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The skewer

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    1. Kiwilassie says:

      James Che. says:
      22 May, 2021 at 4:27 pm
      Ruby.
      Thank you, and faith in nice people reinstated. Is this right? ( -:
      Fancy that still learning at my age.

      Reply
      James. Do what you did with same spacing but do it in this sequence to get smiley face. : for eyes – for nose & ) for smiley mouth in the order shown above. If you want to wink use ; for eyes. Good luck. 🙂

    2. Breeks says:

      SNP make significant progress on cure for insomnia…

      https://archive.is/TSrt8

    3. Captain Yossarian says:

      I look-in on Guido Fawkes from time to time as well. A couple of years ago he ran a story on the Saudi Crown Prince who was tapping phones of the rich and wealthy. He wasn’t wanting to know any of their business dealings or anything like that, he just wanted to know if they had girlfriends or were doing drugs.

      The Saudis went mad and demanded the site was taken-down. The UK Authorities ignored them despite being threatened with BAE Systems orders being cancelled and all the rest of it.

      It makes me wonder if when Sturgeon and Swinney demand this site is taken down, the same authorities will jump to their defence. I think they will.

      The problem for Stuart Campbell is that his last hope was that we would vote Alba and only 1% of us did that. All of that hard graft he put in. I even voted Alba. I think that’s the problem he sees at the moment. No matter how hard he works, the Scottish public are in the main fairly daft nowadays and find the whole subject of voting correctly too complex.

    4. Pixywine says:

      To all left wing Stalinists. Thanks for nothing.

    5. Andy Ellis says:

      @Charles Hodgson 11.56pm & Ian Brotherhood 10.07pm

      I knew it wouldn’t be too long before some roasters BTL resorted to Godwinising.

      I’d appeal to folks sense of proportion, but as I said earlier you can’t educate pork.

      No wonder Rev Stu is giving up: I’m beginning to think Johan Lamont had a point. 🙁

    6. Breeks says:


      Captain Yossarian says:
      25 May, 2021 at 6:07 am

      …, the Scottish public are in the main fairly daft nowadays and find the whole subject of voting correctly too complex

      The Scottish public are deeply indoctrinated by the subversive media and endemic propaganda.

      And I mean endemic, self renewing; just look at the idiots supposedly on our side trying to smear and castigate Alex Salmond for the things he didn’t do. Who needs the BBC to stitch him up when stupid YES supporters just need pointed in that general direction, and do the propagandists job for them while the BBC can sink back into the shadows with a smirk on its face… job done.

      Sturgeon’s first failing as First Minister (and what a warning that was in hindsight) was to do NOTHING after the 2014 YES defeat, and let the lying bastard Unionists and their Vow off the hook.

      Cast your mind back, and you will remember Better Together and the UK Government pledging more powers for Holyrood but never quite defining what those powers were. The pledge was solid, but the deceit was in the non-explicit definition of what ‘more powers’ actually meant.

      That was the first open goal Sturgeon missed. Her first action as First Minister in November 2014 could have been to hit the ground running after YES was defeated by the lying Vow, and held a snap plebiscite to have the sovereign Scottish people choose by ballot the actual powers which they wanted returned. Westminster would have had to deliver those powers, or prompt a Constitutional crisis when YES was running rampant.

      Top of the list for those powers could have been Broadcasting, and had that happened, Union TV would have had it’s monopoly shattered, and Scotland would be an Independent Nation by now.

      But as we know, Sturgeon did nothing, and the Unionists were allowed to explain that “more powers” actually meant fk all.

      OK, maybe I’ll be conciliatory and accept that maybe wasn’t the easiest of open goals Sturgeon has squandered. Maybe there wasn’t the mood for a snap plebiscite so soon after the Referendum … but I maintain it was an open goal, and it was definitely the first she squandered.

      It was also however, my first inkling that Sturgeon lacked courage and wasn’t a fighter, but despite being a cynic from the off, I’d no idea just how truly dismal a “leader” she really was.

    7. Andy Ellis says:

      @Capt. Yossarian 6.07am

      I’m coming round to Stu’s view as well sadly. Is there any other people in the world as tholed as the Scots?

      Seldom can any people so consistently have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. We’re Animal Farm’s Boxer in the form of a people.

    8. Dan says:

      @ Breeks

      Re. The linked article. This section near the end caught my eye.

      The proposals we set out are only options. Whether all or any of them are taken forward are political decisions and choices for future governments in Scotland to make. The time and pace of any such change will be determined by future Scottish governments according to the circumstances of the day.

      Future Governments? So as you say, best we just go to sleep for the duration of the current parliamentary term if they aren’t going to implement anything significant to address all the issues they raise in the previous waffle.

    9. Dave Somerville says:

      Captain Yossarian 6.97am

      Spot on Captain.

      I was saying something similar yesterday.

      Our public really do own the “too stupid” part of England’s opinion of Scotland.

      To move forward we need to think of a world without Stu/Wings AND a world without Alex Salmond leading the charge.

      We must evolve.

      I’m sure those two individuals will be working as hard as ever in the background.

      But regarding them being the Frontline Face of the Indy Movement, well those days are over.

      And the quicker we come to terms with that sad fact, the quicker we rebuild the Indy Movement.

      And as far as Sturgeon is concerned, I wouldn’t piss on her if she was on fire.

    10. Breastplate says:

      Andy Ellis,
      I’m pretty sure that othering a section of a community will always draw parallels with 1930s Germany.
      Surely this can’t be a surprise?

      Perhaps you believe that your type of othering is the good sort of othering and 1930s is the bad sort.

      Maybe creating an untermensch class nowadays is acceptable, after all, there are enough people in agreement with this line of thinking, maybe even a consensus.

      Maybe this is the largest Stanford prison experiment ever, who knows.

      Maybe it’s just a case of might is right.

      Maybe you don’t believe you’re indulging in a goodly amount of othering.

      Wherever we are as a society is measured by how we treat people who are different from us, I wouldn’t expect our society to receive pass marks regarding the coronavirus but I also don’t think you should dismiss people by using Godwin’s law to disregard their concerns.

      Of course, it’s not pleasant being accused of ownership of Nazi doctrines but perhaps it’s time to take stock of what you are actually arguing for.

    11. Republicofscotland says:

      So A Scottish woman living in Bradford has told of the brainwashing her children are going through in School as they are forced to dress in red white and blue, for a whole week, and sing an anthem called “One Britain One Dream”, which has a repeating chorus of “Strong Britain Great Britain.”

      Its being forced onto children by an organisation called (OBON) One Britain One Nation. Parents are worried that the organisation has been given access to schools to brainwash children and in the process create fanatics out of some of them.

    12. Republicofscotland says:

      Daddy Bear aka Alyn Smith who has been given the preposterous made up title of SNP Foreign and Commonwealth spokesperson probably by Sturgeon the Betrayer, to give the impression that the SNP actually has some power at Westminster when they have none, got his tuppence worth in yesterday in the HoC over the hijacking of the Ryanair flight.

      Smith like McDonald just can’t help himself when he said that it seems that Minsk must have had some sort of help from Russia in the hijacking.

      Those SNP MP idiots that we voted in, to do our bidding for in the HoC, to further Scotland’s interests, in my book didn’t include them also doing England’s bidding for them, by commenting on and ergo making enemies of countries on the international stage.

      The SNP MPs are acting in the HoC as though they are and have been part of the Westminster establishment since its inception.

    13. Robert Hughes says:

      “The proposals we set out are only options.”

      As is the , far easier from their POV , option to do fck all re our aspiration and continue cruising on the demented , baffling chronically frustrating loyalty of the ” Both Votes SNP ” brigade , whilst overseeing the further diminishing of our right to object/protest at the unasked for and unwanted social policies and the degradation of our economy and potentials

    14. J.o.e says:

      The trouble is not the Scots constantly snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

      The problem is thinking that appeals to democratic principles and fairness would actually win Scotland autonomy as a country.

      ‘We are a fair people and just want to rule our ourselves.’
      ‘We have the democratic right to this or that’

      The world of international politics is as medieval as it ever was, with only the veneer becoming more sophisticated.

      Someone mentioned in a post a day or so ago that he thinks there’s more people making decisions on Scotland future, due to it being a geostrategic country, such as the USA. This is absolutely correct and it goes beyond just the USA.

      There is literally no power on earth which will leave Scots unmolested and alone while we have such an outsized source of natural resources. We are for all intents and purposes a wet, windy and dim version of Iraq or Iran or any of these other middle eastern countries. We are a part of the geopolitical chessboard and the British (and the establishment who decide British policy) along with the US would make absolutely sure we have no risk of looking Eastwards rather than West when it comes to our future allies and partners. The best way to achieve this is to make sure Scotland does not achieve real autonomy.

      I know oil and gas are slowly going the way of coal but the fact is militaries still run on oil products and international trade and industry is still reliant on the natural resources Scotland has in abundance.

      So a Scottish independence movement based on appeals of democracy to a group of powers who have no strategic reason to listen is going to fail. That doesn’t even touch on the debt cartel of international banks who literally want their pound of flesh from any country that would gain political autonomy – this is a subject that opens doors to a whole new world of power and global conflict.

      What is needed is a Scottish independence movement that is plugged into and helps to lead the growing nationalist movements over the world, shunning only those who through extreme positions make themselves easy targets for propaganda and state action. Primary on this list of allies would be English nationalists – who want the exact thing we want.

      Scottish independence should be about empowering our people economically – regardless of how much political autonomy we have or dont have. Scots need to help other Scots to become financially independent and business savvy.

      Scottish independence should be about reinforcing and pushing our cultural traditions. For example we should be trying to make St Andrews day as big a piss up as St Patricks day worldwide.

      Scottish independence should be about promoting, strengthening and protecting the people of Scotland. One big example of this is that any worthwhile Scottish independence movement would be questioning everything involved with the covid situation and fighting against mandates and actions that break international law. The GRA and hate speech stuff should literally be the food on which a Scottish independence movement grows and strengthens due to people being forced into facing realities.

      All of the above can be done regardless of who sits their arse on the FM chair or the PM’s position in westminster.

      As ive said before currently Scottish Independence looks to me to be basically an appeal for democracy to those who do not care about popular will, while promoting the kind of issues you might find in University student unions or 1980’s style talking points (torys bad), while ultimately ordinary Scots are left wondering what good they are except to vote at the right time.

      The cliquish, leftward pro EU snobbishness that has been the hallmark of the Scottish independence movement needs to die. We need to be putting all our people as 1st consideration, even if they disagree with us, while building as large a network of allies internationally (the EU never was and never will be our ally) and working on the legal and economic fronts as well as the political.

      The idea that you have to wait for the next election to make positive changes for the Scots is the problem. The list of humanity crushing government actions taken by both WM and Holyrood should be a rallying call.

    15. Robert Hughes says:

      YES to all of that J.o.e . well said

    16. Andy Ellis says:

      @Joe

      We may have our differences in other areas but I happen to agree with much of your analysis.

      Sadly, you don’t see Scots “doing a la Diada” like our Catalan friends and turning out in their millions for demonstrations. Much as some folk enjoy a duander down the Royal Mile accompanied by saltires and bagpipes, AUOB and similar look a bit dropped off in comparison with Barcelona on la Diada. Similarly I can’t really see the leadership of the Scots indy movement risking jail time for the cause: indeed to our horror we now see they’re more likely to “arrange” for the jailing of those they disagree with.

      Maybe the best hope of independence isn’t actually relying on Scots to do it themselves, but waiting for English nationalism and exceptionalism to deliver it for us? It’s a sad enough indictment of the appetite of Scots for change or exercising their much vaunted popular sovereignty. I’ve never had any time for the “Scotland is a colony” narrative, but perhaps like the colonies after WW2 our best hope is having independence bestowed on us by Westminster if we lack the bottle to take it for ourselves.

      Sam Adams was right in 1776, I’m just not sure that there are enough Scots animated enough to contest for their freedom rather than crouch down and lick the hand that feeds them.

    17. Robert Hughes says:

      Andy . I took part in many Diadas in my time in BCN , in fact my wife ended-up right at the front of a march during the 2018 one ! The atmosphere ( not unlike how I imagine our AUOB marches are , never been on one , so far ! ) was superb , friendly , inclusive , carnivalesque n above all unified in spirit n intent , tho , if we think we have a hill to climb to achieve our goal , the Catalans have a mountain . They’ll persist nonetheless , they are truly indomitable . Visca Catalunya y Escocia

    18. Alf Baird says:

      J.O.E.

      Scotland’s social and political predicament reflects a colonial and hence an oppressive reality. Scots have to figure out that independence is therefore first and foremost decolonisation.

      https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2021/05/01/is-scottish-independence-decolonisation/

    19. Cenchos says:

      Alyn Smith: Ye SNP’s Far Eartha and Here-Be-Dragons Speaker of Wordes.

      I suppose he’s currently beating himself into a wall-eyed froth trying to tie Alex into the Ryanair hijacking somehow.

    20. Sensible Dave says:

      Andy Ellis 10.56

      You wrote “Maybe the best hope of independence isn’t actually relying on Scots to do it themselves, but waiting for English nationalism and exceptionalism to deliver it for us?”

      As so often the case here on Wings, you demonstrate that you really do not understand the English.

      Generally speaking, the English are proud of their country, believe in fair play … and are democrats.

      In polls, whenever English folk are asked their views on Scottish Independence, then the majority view is always that Scotland should do whatever the majority of Scots want to do in terms of being in, or out, of the EU.

      There is a strange phenomena that often surfaces here. It appears to me that many Yessers are not content with the goal of achieving Independence, they need/want/desire English folk to be up arms trying to stop it. Its some sort of weird mutation of the Stockholm Syndrome.

      Please understand, generally speaking, English folk don’t care/mind whether Scotland stays in or leaves the Union. Where we do have a view is when we are perceived as part of the problem and when, as often happens here, the not so thinly disguised anti-english stuff is allowed to be spouted without rebuke.

      So, I wouldn’t wait for help from the English Andy. As has always been the case, and will continue to be, it is Scottish voters that will decide Scotland’s future. Folk here on WIngs need to take stock and try to understand, after all of this time, after everything that has been said, why Scottish voters are not convinced by the Independence argument.

    21. Breastplate says:

      AUOB marches did a great job but of course there is always room for improvement. I think the Tory scum banners damaged the brand.
      Whether people think tories are scum or not, the AUOB marches were not the place for it.
      Not All Under One Banner has a completely different message.

