be silly of me to ask if there are any No voting fascists out there.

    15. Proud Cybernat says:

      Sorry… should have said “ordinary proud Scot” (no buts about it).

    16. Geoff Huijer says:

      They really have got the arguments of the school playground sussed eh?

      And people vote for the likes of this…?

    17. Kenny says:

      Will this one make it to Scotland 2014? They could add a wee lighthearted 30 second segment every night: “Embarrassing Labour Tweet of the Day.”

    18. Croompenstein says:

      I thought I had blended in ok but I probably gave the game away when I goose stepped doon to the Co-Op.

    19. Harry McAye says:

      The nastiness of the cybernats, eh?

      No point her apologising either, she clearly means it.

    20. Proud Cybernat says:

      Talk about being blinded by hatred. Extraordinary.

    21. galamcennalath says:

      Is absolutely everyone left in ScotLab rotten to the core? Has decency been totally banished?

      If there are Labour activists who agree this behaviour is dispicable, then it’s about time some of them showed a bit of backbone and jumped ship.

    22. gillie says:

      These are now career threatening comments by Morton. She will have to apologise and fast, otherwise her son will be tainted by association.

    23. Philosophical Dissonance:

      How can the gay-friendly, dispossessed supporting, homeless-housing, guestworker and immigrant welcoming, no established religion, constitutional mindeded be fascists when

      the anti-gay, border-desiring, benefit-cutting, foodbank-causing, rent-hiking, bedroom-taxing, state-religion, immigrant hating, rude, sectarian and xenophobic coalition of not-so-broad political ideologies get off as sanctified and jusftifiable.

      WHy are the name-callers (and bullies of the weakest) the Victims and the righteous.

      A vortex.

      Signed
      River Song Piebroch.

    24. Murray McCallum says:

      Moray New OneNation Labour have a history of twitter abuse and, like the very recent example, do not vet online behaviour.

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8610934.stm

      This seems to be a long standing issue. There is no quick-fix for this abusive mindset.

    25. Marcia says:

      I wondered when she was going to make an appearance. It was only a matter of time.

    26. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

      “Anyone know why this keeps happening?”

      Maybe because even though I keep telling people to report it to me via the Contact form, THEY KEEP DOING IT IN THE SODDING COMMENT THREAD ITSELF WHERE I’LL ONLY RARELY SEE IT?

    27. Muscleguy says:

      @Croompenstein

      Our local Co-op has closed for nearly two weeks for a refit and revamp. So I have to trek to the Sainsburys for stuff, though they don’t stock the nice Co-op own brand coffee and oat bikkies. I shall go cold turkey.

      Oh I nearly forgot the jam, Co-op jam is nicer and has more fruit in it too. I’m depressing myself.

    28. Conan_the_Librarian says:

      @ Bob Sinclair

      R Whittington = Rufus T Firefly

      One for the oldies…

    29. Croompenstein says:

      LOL I thought gordoz was referring to Better Together mongers tweeting obscenities and why it keeps happening 😀

    30. david anderson says:

      To be Franco I am a bit sick of all these accusations (I know, I know).

    31. Giving Goose says:

      I’m actually very saddened by all of this.
      What on earth has happened to Scotland?

      I used to think that the only dark side in Scottish society was the poisonous stuff that went on around the Orange Order and the associated thinking that went with it.
      How wrong was I!

      There is, without a shadow of a doubt, a perspective that has developed within the Labour Party that has allowed, or pushed members to view the world in a very narrow way.
      It is heart breakingly sad.

      I’m a person who views community in a very positive way. I yearn for people to pull together, regardless of there different political views.
      Goodness knows, but we all have to share the same country regardless of the result on 18th September.

      I’m not a Fascist.

      I’m a left of centre thinking person. I regard myself as a progressive thinker. I’m not the most articulate of contributors, I take the piss out of Labour, Lib Dems, Tories; a little satire does no one any harm, but the language coming from the No camp is just unbelievable.

      Has their world become so dark that they cannot view those who disagree with them in no other way than to compare them to Fascists and Nazis?

      The Labour party is often criticised for pulling to the Right, but that isn’t the whole story. It appears to have completely lost it’s way. It’s not a political party any more. It has become something else. Something that I don’t recognise anymore.

      You know, as a Scot, I would accept a No vote if it cleansed Scottish society of this appalling thinking on display from Louise Morton.

      I’d like to say to Louise that the only difference from my thinking and that of the Great Labour characters of the past, such as Keir Hardy, Aneurin Bevan and the like is that I don’t put my cross against Labour, but I’m still true to their ideals.

      Can that be said of you Louise, who likens me, a socialist thinker and compassionate voter with a Fascist?

    32. Corm says:

      “Anyone know any good psychologists who could explain the behaviour of Scottish Labour? I’d genuinely like to understand what on earth is going on and why there seems to be a culture within that organisation that permits, perhaps encourages, such language against a large segment of the Scottish population”.

      A Yes vote threatens their sense of self as they identify, weather openly or not or by being self aware of it or not as British first and a Yes to them destroys that, thereby destroying a part of their personal identity. The strong language is a product of that feeling, again weather recognised or not.

      Not that i’m a Psychologist. But there ya go.

    33. BrianW says:

      @ Murray McCallum

      I remember that story well.. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7570688/Labour-election-candidate-apologises-over-Twitter-rants.html

      I think they must cover “Being Vile” to your prospective electorate in the candidate induction course? I’ve just always hoped my Mum wasn’t in the same queue.

      Not to Worry.. She’s now a Fascist Coffin Dodger.. Phew! Close shave.. I could have come from a long line of habitual Labour voters.

      I emailed The Norther Scot (newspaper up there) to see if they would covering the story? I’m not too optimistic. cc’d in Angus Robertson too.. See what happens.

    34. steviecosmic says:

      Isn’t it highly ironic that almost every insult hurled at the SNP and the Yes side is a projection of their own behaviour?

      Fascist, in the modern parlance – oppressive, intolerant, genocidal, dictatorial, racist, agressive.

      Who fit’s that bill?

      SNP, a party who want more democracy, self determination, a written constitution, religious and racial equality, an education and health system based on need not means, a sovereign wealth fund to protect pensions for the vulnerable, an end to WMDs and a raft of policy measures to eradicate grinding levels of poverty, early death, disease and drug and alcohol abuse.

      or…

      Labour, a party who would rather Scotland had a government it didn’t vote for, with a make it up as you go along constitution set in another country, illegal wars in foreign lands, more nuclear weapons, nanny state security measures etc etc etc

      I’d say it was a better description of the Labour Party with regard to Scotland.

    35. Thepnr says:

      O/T This is no longer funny. I’m sick of the No side closing down debate. I posted on the FT site that this article was lazy journalism and his assertion that:

      “What polling that has been done on these non-voters turned referendum-voters suggests they are marginally more likely to be No voters than the average. Perhaps this is surprising: we may think that voters are being roused from their apathy by the promise of independence. But non-voters in Scotland are quite like non-voters anywhere else: poorer, less educated, and turned off by traditional politics. If they would have been swayed by the romantic appeal of nationalism it would have happened by now.”

      Was completely wrong and that in fact the opposite was true and that this was simplty lazy journalism and he should go and check out the polls. There were only a dozen or so posts almost all Pro Yes. I think Handandshrimp also posted. Result? Now they have gone, all posts deleted and none now being accepted.

      They really are shitting themselves, free speech alive and well, a good honest debate?

      Don’t make me laugh. https://archive.today/36xpE

    36. steviecosmic says:

      I should have added their obsession with ‘foreigners’ and ‘immigration’ to that list. British jobs for British workers, as northern Brit Brown says.

    37. G. Campbell says:

      BBC News: Scotsman and business editor guilty of stalking
      3 July 2014 Last updated at 20:19

      The business editor of The Scotsman and Scotland on Sunday newspapers has been found guilty of stalking a female PR consultant. Terry Murden, 57, had previously been in a relationship with Nicki Sturzaker.

      He had denied causing her fear and alarm by going to her flat uninvited, leaving unwanted gifts and notes, repeatedly sending emails, uttering threats, contacting her employers and writing about her.

      Blackmail claim

      Murden had denied that on various occasions between June 27 and October 4, 2013, he engaged in a course of conduct which caused Ms Sturzaker, who was employed by the PR firm the Big Partnership, fear and alarm.

      Between July and October 2013 Ms Sturzaker said she received 15 emails from Murden and contacted the police.

      She also told the court that a week after she left the Big Partnership, Murden had published two articles in one week about her departure which she thought was an abuse of his position as business editor.

      “He had cost me my job” she said. “I felt humiliated. I changed my mobile number. I wanted to get as far away from him as possible”. Despite this, she said, emails and gifts continued to be sent.

      If you don’t know who Terry is, here’s one of his articles.

      Terry Murden: Watch out for the elephant that’s stalking policymakers
      https://archive.today/40ICI

      Dumbo’s got a twitter account, too.

      Terry Murden @TerryMurden1
      Business Editor, The Scotsman & Scotland on Sunday newspapers & online. Earn your stripes by telling the truth
      Author of Invisible Lies · Lulu.com

      Anyway, I’m just mentioning this here because I’m kind of disappointed that Kenny Farquharson didn’t tweet his guilt in advance. I mean, he was spot on with Bill Walker and you’d think that with Terry being one of his work colleagues his psychic powers would be even more attuned. Ah, well, perhaps Kenny doesn’t want to look too big headed.

    38. Robert Peffers says:

      @gillie says: 3 July, 2014 at 9:07 pm

      “These are now career threatening comments by Morton. She will have to apologise and fast, otherwise her son will be tainted by association”.

      Far too late – her beloved son has no other option but to apologise and/or disassociates himself from his own mother. Failure to do so only signifies he agrees with her.

    39. Croompenstein says:

      This is what you call a fully ‘engaged’ audience listening to a man talking complete and utter shit..

