The Pit Of Vipers
It’s hard to know where to start with the Sunday Mail’s lead story today.
Especially if one doesn’t want sent to prison.
So we hope you’ll forgive us if we’re extra-careful.
The article contains things even we’d never read before.
The Mail has redacted some of the names, but – well, we’re not going to say any more about that. The anonymity order protecting the complainers who made the false allegations about Salmond operates in such a way that a judge can essentially imprison anyone on a whim, with no proper legal process.
(Contempt of court is not technically a criminal offence, so all the legal protections that normally apply to those accused of a crime are thrown in the bin.)
But what leaps out from the document is how much the people in the WhatsApp group loathed the greatest leader in the SNP’s history, to the point where they wanted to see him die in prison for crimes he didn’t commit.
So much so that they were willing to completely make things up.
Once again, readers, we ask you to bear in mind what we can’t tell you. While some of these messages are shocking in their own right, if we were allowed to reveal who was saying them and what those people went on to become, the idea that there WASN’T a conspiracy against Salmond, led from the very top of the SNP, would be instantly obviously farcical.
The messages published by the Mail – and the paper holds several damning ones that it has chosen, or been advised by its lawyers, NOT to publish – show a group of people who explicitly say that they DON’T think they were victims of any crime, but who nevertheless were willing to act in concert with each other in order to have Salmond imprisoned anyway.
(There must be a shorter way to say that last sentence, you’d think.)
Three of the people whose names AREN’T redacted in the Mail’s piece and which feature prominently are Peter Murrell (then CEO of the SNP), Sue Ruddick (then Chief Operating Officer of the SNP) and Ian McCann (then Compliance Officer of the SNP). Apart from Nicola Sturgeon, they were the party’s three most senior executives at the time.
It speaks volumes for the total corruption of the Scottish establishment that Nicola Sturgeon feels sufficient impunity to continue to insist, absurdly, that the three top officers of the party she led – one of whom she also shared a home and a camper van with – would for even the briefest moment have countenanced embarking on such a momentous endeavour without, at the very least, her full knowledge and backing.
And yet nor has she spoken a single word in criticism or condemnation of any of them. Not once has she suggested any of them might have “gone rogue” or exceeded their remit, even after Salmond was cleared of every single charge the WhatsApp group managed to concoct.
On the contrary, everyone associated with the conspiracy has been defended and/or rewarded by her, even when found to have acted with the most appalling incompetence and/or malice.
Nor even would revulsion at Salmond’s (imaginary) crimes serve as an explanation for the depth of animus. Because remarkably, this week Wings was contacted by a former SNP activist with this story:
“The plot against Alex Salmond had been going on since at least 2013. I was a mature student and just prior to graduation I campaigned in the Mark McDonald by-election. I’d responded to a call from Alex stating that we needed campaigners to go to Aberdeen as the seat was crucial to maintaining the majority.
I lived in Broughty Ferry at the time and was part of that branch, and told them I was available to assist in Aberdeen for a few days if needed.
I was told that Shona Robison would pick me up. She arrived in a smallish silver 4×4 and we headed off to Aberdeen. I’d never met her before, or anyone official in the SNP. We talked about a local Labour issue that had involved my university, and we talked about the people that we both knew.
Before we had got to Tealing, she said to me “What do you think about Alex Salmond?”
It was Alex Salmond that drew me in to the SNP – I hung off his every word. Then she turned around to me and said “He’s not very well liked within the party”.
I was stunned, he’d just brought the SNP to a huge victory, I remember thinking at the time “I’ve never met you before, I could be anybody”. He was First Minister, she was Minister for Sport. I remember thinking the exchange was bizarre.
Then we got to Aberdeen, Sturgeon was there. I only saw her for about 2 mins and I think she went off with Shona to campaign. I remember we arrived at a Spar opposite some tall flats in Mastrick and met up with Shona and maybe about 8-10 other campaigners having lunch. I remember Shona ate a long egg baguette.
I’m a heavy smoker but I’m conscious of the smoke, so I stood a few metres back, they were sat on some benches opposite these flats, and then she does it again to those that were sitting with her – “What do you think of Alex Salmond?”, and then the exact same line repeated that “he’s not very well liked within the party”.
I nearly choked on that cigarette, but what I noticed was that this was obviously a well-rehearsed routine.
When Alex he talked about conspiracy, this strange encounter always comes to mind, this was 2013, the SNP were on a crest of a wave, I remember thinking that Shona was a block of wood, and did she really think that she was responsible for the SNP’s current success. I’ve always seen her as glaikit and a hanger-on that was in the right position at the right time.”
[PLEASE NOTE: To the limit of Wings’ knowledge, Shona Robison had no involvement in the criminal allegations against Alex Salmond.]
It’s an astonishing story. At the time Alex Salmond had led the SNP to its first ever election victory, then to an unprecedented Holyrood majority, and then to an independence referendum, and yet one of his own ministers – a close ally and longstanding personal friend of Salmond’s deputy, who would succeed him if he fell – was touring the country dripping poison in the ears of groups of activists even as the party tried to defend its fragile Parliamentary majority.
If that was how senior SNP figures (Robison would go on to become Deputy FM after Sturgeon’s resignation, having thrown her “dear friend” under the bus when it was politically expedient) were treating Salmond when he and the SNP were the undisputed masters of all they surveyed in Scotland, it doesn’t take a massive leap to imagine how gleefully they would seize on the opportunity to stick the knife in him a few years later.
We’re not allowed to tell you all the things that are missing from the Sunday Mail story, readers. But if you’ve got any wits about you at all, it already tells you everything you need to know about how Alex Salmond was utterly betrayed and then driven into the grave not by his political enemies, but by the people around him.
And perhaps even more painfully, so was the cause of Scottish independence.
It looks like you really need to be immoral, corrupt and incapable if you wish to be a politician
I have always voted in the past and with gritted teeth on occasion but I cannot see any one or any party worth wasting £9.00 per gallon petrol on.
Can we have an option to vote for the removal of every current politician in the country?
@ Effijy: Vote for people who aren’t party politicians. And have integrity and principles. There’s quite a few standing as independents or for small and/or new parties – parties which have never been near a gravy train.
I’m plumping for the Alliance to Liberate Scotland this time as it did attempt to bring all the pro-independence parties under an umbrella for independence and won’t have a party whip on any other issue.
In Yes Minister (Season 2, Episode 5), James Hacker describes his rival Basil Corbett as “a smooth-tongued, hardnosed, cold-eyed, two-faced creep”. When asked why such a person is successful, Hacker replies, “Because he’s a smooth-tongued, hardnosed, cold-eyed, two-faced creep.”
Salmond was no saint. But compared to the rest of the SNP….
A murrain on their parties, their houses, their incomes and their legacies..
They persecute an innocent and think it justice!
Nothing better than vultures..
Some nuSNP idiots online are saying “msm are trying to discredit the SNP before an election”. Well duh! And of course they were always going to keep stum whilst Salmond was alive. They couldn’t bear him coming back with his reputation intact and dragging the SNP back from the abyss. So they’ve released it after his death when some polls suggest another SNP majority might happen. Only the idiots now in charge of the SNP are going to be surprised by that!
I hope Moira gets some comfort in current events.
When this all comes out it’s going to be astonishing, provided the establishment don’t memory hole it, something of the level of James II’s Black Dinner or Darnley’s murder (except in this case the incompetence of the plotters meant their target was not eliminated)
But he was eliminated in the end. It just took a while.
Your last sentence says it all.
this really is massive
the whole jenga pile could go
I expect there is more to come
Never forget the part the BBC played in their programme, where only the prosecution evidence was reported.
Where they openly questioned the decision of the jury.
The establishment was behind Sturgeon and the conspirators. Once they protected Sturgeon, they pushed gender rights and crashed the party.
Yep, a coincidence!!!
This is clearly about a lot more than just a few senior people in the SNP.
Considering the significant number of senior UK civil servants and public and crown agencies involved in the prolonged hounding and prosecution, or rather persecution of Mr Salmond (and others in the independence movement), as well as the blanket immunity some received, and still do, it is not hard to see the role of the British state in all of this, also given its history of repressive imperialism, more especially whenever ‘colonialism is imperiled’ (Fanon) as it was and remains so in Scotland today.
You make a very important point Alf Baird.
The persecution against Salmond was aided and abetted by the Westminster deep state. Alex Salmond was a real danger to the British State.
Salmond ran them close in the 2014 Referendum. Closer than we maybe realise and there was no way that the SNP and Yes could be allowed to continue. Salmond when he came back had to be stopped.
Indeed, when he launched Alba, and the 2021 campaign recommending the second list votes to be given to Alba in an SNP1 and Alba 2 drive, which could and would have delivered something around 25 to 28 nationalist Alba MSPs to add to the SNP’s 62. A super majority with Salmond back big time.
And so the SNP turned its face against independence and not unsurprisingly against Alex Salmond in the most heinous of ways. Aided and abetted by the state and state actors so extant within the colony Alex was driven ultimately to his untimely death.
Was he killed or merely helped on his way. We shall never know but his death in North Macedonia could have been engineered. But one way or another the man who did most to overturn the colonial position of Scotland was out of the way.
Wings and others know more of the ploys of the state actors, the compromised. Its all been done before. Britain is the master of it, has done it all round the world. And now they work apace to dismantle the essences of what makes a nation.
Indians in their own land. Or is it aborigines. They slaughtered all of the indigenous aboriginal people in Tasmania. They gave Indians in Canada typhoid laced blankets. The killed and brutalised in Kenya. The blood never dried in the British Empire when it need to flow.
But today, the deep state has paralysed a political movement. But the dream has not died. And that is why we can win. And that is why we need to consolidate and redouble our efforts.
The hand of the British State is indeed all over this but if we realise that then we can do something about it. And yes, the colonies of the Great British Empire did something about it.
Aye Alf, and timing is everything.
Swinney has promised a second referendum if they get an SNP majority. Polls indicate they will get a majority.
Swinney desperately needs something to spike the SNP vote, so he doesn’t have to make good on his promise.
The Daily Mail will have known the full details of this scandal for a very, very long time. Interesting they choose now to reveal.
I make no comment upon any individual alleged to be connected with what appears to me to be a criminal conspiracy, however, more generally, if this doesn’t convince genuine supporters of Scottish independence that the best (and possibly last serious chance) of moving that cause forward is supporting independent candidates then I really have no idea what will.
SNP 1 & 2 ? Well, it could be a winning line on Comedy Club.
Nothing will change until the names are made public.
We all know who they are but as long as the law protects them it’ll be seen as a conspiracy theory only.
Protected by the courts and the polis.
We are governed by pathetic sickos.
The Late Alison Balharry who was the Yes Scotland Press Officer responsible for arranging Spokespeople to Radio and TV claime that as soon as Yes starting doing well in the Polls, Murrell and Sturgeon started interfering in her role and putting up numpties for Interview.
And was it in Dundee that the SNP made it difficult to distribute the Wee Blue Book? They wouldn’t have it on stalls etc.
@Sarah
I was in Dundee at the time. I distributed the wee blue book during the Independence Campaign. Dundee delivered a 57% Yes vote.Glasgow 53% albeit amongst a greater population. Hence Sturgeon saying at the Caird Hall post Referendum she couldn’t say what City was the Independence Capital. Sat on the fence again. A shape of things to come. I know who the major players were in the Salmond conspiracy. But I will go to jail if I tell you. And we have another grandchild coming along.The Banana Republic of Scotland.
Even just post Indyref the signs were there that the fledgling NuSNP wanted nothing to do with the grassroots Indy movement.
There was a march through Dundee late 2014 or maybe early 2015 which ended up in Fat Sam’s Club, where folk gave speeches.
Tommy Sheridan was there and on form, even stating during his speech instructing folk to vote SNP in the May 2015 GE, but I recall Stewart Hosie (Shona Robison’s then partner) would not be in the same building when Tommy was there.
That struck me as odd at the time, but it soon became all too apparent the reasons why as the NuSNP under Murrell/Sturgeon cabal chose to steer the Party in the wrong direction pretty much every time a path needed to be taken.
All they had to do was govern half competently after the EU vote created the material change in circumstances and the support for self-governence would follow, but instead they fucked up everything they could from trashing Party democracy and implementing unmandated and unwanted policies…
And after over a decade of all this shite playing out, far too many dumb as a box of rocks and unthinking Scots still choose to vote NuSNP.
Dan,
Very true. Some NuSNP MPs tried to split the grassroots into a class issue too, imo. A very British trait. Always with derogatory comments in the media & at Westminster about YES supporters, AUOB & R “McBots” online.
Angus Robertson, Stewart Mcdonald & “Daddy bear” the main culprits to put the boot in whenever they could about cybernats. That wasn’t by accident.
They treated the YES movement as their personal fan club they thought they could dictate to on how to behave & that shouldn’t have been allowed to happen after indyref. The YES movement wasn’t the SNP.
Sturgeon was a plant from the start. The moment she took over the party she dismantled all the Yes groups & party democracy with the help of Angus Robertson.
They’re still working on the class angle with BiS, imo. Trying to compete with AUOB on or around the same dates just to try split things up.
ASSASSINS!
cultured Prime of Miss Jean Brodie reference …
T
I’m not sure if it’s exactly what you were referring to but it’s worth listening to the lyrics of Marillions classic: Assassing
I am the assassin
With tongue forged from eloquence
I am the assassin
Providing your nemesis
On the sacrificial altar to success
– My friend
Unleash a stranger from a kiss
-My friend
No incantations of remorse
-My friend
Unsheathe the blade within the voice
-My friend
Who decorates the scarf with the fugi knot
Who camouflaged emotion in a thousand yard stare
Who gouged the notches from the family tree
Who hypnotised the guilt in career rhythm trance
Assassing
Assassing
Assassing
Assassing!