      I think one of the reasons the Catalan movement attracts bigger crowds (apart from the weather) is that they have their own broadcasting.
      If broadcasting was devolved I would imagine we would have an increase in participation.

    22. Robert Hughes says:

      Indeed Breastplate .

      Having their own broadcaster is the crucial difference between us : not that it is uniformly pro-Independista , but it allows that voice to be heard and is not subject to the relentless * anti * propaganda as we are . And , aye , the weather does make a big difference , as does the tradition/culture of street protest .

      Also worth bearing in mind there are more people in Barcelona alone that the whole of Scotland

    23. Breastplate says:

      Sensibledave,
      You are quite right about the Scots deciding their future and it would be more than helpful if there was no interference south of the border.
      That there is animosity at constant interference from that direction shouldn’t be a surprise to you or anyone else.

      It’s great that you should stand up for the English however, it shouldn’t be at the expense of the Scottish.

      Telling everyone that England is very good to Scotland, that we have had our referendum quota for the foreseeable future is wearing a bit thin, so no surprise that people direct their ire southwards.

      An amicable answer would be to go our separate ways and take on the responsibilities ourselves for our own problems and task ourselves with finding our own solutions.

      Would that not be beneficial to both countries?

    24. Rikali says:

      Alf Baird says:
      25 May, 2021 at 11:11 am
      J.O.E.

      Scotland’s social and political predicament reflects a colonial and hence an oppressive reality. Scots have to figure out that independence is therefore first and foremost decolonisation.

      Of course; but it’s possible that a majority of the Scots have been so thoroughly domesticated by Angleland so that decolonisation is no longer viable.

      It’s what regimes in Beijing and Jakarta rely on to incorporate and deculturate conquered peoples into the “Motherland”.

    25. Stuart MacKay says:

      Sensible Dave

      re: yessers Stockholm syndrome

      The need for the English to apparently be up in arms about independence is an essential ingredient for the carrot danglers. The thinking is that is people are told they can’t have it then they’ll want it more.

      The other page in the two-page playbook the carrot danglers use is of course “Tories baaaad, baaaad”. It’s just a slight refinement on page one as of course all English are Tories – whether they admit it or not 😉

      All this is done to distract the population from the fact that the carrot danglers and the rest of the Independence Industrial Complex aka the Indy Pornographers are completely unable to deliver independence – just ask Martin Keatings.

    26. Rikali says:

      I must admit I was thoroughly surprised by the results of the recent Holywood elections.

      I thought that that the pro-independence side would win a significant majority because of enough votes for both SNP/ALBA.

      But the vast majority of voters voted to have a high proportion of Unionists, in accordance with the SNP’s wishes.

      The SNP must be the most anti-independence “independnece” party since elections were invented!!!

    27. Republicofscotland says:

      “I think one of the reasons the Catalan movement attracts bigger crowds (apart from the weather) is that they have their own broadcasting.
      If broadcasting was devolved I would imagine we would have an increase in participation.”

      Brestplate.

      It will never happen that’s for sure, the BritNat media is their numero uno way of putting down Scottish independence. Even a small enclave of Moldova has its own devolved tv channels.

      As for AUOB, I now feel their happy clappy flag waving pipe playing marches are nothing more than a tourist attraction, with a few speakers added in for a hurrah moral boasting shot to the arm.

      I’d like to see the AUOB become a more proactive demo march, turning up at Holyrood, Bute House and even outside Sturgeon the Betrayers home in Glasgow with banners asking why hasn’t she named an indyref date, other topics could be put on the banners to highlight Sturgeon and the SNP’s inadequacies of which they are many.

      Right now AUOB are no threat to Sturgeon the Betrayer and she knows it.

    28. Rikali says:

      Correction:

      I meant to write:

      “But the vast majority of INDEPENDENCE voters voted to have a high proportion of Unionists, in accordance with the SNP’s wishes.

    29. Republicofscotland says:

      “But the vast majority of voters voted to have a high proportion of Unionists, in accordance with the SNP’s wishes.

      The SNP must be the most anti-independence “independnece” party since elections were invented!!!”

      Rikali.

      Indeed the SNP are anti-independence, and the two-votes SNP bellowed by all the SNP MSPs allowed dozens of unionist MSPs to reenter Holyrood. Sturgeon the Betrayer knew fine well that would happen by calling for both votes SNP.

      If she was really interested in Scottish independence she would have given the order for the list vote to be either a Green one or an Alba one, and many unionist MSPs would’ve been shut out of Holyrood giving it a far greater indy majority but she didn’t because she prefers the status quo, mind you so do the Greens.

      Only the Alba party has Scotland interests at heart.

    30. Andy Ellis says:

      @Sensibledave 11.50am

      I think I understand them pretty well: I’ve spent half my life in England and half in Scotland. My wife is English and my paternal grandmother was from Wearside. I have family all over the UK. My first degree was from an English uni, my further degree from a Scottish one. In general I agree that most English folk don’t really care that much about Scotland: they know little about the place and care less. It always struck me when I lived there how few had even visited Scotland or knew anything much about it.

      Personally I didn’t see or hear much anti Scottish sentiment, but they probably knew I wasn’t the kind who would just take it. There are of course a minority of folk in both country’s who will express intolerant or bigoted views: I don’t believe they are representative of the general population in either.

      Perhaps there is an element of “Jockholm Syndrome” amongst some Scots: the ties of empire, history and 300 years of lacking our own parliament is bound to have an impact. I did see a marked change in attitudes in England in the last 5-10 years before I moved back to Scotland in 2018. It was definitely due in part to UKIP and the relentless fluffing of Farage and anti Eu and anti immigration sentiment. I think the general outlook for many “ordinary” English folk (particularly in the shires) is markedly different from that in Scotland.

      If anything I’m less hopeful now than I was a few years ago that both countries can make positive progress: if anything I think as a society we are regressing. The days of “things can only get better” in 1997 seem pretty distant – almost unreal in fact. I heard on the radio true other day that higher positions in the civil service are actually less diverse in terms of their social background than they were in the 80s and 90s. I honestly don’t envy young people in either country at present. We certainly haven’t helped them.

    31. Breastplate says:

      RepublicofScotland,
      I’m under no illusion that broadcasting will be devolved. The power of direct access to people’s minds is too good to hand over. Generally speaking, we’re all sheep.

      I would imagine Madrid will be kicking themselves for not controlling broadcasting in Catalonia.

      Again, I think AUOB did a great job and hopefully can again but there’s always room for improvement.

    32. akenaton says:

      There will be no Independence while the present administration stay in place.
      How do we affect that sorry fact?
      Almost impossible while most of the membership and a very large portion of the electorate back Sturgeon.

      The power at present lies in Westminster and the only party in Scotland who are protesting against the LGT and gender nonsense and theattacks on women’s rights are the Scottish Conservatives.
      This is the weakness in Sturgeons plot, most people are very much against this sort of social experimentation and an alliance with the Scottish Conservatives could be the way to have Sturgeon removed.
      I have never thought that independence could be achieved by all out war…Softly Softly catchee monkey.

    33. Rikali says:

      I stopped looking at Wings for a few days to let the Australia Hatefest wash through.

      The Tories in London are desperate for any “free” trade agreement and are supposedly getting one with Australia and Australia is the evil one not Westminster????

      Australia remembers in the 1970’s when the UK suddenly announced it was joining the European Community and left Australia and New Zealand in the lurch.

      Aust and NZ had many industries developed to support the UK Empire/Commonwealth and to give preferrence to UK goods and services.

      Without any consultation and with no consideration local industries Westminster destroyed them. We learnt how valueless Westminster affectations/pomposities/promises were.

      It’s sad to see such Anti ANZ comments on a Scottish site.

    34. J.o.e says:

      @Alf Baird

      Thank you for sharing the article.

      Im going to be honest and colonization by England or by Britain is not my main concern now. That’s not to make light of the very real issues that your article discusses. While the political situation is very much a Scotland v Britain contest it is not the root of what is most concerning to pretty much all of us at this moment and why we need to revert to a strong form of nationalism.

      What has us in its grip now also has the people of England, Wales and pretty much everywhere else in the same grasp to varying degrees.

      There is a reason that pretty much every 1st world country is having the woke agenda rammed down their throats in spite of the clear reality denying madness of it. We have the same attempt to open our borders to the 3rd world and the same attempts to shame (and even legislate) critics into silence. Its not a coincidence and its not British colonisation – it is international in nature and the current UK government and every main party is owned by it.

      The massive corporations flying their rainbow flags and talking about moving into a 4th industrial revolution are not doing so because of a wish to create a ‘better world’. What they want is to gut nation states of their abilities to protect their people while the media and university muppets paint any semblance of real nationalism that puts up a barrier to them as fascism.

      In fact every person on earth who believes that people and their nations should be able to dictate their own future in their own ways are our allies in this.

      Corporate (banking at its root) internationalism v nationalism is the arena we now find ourselves in I think.

    35. J.o.e says:

      ‘an alliance with the Scottish Conservatives could be the way to have Sturgeon removed.’

      If the Scottish conservatives had actually wanted Sturgeon removed they could have spent the last year or so shining the spotlight onto their GRA and Hate speech nonsense. Yes, there has been nominal push back but i didn’t see any real commitment – they built their argument around ‘opposing a new referendum’ which is unoriginal in the extreme – of course they do.

      The only reason any party in the Scottish parliament is not railing against this, and rallying the vast majority of Scots behind them, is because they are basically working for the same outcomes.

    36. Alf Baird says:

      Rikali @ 12:20

      “It’s what regimes in Beijing and Jakarta rely on to incorporate and deculturate conquered peoples into the “Motherland”.”

      Yes, this is what is known as cultural imperialism which is a key feature of colonialism and illustrates why national culture (including language), which gives us national consciousness, is always a major factor in independence struggles. The Brits have a long established cultural strategy designed to inhibit Scots’ desire for independence, whereas the SNP has no cultural strategy to address what is essentially a cultural conflict. This despite the fact that most peoples in self-determination conflict are culturally and linguistically divided, though the SNP elite does not appear to have noticed this. The dilemma with colonial incorporation of ethnic groups/cultures, as Albert Memmi found, is that “assimilation and colonization are contradictory”; there “is only one way out of the colonial situation, and the colonized realizes it sooner or later”.

    37. Cenchos says:

      It would seem that Sturgeon has surrounded herself with highly compromisable individuals.

      Anyone who finds themselves in favour with the SNP might want to look hard and deep into their own past and see what the party could use as, um, motivational leverage. If there’s nothing there to worry about they are probably not going to get far up the hierarchy.

    38. Don says:

      J.o.e says:
      25 May, 2021 at 12:59 pm

      “What has us in its grip now also has the people of England, Wales and pretty much everywhere else in the same grasp to varying degrees.”

      Correct , its a complete lack of numeracy or any understanding at all of Scotlands or any other Regions economics. https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/15418

    39. Breastplate says:

      Don,
      It has been explained to you on numerous occasions by many different people why you are an imbecile.
      Unfortunately for you Don, there is no cure.

    40. Breastplate says:

      Don,
      Perhaps Constitutional Dennis can help with a partial understanding.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2c-X8HiBng

    41. Cenchos says:

      Patrick Harvie has a large and diverse motion lodged.

      If anyone else would like to shoehorn anything else into it, like the 110th anniversary of the launching of the Titanic, or the recognition of the UK transition of Marathon to Snickers in 1990, then please get in touch with someone.

    42. Republicofscotland says:

      On the Alba party front.

      “THE SNP is to replace the MPs who defected to Alex Salmond’s Alba Party on the Westminster committees they sat on.

      Neale Hanvey and Kenny MacAskill will lose their places on the committees following their departure from the party in March.

      Both MPs have said they do not intend to regularly travel to London now they are Alba MPs, and will only do so for crucial votes.”

    43. Dan says:

      @ Cenchos

      Hmm, maybe I should get in touch with Harvie as I’m hoping to obtain grant funding to sustain my latest environmentally sound / recycling / eco-business venture.
      I’m two cans in so far with 100% positive results so defo think the concept has viability.
      My latest endeavour involves sustaining the Guinness drinks business whilst also supplying bubble floats to the angling community.
      The process involves drinking and cutting open the empty tins to remove the widget balls.

      If I get knocked back on the environmental side of things then I am thinking I could diversify into the genderwoowoo market by selling prosthetic bollox to Trans men, which may well garner more support from the Green Party.

    44. Dorothy Devine says:

      Cenchos, I am worried about these ‘lodged motions’- perhaps an enema ????

    45. Breastplate says:

      Dan,
      The bollocks would need to finish the set.
      I’d suggest a prosthetic Patrick Harvie, life size of course.

    46. Don says:

      Breastplate says:
      25 May, 2021 at 4:12 pm
      Don,
      It has been explained to you on numerous occasions by many different people why you are an imbecile.
      Unfortunately for you Don, there is no cure.

      Unfortunately its you that has the complete lack of understanding for anything the SNP’s own advisors explain for the people of Scotland’s benefit https://fraserofallander.org/back-to-school-for-gers-2019/

    47. Don says:

      @Cenchos 25 May, 2021 at 11:11 am

      “Alyn Smith: Ye SNP’s Far Eartha and Here-Be-Dragons Speaker of Wordes.I suppose he’s currently beating himself into a wall-eyed froth trying to tie Alex into the Ryanair hijacking somehow”

      Is there any agreement in place for Daddy Bear to pay back the £600K of Ringfenced Indyref2 crowdfunded money ? ” On Sky News in May 2019, Smith claimed that the Brexit Party is “a shell company that’s a money laundering front”. After the party’s chairman threatened legal action, Smith apologised unreservedly and admitted that he had no evidence for his allegation, made a major contribution to the party chairman’s legal costs and made a donation to charity. It is alleged that Smith’s donation was paid by the SNP out of member’s party donations” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alyn_Smith

    48. Don says:

      @Republicofscotland 25 May, 2021 at 4:43 pm

      “THE SNP is to replace the MPs who defected to Alex Salmond’s Alba Party on the Westminster committees they sat on.
      Neale Hanvey and Kenny MacAskill will lose their places on the committees following their departure from the party in March.
      Both MPs have said they do not intend to regularly travel to London now they are Alba MPs, and will only do so for crucial votes”

      So they both are going to keep on taking Taxpayers money and Expenses when it suits them but have no intention of doing the job properly ? MacAskill was already known as a waste of space that cared little for locals around East Lothian

    49. Pixywine says:

      For those who are uncomfortable with comparisons between 1930s Germany and current covid passporting perhaps comparison with 1980s Apartheid South Africa is more to your liking? Or Soviet Union?