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-28153392

      @Muscleguy – co-op seedless raspberry jam mmm

    40. gillie says:

      Morton backtracking furiously.

      Too late I fear without an apology her son’s political career is mud.

    41. John says:

      Amazing.

      This Labour vitriol is a symptom of their panic at being faced with a case they know they cannot overcome through debate. Their instinctive recourse appears to be to cry ‘fascist’.

      In a slightly O/T but related theme, Ive just read extracts of David Cameron’s speech in Perth where he seems to outline his own new tactic for sidestepping the awkward logic problem of championing No over Yes: don’t think, FEEL.

      Throughout the speech he exhibits some quite breathtaking barefaced diversionary logic.

      At first I wasn’t even sure it could be true he’d made the speech since his excuse for not debating Alex Salmond has always been that it’s not his place to get involved personally… except for little sneaky cross-border raids when the First Minister isn’t expecting it apparently.

      I sometimes wish he’d grow a pair but of course he knows, just as we do, the real reason he can’t debate Salmond and that is evident in the ridiculous assertions he made in Perth. He can’t have the debate because whenever the two cases are made in a sober, rational way the sense of choosing Yes and the folly of opting for No become apparent.

      In Perth Dave tried to accuse Alex of failing to answer questions on currency, EU membership and set-up costs of an independent Scotland. Apart from the fact that these questions have been answered but No just like to repeatedly claim they haven’t been answered because then it seems like they haven’t, this is particularly great because in many instances the precise reason the answers cannot be concrete is because Dave and the UK government won’t discuss them until after the vote.

      So, obviously, there can be no definitive answer from anybody until the vote is done and the negotiations can commence. This tactic of demanding answers to questions that you yourself are preventing from being answered is truly great spin work from Dave.

      The most concerning aspect of the whole thing though was the theme of the vote being painted as a “matter of the heart” for Dave and Ruth Davidson, who was there too apparently.

      It wasn’t so long ago that the unionist side were using ‘patriot sentiment’ and ‘being lead by the heart’ as negative, derisory reasons why people would vote Yes. Only a fool who was in denial of the logical, sound socio-economic facts in the debate would resort to being swayed by heartfelt nationalist pride over reason, right?

      Right. So it now makes perfect sense that, faced with a strong fact-based case for voting Yes that they know they cannot overcome with reason, they should now resort to stirring up their own brand of that same heartfelt nationalist sentiment they used to think so beneath them.

      Now that it suits them, they have put the shoe on the other foot and are trying to kick Yes with it.

      Dave evidently hopes that there are a large group of people who haven’t got around to actually looking at the facts and thinking about it for themselves yet that will be convinced to vote from their gut at his heartfelt rallying cry. It speaks volumes about the confidence he has in both his arguments and his chances of winning the vote that he is resorting to this rather than debating with Salmond.

      I’m surprised he didn’t slap on a spot of blue wode before the speech really.

      The other calculated effect of this tactic of course is to further entrench those of a No persuasion, encouraging them to be true to their heart at all costs and not be drawn into dangerous reason-based debates with those sneaky, cerebral emotionless Yessers.

      …but like the dedicated cybernats we are, we will educate. Ed-u-cate!

      Here is a link to the Record article I read:

      http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-independence-david-cameron-admits-3805632

    42. DougtheDug says:

      Labour have been accusing the SNP of being Tartan Tories and national socialists for so long they’ve started to believe their own propaganda.

      It is a rare psychiatric syndrome in which symptoms of a delusional belief are transmitted from one individual to another. The same syndrome shared by a group may be called folie à plusieurs or “madness of many”.

      Recent psychiatric classifications refer to the syndrome as dependency psychotic disorder and induced delusional disorder.

    43. @galamcennelath – rotten to core about sums it up.

      And perhaps not as well-educated as they believe themselves to be, if not one of them can see the glaring dissonance and contradiction in what they say.

      The Days of Empire are not done yet. Scotland – never admitted – was and is the last colony. Exploited and impoverised underclass, and where they store their Nuclear Weapons, industries run down (look at Germany for sustained heavy industry AND good working laws), belittled and presumed ill-educated, and our culture and tradition still belittled or dismissed, and our lands (will be) sold off, in a revisitation as certain as the Highland Claarances and what precipated that.
      Our worth – down to the establishment’s disproved dismissal of us as subsidy junkies – lies in the golden eggs we lay: oil and the Scottish Component of Crown Estates.
      The juxtaposition of our land with theirs the sole reason this reality – of last colony – is obscured and blurred into a lie of partnership.
      If marriage it is a marriage of the type where wives had no rights, and were silenced.

    44. JimnArlene says:

      @ Grouse Beater….dumb, dumb, dumb, another one bites the dust. By Darlings eyebrows, they are stoooooooopid.

    45. steve bowers says:

      Seems to me that the BT campaign is a bit like the clap, difficult to get rid of initially but stick with it and you’re ok

    46. Derek M says:

      im a fascist or so i keep getting told which is strange as i thought i was a communist as that was what i was told before i became a fascist ,i really wish they would make up there minds this old socialist is getting fed up being tagged as everything except what i am lol

    47. Thepnr says:

      @Giving Goose

      Great post, thanks for that.

    48. Croompenstein says:

      OT – Well done to Aberdeen tonight, flying the flag for Scotland

    49. alexicon says:

      More online abuse from the no camp. Will Darling rein in his members and his supporters?
      We’ve had the fears, the sneers and the smears continue unabated.
      Look out for the sentiment and tradition stuff coming very soon. Of course the 3 main attack tools of fears, smears and sneers from the no camp, mainly labour, will also carry on simultaneously.

      Suppose it would be silly of me to ask if there are any No voting fascists out there.

      You’re a silly billy Paula 🙂

      Don’t know if they’re fascists, but?

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2552415/Tory-MP-Aidan-Burley-organised-Nazi-themed-stag-French-Alps-stand-election.html

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1286627/Ed-Balls-forgets-Tory-Oxford-dressed-Nazi.html

      Two birds with one stone on the Ed Balls one.

    50. Seasick Dave says:

      Remember the indignation when Alex Salmond used the term ‘gauletier’?

      http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/calls-for-alex-salmond-to-apologise-after-1115946

    51. gillie says:

      Since journalists are now all over this site I would expects the Mortons and the Labour have been contacted for comment. If Louise Morton values her son’s political career she will have to make an apology. This whole issue of smearing others in this vile manner has the potential to do Labour a lot of damage.

    52. Marcia says:

      I read earlier this week that some Yes people thought that people attending the anti-bias BBC demonstration could have spent their time leafleting/canvassing instead.

      However without that demonstration we would not be lifting the lid on the offensive No campaigners comments that finally made it the MSM and the wider general public. To those who went on that demonstration on Sunday, thank you.

    53. alexicon says:

      I should have said: I don’t think they’re fascists, but?

    54. Lesley-Anne says:

      I’m thinking this is a case of one of those great old ABBA songs. I think you all know the song I mean folks. 😉

      http://tinyurl.com/y984p96

      Sorry Stu I know you don’t like songs being put up on threads but I just felt this one was just too apt not to put up.

      If Ms Miles had to go after her Nazi photo then surely this eejit Louise Morton AND her son must surely resign from their respective posts. She must resign because of the offensive posts that she has put up and he must resign due to his association with the originator of the abuse!

    55. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

      “If Ms Miles had to go after her Nazi photo then surely this eejit Louise Morton AND her son must surely resign from their respective posts. She must resign because of the offensive posts that she has put up and he must resign due to his association with the originator of the abuse!”

      I’m not a fan of people being held accountable for the actions of those they just happen to be related to. Although it must be said that in Morton Jr’s case the apple doesn’t seem to have fallen far from the tree.

    56. Lesley-Anne says:

      To be honest Stu, from what I’ve seen from the Labour party up in the North East over the last few days, I’d be extremely worried about either staying in post. What concerns me about the son staying *ahem* in post is that after she resigns, as she must surely do, then we’d be faced with another round of abuse from Jnr. In my view it’s best they both just go and crawl away never to darken our doorsteps again.

    57. eezy says:

      The No Campaign blaming YES for everything they’re doing themselves!
      My take on the REAL Better Together….

      http://www.eezypeezylemonsqeezy.com

    58. Masson says:

      Got to dispair at the Scottish Labour Party in Scotland they have lost their moral compass.

    59. Thepnr says:

      Rev I agree.

      Never blame the child for the sins of the father (or mother). Not wise.

    60. gillie says:

      Jim Murphy getting involved. Not looking good for the Mortons. This could be highly embarrassing for Labour.

    61. Les Wilson says:

      All the sudden appearance of these slurs must be part of an orchestrated agenda by the labour head policy makers, they would not be doing this unless they were told to do it. In my view anyway.
      Following the Ukraine/ Russian example of exactly the same thing. Coincidence? I think not.

    62. ronnie anderson says:

      Ah dey love a Morton roll the crusty wans, diz Louise hiv
      Exema.

    63. Defo says:

      Lindsey Smith says:

      “O/T but anyone encountered tweet @psflaps?”

      Maybe it’s a ps take ?

    64. Kenny says:

      I happen to work close to the BT office. The other day I was listening to some REM on the way into work. You may know the song – Exhuming McCarthy. It seemed oddly fitting, and it was especially appropriate to hear the quote from the McCarthy hearing that comes up in the middle – “haven’t you done enough? Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?”

      The next song up was It’s The End Of The World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine). I want it to play magically every time George Robertson opens his gub.

    65. Thepnr says:

      @CameronB Brodie

      Toast! 🙂

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRq_SAuQDec

      Or bananas!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB-NnVpvQ78&list=PL51DD0372BDDB7D57

      Right must be bedtime, man I’m tired.

    66. Lesley-Anne says:

      gillie says:

      Jim Murphy getting involved. Not looking good for the Mortons. This could be highly embarrassing for Labour.

      Don’t tell me we are about to witness head numbers 2 and 3 start to roll down the hill and it’s still only Thursday.

