The greasy poll
A new Scottish Labour propaganda website called The Red Robin attracted some attention at the weekend by claiming that new polling had shown Labour closing the Westminster voting gap on the SNP to just 4 points.
To try to lend some credibility to this rather dubious assertion – the SNP’s average lead is currently around 15 points – it pointed out that the polling company’s owner was the Vice-Chair of the British Polling Council.
Readers would quite reasonably infer from that that Moonlight Research was a BPC member, and BPC rules state that if figures from a poll enter the public domain, the full data tables concerning those figures have to be released within 48 hours so that people can scrutinise them and ensure that the methodology (sample size, weighting, question wording etc) is fully up to scratch and above board.
So since the blog post is now five days old, we dropped Moonlight a line asking if we could see them, and quickly got an interesting reply.
We thought you’d like to know.
The Poll was taken in the Caird Hall last weekend
I’m not sure Labour would have polled as high as 30% in those circumstances.
Typical Labour, red and robbin’, baseless assertions.
Moonlight,moonbeams and zoomers.
I’m sure Cole Porter could have written a song about that.
Ha ha. So he’s literally moonlighting, i.e. operating outside hours and on his own terms at the behest of a particular interest-group.
Propaganda plain and simple. Just like this ‘Russian’ chemical weapon scam.
ROFL – bordering on some weird alternative universe for Labour in Scotland.
Can I predict something? I polled 3 people in my office on how Brexit was going – they all said different things, but 100% polled said ‘jaw dropping stupidity’ in their responses.
(never call them Scottish Labour, given there is no such entity).
Sounds like another Brit Nat lie to me.
Given that not data is or will be released for scrutiny , and the Blog is more than likely read by the true Labour faithful I’d suggest that the published Blog is merely to keep them on board, nothing else.
Who is going to be the first Labour chancer to rave on about these spurious figures?
A little confusing is nice. SLabour charlatans could also be described that way if you didn’t want to hurt feelings. Headline frontpage UK press in Scotland tomorrow though.
Sham political party “Scottish” Labour publish sham poll results, no real surprise there then.
Deluding yourself like this is plain stupid, again no surprise there either, just look at who they have elected as leader.
“Good research isn’t easy
But I can make your research or researchers better”
Our prestigious client includes the Labour party and many many others, what we’ve made better.
Call now and you’ll receive your personalised poll to make it look like your doing far better than you really are, and a free pen.
Well Red Robin is also a fictional superhero so why not continue on with the same fictional theme!
OH! Headshot, as the saying goes!
Great work Stu!
Bob, bob, bobbin’ along to the same tune as usual then.
Little Robin Red Breast
Sat upon their Laurels
A little poll they did behest
for Corbyn they did their best
Jumped with glee
claim gain on the SNP
Little Robin Red Breast
they’re not in the BPC
Ronin basturts.
I guess Labour felt that they needed a boost at their conference and this was all they had. The fact that the scheduled their main speeches for the Scotland game and the Old Firm game also shows that forward planning is not their strong suit either. Did anyone pay that event even a passing glance?
I take it you then asked if you could see the details anyway?
The north british branch remains a joke!
After listening to the laughter at Richard Leonard during FMQT today, I give him to the summer.
He is like a record, asking the Scottish Government to intervene in reserved matters, reserved matters he will not support the responsibility being made a matter of the Scottish Parliament.
I never thought I would say it, but Kezia is better than Richard!
[Male robins are noted for their highly aggressive territorial behaviour. They will fiercely attack other males and competitors that stray into their territories and have been observed attacking other small birds without apparent provocation. Such attacks sometimes lead to fatalities, accounting for up to 10% of adult robin deaths in some areas.]
That’s good to know.
OT when was an accused person not allowed to see the evidence against them I’m talking about the nerve gas scandal against Russia so Britain is going to give samples of it to there friends who will of course find in their favour,but no sample,to the accused justice British style by the way I held a poll on Scottish independence and got a 100 per cent yes vote I won’t tell you how many I aske or where I asked but I expect you to believe it is the oppinion of the whole of Scotland well I mean all the rest of the pollsters do
Red robin, yes Robin’s apparently steal other birds’ nests and are quite aggressive.
It looks like in this case the Robin is nestless however!
Question is, should this guy have even stated his vice chair job at the BPC, because it is very misleading and somewhat unethical imo, and certainly opportunistic. Very dubious. But then, the Labour party are just that, opportunists, very much to the detriment of Scotland.
It’s just another heads up that Scotland has been duped by Britnat Labour for a very long time. Keeping Scotland poor and begging, while enjoying a huge popularity and taking money from the people.
Just sickening really.
or as the title should read, ‘Labour’s polling shows it is doing really well.’
Reminds me of Blair McDougall during the last GE campaign where he says that ‘polling’ has put him in the lead but just to be sure of a win please send more cash. He came a distant third.
Thanks Labour for confirming that you are continuing to avoid the truth at all costs and present deluded unqualified garbage as fact.
Just been following the Rev’s twatter feed on FMQs and dear God! Both Conservative and Labour lead with questions on reserved matters.
What is the point of these people? Seriously.
Davidson banging on about Russia and RT which are defence and broadcasting related, then Leonard on employment law. Did we miss something throughout the Smith commission farce and subsequent Scotland Bill debates? Did we actually win the 2014 referendum and the past three years have been a Bobby Ewing moment?
Or is it more likely that our parliament opposition benches are full of half wits and folk who are being somewhat less than honest?
One of life’s mysteries.
The moment you are found lying is the moment you lose all trust. SLabour have not learnt that lesson and, consequently, they will continue to wallow in the political doldrums. They seem to have no clue that THE INTERNET EXISTS and EXPOSES THEIR LYING to hundreds of thousands of people in seconds.
And still they wonder why they languish in the polls. Because you’re a bunch of weapons-grade LYING COCKWOMBLES.
Aye – the blue Tories do it too but we EXPECT them to do it.
Moonlight = Yoon Shite
Is Nick Moon, Moon the Yoon?
Red Robin is BritNat Labour Propaganda championed by Common Space and other Old School SLaBbers.
The BritNats last hope seems to rest on:
1. Con Scots into thinking Labour care about Scotland and her people
2. Say that there is “no appetite for a 2nd Indy Ref” and push a Federal UK solution to the Constitutional Crisis
3. Publish “Now is not the time 10 Year Indy Plans” to try and push the Indy genie back into the bottle
They still don’t get it.
Labour had their chances and blew them when in Government at all levels in UK and Scotland.
They sold us out via “The Vow” and Smith.
There will be a Second Indy Ref, they know it and are frantically playing for time.
Anyone want a bet that we are about to see a huge surge in this type of “poll” by many other “polling organisations”and that the media will quote them ?…. Rev how about a little black book with a list of all the tricks that these cretins get up to when trying to boost their credibility and put down theirs. This could be used as a guide for spotting “fake news” or as I call it another ******* blatant unionist lie.
Haha, “the greasy poll,” so witty 😀
Weird that FMQs were not on the meeting over Brexit yesterday. That, one would think would be far more relevant to business in Holyrood this week. Leonard seems vague on what is and is not reserved and so far has failed to set the heather on fire. Davidson and the BBC seem to be focused on RT so I suppose it is no surprise that she used her question time to go into UK propaganda mode rather than deal with Scottish political matters.
PM Teresa and her BBC r4 news gimps are Russia bad funny tragic right now, as they run out of Russia bad superlatives, “its terrible that Russia should do this in such a remarkable city as this one,” announces Teresa.
Now its Corbyn’s fault, beeb gimp wise, for not backing Teresa enough, like them.
Near on two weeks now of Russia bad blanket BBC r4 vote tory gimp coverage, in every single BBC r4 Russia bad news show. How much longer, for ever probably.
link to twitter.com
Without any self awareness, BJ describing a post imperial, belittled, once great country, diminished, trying to assert itself on the world stage, but dont worry its not nuclear holocaust stage, “thank heavens” explain the toryboys.
OT (although its been mentioned already in this discussion) All this “outrage” at the supposed Russian involvement in a supposed attempted murder. Has it not be recently disclosed that British agents have been officially preforming illegal acts, the magnitude and severity of which will not be disclosed? Hypocrisy hardly covers it.
Look a squirrel!!!
In the words of the old song:
‘When the red, red robin comes bob, bob, bobbin’ along, along
There’ll be no more sobbin’ when he starts throbbin’ his old sweet song ‘
And reading below the headline, as Stu has taught us, it is technically true.
It is an old song and folk won’t be sobbing they’ll be screaming.
Re;Macart@1.07pm
It’s completely deliberate Macart. They are a) undermining the Scottish parliament, by attempting to fool the people, and b) deceiving those who have no idea about what is devolved to Scotland, and what is reserved to WMgov.
Their weapon right now is relying on ignorance. I had friends up from NE Eng at the weekend, they have no idea about devolved or reserved matters. It doesn’t matter, but in a way it does, because they are fed so many lies about Scotland by the bbc and daily rags including the daily dose of the Graun.
When I pointed out that immigration is not devolved they were quite shocked. ‘What Scotland has no say over that at all?’
Also no idea about the continuity bill or potential power grab. Sadly this is also the case among many people in Scotland.
The main and most important thing we need to get out to everyone in Scotland, is what devolution means, what is and is not devolved and of course what it will mean if the UKgov succeed at their power grab.
Devolution light won’t keep Scotland afloat for much longer as it is, it’s not working with so many Scottish unionist, British nationalist MP,s and MSP’s working against their actual own country and even their own parliament. It’s just ridiculous and incredibly dysfunctional in fact.
Independence, or years and years of this system that works against Scotland, that is the choice, and people need to get that reality into their heads.
Labour/tory/libdem all rely on fairytale politics, detracting from anything that is real, with 100% of UK so called media creating more fairytales by the day. It’s just freaking bizarre!
“As it only has 1 polling client, Moonlight doesn’t meet the Membership requirements [of the BPC]”
__________
Someone should tell the BPC:
link to britishpollingcouncil.org
OT Although mentioned a couple of times already Russia
dominates the news defence secretary Gavin Williamson said: “Frankly Russia should go away – it should shut up.” Very grown up. Whats he going to say next “or we’ll get our big brother to sort you out and he is bigger than your big brother” these people really make me want to puke they are either imature, ignorant of diplomacy, gingoistic,or downright nasty or in some cases all of the above of course Brittish inteligence ( god I hate putting those two words together) dont do the sort of things that Russia has been accused of.
@Welsh Sion,
They do seminars but have only ever conducted one National poll in 2015. Think they miss the criteria. Seem like tree huggers.
Oh the murky world of Scottish Labour…
I wish all this was in the past. I’m itching to get started on a new indy campaign, and judging by social media, I’m not the only one.
HandandShrimp says:
15 March, 2018 at 1:25 pm
Weird that FMQs were not on the meeting over Brexit yesterday. That, one would think would be far more relevant to business in Holyrood this week. Leonard seems vague on what is and is not reserved and so far has failed to set the heather on fire. Davidson and the BBC seem to be focused on RT so I suppose it is no surprise that she used her question time to go into UK propaganda mode rather than deal with Scottish political matters.
Scottish Tories? Members in the Westminster unable to ask questions about the competencies of that parliament, instead witter on about what happens in the Scottish Parliament.
Members at Holyrood unable to ask questions about that parliament but witter on about Westminster responsibilities.
Are they thick or what?
