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    1. jimnarlene says:

      A bear did it, and it morphed into a giant media squirrel.

    2. Street Andrew says:

      And if you could see May’s footprints in Chris’s cartoon they would be webbed like a gull.

      That the Bear story has any traction is a triumph of MSM propaganda. Transparent BS.

      Well done BooBoo May.

    3. Clootie says:

      …loved the touch with the fake “bear print” devices thrown into the bushes 🙂

    4. Effijy says:

      Searching for a Get out Bear Clause!

      The woman is Bruined.

      I predict a Grizzly end.

    5. Morgatron says:

      Shes a great leader , she is demonstrating to us of what a strong and safe pair of hands we have guarding us from those pesky Ruskies . Has the world went potty, but it just shows you how gullible people are if you keep repeating the same mantra . Chris, i did hope your toon would involve this make believe incident which we know very little of at all. Its just superb as always.

    6. ronnie anderson says:

      It canny be the Bear that did it everybody knows Bears only shit in da woods

    7. Morgatron says:

      She canny bear it!

    8. Morgatron says:

      Bear faced liar.

    9. Robert Louis says:

      The political mainstream media of the UK should hang their heads in shame. They are nothing short of Westminster puppets. The Government tells them the Russians did it, and the Russians are awful, and they duly scurry away to write their parroted, dogma-driven rubbish. No critique, no questioning. The London Government says it, so we must believe it.

      BUT, what is even worse, is the absolute vilification by those same unthinking and uncritical so-called ‘journalists’ of anybody who dares to question the narrative.

      We fully expect such behaviour of the state run, and London controlled propagandist mouthpiece, the BBC, but too many so-called ‘journalists’ just took every word by Theresa May as the gospel.

      Just like Iraq. Just like the WMD’s ‘that can be used by Saddam to attack us in fifteen minutes’. Just like the ‘sexed up’ dossier’. A pack of lies. These so-called ‘journalists’ have learnt nothing.

      What an utter joke the UK has become. Their is NOTHING great in Great Britain.

      Time for Scotland to rip up the treaty we have with England, and let them go their own way, with their brexit stupidity. Time for Scotland to be independent again.

    10. Luigi says:

      Masters of distraction.

      When the BBC squirrels morph into nasty bears, you just know that things are not going well for old Blighty.

      Not well at all. 🙂

    11. Luigi says:

      They may just be able to hold what’s left of the empire together until the next royal sprog arrive. 🙂

    12. Luigi says:

      They may just be able to hold what’s left of the empire together until the next royal sprog arrives. 🙂

    13. Luigi says:

      They may just be able to hold on to what’s left of the empire until the next royal sprog arrives. 🙂

    14. Alan Mackintosh says:

      TROLL…!

    15. Alan Mackintosh says:

      Referencing Troll Hunter of course…

    16. carjamtic says:

      Nice Chris.

      This ‘new’ low bench mark looks to have the BBC stamp of approval.

      #wayfinders

    17. Highland Wifie says:

      Last century she would have got away with it. In 2018 not so much.
      Fewer people swallow this state led propaganda.
      Great cartoon Chris – still chuckling at the paw stamps in the bushes.

    18. Arthur Martin says:

      When this news broke one of the first questions I asked myself was what has Russia to gain from this? The second was why have they left a smoking gun at the scene leading right back to them?
      I wouldn’t trust the British Government as far as I could throw them, it’s not as if they haven’t used these tactics before to justify their illegal actions. Gullibility and ignorance are endemic in large sections of the general public and many thousands appear to go through life in a permanent state of distraction. Sometimes I sit and wonder what makes these people tick.

    19. fillofficer says:

      all this has done is guarantee a landslide victory for Vlad in the upcoming election. the english government are a laughing stock to anyone with half a brain cell. hopefully this farce will be exposed soon & ref2 can proceed

    20. Kangaroo says:

      All the evidence suggests that they haven’t a clue whodunnit.

      Seems to me that it could well be the case they needed a deflection and Russia is the current flavour for deflecting.

      As a poster on the previous thread suggests perhaps they are again going to go for a GE to try and get a bigger majority. The English vote Tory in droves when there is a perceived National Security threat. This would allow TM to progress Brexit on her own terms without having to worry about the more extreme elements. They could also try and bulldoze the SG and further erode the SNP at Westminster.

      The next few weeks should be interesting with regards to EU Brexit negotiations, Continuity Bill and #BearGate.

      In the meantime an interesting reflection.
      https://ejmagnier.com/2018/03/16/the-regional-international-demarcation-line-in-daraa-is-approaching-flashpoint/

      https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/of-a-type-developed-by-liars/

    21. Bob Mack says:

      To be fair. Russia could have done the deed, but evidence is about proving that fact. What is emerging by the day is that this was the most cack handed assassination attempt in history with several suspects and lines of inquiry.

      May has jumped the gun completely and is now trying to force belief on the public. Nothing like a bit of jingoism to boost your popularity and deflect at the same time. This reeks of that.

      Iraq has taught us much in some cases,but others never learn.

    22. Ottomanboi says:

      When did the Brutish state every require factual evidence. It is enough to ‘feel’ the threat for the old lion to get the imperial hump. In all this we might regard Russia as our friend. We do have a common enemy after all, the lying, propagandist BritState media being one of the elements.
      The National party should demand to see the evidence for this charge. Until then we may simply assume Brexit smoke screen and Brit pique at losing face: Britannia contra mundum.
      ‘Great Game II’ will soon be available on line.

    23. Kyle Knox says:

      Considering the History of Russia/USSR and that Sergei Skripal was a double-spy who had betrayed Russia, it not only seems plausible or probably that Russia did have something in it, but, rather, likely.

      Russia is no friend of the West. That is absolutely clear, especially to Eastern European countries who live in fear of coming under the Russian influence once more.

      I would say that Theresa May’s reaction was a right one.

    24. ScottieDog says:

      Certainly feels like end game for the yoonited kingdom.
      The MSM emperor is naked.

    25. Clootie says:

      If you read any of the critical comments levied against RT and substitute “BBC” for “RT” then the article still makes sense.
      Of course RT, Aljazeera etc have a political bias but I would argue that it far less than the
      BBC. IThe BBC is merely the child of Pathe News and other propaganda tools.

    26. Luigi says:

      Another snap GE to deal with Corbyn, dump the DUP and spike the SG plans for IndyRef2?

      Mmmm – the tories must be tempted, they really must.

      They would have to dump May first, of course.

      Extremely high risk, but these dopes are getting desperate.

      Popcorn ordered. 🙂

    27. wull2 says:

      I think the squirrel has fell out the tree for most people to see.

    28. Grouse Beater says:

      What a week for commie haters, Chris. What a week for the Tory Party resurrecting the Cold War to smear opponents. Doddy and his tickling stick hardly in his grave when up pops McCarthy with his hammer and sickle.

      How swiftly can we dump the despicable state called Englandshire?

      Your essential weekend reading:

      Russians assassins: https://wp.me/p4fd9j-mtG
      Another assassin: https://wp.me/p4fd9j-mtL

      Remember – don’t talk about loving ‘red’ sunsets!

    29. Luigi says:

      I really hope that May (or her replacement) refuses to sanction IndyRef 2 and Nicola goes ahead with it anyway.

      What to do? Would the tories then initiate a yoon boycott of Indyref2, or would they ignored the result if it went against them?

      Either way, the union could not survive a constitutional crisis of such magnitude.

    30. Breeks says:

      Crying wolf when it’s a bear wot dun it?

      Can’t the clowns even get that story straight?

    31. Ottomanboi says:

      The Russian bear actually keeps rather cool. Not so long ago Nato staged wargames in the Baltic zone not far from St Peterburg. Imagine the Western response if Russia were to conduct such warlike activity in the North Sea. Boris the Crumpled would huff n puff to a braying assembly waving order papers in a provocative manner.

    32. HandandShrimp says:

      There seems to be a depressing inevitability of a slide towards another cold war. Just like the events leading up to WW1, there is a gung ho self righteousness on all sides, with the Americans convinced of Russian interference in their elections, EU concerns over Ukraine and the increasingly self confident but also increasingly autocratic Russia. Just like the assassination of Franz Josef was just a tipping point we seem to have reached a tipping point with the use of WMD in a NATO country. Rational thinking doesn’t enter into it, the events have their own momentum.

      Buckle up for the ride.

    33. Marcia says:

      We had ‘Reds under the Beds’ at the time of the General Election held on 28th February 1974. It didn’t do the Tories any good then.

    34. Sinky says:

      This morning’s North British newspaper has a puff piece by Richard Leonard repeating his lack of knowledge that Employment Law is reserved or that Procurement is being power grabbed by Westminster.

      Also former Labour candidate John McKendrick QC on Darien Scheme and dangers of going it alone.

    35. Norman Munro says:

      Are the Tories looking for another Falklands boost?

    36. Breeks says:

      Kangaroo says:
      17 March, 2018 at 9:12 am
      Perhaps #BearGate is part of a bigger issue…

      Hmmmm…. I’ve heard a prophesy about “bear gates” being thrown open…

    37. Socrates MacSporran says:

      Rev. Can I suggest you make a Facebook-type emoji bar available for Chris’s Saturday cartoon.

      I was looking to put-in a “pissing myself laughing” emoji when I looked at today’s offering.

      The bear paw stencil sticking out of the bushes – brilliant.

      All that is missing is the suirrel.

    38. Famous15 says:

      It give me pause to reflect on what bears did in the forest!

    39. Graemeo Rab says:

      I think The WM Tory cabal have over egged this one. Many will be willing to take Westminster’s word knowing full well should they mess up they will stand entirely alone.

    40. stu mac says:

      @Clootie says:
      17 March, 2018 at 8:59 am
      Of course RT, Aljazeera etc have a political bias but I would argue that it far less than the BBC.
      ===============================================

      I watched (via web) that episode of Alex Salmon’s show. The first third of the show was an interview with Peter Tatchell on LGBT rights in Russia and he described how on a LGBT rights march there he was attacked and beaten up (along with many others) by Nazi-style thugs while the police looked on approvingly – and indeed saw one thug walk through police lines afterwards seemingly known to them. This hardly shows Russia in a good light and surely wouldn’t have been shown if RT was indeed merely a Putin mouthpiece.

      This shows – and perhaps Alex was able to arrange his appearance on the show at the same time as he interviewed the ex-MI5 person (who was scathingly critical of the assumptions made by May and her cronies – and the Media) to undermine the inevitable attacks on his show; not that it stopped them but it does make them look silly.

    41. Socrates MacSporran says:

      Absolute gold on the Rev’s twitter feed this morning.

      The Stephen Hawking tweets are particularly funny.

    42. galamcennalath says:

      Without detracting from the obscenity and horror of what was done to the Skripals, it was all a bit ham fisted in comparison to what the Russian state have done.

      In the case of Alexander Litvinenko the ‘murder weapon’ was intended to never be identified. It was only found to be Polonium-210 because of a scientific fluke when one scientist overheard other mystified ones chatting. The level of sophistication in the Litvinenko attack was much higher.

      In the Skripal case, the ‘weapon’ was likely to be found. The perpetrators would know this and presumably that was intentional.

      Of course there will be details which have been unreleased. On the face of it, things look distinctly dodgy and unprofessional.

    43. Ken500 says:

      Do not read this comment if you do not want, it is not compulsory. Reader beware.

      Just anecdotal how far things have come. A voter who detest politics and politicians with a vengeance. A stanch immoveable rock. Intransigence No Party member. Condemns them all with malicious comment and disgust. Conservative with a small ‘c’ . Although having more radical views when younger.

      Yet Voted Tory, NO and Brexit and denied it. (might get slagged off) Despite endless attempts of persuasion. All the usual derogatory comments. Slagg off the EU. They do not understand it. Or it’s workings. They were quite a Farague admirer – irrationally bigoted -but it is possible they would not vote UKIP. In any case no candidate. They like and admire Putin and he is the only one speaking sense and occasionally Trump. Not a total bad guy but they blow hot and cold. They not like Obama/Clinton. They detest the illegal wars and are worried irrationally about terrorism. Do not like migration. Believe in the illuminati.

      They are now so enraged at the situation. They are writing letters to Alex Salmond to give support and congratulations.(always had a sneaking admiration) Sending letters to the local Tory MP and other Tory representatives. with condemnation. Totally unthinkable before. They are totally raging about Spygate and what the Tories unionists are doing.A total 100% turnaround. Almost miraculous conversion. Unbelievable. Many ‘l told you so’ comments. Not being gratefully received. They like to be right.

      Everyone in these circles who voted Brexit. A few. Even though they support the SNP and Independence. (The majority). They were warned. They want another IndyRef2, in any case and would still vote SNP and YES. They totally regret voting Brexit and want another EU Ref.

    44. Bob Mack says:

      Let us make no mistake here. Put in as former head of FCB was responsible for many political assassinations especially around Chechnya.He is not a nice man at all. He has in fact expanded the role of the FCB which now includes Spetznaz and all scientific forces.

      However, this country lives by the Rule of Law which means that clear unambiguous evidence is required before reaching a conclusion. That has not been done. It is not weakness to demand proof regardless of what the jingoistic say.

    45. auld highlander says:

      It must be true because the BBC said so?????

      An amateur attempt and botched to make it look like the commies did it.

    46. Gfaetheblock says:

      Should Nicola Sturgeon not be standing next to May?

    47. Robert Peffers says:

      Pandas are bears, are they not? And the Scottish immigrant Pandas breeding programme has just been suspiciously suspended.

      Rev Stu goes on Bear Patrol – was he the real intended victim?

      Theresa and her pals are bare faced liars – was it her?

    48. William Wallace says:

      I’ve noted some people saying that this is a good opportunity for May to project herself as a “strong and stable” leader during this potentially manufactured “crisis” and call another general election for reasons other posters have already outlined (Commie Corbyn, increased majority, Salmond and RT, shake off the DUP and damage the SNP etc).

      Which got me thinking about the previous general election timing in relation to high profile events so I quickly checked the dates out of curiosity.

      Let me point out that I am not inferring anything from the following dates but, the timing is certainly interesting. Obviously you’d have to go full tinfoil hat here and draw some fairly outlandish conclusions but, if another election was called on the back of the pesky Russians shenanigans, I would certainly find it deeply concerning.

      22 March: 2017 Westminster attack – Khalid Masood, a 52-year-old British man, born in Kent as Adrian Elms, drove a car into pedestrians on Westminster Bridge, before crashing the vehicle into the Palace of Westminster’s perimeter. He then entered the grounds of the Palace of Westminster, the meeting place of the Houses of Parliament, before being confronted by a police officer. Masood then fatally wounded the officer, which led to him being shot by armed police officers protecting the Palace. Four other people were killed in the attack, and 49 other people were injured. The attack was treated as an act of terrorism motivated by Islamic extremism.

      22 May: 2017 Manchester Arena bombing – A large explosion caused by Salman Abedi, a British suicide attacker of Libyan descent with a bomb at the Manchester Arena, Manchester, killing 22 individuals and injuring 250 at the end of an Ariana Grande concert. This was the worst terrorist attack in Britain since the 7/7 London bombings in 2005. Many of the 22 victims were children or teenagers, the youngest being an eight-year-old girl.

      3 June: June 2017 London attack. Less than two weeks after the Manchester Arena bombing, a second terrorist attack occurred on British soil, this time in London. A total of eight people were killed and at least 48 injured, some critically. A white van drove at high speed across London Bridge, running into groups of people, then crashed. The occupants then ran to nearby Borough Market, where they stabbed more people. All three of the terrorists responsible were shot dead by police eight minutes after the incident was reported. All three were wearing imitation suicide bomb vests.

      8 June 2017: The 2017 United Kingdom general election took place on Thursday 8 June, having been announced just over 1 month earlier by Prime Minister Theresa May on 17 April 2017 after it was discussed at cabinet.

      As I said it is full blown tinfoil hat material but, it speaks volumes in my lack of trust in all things Westmonster/establishment that such cynical thoughts could even cross my mind.

    49. Muscleguy says:

      @Luigi
      Well they tried to offload Pitcairn on New Zealand. After NZ pragmatically hosted the Pitcairn paedophile trials HMG enquired of NZG if they wanted to take Pitcairn on.

      At the time NZ was engaged, under the UN Decolonisation Program in trying to persuade Niue, responsibility for which NZ inherited from Britain, to vote for Independence. They voted No, before we did. Vast majority of the working age population are in NZ earning money for remittances home. They greatly fear losing that. Little income from Niue, coral cliffs instead of beaches so little tourism. Pretty stamps, some copra, that’s about it.

    50. Muscleguy says:

      Oh and of course a large Exclusive Economic Marine Area. Which NZ patrols for them. Without that, on their own dollar they would get their seas raped by China and Taiwan.

    51. Hamish100 says:

      gtaeeffinblock

      If you listened to the FM it is clear she has her own concerns based on the simple fact she stated that ” if what we have been told is accurate” But you knew that block. U a corbynister apologist ?

    52. Proud Cybernat says:

      Says it all, Chris. Super, smashing, great!

      O/T

      BREAKING from Pravda Quay
      with Union Jackie Kim Ono:

      https://i.imgur.com/Q0CiiS0.jpg

    53. Capella says:

      GMS today heroically pushing the “Evil Putin” line and tarnishing Jeremy Corbyn while they’re at it. Clunky cold war language such as “the state apparatus” thrown in. Text book propaganda mode.

      They even managed a “who is Seamus Milne” item without mentioning that he is the son of Alasdair Milne, former DG of the BBC, sacked by Thatcher for making great BBC programmes.

      Corbyn and Milne are sinister Commie sympathisers, patsies of Evil Putin. That’s who they are, says the BBC.
      Nicola has escaped that fate, so far.

    54. Capella says:

      Forgot to say – great cartoon as ever, Chris. Those bear print stencils will have “Made in the USSR” in ENGLISH stamped on them. (I’ve actually seen that in a preious cold war campaign. Clumsy).

    55. Bill not Ben says:

      Its a funny old world ( Mr Putin )

      Lots of people say Mr Putin is not a nice man, when what they should really be saying is, politics and espionage are not nice fields to be involved in.
      But they are both what they are, and we have to live with it, lets look at Mr Putin first, yes he has been behind a lot of dodgy stuff, so was thatcher, she give the order to sink the Belgrano in the falklands war, hundreds of young men where murdered by her when that ship was destroyed, it was certainly a war crime, and it was done in front of the whole world and nothing was done to her, so we have had bad people as our prime minister.
      George Bush was once the leader of the CIA, now the CIA has a bigger budget than lots of countries throughout the world, been involved in murders, assassinations, overthrown governments, they do it all, George Bush took us into the gulf war, lots of people killed by the american military in this war, was George Bush a nice man.
      So before anyone starts to say Putin is not a very nice person, just remember politics can be a dirty business, and the west has had our dirty hands in most of the troubles, even if its just supplying the hardware for the warring factions to kill each other

    56. TheWasp says:

      On RT this morning the whole Salisbury fiasco taken apart by George Galloway and his guest on the Sputnik programme

    57. Bob Mack says:

      @Bill not Ben,

      Just to be clear. Are you actually claiming being a politician can justify murder ?

    58. heedtracker says:

      Chilling stuff. Hope to god Putin’s as smart as he’s meant to be. All it takes is a psycho trying to deal with the tories here and that’s it. Although it didn’t stop the end of Sadam or Gadafi. This whole nightmare’s a BBC production too. The lunatics have taken over treamGB.

    59. TheBuchanLoony says:

      Gfaetheblock @ 1.39 I will repeate what I said on a previous posting…I believe the SNP’s support for the, no evidence, Novichock poisoning pantomime has outsmarted the Tory government. There is little doubt that Teresa May going large on this event has brought welcome squirrel deflection from the Brexit mess still going on in the background but I also think that they thought they could include a conveniently timed trap to demonise and undermine the Scottish governments credibility in the ‘power grab’ negotiations. In 2003 the SNP MP’s were vilified for voting against the Iraq war. I believe the Tories also expected the SNP to have a similar stance to Jeremy Corbin and ask for evidence and independent proof of Russian involvement (especially as Ecky is ‘under the Kremlin’s control’ on RT). This would then allow a MSM and BBC onslaught of the SNP for ‘not bringing the country together’ in times of attack by a very bad Mr Putin. (Patriotism for ‘our’ union, SNP are tractors etc). I think Nicola has brilliantly avoided this trap and outwitted Teresa May in saying that, based on the briefing the SNP has received from the ‘security services’, they fully support her. When it all comes out that it was all lies and falsehoods then Nicola is squeaky clean and can still say that she acted on the information she was told by May’s government at the time.

    60. Iain mhor says:

      Well, Scotland’s chief export has been her people and I don’t doubt in this new McCarthyite era, any country too close to the Russian Bear will feel it’s wrath.
      Scotland, as ever, has history all over the glibe but the Russian connection is notable : General Patrick Gordon (Peter the Greats right hand), Alexander Leslie, Prince Mikhail Barclay de Tolly – 15 Russian generals and two field marshalls,
      Samuel Greig, full admiral and father of the Modern Russian Navy (his grandson was Minister of Finance) Scores of Russian Scots achieved flag rank in the Imperial Navy.
      That’s not to mention the engineers, architects, artists, merchants and a swathe of other talented Scots (or those of Scots ancestry) who made their mark in Russia.

      Quite a few Russians figures found their way to Scotland as well – Members of the Romanov dynasty and Dmitry Mendeleyev among them. Of course we also share a Patron Saint.
      Frankly, if we are going to be asked if tbere are any Reds under our Beds – the answers will give them apoplexy.

      *I forgot to engage in regurgitating endlessly inane banalities and hurling invective at other posters – sorry maybe next time*

    61. jfngw says:

      @Capella

      I fully expect anyone questioning the Russian conclusions without the full evidence will soon be receiving a white Ushanka.

    62. mogabee3 says:

      Bill not Ben

      So true about the espionage business. Not obviously for the feint hearted or the squeamish, and not just a Russia issue!

      Great ‘toon Chris, epitomises the deep mistrust and dissatisfaction with the UK state.

      I bet most of us, ordinary folk, could come up with a better ‘kill’ scenario than this whole Salisbury fuck up which is amateurish at best and hilariously incompetent at worst.

      If someone had suggested a film with a plot as far-fetched as the one in play atm, they’d be laughed out of Hollywood. I await the addition of aliens to make the situation more believable! 😀

    63. Capella says:

      Neither Saddam nor Gadaffi had nuclear weapons. Kim Jong Un has. Putin could wipe out the world. So no – there wont be a hot war with Russia (fingers crossed!)IMO.

      Next target is Iran. They don’t yet have nuclear weapons but they have the world’s largest reserves of oil.

      Lesson – get yourself some nuclear weapons if you want to protect yourself from “the West”.

    64. schrodingers cat says:

      TheBuchanLoony says:
      When it all comes out that it was all lies and falsehoods then Nicola is squeaky clean and can still say that she acted on the information she was told by May’s government at the time.

      —————–
      nothing will ever come out but the media may change its tact, as per the iraq fiasco. then again, no one is going to suggest war with russia, they will balk at that, they dont even want to interupt the world cup.

      ————
      re the toon, bears usually shit in the woods, not on their doorstep

    65. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      If the trolls contribute lots to this site and genuine enthusiasts stop posting because of that the trolls win.
      Just scroll past them.
      Wings is far to valuable to lose.

      Actually some of the trollings give good opportunity to refine our positions.

    66. Bob Mack says:

      Putin does not want to wipe out the world. What he does want though is to recreate the former Soviet Union. There are many reasons for this the most prominent of which is State Security. In almost every war Russia has found its territory occupied on the first day. The Soviet system created a barrier to that event.

      Putin will in future try to recreate that, but more so because he wants to leave a historical legacy. His name revered for all time in Russia.The end of civilisation does not serve him well in that regard.

      I think conflict is off the cards for now,but relationships will be tense for some considerable time no doubt.

    67. heedtracker says:

      Lesson – get yourself some nuclear weapons if you want to protect yourself from “the West”.

      And the “East” Capella. Ukraine gave there’s up. Putin invades.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine

      On December 5, 1994 the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, Britain and the United States signed a memorandum to provide Ukraine with security assurances in connection with its accession to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state”

      https://www.huffingtonpost.com/blake-fleetwood/too-bad-ukraine-didnt-kee_b_5235374.html

      In 1994, through an accident of fate, the newly independent country of Ukraine found itself in possession of the world’s third largest nuclear arsenal.

      At first, Ukraine planned to keep its nuclear weapons. But, at the insistence of the two strongest powers in the world — Russia and the United States — Ukraine agreed to give up their nukes in exchange for perpetual guarantees of sovereignty and territorial integrity.”

    68. wull2 says:

      What bears do in the forest, is what WM do to Scotland.
      Next time vote YES

    69. manandboy says:

      Grrreat cartoon, Chris!

      The UK continues to spiral out of control with the Tories at the helm.

      Scotland simply must get ready to strap on the parachutes and jump.

    70. handclapping says:

      As there is no colour how can we tell if the bear was black or brown? Or even, looking out the window, polar?

    71. Capella says:

      A bizarre coincidence? Someone has posted video of a truckload of weapons headed for the rebels in E Ghouta. Intercepted by the Syrian army, allegedly.
      A canister labelled “Salisbury, England” clearly displayed at 42 seconds.
      https://muraselon.com/en/2018/03/syrian-army-intercepts-militant-transport-truck-destined-for-east-ghouta-video/

    72. Proud Cybernat says:

      O/T

      To celebrate its 1000th edition, I’ve just taken out a year’s online subscription to The National.

      https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2018/03/15/happy-1000th-to-the-national/

      I will still be buying the occasional hard copy too which I usually place in the Metro bins at various transport stations and I would encourage those who purchase hard copies that, once you’ve read it, do the same. Pass on the truth.

    73. Croompenstein says:

      Brilliant Chris, surely worth a pay rise .. 🙂

    74. Andy-B says:

      Why would Putin deploy a nerve agent that would instantly be recognisable, it doesn’t make sense.

      Meanwhile Porton Down is to receive a £48 million pound investment, was that the intention all along?

    75. heedtracker says:

      Its working, shock! After only 2 weeks of full on BBC bizzaro vote Teresa propaganda/ Poor old Jeremy really does look like Lenin. What a break for beeb graphics gimpery. Is there a snap GE poll trigger number though?

      YouGov / Times voting intention
      CON 42%(+1)
      LAB 39%(-4)
      LDEM 7%(nc)

    76. Lenny Hartley says:

      Bob Mack relationships have been tense for since Russia invaded Ukraine. Prestwick is being used as an airbridge to reinforce Nato Troops from US to Estonia and other friendly Baltic States, Hercs and other Transport planes are there often. there were 8 kc135 tankers supporting b1/b2 deployments on one day last week before the latest incident took to the airwaves. The Yanks have even put F35’s into England in the last year. To be fair its not needed as Puin is squeaking in his pants because UK put 800 troops into Estonia. probably what panicked him into trying to wipeout South East England with Nerve Gas ???