      Damn, just put Mock the Week on and that hilarious comedienne Susan Calman is on.

    67. Dunx says:

      Meanwhile over in the Highlands the charity ‘Blythswood’ have opened 7 food-banks in the last year and have already helped 4.5 thousand people, due to benefit changes. Is that what they mean by “Better Together”? Here is a link to the report from BBC An Là yesterday,you don’t need any Gaelic to see @47secs into the report that that box contains BABY FOOD !! See this and weep! Something has GOT TO change……….YES! http://www.bbc.co.uk/naidheachdan/28141192

    68. @Goose Giver I agree with all you say. And @someone else (can’t remember) I am saddened by this.

    69. Bill McLean says:

      In today’s Express (I don’t read it but the wife does) Keith Aitken, one of the few decent journos around who does try to be impartial, wrote that he had a recent conversation with a “senior figure from Better Together”. I’d remarked how cybernat’s activity was damaging the YES campaign. “Absolutely” he said “and of course it’s not exactly a secret that we deliberately wind them up”!
      I’m not sure that they are that smart but it’s still worth bearing in mind and not allowing ourselves to be detracted from the main purpose of achieving our rightful independence. These minor tiffs with clowns on BT sites are diversions and should be avoided. Our cause of Freedom for Scotland is noble by definition and the vast majority of cybernats are far more intelligent than the opposition!Mind your manners and ignore the attempts to divert!!!

    70. Croompenstein says:

      @Lesley-Anne – Damn, just put Mock the Week on and that hilarious comedienne Susan Calman is on

      Careful your sides don’t split 🙂

    71. geeo says:

      I changed my name at an early age, i got sick of my birth name pretty early on.

      Who calls their child Jack Boot !!!

    72. Lesley-Anne says:

      Thanks for the warning Croomp, I’ll take care. In fact I think I’ll just go away now and put on my straight non laughing face, that should solve any possible outbreak of laughter here. 😛

    73. Jim says:

      @Croompenstein

      Why is this person sticking his nose into a refer5endum which he himself says is a matter for Scots yet is too scared to debate with Alex Salmond? Not to mention the bribe offered to Glasgow.

    74. Paula Rose says:

      As a person earning the minimum wage, caring for people who have contributed to society and having a fab time with folk with learning disabilities – which bit of fascist am I?

    75. Jim says:

      @Croompenstein

      Why is this person sticking his nose into a referendum which he himself says is a matter for Scots yet is too scared to debate with Alex Salmond? Not to mention the bribe offered to Glasgow.

    76. Lesley-Anne says:

      Jim says:

      @Croompenstein

      Why is this person sticking his nose into a refer5endum which he himself says is a matter for Scots yet is too scared to debate with Alex Salmond? Not to mention the bribe offered to Glasgow.

      If you thought Cameron, was too feart to debate with Alex Salmond how do you think he would react if he saw Tommy Sheridan approaching him. 😛

    77. cynicalHighlander says:

      @geeo says:

      I changed my name at an early age, i got sick of my birth name pretty early on.

      Who calls their child Jack Boot !!!

      Hob Niels.

    78. HandandShrimp says:

      Maybe somebody has put something in their cocoa. The No side seem to be permanently angry and resort to abuse as a first port of call. Dodgy steroids, too much coffee…something is amiss. Same over on the Groaniard.

    79. Robert Peffers says:

      @Thepnr says: 3 July, 2014 at 9:59 pm

      “Never blame the child for the sins of the father (or mother). Not wise.”

      That wasn’t the point, Thrpnr. It was that he has two options. He is not the one required to apologise as he didn’t make the insulting claim. He must, though, not only disassociate himself from his own mother but must condemn her for her error. Failure to do so is the only other option and that is a tacit agreement with her claims.

      Extrapolate that to the Labour Party leaders for it also applies to them and again also to Better Together. They must now either condemn, agree or attempt to ignore and the two latter option signify their agreement with the slur.

    80. Croompenstein says:

      @Jim – It’s just unbelievable, surely Camerons position is untenable he must be forced in to debate with FM. That is the only debate that the Scottish people deserve, third rate backbench MP’s don’t cut the mustard we are being short changed by that fearty

    81. Andy-B says:

      Surely someone higher up the chain of command, in Labour will reprimand Louise Morton, this kind of slur on yes voters is getting out off hand, Its unthinkable that a Labour vice-chair person of Moray could, publicly call citizens of Scotland fascists, and expect to survive in her post.

    82. Jim says:

      Another one bites the dust, Tories are now trying to bribe the electorate. Nicola Sturgeon is trying to negate this with I’ll call you and raise you another 500m.

    83. Croompenstein says:

      Who calls their child Jack Boot !!!

      Thatcher was an Awl Boot but I don’t think she called the boy Jack.. 🙂

    84. Derek M says:

      i just watched the clip on ITV news about posh boys visit to perth and his party faithful ,i never paid much attention to what Cameron said but instead was looking at the people behind him and was it just me or did they look really unhappy,remind me never to go out with that lot looked like the “no fun here” gang.

    85. Jim says:

      @Croompenstein, @Lesley-Anne
      I dunno. Sheridan or Salmond both would prove too much for the self preservation society sacrificial lambs.

    86. Jim says:

      @Derek M
      Pay close attention to your opponent, he says it’s a matter for the Scots but is in it up to his armpits, too much too lose which is why we must win this referendum.

    87. Lesley-Anne says:

      I think it would be a case of see which one, Tommy Sheridan or Alex Salmond, could get close enough to any of the self preservation society sacrificial lambs before they ran away never to be seen again! 😛

    88. Thepnr says:

      @Robert Peffers

      Sorry Robert but I disagree, I’ve never heard of this woman or her son before, her views and opinions are hers alone. The son has nothing to apologise for. He didn’t chose his mother.

      As they say you can chose your friends but not your family. We are close to getting abusive ourselves if we even contemplate smearing those that have not smeared anyone. Let’s not go there is my view.

      There are plenty whom our ire should be aimed at, we don’t need additional targets.

    89. Jim says:

      Louise Morton is a side-show, do not give her anymore credence than she deserves which is the square root of fuck all.

    90. Lesley-Anne says:

      Jim says:

      Louise Morton is a side-show, do not give her anymore credence than she deserves which is the square root of fuck all.

      Sorry Jim I disagree, I don’t think she is deserves THAT much! 😛

    91. Derek M says:

      @ Jim lol sorry mate but when Cameron starts talking my brain goes into la la land i cant help it he bores the shit out of me 😉

    92. ronnie anderson says:

      Blue Plaque getting put up at 10 Downing st

      David Cameron live here for 1 term of parliament & added

      another M on to PM now known as David Cameron PMM

      Pure Mince Merchant.

    93. Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      I don’t think Sheridan or Salmond will be getting anywhere near Cameron anytime soon but we live in hope.
      Either debate with the democratically elected FM or fuck right off out of it Mr Cameron. Sheridan can have that crumb, A. Darling.

    94. Bob Sinclair says:

      My my, Dont the people at Davie Camerons little gathering look happy to be there. Couldn’t crack a smile between them and these are probably the more passionate No’s. Compare and contrast with Sundays PQ2 photos.

    95. Jim says:

      @Derek M
      Old saying m8, “keep your friends close and your enemies closer still”.

    96. Robert Peffers says:

      May I ask the silent majority of people in Scotland to speak out and ask each and every Better Together and NO representative and Better Together and NO voter to answer the point blank question : –

      “DO YOU CONDEMN THE PEOPLE IN YOUR ORGANIZATION WHO MAKE NAZI ACCUSATIONS AGAINST YES SUPPORTERS OR DO YOU AGREE WITH THEMBY FAILURE TO DO SO”.

    97. Balaaargh says:

      @David Anderson, 9:20PM

      I don’t think anyone figured out where you were Goering with that one…

    98. Oneironaut says:

      Out of curiosity, is there anyone here who has friends or contacts in the media in other countries around the world?

      Might be nice to keep a record of all these hate-filled comments and send them out there.
      Show Westminster’s ugly true colours to the entire world. I’m sure other countries think that it’s only us who are causing trouble and that Westminster are playing this all sugary-sweet and nicey-nice.

      Might be quite inspiring to others actually. “Scotland took all that abuse, but kept their heads and focused on their independence above all else!” 😀

    99. Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      I concur, she deserves much less.

    100. Chic McGregor says:

      OT Has there been a complete cull at STV? What is the story there?

    101. Lesley-Anne says:

      I think I saw someone suggest it earlier, or it may even have been on anther thread, that Alex Salmond should maybe just pop along to one of Cool Dave’s *ahem* meetings and, erm, sort of surprise him. 😉

      Perhaps as back up he could have Dennis Canavan, Jim Sillars and Tommy Sheridan standing by the emergency exits so he has no where to run 😛

    102. Chic McGregor says:

      The proposition that the No campaign is not being heard in Scotland is one of the most perverse distortions of reality in an MSM campaign of distortion.

    103. Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      With Dennis, Jim And Alex singing that Belinda Carlisle song:
      We want the same thing, lol.

    104. Jim says:

      If we have nothing to give we wouldn’t be wanted.
      Enough said.

    105. Bob Sinclair says:

      Does that £500 million count toward No Campaign expenditure?

    106. Lesley-Anne says:

      Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      With Dennis, Jim And Alex singing that Belinda Carlisle song:
      We want the same thing, lol.

      Oh what an image you’ve just painted there Jim. Oh Oh I think I can see the White van rolling up and the men in white coats are approaching the front door as we talk. 😛

    107. Jim says:

      @Chic McGregor
      The no campaign have the full backing of the MSM.
      Enough said.

    108. Derek M says:

      @ chic yea i thought that claim to be rather strange as well ,but then i thought about it and came to the conclusion they know they are beaten and are now trying to use a claim of bias towards the yes side to hide their embarrassing failure.

    109. Jim says:

      @Bob Sinclair
      What, are you implying it’s some sort of bribe?

