The road already travelled
There’s a good column by Kevin McKenna in today’s Herald On Sunday about Boris Johnson, from which this paragraph in particular jumped out at us.
It did so because of something else we’d just read this weekend.
In a week in which the UK government blithely announced that breaking the law was fine as long as you did it in a “specific and limited way”, we also discovered that the Scottish Government has quietly changed the meaning of the word “heterosexual” as well as the meaning of the word “woman” and the number of human sexes.
Both the UK and Scottish governments are currently deploying, in different but related ways, what we know from history are the tactics of fascism (accompanied in one of the two cases by a worryingly familiar willingness to redefine fundamental human biology for entirely political reasons, and “re-educate” the public to accept the new version).
If only there’d been some sort of lesson we could have learned from past events about the importance of fighting those before it became too late, eh?
Listening to BBC Radio 6 the other day there was a segment about indy record labels and their inability to project new acts in a time when no gigs are permitted. One interviewee was the founder of a label which promotes “minority genders” – dearie me!
Spotted this headline in ‘The Register’:
‘NASA is sending two small hand-luggage suitcase-sized spacecraft to study binary asteroids in 2022’
No doubt there be some in Holyrood that claim asteroids are not binary but are part of a full spectrum of cosmic phenomenon.
jfngw @12:46 pm
You mean there are no Lady Astor-oids?
Yup Stu disturbingly like fascism, also if you want one thing (independence) you’re gonna have to accept xyz (hate crime, genderwoowoo etc), just like if you want to make Germany great again you have to accept the Gestapo.
Night and Fog is next in the playbook
@kapelmeister
I don’t know, but haemorrhoids are definitely non binary as my ten are all of a different spectrum. Maybe that’s what’s confusing the politicians.
[…] Wings Over Scotland The road already travelled There’s a good column by Kevin McKenna in today’s Herald On Sunday about Boris […]
As a biological scientist the conflation of sex & gender has gradually made my blood boil more and more. In applying for things on the equalities form if it asks me what my gender is I choose (Decline to Answer) or equivalent. Both because I do not have a gender as indicated often later in the same form when I’m asked if I’m heterosexual, etc. They mean gender to mean sex but it doesn’t.
This is my personal, scientific protest against this new gender orthodoxy. If you want to know what sex i am then bloody well ask me and i will answer. Otherwise I shall decline to do so.
I’m waiting to see the census form to decide what I do there.
Stu
Chrome: “This site can’t be reached wingsoverscotland.com’s server IP address could not be found”
Can only see your site using Epic privacy browser.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
I think all of us reading this are aware of our need to “do” something. But what? We need independence more urgently than ever to address the most immediate fascism, yet the SNP’s actions on GRA and Hate Crime drive me every day to despair and political homelessness. May is still 8 months away and me just battering away on a keyboard, venting onto Twitter etc, feels like pissing in the wind.
The fact that both govts have chosen to act opportunistically during the pandemic is manipulative politics of the worst kind. We know we need to be on the streets, and at any other time I believe we would be, only Covid restrictions keep us suppressed.
I honestly despise both Tories AND SNP right now.
@kapelmeister
No they mean rocky vs icy asteroids or it could mean metal asteroids vs others. Those are about the only sets of criteria which would make sense. Size is pretty much a continuum for eg. Albedo ditto.
The “philologist” mentioned in the quoted passage was probably Victor Klemperer, whose Lingua Tertii Imperii (Language of the Third Reich)(Bloomsbury 2013) provides useful analogies to the perversions of language, inflicted on us by “the virus”, attuning us to becoming willingly unfree “biosecurity threats”. Rev Stu, I’m continually amazed by your stamina and clear thinking!
There is a great deal of corporate money involved in transgender ops, and (even more so thereafter) a lifetime of meds.
The astro turf campaigning and extremely capable / well funded PR – all singing from the same hymn sheet of tactics (legitimate and / or intimidating) on an international scale, all at the same time.
That takes not just funding, but corporate backing, resources and planning.
I don’t doubt that some who push this agenda, genuinely believe. But I think it unlikely that others, are not going to get some wealth / career reward for their efforts, and are entirely corrupt on this issue.
Since it is such a global push – Westminster’s dilemma will be how to weaponise it against the SNP come election time, in such a way that does not damage their requirement to push it on the English soon after.
Sadly – it is such a badly written law – it will lead to an increase in sex crimes against women and children, and thereafter a backlash against transgender people themselves.
With regards Mr McKenna’s comments about us getting de-scensitised to Boris activities – we offer the people of Scotland respite, an island of sanity…
We Can Do So Much Better Than Boris, Believe In Scotland, Believe In You.
One of the most effective behavioural control/modification tools is to make people believe that it is impermissible to compare ANYTHING EVER to certain conduct of the rulers of European countries leading up to and during WWII.
Pure genius: “You can’t draw comparisons between us and the people who did other things using the same tricks we’re using because then….., well you just can’t. So shut up.”
Noo I’m being telt that I never funcied the quines I went oot wi’ or the quine I mairried.
Despite our dislike of the Hate Crime and GRA bills, these are small fry compared to where the Tories are taking us with there ‘National Capitalism’. There is very little difference in the end game between what they want and the direction Germany was headed in the thirties. An Anschluss where the other countries are snuffed out just leaving greater England.
You may not have to worry soon about Holyrood passing these bills, it won’t have the power to anything if they have their way. Any bill can be overturned but it is much harder to gain independence once you have been subsumed, and time is getting short.
Milady @ 1:04
You say: “We know we need to be on the streets, and at any other time I believe we would be, only Covid restrictions keep us suppressed.”
Yes – they do keep you suppressed. Isn’t that handy?
The article could easily be read to warn about exactly what this whole current fear event is doing.
I’m in Australia, and the fiercely violent govt/police reaction to the peaceful (safely conforming to “rules” about masks etc…) protests in Melbourne are terrifying. Our media is 100% on board while genuine Australians who just might save us from what they are planning as “the new normal” are doing exactly what we all thought the German people of the 1930’s should have done….if they were “decent”, as we always used to believe we were.
Why is Sturgeon not at least giving her SNP membership an update on the Party’s views on Scottish Independence?
Sturgeon admits she can only deal with one issue at a time, yet Johnson can deal with multiple issues at any one time.
He is dealing with Covid-19, Brexit, breaking international laws, pulling out of international conventions, pushing through new laws that will all but make Holyrood powerless,,,yet our Snow flake First Minister says she has no time to push back against Johnson, because she is up to her neck in fighting this evil virus and making sure no more than six people are in one house at a time.
MEANWHILE,,, SCOTLAND BURNS.
Now howz this for thinking outside the box Nicola, why not appoint a Health Minister to oversee the Covid19 crisis, and you tackle Johnson head on?
Milady says:
13 September, 2020 at 1:04 pm
I think all of us reading this are aware of our need to “do” something. But what? We need independence more urgently than ever to address the most immediate fascism, yet the SNP’s actions on GRA and Hate Crime drive me every day to despair and political homelessness. May is still 8 months away and me just battering away on a keyboard, venting onto Twitter etc, feels like pissing in the wind.
Firstly don’t despair, there are people out there – former No Voters – and they are looking at the Yessers now, with a view to sidling up and asking a few pertinent questions.
Be a rock for them, they need you, we need them and we all need to pull together to save our country.
Second of all – a leader would be nice, but is not essential. But we do need a rough road map, and a rough plan.
So here it is.
We get support for Indy over 60% by years end.
A we do that with leaflets, with posters, with posters on T shirts, with off the cuff remarks about ‘we can do so much better than Boris’ About how we need to do this to save our NHS, our farmers and fishing and our food standards, and and, and.
In the process of campaigning to get Yes over 60% before years end, we identify electable candidates in our own areas. They are our back up – against the SNP if the SNP remains lost.
Once indy support is over 60% NS and co will have no legitimate argument to say ‘Scotland isn’t ready’.
The SNP will have between January – February to apply for and get a reply on S30 once and for all. A no reply is deemed to be a NO.
Inaction by the SNP in these circumstances, will be the death of the SNP.
In that time, we fund raise an election campaign fund – for candidates who will stand for Holyrood as a plebiscite election for Indy, and who do not support the pushing at this time of GRA, or Hate Crime Bill. Indy First.
If, the SNP put up, they can be granted some of this money on a candidate by candidate basis. If not, the local hero’s identified before hand, step up to the mark and put themselves up for election.
Is there enough time to do this – yes. Is there enough know how. Yes. Will it be accused of ‘splitting the yes movement’ by those who cannot see past NS – more than likely.
But even they cannot, absolutely cannot, decry getting support for Indy over 60%. Truly something worthwhile to keep us all occupied.
And remember, its such a simple, undeniable truth – We Can Do So Much Better Than Boris.
susanXX – ” if you want to make Germany great again you have to accept the Gestapo.”. Genius. Exactly what the SNP are up to.
We need to know which prospective SNP candidates are woke. angus macleod needs to be gone by november.
I suppose there is the point is Wings being send spinning into a corner worrying about gender rather than independence??
Just asking
I worry more at Labour and Conservatives not kicking balls into the open goal – if you pardon the phrase
It’s beyond time for Sturgeon and her science-denying cronies to go. That there is no alternative at all (never mind a credible one) to the SNP, shows the cancerous state of Scottish politics.
Daisy Walker says
I wonder why staunch unionists are not protesting at N Ireland being broken away from the UK
Will Rangers and Celtic fans coming over for football be subject to checks at the border??
Daisy Walker
I thought you have been outside campaigning to get us above 60%.
But here you are, wasting valuable time sitting in front of a computer.
Or were you just suggesting some other idiot went out campaigning in all sorts of weather, while you sit on your arse playing with your computer???
Are you just s big mouthed hypocrite???
Another one of Nicola’s Roadies???
I feel exactly as you do Milady!
Great post DaisyWalker @ 1:30.
This must qualify as the greatest binary con of them all: on the one hand, we have the UKG breaching international law all over the place and believing that domestic legislation entitles them to do so (domestic law cannot supersede international law, only break it) and, on the other, we have the SG redefining women and biological science, while ignoring the fact or refusing to act on the fact, that we are being swallowed alive and whole. Never mind, eh?
We can all prance around in baby’s disposable nappies and tell ourselves we’re free. Pity they don’t make disposable bras for babies, then everyone who is a woman, whether or not they have boobs, could prance around in the whole ensemble. Well, we are free of cogent thought, free of sense and scientific awareness, and, certainly, free of moral fibre, aka a spine, so it’s how you tell ’em, really.
Ian Blackford’s lamentable performance on Politics Scotland this morning (Sunday) was spectacularly inane. They are breaking the devolution settlement, he bleated, rather like a very large and trapped sheep, that had never heard of the word, independence. Yes, Ian, and what the feck are you and your party going to do about it, apart from bleat and do nothing while we sink deeper and deeper into the doo-doo created by your party’s ‘wokerati’ allied to Johnson and Cummings in a danse macabre, rather like the Weimar cabaret movement that just refused to see what was coming, even when its proponents were some of the first victims?