    50. Effigy says:

      Very interesting that Boris stating that Muslim women look like
      Letter boxes, Black women have watermelon smiles etc
      is not racist but just poor judgement???

      How would Hunza’s hate crime bill deal with that then?

      Also Sex Pest Tory MP making unwanted and undenied sexual advances
      on another man is to face a vote to see if he should be suspended for 6 weeks.

      Salmond cleared of all charges faced years of accusations to ruin him.
      Real Tory sex offender faces a vote?
      Worst case penalty a 6 week holiday from work?

      How does Scotland stand for this? FFS

    51. Captain Yossarian says:

      Effigy says:
      25 May, 2021 at 7:48 pm

      The other way of looking at it is that this is the right way to do it. Why send anyone to the High Court? In Alex Salmond’s case, would a 6-week suspension not have been more appropriate?

    52. Dave Somerville says:

      Anybody else remember the promises made by the SNP under the command of Sturgeon a few years back?

      We were going to have radical Land Reform laws enacted, our own film industry, we were going to have our own Transport Police Force and a few other eye catching headlines, all bullshit.

      We will be hit with more of her shit as the new Parliament gets under way.

      Sturgeon is a pervert, disguised as a politician.

      And anyone close to her seems to have their own little perversions, from her so called “husband” to Smith the “supplier”.

      Independence and the running of the Colony seems to be an irritating distant afterthought.

    53. Republicofscotland says:

      “So they both are going to keep on taking Taxpayers money and Expenses when it suits them but have no intention of doing the job properly ? MacAskill was already known as a waste of space that cared little for locals around East Lothian”

      Don.

      They’ve been replaced, but they’ll still be available for crucial votes, what do you want them to do in between float around Westminster doing nothing like the current SNP MPs.

      As for MacAskill and East Lothian, that’s your opinion, but MacAskill freed Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi, an innocent man with a terminal illness, and MacAskill won’t be forgotten for doing the right thing, your mediocre comment will be forgotten soon enough.

    54. Don says:

      @Republicofscotland 25 May, 2021 at 8:41 pm

      “They’ve been replaced, but they’ll still be available for crucial votes, what do you want them to do in between float around Westminster doing nothing like the current SNP MPs”

      They have only been replaced on relevant Comittees they were on , not replaced as SNP MP’s daftie, they remain as Independent MP’s until they resign or get voted out but in the meantime hardly turning up.

    55. Don says:

      So super smart SNP MP Angus McNeil wants to sell Scottish Shipbuilding down the river. “The SNP MP Angus MacNeil who represents the Western Isles has even suggested that it is time to look at Poland or other shipbuilding nations to provide the vessels that are needed by the communities he serves. The fact that such a prominent SNP figure is suggesting that these ferries may have to be built outside Scotland just demonstrates how serious this issue has become.”

      Presumably Angus must think Scottish Shipbuilders are too wee and too stupid after all to be able to cope with doing that sucessfully ? https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/uk-orders-for-royal-navy-ships-support-scottish-shipbuilding-jobs-while-snp-may-turn-to-poland-to-build-much-needed-ferries-murdo-fraser-msp-3249530?fbclid=IwAR3EgV58IbJMn8tgZOrFbXRVhI94mbcFYoJq3ncj23pbY4ET2GnCF5OPTVY

    56. Dan says:

      @ Dave Somerville

      Ach, talk of radical land reform tax to bring ownership back to the people was in, eh, checks notes… 2017. #EarlyCarrot

      https://sourcenews.scot/snp-conference-backs-call-for-land-taxation-to-transform-scotland-snp17/

    57. Dan says:

      Don’s 8.49pm Scotsman link archived.

      https://archive.is/EQqXA

    58. Ruby says:

      Captain Yossarian says:
      25 May, 2021 at 8:02 pm
      Effigy says:
      25 May, 2021 at 7:48 pm

      The other way of looking at it is that this is the right way to do it. Why send anyone to the High Court? In Alex Salmond’s case, would a 6-week suspension not have been more appropriate?

      Reply
      Did Alex Salmond do anything that merited a 6 week suspension?

    59. Ruby says:

      Dan says:
      25 May, 2021 at 8:56 pm
      Don’s 8.49pm Scotsman link archived.

      https://archive.is/EQqXA

      Reply

      Article written by Murdo Fraser.

    60. Dave Somerville says:

      Dan 8.50om

      Yes Dan, Sturgeon is an expert Carrot Dangler.

      And our “Tim but Dim” Scottish public just can’t get enough of them.

    61. Ruby says:

      Dave Somerville says:
      25 May, 2021 at 9:43 pm
      Dan 8.50om

      Yes Dan, Sturgeon is an expert Carrot Dangler.

      And our “Tim but Dim” Scottish public just can’t get enough of them.

      Reply

      “Tim but Dim”?

      Origin of the word Tim

      ‘Tim comes from Tadgh, the Irish for Timothy, a derogatory description used to describe Catholics (Taigs)’

    62. Dave Somerville says:

      Ruby 9.53pm

      I think you better take that up with Harry Enfield Ruby.

      https://www.theoldie.co.uk/article/olden-life-who-was-tim-nice-but-dim

    63. Dave Somerville says:

      You end up not knowing who to take your anger out on.

      Is it Sturgeon, or is it our “thick as fuck” Scottish electorate?

      I have started questioning ordinary punters on two or three fairly straightforward questions.

      From, “how did you vote?” to, “what do you think of Sturgeon and, or Salmond?”

      Yoons give you the “I hate Sturgeon” answer and the majority of Indy voters can’t see past Sturgeon and give you a half baked ignorant “Salmond the Molester” answer.

      It is actually people like the users of Wings Over Scotland who are the outcasts

      From once being at the forefront of the Independence Movement, we have been relegated to a chattering minority echo chamber, where we are repeating the same messages over and over again and nobody is listening to a word we say.

      Probably why the Rev’s threw in the towel.

      From being a very loud majority, we have become a very silent minority, without any of us noticing the change.

      Sturgeon conned every one of us

      I think we left it so late to catch on to what Sturgeon was up to because of the way she delayed any decision on how to handle Brexit. Her last minute speech on January 2020.

      And before you know it, it’s too late.

      As far as being a con merchant, Sturgeon is up there with the best of them

    64. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      I think peeps are missing the origin of “Tim Nice But Dim”.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJd842n0dhQ

    65. Effigy says:

      Capt Yoss

      I can’t believe that you think it’s fine for a Tory Sex pest in
      Office is subjected only to a vote where the penalty is a
      6 week holiday?

      How many moons can you see through the bars at night time?

    66. Dave Somerville says:

      Brian 10.15om

      Nailed it.

      Our thicko Scottish electorate.

      Sturgeon just loves them, as do they Sturgeon.

    67. Grouse Beater says:

      “You end up not knowing who to take your anger out on. Is it Sturgeon, or is it our “thick as fuck” Scottish electorate?” Dave Somerville 10.13

      Not only the First Minister. She has the full support of her main colleagues – this is the worrying aspect, profoundly so. Not one is capable or courageous enough to resist her shoddy decision making. When once-upon-a-time good guys such as Chapman blithly tell you the ring-fenced fund really does exist, you know the SNP party is lost. Who within or without is going to take on the entire hierachy, Murrell and all?

    68. Balaaargh says:

      As Ruby says, it’s Murdo Fraser. Unsurprisingly, it doesn’t contain anything of substance outside of the headline. More detail is needed like what MacNeil actually said, for example, to get the bigger context.

      https://archive.is/MLAyx

      There is no denying that it is pretty grim that Scottish shipbuilding has struggled with decline which keeps continuing (resisted using the temptation to use ‘sunk to such depths’). But he’s right, the islands need ships and since the last ship (built in Germany) has had “numerous problems”, looking to shipyards which have successfully delivered in the past means looking at Gdansk.

      Rather than being called out by a party MP on their lack of strategy, the SG should be looking at this as an opportunity for rebuilding. Gdansk has ties to Scotland going back hundreds of years. And if you can’t ask your friends for help, then who can you ask?

    69. Derek says:

      “Scottish Shipbuilders”

      All of which begs another question; much like food miles, do we have any industrial infrastructure left with which we can re-process scrap metal into new plate/bar/sheet to build ships (for example) with? There is no shortage of scrap metal with which to do this. It’s either that or import new from somewhere else – which doesn’t help either the self-sufficiency or help solve the waste problem. Sending scrap abroad is a cop-out.

    70. Dan says:

      A serving of Hate Crime Korma (mild karma) for Boomerang Girl.

      https://twitter.com/KingsSpotland/status/1397306465883394054

    71. Dan says:

      @ Grousebeater

      Any idea who replaced the three SNP NEC Finance & Audit Committee members that resigned as they were effectively obstructed from carrying out their remit because Magpie Man wouldn’t give them access to the books?

      https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-invisible-weaving/

    72. robertknight says:

      Dave Somerville @10:45

      “Sturgeon just loves them, as do they Sturgeon.”

      To those outside the Dear Leader’s fan club, the whole thing resembles Stockholm Syndrome. The more abuse that gets dished out in the form of crap legislation and regulation which nobody wants, or cover up, sleaze and incompetence at the highest levels of the Government/SNP, the more they love her for it.

      Ask them why Sturgeon has been pissing down our backs for six years and they’ll tell you “it’s just raining”.

    73. Dave Somerville says:

      Robertknight. 12.12

      Robert

      The whole fuckin lot of them drive me fuckin nuts.

      If Sturgeon was to wake up dead tomorrow morning, I would hold the biggest street party ever seen in Scotland since the departure of Thatcher.

    74. Al-Stuart says:

      .
      Dave Somerville at 10.13pm,

      Very well put sir. I also feel your pain.

      Just one wee observation. A slim glimmer of light…

      I vividly recall, in May 1997 how Tony Blair became New Labour prime minister with an unassailable landlside. He commanded and subjugated all before him.

      One man, yes just one man very unfashionably spotted the flaw in this crooked prime minister’s armour. With supreme irony that man was Alex Salmond.

      Do you remember the public opprobrium that was heaped upon Alex?

      Yet, in the end, New Labour was cast out into the political wilderness for a decade since 2010 and probably and other decade before it might ever get another turn at UK Government.

      Does anyone else get a wee bit of deja vu here?

      Alex Salmond is having another megaton of public opprobrium dumped upon his head by a malfunctioning, all-powerful government. This time the Derek MacKay deviants party headed by the Dreghorn Dirker.

      When you look back on Tony Blair and the post-nuclear Armageddon ruins of the New Labour Party, Blair isn’t even a political joke…

      Ex prime minister Tony Blair is a despised political pariah.

      I guarantee every decent soul on this Wings forum, we might be a minority now, but that does not make us wrong.

      Ex first minister Nicola Festering Sturgeon will be a worse political pariah than Blair ever has been. This is because Blair just sold out the Labour Party. Whilst Sturgeon The Betrayer has sold out an entire nation.

      I could almost feel sorry for Sturgeon. The political fallout is inexorably headed her way. She will be lucky to escape court and a prison sentence. Unlike Blair, Sturgeon is a disposable, over-promoted little bit part player from Ayrshire.

      David Somerville, you make an interesting point, and for those who try and get their mind around thid 3D game of political chess head-fuckery we are in right now, trying to figure out the end-game, I have but one rehtorical question…

      In 2010, when New Labour imploded and self-immolated forever, the Tories took their place. Yes?No?

      So in 2026 when EVERYONE in Scotland finally realises Nicola Sturgeon is the biggest political con-artist ever to besmirch a nation, where will all the SNP votes go when that political party self-immolates in the exact same way the once, all-powerful New-Labour went?

      I hope, indeed I have a strange feeling it will be the Alba Party.

      Stranger things have happened.

      Keep the heed Wingers, get the popcorn in. There’s a lot going on behind the scenes. First fall is likely to happen when the well placed whistleblower and her witness go to the polis about the £600,000 and details of whose fingerprints are all over the (now empty) box it came in.

    75. Charles Hodgson says:

      “Andy Ellis says:
      25 May, 2021 at 7:52 am
      @Charles Hodgson 11.56pm & Ian Brotherhood 10.07pm
      I knew it wouldn’t be too long before some roasters BTL resorted to Godwinising.
      I’d appeal to folks sense of proportion, but as I said earlier you can’t educate pork.
      No wonder Rev Stu is giving up: I’m beginning to think Johan Lamont had a point. ?”

      “That’s why those of us who labour at the coalface of the interwebs are studiously careful to avoid Godwinising, because  in the normal course of things, to do so is to lose the argument there and then.  However, there’s a consequence to Godwin’s Law, which is this: sometimes, people really are behaving like Nazis.

      Sometimes, it’s right to point out fascist characteristics in things people do, without fear of being Godwinned and I think such a situation has arisen” with Andy Ellis and his COVID vaccination tyranny.
      http://bocktherobber.com/2013/06/microfascism-the-tyranny-of-the-stupid/

    76. Charles Hodgson says:

      As far as “roasters” go, I’m surprised Andy Ellis can still type, wedged as he is between Sturgeon and her strapon at one end, and Fauci’s diseased member at the other.

    77. Grendel says:

      Blog: ” I do not recall SNP supporters demanding that Anne McTaggart resign as a councillor and force a by-election when she resigned from the Labour Party and joined the SNP in 2019. Indeed, Nicola Sturgeon herself tweeted that it was “great to welcome her” to the party. Likewise, Glasgow Councillor Russell Robertson. So, can we perhaps park the hypocrisy for a wee while?”
      https://anindependentscotsman.wordpress.com/2021/05/26/the-hypocritical-anger-of-the-snp-membership-should-be-put-to-good-use/

    78. Breeks says:

      Remember to put maple syrup on your waffle if it’s stale and unpalatable…

      https://archive.is/BDcZR

      Piss taker in chief there, studiously avoiding the “I” word. Possibly the only skill she’s got.

    79. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Breeks (7.09) –

      Thanks for posting that precis of her ‘big’ speech.

      Saves us having to listen to it.

    80. Effigy says:

      Grant Shaps on breakfast TV condemning Dominique Cummings
      Eyesight test drive to Barnard Castle?