    77. Lenny Hartley says:

      Bob Mack relationships have been tense for since Russia invaded Ukraine. Prestwick is being used as an airbridge to reinforce Nato Troops from US to Estonia and other friendly Baltic States, Hercs and other Transport planes are there often. there were 8 kc135 tankers supporting b1/b2 deployments on one day last week before the latest incident took to the airwaves. The Yanks have even put F35’s into England in the last year. To be fair its not needed as Puin is squeaking in his pants because UK put 800 troops into Estonia. probably what panicked him into trying to wipeout South East England with Nerve Gas ???

    78. Peter Macbeastie says:

      So, I realised something this morning, having read one of the uniformly disbelieving pieces on this whole dodgy affair.

      All the people surrounding this, from the staff at the restaurant where they were allegedly poisoned, to the paramedics who attended the two Russians; the latter clearing airways and putting at least one of them into the recovery position, are fine. Not one of them has symptoms of poisoning.

      The ONLY other person to have symptoms of nerve agent poisoning is the policeman. Everything around him has been checked; he’s been lionised as a hero.

      And this doesn’t add up.

      He’s the only other person to be injured.
      His police car, his own car, and his house have all been cordoned off by forensic investigators. Which doesn’t make sense for a guy supposedly only poisoned on attending an incident.

      How does the UK government ‘know’ it’s Russia? They seem astonishingly convinced that it’s Russia; to the point where they actually seem to believe it. The only way they could have that level of certainty is if someone involved knew, like, for example, the guy who delivered the toxin.

      I have a suspicion the policeman is not the hero he’s being made out to be, and the Tories know that damn well.

    79. Meg merrilees says:

      Brilliant cartoon Chris.

      Wonder how the Marchs are going in Little Belfast, N. Lanarkshire this morning….?

      Re speculation that there may be a GE in the offing – I was looking at the roundup of the newspapers on BBC website this a.m and the front page of the The Daily Torygraph shows T. May cackhandedly trying to hold a baby ( looks all wrong and not at all natural!).

      My first thought was, oh-oh, there must be a GE coming soon.

    80. fillofficer says:

      macbeastie
      re : pc
      i concur

    81. Dr Jim says:

      The UK position is clear and unambiguous in that all the evidence we have points in no uncertain terms to Vladimir Putin and Russian involvement…we think…and the reason we know what we think is clear and unambiguous…we believe

      The British nation must stand ready to defend ourselves against attacks perceived or otherwise by nations intent on destabilising our democracy which is the bedrock on which we base British rule, this is the time for a unity of purpose to send a clear message to those who would destroy our British values and break our resolve

      So with this in mind we must inform all our citizens of the lies we are prepared to perpetrate on the people of our precious union to stop that bitch Sturgeon from removing up to one third of the UKs income by fucking off and dumping England who are the legitimate rulers of everything and ruining Englands Brexit

      Dammit I couldn’t keep it up….don’t press send..NO!.. no!.. NO!..Stop typing..stop it..

    82. Meg merrilees says:

      Peter Macbeastie

      following your notion:

      and the last we heard, the policeman was sitting up in bed chatting- at least a week ago, yet the two Russians have had NO update on their condition, or none that i’m aware of.

      Yes I did wonder about the nurse and Doctor who struggled to keep the daughter’s airway open- have they been affected, no-one has said. Surely they would have been hospitalised too.

      Is the total not something like 130 people apparently affected now?
      Why was salisbury not completely evacuated?
      Why are people being told it’s ok so long as you wash your clothes – shouldn’t they be told to burn their clothes and scrap the washing machines?
      It all seems rather odd.

    83. Valerie says:

      Firstly, great toon, Chris! So much fodder for your next book, which I will of course purchase immediately.

      @ Heed

      Don’t you hate it when you’re right? As we knew, the polls would start to move for May. For months, the difference was 1-2 points.

      The rent a crowd walkabout in Salisbury, with May collecting bouquets, and doing fistbumps (boak) will also help, she looked really happy, as 3 victims lay in hospital.

      Damn, it’s snowing now. Russkies again.

    84. Has anyone actually asked T.,May upfront why she will not give Russia a sample of the nerve gas we must assume her refusal to do so means it would prove Russia is not to blame also talking about removing people regarded as a threat to the state what about Willie Macrea Hilda Murrel or David Kelly ???

    85. heedtracker says:

      Relations with Russia are tense. Countries like Poland and Lithuania on their Russian border, all have carefully developed civilian evacuation plans, right down to leaving work and school instantly, keep home evacuation supply packs, food, water, clothes, car always topped up full of fuel etc.

      And then in piles Strong and Stable Teresa and her vast tory army of beeb gimps, right in the middle of the Brexit rolling catastrophe, as the tories rise in the polls.

    86. liz says:

      LOLZ. They have zero credibility. The UK is a laughing stock.

    87. Eppy says:

      Re Meg Merrilees @ 12.07

      I saw that picture of Theresa May with a 6 day old baby. The baby seemed only to be wearing a cotton baby grow with no hat.

      Meanwhile Theresa May was wearing what looks like a fleecy anorak over a padded jacket with a scarf. They both appear to be outside.

      It may have been warmer down south but the during this chilly spring, it doesn’t look a good image of caring from the PM.

    88. heedtracker says:

      I have a suspicion the policeman is not the hero he’s being made out to be, and the Tories know that damn well.

      Did the cop not try to administer CPR though?

    89. Robert Peffers says:

      @Clootie says: 17 March, 2018 at 8:59 am:

      “The BBC is merely the child of Pathe News and other propaganda tools.”

      Nah! It is the other way round. The original BBC was a group of Wireless Manufacturers including Marconi.

      “Wireless”, communication was then all Amateur, (Ham broadcasting). They wanted to sell Wireless sets and as their only customers were other hams the market was very small. So this group of Wireless manufacturers opened a Ham Wireless station with a ham call sign of, “2LO”. It was actually the second ham broadcaster, the first being 2MT.

      2MT was the first British radio station to make regular entertainment broadcasts, and the world’s first regular wireless broadcast for entertainment. It began transmissions on 14 February 1922 from an ex-Army hut next to the Marconi laboratories at Writtle, near Chelmsford in Essex.

      The LO bit in 2LO stands for London. 2LO broadcast news and music to London but 2LO only lasted a few years when The BBC was established by Royal Charter as, “The British Broadcasting Corporation”.

      The Charter defined the BBC’s objectives, powers and obligations and is mainly concerned with broad issues of policy, while the Director-General and senior staff are responsible for detailed fulfilment of that policy.

      So there you go – Westminster quickly realised the propaganda value of the new Wireless Broadcasting and so, “The British Broadcasting Corporation was the World’s very first State owned propaganda wireless broadcaster and has remained so ever since the day that Westminster took it over from the Hams.

      The myth that the licence holders fund the BBC is part of the propaganda for the licence fees began as a licence to transmit and receive ham wireless signals. The transmitters were legally forced to broadcast for a limited time and then had to listen for other hams to transmit in reply before returning to transmission.

      The receive only licence originally allowed the holder to receive all ham radio signals and the fees have always gone to the Treasury. The BBC, from day one, was funded by a grant from the Westminster Government and the government also issues the transmission licences to the broadcasters and those licence fees includes those of both RT and Al Jazeera.

      The BBC has always been a Westminster owned and Westminster funded propaganda tool and the listeners/viewers do not fund it but instead pay Westminster for the permission to listen and view the output of all, not just the BBC, transmissions.

    90. Maybe the reason Portman down is to receive all those millions is to plug all the leaks ???

    91. Macart says:

      Neatly done Chris. 🙂

    92. Reluctant Nationalist says:

      Another day in the life of Airstrip One. Hop, skip, jump to the yankee whistle.

    93. Hamish100 says:

      Blair,

      would you give a potential murderer the alleged weapon so the prints can be wiped clean despite the claim that they are innocent. If I hear correctly samples will be taken to the laboratory in the Hague and some other UN labs.
      For what it is worth I think the ex kgb types, political pyscophants, oligarths and crime lords are likely to be the same people.

      Conspiracy theories are great but can muddy the waters from some essential truths.
      Boris Johnston is a fud, Davidson cannie drive a tank across the Russian plains and May sat on the previous murder investigations as Home Secretary. Oh and another week avoiding brexit

    94. wull2 says:

      I posted at the beginning, if the SNP had said anything else they would have used Scotland as a squirrel, instead they are using Jeremy.
      We are doing what they want, talking about anything but Brexit.

    95. Macart says:

      @schrodingers cat

      Pretty much and yes I’d say that’s fair comment to your post on the subject yesterday.

      Just catching up. 🙂

    96. Ottomanboi says:

      ‘In Ukraine, a group commonly referred to as “oligarchs” control a significant portion of the economy, particularly in the spheres of mass media, energy and heavy industries such as steel and chemicals. Many of these oligarchs enjoy immunity from prosecution thanks to their seats in the Rada (parliament)’
      The above from a site called globalsecurity.org
      The Ukrainian arms industry is the most advanced sector of the economy and receives technological assistance from the US, among others.
      Ukrain is a classic kleptocracy…but it’s pro~west, so that*s ok.

    97. Calum McKay says:

      A convenient, opportune and timely bear ! ?

      I am open minded to what has happened.

      Those rushing and pushing others to put two and two together are the same people who wanted war in Iraq and to bomb Syria.

      The very belated appearance of guys in nuclear protective clothing with press cameras present was painting the picture the government wanted the population to swallow. Requesting people in Salisbury wash clothes a week after the event was intended to reinforce this position. Not providing Russia with evidence of the substance used just looks dodgy.

      Conversely, if it evidenced it is Russia behind this attack then expelling 23 diplomats is a waste of time and does not meet the gravity of the crime, all ties should be cut and oligarchs plus their money sent back to Russia.

      There is a whiff about this that if it is proven to be fabrication, will damage the uk beyond belief.

      Act in haste, repent at leisure, jury is out and the stakes are high!

      P.S. as for the defence secretary’s comments, “Russia should go away and shut up”, we can all rest easy in our beds with a guy like this defending us.

    98. TD says:

      Andy-B at 11.59 a.m.

      “Why would Putin deploy a nerve agent that would instantly be recognisable, it doesn’t make sense.”

      You ask a good question. An answer (I don’t know if it’s true or not) is that he wanted to be “caught”. By demonstrating his willingness to openly confront the bad guys (that’s the UK and the rogue spy) he hopes to appeal to Russians, uniting them behind a strong leader who is prepared to confront the West. Many nations use the tactic of external confrontation to create internal unity (think Thatcher and the Falklands) but Russia has a particularly strong track record in this regard.

      I agree with those who say that there is no conclusive evidence that this act was committed by the Russian state. But there is strong circumstantial evidence and a motive. The UK government is unwise to state unequivocally that Russia is guilty, but the Russian state is a strong suspect. There are alternatives – the Russian mafia could have done this. I understand that Skripal has worked with the Spanish authorities against the Russian mafia who are particularly active in Spain. But this theory begs the question of how did the mafia get hold of the nerve agent? To me it seems likely that the Russian state was the source, either wilfully or through negligence.

      Where the UK government have gone wrong is in being seen to reach a premature, definitive conclusion that Russia is responsible. In any investigation, there will be a prime suspect, but the competent investigator keeps his powder dry until the case is irrefutable. As things stand, it is easy for Russia to say there is no conclusive evidence of their guilt and they are right – there isn’t. In a court of law, they would be acquitted as the case could not be proven beyond reasonable doubt. As a result, the UK government just looks incompetent. Which they are.

    99. Indy2 says:

      Heedy Peffers and Co.

      The two bob “Rent-A-Post” mob are filling our pages once again.

      I just bet Heedy is dying to post a BritNat link on here, but can’t, because him and his gang of Trolls have been rumbled.

    100. Robert Peffers says:

      @Capella says: 17 March, 2018 at 10:55 am:

      ” … Corbyn and Milne are sinister Commie sympathisers, patsies of Evil Putin. That’s who they are, says the BBC.
      Nicola has escaped that fate, so far.”

      Not quite, Capella, did you miss this nasty wee dig at the FM on this thread:-

      Gfaetheblock says:
      17 March, 2018 at 10:39 am
      Should Nicola Sturgeon not be standing next to May?

      There has always been an undercurrent of anti-SG/SNP attacks here on Wings by false flag unionists but it is growing exponentially as the false flag yoon brigade becomes ever more desperate as their influence wanes in Scotland.

      Like all such undercover tactics it falls flat on its face when the perpetrators get so desperate that they expose themselves as the enemy.

    101. Valerie says:

      I’ve been following the Russia thing fairly attentively, but not via the tabloids.

      Today, I’ve just learned the cop involved is DETECTIVE sargeant Nick Bailey. I knew him to be Sergeant Nick Bailey, because the Detective part is rarely used.

      He is out of critical condition, announced yesterday per NHS, as Boris played sodjers in a war bunker, whilst denouncing Putin.

    102. Chick McGregor says:

      In the past when parasitic imperialism failed, as it must, the RoW will not put up with it indefinitely, the Anglo-American exceptionalist’s big red reset button of choice was World War.

      They do realise that is no longer an option, don’t they?

    103. Hamish100 says:

      as have you.

    104. Dan Huil says:

      The polarization of politics?

      As said by others above the rabid [it’s frothy maaaannnn] Britnat media has overdone the anti-Russian propaganda. Whether britnats like it or not nothing can hide the brexit disaster about to unfold.

    105. Gfaetheblock says:

      Hamish100

      Re Corbyn, I think he has shown himself to be the unelectable buffoon that he is this week.

      I think Sturgeon has played it well. MPs like Douglas Chapman are not helping her though, acting like a zoomer on Twitter

    106. heedtracker says:

      Valerie,

      The rent a crowd walkabout in Salisbury, with May collecting bouquets, and doing fistbumps (boak) will also help, she looked really happy, as 3 victims lay in hospital.”

      War is exciting. As the tory/BBC war drums beat louder, where on earth is the Colonel, up here in the tory nuke storage zone?

      Colonel Ruth takes great pride in her front line battlefield experience, yet beeb Scotland gimp network’s completely ignored the Colonel.

      Most odd.

    107. mogabee says:

      I. No-one with any knowledge would begin ‘mouth to mouth’ with someone obviously foaming spittle as that is a no-no.

      2. Any Russian tycoon in England will be shitting bricks at any talk of being sent back to Russia…they are no friends of either Russia or it’s people.

    108. Dan Huil says:

      When the Troubles return to the north of Ireland expect the rabid British nationalist media to blame Russia – and probably Scotland too.

    109. Legerwood says:

      Current article in the Guardian about Cambridge Analytica and it’s mining of Facebook as a political tool

      http://archive.is/HZDI7

      Useful to take note ahead of indyref2.

    110. heedtracker says:

      Can’t wait for this, after two weeks of it too. At least beeb gimpery does have a sense of troll humour. WTF are these chancers on, just does not anywhere close to it all.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/proginfo/2018/12/disinformation-a-users-guide

      It was going to be titled, “Why are those lying bastards lying to me now.”

    111. Ottomanboi says:

      @Iain mhor
      Don’t forget the poet Mikhail Lermontov who was proud of his Scottish family connexions.
      Also the imperial architect Charles Cameron.
      The foundation of first Latin Catholic church and school in Russia proper was secured by Gordon.
      Our links with Russia are stronger than those of England. Unfortunately, Scots do often tend, for political reasons, to be filed under ‘English’. About time Scots started to explore and care about international links. Provincialized Scotland is Unionist Scotland.

    112. Capella says:

      @ Robert Peffers – yes I did see that “Tartan Tory” slur, which is typical of the right-wing Labour tendency.
      However, I think Nicola is a very astute politician, adept at sidestepping the bear traps.

      But they have directed plenty of hate towards Alex Salmond instead. He too deftly swerves out of the way. How annoying it must be.

      The spygate narrative is falling apart under scrutiny. Perhaps they will have to shovel more clues around to convince the sceptics.
      I’m wondering how long it will take China to call time.

    113. schrodingers cat says:

      @Indy2

      enough. i dont know if you are a britnat supporter in disguise, indeed, i couldnt care less. but your posts only consist of calling other posters trolls which while not technically trolling, is definitely spamming up the threads.

      what is worse than trolling is being boring and if being tedious was your only failing that could be forgiven. but yesterday you started to threaten other posters with physical violence and have overstepped the line.

      to that end, I am calling on the rev to ban you from this site,

      fyi, i have been posting with heedtracker and dadsarmy for years on various social media sites and while we dont always agree with each other, their post are always worth reading. Your posts only ever fill a well needed gap.

    114. schrodingers cat says:

      mogabee

      neurotoxics in liquid form are percutant, ie the can travel through your skin, in their gaseous form they enter through the respiratory tract. CPR atempts to blow air into ones lungs, not suck it out

    115. Indy2 says:

      schrodingers cat

      I never threatened anybody ya dickheed. I was repeating what that idiot Heedy said.

      So are you ending Free Speech on Wings???

      You are another one of Heedy’s Trolls.

      What you and Heedy and Peffers and all the rest of your gang don’t like is the truth coming out about you lot being paid Trolls.

      So will you ask the Rev to also block Rock and Sensible Dave???

      I doubt it because they are just names in your twisted wee world that you all live in.

      So cat,,you can fuck right off.

    116. Dan Huil says:

      Ach, to paraphrase the Fast Show’s welly-wearing chiel who appears from the shed, “Today, I am going to treat my enemy’s enemy as my friend. My enemy is British nationalism”.

      Think I’ll make that permanent.

    117. Andy-B says:

      TD.

      Thank you for that, however from what I can gather the nerve agent used is unidentifiable. There are four nations who’ve not ratified the CWC, one in particular stands out as having the capabilities to produce and deploy such a deadly agent.

      Need I say that, that particular nations has form in removing people on foreign soil. It also has a very strong backing within the British establishment.

    118. Indy2 says:

      Heedy is behind this move to get me blocked on Wings.

      I told you yesterday that Heedy would try and get me banned because he has the ear of the Rev.

      You notice they never ask for Rock or Sensible Dave to get banned, It’s because Rock and Sensible Dave create a false argument.

      Well what Heedy has done is use another name to do it for him.

      Heedy and his gang of paid Trolls think they rule Wings Over Scotland.

    119. schrodingers cat says:

      indy2 said, I am a regular at Indy Rallies,,Unlike yourself.

      If you ever come out of the shadows I will gladly “knock your block off” if you really insist on it.

      Ya Unionist Troll

      ———————–
      unacceptable

    120. heedtracker says:

      Heedy and his gang of paid Trolls think they rule Wings Over Scotland.

      We do indy2:D

      Over an hour and half now of BBC r4 vote tory chat shows, completely devoid of any Scots as usual, but the English do seem convinced Strong and Stable Teresa is sticking it to to the Russians, Corbyn’s a loony lefty Putin appeaser, and its very creepy/great beeb gimp propaganda success that all the beeb gimp vox pop phone iners, keep saying the “Russian murder victims.”

      Salisbury poison victims are still alive right indy2, yet here we are, classic BBC vote tory gimp brainwashing in action.

    121. Jack Murphy says:

      Off Topic. The New York Times looks at ‘Britain’s’ NHS and it’s impact on the life of a 62 year old male Brexiteer in England.

      The man went to Calais for his knee surgery. 🙁

      “…..He asked that his surgeon not be told that he had voted for Brexit — just yet. “I’m happy to tell him when he’s finished carving me up, but certainly not beforehand,” he whispered. “I do have my second knee.”……”

      https://tinyurl.com/ybcvtpvc

    122. Valerie says:

      It’s incredibly tedious when a new troll joins.

      It has to go through various clown routines until someone applauds. It has to go through a few repertoires to see what it catches in it’s timewasting web.

      It has to post repetitively to attract attention.

      It has to play the victim.

      God, I dropped off there…

    123. heedtracker says:

      Yes they’re still alive indy2.

      At least they could be. Google, “are the Salisbury poison victims still alive” and you a get a hundred million google hits as hysterical as, well you really.

      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/russian-spy-attack-cure-nerve-agent-salisbury-poisoning-sergei-skripal-infection-risk-year-a8253771.html

    124. frogesque says:

      How many times does one have to say, “Aye Richt!”

      Perhaps one could get ones servants to say it?

      Me, I’m a direct kind of guy. Fuck the fuck off!

    125. Robert Peffers says:

      @Capella says: 17 March, 2018 at 1:18 pm:

      “The spygate narrative is falling apart under scrutiny.”

      It really never would have gained any traction in the first place if it were not for the Westminster Establishment’s control of the MSM and the SMSM in particular. I’ve posted the facts many times on Wings and did so again only this morning.

      The facts are hidden in the very best place to hide facts – in the background in plain view. There they meld in with the background and get glossed over by their target audiences.

      The absolute masters of this art of hiding things in plain view are not the great illusionists like David Blaine, Penn and Teller, Jerry Sadowitz or, the greatest of them all, Harry Houdini.

      The absolute all-time masters of this art are The Westminster Establishment and their long term propagandists, The BBC. The South Britain Establishment, in one form or another, have been at this mental prestidigitation game from around at least 54BC until the present day

      Since the first influence of Roman Britain there has been a ruling elite based in or around Londinium and Roman records can be shown to be politically motivated as, depending upon their author’s political connections, the reports they sent back to Rome promoted their mentor’s for political promotion back in Rome.

      The first great illusionists were the clerics and here too we can see political bias is evident especially among the Christian church clerics. For example the Venerable Bede’s history can be shown as out of touch when he wrote of events centuries after the events.

      St. Bede (c. 672-735), known as the Venerable Bede, was an English monk, scholar, and theologian. His works were the crowning cultural achievement in England in the 8th century, “the age of Bede.”:-

      http://biography.yourdictionary.com/st-bede#MTQO3DazGX7oa4oi.99

      Note that the English undercover agent, Daniel Defoe was operating in Edinburgh and influencing events. Defoe, (born Daniel Foe), was an English trader, writer, journalist, political pamphleteer and employed as a spy by the Westminster Spy Master, Sir Robert Harley.

      Westminster are past masters of the art of deception and propaganda. When the early wireless amateur, (Hams Radio), manufacturers wanted to expand from kitchen table built equipment to commercial sales there wasn’t any existing market other than for early, Crystal Sets, and to create a market some early makers, including Marconi, set-up ham wireless stations to broadcast news and entertainment.

      The First of these was 2MT in England followed by 2LO in London. Now Westminster was already selling Ham wireless licences to give the holders government permission to transmit and receive wireless signals from and to any sources. These had the condition written in that the holder could transmit for a limited time and then had to switch to listen mode for calls from other hams and this condition was applied to 2MT & 2LO.

      Then Westminster quickly saw the potential for government propaganda and gave those early, would be, Wireless Set manufacturers A Royal Charter as, “The British Broadcasting Corporation”, and charged them with the task of selling Government Licences to only receive Wireless communications from any source. Thing is the money the BBC collected wet straight to the Treasury who made an agreed annual grant to the BBC.

      So from day one the BBC has been a government owned and funded propaganda tool and its first job for Westminster was to brainwash the listeners that they, the listeners, funded the BBC. It was all there out in the open but the Great British Public were conned, from the start, that they, and not Westminster, paid for the BBC.

      Yet it was obvious that with the small power of the 2LO transmitter the early audience base of licence holders was so small it would hardly have covered the cost of tea in the BBC canteen.

      So there you are – it has always been a government propaganda tool hidden from the public in full public view Harry Houdini & David Blaine, eat your hearts out.

    126. heedtracker says:

      unacceptable

      SC the owner of this blog gets threatened all the time, so why should btl commenters be insulated from it? And he’s not anonymous.

      Chillax:D

    127. Macart says:

      Skin of the teeth stuff against Italy. Don’t know if the old nerves could take that again anytime soon.

      *PHEW*

    128. Ken500 says:

      They will not vote for Labour in the rest of UK because of Corbyn/McDonnell. History – Three day week, Winter of discontent etc. (Power cuts?). Illegal war, tax evasion, financial, fraud. They were all at. If Corbyn cared he would step aside. They are useless anyway. The lot of them. Same LibDems. There is really no one capable but it would have to be someone younger less associated with the history but left of centre. Corbyn can still be majority involved.

      In Scotland SNP/SNP Vote for Independence.

      It needs a Central Bank bring set up.

      Labour/unionists etc could have taken May and the Tories down 12 Sept EVELvote May and the Tories could have been gone.

    129. Robert Peffers says:

      @Valerie says: 17 March, 2018 at 2:33 pm:

      “It’s incredibly tedious when a new troll joins.”

      Whatever makes you think they are new Trolls, Valerie?

      They all say the same daft claptrap. They all pick the same Wingers as their victims and they all use nick names instead of their own names. So Yes, such as Macart. is using a nickname but most Wingers know who he is.

      My guess is that these guys are probably all the same one, or perhaps two, unionist supporting numptie. Best to stop answering them after they either out themselves or are outed by other Wingers.

      Mind you it wont stop the idiots posting, and really we do not want to stop them, for if they are here on Wings they are not bothering others less able to identify them as unionists.

    130. Artyhetty says:

      Great image Chris.

      What a week, once again eh. It’s like wome weird play, a farce in fact.

      O/T

      Just watched Indycar Gordon, his youtube vid from Friday 16th. In that he tells us about blockchain voting systems and about a meeting to take place in Edinburgh, about ‘referendums’. At the ‘Royal society of Edinburgh’ on the 26th of March.

      It sounds like it may well be worth going to and is free to register and it is being held by an ‘independent’ body, based in London, of course, ( and something related to the electoral commission.It’s about reviewing how referendums are done! Possibly moving the goalposts, especially important re Scotland for sure.

      So take a look at that, as apparently almost no one has been told about this, what appears to be a secret meeting, but anyone can register to attend. Go to the RSE and click on events, it comes up to register there.

    131. @Robert Peffers

      Lord Reith talking about interference by the Government way back at the beginning in 1926,

      https://tinyurl.com/h5e93zp

      Churchill being the man wanting to control BBC.

    132. stu macs says:

      TD says:
      17 March, 2018 at 12:47 pm
      ====================

      You should read Craig Murray’s recent articles on this (and also look at that interview Salmond had with the ex-MI5 person.

      https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/

    133. Indy2 says:

      Heedy STILL posting direct links to BritNat media rags.

      After Mr Stoker told you yesterday to cut it out.

      You just can’t help yourself Heedy.

      You are a BritNat Troll 100%.

      And this will no doubt be followed up by support from your fellow Trolls.

      Stop posting direct links to english newspapers Heedy, it makes our fight for Independence all the harder.

      And I will be watching closely to see which one of your Trolls is first to tell the Rev to ban the Rock or Sensible Dave.

      I think I will be waiting for some time.

    134. mogabee says:

      Ah but Schrodinger, CPR whilst excess saliva in mouth can cause said saliva to enter lungs therefore great caution is usually required to ascertain why such saliva is present and if it would make situation worse! Ahem…

    135. heedtracker says:

      You just can’t help yourself Heedy.

      You are a BritNat Troll 100%.

      Sorry indy2. Its just a bit disorientating out here in the Brexit zone.

