Wings Over Scotland

I wish May would give up flogging the useless dead horse she calls “Precious Union”.

From this side of the Channel it looks more ridiculous by the day.

And that is exactly how UK gov works.

Aye Chris, that’s about the size o’ things richt enough. Sigh!

Swiss Perspective @ 7:10am

May is jumping into the erupting volcano clutching her “Preciousss!”

The “precious Union” bs is strictly for internal consumption. When the Great British Public realise just how thoroughly they’ve been shafted, the GB Government will be busy blaming everything on, the EU, foreigners, Remoaners and the Jocks. In fact, they’ve already begun.

This is a F..k Up that will go down in history.

I agree with Smallaxe – you have made her far too good looking!

I think the magic word is ‘BEFORE’ – what are they going to do BEFORE Brexit?

It was most interesting to note that not one outlet queried what the wummin’ is going to do , what policies/policy she might have = as opposed to attacking the SNP in the mode of the Buffalo Girl ,” Do your day job yackety yak’ while mentioning Independence every 5 seconds.

Does contain nuts.

Hi robertknight – sorry you are nearly right – correct answer is, when a Tory starts talking.

Auld Rock

Honestly, anyone who still believes anything the Tories or unionists say or promise with regard to Scotland or more powers is living on a different planet.

If Scotland falls for their lies, fake news and scare stories again, I believe they will put measures in place preventing Scotland from ever being in the strong position we’re currently in.

To all Labour voters,members and ex members.

Take a good look,here we have probably the most incompetent tory ever to be in charge of the conservative party,her gaffs are westminster legends,she has practically ruined every department she has been in and had to be reshuffled in a tory
save face.

Now look at the PLP,just how useless are they if they can not even land a few blows on this heinous tory government mired in election fraud scandals.

Take it from this Labour activist of 40 years the red flag died the day tombstone tony and his band of reprobates got control.

Now we fly a blue flag with a lovely white cross through it 🙂

It just shows you what you can do when your government controls the media. The UK not paying their £50 Billion Brexit debt being put out as a good thing for the UK.

But during Scotland’s Independence referendum, the unionist media and the UK government made big capital out of the fact that if Scotland did not honour its debt, it would be seen as a some sort of Banana republic country by the rest of the world.

It really does feel like we’re living in some sort of hypocrisy Twilight parallel universe.

Always look forward to the Saturday morning cartoon, and this one is brilliant! I’m just wondering where she’s parked her broomstick and pointy hat.

Puzzled Puss says:

“I’m just wondering where she’s parked her broomstick and pointy hat”

In a disabled parking space, of course!

Peace Always

och silly me i forgot to mention we are going to destroy the Labour party,just thought i would remind you it not like its a big secret or anything lol

Twisted face with a twisted tory heart [if she has one]

She reminds me of the fellow who played the gormless inspector from ‘On the buses’

For anyone interested, morning links on previous thread.

Even the Guardian might just be starting to get it.

link to archive.is

“The SNP’s conference comes in two weeks, and there is speculation about Sturgeon accelerating the push for a second vote, and challenging May to defy her. Corbyn and Khan’s rhetoric is being interpreted as an early taste of the approach the Scottish Labour party would take: going down shouting, essentially.”

I can see T. Rex reintroducing a UK wide (for the moment) Ministry of Fisheries and Agriculture with Scotland getting a population share of any disbursements. There will be no talk of net produce or sea area. Just a there you are Jocks, now get on with it and raise taxes ( ha ha) to give to our wondrous great landowners more of your hard earnt.

Fisheries, without control of Defense in Scottish waters is a trap. There would be no Icelandic type cod war to protect our rights. Scotland could set quotas but they would be ignored by English, Russian and Spanish fleets.

Just more May awayday games.

@Calum McKay

I enjoyed watching this man shining a light on the British Empire

Author Shashi Tharoor says Britons suffer from “historical amnesia” when it comes to understanding the history of the British Empire

link to twitter.com

Some excellent reporting on the STory conference in The National such as “Independence, independence, independence”:
link to archive.is

There’s also comment on the 30% of Tories who would vote for independence, and the mood from the sparsely attended venue.