      After all those months of the entire Tory team trying to defend it
      we now hear that if he is going to use the truth against them, they
      Are going to use it against him.

      Cummings actions back then supposedly make Him untrustworthy.

      Has Double Speak been adopted into the U.K. constitution?

    81. Captain Yossarian says:

      Effigy says:
      25 May, 2021 at 7:48 pm

      No, in Scotland, Holyrood would have Dominic Cummings stand trial at the High Court. Boris Johnson would have enlisted the help of a large number of ‘alphabet women’ who would testify against Cummings and call him a sex-pest.

      That’s the difference, Effigy.

    82. Socrates MacSporran says:

      Breeks

      Once again, thanks for pointing-out the sheer hypocricy of The Great Leader, as she once again totally forgets to mention INdependence, when looking ahead to her new term in government.

      How much longer do we have to wait, before the great unwashed sheep who vote SNP realise – they should have listened to The Who, or Abraham Lincoln, rather than the wee nyaff frae Dreghorn.

    83. Robert Hughes says:

      ” At this election the SNP set out a bold, energetic and inclusive agenda to get Scotland through and out of the pandemic, to secure a strong recovery and to take on the longer term challenges the pandemic has shone such a spotlight on. ”

      ” bold ” hahahaha .

      New SNP will boldly not go where where only man has boldy went before .

      Direct confrontation with our dungeon-masters

    84. Robert Hughes says:

      ” one man “

    85. Robert Hughes says:

      Christ !! typos

      one more time

      New SNP will boldly not go where only one man has boldy went

    86. Dan says:

      Killing Joke…

      Arms firms selling weapons to Israel received nearly £10m in Scottish Enterprise grants

      https://twitter.com/FerretScot/status/1396501076032032772

      Bee-killing pesticide treatment for fish farms backed by Scottish Government

      https://twitter.com/FerretScot/status/1395774042788048896

    87. Robert Hughes says:

      Dan @ 9.37

      As if salmon fish farms are not ( truly ) toxic – to the environment , the fish , ourselves – enough our * bold * NSNP reckon even more destructive chemicals are just the thing needed .

      Glad the infinitive-splitters are still contributing to poor oppressed Israel’s humanitarian desire to assist the Palestinians .

      So * progressive ” it brings tears to your eyes huh ?

    88. Pixywine says:

      I just cancelled my part in a pub meet up with family and
      old friends because I refuse to give support to Fascist “track and trace”. Society is being held hostage by idiots among the general public who sell their souls for a drink. To all lockdown fanatics thanks for absolutely fucking nothing you damned numbnuts. Why are the public such peasants?

    89. Dan says:

      @ Robert Hughes at 9.49am

      Aye, with 1.1 million SNP Regional List votes obtaining just 2 seats, Scotland could ditch toxic salmon farming, and replace it with a booming mushroom industry what with the abundance of darkness and shit that appears so prevalent across our country. 🙁

      Ever get the feeling you’ve not been cheated…

      https://twitter.com/JNHanvey/status/1397307837878095879

    90. Republicofscotland says:

      “They have only been replaced on relevant Comittees they were on , not replaced as SNP MP’s daftie, they remain as Independent MP’s until they resign or get voted out but in the meantime hardly turning up.”

      Don.

      So you’d rather they sat on their arses in the HoC and were unable to affect anything in a positive manner, than come to Scotland and speak with their constituents on their concerns, sounds like a both votes SNP point of view if you ask me.

    91. Anthem says:

      Hmmmm, Ramsey Healthcare (Australian owned) takes over Spire healthcare (UK owned). What’s in this proposed “Australian trade deal”?

    92. stonefree says:

      @ Cenchos at 2:12 pm
      “Anyone who finds themselves in favour with the SNP might want to look hard and deep into their own past and see what the party could use as, um, motivational leverage. ”
      Someone else expressed similar, Within this thread I think, I have been looking for that one, It is my believe that “motivational leverage” is the major weapon used by Murrell and Co.
      If one looks into the “suspects background” it’s usually not far from the surface, But they need to be “outed” before the controllers get exposed

    93. Ruby says:

      https://archive.is/NYyjB

      Pure gold!

      Must be at least 24 carrots!

    94. Republicofscotland says:

      Christ not another report from the SNP that finds just what a great wee country Scotland can be when it becomes independent, the latest in a long line of SNP reports, on why we need independence is from the Justice and Fairness Commission.

      I think we’re all now a bit immune to shite pumped out by the SNP on what great we country Scotland will be once we’re an independent nation.

    95. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      “Piss taker in chief there, studiously avoiding the “I” word. Possibly the only skill she’s got.” @Breeks says at 7:09 am

      It unfortunately appears the only ‘I’ word she/her is interested in promoting these days is “inclusive” and we all know what that really means!

    96. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Cummings, right now, de-balling Boris live on national television.

    97. Ruby says:

      Ian Brotherhood says:
      26 May, 2021 at 10:31 am
      Cummings, right now, de-balling Boris live on national television.

      Reply

      https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/d919fbc9-72ca-42de-9b44-c0bf53a7360b

    98. Robert Hughes says:

      Dan @ 10.16

      Would that be morel or Murrell mushrooms ?

      That N Hanvey tweet/graph . Ffs !

      Utterly disgraceful state of affairs . To answer your – rhetorical- question

      NO !!

    99. Breastplate says:

      Dan @ 10:16am
      Union Don will be along any minute now to explain why being charged to give our energy away to our southern neighbours is a good thing.

      If we weren’t in the Union, how else would we be able to offload our resources while simultaneously paying to do so?

      Don will definitely have the answer.

    100. Republicofscotland says:

      Dan @10.16am.

      Excellent link Dan, we’re being robbed blind and have been for decades on energy, Sturgeon the Betrayer, has now found a way for us to be robbed blind big time as well on renewables.

      https://archive.is/BkvFk

    101. robertknight says:

      @Ruby

      Thanks for the link.

      Not a whiff of “I don’t know” “I can’t remember” “I don’t recall” “I’m not aware” etc. etc. etc.x50

      I bet BawJaws is wishing Cummings suffered from the same amnesia as Sturgeon does.

    102. Dan says:

      The full tweet thread that Neale Hanvey responded in contains other decent info too so will link to that.

      https://twitter.com/Obey___/status/1397170429433991169

    103. Ruby says:

      https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/d919fbc9-72ca-42de-9b44-c0bf53a7360b

      First half Matt Hancock called a liar.

      2nd half starts of with Hancock getting deballed & a full ‘Lorena Bobbitt’

      Now to be know as Matt Han

    104. wee monkey says:

      It’s always someone else’s fault…
      —-
      Captain Yossarian says:
      25 May, 2021 at 6:07 am

      “…The Scottish public are deeply indoctrinated by the subversive media and endemic propaganda.

      And I mean endemic, self renewing; just look at the idiots supposedly on our side trying to smear and castigate Alex Salmond for the things he didn’t do. Who needs the BBC to stitch him up when stupid YES supporters just need pointed in that general direction, and do the propagandists job for them while the BBC can sink back into the shadows with a smirk on its face… ”

      —-

      one [ok two] things that are blindingly obvious

      1. what tv channel ran the hourly First Meenisters daily propaganda program every day? The fucking BBC.

      2. Do you actually think [in hindsight] that ANY of the opposition parties actually wanted to take over the running of Scotland and be held responsible for the national disaster that is ongoing and with the virus mutating into deadlier and deadlier variants??? [google black fungal death]

      All Election activities should have been annulled until this pandemic runs it’s terrible course.

      Naturally the opportunity to weaponise this crisis for personal and political gain was a demonstration of the morality of the murrels.

    105. Alf Baird says:

      Dan @ 10:16 am

      “Ever get the feeling you’ve not been cheated…”

      A nation and people subject to economic exploitation and plunder and therefore rendered underdeveloped is the inevitable fate of any colony; which explains what independence is – i.e. decolonisation.

    106. Ruby says:

      https://archive.is/PcSwg

      Iain Macwhirter saying everything Boris did and is being criticised for She/Her did too.

    107. Ruby says:

      https://archive.is/AdYaA

      Police probe SNP Rhiannon Spear Twitter complaints amid Eurovision ‘hate UK’ row

      Should be interesting to see what becomes of this.

      It looks very much like a hate crime!
      May even by a racist hate crime.

      Humza Yousaf will need to be very careful what he says!
      I’m pretty sure the media would like nothing better than to see him charged with a hate crime. What a scoop!

    108. Breeks says:

      Republicofscotland says:
      26 May, 2021 at 11:33 am
      Dan @10.16am.

      Excellent link Dan, we’re being robbed blind and have been for decades on energy, Sturgeon the Betrayer, has now found a way for us to be robbed blind big time as well on renewables.

      Em… the article doesn’t seem to mention Scotland having a Capital Fund set up and paid for by it’s vibrant Renewables Industry similar, in principle to Norway’s Oil fund. Or did I just miss that bit in the small print? No “Scotenergy” State owned Renewables Company like Norway’s Statoil? Maybe that’s in the small print’s small print…

      Or maybe Scotland is in the process of yet another Klondike bonanza for Westminster which Scotland will only read about in hindsight 30 years from now when all the cream has been skimmed off, because the Report examining Scotland’s wealth was too sensitive to be released.

    109. Ruby says:

      “What would a snowman say if he could talk?

      “I smell carrots.”

      What will Independence supporters say to She/Hers promise of an IndyRef2?

    110. Captain Yossarian says:

      Back to Guido Fawkes again – about a year ago he published an article on the origins of Covid-19 and he said it most likely came from the Wuhan testing lab. This time it was the Chinese Gov that tried to get Guido Fawkes closed down, but the UK Gov were having none of it.

      In the intervening year, the media have played-down the liklihood of the virus being artificailly maufactured in Wuhan and released accidentally from the lab. But, I notice the allegation has resurfaced and this time it is Anthony Faucci who is making the suggestion. He was Trump’s Chief Medical Officer but was nothing like Trump. He always struck me as a very measured guy.

      So, Guido Fawkes may have been right all along. Just as well the UK Gov didn’t jump the gun and close them down.

      I somehow think Stuart Campbell will be proven right too in a year’s time when the depravity of this crap Holyrood government and what they are doing to us starts to dawn on people. All because people thought that voting for anything other than ‘both votes SNP’ was too complex for them.

      I wonder if Stuart Campbell would consider a political blog as Guido Fawkes is. Don’t concentrate on the SNP all the time because nothing happens there. They’re and arrogant bunch who think they are beyond learning. Widen it out.

      I think he may get an even bigger and wider circulation if he did that. Plus, he wouldn’t be such a target for the SNP.

      Not everyone likes Stuart Campbell of course, but there is a grudging admiration for the guy wherever you go and he would be a big loss to all of us.

    111. James Che. says:

      Dave Somerville.
      I don’t question the electorate as being stupid at all for their voting.
      What I question is the inability of the people in high place running and overseeing the election counting.
      They knew the election was coming well in advance, and yet councils did not make safe arrangements and spaces for the votes to start being counted straight away.
      When I see that the votes were lying around over night and transported it reminds me of corrupt voting systems in third world countries.
      As the old saying goes, it is not the voters that are important, but those counting the votes.
      To add fire to this, may I remind you that I spoke up about this two days before the election, when in conversation with a local SNP while we were out leafleting, he told us what he thought the results would be, he also told us he would ensure he was at the counting,
      And you will never guess. It happened just like he said it would
      That man should have a career on tele for being psychic, he was so accurate,
      What is even more surprising in that our area is not one that votes SNP, it’s known for holding Tory votes.
      And under normal circumstances I do not see long-standing Tory voters voting snp.

    112. Breeks says:

      I’m not watching much of Cummings testimony, because I frankly can’t stand the fella, nor would I trust him an inch.

      He also seems terribly “face touchy feely”, which body language people often suggest is a tell for evasiveness or deception.

      But a bigger interest I have rather than this “Foreign Affairs” UK News story, is the hope frankly, that one day we’ll be listening to an SNP whistleblower who will do to Sturgeon’s corrupt wee clique what Cummings is trying to do to Johnson, and blow the lid off the whole rotten shit show. Now that, I would like to see.

      That said, Cumming’s testimony might be the exposure stage of the process, but in a dismally bleak UK, it still feels a million miles away from purging all the rotten crooks and charlatans out the system. You get the depressing sense of déjà vu, that no matter how rotten the stench is, it will all just roll on as before.

    113. Republicofscotland says:

      Breeks @ 1.12pm.

      I just get the feeling that here’s another private firm that will soak up a bundle of taxpayers money (incentives to create jobs) and somewhere down the lines the promised jobs won’t materialise, and we’ll have another BiFab on our hands.

      But the publicity that surrounds it today will probably be the thing that’s remembered with Michael Matheson (failed Justice secretary, now Energy secretary) smiling mug staring back at me in the media.

      I’m also under the impression that energy matters are mainly reserved.

      https://www.gov.uk/guidance/devolution-settlement-scotland

    114. Robert Hughes says:

      That’s the case in UK Politics now Breeks

      No fucker is ever held to account for ANYTHING , no matter how blatant and egregious their criminality/corruption

      In part because the notion of true investigative journalism has been strangled , with the MSM and politicians all feeding from the same trough

    115. Dan says:

      Carrot seeds deployed…

      ‘Minimum income of £37,000’ plan for families in independent Scotland.

      https://archive.is/VtWHD

      One ponders what enticements will be next in the quest to help create future generations…Free speedboat, cuddly toy, food processor, nest of tables, E scooter, fondue set, cuddly toy, toasty machine, patio furniture, cuddly toy, microwave, blow and hookers…

    116. Dan says:

      Do as we say, not as we do…” (NB. Not a Lukewarm_Dave image)

      https://twitter.com/ChrisMusson/status/1397533162822160385

    117. Stuart MacKay says:

      I notice the Social Justice and Fairness Commission was careful to call their scheme “minimum income” rather than “universal basic income”. As such it will be an utter waste of time and money.

      All you’re doing is guaranteeing a set level of benefits. The first thing businesses will do is to cut wages since they know the government is going to pick up the bill.

      What they should be trying is a “universal basic income” pilot which is guaranteed for the lifetime of the participants. Then you might get some useful information out of it.

      They could even use the money from the sovereign wealth funds for oil and renewable energy. Oh, wait a minute.

      Carrot seeds indeed. Just another heap of empty promises and useless bullshit. And this is what the country has for brains. God help us.

