The Days Of No Good Choices
There are now just 10 days until the general election. Wings has never told its readers how to vote and we’re not going to start now. Which is lucky, because if we were, we wouldn’t have a clue how to.
Just, y’know, not for any of these wretched, worthless shiters.
Because beyond any shadow of a doubt, if you have the slightest interest in ever achieving Scottish independence, the worst thing you could possibly do at this election is vote for anyone in the SNP.
That much is a given, and if you’re reading this website you’re not going to need any further explanation. To vote for the SNP this year is to vote to delay any advancement of the indy cause for at least another decade.
But as for the best WAY to not vote for the SNP, that’s a much trickier pickle for which we have no easy answers. There are a few options, but none of them are very great, so let’s have a quick walk through the pros and cons of each.
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VOTING FOR UNIONISTS
This is, for obvious reasons, the least palatable option for indy fans, but also by far the most effective way to get rid of the SNP, which is the prerequisite for any progress towards independence. As such it’s a long-term strategy with multiple short- and medium-term downsides – you’ll almost certainly have an imbecile for an MP for the next five years, for a start. (But probably no change there.)
Scottish Labour in particular have tried their damnedest to make voting for them completely impossible for independence supporters, and there is no force on Earth which could ever make this site suggest to anyone that they should consider voting for Blair McDougall under any circumstances whatever.
But in other seats the best-placed challenger may be relatively bearable, or at least no worse than whichever awful SNP dolt is currently in place. If you’re unlucky enough to live in East Renfrewshire, maybe best just to move house.
[EDIT: Colette Walker of the ISP is standing in East Ren. She’s good people.]
The media will of course celebrate a defeat for the SNP as a defeat for independence, but caring what the Daily Record says is a really terrible reason for doing anything. Roughly 50% of Scots still want independence and aren’t going to change their minds, so there’ll remain fertile territory for a political party to cultivate. Nature abhors a vacuum, and politics doubly so.
If you can’t bring yourself to vote for Unionists no matter what, we understand and empathise entirely, but THIS ELECTION IS NOT ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION – that ship sailed long ago – and it might be helpful to remember that.
SPOILING YOUR VOTE/STAYING AT HOME
A section of the Yes movement is loudly advocating “repurposing” your vote by writing “END THE UNION” or somesuch slogan across it. That isn’t repurposing anything, of course, it’s just old-fashioned vote-spoiling, and while people always talk about the potential impact of a mass spoiling campaign it never happens.
You’d need about a third of the vote to be spoiled papers for anyone to take the slightest bit of notice, and that just ain’t happening. (For reference, the percentage of spoiled papers in the 2019 election was 0.36%, which is a hundredth of that figure.)
However, you’re at least not doing any direct HARM by spoiling your paper and it’s mildly cathartic – the marks on spoiled papers are read out to the candidates, and it may be your only hope of having your MP hear your voice even momentarily for the next half-decade – so have fun if you feel like it.
The difference between spoiling your vote and simply not bothering to go out at all is of interest to politics stat nerds, but nobody else, because nobody attempts to ascertain which spoiled votes are making a pointed statement about the inadequacies of the candidates and which are just some moron who can’t even put an X in a box with a pencil without messing it up.
VOTING FOR MINORITY CANDIDATES
Not everyone in Scotland will have a candidate from Alba/the ISP/independents that they could vote for, but a fair few will. If smaller parties want to become bigger parties, at some point people have to start voting for them even in the knowledge that in the short term it’ll be a “wasted” vote.
If the Alba vote, say, were to rise to 5% in this election, they’d obviously get no seats but it’d be a signifier that the party had momentum and was reaching the sort of level where it’d be expecting to pick some up at the next Holyrood election, which would in turn start to increase their media presence and public awareness.
The drawback is that giving your vote to a party with, realistically, no chance of winning the seat – rather than to the candidate best placed to remove/defeat the SNP – risks letting the SNP squeeze through the middle, and every SNP MP that slithers back to Westminster with their gravy bucket drags out the party’s necessary death for longer.
