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The trouble with Corbyn

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  1. Legerwood says:

    bugsbunny @ 9.55 pm

    Well it is the Signal Corps that she honours with her presence is it not?

  2. bowanarrow says:

    He doesn’t seem to take on board the obvious,
    the wealth that Scotland generates.
    Of course he doesn’t mind Ireland being
    independent of course he doesn’t they don’t
    have the natural resources that Scotland
    has. Or is that too obvious…..come on.!!
    (I am sorry if someone else has stated this I
    came home late.)
    This has nothing to do with socialism and
    everything to do with capitalism.

  3. galamcennalath says:

    yesindyref2 says:

    defence spending was worth a coefficient of 60% to the economy, on average

    It would be interesting to know how the UK’s current defence spending of ~£45billion works out, coefficient wise, for the different nations of the UK.
    i.e. What percentage of Scotland’s ~£4billion contribution finds its way back into the Scottish economy?

  4. K1 says:

    Rev’s viewing figures completely make a lie of this statement:

    ‘Lurkers” are probably bored to death by the rantings of the Messiah and don’t bother to come back, in my humble opinion.’

    Not so much ‘truth always’ as nasty wee shite who stalks Robert Peffers’ every word so’s he can slag him off when the urge takes him. Eh?

    Also, the ‘truth’ has ‘always’ been that many have commented thanking Mr Peffers (tae you) for his insight and dedication to Scotland’s self determination and for his wealth of knowledge about Scotland’s history. The same can never be said of yersel.

    Awa’n slink under yersel where ye came fae.

  5. yesindyref2 says:

    Yes, it’d be interesting. Not sure if an “impartial” analysis has been done, figures from both sides would differ wildly -:)

    I did cheat slightly for easiness, the 60% relates to the total annual defence spend, but I used it just for capital expenditure. Since both carrier and F35 do get built in the UK, it seemed fair enough, maybe even an underestimate.

  6. Dave McEwan Hill says:

    The BBC is working its bollocks of in the news where we are to undermine the good news about record Scottish employment and lowest unemployment in thirty years.

    Managed to forget to mention at all that the figures were significantly better than England’s.

  7. Cactus says:

    Oooooh, new page… 500+

    Love Scotland X

    Peace Always X




  8. Cactus says:




  9. Smallaxe says:

    Dave McEwen Hill;

    We all feel as if we’re banging our heads off a brick wall at times Dave, don’t let them grind you down we’ll get there.

    This from the Rev’s Twitter, hope it works. I like it.

  10. yesindyref2 says:

    Okey-dokey, here’s my contribution(s) as probably 2 parts.

    The importance of Robert Peffer’s postings part 1

    The history of the United Kindgom of Great Britain and its formation in 1707 (Ireland was not officially a part of the name back in 1707, not in fact until 1801), is that what was put together can be disassembled. It’s the way that it’s disassembled that is vital in terms of treaties, rights, debts – and assets, to the disassembled parts.

    Back in 2012 and before, previous works had established that there were 3 ways – secession, separation or dissolution. And each had different consequences for each part. Scotland “leaving” the UK would be done in basic terms in 1 of these 3 ways.

    The Crawford & Boyle paper in January 2013 was the very first of the infamous UK Gov white papers, and that highlights its importance to the rUK Gov. Basically they considered the 3 methods – which in itself gives each credibility – and dismissed 2 of them, leaving only secession as the route they maintained would be the actual way.

    But secession leaves Scotland with nothing, just the shirts on our backs, and the CONTINUING UK (cUK) gets the lot.

    Knowing the history of 1707, and the preceding events, gives Indy supporters means to challenge this one-sided view that the UK propaganda machine would want us, or at least the unknowing population of Scotland, to believe. According to them we are secessionists, and Scotland would leave the UK, leaving it intact and us going away with nothing. Kind of like that TV show with Anne thing, the Weakest Link, “You leave with nothing”. Well fuck that for a game of redcoated soldiers.

  11. Cactus says:

    Get yerselves a pair of Wings

    It’s good fur ye..



  12. Cactus says:

    RHS opposite the podgamer!


    Look to the right > > >

    Glasgow quality.

  13. Liz g says:

    Smallaxe @ 10.09
    I would leave if I was in a position to
    I don’t blame anyone in the slightest if they do
    I mean democracy is the best system we have developed but it still assumes that 99 idiots make a better decision than one informed person
    I have actually told my lot if Scotlands people are too stupid to get out this time round …..leave.
    Even if it’s only to avoid being a “resource ” for Westminster.
    They would,they have said “intend” to come back to an Indy Scotland, but life tends to get in the way so who knows?
    Especially if it took too long or wasn’t peaceful..
    I am no in a position to leave and would never stop trying to free Scotland .
    But I know enough about where Westminster will take us,if we let them to forewarn my kids.
    So if we ever get to walking in their shoes….. I am really no blood and soil, this is a great wee country aye! But I couldn’t eat a whole one.

  14. yesindyref2 says:

    The importance of Robert Peffer’s postings part 2

    This of course is the Sovereignty of the People of Scotland. We have it. From the Declaration of Arbroath in 1320, to the Claim of Right in 1689, through the Claim of RIght of the Consitutional Convention in 1989 – 300 years later. And very curiously and little known about, to the 2012 motion in Holyrood passionately put forward by one DFM Nicola Sturgeon of the SNP, the duly elected majority Government of Scotland.

    Motion passed (from memory) with over 100 votes for (I forget if the TGories voted against – who cares). A slight amendment by I think Patricia Fergusson of Labour, and this needs to be checked, secured their vote and the LibDems.

    Perhaps the 2012 motion is the most important and relevant of the lot, and the least discussed.

    Basically anyway, it sets the stage that the People of Scotland are beholden to no government or monarch, it’s the other way around.

    And add the context of Sturgeon saying that it’s up to the People of Scotland if we want another Referendum. Well, yes, it is. We are Sovereign.

  15. Cactus says:

    “Get rhythm.. c’mon, when you… hit the blues.”

    Remembers, the meaning of life.. is to LEARN. That’s it and all!

    Never forget it, learn it and know it.

    It’s wiki-wiki Wednesday:

    Jaunt noun:
    “A short excursion for pleasure or refreshment; a ramble; a short journey.”

    Ramble on.

  16. Smallaxe says:

    Liz g,

    I’m sorry, but I have to agree with you Liz, I’m going nowhere but as for family, especially the younger ones, I’ll show them what they are up against prepare them and then it’s up to them, their decision.

    For some others, it won’t be their decision and that is what makes me ashamed and angry at the fact that we can not welcome whoever we want into our own country and I find it hard to look those in that predicament in the eye.

    “life’s what happens when you’re busy making other plans”
    John Lennon”

    Anyway Liz, we’re still here and we’re still fighting and I think that we will win.

  17. Cactus says:

    There’s only one Corbyn..

    Not long tae go now future iScotland.

  18. heedtracker says:

    Dave McEwan Hill says:
    16 August, 2017 at 10:36 pm
    The BBC is working its bollocks of in the news where we are to undermine the good news about record Scottish employment and lowest unemployment in thirty years.

    BBC r4 has been more than just nauseatingly repellent boosting and defending Orange Hitler. All of its no doubt to cover for Teresa and her merry band of scumbags, who were the first in the west to kiss Orange Hitler’s ring.

    But BBC r4 is the torygraph on the UKOK radiowaves. They are such a hateful crew of tory propagandists though, really shitty bunch of tory creeps.

    What’s been going in the US, since Orange Hitler got in,

  19. Cactus says:

    Who wants a multi-pass?

    Aka EU passport.

    Think about that bad boy.

    Exactly PAX.

    Hey Smallaxe.. soon.

  20. heedtracker says:

    Never seen “spunked” in an English tabloid before.

    Susie Bonnieface likes JC but these hulks for the exporting of GB death to people in hot countries that cant fight back, actually in teamGB, are all Crash Gordo’s jizzing away of borrowed cash mountains.

    “Then we’ve the case of our new £3bn aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth – bunting at the ready, please – which has sailed into Portsmouth and will be the scourge of the seas and terror of whoever we don’t like this week.

    Except it’s a) three years late b) we couldn’t decide which planes to buy so they’re still in the box and c) its jets are currently on loan from and crewed by a squadron of US Marines. Our own jets and their crews won’t be fully operational until 2023.

    Added to which, we spunked £64m on a new lick of paint for our old helicopter carrier and assault ship HMS Ocean so she could plug the gap and then thought “nah” and scrapped her early.

    So what we’ve done is welcomed, with bunting, a £3bn – or £7bn, including planes – mobile landing strip for the US military which won’t actually be ours to use for another six years.

    Yay! *waves flag*

    No Thanks.

  21. Smallaxe says:

    Seen, Cactus, soon come big man.

  22. Cactus says:

    We own midnight.. think of a song.. tbc.

  23. Cactus says:

    August the 17th of the 2017th.



  24. Robert J. Sutherland says:

    Cactus @ 23:43:

    Who wants a multi-pass?

    Aka EU passport.

    A very good question. The UKGov appears to want everyone in NI to become Irish in order to get a free pass at one of those. (And never mind the rest of us, we just have to knuckle down to England’s will).

    Border problem solved in a jiffy.

    “Justlikethat!” (as Tommy Cooper would say.)

    But then, I invite you to imagine a long queue of NI Orangists (you know, the only people in NI who voted solidly for Leave) queuing patiently outside the Irish Embassy for their precious ticket to border freedom?

    Could this be just the biggest sneakiest wheeze ever for finally solving the thorny problem of Irish Reunification? (And getting NI paws off the UK money tree.)

    Oh, the stuff that dreams are made of…!

  25. Cactus says:

    At what point should we be wise to go to off-topic Smallaxe?

    Let’s go down the bunny hole…

    Are you curious mes amigo 😉

    Let’s go there.

    Feeling PAXish XXX

  26. Liz g says:

    Smallaxe @ 11.36
    Of course we will win
    We have Cactus

  27. Smallaxe says:

    Spiky as a Thistle, Liz, but aren’t we all?

  28. Cactus says:

    Keep on rockin’ in the (almost) free world, planet, thing.

    Scotland is ra fuckin’ best!

    Know this.

    U and now.

    Come in, Dr Jim.

    Whit’s the trouble with Corbyn…?

    Is it purple rain?

    Plus one.

  29. Cactus says:

    Don’t give a fuck anymore..

    Just like you n me.. ah’ve arrived..

    Hi ayeScotland.

    Love U.


    iScotland is everything.

    Love yerself.

  30. Smallaxe says:

    Cactus, ah passed you oan the wye ower here and not wance did ye wave, you fell oot wi’ me?

  31. Cactus says:

    Lovin’ yerself is where it all begins at…

    But don’t forget tae look out for yer guid neighbours on the street.

    Destination iScotland looks fuckin’ amazing!

    YOU are amazing.





  32. Cactus says:

    “For the love of Ivy..” excellent harmonies.

    She’s a real straight shooter.

    Love Scotland X.


  33. Cacus says:

    Factoid folks…

    a) Wings is essential for people that choose to don’t watch television or buy the main stream-media….. and learnnnnn to live.

    b) saywhat?

    Follow the links…

    Stay T.

  34. Skip_NC says:

    Greetings from Raleigh, North Carolina, with a special big Hello and Thanks to US Customs for being very gentle with the package in which my fundraising perk came today. I know it was Customs who very carefully slit open the package, because the US Postal Service is never quite so gentle when they’re rifling through stuff. Sadly, that happens more than it should. (I did check with my wife, who confirms that she didn’t open it.)

    I’m pleased to report the goods turned up complete and unharmed.

  35. Cactus says:

    Think ah’ll add Wings to ma list of guilty pleasures…

    Aint nothing wrong with that. Hey Dr J! ur turn.

    Vote Yes Yo!

  36. Smallaxe says:

    Hi, Skip_NC, Pleased to hear you got your stuff, Wings always delivers. 😎

  37. Cactus says:

    Hey Smallaxe, ra peace of mind is excellent boss…

    If only they knew of what we know, then what they knowst heheha.

    Your round Main Thread ~

    Try raw garlic, rev stu C

    See ye on the rebound boss uno.


    ‘Mon the boss.



  38. Cactus says:

    Who Loves Scotland, Thursday….?


  39. Cactus says:

    Remember midnight… comin’ soon.

  40. Cactus says:

    Sticks n Stones…

  41. Cactus says:

    We’ll head them off at the pass!

  42. Cactus says:

    The sheriff is a near…

    I see ‘alive’ people.

    That’s you.

    That is.


  43. Cactus says:


    “You say you you’ve cried a thousand rivers, but now yer swimmin’ fur ra shores ~ by ra BJ”

    Ah’ll B air fur U..

    They say true love is suicide… ahhhhh ha ha ha.. oh?


  44. Cactus says:

    Words can’t say what love can do…

    Ah’ll leave it at that Sco.

    Cheers X.

    Nite X

  45. Cactus says:

    It is really cool to spill out for iScotland.

    You should do it too.


    We good.


  46. yesindyref2 says:

    Don’t know what it is Cactus, but your posts are the best of all.

  47. Cactus says:

    Can and may I just say…

    YOU are fucking excellent!

    Afterall, yer Scottish!


  48. Cactus says:

    Who else would ye want tae be… foonurt come in..?

    X sticks / T Jenny…..

    Callin ye coolies.

  49. Cactus says:

    William Wallace.

    Damn straight.


  50. Cactus says:

    FUN is good yesindyref2.

    You cool dude.


  51. yesindyref2 says:

    Sure is 😎

    Night night

  52. Cactus says:

    Right late night LURKERS, now it’s your turn..

    Start a riot ye yo…

    Dare ye.

    We got yer front, back n sides!

    Ha ha ha trolly suckers.

  53. William Wallace says:

    @ cactus

    Hid tae scroll up an mak sure eh’d no posted something pished there 😉

  54. Cactus says:

    Aweright William Wallace ~

    Likewise.. I challenge maself awe ra time.