    110. Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      Aye but they’ll be taking the wrong ones away, lol.

    111. muttley79 says:

      What is clear is that since we knew in May 2011 that there would be an independence referendum, SLAB’s leaders and diehard unionist activists have lost their discipline and self control completely. Who expects people like Kathy Wiles, and Louise Morton to act in a reasonable way, when Lamont and Darling have been attacking the SNP as a virus, and promoting blood and soil nationalism, which really is saying they are Nazis/fascists in other words?

      Once you send signals from the top of a political party like this, your diehard supporters will take it as a green light to act in what they think is an appropriate manner. Darling, Lamont, Davidson, Murphy and the rest are ultimately the ones responsible for these sorry episodes.

    112. cynicalHighlander says:

      B Ponsonby could gatecrash one Of Cameron’s visits with that ‘This is Your Life’ folders and lead him to the STV studio with assembled DK voters.

    113. Lesley-Anne says:

      Unfortunately I think you might be right there Jim. 🙁

    114. squarego says:

      Has anyone read that other great George Orwell book, Homage to Catalonia? True account of his time in Spain fighting fascism – towards the end the disinformation and doublespeak was flying until even those fighting against fascism were called fascists and executed.
      Easy to see where Nineteen Eighty Four came from.

    115. Bob Sinclair says:

      Jim
      All I know is that if David Cameron offers me something for nothing my first response is going to be to ask how much it’s going to cost me.

    116. heedtracker says:

      Labour hating Scottish Yes voters is one thing but Labour Milliband UK.gov and Labour Scottish.gov in barely a years time looks extremely unlikely. They currently have the BBC and press liggers trying to get them back to Holyrood power but its only a BBC desperate to stop democracy in Scotland and our BBC chums have a very big crush on Nigel Farage and UKIP, who are not fascist at all:D

    117. Free at 63! says:

      Derek M @10.23

      No it wasn’t just you – I saw them on the teatime news and they did look glum. Just like Better Together, No Thanks or whatever their name is now.

      He also ridiculed the SG over currency and several other things which were, of course, totally biased.

    118. Iain (orri) McCord says:

      It’s not being heard because we’re sick of listening to the constant barrage of negativity it involves. So, in a way, it’s actually the truth.

    119. Jim says:

      Seriously though this Louise Morton is an expendable, nothing more or less.
      She is there to spread the lie that we are all Nazis, our children are Hitler youth, Alex Salmond is the Anti-Christ.
      She has done her job, will probably lose her job but be financially rewarded for it.
      As I have said, she is a side-show to the real battle of convincing people why we should be an independent country.
      Not because your heart tells you it should be but because we will genuinely be better off.
      Winning hearts and minds in the present is all very well but we must convince people that future generations will reap the rewards of full independence. That is the real battle.

    120. Jim says:

      @Bob Sinclair
      It will cost you, that’s the twisted thing.
      Nothing for nothing my friend.

    121. Lesley-Anne says:

      Bob Sinclair says:

      Jim
      All I know is that if David Cameron offers me something for nothing my first response is going to be to ask how much it’s going to cost me.

      I wonder if Cameron ran this idea of offering us something for nothing past Johann Lamont. I only ponder this because I seem to recall that she was against such a policy of something for nothing existing in Scotland! 😛

    122. heedtracker says:

      Cant find it but there’s BBC national tv news puff for UKIP and David Coburn, who’s got no problem calling Yes voters online cybernazi’s with no reaction from BBC ligger either. If Scotland’s UKIP MEP can call yes voters cyber nazis on the BBC 6 oclock news, why cant some dope in Murray.

    123. Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      “Unfortunately I think you might be right there Jim”

      For shame.

    124. Lesley-Anne says:

      Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      “Unfortunately I think you might be right there Jim”

      For shame.

      And *ahem* re-education obviously. 😛

    125. Bob W says:

      I’m fashed at being likened to a fascist, does that make me a fashista?

    126. Jim says:

      I despair if the good people of Greater Glasgow or Glasgow cannot see through the bullshit that this is nothing more than a fucking bribe. As someone has already posted this is Parcel of rogues 2014.

    127. heedtracker says:

      The fascist spotter from MORAY’s on twitter now.

    128. CameronB Brodie says:

      Winning hearts and minds in the present is all very well but we must convince people that future generations will reap the rewards of full independence. That is the real battle.

      This just sprung to mind. A bucket will never fill if it has a hole in it. A Yes vote will plug the hole that allows Scotland’s wealth to be drained away. Hence our bucket will fill and our social capital will rise. A bit simplistic?

    129. Squirrel Towers says:

      OT

      How few people were actually there listening to Dave, look at the Channel 4 Blog by Gary Gibbon. Look at the report at approx 1:18 into the report, really shows the masses….

      blogs.channel4.com/gary-gibbon-on-politics/cameron-scotland-breaking-heart/28680

    130. Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      I have had a verry good edumacation butt am open to some refresherr corses.

    131. Squirrel Towers says:

      http://blogs.channel4.com/gary-gibbon-on-politics/cameron-scotland-breaking-heart/28680

      sorry not sure how to post the link….sorry Rev

    132. macart763m says:

      Slow learners aren’t they?

    133. Lesley-Anne says:

      Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      I have had a verry good edumacation butt am open to some refresherr corses.

      You and me both Jim. I must admit that my edumacation wasn’t too bad but like you I’m always open to a refresher course or three. I do draw the line, in the sand, about the brain washing classes though. 😛

    134. Jim says:

      @Squirrel Towers
      Dave/Rodney was preaching to the converted but what we have to worry about is the MSM peddling his propaganda unabated.
      Those zombies at his conference will believe anything he tells them but it is the meedja that we have to worry about.

    135. Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      As long as they use a good ole bar of lifebhoy when washing my major sulci and gyri then I am okay with that, lol.

    136. CameronB Brodie says:

      Jim
      Did you not spot the ginger lad dropping off to sleep? Perhaps just my wicked wishful thinking. 🙂

    137. Lesley-Anne says:

      Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      As long as they use a good ole bar of lifebhoy when washing my major sulci and gyri then I am okay with that, lol.

      Oh I’m not so sure Jim, even with Lifebhoy I’d still have my reservations. 😉

    138. Robert Peffers says:

      @Thepnr says: 3 July, 2014 at 10:30 pm

      “Sorry Robert but I disagree, I’ve never heard of this woman or her son before, her views and opinions are hers alone. The son has nothing to apologise for. He didn’t chose his mother”.

      Indeed he didn’t choose his mother but the cold hard fact
      is that his mother is a Moray Labour Party Official in the Constituency Association that is responsible for selecting the candidate for that constituency. She is it seems the Louise Morton, who is Women’s Officer of the Moray Labour Party.

      Which is the point I am making. The person making the offending remarks is an official of Moray Labour Party. As such the candidate must either disassociate himself from that person or he makes tacit agreement with that person and thus with those who selected him as candidate.

      The fact that the offending person is his mother is only an added problem for him. Note that the whole constituency Association must also state they disassociate themselves or be guilty also. As must the Labour Party and Better Together. If they do not then they, be default, agree with it.

    139. Thoughtsofascot says:

      Anyone who ever followed uk elections since 1997 should know that this is the bread and butter of labour.

      Think back. Since new labour, they have never once put forward a positive case for anything. Only a negative case loaded with insults. The party is a cancer of a particularly malignant type.

    140. Thepnr says:

      I’m a cant. You are all cants. The Rev is the biggest cant of all. Truth is not owned by our opponents. Their cants too.

    141. Squirrel Towers says:

      I recognised my local Tory Councillor at Dave’s rally, really grassroots eh…….

    142. msean says:

      If the Tories are offering something ,then you know that someone else will be short paid,and of course,all expenses incurred to ensure a NO vote will be clawed back after said NO vote. Funny how the skint government can come up with cash when an attempt to get a better deal through independence is made.

      Still voting Yes.

    143. Jim says:

      @CameronB Brodie
      Did that ginger have blue eyes? Remember, Kathy Wiles will be examining the full gamut of DNA markers to ensure that the ginger lad is a bona fide Scot otherwise he is nothing more than a “Sleeper agent”.

    144. Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      At least we’d have a clear/clean conscience.

    145. Lesley-Anne says:

      Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      At least we’d have a clear/clean conscience.

      Speak for yourself Jim, I think it would need something a darned bit stronger than Lifebhoy to *ahem* cleanse my solitary brain cell. 😛

    146. Jim says:

      @Robert Peffers
      She is not worth a pint of cold piss and yet we are having a debate about her? Forget her, she’s the smoke to Kathy Wiles mirror.

    147. hetty says:

      Perhaps a simple explanation for the hate and bile coming from Slab is due to the fact that they take their orders from above. The tactic being used by them, as Eezy points out at 9.58pm, which is to hand out their own hatred and bile while blaming the victim, or opponent in this case, is common practise for bullies. They also think that the lies will stick like glue if they shout them loud and often enough, very sad to witness the dirty politics being played out by the unionists, a disgrace on so many levels.

    148. Thepnr says:

      @Robert Peffers

      I see your point. I neglected the fact that the son is the Labour party candidate for the constituency that his mother is chair of.

      Still, until he too is caught with his knickers at his ankles in my opinion he should be left alone. Making this whole debate personal carries risks.

      We are attacked daily as a group filthy cybernats etc. Naming names though is something else, you better be prepared to back up any accusation with evidence. My point is we don’t need to. Let’s take our fight against those that are not unknowns but continue to spout bile. Plenty of evidence for that. We waste time on the small fry at our own peril.

    149. Ian Brotherhood says:

      ‘She ain’t heavy…she’s my mother.’

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISxeurjmiHY

    150. Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      The lady protest too much. That brain cell is going a long way to try and help set us free.
      This will come across as cheesy but lang may your lum reek.

