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The House Scot and the Field Scot

Posted on January 13, 2018 by

An alert reader this weekend linked us to a 1963 speech by the famed American civil rights and racial equality campaigner Malcolm X.

We’d never heard of it before, which is probably to our shame, but as we read it we were overcome by an inexplicable sense of incredible familiarity.

We present it to you below for your interest, without further comment or editing, but we’ve included a few pictures just to break up the block of text.

So you have two types of Negro. The old type and the new type. Most of you know the old type. When you read about him in history during slavery he was called “Uncle Tom.” He was the house Negro. And during slavery you had two Negroes. You had the house Negro and the field Negro.

The house Negro usually lived close to his master. He dressed like his master. He wore his master’s second-hand clothes. He ate food that his master left on the table. And he lived in his master’s house – probably in the basement or the attic, but he still lived in the master’s house.

So whenever that house Negro identified himself, he always identified himself in the same sense that his master identified himself. When his master said, “We have good food,” the house Negro would say, “Yes, we have plenty of good food.” “We” have plenty of good food.

When the master said that “we have a fine home here,” the house Negro said, “Yes, we have a fine home here.”

When the master would be sick, the house Negro identified himself so much with his master he’d say, “What’s the matter boss, we sick?” His master’s pain was his pain. And it hurt him more for his master to be sick than for him to be sick himself.

When the house started burning down, that type of Negro would fight harder to put the master’s house out than the master himself would.

But then you had another Negro out in the field. The house Negro was in the minority. The masses – the field Negroes were the masses. They were in the majority. When the master got sick, they prayed that he’d die. If his house caught on fire, they’d pray for a wind to come along and fan the breeze.

If someone came to the house Negro and said, “Let’s go, let’s separate,” naturally that Uncle Tom would say, “Go where? What could I do without boss? Where would I live? How would I dress? Who would look out for me?”

That’s the house Negro. But if you went to the field Negro and said, “Let’s go, let’s separate,” he wouldn’t even ask you where or how. He’d say, “Yes, let’s go.” And that one ended right there.

So now you have a twentieth-century-type of house Negro. A twentieth-century Uncle Tom. He’s just as much an Uncle Tom today as Uncle Tom was 100 and 200 years ago. Only he’s a modern Uncle Tom.

That Uncle Tom wore a handkerchief around his head. This Uncle Tom wears a top hat. He’s sharp. He dresses just like you do. He speaks the same phraseology, the same language. He tries to speak it better than you do.

He speaks with the same accents, same diction. And when you say, “your army,” he says, “our army.” He hasn’t got anybody to defend him, but anytime you say “we” he says “we.” “Our president,” “our government,” “our Senate,” “our congressmen,” “our this and our that.”

And he hasn’t even got a seat in that “our” even at the end of the line.

So this is the twentieth-century Negro. Whenever you say “you,” the personal pronoun in the singular or in the plural, he uses it right along with you. When you say you’re in trouble, he says, “Yes, we’re in trouble.”

But there’s another kind of black man on the scene. If you say you’re in trouble, he says, “Yes, you’re in trouble.” 

He doesn’t identify himself with your plight whatsoever.

Yeah, we think we see what you’re getting at, Malc.

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    1. Smallaxe says:

      “Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you’re a man, you take it.”

      Malcolm X

    2. paul mccormack says:

      ‘No flim flam, no shim sham, no sell-out.’

      As a chilling ‘parable’, YES, it’s all there.

    3. Malc McD says:

      Great Analogy, brought out a sardonic smile. As always a great piece.

    4. Highland Wifie says:

      Stockholm syndrome. An adaptive behaviour to protect the self in stressful situations.
      After 300 years of captivity it’s a difficult psychological protection to break.

    5. Edward Andrews says:

      Malcolm X is much more complicated than being a Civil Rights Campaigner. He was making much more radical claims in 1963 than the claims for civil rights. At that stage he was still involved in the Nation of Islam, an American Black supremacist group, rather than a body looking for either Equality, or even Affirmative action.
      The only reason I can write this is that I am old enough to remember the time and how Malcolm X responded to the Assassination of Kennedy.
      Having said this, it is well for us to remember that there are through the Unionists movement in both Scotland and Ireland those who really wish to be English – an example this week is the Arch Unionists in Northern Ireland, John Taylor (now Lord Kilclooney) making very racist comments from an English point of view. The problem is that while it would be pleasing to describe some of the Unionists as Uncle Toms, the use to the term would give more problems and provide more opportunities for negative headlines than would be solved.
      There is no point in calling names for the sake of it.

    6. Geoff Huijer says:

      Fascinating & spookily accurate to our situation here in Scotland.

      Run!

    7. Mark says:

      Perhaps our SNP MPs currently enjoying the benefits of daily life in Westminster would do well to take notice of this speech too. Time to come home?

    8. gordoz says:

      Cause of a US background I felt such comparisons were always valid. Its to do with peoples rights to emancipation in all areas. As this sorry mess of a UK stands some of us will always be ‘more equal’ than others. Some of us will side with the oppressors as pointed out. I’ve been linking these subjects for ages to friends & felt I couldn’t raise this as I’d get slammed.
      There are degrees of course, but we still are experiencing oppression, its just the more equal among us don’t mind so much.

      Thanks for this Rev best article in ages IMO.
      If Revs post makes sense to you then check out BBC 4 History of Funk (George Clinton / Funkadelic / Parliament etc). It covers this in some detail. Comparisons for all to see !

      We need to learn fast folks, they are keeping our freedom movement down in similar ways.

    9. gordoz says:

      Fight the power !

    10. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      They are not Uncle Toms @Edward Andrews says at 11:46 am

      They are Uncle Tams.

    11. Bugger (the Panda) says:

      Excellent analysis of the slave mentalities.

      Overlay that with Masters efforts to retain his slave labour when the tide of history was shifting…the abusive partner repression of the outside slaves, this time aided and abetted by the inside ones

    12. TheItalianJob says:

      Actually viewed this speech last year from someone who linked it on a comment here on Wings.

      Very emotive and kind of sums up the different types we have in Scotland regarding those that want Independence and those who want to still be part of this sham of a Union.

    13. jimnarlene says:

      The juxtaposition of that, wonderful, speech and those “pictures”, is truly magnificent.

    14. Smallaxe says:

      gordoz,

      A link regarding your comment.
      The Story of Funk: One Nation Under a Groove
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04t6nm5

    15. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Brilliant post, inspirational.

      This is the reality the Yoons daren’t address, either from denial or simple fear. Most of us have had more than enough of WM/Tory shite and are ready to fight. That’s the only way slavery ever ends.

      Pretty sure it was Malcolm X who said, ‘What is the most dangerous creature in America? A black man with a library card.

    16. Rockhaggis says:

      I coined a phrase some time ago which for me, encapsulates the ‘house negro’ in Scotland very well … ‘Tartan Morris Dancer’.

    17. mike cassidy says:

      You have to read the full speech for context.

      http://archive.is/ULhdD

    18. Valerie says:

      I knew of the speech and it is indeed an interesting compare and contrast.

      One thing that strikes me about the Blare McDougall tweet, everything is about money. Whether we like it or not, threat of penury cuts through. I have no concept of why that is, because the country is circling the drain, and will hit us all in same way.

      I think there is a breaking point coming now, and its money based. If inflation continues, and I believe it will, those Scots that can be open to persuasion, have to take a decision.

      Do I remain with the UK, who is well holed below the waterline, or do I start paying attention to how well run Scotland is in comparison, and the potential with independence?

      When things are SO demented, desperate in the South, those who took the ‘I’m alright, Jack, don’t rock the boat’ view, might just have to start doing compare and contrast of their own.

    19. Croompenstein says:

      The Irish have the best word to describe this – shoneen

      https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/shoneen

    20. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Croompenstein @ 12:26,

      That’s just brilliant of them! (I suppose they must have had their lot too.)

      I suppose a Scots equivalent might be “tammie”…

    21. PhilM says:

      This is perfect…a perfect intellectual tool for clarifying issues. F***ing top notch. Congrats to the alert reader for finding this and to the Rev. for applying it so well.
      I’ve noticed SiU’s second lieutenant, HappyMealBritScot Cameron,
      often says something like ‘forget referndums, forget independence, let’s get on with dealing with the real problems that affect Scotland’ etc. etc…let’s i.e. let us.
      The real problems of his class will be the threat of further land reform, a proper register of land ownership, the threat of govt. to offshore interests, stricter bank regulation…in other words…he and his class fear regulation whereas for most Scots it is only regulation that stops the feral rich from enslaving them and we all know that if they could enslave us they would.
      The SiU types will want an independent Scotland to fail and they will work towards its failure. If and when we do well as an independent country the Call of the Home Counties will be irresistible.

    22. Bob Mack says:

      If ever you wondered why some Scots put up with daily indignity at the hands of Westminster,you just got your answer.

      We here on Wings and on other sites are the ones Unionists see as getting above our station.

      We are not the people you see. We should know our place, like the Marks and Spencer letter.

      I know my place and I know who I am. A free Scot who wants his country back.

    23. Flower of Scotland says:

      What a great piece, Rev. It kind of sums up the situation here in Scotland at the moment.

      I live amongst folk who dress, work and play like the Aristocracy. They wish to be them. Put themselves into debt to try to be like them. Even some members of my family assume this role.

      If it hadn’t been for my father teaching me about Wallace and Bruce and some history of Scotland and instilling some pride in me for my country, Scotland, I might have thought that being Anglicized upper class was something that I should work hard to achieve. At school, they made that clear. That was the goal for working class kids.

      Very few of these “gentrified” people were taught Scottish history at school. They want us Scots to be part of England and they feel part of England. Some of them are English but not all. They will never vote for Scottish Independence unless Brexit hits their pockets.

    24. Athanasius says:

      Looks like Scots are finally getting it.

    25. ronnie anderson says:

      Rev Ah kin see the headlines the noo WoS Editor calling people Uncle Tom’s lol .

    26. Valerie says:

      @ Croomp

      Brilliant. I’m catching up on my Irish heritage, because my Irish mother was/ is sadly a ‘shoneen’.

      My mother was born and raised in the shadow of the site of Boycotts colonial home, and she has no idea or has forgotten that torrid history of Irish people, and their struggle for dignity.

    27. bobajock says:

      The hairs on my arms are standing on end.

      Spooked.

    28. I suspect there are too many people, particularly in England who appear to be still living in denial and believe that Brexit won’t be that bad and everything will turn out okay in the end.

      When Brexit does happen and it turns out as bad or worse than has been predicted, it will be very interesting to see how many of those British Nationalist politicians want to be identified with Brexit.

    29. Arthur Martin says:

      Great article Stu.
      The BBC and MSM are well aware of what Malcolm X wrote back in the day and its relevance to events happening in Scotland today. Their job is too keep the masses, the field Negroes as Malcolm X put it, in an ignorant and misinformed condition. They are very adept at it having had hundreds of years to perfect it.
      At the end of the day, I suppose that change will only come when enough of these masses see the deception for what it is, and realise that their future and that of their children’s lies in an Independent Scotland free from the influence of their masters house.
      If the latest polls are accurate, then it’s a only a heartbeat away.

    30. Yerkitbreeks says:

      Not free from propaganda and the southern establishment, I’m afraid Bob

    31. Proud Cybernat says:

      One for Ian Brotherhood…

      https://imgur.com/a/3o6rl

    32. The Autobiography of Malcolm X (1965) is a must read,what a life and death,

      well worth listening to his speeches as Malcolm X is one of the greatest orators,

      he came to understand who the real enemy was,the Western Establishment,

      why he is called Malcolm `X`

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJYoRvoGq3w

    33. Capella says:

      Brilliant analysis. We can all think of examples of Uncle Tams from our history and present. Harry Lauder is a striking example IMO.

      My favourite film is “The Heat of the Night” starring Sidney Poitier and Rod Steiger. Captures the antagonism between the characters, the poor white trash, the black Philadelphia detective and the jaded police chief trying to keep his job in the corrupt south.

      If we had a film industry of our own we could make many examples to illustrate the issue.

      They call me Mr Tibbs clip:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0hytuh6GIk

    34. Bob Mack says:

      @Yerkit breeks,

      I am free now. Sadly, for many years,too many in fact, I lived in ignorance of the scheme of things. My life was family job house. I knew little of politics except what leaflets told me. I knew little of Scottish history except what education gave me.I knew more of the House of Tudor than I did the Bruce.

      Finding Wings and it’s contributors has opened a door I never knew existed. I am free.

      Hopefully many more will cast aside the binds and join us.

      Hope springs eternal, and that is a truth no man can deny.

    35. Macart says:

      History does that. Just when you think you’re in a unique circumstance it gives you a gentle tap on the shoulder.

      Pet theme of mine, the criminality of allowing others/the state/your ‘betters’ to define you.

      Neatly done Rev.

    36. geeo says:

      Read 2 great articles earlier this morning from Peter A Bell and Gordon MacIntyre Kemp from Business in Scotland.

      They seem appropriate to this article and Stu’s additions to the speech.

      Gordons article….http://archive.is/Yj7zQ

      Peter’s…………http://archive.is/8KJGM

    37. Indy 2019 says:

      O/T
      Des Clarke, useful BBC Scotland idiot and Unionist presenter, got a mate of mine barred from the Village Hotel gym across from the BBC Scotland studios in Govan on Thursday.

      My mate took offence to BBC Scotland filming at the gym and told them so, then Des Clarke got involved and told my mate to fuck off and commented that “all you Nationalists are the same”.

      Clarke then went to the Hotel management and got my mate put out of the Hotel. The Village Hotel took the side of Des Clarke because BBC Scotland threatened to stop using the Hotel if they didn’t throw out my friend.

      One nil to Des Clarke and BBC Scotland.

    38. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Proud Cybernat –

      Soo-perb!

      😉

    39. Think a link to the `House and Field negroes` speech has been posted on Wings comments quite a few times over last couple of years,

      I`m sure Capella has done numerous times,

      anyhoo,

      was once going to comment about comparisons between Stu and Malcolm X,

      both controversial antiestablishmentarianists,

      both hated by the Establishment for their outspoken views that they can`t control,

      both hated by some in their supposed own side `cause they do not conform,toe the line,

      both admired and appreciated by the real grass roots/common man/woman,

      both cut through the purple prose rhetoric and convey their message succinctly,

      there was more but i`m away oot.

    40. heedtracker says:

      Blair MacDoofcukall is the archetypal red tory house negro for sure.

      What makes him even more repellant is the fact that his SLabour have meant Scotland nothing but harm, since the 60’s at least. Ofcourse they say nothing like that, but it is now and always has been England first, for SLabour. And the red tories take their Lords rewards.

      Scotland’s always back of the Q, bottom of the pile, last on the list, dropped off the list, you name it. Just give them your country’s treasure and shut the hell up.

    41. R-Type Grunt says:

      This is an outstanding piece of work my man. Truly excellent.