I tried to get to grips with creeping fascism in the UK and our own party two years ago, summarily smeared by its adherents for my effort.
“Fascist – Us and Them: link to wp.me
In denying the biological differences between males and females, Scots law is being forces to detach itself from moral reason. All legal systems must respect a foundational moral theory, in order to be universal and impartial. Democracy and universal human rights are not possible if you deny a legal respect for biology and the human genome, which along with Natural law, provide the foundations of international human rights law.
Convention for the protection of Human Rights and Dignity of the Human Being with regard to the Application of Biology and Medicine: Convention on Human Rights and Biomedicine
link to coe.int
Funny that these SNP woke folk aren’t so keen on saying that the independence movement is a spectrum. It’s ‘obey Queen Nikki or else you’re a rascal’.
For the last time, these GRA proposals are as far from woke as it gets, as they provide the foundations for a totalitarian state, rather than empowering women and the politically marginalised.
One of the things I remember reading that has stuck with me in Albert Camus’ study of political philosophy, ‘The Rebel’, was that the only political philosophy held by the national socialists was that of ‘action’. This of course, rings a bell.
Well said Stu re creeping fascism.
Sturgeon is apparently too busy with Covid, being unable or unwilling to delegate and give her attention to other important issues.
*Women are well known as multitaskers and are skilled at delegating tasks* hmm?
And yet, she’s still tweeting her book reviews… l don’t get it.
Unless there’s a hidden meaning in the books reviewed? Surely not though – only a narcissist would do that
Remember folks, I’ve not looked at this stuff in nearly thirty years, yet I appear to be more capable than our lawmakers, of defending Scotland’s democracy from constitutional abuse. That is truly terrifying.
PUBLIC INTEREST LAW JOURNAL [Vol. 13, 2003]
BIOLOGICAL BASIS OF HUMAN RIGHTS
link to biologyoflaw.org
From my blog today, some comments about the fait accompli which I think may be relevant.
“Opportunists and the politically adroit alike seize opportunities. And Brexit was pregnant with opportunities for those intent upon reshaping nations. Or destroying them.
If theses forces have a mission statement it might well be ‘Just do it!’. Whatever it is that needs to be done to achieve an objective or to progress a project or to recover from a setback, just do it! Don’t get hung up on legal niceties and political calculations, just fucking do it!
Do whatever it takes. Use the power of the fait accompli. Just do it because once it is done it almost certainly can’t be undone because doing it changes the ground rules. Don’t think like hyper-cautious lawyers and vacillating politicians. Think like engineers! Engineers who are dismantling an existing structure in order to build something new – keeping only the old foundations and the basic skeleton. Stripping away the facade and ripping out the interior so as to construct a new reality around the framework of the old order. Re-purposing the ancient framework of British power, privilege and patronage to assist in the re-engineering of the British state.”
I’d like to believe our direction of travel is down to ignorance, but I can’t. It is the result of legal parochialism and the latent misogyny of the law.
Does the blame for this drive towards totalitarianism not rest with the Lord Advocate?
Women’s Rights Guide
link to hls.harvard.edu
George Galloway
Yes the arch bufoon has a new master plan to save the union, basically he wants all the seats to be contested by a unionist and an SNP candidate
Yes this lickspittle of a scotsman is coming to bore us all again with his waffle and piffle, and the funniest thing about his party, he has joined in an alliance with a tory intransigent twat to help him, as they say, you couldn’t make it up
Independence is there for the taking, and with Leonard the yorkshire puddin still there its guaranteed
To the Tory Fascist Party and the Woke SNP members-
URANUS!
You have left the planet and good luck up your new home.
Sturgeon appears to be extremely sympathetic to the LGBTI+ community, which is fine, but you cannot then decide to change the fundamentals of biology as to more than two different sexes. Simply changing the wording doesn’t alter the facts, however the danger lies in when it is then put into law, and people then are financially punished or even imprisoned for speaking out against it.
Its a very dangerous path for Sturgeon and the SNP for that matter to tread.
The practice of Scots law is not only parochial in relation to international law, denying biological reality prevents the potential for a coherent policy framework. The GRA proposals support a legal parochialism between policy fields and legal interest. So the Scottish government is destroying the potential for justice and democracy.
Is the Lord Advocate not responsible for this?
The Law and Economics of Legal Parochialism
link to core.ac.uk
‘People who menstruate’ 2.0
This reminds me of various shops and outlets attempting to introduce Adult themed clothes into children’s clothing ranges , the people who picked up this growing trend pointed out it’s a never ending fight to curtail the dubious company’s and individuals constantly push push pushing and wanting to turn children into adults with the introduction of makeup to children and watching until the parents were distracted , the same methods are being used , maybe it’s time Adults stepped in and stopped it once and for all , f/k this being nice and understanding this lot don’t give up , maybe it’s time the Adults took a stand and said that’s it all you twisted f/in Woke fkrs you made the mistake of Waking up the bloody Adults , before no one was probably interested and you were allowed to beaver away out of sight , I believe that’s changed and the ones inside the SNP either stop it or the members will stop you if they don’t the Electorate will stop the SNP it’s your choice .
Do you feel lucky ?
I am seriously considering standing as a candidate, as ” an Indy for Indy” in Mays election.I’m fed up bumping my gums about the rubbish SNP, time to put my money where my mouth is.
Time to make a stand and give the other browned off voters a chance to back someone who will fight tooth and nail to force the SNP to show some intention of, at least, going for Indy ref2.
CameronB Brodie says:
13 September, 2020 at 2:05 pm
“… For the last time, these GRA proposals are as far from woke as it gets, as they provide the foundations for a totalitarian state, rather than empowering women and the politically marginalised… ”
Yes, you are right, of course, Cameron. I always put ‘wokerati’ or ‘woke’, in reference to this phenomenon, in inverted commas so as not to mistake it for genuine ‘woke’ issues, which originated with the black civil rights movement.
Peter A. Bell: Peter, in relation to ‘Just do it”, I have read of very few – none, might be nearer the mark – who want independence at the cost of democracy. The point that has to be made is that there are several democratic routes to democracy, not just a second indyref. If this latest debacle has shown anything, it is that international law, which also governs the Treaty of Union, cannot simply be set aside without consequences.
The difference and gulf between independistas saying, just do it, hen we are talking to a foot-dragging SG that puts everything before independence and has been moving at a glacial pace when there is no need for it at all, and the Brexiteers saying, just do it, when they are talking to a right-wing, pro fascist, Tory government that is hell-bent on an ultra right nationalistic approach to the UK and the outside world, is as wide as the distance between the Earth and the Sun.
The UKG at least recognizes that international law exists, whilst being willing to breach it; the SG does not even recognize it in the independence context. Sorry, but there is little similarity, and the real madness now, lies in insisting on a second indyref instead of exploring these other equally democratic routes. The other factor, of course, is time, which we simply do not have now, to ‘persuade’ the ‘unpersuadable’, a factor also recognized in international law under the heading: colonialism.
The SNP and Johnson governments certainly are installing a fascist authoritarian state. During this covid “crisis” we have seen the most unprecedented assault on our democracy and personal libterties in history. Laws such as the “rule of six” and the mandatory mask wearing were made by decree without so much as a single debate or vote in either parliament, and that is not even mentioning nicolas suspension of FOI and all elections. Unfortunately this has been largely welcomed by a fear stricken public.
Nicola sturgeon even said recently on her semi-regular appearance on GMB that we will never go back to the “old normal”. Better get used to the Scottish government micromanaging every aspect of your lives.
Lorna Campbel
Thanks for discriminating between fact and fiction. 😉
A Practitioner’s Toolkit on Women’s Access to Justice Programming
MODULE 1:
The Theory and Practice of
Women’s Access to Justice Programming
link to ohchr.org
You have one choice and one choice only and you know it, and all your greeting and girning will not change that choice and you know it
So you can be sensible and vote SNP and you know it
Like most on here I never read 99% of what’s posted, same old stuff, its like groundhog day meets the magic roundabout, in fact zebeedee is more interesting than most of the dross that passes for intelligent debate
Have a nice day
@Daisy Walker
One of those No voters sidled up to me the-other-day and pertinently inquired what the currency will be after independence. No-capture, for very obvious reasons, was the result of that little discussion.
bipod
Our principle moral obligation to ourselves and other, is to maintain our biological integrity, a.k.a. our health. This helps us to avoid becoming a burden on society, and enables us to help others.
It is clear to me that you have little appreciation of moral theory or the law, and thet your principle aim is to support your ideological outlook. Are you the Lord Advocate?
Journal of Moral Education, Volume 49, 2020 – Issue 3: Self-Determination Theory, Morality, and Education
Consistency and moral integrity: A self-determination theory perspective
link to tandfonline.com
As to the definition of “heterosexual”, what the fuck are they playing at? The definition given in the Oxford Dictionary is “sexually attracted to the opposite sex”. How are they going to define “homosexual”?
Piece of advice folks. Keep a copy of the Oxford Dictionary to hand, so when the Thought Police turn up at your door you can quote it when challenged.
It reminds me of the book “A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich”, where Shukov is told that if the sun is at it’s peak then it is noon, because of a Soviet Decree. That seems to be where we are going.
Oops, one o’clock, not noon. That’s what I get for watching TV at the same time.
Albert Speer
Has anyone noticed how some people use big words that they would never use if they where down the pub, lets say
I have noticed it here for a long time, I don’t have to mention any names as I think we all know who they are
We have the likes of Stephen Fry who does the same and many others to
numerous to mention
well, as you see my headline name is Albert Speer, when asked what advice he would give any young man starting out in life, the infamous Mr Speer replied, work on your charisma young man, or words to that effect.
Mr Speer was a very clever man indeed, he talked himself out of the hangmans noose when most of his companions had a go on the swings
Anyway, my point is,this, using big words does not make you intelligent, and there is not such thing as charisma, there is another word to replace charisma and that word is, well pick one , i’m sure you can fill in that blank space for yourself
Cuties still up on netflix – membership remains cancelled.
all roads lead to legalised paedophilia – that’s what we are dealing with.
Brewer + Blackford f/k me honestly
Brewer was giving Blackford a hand this morning and by f/k something it’s he needs in order for people to interpret the absolute bloody drivel he spouts when sometimes asked even simple questions he makes a song and dance and the Audience falls asleep totally baffled
Brewer prompted him to cut the Tory government off at the Pass after speaking to Barclay a Tory minister who refused to say that they would point blank refuse a deal that lowers food standards after we cut ties with the EU , I don’t think Blackford was even listening so Brewer prompted him again same blank bloody look , he had one thing and one thing only on his mind and isn’t agile enough to adapt to changing circumstances , no wonder Johnston takes the piss out of him
milady at 13:04
‘The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
I think all of us reading this are aware of our need to “do” something. But what?’
well, you can start by cancelling your netflix membership if you have one. vote with your feet.
some of my best friends are wingers…
What rings out of the email extract is the presumption that the general public is incapable of understanding things and assumed to be thick. That’s a common theme with Sturgeon’s government.
There’s a laziness about Boris and Sturgeon though. Everything is made up as they go along and hinges on their ability to wing it. Again, that’s all consistent with the presumption that we are all dumb.