    How’s yerself bro?

  55. William Wallace says:

    Ehm braw iz ever – yirsel?

  56. Cactus says:

    Rarin’ tae go bro…

    Ahm fridgebound..

    Here’s tae ye!

  57. Cactus says:

    Pour yerself a wee Thursday hauf Scotland…

    Whoever has the means..

    Ah’ll join ye.

  58. William Wallace says:

    Happy hunting.

    Ehm deep frying a whole chickun wi chorizo, bacon, onion, garlic an stuffing right up it’s erse. Smelling fine tae 🙂 First time eh’ve trehd it.

  59. Cactus says:

    Sweet, ahm chowin’ ma way thru a spicy chorizo ring thing same.

    Until tommorow, make that today.

    Hunt ye well bro, enjoy the tastiness..

    Good morning, morning!

  60. William Wallace says:

    hame made coleslaw and a but o lettice and tamatae. Sensational. Recipe on request guys. Ait that like an animul.

  61. Cactus says:

    Ra Scottish patter is ra best.

    Ye cannae beat it, can ye!

    “Haul you!”

  62. William Wallace says:

    You tae Cactus.

    Morning hiz nae right tae impede upon the nicht like this. Lang live the the nicht and – boo tae tha morning crew 😉

  63. Cactus says:

    “Long live ra night…”

    There’s a song in there somewhere.

    Ah’ll drink tae that aye!

    Mornin’ comes. mornin’ goes..

    Night stays.

  64. Cactus says:

    Ah’ve just uncorked a new Talisker…

    HELP & FUCK! in that order.

    Ye know whit they call it, “the talki…”

    “Jeremy’s Spoken”

  65. Cactus says:

    Avec ICE X.

  66. Cactus says:

    “I see my Mary Anne walking away…”

    What a line!


  67. Cactus says:

    Have an excellent Thursday Scotland.

    You’re SO cool you.

    It’s the 17th!

    Nite x.

  68. Ghillie says:

    Nite nite Cactus = )

    Have a lovely Thursday too 🙂

    ps That’s for everybody!

  69. indy says:

    Wings is soooooooooooooooooo borin now

  70. indy says:

    Posts are for too long.

    Some posts are half a book long.

  71. indy says:

    Roll on IndyRef2

  72. Robert Peffers says:

    @Smallaxe says: 16 August, 2017 at 2:22 pm:

    “Robert Peffers, I hope you don’t mind but I’ve archived your link to the Scotsman as some people won’t click on it otherwise.
    The Scotsman
    Sir if I may be so bold but arguing the point with coprolite is a waste of your valuable time, Sensei Peffers.”

    Mind? Why would I mind, Smallaxe? I’m pleased that you did so. I had to change my ISP and the new one has a list of websites they prevent access to and, “Archive This”, is among them.

    As were several other totally innocent political websites. I was unable to get out due to hospital appointments and my helper is employed for his brawn – not his brain. Plus the fact I struggle to decipher voices over phone lines.

    I have, just this week, managed to get my new ISP to clear their restricted list so will, in future, archive things again.

    BTW: Thank you for the inclusion of the term, “coprolite”. I had to look that one up and that is a rare occurrence. Always good to extend the vocabulary.

  73. Smallaxe says:

    Robert Peffers;

    I’m glad to have been of help, sir, I hope you have a good day.

  74. Liz Rannoch says:

    @ Smallaxe and Robert Peffers

    For those of you wondering, coprolite is fossilised poo. I first came across this some 25 years ago at ‘Treasures of the Earth’ in Fort William.

    Strange how we’re still having to deal with it today – lots of it in WM.

  75. Smallaxe says:

    Liz Rannoch,

    Good morning, Liz, yes that is exactly what coprolite is and we dealt with some very quickly last night.We are the late night shifters of coprolite.
    🙂 Have a lovely day Liz, the sun is shining down here in the south of Scotland

  76. Robert Peffers says:

    @Tinto Chiel says: 16 August, 2017 at 8:28 pm:

    “Robert Peffers, if you’re well and about: could you outline the extent to which you think the Scottish people are sovereign?
    For the avoidance of doubt.”

    It is a tall order and a very complex matter to cover. It is, of course really a simple matter but the Westminster Establishment, as usual, complicate everything they want to hide from the people of Scotland. They leave it in plain view but surrounded it by so much gobbledegook that ormal folk cannot see the facts.

    ” … I keep hearing this annoying mosquito-like sound in my ears from time to time.”

    You will be pleased to know that you are not suffering Tinnitus, Tinto Chiel. Everyone else is hearing that mosquito-like sound too.

    Perhaps the best way to prove that the Scottish people are legally sovereign is to quote a couple of modern law examples which show that Scottish law still observes the sovereign rights of the people of Scotland.

    The first one is the ancient Scottish people’s right to roam. There is no English style trespass law in Scotland because, as a sovereign people, the people and not the crown, own Scotland.

    A landowner cannot prevent anyone from access to their, “Private”, land. Yet you will still find notices, “Trespassers will be prosecuted”, and even gamekeepers with guns turning people away.

    There are restrictions on such as military bases, railways and so on but these are actually safety issues. There are also Scottish laws of personal privacy but these only apply in close proximity to dwellings. Prince Charles attempted to prevent the public from access to ancient rights of way across Balmoral Estate. He failed in court.

    The only other thing a landowner can legally do is sue for damages to the property but this usually results in them winning the case that costs them thousands in legal fees and they only get token damages in pence.

    Then there is the unauthorised clamping of vehicles on private land. It is legal in England for landowners to clamp or tow away parked vehicles but only the police or other authorised people can do so in Scotland.

    Under the Scots law of, “coercion”, it is illegal to clamp or tow away a parked vehicle and demand a fee to release it back to the owner of the vehicle.

    Coercion is equivalent to the English law of Blackmail and in Scotland, to demand payment with the threat of legal action is classed as coercion. The clamper or towing persons are the criminals and not the parked vehicle’s owners.

    BTW: This coercion also applies to the BBC’s debt collectors who threaten people with legal action if they do not pay a TV Licence Fee. It also prevents them, “Investigating”, in the close proximity of private dwellings.

    Which explains why Licence Fee prosecutions in Scotland are very few and far between while much more successful in the Kingdom of England’s three countries.

    So there you go – The Sovereignty of the people of Scotland is in everyday use in Scotland.

    Another phrase that is redundant in Scotland is, “The Queen’s Highway”, because the people, not the crown, own the highways of Scotland.

    Yet I’d bet, when faced with a notice that declares, “Trespassers will be prosecuted”, or a Gamekeeper with a loaded shotgun, that your average Scot will turn and walk away and that Gamekeeper with the loaded gun will think he has the law on his side.

    But, “They”, do not want you to know that.

    You will also come across articles that attempt to cloud the issue by claiming there are two kinds of Sovereignty. Namely, “legal”, and, “political”.

    Political sovereignty is a total myth but is practiced by the Westminster Establishment who claim that the United Kingdom Parliament has political sovereignty over Scottish law.

    Such a concept has really never been tested in a legitimate court and the Westminster Supreme Court really needs to be challenged on that matter.

  77. Dave McEwan Hill says:

    Smallaxe at 8.13
    Or “tough shit” as it sometimes described.

  78. Liz Rannoch says:

    @ Smallaxe

    Thank you and well done! What a team!

    Sun was out here in Dunfermline but looks like it’s going to pour any minute.

    Have a wonderful day Smallaxe and all Wingers of course.

  79. Dorothy Devine says:

    Good morning one and all – a day which started at 6a.m with bright sunshine and now it looks as though we will have a disgusting day just like yesterday, webbed feet required.

    Cactus do you ever sleep ?Or lose that fantastic optimism?

    Liz, you will be ashamed of me as I have just finished ironing ten shirts – however , I took your advise about my own wardrobe so should you see a crumpled wummin’ at the next rally , it will most likely be me.

    Love the definition by Dave of ‘tough shit’ for coprolite – a properly posh word introduced by Smallaxe.

    What an enlightening bunch Wingers are!

  80. Smallaxe says:

    Dave McEwan Hill,:-)

    Liz Rannoch. Thank you.

    Tinto Chiel,” … I keep hearing this annoying mosquito-like sound in my ears from time to time.”

    As Mr. Peffers says,”Everyone else is hearing that mosquito-like sound too.”

    It’s just the sound of coprolite drying up and rolling away.
    No worries! 🙂

  81. Ghillie says:

    Liz Rannoch, Smallaxe and Robert Peffers, thank you for that !


    I am definitely going to have fun using that = )

    The amazingly useful word, not the actual fossilised you know what 🙂

    It could become a twitter # !!

  82. Smallaxe says:

    Dorothy Devine, Good morning, Dorothy, 10 shirts ironed, well done. I iron my own shirts and things too, while Mrs. Smallaxe gets on with more important things, like?…I’ll ask her.

    Btw, Have you ever went into an ironmonger and asked if they could monger you an iron? Great fun!

  83. Ghillie says:

    Hey Rev Stu,

    How are you doing?

    Have a lovely day, take it easy, the bears are occupied with some honeycomb thingy so you can just relax and get well soon = )

  84. Aikenheed says:

    @ Robert Peffers 8.33

    Excellent Robert
    Your post should become a leaflet “Scottish Sovereignty for the Layman”


  85. Smallaxe says:

    Ghillie says:

    I am definitely going to have fun using that = )”

    Good morning, Ghillie, have a lot of fun it keeps the spirit happy. 🙂

  86. Golfnut says:

    @ Smallaxe and Robert Peffers.

    Thanks for posting the article in the Scotsman.

    Telling, is it not that a Professor of Intellectual History should include the Union of the Crowns in his article but fail to articulate its non occurrence in law. As you know the proposal was rejected by both Scotland and England’s Parliaments. I doubt that the Treaty of Union would have been necessary, or indeed that the Treaty would have specifically outlined the Treaty as between the Kingdom of Scotland and the Kingdom of England. Scotland is of course the senior of the 2 Kingdoms.

    Such omissions have contributed greatly to the people of Scotland’s ignorance of the reality of their power, and which Westminster fears.

  87. Famous15 says:

    On GMS. Now does anyone know the Trump supporter, John from Aberdeen? He is always on GMS. He sounds like a very right wing Tory?

    Who is he. We should be told.

  88. Smallaxe says:

    Aikenheed says:
    @ Robert Peffers 8.33

    “Excellent Robert
    Your post should become a leaflet”

    Good morning, Aikenheed, a leaflet? An encyclopedia would be a more suitable tome for Mr. Peffersand his words of wisdom.

    “Wings an 8th wonder of the world” and made available in all Yooniversities!

  89. Tinto Chiel says:

    Robert Peffers @8.33.

    Thanks for the morning elucidation, sir. Hope you are well. Have cancelled my appointment with the ear doctor 😀 .

    Meanwhile, in other news, I noticed at the newsagent this morning that The Herald has a headline on MP Jo Swinson and alleged non-declaration of recent election expenses.

    Hope the voters of East Dunbartonshire are taking note (again).

    *Sighs, shakes head*

  90. Bill McLean says:

    Liz – beautiful out here at Newmills. The sun only shines on etc…… tee hee!

  91. Liz Rannoch says:

    @ Dorothy Devine 8.50

    10?! Tsk,tsk. You mad woman, you.

    Talking of rallies, there’s actually going to be one here, in Dunfermline, a week on Saturday. Can’t actually believe it, nothing like that normally happens here. I did mention it a couple of weeks or so ago. Now it appears that buses from Dundee, Edinburgh and Ardrossan (?) have been requested. Please see:

    Seems that ‘trouble’ JC is going to be in Kirkcaldy on the same day, hmmm? Any Wingers from the area going?

  92. Famous15 says:

    Earlier on clamping,the crime that stops landowners in Scotland is called”extortion” ot coercion

  93. Robert Peffers says:

    Media where we are in full Scotland is shite mode today:

    “As teenagers in England, Wales and Northern Ireland begin to find out their A-level results, universities are reporting a fall in the number of places so far allocated.”

    That is the real story but is reported by Radio Jockland with a headline of simply:-

    “University Entries down on A-Level day.”

    No mention that this news item applies to only the Kingdom of England countries and their A-Level students and their Universities.

    Thus by implication they imply that it is a United Kingdom wide decrease in University applications.

  94. AndyH says:


    Is he the same anti-SNP one they’ve had coming on for years?

    I’m sure he must be on every second day.

  95. Smallaxe says:

    Golfnut says:
    @ Smallaxe and Robert Peffers.
    “Thanks for posting the article in the Scotsman. Such omissions have contributed greatly to the people of Scotland’s ignorance of the reality of their power, and which Westminster fears.”

    Good morning, Golfnut, hopefully, the people of Scotland will not remain ignorant for much longer, more and more of us are seeing the truth daily on WoS.
    Good morning, Famous15, we’ll hunt this John from Aberdeen down and enlighten him. 🙂

  96. I have read some of the older posts about the Reinhard Heydrich quote.
    But I believe the Anschluss between Germany and Austria in 1938 has also a great deal of
    relevance to Scotland’s situation.

    I can’t find the quote, but I am certain I read in some history book, that when Hitler visited the Austria capital Linz, after the Anschluss, he announced that Austria nolonger exists as an independent state and was now part of Germany proper.

  97. Smallaxe says:


    “The Herald”

    You’re welcome. 🙂

  98. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

    Could the ‘John from Aberdeen’ you talk of @Famous15 says at 9:17 am be this guy?

    He’d fit the bill of a Trump supporter and very right wing Tory.

    Just the kind Radio Shortbread have on speed dial for all things EssEnnPeeBaaad.

  99. cearc says:

    Liz Rannoch,

    I hope thousands will go. (Not me unfortunately). Keep plugging it, I hadn’t seen it before.

    Is Ronnie doing a Wings stall?

  100. AndyH says:

    Could it be him?