@ Bob Mack.1.55 pm
Agreed – And if you follow my link you will see that they are listed as a Member of BPC.
Shurely shome mishtake.
Let British nationalists wallow in their Russian mess. They’re desperate to forget brexit and the constitutional issues that go with it. Britnats are also desperate to ignore all that Russian money they’ve pocketed. I’m sure more dodgy polls are on the way.
Britnats can run but they can’t hide.
OT.
Ruth Davidson,Leader of the Tory Group in the Scottish Parliament during First Minister’s Questions.
“…….We have a proud tradition in this country of a free press which acts without fear or favour, a media which seeks to meet the highest standards of objectivity, so that people get the truth……..”
The bloke in the pub thinks that everyone and everything connected with the Salisbury nerve gas incident has been removed to Porton Down which is just over 7 miles from Salisbury. Where else would you go. No shortage of chemical weapons experts to gather evidence.
A remarkable coincidence that the only place in the UK where samples of the nerve gas used in the incident are stored, is a mere 7 miles from the scene of the crime, except that Skripal lived on the outskirts of Salisbury. That’s the coincidence! A former double agent lives so close to the UK’s only chemical weapons base and there’s no connection ? Pull the other leg.
“ Macart @0107 Ruth Davidson banging on about Russia and RT, reserved matters”. Yes it looks to me that the unionists are choosing their ground for Indyref2? They have lost the economic case and as usual when a Tory government is in severe trouble , they run with “ defence of the realm” as their “ get out”. How convenient also that TM can now emphasise the defence of “ Europe” in future Brexit talks. The state propagandist have now turned an attempted murder , into a Russian state chemical weapons attack on the “ U.K.”.
Welsh Sion
Well spotted, another fib.
That is why I absolutely love this site, you are worth every penny of that 100 grand every single penny. I love the way you show these lying bastards up for what they are LYING BASTARDS.
It’s beyond any doubt that as things hot up re Continuity bill, indyref2 etc etc there’s going to be some highly dubious polling going on.
EU Ref 2015. A couple of days, maybe 3, after the result I was in the corner shop for something and caught out of the corner of my eye a big headline on one of the rags something like “59% now support indy” or it might have been “59% for 2nd indyref”. Needless to say I didn’t bother buying it or even looking more closely, such is my aversion to and disdain for these shitty little rags and so just ignored it.
Sure enough a few days later “polls” were again putting indy support at the usual approx 47%.
So you’re expected to believe that within the space of less than a week – during which time would they even have had the time to commission and carry out polls? – support for indy went from 47 to 59%, then back down again to the default figure.
US Elex 2016. ALL the polls had Clinton winning outright by a large majority. Either they were flat out making them up or they deliberately focused only on areas/demographics where Clinton had strong support.
Certain things make me think that broadly the polling re indy may be roughly accurate because neither side can, at the moment at least, be even confident of winning and that could only be because their private, extensive and unbiased polling is telling them that it actually is pretty evenly split. If there were clear indications to the contrary then one side or the other would be demanding a ref NOW.
On the other hand who here honestly believes that any series of polls conducted by any of the established polling organisations which showed a clear and consistent uptick in support for indy would ever see the light of day?
@heedtracker says: 15 March, 2018 at 12:08 pm:
“Call now and you’ll receive your personalised poll to make it look like your doing far better than you really are, and a free pen.”
Yes, heedtracker, but that, “Free pen”, is well worth having. It is the one they keep all those SNP BAAAD! Sheeple in.
It is this sort of poll and headline that people are refering to when they say that indyref1 started when support was only 28%
It wasn’t , the SNP won in 2011 with 45%. Yes had 45% in 2014. We ate on 47% in the polls. These last few % will be hard won
None of the labour and tory politicians want to talk about stuff pertaining to their relevent parliaments for good reason.
In Scotland, they would be destroyed by Nicola and co as the SNP have widespread backing across the political spectrum.
By that i mean, people who are firmly AGAINST indy still vote SNP at holyrood because they actually LIKE the SNP policies.
I know several of them, most of which are looking at voting YES this time as even they realise what brexit will mean to Holyrood.
At WM, they have to be seen to trash Holyrood to curry favour with Treeza and the Whips office.
“We love you Scotland”…like a wife beater loves his bruised and bloody spouse the next morning.
Time to seek refuge and finally end this systematic abuse.
No
You are correct it was 58%? The Rev tweeted It. But polls occasionally throw up rogue results. The last few have trendedicated. 46 49 46 48 47 etc. We are probably about 47 48 %
@Jack Murphy
Yes it’s interesting that Ruth Davidson and the media themselves. in particular the BBC feel the need to state how trusted and honest they are in bringing the “truth” to the public.
Sites such as Wings which debunk media lies on a daily basis have them worried. Very worried as the scales fall from the publics eyes.
The louder they proclaim their honesty the more the public will look at them suspiciously. It’s all good in my opinion.
HELP,
Tory colleagues, including the Chancellor, use the fact that the Russian donors to the party are now UK citizens, can we ask on what grounds they were granted citizenship when others are being refused and removed from our country?
How do you go about getting a FOI regarding these donors and citizenship.
Up here in the Highlands a few family’s have been deported and some still await their fate maybe they have not given enough money to the Tories.
Agent Alex Salmondski at least tries to counter the rolling beeb Scotland gimp fury at him, for daring to have a telly prog on Russia telly.
He’s up against it right enough, our beeb Scotland gimp masters just will not tolerate anyone else but beeb gimps on the airwaves.
Ah the joys of having one of the most corrupt public broadcasters in the west, desperately trying to bring down Scotland’s elected government, only £3.5bn a year.
link to rt.com
Don’t pay the bbc tax. Let British nationalists pay for British nationalist propaganda.
SC
Not sure but for most of the campaign Yes was stuck around 37% although they did dip to 28% in Oct 12 and, oddly, in Oct 13. It was only in June 2014 that the polls tipped upwards into the 40s and they have stayed there ever since.
A starting point of 48% would be a better place than we had in 2012 but I agree that it will be that last 5% that will require a huge amount of work.
The Brit Nat side are resorting to some very dodgy tactics over the last 4-5 years …
– dubious polling
– fake grassroots
– coordinated letter writing to newspapers
– ‘experts’ passed off as neutral who don’t reveal affiliations
– think tanks with a hidden agendas passed off as neutral
– etc etc
… what does that say about their belief in their own cause’s merits and prospects?
@mogabee says: 15 March, 2018 at 2:11 pm:
“I’m itching to get started on a new indy campaign, and judging by social media, I’m not the only one.”
And there are more battles lost through that kind of itch than were ever lost through military might. An untrained soldier will start firing their weapon before an enemy is within range.
Hence the old saying, “Wait till you can see the whites of their eyes”. The troop that charges too soon often finds itself outflanked and totally wiped out.
… what does that say about their belief in their own cause’s merits and prospects?
Is the RT Alex Salmond show the trigger for all this tory fury at Russia too?
Probably not but its hard to not wonder, not out loud though:D
Its easy to conjecture like a tory conspiracy theorist, that the snap GE that took out Salmond and Robertson was just that, coordinated surprise attack, across Scotland, with BBC Scotland gimps laying down their two years of “we said no, we meant NO,” scorched earth fury and SNP bad monstering ofcourse.
Toryboys’s looking across the House at nearly all Scots MP’s vile seps, a wildy enraged beeb Scotland that had come very close to losing its hegemony over all UK state attack propaganda in its Scotland region, a dead in the water red tory comedy troupe and then up he pops again, on RT.
Its extremely likely that RT will get closed down by planet toryboy and that will be that for Salmond, wont it!
OT
Re the secretary of state’s stiff upper lip statement today which was followed by questions from the media, this from Louise Brown (daily mail)……could future package of measures to be unleashed in response (to Russia) include a military response….god knows what’s swirling around this woman’s head to arrive at a conclusion of ‘military response’
This may indeed be about closing RT, too many people are now relying on RT for their news reports, weve had it with Brewer and Jackie Bird etc.
But Moscow could shut down BBC in Russia.
UKGBNI needs a Ministry of Truth. Our dear Ruth might be put in charge. Can just see her on the big screen down the shopping mall. Haloo, I’m Ruthie Proudscott of Ministruth, just one wee squirt of Struthie Bang and those troublesome nats are gone!
Perhaps a question might be whether any of those ex-Russians are potential targets and the UK is kicking up this shitstorm in an attempt to cover their asses.
OTOH I wouldn’t be surprised if after the elections in both Russia and the UK evidence turns up to pin the blame on a 3rd party and embarrassed apologies made to Russia once the exercise has run it’s course.
Good news that the UK is about to embark on chemical warfare research under the guise of “defence” though. Worked well for Japan when the most credible threat they face is Godzilla.
@orri
Terezilla v King Putong…in IMAX and 3D
OT – defence
An article in UKDJ about numbers of hulls (ships) the RN has, had and will have, not the first. I guess I have a different perspective from many because of looking at the possible composition of a Scottish Navy.
Clearly we won’t have a huge number of hulls, so the key thing will be to optimise the use and availability of them, particularlay the availability for service.
The RN apaprently works on a rule of 3, so for 6 T45 only 2 would be worked up and on active duty. I think even the fairly compact RN needs to shake itself up and make this a rule of 2, and Scotland particularly will need to. If we have 4 frigates, 2 of them at least need to be available, and even 1 of the other 2 within hours or days at most of getting ready and worked up.
For me this is planning and base spending, spares inventory, infrastructure, repair maintenance and even refit facilties. It’s not what we’ll have, it’s how we’ll maximise use of it.
But Moscow could shut down BBC in Russia.
All this frenzy has got a lot of benefits for the tories, RT getting the chop, with Salmond, is just one of many great reasons for the whole toryboy/beeb gimp network to go apeshit right now.
When this happened it was simply reported, by exact same beeb gimps, currently going medieval on Russia’s arse.
link to en.wikipedia.org
You can do this all day, which is presumably what top beeb gimps and toryboys have been doing to, cost benefit analysis if you will.
So,
A lot of journalists have been murdered in Russia, investigating Putin in particular. From the same beeb gimps, hardly a mention.
As Russia is turned in to the great enemy again, FBI Russian meddling in US politics gets closer and closer to planet toryboy’s greatest ally, Orange Hitler.
Trump will be the BBC’s most powerful foreign vote NO or else weapon indyref2.
This whole anti-RUSSIAN guff is OTT.
Though having said that Nicola has heard enough to convince her that ‘some’ action should be taken.
I am in no doubt it is an attempt to close down access to RT;
it may be an attempt to prevent Trump and Kim Jung Il meeting;
it is no coincidence that the Defence minister has announced today £750 million ( ? or some other sum can’t remember) to research ‘Chemical Warfare’ at Porton Down. If they had announced that three weeks ago there would have been uproar. Why not put £750 million to the NHS?
Never a time more like now to need Trident
I’m more inclined to favour the report in the Irish Times – Skirpal was a spy, a double agent, how do we know that he wasn’t currently involved in some other assignment and was getting close e.g. about to find out exactly what is going on in Trump’s admin.
And they certainly didn’t like Corbyn telling the Tories that they were being hypocrites and i notice Nicola inferred that when Davidson was hedging around RT discussion at FMQ’S today.
Listening to Holyrood discussing OBFA just now and it seems to me that the hysteria virus has infected this place as well. Does nobody member what was going on at the weekend in Glasgow – ‘Goodnight Green and White”, balaclavas on the streets of Scotland in daylight …. where is this going and when is enough going to be enough!