It’s lazy to think you can just dismiss international law. It’s lazy to assume you can change definitions of words and core ideas in the lexicon of understanding, rather than win an argument.
It’s lazy to think you can ignore the independence movement and debate and focus instead on self-aggrandisement.
These are lazy people who think we are dumb. I honestly doubt if Boris or Nicola has or ever had any long term plan or principled view on anything outside of “what’s in it for me?”
‘No, the Woke Won’t Debate You: Here’s Why’
link to newdiscourses.com
@ bipod
People keep talking about some golden-age wherein people in the UK had rights. Without a constitution, how the fuck can you ever claim that people had rights? Surely you can see that the Covid strictures will and can never be policed thus are purely ornamental. Don’t wear a mask, who cares? That’s entirely up-to-you, but please lay off in your attempts at propagandizing on behalf of your tedious, minority agenda.
David Caledonia
You appear to object to a technically correct use of language. Are you the Lord Advocate?
Language Teaching, Volume 20, Issue 4, October 1987 , pp. 227-234
Language of the law
link to cambridge.org
I hope am’ deid afore it’s mandary ! Lol !
You have the right to just ignore most of it as I have done for many years
But, you must appear to be conforming while having a quiet chuckle to yourself while laughing inside at all the sheep jumping in the air
They’ve already changed the definition of WOMEN in the gender representation of women on public boards in Scotland ,
So if it’s to be 50/50 representation what’s to stop 6 men declaring that they are transwoman and being elected onto the board and then you end up with 100 % MEN on the board .
So all they need to do , is one day declare they wish to be called Jill wear a skirt and apply for a position on the board and they then get elected , turn up to board meetings as Jill and then go back to the other days wearing trousers and want to be called Jack .
N B No offence is intended to anyone called Jill or Jack LOL
Paragraphs from the act ,
“ If a board has 12 non-executive members, the gender representative objective is that the board has 6 non-executive members who are women. “
“ The definition of ‘woman’ for the purposes of the Act
2.12 Section 2 of the Act provides that for the purposes of the Act, “woman” includes “a person who has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment (within the meaning of section 7 of the Equality Act 2010[2]) if, and only if, the person is living as a woman and is proposing to undergo, is undergoing or has undergone a process (or part of a process) for the purpose of becoming female”.
link to gov.scot
Just my many years of observation Mr B, my language skills are not perfect and neither is my grammar, but using big words when a simple everyday word will do is not to much to ask, there are lots of mendacious mendicants on the streets these days or in simple terms, lying beggers
@Josef
So because we technically have no rights in the first place (according to you) that makes authoritarian restrictions fine? I love it. I find it amazing that there are people on here who can rail against the “fascism” of nicola trying to redefine the meaning of some words, but simultaneously have nothing to say about the very real authoritarian restrictions imposed on us all by decree. Eevn attack those of us who do have a problem with it.
You say they are purely ornamental but tell that to all the people who have been accosted and fined for not following them. You want to know what is currently a tedious minority agenda in Scotland right now? Getting upset about nicola redefining the meaning of hetrosexuality.
Equating the Scottish government with Johnson and Cummings. Talk about scraping the barrel.
Albert Herring@1:04pm
I’ve noticed this on and off over the past couple of weeks, both with my ISP (Virgin) and over the phone (Tesco/O2). Site works fine when I use a VPN connection, straight ISP, time-outs, hangs on loading, only loads after multiple attempts..
I say past couple of weeks, but this has been happening on occasion for several months now, for your amusement, over the past 5 minutes@just before this post..
From my router (connected to VM cable modem)
wos-vip.positive-dedicated.net, mtr shows a 38% packet loss at that end.
From my laptop (connected via gigabit cabling to the router)
Using a VPN connection to Iceland.
wos-vip.positive-dedicated.net, mtr shows 10% packet loss at that end.
I’ve found the VPN connections to this site to be more consistently stable, thats why I now normally use Opera on my android mobile when visiting here.
josef o’luain
Bipod maybe in a minority, you might be right.
Margaret Mead Quotes;
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has
So, Jo, go eat some grass, bleat bleat.
I love my books, one day in the library I picked up a book by the former film star Dirk Bogarde, I thought to myself he is an interesting guy
He was an author by that time living in france, so I took the book home and after one chapter I gave up, it was hard going to say the least
The famous Lesley Thomas once said, I like to put a few big words in my books because I know the reader will have to go and look it up, and that thought of them doing that amused him no end
@Muscleguy
Spot on the conflation of the concepts of gender and sex really annoy me, as a biological scientist. At least it is lazy think and worst deliberate confusion in order to force an agenda.
Conflation is a common tactic-one just has to look at the melding of Zionism and the Jewish faith by supporters and opponents of Israel that really infuriates as well.
All in I am relaxed with the concept of multiple genders, but the underlying principle is that it should not harm others. However things being the way they are, and that males tend to be more agressive, letting “female” gendered males into female sex areas without consent of the host community, is a recipe for disaster and possible abuse.
I’d say there is also a fair amount of cognitive dissonance going on with pitching women against another minority, allowing the latter to trump the former. Can’t they see they poisoning this whole debate? A bit like unionists that like to hate nationalism but be totally oblivious to the fact that they are nationalists as well.
All in we need more and calm debate (as in scientific discussion), and that comes from have better educated individuals. Something that is lacking nowadays , with lazy thinking encouraged by opinion formers. Something broadly covered here link to theguardian.com
The use of the word ‘gender’, a term meaningful only within the field of linguistics, instead of ‘sex’ began the process of biological falsification. Both the Nazis and Communists were adept at pseudo-science.
Both were also skilled in the art of manipulating language to suit their ends.
“Before mass leaders seize the power to fit reality to their lies, their propaganda is marked by its extreme contempt for facts as such, for in their opinion fact depends entirely on the power of the man who can fabricate it.”
? Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism
So now along with the 70 odd so called genders, can the SNP now define for us the different sexes? This is getting beyond parody.
Talk about tying yourself in knots trying to sell this pup (male or female or numerous others???) to the punters!
Good luck to any of the poor sods having to vote in these woke nutters in your constituencies.
I still think it’s worth naming all the prospective SNP election candidates that are McWoke in the spirit of full disclosure. I really do think people should know who and what they’re voting for.
Critical Social Justice Theorists certainly do not deny biological reality. The woke perspective is laudable, but the misrepresentation of woke practice simply assists in the dis-empowerment of women.
Radical trans activists certainly won’t debate, as it is hard to sell misogyny.
Psicologia & Sociedade, vol.27 no.3 Belo Horizonte Sept./Dec. 2015
FEMINISM, PSYCHOLOGY AND SOCIAL JUSTICE: A POSSIBLE MEETING? AN INTERVIEW WITH MICHELLE FINE
link to scielo.br
@Alex Lomax
Arguably the Scottish Government are in certain respects worse. At least Johnson and Cummings haven’t sat on their arses for the past 5 years achieving hee haw. Nor do they seem particularly keen on gender woo-woo.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day I suppose. Also, let’s not forget that the reason Scots will most likely be subject to the whims of Westminster for a much longer period than necessary is largely attributable to the fact the SNP leadership lacks the political balls to ensure we have a say anytime this decade.
The language of the law, god preserve us Mr B, do you actually read that stuff and understand it, if you do you have my deepest admiration for your deligency in the face of utter gobbildigook
Any political party that starts their campaigning with Men are Women because we/they say so, have told their first major lie…anything after that is immaterial and can be discounted.
Social engineering of the two sexes is one to keep an eye on! I watched an interview with NS, and a participant asked if he did not agree with the new ‘woke’ politics would his child be taken away…and our Nic said yes!
Now that’s fascism!
I have been a supporter of women’s rights since I saw a woman beaten, and no-one came to her aid, those that tried were pushed aside and told to keep out of it…I was a kid then, and seen a lot worse. But it impressed upon me that women were belongings to be treated however their ‘keeper’ desired.
NS loves kids, but she refuses to keep them safe from violent, and often devious men by allowing the ‘woke brigade’ to enter schools when kids are such an impressionable age.
Yes, I support Independence with all my being…but how can I countenance such destruction of women?
I won’t wheesht for Indy!
I don’t have a tv so I miss most of the stuff about politics, I get a lot of info from youtube which is much better anyway to get at the truth,
If Nicola Sturgeon or any other tried to take my child off me I can assure you they would have to be prepared to die trying, and that is what could happen
Stu I’ve been saying something along the same lines for a while now since I first heard it levelled at Donald Trump. He lives by “do your worst and everything else that comes after it won’t seem so bad” These are not just stupid people they are just evil. Money is theIr God and they will always find a pretext for their tyranny. Boris Johnston, Michael Gove etc may all your sh.ts be hedgehogs.
Thank you Stu for all your efforts
If only people could apply this timely article to dangerous covid 19 legislation.
Boris Johnson wants to bring in mandatory daily testing and forced vaccinations.
“If only people could apply this timely article to dangerous covid 19 legislation.
Boris Johnson wants to bring in mandatory daily testing and forced vaccinations.”
I’m not approving all these comments because none of them contain a shred of evidence for their claims.
Ian Brotherhood @ 3.56 pm
Thanks for the link , I’ll get a read at it later .
David Caledonia
You appear to be hostile towards technical expertise. Are you Michael Gove?
Scozzie .
A good idea what’s the chance of these devious twisted deviant fkrs admitting to being one of them
This lot operate out of sight let’s see what a bit of Sunlight does for their chances
Voted for the SNP in every single election available they carry on like this and well who knows maybe my vote will be withdrawn , I would never vote for any Unionist Party but the SNP are making it very difficult to continue with normal Service , my first move was my membership my vote might just follow , They Work For Us maybe need reminding if they are hard of Hearing
The SNP are in big big trouble right now and I can only come to the conclusion that NS is doing her level best to lose the game for us.
As it stands, I will not vote for any Party in 2021. Scottish Independence is a dying duck. If key people in the SNP don’t wake the fuck up, and quickly, we’re buggered for an actual generation.
It’s 5 to midnight and we’re in trouble people. If this continues, it could be back to the drawing board for us and putting the SNP in the firing sites first – no easy task.
Getting back to critical social justice theorists, what do folk think I’ve been punting?
UCLA Women’s Law Journal, 18(1), 2010
SOCIAL JUSTICE FEMINISM
link to escholarship.org
Cameron, citing papers from 2010 and 2015 hardly reflects contemporary social justice ideology.
The social justice movement is rooted in postmodernism, which takes the polar opposite worldview to science in that it favours the subjective over the objective.
Contemporary social justice warriors take the view that there are a billion genders and a spectrum of sexes; that people can be born in the wrong body; that all white people are racist; and god knows what else. They offer zero empirical evidence for these positions, beyond a (deliberate) misunderstanding of science, and they demand that everyone kow-tow to their whacky beliefs without any discussion. If you ask questions or hold wrongthinking views, you are vilified and the mob demands that you lose your job.
This delusional thinking is prominent in the SNP and the Greens. There is no way I am going to vote for that, and I don’t want it for my country.