    151. fittie says:

      yes voting fascists is it —– the national front ,bnp,edl/sdl,britain first ,all support the no vote

    152. HandandShrimp says:

      Thepnr

      I agree, we just need to keep highlighting how abusive these people are without personalising it. The MSM clearly dip in here now to pick up on this stuff.

      I don’t think it is going to be long before senior party official start sending memos around advising their people that enough is enough. With 2015 also looming the party organisers are going to take a dim view of party officials and candidates with a social media portfolio that looks a Trolls scrapbook.

    153. Lesley-Anne says:

      Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      The lady protest too much. That brain cell is going a long way to try and help set us free.
      This will come across as cheesy but lang may your lum reek.

      What? Protest? Me? Never, I never protest, unless it’s outside the BBC! 😛 (or at least it will be in July 😉 )

      Aye well my lum is certainly reeking! The neighbours are apparently getting rather fed up with all it’s reek! 😛

    154. HandandShrimp says:

      O/T

      Tidy win for Aberdeen I see

    155. Jim says:

      I applaud this story pointing out that the No side are just as capable of abuse as the yes side but what good is it doing other than taking our eyes off the ball.
      Kathy Wiles’ diatribe got a few paragraphs in the MSM, Claire Lally and Rowling were worthy of the front pages so we won’t win on that count, Unionist, front page, Independence supporter, page 2,3,4, two or three lines.
      Boycott these papers as surely there are enough of us to make them feel the pinch when the sales figures start to drop?

    156. Tam Jardine says:

      The professor who thinks we are all no that bright makes me angrier – as an educated woman how can she seriously express such a ridiculous and insulting opinion? She is a total embarrassment. Apology through gritted teeth but she believes that crap. I suppose in her worldview Jimmy Reid wasnae bright.

      The lassie on twitter has got carried away and said something daft and insulting and is in the process of furious back peddling and rewriting intentions. I waded through a fair amount of it and think it is not the worst I have seen.

      Of course the real villain of the piece is Darling for giving every anti – independence campaigner the green light to call us fascists or nazis. Ms Morton had the good grace to apologise when rumbled – hell will freeze over before Darling will express contrition.

    157. Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      I would have loved to have been there, Re- BBC-Bias protest but such is life.

    158. Ian Brotherhood says:

      It’s notable that the Yes campaign has garnered support from artists working in all genres. (The lists are exhaustive, and well documented.)

      I’m wondering if anyone can identify any prominent ‘fascist’ artists anywhere, let alone in Scotland right now.

    159. Jim says:

      For shame I usually buy a Daily Record and a Sun but the other day I was wondering, why am I paying good money for this utter pish. They don’t represent me, they lie on my behalf, but, my 80p whatever boycott will not make a difference, together we are strong.

    160. Tam Jardine says:

      Anyway – the press have absolutely no desire to publicise this – if they do it is linked to Rowling and Claire Lally as the Wiles story has been to deflect. The public, I am sure don’t give a monkeys for it – twitter I am sure is viewed with contemptuous disinterest by vast numbers of people.

      I had never looked at it before the campaign started and will stop thereafter. The stuff that brave wee britnatabusebot brings to the surface makes me sick.

      Having said that, it gives me a little lift when I watch the Rev’s followed increase by another 100.

      Till the Newsroom basement (Leith Street, Edinburgh) tomorrow team – 7.30pm. G’night

    161. a2 says:

      “THEY KEEP DOING IT IN THE SODDING COMMENT THREAD ITSELF WHERE I’LL ONLY RARELY SEE IT?”

      Darn it, you mean you aren’t reading all our witty and informative comments? 😉

    162. Lesley-Anne says:

      Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      I would have loved to have been there, Re- BBC-Bias protest but such is life.

      Aye the same here Jim. We had planned to go to the protest last weekend but were not able to make it. We are therefore hoping nothing untoward happens that prevents us from making the next one in July. 😛

    163. Marcia says:

      Jim

      It got more that a few paragraphs in the Dundee Courier. A news article and an editorial condemning the offensive tweets. All the news-boards around the city highlighting her resignation following the Nazi slur. Still didn’t buy the paper.

    164. Jim says:

      @Marcia
      Aye, but ask yourself, Who’s heard of the Claire Lally abuse or the Rowling abuse compared to who has seen the Kathy Wiles comparing Yes supporters children to the Hitler youth?
      I am afraid the MSM has the upper hand here.
      Boycott them.

    165. Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      Got some time of work then, (which according to the Zombies I shouldn’t have as I am too brain dead to have a job britnats, so hopefully will be there all being well.

    166. Liquid Lenny says:

      Surprise Surprise Johann Lamont has pulled out of the Arran Public Meeting on Saturday. I had 3 questions for her, will keep them for the next time she ventures out of her bunker.

      I think we need to be making more of the fact that Better Together are by association campaigning to keep us wedded to a corrupt, depraved and perverted institution.

      https://archive.today/sDl35

      http://tompride.wordpress.com/2014/07/03/meet-the-man-leon-brittan-handed-the-lost-vip-paedophile-dossier-to/

      The spooks are up to their neck in the Westminster Paedophile ring cover up and according to some was involved in the murder of Jill Dando, who was about to expose the activities of Saville and co at the BBC.

      https://archive.today/r1TVn

    167. Lesley-Anne says:

      Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      Got some time of work then, (which according to the Zombies I shouldn’t have as I am too brain dead to have a job britnats, so hopefully will be there all being well.

      WHIT? You have a job? How the hell did you manage that? How much did you have to pay the anti Facist police force to look the other way whilst applying for the job? 😛

      All things being hunky dory we’ll be there so hope to see you there. 😉

    168. Jim says:

      @Liquid Lenny
      Whether Jill Dando was murdered or not has nothing to do with Scotland gaining it’s independence.
      I am not being nasty, just stating a fact.
      Why has wee shuggie pulled out of the debate?

    169. Doug Daniel says:

      Off-topic – for any other Claire Stewart fans (or just anyone actually), I recommend watching the “5 things tomorrow” bit at the end of Scotland Tonight and look at the knowing cheeky wee grin on her face when she mentions the USA’s independence day tomorrow.

      No wonder she didn’t pull any punches interviewing Gordzilla that time.

    170. RedStarTrout says:

      O/T
      Did anyone else catch an interview with Ghill Donald on BBC News 24 at 23.15 or so?

      Full of No campaign quotes like ‘no lender of last resort or bank deposit guarantee scheme so Scottish banks would have to move to London’, ‘the departure of shipbuilding’, a flurry of start up figures from ‘Salmond’s 200 million’ to ‘1 billion from ICASS…it makes no sense’.

      The BBC interviewer actually tried her best but was up against a barrage of nonsense. Mr Donald was presented as being from the organisation ‘workingforscotland.org’, which is a website which appears to consist of a single blank page.

      He is, or was, boss of a marketing company and was a founder of Business Better Together, speaking on their behalf at several events.

      He must be good at marketing though, to get on News 24 to spout that much rubbish based on being from a non-existent organisation with a blank website. One to watch, I think.

    171. caz-m says:

      BBC News, the presenter says, let’s have a look at tomorrow’s headlines,

      The Scotsman, The Prime Minister has promised Glasgow £500Million IF they vote to stay in the Union.

      No mention that it was over a twenty year period or that the Scottish Government would match that kind of cash.

      No rebuttal at all.

      PQ3 here I come.

    172. Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      A fink ma face fitted, nepotism is rife here you know, lol.
      It would be a pleasure to know you will be there supporting our country.

    173. Mary Bruce says:

      Heedtracker: The David Coburn Cybernazi clip rings a bell, was it maybe the Stv one with Rona McDougall?

    174. Lesley-Anne says:

      Jim says:

      @Liquid Lenny

      Why has wee shuggie pulled out of the debate?

      Now THAT is one question I can answer Jim. The answer is simple. 😉

      Initially she thought it was going to be a Labour controlled “WE tell you what to think and YOU think it, got it?” Unfortunately someone appears to have let the cat out of the bag and she found out that she would have to answer questions from the public. Now THAT is really just too much for the wee diddumsie. 🙂

      First she doesn’t do answering questions. 😛

      Second she doesn’t do mixing with the public. 😛

    175. James123 says:

      Sorry but this is very O/T. Since Costa Rica are playing in the quarter finals of the World Cup on Saturday I decided to do some research as I knew sod all about them and I was very surprised by what I found.

      Incredibly Costa Rica has no military, it abolished the army several decades ago!! The money it saves from defence spending is instead spent on education and health. As a result it has a universal health care system that is the envy of the region, American health tourists flock there to use their first class facilities. It is also one of the greenest and most environmentally friendly countries in the world, it is on course to become the very first carbon neutral nation within 10 years. As a result of its pro-environment ethos all recreational hunting is banned.

      It seems like a very progressive forward thinking little country and it makes me think of all the things that we can achieve with our small nation when we gain independence.

    176. Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      What, like a sociopathic kind of aversion to mixing with the electorate?

    177. Lesley-Anne says:

      Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      A fink ma face fitted, nepotism is rife here you know, lol.
      It would be a pleasure to know you will be there supporting our country.

      Ah good old nepotism, I can think of somewhere else that nepotism works well, now where was it again… 😛

      Aye same here. Mind you I think you’ve been reading BBC websites too long I was under the impression that it was to be an anti BBC protest from what you say it appears I’m going to a pro independence demonstration. 😛

    178. Lesley-Anne says:

      Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      What, like a sociopathic kind of aversion to mixing with the electorate?

      Aye Jim that’s the very thing I was referring to. 😛

    179. Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      Pro-independence “IS” anti BBC, according to those twisted individuals. I have been voted down in many a BBC comments page, not made the Editor’s picks yet for shame.

    180. Lesley-Anne says:

      I’ve given up even thinking about posting anything on BBC website, I’ve more important things to like be crazily insane on WOS. 😛

    181. Grouse Beater says:

      Passing a television screen late last night I caught sight of political hack and Pound Store intellectual, David Torrance.