Very hesitantly and reluctantly, they concede that independence is something they might even support if the debate was framed “realistically”.
link to archive.is

Calum McKay:”Imposing your culture upon others, rubbishing others cultures whilst dividing and ruling had been the British way to obtain an empire, and still is in Scotland 2017!”

A bit like this, really:

“Deprive the people of their national consciousness, treat them as a tribe and not a nation, dilute their national pride, do not teach their history, propagate their language as inferior, imply they have a cultural void, emphasize their customs are primitive, and dismiss independence as a barbaric anomaly.”

Behold the words of Reinhard Heydrich, SS Obergruppenfuehrer, speaking of the people of Czechoslovakia.

Kinda spooky, eh?

It will be unwritten Tory policy that Scotland is getting too good a deal and already has too many powers, and this should be rolled back in WM’s favour. It will pervade all their thinking.

Look at how they tried to trim back on the block grant as part of the Smith fiscal settlement. They were defeated and won’t forget that defeat.

They are more than willing to discuss special deals for NI, London, Nissan, but not for Scotland. Scotland, by their terms, has already had too many special deals.

May will not give an inch of ground to Scotland on Brexit. indyRef2 is now 100% inevitable.

It’s ideological. ‘Scotland needs her wings (no pun intended) clipped’ is Tory dogma.

The next clash will be the timing of IndyRef2. The Tories won’t want it during Brexit negotiations, we MUST have it during this period.

Understandably, May won’t want too battles at once, her perception will be that there are two side, the EU and the UK in it’s entirety. Ther reality is, Tory actions have led to there actually being three discrete parties now!

Great stuff. Ideology of fine print, should be the tory logo. Everything they say is a lie, everything they do makes the rich richer, but its not lies, check the fine print.

Labour Isn’t Working, so we get 40, maybe 60+ years of tory rule, and Baron Fluffie of Scotland, at the end of it all and still in charge.

Hammer of the Scots, Severin Carrell, says,
UK
world

Scottish independence
Theresa May lays down independence vote challenge to Nicola Sturgeon
PM escalates attacks on SNP demand for greater autonomy after Brexit, throwing down referendum gauntlet

and he gets over ten thousand btl commentators, all commentatorising for rancid old The Graun and their rancid old UKOK zone.

“What did Mayhem actually say oh wise one Severin?!”

Check the fine print, its rule Britannia all over again.

IndyLive streaming outside tory conf from 11.30am

link to twitter.com

Aye, the devil’s in the detail right enough!!

I just got a Scotland in Union leaflet through the door.

Very glossy. Not sure if they realise that the points they make apply equally if not more so to the Brexit debacle.

The Independent has an article on Mrs May’s speech that makes the point that what she has said also applies to Brexit.

link to archive.is

Apologies if it has already been posted.

Yesterday’s Ligger Neil BBC vote tory Politics show is worth a watch, Baron Fluffie has a tory fit, and then Angus Robertson gets it from the Ligger too, but then Robertson asks the Ligger an easy one back and he too has a tory fit.

Watching future Sir Fluffie going nuts is really weird though, as he begins speaking in tongues, tory tongues. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. I know the God squad also reads WoS.

Both in word and action the current Conservative government are, by any standard, NOT the friend of the common man and woman.

Let’s be perfectly clear about the Conservative and unionist party. They are wrong. On every possible level they are wrong. Their methods aren’t caring. They aren’t for sharing and they wouldn’t know true unity or partnership if it jumped up and bit them on their collective arses.

Unity and partnership require the ability to come and go. They require mutual respect and understanding, care, compassion, compromise and effort. THAT is unity and partnership as humanity understands it the world over. Unity and partnership aren’t about demanding or taking. They aren’t selfish, arrogant or thoughtless. Precisely the opposite.