OT – defence – Air Force
For Indy Ref 1 back in 2012-14 the RAF had intended to retire all the 53 odd Tranche 1 aircraft, which had limited multi-role capability in terms of ground attack, suitable really for air defence. So quick as a flash I marked them up for the Scottish Air Force on the basis they’d be going for a song. Some for operational uses, some for spares.
Problem is the RAF changed its mind, and there will now be two QRA air interception and superiority squadrons made up of the Tranche 1 Typhoons, some of which are in storage to preserve airframe flying hours (max 6,000, usable 3,000), probably one squadron at Lossie and one at Coningsby, with about 16 Typhoons each plus around 12-16 for spares (I spent last night loking through chassis numbers and info!).
This means we won’t get the Typhoons, though as a transition I’d expect to see QRA remain as it is while Trident is still on the Clyde till its new base is ready, so it means it’s now open season on what type of fast jets Scotland would need and acquire over a period of years. It could well be the Gripen, Typhoon is at end of line for production, but I guess since the F35 is likely to be around $100 million each and a lot cheaper to run than the £80,000 per hour of Typhoon (compared to £30,000 of Tornado), that’s a possibility too.
I’d go for the F35-B probably to go with my pet LDA project which could be able to carry 4 to 6 F35-B if big enough, though not able to take off fully fuelled and missiled up.
The Conservative and Unionist party has gratefully received much financial support from certain expat, ex-communist oligarchs with no love for Putin resident in England. Could it be, a set up?
Gospodi pomilui!
O/T/
MSP just arguing that the OBFA is unnecessary because bad behaviour doesn’t happen at Nairn football ground, and the behaviour we saw last weekend is going to happen anyway.
So, I don’t steal cars and there is a law forbidding that, but I don’t ask for the law to be removed on the grounds that cars are safe where I live but in Glasgow it is going to happen anyway.
What am I missing about this Act,- at the risk of opening the floodgates, why do people think it is a bad law?
O/T/
MSP arguing that the Football Act is unnecessary because bad behaviour doesn’t happen at Nairn football ground, and the behaviour we saw last weekend is going to happen anyway.
So, I don’t steal cars and there is a law forbidding that, but I don’t ask for the law to be removed on the grounds that cars are safe where I live but in Glasgow it is going to happen anyway.
What am I missing about this Act,- at the risk of opening the floodgates, why do people think it is a bad law?
If I did a poll in my street the Lib Dems would win the next election
So what does that tell you about personalised polling!
OBFA
Nobdy who is actually affected by the consequences of not having OBFA wants this law repealed (NORMAL PEOPLE)
It’s purely political opponents and legal pedants, neither of which groups live anywhere near the clubs these nutjobs purport to support
Question time, dunno if mentioned already but ah was wonderin’…
See how this alleged nerve agent (as we are advised) came in the form of a ‘GAS’ and NOT a liquid or a solid…
And see how when you ‘fart’, this would normally come out in the form of a gas and eventually disperse into the air.
How was a gas able to do harm to others, LATER, outside, does it linger?
Aye also saw some footage of the crime scene on a guest tv and noticed there was a Greggs shop nearby… them greasy steak-bakes are lethal btw.
Any thoughts RP.
@Cactus
My contribution is simple.
Go for the bridies, they’re the best.
I initially misjudged the FMs comments the other day but after FMQs today the FMs words were chosen very carefully when she pointed out that going by (*what she’d been told*) Russia was very bad, that’s a little different to Russia bad,
because what the FM said without saying it was *If I get it wrong it was because the UK Guv told me that was true information so it’s not my fault if they’re found out to be telling big fat fibs*
Martin J Keatings on Twitter as I don’t do Twitter can I tell you I got the same reply regarding Smith.
?Many thanks for contacting us about BBC News at Six on 7 February.
Firstly, we apologise for the delay in our reply. We know our correspondents appreciate a quick response, and it is a matter of regret to us that you have had to wait on this occasion.
We understand you feel that a report on Police Scotland contained an inaccuracy.
We have discussed your concerns with the relevant team in our newsroom, who accept we were inaccurate to say that the call to Police Scotland was to 999, as you are correct, it was to 101. This was an error, for which we apologise.
We would like it noted, however, that this report was in the wider context that there have been other very serious incidents when Police Scotland have been criticised by the Police Investigations and Review Commissioner for poor handling of 999 calls, as well as PIRC criticism of the poor handling of 101 calls.
We hope this explains our approach. We do appreciate the time you have taken to raise this with us.
I believe the tories, since May became PM, have benefited to the hypocritical tune of over £800,000 from “friendly” Russians.
Oh Jings!
link to archive.is
OBFA no longer exists ~: 62 to repeal against 60 to keep.
A large group of muscular guys clapping energetically in the front rows of audience.
OH DEAR!
Moonlight Research, preferred polling company of lunatics.
Rev, several days ago i put it to you, as a suggestion, that the next wee book is called (and coloured) The Wee Gold Book (Wee GB). And i stated it would also be quite apt as the next opportunity would truly be our golden moment to grasp indy. Just came across this in the archives and it reinforces my thinking. link to wingsoverscotland.com
O/T but fingers colossal Tory hypocrisy on Russia:
link to weegingerdug.wordpress.com
Oh, for a balanced media…
Come tae think of it ah hivnae seen ah Red Robin this year ur they oan the endangered list .
So one could safely say the poll is a load of bias bollocks….thought so.
10/30 @ 3.34, secretary of state should read defence secretary
OT- defence – again
Mulling it over I’ve gone off the F35-B for iScotland, it’s expected there’ll be a maritime version of the new Gripen E/F which would take care of my LDA, so it makes sense to go for the pretty cheap C/D to start with likely second-hand off the peg and hence way cheaper than the new price of about $30 million each, but with long life, half the cost it seems of maintenance of other aircraft, quick turnaround time. Perfect for our needs. And we could go for 2 full squadrons for the same price or less as 1 bare one of Typhoons which was my previous preference. Plus SAAB do pilot training.
link to en.wikipedia.org
and
link to saab.com
Sweden is also a member of NORDEFCO along with Norway, Denmark, Finland and Iceland, something I’d want us to join.
link to en.wikipedia.org
So that’s that sorted 🙂
Anyone know how many turned up at the Caird Hall for the Red Tory Britnat SNPBaaad fest?
OT – defence for the last time while I’m hot
Frigates. Probably looking at something like the T31e maybe a bit bigger in weight and length, but fully kitted so will be looking with interest at the accepted full spec. I’m kind of guessing to get the £250 million price tag they won’t reach their full potential without a lot more spending over time, so a cost of £500 million each for the 4 the Scottish Navy would want.
Plus the cost of the likes of a hangared Merlin HM2 each (available) for anti-sub, but a hull sonar rather than a quiet hull with towed array as they’d need to be GP. Should be adequate for our ASW all the same, along with some MPAs perhaps the P-8A. Who’d build them? Babcock and Fergusons, with Thale. I suspect BaE is on its slow way out of Scotland in terms of naval shipbuilding once it’s done its few T26es.
We’re going to need a high level of integration navy to air force, as within the 12 nm territorial waters and 200 nm of an EEZ, air defence from the Gripens would be primarily land-based from Lossie, with minimal actually on the frigates.
yesindyref2 says:
I remember being surprised at the F35 talk, in a Scottish context. The Gripen seemed more appropriate.
Also, the idea of the Scottish Defence Force using ships designed of the present Royal Navy’s requirements. Building the type of ships, especially patrol boats, used by Norway under license in our yards also seems more sensible to me.
I expect iScotland will have a clean slate. Given the way these Brexit talks go, I don’t think there is a hope in Hell that rUK could negotiate the breakup of the UK coherently. The outcome, IMO, will also be walk-out! They get to keep all assets, and all debt.
Sugar! I always forget something. The frigates would have to be “ice capable”, perhaps with an auxiliary ice-breaker, and perhaps with their own modular ice mission bay. It’s only now it seems the US and UK are awaking up to the Arctic threat increasing with global warming, with a joint sub support exercise (ICEX / SKATE) ongoing at the moment off a floating ice floe base.
Clive Scott at 5.41
No claims about attendance numbers were made and TV coverage went to great lengths to avoid showing the attendance
@galamcennalath
Yes, I fixed on the idea of some F35-B some time ago for the LDA [1] and VSTOL, and since we wouldn’t be able to afford too many types of aircraft in terms of maintenance and spares, just went for that automatically for land-based air defence as well. But since the Gripen should be maritime capable, we could standardise on that instead, even if a slighty different version as is the F35-B from the A (and C) variants. Supposedly the Gripen can switch from air defence to ground attack mode quickly, at the flick of a switch for the pilot. The E variant has mach 2 super-speed, and 1.1 cruise without afterburners. Nice.
[1] LDA – Large Deck Amphibious for a kind of definition. Possibly a converted merchant ship with a big deck like an ore carrier. It’s reckoned there’ll be 80 I think around the world within 10 years giving smaller nations the ability to have mobile air defence and ground attack. I want one! Cost – maybe £400 million, I’d err on the side of caution and say £500 million.
Well? Opposition benches got their dearest wish and defeated the government benches today over the OBFA.
What’s the cost to society for their … victory? Do they even care? The win was all that mattered, right? Omelettes and eggs, right? Oh, and let’s not forget the votes.
Just so the meeja types and policy wonks know? When this goes wrong in people’s communities, and it will go wrong. I don’t think many will be listening to any SNPBAAAAD bullshit. They’ll know exactly where the blame lies.
The “ Real “ propaganda channels in full anti SNP swing this evening ,
with STV opening up with a triple whammy of RT/Alex Salmond, SNP Dundee councillor story and of course Mark Macdonald. Pacific Quay go with RT/ Alex Salmond , Mark Macdonald and finally SNP bad delay on opening of Aberdeen Bypass.( never mentioned the 40 year delay when the unionists were in power).
Cheery wee spot by me today.
Very polite and well spoken [assumed English] guy in Morrison’s picking up a National from the basement and placing it on top of the Record.
Teaches one to not make assumptions.
The strapline on RT of the Salmond picture in the Herald in its Salmond Bad article is interesting, and true:
“Alex Salmond: Scotland incredibly well-placed in world in terms of soft power”
something many of us have said. Backed up with a compact proportionate but strong defence, what’s not to like? I can see a couple of the universities having a Diplomacy degree, an Institute of Diplomats, with of course some Trade Ambassadors to go along with them. That’s do for me.
North chiel says:
Most annoying. I’d be worried, though, if I thought they were winning. They clearly aren’t. Their onslaught is relentless and yet, if anything, Indy support is creeping up. And that’s with no equivalent widespread pro Indy campaign.
At best they are slowing our advance with their rear guard action. ( I dislike military analogies, but sometimes they fit well. )
Who’s already abandoned the ship before it hits the iceberg…
link to independent.ie
Britnat media desperation is getting embarrassing. I believe more and more people in Scotland are seeing through all the anti-Russian, anti-Scottish crap.
Westminster’s toothless moth-eaten lion isn’t roaring, it’s squeaking like a mouse.
OBFA repealed by 62-60 votes. Now this sectarian cancer in our society is free to sicken all of us.
I hope now we will all have learned what happens when we lend our second vote to the Greens.
Never again.