    42. Arthur Martin says:

      @ Bob Mack

      A lot of us are just like you Bob Macks, me included. Blindly voted Labour for years just
      Ike my Ma & Da but woke up after Blair and the War in Iraq.
      The first Indyref really opened my eyes and blogs like Stu’s and others lit a fire under me.
      No going back now.

    43. David Caledonia says:

      Its a good comparison with Scotland’s situation, but there are one or two huge differences between the civil rights movement and the scottish situation

      First…. we have a vote to change our situation

      Second…. We have people who take their power and wealth from being serviant to westminster, these people will never change, when scotland becomes independent these people are well and truly finished in any political sense in scotland
      The davidsons and rennies of scotland will have to get a real job and take their chances with the rest of us in the job market

      Davidson and Rennie especially will go down in scottish history as uncle toms , working for the english union, that scotland never wanted and fought against from the very beginning, they are worse than ("Tractor" - Ed)s, they do all their dirty work out in the open, and they don’t even have the intelligence or good grace to try and hide their contempt for the freely elected government of the people of scotland…. shame on them all

    44. Bobp says:

      Bob mack 12.32pm.And so say all of us.

    45. David Caledonia says:

      I don’t know where tractor eds came from, it should read ("Tractor" - Ed)s, but maybe Tractor eds is just as good, cause they won’t get out of the hole they have dug for themselves

    46. Ian Brotherhood says:

      It’s a myth that slavery was ‘ended’ by the British.

      It’s also a myth that slavery in the US is ‘over’.

      If you have Netflix/Amazon please watch a documentary called ‘I3th’. Here’s a review, and some excerpts should be available on Youtube.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/30/movies/13th-review-ava-duvernay.html

    47. Cuilean says:

      Watched ‘Gone With The Wind’ in our all white house with three kids home from uni and all under 25. They had never watched this film before. They were astonished and horrified at the casual racism and white propagandist re-writing of the American Civil War and slavery as a benign and civilising regime; for the blacks own good, who were definitely too poor and too stupid to look after themselves.

      I had not watched this film for over a decade but I wondered why I had not been previously appalled at this film’s cultural revisionist portrayal of history, especially the blatant primitive caricaturing of all of the black actors.

      One sees that same revisionist story telling of British culture as a benign global influence. When did you last watch a BBC programme on the systematic extinction of aboriginal Tasmanians by the British? Or the British concentration camps of women and children starved to death in the Boer War? Or the Irish Famine millions? The Irish in question then being ‘British’. Or the treatment of Indians in their own country during the British Raj, not allowed to walk on the main streets, the Amritsar Massacre?

      But back to ‘Gone With The Wind’. It’s worst example of casual racism actually caused outbursts of shocked disbelief from my family’s young, white, Scots viewers. Ex-Confederate army officer, Cpt Ashley, muses wistfully to Scarlet, that what he misses most from the pre-war days are the quiet evenings when all one heard was the soft laughter from the ‘negro quarters’.

      It reminded me that all the British Nationalist yoons want to do is go back to the days of our own Scots Uncle Tams, when we could be portrayed casually as being too wee, too poor and too stupid and usually also too mean and too drunk.

    48. Bobp says:

      Indy 2019.1.29pm. Am I wrong or was des Clarke a guest on rt’s Alex salmond show a couple of weeks ago?.

    49. Capella says:

      Love the link to the Malcolm X quotes above. This one about the MSM is striking:
      https://tinyurl.com/ydaql6tu

      @ Scot Finlayson – yes – I’m old enough to remember when he was active and also when he was shot. Sad.

    50. Proud Cybernat says:

      @ Indy2019

      I kinda know Des Clarke and from my chats with him he very much supports Scottish indy (he even does shows with Alex Salmond) so what you say here is odd. Not saying what you say didn’t occur – just that it’s odd/peculiar.

    51. galamcennalath says:

      Croompenstein says:

      The Irish have the best word to describe this – shoneen

      shoneen (plural shoneens)

      (Ireland, derogatory) One who prefers English attitudes, customs or lifestyle to Irish ones.

      House negros, shoneens, and Uncle Tams. Fairly accurate descriptions. I’d bet there are other words and examples from around the world.

      They want to something they are not because they can’t accept and be proud of what they are,

    52. Capella says:

      @ David Caledonia – Black people in the USA did have the vote. What they couldn’t do was register to vote. Intimidation, manipulation, imprisonment (you lose your right to vote if convicted of a felony) and many other methods were/are used to prevent black people form exercising their civil rights.

    53. HandandShrimp says:

      Indy2019

      Was that the Des Clarke that did the “roast of Trump” with Alex Salmond in the Edinburgh festival?

    54. Robert Peffers says:

      @Arthur Martin says: 13 January, 2018 at 12:42 pm:

      “Their job is too keep the masses, the field Negroes as Malcolm X put it, in an ignorant and misinformed condition. They are very adept at it having had hundreds of years to perfect it.”

      Nah! This is where the those taught our real history, and not the parcel of lies that stems from the Westminster Establishment, teaches that they have had a minimum of at least 2,073 years experience.

      The Romans came in 55/54BC and became a south eastern based elite ruling class in Britain. The Romans built Londinium and established a customs & Excise system very much like we have today. After several hundred years when Rome ruled south Britain only the Romans left south Britain and Londinium.

      Only to be replaced, (by the south Britain Uncle Thomas’), by the invited into south Britain Anglo Saxon, (Germanic), tribes. Who soon assumed the elite ruling class mantle left vacant by the Romans. The South Britain Uncle Thomas’s were delighted to have them as their masters.

      These Germanic Tribes, (actually NOT from what we know as modern Germany but more from the Scandinavian areas of Europe. Began a series of such Germanic tribes ending with the Normans, (Norman is a corruption of Norsemen), and it was these that gave us the feudal system of masters and slaves, (serfs or villeins), that we still have today.

      The Royals are Germanic as are the hereditary peers who still sit in the House of Lords today. Thing is although the Normans did become rulers and monarchs in Scotland there was never a Norman Conquest in Scotland as happened in what became England, (Angleland), Wales and Ireland. In Scotland the Norman’s integrated and were absorbed by the Northern Britons who had become the Scots. This occurred by marriage. Note that Robert Bruce’s father he was distantly related to the Scottish royal family and his mother had Gaelic antecedents.

      So the historic truth is that south Britons have been, “House Slaves”, to an unbroken succession of elite rules from around 55BC until the present day while the Scots were conned into a union with the south a mere 311 yeas age.

      Now while the British gene pool is fairly standard and most certainly NOT either Anglo Saxon or Celtic in origin but from Stone Age Britons there is a most definite cultural difference in Scotland where the northern Britons were never subjugated by anyone until after the Treaty of Union and that was a slowly Westminster/Londinium progression that seems now to be getting increasingly fought against by the modern Scots.

      Roll on Indyref2.

      “At the end of the day, I suppose that change will only come when enough of these masses see the deception for what it is, and realise that their future and that of their children’s lies in an Independent Scotland free from the influence of their masters house.
      If the latest polls are accurate, then it’s a only a heartbeat away.”

      Now that last bit certainly seems to better fit our real history that is unsullied by Westminster propaganda.

    55. Training Day says:

      A seminal speech from a brilliant and fearless man.

      Perhaps the house negroes of the ‘Scottish’ MSM might take note. Then again they’ll be too preoccupied asking themselves ‘what could I do without boss?’

    56. ahundredthidiot says:

      Cuilean

      I would suggest if your kids cant put that into perspective then they are in for a hard life.

      Next you’ll be telling us Wallace was a terrorist.

    57. Thepnr says:

      @Ian Brotherhood

      Pretty sure it was Malcolm X who said, “What is the most dangerous creature in America? A black man with a library card.”

      This is why there were no debates between the Yes & No side at public meetings before the last referendum. The intention was to keep the general public as ill informed and as ignorant as possible before the vote.

      Knowledge is power and they were having none of that, look at the state of ignorance spread by the BBC in these two short “informative” animations produced and shown by the BBC.

      You would think that they were made for an audience of 5 year olds.

      Check out this 1 minute long BBC animation on Scotland’s relationship with the EU post Independence from 01 Sep 2014

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-scotland-29011811/scottish-independence-animation-on-scotland-and-the-eu

      Then there’s this 3 minute animation on defence in an Independent Scotland if we voted Yes from 13 April 2014

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-scotland-27002723/scottish-independence-what-s-the-defence-debate-all-about

      After I saw that second animation I made my first ever complaint to the BBC. Guess what? I was brushed aside and ignored. I’ve learn’t a lot since then though and will be ready for them next time.

      I’ve no intention of being an Uncle Tam, we’ll take what is rightfully ours. Go get a library card and get ready alternatively you could just keep reading Wings.

    58. galamcennalath says:

      Flower of Scotland says:

      They will never vote for Scottish Independence unless Brexit hits their pockets.

      Indeed. And it’s just not the Anglicised. In IndyRef1 I have no doubt that many who felt Scottish-first voted NO with a heavy heart because they genuinely felt that this was the ‘safe’ option for their families.

      For IndyRef2 we must portray Brexit UK as the risky insecure option while iScotland closely associated with the EU is the safest future.

      Scottish-first folks will have no excuse for voting anything but YES.

      Among the British-first folks, proud-buts, Anglicised Scots, etc will be some who put financial status before their nationalism. We don’t need many to switch.

      The Tories are doing their damnest to deliver that for us!

    59. Proctor Lewis says:

      Stuart
      This is probably your best ever post, in my opinion.

      Thank you ?

    60. Él Cruden says:

      Croompenstein:

      Nice! Had never heard that one. Always thought ‘castle catholic’ was impressively terse, though unhelpful – for obvious reasons – in a Scottish/Holyrood context. One of the key achievements of the SNP has to be that Scotland increasingly views Holyrood as the seat of power, not Westminster. ’twas definitely not so under McConnell. Keeping Holyrood as far removed from a comparison to late C19/early C20 Dublin Castle is going to be tough post-Smith.

    61. schrodingers cat says:

      the stone age, neolithic stone circle building, peoples of britain and ireland died out, from plague, desease or war. they were completely replaced by the yamnaya beaker people about 2500 bce.

      the celtic language and culture arose in britain and ireland and spread to the continent and as such the British gene pool is fairly standard and most certainly Celtic in origin

    62. heedtracker says:

      Robert Peffers says:

      Hey Rab, how old is England anyway? Did someone just say, this is England now? It could have gone either way too, it was almost cut in half by the Vikings, until Harold defeated that at Stamford?

      Was it there and then?

      The start of England is not something you ever hear, in the UK, “where and when was England called England?”

      Maybe its just part of the tory mindset, in that, origins of power held in the UK must never be questioned, a permanence and divine right, like the union with their Scotland region?

      If something has a beginning, it also has an end?

      This is not uncommon, in English history stories.

      On last night,

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09lt2tr

      “Paul Seabright, economist and author, presents an omnibus edition of his investigation into our trading past. In part one, he explores the very earliest history of trade; he looks at the connections that war and disease have with trade; and he asks whether distance still matters in trade as much in the digital age as it did when goods were transported by donkey.”

      Its nae bad, as histories go but there is no mention whatsoever of the UK slave trade, maybe next show, but why would he not give a mention to the fact that the British Empire was the biggest slave empire planet Earth has ever seen?

      Or that 18th century UK was transformed and enriched immeasurably by the vast Brit empire slave profit, transformed from essentially a minor and poor parochial monarchic offshore Europe state, to what we can see today in all the vast neo classical landed gentry estates, country seats, palaces, slaver cities like London, Bristol, Liverpool, Glasgow etc.

      And then all that slave trade profit providing a tiny UK elite with the required capital for the UK Victorian industrial revolution. Because actually sharing it with the UK masses was not the way at all, and what’s changed in the UKOK zone today?

    63. Quinie frae Angus says:

      That paragraph about Margaret Curran is illuminating. I remember she was absolutely spitting feathers at the time – embittered and furious that she’d been deprived of her big important seat – to which, naturally, she felt wholly entitled. Out of all the SLAB “big timers” who hate the Nats, hers is probably the most visceral hatred.

    64. heedtracker says:

      Aha!

      Episode 2
      Conflict and Co-operation: A History of Trade, Omnibus Episode 2 of 2

      Paul Seabright, economist and author, presents part two of the omnibus edition of his investigation into our trading past. Paul explores what happens when different trading cultures collide, he examines the role of slavery in the story of global trade, and he salutes the shipping container.

    65. Dr Jim says:

      Some people can read all the great books and learn nothing
      some can read the ingredients on a chewing gum wrapper and unfold the secrets of the Universe (Lex Luthor)

      Scottish Unionists are in the former category

      I need a bit of humour when I’m angry

    66. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Being 50+ I sometimes wonder if younger Scots appreciate how racist this country is. Youtube is a fantastic resource for illustrating the attitudes many of us were brought-up believing to be ‘normal’.

      For example, there used to be a telly programme called The Comedians. I don’t know if it has a modern equivalent but it was hugely popular in the 70s, probably at its peak when it starred characters like Bernard Manning, Stan Boardman, Frank Carson. You get the picture, but only when you revisit the archive material do you end up having to watch through your fingers – it’s truly appalling. ‘So, there’s these thick paddies, darkies, pakis’ etc etc etc

      Those attitudes haven’t vanished. We saw it in the House of Commons with that repulsive Tory citing Cromwell’s slavery of Scots as part of an unfunny joke. We see it in Bozza Johnson every other time he opens his mouth. We see it in the so-called ‘royal’ family despite mighty efforts to make them fit for some unknown purpose. And it’s not just WM Tories. The elderly woman who works in my corner shop experiences verbal abuse regularly. It’s everywhere.

      The same characters who attacked Yessers on Sep 19th 2014 are watching their beloved empire come apart – the same methodology which built that empire will be used to try and preserve it, and racism is a major element of it. They know no other way.

    67. ronnie anderson says:

      https://twitter.com/FionaGrahame/status/952118975328145408 Will Liam Fox get a trade deal lol.

    68. Bob Mack says:

      My paternal grandfather refused to acknowledge me because I was brought up a Catholic and went to a Catholic school. It actually took my father many years to re-establish contact with his parents after he was ejected from home for daring to marry a Catholic girl, my wonderful mother.

      Often when I visited my grandfather would ignore me completely, or go out for the day. Such was his hatred. He never got to know me at all. His loss.

      Such is the grip on ordinary people from the tentacles of the British establishment, such as religion, lodge . These are the bonds that must be overcome. I did it. I offered him my caring and he refused, so I moved on

      I have friends from all persuasions and backgrounds and I am richer for that experience. Only small people limit themselves.

    69. Fred says:

      DNA mapping studies by Prof Stephen Oppenheimer have proved that the present British population is overwhelmingly descended from the first hunter-gatherers to settle here after the ice-age.
      “Before Scotland!” by Alistair Moffat.