In short, the current government of the UK are the bad guys. They are not only wrong in their beliefs, but they are morally in the wrong.

They willingly cause real harm to those supposedly in their care. To their own population and all for their own selfish agendas. That’s pretty much the bottom line right there.

They hurt people.

Paul Gerard McCormack.
Paul, you are not a “pathetic creature”. We are all desperate for Yes2, but I am equally desperate for polls to show a bit over the 50% consistently.
As Alex said yesterday, when he launched Yes1 the polls were 28% and are now 49%. Looks good but not certain. Wish I knew what to do. We can not afford to lose this one.
Can only trust Nicola.

Two thoughts:

1) Looking forward to finding out how much the UK will have to pay to the EU as the price of Brexit – nothing according to a House of Lords committee or up to £50billion according to other sources.

For now let’s split the difference: say £25billion. Scotland’s population share of the cost will be c.£2.1billion but could be twice this. This debt burden on Scotland will be on top of what we already contribute to payment of interest on the UK’s debt which we also didn’t vote to incur.

Saddled with existing debt payments and with minimal controls over economic levers, it is a marvel that Scotland has survived as well as it has since 2008/9. The reasons are that we are asset rich and have a highly competent government in Holyrood.

2) Teresa May’s speech in Glasgow is being interpreted as signalling an intention for the Tory Westminster government to become more involved in ‘improving’ matters in areas of policy that are currently devolved. (See for example Craig Murray’s analysis on his blog.)

What strikes me is that a Tory party looking for central government to intervene more across all parts of the UK is hardly a party likely to have any truck with federalism. This was to be expected but May’s speech would seem to cement this view.

Hardly conducive to getting cross-part agreement in Westminster for even an initial exploration of Labour’s fantasy fix for the UK constitution.

One Nation Tories…

link to imgur.com

Spot on as ever Chris.
Britannia waves the rules as always.
That’s why there is no written constitution,make it up as they go along.

@Grouse Beater, I read your ‘taxi rant’ blog.
I have already tweeted to that girl’s tutor at Stirling Uni & suggested an apology should be forthcoming.

I think we have every right to say that we were abused by that column.
I also suggested that she brought Stirling Uni into disrepute.

Tutor’s reply was – I was entitled to my opinion but she hope I would criticise all abuse.

Don’t know if they just don’t get how outrageous that ill informed article was or they are hoping it will all go away,
Pro indy students at Stirling should send in a collective complaint or are some students more worthy than others.

Make no mistake. Theresa May indicated in that speech that Westminster fully intend to involve themselves even in devolved issues. The impotence of Sewell has enabled them to do so with impunity.

In effect they are taking charge. If indy fails this time we may not have another chance, They will run Scotland from Westminster.

Now or possibly never for independence. What a decision of timing Nicolas must make for optimum support being assured.

Theresa May/May Not give a toss about Scotland and the Scots. (Delete as Applicable).

Nice Chris.

Anything and everything the British state and its media acolytes say is not worth the paper it’s not written on.

All you folks that think out loud on twitter are fuds.

Dividing, angry, pseudo-fake-neo-bedwetters.

I fart in your general direction..it’s more effective than tweeting..

Synthetic Grievance, burnt into our souls. Which tory cooked up that, how many times has it been farted at us by all the usual tory BBC Scotland gimps out there, busy as they are, crawling along the floor of the Armadillo, with blury HD state of the art tv cameras, all frantically trying to make the tory conference audience look even remotely like what the SNP gets?

Anyone can be a tory BBC propagandist.

Heedtracker

‘Synthetic Grievance’. A good phrase to depict the nonsense coming from Westminster. The political elite in London have been saying this for awhile. ‘Obsessed with Independence’ seems to have been the soundbite since the EU Referendum. The Unionists should be forced to listen to themselves since June 2016; it had been nothing but ‘obsessed with Independence’. At PMQ’s SNP Question to the PM has had an answer that has been obsessed with Independence even though the question had nothing to do with the Constitution. Airing ‘Synthetic Grievances’ didn’t do well for the Nazi Government in the end, I’m sure the mad History Prof will tell us. Right will prevail.