Initially I found myself disagreeing with the SNP over Russia gate. The more I have thought about it though, if I had been making the strategic decision on how to play this, I would have done the same (I would bet a good number of MPs are feeling torn over it though)
I think it’s a case of choose your battles. Had they gone down the Corbyn route, the whole of the Scottish press corps would have rounded on them and made political capital for weeks, at a time when we need to focus people on brexit.
The majority demographic watching MSM news have lived through some of the Cold War and are easy to Manipulate with regards to Russia.
I also fear that calling the Russia chemical ‘attack’ into question would motivate those pushing all the buttons into something more ‘convincing’ and maybe closer to us.
clive scott 5-41 re Caird Hall
Only half the hall was in use, cut off by a black curtain. no Balconies were open. I guess those in attendance were Labour Councillors and their partners, probably on expenses.
Incredible vote tory teresa propaganda there from Channel 4 and Jon Snow. A half hour party political broadcast on behalf of planet toryboy.
What on earth has spooked the whole of planet torboy like this? Teresa’s walkabout set ups in Salisbury pretty much like what Brenda and her fellow parasites take for granted.
Something is up on planet toryboy.
Macart:”What’s the cost to society for their … victory? Do they even care?”
Indeed. I’m probably in a minority on here in that I attend all my diddy team’s home games and we are due to host the two big Glasgow teams over the next few weeks.
Celtic are not immune from having some unpleasant types in their ranks, like some of the loopier of the Green Brigade (believe me) but now I am dreading more than ever our visit from the Sons of William/Queen’s XI now that the Muppets have defeated the OBFA.
It’s the Butcher’s Aprons, the vile songs, the abusing of our black stewards, the general WATP arrogance, exceptionalism and sense of entitlement which makes me, a provincial fan since 1962, ask myself “Why do I put myself through this for just a fitba’ match?”
Then my thrawn gene kicks in and I attend regardless through gritted teeth, but I do wonder the effect of all this, on both domestic and street violence.
Debating club points about human rights and freedom of expression have never seemed so self-indulgent and smug.
And for the decent Rangers fans, of whom I know a few, well, they really need to make their views heard in opposing sectarianism.
ScottieDog @ 7.22 I Agree. I believe the SNP’s support for the, no evidence, Novichock poisoning pantomime has actually outsmarted the Tory government. There is little doubt that Teresa May going large on this event has brought welcome squirrel deflection from the Brexit mess still going on in the background but I also think that they also thought they could include a conveniently timed trap to undermine the Scottish governments credibility in the ‘power grab’ negotiations. In 2003 the SNP MP’s were vilified for voting against the Iraq war. I believe the Tories also expected the SNP to have a similar stance to Jeremy Corbin and ask for evidence and independent proof of Russian involvement (especially as Ecky is ‘under the Kremlin’s control’ on RT). This would then allow a MSM and BBC onslaught of the SNP ‘not bringing the country together’ in times of attack by a very bad Mr Putin. (Britnat Patriotism rules ok, SNP are tractors etc). I think Nicola has brilliantly avoided this trap and outwitted Teresa May in saying that based on the briefing the SNP has received so far from the Tories they fully support her. When it all comes out that it was all lies and falsehoods then Nicola is squeaky clean and can still say that she acted on the information she was told by May’s government at the time.
In honour of the increasing hysteria involving the Rushins. I’m now changing my moniker, for the first time, to K1ski…see ye’s oan the ither side comradskis.
Here we go, now posting under new moniker….could ye tell it wis me?
(coat oan)
So all the UK cops and spooks out there couldn’t find any Westminster paedos, for decades and despite all kinds of evidence but, they’ve already found the Salisbury poisoners, Russia, expelled a couple of dozen Russians, with the whole UKOK tory media go berserk at us to vote strong and stable teresa tories.
Its just that Ted Heath also owned a lovely mansion house in the cathedral square, one of several too.
link to independent.co.uk
Any vote teresa polls out yet. Maybe get that choob up there to do it.
@ScottieDog
Yes, it was the right thing to do and the clever thing to do. It shows she can be a strong FM when neccessary, preseve the public order and security of Scotland. Something the unionists can’t criticise at all. The UK parliament by custom get behind the Government even if they don’t totally agree when it comes to national security, and as the 3rd biggest party the SNP have done just that, leaving Corbyn gasping like a fish out of water in his bewildering rambling point-scoring – something voters in Scotland won’t have missed.
I suspect Sturgeon has built up a close circle of advisers over the last 3.5 years, ones she can listen to and ones who can speak their mind. She had a bit of a shaky start with the Trump / Clinton thing (even May did better), but I can’t think of any serious mistakes she’s made recently.
It is, by the way, quite possible the security services know exactly whodunit if it is the Russians after all. can’t prosecute, so they’re expelled in the batch of 23 to let the Russians sort out their own messki.
At PMQs Nicola Sturgeon again exposed Ruth Davidson’s hypocrisy and totally demolished another hapless performance by Richard Leonard.
If you missed George Monbiot online article in Guardian it’s well worth a read.
Theresa May is dragging the UK under. This time Scotland must cut the rope link to theguardian.com
After seven weeks still no SNP rep on EBC Question Time this evening. Howver Brian Cox is on and hope he has been well briefed.
yesindyref2 says:
15 March, 2018 at 7:50 pm
It is, by the way, quite possible the security services know exactly whodunit if it is the Russians after all. can’t prosecute, so they’re expelled in the batch of 23 to let the Russians sort out their own messki.
Has anyone died yet?
Be funny if they’d all had the iffy fish.
@Tinto Chiel
You have my sympathies TC. You couldn’t pay me to go to a football match these days and in my younger days I was football daft. I just wouldn’t risk taking a family into that atmo now.
Worth a listen.
Over paid smug prick John humphries interviewing Afshin Rattansi (RT) on radio4..
link to youtube.com
Anyone looking for a job………..
link to jobs-north.co.uk
“Prime Minister Theresa May and British businesses are banking on European Union leaders granting a Brexit transition deal next week but diplomats said they could face disappointment unless a deadlock is broken over the Irish border.”
link to usnews.com
Tick tock. Though to be honest, I don’t think that worries the Tories the way it worries everyone else!
Sam @8.11: attending these games is just a bad habit for me now, really, I suppose, but I am glad that I decided not to expose my girls to all that stuff when they were wee and the “supporting” link is now broken.
Sad all round.
We need a New Scotland pronto.
Rock (26th January – By hook or by Cook):
“The British Establishment makes sure that anyone who goes to Westminster gets corrupted.
56 SNP MPs achieved as much for Scotland as 6 would have: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
I would prefer that all of them are called back or lose their seats before they have been bought off.”
The SNP supporting Westminster in its false accusations against Russia prove my point.
@Tinto Chiel
Couldn’t agree more. I miss the stands and the banter and on a professional front, I even miss taking the pics for local sports pages. The cup games used to be awesome. (sigh)
Maybe some day I’ll go back and have a look, but not anytime soon.
All the polls are suspect, The Polling so called ‘expert’ s gets it wrong has been censured and fined many times. BBC BT ‘expert is head of the Association. The whole industry breaks the guide lines, Poor methology, data collection and statistical analysis. They get censor and fined all the time but nothing is done, The should be banned. Gerrymandering is punishable by prison. They use the Polls to manipulate the result.
Sir BT is biased and not impartial. For services to BT. It is not what is said but what is left out. They get £Millions of private and public money. The unionists illegally give it over to their mates. BT Danny Alexander illegally gave thousands of public money to his mates ‘polling company’. The Polls are just manipulated. They break the Purdah period. The Pollling industry gets it wrong. It would be just as balanced blindfolded putting a tail in a pretend donkey. Donkey’s game of chance. The Bookies get it right. Better analysed. They have monies to lose.
@ Sinky
Here’s your Guardian article archived:
link to archive.is
It’s maybe even more relevant now than when it was first published a year ago, since then he was only speculating about various things, some of which have now happened.
Proud Cybernat,
“OBFA repealed by 62-60 votes. Now this sectarian cancer in our society is free to sicken all of us.
I hope now we will all have learned what happens when we lend our second vote to the Greens.
Never again.”
geeo says:
14 March, 2018 at 12:16 am (A historic breakthrough)
“Poor rock…still desperate.
As long as the Greens are supportive of independence, i have zero issue with them.
Zero.”
Rock (25th June 2015 – “One question answered”):
“I have made it very clear that my suggestion is to SNP supporters.
I want zero risk to an SNP majority, therefore SNP supporters must give both their votes to the SNP to avoid any risk.
The likes of Paula Rose are trying to dupe SNP supporters into giving their list vote to the Greens.
The Greens leader Patrick Harvie is as much anti-SNP as the unionists, and independence is not his top priority.
I don’t want a hung parliament where the SNP has to rely on Green or Socialist MSPs.”
Statisically the SNP rep should be on QT every ten weeks. (1/12 pop). Just don’t watch it. Unless an interesting person is on. Otherwise not good. Do not watch it. Put the rating down Viewing figures. Thst is the only way there will be change. Is if the rating go down It can be pathetic and depressing.
56 SNP MPs achieved as much for Scotland as 6 would have: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
So why did the BBC for example put so much in to getting them out of Westminster then? Duh Rock.
Can you not come up something a bit more original Rock, same thing every night, SNP out, Rab Peffers is horrid, youre all a bunch of stinkers etc.
Do you want some new SNP out ideas Rock?
I hear some of them even have sex lives Rock, unlike you no doubt:D
Re Auld Highlander@8.25pm
‘Jobs North’ sounds like the ‘north’ not scotland, but ‘north britain’. A Tory called ‘Mountain, how apt. We have a massive fckg mountian to climb with Britnats wrecking Scotland, especially the ones ensconced in and taking the absolute rip out of Scotland and a massive wage to fck Scotland over all in one go.
I am truly truly disgusted today at these Britnat gits at Holyrood and the Greens! Utterly disgusting. What is their dirty little agenda, we all know, but many do not know. Troughing, lying, scheming gits of the highest order, may they rot in hell.
Re:scottydog@7.22pm
I think you may well be correct.
Brian Cox on Question Time,
don`t know his views on Vladimir Putin but Brian spent a bit of time acting in Russia and recently done/did a tv show in Russia about Scots who had contributed to the story of Russia,
it was a Scottish/Russian who`s strategy halted Napoleon`s conquest of Europe by abandoning Moscow instead of fighting and then starving the Grande Armee (you know the rest).
Jeez just looking at the Rev’s twitter feed.
The MSM emperor Is starkers.
This Brian Cox?
Check his badges!
I see the Herald journalists are circling on twitter to agree how bad this site is.
Their rage is oozing out, why do we not recognise their journalistic quality. Possibly because it doesn’t exist I suppose.
The bad news is I can read full herald articles whenever I want, no payment, it’s easy. Also block the adverts. The problem is the quality of the output is so poor it’s not worth the effort.
yesindyref2 … 6-19pm
How many JAS-39’s did you have in mind.Very capable aircraft and kinda expensive too.
Bargain-basement F-16’s?
Can’t fault the FM for her position on the nerve agent stuff. Her job is to look after Scotland’s interests. I have to bow to her judgement here.
And today’s Salmond show – an absolute stormer – maybe the best yet.
heedtracker,
“56 SNP MPs achieved as much for Scotland as 6 would have: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
So why did the BBC for example put so much in to getting them out of Westminster then? Duh Rock.”
Guardian reader with a Slovene (ex-)girlfriend, don’t you know that Pravda GB has always been anti-SNP and anti-Scotland? Is there any surprise in it putting in everything to get rid of the SNP? Whether there are 6 SNP MPs or 56.
