Wings Over Scotland

SNP make significant progress on cure for insomnia…

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To all left wing Stalinists. Thanks for nothing.

Captain Yossarian says:
25 May, 2021 at 6:07 am

…, the Scottish public are in the main fairly daft nowadays and find the whole subject of voting correctly too complex

The Scottish public are deeply indoctrinated by the subversive media and endemic propaganda.

And I mean endemic, self renewing; just look at the idiots supposedly on our side trying to smear and castigate Alex Salmond for the things he didn’t do. Who needs the BBC to stitch him up when stupid YES supporters just need pointed in that general direction, and do the propagandists job for them while the BBC can sink back into the shadows with a smirk on its face… job done.

Sturgeon’s first failing as First Minister (and what a warning that was in hindsight) was to do NOTHING after the 2014 YES defeat, and let the lying bastard Unionists and their Vow off the hook.

Cast your mind back, and you will remember Better Together and the UK Government pledging more powers for Holyrood but never quite defining what those powers were. The pledge was solid, but the deceit was in the non-explicit definition of what ‘more powers’ actually meant.

That was the first open goal Sturgeon missed. Her first action as First Minister in November 2014 could have been to hit the ground running after YES was defeated by the lying Vow, and held a snap plebiscite to have the sovereign Scottish people choose by ballot the actual powers which they wanted returned. Westminster would have had to deliver those powers, or prompt a Constitutional crisis when YES was running rampant.

Top of the list for those powers could have been Broadcasting, and had that happened, Union TV would have had it’s monopoly shattered, and Scotland would be an Independent Nation by now.

But as we know, Sturgeon did nothing, and the Unionists were allowed to explain that “more powers” actually meant fk all.

OK, maybe I’ll be conciliatory and accept that maybe wasn’t the easiest of open goals Sturgeon has squandered. Maybe there wasn’t the mood for a snap plebiscite so soon after the Referendum … but I maintain it was an open goal, and it was definitely the first she squandered.

It was also however, my first inkling that Sturgeon lacked courage and wasn’t a fighter, but despite being a cynic from the off, I’d no idea just how truly dismal a “leader” she really was.

@ Breeks

Re. The linked article. This section near the end caught my eye.

“The proposals we set out are only options. Whether all or any of them are taken forward are political decisions and choices for future governments in Scotland to make. The time and pace of any such change will be determined by future Scottish governments according to the circumstances of the day.”

Future Governments? So as you say, best we just go to sleep for the duration of the current parliamentary term if they aren’t going to implement anything significant to address all the issues they raise in the previous waffle.

Andy Ellis,
I’m pretty sure that othering a section of a community will always draw parallels with 1930s Germany.
Surely this can’t be a surprise?

Perhaps you believe that your type of othering is the good sort of othering and 1930s is the bad sort.

Maybe creating an untermensch class nowadays is acceptable, after all, there are enough people in agreement with this line of thinking, maybe even a consensus.

Maybe this is the largest Stanford prison experiment ever, who knows.

Maybe it’s just a case of might is right.

Maybe you don’t believe you’re indulging in a goodly amount of othering.

Wherever we are as a society is measured by how we treat people who are different from us, I wouldn’t expect our society to receive pass marks regarding the coronavirus but I also don’t think you should dismiss people by using Godwin’s law to disregard their concerns.

Of course, it’s not pleasant being accused of ownership of Nazi doctrines but perhaps it’s time to take stock of what you are actually arguing for.

Daddy Bear aka Alyn Smith who has been given the preposterous made up title of SNP Foreign and Commonwealth spokesperson probably by Sturgeon the Betrayer, to give the impression that the SNP actually has some power at Westminster when they have none, got his tuppence worth in yesterday in the HoC over the hijacking of the Ryanair flight.

Smith like McDonald just can’t help himself when he said that it seems that Minsk must have had some sort of help from Russia in the hijacking.

Those SNP MP idiots that we voted in, to do our bidding for in the HoC, to further Scotland’s interests, in my book didn’t include them also doing England’s bidding for them, by commenting on and ergo making enemies of countries on the international stage.

The SNP MPs are acting in the HoC as though they are and have been part of the Westminster establishment since its inception.

The trouble is not the Scots constantly snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

The problem is thinking that appeals to democratic principles and fairness would actually win Scotland autonomy as a country.

‘We are a fair people and just want to rule our ourselves.’
‘We have the democratic right to this or that’

The world of international politics is as medieval as it ever was, with only the veneer becoming more sophisticated.

Someone mentioned in a post a day or so ago that he thinks there’s more people making decisions on Scotland future, due to it being a geostrategic country, such as the USA. This is absolutely correct and it goes beyond just the USA.

There is literally no power on earth which will leave Scots unmolested and alone while we have such an outsized source of natural resources. We are for all intents and purposes a wet, windy and dim version of Iraq or Iran or any of these other middle eastern countries. We are a part of the geopolitical chessboard and the British (and the establishment who decide British policy) along with the US would make absolutely sure we have no risk of looking Eastwards rather than West when it comes to our future allies and partners. The best way to achieve this is to make sure Scotland does not achieve real autonomy.

I know oil and gas are slowly going the way of coal but the fact is militaries still run on oil products and international trade and industry is still reliant on the natural resources Scotland has in abundance.

So a Scottish independence movement based on appeals of democracy to a group of powers who have no strategic reason to listen is going to fail. That doesn’t even touch on the debt cartel of international banks who literally want their pound of flesh from any country that would gain political autonomy – this is a subject that opens doors to a whole new world of power and global conflict.