    That face fits the voice, as it were.

  101. Smallaxe says:

    Peter McCulloch, Good morning, Peter, this doesn’t have the quote that you mention but I think it may be relevant.

    New York Times: 1985

    What Made Austria Welcome Hitler;

  102. Smallaxe says:

    Dunfermline: Lot’s to see for those who are going!

    Enjoy, undiscovered Scotland

  103. yesindyref2 says:

    From the Herald: “Massive fire engulfs Blochairn Fruit Market just off M8 in Glasgow” (alarm at 3.44 a.m.)

    Not on BBC / STV / Sky news, anyone got any other sources of current news, I go there once or twice a year?

  104. Ghillie says:


    Fruitmarket fire on STV online news.

    Sounds catastrophic for the traders. Could they create another temporary venue or is it just too huge?

  105. Smallaxe says:

    The mainstream media has buried the latest evidence about the Tories’ shameful record in power [IMAGES];

  106. galamcennalath says:

    ” Brexit: EU trade talks ‘may not happen until Christmas’, Cabinet fears” [text only]

    Sufficient progress must be made on Ireland, EU citizens’ rights, and the divorce bill.

    I don’t see much progress at all. Some simplistic wishful thinking from the UK and some grumbling noises from the EU.

  107. Dave McEwan Hill says:

    Andrew O’Hagan’s brilliant dissertation on his journey to YES in today’s National has reduced me to tears. There’ll be nae jokes till lunch time

  108. call me dave says:

    Aah! Charlie Wolf dog whistle defender of all things republican not managing to convince listeners about the Donald’s good points on ‘Your Call’

    A regular on all that’s BBC North and South of the wall.

    Plus John from Aberdeen too. Jings they must be on speed dial.

  109. Robert Peffers says:

    @Golfnut says: 17 August, 2017 at 9:09 am:

    “Telling, is it not that a Professor of Intellectual History should include the Union of the Crowns in his article but fail to articulate its non occurrence in law.”

    The really telling thing is that Scottish history has been suppressed and some of what is actually taught in our schools is total myth.

    I’d bet there are few Scots who do not know the false history of Bruce and the spider. There is absolutely no substance whatsoever in this myth. The story did not appear until a very long time after Bruce was dead. It is an invention, a fairy tale a myth, a fiction.

    Yet a while back, here on wings, I posted a, far from extensive, list of the battles between the Kingdoms of Scotland and England during only the first Scottish wars of independence.

    Just to emphasis how much of our history is suppressed, here are a couple of cite for historic battles:-

    Now Wingers – tell us how many of these battles you have never even heard of?
    How about this one:-

  110. Dave McEwan Hill says:

    There must be pages missing from today’s Record and Express. Couldn’t find any mention of the hugely encouraging Scottish employment figures in either of them. I’ll have to hang about the supermarket paper rack a bit longer to see if any other paper has pages missing.

  111. Clydebuilt says:

    O/T. Last night on the 10.30 pm STV news. The East coast edition main article covered the new floating wind turbines, the West / Central Scotland edition covered a social health care issue.

    The East coast edition covers developtments in N. Sea oil which are not broadcast to West coast viewers. Is this because STV think it’s West coast audience have no interest in oil or is it to keep the scale of Scotland’s oil hidden from folk in the West?

    Whatever their reasoning the latter is the effect!

  112. ronnie anderson says:

    @ cearc Im trying to get a late holiday deal for my Wife & myself, thats why I haven’t committed to going to Dunfermline .

  113. yesindyref2 says:

    I hope nobody’s hurt. Thanks for the heads-up on STV online.

    From the photos there it looks like the fruit market will be at least shut down for days, weeks, and maybe even destroyed. There’s a road goes halfway up, some warehouses one side, some the other, and one through the side nearest the M8, but if fire has spread through the roof, it could all be unsafe.

    Offhand can’t think of any replacement, but somewhere will have to be found. It’ll be a real emergency.

    It’s not just greengrocers go there, there’s fruit and veg firms that collect and distribute to small shops. And some small shops go weekly to get stuff, I know one who travels about 100 miles on a Wednesday, and others go there regularly.

    At 3.45 the article says people starting shifts, but all places would be open at that time, I’ve been there 2 or 3 a.m. in the past. Deliveries come in all the time by big lorries, up to maybe 6.

    The problem for a replacement will be cold storage.

  114. winifred mccartney says:

    Funny when unemployment figures in Scotland so good, just a brief mention on RS but added on ‘they have also fallen in England’. Does this mean that every time something in Scotland is good eg nhs figures they will tell us that England is worse? Disreporting Scotland indeed.

    I see RD says ‘for shame’ at Trump and nazi salutes etc funny I don’t remember her ‘shame’ at the nazi salutes in George Sq in 2014.

  115. yesindyref2 says:

    The last picture doesn’t look too bad mind, let’s hope it can re-open soon once the rest is made safe.

  116. Famous15 says:

    Could I emphasise that my only interest in “John from Aberdeen” is the frequency of his appearance on GMS and my suspicion that he is aTory Apparatchic in which case we should be told. The fact that I persomally find his opinions loathesome is not in issue. FOI is possibly an option.

    We will only get “peace always” with Scottish Independence and I feel it is not far off given the frantic bile and frothing at the mouth of the inglorious Tories of all colour.

  117. Clydebuilt says:

    @ Dave McEwan Hill . . . Nae jokes till lunch time . . . . Might be a good idea . . . Salmond’s joke was carp . . .

  118. Liz Rannoch says:

    @ Bill McLean 9.25

    Beautiful here again. ‘Don’t like the weather in Scotland?’ Just wait a minute!

    @ cearc 9.53

    1000s? Can’t see it myself unfortunately. I mentioned it as I said and asked folk here to spread the word as I’m not on FB or twitter. I would love it to be really big to counteract JC, but even if it is, it’ll probably be ignored by the usual suspects.

    Sorry, I don’t know Ronnie and haven’t heard whether Wings’ll be there. I just occasionally post on here although I ‘lurk’ mostly on a daily basis.

  119. yesindyref2 says:

    The last picture doesn’t look too bad mind, let’s hope it can Sturgeon’s on it (from twitter): “This will be a devastating blow for many people and businesses. My thoughts with all affected.”

    See how it is, but it might need SG help.

    On Radio Clyde News apparently, just going to look online.

  120. Bill McLean says:

    Dave McEwan Hill – page 2 of today’s Express has all the stats about the employment/unemployment figures. Please don’t imagine that I read it but my Brummy wife does and she can read between the lines too!

  121. TheItalianJob says:

    @Robert Peffers

    Many thanks for your recent enlightening articles on Scottish Sovereignty.

    Real education.

    Also archived your link Skylander to Scottish battles with as bit of history thrown in.

    Excellent reference.

  122. Smallaxe says:

    Famous15 says:

    “We will only get “peace always” with Scottish Independence ”

    I wholeheartedly agree.

    😎 (incognito, just in case/Hammers!)

  123. TheItalian Job says:


    Many thanks for your links this morning.

    Good information.

  124. Liz Rannoch says:

    @ Smallaxe 10.04

    Only thing about all the braw stuff here, is that it’s all just off the main route that the rally will follow!

    @ Clydebuilt – ‘Salmond’s joke was carp’… see further upthread…. Salmonds joke was coprolite.

  125. yesindyref2 says:

    Blochairn is just a minute or two from the M8 in both directions. The only temporary replacement I could think of offhand is the Euro complex off the M8 near the cinema, that’s near the M74 as well, and a beautifully modernised and reopened Mway connection running around.

    Maybe there’s some unoccupied warehouse space there could be commandeered, with a shuttle bus to get workers there.

  126. TheItalianJob says:


    Good morning and thanks for your links.

  127. yesindyref2 says:

    Blochairn – an “explosion” then fire. Stands themselves are unlikely, but there is a candle / oils I think shop, plus the toilet and shower block which would have a boiler, and maybe mains gas but maybe butane / propane.

  128. yesindyref2 says:

    Plus a bacon roll shop / cafe on the corner (as well as the one near the road which doesn’t seem to have been affected).

  129. yesindyref2 says:

    Clyde 1 news (very short item) says “parts” destroyed, so that at least is promising for the rest.

  130. Smallaxe says:

    Bill McLean;
    I can’t find anything good in this, Bill. I’m off for a shower!

    The Ex-press/Scotland baad.

  131. Smallaxe says:

    TheItalianJob says:
    17 August, 2017 at 11:01 am

    “Good morning and thanks for your links”

    Thank you, TheItalianJob but be careful;

  132. @Smallaxe
    17 August, 2017 at 9:57 am

    Good morning to you Smallaxe, thanks for the link
    its very much appreciated

    I hope you are keeping well.

  133. Capella says:

    @ Peter McCulloch et al – still tracking down the Heydrich quote. It pops up in many odd places e.g. a Czech Museum in Texas. But never a source.

    The Czech writer Milan Kundera refers to the technique re the Soviet occupation:

    “When a big power wants to deprive a small country of its national consciousness it uses the method of organized forgetting . This is what is currently happening in Bohemia. Contemporary Czech literature, insofar as it has any value at all, has not been printed for 12 years; 200 Czech writers have been proscribed, including the dead Franz Kafka; 145 Czech historians have been dismissed from their posts, history has been rewritten, monuments demolished. A nation which loses awareness of its past gradually loses its self. And so the political situation has brutally illuminated the ordinary metaphysical problem of forgetting that we face all the time, every day, without paying any attention. Politics unmasks the metaphysics of private life, private life unmasks the metaphysics of politics.” (1980)

    An odd forum called paradoxplaza (no idea what it’s about) has an interesting discussion. See the comment at 14.46 by Kurfurst:

    “Right from the start, higher education in czech was forbidden to deprive czech nation of future elites.
    Major czech companies were through a combination of arization (nationalization of non-german, primarily Jewish property), currency manipulation and forced buying of govenment bonds taken over by german capital.
    Signs and public announcements in general were strictly bilingual, first in german, then in czech.
    Volksdeutsche from Bukovina, Banat, Bessarabia or South Tirol were settled on land taken from Czechs, mostly in the areas to be germanized first, as denoted in the plan. Various creative schemes were utilized to take over that land, but the most common one was the expansion of military training grounds. Villages were designed to become military training ground, people were evacuated and in a couple of months, Germans from elsewhere were settled there.
    Marriages between German nationals and germanizable Czechs were encouraged by interest-free loans and larger rations.”

    If you have more time on your hands, there’s an article about nation states post WW2 and the rise of national liberation movements:

    “During the postwar period (1945–73) more than 1.5 billion people have thrown off the colonial and semicolonial yoke, and more than 70 new nation-states have emerged. With the existence of two world systems and a new relationship of forces in the world arena, the peoples enslaved by imperialism have won independence by nonmilitary means (India, Sri Lanka, and most of the African countries), as well as by armed struggle (for example, Indonesia and Algeria).”

    Many parallels to our own experience in Bonnie Scotland. If I ever find the origin of the Heydrich quote I’ll post it!

  134. TheItalianJob says:


    Ha Ha

    I will take care.

    Many thanks and hope you are keeping well.

    Scotland needs you and people of your like in an Independent Scotland.


  135. galamcennalath says:

    Robert Peffers says:

    Just to emphasis how much of our history is suppressed

    When it comes to the suppression of history, the Battle of Roslin 1303, is an interesting one.

    Some sources put the level of the English losses to be on a par with Stirling Bridge or even Bannockburn.

    So why has virtually no one heard of it?

    A simple explanation may be that it was won by John Comyn Lord of Badenoch and Lochaber. He became Robert Bruce’s main rival and of course was murdered by Bruce in Greyfriars Church in Dumfries.

    The obvious conclusion is the importance of the Battle of Roslin was suppressed by the winning Bruce faction even prior to the wider suppression of all things Scottish!

  136. TheItalianJob says:


    Good post and how appropriate for Scotland’s present and past situation.

    We need to change people’s prospective on the UK and concentrate on our own history and culture otherwise we are lost.

  137. Smallaxe says:

    Peter McCulloch says:,
    17 August 2017 at 11:27 am
    17 August, 2017 at 9:57 am

    “Good morning to you Smallaxe, thanks for the link
    its very much appreciated

    I hope you are keeping well.”

    I’m doing ok, thank you, for asking Peter, WoS boosts my chemo and my spirit. Here’s another wee link;

    SIC: A broken umbrella?;

  138. colin alexander says:

    “We will only get “peace always” with Scottish Independence”.

    Is that independence with a UK Monetary Union (sharing the £)? (He who holds the purse strings holds the power).

    Is that independence with membership of the EU and possibly Euro Monetary Union?

    Or is it the independence I have repeatedly suggested and which the 2014 Indyref really offered: Parliamentary Sovereignty for Holyrood: Independence from Westminster Parliament. ( But YES called it full independence).

    The SNP support membership of the EU. The whole indyref2 issue is linked to being taken out the EU against Scotland’s will.

    The SNP are negotiating an EU leaving strategy with the UK Govt. They have offered to drop indyref2 if Scotland can remain in the Single Market.

    So, the SNP have been attempting to negotiate away the manifesto pledge of EU membership or it triggers an indyref if the UK tries to take Scotland out.

    This year the SNP have been attempting to negotiate away Scotland’s EU membership and the manifesto pledge to hold an indyref – IF the UK Govt will make Single Market concessions.

    Indyref2 has been shelved till at least Autumn 2018. It’s not going to happen at all if the SNP get the concessions they seek.

    The SNP don’t WANT an indyref. So, good for the SNP. I don’t want one either.
    It’s a stupid idea.

    Referendums without a free media are a stupid idea. Indyref’s Project Fear proved that. EURef’s Project Fear (The Leave campaign) proved that.

    Referendums when the media, politicians and political campaigns can lie with impunity, are a waste of time.

    It’s impossible for the general public to get enough unbiased information to make an informed decision.