It’s not entirely unprecedented for candidates elected for one party to retain enough of a personal vote to keep the seat for another party or as an independent, so readers might well feel it was worth trying to keep the likes of Neale Hanvey, Kenny MacAskill and Angus MacNeil – all contributors to the website you’re reading now – in their jobs, and we certainly wouldn’t argue with that.
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So that’s it. For what it’s worth, I’ll probably be spoiling again. Only one leaflet has come through my letterbox in Bath (from the impossibly dreadful Lib Dem incumbent Wera Hobhouse), nobody has knocked on the door, I haven’t seen a street stall for any party and I can’t find a single hustings where I can ask the candidates any questions, so my thoughts of possibly voting for someone to get Hobhouse out look kaput.
(It’s tempting to stay at home and contribute to what may be a very low turnout figure, but as noted above that’s a distinction without a meaningful difference, and the impulse to indicate democratic willing by at least showing up to the polling station to let them know they’re all scumbags is a strong one.)
But for Wings readers in Scotland the dilemma is much harder still, and we appreciate that. We wish we could offer you a genuine constructive strategy. But realistically the only useful thing this election can achieve is destruction, because you need to bulldoze useless unsaveable ruins before you can build something new.
Your vote, as always, is between you and your conscience, and only you can decide whether you want to contribute to the solution or merely to swerve any personal responsibility for what happens.
But after the catastrophic reign of Nicola Sturgeon there are no shortcuts. Voting SNP “because they’re the independence party” is like cancelling a dental appointment for a root canal. You’re still going to have to deal with it at some point, and you’re just letting more decay and pain take hold in the meantime.
Everybody knows Labour have already won the election by a landslide, perhaps by more than 300 seats. You may consider there to be some value in having a Labour MP who at least has the ear of the government, but the idea of Scottish MPs of any party having any meaningful collective influence is a fantasy.
Keir Starmer’s majority will be several times larger than Scotland’s total representation, and therefore Scotland, as a country, will have no voice in the next Parliament whether it sends 57 Labour MPs, 57 SNP MPs or 57 sacks of birdseed. There is absolutely nothing you can do about that.
(Don’t take our word for it, ask this useless fannybaws.)
In so far as we have any advice at all, then, it’s to use your vote to wreak as much destruction as you can, to shed the dead weight around our ankles and clear the launchpad for next time so that we can in future once more begin to dream of slipping the surly bonds of the Union.
ALF BAIRD
from Tennant’s WIKI.
His father was a minister who served as the Moderator of the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland.He grew up with his brother Blair and sister Karen in Ralston, where his father was the local minister.Two of his maternal great-grandparents, William and Agnes Blair, were Northern Irish Protestants from County Londonderry who were among the signatories of the Ulster Covenant in 1912; William was also a member of the Orange Order. Tennant’s maternal grandfather, footballer Archie McLeod, met William and Agnes’ daughter Nellie while playing for Derry City FC. McLeod was descended from tenant farmers from the Isle of Mull.
Tennant has suffered from anxiety since childhood.
It was his fate to be sanctimonious.
Meanwhile the G-r-eat S-ata–n (AFRICOM) denies its trying to set an an illegal military base In Zambia.
“Zambian MPs demanded accountability from the government in dealing with regional disputes, warning that hosting AFRICOM forces could strain relations with neighbours.
The protests followed concerns expressed by Zimbabwean President Emmerson Mnangagwa earlier this month that the US was attempting to “militarize” Zambia in an attempt to project power in the region and isolate neighboring Zimbabwe.”
The US military presence in Zambia has long faced opposition, particularly since Washington announced the launch of AFRICOM’s Office of Security Cooperation at the US Embassy in the capital, Lusaka. The African nation’s authorities and Pentagon officials have insisted that the center’s sole purpose is to train national troops for UN missions.”
The G-re-at S-at–an is currently losing it grip in many African nations including Chad and Niger.