What is needed is a Scottish independence movement that is plugged into and helps to lead the growing nationalist movements over the world, shunning only those who through extreme positions make themselves easy targets for propaganda and state action. Primary on this list of allies would be English nationalists – who want the exact thing we want.

Scottish independence should be about empowering our people economically – regardless of how much political autonomy we have or dont have. Scots need to help other Scots to become financially independent and business savvy.

Scottish independence should be about reinforcing and pushing our cultural traditions. For example we should be trying to make St Andrews day as big a piss up as St Patricks day worldwide.

Scottish independence should be about promoting, strengthening and protecting the people of Scotland. One big example of this is that any worthwhile Scottish independence movement would be questioning everything involved with the covid situation and fighting against mandates and actions that break international law. The GRA and hate speech stuff should literally be the food on which a Scottish independence movement grows and strengthens due to people being forced into facing realities.

All of the above can be done regardless of who sits their arse on the FM chair or the PM’s position in westminster.

As ive said before currently Scottish Independence looks to me to be basically an appeal for democracy to those who do not care about popular will, while promoting the kind of issues you might find in University student unions or 1980’s style talking points (torys bad), while ultimately ordinary Scots are left wondering what good they are except to vote at the right time.

The cliquish, leftward pro EU snobbishness that has been the hallmark of the Scottish independence movement needs to die. We need to be putting all our people as 1st consideration, even if they disagree with us, while building as large a network of allies internationally (the EU never was and never will be our ally) and working on the legal and economic fronts as well as the political.

The idea that you have to wait for the next election to make positive changes for the Scots is the problem. The list of humanity crushing government actions taken by both WM and Holyrood should be a rallying call.

@Joe

We may have our differences in other areas but I happen to agree with much of your analysis.

Sadly, you don’t see Scots “doing a la Diada” like our Catalan friends and turning out in their millions for demonstrations. Much as some folk enjoy a duander down the Royal Mile accompanied by saltires and bagpipes, AUOB and similar look a bit dropped off in comparison with Barcelona on la Diada. Similarly I can’t really see the leadership of the Scots indy movement risking jail time for the cause: indeed to our horror we now see they’re more likely to “arrange” for the jailing of those they disagree with.

Maybe the best hope of independence isn’t actually relying on Scots to do it themselves, but waiting for English nationalism and exceptionalism to deliver it for us? It’s a sad enough indictment of the appetite of Scots for change or exercising their much vaunted popular sovereignty. I’ve never had any time for the “Scotland is a colony” narrative, but perhaps like the colonies after WW2 our best hope is having independence bestowed on us by Westminster if we lack the bottle to take it for ourselves.

Sam Adams was right in 1776, I’m just not sure that there are enough Scots animated enough to contest for their freedom rather than crouch down and lick the hand that feeds them.

J.O.E.

Scotland’s social and political predicament reflects a colonial and hence an oppressive reality. Scots have to figure out that independence is therefore first and foremost decolonisation.

link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com

Andy Ellis 10.56

You wrote “Maybe the best hope of independence isn’t actually relying on Scots to do it themselves, but waiting for English nationalism and exceptionalism to deliver it for us?”

As so often the case here on Wings, you demonstrate that you really do not understand the English.

Generally speaking, the English are proud of their country, believe in fair play … and are democrats.

In polls, whenever English folk are asked their views on Scottish Independence, then the majority view is always that Scotland should do whatever the majority of Scots want to do in terms of being in, or out, of the EU.

There is a strange phenomena that often surfaces here. It appears to me that many Yessers are not content with the goal of achieving Independence, they need/want/desire English folk to be up arms trying to stop it. Its some sort of weird mutation of the Stockholm Syndrome.

Please understand, generally speaking, English folk don’t care/mind whether Scotland stays in or leaves the Union. Where we do have a view is when we are perceived as part of the problem and when, as often happens here, the not so thinly disguised anti-english stuff is allowed to be spouted without rebuke.

So, I wouldn’t wait for help from the English Andy. As has always been the case, and will continue to be, it is Scottish voters that will decide Scotland’s future. Folk here on WIngs need to take stock and try to understand, after all of this time, after everything that has been said, why Scottish voters are not convinced by the Independence argument.

Indeed Breastplate .

Having their own broadcaster is the crucial difference between us : not that it is uniformly pro-Independista , but it allows that voice to be heard and is not subject to the relentless * anti * propaganda as we are . And , aye , the weather does make a big difference , as does the tradition/culture of street protest .

Also worth bearing in mind there are more people in Barcelona alone that the whole of Scotland

Alf Baird says:
25 May, 2021 at 11:11 am
J.O.E.

Scotland’s social and political predicament reflects a colonial and hence an oppressive reality. Scots have to figure out that independence is therefore first and foremost decolonisation.

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Of course; but it’s possible that a majority of the Scots have been so thoroughly domesticated by Angleland so that decolonisation is no longer viable.

It’s what regimes in Beijing and Jakarta rely on to incorporate and deculturate conquered peoples into the “Motherland”.

I must admit I was thoroughly surprised by the results of the recent Holywood elections.

I thought that that the pro-independence side would win a significant majority because of enough votes for both SNP/ALBA.

But the vast majority of voters voted to have a high proportion of Unionists, in accordance with the SNP’s wishes.

The SNP must be the most anti-independence “independnece” party since elections were invented!!!