    118. robertknight says:

      She/Her giving it more “Jam Tomorrow”.

      Any independent observer would be forgiven for thinking the newSNP has just been placed into office after a long period in opposition.

    119. Cenchos says:

      Ma Sturgeon’s Independent Kitchen Co Ltd.

      Coming Soon!
      Special Indy Edition Carrot Jam.

      Also available:

      Limited Edition Ross Greer Green Pickle.

      “Perfect for a Pub Lunch.”

    120. James Che. says:

      Wether it’s basic income, universal credit, minimum income or whatever the governments call it, the purpose is to cut businesses and to make everyone equally dependent on governments for income.
      It is the death nail for entrepreneurs or for a country to thrive through individual success, to make a level playing field of low income.
      Being able to employ others and making others employed through small businesses will be gone along with the structure of society,
      Young people will become permantly separated from the older generation, or those frowning up in the generation that follows them,
      I agree that those whom are struggling should have help to bring them up to a higher financial standard of living.
      But to bring others down to a lower level of earnings on to minimum or basic level will induce a poor nation,
      With the help of covid lockdowns of businesses this is perpetuating the scenario and outlook not just for Scotland but across Britain and the divide between rich and poor not only will grow but will be maintained and implemented by the governments.

    121. Dan says:

      In these perilous times for our planet…
      Due to the needless and reckless wasting of electrical energy and resultant environmentally damaging affects caused by servers having to store bazzilions of superfluous keystrokes;
      I eagerly await the Scottish Government Administrators of Devolved Powers proposing an Eco-friendly Wealth Fund whereupon revenues will be generated by levying a pro-noun tax.

    122. Meg merrilees says:

      Breeks

      To me the situation with Cummings is a bit like the AS/NS ‘conflict’ in so much as this is someone who knows what was going on inside the government, who is now being grilled. He appears to have the facts readily available but people will be too scared for their own future to give it any credibility and he will become a pariah (if Johnson’s mates want to protect him enough).

      I see she/her’s government are announcing an investigation into the Scot Gov decision to allow Trump his golf course at Aberdeen – surely this is just another vehicle for them to try and trash Alex’s reputation further.
      This goes beyond petty and, I presume, this squirrel is being used to stop people saying ‘ how about we have an investigation into how the Scot gov handled the pandemic’

      I’d call them ‘a bunch of charlatans’ but it is a disservice to true charlatans.

    123. Stuart MacKay says:

      James Che

      The purpose of universal basic income is to permanently restructure the economy and hopefully build a more civic minded society.

      So faced with the question of do I go to my bullshit job that pays £10/hr or do I go clean up all the litter I can find on the beach. I know which one I’d prefer doing and I know the one I’d get respect for.

      This brings up a fundamental problem with such schemes. You can’t do it without large amounts of automation and you can’t do it without spending large amounts of money preparing and “nudging” your soon-to-be utopian society in the right direction. Want to serve in local government or become an MP? How about 20 years serving the needs of the community on civic projects, learning how everything works and what the problems are before the country countenances putting you in charge of anything important.

      Could be a huge breath of fresh air and a chance to clean out all the crap and graft in every dark corner. Sadly, with the level of competence in this government it’d be a lot safer moving to Zimbabwe.

    124. Republicofscotland says:

      No real justice for the families, very sad indeed.

      “The trial of two retired police officers and a former solicitor accused of perverting the course of justice following the Hillsborough disaster has collapsed after the judge ruled there was no case to answer.”

      https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/courts/hillsborough-trial-collapses-as-judge-rules-no-case-to-answer-against-former-police-officers/ar-AAKoEzA?ocid=msedgntp

    125. James Che. says:

      Of corse in the future if anyone did not follow in agreement with what government dictates, they can simply withdraw state benifit until you do tow the line,
      Old fashioned starve them out battles taken into a modern perspective.
      And the skills presently, that people have would be lost in two generations
      This would be a sacrifice to a low income, a poorer nation and going backwards

    126. Sensible Dave says:

      James Che 4.05

      … in simple terms James, history teaches us that the only “equality” that socialism has ever achieved (anywhere, ever) is that the proles become equally poor – and/or are murdered in their millions by their tyrannical “leaders”!

      Equality of opportunity is a desirable state, whereas equality of outcome means that people have to be forced to do things they don’t want to do. For example, if women want to be brick layers, then providing they are capable and willing to do the work in the conditions that go with the job, then they should be offered the same (equal) opportunity as men. However, if we say 50% of brick layers have to be women (equal outcomes), then there would be a lot of very unhappy women on building sites!

    127. Daisy Walker says:

      Not going to watch shifty blinks recent bullshit.

      Trying to be positive:

      Carrot, Orange and Ginger Soup

      Small bag of carrots (about 6 -10) peeled and chopped
      1 x Onion – peeled and chopped
      About 1 ” peeled and chopped finely or grated ginger
      Juice of 2 oranges
      Stock – veg or chicken – about 3 cups worth –

      Saute the onion, carrots and ginger in a wee bit of oil until softening.

      Add the stock and simmer until carrots cooked all the way through.

      Blend it until smooth.

      Add the orange juice. Season.

      Tastes even better the next day, when the ginger has had a chance to work its magic.

      Really good also if your suffering from a cold, or need perking up. Good as a ‘summer’ soup.

      Stir in a bit of cream or creme fresh to upgrade it if you fancy.

    128. Tannadice Boy says:

      @Captain Yossarian 1:49pm
      Well I would agree that Stu is an outstanding journalist. I don’t think he will change his mind though. If you want to understand the strategic direction of the Scottish Government look no further than Jacinda Adhern. Oor Nickla is copying her. A wokerati coalition in all but name. Most of the laws coming up will be unbearable. I have no sympathy. You get what you vote for.

    129. Meg merrilees says:

      Daisy that sounds delicious. At the risk of turning this into a recipe forum I’m trying out a rhubarb and strawberry liqueur recipe:

      250g rhubarb/250ml water/100g sugar/2 or 3 strawberries

      Put everything in a pan with a lid. Bring to the boil then reduce heat and simmer for half an hour on a really low setting. Leave it to cool then strain through a fine cloth or some kitchen paper.
      Mix the strained liquid with an equal amount of Gin and store in a clean bottle.

      Produces about 1 litre. Double up the quantities to make a large batch. Cheers.

    130. Captain Yossarian says:

      Tannadice Boy says:
      26 May, 2021 at 5:34 pm

      Stuart Campbell gets frustrated with thick folk and folk who don’t listen. I’ve noticed that about him and it is something that endears him to many people. It reminds me of my school days in a way.

      He needs to make a living and what better way to make a living than doing what you are good at and knowing that folk appreciate it and follow it.

      The point I was making is that folk like Guido Fawkes are well protected in England and I see no reason why Stuart Campbell wouldn’t be well protected there too.

      That’s the Saudi Government and the Chinese Government who both wanted that Guido Fawkes closed down within a space of 2 or 3 years and they both got no-where.

      Articles on Holyrood and articles on Westminster too; I think that could be a winner.

    131. Dan says:

      Yay! It’s finally stopped raining so can go outdoors without drowning.
      Runner bean trellis moved to new bed and a dozen seedlings planted. Three Crown Prince pumpkin plants now nestled in their mounds protected by some mahoosif Discovery 3 used tyres.
      A hunner onions in and sprouting, twa dozen tattie plants now showing shaws, Strawbs, blackcurrants and blueberries bushes flowering with a couple of bumble bees buzzin aboot.
      Rhubarb looks like it’s been tanning viagra so going to get the first jam of the year made.
      Still need to get the beetroot seeds in, but toying with giving carrots a miss this year for some reason…

      Talking of beetroot, a tasty salad.
      Grate a couple of peeled raw beetroots, or if your teeth are fucked coz covid stopped you seeing a dentist, boil and chop into small chunks.
      Peel and chunk a couple of apples (not cookers).
      Mix beetroot and apple together and add the juice from a squeezed lime or twa, and garnish with some fine cut fresh mint.
      The lime juice stops the apple turning brown.
      Eat

      NB. Important to remember that when you next pish, you are not actually dying and it’s coloured red coz of the beetroot. 😉

    132. Dave Somerville says:

      Dan 3.30pm

      You didn’t mention the name of the Gay bar they were in.

      You’re slippin Dan.

    133. Tannadice Boy says:

      @Captain Yossarian 6:06pm
      It’s up to Stu. He is in charge of his own life. I think he is a creative individual that made a living from the games industry before. Sometimes you have to face reality. 5 years of torture for him and me watching what the the Woke SG will do. Not for me. We will be out soon. The question I have will my bairns get out?. It’s up to them. A longstanding friend of mine (we went to school together). He is a dentist told me the cost of PPE is more than the income stream from NHS per appointment. He is getting out nobody listens he told me. A future disaster that will be unreported.

    134. J.o.e says:

      @James Che at 4:05 pm

      Yes, well said. The level of delusion around UBI is astounding. Dangerously so.

      Proponents are basically trusting in the idea that any government can properly manage such a scheme and would not use UBI as a means of punishing people for wrong think.

      Im no fan of how the economy has been run til now but a better and more fundamental question would be how to get the debt cartel out of our lives and nations.

      UBI would basically take away any chance of having a natural economy driven by peoples needs and their ability to freely trade between each other and put it completely into the hands of people who have continually proven to be 3rd rate thinkers, 4rth rate organisers and 1st rate liars. Every single time.

      While this corporation dominated false economy with fake debt currency is hardly anything to be desired UBI would end up totalitarian.

      We should no longer be prone to making the mistake of giving government too much power. Seriously folks.

    135. Grey Gull says:

      Daisy, Meg and Dan……thanks for the recipes!

    136. Robert Hughes says:

      J.o.e @ 7.27 .

      I see your point here , and agree the biggest bane of societies , pretty much worldwide , is the deeply entangled role of money/banks/debt in every aspect of our lives and the seeming impossibility of disentangling ourselves from it , now becoming more potentially damaging by the increasing digitisation of money : not hard to imagine in the not too distant future the complete disappearance of 3D money , with all the implications for social control that implies .

      However , I’ve also seen examples ( from Scandinavia , of course ! ) of people putting UBI to good , productive , creative use and rather that becoming lazy or maybe inclined to indulge in too much * recreation * the people I refer to actually became more active and productive , freed from the absolute need to work to survive, often involving unsatisfying jobs , they had more time to do things that did satisfy them , and in some cases they were able to contribute more the communities they lived in .
      Like any theoretically good idea , it comes down to who’s doing it , organising it and whether they can be trusted to keep to the original good intention .

    137. J.o.e says:

      @Robert Hughes

      My problem with UBI is not only with the potential of social control by governments.

      We are assuming we still have a monetary economy when we introduce UBI. The simple, unavoidable fact is that if you increase the purchasing power of everyone in the country then the market will react to this reality by raising prices for everything – to the point that it will pretty much nullify the ‘bonus’ provided by UBI and then disproportionately hurt people who are on lower incomes but who do not rely only on UBI.

      Example: If you are a landlord with a house for rent at 500 per month and now you know that starting next month everyone will be 600 per month richer, what do you do?

      Further – productivity would be hurt and less services offered as people would need to offer them less, which would further enhance the negative effect.

      If it were as simple as the proponents of UBI suggest it wouldnt have been kept in small trial areas and for finite periods of time.

      If you want to help people on poor incomes achieve a better quality of life then increase productivity to make goods and services cheaper versus spending power while removing the choke hold of debt.

    138. Meg merrilees says:

      Grey Gull

      I’m straining the rhubarb just now – doesn’t look anything like half a litre of juice coming out of the gunge. I’ll leave it overnight.

      My pot lid doesn’t fit tightly so I might have lost too much water when I was cooking it, we’ll see.
      Might just have to add more gin to make up the volume!

      Tastes nice though!

    139. Stuart MacKay says:

      J.o.e

      A short while ago I made the comment that a lot of people are against independence as they see the UK as something greater than what Scotland could achieve on it’s own. I’ve said before that Scottish independence is not viable until a right-wing pro-independence party emerges, otherwise the centre and left of centre dominates and there can be no progress in persuading the 20-30% of people who vote for the Conservatives as an antedote to some of the more crazy policies of the left.

      At what point for you does the idea of Scotland being independent seem to be viable?

      Not trolling, I’m genuinely interested. For a country that gave the world Adam Smith and many engineering and scientific greats it seems bat-shit crazy that Scotland couldn’t repeat earlier successes.

      It seems to me that until English politics are dropped into the gutter where they belong the county can never really be free and set it’s own course in the world.

    140. Robert Hughes says:

      J.o.e

      Yes , again , I see your point/s .

      I think they problem my lie in what we consider ” quality of life ” . Without going into that too much , which would entail going into areas of philosophy , Psychology etc : the money/banks/dept nexus is more or less fuelled by Consumerism – we all work and aim towards a better quality of Material life , better homes,cars,phones etc as well as the basic requirements of food and shelter , the definition of * success * seems to be the capacity to buy the best of everything – I’m generalising here of course , but that seems to be the dominant worldview of our time .

      I’ve always believed Politics is not sufficient to address the existential questions life poses , though of course there’s a world of difference between living in – relatively – free Liberal societies and one dominated by religious or military regimes for example .

      Maybe we need more Poets and Philosophers and less self-serving glove-puppet Politicians .

      As long as the Poets and Philosophers don’t mind doing a bit of hard graft now and again

    141. crazycat says:

      @ Meg mrrilees at 8.49

      Unless you were in a hurry, you could have just mixed the fruit, sugar and alcohol in a jar and left it in a cool dark place for 6 weeks. I did that with vodka (gin and I don’t get on); it was a gorgeous pink to start with, but the colour was fugitive and it ended up straw-coloured. Still tasted nice.

    142. crazycat says:

      @ Meg merrilees

      Apologies for the typo. The strained fruit was edible too, if a bit soft.

    143. President Xiden says:

      So Nicola wants to work closer together with a party who would abolish the foundation for Nicolas economy in an instant. Not the most consistent thinking there.

    144. Robert Hughes says:

      Typos .

      ” may ” not ” my ” . ” debt ” not ” dept “

    145. J.o.e says:

      @Stuart Mackay

      I think Scotland could be independent right now. It is perfectly viable. There will be a few years to a decade of undoing damage done by WM and ridiculous SNP but in the long run I see no problem.