But tell me what the 56 SNP MPs achieved for Scotland.
No Ken500 style fake news please.
Jock McDonnell,
“Can’t fault the FM for her position on the nerve agent stuff. Her job is to look after Scotland’s interests. I have to bow to her judgement here.”
Dr Jim says:
12 March, 2018 at 8:56 pm (A historic breakthrough):
“The First Minister should have kept her mouth firmly shut on Russia and I don’t usually disagree with her on much but I believe her to be way wrong on this one”
Rock says:
12 March, 2018 at 8:19 pm (A historic breakthrough):
“Yet the clueless pompous armchair pundits posting here would be happy for Nicola to be declared First Minister for life, so blind is their faith.”
jfngw,
“I see the Herald journalists are circling on twitter to agree how bad this site is.”
Buy the fake “independence supporting” The National to keep its elder sister The Herald alive.
Macart @8.53: understand completely.
On the plus side, the Pies Where I Am are ok.
😛
ScottieDog says:
15 March, 2018 at 7:22 pm
‘Initially I found myself disagreeing with the SNP over Russia gate’
I agree with you, I think its a smart move politically. Its not as if we are supporting military action which would be a totally different kettle of fish.
We get enough pelters for other stuff, we dont need the ‘stooges of the Kremlin’ thing, for no gain.
Possibly Nicola being on the Privy Council has seen evidence that we will never see, and it would be unwise to refute it without solid counter-evidence.
@Brian Doonthetoon
Wonder where Mr Cox got his Eh! badge though think I can guess 🙂
On a totally different topic I wanted to say something about support for Independence among our older citizens. We all know that support among the under 55’s is above 50% but that over 55’s is support for No is over 60%.
I wouldn’t give up on them, especially not if there is one such voter in your own family. Politicians aren’t going to change their opinion from No to Yes and neither are the MSM but YOU can.
If you have a family member that voted No then that’s who you should concentrate your efforts on. Their opinions can be changed and those best placed to do so are YOU and their wider family. Keep talking to them, you can get through and it’s worth the effort.
No kidding I believe the key to a Yes vote next time around is by taking our own older voters along with us. Plenty of whom already support Yes but we need more. Every No to Yes is worth two votes.
Keep at them relentlessly, eventually they will listen, it’s worth trying and who better to try than a Yes supporting relative they love.
heedtracker,
“Can you not come up something a bit more original Rock, same thing every night, SNP out, Rab Peffers is horrid, youre all a bunch of stinkers etc.”
Like ranting about the Guardian and your Slovene (ex-)girlfriend?
Let us make a deal.
If you make a vow never again to mention The Guardian and your Slovene (ex-)girlfriend here, I will stop referring to you as the Guardian reader with a Slovene (ex-)girlfriend.
Glamaig,
“Possibly Nicola being on the Privy Council has seen evidence that we will never see, and it would be unwise to refute it without solid counter-evidence.”
Something like the “sexed up” dossier on Iraq’s non existent weapons of mass destruction?
Blind faith is not a good thing in a democracy.
Everyone and their dog knows that the Russian state had nothing to do with this.
The BBC are getting more surreal by the day
Reuters on Brexit today:
link to uk.reuters.com
link to uk.reuters.com
link to uk.reuters.com
BBC on Brexit today:
……….silence
Rev. Stuart Campbell (5th March – “Our problems and how to solve them”):
God Save The Queeners
“How do we win them round? We don’t. We walk away and use the time to do something productive instead.”
Pensioners
“So there probably isn’t much hope of making a serious dent in the grey vote any time soon.”
Thepnr says:
15 March, 2018 at 9:51 pm
“No kidding I believe the key to a Yes vote next time around is by taking our own older voters along with us. Plenty of whom already support Yes but we need more. Every No to Yes is worth two votes.
Keep at them relentlessly, eventually they will listen, it’s worth trying and who better to try than a Yes supporting relative they love.”
Rock (5th March – “Our problems and how to solve them”):
“In my humble opinion, with limited resources, it is the ultimate in stupidity to waste them on those who are highly unlikely to be convinced and converted: the British Nationalist elderly, the selfish middle classes, English settlers and the thugs.”
Will the person impersonating and posting as Rock please stop it. You are over doing it…even Rock isn’t as stupid as these posts try to make him out to be.
Let us make a deal.
If you make a vow never again to mention The Guardian and your Slovene (ex-)girlfriend here, I will stop referring to you as the Guardian reader with a Slovene (ex-)girlfriend.
I don’t care Rock.
You can say anything you like on WoS. My love for Prof Smirky gets stronger and stronger by the UKOK BetterTogether Slovene day.
You do have to hand it to this two pay cheques toryboy carpetbagger, he’s doing alright out of trying to destroy nascent Scottish democracy, and for this sort of carry on teamGB garbage too.
You also have to wonder if he’d making as much mullah back in the day, when he was a republican trot, from England, trying to start a revolution, in our Scottish hearts.
You yoons eh Rock. What a bunch. But as it says on the first page of the great UK Constitution, “who says life in teamGB is fair.”
Adam Tomkins MSP Retweeted
Murdo Fraser
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Verified account
@murdo_fraser
Mar 9
More Murdo Fraser Retweeted Cabinet Office
Let’s not forget that the SNP want every single one of these powers returned to Brussels.
Arshin Rattansi on QT tonight…this will be good..love this guy.
Were any other business in the UK to produce forecasts like this below, Theresa May would be shouting from the rooftops about it and doing so regularly. But instead, what do we get from Theresa and the State Media? NOTHING.
From Rigzone: UK North Sea production will increase in 2018, according to WoodMac.
The energy research and consultancy organization expects output in the region to hit 1.9 million barrels of oil equivalent per day this year, its highest level since 2010, as a raft of projects that started up in 2016 and 2017 ramp up to full production.
“Two big fields, Mariner and Clair Ridge, are also due to start up during the year,” Swann said.
BMI Research Oil and Gas Analyst Richard Taylor confirmed that the start-up of fields like Mariner and Clair Ridge were expected to drive an output improvement in the North Sea this year.
In terms of UK North Sea exploration, WoodMac expects 2018 to be like last year but said all eyes will be on West of Shetland, where several “key” exploration and appraisal wells planned throughout 2018 could start “a new wave of UK projects.”
“An exploration well at the giant Lyon prospect … and an appraisal well at the Cambo discovery are two good examples,” Swann said.
Theresa May is following the example of her PM predecessors going back to Jim Callaghan in the 1970’s in NEVER speaking about Scotland’s oil reserves for fear of spreading the news that SCOTLAND IS WEALTHIER THAN NORWAY and thereby risking interest in Scotlands wealth developing into a demand for Independence .
That was quick. Will they build this actually inside No.10?
link to rt.com
Support for Independence is rock solid at around 45 to 48% for the moment, so as an individual I will keep plugging away at persuading fellow Scots that originally voted No to come over to the side of the good guys.
I certainly won’t give up because of something some journalist or British Nationalist politician has to say. Keep plugging away bit by bit we can change peoples minds.
Especially a No voter that is part of your family, they can be won over. Don’t be shy about hassling them they will thank you in the long run. Never forget it’s in their best interests too.
O/T
link to evolvepolitics.com
I love some of the economic shows on RT, like Boom Bust, renegade inc, and Keizer Report.
The economists (non-neoliberal types), the likes of Steve keen, Michael Hudson, Richard Werner and campaign groups e.g Positive Money invited on are rarely given any airing on BBC.
Keen wrote the book ‘Debunking Economics’ and predicted the financial crisis of 2007 some 3 years before it occurred. He is of course persona non grata as far as MSM are concerned.
I made this point to David Leask and was labelled a Russian bot and subsequently blocked.
The shows call into question the neoliberal economic ideas that thatcher Britain has been built on.
They threaten the financial establishment of the U.K. – the oligarchy, the city of London and all those who are stealing everyone’s wealth. An end to this power and a return to a more equitable economy would if anything make the UK a more cohesive unit, and if anything a much tougher nut to crack for any opportunistic foreign power.
Of course the idea is now that the very mention of RT shows will stir up a well of emotion in the naive, lazy British populace. Some are branding it Neo-McCarthyism.
The U.K. is doing a wonderful demolition job all on its own. Why would Putin want to intervene?
Hi Thepnr. (Changed your monicker again 8=))
in order to win indyref2, we have to convert 5% of former NO voters to YES.
Some people commnenting on this web site just don’t understand that fact.
Some are branding it Neo-McCarthyism.
If only it were that interesting. Brexit is a rolling catastrofuck of Gordon Brown and Tony Blair proportionality. There’s more than likely going to have to be an Ireland/UK border running down the middle of the North Sea, for example.
All this Salisbury poisoning carry on does, is give the Teresa tory clown show and massed ranks of beeb gimps, a great chance to blot it all out and keep the UK populace frightened, anxious, and voting tory, just how both the red and blue tories like us all to be.
Having said all that, if you live in the blast zone near Faslane, hope your practicing the teamGB atom bomb dropping in your neighbourhood drill.
You put your head between your legs, your British legs and kiss your arse goodbye.
Rule Britannia.
How can it be that there are Scots who think that their country is better served by playing second fiddle in a political arrangement that in real terms amounts to a form of colonialism, both physical and psychological. Such a rheumy-eyed ‘institutionalisation’ may need a sharp shock to the system. Delivering that shock goes beyond the domaine of conventional party politics and strays into the area of psychological warfare.
The British state has employed and may well re-employ, ‘project fear’ in pursuit of its fundamentally anti-Scottish aims. We need a ‘device’ of our own, a constant reminder that we are here and our people and country will not be airbrushed from history by a bully with antique notions of grandeur.
The excellent Chris Hedges also has a show on RT. The MSM would not give him air time.
The lunar modules in Westminster have spun out of orbit now. Once they calm down and present some evidence then we will know whether their accusations are credible.
No doubt Russia’s oligarchs are just as venal and brutal as our own. But this episode has all the hallmarks of an orchestrated witch hunt.
#bbcqt
what is a ‘country city’ ?
Another day not to discuss independence from brexit
Russia
alex salmond
James Kelly whose not for laws for dealing with bigots
and for Davidson whose hired herself ouf for a meal with a Russian to say we follow the rules is just the lowest, Noticed she wasn’t smiling.
@Hamish100
Ruth Davidson is the most dishonest politician in the UK and that’s saying something. A hypocrite that will take Russian money for the Tory party to have a dinner yet will attack Alex Salmond for doing a TV show.
She is never of the telly and getting paid for it! Great British Bake Off, Have I Got News For You.