Correction:

I meant to write:

“But the vast majority of INDEPENDENCE voters voted to have a high proportion of Unionists, in accordance with the SNP’s wishes.

@Sensibledave 11.50am

I think I understand them pretty well: I’ve spent half my life in England and half in Scotland. My wife is English and my paternal grandmother was from Wearside. I have family all over the UK. My first degree was from an English uni, my further degree from a Scottish one. In general I agree that most English folk don’t really care that much about Scotland: they know little about the place and care less. It always struck me when I lived there how few had even visited Scotland or knew anything much about it.

Personally I didn’t see or hear much anti Scottish sentiment, but they probably knew I wasn’t the kind who would just take it. There are of course a minority of folk in both country’s who will express intolerant or bigoted views: I don’t believe they are representative of the general population in either.

Perhaps there is an element of “Jockholm Syndrome” amongst some Scots: the ties of empire, history and 300 years of lacking our own parliament is bound to have an impact. I did see a marked change in attitudes in England in the last 5-10 years before I moved back to Scotland in 2018. It was definitely due in part to UKIP and the relentless fluffing of Farage and anti Eu and anti immigration sentiment. I think the general outlook for many “ordinary” English folk (particularly in the shires) is markedly different from that in Scotland.

If anything I’m less hopeful now than I was a few years ago that both countries can make positive progress: if anything I think as a society we are regressing. The days of “things can only get better” in 1997 seem pretty distant – almost unreal in fact. I heard on the radio true other day that higher positions in the civil service are actually less diverse in terms of their social background than they were in the 80s and 90s. I honestly don’t envy young people in either country at present. We certainly haven’t helped them.

There will be no Independence while the present administration stay in place.
How do we affect that sorry fact?
Almost impossible while most of the membership and a very large portion of the electorate back Sturgeon.

The power at present lies in Westminster and the only party in Scotland who are protesting against the LGT and gender nonsense and theattacks on women’s rights are the Scottish Conservatives.
This is the weakness in Sturgeons plot, most people are very much against this sort of social experimentation and an alliance with the Scottish Conservatives could be the way to have Sturgeon removed.
I have never thought that independence could be achieved by all out war…Softly Softly catchee monkey.

@Alf Baird

Thank you for sharing the article.

Im going to be honest and colonization by England or by Britain is not my main concern now. That’s not to make light of the very real issues that your article discusses. While the political situation is very much a Scotland v Britain contest it is not the root of what is most concerning to pretty much all of us at this moment and why we need to revert to a strong form of nationalism.

What has us in its grip now also has the people of England, Wales and pretty much everywhere else in the same grasp to varying degrees.

There is a reason that pretty much every 1st world country is having the woke agenda rammed down their throats in spite of the clear reality denying madness of it. We have the same attempt to open our borders to the 3rd world and the same attempts to shame (and even legislate) critics into silence. Its not a coincidence and its not British colonisation – it is international in nature and the current UK government and every main party is owned by it.

The massive corporations flying their rainbow flags and talking about moving into a 4th industrial revolution are not doing so because of a wish to create a ‘better world’. What they want is to gut nation states of their abilities to protect their people while the media and university muppets paint any semblance of real nationalism that puts up a barrier to them as fascism.

In fact every person on earth who believes that people and their nations should be able to dictate their own future in their own ways are our allies in this.

Corporate (banking at its root) internationalism v nationalism is the arena we now find ourselves in I think.

Rikali @ 12:20

“It’s what regimes in Beijing and Jakarta rely on to incorporate and deculturate conquered peoples into the “Motherland”.”

Yes, this is what is known as cultural imperialism which is a key feature of colonialism and illustrates why national culture (including language), which gives us national consciousness, is always a major factor in independence struggles. The Brits have a long established cultural strategy designed to inhibit Scots’ desire for independence, whereas the SNP has no cultural strategy to address what is essentially a cultural conflict. This despite the fact that most peoples in self-determination conflict are culturally and linguistically divided, though the SNP elite does not appear to have noticed this. The dilemma with colonial incorporation of ethnic groups/cultures, as Albert Memmi found, is that “assimilation and colonization are contradictory”; there “is only one way out of the colonial situation, and the colonized realizes it sooner or later”.

J.o.e says:
25 May, 2021 at 12:59 pm

“What has us in its grip now also has the people of England, Wales and pretty much everywhere else in the same grasp to varying degrees.”

Correct , its a complete lack of numeracy or any understanding at all of Scotlands or any other Regions economics. link to ifs.org.uk

Don,
Perhaps Constitutional Dennis can help with a partial understanding.

link to youtube.com

On the Alba party front.

“THE SNP is to replace the MPs who defected to Alex Salmond’s Alba Party on the Westminster committees they sat on.

Neale Hanvey and Kenny MacAskill will lose their places on the committees following their departure from the party in March.

Both MPs have said they do not intend to regularly travel to London now they are Alba MPs, and will only do so for crucial votes.”

Cenchos, I am worried about these ‘lodged motions’- perhaps an enema ????

Breastplate says:
25 May, 2021 at 4:12 pm
Don,
It has been explained to you on numerous occasions by many different people why you are an imbecile.
Unfortunately for you Don, there is no cure.