I heard May saying in her day trip vee are… (sorry) Wir sind ein Volk……. was I dreaming? One people. You shall obey.

Is this right wing extremism from the britnats? I think fluffy should tell us. He tells us everything else as the Governor General.

Scotland is made up of many people or can May not count?

Now with the NI vote May is in more trouble. The hard brexiters lost out.

Theresa May should be registering as a big player in this, on paper, but she is steadily building up quite a dossier of extremely dubious decisions; appointing Boris Johnston and the cabinet all stars, voting Remain but now cheerleading for Brexit, immigrant ads, deportations, publicly jilted and humiliated as an after dinner mint on the European menu, all comfy and cosy holding hands with sugar-daddy Uncle Donald before realising how toxic and racist his breath was, then month after month of keeping Mum about Brexit plans, I could go on, but let’s skip ahead to her latest Scottish adventure, the one where she didn’t wear tartan…

Theresa May is a patsy; no leader of men or great thinker, and frankly, in way over her head. She’s the one dumb enough to carry the can. I believe Mrs May might be talking the talk of progress, but it’s hollow rhetoric; she’ll say or do anything which requires she does “something”, but she is playing her hand like a dead man walking; my personal interpretation of that is that she doesn’t expect to be the one still in office who has to deal with the consequences.

So much for Theresa May, but reference John Major, Tony Blair, even Ken Clarke…. no not for their reputations or relevance, but that mainstream British pro-European remainer sentiment which currently has no mechanism or voice to reign in Theresa May and her UKIP inspired excesses. The ones who see the headlights of what’s coming as the other bunnies dance about…

I wonder, I wonder, together with that curious article which claimed a third of Tories are non-plused about Scottish Independence, I wonder whether there are channels for constructive dialogue with that part of Britain which has better instincts than Theresa May about Scotland and Brexit, which can recognise that helping Scotland, rather than provoking decades of acrimonious instability, could perhaps be the key to a more liberal and forgiving Brexit deal for England. Brexit to the letter as defined, but with a sovereign Scottish government left inside Europe who can perhaps bring a doggy bag home from European conventions for those parties stood outside in the cold.

It’s not John Major we want, certainly not Tony Blair, at the moment there’s a big dog that’s running around down South, lost and without a name, but desperate for an idea…

Watching a huge non planet toryboy demo outside the Armadillo right now on Facebook, big WoS flags a plenty:D

Something about sticking your union up something, currently being discussed, and tory scum too.

Looking forward to watching BBC Scotland news camera gimps, sliding along the tarmac on their big wobbly bellies, trying to make the demo look almost as massive as they do to tory conference audiences.

Independence means Independence and we’re going to make a success of it and get the best possible deal for Scotland

I keep repeating their own argument to them and it makes them even more mentally irregular than they already are

@ Mike Cassidy

If Nicola pushes the button later this month the yoons/ MOT will make the council elections a proxy indyref. It is not.

The elections are about the administration of local services. The removal in particular of Labour councils which are suspected of corruption by many people. The election of councils who by virtue of being of the same party as the government and the majority of our MP’s, will offer joined up action devoid of party point scoring.

The recent failure of Ruthie’s eejits to get the best deal for her higher tax paying pals – the planned uprating by inflation of the 40% band – shows how her no surrender intransigence is counterproductive. There is no way Annabel Goldie would have been that stupid. Indeed how she wriggled out of that Pyrric shambols escapes me. Its lucky the MOT loves her.

Local Elections- a leaflet from the septugenarian candidate has a whole section from a Ruth Davidson who apparantly is a MSP. I quote Ms Davidson “… the council elections… will be an important opportunity to tell the SNP – we voted No…..2

Nope, nothing about a more recent referendum nicknamed “brexit” where over 60% of Scotland voted to remain in the EU.