On 13 October 2016 I appeared as a guest on the BBC’s “Have I Got News For You”. I received remuneration of £1,500 from Hattrick Productions (a television production company, of 10 Livonia Street, London, W1F 8AF), which produces the programme. They also paid for one night’s accommodation at Premier Inn London County Hall, Belvedere Road, London at a cost of £177. [Registered 01 November 2016]
On 16 October 2016 I appeared as a guest on the BBC’s “Great British Bake Off – An Extra Slice”. I received remuneration of £2,065 from Love Productions (a television production company, of 43 Eagle Street, London, WC1R 4AT), which produces the programme. They also paid for one night’s accommodation at Hilton London Bankside, Great Suffolk Street, London at a cost of £178.34 and a flight from Edinburgh Airport to London City Airport at a cost of £66.49. [Registered 11 November 2016]
link to parliament.scot
Hey Ruth, ‘Show me the Rubles’
@Tam the Bam
Apaprently the unit cost for a C variant is £22 to £44 million each, compared to £100 million for a Typhoon, and probably soon enough, a little less for a F35-B. But Sweden is taking delivery this year of the first of the new E variant, so may well have some second-hand ones for sale by the time we’re ready in early 2021. Going cheap 🙂
Interestingly, the E variant has: “Perhaps the most important feature is the new British-built Selex Raven ES-05 active electronically scanned array radar”
Rang a bell so I looked it up and it’s Leonardo Company who have a facility in Edinburgh producing that, with 1,800 jobs, so when time to move up to the E variant, would bring back money into our economy.
link to uk.leonardocompany.com
How many? I’d like 2 squadrons of 12-16 each, with maybe an extra 4 for the usual testing purposes. Say 32-36 in total. Some would be used for training, but rather than a different training squadron as the RAF does, I’d have that within one or both squadrons.
IPSOS-Mori ll a couple of days ago had YES for indy at 48% and NO at 52% (neglecting a small amount of DKs).
That poll had nearly half its respondents over the age of 55.
It was a telephone Poll and a large percentage of younger voters no longer own a land line.
Every age group below 55 years voted YES, those over 55 voted NO with 62% NO.
Starting point for indyre2 is too close to call.
Chick McGregor the poll results were weighted and they did also do a small number of mobile calls, but your wright about it being too close to call.
The English still keep on voting tory though. Maybe there’s a kind of mass masochism going on down there, “thank you Sir toryboy, can we have another,” style. If they piss off the Russians enough though, they’ll really have something to moan about.
link to theguardian.com
OT – defence for the last time tonight
Mmm, re Gripen just found this: “The Gripen production line is backed up to 2022, but Saab officials have suggested they could sell upgraded versions of the older airframes that are in storage. Saab told reporters at the Paris air show earlier in the year that it might be able to sell between 300 and 450 jets over the next two decades.”
link to nationalinterest.org
One thing buying the older C is it does need the MBDA Meteor upgrade to have an up to date air to air capability, a sneeze at £2 million a shot for a 100km range at mach 4.
link to en.wikipedia.org
The moment when Brian Cox loses his patience with the thick English audience on QT and tells them a really quick truth about Scotlands desire to leave England
If you’ve got the tech know how don’t miss a magic few seconds
Gavin Williamson = one seriously scary dude.
Please do not let this guy anywhere near nuclear weapons or indeed any weapons.
Most sensible comments on the ruskygate by the two women guests on the second half of the Alex Salmond show. They cut through all the hysteria.
Has everyone forgotten Blairs dodgy intelligence dossier and all the lies that took us to war in Iraq.
It is ironic that Alex Salmond etc attempt to have a full, fair and inclusive IndyRef1. Including EU citizens resident in Scotland. getting to vote. Back fired. Many EU citizen residents voted NO because they were lied to about losing EU membership. There are reports it was 290,000. How they know? Goodness hows. It is a secret ballot. ‘Devolved’ decision. Eu citizens residents are not allowed to vote in GE. Only in local elections and EU elections. (Other EU countries do the same. EU rules/lLaw?)
If they had no been included in the vote. Ie Same as GE + 16+ (really most 17/18 years depending on DOB)
YES would have won in the IndyRef 1. If those figures are correct.
They will vote YES in the next one.
Thatcher had the Falklands to boost her profile
Blair had Iraq to boost his profile
Cameron tried to get Syria to boost his profile
Now we’ve got Theresa May and she picks Russia (sharp)
It’s all so familiar
I used to be a Tartan Tory then I was a Nazi, then I was an Ultra extremist, this week I’m a Russian sympathiser
At least I maintain my dignity of still being a Vile separatist through all the adversity
Funny thing about England, they have unpleasant names for everybody, no one left out
@ yesindyref2
The Grippen would be my choice, far cheaper in both maintenance and running costs. I read recently that they were looking at a carrier version.
Gavin Williamson (Russia should shut up) got £Thousands in donations from the wife of the ex Russian Defence Minister. (living in London) The boy from RT said, where do you think it comes from? – Russia’. The RT guy asks, ‘ Why are the Russians giving the Tories so much money.’ – ‘What are they getting back?’
Grayling says, ‘All the donation to the Tory Party from Russian residents in London (£Billion?) are above board and accountable. They are British citizens.etc.
The Tories are chucking good people out of Scotland who obeyed the emigration rules. The Felbers were looking for donations to fight their cause against the Home Office. The government department illegally chucking folk,out of their house is called the ‘Home’ Office.,Disgusting.
The Tories have been taking secret donations from anywhere for years and getting caught out. Ashcroft? Rothermere might be giving them money. Offshore tax evaded? Murdoch? They gave Labour money. The fund raising Parties in London. for At Murdoch’s family house. Cash for honours.
The secret Brexit money channelled through the DUP being kept hidden. £1/2Billion?
Irish border new idea:
The Tories have suggested people could pre register to do cross border trade or movement by frictionlessly filling in a form online to make everything as frictionless as is frictionlessly possible
Thus moving the Irish border frictionlessly into your living room, I’m sure that’ll go down a treat with the folks over there
@Golfnut
I was getting interested in the idea of the maritime version, but unfortunately having checked it out it’s not STOVL and requires Catobar or Stobar – and a full carrier by length.
Yes, found a figure for C/D airframe lifetime and it seems like 8,000 combat hours. This compares to the Typhoon 6,000 but safe operational 3,000. So the add on lifetime cost is say half from the point of view of its figure in full cost per hour, on top of being cheaper to start with. And with being designed for quick and easy maintenance, less than half that of the Typhoon, probably nearer a quarter cost per flying hour. Overall maybe one-third the cost per hour at a guess.
Like the Typhoon it’s probably a 4.5 Gen for what that’s worth, though I’d back the Typhoon against the Gripen C/D. The E is probably on par, would be around $80 million new price (£60 million). C is one-seater, D two-seater by the way.
Dr Jim @ 12.05
I missed that as I went to RT to watch Alec Salmond. I hope someone else can put the clip up.
“Hopes of Brexit transition deal face Irish barrier” – link to uk.reuters.com
Oops..!
Apparently, and I’m just making this up, if anyone guesses today’s all in total to the nearest full pound for the fundraiser, Rev emails them the lot. So my guess is £100,573.
£100,284.
So the day AFTER the vote to repeal the OBFA, BBC Scotland run a story about SFA/Polis ignoring complaints by stewards and match officials about sectarian singing at football matches in Scotland.
Dr Jim , you forgot Libya and the hideous mess we made there.
Both Saddam and Muammar wanted oil paid for in gold dinars – none of your paper petro dollar rubbish.
I look forward to our Minister of Defence leading the charge against the Russian army because their leaders gave a ‘smug’ reply – like , ‘Nothing to do with us you pillock’
Favourite RT programmes apart from the news , are Watching the Hawks ( best advert ever) and Cross Talk .
Dug on good form last night.
link to weegingerdug.wordpress.com
link to weegingerdug.wordpress.com
@Brian Doonthetoon says: 15 March, 2018 at 10:40 pm:
“Hi Thepnr. (Changed your monicker again 8=))
in order to win indyref2, we have to convert 5% of former NO voters to YES.”
Not true, Brian Doonthetoon, and far too oversimplified. There are far more factors to be considered. For example what about the, “not Voting group”? Get them out to vote YES and you get nearer the magic 50%. What of the NO supporters who didn’t vote the last time – get them out and you are further from independence?
The overall problem is demonstrably far more complex than simply converting existing NO voters to vote YES or blaming the older generation as all being NO voters.
For a starter I’ve often pointed out that one reason there are more elderly NO voters can be seen in video and still photos of Labour, LibDem and in particular Tory conferences.
These party conference videos and photos are depicting the age demographic of the actual unionist political parties and the reason they are predominantly from an older generation is because they are all that now remains of the actual unionist parties now in decline.
These at conference are not just No voters they are the actual political parties and the fact they are predominately older is proof the unionist parties, not their voters, are on their last legs.
“Some people commnenting on this web site just don’t understand that fact.”
Aye! and some see things in far too simple terms and thus they draw very wrong conclusions. To clarify that, as there are obviously many reasons for people to vote either YES or NO there are also many reasons for people to not vote at all and the YES movement will continue to fall short as long as the Grass Roots activists have these fixed and intractable views and thus miss the chance to gain a vote by assuming that particular groups are beyond being gained.
@yesindyref2
“Rang a bell so I looked it up and it’s Leonardo Company who have a facility in Edinburgh producing that, with 1,800 jobs, so when time to move up to the E variant, would bring back money into our economy.”
I used to work at that facility in a former life. It was previously celex and BAE systems before that but started life as ferranti. Ferranti was the biggest employer in Edinburgh when I left school. That has changed now to RBS. That is a great indicator of the way the U.K. economy went – export industry to banking and unearned income.
Just to add , I’m not particularly proud to have worked in the U.K. defence industry. My eyes have been opened.
@ ScottieDog, yesindyref2
Remember Ferranti well. Did the school careers trip there way back in 67, Ferranti made the gun sight for probably the best interceptor ever built, the English Electric lightning.
Links
link to indyref2.scot
link to autonomyscotland.org
link to internationalschoolmealsday.com
link to rbs.postach.io
link to cer.eu
link to politics.co.uk
link to politicalscrapbook.net
Paralysis in the British government, paralysis in local government, and paralysis in Ireland…
link to twitter.com
Had a good laugh at the BBC Text service this morning.
They begin an item headed:-
“Mini Beast”, brings new weather warnings
It then begins the report with this:-
“Yellow snow warnings have been issued as a, ‘Mini Beast from the East’, is expected to hit the UK.”
I had to laugh as my old Grannie used to give her grandchildren, ‘Yellow Snow Warnings’, as far back as the late 1930s/early 1940s, “Noo mind ye an no eat the yellie snaw”, when we were about to go out to play in the Winter snows.
I had a wee mental picture of an East Lothian wee dog cocking a leg on a snowy Winters day in Mid Lothian.
Brexit: Government ‘paranoia’ over secret business agreements
link to archive.is
EU publishes draft text of Brexit treaty, some key issues unresolved
link to archive.is
A ceremony to mark the destruction of Russia’s stock of chemical weapons may have been held too soon
link to archive.is
Government told to ‘urgently investigate 10,000 additional deaths’
link to archive.is
link to politicalscrapbook.net
Irish border remains biggest obstacle to Brexit
link to ft.com
Tories to implement new nasties for next generation of poverty stricken pensioners
link to byline.com
link to evolvepolitics.com
@ScottieDog says: 16 March, 2018 at 8:23 am:
“I used to work at that facility in a former life. It was previously celex and BAE systems before that but started life as ferranti. Ferranti was the biggest employer in Edinburgh when I left school.”
Aye! It was just yards away from Bruce Peebles and close to the shared football ground of Edinburgh City and Leith Athletic that Morphed into, if memory serves, “Ferranti Thistle”, that Morphed into, “Livingston FC”.
Last links until Monday, have a good weekend.
link to scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk
little thread why @Douglas4Moray @Kirstene4Angus and this @ScotTories thread have resulted in me finally returning my medals for my military service in the first gulf war
link to twitter.com
Concern at rising infant mortality rate in England and Wales
link to archive.is
link to bloomberg.com
Ta Nana
You too. 🙂
Donated! Feel better now.
If you haven’t got round to it yet..