I’d have hope folk might have twigged to the fact that I’m trying to re-connect with critical social justice theory and practice.
link to cew.umich.edu
Dave M
Sorry but I don’t agree. Those punting a rejection of biological reality, simply lack adequate understanding of how to achieve social justice. Or are politically motivated to dis-empower women.
Critical Horizons, A Journal of Philosophy and Social Theory, Volume 20, 2019 – Issue 2: Special Issue: Iris Marion Young and Responsibility
Global Gender Justice: Human Rights and Political Responsibility
link to tandfonline.com
Dave M
Sorry, I should have been more specific. I was simply disagreeing with your suggestion that my perspective is out-of=date.
Sturgeon’s weekend tweet topics are covid, covid, Nicola Benedetti, covid, sports result, covid, book recommendation, covid, covid…..
Forget power grab, treaty trashing or indy as hot topics.
Professor Richard Ennos has given an interview to Anna Brees on YT.
I would recommend. Unless you have a SARS2 agenda of course, in which case, just stay in bed and wet yourself again.
The Westminster gravy train.
link to theguardian.com
Democracy, shamocracy!
o/t
Lady Muck on LBC 9:00 pm
A Tory party political broadcast
All big mouths welcome to a Scot denigrating Scot party , what was it she said something about being put in corner and kept away from the valuables sounds about right from that scabby Tory who has done a complete publicly visible 360 degree on Johnston and the EU almost as many turns as Galloway but just as twisted and devious a Face for every occasion , A True Gem
Maggie c 4.07
The interesting thing about those board quotas
There’s nothing about people who claim to be non-binary.
By their own standards
That is seriously discriminatory
The GRA amendments couldn’t be more discriminatory against women, if they tried. The proposals are extremely regressive in nature and reflect a rejection of Natural law in British constitutional practice. The Scottish government’s actions will have harmful repercussions around the world, as they appear in-step with English Torydum’s assault on liberal democracy.
Women’s Human Rights
link to globalfundforwomen.org
How fortunate for the fascists that a “killer” virus came along just in time to get us all under control.
I assume the GRA proposals have the full support of the Lord Advocate.
link to core.ac.uk
I don’t see the problem with the new law Stu. This “being attracted to a different sex” rather than the old “opposite sex” is just splitting hairs. It means basically the same thing but more progressive & inclusive of trans rights.
paedophiles have no problem with the new law.
They saw what happened in California under their LGBTQ law (SB145) and thought, what a great idea, getting away with raping a child and not being placed on the sex offenders register.
They just have to make sure the judge is a paedo as well. and of course, the woke democrats will make sure of that by appointment.
GRA here, will eventually lead to legalising paedophilia.
Constitutional expert wars Tory power grab will make Holyrood redundant
link to thenational.scot
Yes bikers roll through the town of Coldstream, where Tory council jobsworthy had Saltires removed from high street.
link to thenational.scot
Witchy
You claim Nicola said in an interview that someone’s child would be taken away from him if he disagreed with the new woke politcs.
I do not believe you. That is nonsense.
Where is your source?
In order to support social justice, the law needs to be post-foundational in nature. This enables a respect for Natural law and “difference”, so post-foundational law has the potential to be universal and impartial. The GRA amendments are anti-foundational in nature, so are detached from Natural law and critical reason.
I assume they have the full support of the Lord Advocate.
link to agendaeurope.wordpress.com
@ C Griffiths
No, it isn’t. They explicitly state that there are more than 2 sexes.
That is science-denying nonsense, and in no way “progressive”.
I see we have the force with us now, well, well, indyref2 must be in the bag.
oh shit, forgot, we have NS at the helm.
@Ian B 3.56: thanks for taking the trouble of summarising precisely why These Types are not interested in rational debate and try to close it down at every opportunity.
Since we’re in unusual Godwin’s Law territory on Wings (whether involving right or left fascism), I remember accounts of the ordinary people of 40s Germany and Stalin’s USSR who spookily gave the same answers when confronted with state atrocities against their kind, “If only The Great Leader knew!” the poor shmucks would complain.
It would be nice to know we’re not headed down the same metaphorical road…….
As Granny used to say after drawing on her cutty pipe and spitting in the grate, “I hae ma doots, laddie!”
Tinto Chiel
Neither yourself or Ian are trained to critique critical social theory. That piece that Ian posted was simply an attack on social science.
Multiple sexes? This is all getting a little too confusing and ambiguous for a country that desperately needs to promote more procreation to maintain a viable society.
A situation compounded for some by being held in lockdown and thus restricting peoples’ ability to form relationships.
Wonder what the birth rates will look like over the next year or so. Will there be a sharp rise 9 months on from the initial lockdown furloughed fuckfest, leading on to a diminishing number once the poverty hit, both in monetary and eligible Euro partners kicks in once we’re out the EU.
Natural law can be misused, so it’s important to have an holistic approach to justice.
Modernisation, National Identity and Legal Instrumentalism (Vol. II: Public Law)
Nazi Law as Pure Instrument: Natural Law, (Extra-)Legal Terror, and the Neglect of Ideology
link to brill.com
on YT
‘I challenge the Government to back up their belief there will be a second wave’
Dr Mike Yeadon – basically there will be no second wave and SARS2 is all over.
And for info, false positives are STILL being used as ‘positives’ when SG are talking cases – just think about that for a second that is their rationale for new lockdown measures.
I assume the Lord Advocate isn’t a Nazi, though he does appear to support excessive legal instrumentalism.
Recherches en psychanalyse 2010/2 (n° 10), pages 286a à 295a
Natural law and “heteronormativity”
link to cairn.info
@CBB 7.20: in your patronising opinion and how would you know anything about my “training”? As if a much-vaunted qualification in Town Planning gives you the right to link to irrelevant wodges of “scientific” papers. If they are representative of what you call “social science” than God help us from most of them.
I’ll comment when and where I like, thanks.
This and the previous thread benefited from your relative absence in my opinion. I know you are an intelligent guy who can conduct a social converation because we’ve met so come out from behind that pseudo-scientific cloaking device you use and just be yourself. Maybe btl would be the better for it.
Scotland legal officers have thoroughly let Scots down, by failing to resist the excessive legal instrumentalism of Brexit.
link to pure.qub.ac.uk
love yer links cam
Tinto Chiel
I know my shit in a way that neither yourself or Ian do. You have no idea of the contents of my training, yet you appear happy to disparage it. So of anyone is showing a patronising lack of respect, it’s yourself.
C Griffiths says: 13 September, 2020 at 6:35 pm
As another poster mentioned, it isn’t splitting hairs.
Leaving out the biological argument, this argument could be stopped dead in it’s track if it defined trans-men as trans-men and trans-woman as trans-woman rather than men or woman. If there are many types of sex and gender than what difference would two more make?
It isn’t going to happen because it would be too much of a legal headache and would be rejected by the main population. However, it is being put through the backdoor by redefining woman, gay people and now it seems heterosexuality which can’t be defined other than it’s biological sense.
I’m not sure how lessening the rights of a lot of groups for the sake of one group when there is alternatives isn’t inclusive or progressive.
ahundredthidiot says: 13 September, 2020 at 7:42 pm
Sigh.
This isn’t specific to the Scottish Government. Every other country is using the same test and there is no way of telling which is false positives because the test used isn’t very good.
As I mentioned, there needs to be more accurate forms of testing rather than the current one which is picking up dead virus particles in people who had been previously infected.
Lorenzo @ 12.55 says Nacht Und Nabel is next in the playbook and he’s not wrong on that.
Trade agreements under consideration already make provision for secret courts where organisations, like the NHS could be taken to court in secret and then be ordered to pay millions to a transnational corporate entity.
Or trials with secret witnesses. ( Salmond)
Or trials without a jury ( Murray )
Or the denial of information to Parliament ( Salmond again)
Or secret voting in the NEC ( SNP )
Or the restriction of right to FOI information ( COVID need )
Or the illegal abuse of the Hostile Environment
Or the removal of powers from a parliament the settled will of the Scottish people.
Or the disregard of the sacred vow.
Or the repudiation of the Good Friday Agreement.
Yes folks a nigh5 and fog decree would not even be a blink to this government. In fact it is a given.
Internment, Diplocck Courts, the voice of an actor, the death squads primed as counter gangs by the military. It all coming and we await it on our humble knees.
Oh Bessts of Scotland, can we not lift up our vision!
The key part of the email dated September 1st are the closing two sentences NOT the phrase highlighted. It is clear that the email author is NOT intending to change things.
The email also points out that EN/STA complied with Press for Change’s lobbying over the interchangeability of terms in Section 9 to prevent discrimination in “terms of their sex” which, by its own logic, recognises the difference between the two terms gender and sex. The author also says that they have been working with the NRS and ONS on this. It is obvious that there is no way that the terms sex and gender will be merged for the national census – I know you do not like Nicola Sturgeon (neither do I) but she must be very powerful indeed to be able to overcome and control the United Kingdom’s Office for National Statistics.
This is smoke – you create smoke with a couple of flashes to inflame your readers. You have done this on purpose as you have done on other occasions on other matters to inflame the regulars on your ‘forum’ and to create an on-going narrative to make a genuine issue look like a conspiracy. Even if such crap legislation was presented it would be knocked on the head at the first base. That’s what parliament is for. You know this.
Sometimes you talk of a cabal or infiltrators within the SNP, but by saying this you recognise that the majority (non-cabal) of the SNP representatives wouldn’t give this the time of day. Nor would opposition parties.
The GRA 2004 the email refers to is a UK Act which Scottish Legislation is in consort with. 2004 is interesting also as that was the year that Alec Salmond (who I do like) was re-elected leader of the party not Sturgeon.
I completely agree with keeping the the division between the biological term ‘sex’ and the sociological term ‘gender’ – and so does the writer of this email. The way this has been presented here is just as dishonest as the way the state broadcaster often behaves… and again, you know this.
For the record I do not agree with much of the GRA, I don’t think a man who changes sex is the same as a woman, he is after all, by his own admission, transgender. I also don’t agree with mis-representing or mis-using factual information to mis-inform – it just isn’t right.
You are better than this
To Quote:
“The Registrar General for Scotland maintains a confidential link between the original (true) birth record and the (changed) record in the Gender Recognition Register”. Brackets are my additions for clarity.
This is an interesting article about a German magazine first published ninety years ago called ‘The Third Sex’. It was the world’s first magazine devoted to trans issues.
link to theparisreview.org
@MaggieC says:
13 September, 2020 at 4:07 pm
“So if it’s to be 50/50 representation what’s to stop 6 men declaring that they are transwoman and being elected onto the board and then you end up with 100 % MEN on the board .”
Grant Costello. the candidate to replace Linda Fabiani, is retweeting Mr Murrel, Mr Robertson, Mr Blackford, Mr Smith…
He’s been asked the following:
“Has he signed the “SNP’s Women’s pledge”
“Explain his role as Digital Manager”
“What he is doing to mitigate Brexit”
“What is definition of a woman”
“What he has achieved during the pandemic”
“Do you believe transwomen are women?”
To all of the above (and more, some from SNP supporters) absolutely no response. When asked why he won’t respond – no response. And this guy wants to represent his community?