Maybe candidates should remind th constituents that the tory brexit fixation will cost jobs.

With April fools day coming up can we tell the Mail or Express via our pal Rock we will allow 14 and overs to vote, other EU citizens and exclude under 65’s.
Watch them froth.

Ruth gives me the fucking boak..
Hypocritical, aggressive, the perfect leader for the Tories.

Scottish Conservative Brexit fringe now discussing if the UK Government could repeal the Scotland Act and abolish Holyrood.

link to twitter.com

Tories eh?

No policies except SNP baad and lies. She is obsessed with Nicola.

She slipped in that the SNP tax business more highly than anywhere else. This a lie!

The Tories are terrified to spell out their true policies because Scotland hates the Tories. Take education and health and compare it with what is happening in England.

How do you get a job as a Tory Wrangler? Quite fancy giving it a go.

If some old biddy wants to sit at the back, she gets lassoed, wrestled to the ground, held firm by several horsemen while she gets her horns cut off, and is then made to sit at the front again.

Waste of Human Resources when you think of it. I’m sure one of those Tory Landowners could bring a couple of sheepdogs and a shepherd or two from the Estate to keep those wandering Unionists in the camera shot. Coom bye Shep! Haway lad! Whistle! Whistle! That and big stick, like what Theresa May was waving yesterday.

Something missing from this list…can’t quite place it!
link to en.m.wikipedia.org

Cracking Toon Chris.
I don’t know what to say regarding “Mayday”.
My political awareness goes back to “honest?” Ted Heath’s day, where my grannie would shout at the telly every time his “Honest?” face would come on.
Then we had FU%KING THATCHER,( remember folks the 8th of April is the day to have a ceremonial jig) if anyone could divide, not just a country but a whole society in general it was “that.”

May is being played like a one string banjo, she’s out of her depth and totally clueless along with the rest of her party.(wiff waff Johnson lurking in the shadows.)
I heard the Fluffmeister on the wireless the other day, talking about new powers coming to Scotchland, obviously when pushed it was the sound of bolts being dropped into an empty whisky still “Claaanngggggg”, expect our “New Powers” to be nothing more than having control over the size of bolts holding our road signs, “if we are lucky”.
Bitter together! Aye I will be if its “No” again.

“…as ‘only trying to get the best deal for the UK’. Theresa uses this phrase repeatedly…”

And thinks it is in HER GIFT to deliver it.

Hate to break to ya, Treeza-doll. Just like the pig-fancier before you, the EU 27 will decide what concessions they will give (or not) to the UK. NOT YOU!

And we all know how swimmingly well it all went last time, don’t we…

“Have you seen the photo of May and Ruth in the National WGD. page 18?”

Wouldn’t surprise me–they’re a treacherous lot. tRuthless just hasn’t realised yet how she’s being played by London.

Andy Murray retains his title “British” by winning the Dubai Open:
link to bbc.co.uk

Meanwhile approx 250,000 march in London against the state of the NHS in England and Wales. The3resa May was just telling Nicola yesterday…
link to bbc.co.uk

@Heedtracker Thanks for that link to the police investigation the Tory election fraud. So can’t wait to see if our Devon and Cornwall Police Commisioner is on it. Please let it be!

Bit annoyed to see the long list may get reduced down to one or two. Just enough to keep a Tory majority. Hmm, quelle surprise!

As for the Tory conference saw several folk either asleep or nodding off. Must have been stirring stuff.

Here’s that link again to let folk know how this government will win at any cost.

link to politicshome.com

@Meindevon

There are a load of links you might have missed on the previous thread from 9am.

link to wingsoverscotland.com

Robert Kerr..
@louis.b.argyll, 3.44

Have you seen the photo of May and Ruth in the National WGD. page 18?

LOL..WHAT THE…?
I work in stage-related industries..but have never seen an inverted drag act exiting stage left like that..
..while another act mimes pulling a rope out of someone’s backside..the rule is..never turn your back on the audience..but then, there wasn’t much of am audience anyway..