What the foreign country of England’s military plane was doing flying over Scotland’s largest cities is unknown, we are at the mercy of the English MoD.
I saw this foreign military plane and wondered if it was flying out to English overseas military base at Akrotiri in Cyprus to then fly supplies to the Zzio-Mon-sters to continue their g-en–ocide in G–az-z–a.
“A huge Royal Air force plane was spotted soaring over Scots cities.
The massive long-haul military aircraft could be seen for miles, as it took part in “essential routine training” exercise on Friday night over Glasgow and Edinburgh.
Plane spotters caught a glimpse of the movements of the Globemaster C-17 as it flew overhead in clear skies.”
The foreign country of England’s military forces infested Freedom Square today in Glasgow with a plethora of Butchers Aprons on display.
The figurehead for Tammany Hall aka Glasgow City Council Lord Provost Jacqueline McLaren was joined by a few high heid yins fay the English military in the jackboot parade.
Nope. You’re just a twat, mate.
@RoS 4.05: quite possibly but I’ve seen Globemasters flying into Prestwick airport a good few times (as on March 18 this year) and wondered if there were any extraordinary rendition flights going on. I couldn’t see any clear insignia on them (unlike normal RAF aircraft) and they looked rather sinister.
Unfortunately neither our skies nor our borders are our own.
Airstrip One or Trident Park? Take your pick.
No surprise here then, the west is a backer of Knne-o Kna-ttzz–is, which is disgusting.
Stanford Uni, is a spy school, where the specialty is in recruiting foreign spies, who are then sent back home to spy for the G-re-at Sa-ta-n.
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Stanford_University
“Stanford University’s Mapping Militants Project (MMP), a U.S. government-funded initiative that conducts research on “violent militant or extremist organizations,” quietly removed their profile on the A–z-ov Battalion early last month. The A-z-z-ov Battalion (now known as the 12th Special Purpose Brigade “Az-o-v”) is a U National Guard unit infamous for its use of Kn-ne-o-Kna-ttazi insignia, recruitment of far-right foreign fighters, and alleged war crimes. The Stanford MMP’s mysterious removal of its A-z-ov profile was followed about a month later by the U.S. State Department lifting its ban on military assistance to the unit, raising questions about the motives behind removal of the webpage.”
I can’t link to the story due to ban words go to The Grayzone dot com to find the story.
Tinto Chiel.
There was an “investigation” into renditioned flights that stopped of in Scotland but the findings were unsurprisingly inconclusive.
“The use of Prestwick, Glasgow and Edinburgh as a stop-off on journeys often linking the US and Middle East had previously been identified.
But the latest research suggested that five flights landed at Wick, a further five at Inverness and three at Aberdeen.
The north and north east links were not previously considered “suspicious” by the team, but were highlighted for further investigation after details of flight paths emerged.
One aircraft which landed at Wick in 2004 had been “logged flying to secret prison and torture destinations”, the researchers said.
It cannot be established if the planes had prisoners on board, only that aircraft were linked to rendition flights in the past.”
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TURABDIN @ 3:47 pm
“It was his fate to be sanctimonious”
Yes, pretty much as behavioural determinism confirms. As he “no longer considered himself to be Scottish” we can at least acknowledge that assimilation was successful; i.e. he thinks he has become something else.
Postcolonial theory suggests we may extrapolate a similar outcome for most of a colonized native bourgeoisie; which helps us understand why a colonized people ‘crave dependence’ and oppose their own liberation.
https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2024/03/03/the-colonial-mindset/
@RoS: “investigation”? Gotcha 😉 .
These aircraft are enormous and are seen quite often in the Prestwick area but their contents are a mystery. I can’t imagine that they are up to any good, given the nature of the governments in the USA/UK and I-Land.
Never mind, at least Assange escaped their clutches, for now. I’m not convinced he’s safe, even in Australia, though.
@Republicofscotland
The world’s slowest and least effective Jenny Side. Ever.
The world’s least eligible neo nasties. Ever. Unless fighting for your own nation, culture and people is evidence of neo nastiness.