Unfortunately its you that has the complete lack of understanding for anything the SNP’s own advisors explain for the people of Scotland’s benefit link to fraserofallander.org

@Republicofscotland 25 May, 2021 at 4:43 pm

“THE SNP is to replace the MPs who defected to Alex Salmond’s Alba Party on the Westminster committees they sat on.
Neale Hanvey and Kenny MacAskill will lose their places on the committees following their departure from the party in March.
Both MPs have said they do not intend to regularly travel to London now they are Alba MPs, and will only do so for crucial votes”

So they both are going to keep on taking Taxpayers money and Expenses when it suits them but have no intention of doing the job properly ? MacAskill was already known as a waste of space that cared little for locals around East Lothian

Very interesting that Boris stating that Muslim women look like
Letter boxes, Black women have watermelon smiles etc
is not racist but just poor judgement???

How would Hunza’s hate crime bill deal with that then?

Also Sex Pest Tory MP making unwanted and undenied sexual advances
on another man is to face a vote to see if he should be suspended for 6 weeks.

Salmond cleared of all charges faced years of accusations to ruin him.
Real Tory sex offender faces a vote?
Worst case penalty a 6 week holiday from work?

How does Scotland stand for this? FFS

Anybody else remember the promises made by the SNP under the command of Sturgeon a few years back?

We were going to have radical Land Reform laws enacted, our own film industry, we were going to have our own Transport Police Force and a few other eye catching headlines, all bullshit.

We will be hit with more of her shit as the new Parliament gets under way.

Sturgeon is a pervert, disguised as a politician.

And anyone close to her seems to have their own little perversions, from her so called “husband” to Smith the “supplier”.

Independence and the running of the Colony seems to be an irritating distant afterthought.

@Republicofscotland 25 May, 2021 at 8:41 pm

“They’ve been replaced, but they’ll still be available for crucial votes, what do you want them to do in between float around Westminster doing nothing like the current SNP MPs”

They have only been replaced on relevant Comittees they were on , not replaced as SNP MP’s daftie, they remain as Independent MP’s until they resign or get voted out but in the meantime hardly turning up.

@ Dave Somerville

Ach, talk of radical land reform tax to bring ownership back to the people was in, eh, checks notes… 2017. #EarlyCarrot

link to sourcenews.scot

Captain Yossarian says:
25 May, 2021 at 8:02 pm
Effigy says:
25 May, 2021 at 7:48 pm

The other way of looking at it is that this is the right way to do it. Why send anyone to the High Court? In Alex Salmond’s case, would a 6-week suspension not have been more appropriate?

Reply
Did Alex Salmond do anything that merited a 6 week suspension?

Dan 8.50om

Yes Dan, Sturgeon is an expert Carrot Dangler.

And our “Tim but Dim” Scottish public just can’t get enough of them.

Ruby 9.53pm

I think you better take that up with Harry Enfield Ruby.

link to theoldie.co.uk

I think peeps are missing the origin of “Tim Nice But Dim”.

link to youtube.com

Brian 10.15om

Nailed it.

Our thicko Scottish electorate.

Sturgeon just loves them, as do they Sturgeon.

As Ruby says, it’s Murdo Fraser. Unsurprisingly, it doesn’t contain anything of substance outside of the headline. More detail is needed like what MacNeil actually said, for example, to get the bigger context.

link to archive.is

There is no denying that it is pretty grim that Scottish shipbuilding has struggled with decline which keeps continuing (resisted using the temptation to use ‘sunk to such depths’). But he’s right, the islands need ships and since the last ship (built in Germany) has had “numerous problems”, looking to shipyards which have successfully delivered in the past means looking at Gdansk.

Rather than being called out by a party MP on their lack of strategy, the SG should be looking at this as an opportunity for rebuilding. Gdansk has ties to Scotland going back hundreds of years. And if you can’t ask your friends for help, then who can you ask?

A serving of Hate Crime Korma (mild karma) for Boomerang Girl.

link to twitter.com

Dave Somerville @10:45

“Sturgeon just loves them, as do they Sturgeon.”

To those outside the Dear Leader’s fan club, the whole thing resembles Stockholm Syndrome. The more abuse that gets dished out in the form of crap legislation and regulation which nobody wants, or cover up, sleaze and incompetence at the highest levels of the Government/SNP, the more they love her for it.

Ask them why Sturgeon has been pissing down our backs for six years and they’ll tell you “it’s just raining”.

.
Dave Somerville at 10.13pm,

Very well put sir. I also feel your pain.

Yet, in the end, New Labour was cast out into the political wilderness for a decade since 2010 and probably and other decade before it might ever get another turn at UK Government.

Does anyone else get a wee bit of deja vu here?

Alex Salmond is having another megaton of public opprobrium dumped upon his head by a malfunctioning, all-powerful government. This time the Derek MacKay deviants party headed by the Dreghorn Dirker.

When you look back on Tony Blair and the post-nuclear Armageddon ruins of the New Labour Party, Blair isn’t even a political joke…

Ex prime minister Tony Blair is a despised political pariah.

I guarantee every decent soul on this Wings forum, we might be a minority now, but that does not make us wrong.

Ex first minister Nicola Festering Sturgeon will be a worse political pariah than Blair ever has been. This is because Blair just sold out the Labour Party. Whilst Sturgeon The Betrayer has sold out an entire nation.

I could almost feel sorry for Sturgeon. The political fallout is inexorably headed her way. She will be lucky to escape court and a prison sentence. Unlike Blair, Sturgeon is a disposable, over-promoted little bit part player from Ayrshire.

David Somerville, you make an interesting point, and for those who try and get their mind around thid 3D game of political chess head-fuckery we are in right now, trying to figure out the end-game, I have but one rehtorical question…

I hope, indeed I have a strange feeling it will be the Alba Party.