      If it OK with you indy2, can I cut n paste American newspapers please?

      https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/12/world/europe/uk-russia-spy-poisoning.html

      On the one hand, BBC says USA is 110% behind Strong and Stable Teresa and the BBC’s ongoing battles to start WW3, indy2.

      “In an interview on Monday, Secretary of State Rex. W. Tillerson, expressed astonishment at the use in a public space of a substance like the nerve agent. “It’s almost beyond comprehension that a state, an organized state, would do something like that,” he said. “A nonstate actor, I could understand. A state actor I cannot understand why anyone would take such an action.

      Yay for Rex! explained beeb gimps

      But then, next day, Orange Hitler fires our Rex! Via twitter too.

      So who really knows what “our greatest ally” is up to these days.

      Just think indy2, ex US Foreign Secretary Rex Tillerson, ex CEO of Exxon, Exxon almost as big a polluting monstrosity as BP, is too much of a pussy, even for Orange Hitler, greatest ally of teamGB.

      Strange days indy2, strange days in the world of tory beeb gimp propaganda.

      Orange Hitler must be UK’s greatest ally indy2. BBC keeps saying that over and over, Orange Hitler and Strong and Stable Teresa, together, in the fallout shelters.

    136. wull2 says:

      Whatever comes first, just vote SNP/SNP, Vote for Independence and forget what the media says, it is more than likely fibs.

    137. Robert Peffers says:

      @Scot Finlayson says: 17 March, 2018 at 3:15 pm:

      “Lord Reith talking about interference by the Government way back at the beginning in 1926.

      https://tinyurl.com/h5e93zp

      And there is the whole point of the matter in that article, right at the end.

      “Churchill being the man wanting to control BBC.But there were compromises. Reith argued afterwards that the Conservative, Labour and trade union perspectives in the crisis had been reported even-handedly, but the Labour Party and the TUC did not forgive the BBC for refusing airtime to their representatives – including Opposition leader Ramsay MacDonald.”

      So there is the real truth of that early BBC being biased claim.

      The BBC, while claiming to have been, “even handed”, were actually doing then exactly as they do now with the SNP/SG.

      In both their reporting and in on-air interviews or discussions, refusing access to any air time to other than their paymasters who were the Government of the day.

      Obviously they had allowed the Government’s representatives access but not either the opposition Labour Party or Trade Union representatives of the workers or from the TUC.

    138. Proud Cybernat says:

      If this doesn’t convince you…

      https://i.imgur.com/E8YMZED.jpg

    139. auld highlander says:

      “A lie told often enough becomes the truth.” Lenin.

      “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed” Hitler.

      And this is good coming from this lot.

      http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20161026-how-liars-create-the-illusion-of-truth

      So let’s tell some lies.

    140. geeo says:

      @indy2

      Could you please link to a single post you have made which is on the topic subject under discussion,posted by the owner of this blog ?

      Does asking you this simple question of you, make me a troll as well ?

    141. Robert Peffers says:

      @Indy2 says: 17 March, 2018 at 3:27 pm:

      “And I will be watching closely to see which one of your Trolls is first to tell the Rev to ban the Rock or Sensible Dave.
      I think I will be waiting for some time.”

      The difference is that while everyone else is commenting directly upon matters of politics and Scottish independence, you, in any of your many sock puppet guises, are attempting to drag the whole thread into your idiotic claims that others are the trolls.

      That, whichever one of the trolls you are today, is trolling. It sure as hell is not commenting about either politics or independence. Here is a cut & paste defining, “Trolling”.

      An Internet troll is a member of an online social community who deliberately tries to disrupt, attack, offend or generally cause trouble within the community by posting certain comments, photos, videos, GIFs or some other form of online content.

      I wouldn’t even dream of attempting to have the one and only moderator of Wings bar you or the other sock puppets but will endeavour to treat you as I treat the sock puppet, “Rock”. After you being outed as a troll I will endeavour to scroll past your input and not reply to references made to you by others that I continue to read and respond to – even when I do not agree with their views.

      Debate is the life blood of Wings and unlike you, (in any of your guises), I have no objection, but encourage, disagreement and honest debate.

    142. auld highlander says:

      They will be spewing in their pie and mash tonight.

      24-15. YES.

    143. schrodingers cat says:

      I wouldn’t even dream of attempting to have the one and only moderator of Wings bar you

      I would, had enough of indy2’s pish

    144. Croompenstein says:

      Calling sensibledave calling sensibledave how did England’s Grand Slam attempt work out sensible ?

      LOL great performance from Ireland weel din cutty sark…

    145. Dorothy Devine says:

      And a Happy St Patrick’s Day indeed .

      Well done Ireland!

      And well done skin of the teeth Scotland!

    146. Indy2 says:

      schrodingers cat

      Listen snowflake, I know you are Heedy, but as usual you hide behind one of your many names on here.

      So will you also be grassing Rock and Sensible Dave.?

      The truth has really hurt you over the last couple of days hasn’t it BritNat Troll.?

      And I see the usual suspects are backing you up. You know who you are Pffers,,the biggest bore in the world.

    147. Macart says:

      Well done Ireland. Deserving winners and champions.

    148. Indy2 says:

      So the Trolls including Peffers and cat are now telling us we must not talk off topic. Have you ever heard such crap in your lives???

    149. Macart says:

      Also? This.

      https://twitter.com/Laura_K_Hughes/status/974943575677878272

      That would be an epic example of – WHO KNEW? Still… better together, eh?

    150. Hamish100 says:

      INDY2

      YES, You, LOL– SORRY OPEN GOAL

    151. Artyhetty says:

      Here is a link to that RSE ‘seminar’ coming up on the 26th in Edinburgh, about referendums.

      Hope it is ok to link and it works. By the way, if you register it will ask for your ‘organisation/job title’ obligatory info. Nothing indicates that anyone is barred from attending, ie, Joe public. So, just put in that wee box, J.Public!

      http://www.rse.org.uk/event/the-independent-commission-on-referendums-who-what-why-and-how/

    152. I Wright says:

      Can people commenting here please calm down and stop accusing each other of being a troll and otherwise attacking people.

      If you think someone’s a troll ignore them.

      If you don’t like/agree with other people’s comments either ignore them or disagree with mutual respect.

      The vibe here is turning bitter and off-putting to others.

    153. Ottomanboi says:

      BritNat takes on Britain and its empire would have you believe that invading and annexing other peoples’ countries was an act of altruism. BritState needs to be pointedly reminded that it too has history motivated by greed, racism, double-dealing, exploitation, financial corruption and ethnic exceptionalism. By comparison ‘Holy Russia’ is a neophyte.
      I’d rather have a Russian for a friend than a devious, two-timing Brit….with the Russians what you see is what you get.
      Besides anything that kicks the arrogant anglo-saxons in the tender parts is fine by me.
      Aim well Vladimir!

    154. Ian Foulds says:

      Well said Mr. P at 4.48pm

      Ian

    155. Indy2 says:

      Ian

      Mind yer ain fuckin business

    156. schrodingers cat says:

      pfff, every morning, i find stranger looking insects than you indy2 in my corn flakes box.

    157. HandandShrimp says:

      Well done Ireland. Worthy champions.

      The Tweet at Brian Cox (Prof) and his response is comedy gold.

    158. Hamish100 says:

      if its on a web site its every-ones business. No?

      Congrats to Ireland and to Scotland for that matter

    159. geeo says:

      Calling indy2…calling indy2….

      You normally love responding on here, so why are you ignoring MY question ??

      Let me remind you.

      Could you please link to a single comment YOU have made on wings, which was on topic ?

    160. Merkin Scot says:

      Indy2 = a Union Bear. For certain. Best to ignore.

    161. mike cassidy says:

      Me? Cynical? Never!

      http://archive.is/ux8cj

    162. Tinto Chiel says:

      It’s funny hearing people equating heed with SC. Anyone with half a brain knows the former’s style is inimitable with his Toryboy/ gimp/graun deliberately bathetic shtick while SC usually posts acute and informed stuff on the EU in perpetual lower case with completely different rhythms.

      The recent criticism of Mr Peffers seems to have floral hints of Rock to my sensitive palate.

      Well done Ireland, and on St Patrick’s day too.

    163. galamcennalath says:

      Every day we hear yet another threat from Brexit.

      Turns out putting lead in petrol was a much much worse idea than we ever thought. Banning it relies on EU law, but ….

      “Some industries and rightwing politicians have long campaigned against it, demanding much more evidence “

      http://archive.is/GA5Zy

    164. kinters says:

      Re indy2

      It is wrong to try to close down debate.

      If indy2 has a point to make he is perfectly entitled to make it.

      Do we want to become like our state media where only our voice should be heard.

      And indy2 has a point, mr Peffers does come across as a bit School Master-ish.

    165. Glamaig says:

      mike cassidy says:
      17 March, 2018 at 7:24 pm

      http://archive.is/ux8cj

      ‘amid concerns she is leading the party to utter distruction’

      Sums the Tories up – so concerned about their party – but dont seem too concerned about the actual country or their constituents as we hurtle towards a chaotic Brexit and economic disaster. No idea why people vote for these arseholes.

    166. Undeadshuan says:

      Interesting background on cambridge analtyica, how they harvested facebook, their involvement in influencing elections, by the person who coded their tools.

      Who is now blowing the whistle on them…

      “Russia, Facebook, Trump, Mercer, Bannon, Brexit. Every one of these threads runs through Cambridge Analytica”

      https://archive.is/TZrRQ

      And they sell their services to anyone, so chances are they will be deployed by uk in next independence referendum.

    167. Andy-B says:

      O/T.

      Is this missing flight MH370?

      http://archive.is/MDDoE

    168. @Undeadshuan

      Cambridge Analytica Chief Executive Alexander Nix being quizzed by Gov Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee Tuesday 27 February 2018,

      the topic is Fake News

      https://tinyurl.com/yb48jqwj

    169. Northern Rock says:

      Indy2 had a different point of view from some posters on here and he seemed to be jumped on by about half a dozen others who had nothing to do with the dispute.

      That comes across as bullying in my eyes.

      You lot are no better than the person you are complaining about.

      If somebody has an opinion then they should be allowed to voice it without the fear of being attacked.

    170. heedtracker says:

      If indy2 has a point to make he is perfectly entitled to make it.

      Free speech and threat of violence are very compatible. He’s not a nasty creep, at all:D

      Indy2 might enjoy this too, banned by the BBC, made by er, the BBC.

      How not Scots oil and gas revenues became not Scots oil and gas revenues, funded the Thatcher tory era war on the British working class, paid for world class road and rail infrastructure, England only, building an giant economic miracle, one of the most powerful and richest EU member states. And they then flounced out of it all, dragging Scots with them.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxRjk3MREwg

    171. wull2 says:

      If you have been accused of being from the bark side, start with ( vote YES next time ) and, if they don’t it is because they don’t believe in the cause.

    172. Bill Hume says:

      Is it just me, or do you not also think that the MSM are coming out of this rather badly. More power to the internet I say.

    173. schrodingers cat says:

      in perpetual lower case ……….

      just lazyness on my part
      ==============

      kinters says:

      Re indy2

      It is wrong to try to close down debate.

      If indy2 has a point to make he is perfectly entitled to make it.
      ———–
      yes he is kinters, but thats the point, the only thing he posts are lists and insults to those he considers trolls. While this is monotonous, in itself it isnt a reason to ban someone, indeed, for months now i have just scrolled past his posts, as i do with others. but yesterday he started posting threats of physical violence to other posters.

      i think that crosses a line regarding free speech

    174. yesbot says:

      Artyhetty:
      17 March, 2018 at 3:14

      Thanks for highlighting this. Have booked a spot.

      I’m comforted to know that “timely, rigorous, independent research into constitutional change is being conducted” ?!

    175. Shinty says:

      kinters- And indy2 has a point, mr Peffers does come across as a bit School Master-ish.

      Show some respect kinters. Mr Peffers is I believe over 80yo and has a wealth of knowledge which he has shared with us all.

      If you don’t like it – may I suggest you just scroll on by and continue to make your own voice for the cause of independence.

    176. Rock says:

      heedtracker (16th March – “The greasy poll”):

      “If the Russian’s didn’t do it, who else would Rock.”

    177. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      With joint Syrian/Russian forced providing humanitarian corridors to allow the civilan population to come out of Ghouta (as they did at Aleppo, though you wouldn’t know that if you relied on our completely bent and dishonest media) before they move in and retake the last redoubt of the maniacal Islamic loonies that invaded Syria with funding and arms from western interest the Russians and Syrians will have freed all of Syria.

      That has completely frustrated the US inspired attempt to remove Assad and to continue destablising the Middle East and eventually topple Iran.

      This vast anti Russian spin going on a the moment is I am sure a reaction to this. Russia called their bluff in Syria and Russia will have to be knocked down. We are in dangerous times.

      To all who entertain doubts as to whether we are getting the truth about Syria I would ask them to read Vanessa Beely, John Pilger, Eva Bartlett, SCIAF and many others who were/are actually in Syria at Aleppo,at Ghouta and understand the depth of utter wickedness of the US/UK axis in Syria and the middle East and the biggest lie we have ever been told

    178. Rock says:

      Nicola agrees totally with Saint Theresa that the Russians did it.

    179. yesbot says:

      Artyhetty:
      17 March, 2018 at 3:14

      Thanks for highlighting this. Have booked a spot.

      Who knew?

      In October, the Constitution Unit launched an Independent Commission on Referendums, to review the role of referendums in British democracy and consider how their rules and practice could be improved. The Commission is meeting monthly, and intends to report in the Summer of 2018!

    180. yesbot says:

      Apologies for the double post.

    181. Rock says:

      Gfaetheblock,

      “Should Nicola Sturgeon not be standing next to May?”

      Precisely.

      The clueless pompous armchair pundits posting here would be happy for Nicola to be declared First Minister for life, so blind is their faith.

    182. Tinto Chiel says:

      “in perpetual lower case ……….”
      just lazyness on my part

      It wasn’t a criticism. Style matters, SC.

      😛

    183. cirsium says:

      further to Dave McEwan Hill’s comment (9.32pm), the following post asks pertinent questions

      https://off-guardian.org/2018/03/16/uks-novichok-claim-exposed-as-lies-what-is-the-current-reality-of-the-skripal-case/

    184. North chiel says:

      Very interesting and sensible comments on RT this evening by Lord Balfe being interviewed on
      the actions & attitude of the U.K. government as regards the Salisbury incident and
      subsequent aftermath.

    185. K.A.Mylchreest says:

      “When the BBC squirrels morph into nasty bears…” … then you know someone must be crying wolf. But as the old tale teaches, that only works the first time or two. Fool me once … etc.

    186. Dr Jim says:

      Just spotted this:

      75% of Scotlands head teachers say the attainment gap is closing thanks to the direct intervention of the Scottish government, 95% of teachers say the gap could be closed in five years thanks to the SNP

      I never saw any of this reported on our unbiased news organisations state TV channels that we pay for to not have the news delivered to us

    187. Rock says:

      Robert Peffers,

      “I wouldn’t even dream of attempting to have the one and only moderator of Wings bar you or the other sock puppets but will endeavour to treat you as I treat the sock puppet, “Rock”.”

      You are an aggressive verbal bully here and almost certainly a nasty person in real life.

      And like all bullies, you are a coward who runs away the moment he is challenged.

      If you are as clever as you think, why don’t you have your own site to flog your “knowledge”?

      Instead of contaminating every article on someone else’s website with your verbal diarrhoea.

      Why haven’t you ever written a book on the history of the union?

      After 311 years as a colony of England, only an utter “numpty” like yourself would pretend that Scotland is “sovereign”.

      Only an utter “numpty” like yourself would insist that the Irish are “British”.

    188. heedtracker says:

      I never saw any of this reported on our unbiased news organisations state TV channels that we pay for to not have the news delivered to us.

      Because professional lying also includes not telling us what’s going on in Scotland, beeb gimp network in Scotland is no.1 of all the UK regions, of professional liars.

      Only 3 odd years ago, but the Russian’s must be doing that tapping the index on the side of the temple thing more and more these.

      https://wingsoverscotland.com/in-russia-fear-projects-you/

      Help us Vlad, we must crush the vile seps of our Scotland region, together.

      We’ll make it worth your while too, think of all those billions of roubles stolen from the people of Russia looking for a safe laundering haven in the City of merry olde London.

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/22/millions-more-russians-living-in-poverty-as-economic-crisis-bites

    189. Dr Jim says:

      The FM did indeed support Theresa May and the UK Governments position regarding Russian intervention but clever girl that our beloved First Minister is, she said in her public statement in Holyrood

      “Going on the information she had been told by the UK Government”

      So if and or when the UK Government are found to have lied or mislead the public and indeed Scotland and Wales FMs
      Our beloved First Minister Nicola Sturgeon (blessings be upon her) will be in a position to rip Theresa May and her lying party a new one all over the media that the Tories control because even the media won’t pass that story up

    190. Robert Peffers says:

      kinters says: 17 March, 2018 at 7:42 pm

      “It is wrong to try to close down debate. “

      Oh! Dear! Another one of Rock’s sock puppets pops up from nowhere. Just the same brainless claptrap.

      No, “we”, don’t want to close down debate as that was exactly the point I was making.

      Thing is neither Rock or any of what are either his sock puppets, or his own re-creations of himself are into debate.

      So, as you seem yet another one popping up to disrupt debate I’ll be ignoring you, or him, or them, from now on.

      Bye now!

    191. crazycat says:

      @ yesbot at 9.36

      I hope you’ll report back for those of us unable to attend the seminar on Mnday.

      I’ll be interested in reports from any and all of those who go on Monday, of course.

    192. Bobp says:

      Fillofficer 8.35am. “The english government are a laughing stock to anyone with half a brain cell”. Does that mean that PSB’S dont have a brain cell. Dont answer that lol.

    193. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi kinters says at 7:42 pm.

      “Re indy2

      It is wrong to try to close down debate.

      And indy2 has a point, mr Peffers does come across as a bit School Master-ish.”

      The problem we are having with Indy2 is that he/she is not contibuting any debate. Indy2 is posting comments which accuse other contributors of being trolls.

      What’s the point of that? To disrupt the flow of input on the page. And he/she is succeeding.

      And RE: mr Peffers. I have learned more about SCOTTISH history in the past three years from him, than I ever did at school. History teachers like Bob Peffers, when we ‘older people’ was at school, would have, probably, secured a YES vote in 2014.

      I guess the Rev is being bombarded with emails about Indy2.
      He/she who lives under the bridge, and feeds on goats, comes to mind.

    194. McDuff says:

      Robert Peffers
      As a member of the SNP for over 30 years I have both praised and criticised the party as is my right.
      When though I have criticised the SNP on this site I have been immediately labelled a troll by you and others.
      There is a danger that a certain group of posters have determined that WOS is their site and those who have differing views on how to achieve independence must be silenced by denouncing them as trolls, a word that was not in existence when I joined the independence movement.
      So please stop this intimidating troll calling towards those who share the common goal of independence.
      Apart from sensible dave.

    195. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Rockiebaby.

      I’ve sussed thast you tend to post in the two newest pages so you probably misunderstood this comment on an older page.

      ““aggressive verbal bully”

      Rock, your command of our language is abysmal.

      Have you met Robert Peffers face to face? Has he then verbally bullied you aggressively? I think you probably mean “aggressive literal bully” but you are not educated to a level that can differentiate between “verbal”, ie spoken, and “literal”, ie written.

      I suggest you could be an aR$€. Am I being an “aggressive verbal bully” in typing that? Or am I just having a literal opinion that, obviously, doesn’t concur with your own opinion of your status?”

      Get real, Rockiebaby. You are going to have to change your username on WOS coz you are SUSSED.

      Oh, and your other persona, Indy2, is also sussed.

    196. Bobp says:

      Croompenstein 5.07pm. You didn’t think for one moment that sensible dave the 77th brigade troll would get back to you, now that Ireland handed them their f*****g english ar**s on a plate.

    197. Rock says:

      McDuff,

      “Robert Peffers
      As a member of the SNP for over 30 years I have both praised and criticised the party as is my right.
      When though I have criticised the SNP on this site I have been immediately labelled a troll by you and others.”

      Robert Peffers (17th March – “The greasy poll”):

      “No genuine Indy supporter would want a cosy wee site with everyone holding the same views as everyone else but that’s what Rock wants.”

      Rock (17th March – “The greasy poll”):

      “Let us see who wants everyone to hold the same views as him:

      Robert Peffers says:
      12 March, 2018 at 2:10 pm (A historic breakthrough):

      “Absolute and utter pish! Squirrel.”

      Robert Peffers says:
      12 March, 2018 at 11:44 pm (A historic breakthrough):

      “Oh! Go and do some research before mouthing off, Valerie.”

      Robert Peffers says:
      13 March, 2018 at 3:05 pm (A historic breakthrough):

      “Sheesh! Where do these uninformed numpties come from?”

    198. Rock says:

      Brian Doonthetoon,

      “And RE: mr Peffers. I have learned more about SCOTTISH history in the past three years from him, than I ever did at school. History teachers like Bob Peffers, when we ‘older people’ was at school, would have, probably, secured a YES vote in 2014.”

      If Robert Peffers is as clever as he thinks, why doesn’t he have his own site to flog his “knowledge”?

      Instead of contaminating every article on someone else’s website with his verbal diarrhoea.

      Why hasen’t he ever written a book on the history of the union?

    199. Bobp says:

      Latest news.”challenging and complex skripl investigation could take month’s ” met police statement! So why all the ‘Russia done it” from the parliamient of liars??. Show us the proof.

    200. Rock says:

      Robert Peffers,

      “Bye now!”

      Bully and coward disappears as he cannot answer my comment:

      Rock says:
      17 March, 2018 at 10:06 pm

      “If you are as clever as you think, why don’t you have your own site to flog your “knowledge”?

      Instead of contaminating every article on someone else’s website with your verbal diarrhoea.

      Why haven’t you ever written a book on the history of the union?”

    201. Rock says:

      Bobp,

      “So why all the ‘Russia done it” from the parliamient of liars??. Show us the proof.”

      Don’t worry, our Nicola has been shown enough proof for her to stand “shoulder to shoulder” with Saint Theresa in condemning Russia.

    202. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      UKOK BritNat Fascist Military Industrial Government getting their dig in first? @Capella says at 11:53 am

      “A bizarre coincidence? Someone has posted video of a truckload of weapons headed for the rebels in E Ghouta. Intercepted by the Syrian army, allegedly. A canister labelled “Salisbury, England”

      clearly displayed at 42 seconds.

      https://muraselon.com/en/2018/03/syrian-army-intercepts-militant-transport-truck-destined-for-east-ghouta-video/

      Nae such thing as a coincidence.

      “Another false flag chemical attack is being prepared in the province of Idlib by the “Al-Nusra Front terrorist group, in coordination with the White Helmets,” Rudskoy warned. The militants have already received 20 containers of chlorine to stage the incident, he said.”

      https://archive.is/8B7WN

      Wonder if these containers are labelled “Salisbury, England”?

      BBC and BritNat Dead Tree Press will parrot May and BoJos “of course Russia are blaming us, it’s cause we know they Novichoked Scripal”.

      We have been arming Islamic Extremists like Al-Nusra for years (Saudi Arabia for a start).

    203. Rock says:

      Dr Jim,

      “Our beloved First Minister Nicola Sturgeon (blessings be upon her)”

      If only the poor Chinese President for life would have supporters with such blind faith in him.

    204. yesbot says:

      crazycat says:
      17 March, 2018 at 10:15 pm

      Absolutely crazycat

      Hoping for enlightenment via Prof Tierney on Referenda/Democracy and from participants on repatriation of powers; a constitutional headache! lol

    205. Indy2 says:

      Jesus, this Peffers guy seems to have a Licence to say what HE wants to say, but no one is allowed to reply to his aggressive views.

      Heedy and his gang of Trolls seems to have the same protections.

      Can you lot who are taking their side not see that you are turning Wings into some kind of one sided dictatorship.

      Brian Doon….I am as Pro Indy as the next guy, but surely I am allowed to disagree with somebody if I feel like doing it.

      Wings is spiraling out of control, caused by….control freaks

    206. Indy2 says:

      Heedy was highlighted yesterday because of his constant links he posts up to Unionist websites.

      Now if that is not Trolling ,I don’t know what is.

      He is making our fight for Independence all the more difficult.

      So by that logic,,it should be Heedy and his gang of Trolls you lot should be chasing off of this site.

    207. Croompenstein says:

      Come back Steven Seagull all is forgiven.. 😀

    208. Shinty says:

      OK guys – instead of slagging other posters. Anything positive to say in relation to iScotland?

      or – Maybe we should have a discussion on the positive case for the Union.(lol)

      PS – Well done Ireland today.

    209. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      What Shinty said 17 March, 2018 at 11:18 pm

    210. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Rock – could you please stop pasting old comments from yonks ago ande make a point?

    211. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      If you’re just gonna sow division and not bring anything to the table to help Wingers convert Soft No’s all I have for you is this:

      …………………./´¯/)
      ………………..,/¯../
      ………………./…./
      …………./´¯/’…’/´¯¯`·¸
      ………./’/…/…./……./¨¯\
      ……..(‘(…´…´…. ¯~/’…’)
      ………\……………..’…../
      ……….”…\………. _.·´
      …………\…………..(
      …………..\………….\…

      You know who you are.

    212. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Hard to contest any of this

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MNKqJxPcHg&sns=em

    213. ronnie anderson says:

      Brian Doonthetoon Why are you being polite tae arseholes n bots

    214. heedtracker says:

      Now if that is not Trolling ,I don’t know what is.

      You don’t know what it is.

    215. heedtracker says:

      Now if that is not Trolling ,I don’t know what is

      Indy2 you probably just need a lesson or so in trolling. So lets begin at the very top of planettoryboy, trolling like, well you basically indy2

      From this toryboy twit, our Defence tory twit no less indy2,

      https://news.sky.com/video/russia-should-go-away-and-shut-up-11291174

      to, this this toryboy twit, our Defence tory twit no less indy2,

      https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tories-accept-30000-vladimir-putins-12009563

      Colonel Ruth did the same, for less, but she’s been hidden away by massed ranks of beeb Scotland gimps, as they set about monstering Alex Salmond all last week, for accepting money from Russian tv.

      Staggering, jaw dropping, eye popping BBC fcuking liars and hypocrites, really doesn’t cut it, beeb gimp zone wise these days of toryboy wardrum pouding does it, don’t you think indy2?

      Tbf, BBC r4 vote tory gimps do seem to be toning it down, lets start a war with Russia wise this evening, after only 2 weeks of war mongering beeb rage too.

    216. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Ronnie.

      It’s Dundonesian (Dundeesian?) pecadillo.

      8=)

    217. Robert Peffers says:

      @McDuff says: 17 March, 2018 at 10:28 pm:

      As a member of the SNP for over 30 years I have both praised and criticised the party as is my right.”

      Aye! I’ve been a member and a supporter for a bloody site longer than that, McDuff and unlike you I needn’t be ashamed of myself.

      While you do have every right to praise and criticise the party if and when you like, for proper supporters there’s a time and a place for criticism and for praise.