One person has gone as far to describe him as “another easily controlled, inexperienced NS/Murrell acolyte”, and another suggesting that he “couldn’t launch a stick in the air”.
This is what we are going to get next May, repeated across Scotland. Young Sturgeon loyalists, with no practical experience but run through the SNP factory.
WT
“I know you do not like Nicola Sturgeon (neither do I) but she must be very powerful indeed to be able to overcome and control the United Kingdom’s Office for National Statistics.”
The ONS recommends the biological definition of sex, and acknowledges the difference between sex and gender. So why is the Scottish civil service prevented from following a gender-critical approach to law and public policy?
Tinto Chiel 7.44 Many Wingers have made the same appeal/comment as you sadly to no availe no town planner needed that amount of information to sit at a draughtboard .
Take care .
ronnie anderson
Town planners draw plans, but they need to have a critical understanding of how to support justice through the law. I was trained to support inclusive, sustainable, social practice, which means I have an holistic approach to law and democracy. I really don’t mean to upset folk, but you surely can’t object to me trying to support the rule-of-law?
The only input Sturgeon wants from ANYBODY at the moment is their money.
Oh, and a little bit of SNP campaigning wouldn’t go a miss.
Well Sturgeon, you will receive neither from me, and as for your little Covid19 app,,, you can shove it right up your jacksey.
Until I see positive signs coming from you regarding Scottish Independence, then my input, like yours, will be zero.
The Johnson thing is more like the Trump situation, where people become numb to madness, pumped at them by the media for advertising revenue. I must admit, seeing this country retreat into the dark anti-intellectual waters of American-minted middle-class extremism and mental illness has been extremely painful, and is only getting worse. A total tragedy.
For the avoidance of doubt, binary asteroid has nothing to do with their composition but means simply an asteroid whose mass consists not of just one lump (more or less roughly-rounded usually) – which might be termed a unitary asteroid, I suppose –
but rather consists of two such rough lumps, fused, in a sort of dumbbell or snowman shape. Several are known. The two lumps may be approximately equal, or unequal, in size/volume/mass.
I suppose there could also be tertiary/ternary/trinary asteroids of 3 lumps; quaternary asteroids of 4 lumps; and so on up, but I am not aware of any such having been found yet.
I know Ronnie. Good to hear from you and the same to you with Goves on. One last try….
“Tinto Chiel
I know my shit in a way that neither yourself or Ian do.”
Yes, keep believing that, Cameron: you have no way of knowing what either of us knows about anything but carry on if it makes you feel any better, just don’t expect anyone to take any notice.
So many well-disposed Wingers have tried to gently suggest you change your tack but you plough on regardless.
Sail on, Captain Ahab…..
Project fear Blurb for the BBC tv program Extinction: The Facts.
[In 2017, Blue Planet II caused an instant change of behaviour for many, when we saw what plastic does to the oceans. It’s to be hoped, desperately, that this film will be a similar landmark. David Attenborough introduces a pithy deconstruction of how various human misdeeds — deforestation, poaching, pollution, overfishing, climate change — have left us in a dire emergency. Of the eight million species of plants, animals and insects on Earth, one million are at risk of extinction.
The scale of the problem is hard to comprehend, but the expert contributors here clearly explain the individual crises that form a terrifying whole. We’re unequivocally told that rampant consumption has got us here, and that the pause enforced by Covid-19 is an opportunity for change. If we don’t act, further pandemics could be just one of the awful consequences.]
Humans are total shit implies BBC darling old boy Attenborough.
All sounds like old time hell fire and damnation religion.
Dave the redeemer, Greta his handmaid, Extinction Rebellion his missionaries.
Btw Gaia is such a loving mother:
link to humanoriginproject.com
Tinto Chiel
I’m pretty sure you’ve not been trained in critical legal theory, or understand critical realism, or have knowledge of post-positivist social science, or stand-point epistemology, or feminist jurisprudence. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Feminist Legal Epistemology
link to repository.law.indiana.edu
I know my shit……. I know youre shit too cam, keep up the good work
@Tinto Chiel
If only Cameron the comment hog had a friend who could stage an intervention?
Or at least do us all a favour and delete his apparently bottomless archive of randomly generated secondary sources.
@CamBB
Merely an observation but I’ll point out that your being so critical and dismissive of other posters’ knowledge and lived experiences rather reeks of intolerance to anything other than your own outlook.
There’s value in absorbing what other people have to say so that you can broaden your own awareness in how to cater for and deal with people.
You’re punting out more links than a fuckin’ sausage factory when you are capable of writing concise well made points of your own.
Just sayin…. 🙂
Andy Ellis
Why are you attacking someone who supports democracy and the rule-of-law, through scientific reason?
——-
I’m very, very rusty, but epistemology was a significant part of my training, i.e. how to establish which facts are true, from those that are simply cultural beliefs.
Human Rights and Human Well-Being
Epistemological Foundations for Human Rights
link to oxford.universitypressscholarship.com
@Andy Ellis: oh, yes, and right on cue too, apparently. I was just waiting for the faux ami to appear.
“I’m pretty sure you’ve not been trained in critical legal theory, or understand critical realism, or have knowledge of post-positivist social science, or stand-point epistemology, or feminist jurisprudence. Please correct me if I’m wrong.”
Quite. Thankfully, I don’t give a flying fruitbat for your meaningless, periphrastic hobgoblins but please keep posting your havers. Someone somewhere in the universe may derive some benefit.
Big Clue: leither is not your friend, seriously.
CameronB Brodie wrote on 13 September, 2020 at 5:13 pm:
“I’d have hope folk might have twigged to the fact that I’m trying to re-connect with critical social justice theory and practice.”
No, what you’re doing is saturating thread after thread with material most of us don’t read and by the looks of things most of us aren’t interested in.
What you’re doing is also extremely selfish, constantly pushing other folks’ comments further up thread. I know I’m not the only one who now comes on to WOS and looks at the “latest comments” list, sees your name taking up half the list, then just clearing off again.
You are trolling and destroying any decent opportunities of conversation continuity and folk are missing out on some good informative material from others as you seek to dominate every single thread.
Your actions deter others from posting. You’re also constantly baiting other Wingers AND would be trolls, despite the rules clearly stating not to. To inform his nibs if you think someone is a troll and he will make that decision.
I’m now fully convinced these actions of yours are very deliberate so you may dominate, and ruin, the threads. And I even suspect at least one of those you appear to argue with is your sockpuppet.
You’ll either heed what some of us are saying to you or you’ll continue to arrogantly carry on regardless being good for the post count only. Either way your current strategy is not a good look.
@CBB
Because you’re spamming BTL comments with screeds of secondary sources, ill-aimed and frequently of no or only tangential relevance to what is being discussed. It patently doesn’t matter how many people ask you to desist from your monomania, you simply have no self control.
When called out on your idiocy, you become snide and abusive. Why Stu puts up with your input God only knows. It’s making the BTL experience here much less attractive. From comments earlier, some people here seem to know you and have met you: even they have asked you to desist, yet like a dog returning to it’s vomit you keep coming back.
Dan
Perhaps, but I’m just getting pissed of folk who would probably tell their dentist how to do their job. The links are intended to support democratic reason, and I’m simply to rusty to put it into words myself. Anyway, I think MIT and Oxbridge are more likely to be believed than some random on t’internet stroking their beliefs. That’s what critical educational theory suggests anyway.
leither is not your friend
🙁 sobs uncontrollably
i love yer links cam
Andy Ellis
re. secondary sources.
Is that not what enables you to learn?
re, ill-aimed and frequently of no or only tangential relevance to what is being discussed.
In your opinion, which is all you have to offer, apparently.
re. It patently doesn’t matter how many people ask you to desist from your monomania, you simply have no self control.
No it doesn’t matter how many folk object to education, which appears to include yourself.
re. When called out on your idiocy, you become snide and abusive
I’ve little time for fannies.
re. Why Stu puts up with your input God only knows. It’s making the BTL experience here much less attractive.
He does, so suck it up.
re. From comments earlier, some people here seem to know you and have met you: even they have asked you to desist, yet like a dog returning to it’s vomit you keep coming back.
You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.
“leither is not your friend
? sobs uncontrollably
i love yer links cam”
Thanks for making my point. You remind me strongly of someone The Rev eventually grew tired of, but you used to snigger more, IIRC.
the cows are coming home to roost….
Stoker
How the hell is trying to support democracy selfish or destructive?
Truth, Reason and Justice: Epistemology and Politics in Evidence Discourse
link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com
@Frank Gillougly 2:07pm
Nice catch.
His Myth of Sisyphus would be more relevant for the rest of us, perhaps – recognition of the absurdity.
I did laugh at a hashtag I saw recently #NLM 😀
In my opinion the SNP and their biology deniers are hell bent on turning this country into a backwater of lunacy, all to cater for the less than 1% who decide they’d prefer to try their hand at being a gender other than that which they were born.
If I state this opinion 6 months from now I’ll be classed as a transphobic peddler of hate speech and off to gaol I’ll go.
Welcome to Sturgeon’s Brave New Wold!
Can everybody just chillax?
Trying to fit in with the “alternative” crowd, although where I live most people generally tell you in more direct terms 🙂
@CameronB Brodie
It’s time to start listening when it’s clear that no-one is listening to you.
Ron Maclean
I’m coming to that conclusion myself, though that does mean I’ll no longer be able to offer my support. I’ve tried my best but it’s apparent folk simply want to believe what they believe. So sad.
Ron Maclean
It would be interesting to see how many females would want to exclude me. 😉
Well at least I suppose Ian Blackford has a new catchphrase now ‘Scotland will not be dragged into the UK Single Market against its will’.
The secret of success is never keep a catchphrase for too long as the public tire of it, Blackford hopes to keep going for as long as Bruce Forsyth.
@CameronB Brodie
I don’t speak for anyone but I’m sure the problem is your overuse of irrelevant links. I enjoy your own comments which are often very perceptive.
It’s dangerous to go down the road of ‘splitting hairs ‘ when it comes to meaning: particularly when it comes to the law.
The law is getting into very muddy waters these days.
Words play on a slippery slope and if they get to the bottom of the slide then all true meaning may be lost.
i want to have yer children cam…..
Ron Maclean
Thanks. I don’t think I posted many “irrelevant” links, as this stuff is all inter-connected.
Cognitive Agendas and Legal Epistemology
link to scholarworks.uark.edu
jfngw @9:54 pm
Blackford doesn’t know how to Play His Cards Right.
10.05pm
“I don’t think I posted many “irrelevant” links” says he posting another irrelevant link.
Good grief.
I’m quite looking forward to when the SNP, in their America-copying zeal, start wanting to stop the teaching of history. This has been recently recommended in the horrible WASP Chicago suburb of Evanston (I lived there for six months, and ended up saving an old man’s life; click my name if you want to read what I wrote aboot it). Cos, you know, historically, there are only two sexes, but if you ban all old history you can just make up whatever new shite you feel like. Which is clearly what’s going on, in some ways, and where the Hell the Western world is horribly headed.
link to nbcchicago.com
Andy Ellis
Are you seriously suggesting legal epistemology is of no relevance to the debate? If so, then you have a rather limited appreciation of how to support democracy,
VIRGINIA LAW REVIEW
VOLUME 87 DECEMBER 2001 NUMBER 8
NATURALIZED EPISTEMOLOGY AND THE LAW OF
EVIDENCE
link to chicagounbound.uchicago.edu
WRYC @10:14 pm
Wow. The wokies will be organising book bonfires next.