Stranger things have happened.

Keep the heed Wingers, get the popcorn in. There’s a lot going on behind the scenes. First fall is likely to happen when the well placed whistleblower and her witness go to the polis about the £600,000 and details of whose fingerprints are all over the (now empty) box it came in.

As far as “roasters” go, I’m surprised Andy Ellis can still type, wedged as he is between Sturgeon and her strapon at one end, and Fauci’s diseased member at the other.

Remember to put maple syrup on your waffle if it’s stale and unpalatable…

link to archive.is

Piss taker in chief there, studiously avoiding the “I” word. Possibly the only skill she’s got.

Grant Shaps on breakfast TV condemning Dominique Cummings
Eyesight test drive to Barnard Castle?

After all those months of the entire Tory team trying to defend it
we now hear that if he is going to use the truth against them, they
Are going to use it against him.

Cummings actions back then supposedly make Him untrustworthy.

Has Double Speak been adopted into the U.K. constitution?

Breeks

Once again, thanks for pointing-out the sheer hypocricy of The Great Leader, as she once again totally forgets to mention INdependence, when looking ahead to her new term in government.

How much longer do we have to wait, before the great unwashed sheep who vote SNP realise – they should have listened to The Who, or Abraham Lincoln, rather than the wee nyaff frae Dreghorn.

” one man “

Killing Joke…

“Arms firms selling weapons to Israel received nearly £10m in Scottish Enterprise grants”

link to twitter.com

“Bee-killing pesticide treatment for fish farms backed by Scottish Government

link to twitter.com

I just cancelled my part in a pub meet up with family and
old friends because I refuse to give support to Fascist “track and trace”. Society is being held hostage by idiots among the general public who sell their souls for a drink. To all lockdown fanatics thanks for absolutely fucking nothing you damned numbnuts. Why are the public such peasants?

“They have only been replaced on relevant Comittees they were on , not replaced as SNP MP’s daftie, they remain as Independent MP’s until they resign or get voted out but in the meantime hardly turning up.”

Don.

So you’d rather they sat on their arses in the HoC and were unable to affect anything in a positive manner, than come to Scotland and speak with their constituents on their concerns, sounds like a both votes SNP point of view if you ask me.

@ Cenchos at 2:12 pm
“Anyone who finds themselves in favour with the SNP might want to look hard and deep into their own past and see what the party could use as, um, motivational leverage. ”
Someone else expressed similar, Within this thread I think, I have been looking for that one, It is my believe that “motivational leverage” is the major weapon used by Murrell and Co.
If one looks into the “suspects background” it’s usually not far from the surface, But they need to be “outed” before the controllers get exposed

Christ not another report from the SNP that finds just what a great wee country Scotland can be when it becomes independent, the latest in a long line of SNP reports, on why we need independence is from the Justice and Fairness Commission.

I think we’re all now a bit immune to shite pumped out by the SNP on what great we country Scotland will be once we’re an independent nation.

Cummings, right now, de-balling Boris live on national television.

Dan @ 10.16

Would that be morel or Murrell mushrooms ?

That N Hanvey tweet/graph . Ffs !

Utterly disgraceful state of affairs . To answer your – rhetorical- question

NO !!

Dan @10.16am.

Excellent link Dan, we’re being robbed blind and have been for decades on energy, Sturgeon the Betrayer, has now found a way for us to be robbed blind big time as well on renewables.

link to archive.is

The full tweet thread that Neale Hanvey responded in contains other decent info too so will link to that.

link to twitter.com

link to parliamentlive.tv

First half Matt Hancock called a liar.

2nd half starts of with Hancock getting deballed & a full ‘Lorena Bobbitt’

Now to be know as Matt Han

Dan @ 10:16 am

“Ever get the feeling you’ve not been cheated…”

A nation and people subject to economic exploitation and plunder and therefore rendered underdeveloped is the inevitable fate of any colony; which explains what independence is – i.e. decolonisation.

link to archive.is

Police probe SNP Rhiannon Spear Twitter complaints amid Eurovision ‘hate UK’ row

Should be interesting to see what becomes of this.

It looks very much like a hate crime!
May even by a racist hate crime.

Humza Yousaf will need to be very careful what he says!
I’m pretty sure the media would like nothing better than to see him charged with a hate crime. What a scoop!

“What would a snowman say if he could talk?

“I smell carrots.”

What will Independence supporters say to She/Hers promise of an IndyRef2?

Dave Somerville.
I don’t question the electorate as being stupid at all for their voting.
What I question is the inability of the people in high place running and overseeing the election counting.
They knew the election was coming well in advance, and yet councils did not make safe arrangements and spaces for the votes to start being counted straight away.
When I see that the votes were lying around over night and transported it reminds me of corrupt voting systems in third world countries.
As the old saying goes, it is not the voters that are important, but those counting the votes.
To add fire to this, may I remind you that I spoke up about this two days before the election, when in conversation with a local SNP while we were out leafleting, he told us what he thought the results would be, he also told us he would ensure he was at the counting,
And you will never guess. It happened just like he said it would
That man should have a career on tele for being psychic, he was so accurate,
What is even more surprising in that our area is not one that votes SNP, it’s known for holding Tory votes.
And under normal circumstances I do not see long-standing Tory voters voting snp.

Breeks @ 1.12pm.