The world’s only hysterical defender of Scotland who consistently can’t even spell “Scotland”.
Only on Wings BTL, folks.
Read it, marvel and weep for (checks spelling), Scotland.
James Che: I think I answered you when I meant to answer Hatuey The both sides nonsense falls at the first hurdle when you look at the crimes against females and the ways in which they are ill-treated right across the globe. Females are ill-treated precisely for being female. No other reason need be applied.
Being female is the baseline. Yes, men do suffer injustices, too, but they do not suffer them BECAUSE they are MEN. They suffer them for a variety of reasons. All the ill-treatments I listed are suffered by females BECAUSE they are FEMALES. That distinction has to be made if we are ever to real,im the moral high ground.
‘Trans women’ are men and, as men, they are as much capable of harming females as any other man. This is the very heart of the matter and why, castrated or otherwise, they remain a threat to females. Every instinct tells females that any man can be a threat (even if individual men are not a threat by a majority, in everyday life, wars being very different) and those instincts are called self-preservation and have been honed by Nature to help to protect females.
Chimpanzee females (our nearest primate relatives) show precisely the same instinctive fear of strange males, and they, too, are often bullied and beaten by male chimps they do know. In nature, female chimps can band together and drive out a psychotic male who oversteps the mark. The other males seldom do, if ever.
Female chimps are very often the ones who introduce new techniques to the group, too. Females of all species are not inferior males, but the complementary sex. Unfortunately, many, many males believe that females are, indeed, inferior males in strength, intellect and morality. By the way, most of the TRAs who intimidate women at meetings are male, not female. Which is why they hide their faces. They are weak cowards who would never dream of trying to intimidate men in this way.
@Hatuey 1:23
With the end of Scottish Independence as we have known it for the past decade now less than a week away, it’s hard for me to raise the enthusiasm to engage with fuckwits.
But WTF. Why don’t you spell out the tangible advantages to Scotland, Indy and us Scots, of Uncle Vlad’s annexation of a good-sized chunk of Eastern Europe?
Take pity on us deluded under achievers and share your pearls of wisdom.
Assume we all share your conviction they have it coming, and explain the benefit to us all of the half-dozen or so independent countries Uncle Vlad needs to cement his neo-tsarist legacy actually getting what they have coming.
Shouldn’t take you long, so crack on.
“Never mind, at least Assange escaped their clutches, for now. I’m not convinced he’s safe, even in Australia, though.”
Tinto Chiel.
No I don’t think Assange will be safe in a (US) aligned country, politicians such as Penny Wong and Richard Marles would sell out Assange in the blink of an eye. There was a CIA plan to assassinate Assange whilst he was trapped in the Ecuadorian embassy in London.
Yes Albanese played a small part in asking for Assange to be freed, but Australia is the tip of the (USA’s) spear in the economic war against China. Australia now can’t put a comprehensive military force together without the aid of (US) forces, AUKUS further compromises Australia, both economically and militarily, and damages its relations with those nations that don’t comply with (US) interests in the region.
The (US) has multiple spying bases (listening posts) such as in Pine Gap in Australia.
If Maduro is not illegally ousted in Venezuela’s elections then Venezuela might be a good place for him and his family to live Venezuela isn’t aligned with the (US).
Australian Federal Elections will be held next year before the end of September, if an even more rabid pro-US PM comes to office it could spell danger for Assange if he’s still living in Australia.
Re JK Rowling.
Yes, she was anti-independence in 2014 and gave money to the opposition. You could argue it probably wasn’t the deciding factor in the referendum.
She is now one of the very few, high profile celebrities taking an unequivocal stance against one of the very things that has poisoned the SNP, divided the previously unified Yes movement, and led to so many pro-independence supporters wanting to see the SNP completely demolished.
Would she have been subjected to the same level of opprobrium if she had donated to and openly supported independence instead?
Hatey McHateface @ 7:51 pm
“Why don’t you spell out the tangible advantages to Scotland, Indy and us Scots, of Uncle Vlad’s annexation of a good-sized chunk of Eastern Europe?”