Listen as the syllables of slaughter
Cut with calm precision
Patterned frosty phrases rape your ears
And sow the ice incision
Apocalyptic alphabet casting spell
The creed of tempered diction
Adjectives of annihilation
Bury the point beyond redemption
Venomous verbs of ruthless candour
Plagiarise assassins fervour
A friend in need is a friend that bleeds
Let bitter silence infect the wound
You were a sentimental mercenary
In a free fire zone
Parading a Hollywood conscience
You were a fashionable objector
With a uniform fetish
Pavlovian slaver at the cash till ring of success
A non-com observer- I Assassin the collector- defector
So you resigned yourself to failure
-My friend
And I emerged the chilling stranger
– My friend
To eradicate the problem
-My friend
Unsheathe the blade within the voice
I am the assassin
I am the Assassing
And what do you call assassins
Who accuse assassins anyway?
My friend
Could be written for Tricky Nicky’s coven couldn’t it?
Swinney knows where every skeleton is buried and complacent in it all.
Millions paid out of public funds to individuals who were found to have been maliciously prosecuted and yet not one police officer or crown office official brought to justice.
Media that cannot report the true facts for fear of imprisonment.
Police / Media / Politicians that refuse to hold these individuals to account or investigate their actions.
Politicians of both genders who refuse to accept biological woman and who want to mutilate children.
This is 20 years of Scottish Government-the swamp needs drained. Sadly Joe Public will once again put them back in power. If it wasn’t so tragic for Scotland it would be laughable.
CHANNEL 4 NEWS
Alex Salmond interview (26 Mar 2021)
« But when are you going to apologise to the women??? »
link to youtube.com
I can’t wait for the day everyone of these bastards are named and held accountable in a court of law. There will be a lot f people with sweaty palms and sleepless nights over the next few weeks and months.
I suspect the names are more widely known that folks realise.
The hidden emerge, are exposed. That is inevitably appears always the case, and it will I suspect that this will happen here.
And then, a day of reckoning will lie ahead.
Starting with Sturgeon, dozens of these repulsive individuals should be facing charges and certain jail terms. It is obvious that a corrupt club, subordinate to the same ideology dominant at Westminster is running the show in Scotland. Unchecked self-interest rules. All this establishment club needed to offer Sturgeon was money and status and they would have sold out the world. If Sturgeon and her clique contented themselves with just stealing their wages from us we could have recovered from that. The vile ‘social justice’ theories they adopted from the US will take decades to get out of the national bloodstream. Well done to all you wankers in high positions in this Scotland that you clearly despise. I fucking loathe the lot of you, every single one of the poisonous, posing human trash on our quangoes, running our councils, topping our public bodies. For the rest of my life I will celebrate every single misfortune that falls on you and yours. Scum.
“the poisonous, posing human trash on our quangoes, running our councils, topping our public bodies”
Indeed, and according to Albert Memmi, in a colonial society we can expect at best only a very ‘mediocre meritocracy’; moreover, a meritocracy that ‘becomes accustomed to looking at its own people through the eyes of their procurer’, elites having adopted the dubious values of the colonizer which include ‘the crushing of the colonized’.
From this we may ascertain the type of people and values which persecuted Alex Salmond, and a great many other Scots fowk in various situations, for colonial rule is always synonymous with institutionalised racial discrimination and oppression.
Margaret Thatcher’s government famously attempted to ban Spycatcher (1987), a memoir by former MI5 officer Peter Wright that alleged illegal MI5 plots against Prime Minister Harold Wilson and a Soviet mole at the top of British intelligence. Despite a long, failed legal battle to suppress it in the UK and internationally, the book was published in Australia and the US, becoming a global bestseller and forcing the government into a public relations failure. – google
Surely questions must be asked of the judge, Dorrian WHY all these Whatsapp messages and other messages were NOT allowed to be produced by the defence council to further illuminate and highlight the conspiracy that was so openly engineered and constructed by senior members of a political party that are NOT above the LAW
Has there ever been any charges or investigation into a person who claimed to have been present at a scenario to support charges against Alex Salmond yet a witness who was actually confirmed present at the event denies their attendance at the event which would render their evidence or claims as wilful contempt of court and perjury
Because that’s not how evidence works, tw. Lady Dorrian considered them extraneous to the actual charges. That they are coming out now lays down an extra layer of comeuppance. The real sadness is that Mr Salmond did not get to witness it all.
Joanna Cherry is nobody’s fool and she is going to be dishing out a number of kickings in her book. Revenge is always a dish best served and eaten cold. She has suffered, too, at the hands of the top notchers at the SNP and has always been loyal to Salmond as well as principled. Flapping wings of pigeons coming home to roost.
One of these fine days, all the names of the women involved in Mr Salmond’s trial will come out, and it might even come through one of the women themselves, throwing aside the anonymity order.
The Lesbian pack.
@Dan 6:33pm
I have been criticised for my negativity on the Alliance for Scottish Independence. I was defrauded and robbed as an SNP member. I was robbed and defrauded by Alba as a member. And now they expect me to give unbridled support to Tommy Sheridan a witness in a Court case that was deemued uneliable. Not a third time. I am not voting at all.
George Ferguson,
I too constantly give donations to SNP and then the Alba Party and for what???
When Salvo started straight away I started given them donation to help fund the cause, then we started just not getting told what is happening. So I’ve stopped, I don’t give any money to anyone.
When people advocate not voting for me its a mistake I personally am glad I can vote and vote I will.
I have always used my vote for the cause of Scottish Independence and that’s what I’ve done this time.
@100%Yes
I have always voted too but there comes a time when not voting is a victory. If less than 50% of the Scottish Electorate in the forthcoming election vote, then none of them have a mandate for anything. Circa Swinney, Greer et Al.
The next step that is coming has been highlighted elsewhere. And that won’t be pretty.
George
“..then none of them have a mandate for anything.”
They didn’t have a mandate for Gender Reform/Self ID/ Assisted murder or juryless trials either but it didn’t stop them doing it anyway.
As far as I’m aware the Independence movement isn’t run by anyone. There are individual candidates standing. We’ve all lost out over the last twelve years of BS.
It doesn’t cost you anything to tick a box. That’s free. Who knows, it may even be the last at Holyrood.
Going to Juryless trials – I think I know now why that has been floated & by whom given the parliamentary privilege that was used last week in Westminster. So we should all scrub the Greens out of existence too.
@ George Ferguson: Congratulations on the grandchild – something cheerful to think about!
As for not voting, in my constituency we’ve got 16 on the list to choose from. Two independents, ISP, SFamilyP, SChristianP, SSocialistP, SLibertarianP, SRuralParty, as well as the Alliance. Any of those are less repellent to me than the SNP and other Unionist parties. Surely there must be someone in your Region you could vote for?
@Sarah
Your positively optimistic I will give you that. Tommy Sheridan was found guilty of 5 out of 6 Perjury charges. Spent time in Prison and now leads the Scottish Independence movement.i never had a single prosecution for anything. No speeding tickets, no parking charges just an educated Grandad with lots of real policies. Times up on the Scottish Independence movement. Enough of the gravy.
Well George, they do say Caveat Emptor and that fools and their money are easily parted… Plus you regularly state you like a flutter at the bookies, so maybe you need to reframe your trauma of fiscal losses as a leaning curve!
Me, I’m tighter than a shark’s arse at 50 fathoms when it comes to giving my hard-earned to and putting my trust in individuals, so I carry out due diligence to weigh up pros and cons of any transaction.
You and wider Scottish society may have been able to know more about the ATLS candidates and other previous initiatives if for instance the biggest site on Scottish politics gave some space to the concept.
But years have passed with “nothing going on in Scotland”, and without any much-needed light being given to germinate the seeds that could have brought about change; We find ourselves with just a few weeks to go to an election, and we shall reap what we sowed and grew; which will be a stunted much compromised result from what coulda and shoulda been.
@Dan
Well my only regret on the betting front is not backing Reform UK to get 20 MSPs at 8 to 1 last year. I didn’t strike the bet. Doh! When a convicted criminal leads the Scottish Independence movement you know the game is up. As for Stu he is the only Independence voice I would give money to.
Aye Dan, still too many Scots in denial of our colonial status, which is of course part of the ‘condition’:
link to salvo.scot
Much as I agree with the article, it does seem a bit too co-incidental that the Mail should decide (or be told) to release the story at this particular time.
Joan: Joanna Cherry’s book has blown the lid off a great deal. That is why they have released it now. Yes, they are very likely trying to spike the SNP’s guns, but the MSM do that, anyway, election or no election.
Joan WHY does it matter how , when , or who publishes the TRUTH , do you want a Scotland governed by LYING SCUM and BTW that includes ALL the unionist parties as we have experienced over decades
THIS parasitical , narcissistic , corrupt ,perverted deviant lying piece of shit has caused more misery in Scotland to normal Scots over 12 years than decades of LIEBOUR rule
Desperation for independence created the perfect situation for this depraved fuckwit to rule with unrestrained power , where the constant LYING promises of independence were fed to the gullible to keep her in office , remember wheesht for indy Nicola has a secret plan , look at Stu’s collation of indy promises and get ANGRY
TBQH I don’t care who exposes the TRUTH this piece of excrement must face the consequences of her TRE ason and BETRAYAL
Dorian Grey
One of the coven.
Look after each other they do..
What saddens me most of all is that it was shiver of grubby-minded, meaningless mediocrity which created a stagnant pool of filth in order to attempt to drown a great man who always tried his best to help people to swim in free Scottish waters. At the moment I’m not fond of many Scottish politician.
Kezia Dugdale appointed new chair of LGBT+ charity Stonewall.
The revolving door keeps revolving… Remember too, that Kez is Jenny Gilruth’s partner.
Everything she touches fall to bits, so good news. Not before she pockets wodges of lolly, of course.
Should have said: I hope Moira and the family get some relief from everything that’s coming out now. Scotland lost another Wallace-cum-Bruce when he died, hounded throughout his last years. If there is any justice, he will take his place beside these heroes some day soon. God knows, Scotland desperately needs a modern hero.
Well that’s Stonewall f$cked then..
Oh dear, what a shame, never mind 🙂
Could they not have also got Muriel Gray in as well to complete the destruction with fire?
And to think I was going to leave some money in my will to Shelter Scotland, no chance now if freeloaders like “it” are sponging off the charity money..
So how you good folks gonna vote now?
You know, I don’t actually believe that NS was behind it all, but she must have okayed it. She did nothing to stop the criminal allegations after the civil service hiding from the civil case. I have always thought that it was staffers and political people at the top of the SNP, aided and abetted by the civil service – who, remember, were warned by Whitehall not to pursue the civil case as it was flawed. That speaks to Westminster not necessarily being behind it all, but making hay while the sun shone, and, very likely, having instructed their agents in the SNP to keep the pot boiling.
Alec Salmond was, on a personal level, very personable, a little touchy-feely in a non-threatening way, but he could also be quite firm in his dealings and expectations, and he was always the consummate politician. No doubt he stood on a number of toes and I suspect, but have no proof, that his return to the leadership role after Swinney’s first foray as leader earned him several enemies at the top of the SNP.
I believe that NS made it impossible for him to not have her as deputy leader because she would have split the party with the youth vote. He knew that and the dual leadership was born. I think he gave her the benefit of the doubt when he might have achieved more with someone else. All water under the bridge now.
Unionists – usually those who never met him, but believed all the propaganda – were vociferous in their condemnation. I was stunned on several occasions by people’s enmity towards a man they had never met. It went way beyond the usual bad-mouthing the public can display towards politicians they do not like, and I believe it was because they knew he was something special and could lead Scotland out of the Union.
We are so intent on blaming Westminster for everything that we seem to be unable to take responsibility for our home-grown messes. For those with eyes, England is in turmoil in all its major cities, and could erupt any day, things are that volatile. That will afford independistas in all three satellite states to make their move. I think that Farage knows this full well, and all the Unionist parties in Scotland know that the game is almost up now. It won’t happen today or tomorrow, but when it does, and England collapses under the strain of policies it can no longer tolerate, it will be swift and we will be the least of their worries. Will we have the nous and courage to make our move? England wants its independence, too, and why not, but in a different way and once that is unleashed, we will have to choose to sink or swim.
NS was front and right dead center of it all she was in total control of the SNP, just ask dumb ass Peter Murrell.
She has no interest in males and yet she holds power over them just ask Swinney and speaking as a male if I walk past her I wouldn’t have a second look and regret the first one but wouldn’t repeat it.
Couldn’t agree more. She’s a nasty piece of work and you cross her at your peril. I remember reading an article by Dorothy Grace Elder were she recounted a story about refusing to move from a seat, at conference, in order to give Nicola a more prominent view. Nicola never spoke to her again and, in fact, pointedly ignored her! No one will ever convince me that she’s not up.to her neck in all of this!
I didn’t say she was not, 100%. I said that she did not kick it off, others did. The opportunity was too good to miss, and yes, a Salmond comeback would have been her loss, obviously. We are always far too quick to miss the wood because we concentrate on the trees.
There are those still at the top of the SNP who are the real movers and shakers, who are the assets of the British State, just as Trump is not the principal character in what is going down in America. We need to understand that the obvious person is not always the most toxic and poisonous.