I just get the feeling that here’s another private firm that will soak up a bundle of taxpayers money (incentives to create jobs) and somewhere down the lines the promised jobs won’t materialise, and we’ll have another BiFab on our hands.

But the publicity that surrounds it today will probably be the thing that’s remembered with Michael Matheson (failed Justice secretary, now Energy secretary) smiling mug staring back at me in the media.

I’m also under the impression that energy matters are mainly reserved.

link to gov.uk

Carrot seeds deployed…

‘Minimum income of £37,000’ plan for families in independent Scotland.

link to archive.is

One ponders what enticements will be next in the quest to help create future generations…Free speedboat, cuddly toy, food processor, nest of tables, E scooter, fondue set, cuddly toy, toasty machine, patio furniture, cuddly toy, microwave, blow and hookers…

I notice the Social Justice and Fairness Commission was careful to call their scheme “minimum income” rather than “universal basic income”. As such it will be an utter waste of time and money.

All you’re doing is guaranteeing a set level of benefits. The first thing businesses will do is to cut wages since they know the government is going to pick up the bill.

What they should be trying is a “universal basic income” pilot which is guaranteed for the lifetime of the participants. Then you might get some useful information out of it.

They could even use the money from the sovereign wealth funds for oil and renewable energy. Oh, wait a minute.

Carrot seeds indeed. Just another heap of empty promises and useless bullshit. And this is what the country has for brains. God help us.

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“Perfect for a Pub Lunch.”

In these perilous times for our planet…
Due to the needless and reckless wasting of electrical energy and resultant environmentally damaging affects caused by servers having to store bazzilions of superfluous keystrokes;
I eagerly await the Scottish Government Administrators of Devolved Powers proposing an Eco-friendly Wealth Fund whereupon revenues will be generated by levying a pro-noun tax.

James Che

The purpose of universal basic income is to permanently restructure the economy and hopefully build a more civic minded society.

So faced with the question of do I go to my bullshit job that pays £10/hr or do I go clean up all the litter I can find on the beach. I know which one I’d prefer doing and I know the one I’d get respect for.

This brings up a fundamental problem with such schemes. You can’t do it without large amounts of automation and you can’t do it without spending large amounts of money preparing and “nudging” your soon-to-be utopian society in the right direction. Want to serve in local government or become an MP? How about 20 years serving the needs of the community on civic projects, learning how everything works and what the problems are before the country countenances putting you in charge of anything important.

Could be a huge breath of fresh air and a chance to clean out all the crap and graft in every dark corner. Sadly, with the level of competence in this government it’d be a lot safer moving to Zimbabwe.

Of corse in the future if anyone did not follow in agreement with what government dictates, they can simply withdraw state benifit until you do tow the line,
Old fashioned starve them out battles taken into a modern perspective.
And the skills presently, that people have would be lost in two generations
This would be a sacrifice to a low income, a poorer nation and going backwards

Not going to watch shifty blinks recent bullshit.

Trying to be positive:

Carrot, Orange and Ginger Soup

Small bag of carrots (about 6 -10) peeled and chopped
1 x Onion – peeled and chopped
About 1 ” peeled and chopped finely or grated ginger
Juice of 2 oranges
Stock – veg or chicken – about 3 cups worth –

Saute the onion, carrots and ginger in a wee bit of oil until softening.

Add the stock and simmer until carrots cooked all the way through.

Blend it until smooth.

Add the orange juice. Season.

Tastes even better the next day, when the ginger has had a chance to work its magic.

Really good also if your suffering from a cold, or need perking up. Good as a ‘summer’ soup.

Stir in a bit of cream or creme fresh to upgrade it if you fancy.

Daisy that sounds delicious. At the risk of turning this into a recipe forum I’m trying out a rhubarb and strawberry liqueur recipe:

250g rhubarb/250ml water/100g sugar/2 or 3 strawberries

Put everything in a pan with a lid. Bring to the boil then reduce heat and simmer for half an hour on a really low setting. Leave it to cool then strain through a fine cloth or some kitchen paper.
Mix the strained liquid with an equal amount of Gin and store in a clean bottle.

Produces about 1 litre. Double up the quantities to make a large batch. Cheers.

Yay! It’s finally stopped raining so can go outdoors without drowning.
Runner bean trellis moved to new bed and a dozen seedlings planted. Three Crown Prince pumpkin plants now nestled in their mounds protected by some mahoosif Discovery 3 used tyres.
A hunner onions in and sprouting, twa dozen tattie plants now showing shaws, Strawbs, blackcurrants and blueberries bushes flowering with a couple of bumble bees buzzin aboot.
Rhubarb looks like it’s been tanning viagra so going to get the first jam of the year made.
Still need to get the beetroot seeds in, but toying with giving carrots a miss this year for some reason…

Talking of beetroot, a tasty salad.
Grate a couple of peeled raw beetroots, or if your teeth are fucked coz covid stopped you seeing a dentist, boil and chop into small chunks.
Peel and chunk a couple of apples (not cookers).
Mix beetroot and apple together and add the juice from a squeezed lime or twa, and garnish with some fine cut fresh mint.
The lime juice stops the apple turning brown.
Eat

NB. Important to remember that when you next pish, you are not actually dying and it’s coloured red coz of the beetroot. 😉

@Captain Yossarian 6:06pm
It’s up to Stu. He is in charge of his own life. I think he is a creative individual that made a living from the games industry before. Sometimes you have to face reality. 5 years of torture for him and me watching what the the Woke SG will do. Not for me. We will be out soon. The question I have will my bairns get out?. It’s up to them. A longstanding friend of mine (we went to school together). He is a dentist told me the cost of PPE is more than the income stream from NHS per appointment. He is getting out nobody listens he told me. A future disaster that will be unreported.