May’s speech really was a PR disaster. There was not even an attempt to reach out to a wider Scottish audience or address any Scottish sensibilities on the all important European issue. At the very least, she could have acknowledged some differences of opinion on the matter and that she was currently engaged in a dialogue with the Scottish Government concerning this. Her hectoring delivery just sounds so weird and false to a modern audience much more attuned to communication between equals. I abhor Tony Blair with a passion, but i’ll say one thing about him, he would have presented the UK’s case in a much more human and persuasive manner than Maggie May.

I also think May is way out of her depth after landing the PM role without any sort of mandate. Both Gove and Johnson were smart enough to know that being Brexit PM was a complete poisoned chalice( and probably conspired with each other to foul up their respective campaigns), hoping to pick up the pieces after May burns and crashes, as she surely will.

It appears to me that May will now find herself fighting on three fronts simultaneously. A reinvigorated Sinn Fein in Northern Ireland raising the possibility of a sooner than expected border poll on reunification, a renewed independence drive in Scotland, and an intransigent Brussels. As a Welsh nationalist, I would obviously like to see Wales joining this Anti-May front at this particular juncture, but here’s hoping that we can join up as events unfold!

I believe that a number of historical factors are now converging to challenge and eventually destroy Greater England’s age old pretensions.They say that History is a cruel judge, and their fall from grace will be a spectacular one indeed.

@Capella

Being ill-informed is the natural state of affairs in this disunited country for the vast majority. The people visiting Wings are no longer ill-informed and slowly we and other Independence supporting websites are getting the message out.

I don’t read all of Nana’s links everyday but I read most of them, I hope the majority here do as knowledge is the only weapon that will help us win our Independence by reducing ignorance.

That was very good from Andrew Neil on Daily Politics, credit where it’s due. He even contradicted effectively his two incredibly biased guests.

He must read Wings.

Robert J Somynne talks about the tory conference

Click here for the video
link to twitter.com

@Thepnr & Capella

Links are a bit like woolies pick ‘n’ mix [those were the days] choose what you want to read if you have the time.

Capella you gave me a chuckle at 7.25pm. All I can say is poor Derek!

Thepnr:

From now on YOU! will read ALL! of Nana’s links or we send the boys round, we may be a Small Axe but we are many!

link to youtube.com
🙂

Peace Always

FFS enough.. had enough of this pish..

link to twitter.com

@Croompenstein

You would think these ‘reporters’ would have something better to do like perhaps tell the population who the paedophiles in Westminster are, because they do know.

and so many other dirty little secrets

link to twitter.com

From conservative home, feel dirty now I’ve been there

Why May will give battle to Sturgeon… after Brexit
link to archive.is

Here’s that terribly nice chap Clegg urging us to support the Libdems, the ‘only voice’ in ‘the country’ in standing up against hard Brexit. We’re still in the Union aren’t we, or did I miss something. Guess our 56 MP’s don’t count.

link to facebook.com;

@Croompenstein

Warning this may raise your BP, the know all Carole Malone

link to twitter.com

Hamish100,

“With April fools day coming up can we tell the Mail or Express via our pal Rock we will allow 14 and overs to vote, other EU citizens and exclude under 65’s.”

Hamish100,

“I have asked you before if you prefer the Mail, Express etc. Never got a response.”

Rock,

“Stop being like Nick Robinson of the BBC.

I had given you a response (The centrifuge):

Hamish100,

“I asked you before — do you by the Mail, Express, Record?”

Rock,

“No, none.”

Mundell on the daily politics going mad. But did you notice the large billboards behind him saying “Brexit – how do we do it?”

F*ck knows – seems to be the Tory answer. Anyway don’t ask Scotland. We don’t want to do it. Sort out your own mess, little Britain.

@Smallaxe

“A-Oi” I got the message, will now read all of Nana’s links 🙂

@Hermodr

To try and help your case here is a link to a comparison between Scotland and the UK for both adults and children considered to be living in poverty.