I met Sturgeon briefly on the campaign trail with Salmond when they were campaigning to take the leader/deputy leader roles. I thought then that her heart was not fully with independence. She was nervous, but highly ambitious. It was nothing more than a feeling at the time. In fact, I met several of those who would fill ministerial roles afterwards, and none of them struck me as wholly engaged, in the way that Salmond was, with independence.
He was a one-off in his generation, I think, and that was his downfall in the end. We would be independent today had he not stepped down after 2014, and I believe he never fully realized the extent of the rot that had set in to the party until much later when he must have known that he had to make his move. I was always struck by how much he appeared to believe that others were as invested in independence as he had always been, and was deeply disappointed when he saw that they were not.
Lorncal
Of course she was behind it, individually or as a fully embedded major part of their own little Lord of the Flies clique.
Cliques do what cliques do and that is create “us” and “thems” for the sole benefit for the “us” and the detriment of the “thems”.
C’mon Lorncal you’re more savvy than that!
I am quite happy to be proved wrong, and I am absolutely sure that she knew everything and used it for her own ends. Goes without saying. However, she didn’t start the bin fire. I believe it started with the civil servants and spread. That she gave it all her blessing? Of that, there is little doubt. It has always intrigued me that Whitehall warned the Scottish contingent of civil servants that it would all blow up in their faces. They were protecting their own, but also NS. Several of those of her generation are MI5 agents. Again, there is little doubt about that. MI5 would be negligent if there were not several agents, whether known to each other our otherwise.
For the women, including the civil servants, it was personal: they detested Salmond and wanted him gone, whatever it took. I have always maintained that one or two of them never wanted to give evidence but were threatened with subpoena, and the WhatsApp’s bear that out now. They are the weak link. The malice behind it you can almost touch.
For others, including the MI5 agents, it was all about preventing Salmond from making a come-back – as he would have done, sooner rather than later – but it was not all Westminster/Whitehall either. They decided to make hay while the sun shone, and I have always believed that it was a conspiracy within a conspiracy, the one driving the other. You need look no further than NI to see how MI5/6 operate. They will protect their agents at all costs, even if it means allowing a free hand to malignant morons who can’t see the wood for the trees.
Anyone in Scotland who is serious about independence and its aftermath needs to study both the Eirann examples and the NI examples to see what we will be up against, and I really don’t believe that most people understand, and certainly not most of the supposed independence-supporting MSPs and MPs. The few who may understand lack the courage to face the problems head-on, anyway. The lack of nous, forward thinking and planning, but essentially, the courage of their so-called convictions, is dire. In the end, the Salmond story is one of internal, Scottish treachery and malignancy – self-sabotage – far more than it is about Westminster and Whitehall. It was a cheap, lickspittle, petty, nasty, sickening, little intrigue which some found themselves caught up in and others positively and gleefully promulgated.
YL: not saying she wasn’t at the centre. Just that she did not kick the thing off, I believe. Others did. I think it was brewing before that. This is the problem we have. We never seem to see the bigger picture, but fixate on the wee one and miss all the nuances, all the extraneous information. I think the knives were out for Salmond well before 2014, but the civil service/staffer movers and shakers provided the ammunition much later when it seemed as if he might make a comeback.
The Salmond affair has all the hallmarks of a male conspiracy, masking a female one, and one right at the heart of the SNP. The women provided the background. Every sexual scandal in politics has men behind it, not women. The women provide the damning evidence which is used to destroy someone, but they are, generally speaking, as a sex class, far more volatile, jealous and petty. Men out to bring down another man are cold and calculated. Sorry, not trying to stir up a sex war, just telling it as it is. Willie, at the bottom of the page, gives a very succinct example of how the great Cicero met his end at the hands of cold-blooded conspirators.
That doesn’t exonerate NS in any way, but the MeTOO movement, albeit a very real and necessary tool to show up the lesser sexual assaults that women endure, went too far, and was used to full effect in the Salmond affair. The weakest parts of the trial evidence showed that all too powerfully. Yes, the women brought some silly, weak evidence that should never have passed the criminal hurdle for evidence, but, if sexual scandals from every era and every corner of the globe are anything by which to judge, men were behind this just as much, or more than, NS. Not exonerating her or Whitehall. Just saying that the bigger picture has been missed.
Lorncal
Disagree with you on this one.
Ok, Just for a moment; imagine Sturgeon was an instigator or ringleader.
What would you EXPECT her subsequent actions to be in the event of an inquiry?
– Lose all messages, including burner phones (her and her mostly female aids)? Tick.
– Develop selective memory under questioning? Tick.
– Take the huff when her target was cleared and lack the grace to accept it, even questioning it? Tick.
– Attempt to rewrite history in an autobiography? Tick.
– Under questioning (tv panel “show”) divert all after the issue non-actions to her target, not herself? Tick.
These are all actions “later”. We can not fully address the ones before as they are redacted or withheld by her lapdog doting male FOLLOWER Swinney..
Lorncal, you ARE starting a sex war on this one.
She is a controlling malicious devious mendacious vindictive character whose control freak personality needed no extraneous (specifically) male “controlling handling” on this or any other matter.
As far as Cynicus goes, we’ll try another and update it; “Et Tu Nicola?”..
Amen. Wake up time folks.
Yet a third will still turn out and vote for them. If it’s depressing what this story says about the SNP, it’s even more depressing what it says about the electorate.
I never thought I could hate a politician like I hated Thatcher. Then along came non stick Nicky
Best wishes to Craig Murray who is incapacitated abroad:
« It was not my intention to run for election to the Scottish parliament from a hospital bed in Caracas, but sometimes we have to take what life gives us…. I went to a clinic a week ago feeling dizzy and was immediately rushed to hospital. My heart rate was fluttering and below 20 bpm. I have since had an emergency procedure to fit a pacemaker…. I am not withdrawing from the election…. »
link to craigmurray.org.uk
To refresh memories…
short article by Gordon Dangerfield about Craig Murray’s imprisonment by Lady Dorrian:
THE CROWN CAME FOR CRAIG MURRAY (July 29, 2021)
link to gordondangerfield.com
Who is Lady Dorian Grey?
Judge Dredd; ye know – police, judge, jury and executioner?
Stinks.
No doubt she’ll be elevated to the Supreme Court for services rendered.
I can’t be the only person with no idea who the accusers (including the perjurers allowed to walk free) are but would sure like to know now as “in the public interest”.
Gaun the newspapers (for once in my opinion) name and shame the whole bourash of plotters and schemers..
Given our colonial condition, which depends on repression, we are reminded why:
“..the native seldom looks for justice in the colonial framework” (Memmi).
Baby Trump says.
When was the last time you said to yourself:
I’m going to be Better, Bigger than ever before. I’m going to be like nothing that’s ever been seen?
Did you miss out, “More beautiful” intentionally ?
I didn’t think I could be any more sickened by the SNP but here we are
re : “deleted” messages …
if any of you folks think you can access secure messaging and you are not a linux hacker, I have an investment opportunity for you.
How many dipshits (crims with “encrypted” phones) have dobbed themselves in it by blabbing on the phone thinking no one was listening?
Likewise, these “deleted messages” are sitting somewhere on a server at GCHQ – it is sucked up at source at the ISPs and telephone switches; they have it, and they can crack it. Blackberry was the last thing they couldn’t crack (london riots 2012) and they got rid of that; assume the crypto is nerfed and don’t think apple or google wouldn’t turn you over in a flash.
Applying some logic we see how the SNP support the union; if Sturgeon was an enemy of the state and the state “had the goods on her”, do you not think they would use it to destroy her?
Of course they would, but no, they protect her.
Anyone who wants to be genuinely naughty, you need to go the full unabomber.
The Lord said to Moses Chisel out two tablets….
Beggars (fresh from Church)
If he was the Lord and Creator of all things then why did he need both a “person” and a “chisel”?
I thought he just said “let there be (whatever)” and Bobs yer Uncle..
Maybe he reckoned the “burning bush” had been a bit too showy and surreal to get the message across.
Then again; “get the message across”;
So why did he do a Red Road Flats to the Tower of Babel and prevent humanity from using the same language to understand each other?
Clinically (not pleasantly) confused if you ask me..
Then there’s the complete lack of consistency too;
Why has Maggie Chapman and “LGB(whatever) Scotchland under age pedos” not received the Soddom and Gammorah treatment eh?
Fairs fair or was he fashionable way ahead of his time and thought like Von Trumphausen and Nutty-yahoo that brown people are at least more expendable on a ratio of at least 1000 to 1?
Young Lochinvar writes @ 20 April, 2.23am: “So why did he do a Red Road Flats to the Tower of Babel and prevent humanity from using the same language to understand each other?”
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Maybe I can take this opportunity to share something I wrote years ago:
« The single language of Babel is refracted into the many. Why? To deliver us from the tyranny of pagan thought-control which a monopolistic world language threatens. To deliver us from the silence which totalitarianism always seeks to impose on the populace in its grip. God leads the jailbreak. For freedom Christ has set us free, free to seek God while he may be found and where he may be found (though he is not far from any of us).
« And each language is a searchlight with which to seek him. A fissure, a hole punched in the wall of silence. Each language is a critique of silence. And if all languages fail but one will we think that progress? Progress that one tongue should consume all others? Is each language not a unique articulation of reality, a treasure-house of wisdom? And as each language dies does a light not go out for ever? Does a door not close forever in the human mind? Is one more route of escape not denied the human soul?
« Is a monolithic monolingual Babel not being rebuilt block by block as successive languages fall finally silent? Are we so naive as to imagine that if mankind speaks only one language – be that language even English (!) – then civilization will somehow expand apace? If the grand piano swallows all the other instruments in the orchestra what will become of symphonies? Will not even pianists in time wince and wonder if there might be more to music than this?
« One of those beams of light from Babel is called Scottish Gaelic. It is flickering and fading. It was in our stewardship but we have neglected it. If it goes out there will be one less route of escape for mankind. One less window through which to look for and find God. Let us act. Before the light fails. Before the wisdom dies. Before the silence steps closer. »
Speaking personally I have no interest in any deity that creates childhood cancer. Just saying.
Bullshit.
Fearghas
Interesting hypothesis Fearghas but ultimately one I don’t hold with.
If people spoke the same tongue we could relate, heck just try speaking either with a Dutch person that doesn’t “conveniently” already speak English?
Impossible.
It’s all myth anyway but the point is if we all spoke the same then us and them dissipates.
And just think, English and by default greater @Engerlund@ may never have existed!!
🙂
Win win 🙂
Bottom line, a multiplicity of different languages are a barrier and the book of Genesis was just putting a positive spin on it.
Young Lochinvar @ 20 April 9.41 pm: “Bottom line, a multiplicity of different languages are a barrier”.
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National borders are a barrier. Front doors are a barrier. Pseudonyms are a barrier. So what universal language do you propose? How will it be imposed? How will you dispose of recalcitrant utterances? (Actually, the latter has been pretty much achieved historically in Scotland). Orwell’s description of Newspeak is of course an obvious starting-point (and we can well compare this with our recent and ongoing experience of legally enforced “trans-speak”):
« The purpose of Newspeak was not only to provide a medium of expression for the world-view and mental habits proper to the devotees of Ingsoc, but to make all other modes of thought impossible. It was intended that when Newspeak had been adopted once and for all and Oldspeak forgotten, a heretical thought – that is, a thought diverging from the principles of Ingsoc – should be literally unthinkable, at least so far as thought is dependent on words.
« Its vocabulary was so constructed as to give exact and very subtle expression to every meaning that a party member could properly wish to express, while excluding all other meanings and also the possibility of arriving at them by indirect methods. This was done partly by the invention of new words, but chiefly by eliminating undesirable words and by stripping such words as remained of unorthodox meanings, and so far as possible of all secondary meanings whatever.
« To give a single example. The word free still existed in Newspeak, but it could only be used in such statements as ‘This dog is free from lice’ or ‘This field is free from weeds’. It could not be used in its old sense of ‘politically free’ or ‘intellectually free’, since political and intellectual freedom no longer existed even as concepts, and were therefore of necessity nameless. Quite apart from the suppression of definitely heretical words, reduction of vocabulary was regarded as an end in itself, and no word that could be dispensed with was allowed to survive. Newspeak was designed not to extend but to diminish the range of thought, and this purpose was indirectly assisted by cutting the choice of words down to a minimum. »
(George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four (Harmondsworth, 1968), pp. 241-2)
Fearghas
I thought we were talking about a mythical Tower of Babel timeline?
Not a modern language imposition.
Anyway apparently there are six big language groups that split into something like 143 sub sets before you even get into individual languages.
Aye, the Big Yin really helped our worldwide development there eh!
At least (in simplistic terms) mathematics and physics is universal and we don’t have infinite versions that are incomprehensible to each other:-)
One for Android and one for iOS? 🙂
Beggars (fresh from church)
“Bullshit”
Hmmm..
Fan of Chapman are you then?
Have you read Fearghas’s piece?
The big yin would have needed a lot more than 2 tablets to “get the message across” to so many different languages then eh?
Fact is though, “chosen people” the Hebes have never actually really given a stuff about the others eh, just ask the Jebusites (amongst many others)..
Just saying, it’s in their book after all if you care to read it.
Your anti Semitic dribble is frothing over.
Nothing like a reference about Judaism to weed out the anti Semitic arse wipes.
Beggars old boy!
What have I said that’s anti Semitic ya gas-lighter ye?