@Ken500 12:15am
Just reminded me about voting and the whole “Secret Ballot” thing everybody tells me.
It’s a secret from your neighbour and anyone standing next to you at the polling booth. After that Votes are tied to your ID. If you ever look at the ID list, even at local elections, you’ll notice codes next to your name; these correspond to the code on the voting slip. It’s a glorified raffle book if you will.
Which is probably why everyone with access to the register and the voting slips appears to know how I vote. Unless it’s changed since I last voted in 2017, it’s been like that since I clocked it decades a go as a plooky youth.
“Secret Ballot” my sheuch!
Red Robbin Lying Basterds
What’s all this about the Irish border in the North Sea??
That would include all of us on the GB Mainland.
Just asking.
Scotland’s government putting children at the centre of its policies,having a universal children’s rights based approach to supporting children an families – such are the choices that a government that believes in society can make
link to cpag.org.uk
Compare with WM , determined to undermine any state support,raiding budgets that make a difference to children an families – that alone defines an unworthy political system.
link to theweek.co.uk
And the numbers of poor children are set to increase, stressed lives stressed families:
link to equalityhumanrights.com
link to coe.int
A dereliction of human rights – without rights there’s is no democracy, without social stability there is no economic growth and no future for the majority of citizens. Thankfully Scotland can choose to get out of this farcical arrangement with WM.
You can tell Ruth Davidson’s lying when her lips move.
Harvie and his mates using SNP second votes to vote against OBFA. The SNP support. They had been warned. The tail is waging the dog again .This happens all the time. You have been warned. Some people never learn. The greens could cost Scotland FFA/Independence support. Helping the opposition. Criticising the SNP all the time for no reason. They renege on their own policies. Cutting off their nose to spite their face and ruining economic growth. Reneging on their own policies. Wasting £Billions. That could be better spent. Like the unionists.
Just look at the six white makes sitting in Holyrood voting again it whenthe majority support it. A bad Kaw but it worked, No equality, no diversity. No parity. Supporting thuggery, violence and inequality for people. Sectarism and the community bring blighted by racists, bigots misogynist Letting the society, the economy and the people down. More of them should be arrested, charged and get penalties for their crass behaviour not encouraged. The Greens as usual are totally out of line. Saying it is only a game Does not cover it.
Playing games with the voters will bring penalties. Another own goal. They reduce their support. They are such an unpopular team with unpopular members, Let’s hope the Police, and authorities, now get on with the job of stopping the thuggery and criminality Along with the corrupt sporting clubs disobeying the Law all the time. The only Law that ever worked has gone without replacement. Now Police Scotland has been sanctioned cleared and clean out. Will they step up to the game and sort it out? The affront and blight on society.
The corruot unionist controlled (Glasgow) Police were breaking the rule of Law with impunity. Putting too many people in cells overnight on ‘charges’ that could never come to court. Fo mild misdeanour or malicious complaint. Instead if needed just a warning. The Police wasting time and public money clogging up the courts . While letting the ones committing genuine crime get away with it. Acting like criminals and breaking the Law causing stress and disharmony. They should sort their priorities out. Football thuggery and bigotry should have been sorted out.
The Clubs should be censored and fined. The Directors breaking Company Law should be investigated and given penalties. Banned from holding business Office or liability. Instead of supporting and letting malicious thugs and hooligans roam the streets. That is not sporting. Causing violence and threatening behaviour the unionist and the green (politicans) support. Just an affront to decent dignity. No wonder the terraces are empty and the game in disrepute. Ruining their own industry. Taking the punters for fools. Adding to their own demise. No one likes losers.
People were warned. Some people never learn. Imagine helping the Tory – unionists to win. Claiming to detest them. Their vile policies and austerity are causing the problems. Harvie kicks the can down the park. Does not play a fair game and could do it again. Holding the electorate in comptempt. On a corrupted electoral system introduced to oppose fair play. Not an equal playing field. Letting the 3rd loser rejects in to corrupt and ruin. To spoil the match. They should get a red card. They are showing their true colours.
The electorate have been warned when the rematch comes along. Not green but naive Let them out to graze on the green grass for victory and winning the main prize. Independence prosperity and equality. Fair shares for all. In the divi of the prizes and rewards. Bring it on for fairer play. Join the game.
Andy Murray a true sporting hero gets major support, plays the game and excels. A true world champion to follow. Hope he is well and back to fitness soon. Have a much deserved spell. A wee break. Andy, Jamie and all the Murray doing so much for sport and Scotland. Entertaining and giving great example. The wonderful and excitement you and you compadres bring to world class sport. Legends one and all. Pursuing the Cup and entertaining, like gladiators in the ring but respecting each other Top class sportsmen. Gentle men one and all.
John MacRae says:
Brexit talks won’t proceed until TMay agrees to it.
That is the reality of the situation, but the Tories are in denial.
In detail, the agreement of December says the Irish border issue can be solved in three ways.
1) the UK’s eventual deal would be soft enough to allow no border. TMay has rejected that with her red lines.
2) a high tech solution. That still means monitoring and checking, even if passively or away from the border. So doesn’t comply with Good Friday Agreement
3) the fallback has to be NI in customs union and regulatory alignment, which means border in the sea between Ireland and Britain.
The only possible outcome is 3) if TMay sticks to her hard Brexit plans.
‘Military grade nerve agent’. What other sorts of nerve agent are there??
I hear that Tesco Value nerve agent is as effective as the big name brands, but at a fraction of the price.
I look forward to welcoming our new russian overlords
A good article on Rules of Origin. If you don’t know about, or don’t understand RoO then you do need to read this.
The article is correct in that we don’t hear enough about RoO. Without a customs union then there has to be a hard border, goods checking, and potentially tariffs to pay EVEN IF THERE IS A FREE TRADE AGREEMENT.
The best TMay is hoping for would still require full RoO administration with associated costs and delays.
A free trade agreement (like ‘Canada’) is closer to no deal/WTO than to single market membership!
link to prospectmagazine.co.uk
When I was at school the North Sea was to the east of the mainland.
Have the Tories moved it when my attention was elsewhere?
From Craig Murray
Of A Type Developed By Liars
link to craigmurray.org.uk
According to Bloomberg, “European diplomats say that on Ireland, the two sides are still a long way from seeing eye to eye.”
Do the DUP and the UDA see eye to eye with anyone?
History shows there’s no room for diplomacy in ‘No Surrender’
I notice that the BBC headline is ‘MSPs vote to repeal football bigotry law’ and last night Radio Shortbread reported it was the ‘Scottish Parliament’ wot dunnit.
No mention of the parties involved at all. They know the repeal is unpopular but dont want to say who was responsible.
John MacRae says:
Indeed. Apologies, I missed the North. In fact I missed the joke and the Tories’ mixup altogether!
Too many serious things to take too seriously these days!
Pretty much an all out attack on Corbyn on This Week for not falling dutifully into line with the government and condemning the Russians. Not much time for Corbyn but this was just pure character assassination.
It would have also have been the Sturgeon treatment if she had not given her support, but remember hers was based on the information supplied by the government. If it turns out she was not given accurate info or lied to then expect the tables to turn.
Caught the end of QT, after watch RT news at 23:00 (don’t normally but felt obliged to as it is claimed to be propaganda), caught Grayling claiming there would be no border at Dover. They are now apparently going to control the EU border rules after exit, deluded or what.
As for RT, didn’t find it any worse than the BBC news, the unquestioning voice of the government position (not the Scottish government obviously).
@jfngw
my comment from a few days ago
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schrodingers cat says:
15 March, 2018 at 8:44 am
politics 101
support that which costs nothing.
treeza will expell russian diplomats, media will be indignant and bad mouth russian sympathisers, see corbyn, but in the end, proof or not, westminster has nothing else since gunboat diplomacy needs gunboats, westminster is now only a talking shop. even the threat of england boycotting the world cup has dissappeared.
if russia is shown to be innocent (hint, we will never see any evidence to prove this one way or another) nicola just needs to say she based her decision on the evidence given to her by treeza.
nicola’s comments will appeal to the 52% who still want to vote no, if she had come out in favour of the russians, the msm would today have been going full tonto on the snp
this is a diplomatic spat which nicola has sidestepped, it will eventually be forgotton, (4 days i recon) or at latest when the world cup starts.”
i would amend my comment only by saying “it (the anglo saxon sabre rattling exceptionalism) will eventually be forgotton, (4 days i recon) or until they are dumped out of the world cup on penalties by germany”
I’m confused. Is this Moon fellow the “Vice-Chair” as Red Robin says, or the “Secretary” as he says, of the British Polling Council?
RT: Ruski Twaddle
BBC: Brit-Nat Brainwashing Channel
‘Tweedledum meets Tweedledee’
Schrodingers cat , you forgot wonderful wee Iceland – I hope they qualified for this round ballkicking fest , because I want to hear that chant again and again and again.
OFF-TOPIC
Just had a swatch at the Rev’s twitter feed. There are some diamonds amidst the dross in there this morning.
I particularly liked the one which renamed Benedict Cumberbatch as Butternut Crinkle Fries. I shall perhaps never again be able to think of him by any other name.
In the year of our English Lord, 1918. Actually were they bigoted towards their fellow Brits a hundred teamGB years ago.
link to theguardian.com
From Twitter
Putin is sending his top investigator, Yukanol Fukov.
schrodingers cat says:
16 March, 2018 at 9:58 am
‘Military grade nerve agent’. What other sorts of nerve agent are there?…
Gruinard was poisoned for decades with weapons grade Anthrax bacteria, which made it much more potent, virulent and durable.
The same non-weapons grade Anthrax bacteria occurs naturally, often on corpses or animal skins, and historically accounted for some deaths to people working in leather tanneries. If memory serves anthrax bacteria recently killed somebody in the Borders whom I believe was trying to make a drumskin from a badgers pelt he was attempting to cure himself. But relatively safe from casual exposure, without such close/intimate contact, natural Anthrax spores are thus potentially dangerous, but could not be considered weaponised.
Botulism is similar, another bacterial related toxin which occurs naturally, but the weaponisation factor is the modification to make it more virulent, lingering, and contagious.
There are also itching agents and blistering agents which occur naturally, like the dusts and sawdust components in itching powder in a joke shop, and the naturally occurring chemicals for example in Giant Hogweed that can make your skin blister, but its all a question of degree.
Weaponisation is the science of making such affects much more concentrated and potent, longer lasting, (or sometimes shorter lasting), while manageable enough to store, handle, and deliver to the target with predictable effect.
Weaponised nerve agents sounds high tech, but the term is equally applicable to South American Indians wiping the tips of their blowgun darts on the back of a toxic frog.
@ Cat, 10.40
Agree with that. I came round to thinking if this turns shit shaped, Nicola can say, I commented based on the info given.
However, I do think that’s possibly a hostage in future,,because obviously Indy can’t happen now, because, as in 2014, the Russians will be straight in here, and we are so stupid not to see how we are a security risk to the UK.
Twitter reporting Scotsman today saying SNP is Kremlin funded, presumably on back of Salmond’s show. So, siding with May buys you no slack.
It was used last night to Brian Cox on QT. He said we should stick with EU, so immediately audience member said, “why do you want to leave UK”
Cox was howled down as he started to say “that’s different…”
Good latest piece from Craig Murray from hackalumpoff @ 10.08.