      I don’t see left or right as being a problem in and of themselves. The problem comes when the ‘purer’ versions of these political sides start to be demanded/

      Libertarians often worship market forces as the god that if left untouched by any kind of intervention would lead to happiness for all. Its utter fantasy and im sure you understand why. In the quest for differential advantage if there are no rules enforced then it pretty quickly becomes conflict.

      The trouble that is hard to express to the left wing of politics is that as things stand you simply cannot have a market economy and have UBI without debasing the value of the currency in question. There is no situation without outright AI provision for every part of our lives and thereby running a resource based economy rather than a monetary/market economy that people will not have to produce, think, do and serve in order to maintain a functioning society. AI, despite what the billionaires who have never had a real job and are slavering to get rid of workers want to think, simply is not up to functioning adequately in environments built for humans.

      The right are insane if they think that unregulated greed can magically create some sort of harmony.

      But the left are equally imbalanced. A few years ago I was working in another country and about 70% of what I earned was going to the state in one shape or form. Is it ‘fair’ for me to be missing out on fresh air, exercise, time with my family, stress relief etc while providing a necessary service while others who are just as physically and mentally capable are literally living on the tax people like me pay while I miss out on most of my life because im trading work hours for pay?

      Why is it ‘fair’ for a man to have to be lowered into a sewer (necessary job) while someone else is busy painting sunsets and exploring their inner selves and collecting goverment money for it? Who instead would have a non-functioning sewer and a drop in living standards if someone wasnt going down there and doing maintenance.

      Besides this is academic because ultimately you cannot arbitrarily increase the purchasing power of everyone in a country and for the market to not adjust upwards. It is simply absolute fantasy in a monetary market economy and is only brought up as a vote winner by the less honest of leftist politicians.

    146. J.o.e says:

      @Robert Hughes

      Currently in Scotland I see politics as being in the way until its about 6 months from an election or referendum.

      Everybody sitting around on their arses waiting for the right political result as if its the lottery. Thats not a slander at the indy activists who knock their pan in for the cause. But for the bulk of the population thats exactly what goes on.

      Then even when you get the right result it is watered down, modified, blocked, stymied, renegotiated, delayed, discussed, reassessed and would you look at that its nearly time for the next election, lets hope we get the right result.

      That’s not power. That’s being played. That’s why its what we are given.

      It is absolutely important to build a political front, obviously. But the independence movement needs to work just as hard on legal challenges in defense of our people, PR and marketing to get the right messages out, education and of course media and journalism.

      Imagine this – imagine if everyone who wanted Scottish independence stopped paying their TV license and instead diverted the same money to a parallel Scottish ‘state’ of people whose explicit purpose was to promote, educate, defend and strengthen our nation completely outside of the political realm? Whose measures of success are gains made in the real world for US and not by numbers of arses on chairs?

      Our political system is defining our limits because we are not thinking outside of it.

    147. Robert Hughes says:

      J.o.e @ 11.12

      ” Our political system is defining our limits because we are not thinking outside of it.” . Nutshell .

    148. Tannadice Boy says:

      Joe back to Robert Hughes, back to Joe back to Robert Hughes, back to Joe. The site is finished. Only the future of Chris the cartoonist and background staff prevents me from calling it. Stu will decide its his site.

    149. J.o.e says:

      @Tannadice boy

      And what the honest fuck have you just added to the conversation if this is so beneath you and unworthy of wings?

    150. Tannadice Boy says:

      Back to Robert Hughes..ad infinitum

    151. J.o.e says:

      @Tannadice boy

      Thanks for underlining the point

      If you want to keep wings relevant why not post something that isnt tearfilled doom mongering limp wristed shit or how you don’t like who happens to be saying something at any one particular time.

      Fuck off.

    152. Tannadice Boy says:

      Back to Robert Hughes. Its the same person having a conversation. Whatever turns you on. Back to Joe.

    153. Dave Somerville says:

      Stuart MacKay. 8.51pm

      “I’ve said before that Scottish independence is not viable until a right-wing pro-independence party emerges…”

      Stuart, I must disagree with you there.

      What the independence movement needs is a strong Indy leader.

      Something we have not had since Alex Salmond.

      Sturgeon is a sexually perverted con merchant, with a close inner circle of equally sexually perverted con merchants.
      As in, Harvie, Smith, Peter Murrell and a whole list of others we probably don’t even know about.

      Devolution suits her just fine.

      That is why Indy had stalled, NOT because we need a strong right wing Indy Party.

      Imo.

    154. Dave Somerville says:

      If only Alex Salmond had been leader at the time of Brexit.

      We would now be an Independent Nation by now.

      Of this I am sure.

      We missed it by just a couple of years.

      Instead we had the sexual pervert Sturgeon running the show, and the rest is history, as they say.

    155. Tannadice Boy says:

      @Dave Somerville 12:34
      I would agree its not a right wing party but the centre ground. And there is nothing for us. You all going down the progressive left wing Woke agenda. If Patrick Harvie is the answer you haven’t paid enough taxes.

    156. Dave Somerville says:

      Tannadice boy. 12.46am

      “If Patrick Harvie is the answer you haven’t paid enough taxes.”

      Tannadice boy, I don’t think you have read my post correctly.

      I haven’t got a clue what your post is all about.

      Crossed wires I think.

      Have another read at what I posted at 12.34am.

    157. Breeks says:

      Stuart MacKay says:
      26 May, 2021 at 8:51 pm

      …I’ve said before that Scottish independence is not viable until a right-wing pro-independence party emerges….

      I’m not sure it needs to be right wing, but it definitely needs to be a LOT more confident and assertive, (not to mention competent), about Scotland’s Constitutional Sovereignty. It MUST defend that sovereign principle, and make sure any and all erosion of, or encroachment over that principle is made utterly indigestible to the Scottish people.

      I think too, it MUST assert itself internationally, in much the same way that the Scottish UN Committee did back in the ‘80’s, and work tirelessly to make the case that the UK Union has an existential contradiction at it’s heart, and an unconstitutional anomaly which compromises the legitimacy of the deal.

      It is, and always has been, colonial subjugation masquerading as a treaty of equals, and a great “wrong” which has gone on for much too long without justice and due recognition of the colonial suppression of Scotland’s Constitutional integrity.

      We must work to create and sustain disillusion with the Union from within, but also, we must engage with the International Community to raise awareness that the UK Union is built upon unsound foundations which would not survive constitutional scrutiny.

      We need to educate the Scottish people not only that Scottish Independence is a great thing for Scotland in it’s own right, but educate the Scottish people and the International Community that Scottish Independence represents the “righting” of a long established “wrong”, and would mark the end of a long standing colonial injustice.

      Willie MacRae’s Scottish UN Committee had the right idea, and forget about Labour collecting the accolades as the Party which delivered Devolution. It was the work of the Scottish UN Committee which made it happen. That statue of Donald Dewar should be one of Willie MacRae.

      I firmly believe this is where ALBA needs to position itself… and take a leaf out of Sinn Féin’s book by contesting seats in Holyrood and Westminster, but with no intention of taking them up, and instead disputing the Constitutional legitimacy of both UK Parliaments, and remaining true to the older and superior Constitution of “Auld Scotland”, which the 1707 Treaty of Union DID NOT extinguish.

      The SNP under Sturgeon are much, much too compliant and subservient to Westminster’s “assertion” of a UK Parliamentary Sovereignty which cannot properly exist. The UK Union can only exist if the irreconcilable components of the “Union” remain hidden behind screen after screen of adopted unwritten convention, which cannot be written, because the clarity established by writing them down would vindicate the sovereign legitimacy and ascendency of Scotland’s superior Sovereign Constitution. Scotland just cannot afford to be this compliant and complicit in it’s own subjugation. Screw the SNP for being so.

      Scotland has a great leader in Alex Salmond, and had he been the leader of a sovereign Nation, the smears and conspiracies against him would have been discredited as comparable to the worst excesses of the CIA interfering in foreign nations to affect regime changes by direct insurrection or sponsoring a coup to depose a hostile government. ( And it’s not incredible that Sturgeon would even be the patsy they’d have installed in his place).

      To my inner core, every instinct tells me that Salmond’s removal from the crucible of Scottish Independence politics is a victory for Unionism… they have taken the ultimate scalp. It is vital we defeat their objective and protect “our” man. I firmly believe we do NOT need less Alex Salmond, but more, and what we really DO need is a Scottish equivalent of Mary Lou MacDonald.

      And frustratingly, I actually think we might even have one in Joanna Cherry. Different from Mary Lou, but just as potent in her own way, but I think Joanna needs shielded from these Wokeratti cretins trying to make her life a misery, and given our blessing to go full Tonto with her laser rifle set to MAX with licence to kill, and to burn down all the unconstitutional conventions and sophistry which imprison Scotland within this fallacy of a Union. Go for it Joanna, and don’t stop until it’s done.

      I believe Joanna Cherry has the potential to be an even bigger thorn in the side of the Union and all the Union stands for, than even Alex Salmond… but I think she perhaps lacks confidence, or is having her confidence sapped by all the genderwanks in the SNP.

      If I was running the show, I’d say to Joanna Cherry, stop what you’re doing, put it all on hold. You have one job Joanna, one job only, and that is exposing, discrediting, and bringing down the Treaty of Union before the eyes of the International Community and UN. And meantime, any fuckwit with as much as a rainbow coloured lapel badge wouldn’t get within 100 miles of her.

    158. Pixywine says:

      Yossarian. You’re an idiot. Fauci has been cheif medical bozo under several Administrations he also denies the Wuhan leak story which is a red Herring really. Rand Paul giving Fauci a hard time about it. You’re clueless.

    159. Stuart MacKay says:

      J.o.e

      Thanks for the answer. I see that a lot of people aren’t so far apart when it comes to the day to day stuff of making the country a decent place to live and to ensure everybody in it gets a fair chance to make a go of things.

      Breeks

      I mentioned the right-wing party as there needs to be a viable alternative to the Conservatives. Then we can really start digging out Westminster’s claws as support for an independent Scotland can develop right across the political spectrum. However you’re right about Alba. It has the chance to take the country in an entirely different direction.

      We seem to have inherited the worst of American leftism and English Conservatism all nicely wrapped up in a “neo-liberal and what’s good for the self-styled elites is good for all” wrapping. The mainstream media’s fixation with personality and all things America and the Atlanticist’s fantasy that the UK can stand shoulder to shoulder with the US would appear to be the source.

    160. Effigy says:

      The Tories are all rallying around the number of vaccines
      that have been given out but the big number that is key
      to all this the number of U.K. deaths.

      Just under 128,000 registered and another 20,000 excess
      Deaths that seem to be brushed under the carpet.
      Having the highest death tally in the whole of Europe after
      15 months is the measurement that reveals how Westminster
      mishandled the Covid crisis.

      Jeffery Archer on TV saying we must let Hancock defend himself?
      That would be the man who said we had all the PPE we required at
      the outbreak, who said he was distributing it to where needed when it wasn’t,
      the man who said elderly patients were being tested before returning to nursing homes,
      the man you gave his pub landlord a £1 million PPE contract, who gave a company an NHS
      contract that he and his family invested in.

      Are you feeling Scotland is safe in the hands of English Tory corruption and incompetence?

      Today Hand in till cock will again lie, focus on vaccination numbers, tell you it’s unprecedented,
      how he has been working very hard, how a big scientist told him and ran away.
      How we can’t look at these claims as we need to get the job done, it’s what the people want?

      The only reason these people can be in work is the brain washed voting zombies in the South.

    161. Robert Hughes says:

      Effigy . Sturgeon followed the exact same * strategy * , though , to be fair , the SNPG didn’t participate in the kind of outrageous Contracts for Chums as the Westminster Gov . Nonetheless , she , as usual , refused to take a truly independent approach other than in PR terms .

      It won’t matter a damn though , she has hoodwinked sufficient numbers of people in Scotland that she’ll sail through this as she’s done vis-a-vis the A Salmond attempted political assassination

    162. TonyN says:

      Apropos the politicisation of the justice system, we need a new blog titled:”Wigs over Scotland”

    163. Robert Hughes says:

      Tannadice Boy seems to have lost the plot , attacking his own side for …..well , not exactly sure why – having a conversation ?

      Red Card for the lad

    164. Dorothy Devine says:

      Just thought I’d cheer myself up.

      //youtu.be/ASdCqWbbj64

      Always thought that we needed a song and I still think this is a contender.

      Hope that works but if not it is Gerry Cinnamon singing Hope Over Fear in Freedom Square and it can be found on youtube.

    165. PaulaJ says:

      “If broadcasting was devolved I would imagine we would have an increase in participation.”

      Only if you completely replaced those who would likely remain in control of a devolved broadcaster. They are bought-and-paid-for and there are none with the skill or experience to replace them.
      Rather like the Woke-ists who currently infest the education system.

    166. PaulaJ says:

      “Wigs over Scotland”

      Excellent, TonyN.

    167. PaulaJ says:

      J.o.e says:
      “I think Scotland could be independent right now. It is perfectly viable. There will be a few years to a decade of undoing damage done by WM and ridiculous SNP but in the long run I see no problem.”

      Correct. All we need now is to have enough people agree. Judging by the result of the recent election, that’s not going to be a cake-walk.

    168. Republicofscotland says:

      So the Police Chief Constable in Scotland has come out and said that Police Scotland handled the RFC rioting violent mob in Glasgow well, really? Is that why the mob continued to run riot into the wee small hours of the morning.

      Of course, the fact that many Glasgow police stations are now not holding stations, but merely shells of police stations and with other being closed down altogether, then the chief Constable has no option but to say that Police Scotland did well.

      I’d imagine any other police chief would have been up in arms about the lack of holding cell facilities. Scotland’s Police Chief also said that there was no political pressure put on him with regards to the Kenmure street snatch and grabs by the Home Office. One wonders if the same could be said for the wrongful persecution of pro-indy bloggers such as Craig Murray, Mark Hirst, Stuart Campbell and of late David Llewellyn.

      The same Chief Constable, now wants 2,500 Police Scotland officers to be armed with tasers.

    169. Meg merrilees says:

      Crazycat @ 9.31

      Thanks for the tip. I usually make my flavoured drinks the cold way as you suggested but this recipe tickled my ‘fancy’.
      It has worked quite well although with the strawberries and the sugar it is a little bit oversweet. Quick end product!
      Loads of recipes online.