      That time is whenever your particular local Branch or your local Constituency Association holds it meetings and, if either or both are too inconvenient for you personally, there is a website for members only.

      When you make any criticism of the party, or of anyone in the party, in public or on on-line forums or in newspaper or phone in broadcast programmes you are not only actively acting directly against the party but against the wider YES movement.

      There is a very old saying that you should never wash your dirty linen in public. To do so is not going to correct any party errors. Furthermore, what you personally believe to be a party error may be a mistake on your part and taking your concerns to the branch or if the branch is unhelpful to the constituency association or taking it right up the tree to the executive is the only real way of influencing the party.

      You most certainly will not solve it, or better the situation you believe is wrong, by blabbing it in public, to a newspaper, broadcaster’s phone-in or on an open to the general public website.

      “When though I have criticised the SNP on this site I have been immediately labelled a troll by you and others.”

      Aye! Richt!

      Well now you will be in no doubt whatsoever why you were labelled as a Troll – it was likely because you were behaving like one, . or at the very least you were acting directly against the party and thus were no better than the opposition.

      Through the years I have probably, more than most members, taken opposite views from even some high ranking leaders or executive members. Yet have never done so on a public forum.

      The whole point about the SNP is that it is a truly democratic party and every member has exactly the same vote and right to air their views as the party leader herself.

      Just attend any National Conference, or even just watch it on TV, and you will see that fact in action. Any member can table a motion or table a motion against another motion and, providing that member can get a seconder then that motion must be dealt with and recorded in the minutes.

      “There is a danger that a certain group of posters have determined that WOS is their site and those who have differing views on how to achieve independence must be silenced by denouncing them as trolls, a word that was not in existence when I joined the independence movement.”

      Absolute rubbish, McDuff, this is not just a website it is the personal Web Blog of Rev Stu Campbell. He it is that chooses the topics and he it is who says what goes or doesn’t go.

      BTW: If you have only been an SNP member for 30 years then you are mistaken that the term, Troll, was not in use 30 years ago. Thing is it isn’t a political term it is a computer term.

      You quite obviously have no understanding what a Troll actually is. Even although I and others have defined the term of recent days right here on Wings. Strangely enough neither do most of those trolling this blog know why they are being accused of Trolling. It is because they do not know what trolling is, not to mention, “Flaming”, which thy are also prone to engage in.

      No one will be accused of trolling simply by criticising the SNP, any particular SNP official, or any particular person commenting on this blog, because those things do not constitute trolling.

      Now I’ve rattled on far more than I intended to but be aware my motive is to correct the wrong assumptions you are jumping to.

      The people being accused of being trolls are indeed trolls and not because anyone else holds differing views than they hold. They are not engaging in serious debate in any way – mostly they do not even know how to debate.

      Formal Debate has set rules but such as Wings is not formal debate but none the less it is debate and there are rules and :-

      Argumentum ad antiquitatem (the argument to antiquity or tradition).
      Argumentum ad hominem (argument directed at the person).
      Argumentum ad ignorantiam (argument to ignorance).

      Are not among them.

      And no, I’m not going to explain them – go look it up for yourself.

      “So please stop this intimidating troll calling towards those who share the common goal of independence.”

      Go look again, McDuff at who is actually doing the name calling for accusing someone of trolling when they are actually trolling is not name calling – it is a definition of a behaviour but first go find out what Trolling and flaming actually are.

    218. Graham King says:

      auld highlander says:
      17 March, 2018 at 10:36 am
      It must be true because the BBC said so?????

      An amateur attempt and botched to make it look like the commies did it.

      But have you considered that it could be a double-bluff?
      What if the Russians DID do it, but deliberately clumsily left it apparent that it was them, but SO clumsily that on further examination this would be taken as evidence it was a false-flag manoeuvre by a UK internal faction for purposes of distraction? (Let us say, just for purposes of illustration, that these putative possibly-Russian culprits might putatively wish to incriminate the Tory government and UK agencies.)
      On the Tories being held responsible, the UK would cease to be regarded as a trustworthy or reliable member of NATO; the UK is already leaving the EU; the US might wish to distance itself from the UK over this.
      That kind of divisive outcome sounds as if it might suit some foreign powers.
      I say that at present, NO scenario ought to be ruled out, and none accepted as fact, save for being truly demonstrated to be so.

    219. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Man alive!

      The own-goals make me determined to keep visiting here, if only to see what they have to say for themselves come Independence Day.

      It’s comin yet, for a’ that.

      Aye.

      And they know it.

      😉

    220. schrodingers cat says:

      indy2 says
      I am as Pro Indy as the next guy, but surely I am allowed to disagree with somebody if I feel like doing it.

      sure, but you dont. all you do is accuse others of being trolls, liars and bastards and then threaten them with physical violence,

      in doing so you forfeit any rights or sympathy.

      time to retire your moniker and start again

    221. Rock says:

      Brian Doonthetoon,

      “Rock – could you please stop pasting old comments from yonks ago ande make a point?”

      The likes of you are not interested in points, you run away from them:

      Rock says:
      17 March, 2018 at 10:43 pm

      “If Robert Peffers is as clever as he thinks, why doesn’t he have his own site to flog his “knowledge”?

      Instead of contaminating every article on someone else’s website with his verbal diarrhoea.

      Why hasen’t he ever written a book on the history of the union?”

      Indy2 is completely right on this one:

      Indy2 says:
      17 March, 2018 at 11:07 pm

      “Jesus, this Peffers guy seems to have a Licence to say what HE wants to say, but no one is allowed to reply to his aggressive views.”

    222. schrodingers cat says:

      saturday night is usually a good night for debate here on wings and i reralise that by taking on indy2 that i have spoiled it somewhat. so apologies for that. but sometimes i feel it is necesssary to stand up for what you think is right.
      apologies for spoiling this thread, i have said everything that needs said and will no longer comment on this thread or anything indy2 says

    223. Wullie B says:

      Is this part of the bad news the Tories were desperate to hide, fishermen are raging now ?????
      http://ffl.org.uk/government-capitulates/

    224. Rock says:

      Ian Brotherhood,

      “The own-goals make me determined to keep visiting here,”

      Through the back door of course. I am sure Petra is dying to do the same.

      Ian Brotherhood,
      11 February, 2017 at 12:59 am

      “Rock and his supporters are – successfully – choking the life out of creative, informative discourse on this site.

      No more appealing to Rev, or anyone else – I’m out.”

    225. Legerwood says:

      Scot Finlayson says:
      17 March, 2018 at 8:20 pm
      @Undeadshuan

      Cambridge Analytica Chief Executive Alexander Nix being quizzed by Gov Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee Tuesday 27 February 2018,

      the topic is Fake News

      https://tinyurl.com/yb48jqwj
      ……………………………….

      Cambridge Analytica cont’d

      Channel 4 news tonight did an extended item on this story which is being covered in the Guardian. I put a link to the Guardian story further up the thread. Here is the link to the interview on CH4 news tonight with the whistleblower who broke the story about the harvesting of data from Facebook by this company.

      https://www.channel4.com/news/cambridge-analytica-facebook-profiles-whistleblower-chris-wylie-election

      This directly contradicts the statements made to the Commons Committee by the CEO of Cambridge Analytica. Apparently there was code within the surveys carried out by .CA that allowed them to harvest more information about the people taking these surveys than they realised.

      At least this story is a bit more interesting than the content-free comments that have taken up a very substantial part of this thread.

    226. heedtracker says:

      Hey indy2, Orange Hitler’s probably the most successful troll in trolling history and he will almost certainly be planet torboy’s and ofcourse beeb gimps biggest Vote NO Thanks 2 hitter, or will he?

      https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/16/politics/stormy-daniels-trump-allegations-cnntv/index.html

      https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/15/politics/robert-mueller-donald-trump-organization-russia/index.html

      It is bizarro listening, BBC r4 vote tory news, they’ve buried virtually all of the adventures of Orange Hitler, indy2.

      Why would massed ranks of BBC gimps be burying Trump news like this, indy2? Trump’s administration is an appalling mess but you’d never know it, here on planet toryboy. Funny that.

      ps

      Indy2 I hope its ok with you if I “posts up to Unionist websites” in other lands.

      Thanks very much.

    227. Stephen McKenzie says:

      schrodingers cat 12:14 am

      Don’t be so damn humble.. We all sometime need to “let off steam” I know I do! Give it a break and then get back in there.

      That white cat still scares me 🙂

    228. Rock says:

      schrodingers cat,

      “but sometimes i feel it is necesssary to stand up for what you think is right.”

      Are you Indy2?

      schrodingers cat (30th April 2017):

      “well heed
      if you freely admit you are deliberately lying and spreading confusion on these threads, why should anyone believe anything you post in future?”

    229. heedtracker says:

      No more appealing to Rev, or anyone else – I’m out.”

      So you get to some WoS readers now and again Rock. Big whoop for you.

      You’re a wind up merchant Rock, its what you do endless same ol cut n paste wind up and sometimes you hit that windup spot. Good for you.

      Hope that’s all ok with you indy2. I realise that you are the ipso facto WoS btl moderator now, with threats of knocking intransigents of your btl rules heads off.

      Also indy2 and Rock, I don’t know what ipso facto means.

      Sorry about that.

    230. heedtracker says:

      “well heed
      if you freely admit you are deliberately lying and spreading confusion on these threads, why should anyone believe anything you post in future?”

      Not asking for belief Rock, me not that kind of vile sep. Me just like compare/contrasting btl WoS, the endless tory yoon propaganda farted by, wait for it, wait for it…massed ranks of beeb gimps and all the rest.

      Hope that helps Rock.

      Hope that’s okdokey with you too indy2.

      Hey its a haiku, a bad one, but just for you indy2, see even creeps like you have an upside.

    231. Thepnr says:

      The card index filing system we’re all apparently in has had a right good flicking through tonight.

      schrodingers cat sticks up a post at 12:14 and 15 mins later the bacon roll is quoting from a post by him which is almost a year old.

      Don’t be blind, please ignore this disruptive influence on Wings.

    232. Stephen McKenzie says:

      Rock 12:29

      And just what brings you off apart from wee snidy comments?

      from my part Schrodingers Cat has been posting on this site for a long time as have a lot of us, whereas you!

      As for your “why should anyone believe anything you post in future?” Irony is not your strong point is it!

    233. Dr Jim says:

      A note for readers of WOS:

      Whenever the SNP or Nicola Sturgeons profile rises or the FM is invited to address the United Nations or the Irish Parliament or indeed is invited to Brussells to meetings or just has polical successes in the UK not even counting how popular they are in Scotland, else they wouldn’t be the government for the last ten years, or being voted the UKs most influential woman above HM the Queen, Wings over Scotland website becomes a furiously angry place

      Because their are some who oppose Independence so much their anger spills over on to this site in the guise of YES supporters, but they are not for YES they are for something else, so please don’t allow yourselves to be fooled or drawn into their trap of trying to discredit WOS as some of these people engaged in this behaviour are not representative of the YES movement and are in fact paid by the Labour party to discredit any website they can

      This was a practice introduced by Kezia Dugdale and still continues today, they will be gone soon

    234. Dr Jim says:

      Excuse the grammar and spelling, my last, Rush!

    235. Rock says:

      heedtracker,

      “You’re a wind up merchant Rock,”

      Guardian reader with a Slovene (ex-)girlfriend, if Nicola, and more important, YOU agree totally with Saint Theresa that the Russians did it, surely it has to be the Russians and the likes of Craig Murray are completely wrong?

      heedtracker (16th March – “The greasy poll”):

      “If the Russian’s didn’t do it, who else would Rock.”

    236. Rock says:

      Dr Jim says:
      17 March, 2018 at 10:13 pm

      “Our beloved First Minister Nicola Sturgeon (blessings be upon her)”

      Dr Jim, says:
      18 March, 2018 at 12:39 am

      “Whenever the SNP or Nicola Sturgeons profile rises or the FM is invited to address the United Nations or the Irish Parliament or indeed is invited to Brussells to meetings or just has polical successes in the UK not even counting how popular they are in Scotland, else they wouldn’t be the government for the last ten years, or being voted the UKs most influential woman above HM the Queen, Wings over Scotland website becomes a furiously angry place”

      Unquestioning blind faith by supporters is the cause of corruption in politicians.

      Nicola and the SNP made utter fools of themselves by supporting Saint Theresa, in my humble opinion.

      Did they not know of the “sexed up” dossier on Iraq’s non existent weapons of mass destruction?

      How can anyone supporting Scottish independence ever side with Westminster on such matters?

      If Nicola had kept her mouth shut, posters here, you included I am sure, would (rightly) be attacking any independence supporter who stood “shoulder to shoulder” with Saint Theresa in condemning Russia.

    237. Rock says:

      Stephen McKenzie,

      “As for your “why should anyone believe anything you post in future?” Irony is not your strong point is it!”

      Unlike the Guardian reader with a Slovene (ex-)girlfriend, I use quotation marks when I quote someone.

      In this case your pal schrodingers cat:

      schrodingers cat (30th April 2017):

      “well heed
      if you freely admit you are deliberately lying and spreading confusion on these threads, why should anyone believe anything you post in future?”

      I hope irony is YOUR strong point.

    238. Rock says:

      Thepnr,

      “schrodingers cat sticks up a post at 12:14 and 15 mins later the bacon roll is quoting from a post by him which is almost a year old.”

      It is understandable that like the unionists, the clueless pompous armchair pundits posting here don’t like it when their hypocrisy is exposed.

    239. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Wont be long now people…hing in there!

    240. Rock says:

      schrodingers cat says:
      17 March, 2018 at 1:32 pm

      “fyi, i have been posting with heedtracker and dadsarmy for years on various social media sites and while we dont always agree with each other, their post are always worth reading. Your posts only ever fill a well needed gap.”

      schrodingers cat (30th April 2017):

      “well heed
      if you freely admit you are deliberately lying and spreading confusion on these threads, why should anyone believe anything you post in future?”

    241. Reluctant Nationalist says:

      Oh Nicola. You’re a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma. But perhaps there is a key. That key is cunnilingus.

      Only kidding. It’s money.

    242. Proud Cybernat says:

      The rise in British nationalist trolls to this site is in direct proportion to their shrinking support base i.e. they’re in panic mode now.

      Lovin’ it.

      Anyway – this deserves another punt…

      https://i.imgur.com/E8YMZED.jpg

    243. boris says:

      Had Putin wished to punish Skripal for his betrayal of the Russian State he would have noted that the ex-spy had lost his wife and son in recent years leaving only his daughter Yulia alive. As Julia is resident in Russia she could have been disposed of with little fuss in the UK leaving her father alone in the world and unable to attend her funeral. Seems to me that would be the thinking of the Russians. Leave Skripal alive but keep on punishing him for his previous misdeeds.

    244. Rock says:

      boris,

      “As Julia is resident in Russia she could have been disposed of with little fuss in the UK leaving her father alone in the world and unable to attend her funeral.”

      That simple logic beats everything that has been written so far.

    245. Ian Brotherhood says:

      The bless-my-souls wouldn’t be here at all at all unless there was proper panic in their boss’s breastie.

      😉

    246. Artyhetty says:

      As the thread appears to have been sabotaged maybe we should focus on the SCOTTISH polar bear cub that was born recently, and has emerged from the den, with polar bear mum at the Highland Wildlife Park, in Scotland. Ch4, and the yawn Graun have covered it large, and largely ignored the fact it’s actually happened in Scotland. Oh no, this is a ‘UK/Brit first polar bear cub’.

      As a friend pointed out, it was hardly even mentioned, if at all, that Highland Wildlife Park is in er, Scotland.

      So, great for Scottish tourism, great for Scotland and an incredibly ridiculously cute Scottish born wee bear! You should see it, but try finding footage that is not Britnat media headlining wee Scottish bear as ‘British/UK’.

      You know, just to distract from the thread tonight, it has
      been found, that when Elephants see humans, the part of the brain which is stimulated, is the bit that says, ‘aw, that’s sooo cute’. Seriously, they see humans as ‘cute’. Cute evil gits, but cute nevertheless! Poor animals, so trusting, so innocent, so persecuted.

      Scotland, let’s keep the name, SCOTLAND, and not allow the Britnats to silence or invalidate your identity, in any way, any longer.

      Vote SNP/SNP, and vote for independence, for the good of Scotland, the environment, the people and the planet. 🙂

    247. Artyhetty says:

      Re: Ian Brotherhood@2.17am

      Absolutely correct.

    248. Shinty says:

      Don’t you just love it that Wings Over Scotland has now received over £100K – thanks to all you lovely, vile cybernats.

    249. Ghillie says:

      Was it Padington?!! Gulp.

    250. Dr Jim says:

      No one has proved the Russians did anything yet, it still could have been me with a tin of oven cleaner
      The FMs statement included the words “On the information I have been told” which means if the UK have lied or mislead, Scotlands FM was also mislead by the UK Guv

      Once again folk like to misquote or cherry pick what’s said to make their lies plausible

      Scotlands FM never lies because if she did it would be on the front page of every newspaper and on TV for months and the opposition would never shut up about it squealing for her resignation and Ruth Davidson would be camped out in Jackie Burds chair to deliver the news nightly

    251. twathater says:

      Thanks goes to ALL the GENUINE regular readers and contributors to WOS , it just goes to show the panic that the establishment are now feeling when they have felt the need to massively increase their staffing levels in ANY attempt to disrupt genuine discussion of the revs postings

      Lets not forget people why we come to this site , it is to stimulate discussion and opinion and to widely spread information relating to independence gained by these discussions . Lets not be diverted from our task by insignificant paid disruptors , we have much information to spread to further our cause and many intelligent people to convert
      Have a good night all and lets ignore the disruptors

    252. galamcennalath says:

      Aye, this cartoon and discussion seems to have touched a BritNat nerve!

    253. Breeks says:

      These days, for me ever to declare myself proud to be British, the Tories, the UK Establishment, (for whom Boris Johnson is a living breathing caricature), the dishonest and thoroughly unscrupulous BBC, UKIP, and the toxic right wing hatespeak newspapers, would all have to be thrown out of office. – Purged out of office, and thrown in to the dock of an international criminal court to answer for their truly grotesque scheming dishonesty, their psychotic warmongering, their sociopathic disrespect for other cultures and people, and their truly epic, even biblical scale hypocrisy and greed. All of them should be made to answer for all the lives, cultures and constructive initiatives they have destroyed, the injustice, and the toxic hatred they have propagated the world over, from the raw and nauseating obscenity of the Middle East, but not least the revolting xenophobic inhumanity now festering in their own back yard.

      Watching that clip that Dave McEwan Hill posted at 11:39pm brought me to an epiphany about the UK’s nuclear deterrent. Trident is not a mechanism of self defence. That’s a lie. Trident is a licence for the obnoxious United Kingdom to act like a murderous, bullying monster and get away with it. But for Trident, the Russians could squeeze the obnoxious thuglet UK like a zit, and the wider world would only feel the relief of a disfiguring ugliness dealt with. I sense perhaps, that’s not a million miles away from how the EU feels about Brexit.

      The UK establishment that would keep us in poverty and contaminate Scotland with corrosive sectarianism while our resources are plundered, is the same psychotic 19th Century exceptionalist philosophy that would distribute blankets to Native American Indians laced with smallpox while slaughtering their buffalo and stealing their country.

      Scotland does not merely have the opportunity to end the United Kingdom, it has an obligation and duty to. Scotland, for all it’s contribution to the dark days of Empire, even the share of blood on our hands, has always been troubled by a sense of humility and conscience. It’s high time we came of age as a sentient Nation and acted on it.

      I don’t have the patience or sophistication for politics. I get frustrated that the SNP are so hyper cautious. It’s a great pity Holyrood is burdened with Unionist disrupters like Labour and the Tories. Scotland’s political discourse would be so much more vital and constructive to have the SNP in government but the Craig Murray Party as official opposition – wiser, intelligent government, where disagreement is constructive and enlightening, but always puts the interests of Scotland first in our alliances and interests.

    254. Al Dossary says:

      From a post on Craig Murray’s blog.

      The Times published a letter from Stephen Davies (Consultant in Emergency Medicine, Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust) on the 16th March.

      ‘Sir, further to your report (‘Poision Exposure Leaves Nearly 40 needing Treatment’), may I clarify that no patients have experienced symptoms of nerve agent poisoning in Salisbury and there have only ever been three patients with significant poisoning. Several people have attended the emergency department concerned that they may have been exposed. None has had symptoms of poisoning and none has needed treatment. Any blood tests performed have shown no abnormality. No member of the public has been contaminated by the agent involved.’

    255. Ken500 says:

      Every time people attack the SNP with unwarranted unsubstantiated criticism they help the opposition. Ie tell lies, They help the Tories/unionists and any opposition who they claim to despise. It might be more productive to do a bit of research. Instead of spouting nonsense. Cutting off their nose to spite their face.

      Harvies unwarranted and unsubstantiated attack on the SNP could put up Tory – unionists votes. Let more Tories in. The Green Party policies are unpopular and often unworkable and ill thought for many reasons to numerous to mention. They collude with unionists to waste public money like there is no tomorrow building up unnecessary debt. On projects of little value. They lie and use SNP/Independence supporters second vote to make unwarranted attack on the SNP and therefore the Independece movement. Increasing support for Toryies and unionists. A cuckoo in the the nest. They renege on green policies. Just look at the Green representation in Holyrood. 6 white wealthy males. No diversity reneging on their policies. Give a clue total hypocrites. They do more harm than good to the Scottish economy and essential services.

    256. Ghillie says:

      On reflection, it couldn’t have been Padington, he wears wee red wellies…

      On a serious note, may that poor poisoned man and his daughter and the policeman who went to their aid all make a full recovery and then be left in peace to live their lives.

      This has been beyond horrible for the people of Salisbury too. Wishing you all well.

    257. Ken500 says:

      Another Tory on the take. Hamilton. The taxpayers now paying for her criminal behaviour. Paying the £50,000 fine for her refusal to comply with company business Law. Another total disgrace. The offence committed while campaigning. Once again Non disclosure breaking the electoral Law The code of conduct. With impunity, being dragged off the streets to stand. It is the Tory – unionist way. Corrupt criminals. .

    258. Nana says:

      I’m not back home until this evening, borrowed my friend’s computer to see what’s in the news. Come onto wings and see there’s been a break out of troll fever. For goodness sake folks, get a grip and ignore those who seek to disrupt.

      Here’s a few links

      http://www.alynsmith.eu/scotland_in_europe_update_16th_march_2018

      http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/no-obfa-repeal-was-not-surprise-and-nor.html

      http://ukandeu.ac.uk/brexit-health-and-the-devolved-regions-and-nations/

      http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2018/03/15/how-to-start-a-new-country-a-lesson-in-the-practical-politic-of-thinking-from-scratch/

    259. Nana says:

      Be the change
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfempxoMpuE&feature=youtu.be

      Lego does Brexit/simple explanation of transition period
      https://twitter.com/UKandEU/status/974933386929242112

      Very excited to welcome legendary food journalist and Observer restaurant critic JAY RAYNER for the eye-opening, jaw-dropping hard truths of Britain’s Brexitised food policy.
      https://audioboom.com/posts/6725291-jay-rayner-on-the-brexit-food-fiasco

      Brexit Forensics: The future of our borders
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4tJOr86hOI&feature=youtu.be

    260. Ghillie says:

      Wullie B @ 12.16 am

      Well spotted. Thank you for that link, worth a look folks.

      ‘Fishermen For Leave’ now raging that they are being betrayed during the TORY negotiations over fishing rights with the EU.

      Apparently Brexit means Brexit does not = Leaving the CFP means leaving the CFP as promised, or that fishers’ voices are being respected or represented at all. Fishing grounds and rules are a bargainig chip, that’s all.

      Yup, I know, and you know we tried to tell them…

      Looks like the penny may be dropping now.

      Scotland and the fisherfolk of Scotland should choose how to run fishing in Scottish waters.

      Come the day, I trust these will be wise decisions.

    261. exile says:

      Nana at 7.29 “ignore those who seek to disrupt” – very well said, and thanks, as always, for the links

    262. Ananurhing says:

      Wullie B ‘12.16am
      http://ffl.org.uk/government-capitulates/

      Good catch Wullie. It’s like watching the penny drop overboard in slo mo.

      Saw a news item a couple of weeks ago from Shetland. The narrative was fisherman taking back control of THEIR waters, without interference.

      I never miss an opportunity to point out that the fisheries are a national asset. OUR waters, and the boat owners are merely licencees who require OUR permission to fish. This proprietorial guff from boat owners is delusional.

    263. ScottieDog says:

      Not sure about fisheries but Craig Murray is a national treasure.

    264. Ken500 says:

      No one has to read this comment. It is not compulsory. Trolls please pass by. Thanks.

      Skrip was a Westminster spy – double agent who caused the death of millions of people with his double dealings for money. Just a murdering crook. Licensed to kill by crooks in Westminster who financed his double dealing. He deserved retribution. He was given chance after chance. A limited prison sentence than release. To obviously continue his malicious action to the highest bidder. Irrespective of the harm he caused the world.

      He told the lies that formed the basis of the Trump ‘dirty dossier’ but thought he would not get caught out. To lie about about Trump activity – Russian connection. Along the Steele the ex M15 operative. with connection to the Westminster crooked government. (@ Craig Murray etc).. The dossier requested and paid for by Clinton using Saudi money. She begged for contributions from the Saudi through the night, using her private internet server account. In order to finance and try to lie about the Trump – Russian connection. A complete fabrication. Any limited meetings were entirely legitimate he was the presidential candidate.

      Clinton/Obama were bugging Trump. His HQ at Trump Towers. That is a Federal criminal offence under US Law. Punishable by prison. Trump knew they were bugging him because of their disclosure and leaked information of his connection and his meetings. Clinton continue to knowingly campaign and leak these lies that were totally made up by the British spy.To try and get Trump impeached and deposed so she could get back in power in the US Congress. She is a warmonger crook A mass murderer who has ruined the world economy. Party to causing starvation, deprivation and poverty.

      Spending $trilliions on death and destruction in the world to ruin the US/world economy. In order to line her and her sycophants pockets. Ditto UK. Sanctioning and illegally killing their own citizens and millions around the world. Then trying to lie about it. Use a diversion to cover up the mess they are making.

      M15/6 were using surveillance to bug Trump illegally. for Clinton/Obama. To try and duscredit his campaign. UK/US M15/6 – CIA/FBI They have reciprocal agreement in order that if they get found out they can deny they did it. If they are asked they deny they committed the crime because they did not physically do it. Getting another agency/someone else to do it. Then share the information illegally obtained.

      Trump knows what they did. That Skripal and Steele were responsible. The connections to the Westminster Gov and Gov agencies. Steele has been questioned by a Westminster committee about his involvement.

      All this conspiracy was undertaken to start another war in the Crimea on the Russisn border causing more unstable trouble and economic difficulties for the world economy. Trying to use sanctions to damage the Russian economy in order to try and damage Putin who stands up to their complicity.