    Many people on here are as biased as the pro-WM people. Any true fact that does not suit their pro-SNP agenda is ignored or attacked – no different from many BritNats’ mentality.

    For those who do care about making the best decision, not one based on loyalties to a political party, it’s nigh on impossible to decifer fact from fiction, fact from estimate, fact from prediction.

    That’s why an independence vote should be decided by the professionals, the trained liars. Those who are the experts on spin and gloss, smoke and mirrors: the professional politicians.

    Independence should be a decision made by our elected representatives.

    Indyref is not greater democracy; it’s passing the buck.

  139. @Capella
    17 August, 2017 at 11:28 am

    Like many posters I wish you good luck
    with your search in finding the source of
    the Heydrich quote.

    And thanks for the links you have provided.

  140. yesindyref2 says:

    Missed that on the STV online “Authorities are believed to be investigating whether the fire began in a refrigerated area used to store meat.”.

  141. Dave McEwan Hill says:

    Bill McLean at 10.40
    Must have missed page 2 as I quickly skimmed through it!

  142. Smallaxe says:

    galamcennalath says:

    “When it comes to the suppression of history, the Battle of Roslin 1303, is an interesting one.”

    Good morning, galamcennalath, I live on the site of this battle;

    The Battle of Sark:
    “The Battle of Sark, The Battle of Sark occurred in 1448 and is the final pitched battle fought between Scotland and England during the period of the Hundred Years War, and also the last battle of the Medieval period between the two countries”

    Every day is a school day on Wings.

  143. yesindyref2 says:

    Trying to figure it out and place it in my mind, and I think that refrigerated row is at the back, so maybe the fruit and veg stands aren’t too affected. Hope so and the fruit market can re-open after the weekend. Those in the middle row wouldn’t be able to use the back entrances I’d think. Being optimistic. And the front row near Blochairn Road would be OK.

    Anyway, nobody was hurt it seems, that’s the main thing. Good people, making an honest living.

  144. galamcennalath says:

    Czechoslovakia and Hydrich. We all know about the German occupation and appeasement. The excuse was that large numbers of ethnic Germans should come under Third Riech rule.

    But what happened to all those Germans in Czechoslovakia after the war? Simple. They were ethnically cleansed, many were murdered.

    3million were forced out of Czechoslovakia. This was part of one of the biggest ethnic cleansing and migration events in human history. 15million ethnic Germans were moved, perhaps 2million were murdered.

    Never was the phrase, ‘two wrongs don’t make a right’, more applicable.

    Yet, most people have absolutely no idea what ‘peace’ in Europe actually brought!–50)

  145. dakk says:

    Get well soon Stuart.

    Try get hold of 30mg Co Codamol.

    A couple of them has got me through many an ailing day at work.

  146. heedtracker says:

    “When a big power wants to deprive a small country of its national consciousness it uses the method of organized forgetting .

    That’s certainly gaining pace today, in contemporary Scotland. Look at The Graun for example. That crew of tory nuts only ever report their hols in Scotland, SNP, tory anything good, red and blue.

    I’m from Aberdeen, and one of the clearest ways of depriving Scots of national consciousness was and is simply by English people moving to Aberdeen.

    With all the foundations of English superiority laid by English media, led by the BBC, English cultural focuses like football, London everything, house prices, social climbing and status, upper middle class English accent, pushing down local Doric and Scots as inferior class based status, perpetually denigration/ignoring of Scottish national achievement, is all part of life in Aberdeen and has been since the 70’s.

    One of the clearest examples of this kind of English centred socio economic domination of my gen was that everyone that could, left Aberdeen for London, straight out of uni and college. Guess what mindset stayed behind, hard core NO votes.

    Clever stuff, UKOK wise.

    Cases in point-

    1. Aberdeen uni made BBC Scotland news top Scottish NHS monstering reporter, Eleanor Bradford, ?Head of Communications at University of Aberdeen. A very glaring yoon loyalty reward, for services to their UK rule by what should be the north east of Scotland’s primary focus for cultural and educational development. Ofcourse its not at all, its a unionist citadel, an middle and upper middle class enclave focused primarily on England. And that’s because its all run by yoons.

    2. BBC Scotland in particular, is quietly erasing Andy Murray from the Scottish psyche today. Only in the Scotland region.

    Anywhere else and Andy Murray would be a huge national hero. Beeb Scotland gimps in particular will ensure that Murray is mostly forgotten in a few years, in Scotland and ofcourse England.

  147. K1 says:

    It’s awright, ahv goat it…



  148. heraldnomore says:

    Meanwhile in UKOK/Brexit Land spitting blood after hearing the fragrant Julia Hartley-Brewer having a gas with the odious Douglas Murray in his role as spokegit for the Henry Jackson Society. Refugees the main topic. Staggering stuff. I’ll try and post a listen again link once the woman goes off air, but it’s not for fun.

    Just a very sharp reminder as to why we have to get out of this place.

  149. colin alexander says:

    Appeasement – that’s SNP strategy.

    Appease pro-indy supporters with manifestos for an indyref.

    Appease the UK Govt by negotiating away Scotland’s vote to Remain in the EU and by attempting to negotiate away the manifesto mandate for indyref2.

  150. Marie Clark says:

    I see everyone has wandered O/T and we’re all over the place with topics. Aye well, when the cat’s away as they say.

    So how is everyone, Smallaxe I see your busy on here just now, good to see that. I hope you are reasonably well at the moment. Nana’s gone AWOL and we all miss her links.

    I’ve been away to Arran for a few days with the much beloved. Now it’s all hands to the pump as our daughter and family are flittin.I dinnae ken if am comin or gon. An it’s ma birthday an aw.

    Never mind, we’re all going out for dinner tonight, that’s if everybody can stay wakened, we’re a’ exhausted. Looking forward to it.

    Catch you all later, get well soon Rev.

    By the by, anyone know what’s happened to LA, Arbroath 13 whitever. She has not posted in a while, hope she’s okay.

  151. Smallaxe says:

    TheItalianJob says:
    17 August, 2017 at 11:34 am

    “Ha Ha
    I will take care.
    Many thanks and hope you are keeping well.”

    I’m fine, thank you for asking, my friend.

  152. Aikenheed says:

    Small axe @ 9.20 and Robert Peters.
    Serious point though, There is much talk about how do we make a difference to people outside the bubble. Roberts specific post I was referring to is ideal material for getting people to stop and think. Maybe a series of Did You Know?
    With RP’s permission of course?

  153. heedtracker says:

    Appease the UK Govt by negotiating away Scotland’s vote to Remain in the EU and by attempting to negotiate away the manifesto mandate for indyref2.

    Scotland has no right to remain in the EU at all, none whatsoever. Fair enough you want us stop voting SNP Colin A but your logic is demented, completely demented.

    Scots cannot negotiate anything Brexit at all. This was the whole point of voting No 2014.

    All Scots gov can do is ask tory UK gov, red or blue tory, please may we be part of Brexit negotiations?

    UK gov has told Scots gov to fcuk off and keep going.

    Beeb gimpery says its all good though, don’t worry suckas, you’ll get nice Brexit devo treats, trust the tories.

  154. Andy-B says:

    Well Murdo Fraser puts his foot in it again, there’s no hiding his Presbyterian, Covenanter, Calvanistic attitude.

  155. mogabee says:

    Happy Birthday Marie.. 😀

    Colin Alexander

    OK. I’ll bite. What is wrong with you?

  156. Smallaxe says:

    Was Labour right to sack Sarah Champion for saying Pakistani men ‘rape, exploit white girls’?

  157. Ian Brotherhood says:

    Interesting stuff by Andrew O’Hagan in The National. Better late than never!

    ‘Scotland has problems galore, as any nation does, but I’d like to think our problems are honest ones.’

    If he’s really curious about what our problems are, and how honest we can or should be in dealing with them, he might want to try reading his ‘must-read keynote lecture’ aloud, outside The Buffs Tavern in Kilwinning.

  158. cearc says:

    Happy Birthday, Marie. It seems no time since you were 21 last time.

    I asked about LA a couple of weeks ago bujt with no response. Her, usually prolific, twitter account is almost static. Do you know her, smallaxe? She’s just along the way from you.

  159. Marie Clark says:

    Thanks mogabee. Are you sure you want to bite with man at C&A?
    Careful now, you’ll be bored to death.

  160. heedtracker says:

    OK. I’ll bite. What is wrong with you?

    Nothing, he’s just put a little thought into his style of SNP bad, is all. Other end of that’s Rock, who really doesn’t:D

  161. yesindyref2 says:

    So latest about fruit market is “City Property, which owns the site, said it was trying to establish alternative arrangements so that normal business could resume as soon as possible.”

    They’re a distance-arm of Glasgow Council.

  162. Smallaxe says:

    Was Labour right to ‘sack’ Sarah Champion for saying Pakistani men ‘r8pe*, exploit white girls’?

    This post was put into Moderation earlier as I missed a Banned word.
    My apologies, to the Rev.Stu.

  163. Dr Jim says:

    Watch and learn at 1.30pm today how BBC Reporting Scotland will equate depression in children to the SNP

  164. heedtracker says:

    Even more yoon scandals anyone?

    FibDem’s at it again

    13 hrs ago
    MP Swinson under fire over ‘vanishing’ election costs
    Exclusive by Tom Gordon
    Scottish Political Editor

    JO Swinson, the deputy UK leader of the Liberal Democrats, is facing “serious questions” over her election expenses after thousands of pounds were left off her official declaration.

    The East Dunbartonshire MP claimed her spending scraped in £210 below the legal limit in the party’s top Scottish target – but only after almost £7000 of costs were disregarded.

    Despite the seat’s importance to the LibDems, the former minister said £2700 of leaflets and other material bought by the party went undelivered and so didn’t count toward her total.

    Rewind back a few UKOK weeks of FibDemery,

    Prosecutors are probing ‘financial irregularities’ in Scottish Lib Dem campaign

    The party are insisting their general election chief behaved ‘by the book’.
    21:12, 7 JUN 2017UPDATED21:14, 7 JUN 2017

    Alex Cole-Hamilton
    Scottish Lib Dems insist their general election chief behaved “by the book” after it was revealed
    prosecutors are looking into allegations of financial irregularities.

    Police carried out an investigation into Alex Cole-Hamilton’s spending at the Holyrood election last year.

    They passed a report to the procurator fiscal. The Crown Office said the case is “under consideration”.

    All part of what takes to keep Scotland to heel.

    Should be interesting watching Pacific Quay gimps whitewash away all this. Its what they’re all there for.

  165. yesindyref2 says:

    Sorry about this, like I say I know people there (suppliers).

    Fire spread rapidly because of sandwich panels being used, according to the fire service spokesman. Sandwich panels:

    Fire behavior
    Sandwich panels have different fire behaviors, resistance and reaction, depending on: the foam, the metal thickness, the coating, etc. The user will need to choose between the different sandwich panel types, depending on the requirements.

    Research by the Association of British Insurers and the Building Research Establishment in the UK highlighted that “sandwich panels do not start a fire on their own, and where these systems have been implicated in fire spread, the fire has often started in high risk areas such as cooking areas, subsequently spreading as a result of poor fire risk management, prevention and containment measures”.[10]

    There is evidence that when sandwich panels are used to clad a building it can contribute to the rapid spread of fire up the outside of the building itself. As an architect put it, in choosing the core material for a sandwich panel “I only use the mineral wool ones because your gut tells you it is not right to wrap a building in plastic”.[11] In 2000 Gordon Cooke, a leading fire safety consultant, reported that “the use of plastic foam cored sandwich panels […] is difficult to justify when considering life safety”. He said the panels “can contribute to the severity and speed of fire development” and this has led to “massive fire losses”.[12]

    Design of a cavity between the cladding and the exterior wall of the building (or its sheath of insulation) is also significant: flames can occupy the cavity and be drawn upwards by convection, elongating to create secondary fires, and do so “regardless of the materials used to line the cavities”.

  166. Les Wilson says:

    I listened for a wee bit this morning to call whoever, on EBSs.
    They had their callers lined up to support Trump and his proposed visit to the UK.

    These callers were saying that the Uk needs America, so should be helpful to Trump and we should not interfere as he IS the president of America. One castigated Nicola’s comments saying we should not be surprised at her comments as she wants any deal with America to fail.

    Maybe a little truth in that, many will feel the same though.However she was not wrong either.
    Trump is not simply the American president, all Presidents are looked on as the leaders of the free world.

    Well, that would mean that he has more responsibility than being President, he has to think a bit before he steps in with two feet as he is meant to speak for Western democracy in many ways.
    However statesmanship deludes him. He does not take a breath and consider the consequences of what he says, and corrects only in hindsight. That is not good enough, because whatever happens after he opens his mouth his point is already taken.

    In this case, he appeared to support the white supremacists, and that will lead to racial trouble, and how can he not expect that. He is playing into the hands of the most extremist people in America. It also reflects badly on the Western World as he IS now the supposed leader.

    So Nicola was right to make her valid points, and as I would say myself “Not in my name!” We do not need him here.

  167. Flower of Scotland says:

    O/t Anyone thinking of cancelling your TV licence, remember you can pick up all the latest news on YouTube. Not live TV but only minutes out.

    You’ll find YouTube on your tablet, phone, amazon fire app, smart TV, computers etc

    Do yourself a favour and cancel your TV licence immediately.

    If you’re a masochist you can still get your daily dose of Britnat Propaganda on BBC radio Scotland.

    Missing you Rev!

  168. Smallaxe says:

    cearc says:
    17 August, 2017 at 1:07 pm
    “Happy Birthday, Marie. It seems no time since you were 21 last time.
    I asked about LA a couple of weeks ago but with no response. Her, usually prolific, twitter account is almost static. Do you know her, smallaxe? She’s just along the way from you.”

    I think my daughter knows LA and partner, cearc, AFAIK, LA lives just 5mins drive from my home. I’ll make discreet inquiries if possible.

    Happy Birthday, Marie, have a great day!