Just to add to what Breeks said regarding Chemical and Biological agents, the aim in many cases is not to kill the opposition army but to make them incapable of carrying out their actions. So for example use of a gas which would make you stoned or refuse to obey orders so that the opposing army can take over your position without opposition and without the victors having to deal with thousands of rotting corpses and decontaminating the ground. Btw have you see the photo doing the rounds of several folk suited up biological warfare suits whilst beside them two fireman are standing with just their standard gear on!
The Irish border in the Irish Sea.? Would mean the whole iof Ireland would be in the EU common policy area. No need for an economic border in the middle of Ireland. Ireland as a whole would still be in the same EU common trading or policy areas. Subject to EU reguation and good policies areas.Application. No need for a border (checks/posts in the middle) The border would be a sea border with the British mainland, coast of England Wales and Scotland. The east coast of Britain. Basically all of Ireland would for economic reasons be united. That seems to be the position? Who knows.
In the whole of Ireland through you can travel freely without borders. Six counties. There are different economical decision areas in both the North and the South. IR (Eire though some folk disagree with that name). In IR they use the Euro. The cost of living is cheaper in the South. (because of any fall in the £ against the Euro).
In the south things are relatively cheaper than the UK the food, accommodation etc. Essential Something in (UK International) chain stores trading in Dublin/IR are slightly dearer. For the same goods clothes shoes etc in the UK. (taxes) This is offset by the lower cost of living on other essential goods. Food, accomodation etc. It is worth a shopping trip in the leisure sector. Dublin and the rest of Ireland is a really nice place. Brilliant scenery and historical interest. Most of the Irish people are nice as well except for the bigotry and division.
The Republic boomed in the EU. (Tiger) Getting lots of EU grants for growthn, construction and improvement. Extremely successful economy. Some of it based upon lower taxes for foreign Corporations. (Allowing tax evasion elsewhere) but that has been tighten up the EU commission. On going.
Many American tourists fly into Dublin as their base for Europe travel. It is cheaper. There are direct flights The flights and accomadation is cheaper by comparison. There are flights over Iceland to the Ststes shorter and therefore cheaper, Many Irish people have American relatives. The diaspora. The clearances, poverty and famine caused by Westminster rule. There is a special committee in the US Senate to encourage trade and co operation between them. Senators of Irish descent. An interest group. Same Scotland. People of Scottish descent a factor. New York Scottish week etc. Highland games,
Billy Connery lives in the States /Australia.wuth his Australian born wife. They sold the Estate no use for it. The wife sold up some property to go in a sailing trip in a yacht around the world. Billy was not be pleased but he did not try to stop her. He comments on it in his stage act. Getting pretty frail now.
NI voted to remain in the EU. The DUP want Westminster UK rule but do not follow UK EU/International Law. The DUP a minority in NI (AV or PR?) 40% support? The DUP want Westminster rule so they can disobey UK Law, So they can do want they like. Ie Break the Law. They are a Law unto themselves . Racist, misogynistic and bigots. Hardliners. They act illegally with impunity for unionist support at Westminster (votes in the HoC supporting the unionists). The Masonic dominated political Parties denied the Catholics the vote for years. In parts of Belfast they could not vote until the 1960’s. Bernadette Devlin Campaign.
The NI administration Stormont are funded much higher than the rest of the UK to keep them sweet. £42Billion for 1.5 million population. That was on the UK Gov accounts website. Don’t know how that is worked out? They try and hide it? Tony Blair – Labour gave NI £12Billion extra years ago to keep them quiet. When Westminster Treasury were taking the equivalent of £Billions out of Scotland.
Sin Fein/DUP get £Millions of UK funding of support but do not attend Westminster because of taking the Oath of allegiance to the Queen. Many people wish they would walk in and take May and the Tories down. Just this once over Brexit. (austerity etc). It would be amazing.
The NI admin has broken down because of the DUP intransigence. The will not enforce UK/EU/Ihternnational Lsw on equal rights etc. They oppose gay marriage, freedom of language Gaelic, and right to abortion for any reason. (No Contraception?) Bigots and secrecy of the Masonics. The handshake etc. They are not fit to stand as candidates. Breaking the code of conduct of declaration. Criminals.
If the DUP/unionists do get Westminster Rule. The equal rights etc they oppose should be brought into Law and practice. The equal rights they oppose for biased religious reason are not compatible with modern rule of society. Dinosaurs. The Catholic Church is even more enlightened on some subjects. Trying to get up to date. Or lose more members and expire. The majority of Church members are elderly women because they out live men. Baptism, marriage and death are all the Churches are of predominantly use. Organised religion is dying out. Just like the Tories. The average member is seventy. The Tory Party could die out.
Vlad Putin versus what ever the fcuk the demented tory creep show thinks this idiot is. Beeb gimps, are you watching?
link to independent.co.uk
It’s easy to see why Colonel Ruth thinks she can be UKOK Prime Minister right enough.
“While he had given his speech, which he read from a piece of paper, taking lengthy pauses before most words of more than two syllables, the Russian government had indicated it would be expelling some British diplomats of its own, in response to Theresa May having done the same.
Defence Secretary tells Putin to ‘go away and shut up’
What was Private Williamson’s view? “Russia should shut up! Russia should go away!” he said, in his very loudest whimper.
This intervention, from one the UK’s most senior politicians, and the head of its armed forces, came not 24 hours after Theresa May was quite right to have accused Russia of treating Britain with “sarcasm” and “complete disdain”.
Australia rugby coach who complained about racist, bigoted attack. Is a racist bigot. ”Bloody Migrant Bastards’ Ruining rugby. It’s only a game. ‘Tie me kangaroo down sport’.
The Great Brutish Empire was a big fan of chemical and bacterial warfare,
from deliberately spreading smallpox to the indigenous people of North America and Australasia to using chemical weapons in bombing the Kurds the Afghans and the Russian Bolsheviks,
Churchill
Churchill also wanted to use M Devices against the rebellious tribes of northern India. “I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes,” he declared in one secret memorandum.
May complained about Russia treating Britain with ‘sarcasm’ and complete disdain’ What?
The way May treats Scotland and everywhere else. – with Sarcasm and complete disdain, Kettle black does not come into it. She is a complete hypocrite. Nasty lying, conceited, arrogant, racist bigot just like the rest of her party. Cheating, criminal liars.
Explains Green OBFA vote.
That Green Union Bear vote, could well the breakthrough for Green environmentalists of Scotland, assuming Teresa’s not hit the big red button by Monday.
link to thenational.scot
Maybe the anti-Russia hysteria and Labour-bashing as ("Tractor" - Ed)s is a prelude to a GE?
Stinky old The Graun’s Scotland section news headlines today,
Weather
UK weather: snow warning extends to most of England as winter bites back
Warning for Sunday now covers all of England except for Cornwall and parts of north-west
Museums
London tourism flatlined in 2017 due to terror fears, rail issues and cost
Northern Ireland and Scotland saw big increases, according to figures from Association of Leading Visitor Attractions
It is odd watching a British broadsheet mock its Scotland reader.
Severin Carrell is well.
The SNP is funded by it’s members. With full and properly declared books and accounts. Publicallyb displayed, It sticks to the rules. The electoral rules. The only one that does. Complies. . Thst is why it is so sussessful. It can carry out successful.policies free from influence of outside interests. Or donations.
Alex Salmond although a SNP member is a private citizen. The stinking, sinking Scotsman can get stuffed before Alex Salmond associates takes it over. Lying bastards. Not fit to call it’s name. Or an editor fit to print. It is going bust with massive debts that need reconstructing by 2019 because of it’s lying editorial polices. Biased and non impartial. No one will buy it. Out of touch and out of time. JP based in north of England supports Labour/unionists Over £200Million debts. No one will buy the rubbish, regurgitated, recycle nonsense. They have to sell off their commercial estate and rent it back. A fire sale, shortly.
RT is the only vehicle of more honest truth. Worldwide. That is why the Tories what to shut it down. No opposition or free speech. The Tories want to shut down the internet. Control freaks. Trolling the world.
Glamaig says:
16 March, 2018 at 11:52 am
Maybe the anti-Russia hysteria and Labour-bashing as (“Tractor” – Ed)s is a prelude to a GE?
Its going to make all the Russia World Cup qualifiers demand that England should host the World Cup instead.
Think that’s crazy?
link to standard.co.uk
link to theguardian.com
BJ says he’s not going. No wonder. Can’t see any of our tory imperial masters fancying their chances over there, with all this endless tory teamGB monstering of Russia.
Word slowly leaking out from Porton Down is the Russian nerve agent analysis appears to show that the Russian nerve agent in fact isn’t a Russian nerve agent at all, but for the purposes of the UK Guv they’ll have to find a new classification to still make it a Russian nerve agent even if it turns out to be Tesco own brand oven cleaner which as we all know is probably a Russian brand of oven cleaner which contains Russian nerve agent because it says don’t breathe this in or you’ll die, on the side of the tin
A full program I’m sure will be dedicated to the dangers of oven cleaner and the sooking in of this product with accompanying foty of Vladimir Putin for added menace and gravitas
They were drinking the value brand of oven cleaner which was administered by a non professional.
link to sputniknews.com
link to en.m.wikipedia.org
Glamaig says:
Anything seems possible with this bunch of halfwits.
IMO it come down to what is most important to the Tories right now.
1) Power? To stay in power they need the DUP. NI is causing the Tories a lot of grief …
link to archive.is
… a majority would free them from the DUP. Winning more seats improves their mandate.
2) Brexit? What type of Brexit do they really want? If it’s hard then only they will take that route. The DUP would back a ‘no deal’ crash out. So they won’t need a GE if a very hard Brexit is their objective. However, a simply way to achieve a soft(er) Brexit would be to lose a GE! One way out of the Brexit mess is to hand it to Labour!
3) Their precious Union? I think this is very important to them. If they thought a GE could further damage the SNP, that would be motivation. Also, they would be happy if Labour took SNP seats. Worth considering that if Labour won, IndyRef2 probably wouldn’t happen.
Conclusion …. I think they are aiming for a last minute ‘crash out’ so they don’t need a GE.
Breeks
ah, i see, so badgers home brand is even cheaper and just as effective as tesco’s?
not a lot of people know that
after the gulf war, the section i was with, was tasked with clearing an iraqi munitions dump. (near As Salman, along with the usual uk made 155mm tank rounds and 80mm mortar rounds etc, were numerous anti personal mines of the “bounding betty” type. the inner envelopes of these mines had the ball bearings removed and had been filled with a variety of neurotoxic liquids, eg, soman, sarin etc. these cases of mines had been stacked high in wooden boxes in the iraqi desert for over a decade and these mine’s metal casings had corroded over time resulting in the liquid spilling out.
destroying these mines, and their contents meant opening the boxes, laying out the mines in rows and overlaying them with high energy (old fashioned but effective) bangalore torpedo explosives.
link to youtube.com
Doing this in summer, in the desert, wearing a gas mask(nb taking a drink of water using a gas mask with no water inlet point, is an adventure in itself !!!) and full a charcole NBC suit, has given me a good understanding of the nature and effects of neurotoxic chemicals.
it also helped my sense of humour, dry and caustic
The stupidity just keeps coming
Anas Sarwar who’s awarded himself a big medal for championing the cause of anti racism says if anyone’s racist to him they must lose their job be fired resign or all of the above
except if they’re racist towards Humza Yousaf then they must be given a chance to change and reform
Helluva guy Anas eh
More on Irish border conundrum for TMay ….
link to computerweekly.com
link to civilserviceworld.com