If you can’t take what’s written in the Torah (essentially the Old Testament) then you’ve lost the discussion there and then.
Slam dunk..
And if you think what Is Rye Ale is doing in the ME is great then you’ve lost the plot and are an unconscionable rogue with absent moral standards, just like the proto-fascist statements you make here regularly.
Stick to saying people are wankers, yer on safer ground there.
Oh, one for Android and one for iOS? 🙂
Android or iOS? 🙂
One of the amusing things that comes out of the Whatsapp exchanges is that some of the conspirators appeared to loathe each other even more than they hated Alex. I guess when you spend all your time in a cesspit it’s inevitable that you’ll turn into vermin.
I hate to say it, but, you know, this is women – or, at least some of them. It’s always handbags at dawn, vicious, nasty little homilies. Not all women, because many are decent and honourable. A lot of gay men are like this, too. Again, not all, by any means. I wouldn’t read anything too much into the messages that harangue each other. However, I do believe that at least one or two have a conscience, and it might all come out, yet.
Lorncal
The phrases you are looking for are:
-Stairheid rammies
-Manipulation
-Daren’t leave the group incase they get talked about next. (Pee pants are making a mint apparently) 🙂
Feminisation of society Lorncal, you have to see the bad as well as the good.
As a comedian said recently; lesbians! No sense of humour.
And, if they all hate men, then why do they try so hard to look like them?
The male pervert oddballs have their weird counterparts across the biological divide no matter if you wish it wasn’t so..
YL; personally, I think that the so-called feminization of society is a load off old b******s. It is the usual backlash that comes hard on the heels of any real progress by women. “What about the menz” is the cry de coeur.
What I will agree with is that women are far too (suicidally) empathetic for their own, and society’s, good, and, generally, that leads to bad outcomes when they are intended to be ‘good’ outcomes.
I stand by what I said. Women do not behave in the ways that men do when it comes to conspiracies, and they are, generally-speaking, the tools of cold-blooded men out to bring another man down. Every sexual scandal and political conspiracy around politics shows this to be the truth.
Whoever instigated the Salmond affair, it was not the women, not even Sturgeon. Don’t misunderstand me, because they were all deeply involved in his removal, but the sheer cold-blooded and clinical nature of it goes back much further and is masculine in attitude. I have never believed either that it was wholly Whitehall-driven. Yes, they made hay while the sun shone, but this was home-grown, exacerbated by, probably, MI5 and the assets they have buried deep in the SNP.
It seems much more likely to me that they would let Mr Salmond carry on (up to a point) and dig the dirt later, if there was any, or push it for all it was worth, making it up if they had to using their assets to best use, from their viewpoint. I don’t think they had to make anything up in Mr Salmond’s case because the women were all too eager to provide the ‘evidence’. At the point where he was very likely to make a comeback, the assets were activated, and the women provided the necessary ammo, which the assets would have known, being close to the leadership and the staffers and civil service.
Both Adams and MacGuinness, in NI, admitted that they were shocked to the core when they discovered just who was selling them out to the British. It turned out to be people they had trusted, people very close to them, and the top of the IRA and Sinn Fein, who had been their friends and colleagues for many years. It is always your own, always from within, and (almost) always men who are far more reliable than women, being less suicidally empathetic and volatile and spiteful. I’m a woman so I can say that. Yes, the women did the dirty without doubt, as they often did and do, providing the sexual background, in other political situations, but this was a male conspiracy, and the conspiracy within the conspiracy of the women (and Sturgeon).
Lorncal
To make ordered reading of the thread I think your post should have been a reply to my 13.38 post.
Anyway, we’ll agree to differ on this one.
Cheers
British plants written all over it.
Evans, that was a given. £600K wasted because of her but the “UK cabinet secretary” extended her employment instead of sacking her.
Robison was another that always managed to shuffle herself around failed departments but never shuffled straight out the door.
A plague on all of them. It’s disgusting that these accusers & the ones who coerced them can hide when no crime has been committed. It should be them in the dock for conspiracy to jail an innocent man & for perjury. If there was any justice they would be. Evil Bastards!
Of course Sturgeon knew. She was a tyrant who ran a tight ship. No one will convince me otherwise. She was always quick enough to tell others to step down at the slightest bad press. Not so fast when it came to herself though – remaining in the party despite Hazmat suits & a crime scene tent (Do we even know why that was necessary other than a front page photo op?)
She loved a bandwagon to jump on & unfortunately #metoo came along just in time for her to hitch a ride to try destroy Alex. It doesn’t surprise me that she’s still leaving the whole situation open to speculation, she’s a malignant narcissist seeking flying monkeys to keep the speculation going. She’ll nurse a grudge forever & has already torched the SNP. It’s what they do. I wish she’d just fuck off already.
I hope one day soon they’ll all receive their comeuppance.
Geri says:
20 April, 2026 at 2:19 am
‘……..but the “UK cabinet secretary” extended her employment instead of sacking her.’
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Nicola Sturgeon was NOT “UK cabinet secretary“
Cynicus..
Mark Sedwell was. See the linked article above. Sturgeon & Mark Sedwell “decided that she should extend her stay”
How could any real independence supporter continue for vote for these cockwombles? Bunch of backstabbing twats. Not fit to run a country nor hold public office!
SCOTLAND has spent too long on what the Americans call the back burner, simmering away to no purpose. When will the dish ever be served and would it even be palatable?
Scotland is not in control of even of its natural milieu never mind the political. Scotland’s seas are politicized by the lamentable turn of events of recent years. Scotland’s geographic position is of signal importance in the defence strategy of the warrior class represented by the likes of Robertson and made flesh by Starmer’s visit to Faslane effectively binding the country even closer to the status quo.
Scotland was bought and annexed 300 years ago and has all the marks of a colonial & culturally colonized possession kept in check.
The current political memes no longer encompass the raw essence of the matter.
The assassination of one of the few nationalists capable of presenting a clear understanding of the nature of the «great matter» should not go without its just reward.
We’ve got a better understanding now and more likely why the leadership hasn’t made any genuine attempt to delivery Independence, thank you wings.
For me Salmond was foolish with is phrases, I knew why he said them and they made sense and lets just look at one of them, When we win Independence they’ll be no need for the SNP and it can dissolve as a party upon Independence. Well after Salmond acquittal the one thing the SNP could never do is dissolve if it did heads would roll.
We have a better understand the minds of the cowards in the SNP, seeking for a super-majority in May’s election while using the pretense of Independence but putting a strategy in place making the super-majority impossible without involving other part’s for the sole reason not to continue with devolution but to stay in power in order to protect the leadership at the top, who may have committed crime.
FFS this is the sole reason I been waiting all my life for, all to be stopped to protect these individuals who conspired to put Salmond in jail just because he had the foresight to question Sturgeon timing on Indyref2.
Like some said above about Sturgeon and the woman who wouldn’t move seats for her, this this a person any of us would want to go to jail for, I don’t think so.
We should all ad wait to Fergus Ewing call for a investigation by submitting a petition that the general public want a police investigation into Salmond’s case.
John Swinney plan for Independence isn’t a plan its a safeguard to secure SNP never face a criminal investigation for its plot against Salmond.
We here know some, if not most, of the names which for obvious reasons can’t be displayed here. However, the results speak for themselves…
SNP membership halved in a decade.
Financial woes afflicting the party.
Scandals of a financial or sexual nature at every turn.
The only thing saving the SNP from oblivion is the state of the Unionist parties in Scotland, whose London managers see the performance of the SNP and adopt the “never interrupt your enemy when they’re making a mistake” strategy.
Indy is dead for a generation due to Sturgeon & Co. – if she isn’t already on the payroll of London as a result of either kompromat or well-disguised political conviction, questions need to be asked of MI5 as to why she wasn’t. Otherwise, she was simply someone’s useful idiot and was played by those in her immediate circle.
Her and other senior party figures have been dancing to someone else’s tune for years, which is probably why they set out to destroy Salmond.
The ‘dirty tricks’ department of the British State are undoubtedly at the heart of the matter – I refuse to believe that this is an entirely home-grown affair within the SNP… it has all the hallmarks of London’s malign influence, and to be honest as things currently stand, they’ve won – the political movement for achieving Indy has become fragmented and wholly ineffectual. Cui bono?
The cause has been knocked back by decades. 53% of Scots voting Yes in 2014 was too close a call for the British State.
“The ‘dirty tricks’ department of the British State are undoubtedly at the heart of the matter”
Yes Robert, as Fanon wrote:
“whenever colonialism is imperiled…. it reveals its fangs”.
Indeed Alf… I think it’s safe to say that the SNP have more ‘plants’ than Dobies!
As you say, Lorncal at 9.29p.m. yesterday, Alex Salmond was our Bruce and Wallace. Like Wallace, his enemies brought him down, but unlike Wallace his enemies were his “friends”, God rot them.
We need a Scottish writer/film maker to put this into words and images for all to see forever. Although it would break hearts it should help our cause. Grouse Beater, can you find someone suitable?
Sadly, staunch Yes people are still saying that the SNP is the only party that can get us out of the Union. Well, only if all staff and all current MSPs and MPs are cleared right out and never allowed to darken the Yes doors again.
The cruelty dished out to Alex and his family was an evil thing. There is no doubt in my mind that the years of stress he suffered as a result contributed to his death. Surely those who conspired against him with untruths/half truths and lies must surely wonder when their turn is coming. Its the natural law of things, we all get our comeuppance.
Its was a true sign of the integrity, decency, ability and status of the Scottish Government that they allowed a previous first minister to be returned to this country and buried without any recognition from them. Frankly I don’t think the ALBA party did very well either. It was the people who rallied and gave him the recognition he deserves.
For those who do not know, he has the most spectacular head stone, a solid carved tall block of granite. His grave is always marked by flowers, gifts and messages from the people.
“an evil thing”
Yes, a colonial administration is always condemned in the end, not least for ‘sacrificing the people’ and the cause of liberation whilst protecting the colonizers interest.
As Cesaire put it:
“…their highly problematical subjective good faith is entirely irrelevant to the objective social implications of the evil work they perform as watchdogs of colonialism”
Lovely comments. Thank you.
Lulu Bells , thank you for letting us know that folk respect the man and mourn his loss.
Indy murdered by MI6 Woke Agents and other Quislings like Sturgeon at the heart of the SNP and Greens.
I think you mean MI5, but we’ll take your point. No ‘James Bond’ types required, just a set of ‘Stakeknives’ to do the bidding of HMG.
RK
Maybe Special Branch.
It was after all their founding role against the Irish.
Independence will never be delivered while we have the likes of Riddick, dug, pop, National. FFS that Peter A Bell, he can’t do anything without reading every page in the national and constantly goes on arguing with the glakit.
If people are correct on here about the British state being involved and if it was Sturgeon isn’t going to see the in side of any court room anytime soon and neither are these accuses.
I still see hope at the end of the tunnel for the SNP and it might just come from Joanna Cherry re-joining the party with Steven Flynn taken over if Swinney fails to form a new government. If we are to believe SF has no love for Sturgeon and neither does Cherry I believe he’d be a fool no to have Joanna at his side.
Nobody deserves to be framed.
Alex Salmond was a very talented debater, articulate, charming and persuasive. He helped turn the SNP from a sideshow to a position of power. However, it was not all good.
It was Salmond (in 2014) who first brought in the woke policies such as biological male prisoners in Women’s prisons.
His tenure as leader of Alba was one of lies, abuses of power, bullying and smearing as part of his scheme to rig internal elections and silence those who objected.
Alex Salmond spent a lot of time upholding the sham of English Crown in English Parliament sovereignty over Scotland, which could be regarded as a betrayal of Scottish sovereignty.
He eventually embraced the lie that England’s neutered Holyrood was really Scotland’s parliament re-instated and that his colonial administration on behalf of England was Scotland’s Government.
It was Salmond who abandoned direct democracy for independence in favour of requiring Westminster consent for a referendum, following the SNP winning an election.
Salmond’s conduct during the indyref first big debate was shockingly poor. His explanation was that he went against his own instincts and followed advice from some un-named person to tone it down, which seems very out of character.
His meek acceptance of multiple violations of the referendum process, such as the late introduction of vague promises of Home Rule in The Vow (which in itself should have rendered the whole referendum as null and void), and subsequent resignation, when the promised Home Rule was there to be negotiated and implemented, has always seemed very strange.
It goes without saying, his long-time support and endorsement of Nicola Sturgeon as SNP leader was one of great regret for him personally and for those who want an independent Scotland.
Colin Alexander
Of course Alex Salmond wasn’t perfect ,nobody is .
However he was a great politician and a true patriot and the British state put a lot of energy into bringing him down .
So nitpicking after his death ill becomes you
Perhaps Alex Salmond’s biggest failing and that of the subsequent SNP elite too, including Ms Cherry, is their inability to understand or accept our colonial reality;
or the fact that independence means decolonisation and liberation from oppression;
and, importantly, as we see here, that “the colonial regime owes its legitimacy to force” (Fanon), including necessarily the “legalized lawlessness” (Elkins) of liberal imperialism.
Starmer is a wanker.
Mark Beggan @ 13.18.
Fairly uncontroversial statement that one Mark, but like saying that when it comes to inquiries Nicola Sturgeon has memory lapses …
Sturgeon is a wanker.
Although it’s torture to listen to Starmer. I just need to hear him talk his way out of this. Then there’s tomorrow’s scandal.