  169. HandandShrimp says:

    I see the increasingly embittered Torrance’s beard is outraged at how unhip O’Hagan’s stance is. (Groaniard)

  170. Legerwood says:

    Mr Torrance’s take on Mr O’Hagan’s views on independence.

    From the Guardian

  171. A bit of info for anyone who maybe interested to know what Corbyn’s up to ear the end of this month.

    According to one of my local newspapers Jeremy Corbyn is to make a guest appearance at the big band bash event, billed as a “musical mash up” at Kitty’s night club in Kirkcaldy on Sat 26

  172. Dan Huil says:

    @Legerwood 1:35pm

    Dearie me. Poor Torrance gets more and more desperate. He just can’t understand why Scots don’t realize their nation is too wee, too poor, too stupid etc etc.

  173. Tinto Chiel says:

    Ian Brotherhood: “Interesting stuff by Andrew O’Hagan in The National. Better late than never!”

    Quite a surprise, really, given his past pronouncements.

    Who next? James McMillan?

    Sorry, it must be this darned Lanarkshire heat.

    The mint juleps are on me…..

  174. Smallaxe says:

    Peter McCulloch says

    “A bit of info for anyone who maybe interested to know what Corbyn’s up to near the end of this month.”

    Jeremy Corbyn to appear with local bands at Kirkcaldy nightspot;

  175. Lenny Hartley says:

    In the local Newsagent today, picking up my National and commented on front page which was about Andrew O’Hagan’s lecture about his journey from No to .yes. Another one I said it’s getting to be a flood, have you changed your mind yet W? No I never will says she, further questioning , and appears she hates Nicola Sturgeon, so I said you like May then , no I hate her, Corbyn, I hate them all. I says don’t you realise one of the main benefit of Independence is we get the Government we vote for, not one Hundreds of miles away who doesn’t give a shit about Scotland. If we don’t like the Government we the people change it. Doesn’t matter she says I will never vote Yes.
    Sometimes I despair

  176. mogabee says:

    Thanks Marie for heads up! I’ll keep my gnashers for that delish chicken dinner tonight. 😀 😀

  177. yesindyref2 says:

    OT – fruit market
    Seems to me the early report of “refrigerated meat area” was wrong, the pictures show one main fruit and veg hall, maybe 8 stalls in the centre out of sight, and when they say fridge, it’s likely I think it’s a chiller, not a fridge, as that would be at the other side they’re showing the pictures from.

    But apparently two-thirds are OK, though whether the fire spread across the other side of the hall, or to the other building I can’t tell. One of my previous and alternative suppliers though, looks wiped out, and one in the other side of the hall. Hard to get bearings to be honest, it’s often dark when I’m there, and there’s fork-lifts all over the place.

  178. yesindyref2 says:

    Anyway I’ll shut up now.

  179. Brian Powell says:


    Even as I read the O’Hagen talk I knew there would be some Unionist running to try to knock it down, and there it was, Torrance in the anti-Indy, anti-SNP Guardian. Now no one is listening to him here he tries an English paper.

    But as sure as I keow it would come, I knew they wouldn’t try to put a better vision but go for attacking what O’Hagen said. It’s all the Unionists have now.

    Of course the Guardian won’t publish the talk, it would be too embarrassing for the Guardian and Torrance.

  180. heedtracker says:

    Of course the Guardian won’t publish the talk, it would be too embarrassing for the Guardian and Torrance.”

    Graun’s world famous progressive liberal and democratic lefties, desperately montering Scottish democracy, using one of Scotland’s most Thatcherite of tory hacks.

    Doesnt get anymore yoon that this.

    Well other than same Graun crew marching hand in hand with OO, just as one example.

    Jaw dropping hypocrisy, Britnat The Guardian style.

  181. Alex Clark says:

    @Brian Powell

    There is a link in the Torrance article to a report of O’Hagen’s speech reported in the Scotsman. Mainly just some quotes from the talk and without much opinion.

    The interesting thing for me though was that from 24 pages of comments all were “under review” apart from two single comments both pro-indy LOL.

  182. Marie Clark says:

    Thanks folks for your birthday wishes, much appreciated, and cearc,I wish it was no time since I was 21 the last time. The years seem tae get quicker and quicker.

    Thanks Smallaxe for your ongoing discreet enquiries about LA, I hope she is well.

    Dearie me, Mr Torrance seems to be a tad upset at Andrew O Hagan. There’s a surprise, not.

  183. Alex Clark says:


    Watched the film Anthropoid yesterday and reading a bit more about it today. Was interesting to find out that the two assassins of Nazi Reinhard Heydrich were both trained at Arisaig, West of Fort William for the Special Operations Executive.

    The Czech and Slovak SOE War Memorial was unveiled in the village in 2009 to commemorate those that trained and those that died in the war. Jan Kubis and Jozef Gabcik are among the names recorded on the memorial. The money was raised through public donations. Pictures of the memorial can be found here:

  184. colin alexander says:


    I stuck to facts: The SNP manifesto of 2016. And their current negotiating position with the UK Govt.

    You are right, in that the UK Govt have so far rebuffed the SNP’s negotiations.

    To be positive, those who support indy should be glad the UK Govt are so arrogant they rejected an SNP compromise deal.

    That keeps indy on the table. As the SNP were willing to compromise on the indyref manifesto mandate. They should backtrack on indyref altogether.

    I give credit to the SNP, if they think indyref is a mistake and are trying to dig themselves out of that hole. I’m praising them for that, this time.

    That creates the opportunity:
    Put full parliamentary sovereignty in a manifesto and say the SNP win and if UK Govt rejects that. It’s mandated that those politicians declare Holyrood sovereign without WM approval. WM either accepts that compromise or the Union is dissolved.

    But the SNP give that option of equal status cooperation on Holyrood’s terms with WM so those who don’t want full indy can vote for the SNP too.

    As, I’ve explained ad nauseum, a sovereign Holyrood within a UK, would be the end of the current Union by the back door. It would prevent WM domination to a large extent and still give NO voters the chance of offering continued partnership as equals within a union- a union of equal parliaments would be more a confederation, if you want to label it. Not devolution govt.

    A sovereign parliament would be able to decide on having a referendum, as it would be the sovereign Scottish Parliament that would decide the timing and wording of any indyref, as it would not need WM permission, if it were sovereign.

    Better still:
    Let the MPs or MSPs decide on independence as representing those who elected them. If we vote a majority of indy politicians they are mandated to vote for indy. But they do that when they consider it most expedient for Scotland. So, the UK Govt does not set any agenda. Only the people and politicians of Scotland then decide that.

    If the UK Govt continue to refuse to abide by the current devolution settlement: what’s devolved stays devolved ( EU powers). The SNP should refuse to stand for devolution govt altogether.

    They should only offer Holyrood is sovereign as their policy. In all other circumstances they should oppose devolution. So there will be no more devolved Scottish Govts run by the SNP, only Sovereign Scottish Govts run by the SNP or not at all.

    Then Scotland’s people decide whether that’s sovereign within a union
    (whether as a UK Union or EU union) or as independent.

    That’s what a real Scottish Parliament should be for. Scotland’s parliament should be making decisions for Scotland based on the electoral mandate of the people.

  185. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

    Is it just me @Peter McCulloch says at 1:37 pm or do you also think Jezza C is trying to pull the wool over the Youth Votes eyes in a Tony Bliar ‘Cool Britannia’ style?

    “Jeremy Corbyn is to make a guest appearance at the big band bash event, billed as a “musical mash up” at Kitty’s night club in Kirkcaldy on Sat 26”

    Bullsh*t the politically naive with Socialist Soundbites and then reverted to Red Tory Type once in Number 10.

    Crash Gordon’s old stomping ground I see.

    Nae doot The Indy Lefty Intelligencia will be there and write lots of articles about how JCs UK’s going to be better than an Indy Scotland ever could hope to be 😉

    That’s the benefit of being older, we’ve seen this con trick before.

    Is Kitty’s what they are calling Jackie O’s now?

  186. galamcennalath says:

    heedtracker says:

    Graun’s world famous progressive liberal and democratic lefties

    All things are relative.

    In today’s England the far right has suddenly come mainstream, and ‘socialist’ Labour supports nukes, austerity, a benefits squeeze, strict immigration controls, and isolationism. “Progressive liberal” in England probably now equates to the ‘moderate’ position of 80s Thatcherism!

    Social democratic Scotland with its SNP government sits so far to the left of mainstream England, the Graun probably thinks we are all raving commies.

  187. heedtracker says:

    colin alexander says:
    17 August, 2017 at 2:23 pm

    We get it Colina A and you can keep on posting the same ol same ol SNP bad, because they are bad stuff Co, it makes no odds.

    All Scots gov can do, because we voted NO, is ask UK gov to be Brexit involved.

    And UK gov has repeatedly told Scots gov to fcuk off, while they’re propaganda outfits, led as per by BBC Scotland gimps, tell Scots that we are ofcourse a union of equals, so be good little Brits.

    Its all just another giant con, of which you are playing your icklewickle part.

  188. heedtracker says:

    galamcennalath says:
    17 August, 2017 at 2:31 pm
    heedtracker says:

    Graun’s world famous progressive liberal and democratic lefties

    All things are relative.

    Graun flipped right with New Labour. Then they boosted up Cleggster’s coalition of millionaire toryboy reign.

    It makes commercial sense too. Graun, like most of the UKOK broadsheet tory media trawl after middle and upper middle class ad money.

    We all know how tory they are.

    Graun is worth watching though. They’re getting reamed by likes of Facebook and even that last great UK tax dodge of being a trust cannot save it.

    But as we see at the moment, centre right England does not see itself as nationalist at all. Nats are evil you see, and who wants to be evil.

    Rule Britannia:D

  189. colin alexander says:

    Oh, come on! You seem to be basically saying: We are powerless cos people voted NO to independence in 2014.

    That’s what the UK Govt want people to believe. But it’s simply not true.

    Nobody voted FOR WM domination. It was never an option on the ballot paper. That’s a fact.

    We have the power of self-determination as a sovereign people.

  190. Capella says:

    @ Alex Clark – it’s a small world in the SOE.
    Still haven’t tracked down the actual quote but feel it does exist somewhere, perhaps in a memo or speech. There are numerous references online. Probably Callum MacDonald would have been able to tell us had he not died so young.
    Will persevere, though access to some proper research facilities would probably be an advantage!

    Thx for link to Arisaig site.

  191. Chick McGregor says:

    Thanks Liz,

    Just checked the first 500 comments to see if anyone answered.

  192. O.T. The. Recent removal of the confederate generals statues. Because they fought to retain slaver and the north fought to remove it is a myth the south had free labour and the north did not like it so under the guise of freeing the slaves they went to war it’s like today in brexit big business say they are concerned about the eu workers here being able to stay on but all they are concerned about really is being able to keep paying low wages for as long as possible. There is over 3million eu workers here taking our jobs and putlng pressure on our hospitals doctors surgeries schools and housing we are the ones who pay for this not big business they only pay the low wages

  193. heedtracker says:

    We have the power of self-determination as a sovereign people.

    That’s right Co. We have the right as sovereign people to hold referendums, like in 2014, where the majority voted to stay under the control and government of Westminster. The people of Yorkshire or Wales even might like the same sovereign nation status, in the UK, but they dont.

    So now we Scots are out of the EU, we have lost our hard earned and hard earning EU citizenship because we used our status as a sovereign people, to retain the UK and be governed just like any other English region.

    And may god have mercy on our sovereign souls.

    Its that simple Colin A.

    Wish you’d come up with something SNP bad original though.

  194. Proud Cybernat says:

    “Hey Jean…”

  195. Brian Powell says:


    Yip, exactly.

    But sadly so many think it will be OK, somebody else will still come along to save them, then they won’t need to do anything. But it won’t be like that with Brexit. Outside of Independence there is no alternative.

  196. Liz Rannoch says:

    @ Peter McCulloch 1:37 pm

    Re JC in Kirkcaldy, same day as rally in Dunfermline.

    Please see my earlier post 9.26am.

    Anybody…. do you live nearby? Are you on twitter/FB? Can you pretty, pretty, please get this info out on the whatsitsphere? I’m not on either and I would so love for it to be a success (well at least, not an embarrassment!)

  197. Robert Peffers says:

    @heedtracker says: 17 August, 2017 at 12:10 pm:

    “I’m from Aberdeen, and one of the clearest ways of depriving Scots of national consciousness was and is simply by English people moving to Aberdeen.”

    There really is nothing new in that, heedtracker.

    I’m originally from rural Midlothian, a short spell in Hants but then to Edinburgh before ending in Fife.

    I was thus mainly educated, during WWII in Edinburgh. It seemed to be an Edinburgh City Council policy to employ mainly Oxbridge Educated teachers who were mainly Scottish born. However, it was wartime and these teachers were thus rejected as service personnel on the grounds of either age or disability.

    I had been brought up by well educated grandparents, who spoke the Lallans, while both parents were away fighting a war. This Scots language is not, as many have been led to believe, a synthetic language invented by Chris Grieve and his contemporary Makkars.

    And I quote this, as just such an example:-

    Christopher Murray Grieve (11 August 1892 – 9 September 1978), known by his pen name Hugh MacDiarmid, was a Scottish poet, journalist, essayist and political figure. He is best known for his works written in ‘synthetic Scots’, a literary version of the Scots language that MacDiarmid himself developed.

    Chris did nothing of the sort. He did no more than the English national bard, William Shakespeare, had done for written English some centuries before. That is he, the English Bard, produced a standardised English from the many English dialects in use in his time.

    You must remember that the Scots languages had been forcibly suppressed for a very long time to the extent it had become only a spoken language of the masses. Thus Scottish literature had then been almost wiped out.

    Suffice to say that as a wee laddie, just learning to read, I found it a lot less difficult to read such as Robert Louis Stevenson’s Scots dialogue than I did dialogue in written English.

    Anyway, to get back to how things went after we moved into Edinburgh.