      In order for Westminster/US unionist crooks to embezzle and line their pockets with more tax evaded public money. Their plan backfired. Trump does not want to attack Russia with sanctions and war because it would have an adverse affect on the world economy. Johnston is behind all this strife. He has been trying to attack the Russians for years. Trying to provoke another illegal conflict and death and destruction. Causing strife and damaging the economy and people’s prosperity,

      Johnston is a total crook and has no right to be Foreign Secretsry. A complete lunatic causing trouble and strife everywhere he goes. Ripping off the oublic purse. A complete imbecile. A psychopath who does not have a clue like the rest of them. (Wiki)

      Trump will is refusing to join in the escapade against Russia for no good reason. Johnston is fecked. Westminster unionists isolated and alone. Fecked up. The plan backed fired Johnny no mates. Desperate and alone. It will be Johnston that goes. Clinton/UK would already have had another illegal conflict going. Trump clearing out the swamp did the world a favour. CIA/FBI totally out of control. They have been for years. Half of taxes raised in the US goes on the military. $Trillions in debt. The US economy needs total reform.

      The Westminster unionist treachery goes on, but not for long. How long will it go on? May will be gone within the year. Lying sycophant. War criminal. May and the Hedge fund manager selling more arms to the Saudis going bust . In order to line their pockets with embezzled £Bilkions of public money. Causing havoc in the world. Skripal deserves what is coming to him. Dirty thieving, greedy murdering bastard. People who play with fire get burnt. Responsible for countless death and destruction. Another storm in a teacup. Another mountain out of a mole hill. To cover up criminality and destruction of the British State dangerously corrupted.

      The plan backfired and blew up in their face. Now desperately trying to cover up. Even trying to shut RT up because they call out their duplicity and illegal activity. Try and give a counter to the bias and non impartiality. SKy/BBC are a disgrace. Non profitable mouth pieces. Anyone who buys into this nonsense is as ignorant as the MSM. They should be sanctioned. Or be invited to a soirée st the local centre. They should get out more. Out of broadcasting irrational nonsense. They have become a comedy programme but not very funny. A joke,

    265. Ken500 says:

      Many ‘Fishermen for leave’ are a bunch of ignorant liars or just manipulated by their Tory mates. Some people never learn. Destroying their own industry for years. Lie after manipulating lie. Bertie is a total biased liar. He has got form. Not representative of the total fishing industry.

    266. wull2 says:

      Rev block certain people, if they pop up again block them again or send there posts straight to the bin where they deserve to be.
      Do not let them waste this site.

    267. wull2 says:

      Do not worry ken500, most of them are in bed as they don’t get paid double time for a Sunday.

    268. Les Wilson says:

      Sorry O/T

      A wee request for the knowledgeable.
      I have a friend who has got a new house and wants to name it
      ” Woodpecker Cottage” in Scots Gaelic. They have tried online but get conflicting translations. I got the same, so they are unsure what translation is correct.

      I know the blog is not for this, but I thought one of our brilliant people on here might have the accurate answer. It would be appreciated.

    269. Ottomanboi says:

      According to National party chiefs Nicola Sturgeon is being stalked on social media by ‘Kremlin trolls’. I do hope this is not another case of the SNP’s bourgeois ‘respectability’ shtick getting in the way of furthering our interests. We ought not be too hasty to judge the case without substantial evidence, or align ourselves with propagandist, rightist BritNattery.
      We should be on no ones ‘side’ except our own. Let BritState sort this matter, they created it.
      The National party might benefit from a depute leader with some nuance, sophistication and skill in handling PR matters of this kind.

    270. Indy2 says:

      wull2 says:
      18 March, 2018 at 9:21 am

      “Rev block certain people, if they pop up again block them again or send there posts straight to the bin where they deserve to be.
      Do not let them waste this site.”

      wull,,do you decide who should get blocked???

      I don’t like some posters on here,,Heedy and Peffers for example,,so do I get a chance to block them???

      Or is it just people you don’t like???

      As I said last night,,Wings is turning into a dictatorship.

      wull, what you want to do is to block freedom of speech.

      A very dangerous road to go down.

      If you don’t like certain posts then you just have to ignore them.

      Please get back to me wull and let me know if I can get Heedy and Peffers blocked.

    271. galamcennalath says:

      Nana says:

      https://peterabell.blog/2018/03/17/a-sick-and-twisted-ambition/

      Excellent piece posing very pertinent questions. Basically, given how reckless and determined the Brextremists are, exactly what sort of nasty regime do the envisage in their twisted tiny minds?

      A rerun of the 1930s perhaps!

    272. HandandShrimp says:

      According to National party chiefs Nicola Sturgeon is being stalked on social media by ‘Kremlin trolls’.

      Ottomanboi

      Mildly surprised that they can spot them amongst the other zoomers that stalk her social media pages.

    273. Highland Wifie says:

      Nana says “Be the change”

      Very good video outlining the extent to which we in Scotland are funding the propaganda against ourselves. Relieved I do not pay the BBC tax and avoid most of it. It also frees up £150 a year to fund media of my choice.
      But even if you can’t live without live TV and I-player small contributions from everyone who uses Indy supporting media would make an enormous difference. The price of one coffee a week or a couple of magazines a month is all it would take.
      Makes you feel good too!

    274. HandandShrimp says:

      The FMs statement included the words “On the information I have been told” which means if the UK have lied or mislead, Scotlands FM was also mislead by the UK Guv

      Dr Jim

      Spot on! I think it is a source of irritation to the Unionist media that Nicola shut that whole line of attack down with one sentence. This is a police matter and the investigations should be allowed to continue without wild speculation. While an unpleasant murder attempt, there are a lot of other very serious political issues boiling on the front rings that need dealt with.

      If the Westminster line on the murder attempt unravels that is their problem.

    275. Mosstrooper says:

      Les Wilson
      There are two names for the woodpecker. An lasair-Choille and Snagan-daraich. The first means the flame or flash in the woods and the second could mean the secret or hidden volley. Cottage is of course bothan. Perhaps Tigh for house would be more appropriate. Your cottage would then be Tigh an Lasair-choille or Tigh an Snagan-Daraich.

      You might wish to double check the above. Hope this helps.

    276. Dorothy Devine says:

      Just watched Ian Blackford on Peston- and that ridiculous woman Anna Soubry – and I am deeply disturbed by the Russia BAD acceptance.

      I’m afraid that everything points to bollox and shite and a desperate Westminster Government with onside lying media.

      By the way who wants to put up 16000 quid to pay tennis with Boris the Buffoon?

    277. Bill McLean says:

      I’m afraid, that like others, i’m becoming uncomfortable with this blog. Clearly that is what the trolls want. I will continue to read Wings on a daily basis to get as much information as I can to help further Scotland’s right to independence. Please others of a like mind just scroll past those you consider to be trolls – look at this thread which has been destroyed by trolls and the mugs who respond to them. You are winning the battle for them. Think again ….. please!

    278. Famous15 says:

      I was growing up in the “reds under the beds” days and even then I wondered if this was the most intelligent way to engage a rival power. Now having seen the hysterical reaction to Salisbury I again wonder. The Britnat media are in overdrive and so NS supporting TM in supporting the police investigation was the cleverest move so far.

      That special type of madness consuming the Britnats does not need me to help.I still remember a TV programme reciting Scotland’s association with Russia even before Catherine the Great to the present day.It was as if Russia respected and needed the Scottish inventive and engineering tradition. Not in each others pockets but respect.Never was there a pickpocketing.Unlike…

    279. manandboy says:

      https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/data-war-whistleblower-christopher-wylie-faceook-nix-bannon-trump?

      The Tories have been playing with one hand on the roulette wheel.

      Looks like big money and smart computer geeks now control politics and elections.

      Democracy is now in a tailspin.

    280. Les Wilson says:

      Mosstrooper says:

      Thanks MT, I will pass it on, much appreciated.

    281. PacMan says:

      HandandShrimp 18 March, 2018 at 10:21 am

      The FMs statement included the words “On the information I have been told” which means if the UK have lied or mislead, Scotlands FM was also mislead by the UK Guv

      Dr Jim

      Spot on! I think it is a source of irritation to the Unionist media that Nicola shut that whole line of attack down with one sentence. This is a police matter and the investigations should be allowed to continue without wild speculation. While an unpleasant murder attempt, there are a lot of other very serious political issues boiling on the front rings that need dealt with.

      If the Westminster line on the murder attempt unravels that is their problem.

      I no longer comment on this forum as I haven’t anything more to say than others on here who are far more knowledgeable than myself. However, I would like to post something about this on-going farce.

      The line from the British authorities is that it was most likely, highly likely or overwhelmingly likely the Russians who had did it. That is very different from claiming it was the Russians.

      Regardless of what Nicola Sturgeon or any other senior member of the SNP thinks in private, they have to play realpolitik in this matter. Until they have information that can prove otherwise, they have to base their decisions on the information with which they are supplied.

    282. louis.b.argyll says:

      Bill M,
      I find the discourse and tone of argument as merely strong. A nation is at stake, all countermeasures challenged, all lies exposed.

    283. Bill McLean says:

      Great comment PacMan – don’t give up!

    284. TheBuchanLoony says:

      It has always puzzled me why the recent BBC peak time drama about Russian gangsterism in the UK was called ‘McMafia’. It was set in London and there was no Scottish characters. A few years before the first devolution referendum in 1979, BBC Scotland made their first ever major national drama called ‘Scotch on the Rocks’ (written by a young Douglas Hurd who later became Thatcher’s secretary of state for foreign affairs) depicting paramilitary Scottish Liberation Army Nationalists trying to undermine the rule of law by violence. At that time there were only three tv channels, BBC1, BBC2 and ITV. This fictional drama is now claimed to have had a significant influence on the devolution result. The timing of this McMafia drama is suspiciously similar. With seeing the Mail on Sunday’s ‘McMafia Millions’ headline today, I wonder, has Nicola and the SNP, surprising everybody by (on the information given to her by the government) supporting Teresa May, undermined a second attempt to smear and influence indyref2 ? Can anybody tell me a good reason why the BBC’s London based Russian oligarch underworld drama, that never visited Scotland or had anything Scottish in it, was called ‘McMafia’ ?

    285. Macart says:

      Over a £100k crowdfunded and something like almost 300k unique visits per month. Not too shabby. That’s a lot of visits and a lot of readers. There’s a fair dose of mainstream titles would bite your arm off for figures like that.

      You can see why many political and professional opponents are more than a tad upset with this site’s success. Seems there’s a lot of folk out there who appreciate the effort of its host and the content.

      That’s a lot of folk who simply read and as I say, appreciate. They may not comment, but they do the important bit when it counts. They support.

      I reckon a big well done is in order.

    286. Bob Mack says:

      First of all the Trolls. Bill McLean is quite right. If you really interested in the almost monosyllabic droolings of a few posters like Rock or Sensibledave etc, then fair enough. There are sufficient intelligent contributions to feed the hungriest mind when you just scroll past them.

      I know you feel they must face an argument, but all you do is end up personalising everything and in the process become sidetracked from the topic. You will never change their mindset or input no matter what you do.

      Secondly ,it appears Nicola as a member of the Privy counsel has been given sufficient evidence to point the finger at Russia, as confirmed by Ian Blackford this morning on Pest on.

      I trust Nicolas judgement , but possibly due to Blair,I will always harbour a degree of doubt on anything from MI5 MI6.

    287. Ottomanboi says:

      @PacMan
      There are situations when perhaps it is better to say nothing at all.
      Particularly when the situation is not within your capabilities to assess effectively.
      Circumstantial ‘evidence’, political spin and media gossip don’t count as fact.
      The clunkiest Westminster government for decades isn’t one to be trusted.

    288. Cubby says:

      Was it nerve agent poisoning or food poisoning caused by too many oysters? Russian oysters?

      Russians losing control of their oysters?

      UK citizens losing control of their critical and analytical facilities?

    289. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      Interesting comment by @Al Dossary on 18 March, 2018 at 6:05 am which you might have missed or scrolled past due to excessive BritNat Trolling last night (with MY CAPS on the bit I found most intriguing):

      “From a post on Craig Murray’s blog.”

      “The Times published a letter from Stephen Davies (Consultant in Emergency Medicine, Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust) on the 16th March.”

      ‘Sir, further to your report (‘Poision Exposure Leaves Nearly 40 needing Treatment’), may I clarify that NO PATIENTS HAVE EXPERIENCED SYMPTOMS OF NERVE AGENT POISONING in Salisbury and there have only ever been three patients with significant poisoning.

      So 3 patients 2x Scripals and 1 x Polis Man SIGNIFICANTLY POISONED, but poisoned by what exactly?

      Not a nerve agent if this statement by Stephen Davies (Consultant in Emergency Medicine, Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust is correct!!

    290. Abulhaq says:

      @The Buchan Loony
      The Mc bit was taken from McDonalds franchise operations which span the globe.
      McMafia cartels operate in a similar way. The prog. was based on Misha Glenny’s book of the same name.

    291. @TheBuchanLoony

      Hadn`t watched it but like you i thought it had some Scottish connection,

      but one of my brothers watch it and told me it was to do with the sale of drugs using the McDonalds franchise model,

      and every town, big village, City ,populated area has a McDonalds which is what the Drug `Lords` want to emulate with the sale of drugs,

      one system copied throughout UK,

      so the Mc is for McDonalds.

    292. Dr Jim says:

      Sky news Niall Patterson practically screaming at some poor Labour guy that if they didn’t support Theresa May then they were all *Tractors* when all the guy was saying was as yet nothing’s proven conclusively
      But Niall Patterson pressed on waving the Union flag in the guys face and ordering him to believe Theresa May over Vladimir Putin or he’s unpatriotic

      That wasn’t news reporting by Sky news that was opinionated rhetoric by a broadcaster

      Boris does it again by telling us that the British government have evidence the Russians have been stockpiling nerve agents for ten years, well why didn’t they tell us about it then, why wait till now when Theresa Mays profile needs raising

      Even if it’s all true you then have to doubt the motives of the so called British government that they already knew stuff and did nothing and that’s always the problem with the UK government they tell so many lies about practically everything why should they be surprised then that people doubt their veracity on anything

      I’ll own up, it wasn’t me with the oven cleaner but it still could have been Colonel Plum with the Gravy Granules in the Parlour

      UK Guv protecting us all (sigh)

    293. Indy2 says:

      Just to clear the air, my fight for Scottish Independence is as strong, if not stronger than many posters on this forum.

      When I see constant links to British media newspapers it angers me.

      Equally when some posters on here talk down to people, that also angers me.

      I am not the only person on here to get the wrong side of Heedy or peffers. And I stand by what I have said, in my opinion they are ruining this site.

      Guys like Rock and Sensible Dave are a different kettle of fish.

      So don’t confuse my disagreements I have with a few posters on here with my commitment to Scottish Independence.

    294. Bill McLean says:

      Well said Indy2 – now let’s go on in this manner eh?

    295. HandandShrimp says:

      I agree on the troll thing. Ignoring is the easiest and most effective way of dealing with our concern trolls. Taking the bait simply multiplies the number of posts and increases the opportunity for the trolls to carry on.

      I don’t count Dave as a troll. He is openly a Unionist Tory. If people want to discuss the points he raises that is fair enough. He is obviously going to be against independence but he isn’t doing so from a standpoint of supposedly supporting independence.

      Trolling is about causing unrest and sowing discord. Honestly and openly posting a counter argument is just normal political discussion. That I think we can handle. Trolls cause upset and division, opposing views more often than not sharpen the wit and cement friendships and unity.

    296. D anderson says:

      In the UK more than 500 murders were committed last year but the attempted killing of two unimportant Russians has been blown up to ridiculous international proportions aided by the MSM and the BBC. Nicely timed to coincide with the utter mess of brexit.The Russians are not fools. If they wanted to get rid of these two people then using a knife and stealing their money would have been a simple quick way to do it. The crime would have been just another robbery gone too far and possibly perpetrated by junkies. Instead, we have a crime where an easily traced weapon was used which,very conveniently, could be pointed straight at Russia. The developer of this nerve gas is living in the USA. Did the Americans forget to enquire about his previous profession when he moved there?. This whole business has the unsavoury smell of Tory Blair’s WMD, contrived and politically very convenient but I have no doubt it will once again demonstrate the little Englander propensity for swallowing any Great British world power guff pumped out by the media.

    297. Breeks says:


      Bill McLean says:
      18 March, 2018 at 10:44 am

      I’m afraid, that like others, i’m becoming uncomfortable with this blog. Clearly that is what the trolls want…

      I couldn’t care less about trolls, nor indeed being called a troll myself. Yes, I expect the motivation behind trolling probably is to disrupt the conversation, and frustrate the readership, but it takes the proverbial two to tango, a troll to instigate disruption, and a patsy to willing to be disrupted.

      I would point out however, there were trolls and nasty individuals crawling out from under their respective stones back in 2013-14, but they got nowhere because YES was virtually bulletproof with its progressive constructive momentum, and actively pursued a positive agenda which ordinary non-political types could get involved with. It inspired confidence, uplifted belief, and furthered our interests.

      I would hope, and indeed expect, that sooner or later, (please God let it be sooner), there will be a similar initiative to promote a progressive case for Scottish Independence, and put an end to this interminable, aimless, and thoroughly uninspiring pro Indy “campaign”.

      But until that happens, then all our YES machines tick over on idle, and all our YES troops can do is mark time marching on the spot, and declare their undying allegiance to the cause. But in terms of literal narrative, from Independence to Brexit, there is no clarity, no initiative, no cohesion, and no engagement. We have allowed resignation that Brexit is inevitable to become mainstream opinion.

      Ireland has a powerful roll to play in “our” Brexit, perhaps even to bring Brexit to the point of collapse, and yet Scotland’s interests are removed at arms length in a bubble of their own, and more often than not, they don’t even register on the agenda.

      As the expression goes, the Devil finds work for idle hands to do, and denied the day to day camaraderie and revitalisation of a positive YES campaign to engage with, a great many Yes supporters, myself included, are left frustrated with this tiresome glacial progress, and consequently suffer from low moral, loss of confidence, and growing impatience and exasperation.

      Every distraction, every diversion, every troll can seize the agenda at random, and all we get from it is one more day squandered on pointless navel gazing or troll feeding.

      The time that remains to enact our Constitutional Sovereignty and use it keep Scotland in the EU is running out, and yet I still don’t know where our Brexit red lines are, I don’t even know with any certainty whether staying in Europe is the actual objective of the Scottish Government or merely a forlorn aspiration.

      Trolls? Trolls are nobodies.

    298. Orri says:

      Trolls.

      Hail Hydra

      Cut the head off one and you get two back.

      I’ve got a good half dozen verifiable email addresses I could use. If I wanted I could lie through my teeth and create more more.

      Start trying to kill trolls and you’ll never be done.

      Telling me so and so is a suspected troll insults my intelligence. I can work it out myself.

      And Rob P.
      Troll originates from a miss-spelling, possibly intentional, from trawling. The general game was to feed posters a line and see if anyone bit. At that point the trawler would fade into the shadows and watch chaos ensue.
      Possibly the change to outright malevolence is predicated by the change in name but for a while it was still about lurking under a bridge waiting for a hapless traveler. Risking a Billy Goat Gruffing.
      Thing is English is a living language and we’ve moved on.

    299. Robert Peffers says:

      Now I did say I wasn’t going to reply to the Britnat Brigade. However, I was informed about a couple of their more stupid comments by a Winger who had read their attacks here on Wings.

      From Indy2 says: 17 March, 2018 at 11:11 pm:

      “Heedy was highlighted yesterday because of his constant links he posts up to Unionist websites.
      Now if that is not Trolling ,I don’t know what is.

      This is, of course the truth, Indy2 does not know what trolling is and that is from his own admission. Posting direct links may, or may not, be undesirable but it is not, by definition, trolling.

      Then we have Rock, who is apparently attempting to base entire repeated personal bullying attacks on me, and others, upon his claims I am a, “verbal”, bully and those sticking to topic are control freaks.

      Thing is the topics on Wings are all chosen by only Stu Campbell and Wings is his personal blog.

      Then he goes on to enquire why I haven’t written a book on History. The first reason is that there are several, academically highly qualified historians, who specialise in Scottish history who have written history books. You won’t see them on the best sellers lists.

      You will thus not be able to inform the average adult Scot about the false Westminster propaganda in a history book they would never rush out to buy. They may, though, be interested if that history is linked to the political events of the present time.

      Your average Scot has a distorted, and propaganda loaded, view of history and much of it is gained from works of fiction and adaptations of history gained from BBC and Hollywood works of fiction.

      Even our national dress is based upon the fiction of Sir Walter Scott and his historical romance novels. Probably the best remembered historic fiction is the story of Bruce and the Spider. There is absolutely nothing factual in that fairy tale.

    300. Orri says:

      Novachuck,

      Apparently it’s made from two or more precursors. The question is if you didn’t know the secret of doing that could you fake an attack by mixing those and rely on that producing the same residue. That opens the possibilities up even more. Given some of the alleged components are pesticides you might even achieve a result that approximates a nerve agent without being quite as lethal.

      On a similar note, I’m reminded of an accident at a swimming pool where a delivery driver pumped a chemical into the wrong tank. Seems they don’t have large supplies of chlorine but mix two relatively safer components together. Pretty sure evil foreign powers wanting to gas opponents can figure that one out.

    301. galamcennalath says:

      HandandShrimp says:

      Trolling is about causing unrest and sowing discord. Honestly and openly posting a counter argument is just normal political discussion.

      Indeed. Open discussion is good. I think a few things mark out true trolls. The tendency is not to join in, even to argue against, it’s to disrupt.

      Some never mention the article and it’s theme but go totally off topic.

      As articles age the discussion goes off topic usually anyway, but trolls never respond to ongoing discussion. They want to deflect from it.

      They often play the people and not the information. Certainly best to not respond.

      There’s another particular troll style which has a life cycle. Comes on and contributes, then makes subtle but contention points (eg anti English), this escalates to become outrageous, and by now the troll is perceived as such it finally disappears. I suspect they return under a new name. Their behaviour is that of a racist and fascist independenista. Their intention is to provoke agreement and thus ‘proof’ we really are all vile!

      How much trolling is planned and coordinated, and how much just lone wolf BritNats amusing themselves? Hard to tell, but I reckon the more effective they are, the more likely they are to be ‘professional’.

    302. heedtracker says:

      So don’t confuse my disagreements I have with a few posters on here with my commitment to Scottish Independence.

      Oldest trick in the book, “I’m one of you, lets get HIM, or her…” It is always a him isn’t indy2.

      We already have Rock for this indy2, he’s a good example of the “I’m one of you lets get him!” brigade.

      But what’s one more.

    303. heedtracker says:

      Great speech from Leanne Wood this lunchtime,

      Leanne Wood – Y Newid Sydd Ei Angen – The Change We Need.

      “In the face of an empowered British nationalism taking us out of the EU, it’s no surprise that devolution is also at risk. Brexit is being used to grab powers back from devolved institutions to Westminster, instead of them being passed directly to Cardiff. That this can happen shows the weakness of the devolution settlement.

      Our country’s devolved Assembly and government are seen by many as being unable to deliver any serious or substantial change. The perception is that little difference can be made to the hardships people face. This is made worse by a widespread lack of knowledge about the devolution settlement: a watered down version of that granted to Scotland and the north of Ireland. Manchester and London now have some powers over policing, while Wales still does not.”

      We all know about the UK msm, led by BBC Scotland desperately trying to destroy Scottish democracy, let alone devolution.

      “Our country’s devolved Assembly and government are seen by many as being unable to deliver any serious or substantial change”

      Is there a Welsh Jackie Bird or Gordon Brewer for example? Probably not, not yet, not needed.

    304. ScotsRenewables says:

      Can’t imagine the glee this thread is causing the true enemies of Wings. And I have a vision of Stuart with his head in his hands.

      Just STFU people. If you disagree with someone’s views and don’t want to argue rationally with them then just fucking well ignore them.

    305. heedtracker says:

      Ms Woods explains further,

      “The combination of Westminster central government cuts to the Assembly block grant, and a lack of political will from Labour in Wales to push for the real powers that would enable us to stand on our own two feet, has left some people feeling that the Assembly is useless at best or worse, part of the problem.

      It is imperative that we point out that it is the government of Wales and not the Assembly that takes decisions and it is the government that should take responsibility for those decisions. If a monkey plays a violin badly it’s not a reason to condemn violins!”

      How many times does Scotland have to listen to the red and blue tories blame SNP Scots gov for tory Westminster austerity?

      And given the great beeb gimp network to do it all?

    306. heedtracker says:

      Ms Woods goes further,

      Throughout this last decade of cuts, despite many people believing differently, one third of people (30%) polled by the BBC and ICM (2017) believed that health was run by the UK government. Only half (54.9%) knew that education was devolved. Wales has had a Labour government responsible for the NHS, education, transport and other services since 2011, yet in 2016, only 19.6% of people knew that the previous government had been a Labour-only administration. Widespread confusion has been confirmed by a recent study conducted by the Electoral Reform Society in Wales.

      We have to change this knowledge deficit.”

      No we do not.

      Yours, with jaw dropping insincerity,

      Donalda Mac.

      Hammer of the vile seps in my UKOK Scotland region, only 200 grand a year, plus expenses.

    307. heedtracker says:

      Just STFU people. If you disagree with someone’s views and don’t want to argue rationally with them then just fucking well ignore them

      Great advice, but we’re not robots, are we.

      Robbie the Robot Peffers:D

      Turn the other cheek is fine, for some. But not for others.

    308. manandboy says:

      Meanwhile, in the world inhabited by the voters and not just by the secret agents of the UK & Russia, all is not well. Really not well.

      https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/18/cambridge-analytica-and-facebook-accused-of-misleading-mps-over-data-breach

      What is at stake here for whole populations of countries is trust in the political system, particularly in the integrity of election results.
      In the UK, what this means is that there could be a serious doubt over the validity of the results of the Scottish Independence Referendum , the EU Referendum & the General Election 2017, particularly with regard to the results in Scotland.

    309. schrodingers cat says:

      craig murray is gaining lots of followers for his blog where he points out the hypocrisy of the msm for not asking westminsster to clarify its statement ” chemicals of a type developed by russia”

      were these chemicals made in russia?

      seems a simple enough question to ask, so why didnt marr ask bojo this morning?

      I think he is onto something

    310. heedtracker says:

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43448563

      Trust me, the Anglo-Russian war goes well, there really were WMD’s in Iraq, we are now at war with Libya, Gaddafi is a monster, lets blow £12+bn on two aircraft carriers, in Crash Gordo’s constituency, with no jets to actually use it, to stick it to the Russians.

      For real change, like being incinerate by an Russian atomic bomb, Vote Labour.

      Wonder if there’s a UKOK fall out shelter under Pacific Quay. Its cost about half a billion, and its not that much at all really, just offices, some cameras and lights… solid gold toilets, for the talent ofcourse.

    311. Macart says:

      One way or another this is going to be a fairly important year for Scotland’s population. There is a lot going on in political and legal circles people aren’t privvy to and won’t understand the necessity of.

      Political types best be aware though, that doesn’t make the public stupid. A little explanation can go a long way for people who aren’t anoraks, but who do feel anxious or afraid. THIS is where the msm and establishment parties find fertile ground.