‘kapelmeister says:
13 September, 2020 at 10:29 pm
WRYC @10:14 pm
Wow. The wokies will be organising book bonfires next.’
Human barbecues, more like it! Chuckling. The irony of it is that Evanston is a really horrible, ultra-PC enclave, full of rich people. They go out of their way to show how supposedly non-racist they are. Of course, it’s always the racists who want to volubly show-and-tell how non-racist they supposedly are; everybody else just gets on with their lives. And this is how they get paid back for their middle-class self-loathing self-flagellating. Fascinatingly appalling.
Professor Lynda Fauld, Edinburgh university has to have the most annoying accent on the telly at the moment.
She is meant to be some kind of Covid19 advisor and friend of the BBC in Scotland.
Her accent is a mix of America, English and Scottish combined.
Sounds like a right stuck up Tory.
Had a re-read at that email a couple of times and have great difficulty parsing the intent. The position seems to be:
Sex is a spectrum
Using Sex and Gender interchangably however is confusing.
Not allowing for Sex to be defined as a spectrum in law, is potentially harmful – where Gender is already defined as a spectrum and Sex is not.
Clarity is required in order to educate the public.
How do we achieve that.
This is a dissonnace and the aims are mutually exclusive.
Pondering how anyone can solve such a conundrum (far less contemplate it) I come to a conclusion; that it can only really be done by expunging one of the terms entirely and the remainder absorbs the other’s defintion/s.
Whether it’s the abolition of Sex, or Gender – take your pick – I would imagine ‘Gender’ would be for the chop and the term Sex to encompass Gender definitions – then existing laws need not require change.
One can identify as a Sex (on whatever woo-woo spectrum) that is your Sex. It may require pushing a compromise on transgenders, to stipilate a biological Sex at Birth (as recorded) where required for actual sane reasons; but otherwise leaves room in legislation to accept one’s Sex as self defined.
I do not know – perhaps even the acknowledgement of a biological ‘Dead Sex (Dead name) is a howlingly atavistic anathema to the ‘whatever they are called’ and it is precisely this which they are seeking to extirpate.
Somewhere along the line though, it has to be an acknowledged compromise – if only from a biological viewpoint – redifining and changing gametes on a whim, just cannot be done.
I suppose the phrase Biological Sex as a term (Dead Sexing?) could be extirpated in favour of ‘Gamete’ ?
So, I dunno what you’d eventually see on any paperwork –
(Sex) Female (Gamete) XY…
So, pfff… for general legislation it would just be ‘Sex’ Where that will leave all the sociatal binary remnants, from check boxes, to toilets and declension in the world’s languages – I have absolutely no idea.
Thankfully it is not my problem, because I identify as no longer giving a fuck.
tl;dr The email means – We need to kill a word.
‘iain mhor says:
13 September, 2020 at 10:40 pm
Had a re-read at that email a couple of times and have great difficulty parsing the intent.’
That is intentional. It’s illogical madness that relies on sane people to make a religious-like leap of faith into a parallel universe, where black is white and day is night. Utter madness and nonsense.
It’s like having to listen to someone elses screaming baby.
…..You know of what I speak, Gandalph…..
@Fireproofjim
Shame you don’t believe me, or think I am telling lies.
Honesty is a highly prized commodity and severely lacking in modern public life. But I judge honesty to be an integral component in my life, and I loathe liars.
Yes, I was shocked when I saw the clip.
It must still be kicking around somewhere on the t’internet..so when you come across it, maybe a public apology would suffice.
The sex classes of “male” and “female” are a reflection on human biology, which is indeed a spectrum. That’s why you get butch women and effeminate men. On the other hand, gender is a social construct defined through culture. So by denying an individual’s sex is biologically grounded, and is instead a product of an individual’s psychology, the Scottish government is on the brink of turning Scots law into a tool of authoritarian totalitarianism. The law needs to be rational in order to support justice and democracy.
Frontiers in Psychology., 18 June 2014
Rationality: a social-epistemology perspective
link to frontiersin.org
Given we have poisoned ourselves with plastics and God knows what else, it is perhaps not surprising that there has been blurring of genders. The average tea bag releases billions of microplastic particles into the cup as one everyday example there are numerous other sources and chemical agents
I’m weary of the woke entryist into politics but I doubt it will go away. I’m coming to the conclusion that there probably is an increasing gender blurring and that it is something we are doing to ourselves and to the fauna of the planet. The continuum of gender may have something of the evangelist deal of a political cause but I think the underlying driver is inadvertent biological tinkering.
Just a thought,I have no axe to grind on the matter nor am I selling any remedy.
HandandShrimp
But you are confusing the issue by describing radical trans activists as woke.
Unfortunately once Scotland has been subsumned and holyrood abolished, The only thing that sadly will free Scotland is a Scottish canary wharf. No country will want to do trade deals with a uk torn apart by political and civil disorder.
CBB
Perhaps,
…if only I cared. The whole issue induces stupefying inertia in me.
HandandShrimp
We wouldn’t be in this situation if the party’s management weren’t supporting it. Which means it’s self-inflicted damage.
Œconomia, 9-1 | 2019
Equality, Recognition and Social Justice: A Hegelian Perspective Announcing Amartya Sen
link to journals.openedition.org
She’s turned us all into those mangled things Bacon painted ‘at the base of the crucifixion’. link to tate.org.uk
The body of Scottish independence hanging lifeless above from a carefully crafted cross.
@WRYC, 10.45
Utter madness and nonsense
It may be nonsense but it is not madness. Destroying the meaning of words causes confusion since human beings use words to think. People who can’t think straight are easily frightened and controlled.
O/T
If you live in Scotland at present you are a Sovereign Citizen of Scotland and also European Citizen. If you live in England you are a Subject of England and also a European Citizen.
However after Independence those wishing to retain English (Brit) passports would end up with Ex-Pat status exactly the same as Ex-Pats in Spain. Now this is where it gets tricky as OAP pensions are likely to rise in line to at least the average EU pensions.
In the future ex-pats in Spain will still recieve the derisory UK one. This makes for a wee quandary for thousands of English (Brit) pensioners living in Scotland to have a real think about whether to cross the burning bridge in an Independent Scotland and change to a Scottish Passport and a Scottish OAP Pension and properly integrate into Scotland!
BTW this will also apply to Health Care same as the Expats in Spain, time to get the wallet out!
One to think about, eh ?
On Twitter (I know, I know, we all have our bad habits) Tory Times columnist Iain Martin has pointed out that many of those going “independence is inevitable in the next couple of years” are being ridiculous because they are also “asking” Johnson to be “allowed” to have one and there’s no way he’s going to do that. Now, obviously the Rev has pointed this out before.
Who has come along to argue with Martin? Why, the honourable member for North Perthshire. He says that if Johnson refuses a referendum, then support for Yes will grow, and then Johnson “will be taking on the principle of democracy itself”.
Which as far as I can see is a load of meaningless words which essentially prove Martin’s point…
Boring and short as this sentence may be, it’s much more interesting and informative than all of the many things that CameronB Brodie has typed in his or her whole life.
Hatuey
Sure your not just a bit narrow minded and hostile to ethical rationalism? Are you the Lord Advocate?
link to academic.oup.com
I see the Cat litter and Me Bungo Pony (david caledonia) have had a wee day off from WGD to come and try to annoy the posters on WOS, I suppose it must get boring being somewhere where your NOT allowed to speak off piste, wouldn’t it be nice if NS would just dae sumfin tae get us indy instead of just creating dissension with sycophants and non believers
Me sorry as my bungo pony would say MALCONTENTS
Good post. The shocking part is the admission of it being a deliberate choice to vary definition of gender/sex to confuse and then lead the unwilling populace where they want them to go. All for our own and the greater good of course. It really is quite an admission. I see Gavin Henderson is deputy director of Scottish Government.
I also saw another advert for a position in Scottish Government at the starting rate of £95,000 per annum, unless they were coming from a post already earning more than that where their original salary would be their starting salary. These people are paid such obscene amounts at this time, after ten years austerity and things only looking worse for future and they can be guaranteed their existing higher salary if they take a job at only 95,000. There should be a limit of ten times the lowest salary, at most, to anyone in however high a position in either government or private sector. They’re not worth more than that and that would create a really decent and fair society.
@ twathater
‘I see the Cat litter and Me Bungo Pony (david caledonia) have had a wee day off from WGD to come and try to annoy the posters on WOS, I suppose it must get boring being somewhere where your NOT allowed to speak off piste’
Yes, twathater, I’ve noticed similar. Despite haranguing folk on Wings quickly enough about ‘hating Sturgeon’ or doing whatever they claim we do to damage independence, in other places similar types of posters fail to fight their corner elsewhere with the same gusto about plebiscite elections and voting for a different list party. I doubt they’re friends to many here, Cameron isn’t the only one they’re against. They seem though a shadow of their former selves elsewhere.
@cirsium
‘People who cant think straight are easily frightened and controlled.’
Sounds like predictive control speak to me.
Presumably if you do not think ’straight’ then you think divergently. Ergo, it is entirely possible that you would regard fear and control differently from a straight (convergent) thinker.
James Barr Gardiner
Yes James,
There are over 1 million expats living in Europe and as they get older
and health issues arrive, they get better health support in countries like
Spain than they would in England.
Their EU Card, the E 11 means they don’t have to pay.
As the Tories drag them out of Europe that health care all stops.
Typically an English couple might sell a £300-400,000 home and buy something
Half the price in Spain and live off the profit, savings and UK pension.
If they have to return due to health reasons and the falling pound, there will be a
Surge in Spanish property for sale, that will drop the value and give them little left
To find a home back in England.
With house shortages, the associated fees and no prospect of a mortgage many would find it
Impossible to buy back in their home town.
A slight possibility of private rent where their rent may be paid by the tax payer.
The same if a council house vacancy existed.
How would their local GP and Hospitals cope with an additional 1,000,000 people with health issues
arrived next year?
As they appear in the money out box on Tory spread sheets, you will see the pension age increased
To 70. Mobility vehicles you can forget and with no annual increases you will see the 4th worst pension in Europe quickly take over the number 1 spot.
To prepare the NHS for its new American owners, expensive treatments such as open heart surgery
will no longer be supported for those of a certain age who can’t pay privately.
Given a little more time and power the Tories will ensure that there is no pension or NHS for your
Children. No Social security safety net and no opposition to their policies.
Sit up and take notice. Resist with everything you have, free Scotland from this desolate house of Usher.
Tory Policing Minister, Kit Malthouse on BBC news stating that
they have spent Hundreds of Millions preparing the country
for the Brexit agreement they signed after enormously protracted
negotiation but only now consider the terms could see the citizens
N Ireland might starve if the UK mainland cannot send food to them
Without tariffs?