    70. Tony Little says:

      @Ian Brotherhood

      Re TV shows. One of the worst for casual racism was one called (IIRC) “Mind your language”. It was an evening class for foreigners learning English and had every single racist stereotype you could imagine. Some people online think it was the best comedy ever made, seriously!

      Looking back on it now, I have to admit it never occurred to me quite how racist it was, because it was a typical reflection of everyday attitudes. Thankfully these are changing, albeit slowly.

    71. ronnie anderson says:

      (The Village Hotel took the side of Des Clarke because BBC Scotland threatened to stop using the Hotel if they didn’t throw out my friend. ) .

      ALERT and that all happened in the, ,of how long . Did the manager of the Hotel phone bbc also

    72. Vestas says:

      Malcolm X – a much maligned man and much of that is to do with Christian “racism” as much as the standard “not-white” racism still prevalent amongst all Americans. No only was he black, he wouldn’t susbscribe to the “One Nation Under God” (Christian naturally!) bullshit the USA still pushes now.

      I think were I in his position I’d have found it impossible to advocate anything other than violence. Peaceful protest never got blacks anything but a bullet in the USA – and that’s still true today.

    73. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Tony Little –

      I’d forgotten all about that but as soon as I read your comment it came rushing back. No doubt that’ll be on YT as well.

    74. gus1940 says:

      I agree with the comment above that ‘In The Heat Of The Night’ was a brilliant film with a wonderful haunting rendition of the title song by Ray Charles.

    75. scottieDog says:

      “McDougall tweet, everything is about money. Whether we like it or not, threat of penury cuts through. I have no concept of why that is, because the country is circling the drain, and will hit us all in same way.”

      But blair doesn’t understand momey, or macroeconomics for that matter.

    76. Robert Peffers says:

      Just remember, Wingers, that some commenters here were grown adults with young families in the early 1960s when Malcom X was making headlines throughout the World. Not only that but some of us were already seasoned independence activists and some of us had actually already either been taught real history, researched it for ourselves, or both.

      We witnessed the ugly face of the USAsian civil Rights suppression of the coloured Americans and had learned the truth of the still rife Western films still being churned out by Hollywood. We knew all about the USA hypocrisy.

      I had discovered back then that there was an entire Tribe of native Americans that bore my own surname and that unlike the English settlers in North America the early Scottish, “Bay Boys”, Scottish recruits to the Hudson Bay Company of which many were from the Highlands & Islands of Scotland were more inclined to marry a native American woman than to scalp her.

      Mind you they did convert them to Christianity so scalping may have been preferable.

      The Hudson Bay Company were still recruiting Scots in the 1970s.

    77. I am sure that when the unionists read uncle toms cabin they will think the hero of the book is Simon Magrew who kept all the slaves in their place OT I am going to visit Southern Ireland this year by car from larne and as soon as I get across the border in the south I,will stop the car somewhere quiet and get out and for the first time in my 79 years I will be able to breathe in the air of,a free country

    78. HandandShrimp says:

      The M&S thing is a shocker although I suppose it will depend upon what they come back with to Mrs Davidson. The author of the letter appears to have parted company with M&S and it may be that they were deliberately sowing ill will as a parting shot (or were/are a member of SiU 😉 )

    79. Fred says:

      M & S payback for their threats during the Scottish referendum!

    80. birnie says:

      Re ‘Uncle Tams’ – perhaps this term can be regarded pettily offensive, but it would be helpful to have a shorthand descriptor for their counterparts in 2018 Scotland.

      My preference is for ‘Home Counties Scots’ – not particularly abusive, and a fairly accurate description of those who adopt the mores and aspire to achieve the status and lifestyle of the establishment.

      To my shame, I admit to having long ago been a ‘Home Counties Scot’ myself – born in Scotland, educated at an English public school, commissioned in the army and serving with the Brigade of Guards; even helped in establishing ‘enlightened good order’ amongst colonials who seemed to be too keen on precipitate independence. I enjoyed the privileges of what seemed to be the natural and legitimate order.

      Fortunately, living for the last forty years back in my native country has brought me to my senses.

    81. Ian Foulds says:

      Geeo at 1.24pm

      Thanks for these two good articles.

      Ian

    82. Lenny Hartley says:

      Already emailed M+S telling them i wont be frequenting their stores again, i used to enjoy some of their grub, but now I would rather eat a “grub” than give them my dosh.

    83. Breeks says:

      I personally doubt Malcolm X would have much sympathy for Scotland. Not from any racist perspective, but merely because the hurdles and risks we face in Scotland over political emancipation from the UK would be dwarfed by the grievously more unjust, hateful, and life threateningly dangerous circumstances suffered for centuries by his own people.

      But setting aside Martin Luther King and Malcolm X, both of whom would be assassinated, for me personally, the most gut wrenching episode, the one that makes me cringe as a white person, is the image and pristine dignity of Dorothy Counts, the first black American student to attend her local High School, being barracked and ridiculed by jeering whites.
      The picture that springs to mind whenever somebody mentions American civil rights isn’t Martin LK or Malcom X. It isn’t even the riots, killings, the KKK, or the burning crosses and lynchings. It’s the extraordinary dignity of Dorothy Counts going to school. It was 1956, she was 15 years old, ridiculed, spat on, insulted, taunted, but held her head high and kept her dignity throughout. She put up with it for 4 days before her father stepped in, and Dorothy went to a different school. But in 2008, 52 years later, (and as far as I know Dorothy is still alive) the All white school which Dorothy attended renamed its library in her honour.

      I wonder if 50 or 60 years from now, people will be quoting Scotland’s YES and SNP Independence rhetoric with the same profound reverence as we have for Malcolm X, or be remarking on the tremendous dignity of our own Dorothy Counts… Makes you realise that perhaps we’re missing our own Malcolm X type lightning conductor and Dorothy Counts dignity from our own freedom campaign for Scotland.

      We were definitely getting there in 2014. That wee lass standing with the saltire beside the two neds with Union Jacks was an awesome picture… We need a lot more of that.

      If we win, and do it peacefully, then there is a chance it can, and will, be a beacon to other Nations, but I feel right now we need a big dose of inspiration added to our aspirations.

    84. Bill McDermott says:

      A good reflection on our predicament, but looking forward I want to know what will happen when Theresa says “Now is not the time” roughly at the end of the Brexit deal.

      It is at that stage that Scotland must grow up and find a way through to Indyref 2. In my view we have to be truly revolutionary in the way that the Catalans were in taking precipitate action and at the same time appeal to the UN and the EU. No longer can we sit it out, trying to participate in the Westminster club. We have to withdraw like the Irish and act as an independent country. No more Uncle Toms.

    85. Helena Brown says:

      Edward Andrews, I have a name for many of these people, Stu frowns on it so I cannot use it here. It is probably the most accurate one even with the ahem, Treaty of Union.

    86. doineann says:

      Genius.. exceptional intellectual creative power of natural ability.

    87. Robert Peffers says:

      @Fred says: 13 January, 2018 at 3:02 pm:

      “DNA mapping studies by Prof Stephen Oppenheimer have proved that the present British population is overwhelmingly descended from the first hunter-gatherers to settle here after the ice-age.
      “Before Scotland!” by Alistair Moffat.”

      Indeed so, Fred, but try telling that to some Wingers and you are banging your head on a brick wall. A dig near the Northumbrian village of Howick found Neolithic remains and a subsequent genetic survey around the area discovered a woman who was a direct descendent of remains from the Howick dig.

      Almost unbelievably this woman’s family had lived in the same area since Neolithic times. In fact the earliest Britons are proven to have lived on what we now call Doggerland. This is now the area of the Dagger Bank under the North Sea.

      In Neolithic times that low lying area slowly flooded and the inhabitants moved to the nearest high ground – what we now call Britain. But read up thread and we have claims we are al of Celtic descent. In fact there really is little Celtic Blood in our Gene pool. The early North Britons adopted the Celtic language and culture from the early Christian saints just as the more southerly Britons adopted the Anglo Saxon languages and cultures but there is less than 5% actual Anglo Saxon blood in their gene pool and guess in what strata of the modern British gene pool they are mainly found in?

      Yep! The royals and the aristocracy.

    88. Capella says:

      @ Gus1940 – the clip with Ray Charles singing the title song is on youtube. Brilliant illustration of what Malcolm X was talking about. Complete with house negro, field negro, educated field negro and the cotton fields. 6 mins:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3Mu-rpO8ws

    89. schrodingers cat says:

      mDNA based early theory fred,

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk65TbJRN_A

      57 mins in

    90. Robert Peffers says:

      @birnie says: 13 January, 2018 at 3:42 pm:

      “Re ‘Uncle Tams’ – perhaps this term can be regarded pettily offensive, but it would be helpful to have a shorthand descriptor for their counterparts in 2018 Scotland.”

      We already have such a descriptor, birnie – “Yoon”, or, more politely, “Unionist”.

    91. Vestas says:

      There was a fairly decent film biopic of Ray Charles about 10 years or so ago. Film was simply called “Ray” and while I know many people disagreed with the casting its very watchable.

      Historical accuracy “wavers” a bit but isn’t that the way with all Hollywood films?

    92. Meindevon says:

      Was having coffee with some friends this morning, down here in DDD, and showed one, a lovely Irish lady, the M&S story re the previous thread. She was pretty stunned by the letter as you would expect.

      Another lady, a lovely English lady (her work involves bringing foreign students to Exeter to her English language school and she was against Brexit) completely ignoring the point of the article said that when she lived in Scotland in barracks (guess she was in the army) she could never understand the football thing (Scotland England) and said she knew of people slashing opposition supporters’ tyres. She said that she didn’t understand it because the English love everyone. Well myself and the Irish lady nearly fell off our chairs laughing. I said what about the Welsh, the French, the Germans and even the southern English dislike of the northern English. The Irish lady mentioned their dislike of the Irish too.

      Anyway, I think it gave her something to think about.

      @Tam the Bam from a couple of threads ago…I do love Devon (lived in the SE for a while and it was not nice) but the longer I live down here (longer than I lived in Paisley, sadly) the more homesick I get. And, no offence, but I still feel 100pc Scottish and a Buddie after thirty odd years down south. I keep I touch with Paisley Facebook pages and regular visits to the elderly relatives by the Flybe flights Clootie mentioned. One day I’ll manage to organise a visit that coincides with a Wings get together or a Yes rally and one day I will return to an independent, normal, self governing Scotland.

    93. Scottish Steve says:

      Well when indyref2 rolls around, we’ll find out for certain: is Scotland a nation of House Scots or Field Scots? For all our sakes, I hope it’s the latter.

    94. Bobp says:

      Sounds like a good frontage for a t.shirt.
      “I’m a field Scot’
      ‘Are you still in
      The hoose ?

    95. Muscleguy says:

      A brilliant piece Rev and as you say a brilliant piece of writing from Malcolm X. Perhaps it was good that he had a Scottish name.

    96. K1 says:

      We’re clealry a nation of field Scots but we’re run by oor maisters and their hoose Scots 😉

    97. Giving Goose says:

      Robert Peffers

      I believe the use of the word “Celtic” is misused. When applied to describe a language, then in a scholarly context it makes sense but to extend it to describe ethnic origin it is wrong IMHO. Other terms and descriptions are more appropriate.

    98. Bobp says:

      Or how’s about ‘Are you still
      In the hoose?.
      Could be our indy2 slogan?

    99. Bobp says:

      Meindevon 4.22pm. Living here in Dorset, i empathise with you.

    100. Proud Cybernat says:

      I think there is an element of this ‘mentality’ of ‘House Scot’ or ‘Field Scot’ among ordinary folks.

      As the the political class and the Fourth Estate – it is nothing more than preserving the status quo because it has been good for most of them. The Jimmy Hoods of the world as an example.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2zI2cMuoQQ

      If Scotland and its people were better off being an independent country then he would vote against that happening. Why? Because independence would have impacted on his snout at the trough. It would have been bad for him personally and that was all he cared about. Same goes for members of our illustrious Fourth Estate and all those ‘Scots on the Make’ like Ruth ‘Naw to another Referendum’ Davidson.

      For those types, the UK is good. The UK lines their pockets. And they will do everything they can to ensure that continues.

      So there are 3 types:

      House Negro
      Field Negro
      Selfish bastard Negro.

    101. G says:

      Check out the album Rebirth of a Nation by Public Enemy and Paris.

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZCdVkw5SVo

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TH8XfE6FH9g

    102. Meindevon says:

      @Boph…well hi there! Perhaps we could have a ‘Wings South West’ region night out? I know of one other that might join us. Some guy in Bath? ?

    103. frogesque says:

      @ScottishSteve,4.28

      I hope we will be a Nation of free Scots!

    104. Ronnie says:

      One of your best Stu, does apply to many subjects but very appropriate re indy debate. Will annoy many due to it being the truth – fabulous!

    105. Thomas valentine says:

      For something to be true it has to be true universally. One abusive exploitative situation is like another. Black Americans and White American establishment. Rich wealthy English and working class English. In that case English working class voting Tory and saying how well “we are doing” as the wealthy get richer.

      I remember when Margret Curran met with a constituent unemployed single mother of three and Curran thought it appropriate to wear designer shoes and glasses worth more than the mother got in six months benefits.

    106. Bobp says:

      Meindevon, well there’s me and my bro in b’mouth lol. I normally get back home (Ayrshire) 4 times a year to see my old mum.and coincide it with the indy marches in Glasgow.

    107. heraldnomore says:

      That’ll be the same Des Clarke whi MCd Nicola’s wee gig at the Hydro…

    108. brewsed says:

      The article does help explain the attitude of the house Scots whose masters are feert of change, that anxiety being expressed as anger. The masters fear the loss of what they hold dear – revolving doors between politics, the media and public and financial institutes; no more noses in the trough, no more gravy train. No wonder they take every opportunity to traduce the Scottish government, gurning to the meeja while trying to reduce the political process to a pantomime.

      But, it is not working. Despite the unrelenting negativity coming from the meeja’s dead-tree-scrolls and pathetic-quay, just under 50% of Scotland’s voting population continue to support Scottish independence (within the EU). The field Scots have access to the Internet. More Scots read WoS than listen to good miserable Scotland.

    109. Andy-B says:

      Latest, Unison calling for the Scottish government to step in and save Bield homes, and over 200 jobs, due to close in Scotland.

    110. Ian Brotherhood says:

      From the ending of Orwell’s Marrakech (1939) –

      ‘…This wretched boy, who is a French citizen and has therefore been dragged from the forest to scrub floors and catch syphilis in garrison towns, actually has feelings of reverence before a white skin. He has been taught that the white race are his masters, and he still believes it.

      But there is one thought which every white man (and in this connection it doesn’t matter twopence if he calls himself a Socialist) thinks when he sees a black army marching past. “How much longer can we go on kidding these people? How long before they turn their guns in the other direction?”