      He’d managed to get his face in ours again hoping by sheer appearances we’ll assume he’s an emerging talent to note.

      An American college boy of the 50s, face scrubbed, teeth whitewashed, hair quiff slapped with gel, virginal, except for the well-thumbed copy of Men’s Health Monthly rolled up in his back pocket. He’s definitely swotting up on the life of David Livingstone, dreaming of discovering the source of the SNP and growing a moustache one day.

      From which scout troupe do these nonentities graduate? How long need we endure their dib, dib, dribble?

    182. Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      I absolutely love watching here get shot down in flames by Alex Salmond every week.
      Ruth Davidson, my oh my, you should see her expressions like a petulant child scolded once to often.

    183. Lesley-Anne says:

      Well to be honest Jim it is no longer called the FMQ’s, it has been renamed… The Johann Lamont Put Down Show. 😛

      To be fair at least Ruth Davidson does manage to laugh now and again, even if it is at her own expense. I don’t think Lamont actually knows how to smile far less laugh! 😉

    184. Liquid Lenny says:

      Jim, There has been a cover up of a major paedophile ring at Westminster and other high profile British Institutions, the cover up has been sanctioned at the highest levels of Government and involves the Security Services.

      Anybody who supports remaining under the Westminster yoke is by association condoning the cover up. Nothing is going to happen, the missing dossier will never be found, the guilty will not receive justice.

      So yes the Jill Dando murder does have a connection with Scottish Independence in that we have a choice to leave a corrupt Institution which condones paedophilia and murder or if we don’t we are saying we are not bothered and its UK OK.

      As for JoLa I understand that she is unwell, was there a FMQ’s today? If she was at that it must be one of those sickies you book in advance.

    185. Jim says:

      Seaven Year Old, WWhat’s seven times eight?” “I’ve made it a rule in life not to answer,” Says George Osbouirne the man in charge of the UK economy.

    186. Mary Bruce says:

      An observant description of Preppy Torrance, as i will call him from now on, Grouse Beater, thanks for that.

    187. Jim says:

      Seven Year Old, What’s seven times eight?” “I’ve made it a rule in life not to answer,” Says George Osbouirne the man in charge of the UK economy.

    188. Jim says:

      @Liquid Lenny
      I know you mean well so don’t take offense but supporting no does not mean you support paedophilia.
      If that were the case then supporting Yes would mean we were all condoning the alleged abuse of Hollie Greig.

    189. Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      I think Ruth has a sneaky admiration for our FM.
      I could be wrong, answers on a tenner addressed to me.

    190. Lesley-Anne says:

      Would that be a Scottish tenner or an English tenner Jim? 😉

      Do you want the tenner backed by the Bank of England or by a new Independent Bank of Scotland? 😛

    191. Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      I just want one that works in a Tesco self serve thingymabob.
      🙂

    192. Lesley-Anne says:

      Sorry Jim I don’t do Tesco thingymabobbywhatsits! 😛

    193. Lesley-Anne says:

      Right folks I’ve just seen the time and my one eye that is still awake is slowly closing. So before I crash head first onto the keyboard I’ll say good night nad keep having those happy thoughts… happy thoughts… happy thought… 😛

    194. Jim says:

      Anybody got a transcript of that poem read out at the Anti-BBC Bias protest, the one about the youth of Scotland.
      Made the hairs on the back of my neck stand and would love a copy for posterity.

    195. Jim says:

      @Lesley-Anne
      Sleep tight.

    196. bookie from hell says:

      Queen to name new royal aircraft carrier Friday,will it begin with N or F

    197. bookie from hell says:

      Retweeted by Sean Morton

      Yes No Maybe @BrigadoonGent · Jun 22

      5 star performance from @PamDuncanUK on #crossfire. Great to hear her defending women who have been attacked by cybernats. #indyref

    198. bookie from hell says:

      Sean Morton @SeanMortonUK · Jun 18

      Don’t think I’ve ever seen quite so much CyberNat panic in my mentions tray as I have tonight. #MorayVotesNo

    199. bookie from hell says:

      Retweeted by Sean Morton

      David Leask @Leasky · Jun 13

      My most surreal cybernat moment of all time. I’ve “presumably deliberately misquoted the pope”. Indyref abuse a problem? Nah. Weirdness is.

    200. bookie from hell says:

      ? Retweeted by Sean Morton

      Iain Gray @IainGrayMSP · Jun 11

      Said for years that cybernat smears often orchestrated by SNP. Clare Lally case proves it all the way to FM’s office

    201. bookie from hell says:

      Sean Morton @SeanMortonUK · May 30

      Just been told the reason Moray gave UKIP it’s best result in Scotland is because our service men and women are English and more racist.

    202. bookie from hell says:

      Sean Morton
      ?@SeanMortonUK I’ll never understand why a politics show which people watch to hear politicians answer questions insists on clowns like Reader taking part

    203. bookie from hell says:

      Sean Morton @SeanMortonUK · May 14

      Wonderful vid feat. @rainerhoess grandson of Auschwitz Commandant Rudolf. Beat the far-right. Never forget to vote.

    204. Haggis Hunter says:

      On a brighter note, David Cameron says his heart will be broken if Scots leave their union.
      Has the campaign changed from subsidy junkies to winning hearts and minds?

    205. Croompenstein says:

      It’s independence day for the USA who apparently pine for the days of true democracy under Westminster as ‘from the outside’ it seems to work well..

    206. caz-m says:

      BBC Scotland James Naughtie’s scary story of the day is that the Clyde will not get the Type 26 Frigate order when Scotland becomes an Independent Nation. The Type 26 will be built on the Clyde, there is no other yard in the rUK that has the capability to build them.

      It will take years to complete the other aircraft carrier, HMS Prince of Wales, that is being built at Rosyth, yet there is no mention of moving that order South of the border when we become an Independent Nation.

      They can’t say it’s OK to build the other carrier but we won’t let you build our Frigates.

      This scary story is on a par with “you won’t be able to use the pound”.

      Project Fear, alive and kicking.

    207. john king says:

      Croompenstein says:

      “I thought I had blended in ok but I probably gave the game away when I goose stepped doon to the Co-Op.”

      Your names a dead give-away as well,
      well it is a bit Teutonic int it
      and as for whistling the Horst Wessel, hmmm?

      David Anderson says
      “To be Franco I am a bit sick of all these accusations (I know, I know).”

      Here’s your full length leather greatcoat. 🙂

      Giving Goose
      I agree with every word, all joking apart the country is in a dark period not of our making and it is disturbing!

      Bob Sinclair says
      “All I know is that if David Cameron offers me something for nothing my first response is going to be to ask how much it’s going to cost me.”

      Approximately £4trillion pounds.

      Tam Jardine says
      “The professor who thinks we are all no that bright makes me angrier – as an educated woman how can she seriously express such a ridiculous and insulting opinion? ”

      The acid test of her assertion would be to have an IQ test for prospective voters and only allow you to vote if you pass the test, I wonder how keen she would be to see that?

    208. Croompenstein says:

      I thought that when you named a ship it was meant to slide majestically down the slipway in to the water. Oh well they will just have to pretend, they could get the locals to throw some water balloons at it but then one might hit Betty in the kisser..

    209. Croompenstein says:

      @john king – ich bin ein Scotchlander 🙂

    210. john king says:

      Verwenden Sie den Stift, um Stimmen für das Mutterland am 18. September!

    211. Truth says:

      For those still shipping in coop please stop.

      Have you know idea that the coop has the third biggest political party in the commons?

      Many labour MPs are joint coop MPs. Coop also give generously to the labour party.

      I’m not big on boycotts, but you literally are helping the enemy.

    212. thoughtsofascot says:

      I never really had much respect for professors when I was at university. I always held the opinion that they were all jumped up little prats that thought their titles made them better than us mere proles. Kinda like how a knighthood, or peerage often seems to induce a terminal case of smug-initis and pomposity in its recipient.

      The best staff at University are always the non-professor lecturers. They’ve always been down to earth and never seemed to suffer from a serious case getting pleasure out of sniffing their own farts.

    213. Nana Smith says:

      Project fear takes on a new slant…Daily Rag warns of terrorist attacks.

      Of course should anything occur Scotland need not worry as big brave Englandshire will come to the rescue.

      http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scottish-airports-alert-over-fears-3806771

    214. Croompenstein says:

      @john king – Exactly whit I was thinking 😀

    215. john king says:

      Truth says
      “Many labour MPs are joint coop MPs. Coop also give generously to the labour party.”

      And using loans they never ask to be repaid.

    216. caz-m says:

      BBC sports presenter tells us this morning that this weekend will be great for British sport.

      Start of Tour de France – England

      F1 Silverstone – England

      Wimbledon – England

      There is only one country I can see that will benefit from all these sporting events and that is England.

      Or does England really = Britain.

    217. Tony Little says:

      May I wish a happy Separation Day to all our American readers, and I look forward to you rejoining the greatest Union the world has ever known (from the outside) when Obama follows up his positive remarks with a more formal approach to Westminster. After all it is clear that only the Westminster government has the skill knowledge and expertise to run the world.

    218. Another Union Dividend says:

      Nana Smith

      I wondered how long it would take the Scottish Liberation Army card to be played by the UK intelligence agents.

      The polls must be getting closer with an interesting article on You Gov’s dubious methods over on Newsnet Scotland..

      And nasty John McTernan claiming in the North British Hootsman that there is no appetite for separation in Catalan.

    219. Clootie says:

      Why do some people feel the need to swear in every post recently?
      The odd one when angry I can understand.

      We are trying to put across very important issues. It will put a lot of people off AND undermine the arguements.

    220. Tony Little says:

      @AUD

      On a more serious note, I think it is an inevitability that there will be an “incident” before the vote. Probably early in August. No one will be killed (I hope) but there will be severe damage to some property “owned” by the British state. This will happen after another spurious YouGov poll comes out suggesting that YES vote has slipped dramatically.