Unfortunately it only goes back as far as 2007 but the graphs clearly show that between then and now Scotland has done better than the UK at mitigating poverty.

The real issue though is that the SNP have never been in power in the UK and are very limited in what they can do in terms of the budget both Tory and labour governments have handed them.

Keep trying to persuade your parents, they’ll get there too if given enough information. You need to wean them off state propaganda, I’d suggest you should try and get them to sit down with you one night to watch London Calling about the BBC.

If they can stand watching it through to the end then it will have served it’s purpose. It’s online and available in DVD for £2 for 1 of a £5 for five inc. of postage. Buy five they won’t be wasted. Further link after the first. Good luck and never give up 🙂

link to gov.scot

link to ayemail.scot

Hermodr,

The key thing is that it is the London tory government that controls all the economic levers.

They decide how much money we get (less each year), they decide on tax (the partial powers that have only come this year are of very little help) and benefits.

This is what has increased poverty. The Scottish government can only seek to alleviate the worst of this from their limited budget. They have now prevented the widespread misery and poverty caused by the bedroom tax in the rUK.

They have maintained and increased health spending, we do not have “4 out of 5 hospitals unsafe” by spending more per person on healthcare than down south despite the fact that the money given to us is based on the same per capita funding.

They supply free care services to all who need it which is almost unavailable down south.

The real point is that as long as Westminster holds the purse strings it is a matter of whether Labour or Tory are best at Westminster because they run the economy and set the main budgets.

When it comes directly to matters of the Scottish Parliament. Well, Labour at Holyrood sent money back to Westminster as they had nothing to spend it on, whilst running up massive PFI debts on building hospitals and schools (of the collapsing variety), they built no Forth bridge despite it having been recommended decades earlier, they made no attempt to dual the A9, nope there was nothing they could think of spending it on.

So yes, they are probably right and wrong! I guess you have a big job on but probably the starting point is who has what powers.

The best shortcut is to find something that they have an interest in and show that they have been lied to.

Keep asking for specific info I’m sure someone will provide it with links.

This is what everybody needs to do, not discuss which ‘groups’ need targeting but to work slowly on someone that we know.

Cooncil Elections Voting Strategy

Rev. What is the voting strategy to maximise the number of SNP councillors…..
Should we give rankings to SNP candidates only?

Greetings and Salutations….There is one definate advantage advantage to retirement….you can if you so wish watch 3 National news programmes a day. Now here is a worrying point:
At 1300 the BBC news gave TM 3rd spot billing in it’s news schedule..(majority of Englandshire being at work still…Fast forward to the 6pm BBC news (majority barring rail problems of Englandshire back home) By a miracle of modern science and electronics….the TM belittling the SNP has suddenly moved to Numero Uno spot. Closely hugged by the Tory Leader in Scotland she proceeded to attempt to belittle and demean the SNP. In contrast the ITV news had the same event almost next to last on it’s schedule…It sticks in the throat that I/we have to pay a Fee for the honour of watching this unashamedly bias TV channel…I for one will be switching to Jackanory News from now on..

Imagine living in a country where you produce 96% of all its oil resources and 60% of the total gas supply, and export over 30% of generated electricity for the privelige of which we are charged. Even though English lights would go out without this surplus, we are still charged for the honour of giving it to them.

Who else would accept this?

“Politics is not a game.” – Theresa May

I think this is probably the one and only statement ever made by Mayhem that I can acually agree with. Politics absolutely is NOT a game. At least, it SHOULDN’T be. Because ultimately politics is about peoples’ lives. Politics affects us all in one way or another.

But Mayhem, in making her little soundbite in an attempt to besmirch the SNP Government, reveals her total lack of understanding of what politics is really about. Mayhem simply does not ‘get it’ because she is probably too used to getting her very own way in Westminster.

Because politics, as most of us here on WoS would likely agree, is about something Mayhem will never grasp–it is about COMPROMISE.