    170. MaggieC says:

      A great post from Barrhead Boy ,

      “ Set things in motion immediately or get out of the way and put someone else in charge that realises every day extra we spend in this Union Scottish lives are lost and valuable recovery time is wasted. “

      https://www.barrheadboy.com/another-nail-in-the-coffin/

    171. Dave Somerville says:

      It’s a fairly simple equation.

      If no one campaigns for a certain cause, then the interest in it dwindles.

      Between having an an imposter as our Indy leader and the restrictions Covid has put upon us, the numbers will inevitably drop.

      We are now slowly coming out the other side of Covid, which will let us start talking about issues other than Covid.

      It will also help us get the message across to the slow thinkers, that the person they voted into power has no intention of delivering Independence.

      And after watching that Hope Over Fear video, it just fuckin infuriates me all the more because of the wasted years Sturgeon reigned over.

      I fuckin detest that Bastard Sturgeon with a passion, and will never forgive her for the missed opportunity we had to become an independent nation.

      Rot in fuckin hell you evil Perverted Bastard Sturgeon.

    172. Socrates MacSporran says:

      I have no time for the Dreghorn Poison Dwarf (DPD). The quicker she is gone, the better for Scotland and the cause of Scottish Independence.

      However, watching FMQs this afternoon, it seems clear to me, she does not look well; she seems grey and tired and worn-down.

      A leader who has just won a General Election should be happier looking and more rosey-cheeked than the DPD.

    173. John Main says:

      Effigy

      Scottish health and social care policy and funding became devolved to the Scottish Parliament in 1999. I’ll do the math for you; that’s 22 years it has been the responsibility of Hollyrood. So anything that went wrong with Covid policy north of the border is the responsibility of the SNP.

      Why don’t you give the constant banging on about it being all the fault of the English Bastards Evil BoJo Thieving Tories a rest.

      It’s a hopeless peg to try to suspend Scottish Indy from. And one day BoJo will be history. What are you going to do then? Start over building your case from the beginning?

    174. Daisy Walker says:

      Republicofscotland says:
      27 May, 2021 at 10:53 am

      So the Police Chief Constable in Scotland has come out and said that Police Scotland handled the RFC rioting violent mob in Glasgow well, really? Is that why the mob continued to run riot into the wee small hours of the morning.’

      ROS – the real scandal of the Policing failure – was that given the previous Rangers event had set a standard – pre match Policing, that takes place behind the scenes and months before the match, should have gone into overdrive.

      There should have been a task team set up to issue tickets to the previous offenders, for Covid breaches, or at the very least warnings if they had intel (open source checks of social media accounts) of them misbehaving, failing to social distance, etc.

      The intel gathering should have contacted those who bought tickets in N. Ireland intending to travel over and made it clear – get a refund or get the jail.

      The planes and ships coming over from N Ireland – the supporters should have been coralled into a big room, watched the match on a big screen and then been escorted onto the first plane back – they never should have reached Glasgow.

      Same with the buses coming from outwith, with drunken fans.

      All of the above methods have been legitimately used before, even before Covid. It’s not new.

      But of course – all that kind of Policing (which is the most effective way of preventing this type of mass criminal behaviour) is behind the scenes – easy to short staff them, and no-one is any the wiser, it wouldn’t even show up on the books if its a ‘temporary secondment’ of staff to another department.

      Once you get pictures of rioters, throwing bottles at front line Police Officers, ‘bravely holding the thin blue line’, you end up looking anti law and order if you try to raise concerns about poor Policing tactics.

      Iain Livingston is presiding over the degradation of Policing Standards in Scotland. On his watch, and the buck stops with him.

    175. Dorothy Devine says:

      Scott , thank you – the very one and I was there!

    176. Republicofscotland says:

      Daisy Walker @ 12.59pm.

      Daisy re Police Scotland’s failure to prepare, and infact the machinations at Holyrood and Westminster, the real problem now, and its becoming far more common especially on the political scene, is that there’s no accountability anymore.

      Just about anything can happen, missing cash, lying in court, lying in general, and as Cummings pointed out the Spiderman meme, where everybody points the finger at everybody else but no one takes responsibility for their actions.

      The worst thing of all is that most folk either don’t care, or they are so used to it they see it as the norm, or they’re having to work extremely long hours just to make ends meet, that political machinations across the whole of the UK don’t even register with them in their busy lives.

    177. Republicofscotland says:

      Nuclear missiles in a convoy heading for Glasgow via M74, Saturday past.

      https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/video-shows-unmarked-military-nuclear-20689845

      What gutless bunch we Scots are, that we allow a foreign countries government to drive nuclear weapons through our largest city, we deserve all that’s coming to us.

    178. Don says:

      John Main 27 May, 2021 at 12:45 pm

      “Effigy, Scottish health and social care policy and funding became devolved to the Scottish Parliament in 1999. I’ll do the math for you; that’s 22 years it has been the responsibility of Hollyrood. So anything that went wrong with Covid policy north of the border is the responsibility of the SNP.

      Why don’t you give the constant banging on about it being all the fault of the English Bastards Evil BoJo Thieving Tories a rest.
      It’s a hopeless peg to try to suspend Scottish Indy from. And one day BoJo will be history. What are you going to do then? Start over building your case from the beginning ?”

      Well said John , i have tried often too to get these people to see the reality of GERS which also needs to be addressed, when the SNP have been changing GERS themselves since 2007 how much longer can they continue to bury their heads in the sand and just pretend those number the SNP has been changing for 14 years not matter ? The same numbers the SNP have been using to run Scotland for the last 14 years, yet the deluded prefer to live in their own invented worlds. https://webarchive.nrscotland.gov.uk/20191010063153/https://www2.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/GERS/Methodology

    179. Don says:

      @Socrates MacSporran 27 May, 2021 at 12:15 pm

      “I have no time for the Dreghorn Poison Dwarf (DPD). The quicker she is gone, the better for Scotland and the cause of Scottish Independence.

      However, watching FMQs this afternoon, it seems clear to me, she does not look well; she seems grey and tired and worn-down.

      A leader who has just won a General Election should be happier looking and more rosey-cheeked than the DPD.”

      Which General Election did she just win ? LOL Now a minority party being propped up by the Scot Greens https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-57259868?fbclid=IwAR1u8YJ8GnhTpivaZoBsxj-d1vO66lGFxUaQ_yu9RXXsdRk5_03JG6mEUA0

      Sorry for the source of this one but the DPD is looking grey and tired as she is being found out , lying continually does take its toll when trying to remember all the Lies you have previously told to different people to avoid trapping yourself.
      https://bit.ly/2QVJaH4

    180. Don says:

      @PaulaJ 27 May, 2021 at 10:41 am
      J.o.e says:
      “I think Scotland could be independent right now. It is perfectly viable. There will be a few years to a decade of undoing damage done by WM and ridiculous SNP but in the long run I see no problem.”

      Correct. All we need now is to have enough people agree. Judging by the result of the recent election, that’s not going to be a cake-walk.
      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
      Cake walk huh ? 🙂
      It wouldn’t have been a cake walk in 2014 and would be less of one now https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2021/02/04/indyref2-scottish-independence-would-be-2-3-times-more-costly-than-that-of-brexit-and-rejoining-the-eu-wouldnt-make-up-the-difference/

    181. Gordon Currie says:

      Don

      You’ll need to find a less foam-flecked article than that from Kevin Hague of “These Islands”.

      Look at their website, see Neil Oliver, and realise immediately what his agenda is.

    182. Dan says:

      GERS can’t tell us what an Independent Scotland would look like…

      https://indyposterboy.scot/3184/

    183. Captain Yossarian says:

      Pixywine – ‘Chinese State Media Is Now Attacking Anthony Fauci For His Comments On Covid-19 Origin Theory’ – from today’s US press.

      Your posting too often and that is impairing your judgement. Try and slow-down a bit.

      Google Anthony Fauci and you’ll find several news stories on this.

    184. Captain Yossarian says:

      Pixywine – “The outburst follows US President Joe Biden’s announcement on Wednesday that he has asked the “intelligence Community to redouble their efforts to collect and analyse information” about the origins of the Covid-19 virus, including whether it emerged from animals or from a laboratory accident.”

      Sounds like exactly what I said yesterday….Agreed? From today’s Independent.

    185. Republicofscotland says:

      “Cake walk huh ? ”

      Don.

      Posting a link to the London School of Economics on Scotland’s economy is a bit like asking Hillary Clinton if the Russians did it.

      Surely you boys at GCHQ and Denison came come up with better than that, Fleming and Reeve are slipping if you ask me.

      Oh and just incase you actually want the truth (which I doubt). Of course this is old news, Scots in the know are well aware, and your old shite is fooling no one.

      https://www.businessforscotland.com/scotlands-finances-the-truth/

      https://www.businessforscotland.com/scotlands-finances-the-truth/

    186. Republicofscotland says:

      Thank God those two cosseted parasites Willie and Kate are leaving Scotland, they’ve been prancing around Scotland for a few days now professing their pretendy love for Scotland sanctioned by auld Lizzie, in a pathetic attempt to love bomb us to stay in this rancid union.

    187. Breastplate says:

      Ffs Don,
      You’re like an octopus trying to hump some bagpipes.
      Let it go! You won’t convince anyone with your “Union is best” shite here.

    188. Don says:

      @Republicofscotland 27 May, 2021 at 4:32 pm

      Posting a link to the London School of Economics on Scotland’s economy is a bit like asking Hillary Clinton if the Russians did it.
      Oh and just incase you actually want the truth (which I doubt). Of course this is old news, Scots in the know are well aware, and your old shite is fooling no one.

      https://www.businessforscotland.com/scotlands-finances-the-truth/

      https://www.businessforscotland.com/scotlands-finances-the-truth/
      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

      “and your old shite is fooling no one.” then goes on to produce links to “Business for Scotland” completely fake invented propaganda from the SNP fake propaganda wing run by the roaster that is Gordon McIntyre Kemp who makes up the majority of Bus For Scotland shite stories himself , would anyone else here got the honestly to put this comedian right on Bus For Scotland invented garbage too ? 🙂 🙂 You people are completely clueless on anything truthful.

      Here is your worshipped propaganda writer Gordon McIntyre Kemp here getting ripped apart (again) https://bit.ly/3upHLGA

    189. Dan says:

      Don still punting the same old shite. It’s like grounhog day with him.
      The bottom line is Scotland’s resource to population figures are very healthy compared to England.

      The following figures are years old now so may require some slight adjustment to be 100% accurate.

      Scotland has only 8.3% of the UK’s population.
      But we DO have…
      32% of the land area.
      61% of the sea area.
      90% of the fresh water.
      65% of the natural gas production.
      96.5% of the crude oil production.
      47% of the open cast coal production
      81% of the untapped coal reserves
      62% of the timber production
      46% of the total forest area
      92% of the hydro electric production
      40% of the wind wave and solar energy production
      60% of the fish landings
      30% of the beef herd
      20% of the sheep herd
      9% of the dairy herd
      10% of the pig herd
      15% if the cereal holdings
      20% of the potato holdings
      70% of UK Gin production
      100% of the Scotch Whisky industry.

      Population growth disparity over the course of the the 300 year Union is proof of Westminster’s willful and continual political negligence in adhering to the the Treaty of Union principle that no constituent part of the UK should have an economic advantage over another.

      https://twitter.com/natyesregistry/status/1393505394660683776

      Jim Rogers discussing what happens if Scotland ends the Union.

      https://twitter.com/freethinker2030/status/1224038013409419265

    190. Dave Somerville says:

      Socrates MacSporran 12.15pm

      “However, watching FMQs this afternoon, it seems clear to me, she does not look well; she seems grey and tired and worn-down.”

      Socrates, that’s the best bit of news I’ve heard for weeks.

      Let’s hope it’s nothing trivial.

      Sturgeon could have sent an inoccent man to jail for many years, Mr Salmond could potentially have died in prison.

      So, there will be no sympathy from me for this evil piece of shit from Dreghorn.

      Rot in hell Sturgeon.

    191. Republicofscotland says:

      Don @5.42pm.

      Don.

      I haven’t laughed so much in ages, thanks man/woman (other) for that, Kevin Hague’s a unionist puppet who sells doggie biscuits, is your key evidence. This guy has been ridiculed from here to Timbuktu, by every real economist and his/her granny.

      Hague once tried to take on Richard Murphy a real economist, and like you and your 77th brigade buddies got his arse handed to him on a plate.

      I don’t even know why I’m replying to this utter pish that’s been debunked more times than the royal parasites have ponced off the state (well maybe not quite that much).

      Maybe I’m just having a good laugh at a wee shite like you, of whom I’ve encountered on indy blogs for years.

    192. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      It’s quite interesting, in a ‘social media’ kinda way.

      The new pages on WOS are now active for a week, ie, attracting new comments during that time.

      The garbage comments repeated by certain commenters become more obvious, as instead of being spread over 3 or 4 pages, they’re all on the same page.

      I’m nodding in the direction of you, Don. Compared to Sensibledave, as a right winger (and unionist?) you are a rank amateur.

    193. Effigy says:

      12.45

      Yes I blame the Tory Party and the voters in the country who continually puts
      them in power to rob from the plebs and give to the rich.

      They have the fiscal levers that had mounted up £2.5 Trillion of debt pre Covid.
      They controlled. Scotland’s borders and kept them open while refusing our request
      for lockdown.

      Yes Scotland has had the run of our NHS these last 15 years after Labour had run it down.
      We can’t spend what we would like on it as Westminster gives us only some of our money back.
      Through all that Scotland has the best performing NHS year after year even with our remote regions
      and islands and a poor relationship with drink and diet.

      We also have free prescriptions unlike England and free personal care.

      Pro rata on Covid deaths England are around 45% worse off.

      Yes, Boris won’t be around forever but he replaced vile party leaders like Thatcher and Ian Duncan
      Discredit. Waiting in the wings is loathsome liars like Gove.

      In 70 years Scots have never given the Tories a majority and yet most of
      our lives have been spent under their boot.

      They are the party of the Vow, Brexit and complete mishandling of the Covid crisis.

    194. stonefree says:

      @ Dave Somerville at 6:20 pm
      and
      @ Socrates MacSporran at 12.15pm

      I think the phrase is Rough as a Badger’s

      I like to consider it Karma

      Bugger I’ve lost my Mala Beads

    195. wee monkey says:

      Whats 92% of 0?