    My English Language Teacher was infamous as the most proficient wielder of the Lochgelly Tawse in the entire school. He would hardly ever have that instrument of torture out of his hand and if it was out of his hand it was replaced by the Blackboard Duster, (a heave chunk of wooden handle with a sort of felt pad on the underside), or the Blackboard Ruler, another heavy chunk of wood, or the Blackboard Pointer, yet again a heavy lump of wood.

    He was also renowned as a dead shot who never missed his intended target and he was well over six foot tall and built like the proverbial brick built outhouse.

    On the particular day I write about, Mr McLachlan was yet again punishing me for the use of my native language in class.

    Now to be fair to Mr McLachlan I was, and still am, described as being, “Muckle Conter”.(Quite Contrary). The punishment did not bother me one bit and although almost always top in English, and always in the top three, I would deliberately use a Scots expression to get up any teacher’s nose. Even then I was defending my inalienable right to my Scottish nationalism.

    Anyway, when asked by McLachlan a question that required the simple answer, “Yes Sir”, I replied, “Aye! Sir”, and without being asked got up from my desk and approached the teacher’s desk with my hand out to be Lochgellied.

    McLachlan, became rather red in the face and exploded, administered six of the best, (unwritten limit of tawse lashes), then he spluttered, “You do not say Aye. It is Scottish slang. It is not a word in the English Language.

    At which point I stood to attention, saluted, as if in the armed forces, and replied,”Aye! Aye! Sir. You are, after all the Dominie and I merely the collegianer”. (“Teacher”, and, “Student”, respectively in the Scots language).

    I don’t think the poor man ever really recovered from the experience.

  198. heedtracker says:

    Brian Powell says:
    17 August, 2017 at 3:20 pm

    Colin A ofcourse wants everyone to stop voting SNP because they are bad.

    But if Colin A does get his wish and let’s face it, unless Scotland does regain nation statehood very soon, he really will get his wish, Scotland will instantly revert back to being a mere region of the UK, just like before 97.

    Scotland will once again be run by a SLabour or Cons crew, whose sole purpose in this life will be to please their masters in Westminster, all of them aiming to become lords and ladies, Sir and Dames. Just like the last time they were Scottish gov.

    And all of it wildly cheered by their gimps in Pacific Quay.

    We will ofcourse still be a sovereign Scottish people, except that under Slab or Cons rule in Holyrood, it will once again, mean absolutely nothing.

    Colin A knows that too.

  199. Smallaxe says:

    Robert Peffers; This may interest you, sir.

    11th December 1993
    Sheriff judges aye-aye a contemptible no-no

  200. Robert Peffers says:

    @Aikenheed says: 17 August, 2017 at 12:43 pm:

    “Roberts specific post I was referring to is ideal material for getting people to stop and think. Maybe a series of Did You Know?
    With RP’s permission of course?”

    Och! Aikenheed, you do not need permission to post anything I comment. It is all mainly just the actual truth and certainly not copyright.

  201. Smallaxe says:

    Far too often the UK government has let down our service personnel and veterans;

  202. Robert Peffers says:


    Went to post the link to Reuters and the post vanished into the ether. Here is the link:-

    There are, of course many more news agencies than Reuters but really you only need one as they all carry up-to-the-minute news as it breaks. What is more they constantly update and correct errors.

  203. Smallaxe says:

    It went very quiet for a while, was there a problem?

  204. Liz Rannoch says:

    @ Robert Peffers 3.21

    When I started reading Wings one of the things that brought me back was your posts on the history of Scotland.

    When I was younger I did 2 years at the local comprehensive and then went on the high school. At the comp. one of the things that put me right off history was the teacher, a Mr Harvey if I remember correctly. He kept his ‘belt’ on his shoulder, under his robe. He would prowl up and down between the aisles of desks. Then suddenly, without warning, from behind you, he would bring the belt down on your desk with a loud crack. Pity help you if you were reaching for your pencil case at the time!

    Needless to say I learned not a jot and did geography from then on at high school.

    Thank you.

  205. Alex Clark says:

    Aamer Anwar tweets of car ploughing into crowd in Barcelona.

  206. Robert Peffers says:

    @Smallaxe says: 17 August, 2017 at 4:33 pm:

    “Far too often the UK government has let down our service personnel and veterans;”

    Aye! Smallaxe, the more they try to change things the more it becomes apparent that they are incapable of change.

    Now what was it the term, “conservative”, means again. I may have forgotten?

    I give you:-

    TOMMY by Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936).

    I went into a public-‘ouse to get a pint o’ beer,
    The publican ‘e up an’ sez, “We serve no red-coats here.”
    The girls be’ind the bar they laughed an’ giggled fit to die,
    I outs into the street again an’ to myself sez I:

    O it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, go away”;
    But it’s “Thank you, Mister Atkins”, when the band begins to play,
    The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
    O it’s “Thank you, Mister Atkins”, when the band begins to play.

    I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
    They gave a drunk civilian room, but ‘adn’t none for me;
    They sent me to the gallery or round the music-‘alls,
    But when it comes to fightin’, Lord! they’ll shove me in the stalls!

    For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, wait outside”;
    But it’s “Special train for Atkins” when the trooper’s on the tide,
    The troopship’s on the tide, my boys, the troopship’s on the tide,
    O it’s “Special train for Atkins” when the trooper’s on the tide.

    Yes, makin’ mock o’ uniforms that guard you while you sleep
    Is cheaper than them uniforms, an’ they’re starvation cheap;
    An’ hustlin’ drunken soldiers when they’re goin’ large a bit
    Is five times better business than paradin’ in full kit.

    Then it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, ‘ow’s yer soul?”
    But it’s “Thin red line of ‘eroes” when the drums begin to roll,
    The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
    O it’s “Thin red line of ‘eroes” when the drums begin to roll.

    We aren’t no thin red ‘eroes, nor we aren’t no blackguards too,
    But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
    An’ if sometimes our conduck isn’t all your fancy paints,
    Why, single men in barricks don’t grow into plaster saints;

    While it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, fall be’ind”,
    But it’s “Please to walk in front, sir”, when there’s trouble in the wind,
    There’s trouble in the wind, my boys, there’s trouble in the wind,
    O it’s “Please to walk in front, sir”, when there’s trouble in the wind.

    You talk o’ better food for us, an’ schools, an’ fires, an’ all:
    We’ll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
    Don’t mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
    The Widow’s Uniform is not the soldier-man’s disgrace.

    For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Chuck him out, the brute!”
    But it’s “Saviour of ‘is country” when the guns begin to shoot;
    An’ it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ anything you please;
    An’ Tommy ain’t a bloomin’ fool — you bet that Tommy sees!

  207. Liz Rannoch says:

    @ Alex Clark

    There’s another post from Aamer Anwar:

    hope this gets through being hit with a lot of ‘you’ve already posted this’.

  208. Bob p says:

    Lenny hartley 1.47 pm. Asking a yoon scot. Would you vote yes?. Naw! Why not? Jeest because. Aye decades of slab school education/indoctrination have left these poor misguided creatures as they are. More to be pitied.

  209. Liz g says:

    Happy Birthday Marie Clarke & many more of them
    Hopefully LA is ok,if you are reading Lesley,all the best hen, thinkin aboot ye X
    Anybody have any update on how the Revs doing as well?

  210. Robert Peffers says:

    @Liz Rannoch says: 17 August, 2017 at 4:44 pm:

    “When I was younger I did 2 years at the local comprehensive and then went on the high school.”

    I know that many people who attended school before physical punishment was abolished felt exactly as you felt. As I pointed out in my post today I was a right hardy wee lad. (I’m only 5’4″ fully grown”). I was premature and only just 3Lb at birth. In those days few kids of that weight survived.

    I not only survived but was a born fighter. No one has managed to bully me and I absolutely hate any kind of bully. I wouldn’t allow any bullying of anyone, anywhere near me and have fought for the underdog all my life.

    Fortunately I was born on a farm and in those days you worked as soon as you could walk if you were farming folk. You became strong and hardy at a very early age. So the physical punishment in the schools back then was of no consequence.

    Then there was the fact that I was blessed to have been taught by two of the most natural and dedicated teachers I have ever met. A Brother and sister from a long line of teachers. I had the brother as my primary class teacher and when I arrived at secondary my history teacher was his sister.

    I never saw either of them ever need to produce a Lochgelly and in both cases they were born teachers and could hold the large classes of those days enthralled and enthusiastic at the lessons in hand. At secondary the history class was something to look forward to and was not a dry catalogue of meaningless date timelines to learn by rote.

    History was made to live and be exciting – such teachers are indeed born and not the products of a teacher college. I believe they just loved their subjects and that love of subject got passed onto their pupils. You learned because you wanted to know not because you were punisher if you didn’t know.

  211. Bill McLean says:

    Smallaxe at 1107. I still have not and will never read the Express but my manager assures me that the print version of today’s Express, page 2, contains an article by one David Scott which is 98% positive about employment/unemployment in Scotland. Headlined “Good news on Scottish jobs”. When she who must be obeyed told me she was as startled as I was but she has read the article to me and she was right (again). I don’t read the Express and I certainly don’t trust it.Hope all is well with and yours.

  212. Valerie says:

    How dreadful about Barcelona, reporting 2 dead. 🙁
    It would have been heaving with people.

    BBC were using footage credited to Aamer Anwar.

    I was on the train returning from seeing Salmond Unleashed, great show, and a gorgeous warm day in Edinburgh. Folk started talking about what they could read on their phones.

    Media now saying 3 people dead.

  213. Flower of Scotland says:

    Jockanese Wind Talker @ 2.31

    Kitty’s is an Irish pub in Kirkcaldy just up from the bus station.

    Guess who is NOT going to see Mr Corbyn.

  214. Bill McLean says:

    Smallaxe at 1107. Sorry about delay in replying – have been out all day. On page 2 of today’s Daily Express there an article by David Scott about Scottish employment/unemployment figures which is 98% positive. My wife gets the Express daily as it has more news about England in it than any of the others and she is from Birmingham. She is, however, totally for Scottish independence and can read between the lines of the unionist rag. She was as surprised by the positive article as I was when she read it to me.
    Dave McEwan Hill at 1142 – thanks for response.
    Good luck and health to all!

  215. Bill McLean says:

    Oops – sorry all about the repetition!

  216. Marie Clark says:

    @ Liz g, thanks for your kind wishes. I too hope it’s good news when we hear from LA.

    What a terrible incident in Barcelona, just awful.

    See you later boys & girls, the family are treating me to dinner so we’re away oot for a while.

  217. Smallaxe says:

    Bill McLean;

    Your wife (SHMBO) must be similar to my own good lady, after years of searching for Mrs.Right I finally found Mrs.Always Right. 🙂

    Thank you, for the information, I’m surprised that it was printed in the EX-Press.

    All are well here, Bill. I hope your family is well also, my friend.

  218. cearc says:

    Liz g, re Stu.

    I think it is pretty serious, life changing – he retweeted a poem on his twitter!

  219. Bill McLean says:

    Smallaxe – thanks for response. Really laughed at your Mrs Always Right. Aren’t we lucky to have them – always right or not. Have to say I was very surprised at the Express coverage – unfortunately I don’t expect it to last! Thanks again – isn’t this a great blog and some terrific contributors and contributions.

  220. indy says:

    Peffers and Heedtarcker

    Why are you two on every second post.

    Have you got shares in Wings

  221. colin alexander says:

    The Scottish Sun is running a story about the David Davis aide who’s involved with a long Twitter spat against his former boss.

    It seems he is alleging the UK Govt has papers which show Scotland and the North of England would be worst affected by Brexit, but this information is being suppressed.

  222. Tinto Chiel says:

    indy: it’s called keepy-uppy for the thread, especially when the Rev’s not well.

    Come and join us round the camp-fire.

  223. K1 says:

    *Throws a log on top of the fire…oops…missed and landed on some corpolite*

    Hmm…does shit burn?

  224. Shinty says:

    Finally bought a copy of Alex Salmond’s ‘The Dream Shall Never Die’ well worth a read. Gives you an insight to what was really going on up to the indyref vote. (might also help some of us when our next opportunity comes along)

    Well worth the read if you have a few bob to spare.

  225. K1 says:

    Even the rare butterflies are moving tae Scotland! Mair and mair of them are upping sticks…how blessed are we!

    ‘Scotland has a new species of butterfly: the elusive and endangered white-letter hairstreak has been discovered in a field in Berwickshire, 100 metres from the English border.

    It is the first time since 1884 that the butterfly has been sighted in Scotland, raising hopes that climate change has helped it become the 34th butterfly species to live and breed in the country.

    “Climate change is a double-edged sword but it’s an exciting time to be in the Scottish borders,” said Paul Kirkland of Butterfly Conservation Scotland. “It’s not just butterflies but moths and dragonflies are moving north quite quickly.”

    More than a quarter of Britain’s 59 butterfly species are spreading north, with insects such as the comma moving about six miles each year. In recent years, butterflies that were once only found in southern Britain have crossed the border in Scotland, including the comma and the small and Essex skippers. Within Scotland, species such as the ringlet, orange tip and peacock have moved rapidly north and into the Highlands.’

  226. ailsa craig says:

    Andrew o’Hagan’s speech. Long item but wonderful. Just the tonic for all the gloom spread by Yoon-dom. Don’t think it is here already. Quite a trek through the whole thread. Apologies if it is.

    Stirring, emotional, thoughtful, perfect.

  227. Tinto Chiel says:

    K1, P&J headline: “Scotland swamped by immigrants”.

    The wee nuthatch bird used to stop round about the Kielder forest, but in the past ten years or so has gradually migrated north. Had a mother and chick in my garden about five years ago.

    A lovely wee bird, now in Perthshire, I believe. The only British bird to go down a tree trunk, head first.

    Mebbes an “ex-pat”, of course 😉 .