      It was curious, really. Every white man there has this thought stowed somewhere or other in his mind. I had it, so had the other onlookers, so had the officers on their sweating chargers and the white NCOs marching in the ranks. It was a kind of secret which we all knew and were too clever to tell; only the Negroes didn’t know it.’

      http://orwell.ru/library/articles/marrakech/english/e_mar

    111. dakk says:

      Great article Stuart.

      The House Negro analogy is however flattering in extreme to ‘Scottish’ Unionists.

      The poor Africans were abducted and taken to white man country with no other means of support.It was just survival in a hostile land for many House Negroes.

      What the treacherous Yoon does to his own people, in his own country in order to ingratiate him/ her self with his masters is just disgusting and unforgiveable.

      I can understand and to an extent sympathise with the stance of the House Negro due to the weakness of their position.

      Uncle Jocks however are among the most untrustworthy and treacherous creatures who walk the planet.

    112. Sinky says:

      One in the teeth for Yoons as BBC news points out that English Dental health, particularly for kids, is a second class service when compared to Scotland.

    113. Ian Brotherhood says:

      This, by Jason Michael, also seems apt:

      ‘Britain brings us in to the office for a chat, we sit quietly in the low chair, promises are made, we’re sent away, and the promises are broken, and every time – going by what we read in our movement’s press – this comes as a surprise to us.

      That the British government does this should not come as a surprise. Britain behaved exactly the same way towards Ireland and Irish republicans in Northern Ireland until the United States intervened to help bring about peace. We now know the British government was even conspiring to assassinate the Irish Taoiseach so as to facilitate another series of broken promises in Ireland. London has followed this exact same strategy in India and in almost every imperial and colonial possession it has been forced to relinquish. This is how Britain behaves.’

      https://randompublicjournal.com/2018/01/11/weve-had-enough-of-broken-british-promises/

    114. galamcennalath says:

      Always a bit of puzzle with cringe ridden proud-Scots-but types. What is it exactly that they are actually proud of? Which little bit of their Scottishness is ‘acceptable’ in their wannabe English mindset?

      Their sense of pride is just totally false. They have no real pride.

      Jockholm Syndrome is a perfect description.

    115. wull2 says:

      Do I have a library card, no.
      Do I have a broadband connection, YES.
      Do I rely on posters on this site to advise me what to read, YES.

      Thanks everyone.

    116. Ian McCubbin says:

      A great analogy and well illustrated to our cause.
      My observation is we the activists and ordinary folk are the file negros and some of the hose negros are politicians of independence supporting parties. This is in view why we are no nearer the goal of an Independent Scotland.
      How wonderful if in 2019 just as Brexit is declared the Scottish Government also declared Independence unilaterally as the exit from Europe wasn’t inches best interests of Scotland’s people.
      What a risk and what history Luther making,with Malcolm X, Robbie Burns and Nelson Mandela smiling.

    117. brewsed says:

      On Slavery
      In the 17th century the City fathers of Edinburgh were exporting beggars and vagabonds to Virginia because they were “not fit to stay in the kingdom”. They were seen as a commodity, bought and sold like tobacco or firewood.

      In the 18th century, in Aberdeenshire, there was the practice of kidnapping, or stealing children from their parents, and selling them for slaves to the planters of Maryland, Virginia, &c. In North America. One of these children, Peter Williamson, or Indian Peter, survived to return to Scotland and successfully sue the Aberdonians responsible. You will find his tale on the Internet.

    118. Meindevon says:

      @dakk Whilst it is hard not to call people yoons, treacherous, and Uncle Jocks, I’m not sure it is helpful in converting people to the independence ways.

      I listened to Nigel Farage the other day talking about ‘bringing the country together’ after Brexit and then in the next breath calling his opponents Remoaners and whingers and whiners. How, I thought does that help bringing folks together?

      Just a thought.

    119. Craig P says:

      PhilM @ 12.32
      Agree that large landowners are a brake on progress. If the Scottish Government was serious about land reform, they could pass a law requiring landowners to live in Scotland. This would be illegal under EU law but as we are leaving the EU anyway… 😉

    120. yesindyref2 says:

      I did watch the movie (or one of them) more than once, and very impressive it was. I don’t normally like this sort of comparison, it’s almost an insult to our own people, whose hearts and minds we want to win.

      The problem is though that the reverse of this really does still exist, and I’ve been the victim or attempted victim of two or three of these recently, on the forums.

      It’s the “master” syndrome. As long as we conform, do what we’re suppsoed to, say what we’re supposed to, then we are accepted. We’re OK even if we are Jocks. But try to claim we too can be masters in our own right, even if just of our destiny and resources then it’s a case of “Oh no you can’t, you’re not capable”. Or even the equivalent of “shut up and eat your porridge”.

      This is something we see all the time with the SNP MPs, and it made no difference whether there were 6 or 56. Say something they shouldn’t and they were – and the 35 – are – treated with hoots of derision and “woof woof”, with not even a cheep or bleat from the speaker.

      The Conservative, Labour and LibDems are treated with more respect in that supposed seat of government of the “United” Kingdom, but woe betide them – the house slaves – of they speak out of line. Suggest a better way of polishing the brass bedknobs, and they are welcome, and even given VAT relief to keep the field slaves happy. They do this through the house slave master who is allowed to consult on how to keep the rest in order.

      But if they were to suggest anything that doesn’t fit the plans of the resident EVEL. then they would be doomed to the same treatment as the obnoxious, pathetic and franky revolting Nats.

      Most ordinary people down ther are normal punters like us. But there are wannabe Masters amongst them, and I’ve come aross a few in my time.

    121. Legerwood says:

      Andy-B says:
      13 January, 2018 at 5:26 pm
      “”Latest, Unison calling for the Scottish government to step in and save Bield homes, and over 200 jobs, due to close in Scotland.””

      Story in today’s Telegraph that 1000 care homes have closed in England. They cared for 30,000 elderly residents. More delayed discharges.

      Be aware that on Tuesday 16th January ISD is due to release its latest report on delayed discharges in Scotland.

      Taken together with the story about Bield and the situation down south be prepared for an onslaught of stories about ‘bed blocking’ in Scotland on Tuesday with front page headlines on Wednesday. The weekly A&E figures will be released on Tuesday as well and I think a report on Dentists.

      As far as delayed discharges in Scotland are concerned the new integrated health and social care system went live in April 2016. Figures from ISD showed that in 2016/17 there was a 3% decrease in delayed discharges compared to 2015/16.

      From October 2016 through into 2017 there has been a steady but gradual decrease in the beds blocked because of delayed discharges.

      There was a slight increase in October 2017 but the figure was still 11% BELOW the October 2016 figure.

      The figures are released monthly so not sure if the release on Tuesday next week will be for November or December but it is may show an increase in delayed discharges which might not be unexpected in winter time.

    122. Breeks says:

      I find myself wondering about the difference. I wonder how much of the “house” negro came from within the person themselves, or whether it was frightened, beaten, intimidated into them by their white slave master. And by the same token, what factors determined a person would be a field negro? Was it possible to transform a house negro into a field negro, and vice versa, and what would it take to achieve it?

      It’s easy to condemn some character weakness in the house negro, but what if the deciding factor of being in the house simply meant fewer physical beatings, punishment in chains, or an escape from absolute squalor? Aren’t we guilty of condemning the wrong people here? Its the slavemaster and his odious practices who surely deserves the condemnation, – not the narrow window of chance some slaves had to marginally improve their desperate circumstances.

      In specific terms as they relate to Scotland, what is it that creates a “house” Scot rather than a field Scot? Because the implication is that Independence for Scotland won at the ballot means having fewer “house” Scots, and more “field” Scots, and if that’s right, then how do we bring it about?

      How do you become a “house” Scot? Is it the wealth and privilege you are born to? Maybe. But only for the AstroTurf minority I suspect. Is there an element of established convention and fear of change? Maybe.

      Is it a lifetime of disinformation and thought manipulation? Ah. Now then! I would say yes, yes, definitely. – Furthermore it is deliberate, well understood and orchestrated manipulation.

      Conspiracy theory! The propagandists will cry to discredit and divert criticism. But do you remember Tony Benn’s “Sicko” interview with Michael Moore? – Keep people poor, keep them hopeless and disillusioned…he says as a “right honourable” Parliamentarian!!! So clearly, undeniably, – manipulating the actual way people think is seen by some as an established doctrine and legitimate mechanism of UK government.

      If we want to win, we need to think, think harder, and make sure that when it comes to winning hearts and minds of the people here in Scotland that we are smarter than they are. So far however, I would say that issue is very close to call… We’re not losing I feel sure, but I’m not entirely convinced we are winning either.

    123. Fred says:

      @ Robert & the Cat, the professor did find an interesting gloss on these findings in that the folk who settled east of the British Isles derived from Doggerland & NW Europe while the peeps of the Atlantic seaboard have genes more in common with those in Iberia. Of course there has been much interbreeding since & we’re all pretty much mongerels noo!

    124. Valerie says:

      Dont fall for any yoon or union guff about Bield that might get slung around.

      They are a Registered Landlord and charity, overseen by a management board, with yearly audited accounts. This stuff started back in Oct 2017. They have made a business decision to withdraw managing some care homes due to it being unsustainable.

      Landlords and charities like this are overseen by inspectorates too.

      There is action being taken at local level to see if other providers can take over. They will do everything to minimise disruption to residents.

      If jobs are being lost, its down to Bield to fulfil any contractual obligation or redeploy.

      Im sick to death of the FM being invoked in things that she has no say or involvement in. The unions have recourse to support any staff through the usual lawful channels.

    125. Stewart says:

      It’s tempting to draw comparisons where we see them, but this is in poor taste. Let’s never forget the role Scotland played in slavery and how so many of our people left Scotland to colonise other countries–yes, many were sent against their will, but irrelevant when you consider that when they arrived they were at best complicit in the violence and colonialist spirit and at worse actively took part to pursue their own fortunes. Look to the plantations in the US, named after the Scottish towns and landmarks that the slaveowners missed from home. Look at the KKK, whose founders claimed Scottish ancestry (not that we want them). Look at the wealth that flowed into our ports from ravaged countries and boosted our big cities. There’s a reason Glasgow has a Jamaica Street.

      Our situation is frustrating and there’s absolutely something to be said about the fear and internalised insecurities that have been fed to us, but comparisons like this erase our complicated and shameful history with the atrocities that we had a part in. As much as I would like to pretend that we were unwitting and unwilling passengers on England’s destructive romp through the world, that’s not what happened. It’s our duty to acknowledge that and be mindful of our role, so that we can make amends and progress as a nation. I understand that this is a sensitive topic and many find it upsetting or uncomfortable to talk about, but comparing current day Scots to the people many of our ancestors enslaved… Well, that’s just a bit tone deaf, don’t you think?

    126. dakk says:

      @ galamacennalath said ‘What is it exactly that they are actually proud of?’

      Probably just that Scotland serves ‘Britain’, in the same way a subject is proud to serve a monarch.

      Cringing servitude is one the main traits I observe in Unionists.

      @ Meindevon

      What you say is probably true,though the odd barb might aid some with a bit of self awareness.

      Having taken your advice I used ‘Unionist’in the above comment and I feel better for it.

    127. Capella says:

      @ Breeks – what is it that creates a “house” Scot rather than a field Scot ?

      Awareness.

      In the 60s and 70s women formed consciousness raising groups. One book which was widely read and discussed was “Rubyfruit Jungle” by Rita May Brown. She identified women who slavishly internalised MCP values as Uncle Tomming it.

      You don’t have to be a feminist or a lesbian to read it.

      The strange letter written by French women distancing themselves from the “me too” movement might be an example of this phenomenon

      But there is plenty of literature Scottish people can be reading and discussing to raise awareness of our true situation. This blog, for example.

    128. Calum McKay says:

      So the brexit bill has not been amended because Damian Green was undertaking some under hand action under his desk?

      Sums up the tories perfectly, they fiddle with themselves whilst all around them is burning!

    129. TheWasp says:

      The outstanding portrayal of the house negro is by Samuel L Jackson in the film Django Unchained. He hates his own people because they are “beneath” him and thinks he runs the plantation not the master. Sounds familiar doesn’t it.

    130. David S. Briggs says:

      One of your best.

    131. JGedd says:

      (As someone who is usually out of the loop as regards the interwebby thing, excuse me for feeling a wee bit smug that I actually have known about this speech for many years – before Stuart Campbell. Imagine that. It’s a first for me. But then I’m a good bit older and actually remember Malcom X.)

      It has been discussed on several indy sites before, over the years and the analogy remarked on. As regards Hollywood’s take on the tragedy of slavery, the emphasis on films which came in the thirties and forties was to sentimentalise and sanitise the Civil War, with barely-concealed sneaking sympathy for the Confederate cause. The Confederates were portrayed as noble underdogs, somehow managing to sideline the cause of anti-slavery and concentrate instead on the consitutional divide in the warring states.

      Quentin Tarantino must have been aware of Malcolm X’s speech. In his film, Django Unchained, the black hero is violently opposed by the master’s virtual major domo, the black house slave {played by Samuel L. Jackson) who is so fiercely invested in his master’s cause that he dies with him in in the final conflagration which destroys the plantation mansion.

    132. mike cassidy says:

      Breeks 3.55

      Dorothy Counts – alive and well and still fighting the good fight.

      And here it is 60 years later, and I’m not so sure that we weren’t better off 60 years ago in the segregated schools that we had — even though we were lacking the resources and those kinds of things — than some of the kids are today, because they’re going through so much other kinds of things. But it upsets me because I never thought that 60 years later that we would be back to where we’re still fighting for that which we were trying to fight for then.

      http://archive.is/0VhwC

    133. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Breeks at 3:55 pm.

      You typed,
      “We were definitely getting there in 2014. That wee lass standing with the saltire beside the two neds with Union Jacks was an awesome picture… We need a lot more of that.”

      That was just before the 2015 GE, waiting for Nicola to appear – in Greenock, I recall. Her Mum has posted on WOS. The young lady’s name is Ciara. Met her and her Mum at a BBC bias demo at Plantation Quay (organised by Ronnie and others) some time later. If you go to the iScot Magazine web site, you can download a frre copy of the 2016 compilation issue, which features Ciara on the cover.

      A bunch of Wingers in the YES Bar, after the George Square rally on Saturday, 17th September, 2016, were introduced to Sarah Johnston (on the right in the final link below) by Ronnie Anderson, who had ‘captured’ her to bring to our table. She was with a (rather pissed) family friend, David.

      https://i.imgur.com/Tn38gM6.jpg

      In the blethers we had round the table, she revealed that she was not aware of the iconic element of her and her sister’s action that night. She was a wee bit embarrassed when we pointed it out.