Here are the now poignant final words of Alex Salmond’s post-referendum book, in both English and Gaelic versions:
« […] In the tenth century, the monks at Deer Abbey in Aberdeenshire, a few miles from Strichen, rounded off their treasured biblical folio in Latin with the following colophon in common Gaelic (i.e. common to Scotland and Ireland). It demonstrates that Buchan wit, as biting as the wind, is rather more than a millenium old. It reads:
« ‘Be it on the conscience of anyone who reads this little book to say a prayer for the soul of the poor wretch who laboured so long in writing it.’
~ Alex Salmond MSP
Strichen, March 2015 »
(‘THE DREAM SHALL NEVER DIE: 100 Days that Changed Scotland Forever’ by Alex Salmond, published by William Collins 2015, pp 262, 263).
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« […] Anns an deicheamh linn, aig Abaid Dhèir ann an Siorrachd Obar Dheathain, faisg air Srath Eachainn, chuir na manaich crìoch air an leabhar ionmhainn Laideann aca leis an earrainn seo anns a’ Ghàidhlig choitchinn (a’ Ghàidhlig sgrìobhte a bha cumanta eadar Alba agus Èirinn). Tha na briathran a’ sealltainn gu bheil eirmse Bhuchanach, a tha cho geur ris an lannsa, nas sine na mìle bliadhna a dh’aois.
« Tha an earrann ag ràdh: ‘Gum biodh e air cogais an duine a leughas an leabhar beag seo gun guidh e airson anam an truaghain a bha cho fada ga sgrìobhadh’.
~ Ailig Salmond BPA
Srath Eichin, Am Màrt 2015 »
(‘MAIRIDH AN DÒCHAS: 100 Latha a dh’Atharraich Alba Gu Bràth’, le Ailig Salmond, air fhoillseachadh le William Collins, 2015, td 284, 291)
During a COVID-19 media briefing, while referring to the complaints against Alex Salmond, Sturgeon stated: “The behaviour complained of was found by a jury not to constitute criminal conduct and Alex Salmond is innocent of criminality. But that doesn’t mean the behaviour complained of didn’t happen and it’s important we don’t lose sight of that”.
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Don’t forget what Sturgeon said!
Aye
Why didn’t Dorian Grey jail HER for that bit of blatant contempt of court eh?
Sorry, my bad, forgot, both in the same extended clique..
Billy Liar pants on fire.
Beggan: waste of space, and for whom (by name of candidate(s) will you vote?
Is Beggan a starmer? Seems no more stupid than typing that Starmer is a wanker: other behaviour of the PM is of far more import for the rest of us. Beggan, please desist from wasting everyone’s time, you will recieve no more of mine (same as for ‘Main’ and ‘Caveman’).
‘Byee.
Jay
Don’t hold yer breath; all three spoilers will no doubt be back..
As;
GP cogently noted a while back some at least work in the Scotchland Office AND have “sponsors”..
Best to take the p1ss out off or just ignore!
Take the p1ss out off gets my vote every time 🙂
It’s “take the piss out OF”, Rambo. Mind you, posting at a “mere” 10:30pm and reasonably succinct…? It’s almost “normal” (ish) and (vaguely) akin to having some semblance of a life, as opposed to the whole 4am total lunatic meltdown thing you frequently indulge in?
I can’t speak for anyone else, but for my part, fill your boots, troll. Just a bunch of low IQ loons unworthy of my time (or likely anyone else’s). No doubt it never occurs to any of you why it’s very largely only your empty vessel voices (plus a few embittered crackpots) BTL; everyone else is doubtless sick of holding their nose and is long since gone. Endless conspiracy theories, groundless assertions and above all – wall to wall trolling… You and your ilk should never have been tolerated (less still indulged) IMO, but you have been – and hence here “we” (or rather you) are. Sad, but there we are. Stu deserves better.
Hey ho. Enjoy.
Begs the question of why yer still here eh? Only a complete loon hangs about a forum when they don’t like the posters.
As for Stu, he has zero time for clock watching wankers. I’ve seen him admonish ppl for that before. What time ADULTS post at is of no concern to you. Some people are night owls – I can be too. Years of working nights tends to ruin a body clock.
But if we’re going to appeal tae Stu, I may as well add my tuppence, I’m surprised Beggan, you, AI Dan & Hatey still exist on here. You add absolutely zero to any convo & only interject yersel to troll & attack others or quote some idiot baby Trumpslop.
As for Beggans rants. Wise up – Starmer is only a front. He doesn’t get to pick anyone. He’s telt by his Labour pals who’ll be in cabinet. The paying donors get to choose the government & they can be from anywhere in the world. The UK, just like the US, isn’t a democracy. It’s a two party state with FPTP for a reason & donors bat for both sides. That’s why it’s always the same shit, different rosette & a complete continuation of agenda.
Btw, Yoons voted to keep that corrupt system. Don’t cry on here that you don’t like how it’s played. We voted to end that shit.
Well, if it’s any business of yours, “Geri”, I’m here for the interesting (and at times highly revelatory) blog pieces that Stu puts out. As far as BTL goes, in fairness it’s not usually as bad as this, thanks to your frequent bannings and their associated protracted periods of (enforced) blessed silence from you. In that case, it’s actually quite entertaining seeing you bunch of foamers going into nightly meltdowns – in a laugh-and-point kinda way of course.
However, even I’d have to concede that even that schadenfreude isn’t compensation enough to stick around much; I always feel that I need a good bath after conversing with the likes of you, howling your expletive-laden bile at the moon as you do, pal.
I’m not “doing a Northcode” and flouncing btw. Just don’t see much point slugging mud in your fetid sewer/gutter, when life offers far more pleasant ways to spend time. 🙂
“Years of working”
😀 😀 😀
Like AS IF pal.
Typical Yoon. Always with the lies & drama.
Truth is never a strong point.
I’ve never been banned or silenced no matter how many times you try to imply otherwise. You have tho so we can add projection to yer list of traits too.
Why don’t all the normal people on Wings BTL piss off so that Geri and co can rant a rave in peace without having anyone challenge that appalling, demented drivel. It’s an excellent question Geri, but equally I could counter – why don’t you take up residence in the state hospital if you want to behave like this? You definitely qualify for a place and it’s 3 square meals a day.
I don’t think anyone cares in isolation what time people are posting, but the combination of a) demented barely legible ranting, and b) posting at the small hours of the morning during the week, provides a worrying picture of the psychological state of some of the more prolific posters, you included. I don’t think it’s unfair to point out that this behavior is extremely strange as well as being deeply shameful and embarrassing. I’ve not seen any sensible explanation of why you do this or what you might be trying to achieve.
Fat Slag Wilma Flintstone @ 6.54
“Maaaaate”
Spellcheck that.
AI dun @ 12.46
Stop clutching your pearls so tightly “old boy”, you’ll hurt yerself.
Ah, Rambo “adding value” to the BTL chat with yet more fantasy as ever, I see (much like his non existent military career lol, unless Call of Duty counts). Imagine thinking *anyone* would want to trade places with some 80-something Poundshop Walter Mitty…
Still, 1:30pm, at time when the sane and the normal are conversing online! Progress. Well done. 🙂
Fat Slag Wilma Flintstone @ 1.56
“maaaaaate”..
“Werthers Original”
Fat Slag Wilma Flintstone @2.26
“paaaaal”
Wiliam Wallace when accused of treason against the King of England, Edward I:
“I cannot be a tray-tor, since I never swore fealty to the English king,”.
Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon as UK Privy Counsellors:
“…with one voice and consent of tongue and heart, publish and proclaim that the Prince Charles Philip Arthur George, is now, by the death of our late sovereign of happy memory, become our only lawful and rightful liege lord, Charles III, by the grace of God, of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland, and of his other realms and territories, King, head of the Commonwealth, defender of the faith, to whom we do acknowledge all faith and obedience with humble affection, beseeching God, by whom kings and queens do reign, to bless His Majesty with long and happy years to reign over us.”
“God Save the King.”
Did they seriously say “defender of the faith”?
That’s a church of England thing.
Sums up how we got into this problem in the first place if so..
Defender of the faith LOL!
A divorced adulterer…
Possibly even murder in there too, definitely stealing & coveting too. They stole jewels from Irn & put them in the crown alongside all the other precious gems & priceless relics they’ve stolen from around the globe.
Allegedly it’s far too heavy to wear for long. Hopefully that’ll be the weight of all the people they’ve killed sitting on top of it just tae make sure it’s on tight.
Aye, he’s king. Only by consent of the Scottish people.
He could possibly remain Head of State in an Independent Scotland should the Scots decide to keep him. It’s a separate Union.
Von Trumphausen is still posturing about us and the Straits of Hormuz..
Remember Suez (same problem just the other end of the Red Sea) and gerrit up ye Baby Trump!
Alex Salmond, the greatest leader in Scottish history.
Succeeded by the biggest betrayer in Scottish history, who turned Scotland into a rotten to the core State.
All great persons are always made to fall by the enemy within.
Is there any possibility at all of ever bringing the conspirators to justice?
Can no one in the whole world name and shame the conspirators without being persecuted by Scottish or English or UK (Supreme Court) law?
The whole lot of them should be rotting in jail.
What is the current status of the legal cases that had been started by Alex Salmond?
Colin Alexander, do you think the Scottish independence referendum was a good thing or a bad thing?
Do you have a close personal relationship with any of Salmond’s accusers?
Were you ever sexually assaulted by Alex Salmond?
@ Angus, Colin Alexander has been posting comments on WOS since at least 2014 , his comments have been scathing about the whole snp debacle under Alex and the SCUM sturgeon,he has also praised Alex at times as well but the TRUTH shouldn’t be silenced I have also been critical and scathing of Alex Salmond and his insistence that he would STILL use the same franchise if there were another referendum , the franchise that STOLE our freedom by allowing every tom dick and harry to vote on Scotland’s freedom from this VILE union
I also vehemently objected when Alex Salmond cast Sara Salyers aside and isolated her from alba ,especially after her appearance at the first convention drew such acclaim and applause from the ordinary members
Sara was exposing the SALVO message that Scots were the ones who would decide their future but Alex was more focused on appealing to WM like BEGGARS for permission to hold a referendum, he believed in the diplomatic path which we all know is a mistake when you are dealing with the WM engerlish thieves
I admired Alex as a true son of Scotland who believed passionately in independence BUT he also made mistakes which unfortunately he is not here to defend , but we Scots have allowed some leaders to appear invincible and godlike, giving them unquestionable loyalty and unearned praise which unfortunately they have betrayed and we have suffered for the last 12 years
Sara
NEVER offer a propaganda opportunity.
link to archive.is
It always comes back to English ‘liberal imperialism’, where Churchill’s infamous Auxilliaries and Black & Tans who honed their ‘legalized lawlessness” in the repressive Irish and Indian colonies, were sent off to Palestine (and other colonies), training IDF forerunners in how to ‘duff-up’ the natives and destroy their houses and villages, taking their lands and all they possessed. England-as-UK is still training and supplying these evil colonial practices!
Scots can trace our similar repression even further to the Scottish jenny-side post-annexation in 1707.
Folks should read ‘Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire’ by Professor Caroline Elkins.
Thanks for this. I read Elkins “Britain’s Gulag” many years ago. Her research into the barbarity of British troops in Kenya was somewhat stymied by the (deliberate) destruction of documents relating to the persecution of indigenous Mau Mau people by the British government in Kenya.
You can add to that list the so called Troubles of NI. In which grievances over civil rights and the violence that followed was made worse by the introduction of Colonel Kitson’s methods, honed in Kenya and Aden.
What might also be added are the extraordinary number of unnecessary, avoidable deaths caused by the politics of austerity.
See “Social Murder?… by Walsh and McCartney. About 330,000 extra deaths occurred up to 2019 as a result of austerity and more after the pandemic.
@Alf Baird
Fine Alf but when I served in Northern Ireland we were regarded as peace keepers. The context which is always important, especially 50 years later, was it was the second Loyalist General strike and as Spearhead Battalion to keep the peace sent by a Labour Home Secretary Roy Jenkins, our job was to keep everyone safe. On 12 hours notice I found myself in the mix. Keeping two communities apart. We regarded it a loss when two Catholic bus drivers were shot in the head. A human example of othering. And so it goes on now.Current serviceman leaving the military because of retrospective judgment. Who in their right mind would ever serve for the UK Government or the Scottish Government. I say the Scottish Government as well. They won’t protect our servicemen and women either because in 50 years time they will apply whatever daft rules they create.
George @ 4.59
Correct.
Interesting that you cite Mark McDonald’s by-election. I trust you saw the party dragging him through the mud for being at their party conference in his professional capacity with the charity he works for?
Trying to get him sacked and hoping to smear him when he’s moved on with his life. These people can’t just destroy someone once, they have to be wiped out of existence.
The karma bus is long past due
Some sort of historical version of “devolution”? —
« At times of war, the enemy city could be conquered and destroyed by force (kata kratos) and its inhabitants killed or enslaved. But, on the other hand, what could also happen was that the weaker city could take recourse to the institution of the ‘Deditio in fidem’ [‘Surrender in trust’], meaning that they could unconditionally surrender themselves to the hands of the enemy, making the victor hold to a more benevolent conduct.
In this instance, the city could be saved and its inhabitants granted a personal freedom, while not being completely free. They comprised a special group, called the ‘dediticii’ [‘prisoners of war, captives, the surrendered’], who ‘gave themselves over’ as what we would nowadays call stateless people. We should perhaps keep this particular group of non-slaves who were not completely free in mind… »
(Giorgio Agamben, ‘The Time That Remains: A Commentary on the Letter to the Romans’, Stanford University Press, English translation 2005)
Surprise, surprise that the new greater map includes all the oil & gas all over the region.