      Ignorance is their friend as we’ve seen time and again. They use people’s lack of knowledge on constitutional law, the Scotland bill settlement, devolved and reserved issues, the Barnett formula to basically make shit up. Like chimps on a sugar rush they chuck pooh in all directions knowing some will stick and become a set myth. They have a media only too willing to disseminate or back their guff up and the popular saturation to spread it far and wide.

      Not everyone is interested in politics or will be engaged by it. Sites like this are the only balance and representation near half of Scotland’s population are allowed. They are too valuable a resource and with all their power and wealth the establishment are still fearful of them and would step on each and every one given half a chance. They would, without question, deny folks even this route to representation and self expression. Sites like this cut through the wonk speak and translate for folk like us to understand plainly, just what is going on.

      This year, of all years, with Brexit, austerity ideology, a central government set on deconstructing a devolution settlement IT created to suit its own ends. This year, we need to focus on keeping these lines of communication open ordinary folk like us.

      Without them we go back to the days of mushroom farming and sleepwalking toward that cliff edge.

    312. heedtracker says:

      I think he is onto something

      So what if its not Russian nerve agents though?

      If its not a Russian hit, who else would do it?

      Real issue is, why are our imperial masters, via their now hysterical beeb gimp network, using this attempted murder to go tonto war monger, on an extremely aggressive global military power such as Russia, almost exactly at the most crucial Brexit negotiation stages?

      Presumably the Russians are pondering that of our imperial masters too.

    313. heedtracker says:

      Usual dingdongs on here explaining how FM Sturgeon, blessed she be, is wrong over Salsibury but just change the names in that beeb gimpery about John McDonnell, how he now also wants a war really, because he’s British!

      “Evil Nic Sturgeon, booooo, has said she really does now “agree with the prime minister” that the Russian state is “responsible” for the Salisbury spy poisoning.

      The Scottish SNP rotter told ITV “whichever way you look at it”, Russia’s Vladimir Putin “is responsible and all the evidence points to him”.

      SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon has been criticised for not blaming the Russian state categorically for the attack.

      An SNP spokesman said there had been “no shift” in SNP policy.” We are very sorry for our even daring to even doubt our glorious and wise PM May.” Is there any room in the BBC fall out shelter?

      Its very easy being a beeb gimp.

    314. galamcennalath says:

      heedtracker says:

      why are our imperial masters, via their now hysterical beeb gimp network, using this attempted murder …. almost exactly at the most crucial Brexit negotiation stages?

      Distraction. Get the population’s mind off Brexit before there is massive backlash against it.

      TMay can’t sign up to the legal Irish border agreement the EU needs to proceed with negotiations. The circle can’t be squared. It doesn’t look like the EU summit next week will settle anything. Then it all waits to June. All this is critically important, yet it’s being hidden one way or another.

      I keep concluding it’s all about playing for time – letting things drift purposely.

    315. Liz g says:

      Macart @ 1.14
      Well said, we have to keep the information flowing this year of all years.
      ……………
      Everyone else,just because I haven’t seen it posted yet!

      Mibbi the increased belligerence is not because they are worried, they’ve always been worried about this site.
      But rather,it’s because the fund raiser is on?

      Just a thought….

    316. wull2 says:

      Meanwhile back on the ground, not up in the tree with the squirrel, what do we have to look out for in brexit next week and on what days.

    317. Valerie says:

      @Jockanese Wind Talker 11.16am

      A snapshot of that letter is out on Twitter. Most significant,,but not mentioned on any broadcast outlet as far as I can see.

      I think the whole thing is a clusterfck. Bojo on Marr this am only added to that. Stammering, blustering, more “highly likely” stuff then accusing Marr of “BBC claptrap” when he was pressed on Russian donations. Comedy gold.

      I’m now seeing significant characters on Twitter, who were firmly in support of giving hell to Russia, now saying, oh wait a minute, maybe there is more to this.

    318. Valerie says:

      @wull2

      A significant fallout in the Brexit committee, chaired by Benn. The Remainers want their report to reflect UK is not ready, and want to ask for a negotiation to extend the A50 date beyond Mar.19, or extend the transition period.

      The Leavers report is to say – well they would say that, they are Remoaners.

    319. Craig Macinnes says:

      Buchan loony @ 11.04 – the term McMafia has nothing to do with Scotland but is a play on words referring to the McDonald burger chain, in a way of highlighting the global nature and reach of organised crime.

    320. Robert Peffers says:

      @Ottomanboi says: 18 March, 2018 at 9:38 am:

      “The National party might benefit from a depute leader with some nuance, sophistication and skill in handling PR matters of this kind.”

      But, Ottomanboi, “The National Party”, already have a person with nuance, sophistication and great skill in handling PR matters of this kind”.

      Some woman or other, apparently called Nicola something or other, I’m really surprised you haven’t heard of her.

      Rumour has it, on the interwebby thingy, that this unknown woman, (on the SMSM and Westminster owned and funded BBC), is more influential to Britain, (and even the United Kingdom bit of Britain), than that wonderful, “Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth of England”, and our own, usually ignored, Elizabeth Queen of Scots.

    321. galamcennalath says:

      wull2 says:

      what do we have to look out for in brexit next week

      https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-fears-irish-border-could-still-kill-brexit-transition-deal-david-davis-franco-german-alliance/

      This week is the EU Spring Summit. Brexit is one of the items for discussion. I suspect the conclusion will be insufficient progress, again.

      Such events used to be the focus of msm attention. This time everything seems very quiet.

    322. schrodingers cat says:

      heedtracker says:

      So what if its not Russian nerve agents though?

      If its not a Russian hit, who else would do it?
      ———–

      i dunno, although he isnt saying it isnt the ruskis only that there is no proof it is

    323. Dr Jim says:

      Can’t think of any court where you’d get a conviction for murder on *highly likely* what kind of lawyer would present that as a case for prosecution let alone threaten an entire foreign country with, da da da dah.. Sanctions

      It’s time the legal folk intervened and said

      Shosit or shuttit

      Somebody should charge the government with bringing the government into disrepute and ruining it’s reputation as being very truthy people, ja think that’ll happen?

    324. frogesque says:

      O/t

      Reminder, Hands Off Our Parliament (HOOP) demo at Holyrood/ Carlton Hill this coming Friday, March 23rd. Starts 10.00am.

      Apologies to the usual suspects for the direct link to the National. Suck it up!

      http://www.thenational.scot/news/16093652.Holyrood_set_for_Hands_Off_Our_Parliament_protest_next_week/#comments-anchor

    325. heedtracker says:

      I keep concluding it’s all about playing for time – letting things drift purposely.

      Also galamcennalath, there’s really big bucks in UKOK war. Isn’t teamGB one of the world’s biggest manufacturers of weapons now. Look at the toryboy arselicking of a Saudi monster lately, who is buying Typhoons is it?

      So proud.

    326. heedtracker says:

      i dunno, although he isnt saying it isnt the ruskis only that there is no proof it is

      He’s an interesting guy SC, with front line experience but you know, he’s not asking the right questions. And he’s been out of the loop for decades now.

      Its kind of important to not have situations where we all go, Well so and so says so, therefore…

      Or, look at how our resident zoomer Rock uses Mr Murray, for example. Its Mr Murray, so argue with that level of braininess, if you dare.

      Why are these lying bastards lying to us now, should be carved on Arthur’s seat, next to that huge YES sign someone placed up there lately.

      Just like the HOLLYWOOD sign on Mount Lee, in the Hollywood Hills area of the Santa Monica Mountains.

      Why indeed?

    327. galamcennalath says:

      heedtracker says:

      there’s really big bucks in UKOK war

      Indeed. It looks so much better on the glossy arms brochures when they can say that the product has been ‘successful’ in a real world situation! Friendly folks like the Saudis get to prove practical effectiveness.

      True for all arms producing countries. No doubt the Exocets and the latest Sidewinders sold well after the Falklands.

    328. Dan Huil says:

      Britnats, even with their arrogant and ignorant attitude towards the EU, demand support from the EU over Russian “guilt”.

      Same way britnats treat Scotland.

      Britnat hypocrisy never fails to sicken.

    329. schrodingers cat says:

      he’s not asking the right questions
      —————–

      the fact that the bbc and the tories and the un are all refusing to clarify or answer his question on whether the nerve agent came from russia and assiduously sticking to the line ” of a type developed by Russia” kinda indicates he is asking the right question.

      for now at least

    330. Thepnr says:

      Quite a lot of conflicting information being bandied about on the Brexit talks this week. Many feel that progress on the transition talks will be hampered if the legal text on the border issue cannot be agreed between the UK and the EU.

      I’m reading more though that makes it appear the “legal text” part could be booted into the long grass at least for now. Another area in dispute is the length of the transition period, now reading that the UK government could be looking for a period of up to 5 years!

      Slugger O’Toole has a good article on these subjects that make me think something is up and that is why over the last few days we have heard a lot more about the “optimism” of an agreement of sorts over the transition period coming out of this weeks talks.

      Dublin not expected to use their “border veto” against a transition deal for the UK

      The UK are hoping for agreement on a transition period longer than December 2020 as currently mooted, during which the UK would pay full EU budgetary contributions…

      A key sticking point remains the Irish border where little progress has been made. So they are talking about a purely political agreement which would not have legal force…

      “The Tánaiste’s remarks on extending the transition period reflect concerns that proposed deadlines may slip and a longer transition period may be needed given the deep divisions between London and Brussels. He has said previously that the transition period could take up to five years.”

      https://sluggerotoole.com/2018/03/18/dublin-not-expected-to-use-their-border-veto-against-a-transition-deal-for-the-uk/

    331. Giving Goose says:

      Maybe the Tories actually want Putin to benefit so that he goes on and wins the Russian election.

      Could be a wheeze to ensure the Russians continue bank rolling the Tory party.

      Actually it was probably that Salmond again.

    332. Robert Peffers says:

      @Highland Wifie says: 18 March, 2018 at 10:21 am:

      “Relieved I do not pay the BBC tax and avoid most of it. It also frees up £150 a year to fund media of my choice.”

      I’m sorry to have to tell you this, Highland Wifie, but you do actually pay the propaganda tax. I posted the real facts within the past few days but obviously I did not reach everyone or you just didn’t believe the truth.

      The World’s very first broadcaster of news items and entertainment was a ham. (amateur Radio), station whose call sign was 2MT:-

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2MT

      They were then followed by a ham radio station whose call sign was 2LO, (the LO bit means London).

      Both of these ham radio stations were backed by the same several manufacturers of Ham Radio Wireless sets.

      However, as these Wireless sets were only being used by ham radio enthusiasts. many of them were listeners only not knowledgably enough to pass the stringent ham licence that allowed them to transmit wireless signals.

      So the market for, “Wireless”, receivers was quite low and even wee schoolkids could knock up a, “Crystal Set”, to receive ham radio signals:-

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_radio

      So these two early wireless stations were for the purpose of selling Wireless sets to the general public and the stations were backed by early Wireless set makers including Marconi and Murphy:-

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/timelines/zxqc4wx

      The Westminster government realised that broadcasting had great potential as a propaganda tool and they took over broadcasting by a Royal Warrant to the early hams stations as, “The British Broadcasting Corporation”.

      The BBC was, and still is, a private corporation. In the early days these broadcasters had to stick to Ham Radio licence rules – that is they were restricted to broadcast for short periods and then had to swap to listening for incoming calls from other hams.

      In any event the government licenced the BBC as a Broadcaster i.e. the BBC had to pay the government to broadcast, but the government also charged the BBC with the responsibility of issuing receiving licenses and collecting the licence money for the Treasury.

      That is the listener’s licence money goes to the government and, in return, the Government and the BBC agree an annual grant of taxpayers money to fund the BBC, who also, being nominally a private corporation, sell their programmes and other recordings World Wide.

      So there is the truth backed up with citations to the true facts and the true fact is that Westminster owns and funds the BBC and always has done.

      The first big propaganda lie that the BBC carried out for their paymaster was to foster the lie that Licence payers money funds the BBC.

      It does not. It is funded by the Treasury from general taxation. Everyone, whether they pay the Licence fee or not, pays to have Westminster Propaganda sent into peoples homes.

      Please note that these are facts and not my personal opinion as the cites I quoted will prove.

      I expect the resident trolls to be along soon in an attempt to discredit the facts – they are welcome to try.

    333. schrodingers cat says:

      cm
      I think I might now have a vodka. Of a type developed by Russia. Made in Warrington.

    334. Highland Wifie says:

      @Robert Peffers
      Not going to argue with you Robert. Whatever way it works I now pay £150pa less in tax to WM.
      That alone makes me happy.
      Using that money to fund pro Indy media makes me even happier!

    335. TheBuchanLoony says:

      Thanks for your replies re my McMafia post earlier. I feel the majority of viewers like myself would not know of that explanation and believe that it was some kind of Scottish connection. I still think that Nicola and the SNP wisely dodged forever being vilified and smeared by the msm and BBC as being the McMafia party.

    336. Dan Huil says:

      @Highland Wifie 2:52pm

      Well said, Highland Wifie.

    337. heedtracker says:

      for now at least

      No its not. Spooks are spooks. The whole point of spooks is no one really knows what they’re up to. Its what make le Carré interesting, not just not knowing how its done, by whom, but why.

      Its like sticking your oar into civil wars as a foreigner , you probably have no idea who the bad guys, who to back etc. Syria for example.

      It’s almost certain that the Salisbury attempted murders were Russian ex KGB hits, vengeance, signals to any potential ("Tractor" - Ed)s.

      Did they expect this full on tory and BBC fury at them, the whole of the UK msm going completely Russia mental at them? Unlikely.

      If you can, listen to the early BBC r4 tory news coverage from the date of the incident, 4th March.

      There’s a small BBC r4 lull in their reports, couple of days, then a clear switch from news to full on Russia bad propaganda , with at first hesitant and then very confident beeb gimps query assorted tories, in very similar modes of vacuity, then its an act of war our British homeland.

      Be great to follow it all up through the beeb gimp chain of command to see how it all works, right in to Central Office and No.10.

      Viewers in Scotland have their own SNP out BBC attack propaganda.

    338. Legerwood says:

      manandboy @ 1.01pm

      Cambridge Analytica

      The Chair of the Commons Committee that interviewed Mr Nix in February has issued a statement saying they want to recall him and the head of Facebook to explain the apparent discrepancy in the statements made to the committee and what is emerging now.

      https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/digital-culture-media-and-sport-committee/news/cambridge-analytica-statement/

      Someone posted a link earlier – Scott Finlayson @ 8.20 pm yesterday – in this thread to the Committee’s session with Mr Nix. I watched most of it and Mr Nix’s responses to direct questions about harvesting data from Facebook are directly contradicted by what is emerging now.

    339. t42 says:

      Looks like the spam-posters have woken up, they’ve had a late night posting anti-russian fake news.

      “Get yer hats, twofurrapound, two furrapound”

      https://eu.store.fifa.com/eu_en/bestseller/2018-fifa-world-cup-russiatm-beanie-logo

    340. Thepnr says:

      Here’s Hilary Benn, Chair of Brexit Select Committee telling Sunday Politics today that:

      “If there’s a whole load of things that haven’t yet been negotiated then the government could ask for an extension to the article 50 process.”

      https://twitter.com/daily_politics/status/975344059345600512

      The UK establishment getting desperate now to avoid crashing out of the EU without a deal. Conflicting views from all sides, a smokescreen that says we are not ignoring “the will of the people.

      Desperate people do desperate things and boy are they desperate.

    341. heedtracker says:

      “If there’s a whole load of things that haven’t yet been negotiated then the government could ask for an extension to the article 50 process.”

      Anglo-Russian postpones Brexit, War in the East will never end?

      https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/18/brexit-transition-period-plan-splits-mps-select-committee

      BJ the Clown in stinky olde war mongering ThE Guardian,

      “Boris Johnson is seeking to cement the support of foreign ministers of the 27 other EU member states on the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal at a meeting to be held on Monday in Brussels, as the UK tries to rally more international support behind its tough stance against Moscow.

      Zoom zoom.

      Also Severin Carrell says Scotland is shit. under SNP Scots gov.

      But on the bright side, we get to keep our EU citizenship!

    342. Robert Peffers says:

      @manandboy says: 18 March, 2018 at 10:52 am:

      https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/data-war-whistleblower-christopher-wylie-faceook-nix-bannon-trump?

      “Democracy is now in a tailspin.”

      What democracy would that be, manandboy?

      Factually before the Treaty of Union the three country Kingdom of England was a Kingdom. No matter that the 1688 rebellion of the English parliamentarians deposed their rightful monarch, their subsequent actions of inviting Mary of Orange to be their new monarch was rejected by her on the grounds that she did not want her husband, Billy of Orange, to become her consort.

      When the English parliamentarian rebels then agreed to offer the Royal Orange couple a joint monarchy but only on condition they legally delegated their Royal veto, (their Divine Right of Kings), to the Parliament of the Kingdom of England and thus made the three country Kingdom of England into its present legal status of, “A constitutional Monarchy”, in which the monarch remains, legally, the head of state and still legally sovereign and thus legally retaining the Royal Prerogative.

      The Kingdom of Scotland, being still independent in 1688, did not depose their, “King of Scots”, who was not, under Scots law legally sovereign. Yet Westminster assumed that not only did Westminster hold legal sovereignty over the Scottish Kingdom but that the Jacobites, who were fighting to retain their legal monarch, were the rebels.

      Anyway, Scotland remained independent until 1706/7 and the Treaty of Union or why else did they bother with a treaty and two respective Acts of Union it 1706/7?

      As to Scotland, (and ignoring that the common people did not have the franchise), the people were already sovereign and the monarchy not sovereign and that was, for that time, a democracy. i.e. the people with the franchise had sovereignty until the Union with the Kingdom of England assumed that England’s monarch had somehow gained sovereignty over Scotland.

      Now here we discover why the Britnats not only attempt to call themselves the Parliament of Britain, (as in “BREXIT”), but claim that Westminster is sovereign over everyone in Britain.

      But it doesn’t need a brain like Stephen Hawking to figure out that a kingdom with a legally sovereign monarch as its head of state simply cannot be a democracy.

      To amplify that fact – every person who is elected to serve in any United Kingdom government must swear, (or make a solemn affirmation), of their loyalty to the legally sovereign monarch and not to the organisation they are elected to serve nor to loyalty to those that elected them.

      That means in effect the voters of the Kingdom of England delegate their sovereign monarchs sovereignty to their Westminster MP but the electorate of Scotland delegate their own legally held sovereignty to their elected representatives and that goes for even local councils.

    343. heedtracker says:

      “Yes Prime Minister, this phoney hot Anglo-Russo war not only means that we HAVE to very sensibly postpone/cancel the Brexit catastrophe, you are also enjoying a well earned bump up in the polls.

      And ofcourse, postponed/cancelled Brexit takes out that vile woman in our Edinburgh plans for Scots indyref2.

      And even if we can postpone Brexit with this phoney Anglo-Russo for a few more UK years, it gives our BBC Scotland gimps in Scotland a lot more time to take down the SNP in Holyrood, for a generation.”

    344. Dr Jim says:

      RT is really bad and it’s a mouthpiece for Russian propaganda say the BBC and UK Guv and shouldn’t be complying with UK law and be governed by ofcom and paying tax into the UK to broadcast says the BBC

      While at the same time the BBC is illegally broadcasting into North Korea against the wishes of that government and not paying any tax in that country for the privilege of its illegal broadcasting

      The BBCs defence? They’re a truthful organisation getting the word out and David Attenborough and stuff

      All foreigners must comply but not the BBC coz they’re above the law, British don’t you know! and according to John Pilger the greatest propaganda machine in the world working for the UK government

      Some folk have difficulty spelling the word Hypocrisy
      there’s an easy way *Lying Shitty Backstabbing Bastirts* I find covers it pretty well

    345. heedtracker says:

      And even if we can postpone Brexit with this phoney Anglo-Russo WAR for a few more UK years, it gives our BBC Scotland gimps in Scotland a lot more time to take down the SNP in Holyrood, for a generation.”

      oops, sorry.

      Launch the Boris WMD.

    346. Robert Peffers says:

      @TheBuchanLoony says: 18 March, 2018 at 11:04 am:

      “It has always puzzled me why the recent BBC peak time drama about Russian gangsterism in the UK was called ‘McMafia’. It was set in London and there was no Scottish characters.”

      Puzzle no longer, The Buchan Loony. It is the Britnat mind-set at work yet again. The inference is the Mafia are a clan and not as the Mafia were originally claimed as, “a family”.

      A bit like the Britnat myth that the powerful Borders Families were also clans and thus exclusively, “Scottish”, families.
      Factually the Borders Reivers were actually neither Scottish or English. They were Borders groups and not confined to blood relatives on either side of the Borders.

      In fact the English Law term, “Blackmail”, is derived from the term, “Blackmeal”, which was the Reiver’s term for the price travellers paid for safe passage through the borders regions of both kingdoms it has no place under Scots Law.

      You obviously seem to be too young to remember when TV drama villeins and hard men were invariably played by Scots actors. Their other particular forte in those days was as drunks and beggars in English cities.

      Ye Olde BBC Propaganda broadcaster has been at this anti-all things not England since the dawn of radio broadcasting which the BBC began.

      The BBC was the World’s first government funded propaganda broadcaster. It became the World’s largest and has remained so ever since. VOA & Radio Moscow came later and never were so large or so World Wide. Both upstarts certainly had some, more powerful, transmitters but both never rivalled the BBC who had many more smaller transmitters dotted around more World countries. Mainly in Commonwealth and UK Colonies.

    347. heedtracker says:

      From the archives, dont ask. As if the UKOK beeb gimp zone wasn’t enough.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-23379615

      The group campaigning for a no vote in Scotland’s independence referendum has said it will embark on the most sophisticated targeting of voters seen in British political history.

      Pro-union Better Together has launched its new “Patriot” system.

      It will divide Scotland’s four million voters into 40 different tribes.

      In a statement, Better Together campaign director Blair McDougall said: “We have to make sure that we are on the doorsteps and high streets, but also that we are also on peoples’ smartphones, tablets and PCs.

      “This new tool will help bring our thousands of volunteers together with the key voters who will decide the outcome of the referendum.”

      Will old Thunderbutt actually get elected as red tory for East Renfrewshire, will he parachuted into a Lab safe seat in England, tune in next snap GE.

      Wonder why Sir Thunderbutt hasn’t stood for a Holyrood list thingee, beneath his tory dignity probably.

      But if they let in my Slovene girlfriend…

      What Prof Smirky, Better Together Slovenia branch manager, says is also interesting to watch on twitter, if only because that toryboy never ever tweets anything about the toryboy war with Russia. None of the Holyrood tory creep show does.

      Most odd.

      Or, so much for BetterTogether, Slovenia style.

    348. wull2 says:

      Thanks to all the wingers who keep us informed, something you don’t get from the Scottish media.
      Keep visiting this site to find what they are up to, and tell everyone you meet ( Vote YES next time )

    349. heedtracker says:

      Could toryboy creep outs like this, be the reason a toryboy creepout like my Slovene girlfriend is totally mute, war with Russia wise?

      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/wife-of-former-putin-minister-buys-game-of-tennis-with-david-cameron-and-boris-johnson-for-160000-9583195.html

      Wife of former Putin minister buys game of tennis with David Cameron and Boris Johnson for £160,000
      Lubov Chernukhin, the banker wife of Russia’s former foreign minister Vladimir, won the lot at a glittering Tory fundraiser on Wednesday”

      Hope the tory creeps let her win too.

    350. galamcennalath says:

      Via WoS twitter …..

      ” Mr Malky
      There is clear evidence Better Together were tapping into Facebook’s data
      They called it the “Patriot System” but it was Cambridge Analytica and had the full backing of the UK Govt “

      … with a link from 2013 ….

      http://archive.is/UmRtf

      If BT used illegal personal data harvesting, this needs fully exposed.

      I worried about them doing it next time. Seems they have already deployed this technology!

    351. heedtracker says:

      I have asked my Slovene girlfriend why his tories are now at war with the evil Russians, after taking so much of their lovely Russian money. But Prof Smirky just says he doesn’t like tennis, he’s football supporter, queens eleven. And Brenda hates tennis too

      “The party’s annual summer and winter events are attended by members of the top echelon of Tory-supporting society and include lobbyists, financiers and dignitaries across various business sectors.

      The auction saw the game of tennis with David Cameron and Boris Johnson being offered with other lots, such as a bottle of champagne signed by Margaret Thatcher, which went for £45,000.

      While the party moved to try and keep details of the event concealed, Ms Chernukhin’s lawyers said in a statement to the Guardian: “Mr Chernukhin attended the Hurlingham Club event with his wife, Lubov Chernukhin,” Carter Ruck said.

      “Mrs Chernukin is a Conservative party member and supporter. Mrs Chernukhin bid on the lot to which you refer. Mrs Chernukhin’s bid was successful.”

      Briton Ms Chernukhin has donated £5,500 to the Tories since 2012, after a £10,000 donation was ‘deferred’ when she was considered an ‘impermissible donor,’ according to Electoral Commission records.

      It comes as David Cameron’s party faces pressure to detail its links with a lobbying firm representing high-profile Russian clients that donated a quarter of its annual profits to help the Tories win the last election.

      New Century Media is understood to have paid for cabinet ministers to attend its events, while representing organisations such as the foundation of Ukranian billionaire Dmitry Firtas”

      So much for red’s under the bed, they’re now members of the teamGB Conservative party.

    352. Liz g says:

      Andy B @ 4.18
      That’s quite an interesting link Andy B..
      It also lead on to one about “NUDGE” theory.
      Apparently one local authority ran a trial to encourage voter participation (the point here being it can’t then be illegal).
      Got me thinking about local groups organising a raffle around voter registration.
      ….You register,you get a ticket, the draw the day before the vote,to draw attention to it for people newly registered.
      Prizes can be donated from each groups own fund raisin efforts and obviously age appropriate!

      Anybody any thoughts?

    353. galamcennalath says:

      @heedtracker

      I see you got there first with the “Patriot System” story. Collecting data is fair enough, but it was done my very questionable means then it needs to be exposed.

      I would hope someone from the Scottish Government starts asking questions about this while the world’s attention is on the Facebook harvesting scandal.

      Interesting name they chose, “Patriot”. In the US quest for independence from the UK they divided the North American colonists into two groups Patriots and Tories i.e. separatists and those loyal to the crown. I have always rather liked that classification. Much better than Nats and Unionists when all Unionists are BritNats anyway.

      BT inverted the meaning of “Patriot” !

    354. Breeks says:

      Quick question to ponder…

      Given that Sergei Skripal and his daughter still remain in critical condition, and May is absolutely determined to vilify the Russians for doing it, doesn’t it strike you as conspicuously odd that the UK has been so cock sure of itself about blaming the Russians, expelling Diplomats, and fretting about the World Cup, but yet from what I have seen, hasn’t been especially forceful about demanding to know from the Russians if there is an antidote to the poison to save the lives of the victims?

      Small point I know, but curious priorities, no?