      Now the thing is, I wonder how it will be received in the mind of the public. Things are not the way they were in the 1970s and the internet has opened a new door to information and content that are beyond the control of the establishment (The main reason they want to effectively close it down)

      The next few weeks will see an even more vicious ramping up of the attacks on the YES side. I am afraid we haven’t seen the worst of the establishment yet. Think Miners’ Strike, Think India.

      Keep the message, and keep strong, the wining post is in sight

    221. Clootie says:

      @bookie from hell

      I think you have given Sean Morton’s views far wider circulation than they would ever have had normally + I thought they were your comments at first as I speed read the comments!

    222. Bob Sinclair says:

      First they ignore you,
      then they laugh at you,
      then they come to troll and bribe you,
      Then you laugh at them
      then you ignore them
      and then you win

    223. Bigbricks says:

      I don’t know if anyone else has noticed this, but a couple of No supporting Twitter accounts seem to have gone private overnight, suggesting that there may be a few more skeleton filled cupboards around. Is there any way to see archived content on such accounts?
      There also appeared to be a lot more No Thanks activity than usual on Twitter last night. A distraction display perhaps?

    224. Another Union Dividend says:

      Tony Little

      They are not even subtle and late last year Better Together disclosed that 19 wealthy backers donated a total of £1.3m, including £10,000 each from two senior figures in the private intelligence firm Hakluyt, which has links to MI6.

    225. heedtracker says:

      Prof Tomkins cant stop either. Must be the hols at uni right now, or the lull between exams and we’re all going on a Slovene holiday, only 10 thousand CiFs for a week or two!
      If youre out there Prof, take a pause for the cause dude, youre making a complete fool of yourself, all professors and betternothankstogether,

      https://id.theguardian.com/profile/abiesalba/public?activity-stream=comments

    226. Bugger (the Panda) says:

      OT

      U.S. grounds entire F-35 fleet pending engine inspections

      Oops, especially today

    227. chalks says:

      They can stick their Type 26’s up their arse.

      Hold a gun to our heads for 3,000 jobs or the ability to govern and build our own stuff.

      Wonder what will win.

    228. Dorothy Devine says:

      Deary me! Dave’s heartfelt speech seems to have gone down a bomb with the folk immediately behind him!
      Have you ever seen such a happy crew?( except for the porridge factory workers ,who still make me chortle on a bad day)

      They appear to have been considerably thinner on the ground than our PQ protest.

    229. Graeme menzies says:

      Tony Little says: 4 July, 2014 at 8:32 am@AUD

      Given the dubious circumstances surrounding the demise of Willie MacRae in 1985, nothing would surprise me.

    230. Craig P says:

      Tony Little. I have no doubt that such things will have been considered as a possibility. But thanks to the internet, etc we are a lot wiser about behind-the-scenes machinations than even 20 years ago.

      Importantly too, unlike Northern Ireland for example, there is no history of violence in the Scottish independence movement that could be plausibly used by black flag operators. Any shocking incident will stick out like a sore thumb.

      It has got to the stage instead that there could even be a *genuine* incident that ends up being popularly identified as secret service activity…

      Their best bet is in smearing the character of major figures in the independence movement. However if they had anything on Alex Salmond, for example, I would have thought they’d have played it years ago.

      The other area where we have to be vigilant is postal voting…

    231. john allan says:

      I am English. A labour member and i am voting YES.

    232. Tony Little says:

      @CraigP

      Postal voting: Totally agree. The “polls” are already being used as the set up for a potential major voting fraud. What about the councils apparently “deregistering” voters? It all strikes me as pages out of the US elections manual, and whom do BT-NT have advising them?

      When we win, it will have been against all the sh1t the establishment can thrown at us.

    233. HandandShrimp says:

      Heard Danny on the radio waffling wildly about the aircraft carriers and how they will definitely be both commissioned for service and equipped with a full flight of F35s…but he had left the numbers for all this in his other jacket.

      He doesn’t half um and err his way through an interview.

      Carriers of that size are for force projection. To commission both states clearly we are going to play world police again with the Merkins.

    234. kendomacaroonbar says:

      O/T

      Any swots out there who can translate our house motto into Latin for a top secret black ops mission… (D’oh)

      “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they come to fight you, and then you win.” (M.K. Gandhi)

    235. Fiona says:

      @ john allan

      That can’t be right. Peter Kellner says that your party membership more or less determines that you will vote No. I have no idea how he knows this, but he is quite definite about it….

    236. HandandShrimp says:

      Tony

      To be fair on the polls, it is mainly YouGov that seems to be playing games and other pollsters have taken issue with YouGov telling them they are all out of step and that only YouGov are the keepers of the sacred truth. I think even Curtice is sceptical of YouGov’s approach.

      However, I agree that we should be very vigilant. We have eyes and ears in many places these days, we can keep them honest or at least very, very careful.

    237. SquareHaggis says:

      I see Tom Brown’s got his coat.

    238. Vestas says:

      I have to agree with the people saying boycott the Co-op.

      Every Labour candidate standing for parliament has to be a member of a trade union (bet lots of you didn’t know that) and the Co-op provide a fig-leaf (pretend union) for some of the most egregious (and anti-independence) troughers in parliament :

      Ed Balls (they pay for his office expenses too);
      Jon Ashworth;
      Luciana Berger;
      Gemma Doyle (we know about her here);
      Louise Ellman;
      Tom Greatrex (enough said already);
      Cathy Jamieson;
      Mark Lazarowicz;
      Andy Sawford;
      Ian Davidson (yes that one);
      George Ffoulkes (when he was in parliament);

      and a host of other familiar names.

      The Co-op is the enemy people. Stop shopping there.

    239. Gillie says:

      Who calls themselves One Nation Socialists?

      Who demonises and smears their political opponents?

      Who invaded Iraq and warred in Afghanistan and Kosovo leading to the deaths of tens of thousands of civilians?

      Who pursues right wing economic and social policies that benefit the rich but are to the detriment of the poor.

      Who blamed migrants for stealing others jobs?

      Who ruined and bankrupted the economy leading to years of austerity?

      Who believe that Anschluss (which is actually German for political union) is for the good of Scotland?

      Labour that’s who?

    240. Grouse Beater says:

      Heedtracker: Prof Tomkins cant stop either.

      The Albiesalba rubbish runs from waffle to gobbledygook.

      I can’t believe a single person reads beyond his first paragraph. Visually his posts are unreadable nevermind intellectually chaotic.

      The repetition alone puts you off; obscure statistics, constantly quoting eastern European countries with little or no relationship to Scotland; nil evidence to back up wild claims and accusations; his attempts to smear the first person who wonders if he is sane, all up up to a man on the edge of a nervous breakdown.

      He has compulsions he can’t control.

      Don’t forget, he began his tirades pretending to be a woman supporting independence.

      He took the line, autonomy was a good thing if only the SNP were not offering Scotland the opportunity – the usual unionist troll tactic to attract and repel.

      If you manage to read one of his 1,000 words-plus posts in its entirety you come to the conclusion this is a man who has no politics and even less reason.

      His appearance confirms a regrettable downside of the internet. It allows the sociopath and the dafty free expression to exercise their fantasies and spew animus.

    241. Muscleguy says:

      @John Allan

      Expect to be kicked out of a YouGov political poll then as people like you can’t possibly exist in sufficient numbers to show up on such a sample.

      YouGov seem to operate on the principle that people can’t change without changing their voting recall. Your Labour membership and voting patterns must be misremembered. So you must in fact be an SNP voter and they downgrade Yes supporting SNP voters.

      The weightings just don’t work properly for the referendum. If you add in that newly registered but not young voters will not have a voting recall so will be ignored. If they even have an internet connection in the first place of course. How you contact people for polling is becoming really fraught in terms of capturing a representative cross section of society. Many don’t have a fixed phone line for eg. The online panels are largely self selecting people interested in politics.

      That YouGov’s panel includes too many English born people in Scotland (50% too many) is an example of that.

    242. Dan Huil says:

      Mr Obama, Mrs Clinton – Happy Separation day!

    243. Robert Peffers says:

      And here we go again. Another day another brain numbing BBC Propaganda assault upon the Scottish nation and myself.

      I awake each morning to my bedside Radio Alarm tuned to BBC Radio Scotland. I was jolted into still groggy consciousness this morning by the voice of some, obviously under educated, English public school accented, supercilious numptie. The supercilious numptie was, as usual, talking absolute, complete and utter balderdash as is the wont of such poorly educated nitwits.

      So let’s examine the sheer idiocy of this person’s basic use of their own claimed native language. They claimed, and I paraphrase, it was inconceivable that if Scotland became independent, “THE BRITISH NAVY”, would ever again place orders for, “BRITISH SHIPS”, in Scotland.

      This numptie cannot even properly differentiate between the fairly easily defined terms, “Britain”, “Country”, “Kingdom” and, “United”. Would it be too much to expect these English public school numpties would at least attempt to speak to we English speaking Scots in standard English?

      Britain is a group of islands that contains several distinct countries. Britain is not a country.

      A Kingdom is the realm of a royal personage – King, Queen, Prince or Princess.

      The United Kingdom is a bipartite royal realm formed by an Act of Union and it contains only four of the British countries.

      Royal Navy, Royal Air Force and Queen’s Soldiers are the troops of the Monarchy and not the property of Her Majesty’s Government at Westminster.

      There are no such things as ”The” British Navy or ”The” British Armed Forces or even ”The”, British Government.

    244. Liquid Lenny says:

      Jim

      Im not saying that by voting No you are condoning paedophilia , what I am saying is that by association you are happy to support an institution that does. Same goes for Illegal wars, Illegal weapons of mass destruction etc.

      My English friends have no way of changing their political institutions, we have simply by putting an x on a box.

      People in Scotland need to make up there mind if they are happy to give there Vote to an Institution that is still covering up an historic paedophile ring within its walls.