The USA, who allegedly doesn’t need oil itself, takes all of Iraq’s & the proceeds funneled into an account in New York. If they require to actually want some of their own money they’ve to apply to an office, also located in New York, & await approval. Also no oil fund. Same with Syr. Oh, & they’ve also to approve who plays puppet. There’ll be none of that democracy malarkey.
No wonder they had to wall themselves in to a compound & they’ve the nerve to say they’re “attacked” for nuffink!
Geri
I wonder how much longer the US superpower (empire) has got before it’s slid down to the has-beens league like England (sorry the UK).
They came into the last century with huge land and human resources and built a very strong manufacturing base, but other than their stop start Pacific land grabs under “Teddy Bear” they only really seem to have become head honcho on the back of world wars and effectively bankrolling them.
No wonder Usuary was so hated back in the day.
Maybe that’s why they are so keen to start wars, it’s what keeps the great US Ponzi scheme ticking over.
Can’t last, nothing does.
Wonder how long before Von Trumphausen gives himself an aneurism? I’m sure we’ll know it right away as he’ll probably post about it on his social media as it’s happening:
“Having an aneurism, a wonderful aneurism. An American aneurism. Make American aneurisms great again!
Heart attacks just don’t cut it, they’re no aneurism, heart attacks aren’t holding the cards so can’t make a deal.
If they don’t admit aneurisms are bigger and beautiful, I am a very aesthetic person, then I will give heart attacks the mother of all bombings, back into the Stone Age.
Not good, not good at all.
Heart attacks, think long and hard on this and come back to me in the next 5 minutes and admit aneurisms are bigger and more beautiful.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED”
TUCKER CARLSON one of the US rights many paper messiahs opined re my country of birth,
«Iraq is a crappy place filled with a bunch of, you know, semi-literate primitive monkeys, that’s why it wasn’t worth invading», he is speaking of one of the ancient «cradles of civilization, though he does not mention the oil.
The American system is fundamentally racist. It is even worse than the French, British, Germans, Belgians, Dutch etc in so far as their naked supremacist imperialism wasn’t smeared with layers of exceptionalist sanctimony.
The «neediness» of the US will eventually see it eclipsed….possibly by a surfeit of artificial (fake) intelligence from the Palantir corporation.
Marcus Tullius Cicero
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the ("Tractor" - Ed) moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the ("Tractor" - Ed) appears not a ("Tractor" - Ed); he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.?A murderer is less to fear.”
And look what happened to poor old Cicero, Willie. Mark Antony did for him.
So who did for Alex
Yes, Fanon tells us that ‘the colonialist may speak in the native tongue’, and that ‘colonialism is always a co-operative venture’ with native elites and others given ‘a bone to gnaw on’ in the colonial system.
C’mon Wullie
Cicero is uber untrendy now after Bojo the Clown used him as an example in his getting sacked speech while Truss tried the same but slevered over the words..
Couldn’t even get that right.
Bad vibes Cicero, best find another parable!
Keir Starmer has resigned and his last wish is to grant Swinney a section 30 order.
Rev: stooshie going on at ‘The National’ and ‘The Herald’ newspapers because they wouldn’t run an ISP campaign advert unless the word, ‘woman’ was removed. Apparently ran it on FP on Saturday and had received ‘many’ complaints.
Lorncal
Faggats and their legions of handmaidens..
You subscribe to the national, just wondering what is it you get from this Rag??
100%Yes: I don’t subscribe to the National but saw this story posted by other independence supporters. It is a shocker.
John Swinney rejects calls for public inquiry into Alex Salmond ‘conspiracy’, What a shocker.
Screams;
GUILTY..
Nae wonder Sturgeon was in tears of gratitude when he said he’d take over eh!?
Can’t last forever though.
Church man aren’t you Swinney?
Try reading numbers 23:32, now you can’t redact that can you..
Tick tock..
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Young Lochinvar
Sarah
What must Swinney’s wife think to all this, she has to know.
If the rolls were reversed Swinney would be in jail and Sturgeon would be taken all the credit for putting him their, that’s Sturgeon loyalty to Swinney.
100 percenter
Yup,
Does make you think doesn’t it?
Wouldn’t be surprised if Mrs Redacto was a COS elder as well..
Take from that what you will except she won’t dob in dishonest John as he maintains the Union (in ways frankly unimaginable 20 years ago)..
Suppose they’ve learnt from Westminster eh?
I believe it’s the other way round for the Scripture reference, YL, 32:23. Very appropriate.
@Young Lochinvar
I genuinely think people dont understand what is happening. The Lord High Commissioner did a great job last year. Swinney on the other hand looked out of place. Let’s put numbers on that. One third of the Church of Scotland Estate is being disposed of, or in monetary terms £30 million this year. This represents the annilation of Scottish sociocultural values and social history. A wee example, the roof timbers of St Giles Cathedral several hundred years ago was converted into a snuff box. Sold for £Thousands but the Church in question that held this item in pertuity has closed.
Thanks Sven
I typed that on the hoof without checking.
Sorry.
Appreciate it! 🙂
What surprises me the most is obviously not turkeys not wanting to vote for Christmas, but the relative ambivalence of others, particularly the Unionist media and the U.K. Government. As every day goes by more documents will be memory-holed, messages deleted or lost on old devices, memories and recollections fading etc. which unfortunately makes any form of investigation less and less likely to uncover a smoking gun. Yet those who you would expect to make hay of this, other than a select few like David Davis, are mostly sitting by and allowing this to pass.
It appears to me Sturgeon power is entirely from people she has around her, who are complete and utter morons that no one would ever put them in a position of any kind.
They actually believe Sturgeon is a friend when she not, she’s just manipulating them and they don’t even know she’s going it, cause their that stupid, hence she has them around.
@Young Lochinvar 7:22pm
I am OK with the King appointing the Lord High Commissioner for the second time. A Catholic in Post Reformation Scotland. She did well last year. Swinney on the other hand looked out of place. I did a visit today for someone who needed pastoral care. A few Palestinian flags flying out of windows on the street. 30% of the Church of Scotland Estate is being disposed of. Or in monetary terms £30 million in the last 12 months. As was quoted to me, the ongoing sociocultural rape of Scotland.
George
Sorry brother
I’m an atheist after a youth spent being dragged weekly to fairly hardcore COS.
I worked out my own views and it helped my journey serving through Op Banner in West Belfast “hard area” and all the madness going on there even though I came from a west of Scotland background.
I respect others views on religion as a personal choice/ belief but do find any of those inconsistencies flying in the face of what is actually written in “the book” worth challenging if only from a ringside theological point of view.
The bit the grips me though is the historical relentless Scottish (English backed) reformationist Protestant push to Union back in the day and the modern day unambiguously uncommitted view on it by the so called COS!
COS history doesn’t go much before 1540 or so.
For their own selfish reasons.
Regardless.
I even remember one minister regaling a positive take of Cromwell during the Protectorate during a sermon!!
If that raised a youthful eyebrow then, well it now puts a nail through my position and always will.
That I just will not accept!
Yes, in a colonial society we might expect all social institutions to be colonial in terms of their allegiance and values, which includes ‘the crushing of the colonized’ and the ‘re-writing of their history’ by the colonizer (Memmi).
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
James Kelly, reveals a bit more of the family home. This time with his bedroom and some of his favorite toys on the shelve if you look through the keyhole you’ll see rudolph red nosed reindeer and Bagpuss, I preferred action man myself.
If anyone has some spare double sided tape and a feather duster for corners I’ll pass them right along, don’t want mummy to be unhappy.
youtube.com/watch?v=BdWktcAbExM
Maybe he could start another fundraiser with a view to sorting out that peeling wallpaper? 🙂
After all this time of him being in the political domain, isn’t it kinda obvious to everyone with any nous, that Swinney is firstly, just an incredibly very very very very bad actor, and secondly, to the point of utter banality?
I have no desire to use his BB christian name as his hands are covered in all sorts of shit and he doesn’t merit its use.
In any other walk of life, he’d be known for being a chancer, a waster, a conman (and a very poor one at that), a buffoon, a blusterer et al. with all the personal charisma and charm of a double-glazing salesman
Why o why did he ever get to where he is?
It’s nothing personal.
You get the sense that these people think that anything is permissible as long as you don’t get caught. And having matched accusations of sexual assault a supposed need to protect the accusers’ identities, they had found the key to the chocolate factory. So they have neither gratitude nor honesty or even basic morality. Just psychopathic.
What I can’t understand is why they hated Salmond so much. My guess is, they’re all Unionists and what they objected to was just his competence.
PAUL ROBESON:
On colonialism, African-American rights.
(3 mins, Spotlight, ABC,1960)
link to youtube.com
PAUL ROBESON SINGS FOR SCOTTISH MINERS (1949)
link to youtube.com
Before 2014 Alex Salmond proposed a multi-option ballot that included Home Rule / Devo-Max. The UK Govt refused.
(Opinion polls at the time continually indicated Home Rule was more popular than indy or the current limited devolution). The UK Govt insisted it was YES or NO to indy. Salmond agreed.
Salmond’s long-espoused idea and the YES campaign was based on arguing Scotland would have an indy parliament but would still be under England’s Crown and economic control (sharing the £ UK Sterling, and much more). Also, under EU control. Not what I would call real independence.
So Salmond was proposing things that were dependent on others’ goodwill, effectively false promises. Alex was a great snake oil salesman, I mean that as a compliment.
So, indyref was YES / NO to the question: Should Scotland be an independent country?
So, there was no Unionist campaign promises / debate about what Devo-Max would mean for Scotland. The NO campaign said there would be no co-operation with Salmond’s “sharing with UK / EU” so-called independence.
(Incidentally, I wrote to the EU’s legal advice service asking if indy Scotland would remain in the EU. The legal opinion I received said “no”.) As far as I know, the Scot Govt has never published their legal advice.
The Vow, just 2 days before the vote, offered a vague Devo-to-the-Max if people voted NO. Again from those who could not deliver The Vow.
Salmond was highly critical but didn’t declare the indyref voided. He also went along with his beloved English Queen’s and BBC political interventions / UK Civil Service to dissuade people from voting for Salmond’s so-called “independence”.
The indyref was clearly a blatantly unfair and undemocratic process on both sides. Both sides were selling false promises.
We know second-home owners were getting votes, temporary residents, foreign students, dead people etc. We know postal votes were being mis-handled.
The subsequent Devo-Max Smith Commission was not composed of equal numbers of representatives the from YES / NO campaigns.
Instead it was loaded 6 / 4 in favour of ” NO ” politicians.
I get it that ordinary people remember the feel good campaign for indy. That is a great thing.
But, Salmond’s indyref policy is a political scam to get the SNP into power.
In reality, it effectively places another hurdle in the way of independence. It concentrates power in the Scot Govt and UK Govt. It steals sovereignty from the people and keeps it at Westminster.
“We know second-home owners were getting votes, temporary residents, foreign students, dead people etc. We know postal votes were being mis-handled” – how do you know those things?
It also wasn’t for Alex Salmond to declare the result of the referendum to be void. He had no legal power to do that.
how do you know those things?
“second-home owners were getting votes” anecdotal evidence.
“temporary residents, foreign students” franchise was officially published that included these groups.
Dead people voting – % of total votes cast were abnormally high in places like Argyll and Bute when you factor in potential voters dying, moving etc.
It’s well known Ruth Davidson (then Scots Tories leader) boasted she was able to sample Postal Votes.
Okay – but I think the crux of your post is that votes were counted that should not have been counted, either because they weren’t entitled to vote, or because the vote had been cast by someone other than the person who had the right to vote. That would be the standard for concluding that the result was void. Doesn’t sound like there’s any evidence of that at all.
The whole thing was rigged, even the dogs in the street know it.
The result and process fell foul of UN standards which include ‘no media interference from either interested party’. Ha! What a fcucking joke, with the English media and EBC broadcasting biased reports 24/7 for months then running the ‘grassroots’ (bankrolled by London millionaires) ‘Vote No Borders’ happy clappy propaganda piece every hour, on the hour for a full day on it’s main “news” channel.
Professor John Robertson proved media bias from our foreign media of a ratio of at least 3 to 2 ‘no’ vs ‘yes’ reporting. Rather than respond to his research the EBC tried to have him removed from his post!
Then there are the unionist rags’ headlines glaring from every news stand, 24/7, 365 days per year; drip, drip, drip propaganda.
Oh, I almost forgot, ‘The Vow’. Democratic referendum?
My arse!
Please tell us about this UN standard to which you refer about “media interference” being prohibited, by which you mean media not being allowed to report on the election (or course what you really mean is only media you like being able to report on the election).