  228. Robert Peffers says:

    @indy says: 17 August, 2017 at 6:52 pm:

    “Peffers and Heedtarcker
    Why are you two on every second post.
    Have you got shares in Wings.”

    Naw! We are only on every second post because YOU and others are NOT on every third post, fourth post ad infinitem.

    It is an open forum and if you stick your comments in between ours we won’t be on every second post. It also helps if you are NOT complaining about something all the time.

  229. indy says:

    I have noticed about a dozen names on Wings who seem to dominate the posts every single day (And night).


  230. Robert Peffers says:

    @K1 says: 17 August, 2017 at 7:28 pm:

    “*Throws a log on top of the fire…oops…missed and landed on some corpolite*
    Hmm…does shit burn?”

    Yes it does and what is more it is the fuel of choice in some parts of the World.

    Now I expect the usual suspects will be along soon to post that Peffers is posting shit again.

  231. Ian Brotherhood says:

    @indy (8.10) –

    I’m sure you’ve seen the periodic appeals to lurkers to contribute, but ye canny force folk. Rev Stu said, long time ago (and this may be in the comments rules) that less than 1% of WOS readers ever post comments.

  232. Lenny Hartley says:

    Indy, Mr Peffers and Heedtracker can post a thousand times a day with their informative posts and people would be informed , enlightened and educated. You on the other hand can ……

  233. Robert Peffers says:

    @indy says: 17 August, 2017 at 8:10 pm:

    “I have noticed about a dozen names on Wings who seem to dominate the posts every single day (And night).

    Mibby it’s jist because they are posting and you are not.

  234. One_Scot says:

    Are you referring to the Trojan trolls? Asking for a friend.

  235. Capella says:

    @ indy – please feel free to comment if you have something you want to say.
    I feel very glad that this blog exists and I can add to the comments – positive contributions I hope.

    I also pick up a lot of relevant information from most commenteers. There really isn’t another forum like it. It provides a “community of interest” which is unique, and often funny.

  236. colin alexander says:

    Well, I tried to help the SNP by suggesting my proposals for Scottish sovereignty and tactics etc, instead of saying it on here to people that aren’t interested.

    I could still log in, but as my membership is lapsed, I am unable to submit policy ideas.

  237. Tinto Chiel says:

    K1: regarding your Orange Tip butterfly.

    About 20 years ago or so I found many of them in an SSSI in Darkest Lanarkshire, a beautiful wooded glen with a river running through it, with dippers a gogo and lots of fairly unusual plants like moschatel and twayblade. They’re beautiful wee things and I was delighted to spot them. When I looked at the butterfly distribution map in the main book on the subject, there was a big, big void for the OT “where I was”, so I wrote to the editors, reporting my findings.

    I got a rather frosty response from the publishers, saying the area had been surveyed thoroughly and thanks for my interest, yadayadayada.

    It was at this point that I developed a mistrust of Olympian “experts”. My own eyes had seen the butterflies and that was that.

    Of course, when you extend this principle to our history, you should really multiply this to the power of x. For every McHardy, Pittock or Duffy there’s a legion of Pantene ProV boys who can’t wait to spout utter wheech to the polloi regarding our past, while they trouser their shekels.

    My motto: question everything, and twice on Sundays.

    When you find them out in wee things, boy, things ramify.

  238. Dave McEwan Hill says:

    ailsa craig at 11.48

    Yes. I will be keeping it. And it is symptomatic of a warming underswell to YES as the lies and distortions of the Unionist media suffers from diminishing return and even disgust.

  239. indy says:

    These names dominate Wings now. WHY????????

    Something strange is going on.

    Heed tracker
    Robert Peffers
    Colin Alexander
    Liz g
    Ken 500
    Proud Cybernat
    Robert J. Sutherland
    Robert Louis
    Sensible Dave
    Meg Merrilees
    Alex Clark

    What is happening here?????

  240. Dr Jim says:

    Membership of the SNP doesn’t lapse it only ceases if you don’t want to be a member and don’t pay your subs like any other organisation rentamouth

  241. Jason Smoothpiece says:

    I am sorry to hear the Rev is unwell. We should send a get well card. Sadly I do not have his address.

    Perhaps we could call MI5 020 7930 9000 I’m sure they would be able to give us his address.

  242. Tinto Chiel says:

    Indy @9.21: start dominating then, Poindexter. Or have you nothing constructive to say?

    You started a file or sumfink?

  243. Capella says:

    @ Tinto Chiel – there are a lot of people who will be offended at being left off indy’s list.

  244. HandandShrimp says:

    What is happening here?????


    That is like going into Cheers and saying there is something funny going on, Norm, Cliff and Frasier are always here.

    They were regulars and so are the people you list above.

    I think we have more regulars that post here than the Hootsman or the Herald.

  245. Dek says:

    The O’Hagan essay is a very classy piece of work. For Torrance to rubbish it is breathtaking from a man with not an original thought in his head. Maybe he should spend less time in front of the mirror combing his ” hipster” beard.

  246. Tinto Chiel says:

    Capella: hehehehehehee.

    Including Thomas Muir!

    I was expecting them to come out in The Rev’s absence.

    Is indy’s first name Perspex?

    Admire your tenacity re Heydrich. Hope you find out something eventually.

  247. cearc says:

    I’ll tell you what’s wrong here.

    Stu’s AWOL and we haven’t had a single soup recipe yet.

  248. Croompenstein says:

    Haven’t seen it mentioned, had a real chuckle at the Rev having to do an update for indiegogo..

    posted by Stuart Campbell

    For some cretinous reason Indiegogo now insist on monthly updates even on campaigns that have been closed for two years. So here’s the update: sod-all has happened

    Quality.. 🙂

  249. Alex Clark says:

    I think you can safely ignore any contribution from our new poster indy. I posted this on Wings 11 days ago.

    Alex Clark says:
    6 August, 2017 at 6:02 pm
    Poster on the Herald btl on the Ross Greer article had this to say:

    Matthew Brown3 hrs ago
    “Wings Over Scotland” has paid Trolls on its books now:

    Heed tracker
    Robert Peffers
    Colin Alexander
    Liz g
    Ken 500
    Proud Cybernat
    Robert J. Sutherland
    Robert Louis
    Sensible Dave
    Meg Merrilees
    Alex Clark

    Try posting that list of Trolls onto Wings and the Rev Stu blocks you, WHY???

    Coincidence? I think not.

  250. Ian Brotherhood says:

    @TC (9.10) –



    ‘Experts’, eh?

    🙂 🙂 😉

  251. Alex Clark says:

    I also pointed out on the same thread

    That’s a very strange list of “trolls”.

    Sensible Dave hasn’t posted in weeks if not months and Alex Clark has only been posting a week or so. Who would search through weeks old posts to find Sensible Dave and then recent posts to include Alex Clark?

    That’s not normal behaviour and I see no need for anyone to do that. Also Alex Clark and Thepnr have never appeared on the same thread together other than over 3 years ago. So the publisher of this list would have to have collected names from at least 3 articles over the last couple of months. Why?

    Another for the ignore list at my end I’m afraid.

  252. Capella says:

    @ Tinto Chiel – I’m reading the Callum MacDonald bio on Kindle. It’s actually a good read. But Kindle doesn’t do page numbers which makes the “Notes” section useless.
    That’s where it references specific quotes which would be the likely source of the quote in question (sorry).

    Still presevering though. Will resume at first light. Over and out.

    @ Alex Clark – Poor indy. Rumbled so quickly. What a marvellous team of sleuths on this blog. The WoS Detective Agency.

  253. Smallaxe says:

    indy says:
    17 August, 2017 at 6:52 pm
    “Peffers and Heedtarcker
    Why are you two on every second post.
    Have you got shares in Wings”

    Of course, Wingers have shares in Wings, did you not get yours?

    You should write a strongly worded letter of complaint to The Reverend Stuart Campbell c/o WoS. I’m sure that he’ll be only too delighted to accommodate you, indy.

    Pure ded beelin’so ah uhm that ah didnae evin get a mention!

  254. Tinto Chiel says:

    Alex: well done, QED. Great stuff.

    We should all just take a big draw from a Passing Cloud and say *Noel Coward voice*, “How terribly, terribly boring!”


    IanB: if those three gents I mentioned could just write a History of Scotland for schools, we’d be free in jig time.

    You know it makes sense.

  255. HandandShrimp says:


    It is also fair to point out that Sensible Dave has never claimed to be anything other than a Unionist and makes the Unionist case to help us see the error of our ways. I have never found him to be antagonistic or offensive. I just don’t agree with his point of view but troll?

    We have had trolls – Tellen used to make an appearance now and then.

  256. Ian Brotherhood says:

    @Capella, Alex et al,

    re ‘indy’ –

    Can’t stop laughing over ‘him’ fingering Vronsky.

    Pure memory-lane material there. Aye, Vronsky wiz a hardy perennial ’bout these parts, but he’s hardly been a ‘regular’ of late.

    If ye’re seeing this, the bold V, gie’s a wave back brother!

    🙂 🙂 😉

  257. Capella says:

    @ Smallaxe – shares! I didn’t even get paid. My cheque must be in the post.
    Must be on one of those zero hour contracts.

  258. Tinto Chiel says:

    Capella: message received and understood 😉 .

    “Fill my heart with a monotonous languor.”

    Und so weiter…

  259. cearc says:

    With a list like that it’s a good job we’re getting a big new bridge.

    Capella, More like a zero wage contract. What they call an internship in London.

    Not even a free badge and flag! Still, at least your famous now.

  260. Ian Brotherhood says:


    Ye jist canny get decent Mortons Rolls these days!


  261. Capella says:

    @ cearc – I’m just honoured to be on somebody’s list.
    Well it’s Whiskey Oscar Sierra from me.

  262. colin alexander says:

    Morton’s Rolls and Campbell’s Trolls?

    Nae Tunnocks for pudding though. Been aff them since 2014.

  263. Cactus says:

    Evening Wingers ~

    Last night was excellent FUN again, it always is! I can see this thread going to over 1,000 comments. We’ll keep the candle lit while yer away boss. Just over eight thousand more to go until comment 700K.

    ps cheers for lighting my fuse last night Tinto Chiel.. it’s a bit like eating them long tubes of crispy crisps Dorothy D.. once you pop, ye cannae stop! Well, that plus the liquids of passion.

    Tonight, I am opting for black tea n honey.

    How’d ye get on with yer tasty fried chicken, William Wallace?
    Ahm a big fan of the coleslaw too.. whit’s yer secret recipe?

    Two weeks and tomorrow to go until Smallaxe’s soirée!
    Wishin’ ye well. 🙂


  264. Tinto Chiel says:

    Ian: I always remember Dalziel’s (Bakers) of Airdrie’s motto.

    Above a recumbent horse, “A Good Roll Does Satisfy.”

    Or not, as the case may be…

    Bonsoir, mes braves!

  265. Smallaxe says:

    Capella et al, Shares! I may have been mistaken about the details.

    Talking of lists;

    Please feel free to make notes.

  266. K1 says:

    Aye ah neffer goat a mention eifer anaw.

    Whit’s wi the listing, Heedy’s at the heid, Robert Peffers is now ‘talking shit’, Colin A is abandoning ship cause naebdy cares aboot his whining ways, the point of no return is being mentioned wi pointy fingers, ah Capella is in the choir too ah see, corpoite makes a smelly entrance, he whose name I’m banned from stating gets a place at the complainants table. Liz g’s in wi a shout (with a rebel yell she says yay), Ken’s been awol fur at least 500 miles, Ian’s waving’ no drownin’ at the V’s absence. Proudcybernat’s as quiet as a gnat? Robert Louis is seeking treasure elsehere, sensible Dave’s raving on a southern site having flown the coup months ago, Breeks is moisturising his legs. Petra’s catching up wi old blue peter episodes, Joannie’s intermittent at best, Meg’s having a quiet retreat, pointy finger’s again at Alex, and galamcennalath’s at the gala of course.

    But where’s the other honourable mentions?

    Smallaxe has been polishing his wit, Tinto’s wrapped in a pashmina butterfly spotting, BDTT is djing in the den, Ronnie’s at the courthoose, PR’s playing dusty fur me, handandshrimp’s always on hand, heraldnomore is reading the National, Croomp’s havin’ a larf at the Rev’s annoyance, Stoker’s pure dead stoking the Indy flames elsewhere, Yesguy’s still tuning in wi a wee cheeky grin. Then there’s Chick and there’s DavemcEHill who post erudite prose with a touch of real skill and of course there’s Schrodingers Cat and Mike D which puts paid tae the shite that a handful on Wings ‘dominate’ all that you see.

    Awa’n bile yer heid ya listmaking jobbie.

    (There’s many I’ve missed because the post would be too long, but to aw the wonderful Wingers who regularly contribute and those who do less so, ye aw count on Wings!)

  267. Chick McGregor says:


    Erm, on any (sizeable) forum there is going to be a top twenty most frequent poster list.

  268. Tinto Chiel says:

    K1: marvellous stuff.

    Could I respectfully point out, it’s a lungi, not a pashmina.

    I like trees, too. Doesn’t make you a bad person.

    Apart from that, carry on!

    Night all.

  269. Liz Rannoch says:

    Tuned into EBC news to catch up on Barcelona.

    Bloody idiot interviewing Aamer Anwar TWICE called him Anwar!!

    Aamer is there for conference at Catalunya Uni about independence and human rights tho’.

    Lee Gavin is an ignorant git.

    Hate going to ma bed seething!

  270. K1 says:


    *shakes heid, there’s always one who wants it ‘just perfect’, hhhm!*

    (*ah’ll always see him in a pashmina*)

  271. Ian Brotherhood says:

    @K1 (11.08) –

    🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

    Brilliantly sparkling muchmost!


  272. jfngw says:

    @Ian Brotherhood

    Presumably you don’t get any thrills at Firhill either now.