    355. heedtracker says:

      Small point I know, but curious priorities, no?

      Imagine how hard the UKOK right, well all our imperial masters, are hoping and praying for them to just die already!

    356. Robert Peffers says:

      @Highland Wifie says: 18 March, 2018 at 2:52 pm:

      “Not going to argue with you Robert. Whatever way it works I now pay £150pa less in tax to WM.”

      Och! No!

      I wasn’t criticising you. Highland Wifie. Just getting the truth out about the BBC and the ingrained propaganda they have always spread about themselves and the licence fees.

      This is, after all, the same BBC who began life with this slogan Moto, “Nation shall speak truth unto Nation”. They have subsequently always made great play with that slogan Moto, and have now been consistently lying to the World ever since. Here is a prime example:-

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/speeches/stories/boaden_vlv.shtml

      You also say, “That alone makes me happy”

      Aye! But as I’m long past the age of qualifying for a free licence I’m jealous of those like you who save some tax by not paying – I save nothing.

      “Using that money to fund pro Indy media makes me even happier!”

      And of course means I’m sending my own money to help Indy appeals for cash.

      Seriously, my motive only is nothing more than getting people to understand the true facts about the totally vile MSM.

    357. yesindyref2 says:

      @Breeks
      There are general antidotes for nerve agent poisoning such as atropine, and others. As long as the class and effect on the body of a CWC attack can be identified, antidotes will usually already exist, a main purpose of Portondown, even if there are others nobody talks about.

      https://www.gov.uk/government/news/the-truth-about-porton-down

      Biological is quite different.

    358. Liz g says:

      galamcennalath @ 4.58
      It seems the “flaw” in the plan was the “thousands” of activists needed to make use of the information,didn’t exist.
      That would explain,Cameron’s misdirection that it was a “matter for Scotland”.
      Also the Bused in activist’s and the phone Bank’s in England!

    359. heedtracker says:

      Cui bono?

      What’s U2 got to do with this?

      Never trusted Bono personally, ipso facto wise.

    360. Dr Jim says:

      Blair McDougall still alive?!

      I heard he’d been poisoned, oh not yet, OK right, silly me reading next weeks list

    361. Breeks says:

      yesindyref2 says:
      18 March, 2018 at 5:25 pm
      @Breeks
      There are general antidotes for nerve agent poisoning such as atropine, and others….

      Yes, but the victims are still critical days later so the antidotes would appear ineffective to a degree, but since May is determined to hold the Russians to account regardless, surely there is more leverage in demanding an antidote than having a tit-for-tat expulsion of diplomats?

      There is also precedent… When Mossad tried to poison Khaled Mashal by spraying poison in his ear in 1997, Israel was caught red handed and obliged to provide the antidote.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_Mashal

    362. Highland Wifie says:

      No problem Robert P. I know your motives are honourable.
      But your post raises an uncomfortable question for me. When I get to the ripe old age of 75 (about a dozen years away) will I start watching again on the basis that it’s free?

      Ach what am I talking about, we’ll have our own broadcaster by then and an independent Scotland.
      YES!

    363. Marker Post says:

      From November 2017: Brexit Referendum may need to be redone

      https://patribotics.blog/2017/11/24/exclusive-brexit-referendum-may-need-to-be-redone/

      “Multiple sources with links to UK intelligence report that Russian corruption of the Brexit vote is far worse than previously thought. The referendum on remaining part of the EU received so much illegal foreign money and influence from Russia, these sources say, that UK intelligence is minded to recommend to Theresa May’s government that the Brexit vote be redone, as it is not thought that the vote was ‘free and fair’.”

    364. Marker Post says:

      http://journals.openedition.org/rfcb/418

      Patriot database used by the No Campaign apparently developed by credit group Experian.

    365. heedtracker says:

      Toryboys really really want a war. It has got to be to close down Brexit. Why else would the torboys being prodding away at the Russians like this.

      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-russia-johnson/britain-accuses-russia-of-secretly-stockpiling-deadly-nerve-agent-used-in-attack-idUSKBN1GU0EZ

    366. Marker Post says:

      Interesting… just found someone’s profile on Linked In who used to work for Experian until December 2014 as a solution analyst, now works for Cambridge Analytica…

    367. Marker Post says:

      Found a profile on Linked In of a guy who worked for Experian until December 2014, then moved to Cambridge Analytica…

    368. Bob Mack says:

      @Heed tracker,

      Why would they want a war to avoid Brexit? There would be nothing left to export anyway. Maybe they want the threat of war?

    369. Marker Post says:

      Cambridge Analytica staff proudly state on their LinkedIn profiles, “helping clients deliver data-driven behaviour change”…

    370. yesindyref2 says:

      According to Boris, the Russians have been making and stockpiling the Novochug agent for 10 years, for assassinations. I can just see the scene in the FSB basement black ops room: “Quick, assassinate the guy before he gives away our latest anti-stealth technology secrets.”.

      … two weeks later …

      “Oh. Back to the drawing board, cleanup in storage aisle 2″”.

    371. heedtracker says:

      Bob Mack says:
      18 March, 2018 at 6:47 pm
      @Heed tracker,

      Why would they want a war to avoid Brexit? There would be nothing left to export anyway. Maybe they want the threat of war?

      There’s various levels of hot war Bob. Quite a lot of very hot wars began with the odd skirmish. We seem to live in a time where recent historic triggers of war is almost completely forgotten, or its that age old, it can never happen here can it, mindset.

      Russia is not a liberal progressive Scandinavia style democracy. Far far from it.

      Look familiar? If Scots indyref1 result didn’t actually match all polls,

      http://www.spiegel.de/video/wahl-in-russland-wahlbeobachter-veroeffentlichen-videos-video-99015697.html

    372. @Robert Peffers

      Tried to explain the Broadcast Tax to a pro Independence site that are doing good work trying to set up an alternative to the State run BBC,

      they have been allowed to broadcast FMQ`s and i got the impression that they thought you didn`t need a `BBC licence`
      to watch their broadcast,

      i just mentioned that you would still need a Broadcast,BBC,TV license, (this was twitter so explanations were limited),

      and i got a very sharp reply ` no you don`t`

      i said anything that is broadcast `live` and you watch by any medium you will legally need a TV licence, (i player is not broadcast live but you still need to pay broadcast tax to watch),

      they said they were not broadcasting `live` `cause there was a 15 second delay in it being broadcast,

      i said `live` doesn`t mean as the content actually happens `live` means accessing anything , broadcast ( Dads Army) as it is being broadcast by anyone and any station,

      ayhoo after that they went and blocked me,

      honestly hope the do well,

      but seemed to me a bit of the old cognitive dissonance going on.

    373. Clootie says:

      STV tonight showed footage from the Russian elections to highlight a man in a polling station voting several times ( I suppose we are supposed to assume fr Putin)

      Is it just me or does it surprise anyone else that a British news channel obtained security footage recording from a Russian polling station on the DAY of the election
      ….it must be me!

      We just happened to get the right footage from a polling station at which he voted…amazing!

    374. Thepnr says:

      Another Tory Brexit promise binned, never saw that one coming, not talking of me but Bungling Bertie Armstrong.

      Scottish Fishermen fooled again, will they ever learn?

      UK abandons bid for immediate return of fisheries control after Brexit – sources

      Plans to take back control of UK fisheries the moment Britain leaves the EU appear to have been abandoned in the face of united EU opposition, dealing a significant blow to the ambitions of the environment secretary, Michael Gove.

      Gove put repatriating control of fisheries at the heart of his post-Brexit strategy. But as the negotiations to secure the terms of a transition deal go to the wire in Brussels, the UK has backed down.

      However, sources say there have been concessions on both sides. The EU is prepared to allow the UK a say in the negotiations on setting the allowable catch for the EU fleet even after the formal departure date of 29 March 2019.

      https://archive.is/LSoum

    375. K1 says:

      Here’s Chritopher Wyiie (Cambridge Analytica whistleblower) explaining exactly how CA did/do their propaganda. Did we seriously believe that populations had suddenly become more right wing? Well that’s the basis of the ‘experiment’ to ensure they alter the ‘target’ society sufficiently to get them to vote against their best interests.

      This is him on video*, for those who can’t be bothered reading about the ins and outs, the lad gives a good and easy to understand account of ‘how’ they did it…and do we seriously believe they are still ‘not’ doing it?

      Nah…me either:

      https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/video/2018/mar/17/cambridge-analytica-whistleblower-we-spent-1m-harvesting-millions-of-facebook-profiles-video

      *not archiving. Embedded video in link.

    376. stewartb says:

      Marker Post @ 6:31 pm

      Thanks for this link: https://patribotics.blog/2017/11/24/exclusive-brexit-referendum-may-need-to-be-redone/

      Its focus is on “Multiple sources with links to UK intelligence report(ing) that Russian corruption of the Brexit vote is far worse than previously thought. …” the article goes on to note that “It is illegal under UK electoral law for foreign nationals and entities to spend sums of money influencing domestic votes.”

      However, there is very recent evidence of the Tory Government being happy to avoid transparency on such matters.

      Remember this? “…revelation that the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) had taken a controversial £435,000 donation for its Brexit campaign. The source of that money is still a secret, because the UK government reneged on its previous commitment to publish details of donations from January 2014 onwards.” And none of this money it seems was spent in NI!

      See: https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/brexitinc/opendemocracy-investigations/northern-irish-party-donors-finally-published

    377. Legerwood says:

      K1 @ 7.38 pm

      Ch4 News interviewed the whistleblower who described how the data was harvested. Here is the link

      https://www.channel4.com/news/cambridge-analytica-facebook-profiles-whistleblower-chris-wylie-election

      Tonight they interviewed the chair of the Commons Committee that is investigating the issue. They will be recalling Mr Nix of Cambridge Analytica because the latest revelations seem to contradict the statements he made when he faced the Committee in February 2018. They are also hoping to recall people from Facebook, hopefully more senior people than appeared before the Committee previously.

      Tomorrow night CH4 news will be featuring an undercover report about Cambridge Analytica. Should be worth watching.

    378. Iain mhor says:

      @Heedtracker 4:51pm
      Was about to post the same link re: Patriot System & Tribes
      Lucky I had a look further up the posts to see you already had.
      I remember it because I posted the link to that story on my first comment on Wings waay back (possibly under a slightly different handle) I didn’t get any response to it at the time. I’m just glad after all these years someone else remembered the story! – I still have the link in my archive and was about to go Aha! – Bloody ninja’d and I waited 5 years too! – Typical 🙂

    379. Gary45% says:

      Vladimir Putin is innocent,
      Boris “bumbling wifwaf” Johnson is a FUCKING INBRED ARSEHOLE.
      Nothing else to say on the matter, except.
      It was Zionist Mossad who “done the dirty in Salisbury.”( like many other things)

      Putin democratically elected , Assad democratically elected, Wee Kim democratically elected BY THEIR PEOPLE.
      The West/Empire morons continually berate these countries for being brain washed e.t.c.
      Just take a look at the pathetic Empire with flags waving etc at(Unelected) Brenda and her family of spongers, money grabbing scum.
      YOU COULDN’T MAKE IT UP.

      Russia more honest than the West.
      Assad is fighting REBELS, why are none of the west helping him?

    380. t42 says:

      Facebook and google were permanent customers of the establishment for the past decade. But since it was just revealed steve bannon bought some facebook ads/intel, suddenly the Soros controlled press and MPs have decided its now a very bad thing.

      How did trump and brexit win they ask? After all, they control the newspapers, the tv, the radio, AH-HA! It must have been that couple of million quids worth of targeted facebook ads what done it.
      Ban internet ads now!
      From now on all ads on the internet must be approved by our government social media regulator headed by Lord Crony-Peedo of Dubious Tax Arrangements.

    381. Gary45% says:

      Oh aye Chris,
      Another classic “toon”
      Nice one.

    382. heedtracker says:

      Ain’t no shyster like a toryboy shyster. Maybe even Colonel Ruth will be handing them back their donations, to the Colonel Ruth for Scots FM campaign fund.

      https://www.rt.com/uk/421483-jacob-rees-mogg-russia/

    383. PacMan says:

      Bill McLean @ 18 March, 2018 at 11:02 am

      Great comment PacMan – don’t give up!

      Thanks for the kind words Bill 🙂

      Ottomanboi @ 18 March, 2018 at 11:10 am

      @PacMan
      There are situations when perhaps it is better to say nothing at all.
      Particularly when the situation is not within your capabilities to assess effectively.
      Circumstantial ‘evidence’, political spin and media gossip don’t count as fact.
      The clunkiest Westminster government for decades isn’t one to be trusted.

      Regardless of what the likes of the British Broadcasting Corporation would have us believe, the SNP is the establishment party in Scotland and as seen with recent polls, the idea of independence has been normalised to the point where it is firmly on the agenda as well even after 4 years since the referendum.

      To get independence normalised to the point that enough undecided’s switch over to independence, the SNP has to seen, not as a part of protest but as a party of the establishment, which it is.

      In politics, that means saying the right things and not rocking the boat unnecessary. In this particular situation, it means going with the flow.

      Lets get once thing straight, Nicola Sturgeon isn’t making any assertions. As you pointed out, she and her advisers don’t have the capability over the evidence to make a decision. All she is saying is based on the information given to her by a third party she is siding with the status-quo.

      That may seen cowardly or not the right thing to do but it is the smart thing to do in politics. If the British authorities produce concrete evidence then NS is fine. If they don’t, then NS won’t be stuck with the mud afterwards.

      I had mentioned in my previous post that I no longer post on here because I have nothing to say that others on here more lucidly and coherently. The other reason is that the phase of independence has gone from that of a protest movement to one firmly set in the ball court of politics where I have only a little understanding.

      I’m with you that this who scandal becomes more absurd and almost surreal by the minute but in the political world, NS and the rest of the SNP party have to do the smart thing and win the hearts and minds of the public. I don’t think picking a fight with the British establishment over this is a good thing but as I mentioned, I don’t frankly know. This is why now I prefer to just lurk and try to get as best as opinion from those who know more than me.

    384. Jock McDonnell says:

      @Pacman
      Think that’s right, it’s about winning undecided voters at this point.

    385. Will McEwan says:

      The continuous campaign to marginalise Scotland on the BBC continues. We has about 4 hours of live English football on BBC 1 all afternoon.

    386. wull2 says:

      The eye drops take time to work, the more nonsense they are exposed to, the better they work to see what is really going on.
      Just in case you don’t use the drops.
      Just vote YES next time

    387. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      Aye, another Tory Brexit promise binned as you say @Thepnr at 7:34 pm

      “Scottish Fishermen fooled again, will they ever learn? UK abandons bid for immediate return of fisheries control after Brexit”

      https://archive.is/LSoum

      Norn Irn’s BritNat Bertie Armstrong was never going to protect Scotland’s fishermen and our fishing industry.

      He has always been a “Union at all cost” BritNat lickspittle.

      We all tried to tellthe fishers and farmers in Indy, EU Refs and Holyrood election in 2016, they swallowed BritNat bullshit and voted accordingly.

      http://archive.is/zC4pr

      Think a fair few voters in ‘The Blue Corner’ of Scotland and the Borders are starting to wake up to the fact they are just UKOK collateral damage to the Tory ‘unlucky 13’ yet?

    388. Valerie says:

      Channel hopping, and caught a wee excerpt on RT about the vote in Russia.

      140,000 election observers. Really interesting listening to a selection of them. None of them observed anything to report.

      One French observer said he noted a couple of things better than France!!

    389. Chick McGregor says:

      Quite a reasoned debate here, with the exception of the Britnat panelist calling Putin a skunk and a thug and the chairlady cutting off the Russian panelist a couple of times.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUA1SnaX88FFgyevCuSg27gA&time_continue=1615&v=Zfk7pEALor4

    390. Wullie B says:

      Jockanese wind talker and Thepnr, as I posted last night regarding the fishing selling out, fishermen on Fishing onwards to Brexit, Fishing for leave and Fishing News web pages are all beeling at the news, yet man John Buchan that good Rev had an article about. Lat night is still trying to rally the troops saying that the CFP would be withdrawn from next year all down to Britain leaving with a no deal, the man is deluded and doesn’t realise the industry that was linked with what is wrong with the EU has been used once again by the Tories for their own needs, quite funny really when the few independence supporting fishermen/ ex fishermen told then the industry was still seen as expendable by Westminster and all you got in reply was “They wouldn’t dare, it will bring down the government” rather humorous when you tell them they have been caught hook line and sinker and being the toddler they are soon thrown back into the pond

    391. Robert Peffers says:

      @Highland Wifie says: 18 March, 2018 at 6:30 pm:

      ” … your post raises an uncomfortable question for me. When I get to the ripe old age of 75 (about a dozen years away) will I start watching again on the basis that it’s free?”

      Well, Highland Wifie, strange as it seems my late wife was a great film buff and just about the only thing she watched was old Hollywood classics that I used to download from the net and record onto DVD or Blue-ray Disks for her and just about the only other thing she watched were some of the soaps.

      Anyway, after she died the licence was paid by standing order and I never got round to cancelling it until I was 75 and had to be bothered with changing things to suit.

      I honestly couldn’t be bothered with the hassle and just never bothered except for cancelling the standing order. I rarely watched TV anyway. So, Of course the beggaring letters started, “Please send us some money. The BBC needs your cash and if you don’t we will send round the boys to, “investigate”, you and fine you up to £1,000 and you will still have to buy a TV licence.

      So I went on line and informed them I was now over 75 so entitled to a free licence but to never mind as I don’t watch your trash anyway.

      The begging letters stopped – then soon began again and I ignored them. I now have a very thick batch of solid evidence that the BBC is stalking and harassing an OAP and threatening him with legal action. And that, under Scots law, is coercion and Scots law specifically states that the threat of legal action to extort money is illegal.

      Now here’s the daft point of this whole idiotic episode – I’m now well into my 80s and I have a CCTV system installed on my cottage. It triggers if anyone enters the property and is recorded on a rewritable DVD. No BBC investigators have called in all those years they have been threatening me with investigations and £1,000 fines.

      In fact the only stranger I didn’t know and ever recorded on that disc was a vixen who used to come out of Loch Ore Country Park, go through my garden and head through the field towards the village. Only to do the same in reverse with the remnants of a cairie oot she had raided a local ship shop bin for to feed her litter.

      Never see her now as the council passed plans for housing in what used to be good farm fields and brought the village down to by rear fence.

      A friend who lives in that scheme told me the fox now uses the streets and paved paths as these have no fences to jump when she goes for her supper to the cairie oot.

    392. Chick McGregor says:

      I thought more would be being made of the fact that the VX nerve agent used to kill Kim Jong-nam, Kim Jong-un’s brother, was developed by British scientists at Porton Down.

    393. Reluctant Nationalist says:

      Breeks @ 5.08

      I find it much more interesting how the Atlantic bridge seems to be such an efficient means of travel. But it is only one-way, of course. The USA expel lots of Russian diplomats under the excuse of a story most of the population do not find any credibility in; then, a few months later in Britain…

      Fucking pathetic.

    394. Rock says:

      Dr Jim says:
      12 March, 2018 at 8:56 pm (A historic breakthrough):

      “The First Minister should have kept her mouth firmly shut on Russia and I don’t usually disagree with her on much but I believe her to be way wrong on this one”

      Dr Jim,

      “No one has proved the Russians did anything yet, it still could have been me with a tin of oven cleaner
      The FMs statement included the words “On the information I have been told” which means if the UK have lied or mislead, Scotlands FM was also mislead by the UK Guv

      Once again folk like to misquote or cherry pick what’s said to make their lies plausible

      Scotlands FM never lies because if she did it would be on the front page of every newspaper and on TV for months and the opposition would never shut up about it squealing for her resignation and Ruth Davidson would be camped out in Jackie Burds chair to deliver the news nightly”

      Dr Jim says:
      17 March, 2018 at 10:13 pm (The usual suspect)

      “Our beloved First Minister Nicola Sturgeon (blessings be upon her)”

      “Misquote or cherry pick”?

      Your exact words are there for everyone to see.

      Not everyone has such blind faith in Nicola as you do.

      If blind faith in religion is bad, blind faith in politicians is worse.

    395. heedtracker says:

      Russian big money’s probably leaving taxhaven tory teamGB now. Gangster states tend not to want to pay tax, anywhere. Its kind of the whole point of being a gangster.

      http://mollymep.org.uk/2018/03/14/ep-votes-to-block-tax-haven-britain/

    396. Rock says:

      Ken500,

      “Skrip was a Westminster spy – double agent who caused the death of millions of people with his double dealings for money.”

      The first part of your sentence is true, the second is fake news.

      Overall, 10% of what you post is true, 50% is waffle and rants, 40% is fake news, in my humble opinion.

    397. K1 says:

      Thanks for link Legerwood, yes also saw about Ch4 doc…quite looking forward to seeing his (Nix) pompous arrogance exposed, apparently they are/have trying/tried to stop it being aired…must be quite an indictment if they are that worried.

      Such a bunch of liars aren’t they all? They get away with it for the most part though and that’s our mission, to disavow the liars and show them up for what they are. Fishing comes to mind too in that regard…I mean how can people vote for Tories or believe a word they say about anything?

      Sigh…we’re nearly there hopefully.

    398. heedtracker says:

      If blind faith in religion is bad, blind faith in politicians is worse.

      Religions are blind faith Rock. Its their whole point you zoomer.

      Considering the rolling cult of Strong and Stable Mrs May, built around one of the worst PM’s ever, by our repellent lick spittle BBC led media, at the worst possible time, you are a very funny chap sometimes Rock.

      Bring back your new Bessie and fellow zoomer indy2:D

    399. Capella says:

      @ Valerie – BBC have been watching a completely different election. Ballot boxes stuffed, people prevented form voting, others bussed in and forced to vote etc etc.

      Impartially delivering the verdict:
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43452449

    400. Rock says:

      Dr Jim,

      “Sky news Niall Patterson practically screaming at some poor Labour guy that if they didn’t support Theresa May then they were all *Tractors* when all the guy was saying was as yet nothing’s proven conclusively”

      The Labour guy must have more guts then our Nicola.

    401. Rock says:

      Robert Peffers,

      “Then he goes on to enquire why I haven’t written a book on History. The first reason is that there are several, academically highly qualified historians, who specialise in Scottish history who have written history books.”

      So by your own admission, your verbal diarrhoea here is basically stolen from guys cleverer than yourself.

      I am sure the smarter posters here are perfectly capable of finding the information they want from the internet without you disrupting and contaminating every WOS thread with your verbal diarrhoea.

      For the more stupid posters, why don’t you start your own blog to flog your plagiarised knowledge?

      Why did you not answer that question?

      Rock (13th April 2017 – “Anywhere but Scotland”):

      “Why hasn’t Robert Peffers, Scotland’s greatest legal and historical expert of all time, not written a book on the subject?

      Is it out of fear that he would be prosecuted for plagiarism?”

    402. Robert Peffers says:

      @Scot Finlayson says: 18 March, 2018 at 7:08 pm:

      “Tried to explain the Broadcast Tax to a pro Independence site that are doing good work trying to set up an alternative to the State run BBC,
      they have been allowed to broadcast FMQ`s and i got the impression that they thought you didn`t need a `BBC licence`
      to watch their broadcast,”

      You may have stumbled upon a loop=hole in the law there, Scot, and I don’t know the answer.

      It most certainly is illegal to watch live broadcasts on any medium but now you mention it I cannot remember reading that it was illegal to broadcast it in-line but it certainly requires a broadcast licence to broadcast anything on the airwaves. However I assume it is for Westminster never misses a chance to screw money out of folks.

    403. Reluctant Nationalist says:

      Rock: “If blind faith in religion is bad, blind faith in politicians is worse.”

      Of course, absolutely. And it’s also highly repellant to the lucid who witness it. Whether Jim is one of the earnest sycophants, or one who knows this deification is a repellant, your guess is as good as mine.

    404. Legerwood says:

      K1 @ 9.36pm

      I watched most of the Committee session where Mr Nix was giving evidence – Scott Finlayson gave the link further up the thread.

      At first I thought he was going to run rings round the committee but I have to say that they gave him a bit of a grilling and seemed better prepared than he clearly expected them to be.

      Tomorrow’s CH4 news should be interesting

    405. Rock says:

      Robert Peffers,

      “Then we have Rock, who is apparently attempting to base entire repeated personal bullying attacks on me, and others, upon his claims I am a, “verbal”, bully and those sticking to topic are control freaks.”

      In addition to being an aggressive verbal bully here and almost certainly a nasty person in real life, you are also a liar.

      When have I ever said anything about “those sticking to topic are control freaks”?

      A tiny fraction of your verbally aggressive posts:

      Robert Peffers says:
      12 March, 2018 at 2:10 pm (A historic breakthrough):

      “Absolute and utter pish! Squirrel.”

      Robert Peffers says:
      12 March, 2018 at 11:44 pm (A historic breakthrough):

      “Oh! Go and do some research before mouthing off, Valerie.”

      Robert Peffers says:
      13 March, 2018 at 3:05 pm (A historic breakthrough):

      “Sheesh! Where do these uninformed numpties come from?”

      I can quote hundreds more of your verbally aggressive posts.

      And your racist and homophobic ones.

      You are almost certainly a nasty person in real life.

    406. heedtracker says:

      You are almost certainly a nasty person in real life

      Rock what has all that got to do with Scottish politics and our ghastly neo fascist media?

    407. Fred says:

      The new Scottish Polar Bear cub is now the British Polar Bear cub in Scotland on the box!

    408. kinters says:

      Ian Blackford SNP MP was on the Peston show today and was asked if he was 100% behind Treeza May?

      He obediently nodded his head and answered Yes. Near the end of his interview,,which was all about Russia Bad,,you can hear him say to Peston,” You would not be allowed to say that on Russian TV”. I immediately thought that Alex Salmond would probably beg to differ with you on that one Ian.

      I am not convinced with Ian Blackford as leader at Westminster. He wastes his questions at PMQs and just doesn’t fill me with hope.

      He is vastly overweight,,and comes across as a bit of a landowner type.

      It’s hard to put into words what I am thinking but I think you get the general point I am trying to make.

      We need somebody with a lot more fight in their belly to lead us at Westminster.

      And for me the jury is still well and truly out on Mr Blackford.

    409. Rock says:

      PacMan,

      “Lets get once thing straight, Nicola Sturgeon isn’t making any assertions. As you pointed out, she and her advisers don’t have the capability over the evidence to make a decision. All she is saying is based on the information given to her by a third party she is siding with the status-quo.”

      It is very “straight” to ordinary “plebs” like myself that Nicola and the SNP have stood “shoulder to shoulder” with Saint Theresa in condemning Russia.

      The vast majority of the population is made up of ordinary “plebs”, not Establishment lawyers like Nicola who can use finely tuned language so as not to incriminate themselves.

      Nicola and the SNP made utter fools of themselves by supporting Saint Theresa, in my humble opinion.

    410. Liz g says:

      Kinters @ 10.13
      Well commenting on someone’s ability using their weight and type,almost every woman will get THAT…..Whits yer point?