Linked below we have a report titled “Report of the Special Rapporteur on the promotion and
protection of the right to freedom of opinion and expression,
Frank La Rue*” in an electoral context, and within it are the following quotes:
“The free communication of information and ideas about public and political issues
between citizens, candidates and elected representatives is essential. This implies a
free press and other media able to comment on public issues without censorship or
restraint and to inform public opinion. The public also has a corresponding right to
receive media output.“
“Freedom of the press affords the public one of the best means of discovering and
forming an opinion of the ideas and attitudes of their political leaders. In particular,
it gives politicians the opportunity to reflect and comment on the preoccupations of
public opinion; it thus enables everyone to participate in the free political debate
which is at the very core of the concept of a democratic society”
And finally under recommendations:
“(b) Remove any restrictions or regulations that might place the media under
political influence or compromise the vital role of the media as public watchdog; and
take appropriate action, consistent with relevant human rights standards, to promote
media diversity and prevent undue media dominance or concentration;
(c) Put in place measures to ensure that all political candidates and parties
have direct access to State-owned broadcast media services for specific times on an
equal basis, which access is determined either on the basis of the previous
performance of a given party or candidate or through a ballot process, and that they
are treated fairly and equitably by those services”
So far from a requirement for media, including state media, not to participate, to legislate to prevent media organisations like the BBC participating would be a severe breach of UN standards.
Surprise surprise, the unionist lickspittle Adrian says everything was hunky dory.
But he/she/it also says Scotland in the ‘union’ is one of the richest countries in the world and north sea oil and gas are worthless unless they’e under ‘British’ control.
Thanks, but I’ll pass.
UN/New Caledonia independence referendum;
Eligible voters; only those who were already residents of New Caledonia by 1998 and their descendants.
Excluded Voters: Roughly 17–20% of the total registered population (mostly later migrants from mainland France or other territories) are barred from local voting despite being French citizens.
@James the reason why you aren’t able to defend any of the absurd statements you make is because you are a very dense, credulous man who gets suckered into copying and pasting things from dubious X and Facebook accounts, just because the align with whatever immature view you hold at that time.
So when someone comes along and proves you wrong, like I have many times, you either have a massive tantrum about it or start spouting some nonsense in another direction. So today its residency requirements in New Caledonian referendums, or manufactured statements about Scottish oil. We’ve been around those houses many times before and it’s nil to you as always. Why don’t you grow up a bit?
You’ve proven no one wrong AI Dan.
UK elections & referendums don’t have open franchises. They forbid it for the English ones – funny that.
They don’t allow breaking election rules on
A. Donations. Especially FOREIGN.
B. Changing the offer last minute.(Devo Max, Super Devo Max)
C. Breaking Purdah rules (The vow, Super, super Devo Max+)
D. Take out Cinema ads that were clearly false
E. Astro turfing (No borders) pish. (FOREIGN DONORS)
F. A state media campaign 24/7 with Wall to wall propaganda.
G. Terrorise the electorate with “bussed in” activists from England to scare wee pensioners about their pension on the doorstep.
H. Terrorise EU nationals they’d be deported.
I. Tell ppl waiting organ donations they’d be put off the waiting list.
J. Not run a fair & unbiased TV campaign. For every one Indy commentator there’d be five Nawbags, including the host, who’d not give airtime to the YES side. They were either drowned out by irrelevant bullshit or Oops, sorry, times run out.
The English run a fucking filthy, underhand, corrupt, lying campaign, but what did we expect? It’s in their DNA. They had to win by deception because they’d fuck all else to offer. They still haven’t found any actual benefits to Scotland remaining in the Union because there weren’t any then & there still isn’t now.
The nawbags won & what exactly did they “win”? Fuck all but more austerity, more pish wages, more pish standard of living, an energy crisis, a banking crisis, more zero hours, more higher rents, gender pish, two child cap pish, bedroom tax pish, Brexshit, an open border Pandemic with begging bowl furlough, Bojo & now, by the looks of it, Farage FFS!
SNP Should stop mitigation. We shouldn’t be paying to plaster over English policies. Give the nawbags exactly what they voted for, I say.
The referendum was rigged before a vote was even cast. No one in their right mind has an open franchise. I don’t think Perfidious Albion would have ever honoured the result of a Yes vote & enacted it anyway. They’d have just dismissed it as an opinion poll because there was nothing in legal writing. Just that they’d “respect” the result. Not that they’d actually implement it. Slippery bastards.
Ah, the cringeworthy late night meltdowns are in progress once again I see; another day, another dollar eh.
Most amusing. I’ll probably have a good laugh tomorrow morning over breakfast, the night is still young for the likes of “Geri”, Rambo et al. 🙂
Geri’s latest rant is that:
– the No campaign was allowed to campaign
– people were allowed to donate to the No campaign
– the No campaign were allowed to have broadcast TV adverts
– No campaigners were allowed on TV
– the No campaign was allowed to make promises
– the voting slips had a No option on them.
Of course in this dystopian dictatorships Geri sings the praises of none of those things would be possible, the ballot boxes arrive pre-counted and you might have a solider looking over your shoulder as you vote.
“Of course in this dystopian dictatorships Geri sings the praises of none of those things would be possible, the ballot boxes arrive pre-counted and you might have a solider looking over your shoulder as you vote.”
Well, quite. Irony is truly lost on such people.
Mind, they probably reside in one “dystopian dictatorship” or other, because it sure as hell ain’t Scotland, or even the UK.
See there we differ CC, I actually think Geri and “James” do live somewhere in the UK, likely in a deprived area of the Central Belt, sat in some disgusting flat that never gets cleaned allowing their minds to be poisoned by spending all day watching hysterical conspiratorial videos on YouTube and the dark web. When they aren’t loading up on super-strength or dubiously acquired prescription meds.
The ironic thing is that in the short term at least, an independent Scotland would face a significant budget shortfall, the effect of which Geri and James would certainly suffer the impact of. Tax rates are already eye watering, so I think it’s inevitable that the benefits bill is going to have to take the brunt of it.
So they rant and rave about the U.K. all day, but had they not had the good fortune to live here, they might either;
– be living in a cardboard box under a railway bridge; or
– be serving 15-years in prison for sedition.
The broke the rules, continually.
The broke rules on Purdah.
They continually abused the state mafia TV who were not unbiased.
They’d to cheat to win.
They cheated the No voters because they didn’t get Devo Max or anything like it.
They’re still cheating even now by denying Scotland’s democratic mandates on both Brexshit & Independence.
How does it feel to be a lying, corrupt, thieving bastard?
That’s you that complains of evil dictators around the globe that you justify tae yersel you’re invading to spread democracy when yer really Colonising democracy deniers.
They could get away with it because of the Mickey mouse *domestic setting* the referendum was held in.
It won’t be conducted like that the next time. UK hegemony & theft is over. Irn has killed the GCC. The petro $ up in smoke. The Wests private thieving bank account. Thank you Irn!! It couldn’t have happened to a nicer bunch of degenerate inbreds.
PS, UAE is on the phone asking for a bailout. Imagine that? A bail out? Another country with huge oil wealth for 60 yrs+ but doesn’t have a pot to piss in. Plenty English there tho, relieving them of all that worthless oil they had, no doubt using that famous Yoon calculator they have that always reads they’re owed money for helping them take it away.
But on the subject of evil dictators why not start with the GCC? Why so quiet about them?
Save it. We all know why.
Purdah rules restrict the use of official government functions like official communications channels or the civil service to announce major projects or policy changes. It does not restrict campaigners in an election or a referendum from making commitments during the campaign. If it did, Alex Salmond and the SNP would obviously have been in breach of the purdah rules continually during the referendum period.
I’m not getting involved in your deranged ranting about the UAE today, sorry.
Jeez you’re as thick as pigs shit.
It doesn’t allow you to introduce new offers.
Devo Max & the vow of extensive new powers was new offers.
Just piss off, troll. The best thing to do with you is to ignore. Do one…
Lol Geri – to be called thick by someone like you, just wow!
The idea that you can’t make “new offers” is totally nonsense. Political parties and campaigners are completely free (legally) to amend their policy proposals in response to the direction of an election campaign, although of course they might come in for criticism for doing so. If you think I’m wrong, use that massive brain of yours to find some evidence.
What is not allowed is for a political party that is also in Government to use the official functions of government to influence the outcome of the election. So it is perfectly acceptable for a political party to promise that if elected they will progress a new road/rail scheme. What is not acceptable is for the transport minister to ask Transport Scotland to announce a new road/rail scheme during the purdah period.
I would say I hope that helps, but I know it won’t because you’re as stubborn as you are ignorant. You’ve no idea what purdah is or how it works and you’ve made the decision that you don’t want to understand it. Yet again you’ve been proven wrong and made to look stupid. But you’ll come back with the same unamended arguments in a few months time no doubt.
LOL
Making it up as they go along now as usual.
Typical Yoon behaviour.
What a pair of numpties.
(Adrian; that means clowns in Scotch – judging by your grammar you’re from somewhere else).
What a great comeback, that’s me telt ?
Sad little man.
There’s nowt “little” about Fatso, I’d wager. (Certainly not according to his inebriated-tramp-on-park-bench mugshot avatar)
The guy’s likely to have all the definition of a 100lb sack of chicken shit fertiliser – and about as much charm (and similar odour).
@ Colin Alexander
The legal advice you site may have been technically correct when it said no to Scotland remaining in the EU post Indyref depending on the result of the vote; But that is not taking into account what could have been done as other options could have come into play as discussed in this linked to post and several following posts.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Ignore Aidan, the franchise was what it was and clearly allowed a very open pool of “Scots” to vote and decide Scotland’s future. Anybody politiciallly alert enough and with local knowledge that cared to take a cursory look at electoral roll could spot highly dubious inclusions that were made difficult to publicise because of the way the electoral roll used for Indyref was scrapped immediately after the vote, and a new one created for the 2015 GE.
I see (no pun intended) that the Lyrid meteor shower could be visible in night skies.
Sort of thing that’s interesting to see.
However the meteor shower comes from the tail of the comet “Thatcher”.
(Yes, me too, I thought she’d be roasting in hell alongside her pal Saville..).
Coming from an area economically devastated by Thatchers ideology driven policies and having lived through the fallout of that then I’ll probably give the fallout from another Thatcher in the heavens (this time) a miss, just in case..
‘DUNOON UNIT REPORT: THE POSTAL BALLOT AT THE SCOTTISH INDEPENDENCE REFERENDUM’ (2015):
“We are now convinced that the Postal Ballot (PB) at the Scottish Referendum was compromised by a UK Government agency, and consequently that the ballot result is not democratically valid.”
‘DEFENDING DEMOCRACY: DSF REPORT ON THE REFERENDUM POSTAL BALLOT’ (YouTube, April 2015) —
link to youtube.com
DOCUMENT DOWNLOADABLE AT —
link to ia802907.us.archive.org
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See also:
ELECTIONS AFTERMATH —
link to craigmurray.org.uk
Yes but it’s nonsense isn’t it, the “report” is predicated on some pretty unlikely claims, like nearly 2% of those registered for a postal vote died in the space of a month, and c2.5% of those registered to postal vote got dementia which took them from having capacity to not having capacity, again in the space of a month.
But what makes it even less likely is that MI5 would have to know who had not voted, and would have to know that prior to voting being concluded (so the fraudulent ballots could be submitted and counted in time). So there would be a severe risk of detection that way.
There would also be a high risk of detection due to the turnout rate going either above 100% or so close to 100% that it would be impossible, and for what gain. Even if MI5 used the proposed strategy to increase the postal voter turnout by 5% (which for the reasons I’ve laid out would be very risky) that would only swing the national result by 1% (e.g. No would have won anyway).
The reality is that the 2014 referendum was an important vote with a very high turnout across the board. Those who go to the effort of requesting a postal vote are very likely to use it, so the 96% figure is entirely plausible.
That right, aye?
Scotland was so pro Union do you know what they did?
They returned 56 Nationalist MPs for the 1st time to Westminster on an Indyref2 ticket just seven months later.
The Whole of Scotland showed a yellow map.
That tells you everything you need to know.
That, along with the R observations on how unprofessional the count had been conducted, only confirmed their suspicions it was rigged despite the predictable ridicule they received for speaking out. We all remember too – Cameron begging for some election interference from P. Who could forget that eh?
The nawbags were dumped & duped. There was no extensive new powers, no Devo Max+. The love bombing stopped immediately after the result was in. They’d fuck all votes that’d mattered in “their parliament” Their votes are worthless pish. & So it came to pass with Brexshit.
No wonder the whole world despises England. Yer about to find out just how much you are loathed on the international stage over the coming months ahead.
“R” observers – lol, tell us more.
The SNP did not stand on an IndyRef 2 ticket in 2015 though did they. The manifesto started off with: “My vow is to make Scotland stronger at Westminster”.
and then at numerous points it included the following phrase:
“The SNP will always support independence – but that is not what this election is about. It is about making Scotland stronger”
link to ucrel.lancs.ac.uk
You’re just a fanatical liar Geri, yet again made to look stupid.
“material change in circumstances”
Brexshit was the material change.
Nawbags cried their remain vote didn’t count.
The UK is not a democracy. It’s a two English party fascist state & so is Westminster where they can outvote everyone else in a supposed GB parliament they continually squat in.
Why aren’t you crying for English devolution?
INDEPENDENCE?
See you all in hell first.
link to archive.is
A lonely AI Dun holding the fort for the probity of all things concerning “THE UNION”..
🙂
«SCOTTISH NATIONALISM» the love that dare not speak its name without a paroxysm of cringe.
Aye, if only we had nationalists instead of colonialists leading the national party, we wad be hame and dry lang afore noo.
Election of a nationalist majority in any colony was usually enough to end English imperial rule and its ‘legalized lawlessness’; but co-opted colonialists opt instead for ‘neutrality’ and ‘indirect rule’, as we see.
And fulsome tribute still to G.A. PONSONBY for his watershed achievement in meticulously compiling irrefutable evidence of the BBC’s default unionist bias in a 500 page book, replete with screenshots of incriminating BBC webpage imagery and headline manipulation.