Daisy, Meg and Dan……thanks for the recipes!

@Robert Hughes

My problem with UBI is not only with the potential of social control by governments.

We are assuming we still have a monetary economy when we introduce UBI. The simple, unavoidable fact is that if you increase the purchasing power of everyone in the country then the market will react to this reality by raising prices for everything – to the point that it will pretty much nullify the ‘bonus’ provided by UBI and then disproportionately hurt people who are on lower incomes but who do not rely only on UBI.

Example: If you are a landlord with a house for rent at 500 per month and now you know that starting next month everyone will be 600 per month richer, what do you do?

Further – productivity would be hurt and less services offered as people would need to offer them less, which would further enhance the negative effect.

If it were as simple as the proponents of UBI suggest it wouldnt have been kept in small trial areas and for finite periods of time.

If you want to help people on poor incomes achieve a better quality of life then increase productivity to make goods and services cheaper versus spending power while removing the choke hold of debt.

J.o.e

A short while ago I made the comment that a lot of people are against independence as they see the UK as something greater than what Scotland could achieve on it’s own. I’ve said before that Scottish independence is not viable until a right-wing pro-independence party emerges, otherwise the centre and left of centre dominates and there can be no progress in persuading the 20-30% of people who vote for the Conservatives as an antedote to some of the more crazy policies of the left.

At what point for you does the idea of Scotland being independent seem to be viable?

Not trolling, I’m genuinely interested. For a country that gave the world Adam Smith and many engineering and scientific greats it seems bat-shit crazy that Scotland couldn’t repeat earlier successes.

It seems to me that until English politics are dropped into the gutter where they belong the county can never really be free and set it’s own course in the world.

@ Meg mrrilees at 8.49

Unless you were in a hurry, you could have just mixed the fruit, sugar and alcohol in a jar and left it in a cool dark place for 6 weeks. I did that with vodka (gin and I don’t get on); it was a gorgeous pink to start with, but the colour was fugitive and it ended up straw-coloured. Still tasted nice.

So Nicola wants to work closer together with a party who would abolish the foundation for Nicolas economy in an instant. Not the most consistent thinking there.

@Stuart Mackay

I think Scotland could be independent right now. It is perfectly viable. There will be a few years to a decade of undoing damage done by WM and ridiculous SNP but in the long run I see no problem.

I don’t see left or right as being a problem in and of themselves. The problem comes when the ‘purer’ versions of these political sides start to be demanded/

Libertarians often worship market forces as the god that if left untouched by any kind of intervention would lead to happiness for all. Its utter fantasy and im sure you understand why. In the quest for differential advantage if there are no rules enforced then it pretty quickly becomes conflict.

The trouble that is hard to express to the left wing of politics is that as things stand you simply cannot have a market economy and have UBI without debasing the value of the currency in question. There is no situation without outright AI provision for every part of our lives and thereby running a resource based economy rather than a monetary/market economy that people will not have to produce, think, do and serve in order to maintain a functioning society. AI, despite what the billionaires who have never had a real job and are slavering to get rid of workers want to think, simply is not up to functioning adequately in environments built for humans.

The right are insane if they think that unregulated greed can magically create some sort of harmony.

But the left are equally imbalanced. A few years ago I was working in another country and about 70% of what I earned was going to the state in one shape or form. Is it ‘fair’ for me to be missing out on fresh air, exercise, time with my family, stress relief etc while providing a necessary service while others who are just as physically and mentally capable are literally living on the tax people like me pay while I miss out on most of my life because im trading work hours for pay?

Why is it ‘fair’ for a man to have to be lowered into a sewer (necessary job) while someone else is busy painting sunsets and exploring their inner selves and collecting goverment money for it? Who instead would have a non-functioning sewer and a drop in living standards if someone wasnt going down there and doing maintenance.

Besides this is academic because ultimately you cannot arbitrarily increase the purchasing power of everyone in a country and for the market to not adjust upwards. It is simply absolute fantasy in a monetary market economy and is only brought up as a vote winner by the less honest of leftist politicians.

J.o.e @ 11.12

” Our political system is defining our limits because we are not thinking outside of it.” . Nutshell .

@Tannadice boy

And what the honest fuck have you just added to the conversation if this is so beneath you and unworthy of wings?

@Tannadice boy

Thanks for underlining the point

If you want to keep wings relevant why not post something that isnt tearfilled doom mongering limp wristed shit or how you don’t like who happens to be saying something at any one particular time.

Fuck off.

Stuart MacKay. 8.51pm

“I’ve said before that Scottish independence is not viable until a right-wing pro-independence party emerges…”

Stuart, I must disagree with you there.

What the independence movement needs is a strong Indy leader.

Something we have not had since Alex Salmond.

Sturgeon is a sexually perverted con merchant, with a close inner circle of equally sexually perverted con merchants.
As in, Harvie, Smith, Peter Murrell and a whole list of others we probably don’t even know about.

Devolution suits her just fine.

That is why Indy had stalled, NOT because we need a strong right wing Indy Party.

Imo.

@Dave Somerville 12:34
I would agree its not a right wing party but the centre ground. And there is nothing for us. You all going down the progressive left wing Woke agenda. If Patrick Harvie is the answer you haven’t paid enough taxes.