    411. Thepnr says:

      Barely one week ago on the Scottish Fishermen’s Federation was this “news” article:

      https://archive.is/DbULE

      Fishermen’s leaders today welcomed the commitment from two senior cabinet ministers and the leader of the Conservatives in Scotland to leaving the Common Fisheries Policy in March 2019…

      SFF chief executive Bertie Armstrong said: “As our own polling shows, Brexit presents a huge opportunity for the fishing industry, which leavers and remainers alike have urged ministers to seize.

      “The challenge now is to turn aspiration into action. The government must reject out of hand the EU’s stated intention to deny the UK control of its own seas…

      The industry red lines are:

      Immediate exit from the CFP, ensuring EU does not have the right to grant access and set fishing opportunity and management rules within UK waters during the implementation period.

      Then leaving it all down to the Tories they voted in while ousting Alex Salmond and Angus Robertson of the SNP. This is what they got:

      UK drops bid for instant return of fisheries control

      Plans to take back control of UK fisheries the moment Britain leaves the EU appear to have been abandoned in the face of united EU opposition

      https://archive.is/6PDW3

      Will they ever learn?

    412. yesindyref2 says:

      That’s an anagram of stinker.

    413. Rock says:

      heedtracker,

      “Rock what has all that got to do with Scottish politics and our ghastly neo fascist media?”

      Guardian reader with a Slovene (ex-)girlfriend, I am only pointing out that the greatest pretendy, plagiarisng legal expert in Scotland of all time is almost certainly a nasty person in real life who uses aggressive language against posters who have different views than his own. For examples, you can see above.

      Ken500 also uses bad language against posters who disagree with his (and your) beloved “first-past-the-post” voting system, but I don’t for a moment think that he is a nasty person.

      And you are living proof that not all people in Scotland are stupid.

    414. heedtracker says:

      Liz g says:
      18 March, 2018 at 10:25 pm
      Kinters @ 10.13
      Well commenting on someone’s ability using their weight and type,almost every woman will get THAT…..Whits yer point?

      Think he’s reaching out to Rock with his usual, YES Scots are just a bunch of a holes with blind faith, religious faith even.

      Right Kinters;-)

      Rock gets it but he’s probably popped down to the mess for his supper. Cant the great UK civil service get you a tablet Rock?

    415. Hamish100 says:

      Re fisheries

      Cmon Bertie – just this once say “no surrender”

      Tory fisher folk – you are expendable. Good bye!

      Vote for independence from London and Londonderry

    416. Clootie says:

      @Rock

      …take a deep breath, pause, think and now post!

    417. Capella says:

      Ruth Davidson demanding that the uK close down RT and Sputnik. Alex Salmond should be ashaed of himself, blah blah.
      From Stu’s twitter:
      https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/975500805309689859

      Of course, we would then not be able to hear John Pilger’s take on the Salisbury poisoning. He’s a real journalist. We would be stuck with the BBC and Ruth Davidson.
      Orwellian dystopia!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxRiG8vRRBk&feature=youtu.be

    418. Hamish100 says:

      Rock is a pleb

      Says rock. The FM is smarter. Agreed.

      Past your bed time rock you normally only do a 2 hr shift max.

    419. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      It’s “interesting” that a poster or one on here is so blinkered that he/she cannot understand the wider picture of international diplomacy/politics.

      “Catchee monkey” comes to mind…

    420. Dr Jim says:

      For the benefit of nobody:

      There used to be Socialists and Tories and a few Liberals but since the SNP have won everything and Independence is on the way we now have Socialist Tories
      That’s the breed who might want independence if they’re in charge but if they think they’ll not be in charge then they vote Tory to stop the SNP being in charge

      In essence Socialist Tories have such a poor case to argue for themselves on being in charge of anything they only care about destroying the country they can’t rule

      Who would have thought the Labour party could turn into people like that

    421. heedtracker says:

      Capella says:
      18 March, 2018 at 10:44 pm
      Ruth Davidson demanding that the uK close down RT and Sputnik. Alex Salmond should be ashaed of himself, blah blah.
      From Stu’s twitter

      Freedom of the press is sacrosanct! So lets close some down, especially the ones with Alex Salmondski on.

      Cant beat a big chunk of late night hard core Colonel Ruth neo fascism.

      Are all Western democracy’s, other than the US and whatever the UK is meant to be, also plagued by hard core right wing zoomers and chancers, ranging from the Colonel, via Murdoch, to massed ranks of beeb gimps?

      Italy maybe. That’s about it really.

      Bojo says the EU must now help the UK with their war on Russia, despite all planet toryboy and the whole beeb gimp network endlessly explaining in 2016 how the EU was on the brink of collapse, like dominoes.

    422. Proud Cybernat says:

      O/T

      Not sure if this has been posted but after this week’s vote in the EU parliament, a hard as a really really hard thing Brexity is simply a MUST:

      http://mollymep.org.uk/2018/03/14/ep-votes-to-block-tax-haven-britain/

      Moggie & Co will NEVER accept this.

    423. kinters says:

      liz g 10.25pm

      Kinters @ 10.13
      Well commenting on someone’s ability using their weight and type,almost every woman will get THAT…..Whits yer point?

      Did you read my whole post liz g.??? The point I was making is in the post.

      And don’t be so fuckin cheeky ya greetin faced bastard.

      I was on commenting on what I observed today.

      Don’t talk to me like that again ya fuckin slut.

    424. yesindyref2 says:

      Time for rock to put a cork in it, anagramatically anatomically speaking.

    425. Rock says:

      Unlike Nicola, Corbyn has shown real guts in the poisoned British spy episode.

      After the hysteria has died down and British lies exposed, he will be the real winner.

      Nicola has been tainted by opportunistically standing “shoulder to shoulder” with Saint Theresa in condemning Russia.

      Corbyn had the same access to the dodgy “sexed up” dossier as Nicola did, but rightly didn’t jump onto the lying bandwagon.

      Everyone and their dog knows that the Russian state had nothing to do with this.

      Does Nicola not realise that all this is to prevent an independence referendum before Brexit has been completed and allows Saint Theresa to get away without having to give a Section 30 response?

      If blind faith in religion is bad, blind faith in politicians is worse.

    426. Meg merrilees says:

      Chick McGregor

      Thanks for the link to QT from Dover.

      Having not watched one for a while, I had a few points:

      Dumblebore is still too opinionated and interrupts too much, he certainly didn’t give Afshan Ratannsi much chance to speak and infuriatingly cut off Mairead when she was speaking very knowledgeably on certain topics. Thought she handled him brilliantly.

      I wish she had been part of the Brexit debate before the EU referendum, although I doubt if she would have been listened to as things were at fever pitch then.

      I think the biggest difference is in the audience attitude. What has happened to the braying pro-brexit mob? Dover is certainly on the front line as one of the main points of entry and stands to be most affected by border and customs changes but it seemed to me that a substantial percentage of the audience has swung round to ‘remain’ and cancelling brexit.

      Mairead is being listened to now because
      a-she speaks so eloquently and sincerely,
      b-people want to understand what are the main issues
      c-she tells it as it is.
      A great contribution to the show.

      Didn’t feel that Afshin Rattansi was able to make as strong an impression as he is capable of and Brian Cox was good, but we have to come away from party loyalties now and get real. This is about people’s lives and global co-operation and WM is creating one heck of a mess.

    427. kinters says:

      The point I was making about Ian Blackford was a perfectly legitimate one.

      I don’t think he should be leader of the SNP at Westminster.

      I think he is overweight and very underwhelming.

      Then this liz g decides to attack me for it.

      As I said before,,Wings is full of little control freaks these days.

      Little Hitlers

      This site belongs to Rev Stu

      Some of you seem to forget that point.

    428. Capella says:

      @ Liz g – email Stu using the Contact button and let him know about that appalling comment at 11.05. That is out of order. Get mad AND get even.

    429. heedtracker says:

      As I said before,,Wings is full of little control freaks these days.

      Little Hitlers

      Come back indy2.

    430. crazycat says:

      @ Liz g

      Yes, please do do what Capella suggests.

    431. Meg merrilees says:

      Wow, Kinters and others on this site,

      May I politely remind you of the Rev’s guidance to people posting on this website:

      …. by all means disagree, by all means disagree forcefully – but argue with people’s views, don’t insult them personally.

      You’ll find the guidance at the top of the website page, click on ‘About us’ and scroll down till you reach ‘Etiquette and Formatting’ and it is point Number 2.

    432. Thepnr says:

      @kinters

      Maybe you need to learn some control, looks like you totally lost the plot there.

    433. Chick McGregor says:

      Meg,
      Ooops.
      I screwed up. The link is correct but you need to quickly jump back to the start of it before QT starts, which must be the next video in the list.

      It is a a recent Dateline London debate.

      Sorry ’bout that.

    434. yesindyref2 says:

      That’ll certainly have Moggy looking to find Molly!

    435. Rock says:

      The smarter readers of this blog will have noticed that the usual suspects have not dared to counter a single point I have made.

      With the exception of the Guardian reader with a Slovene (ex-)girlfriend who is living proof that not all people in Scotland are stupid.

      If the usual suspects think I am a “troll”, who pays them to respond to my posts?

      The great pretendy expert Robert Peffers knows about everything I post without actually reading my posts.

      Robert Peffers, (15th March – 2018-03-15 Spinning down):

      “I wouldn’t know. I never read what he posts except someone else is quoting him or, like tonight,(oop! last night), when I read the last line in one of his posts and nearly choked laughing but I’ve no idea what he posted except for that last line.”

    436. Indy2 says:

      Heedy Peffers liz g yesindyref2 Capella and their gang are wanting to turn Wings into their own personal wee chat room.

      They will not tolerate differing opinions on anything.

      They will be changing the Wings Logo to a Swastika shortly.

      liz g you were right out of order.

      Kinters made a perfectly legit comment.

      IMHO

    437. Meg merrilees says:

      Thanks Chick, I was settling down to listen to the Dateline London debate but was well pleased to listen to QT instead since I hand’t managed to find that online t’other day either.

      Will catch the dateline interview tomorrow. Heading off now.

    438. Rock says:

      The great pretendy expert Robert Peffers knows about everything I post without actually reading my posts.

      Robert Peffers, (15th March – 2018-03-15 Spinning down):

      “I wouldn’t know. I never read what he posts except someone else is quoting him or, like tonight,(oop! last night), when I read the last line in one of his posts and nearly choked laughing but I’ve no idea what he posted except for that last line.”

      Robert Peffers says:
      18 March, 2018 at 12:30 pm

      “Then we have Rock, who is apparently attempting to base entire repeated personal bullying attacks on me, and others, upon his claims I am a, “verbal”, bully and those sticking to topic are control freaks.”

      “Then he goes on to enquire why I haven’t written a book on History.”

    439. heedtracker says:

      Yay indy2’s till up.

      I think its pretty balance btl indy2, there’s you and Kinters and Rock, all being on topic lovely.

      What a coincidence:D

      Something’s certainly spooked you guys lately but no idea what it might be.

    440. frogesque says:

      Aye Richt!
      We’ve been hijacked again.

      O/t for anyone with clear skies, especially in Northern Scotland, there are some nice pics doing the rounds of tonight’s aurora. Worth a look outside.

    441. Gary45% says:

      kinters @11.05.

      Apart from Stu getting the “big stick oot” to police the site, “sorry man your tone was out of order”.
      We all get riled from time to time, that language directed at fellow wingers!!! take a long look at yourself.
      This is just my personal opinion.

    442. yesindyref2 says:

      stinker kinters = Indy2. Same MO, CO and KP duty.

    443. geeo says:

      The more desperate the britnats get, the more they shame themselves.

      I blame their abusive parents..

    444. mike cassidy says:

      I am the smartest person that reads this blog –

      and none of the trolls could make a point with a sharpened pencil

    445. auld highlander says:

      Thanks frofesque, just took a look out and it’s just visible on the horizon. According to the Aurora website it will be better about 00.40 ish.

    446. Robert Peffers says:

      @kinters says: 18 March, 2018 at 11:05 pm:

      “And don’t be so fuckin cheeky ya greetin faced bastard.
      I was on commenting on what I observed today.
      Don’t talk to me like that again ya fuckin slut.”

      Oooh! Rock Kinters (cough!), has lost it entirely. Reverted to type and it sure as hell is way below the previous lowest of the low. In fact it may by time to call upon Police Scotland for that is illegal abuse on several different levels.

    447. Rock says:

      Robert Peffers,

      “Oooh! Rock Kinters (cough!), has lost it entirely. Reverted to type and it sure as hell is way below the previous lowest of the low. In fact it may by time to call upon Police Scotland for that is illegal abuse on several different levels.”

      I see that the aggressive verbal bully, liar, coward and almost certainly a nasty person in real life, cannot counter a single point I have made so resorts to associating me with another poster who has nothing to do with me.

      Robert Peffers is also a racist:

      Robert Peffers, (18th February 2017 – “Here comes a surprise”):

      “The fact is that a little common sense will show that the immigrants mainly come to find work. Elderly English cadgers excepted, these who sell up expensive city homes for cheaper, or better, Scottish accommodation, free bus passes and the benefits of such as free prescriptions, care at home and cheaper Council Tax. These are often the ones most prone to call scots subsidy junkies.”

      And a homophobe as well, but I will leave that quote for another time.

    448. Robert Peffers says:

      @Thepnr says: 18 March, 2018 at 11:19 pm:

      “@kinters
      Maybe you need to learn some control, looks like you totally lost the plot there.”

      @’Fraid not, Thepnr, he/she/it needs charged with abuse and you will note these people all arrive on Wings around the same time, they all have no other theme than hyper-critical accusations and each and every one of them has the same, or very similar style and agenda.

      While accusing others of being bullies they very soon begin to bully anyone who has the temerity to oppose them and nary a one of them has the faintest idea of civilised debate nor of basic logical argument.

      Not to mention that each and every one of them uses a false name that cannot even impart the sex of the commenter. I believe, (perhaps wrongly), they are different manifestations of one, or at most two, people acting in concert but this one has just stepped over the line of common decency – time to call in the Law – or at very lease the owner of this blog..

    449. Liz g says:

      Capella @ 11.15 & Crazycat @ 11.17
      Sent off a message tae the Rev….not sure it will go thru though, the e-mail address I post on here doesn’t seem to work anywhere else….we’ll see!
      …. ………
      Meg Merrilee’s @ 11.17
      It’s all very well having those guidelines… trouble is not everyone will understand what they mean…. but in the meantime while the post stays up….. he will just have to take what I feel like giving out….and I do understand the rule’s.
      ……………..
      Robert Peffers @ 12.15
      That’s good tae know Robert….. are ye able, if ye don’t mind,to screen grab that fur me…
      Can they get the IP address?….. Mibbi we will get an identity after all!

    450. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Dr Jim at 10:51 pm.

      You typed,
      “For the benefit of nobody:

      There used to be Socialists and Tories and a few Liberals but since the SNP have won everything and Independence is on the way we now have Socialist Tories
      That’s the breed who might want independence if they’re in charge but if they think they’ll not be in charge then they vote Tory to stop the SNP being in charge”

      And that’s what most political non-anoraks (ie “the ordinary people”) just haven’t got yet. It’s up to us to open their eyes.

    451. Rock says:

      Liz g doesn’t use abusive language against other posters:

      Liz g (26th February – “The tunes of glory”):

      “If I’m right and Rock does have Narcissistic Personality Disorder,he won’t even see or accept how off colour goading a recently bereaved father is.”

      Liz g (28th November 2017 – “The National FAQ”):

      “Craig was complaining the other day that Petra was being encouraged to do exactly that and contact the Rev.
      That time the Crock was whining that it was Reporting to “Teacher”…”

      As for “recently bereaved father”:

      Robert Peffers says:
      25 February, 2018 at 8:20 pm (The tunes of glory)

      ““Hope you’re doing ok Robert”

      Well not really, it’s going to take a very long time to get over this particular sad setback.”

      Robert Peffers says:
      25 February, 2018 at 9:23 pm (The tunes of glory)

      “Now please Wingers, nobody tell Rock about this wee web link when he clocks on tonight.

      It might upset him and we cannot have that now – can we?

      Well can we?”

      What sort of recently bereaved father would make posts like this, a couple of days after a sad bereavement?

    452. Liz g says:

      Meg Merrilee’s
      My 12.36 response to your 11.15 post…
      I rest my case LOL

    453. yesindyref2 says:

      @Liz g
      Presuming the Rev keeps logs of all posts on his server, which is wise and almost certainly the default for his wordpress installation, the IP address can be got from there. It might be static traceable to an individual, company or organisation, or dynamic. But an ISP or organisation will allocate the dynamic IP from a pool and also have records of the origin which will trace back to an individual or user.

      The police in the UK can get access through the ISP, probably without a court order, but so can private individuals with a court order. ISPs are obliged by law to keep the logs for at least 6 months, so if the logs autorotate the cycle would need to be long enough or separately controlled to facilitate this. Many successful prosecutions have been made.

      This is for Australia, but gives a good idea – ‘tinternet is same the world over, basically!

      https://www.investigators.net.au/blog/post/how-to-trace-an-ip-address/

    454. Reluctant Nationalist says:

      Hello, is that the police? Someone called me a ‘fucking slut’. *sob*

      www,youtube.com/watch?v=VHCdl1_uUA0

    455. Dr Jim says:

      Listen up folks please please stop replying to these people
      this is a direct attempt to get this site shut down by filling it up with badness and just not what the Rev needs, and it’s not what we need right now

      Please please stop engaging, it’s not about you it’s about the existence of Wings Over Scotland and the money everyone puts in to keep this site going for all of us and the readers around the world

      Don’t let them down

    456. yesindyref2 says:

      @Dr Jim
      Indeed, but there’s a few of us should also read those last 2 links I posted, not you of course! The difference between happening on the street, and on any form of social media, it seems to me, is that it’s hard to prove what happened face to face.

    457. Reluctant Nationalist says:

      I’m sure Stu can speak for himself, Jim.

      Indyref – I’ve looked at category 4, and much like Stu’s defamation fandango with Duggie, it would have to be proved that there were adverse consequences as a result of the ‘communication’. I’m sure that a good little obsequious boy like you would squeal with delight if ‘hurt feelings’ counted as one of those consequences, but I reckon it doesn’t.

      Cunt.

    458. yesindyref2 says:

      @Dr Jim
      The other thing of course is that the trolls will try to provoke us into responding in a like manner to discredit the forum – and ourselves. But their futile efforts can easily be highlighted in indirect ways, so the unaware reader will know clearly what their game is.

      The good news is that with the huge success of Rev’s fundraiser, well over £100,000 so far, not only paying him for his time and his server, but 1 million updated wee black books which the unionists fear, plus perhaps the odd poll, it’s clear that previous quite pathetic and boringly repetitive efforts have been unsuccessful, hence the current desperate escalation by the, frankly, totally incompetent

    459. Ghillie says:

      Proud Cybernat @ 11.01 pm

      Thank you for that link re EU’s stance on tax avoidance =)

      And trade deals = no dodgy money laundering LOL.

      I always thought that Westminster’s real reason for Brexit was to avoid these new laws that would so hamper the tax havens of the wealthy and elite. Oh dear. Out maneuvered.

      Looks like the EU are busy playing 4 Dimensional Chess while Westminster are struggling to line up their Tiddlywinks 🙂

    460. Bob Mack says:

      Of course Kinters is an anagram of STINKER. Exactly what he or she is. Mono brow. Bet your wife has a good life eh?

    461. Hamish100 says:

      Rock,

      Nasty mean little comments

      Maybe it was past your bed time and you were tired. 2hr session with a bit of OT thrown in. Enjoy your sleep. See you at 8pm again!

    462. Nana says:

      UK anti-obesity drive at risk from new US trade deal, doctors warn
      http://archive.is/7zelx

      http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-5511423/The-hunt-Toys-R-missing-millions.html

      Jacob Rees-Mogg’s firm invested in a blacklisted Russian bank. Sberbank is subject to sanctions by the US and EU (Reg. 833/2014.) The sanctions are for bombing civilians in Syria, hacking elections, murdering people aboard holiday jets or on our streets is unacceptable.
      https://twitter.com/georgescircus/status/975411006234157056

      UK aerospace industry could be priced out after Brexit – lawmakers
      http://archive.is/Pz7FH

    463. Macart says:

      Ooooo links. Ta Nana. 🙂

      Good weekend?

    464. Nana says:

      Good morning Macart, it was nice catching up with friends but not so nice having to come back to the household chores 🙁

      One more link before I tackle the washing up.

      A bleating liar
      http://archive.is/HOwfL

    465. William Wallace says:

      Thank you for the links Nana.

      @Kinters. You need to get a grip o yirsel. If you talked to any lassie the way you have to Liz in front o my kind o folk, you’d get your balls booted ya cheeky wee c***.

      @Indy. Drop the victim complex iy. It’s boring, pathetic and childlike. Grow up.

      @Rock. You boy are getting creepy as f*** with the historic quoting in order to try and score points. It’s proper weirdo behaviour. Sort yourself out eh.

      Good morning to the rest of you who are having to put up with this nonsense every night. 😉 Hope everyone is keeping well.

    466. Macart says:

      @Nana

      ‘Radical and relevant’ the Libdems…. hahahahahahahahahaha… and breathe… hahahahahahaha.

      Oh Gawd! I needed that. And coming from that epic fibber Carmichael. Oh jeez! 😀 LOLMAGEDDON

    467. Cactus says:

      @excellent pubs of Scotland ~

      See how yous all had loads of our blue n white flags upon your windows for the international rugby…

      Any chance you could keep yer blue n white flags up permanently?

      See Glasgow’s ‘The Islay Inn’ on Argyle Street (next to the KG).

      A saltire is not just for Chri sport, it’s for life.

      X for life.

    468. Nana says:

      Good morning William, you are welcome.

    469. kinters says:

      William Wallace 8.18am

      Did you need to butt into something that did not concern you.?

      When you do what you done, you either come across as a Knight in Shining Armour,,,or a Total Wanker.

      I’m afraid in your case pal, the Total Wanker wins it.

      Mind yer ain business wee man.

    470. Nana says:

      @Macart

      I reckon my neighbours heard me guffawing this morning, comedy gold so it is hahahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    471. William Wallace says:

      @ Kinters.

      I could not give a shite what you think of me you daft wee laddie. Liz is one of the nice posters here and you have got no right to talk to her in that way.

      Never mind aboot me “minding my ain business” either when you made the comments on a public forum in the first place. You are now being challenged on it publicly and you owe Liz an apology. Be a man and dae it iy.

    472. Cactus says:

      Have yourselves another look at ‘The Usual Suspect’ above.

      Is she up to her oxters, buried in the deep snow.

      International rescue not available T.

      Da, ha ha ha!

    473. Macart says:

      Posted this yesterday, but probably worth posting again.

      One way or another this is going to be a fairly important year for Scotland’s population. There is a lot going on in political and legal circles people aren’t privvy to and won’t understand the necessity of.

      Political types best be aware though, that doesn’t make the public stupid. A little explanation can go a long way for people who aren’t anoraks, but who do feel anxious or afraid. THIS is where the msm and establishment parties find fertile ground.

      Ignorance is their friend as we’ve seen time and again. They use people’s lack of knowledge on constitutional law, the Scotland bill settlement, devolved and reserved issues, the Barnett formula to basically make shit up. Like chimps on a sugar rush they chuck pooh in all directions knowing some will stick and become a set myth. They have a media only too willing to disseminate or back their guff up and the popular saturation to spread it far and wide.

      Not everyone is interested in politics or will be engaged by it. Sites like this are the only balance and representation near half of Scotland’s population are allowed. They are too valuable a resource and with all their power and wealth the establishment are still fearful of them and would step on each and every one given half a chance. They would, without question, deny folks even this route to representation and self expression. Sites like this cut through the wonk speak and translate for folk like us to understand plainly, just what is going on.

      This year, of all years, with Brexit, austerity ideology, a central government set on deconstructing a devolution settlement IT created to suit its own ends. This year, we need to focus on keeping these lines of communication open ordinary folk like us.

      Without them we go back to the days of mushroom farming and sleepwalking toward that cliff edge.

    474. Clootie says:

      …so let me see if I’ve got this right ( Boris Johnson on Andrew Marr).

      The Russians have a secret base to produce and stockpile chemical weapons and Boris has just informed the Russians that we have a well placed informed source in that establishment who has been sending data to the British.

      If true I don’t fancy the sources chances of seeing the day out – Boris to blame.
      We have lost a valuable security source – Boris to blame
      If a lie – Boris to blame.

      Add the above to the access we have to polling station cameras on the day of elections the Russians are truly incompetent.

      We must also have a remarkable research team at our media stations in order to sift through the footage from thousands of hours of polling station footage flown directly from Russia that day in time for UK news slots.

      …it must just be me again!

    475. Nana says:

      Well said Macart.

    476. Clootie says:

      Russian polling station cameras.

      Last night our media highlighted film from a polling station describing someone moving balloons to block the view of the ballot box ( nudge,nudge must be up to no good)

      Those poor Russians have to resort to balloons BUT our media can get all the evidence from hundreds of polling stations and have clips ready the same day.

      This propaganda is just not credible. It is on a level with the Monty Python dead parrot sketch.

      …of course someone may have supplied our media with the clips but I suggest they are not Russian.

    477. Brian Powell says:

      Nana

      The Prospect magazine article highlights the catastrophe of Brexit. The UK won’t be allowed to have ‘higher standards’ than the EU if it wants to do deals with the US.

      Also very good to see you here again with real issues that affect us and useful info important for Ind. I’ve had to quickly scroll past so many trolling, irrelevant, ego trip conversations padding out the threads over the past while.

    478. Bill Hume says:

      Good morning Wingers, from a cold but sunny Ayrshire.
      Could the Trolls and those who engage with them please turn the volume down as some of us have to plan how to win the next independence referendum.

    479. Nana says:

      @Brian 9.24am

      I’ve been back for a while, just took the weekend off for a family bash. So check back for links you may have missed [there have been many lol.

    480. Famous15 says:

      I had a pal who could forecast the weather from arthritis pains.

      Myself I can forecast the success of the Independence campaign by feeling the pain of
      Trolls who write their agonised filth on this site.

      Things are going well.

    481. Does anyone know the result of the Russian presidential election ?

      I see in China Xi Jinping was elected to a second term with 100% of the vote on Saturday (March 17), days after the lifting of presidential term limits allowed him to stay in office indefinitely.

      he was also elected chairman of the state Central Military Commission (CMC), securing all 2,970 ballots cast at Saturday’s (March 17) meeting of the annual session of the National People’s Congress (NPC), or Parliament.

      Together with his re-election as Chinese Communist Party (CCP) general secretary and appointment as chairman of the party CMC last October, he has completed his hold on power over party and state,

      has the chimp in a suit fallen out with China yet ?

    482. Al Dossary says:

      Loud and clear Bill Hume.

      I will admit that my “ignore” list is growing daily it seems. I don’t even need to read beyond the second sentence to realize who the poster is most times – even with the latest round of saboteurs who have crawled out of whatever bridge they were hiding beneath.

      You really can smell the fear!



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