      Onnyhoo, we left her with a load of WOS goodies and an invite to visit the WOS stall at Glasgow Green the following day. She did. Here’s a pic of her with long term lurker and WOS stall staff member, Dundee Annie”.

      https://i.imgur.com/dDqOd7f.jpg

      A few weeks later, at a Hollyrood rally, I spotted David wandering past the stalls with a couple of females. I approached him; he remembered me from the YES Bar and introduced me to Sarah’s sister, Sophie, who is on the left in the video below. On 19/09/2014, Sarah was 19; Sophie was 17.

      She just didn’t get it, either, how iconic their standing up to the yoons was. As you type, “We need a lot more of that”.

      /www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9wPS78Xh6E

    134. ian murray says:

      Hi Brewsed
      The Indian Peter/ Peter Williamson story has actually received a fair bit of publicity and a book in 2004.
      Maybe not as much publicity as it should have because at that time the Aberdeen Council was of course Labour run and they tried to sweep it under the floor boards

    135. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Sorry – screwed up that last link.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9wPS78Xh6E

    136. heedtracker says:

      We have to withdraw like the Irish and act as an independent country. No more Uncle Toms.”

      The Irish were not refused devo, they just got bullshitted about it all, The Vow style. So they ended up taking it all. Joseph Chamberlain, the great Liberal reformer, flat out refused any Holyrood for Ireland.

      It is different today, Westminster then was administering a global empire and they did not have an Irish Jakey Bird or a Blair MacDoublewhopper, to keep the Irish in their place.

      http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/lifestyle/nostalgia/politician-knew-how-put-spin-7369811

      “The Irish Home Rule Bill was Gladstone’s big idea. Chamberlain was not opposed to some form of devolution – he proposed national councils for England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland in his Radical Programme – but he rejected out-of-hand the idea of an Irish Parliament. It would lead, he argued, to the dissolution of the union and of the Empire.

      When the first Home Rule Bill was published in March 1886, Joe resigned from the Government. Now Gladstone had to deal with a party within a party, a group of MPs, led by Chamberlain, called Liberal Unionists.

      From this point onwards the radical MP from Birmingham drifted towards the right. When Chamberlain returned to the Cabinet 10 years later in 1895 it was as Colonial Secretary in a Conservative and Unionist administration.”

      Scotland is their very last big colony.

    137. schrodingers cat says:

      @Fred
      the profs Oppenheimer and moffat produced an excellent book but it is one of the earliest attempts to interpret our historical genetic fingerprint.

      since then. a great deal more work has been done and in 2015 multiple studies found that the late neolithic peoples of britain and ireland had been replaced about 2500 bce.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub5izFOdtDs

      this discovery is re writing our history

    138. mike cassidy says:

      Cuilean 1.54

      “Gone With The Wind” still causes division in the USA.

      http://archive.is/SEWiv

    139. Street Andrew says:

      It will be very interesting to see what sort of proposals the Marvellous Gove can come up with to mollify the farmers and fishers in response to the removal of the UK from the CAP.

      Given that the Westminster Tories primary concern is to look after large (donor?) landowners, irrespective of their utility in actual crop production farmers even in south Britain might feel their interests are not being well catered for.

      Extracts I heard from the MG implied to the casual listener that he sees the principal function of the Agricultural industry to be to look after the countryside and make it nice for walks and as a picturesque landscape to be viewed from the weekend cottage.

      I think he might have to do better than that.

      As for the fishing industry as long as the Salmon rivers are kept pollution-free (no plastic bags in the waterways) what’s to worry about?

    140. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Ronnie Anderson –

      I can never guess what you’ve got up your sleeve but I bet you’ve never thought of getting one of these big birds to fly into Reporting Scotland and carry off Jackie The Burd.

      You can just imagine it flapping off up the Clyde with her in its beak, her wee orange arms and legs all jerky, like one of the wee models in a Sinbad film…

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Yb_VA4L3YU

    141. yesindyref2 says:

      JGedd
      Yes, Django Unchained. There’s been some great movies that manage in almost an underhanded way to review and revise history from the versions set by the victors, it’s an easy way to get the history and then maybe enjoy the appropriate documentary later on. I’d say Braveheart was similar, it aroused interest in our history that a lot of people had never heard of or cared about.

    142. Moffat was/is director of Britain`s DNA a commercial company selling the chance to find out if you are descended from Napoleon or Ghengis Khan or a Viking or a Saxon,

      his work has been heavily criticised by scientists in the field for being simplistic in the extreme and sensationalist in its conclusions,

      like the ` DNA forced fit` facts that were used to `confirm` a random skeleton was Richard III,

      DNA profiling is massively complex and complicated and very much misunderstood by the likes of Moffat and the Criminal Justice System.

    143. Croompenstein says:

      Best film I have seen on subject is 12 years a slave..

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_Years_a_Slave_(film)

    144. Looks like one of the leading `House Scots` ex Weir Group Keith `I`M VOTING NO` Cochrane Commander of the Order of the British Empire for his services to the glory of the English establishment,

      has managed to bring British building and services giant (42,000 employees) Carillion,(HS2) close to administration ,maybe, by Monday unless UK Gov backs a rescue plan,

      the curse on the bitter together mob strikes again

    145. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Just one more example of the age-old “divide and rule”, actually. Convince a sub-group of your opponents/victims that by collaborating to some degree, though things might be bad, they can still console themselves with the conforting thought that they are not the worst. Hence also kapos in KZ-camps, poor Southern US whites, etc., etc.

      Sometimes it’s downright cruel, sometimes it’s jobs-for-the-placemen, and sometimes it’s even ermine-clad:

      https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voting-patterns-in-the-house-of-lords-rubbish-claims-of-its-independence

      It is anticipated that Theresa May will appoint up to a dozen Tory peers this month – which could be joined by a handful of Labour members and some from the DUP.

      It is likely she will be motivated by a desire to bolster the chamber’s Conservative ranks. Currently there are 248 Tory members from a total of 794 – meaning they are heavily outnumbered. This has resulted in recent defeats for her government, including when peers voted to give parliament a veto on the final outcome of Brexit negotiations.

      Her big concern now will be ensuring she is able to get the EU withdrawal Bill through the House of Lords in the coming months.

      […]

      Among the recommendations of the recent Burns report – which appeared to have cross-party support – was that political appointments would be shared between the parties in line with the result of the previous general election.

      If later this month the number of Conservative appointments does dramatically outweigh those from Labour, this would mark none other than a total rejection of the recommendations – and even minimal reform.

      To put it bluntly, arguments about the House of Lords’ supposed independence are rendered virtually meaningless when prime ministers can override any semblance of it through cronyism. This month’s rumoured appointments appear to prove that.

      Needs must, Brexit legislation must be got through the HoL somehow and there aren’t currently enough Baron Dogby Jobses and Lady Moans to expedite the business.

    146. punklin says:

      Sorry but I don’t buy the Uncle Tom analogy with Scotland and its people now. Not even sure it works with situation of Afro Americans today.

      It’s divisive and unhelpful and fails to capture the nuances of why many good people still need to be convinced.

      Attractive on the surface but I worry that this approach lets us off the hook of the really tricky tasks we still have to understand and persuade enough of our fellow citizens. We’re not there yet, folks however passionate we feel.

    147. Ian Sanderson says:

      Brilliant…

      Thank you.

    148. CameronB Brodie says:

      Without effective political agency at the UKOK level, Scots are effectively slaves of the British/English state.

      Nationalism, Patriotism, and Group Loyalty:
      A Social Psychological Perspective

      The purpose of this essay is to introduce the reader to a social psychological perspective on the roots of nationalism. At its heart is the description of how individuals develop feelings about and attachments to groups-how they build loyalty to groups. The review explores how such loyalty can lead to hostile reactions to other groups, can become translated into stereotypes that are shared by individuals, can shape the collective behavior of groups, and can help differentiate the multiple groups that define any political environment.

      http://bev.berkeley.edu/Ethnic%20Religious%20Conflict/Ethnic%20and%20Religious%20Conflict/2%20National%20Identity/Druckman%20nationalism.pdf

    149. Grouse Beater says:

      Malcom X brings back youthful memories of idealism just in reach. September 2014 rekindles memories of idealism lost.

      Your essential weekend reading:

      A bunny boiler of abuse: https://wp.me/p4fd9j-mg8
      A love of life film: https://wp.me/p4fd9j-mbP

    150. Thepnr says:

      There are those yet to be convinced principally because they have been starved of information or giving false information such as we saw in both 2014 and the EU Ref in 2016.

      Nobody is having a go at these ordinary voters that we still want to attract to the cause of Independence.

      The way I see it is your former so called socialists such as Lord Alastair Darling or his old boss Gordon Brown. What about former socialist firebrand Prof Tomkins?

      There are many many other “notables” who have sold out for the comfort of their masters house. Billy Connolly springs to mind, once a man of the people and now a friend of the royals, he laps up their company as he thinks they’re laughing at his jokes when in reality they’re laughing at him.

      There are numerous Uncle Toms that do the establishments bidding at the expense of the majority of ordinary Scots. Who’d be a Blair McDougall for example and just why is Johann Lamont happy to attend an SiU Burns night and give a talk alongside Tomkins?

      I just can’t get my head around such bending of the knee.

    151. heedtracker says:

      punklin says:
      13 January, 2018 at 10:13 pm
      Sorry but I don’t buy the Uncle Tom analogy with Scotland and its people now. Not even sure it works with situation of Afro Americans today.

      You don’t have to buy it.

      “If someone came to the house Negro and said, “Let’s go, let’s separate,” naturally that Uncle Tom would say, “Go where? What could I do without boss? Where would I live? How would I dress? Who would look out for me?”

      This is the core of Project Fear 2014. History now but it is easy to forget or pretend to forget, the full BBC Scotland led Project Fear vote NO Scots fury, that reached its full visceral hysterical rage 18th Sept 2014.

      What a difference a day makes in teamGB,

      https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/15/david-cameron-emotional-plea-scotland-independence

      https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/19/david-cameron-devolution-revolution-uk-scotland-vote

      And their queen purred. Its also why we are really up against it, shaking off our masters, who fear us far more than we fear them.

    152. Rock says:

      The most stupid people on earth are in Scotland.

      That does not mean all people in Scotland are stupid.

      It just means that if you were looking for the most stupid people on earth, Scotland would beat any other nation on earth.

    153. Effijy says:

      Nail right on the head!
      In tribute, I shall put Malcolm’s second
      Name right next to SNP on very ballot paper!

      Wonderful Post.

    154. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Thepnr –

      Glad you mentioned the SIU Burns Supper.

      I’ve just written to the venerable Ronnie Anderson of this parish, enquiring as to his general availability on February 2nd, when the aforementioned Tories (red & blue) will be gathering at the 29 Club, Royal Exchange Square, Glasgow, to mark their appreciation of The Bard and his works.

      I’d like to be there to greet Murdo Fraser, Johann Lamont, and the SIU worthies as they enter the premises. All very ‘civil’ of course! For all I know there’s already something organised, but if so I haven’t seen any details. We have to get these things sorted ourselves, really, so…

      Just wondering if any other Wingers might be up for it? As per usual, we could go for a jar elsewhere in the town afterwards, unless, of course, the SIU invite us in to join them!

      Wouldn’t that be cool – having a wee dram and a blether with Murdo The Fraser, on Burns Night?!

      #anyoldexcuse

      🙂

    155. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Why has boring cunt ‘Rock’ been allowed to get away with this for soooooo long?

      Why?

      Seriously.

      Aye, okay, mibbe the regulars just scroll on, but what about newbies reading that bile at 10.45?

      🙁 🙁 🙁

    156. ian murray says:

      I noticed that Tory fundraiser was selling tickets for assorted bottles of plonk personally signed by various “luminaries”
      Maybe churlish, but my first thought was the Tories walked down to the Westminster bar and lifted what they need at a cost to the taxpayers.
      I am probably unfairly stereotyping them, after all who would do a thing like that !

    157. John from Fife says:

      O/T. Given the problem with the BBC and other media, shouldn’t the Scot Government push for media control in Scotland. I know it would be refused but it would bring the debate into the public domain where it should be.

    158. Thepnr says:

      @Ian Brotherhood

      I might be able to make it along that night but only if you have that banner with the pig on it that you used to greet Jim Murphy at the Central Hotel 🙂

      Can you post a youtube link to that video from 2014?

      We could have our own haggis, tatties and neeps in the Yes bar afterwords along with something to wash it down with lol.

    159. Rock says:

      Ian Brotherhood,

      “Why has boring cunt ‘Rock’ been allowed to get away with this for soooooo long?

      Why?

      Seriously.”

      Someone back in through the back door has zero credibility:

      Ian Brotherhood,
      11 February, 2017 at 12:59 am

      “Rock and his supporters are – successfully – choking the life out of creative, informative discourse on this site.

      No more appealing to Rev, or anyone else – I’m out.”

    160. colin alexander says:

      Rock said: “The most stupid people on earth are in Scotland”

      He could be right. Kezia Dugdale allowed to skive and all parties allow her to retake her job and not only that, she gets promoted to the ruling body.

      It’s a bloody affront to Scottish democracy. The other MSPs should have refused to work with her, if they had standards and gave a damn about accountability to the taxpayer, but of course, one law for politicians of all parties and another rule for all the rest of us plebs.

    161. Famous15 says:

      Re ROCK.
      That’s it.I am putting your name down for an Anger Management Course.

      Do not confuse stupidity with brain washing.

    162. Larkin trade unionist c.1920 ‘the great appear great, only because you are your knees’. The ‘colonial cringe’ exists far beyond Scotland, and will probably continue to exist in Scotland for a generation or two after independence.

      The term ‘the Home Counties’ tells you all you need to know about the centre of power in Britain.

    163. heedtracker says:

      He could be right. Kezia Dugdale allowed to skive and all parties allow her to retake her job and not only that, she gets promoted to the ruling body.”

      She’s just another lightweight Colon A. Graun says she’s only going to clear £40k which is a lot to save up but its not much for ending your political career. She’s giving charity £5k which is a lot of money too.

      It could be that she’s got the nod from Corbyn, hang in there Kez and we’ll get you a Lords slot. Same Corbyn what campaigned for Lords abolition also.

      Yoon culture in teamGB is not in the least fussy, just be loyal. Great thing about the Lords, you don’t need to be in government to get your crew in there.

    164. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Thepnr –

      That pig banner you mention…

      I know who rolled it up and took it away that night, but where it is now? I know not.

      You’re a man who knows one end of a betting coupon from t’other – do you reckon this SIU Burns Supper will go ahead?

    165. Thepnr says:

      Wings has it’s very own Uncle Toms too of course. Not hard to spot.

    166. colin alexander says:

      Heedtracker

      Let’s see if the SNP stick with the threat to refuse a LCM or back down YET AGAIN and bend the knee to the House of Lords when they legislate for the devolution power grab by WM.

      I’ve been willing to debate with you recently but, will start ignoring you again if you don’t stop the childish name calling.