Ponsonby’s definitive exposé of BBC Scotland’s political news manipulation chronicles the influential world broadcaster’s cynically skewed coverage of Scottish politics in general and of the 2014 independence referendum in particular.
G.A. Ponsonby’s seminal book (first published in 2015) is titled:
‘LONDON CALLING: HOW THE BBC STOLE THE REFERENDUM’
This substantial volume is still available on Kindle for a mere £1.99.
GET IT! Every Scottish home should have a copy!
The opening paragraphs of G.A. PONSONBY’s book:
« Chapter 1 – TURNING YES INTO NO
« The 2014 independence referendum was an historic event. The SNP landslide victory in May 2011 meant that for almost three years it captivated a nation, dominated the news agenda and influenced almost every aspect of Scottish and UK politics. Ordinary people who had never before engaged in the democratic process discovered an unknown thirst for information. The referendum seeped into the Scottish psyche and gave rebirth to real democracy. A nation went through a political re-awakening.
« Our media should have reflected this inspirational period. Newspapers should have thrived, broadcasters should have excelled and journalists should have become heroes. But that didn’t happen. Instead agendas were pursued, news was manipulated and old allegiances maintained. At the helm of what I consider to be the media corruption that poisoned the independence debate was the BBC. At the eleventh hour, when Yes appeared to be on course for victory, the broadcaster pulled out all the stops to prevent a Yes triumph.
« The BBC is a global institution which has its headquarters in London. All major decisions are taken there. It is officially free from interference from the Westminster government of the day and by extension is apolitical – or is supposed to be. At the time of writing, it is policed by an organisation called the BBC Trust. »
‘The Propaganda Blitz’ by David Edwards and David Cromwell tells a similar story about how the British media operates and its close connections with the imperial state and its ‘values’.
There is a chapter in the book devoted to Scotland – ‘Scottish Independence: An Amazing Litany of Bias’ – as well as chapters on UK media bias relating to Palestine, Libya, Syria and Yemen.
Where most of these texts perhaps fall down, however, is their inability to recognise the despicable ongoing foreign actions of the state of England-as-UK (and of course the USA and others) as colonialism in one form or another.
I have it on DVD so an excellent watch too.
I think it came free with iScot magazine at the time.
Yes a must watch. I cancelled my direct debit immediately. I think the majority of Scots did. The state run propaganda channel has helped cut down a rainforest to tell me I’m on notice. Aye right! It’s run by fascists who wouldn’t know honest reporting if it bit them on the ass.
They’ve been caught repeatedly doctoring & editing their racist rants too over Jenny & TACO going to obliterate an entire civilisation with yet another Jenny – they quickly edited it. Too late – the world was watching & caught it. Lego AI certainly did.
I imagine the DVD version you mention has become the following YouTube. However punchy and immediate, it remains but a glimpse of the extended detailed analysis available in the original book.
DOCUMENTARY: ‘LONDON CALLING: BBC bias during the 2014 Scottish independence referendum’
link to youtube.com
But…..but….”Adrian & Wilma” say everything was fine, none of that happened; nothing to see here…..who should we believe???
They don’t even live in Scotland so what would they know?
Absolutely nothing. They’re just nosepoking trolls.
Geri;
Well….that’s one way of describing the pair of them…..
“WE WUZ ROBBED!!1111!!!”
Yawn.
It really is pointless trying to explain anything to you tinfoil hatters, albeit kudos to the ever-patient Aidan for even bothering to try. However, he might as well talk to chair he’s sitting on.
Carry on howling indignantly, impotently and endlessly at the Moon all hours of the day and night about “Yoons”, “M16”, “shadowy plots”, “the English”, “Colonisers” and all the rest, for all I care. (In fact please DO carry on, it’s really quite an amusing diversion).
Tbh I don’t respond for “James” and Geri. I know there is nothing anyone can say or do at the moment that would move them away from their deluded fantasies, it’s very hard to reason someone out of a position they haven’t reasoned themselves into. There are far more readers than posters here and it’s important to show others that this delusional contrived nonsense will be robustly challenged.
Adrian – how’s the weather in “Fifeshire”?
“.. it’s very hard to reason someone out of a position they haven’t reasoned themselves..”
Indeed, for the culturally assimilated colonized becomes “a manufactured being” (Memmi).
And this reminds us of the colonial mindset condition, which explains why some native groups ‘crave dependence’ whilst falling for the myth of British ‘superiority’ and rejecting their own liberation.
Which confirms that colonialism (and hence the Scots ‘No’ voter) is always ‘based on psychology’:
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
Aiden,
You are correct that emotional attachment to a particular stance wins out over reason.
Unfortunately, you seem to be in the category of delusion regarding the British State.
I think we can all agree that Scottish self determination is a threat to the UK. The vast majority would agree that it is an existential threat.
It is therefore reasonable to assume that organisations that are tasked with protecting the British State will do exactly that, no matter what the law of the land says, extrajudicial actions will not be shunned.
You may believe otherwise, but it’s a hard story to sell on here to people who have heard your nonsense before.
While we are here, perhaps you could explain the reasoning behind allowing another country to make our decisions for us when they can’t possibly prioritise our needs?
I agree it’s a hard sell to those who can’t accept their own deficiencies or come to terms with the fact that Yes lost in 2014 in a referendum where the rules were determined largely by the pro-independence Scottish government. So rather than come to terms with that reality it’s far more comforting to indulge in some brigadoon conspiracy fantasy.
Nobody in England is really bothered about the economic impact of Scotland leaving the Union, it’s more the emotional impact of the U.K. being broken up. For England, not that much changes and the prevailing view is it produces a slightly surplus for England, and London would bag a few of the companies based in Edinburgh.
“For England, not that much changes”
Indeed, following the supposed ‘Union’ in 1707, “for England nothing changed”, whilst “for Scotland everything changed”, much as one would expect after the annexation of one country by another; and Scotland remains today an annexed Non Self-Governing Territory as defined by the United Nations, i.e. a colony of England:
link to youtube.com
Due to heightened colonialist activity in this place it’s that time again:
Ther scarce be a wird pit doun here fae colonialists (unyonists if preferryd… baith be alike) that’s onythin’ ither than abuise, threit, lie, errure, afftak, diveesion, diversioun, distractioun, logicale fallace, or hatesome antiScot rethorik.
Inglis.
There’s barely a comment posted here by colonialists (unionists if preferred… same thing) that is anything other than insult, threat, lies, error, mockery, division, diversion, distraction, logical fallacy, or hateful anti-Scots rhetoric.
Once the above sentiment is thoroughly understood the urge to reply to colonialist comments (whether they are scribbled by English-born unionists or by formerly-Scottish English wannabes) who flounce around this place will be dramatically lessened.
This is mainly due to the realisation that colonialists (unionists if preferred… same thing) talk nonsensical pish.
Of course, if true Scots in here want to indulge in some easy sport by destroying unionist ‘arguments’ posted here then they can now engage with the colonialist in the safe knowledge that their minds are now immune to imperial Anglo-drivel.
“if true Scots in here want to indulge in some easy sport by destroying unionist ‘arguments’”
True Scots enjoy the vastly superior sport of destroying the drivel posted by Picts.
As our license to destroy the Picts themselves has been withdrawn.
Perhaps we’ll get it back if sufficient supporters and followers of the Declaration Of Arbroath can get their act together.
HMcH
Please re-post once you’ve sobered up and can make your point with clarity.
Thanks in advance.
I swore a solemn oath to respond to you only once in any 24-hour period.
But I don’t mind breaking it here. First, because I know you take solemn oaths very lightly indeed.
Second, because the sight of a die-hard Scottish Indy supporter being ignorant of the contents of the Declaration Of Arbroath is just too good to pass up.
Educate yersel, dude!
Look, everyone; Adrian used the word “Brigadoon”.
AI Dun
I see the latest polls (for what they are worth) have the Scotchland Conservative (and) Unionist (Members) in free fall.
On ye go; account for that.
What exactly has that got to do with me?
Poundshop Ellis…
Big election in 2 weeks, Dan. You should be serious, mature, and focused on getting the voters out for your precious cause (it’s not really shit scared monkeys, is it?).
Take Pound shops for example. What will they call themselves in an Independent Scotland?
OK, so you haven’t a scooby, because that’s one of the “minor details” you lack the smarts to suss out.
But you still have two weeks. The voters are still all there to be won.
Euroshop? Groatshop? BRICSshop?
FFS, don’t say it will still be Poundshop!
HMcH
Welcome back!
Shouldn’t you “be sorting out” a failed business you neglected by spending 24/7 on here, or, did they haul you back into remand for tax evasion?
Avoidance is one thing “old boy”, evasions another thing altogether..
Anyway, AI Dun has dodged a straightforward simple question; perhaps you will step in, answer it and enlighten us 🙂
Gaun!
Cheers, YL. It’s good to be back.
Thought I’d drop in to see how close we are to Indy. Damned if I can see any progress since my last visit, but feel free to differ.
I bet though, that no matter how much you argue, you won’t be setting a date for Indy within any of our lifetimes.
But who cares really, eh?
If Scotland got Indy, this place would close down. And what would you do then?
A pit of vipers is the strapline for this article. I just watched Question Time from Aberdeen, so an appropriate moment to comment now. A dearth of joined up critical thinking. Can we please stop the Dog Whistle politics. Two members of the panel mentioned Thatcher. She has been out of power since 1990 and dead since 2013. Meanwhile we have lost Grangemouth, Mossmoran, half the North East and failed spectacularly to get a foothold in the Supply Chain for the Renewables Industry. Struggling to vote for any of them.
“stop the Dog Whistle politics”
What other politics would most of them have left if they stopped that?
“we have lost Grangemouth, Mossmoran, half the North East and failed spectacularly to get a foothold in the Supply Chain for the Renewables Industry”
You have to offset against that the world-leading virtue-signalling performed by the fixtures attending our wee, pretendy parliament.
That moral superiority demands that the lesser Scots, such as tax payers, workers, etc. make big sacrifices.
“our wee, pretendy parliament”
Twas aye a fair description of a colonial administration, Hatey, also know as ‘indirect rule’ in colonial speak.
Still, this requires a collaborative elite of course plus the usual array of “confidential agents pensioned off at high reward” (Cesaire).
You are right though, we can’t expect much with a ‘nationalist’ colonial administration whose primary aim is “to protect the interest of the colonizer” (Memmi) while deceiving the people.
So the plunder and racket is enabled, with a limited colonial budget paying the ‘wages of colonialism’ for co-opted elites, assimilated bourgeoisie and proletariat.
Colonialism “is always a co-operative venture” (Fanon).
@ Alf Baird
»COLONIALISM is always a co-operative venture» (Fanon).
A truism, how did the Brits & French etc hold on against superior numbers of indigenous peoples, it was not simply a matter of superior armaments.
India is classic of the type. Militarization of the «conquered» is an essential element & progressive anglicization of the aristocracy etc. The ongoing power of AngloAmerican as a means of cerebral colonialism and the neglect of local forms of expression as mediums of higher learning.
Scotland & India both experience the phenomena.
The like continues to operate through US hard power coupled with soft power via the internet and US «leverage» by means of developing AI tech.
Even independent states are now subjects for exploitation, what then the fate of peoples without sovereignty?
Nationalism is only ever «toxic» to colonialists/neo colonialists and their mercenary helpers.
@ TARABDIN
“what then the fate of peoples without sovereignty?”
Indeed, the people and nation will ultimately ‘perish’ unless they ‘reclaim their sovereignty’ and remove the oppressor (Fanon).
In his study of Culture & Imperialism, Professor Edward Said reminds us that “the nations are only the bulwark against imperialism”.
Which helps explain why the colonized native “only becomes a nationalist to free his people” (Memmi).
Brian Cox was dead right when he stood on Calton Hill and told Scots to “make this country FFS free”:
link to youtube.com
AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THE SOFT SELL IS DONE,
link to facebook.com
I doubt in the texts used Scotland or Wales figure much.
The British Council operates on a similar English cultural canon model. When it is not English it becomes British of course.
Essentially rather crude, like all brands of colonialism.
Sturgeon and robison were along with others, corrupted, manipulated, controlled and blackmailed by the brit secret service. sturgeon drank from the poisoned chalice. groomed for SNP leadership on two fronts, ist the british state – they knew she could be turned when needed. and – Alex, unwittingly thinking she could carry the torch of freedom against the biritsh state.
At the crucial time, Sturgeon would sabotage the independence movement when the british state was at its weakest.
MI5 had its assasins around ceasar. Alex was attacked by those closest to him. The smiling assasins had done their job, backed by the powers of the brit state media and courts.
With a controlled leader of the SNP, Mi5 could guaruntee division and chaos in the so called party of indeopendance.
This is not new. They did similar things in the 1970s when the SNP were popular.
Now sturgeon, Robison and the cleek will go down in history like those who betrayed William Wallace. Their usefulness having gone, they will be exposed not for justice, but to sow further media spotlight on the workings of a party that once had a moral vision.
How do I know all this?? Well, perception can be a very accurate assessor. But, as a member who joined the snp at the same time as sturgeon and her ilk, I noticed very quickly just how difficult progression through the party was. Everything went through sturgeon in the YSN (Young Scottish Nationalists)She alone had way too much party influence. Her handlers in the SNP and Mi5 made sure all doors opened for her and any potential threats were challenged.
And so it came to pass.2014 proved it all.
As Ive said many times, The enemies of Scottish independence are hard at work in the cantre of the SNP.