As the chaotic aftermath of the BREXIT result in June of last year became clear, the Scottish government has spent a lot of time and energy trying to find a middle ground solution that would satisfy most Scottish voters–those who voted by 55% to 45% to stay part of the UK and also those who voted by 62% to 28% to remain part of the EU. Not an easy task by any means.

After months of intense consultation, in December 2016, the Scottish government submitted its compromise ‘Two Union’ proposal to the Westminster government–a proposal that would keep Scotland in the EU and ALSO in the UK. A very detailed COMPROMISE proposal.

For all its rhetoric about ‘listening’ to the devolved adminsitrations views on Brexit, Mayhem’s government simply cocked a two-fingered salute to the SG compromise proposal. There would be NO compromise as far as Westminster was concerned. Brexit will be a hard-Brexit– end of. No compromise. Nothing.

So we must ask ourselves. Who is it here that is playing political games? Who is it here that is trying to satisfy the political desires of most of the population of Scotland and who is it that is trying to keep that population divided?

Mrs May–YOU are the ne here playing political games and, it has to be said, a very dangerous game at that. And you know what?

You are one seriously lousy player. Just don’t say we didn’t tell you.

Ian B,

Hi there, hope you’re not studying too hard (still waiting for the next novel!).

I’ve just been lurking a lot lately. Partly hand problems, partly or mainly laziness.

@ Nana.
Thanks for directing me to those links. Ashamed to say I missed them this morning, very unusual for me. (Had an early appt with some workmen at the house).

Anyway, glad you did that as I’ve just sent the one about the EU restricting US travel visas to friends in the USA that were planning a visit soon. Also sent the one about the falling pound to other half working out there at the moment.

You’re a star! *

Thank you everyone for the posts. 🙂

It’s weird: I basically discuss and debate things for a living, and have always been hugely interested in global politics, but I always find myself quite slow to react when discussing the state of things in Scotland. Like, for example: I know that the Scottish government gets a block grant from Westminster, so for me it’s very obvious how limited the SG is. However, and I’ve had this before, anytime you try to argue this, the BritNat will just say “Yeah, yeah, blame Westminster, nothing’s the SNP’s fault blah blah blah” – it’s like, well, I don’t blame Westminster for absolutely everything, but in this case? Come on! There’s a very obvious connection there.

A lot of people will just not see it.

And also, I find it amazing anyway when people try to blame the SNP for things like poverty. You can absolutely criticise their policies, but poverty is brought about through generations, not a few years.

Anyway, I wouldn’t rule out Labour totally imploding before the next referendum, so maybe that’ll do my job for me. Wonder if any of the MSPs will switch over.

Meindevon,

I hope the other half’s being paid in dollars!
Mind, they’ve been a bit bouncy recently as well.

@Hermodr

But can anyone give any thoughts or recollections about why Scotland switched from Labour to SNP?

I guess I didn’t read your post correctly first time around and posted statistics you probably weren’t looking for but I can answer your question specifically for my case only and I suspect many others too.

Labour were the supposed party of the working man/woman and the disadvantaged yet…

Labour introduced the Bedroom Tax

Labour introduced Work Capability Assessment (Think ATOS)

Labour introduced Tuition fees for higher education

Labour replaced maintenance grants with repayable student loans

Labour became unelectable as their policies clearly worked against the working man and the disadvantaged, not for them.

So a simple choice to switch to the SNP for many including myself.

I can Hermodr it started way back during the internal Labour party debate over the Scottish parliament,we worked close with the SNP in getting it back only for the PLP to deny us any power,steal Scottish territorial waters in the North Sea and rig the parliament electoral system to make it near impossible to remove a useless politician Murdo Fraser is a prime example,Anas Sarwar another we just sacked his butt in 2015 and get the idiot back in 2016.

Enough was enough lol we even gave the SNP a surprise in 2015 their faces were priceless when the old swingometer was going haywire and the party membership was exploding 🙂

No Meg merrilees, we couldnae @ 11.16.