    167. Thepnr says:

      @Ian Brotherhood

      Has to go ahead I’d think or they might as well give up now. How many will turn up and will it be classed as a success? Doubt it.

    168. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Thepnr –

      The ‘pig’ banner:

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-M0ZKiIUAAQVA5.jpg

    169. geeo says:

      Rock has a point actually.

      Some of the most stupid people on earth ARE Scottish Unionists after all…!

      Nice of him to admit it to himself huh
      ………

      On other matters…

      BBC reporting its own mistakes !

      https://www.facebook.com/BBCLondonCalling/posts/1576518925772706

    170. Thepnr says:

      @Ian Brotherhood

      For the occasion we could get a new one made, SiU YER TEA’S OOT!

    171. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Rock –

      Why don’t you invite Colin A into your pod, then launch yersels intae a moonage daydream?

    172. Nicola is on BBC`s own House Scot (one of many), The Andrew Marr Show at 9.00 Sunday,

      not a fan of our lot going anywhere near the MSM especially BBC,

      but as Nicola says,

      Conversation not Confrontation,

      think she is more Martin Luther King jr than Malcolm X,

      don`t know where we would be without her.

    173. Bob Mack says:

      If your not sure that this still applies in America today, then ask yourself why black people only make up 13% of the American population,but account for 24% of all people shot by police forces.
      I. E. They are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by law enforcement. Several were unarmed.

    174. geeo says:

      On the subject of American History..

      Today, Trump has a trademark catchphrase..MAGA (Making America Great Again).

      Now, for me, this begged a very pertinent and reasonable question.

      If Trump is going to ‘MAGA’ then WHEN was America PREVIOUSLY “great ?

      I have asked this question DOZENS of times on social media, and, despite almost every post by Trump supporters referencing MAGA, i have never had the question answered once, not a single time !!

      Perhaps they do not know ?

      Perhaps they DO know ?

      The answer of course is, America was NEVER previously great. How could it be ?

      Engaged in war constantly over recent decades (since the 60’s) is not being great.

      Pre 1960’s, America subjected the black community to horrendous treatment and denied them basic human rights, so up until that point, America had NEVER been great.

      Perhaps a better slogan would be that Trump is Making America Decent ?

    175. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Thepnr –

      I hear ye brother.

      I’ll be there on Feb 2nd, No. 29 Royal Exchange Square, Glasgow.

      Just standing there!

      Embdy else fancy meeting there before we go for a swally!?

    176. heedtracker says:

      The answer of course is, America was NEVER previously great. How could it be ?

      Engaged in war constantly over recent decades (since the 60’s) is not being great.”

      Er, hello! teamGB here, we’ve done our war is peace bit too. Entry in to adult life for this vile sep was the full on teamGB jingos all gungho to stick it up your Argie Bargie junta.

      At the very least, the English are not silly enough to store their nuke WMD’s in England.

      Whatever you say about the English, they do seem to love a good war, but they are smart enough to not have one of their thermal nuclear bombs go off in dock and storage anywhere the bits of teamGB that really matter. That would never do.

      Accounts of the Falklands war are worth reading. They’re pretty frank, fast jet jocks machine gunning lines of Argentine tents at dawn are a harrowing though, watching cannon shells hitting young guys, almost all would have been drafted by their fascist regime.

      All together now, “Rule Britannia rules the waves, etc…ah fcuk em.

    177. Hamish100 says:

      Royal exchange Sq — £29 FOR TEA AND CAKES!!

      The labour luvvies will luv sookin up to the tories there.

      LAAAAAAMONT is a pseudo socialist. Remember when the name was pronounced “Lamint”– before Lord Laaaaamont arrived to ruin Scotland

      Still good to see all the britnats having a wee night oot pretending to be Scotch.

    178. mike cassidy says:

      Heedtracker 12.32

      You tell America they’re not great and they are going to send special forces to track you down

      http://archive.is/9W0l8

      For example

      “For the past two years, in fact, the U.S. has maintained a Special Operations contingent in almost every nation on Russia’s western border. As Special Operations Command chief General Raymond Thomas put it last year, “[W]e’ve had persistent presence in every country — every NATO country and others on the border with Russia doing phenomenal things with our allies, helping them prepare for their threats.” “

      Sweet dreams!

    179. Molly says:

      For Burns night, the SNP should ballot all their members on who they want to be their Independence rep ( Tommy Shepherd would be good) . That way NS doesn’t have to name a date as it would be the party not the Govt but would signal their intent to the rest of us.
      The Yes movement is not the SNP but the SNP appointing someone means we could really start to get on the front foot and as it would be a party decision there’s not a thing Ruth,Richard or Wullie could say about it.

    180. geeo says:

      Okkkayyy heedtracker…but since i was referencing AMERICA and how its culture of racism and suppression of human rights for the black population meant that trump could not ACTUALLY live uo to his claim of Making America Great Again, the crimes of “team empire” are irrelevent to the point being made.

    181. Chick McGregor says:

      I’ve been aware of these words of Malcolm X for many years although I do not think I have posted on them here.

      Another related area I have posted on in the past and I think possibly here, is the parallels between Scotland’s plight and and that of the African-American in the field of entertainment.

      Of course I refer to the subservient (literally) roles, African Americans were required to play in innumerable movies but also the even more blatant demonstration of ubermensche v untermensche as depicted in the stereotypical song and dance routines they were required to perform. This usually involved tap dancing wearing spats with either a bowler hat or a top hat and tails, like this was upper class attire they admired and aspired to and all the time being required to wear a rictus grin.

      As a child, I always felt uncomfortable watching TV reruns those old movies which were so prevalent in pre the 1960s.

      However, I felt exactly the same kind of discomfort when watching British films with Harry Lauder, or Will Fyffe.

      To me it was the same kind of ubermensche watching untermensch voyeurism, even though in our case the skin colour was not an additional differentiator.

      It was still the underclass performing for the edification of their ‘massas’.

      The main difference since the 60’s is that African Americans said, loudly and clearly, NO! resulting in, an admittedly slow but definite attitude change in America whereas in Britain we still have modern day equivalents of that kind of Uncle Tom obsequiousness from Scottish stand ups, Scottish ‘comedy’ shows etc. etc.

      But, of course, I may be mistaken.

    182. Smallaxe says:

      I was speaking to Nana yesterday afternoon, although she is (supposed to be) taking a well-deserved break she later emailed a load of links to me. I did not want to break into what has been a great thread, therefore, I have waited until now to post them.

      Please accept my apologies as I have had neither the time or the energy to check and headline all of them but take your pick or scroll past with respect and Peace, Wingers.
      Nana sends her regards to all of you (except the usual suspects) and will probably be back soon, no doubt sooner than she should.

      LINKS!
      http://indyref2.scot/rescuing-scotland?

      http://www.allmediascotland.com/jobs/127565/media-jobs-three-local-democracy-reporters-newsquest-scotland-glasgow-and-greenock/

      https://www.holyrood.com/articles/news/nicola-sturgeon-confident-legality-decision-ban-fracking

      https://www.stirlingsnp.com/the-politics-of-intolerance/

    183. Ghillie says:

      I too remember Malcolm X’s speech from my childhood.

      His words were profound then and are profound now.

      I think fear lies behind the thinking of those who would rather remain enslaved, in whatever way in life, and stick with what they perceive to be safety or security, not reconising it as abuse.

      For many it takes being discarded or losing that ‘security’ and being forced to accept that the fear and kowtowing didn’t keep them safe afterall, before they can contemplate life outside that sphere of malignant controlling influence.

      For many that economic and culture shock is coming with Brexit.

    184. Smallaxe says:

      LINK!

      Scottish affairs committee this Wednesday
      On Wednesday, we are questioning @RBS on their plans to close Scottish branches. Watch live from 9.30am
      http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/ccdc00c5-127d-4c05-9eae-3026698d8c6e

      Thank you, Rev. Stu, and all Wingers for a great thread, Wings is leading the way to Freedom.

    185. CameronB Brodie says:

      If it takes lived experience to teach some folk a lesson, then we’re heading in the right direction. Right-wing populism is bad, mky. It tends towards inefficient and authoritarian governance and stuff.

      “Half the Battle”: Cultural Resonance, Framing Processes, and Ethnic Affectations in Contemporary White Separatist Rhetoric

      A recent critique of frame analysis in social movements suggested that future studies (I) be sensitive to bridging micro- and macro-levels of analysis, and (2) attend better to human agency and emotions in the framing process. This paper addresses those and other issues in an examination of the “new racist” (NR) rhetoric of contemporary white separatists (WS’s) who focus on legitimating their movement using a cultural pluralist master-frame. In the context of theories about social movements, affect, and the social construction of ethnicity, I describe how NRWS’s engage in frame-transformation and frame-alignment by (a) consciously packaging a “hate-free” racism, (b) developing strategies of equivalence and reversal–presenting whites as equivalent to ethnic and racial minorities, and [c] deploying ideas about “love,” “pride,” and “heritage-preservation” to evidence both their putative lack of animosity toward others as well as their ethnic credentials.

      I interpret these ethnic affectations as contextually bound efforts at truth construction that offer an opportunity to explore the role of affect in social movements. I conclude that the product of these claims is Kultural Pluralism: a blurring of distinctions between Cultural Pluralism and white supremacist racism, designed to emotionally appeal broadly to moderate and mainstream conservative whites.

      https://academic.oup.com/socpro/article-abstract/45/4/431/2925325

      Race, Ethnicity, and Sexuality. Intimate Intersections, Forbidden Frontiers.

      This book explores the “intimate intersections and forbidden frontiers” where race, ethnicity, gender, and sexuality converge. The author defines ethnicity in a broad way to subsume nationalism, race, religious and linguistic groups, while pointing to the historical and contextual fluidity of these terms and, therefore, to their socially constructed character. In a similar social constructionist vein, she defines sexuality as the genitally-based distinction between men and women accompanied by culturally defined appropriate sexual tastes, partners and activities. Nagel wants to understand the social, economic, political, cultural, and / or religious agendas behind difference claims made in social constructions of ethnicity, gender and sexuality. As a result, she proceeds, in eight succinct, cogently argued, and well documented chapters, to map out ethno-sexual constructions; show how hegemonic regimens of sexuality shape ethnic relations, conflicts and boundaries; and document the importance of sexuality in all things racial, ethnic and national….

      http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.459.9889&rep=rep1&type=pdf

      PHILOSOPHY – Race: Racial Ontology #1 (Introduction)
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLcg6jyg3zk

    186. Smallaxe says:

      Hi, Gillie,

      I hope all is well with you and yours, I wish you Peace Love and Prosperity in this new year.

    187. Robert Peffers says:

      @Molly says: 14 January, 2018 at 1:07 am:

      “The Yes movement is not the SNP but the SNP appointing someone means we could really start to get on the front foot and as it would be a party decision there’s not a thing Ruth,Richard or Wullie could say about it.”

      Sorry to disillusion you, Molly, but all matters of change of policy within the SNP can only be made by the delegates sent by Local Branches and Constituency Associations to National Conference. Thus those delegates of Grass roots members, (and every member, including such as Nicola Sturgeon herself, has exactly the same number of votes), and there are no card votes in the SNP.

      The greatest example of such a policy change that I can recall was when conference voted upon a change of SNP policy on NATO membership. This was done before the World on TV. Conference had seconded proposals, seconded opposition motions and seconded amendments to both of the former proposals.

      It was heatedly debated and the former policy of an independent Scotland NOT applying for NATO membership was reversed by the majority of the delegates.

      The SNP membership appoints a leadership but that leadership cannot dictate party policies and it is the Holyrood parliamentary members that vote for who is to be First Minister. It could happen that these were different members appointed by the respective grass roots and elected to office MSPs. Furthermore it is the Westminster contingent who elect the leader of the Westminster SNP faction.

      The SNP is, and has always been, truly democratic.

      BTW: Bet you couldn’t guess who fell asleep in the big comfy arm chair at tea time and is now suffering from insomnia?

    188. Dan Huil says:

      Fight for it. Fight! Fight! Remember the sacrifices made by men and women over the centuries to gain and maintain Scotland’s independence.

    189. Smallaxe says:

      Robert Peffers says:

      “BTW: Bet you couldn’t guess who fell asleep in the big comfy armchair at tea time and is now suffering from insomnia?”

      That makes two of us, Sensei Peffers.
      🙂

    190. Ghillie says:

      Hallo Smallaxe =)

      Thank you for the lovely wishes 🙂 Gratefuly received x

      Wishing you and yours a lovely and guid New Year! (and to all Wingers too)

      Thank you for passing on Nana’s links, lots of informative reading there!

      Popped over to OT a few times and enjoyed folks’ music and chat but a bit late to join in usualy. Aye the coo’s tail!

    191. Smallaxe says:

      Ghillie:

      You’re most welcome, my friend. Thank you.
      🙂

    192. Dr Jim says:

      Following the M&S debacle where that store decided to inform us You’ll have had your referendum and you’re all part of England now, panic has set in to M&S and they’ve begun putting paper Saltire stickers on the already Union Flag prelabelled items in the hope of appeasing us gullible serfs up here in North Britain (which is really England now)

      I would suggest this is a lot too late and more than offensive as this labelling can be taken off as quickly as it was put on and more importantly we’ve seen and heard their stinking racist attitude towards Scotland so from me it’s not just M&S Fuck off it’s M&S fuck all the way right off

      Do you know what the Yoons are saying about this? they’re annoyed that we’d rather shop at a German supermarket Aldis or Lidl

      They don’t even get the fact that Aldis and Lidl didn’t insult Scotland, M&S did

    193. Liz Rannoch says:

      Heads up folks

      Nicola Sturgeon on Andrew Marr @ 9am

    194. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Ian Brotherhood at 12.22 am

      Blasting out Barbara Dickson’s magnificent version of “Parcel of Rogues” I suggest.

    195. Robert Peffers says:

      @Smallaxe says: 13 January, 2018 at 12:18 pm:

      “Segregation: 2018;
      https://www.thecanary.co/uk/2018/01/12/school-segregates-playground-rich-poor-zones-based-parents-ability-pay/

      Oh! For Heaven’s sake, Smallaxe! That report in, “The Canary”, you posted epitomises the entire Westminster Establishment, of multi-coloured Tories attitude as the solution to anything and everything. I call it, “The them & Us syndrome”.

      When I read the piece a wee thought immediately sprang to mind when I read this bit:-

      “Despite opposition, headteacher Maria Bull continued to defend the programme.

      She argued the school “didn’t have” any parents who couldn’t afford the £6, … “

      My immediate though was, “I wonder if Maria asked her husband, John Bull, for his opinion.”

    196. Smallaxe says:

      ANONYMOUS!

      https://twitter.com/anonspartanwill/status/952131614267539456
      ********************************************************
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&v=mE8x425PTV4&ab_channel=AnonScot.
      ************************************************************
      Please do not ask questions which I cannot answer, thank you.