The Tories are so very confident that the English electorate are dumb
enough to accept such illegal acts and incompetence come into effect.
The DUP will support anything the Tories do just as long as their floodgate
of subsidies continues to flow right into their pockets.
And the SNP opinion and actions in response to all this is ????????
@Cameron.
Here’s a challenge for you.
When the next article is up on the blog, see if you can comment on it without posting any links at all btl. Just give your own opinions.
How about it? 🙂
If you have neither a penis nor a vagina, what sex are you?
“If you have neither a penis nor a vagina, what sex are you?”
That depends on what sex you are, but you’re either male or female.
Juteman
I thought I was doing both, as my introductory comments are essentially my interpretation of theory and practice. I do try to stay clear of threads I have little specialist insight into, or I’ll delay posting until a good few folk have had their say first. I am very conscious of being overbearing and I try to only belittle those on the radical right, or those who assume they are my intellectual superior, but clearly aren’t.
Would you mind if I posted some stuff on moral theory and bioethics?
Viral state is destroying our freedom.
link to corbettreport.com
Ignorance, compliance, complacency and indifference are co-morbid.
You’re gonna da it anyway Spameron, but let’s be clear here, nae cunt buys yer pish.
The truly gifted and the talented don’t usually feel the need to constantly remind everyone of their abilities.
Fuck knows why the dear leader puts up with such obvious spamming & thread disruption.
Comment count aside.
Ottomanboi
I see you are still trying to undermine a respect for global health law and public health ethics. I appreciate our liberty is under intense pressure right now, but the “Right to Health” is the key to inclusive and sustainable democracy. So would you mind clarifying your agenda, as it doesn’t appear compatible with the principle of equality in law?
@Effijy
The E111 (now called EHIC) never covers permanent residencies, so it won’t make any change to ex-pats. They will continue to have to contribute in as needed (in insurance-based countries like Germany anyway, not sure how Spain works)
defo
Who are you outside your ego? You certainly don’t strike me as being particularly open minded, or open to ethical rationalism. Why not take the opportunity to enlighten yourself with some of the insight I’m making available, or are you simply too arrogant and lazy?
Arrogant!
Deciding that you know best what others need, and can say, isn’t arrogant?
You’re in need a good hard slap aboot the chops, and I’m happy to travel .
defo
Would you say the same to your doctor? Why not engage your brain, or better still, why not give your arse a chance?
defo
P.S. I’m happy to accommodate your threat of violence, but lets sort our government out first.
Noticed the comments earlier.
Wee Ginger Dug – an odious censorious bog roll blog best not to trod on.
Trying to find out if the people of St Kilda forced to leave their ancient homeland in a `trail of tears ` scenario,
or was it by consent and if so how do we know this,
or was it by some dogooder whitey woke liberals that thought they were doing good by taking them from their ancient honeland and sticking them in `civilsed` big cities.
Scot Finlayson
Are you trying to trigger me? The woke perspective values epistemic truth, where as genderwoowoo is the absolute rejection epistemic integrity. Those supporting its introduction into Scots law. wish to destroy the epistemic coherence of Scots law. Of course, all of this destruction of democratic principles is being undertaken under the watchful eye of the Lord Advocate.
That clown Kit Malthouse is Minister for CRIME and the Police but he thinks the law is there to be broken as required.
On BBC he also said the teenager who organised a party should be fined £10,000.
Isn’t he just breaking the law as he requires?
A salient every from Milton Mayer’s book “They Thought They Were Free” can be found here:
link to press.uchicago.edu
This passage provides a succinct description of the process:
“To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it—please try to believe me—unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, ‘regretted,’ that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these ‘little measures’ that no ‘patriotic German’ could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.”
BBC Scotland going strong on why a rule of 6 and not 8 and why make such a rule and a few English voices saying it is confusing and people don’t understand
It looks like the BBC is spreading confusion and letting any thick whako have cart blanch to address the nation
They are clearly trying to get the Scottish infection rate up to the same as England
One wee lady from Glasgow came on and said we all need to keep away from groups it is simple then of very quick and back to an English voice saying how confusing it is and the government need to get a grip
BBC are now a major part of the misinformation process
I do hope the sg work up an alternative communication systemq
love yer links cameron
@Scot Finlayson 9:38am
Stories from St Kilda – National Records of Scotland – nrscotland.gov.uk
@Dave Hansell 9.57: yes, an excellent (and relevant) quotation.
The Nazis didn’t start with Auschwitz, they began by marginalising and oppressing minorities so that most people could say, “Well, it doesn’t affect me….”
Niemoeller’s “First they came for…” poem decribes the process very elegantly.
Once the lobster is even dimly aware what’s happening in the warming pot it’s usually already too late.
We’re living in dangerous times.
@Ottomanboi, 8.24
That Corbett report makes for sobering viewing. Pepe Escobar’s writing about this also gives a lot to think about link to globalresearch.ca
Ignorance, compliance, complacency and indifference. Fear needs to be thrown into the mix.
thanks for this post Rev. Corbett + Escobar + Wings = a wake-up call
Here are some of Mike Russell’s remarks about the UK’s Internal Market Bill…
”The UK Government have now asked this Parliament for legislative consent for this bill.
But in addition to the damage it will do – reason enough to refuse consent – it surely cannot be right that we are expected to agree to something that is, in the admission of the proposers, against international law.
The Scottish Government will therefore bring to this chamber a motion to refuse such consent. We will also publish a full rebuttal of the bill which we will distribute nationally and internationally and take whatever other steps are necessary to defend what we have and what we need to retain in order to build for the future.”
Now I like Mike Russell, but even so, I’m curious. If I was to make the question into a poll, I wonder how many people would think Holyrood refusing legislative consent to the Bill constitutes doing something, or pretty much constitutes doing nothing.
“You’re in need a good hard slap aboot the chops, and I’m happy to travel .”
Banned. What is the matter with people? What on Earth made you think I’d consider that an acceptable way for people to conduct themselves on this site? How many fucking times have I had to tell people to can the personal abuse? I am sick to death of commenters behaving like primary-school children.
The ‘trans’ agenda is a U N agenda that’s why Nicola Sturgeon is pushing it .She is taking orders
Cameron,
The sex classes of “male” and “female” are a reflection on human biology, which is indeed a spectrum. That’s why you get butch women and effeminate men.
I’m afraid you’re wrong on this one. In humans there are 23 pairs of chromosome. 22 are the same in males and females. In the 23rd females have XX and males have XY. These are just labels that describe what they look like, see link to ghr.nlm.nih.gov to get a good idea.
So as far as biology is concerned in humans there are 2 and only 2, strictly binary sexes. These chromosomes are simply the instructions for building the machine that build the proteins that build the person. It’s how this machinery works that creates the spectrum of characteristics that we see in people. All kinds of things can disrupt it – the mother expressing too much estrogen during development, chemicals in the environment disrupting homone production, etc. etc. etc.
It’s worth noting that about 1 in 4500 babies are born inter-sex, with ambiguous genitalia. Yes, you read that right 0.02%. That’s a number almost too small to be worth bothering about. But yet, here we are.
On another note. Generally you post something that appears to at least appears to be relevant. However, if you still hope to make people sit up and take notice that there is a fundamental basis to law and avoiding that leads to trouble, then I’m afraid that ship sailed a long time ago and now you are just pissing into the wind.
2020 in a single picture
link to twitter.com
@Stu
You’re right to ban anyone acting this way.
I know you value freedom of expression, and with due deference to the fact this is your site and your rules etc, can’t you at least see why folk are pissed off with Cameron’s tsunami of links and his “de haut en bas” sneering? That clown is making BTL comments a much less attractive prospect for many. I can’t for the life of me understand why you put up with his BS.
And the article in which I found that photo is not particularly OT
I’m numb to crazy stuff Trump says, but utterly terrified of crazy stuff Americans believe
link to archive.is
@Andy,
Cameron only uses evidence base practice to back up his thoughts. Lots of people do the same thing.
Admittedly not as “dry” as the academia Cameron posts but nonetheless they use references to back their point.
It’s pretty easy to skip over if you do not like it.
Dear Stu
Give it a fucking rest !! “Tactics of Fascism ” Come on min get a grip. Outside your small group of sycophantic contributors the vast majority of the Yes community are sick and tired of this obsessiveness over the SNP and gender politics. Please take this on board and have a holiday and then get back to what you do best fighting for Scottish Independence. Suppose I’ll need to get ma coat now as I expect to be banned from your Kingdom.
Yep. It’s depressing as hell.
@Ian Stewart,
Is that your opinion of do you now speak officially for the “majority” of the Yes community? Never got to that meeting In afraid,
ian stewart
You think a party which thinks men can become women
And that you should go to jail for denying this
Is going to lead Scotland to independence.
Best of luck!
Fascism? that’s not fascism Stu…
My mum always said, don’t criticize until you’re perfect yourself, the ideal here is of course that inevitably your own flaws will make an arse out of your own beliefs, claiming to be perfect so you’re in a position to criticize, yet we just cant prove we’re perfect in order to make the claim in the first place. So when we criticize we need to accept we may just be making an arse of ourselves.
In this instance for example we have people who at the very least think they are a different gender/sex than what they are perceived to be by traditional values, and I can understand this perspective, is there any reason why anyone wouldn’t accept this? is there a problem with accepting that what these people believe to be true may actually be true and should absolutely be respected out of common decency, is there a reason it should never be respected? is there a reason why it shouldn’t be allowed?
and the answers to these questions are quite easy to ascertain/obtain, as we already have precedence of these instances and are part of our civilization model, those of us in the community who may believe something completely void of any evidence other than peoples words, thoughts and feelings, no other demonstrable evidence is needed to make such a thing recognized in law as something that should be respected, it is seen every day in the UK and around the world, in the form of religion.
Now if we are to take the argument that because I think Religious people are crazy and shouldn’t be recognized whatsoever, so under normal circumstances without the recognized demand for respect in the law, every one of them is locked up for being a lunatic with an imaginary friend as a complete inability to prove gods existence makes them guilty, I also demand that under no circumstances should Catholics for example be able to enter the same toilets as non crazy people, as they have a history of pedophilia, and protecting pedophiles…
being a reverend for example, demanding people show evidence in order for what they believe to be respected… must make it hard to type with that big brass neck, the title that you assign to yourself, isn’t something that’s foisted upon someone else, its something that you do to yourself, so cant in any way be recognized as fascism, its called a choice, giving people more choice is not fascism Stu, taking choices away is or denying them is, you, are the one desiring fascism on this subject. it is interesting to hear that going by your own logical path you don’t think you as a religious person should have that right at all to be religious, and most certainly shouldn’t enter any toilet where small children can be found as you obviously pose a danger to them, and strange that you maintain the title referend with such strong beliefs that you shouldn’t be allowed to…
I guess you really don’t believe those things you seem so affronted by at all…
Fergus Denoon
You are saying I would have to wait until your mum decided I was perfect before I could judge this guy
45-year-old Man Claims He Identifies as 8-year-old Girl in Child Porn Defense
link to archive.is
Looking through the Twitter accounts of prominent ‘liberal’ minded remainers I noted that none of them ….and they have their political fingers on the pulse apparently…..have highlighted the BBC removing the daily updates of the FM.