  273. K1 says:

    🙂 Ian

  274. Smallaxe says:

    K1, Splendiferous!
    😎 (I’m on a horse)

  275. Smallaxe says:

    K1 says: “(*ah’ll always see him in a pashmina*)”

    I don’t think so K1, you should have been over in O/T at 11:06pm.

    Sorry, Tinto, for grassin ye up but I needed the money

    Tinto Chiel says:
    17 August, 2017 at 11:06 pm
    “Smallaxe, Ian.

    You caught me doing Last Call for the night in my stylish winceyette fuchsia PJs with Velcro attachments”
    😎 (disguise)

  276. heedtracker says:

    indy says:
    17 August, 2017 at 6:52 pm
    Peffers and Heedtarcker

    Why are you two on every second post.

    Have you got shares in Wings

    Because its fun, duh.

    Cant speak for Rab though.

    WoS blog is always a really great read, every one of them and its fun to give it big YES Scotland btl licks.

    Scots are lied to from the moment we are born. We are lied to about who we are, what we are, about who owns Scotland, how we are reigned over and why, in this shithead union.

    Hope this helps.

  277. Alex Clark says:


    To be honest I had nothing against Sensible Dave either, he is as entitled to his viewpoint as I am to mine. Don’t think he was a rotter just a misguided poor soul.

  278. K1 says:

    Jeezuz H Smallaxe, (yer 50 pence is in the post btw)…ah mean’velcro’ anaw!

    Ahm speechless wi the sheer boldness o’ the chiel, *shakes heid…aye, again*
    (*bet he really suits fuchsia tae, handsome git can wear anything*)

  279. Smallaxe says:

    Heedtracker says; “Hope this helps”

    It helped me, I got all you said off my chest, I hope you feel better for it also Heedy. Thank you.

  280. K1 says:

    I enjoyed fighting wi him…he was a cheeky condescending patronising wanker, but ye knew where you were with him. Tory git.

    I claim the longest running conversation with him, over the period of a week…he’s not been about much since then, I’ve often wondered whether that spat finished him off on Wings…who knows, if he sees this I’m sure he’ll tell me where tae get aff 🙂

  281. Meg merrilees says:

    Well done Indy,

    you’ve managed to get your name mentioned about 19 times on this thread alone – quite an achievement; some might even say you had managed to dominate the thread today
    So-oo-oo boring!
    Are you a paid Troll???

    Pity you missed out Smallaxe, Nana and Cactus from your list AND SO MANY OTHERS. Cactus deserves a special mention as he oft times keeps the thread going for hours, alone, through the wee sma’ hoors. ( Don’t you think?)

    What a silly person you are.

    K1 wish I was having a quiet retreat – all a bit busy these days!!!

  282. Still Positive says:

    Hope the Rev recovers enough to put a new post up in the morning before Chris on Saturday.

  283. colin alexander says:

    Parliamentary sovereignty for Holyrood is the next logical step.

    Once we have that, we can decide for ourselves what we want to do next and when.

    Westminster hegemony over Scotland would be finished.

    The phrase: “only with Westminster’s permission” would be gone from Scotland, hopefully forever.

  284. Smallaxe says:

    Drum Roll for the Mouldy Roll seeking Control.

  285. Cactus says:

    Drum roll… nae bother Smallaxe, your wish is my pleasure.

    Here’s sovereign Stevie on them:

    What a wonder!

  286. Alex Clark says:

    @Still Positive

    Chris is on holiday again LOL. Might be left to our own devices for a while yet, mind you it has been a lot worse in the past when that has happened. I reckon we’re getting on just great 🙂

    Could do with some politics though to feed my addiction.

  287. Rock says:


    “We are Sovereign.”

    Scotland has been a colony of England for 310 years.

    Scots are second class citizens of the United Kingdom.

    Scottish SNP MPs are jeered at and ignored in the UK parliament. They can’t get a single thing done.

    A majority of us are too selfish, too British Nationalist or too stupid to be independent.

    We will soon be out of the European Union against our will.

    We host someone else’s nuclear weapons close to our largest city.

    We are the laughing stock of the world.

    Well at least some have the thread of pretendy “sovereignty” to hang on to.

  288. Cactus says:

    Mornin’ Alex ~

    Maybe the lovely Lorna will have something for us on Saturday…

    Aye, ah reckon when politics returns.. it’ll be fireworks!

    We’re in the eye of the unionist storm tish now.

    When we’re free, we’ll be iScotland.

    ‘Mon the excellent ScotGov.

    ps hehe it’s all pleasure for me Meg x, the ‘candle of hope’ burns through the night, I’m a time traveller, Wings 24/7 365.

    With these Wings, I believe I can fly 😉

    It’s freakin’ Friday folks.

  289. Meg merrilees says:

    Hoots, Cactus!

    On the night watch again?

  290. Cactus says:

    Aye aye Meg, we’re taking turns by turning tables down here in Gretna. All is well at the invisible welcome border at the mo. No attempted break-ins, although movement noticed and noted on the enemy lines. Extra patrols added for the duration.

    I will turn my report in at seventeen hundred hours.

    Music is pleasure, nice one K1. 🙂

    For Scotland,

  291. scottieDog says:

    Brexit might be the end of the british delusion. Talking to aviation colleagues – mostly BritNat of course. I quizzed them abut open skies and what they will do when we are out of that agreement.
    The reply is a shrug of the shoulders – it’ll work out they say.
    Underlying all of this is the ‘but we’re British’ arrogant delusion that everything will be shaped around ‘us’.
    Perhaps brexit will be enough to shock some out of this empire mentality. We’ll see.

    Airlines sell their summer schedule a good 6 -9 months before. So March 2019 flights ain’t going to be planned if there’s no agreement by summer 2018.
    It’s ok though we’re british

  292. izzie says:

    Saw 3000 trees The Death of Mr William Macrae at the Fringe. Scary stuff not only the details about break ins and stolen dossiers but the attempts by the establishment to discredit him what he called ‘the whispers’ because he was vocal.

  293. scunner says:

    Anyone else catch the car-crash interview with Christine Jardine on radio shortbread just now?

    That well-known supporter of Independence, the Herald (!), reports she overspent on her election.

    She huffed and puffed and, you guessed it – blamed the SNP!

    What an absolute roaster.

  294. sinky says:

    Christine Jardine claiming snp ran dirty campaign in Ed West on GMS at 8.22. Also says a non story from Herald but Tom Gordon is only Journo who investigates election expenses returns. Meanwhile Scotsman has no mention of Jardine’s expenses but has Brian Wilson blaming Snp for waspi women and usual Yoon letters one claiming India partition is reason to maintain union.

  295. Highland Wifie says:

    Good morning all.
    According to EBC news website “British” salmon sales helped the UK export a record amount of food and drink first quarter of this year and “British ” salmon is becoming more popular globally!
    That’ll be the River Thames salmon I’m guessing??

  296. Dorothy Devine says:

    Just caught up with the appalling Torrance article in the Guardian and an old haunting turned up below the line , this requires a drum roll ,

    boom tish, John MacIntyre OBE .

    His views have not changed ,nor his intellectual input – sad really!

    As for the would be biographer/journalist – see above.

  297. Smallaxe says:

    The first thing Theresa May did when she returned from holiday brought shame on the entire UK;

    There’s a new Topic up, posted by Rev.Stu.

  298. Dr Jim says:

    How to write Scotland out in a sentence

    BBC news index reporting this morning on how massively increased exports of “UK Salmon and Whisky” are the top sellers

    Brexit is a comin, Scottish produce no more

    In a Tweet yesterday Police Scotland sarcastically pointed out to the BBC that their reporting of information could be more accurate….for the second time in two weeks

    On Radio Scotland yesterday a London comedian asked another comedian if he had learned to speak Scottish yet, this was asked in the local dialect of that region of Inglind so I’m paraphrasing because his command of actual Inglish was poor
    but given that most of we Scots understand many dialects due to our superior education and the continual bombardment of our airwaves by Inglish programming I am able to bring this information to you

    Funnily enough, in Inglish
    If further translations are required I can do perfect Spanish or a less competent German
    May I point out to our Inglish cousins that regional accents of all languages are common to the entirety of the worlds countries and just being Inglish doesn’t mean you actually speak that language well or at times even coherently

    One of the reasons why ABBA were so successful apart from the quality of their songwriting was their tone and clarity of Inglish when singing and “My My” they were Swedish and Norwegian

    I also do sarcasm!

  299. Smallaxe says:

    Dr Jim says: “I also do sarcasm!”

    We noticed that, Dr Jim.
    🙂 Good morning, sir.

  300. Smallaxe says:

    People Must Self-organize, Keep Up the Pressure on Their Governments If We Are to Bring About Radical Change;

  301. Robert Peffers says:

    @colin alexander says: 17 August, 2017 at 9:01 pm:

    “Well, I tried to help the SNP by suggesting my proposals for Scottish sovereignty and tactics etc, instead of saying it on here to people that aren’t interested.”

    If anything ever exposed Colin’s strange, and rather nebulous, mind-set that comment says it all.

    I expect I am just wasting my, and Colin’s, time but here goes a few wee factual truths that Colin seems totally unaware exist – never mind perceives as being the actual true facts.

    The SNP are, (far as I can ascertain(, is a totally democratically run Political Party in which the membership all have exactly the same number of votes on all party policy matters. That is – the party hierarchy have no mechanism to order the members to do anything but the members do have the mechanism to tell the elected to office and elected to government members what they must do.

    The party that is the SNP, at least for the time being, are the party in power in the Scottish Parliament, but the SG is composed of the party in power and the opposition parties. i.e. All bills must be voted upon to become Acts of The Scottish Parliament by the whole of the elected to government MSPs and the system is designed to differ from Westminster where the Party in power are virtually a dictatorship. Holyrood is supposedly working as Consensus politics, while Westminster is designed to be confrontational politics.

    The only way any opposition MSP can by-pass the consensus politics set-up is by abstention and just one look at FMQ’s exposes the truth that the Unionist parties have effectively reverted the whole concept of consensus into a unified, and co-ordinated, attack upon anything and everything the party with the majority over any other party, (or indeed them all working in unison). It effect they follow their Westminster masters confrontational politics roots.

    I could still log in, but as my membership is lapsed, I am unable to submit policy ideas.”

    As explained above, Colin, it is the SNP Grass-Roots membership that decides SNP party policy democratically at National Conference as debated and voted upon by the delegates, who are delegated by the branch members, to carry out the grass-roots members wishes at National Conference.

    So just where did you get the strange idea the party leadership had any powers to do anything about a non-party person attempting to influence them in any way by making suggestions they do what that non-party member was suggesting?

    Your entire concept of Scottish politics is entirely based upon your own adherence to the Westminster model of how a parliament is run.

    If anyone, (as I’ve posted here on Wings to several destructive, rather that constructive, complainers), wants to influence, (or complain), about SNP Party Policies then the only way that can be done is via their local branch meetings via the long established way the SNP is run. – DEMOCRATICALLY Via their branch meetings.

  302. Smallaxe says:

    Dead terrorists
    Posted on 18/08/2017 by Peter A Bell;

  303. Dr Jim says:

    @Smallaxe Good morning sir

    Right back Atcha! and a fine one it is too here in Glasgow land my friend

  304. Smallaxe says:

    It’s a lovely day here in the south of North Britain, Dr Jim.
    Have a peaceful and pleasant day, my friend.

  305. @Liz Rannoch
    17 August, 2017 at 3:21 pm
    Thanks Liz, I didn’t have time to read all the

    And didn’t know there was going to
    be a rally in Dunfermline on the 26th.

    I am not on twitter or facebook either
    But I will e-mail my party colleagues to
    let them know

  306. The Proctor Lewis says:

    Ian Brotherhood says:
    17 August, 2017 at 10:41 pm
    Ye jist canny get decent Mortons Rolls these days!

    Do you want to Play ……..connect the dots………..
    ……………..Mortons ……….Drugs……….Scotland in Union……………..
    Your go.

  307. The Proctor Lewis says:

    Oh Smallaxe
    you can’t play, you know to much, and get your BMW taxed its up.

  308. The Proctor Lewis says:

    Oh Smallaxe
    you can’t play this game, I know what you know, and get that BMW taxed, its up.

  309. Smallaxe says:

    Missing Brexit Bankers in Dublin Trigger Political Blame Game
    By Peter Flanagan
    18 August 2017, 00:01 BST;

  310. Robert Peffers says:

    @scunner says: 18 August, 2017 at 8:33 am:

    “Anyone else catch the car-crash interview with Christine Jardine on radio shortbread just now?”

    Yes, scunner, I noted that too, As always my first move of a morning is to read the news agencies to get the same news the MSM gets but without the MSM spin.

    Then I read the BBC text service as that is also carried on the TV set radio channels on Freeview. I do not watch any live TV propaganda broadcasts.

    So here is the most idiotic BBC headline spin this a.m.

    Salmon sales help food exports hit record.

    This one is really a classic, and I quote it as is – the bold bits quoted are bolded by me:-


    “Sales of BRITISH salmon helped the UK to export a record value of food and drink in the first half of the year, according to industry figures.

    Exports of the fish jumped more than 53% by value to £408million, the Food & Drink Federation, (FDF), said.

    UK food & drink exports rose 8.5% to £10.2 billion, helped by a fall in the pound after last year’s Brexit vote.

    But the FDF warned that without a favourable Brexit trade deal, BRITISH exports could become less competitive.


    I’m almost sure the BBC text article also originally stated the value for the drinks export industry as UK exports but that has now been dropped from the report.

    No mention is made that the mainstay of the food & drinks exports are the entire, “Scotch”, whisky of Scotland and that 70% of the UK Gin exports is Scottish as are much of the beer and ale exports. So also is the salmon all Scottish salmon, but according to the BBC these are all United Kingdom assets and thus United Kingdom/British exports.

  311. Smallaxe says:

    The Proctor Lewis, Ssshhh, I’ve already had my TV license taken away for Dangerous Watching!

    See you in Court/Jail.

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