    197. Effijy says:

      The Times Up Campaign with femail movie
      Stars coming out to expose the sexual abuse inflicted
      By high power male executives has similar parallels.

      Does anyone doubt that there will be many females in that
      Industry who took the casting couch route to fame and fortune
      And still today keep quite knowing that their abuser is still
      In power to continue with these horrific practises.

      As we witness here in Scotland,
      Thera are those who work towards
      The greater good for all and those who work toward taking a greater
      Share of our goods for themselves.

    198. Smallaxe says:

      Good morning, Sensei Peffers.
      🙂

      I have to go now and cook breakfast for Missy Lady in the big house.
      😉

    199. Ken500 says:

      M&S policy is not decided by one misguided employee. It sells multiple well labelled Scottish products. On fruit veg etc, With the name and premises of the Scottish producers listed on the products i.e. Beef. Fish etc with Scottish written all over it. Every single product. Many products have ‘Scottish’ written all over them. People just have to look for it. Whether it is real or not? Look up the internet but there are plenty of (majority) Scottish designated acknowledgement. Why people have such a problem of buying some products of good quality of from any rightful source. Supply and demand. Makes the world go round.

      These products are also exported. With Scottish/eccose written all over them. As a selling point of reputation. Scottish products have a reputation for quality. It is an EU requirement that goods have to be labelled by country of origin. So customers know the source. The stupidity of labelling any Scottish whisky as British will just rebound with loss of sales. People know Scottish whisky is of good reputation and will source the products not mis labelled. As a matter of choice. A good marketing stance to preserve standards and reputation.

      Anyone who opposes Scottish Independence lasts on average two years. Politicans, businesses, organisations etc, Especially in Scotland, they lose 50% of support. Loss of business. Who wants the poison chalice? May will be gone before long. Every word a lie. The SNP will just go from strength to strength. Standing up for Scotland in every sense. Thank goodness.

    200. Ken500 says:

      Univeral Suffrage in the UK 1928.

      In the US people can be prevented from registering to vote. Voter registration policy can prevent equality. States Law administration can prevent universal Suffrage. Federal Gov is expected to be more consistent. Uphold the Law, especially in southern States where racism and bigotry and violence against others was common. This questions the ethos of the ‘land of the free’, equality or democracy.

      The US of the most unequal, indebted countries in the world. Too many people still live in ghettos while half of revenues raised in the US is spent in the military. A ridiculous amount. ‘Land of the free’. Less likely. No empathy. Destroying other countries illegally. Ruining the world economy. Diplomacy on the strength of a bullet. Does not really work.

    201. louis.b.argyll says:

      Sturgeon is quite the most eloquent and honest politician, probably anywhere.

      Rev, your article is also quite eloquent, in effect. Top of the class, everyone.

      It’s easy, in politics, when you have truth on your side- yet the media hate us.

    202. mr thms says:

      The First Minister gave an informative interview with Andrew Marr this morning.

      I liked her insistance on being allowed to finish her answers.

    203. winifred mccartney says:

      Ref to M&S I’m afraid there are foodstuffs in M&S from Scotland with the UJ on them, and these I have put back and told them why. I reported this to the staff at Braehead before Christmas and insisted they record the complaint which was supposed to be passed on to management – never heard a word. There are some things also (very few) which do have the Saltire – this just to claim neutrality – I don’t believe them.

      The UJ has grown wings and is appearing on lots of things eg yesterday’s the revs twitter showed Tesco milk one day with Saltire next day with UJ.

      Apart from any indy concern we have to protect the Scottish Brand – who has ever heard of British Whisky – and even M&S will be desperate to brand Scottish when the English water table is contaminated by fracking and Scotland is the only place left with uncontaminated water.

      In the meantime M&S there really are plenty of other food outlets who have not made the corporate decisions M&S have made against Scotland.

    204. Graemeo Rab says:

      For myself the very Large Elephant in the Room is Scotland’s youth still to this day joining The Anglo British Military. Days of Empire are long past, 2 world wars are history and Conscription ended in 1960. So ask yourself this,why are our youth still signing up to an Army that could turn them against Scotland.
      Are they joining because (a) They already feel like house Negroes/Jocks ? (b) do they want to become the house Negro/Jock? and thus expect to be indoctrinated as such to eventually believe in Project Britain.(c) Did they join through some kind of Military fervour ? and the notion that The Anglo British Military is the only route to sate their Military ambitions.
      With (b) especially there is always the chance to renounce their house Negro/Jock position and come back over to the Good Scottish side. With(c) there is still the opportunity today to join The French Foreign Legion and sate your Military ambitions there.For (a) you are pretty much already lost to Scotland and can only bring negativity to Scotland with your return.

    205. geeo says:

      Lord Adonis in the Herald.

      “NICOLA Sturgeon’s opposition to Brexit is key to forcing a second EU referendum, former Labour cabinet minister Andrew Adonis has said.

      Adonis spoke out in his first interview with the Scottish media after sensationally quitting as the UK Government’s infrastructure tsar. He said he wanted to “work closely” with Sturgeon to make Westminster hold a second referendum.

      Speaking to the Sunday Herald, Lord Adonis said:

      “Her voice is a powerful one and I hope I can work closely with her in forcing Theresa May to let the people of the UK make the final decision on the Brexit deal that’s negotiated.”
      ………..

      Strange that…since LABOUR are fully OPPOSED to a 2nd INDEPENDENCE referendum huh ?

    206. Fred says:

      Spare a wee thought for M & S staff! They’re being screwed at the moment, working their butt’s off at Xmas, no thanks & no wee pressie, pay-cuts in the pipe-line by way of gratitude & a “take it or leave it” attitude from the management.

    207. Jock McDonnell says:

      I suppose this has been mentioned here this week already but Blackman didn’t mention independence – she actually said we don’t give too hoots about the union – which is subtly different.

    208. Bill McLean says:

      Smallaxe – don’t get here every day but had noticed you have returned. Great to read you again, thanks for the links, and hope this will be a great year for you. A wee suggestion re your post at 2.38am. “Wings will FLY us to freedom”! “Hopefully very soon – the old bones are creaking!!

    209. Lenny Hartley says:

      O/T receivedca response from M+S to my email telling them I was never going to darken their doors again “Dear Mr Hartley
      Thanks for your email.
      Towards the end of October last year we were made aware of a labelling error on our website for our Scottish whisky. We immediately rectified this mistake and we apologise for any upset that it caused. We can confirm all our whiskies are clearly labelled with the country of origin”.
      Kind regards
      Simon Hoskins
      Retail Customer Services
      Your M&S Customer Service”
      Ah, just a wee slip of the digital pen, that will be alright then!

    210. Lenny Hartley says:

      Graemeo Rab , i became a field Scot directly as a consequence of military service, others I know were the same. Non political when they joined up but quickly realising that the so called union is not as equal for some as others.

    211. Smallaxe says:

      Bill McLean,

      Thank you, Bill, for your kind words and your “Wings will FLY us to freedom” correction to my own clumsy attempt. I wish you and yours a Good, Prosperous and Peaceful new year, my friend.

    212. Tinto Chiel says:

      One of your best, Rev, and many sage comments btl.

      Another aspect of Yooncringe is their taking over of Burns Clubs. This is made easier by the fact that masonic presence in these clubs is usually strong, with their insistence on Loyal Toasts and a lunatic insistence that Burns would have voted no ‘cos he was a mason himself. Meanwhile their office-bearers swan about in their wee chains and regalia but belt out “their tinsel show an’ a’ that” without any trace of irony.

      The things The Cringe does to the human brain…..

      Frightening, really.

    213. Bill McLean says:

      Smallaxe – not clumsy at all just spur of the moment. Thanks for your kind wishes and presence here!

    214. Flower of Scotland says:

      Hope you’re much better Smallaxe.

      Saw a wee bit of Nicola,s interview on twitter but because I cancelled my TV license in August, I didn’t see the whole thing. I’m sure it will be on YouTube soon. Unfortunately the Propaganda Broadcasters don’t invite Ms Sturgeon onto many programmes. We can’t have the “Great British” population liking her too much!

    215. heedtracker says:

      Great to see you again Smallaxe. Thanks for the great linksmanship editorial. Love and best wishes to Nana too!

    216. gus1940 says:

      Well done Nicola.

      She handled Marr’s interruptions beautifully without being rude and aggresive – just firm and polite.

    217. galamcennalath says:

      Something the Uncle Tams, BritNats, and proud-Scots-buts need to get their heads round …

      ‘British’ just means second class English.

    218. Cactus says:

      Upon clarity…

      First Minister of and for Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon, will make an announcement at some point this year with regards to a referendum being held on Scottish independence.

      An announcement will be made at some point this year.

      To the fields.

    219. stewartb says:

      Lenny Hartley @ 10:59 am

      Re- your O/T regarding the response from M+S to your email:

      “Dear Mr Hartley, Thanks for your email.
      Towards the end of October last year we were made aware of a labelling error on our website for our Scottish whisky. We immediately rectified this mistake and we apologise for any upset that it caused. We can confirm all our whiskies are clearly labelled with the country of origin”.

      Just for the sake of accuracy, M&S did not “immediately rectify” and did not immediately acknowledge an error. Customer/s raised it with M&S first. It was only after The National took up the issue that the company made the change. And of course it was not only an issue regarding Scotch but also gin made in Scotland listed as British in contrast to gin made in England.

      Great to think that now in shops throughout Scotland customers that value Scottish produce/products and Scotland’s brand might be undertaking their own personal ‘audits’ of how the outputs of Scotland’s farmers, growers and food manufacturers are being labeled and promoted (or not).

      (I image the upcoming Scotland in Union Burns Supper will be serving up that British Haggis that is sold with the Union flag all over the packaging – picture a wee Union flag stuck into the haggis as it is carried into the SiU dining room!)

    220. heedtracker says:

      The US of the most unequal, indebted countries in the world.

      Ken the USA is not a European country. Americans are not Europeans. America is a foreign country.

      It may be changing over there but the USA is a country that believes in low taxation, paying for everything yourself, from your uni to your health care, via £1 a gallon of gas, in your giant car/truck. If you break the Law in the USA you face far higher jail terms than anything we see in any European country, including ofcourse, the death penalty.

      Generalising like this only works because it explains why half of America voted Orange Hitler, a pussy grabbing President.

      Ofcourse, the USA has the most ultra rich class of elites anywhere in the world, apart from, the UK, where our royals for example still rank up there with the Koch brothers, Bill Gates etc.

      At least half of Americans do not want European style socialism, they believe profoundly that their way of economics is what has made the US the world’s largest economy, not socialism European style. You earn it, you keep it, you spend it.

      The issue for us “Brits?” Our red or blue tory UK gov masters also want the UK to become more and more like the USA, see uni fee debt mountain in England, or look at how their beeb gimp network is now lying about/covering up the latest tory catastrofuck multi billion bail out Carillion catastrophe in motion. Their BBC gimp network only exists to sell USA style socio economics for them.

      https://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers

    221. Robert Peffers says:

      @geeo says: 14 January, 2018 at 12:16 am:

      “On the subject of American History..”

      In the first place the, catch all, description they use of the phrase, “America”, or even, “The United States”, is as bad, if not worse, than The Westminster Establishment’s use of the catch all term, “Britain”, instead of the United Kingdom.

      There are three Americas plus Canada and a few more odds and sods. There is The USA, Central America, The United States of Mexico, New Mexico and South America and they even include parts north of Canada. These stretch from the north to the south poles of old Planet Earth.

      Both Westminster and Washington use these catch all descriptions as propaganda to belittle the legitimate states around them and to attempt to dominate them.

      Even North America does not properly describe the United States of America. There are far more Americans outside the USA than in it and, like Westminster, Washington is terrified of those states they seek to absorb and dominate.

      To put that into perspective the USAsians seek to denigrate, for example, all Mexicans but can anyone honestly claim that a Mexican in a beautiful Hacienda with vast areas of cultivated and grazing land is an inferior species of humanity than a Red Neck white USAsian dweller in a Calafornian Trailer Park?

      Furthermore, “American History”, is even, (Thanks to Hollywood), more fictitious than even that of the United Kingdom/Britain.

      The truth being that it was the white settlers who began the practice of taking native American scalps as trophies to wear on their belts and thus they were the savages not what they called the Indians. It was the White Settlers who deliberately slaughtered the Buffalo that were the mainstay supporting the native American nations and reservations were essentially just big concentration camps.

      So you are correct – there was nothing heroic about the formation of the USA, nothing heroic about the cowboys and the countries surrounding the USA are far from being the inferior species of humanity the often, “White Trash”, USAsians would have the World believe their neighbours to be.

      The treatment still being dealt out to the former enslaved, and mainly coloured, USAsians in the USA is a blot on the face of the World and that blot now extends to vast tracts of the World where USAsian military might is killing and maiming countless million of mainly coloured human beings.

      The USA are the self appointed World’s Police force and at both domestic and World level they are equally inclined to shoot first and not even bother to ask questions afterwards. In which World policing they are not slow to claim, “Britain”, a.k.a. England, as their greatest allies.

      Go figure.

    222. Bobp says:

      Rock says the most stupid people on the planet are Scottish. Nope, but definitely the most brainwashed. More so than even the north Koreans.

    223. Dr Jim says:

      Quite a few of the house slaves on Twitter not happy at all with Scotlands FM Nicola Sturgeon for not allowing Andrew Marr time to ask the questions he needed to expose this hideous horrible see you jimmy Scotch upstart with her squeeky hag voice

      So mostly impartial Yoons there

    224. Cactus says:

      There is only ONE true way to make a house a home.

      To all the HOME Scots.

      It’s 2018.

    225. Smallaxe says:

      Thank you all for your kind and generous words, I’m pleased to say that I’m feeling much better than I have been recently.

      I will pass on your kind wishes to Nana who has sent some more links to me which I will post shortly now that this excellent thread has moved on. Love and Peace to All Wingers.

    226. Iain mhor says:

      I didn’t really want to touch this topic with a barge pole because reasons.
      But ach…anyway, the topic as I understand it is about a mindset, not about race or slavery. The example used in the OP just happens to be associated with that.
      What I’d like to address is where the example is inclined to be associated ‘Oppression’ as opposed to ‘Repression’ and I think there is where the difference lies in relation to Scotland today.

      It is a difference and it’s interesting to think about whether the Field/House/Uncle Tam analogy stands up, or whether (as alluded elsewhere) perhaps “Stockholm Syndrome” or other psychological analogy is equally valid.
      I would tentatively suggest, that the primary driver in the Field/House analogy was ‘Oppression’ and much of that from a basic survival root initially and passive.
      Repression is a different animal, though certainly produces the same division of mindsets but perhaps for a different reason.