Strange because they are all up in arms about the rising cases in Covid and the inaction of the UK Government.
Mind you I am sure the fact that Labour’s involvement in this in no way prohibits them from mentioning it…pre 2019 GE they were all Lib Dem cheer leaders….now that they have converted to the pro Starmer Labour they surprisingly (not) seem to have omitted this crucial event….had this cancelling of the daily update been ALL Tory led then they would have been trumpeting it from their respective Twitter accounts……strange they cast aspersions so frequently on the Tories while they themselves are so blatantly hypocritical and not averse to omitting what should be seen as a politically motivated action by a so called public broadcaster….and initiated by a political party..Labour.
Sure it is just an oversight….but one they will maintain unless forced to mention….in passing only…..
Come Indy Ref 2 these ‘liberal’ minded remainers will find they will have to dine at the table of those they currently prefer to sh*t on…….another unholy alliance will be formed because needs must…..consort with their enemy will be the order of the day……perhaps it is not just the real elites we should target all our energies upon but instead reserve some of our energy upon the middle class ‘liberal’ minded opinionated and influential do gooder elites who see everything through what works for them and them alone….they pretend they want fairness and honesty but are as selective as to who deserves this treatment as the Tory government they are currently trying to demolish via words……on Twitter and their online political paper…the Byline Times.
Come Indy Ref 2 we who live in Scotland are on our own…best we blackout the dissenters irrespective of how ‘liberal’ they seem as it would appear we Scots are only useful when we are prepared to shore up THEIR causes and politics and once we deviate we too become the enemy of the prominent ‘liberal’ minded remainers…….these people were part of the ” Don’t leave us Scotland we love you” brigade…..
Scots need to cancel out …..all incoming ‘friendly’ fire as well as hostile…instead should inform ourselves via research and choose not to listen to listen to debates , news, political discussions or subjective biased opinions via any MSM outlet if we are to make the right decision….for us and us alone.
Got that out…anther rant in the bag…at end of a post….just more words in the wilderness….perhaps action at a time when the opponents find themselves on the ropes is too much to ask…will the SNP take THIS opportunity to realise NOW is THE time to move or will they wait again for their opponents to regroup…timing is everything apparently.
Stuart MacKay
Don’t take me wrong. I appreciate being corrected, but I’m not sure if my explanation contradicts yours, just because I failed to acknowledge the way that environmental factors influence human reproduction? Care to explain where we clash?
Also, why not ask me to explain any point you can’t see relevance for, rather than assume it is no relevance or significance?
As far as I understand it, for >99% of the population sex is binary – in that hey are men/women in the classical definition, and are attracted to men/women in the classical definition.
For some a number of people it is manifestly *not* the case that sex is binary, and I guess if I would be in that position I would not be happy if I were de-facto erased – esp. from legal documents, so I think it is right not to talk about ‘opposite sex’ in a bill.
I must admit I am a bit surprised that the government, with all the resources it has, hasn’t found a better way of addressing the issue…
@ Me @ 1.12pm
“another rant in the bag…at end of a post”…spelt ‘another’ as anther….actually quite like new word anther…sounds old worlde ‘an ther will be a new word’…Lol
Ach…nearly got last post….thought it was finished via new thread today …..one day..one day….will get the last comment….so will THIS be the last post of this thread….probably not….Lol
@ Bob Mack
‘Cameron only uses evidence base practice to back up his thoughts. Lots of people do the same thing.
Admittedly not as “dry” as the academia Cameron posts but nonetheless they use references to back their point.’
It’s pretty easy to skip over if you do not like it.
I entirely agree and for ‘de haut en bas’ others nearly always use it first to Cameron. I think anyone should be able to scroll past any comment they dislike or, if it is distasteful, report it but don’t try to browbeat anyone to stop posting here for it makes anyone doing it look worse than what they complain about.
Christian Schmidt
Nobody is trying to deny the existence of the dysphoric, but I most strongly object to Scots law being being forced to shape itself around a clinical disorder (dysphoria is the disorder between an individual’s psychology and their physiology).
@
‘In this instance for example we have people who at the very least think they are a different gender/sex than what they are perceived to be by traditional values, and I can understand this perspective, is there any reason why anyone wouldn’t accept this?’
Yes. I won’t accept that if I am attacked by a male who identifies as female, that in court I would be compelled to call him a woman. if I was raped by a man who identifies as a woman I do not want a court that talks of ‘her penis’ and says ‘she’ would be too vulnerable to be placed in a male prison, but be placed with other women who may also be attacked.
I’m all for according people respect for what they want to be and would accommodate them from politeness by calling them ‘she’ or ‘he’ so long as they are polite towards me and society in general. Live and let live. However when their lives can cause damage to lives of women like me there is a conflict which all the repeated calls of ‘bigot/transphobe’ name calling and TWAW mottoes will not overcome. Until some semblance of balance is brought back into this debate, Self ID and ‘acceptance without exception’ of what people say they are is never going to be forced down my throat no matter who says it or what they try. There has to be gatekeeping.
Your ‘ giving people more choice is not fascism Stu, taking choices away is or denying them is’ is my ‘taking away my rights as a woman to have woman only spaces’. When those rights conflict there will always be problems. Anyone who truly supports trans people and is not merely misogynist should work out how to ensure both trans women and women can come to accommodation rather than shouting ‘transphobe’ until all fear of being labelled by the word is gone.
Cameron,
We don’t clash but you should back up your knowledge of the law with some biology. You’d be on a much firmer footing with your assertions.
To re-iterate on my second point. You’re really wasting your time with the flood of links. You’d get more respect and maybe even some traction if you wrote stuff (dare I say a blog) and used the links you post to back your case. Then you’d have a distinct audience, could still participate here and fulfill your education mission at the same time.
Stuart MacKay
“We don’t clash but you should back up your knowledge of the law with some biology. You’d be on a much firmer footing with your assertions.”
I appear to have failed to articulate my argument sufficiently clearly, which I can accept as I’m very rusty, though I wasn’t anything particularly special even when in practice. I lack the competence to blog, so I’d need to learn. Do you think we have the time for that?
Environmental Law for Biologists
Biology and the Law
link to academic.oup.com
As the next post is up, here’s some links.
Water, Air, and Soil Pollution volume 205, pages 87–89 (2010)
Three Laws of Biology
link to link.springer.com
Systems and Synthetic Biology. 2010 Mar; 4(1): 7–13.
Laws of biology: why so few?
link to ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
A Biological Theory of Law: Natural Law Theory Revisited
link to ssrn.com
@ Mike Cassidy
No, I’m not, as I tried and maybe failed to explain; there’s no point waiting until anyone is perfect, that is completely illogical, so you work on the assumption we can be wrong about our criticism.
I haven’t read the link, but I’d assume a person would have no problem judging this case, being a “girl” doesn’t negate guilt in a child porn case, claiming that you’re “8 years old” doesn’t negate guilt in a child porn case, I would accept the person was an 8 year old girl and then sentence them guilty, if guilty, in a child porn case, they’d then go to jail for 4 years.
The smile on their face may drop when they understand that the 4 year jail term translated to their own linier scale will have them in jail for 22.5 years.
I think the point is that these choices that are given are not something that can be used in a court of law as a defense, our solar cycle is not something we have a choice about, and men and women are subject to the same laws so it would never matter if you were one or the other, being a man or a woman would not have any influence on the outcome of the case, which just leaves the defendant trying to convince a court that our solar system doesn’t work as everyone else recognizes it to, and in any case it still wouldn’t help as his age would be relative in whatever conversion rate was used, and wouldn’t gain any advantage at all.
@ Fergus Denoon
‘wouldn’t gain any advantage at all.’
In regards to age maybe, in the case as stated but not when they say they are men who identify as women, for then they have the advantage of being placed in a female prison where they generally have less harsh conditions and which has left quite a few the ability to abuse, sexually and otherwise, vulnerable women in the female prison who have to choice about saying no.
Your ‘ giving people more choice is not fascism Stu, taking choices away is or denying them is’ is my ‘taking away my rights as a woman to have woman only spaces’. When those rights conflict there will always be problems. Anyone who truly supports trans people and is not merely misogynist should work out how to ensure both trans women and women can come to accommodation rather than shouting ‘transphobe’ until all fear of being labelled by the word is gone. Self ID will never be right when it can impact on other people as this does. I believe in live and let live, but not when my rights as a woman are taken away.
I’m not sure if a political approach to Scotland’s peril will suffice, as Britain’s political and media environments are dysfunctional. Turning a blind eye to the principles of constitutional and international law will certainly not help our cause.
link to inhouselawyer.co.uk
Sorry, wrong thread.
@ Polly @ 3.40pm
Polly I totally agree with your statement re “vulnerable women in the female prison who have to choice about saying no”….
To place She-Males in a women’s prison for no other reason than they self ID as a woman almost makes a mockery of the quote ” You do the crime You do the time”……adds a proviso of ” on YOUR terms though” for the She-Males….where as women in female prisons who are forced to share with She-Males are offered the crumbs of another quote “Like it or lump it”……..
@ Me @ 3.56pm
Sorry my mistake should be ““vulnerable women in the female prison who have NO choice about saying no”…..
Polly together we as women …with other women….will decide what we think is best for women…..and will never apologise for doing so……and like you I endorse ” to each their own” but never at the cost of diminishing someone else…..
Clapper57 and Polly very well said it is not for males to decide what women should suffer or give up rights to , as males we have NO concept or understanding of what it is to be a woman end of , and as for people who have genuine dysphoria they are ALREADY accommodated in the 2010 equalities act , the GRA amendments IMO are designed to accommodate a growing number of deviants who are using genuinely confused individuals as a smokescreen to access their sordid ambitions
And that is without even taking account of the golden financial opportunities of big pharma
And as a fully paid up member of the tinfoil hat brigade I have always been aware of any governments proclivity to diversionary tactics , or as we Scots call it , OH look a squirrel
Blog published on 30 July 2018. Over two years ago.
Prescient, as always.
link to oboporopob.wordpress.com
I’m telling you now, on the current Scottish (?) leadership Holyrood will fold in March 2021.
See you back here in 6 months.
I won’t be around, mind you.
@ twathater @ 4.52pm
🙂
Have a nice evening
Gender debate latest news?
@Clapper57
Yes my mistake not to make sure it was NO. I’m glad we agree and I know many, probably most, women do.
@ twathater
Thank you for standing with us on this. Since this issue arose many women have quickly realised who the good guys are.
Cameron dear boy
You are a victim of your own verbosity and your inexactitude is astounding lol
One bag o wind replying to another bag o wind and another bag o wind replying to the first two bags o wind
Be better calling ths place, The Bag O Wind Show
And Porto Rico is stll pissing off the unionists on youtube with his comebacks and witty repartee lol
And alba_tross, he is my fav, in fact we could be twins lol
A simple question does Jordan Henderson still work in the SNP?
He was supposed to be gone