…I’ve said before that Scottish independence is not viable until a right-wing pro-independence party emerges….

I’m not sure it needs to be right wing, but it definitely needs to be a LOT more confident and assertive, (not to mention competent), about Scotland’s Constitutional Sovereignty. It MUST defend that sovereign principle, and make sure any and all erosion of, or encroachment over that principle is made utterly indigestible to the Scottish people.

I think too, it MUST assert itself internationally, in much the same way that the Scottish UN Committee did back in the ‘80’s, and work tirelessly to make the case that the UK Union has an existential contradiction at it’s heart, and an unconstitutional anomaly which compromises the legitimacy of the deal.

It is, and always has been, colonial subjugation masquerading as a treaty of equals, and a great “wrong” which has gone on for much too long without justice and due recognition of the colonial suppression of Scotland’s Constitutional integrity.

We must work to create and sustain disillusion with the Union from within, but also, we must engage with the International Community to raise awareness that the UK Union is built upon unsound foundations which would not survive constitutional scrutiny.

We need to educate the Scottish people not only that Scottish Independence is a great thing for Scotland in it’s own right, but educate the Scottish people and the International Community that Scottish Independence represents the “righting” of a long established “wrong”, and would mark the end of a long standing colonial injustice.

Willie MacRae’s Scottish UN Committee had the right idea, and forget about Labour collecting the accolades as the Party which delivered Devolution. It was the work of the Scottish UN Committee which made it happen. That statue of Donald Dewar should be one of Willie MacRae.

I firmly believe this is where ALBA needs to position itself… and take a leaf out of Sinn Féin’s book by contesting seats in Holyrood and Westminster, but with no intention of taking them up, and instead disputing the Constitutional legitimacy of both UK Parliaments, and remaining true to the older and superior Constitution of “Auld Scotland”, which the 1707 Treaty of Union DID NOT extinguish.

The SNP under Sturgeon are much, much too compliant and subservient to Westminster’s “assertion” of a UK Parliamentary Sovereignty which cannot properly exist. The UK Union can only exist if the irreconcilable components of the “Union” remain hidden behind screen after screen of adopted unwritten convention, which cannot be written, because the clarity established by writing them down would vindicate the sovereign legitimacy and ascendency of Scotland’s superior Sovereign Constitution. Scotland just cannot afford to be this compliant and complicit in it’s own subjugation. Screw the SNP for being so.

Scotland has a great leader in Alex Salmond, and had he been the leader of a sovereign Nation, the smears and conspiracies against him would have been discredited as comparable to the worst excesses of the CIA interfering in foreign nations to affect regime changes by direct insurrection or sponsoring a coup to depose a hostile government. ( And it’s not incredible that Sturgeon would even be the patsy they’d have installed in his place).

To my inner core, every instinct tells me that Salmond’s removal from the crucible of Scottish Independence politics is a victory for Unionism… they have taken the ultimate scalp. It is vital we defeat their objective and protect “our” man. I firmly believe we do NOT need less Alex Salmond, but more, and what we really DO need is a Scottish equivalent of Mary Lou MacDonald.

And frustratingly, I actually think we might even have one in Joanna Cherry. Different from Mary Lou, but just as potent in her own way, but I think Joanna needs shielded from these Wokeratti cretins trying to make her life a misery, and given our blessing to go full Tonto with her laser rifle set to MAX with licence to kill, and to burn down all the unconstitutional conventions and sophistry which imprison Scotland within this fallacy of a Union. Go for it Joanna, and don’t stop until it’s done.

I believe Joanna Cherry has the potential to be an even bigger thorn in the side of the Union and all the Union stands for, than even Alex Salmond… but I think she perhaps lacks confidence, or is having her confidence sapped by all the genderwanks in the SNP.

If I was running the show, I’d say to Joanna Cherry, stop what you’re doing, put it all on hold. You have one job Joanna, one job only, and that is exposing, discrediting, and bringing down the Treaty of Union before the eyes of the International Community and UN. And meantime, any fuckwit with as much as a rainbow coloured lapel badge wouldn’t get within 100 miles of her.

J.o.e

Thanks for the answer. I see that a lot of people aren’t so far apart when it comes to the day to day stuff of making the country a decent place to live and to ensure everybody in it gets a fair chance to make a go of things.

Breeks

I mentioned the right-wing party as there needs to be a viable alternative to the Conservatives. Then we can really start digging out Westminster’s claws as support for an independent Scotland can develop right across the political spectrum. However you’re right about Alba. It has the chance to take the country in an entirely different direction.

We seem to have inherited the worst of American leftism and English Conservatism all nicely wrapped up in a “neo-liberal and what’s good for the self-styled elites is good for all” wrapping. The mainstream media’s fixation with personality and all things America and the Atlanticist’s fantasy that the UK can stand shoulder to shoulder with the US would appear to be the source.

Effigy . Sturgeon followed the exact same * strategy * , though , to be fair , the SNPG didn’t participate in the kind of outrageous Contracts for Chums as the Westminster Gov . Nonetheless , she , as usual , refused to take a truly independent approach other than in PR terms .

It won’t matter a damn though , she has hoodwinked sufficient numbers of people in Scotland that she’ll sail through this as she’s done vis-a-vis the A Salmond attempted political assassination

Tannadice Boy seems to have lost the plot , attacking his own side for …..well , not exactly sure why – having a conversation ?

Red Card for the lad