      In 2012 Alex Salmond -in the consultation paper ‘Your Scotland Your Referendum’ – stated that “Scotland is not oppressed and we have no need to be liberated” (I’m sure that line will have straightened a few backs!) – However, he goes on to say “Independence matters because we do not have the powers to reach our potential. We are limited in what we can do to create jobs, grow the economy and help the vulnerable. We shouldn’t have a constitution which constrains us, but one which frees us to build a better society”…

      Now to me, that was making a clear distinction between oppression and repression (stifles urge to link “Help, help I’m being repressed”) The Field/House mindset if it develops here, is at it’s root a result of conscious choice to be the part of the repressed or the repressor. Not a product of base oppression of the ‘whipped cur’ fawning to it’s master.
      In that case it is quite certainly far more insidious and invidious position to take. For I’d suggest (I don’t know) but the ‘Oppressed of the Field’ may look upon the ‘Oppressed of the House’ more in pity – but the ‘Repressed of the Field’ look upon the ‘House’ with anger and resentment.

      So, yes I think there are melded elements there and it varies from person to person. But the real ‘Uncle Tams’ of Scotland appear to be driven to that a bit more insidiously. Not so much from a survival strategy due to Oppression, but to be either part of the ‘winning team’ or to actively repress their countrymen. It’s that active choice which also drags it further from “Stockholm Syndrome” which is also passive.

      I’m sure there are those who will argue about whether they feel oppressed or repressed. I’d say have a long think about that. I don’t doubt historically there is a possible case to be made for oppression in some quarters of Scotland, but today? In the interest of brevity I won’t expound any more on this psychological topic (I’ll leave such things to Mr Brodie)
      Also, If you have never read Alex’s Introduction to the paper I referenced, I recommend it.

      ‘Your Scotland Your Referendum’ (.pdf)
      http://www.gov.scot/Resource/0038/00386122.pdf#page=13

    227. Smallaxe says:

      Sorry, those went in backwards, like me!
      🙂

    228. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      This follows on from the mentions of ‘Scotland the brand’, and UJ branding.

      For the past few months, I have been buying ‘Dairy Manor British filtered milk’ from Lidl – £1.09 for 4 Litres. It has a UJ on the label.

      https://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/ocado-compare-prices/Fresh_Milk/Dairy_Manor_Filtered_Milk_Semi_Skimmed_Fresher_for_Longer_2L.html

      The reason I buy it is because of its long ‘use by’ period. It doesn’t go off before I’ve used it all. I even freeze some in 500ml bottles, for defrosting and taking to work. A 500ml bottle does me for my coffee during the week and doesn’t go off during that period.

      The producer’s name and address on the label is Müller, East Kilbride. From Googling, it appears that Müller bought Robert Wiseman Dairies some years ago, hence their presence in East Kilbride.

      What also turned up (from 2016) was that the depots in Aberdeen and East Kilbride were to be closed down. Anyone from the East Kilbride area know what’s happening? Is the Müller presence in EK just ‘a plaque on the wall’?

    229. Thepnr says:

      @Shinty

      Enjoyed the Marr interview with the FM. Thanks for the link.

    230. Jack Murphy says:

      Smallaxe posted several good links at 1:36 pm today.

      This one is certainly pertinent in today’s Scottish NHS [SNHS] :
      “What people actually experience at A&E in Scotland
      https://www.autonomyscotland.org/ae-scotland/

      A random quote by a hospital consultant working in Scotland:

      “…….As medicine has become more sophisticated, the extent of investigations has increased, and it is really extraordinary that so much is done within four hours.

      It should not be a serious criticism of the NHS if these steps exceed four hours in some cases, and an argument could be made to raise that target………”

      Reading the full article is recommended. 🙂

    231. CameronB Brodie says:

      Iain mhor
      Good post, thanks. I’d forgotten about active and passive modes, though I’ve probably still been trying to use them in my sentence construction.

      It is a difficult one, though I would suggest the Acts of Union repress Scotland’s national identity and liberty to develop public policy that’s supported by the Scottish electorate. The Acts also changed the legal status of the Scottish person, from sovereign individual to subject of the Crown. Subsequently, Scotland has stood still, in terms of national development, when compared with other European nations with sovereign parliaments. To this day, Scotland still suffers unacceptably high mortality rates due to poverty related illness, as Scots continue to be denied access to our inalienable “Right to Development”. So I’d suggest Scots are technically oppressed, whether or not it is felt socially acceptable (see Brexit).

      http://www.msvu.ca/en/home/studentservices/academicadvisingsupport/writingcentre/handouts/activevspassivevoice/default.aspx

      Tagore: Transcending Post Colonial Attitudes

      Cultural identity remains a strong ground of resistance to the political/commercial hegemony of forces ranged against pluralism. As part of this ‘assertion’ or ‘resistance’, culture is increasingly being defined through variegated parameters.

      During the days of colonisation, culture was a potent symbol of protest as well as cooption. Post-colonial theory premises itself largely on what it perceives as acculturation arising out of a policy of diffusion-which aimed at the expansion of European culture throughout the colonies; as distinct from the evolutionary approach where parallel developments emerge out of interaction. Hoebel in Kopf ( 1969:4-5) defines acculturation as a ‘process of interaction between two societies by which the culture of the society in subordinate position is drastically modified to conform to the culture of the dominant society’. A large section of scholars of post-colonialism view the Indian renaissance in this light. Irrespective of shades of left or right, such theorists are suspicious of the Orientalists who were the prime movers of the evolutionary approach.

      From one point of view, the reconstruction of the past is construed as resistance to an alien political power; from a different point of view, it may involve perpetuation of an indigenous social order smothering inner currents of change-and thus an oppressive native corollary to foreign domination, guilty of fostering an unjust system. It may also be viewed as a subtle endeavour at sharing the loaves of office/patronage.

      https://www.inflibnet.ac.in/ojs/index.php/SHSS/article/download/3230/2512

    232. heedtracker says:

      Enjoyed the Marr interview with the FM. Thanks for the link.

      Marvel and be amazed, how the beeb gimps use polster Sir John Curtice’s polls, to beat the living shit out of the SNP, shock.

      https://www.strath.ac.uk/whystrathclyde/news/professorjohncurticeknightedinnewyearhonourslist/

      rule britnatia.

    233. heedtracker says:

      Does Sir John of Curticeshire ask stuff like the below in his glorious British polls of rule britnatia? Although to be fair, beeb gimpery would certainly NOT permit anything like this, on their beeb gimp networks, any of them.

      https://www.snp.org/tory_promises_often_made_rarely_delivered

    234. CameronB Brodie says:

      Thanks Heed, I forgot the BBC and their principle role in Scotland i.e. to support the cohesion of the UK.

      Help, help, I’m being oppressed by the state broadcaster. 😉

      @BBC in Scotland
      I don’t suppose you’d care to do a special on the “Right to Development”, in your next indyref coverage?

      “The right to development is an inalienable human right by virtue of which every human person and all peoples are entitled to participate in, contribute to, and enjoy economic, social, cultural and political development, in which all human rights and fundamental freedoms can be fully realized.” (Article 1.1, Declaration on the Right to Development)

      “The human right to development also implies the full realization of the right of peoples to self-determination, which includes, subject to the relevant provisions of both International Covenants on Human Rights, the exercise of their inalienable right to full sovereignty over all their natural wealth and resources.” (Article 1.2)

      http://www.un.org/en/events/righttodevelopment/pdf/rtd_at_a_glance.pdf

    235. heedtracker says:

      “The human right to development also implies the full realization of the right of peoples to self-determination, which includes, subject to the relevant provisions of both International Covenants on Human Rights, the exercise of their inalienable right to full sovereignty over all their natural wealth and resources.” (Article 1.2)

      It is a fascinating issue Cameron, BBC propaganda. Human rights and propaganda go together like oil and water, they need to be mixed hard to look they’re one and the same because when they stop the mix they just separate completely.

      Only real defense or explanation of the success of BBC propaganda is, simply, our elitist state is not actually that exclusive.

      Our elite masters will literally take anyone at all, as long you’re loyal, rich and or a UK media propagandist, aka Ligger Neil, ordinary Paisley lad, uni, tory, Sarah Smith, posh gel sure but still middle class Scots, Brewer, again, middle class ligger, small town boy, livin the bright lights big city beeb gimp life, envy of all his old local hack comrades.

      Look at everyone in Pacific Quay, that we can see, publicly. They’re all middle class, some private school, most uni, but they are all very highly paid, for their loyal propaganda, all averaging £200 hundred grand a year. Is it show biz or unremitting SNP bac attack propaganda pay?

      Are you on £200+k a year?

      An NHS heart surgeon gets an average £75k a year. Slogging away at school for 5 A’s, 6 years really grafting through uni, in an incredibly competitive uni selection process, who knows how long before consultancy, in our terrible and horrific NHS hospitals.

      Your average beeb gimp’s nothing like any of the above yet has no compunction in monstering Scotland’s NHS, day in day out.

      So that beeb £200k a year gimp pays buys you very high grade propaganda, look at Sarah Smith’s 100,000 Scottish A&E waiting list tragedy. A blatant flat out lie from the lovely Sarah, yet its out here now, pumping away into our lives, and Sarah will be amply rewarded for all of it.

      Whose lives are developing then, in teamGB?

    236. Highland Wifie says:

      Heard a clip from Nicola’s interview with Marr in the news at lunchtime.

      Nicola: “I’m not in charge of that timetable..” (Brexit)
      Marr: (interrupting) “None of us are.”

      What?! Why on earth would a lowly tv presenter put himself in the same category as our FM? We’re all in this together and you have no more power than me is what he seems to be saying. How dare he imply that the First Minister of Scotland is of no importance in something that has profound implications for the people the Scottish Government is responsible for.
      What an arrogant prat Andrew Marr is.

    237. winifred mccartney says:

      Someone mentioned M&S staff and suppliers – well they too should be speaking up indy or not at least on the issue of the Scottish brand. If they don’t speak up are they ‘just following orders’ now where have I heard that before.

    238. North chiel says:

      “ Heedracker@ 0322pm” . I would have thought that the obvious response to the
      Immigration “ poll” would have been the 62 percent Yes vote in Scotland to remain in the EU ( retaining free movement) ?? Perhaps it’s down to how the question was “ framed” by “ sir proff” ??

    239. heedtracker says:

      Perhaps it’s down to how the question was “ framed” by “ sir proff” ??

      Why does anyone get a knighthood from the tories, red or blue
      North chiel?

      Sir John is as impartial and unbiased as the BBC. If he wasn’t, he’d be a uni prof at Strathclyde, marking essays, the odd lecture, some tutorials.

      Which would you choose?

    240. Reluctant Nationalist says:

      The obvious response to the immigration poll (which concerned Sturgeon’s rhetoric about desiring a more liberal system dictated from Holyrood, opposed to what Scotland had experienced – dictated from Westminster – during decades of already being within the EU, hence the apparent cognitive dissonance looking a lot less dissonant) FOR YOU, is to act as if most Scots – including most pro-independence Scots – don’t really know what they want, and then to stick your head in the sand.

      Anyway, Sturgeon can’t play this terrible hand again, whilst innocently claiming she thought a handful of jokers was a flush, so I look forward to a more imaginative tactic next time she wants to lose a few more seats. Perhaps the next conference can be held at Glasgow central mosque with Nicola in full burqa. Yes. YES!

    241. Reluctant Nationalist says:

      Why do you think Scots not desiring more immigration is somehow a barrier to independence, heed?

    242. hackalumpoff says:

      BBC ALBA @2300 Sunday 14th
      Documentary on Martin Luther King and Malcolm X and how their visions changed history.
      Not that I can watch, not being a licence payer!

    243. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      I see the diversions are happening again.

      Indyref2 is simple – we will be voting to determine if Scotland will become an independent country. That’s all.

      All the talk about immigration, and all other policies, is immaterial before independence. Policies will be decided by the first independent Scottish Parliament, elected on the manifestos of the Scottish parties who stand for election, with or without the help of referendums on EU membership, the monarchy and so on, after the event.

      What’s causing the so-called ‘schisms’ among Yessers? Easy answer: trying to dictate an independent Scotland’s relationship with the world – BEFORE we have achieved independence!

    244. Ghillie says:

      Iain Mhor @ 1.24 pm and Cameron B @ 3.17 pm

      Excellent analysis. Repression or oppression.

      Scotland certainly suffered oppression historicaly.

      Now and in the recent past the far more insidious repression of all good things Scottish is rife from all across the UK.

      When I pause to remember the omnipresent acts of repression (remember Stirling Council banning the flying of the Saltire, our Nations flag! And sabotaging the commemoration of the 700th annierisary of the Battle of Bannockburn?)

      I am shocked at the sheer volume and blatentness of attempts to suppress this nation.

      M&S have bought into this wholesale.

      Has that House of Lords thintank plan been activated?

    245. Rock says:

      Bobp,

      “Rock says the most stupid people on the planet are Scottish. Nope, but definitely the most brainwashed. More so than even the north Koreans.”

      I am afraid you have got it wrong, “my friend”.

      I don’t think the North Koreans are brainwashed or stupid. They have a brutal dictatorship and have no choice but to do as they are told.

      Only the most stupid people on earth can be as brainwashed as so many in Scotland are, in a supposedly free country.

    246. Ghillie says:

      Shinty @ 1.09 pm

      Thank you for the link to Nicola Sturgeon’s interview on the Andrew Marr show.

      Our First Minister is excellent.

      It must be a shock to Andrew Marr’s system to hear a politition who actualy answers his questions.

    247. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Rock.

      You and Ben Carson are in the same clubbie, reading from the same pamphlets, iye?

      http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/11/in-speech-ben-carson-says-many-americans-are-stupid/

    248. CameronB Brodie says:

      Rock
      I don’t know for sure if you’re simply stirring to cause trouble but it’s begining to look like it from here. You can’t expect to win folk over to your argument by insulting them? So why do you continue to do so?

    249. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi CameronB.

      Have you ever seen a striped leopard?

    250. CameronB Brodie says:

      Brian Doonthetoon
      Can’t say that I have Brian.

    251. K1 says:

      Spot on Brian. 😉

    252. Patsy Millar says:

      Says it all!

    253. robertknight says:

      To paraphrase Richard Dawkins;

      There is something infantile in the presumption that somebody else has a responsibility to run the affairs of our country… The truly adult view, by contrast, is that our country can be as ambitious, as inclusive and as successful as we choose to make it.

    254. Brus MacGallah (@BrusMacGallah) says:

      I get the point of the article but Muhammad Ali (pictured with Mr. X) was no house Ni**er. He rejected his given “slave” name of Cassius Clay, and was stripped of his boxing titles (and passport) at the height of his powers due to his opposition to the Vietnam War. As Ali said “No Viet Cong ever called me nigger”

    255. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

      “I get the point of the article but Muhammad Ali (pictured with Mr. X) was no house Ni**er.”

      Nobody was suggesting for a moment that he was. The position of the picture relative to the text is important.



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