      Make no bones about it, this lost dossier is rubbish, the security services will have all the details, if this is historical abuse then why not name the guilty or at least announce an inquiry or is something similar still going on?

    245. Grouse Beater says:

      Peffers spits: They claimed, and I paraphrase, it was inconceivable that if Scotland became independent, “THE BRITISH NAVY”, would ever again place orders for, “BRITISH SHIPS”, in Scotland.

      Oops!- I mean British grousebeater-wordpress

    246. Arabs for Independence says:

      Was looking for a holiday book and Winter in Madrid and Dominion by Scottish author C J Sansom appealed to me. However on reading about Mr Sansom it appears the prospect of independence is “heartbreaking” and he has donated £294,000 to Better Together.

      I won’t be buying any of his books again. I will stick to JK Rowling……oh didn’t she……..?

    247. Gillie says:

      Louise Morton claims she has apologised for her remarks, but no one can find her apology.

      Anyone spotted it? Maybe her son Sean can point to where it is.

    248. Dcanmore says:

      Happy Separation Day US citizens, or as Obama now calls it Interdependence Day!

      Won’t belong now before you give up and head back to mother Westminster 🙂

    249. Vestas says:

      @ Robert Peffers :

      Not sure if you were actually saying this but….

      The British Army are the only armed forces within the UK which do not belong to the crown.

      Seemed you were saying they were – they aren’t and never have been, not even pre-union.

      You’re spot-on with the Navy/Air Force though.

    250. Grouse Beater says:

      Arabs is disappointed: However on reading about Mr Sansom it appears the prospect of independence is “heartbreaking”

      That usually means their agent is in London, publisher too, and the majority of their readers are not in Scotland.

    251. Les Wilson says:

      On Boomberg this morning scrolling at bottom of screen

      ” Cameron’s focus is on killing off Scottish Independence, vote considered WON!”

      Arrogant git.

    252. heedtracker says:

      @ Grouse Beater, if Tomkins hadn’t tried to be clever with his Slovene Jezereena nonsense, he might actually have had something to say. But then is he the full ticket, probably not but CiF is now just outlet for his Scotland is nothing but a dictatorship under fascist AlicSamin and its not going to happen therapy. Why Glasgow uni think his conduct in public is acceptable for someone teaching law is currently under consideration.

    253. cynicalHighlander says:

      Episode 5: How Others See Us

      Well worth a listen.

      http://batemanbroadcasting.com/episode-5-others-see-us/

    254. JOHN says:

      a questionairre on independence was put to me recently and it was regards to my personal pension,which is paid out monthly and is controlled by a firm based in London.Now if we get independence where does my tax go?,Hollyrood or Westminster.If it is the latter then my pension will be the responsibility of Westminster,no,if the fund goes bust as i am paying tax to Westminster i am covered by their insurance policy or will they refuse to cover my pension.?

    255. Kenny Campbell says:

      Sorry what is the link from Tomkins to the faux Slovenian from the Herald ?

    256. bookie from hell says:

      is this what Louise meant?

      http://norrie.wordpress.com/2014/07/04/finger-pointing/

    257. Robert Peffers says:

      @Grouse Beater says: 4 July, 2014 at 9:47 am

      “Peffers spits: They claimed, and I paraphrase, it was inconceivable that if Scotland became independent, “THE BRITISH NAVY”, would ever again place orders for, “BRITISH SHIPS”, in Scotland.”,

      “Here you! Ah divna spit. Its no a afu parteeclar thing tae dae.” (owersettin intil the Inglis fir ootlin gadgies). “Excuse me! I do not spit. It is not a hygenic thing to do”.

      ;-))

    258. Grouse Beater says:

      Peffers: Ah divna spit.

      Chuckle…

      I remember this: Walking in the company of my first Chinese friend – nose clamped by thumb and forefinger, he emptied the content of his nose into the gutter. I chided him it was not the habit here. (For some it is.) He said:

      “Why would I do as you do? Put it into a cloth and keep it in my pocket?”

    259. Mary Bruce says:

      Why are they so keen on “killing off Scottish independence”? Why the need for a substantial victory? Might it be so that we are helpless and unable to object to the forced removal of powers and funding that they have in store for us? If the vote is under 45% they will probably declare that it is an official request from the Scottish people for the removal of the Scottish Parliament.

    260. heedtracker says:

      ” Cameron’s focus is on killing off Scottish Independence, vote considered WON!”

      Arrogant git.

      At least its honest and bullshit free. Cameron will be a glorious ukok hero if bettertogether wins, in England. In Scotland, he’ll be patient, conciliatory, his unbroken heart filled with love for all of us.

    261. X_Sticks says:

      O/T

      Coulson jailed for 18 months. Just a few decades short of justice.

      Hope Sheridan now moves forward with his appeal. That should be interesting.

    262. Grouse Beater says:

      Mary Bruse: If the vote is under 45%

      Anything under 50% will be seen as a mandate to reduce powers and impose greater taxes and social service cuts. Anything barely above 50% will be argued unsettled and to be resisted. We shall then have to endure another year of the Torrance brigade patronising the nation, and BBC Scotland telling us ten million silent Tory voters were not represented.

    263. Bugger (the Panda) says:

      There is an outstanding charge against Coulson in Scotland

    264. bookie from hell says:

      X_Sticks says:
      4 July, 2014 at 10:29 am
      O/T

      Coulson jailed for 18 months. Just a few decades short of justice.

      Hope Sheridan now moves forward with his appeal. That should be interesting.

      http://lallandspeatworrier.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/coulsons-conviction-sheridans-release.html

    265. X_Sticks says:

      Thanks bookie, I had missed that one.

    266. Gillie says:

      All F35s grounded after major incident.

      http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/02/us-lockheed-fighter-inspections-idUSKBN0F72F020140702

      The reason – the engine ripped through the top of the plane

    267. Grouse Beater says:

      Coulson jailed for 18 months

      Above the law Murdoch gets richer.

    268. X_Sticks says:

      I see there’s a large grey thing on bbc 24 news. I thought at first it was an elephant but apparently its a carrier. I suppose if it was an elephant it would be white.

    269. Pierre says:

      John
      I’m also English, still (just) a Labour Party member and am voting YES in September. My Scottish wife (also a Labour member) is also YES so as someone above mentioned the link to past voting is perhaps suspect?

    270. Archie [not Erchie] says:

      @ kendomacaroonbar – Ignarus quod insulto tamen laurifer in pugna.

      Literally – Ignored and derided but victorious in battle.

    271. Mary Bruce says:

      @grousebeater: yes, you’re right, 50%+1 is all they need. So why are they so keen on a greater victory? To wipe Scotland off the face of the earth, whilst claiming we asked for it is why.

    272. kendomacaroonbar says:

      @Archie (not Erchie)

      Thank you sir !

    273. Greannach says:

      My uncle and my two neighbours were lifelong members and activists of the Labour Party in Moray. All three let their membership lapse in the 1990s within weeks of each other after decades of loyalty. They left because their party had been hijacked. Only one of them is still alive and is deeply ashamed of what Labour now is.

    274. Paul says:

      Yes voters shouldn’t get too alarmed at the latest uttering’s from another Labour non-entity. Every day more and more people care less and less what they say the tide is with yes nearly every one I speak to says they are voting Yes and that is in Edinburgh People are genuinely sick off the Labtory party.

    275. Jim says:

      @Liquid Lenny
      I would say it is still going on as I doubt a pedophile ring would cease all activity, the saville, harris cases would cause them to be a little more careful that’s all but, if you haven’t then read up on the Holly Grieg case and make your own mind up whether a yes vote would mean leaving an institution that covers up pedophile rings at the highest level.

    276. Andy-B says:

      Miliband, is now running scared of Scottish independence, claiming, the rUK would be deeply disadvantaged, Miliband spews the usual rubbish about the race to the bottom.

      http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/politics/referendum-news/independent-scotland-would-be-disadvantaged-says-miliband.24662712

    277. Andy-B says:

      Patronising, from the BBC aka the Better Together Broadcasting Corporation.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28088409

    278. Bob Sinclair says:

      Kendomacaroonbar

      I’m not this smart, this is an online translation:

      “Primum non ignorare vos, et rident, et veniunt ad te, et tu viceris

    279. Andy-B says:

      Nigel Farage and UKIP to stage an anti-Scottish independence rally in Scotland this September, Farage hopes to stop Scottish independence.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/10945216/Nigel-Farage-to-stage-anti-independence-rally-days-before-Scottish-referendum.html

    280. ScotFree1320 says:

      bookie from hell says:
      4 July, 2014 at 10:39 am
      X_Sticks says:
      4 July, 2014 at 10:29 am

      I still can’t understand why he wasn’t charged for accessing a computer system (the answerphone) when he wasn’t entitled to, contrary to the Misuse Of Computers Act as well as the rest.

    281. Gizmo says:

      Why do they call us fascists? It’s reactionary as Scottish Labour have, for too long, just expected us to do our job ie vote Labour and shut up.

      We aren’t doing this anymore and those used to getting their own way DO NOT like it.

      Slab are like a child having a hissy tantrum, resisting learning the lesson or growing up. It will be their undoing as their nasty spine is exposed for all to see.

    282. Liquid Lenny says:

      Jim

      No Im not familiar with the Holly Grieg case, will have a check on google.

    283. Kevin says:

      Let us never forget all the slurs and names,and never vote labour again

    284. B.Bomb says:

      Ed’s at it again

      http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/miliband-in-plea-for-no-vote-1.456258

      This guy just makes me want to scream!

    285. Jim says:

      “In a way that’s what that great-grandmother was saying to me. She’s saying, ‘I’m Scottish but my great-grandkids live in England. Why would I want them to be apart, to be foreigners to me?”

      So, he’s making up what the mysterious Great-Grandmother said. In a way, I think what Miliband was was trying to say was, “I’m a racist, what does that mean for my children when Scotland becomes foreign, will they be racist too?”
      I am not saying Miliband is racist just doing what he did.



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