    196. J.o.e says:

      @Paula J

      That will require advocates of Scottish independence to get on a level with Scottish people and not on the level of students and leftist activists.

      A look through Indy social media is mostly embarrassing.

      There is no inspiration, encouragement or real world progress coming from that quarter.

      While we are being conned into our people taking experimental substances based on fraudulent statistics the Indy crowd are arguing about how in LGBT the T are infringing on the L and the G is being forgotten while the B still doesn’t know what it wants as usual.

      And that is not even the ‘woke’ ones.

      It’s less than uninspiring – its self defeating.

    197. wee monkey says:

      Effigy says:
      27 May, 2021 at 7:45 pm
      12.45

      Yes I blame the Tory Party and the voters in the country
      They are the party of the Vow, Brexit and complete mishandling of the Covid crisis.

      ____

      “Concerned health bosses have issued a plea for help from the people of Dundee, following a significant increase in the number of cases of COVID-19 in the city.

      The B.1.617 variant first identified in India is now circulating in Tayside and positive cases have increased by 186 in the last seven days.

      Statistics show on May 19 there were only three cases reported, meaning there has been a ten-fold rise in a week and rates in Dundee are sitting above the Scottish average. ”

      https://wpcluster.dctdigital.com/thecourier/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2021/05/DCT-KE-050521-01-006_38850682-e1622037393423-1-940×564.jpg

    198. Balaaargh says:

      https://archive.is/1vjPT

      Now what could Brown be talking about with the Strathearns?

    199. Captain Yossarian says:

      pixywine – The Spectator has a headline tonight on the increasing probability that Covid escaped from the Wuhan Lab. It seems everyone in mainland Scotland knows all about this, except you.

    200. Hugh Jarse says:

      Balaaargh.
      Jim ‘l fix it memories ?

    201. J.o.e says:

      @Captain Yossarian

      I wonder how they will square it with the covid found in samples of sewage water in Barcelona from spring in 2019 and in sewage water samples from a Brazilian city from November 2019?

      The case for the use of PCR being fraudulent is growing strong and is the 1st stage of litigation has begun.

      Im sure we will all be very distracted by how evil, nasty and incompetent the Chinese are in the coming weeks and months from mainstream sources who really only ever run cover for authorities

    202. Big Jock says:

      Republic – Regarding the Royals visit.

      Have you noticed that the save the union campaign is in full flight. Yet not a peep from Sturgeon. The Tories seem to be fighting in a battle where the Scots haven’t even turned up.

      Indeed Sturgeon was actually pictured fawning over the two parasites. They seem to care more about the union than Sturgeon cares about independence.

      Angus McNeil was on RT. He said the word on the street from Tory HQ. Was that they were shocked that nothing happened after the election. They had expected an assault of indy ref2 demands.

      None of us were shocked. We knew Sturgeon was a fake. Seems the Tories are now catching onto this as well.

      Nicola looks really weak now. The Tories know this.

    203. Breeks says:

      Big Jock says:
      28 May, 2021 at 6:47 am

      None of us were shocked. We knew Sturgeon was a fake. Seems the Tories are now catching onto this as well.

      Nicola looks really weak now. The Tories know this.

      Where has she to go? She squandered Brexit, not even discussing Indy throughout those critical eighteen months, she stitched up Alex Salmond, she replaced Independentists with gendertossers, sacked and disparaged Joanna Cherry, alienated the YES community, vilified bloggers, squanders mandate after mandate, misappropriates £600k IndyRef fighting fund, spits in the eye of the ALBA party which presents her with a shot at a pro Independence supermajority, she lies of pleads amnesia to obfuscate her backstabbing tendencies.

      Riding high on those disgraces, it will be fascinating to see how the toxic failure now plans to build momentum for Independence. She has painted herself into so many corners even a movie blue screen couldn’t decipher the sense of it.

      How do light a campfire when you’ve just pissed all over it?

      Scottish Independence is suffocating with it’s head inside a plastic bag until the useless *#%! is gone.

    204. Socrates MacSporran says:

      Just spotted what could well be one of the seminal Scottish political quotes of the next few years:

      “Unfortunately, though, a suspicion is beginning to grow that the SNP plan to deal with the ‘once in a generation’ jibe by actually waiting for a generation.”

      Kenny McAskill, writing in The Scotsman. I think that one is a keeper.

    205. Stuart MacKay says:

      Jeggit’s latest post which if I read it correctly means he’s taking a back seat for a while has me thinking that we’re fighting the wrong battle.

      The inability to move the needle regarding independence is the same inability to effect change with one of the more grievous injustices – shooting eagles and hen harriers so rich people can shoot grouse.

      I know that’s not exactly a comparison of issues of equal importance but they suffer from the same set of problems. No amount of campaigning and no amount of highlighting criminality, etc. makes the slightest bit of difference. Why is that?

      The quick and easy answer for me is that the institutions we grew up with and to a certain extent had some faith in, despite our ignorance of the reality, have rotted into something unpleasant. Acting with impunity is the new normal and we’re all suffering the consequences.

      So what to do? More of the same is a waste of time. There’s something in the idea that there can’t be progress until the politics change. The left/right spectrum is dead. Now there are only the have’s and the have not’s, the cans and the no, you can’ts. I think Breeks said that something worthwhile could be built with Alba. I think that’s right but I can’t think what that would be other than it can’t be anything we’ve seen already – SNP Mk II is definitely a no-no.

    206. Breeks says:

      https://randompublicjournal.com/2021/05/27/our-struggle/

      The Jeggit blog Stuart MacKay referred to…

      The one great caveat to this great slow down in the Independence struggle, a caveat in the sense that it is otherwise dismally bleak across all fronts, is the stark but frightening possibility that the only thing worse than Backstabber Sturgeon not running an IndyRef campaign, might actually be Backstabber Sturgeon trying to run one. Be careful what you wish for…

      Perhaps a few months trying to nourish green shoots in the sterile, harsh winter apocalypse their beloved Ice Queen has created will focus a few minds in the SNP… if there are any true believers left with minds there to focus.

    207. John McNab says:

      This, from yet another of the increasingly deranged cadre of “Scottish nationalists”, who posts under the name of ‘Effigy’:

      “In 70 years Scots have never given the Tories a majority and yet most of our lives have been spent under their boot.”

      Historically illiterate rubbish! It was your white nationalist rabble that enabled the election of the Thatcher government and eighteen years of successive Tory governance, culminating in John Major and his acquiescence to what became the EU. Entirely to your supranationalist taste of course…

    208. Dan says:

      @ Breeks at 7.40am

      Aye, that short summary is how I see things too.
      I also just don’t see how all her decisions and actions which have led us into this ridiculous situation could ever be put down to anything other than being deliberate.
      This isn’t some sole novice politician making the odd error, this is someone that has spent decades in politics, and also has advisors who will have gamed things out. There is no way they could fuck up as much as they have by accident or without intent.
      It’s an absolute disgrace that at this critical time for Scotland her and her cabal are pushing unmandated highly emotive and divisive policies that the electorate either don’t want or haven’t been made properly aware of the realities of what they entail.
      She is no democrat, because if she was she would put these matters to the people in a referendum.
      After all, what was the point of passing the referendum bill if it wasn’t to be utilised as a mechanism to garner the electorate’s views with regard to the implementation of certain policies.

      Take a quick look around the feeds of various “pro-Indy” politicians and all you generally see is them continuing to whine and have grievance with Westminster about immigration, or the negative implications leaving the European market is having on our various industries.
      The longer they spend whining, the more time it gives Westminster to negotiate our assets away in new trade deals, which will mean divergence from EU standards, thus making it all the more difficult for us to repair and realign with those standards as and when and if Scotland gets in a position to rejoin Europe in some capacity.

      As for the future. How will the Council Elections play out next year with the Single Transferable Vote system when 1.1 million SNP supporters followed the Party line and gave their Regional List votes to the Party to gain just 2 seats, with those seats being filled by a pair of Emmas that manipulated the ranking order by Self IDing as disabled to gain advantage. (I thought there may be legal challenge arising from that situation)
      The day before the Holyrood election She / Her / stated she would work with Labour, but her actions showed she wouldn’t entertain working with Alba.
      So will how will the SNP spin that voting message next year.

      https://archive.is/2DZTX

    209. oneliner says:

      @John McNab

      It doesn’t suit your narrative of grievance, but Thatcher’s government arrived because Labour didn’t put a Whip on the vote.

      The usual suspects couldn’t be arsed getting out of the HOC bar. Why don’t you scream at the ‘Red Wall’ turncoats? Surely they must fit your definition of ‘deranged cadre.’

    210. Ruby says:

      https://www.rt.com/shows/alex-salmond-show/524831-political-future-uk-four-component-nations/

      FF to 7.44 to hear Clare Fox’s views on IndyRef2

      Surprised how defence Tories & Labour are re IR2
      Tories simply won’t afford a referendum they just wont give one.
      Nicola Sturgeon made in clear in Holyrood election that you were not voting for a referendum
      Ambivalent that the demand for a referendum was contained in that vote.

    211. John McNab says:

      Oneliner, the Thatcher government arrived, because the 11 (certainly not the first eleven) SNP delegates put up a vote of no confidence in the Callaghan Govt., which the Tories – then in opposition – piggybacked, in the knowledge theirs would become the substantive proposal, and being the SNP, with the political and strategic nous of a duck, which they exhibit to this day, allowed the Thatcher juggernaut to roll over them.

      The ‘big boy did it and ran away’ defence trotted out by “Scottish Nationalists” has had its day. Give it a rest. Please.

      Interesting that you view anyone who doesn’t vote in the way you approve of is dismissed as a turncoat. Doesn’t bode well for our country’s future.

    212. Don says:

      Stuart MacKay @ 28 May, 2021 at 8:57 am

      “The inability to move the needle regarding independence is the same inability to effect change with one of the more grievous injustices – shooting eagles and hen harriers so rich people can shoot grouse.

      I know that’s not exactly a comparison of issues of equal importance …”

      It’s not a comparison of any importance , the people who shoot Grouse (not necessarily rich people either)are not the people shooting Eagles and Hen Harriers nor people who would do such things themselves but the actions on lone rogue Gamekeepers who also do such things not on orders of their employers but to make their own jobs easier trying to raise the number of Game birds on their patch to make themselves look good for less work involved by not having to complete with Birds of Prey. Our own Scottish Government has effective law to combat that , the issue is in just trying to catch the people involved when wild birds can fly over such a large areas and poisoned Birds can be easily disposed of if found before the authorities find them first.

    213. Ruby says:

      at 19.47

      Angus Brendan MacNeil MP:

      Tories at Westminster surprised by silence from North of the Border.

    214. Breastplate says:

      John McNab,
      Callaghan blamed his own party and I agree with him.

      If they could do it all once more, the Tories would do the same thing again, the SNP would do the same thing again and I think you will find that it would be the Labour Party that would like to have made different decisions.

      I would suggest that is because it’s their own fault but It’s handy to have a scapegoat nevertheless.

    215. Ruby says:

      oneliner says:
      28 May, 2021 at 9:48 am
      @John McNab

      It doesn’t suit your narrative of grievance, but Thatcher’s government arrived because Labour didn’t put a Whip on the vote.

      Reply

      What are you trying to achieve by responding to John McNab?
      Same question for those responding to Don.

      It’s a serious question!

    216. John McNab says:

      Ruby, perhaps he or she is responding because he or she (or they) is polite and interested in the exchange of ideas, discourse and nuance? Unlike the one track echo chamber most of your ilk hereon seem to inhabit.

    217. John McNab says:

      Breastplate,

      “Callaghan blamed his own party and I agree with him.” Spot on! I subscribe to that facet of the situation as well. A moment of political self-awareness which is all too rare, if not almost entirely absent nowadays.

    218. Ruby says:

      This issue of the SNP letting Thatcher in has been done to death since 2012.

      What’s the purpose of regurgitating all of that again here today?

    219. Ruby says:

      John McNab says:
      28 May, 2021 at 10:45 am
      Ruby, perhaps he or she is responding because he or she (or they) is polite and interested in the exchange of ideas, discourse and nuance? Unlike the one track echo chamber most of your ilk hereon seem to inhabit.

      Reply

      That’s fair enough if you want to discuss the same thing over and over and over and over and over again.

      My question was why do they want to respond. What is it they are trying to achieve.

      Reading the same thing over and over and over and over and over again is boring.

      Could it be the aim is to ensure this blog completely grinds to a halt?

      What is it your are trying to achieve John McNab?

    220. Ruby says:

      John McNab says:
      28 May, 2021 at 10:45 am
      Unlike the one track echo chamber most of your ilk hereon seem to inhabit.

      Reply

      Why would you want to respond to someone so rude and abusive?

    221. Don says:

      Terrible crimes for a Woman to commit don’t you think ?
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-57157604

    222. Don says:

      @Ruby 28 May, 2021 at 10:30 am at 19.47

      “Angus Brendan MacNeil MP:
      Tories at Westminster surprised by silence from North of the Border.”

      Is that the same Angus Brendan MacNeil who promoted Alba but is now happy to obey Sturgeon when she calls him to heel ?

    223. John McNab says:

      Ruby,

      “This issue of the SNP letting Thatcher in has been done to death since 2012.”

      Bit like Indyref2 then, innit?

    224. Contrary says:

      Dan at 9.40pm,

      Aha, you’ve just reminded me – we need to start promoting the ‘vote til you boke’ mantra for the council elections – It’s so counterintuitive that it needs drummed in – we should have practice papers for it so people are inured to putting a number against a Tory, or an ahem SNP candidate.

      In the single transferrable voting system, the only-SNP voters can leave Alba boxes empty (or ISP, or whatever non-Scientology-style party that supports independence of preference) and it won’t work against Alba – while all the reasonable independence supporting voters can rank SNP bottom, and those last places will be recorded and will affect the SNP vote. Effectively, if you leave a blank space against a name, your vote is discounted and doesn’t factor into the proportionality of their vote, whilst if you stick a nice high number against their name it drops their vote share proportionally. So, if a candidate gets two 2’s and one blank, only the two 2s count; if they got two 2’s and a 7, that 7th place vote waters down the two 2nd place votes. Vote til you boke.

      Of course if the SNP1&2 folk turn out to be less thick than we think, or just happen to be particularly malicious, they might follow suit. You can’t vote tactically with STV, a party can just stand as many candidates as possible, and voters make sure they rank every candidate (even if it has to be SNP 3).



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