Most folks here are rightly more concerned about the longstanding annexation and exploitation of our own country.
Independence is bigger than JK Rowling. It’s bigger than the SNP. It’s bigger than the crazy gender ID politics.
Rowling is no friend of Scotland or independence. She might be on the right side of the Gender debate. But she is at polar opposites on everything else I believe in.
She is a rich English unionist, settled in Scotland and trying to stop Scots from asserting their right to be a nation.
She will never be on the same side as me.
Tinto Chiel
They’re used to transport suspects for torture or to move weapons & personnel. They use Scotland (& Ireland) to circumvent international law & our poxy government allows it.
It’s all dodgy. Check out the highly suspicious death of investigative journalist Annie Borjesson who was about to blow the lid before she was washed up dead on Scottish beach, how her family was fobbed off with inconsistencies & Police Scotland shut it down. “Dark curiosities” on YouTube channel has her story & the dodgy Police Scotland investigation.
Knowing what we now know I can’t help but suspect her bank account was frozen as she was last seen on CCTV at Prestwick trying three times to withdraw cash as she was trying to return home.
It’s absolutely disgusting the shit the yanks do in every other feckers country with absolutely zero accountability or consequences.
Hatey, my child, nobody said they had it coming.
I said the whole idea — to turn a country on that border into a client of the US — was stupid and I predicted that it would fail. It has failed.
For what it’s worth, if I lived there I would probably rather be in the orbit of the west but given the state of the west these days it’s a pretty close call.
They could have had the best of all worlds, though, without half a million dead, vast areas of land annexed, a million years of debt, and God knows what state their land will be left in.
All of the trouble started with the US-sponsored neo-nazi coup.
How stupid they were to think they’d get away with that, as if the US would let anyone do anything like that on its border, install a government hostile to Americans and sit watching as they were armed to the teeth.
Hopefully you and all the other idiots who cheered for this will learn from the experience.
Note my tone that implies the whole murky affair is over, i.e. past tense… It is over. The west’s leadership team has bottled it, as I knew they would once the kopeck dropped.
The whole escapade was a foregone conclusion, doomed to fail. Vlad’s economy is stronger, his military stronger, and his standing in the world enhanced (outside of the western propaganda bubble).
And please spare us the World War II “appeasement’ bullshit (rolled out every single time someone stands up to wankers in London and Washington) — it’s embarrassing, almost as embarrassing as the “they’re eating babies” type crap you fell for last year.
Apart from all that, how’s things?
Identity politics might seem crazy, but it’s also been successfully used to severely damage what was a unified momentum towards Scottish independence.
JK Rowling might not be on my side re independence, but she might be considered as ‘my enemy’s enemy is my friend’.
At least that’s more than any of our politician are.
Weird that JK Rawling is being discussed in such negative terms on this forum all of a sudden.
Maybe it would be preferred that women in Scotland don’t get any help and they can get the punishment that they so richly deserve.
Thank you I’ll take JK Rawling ten times over before any single Scottish politician.
Women in Scotland who have been raped don’t want to be counselled by a male pervert and JK Rawling has ensured they don’t have to by opening up an Women only rape crisis centre.
JK Rowling kept us chained to our English imperial masters & with that comes Yank directives & yank foreign policy.
Both shit current events.
Do you think Scotland would have allowed this gender pish in the first place if we’d became independent? Or allowed whackadoos trawling our waters?
She voted for it. She can live with it. She urged everyone to give the English one last chance – aye, how’s that worked out for us? Do you think she gives a feck? I don’t. I suspect she’s trying to stay relevant.
She’s no interest in the underdog. Plenty millions spent on BT. She gave them another million to keep us locked in. Now we may never get the fck out.
“Women in Scotland who have been raped don’t want to be counselled by a male pervert and JK Rawling has ensured they don’t have to by opening up an Women only rape crisis centre.”
A situation that would have been avoided completely if we’d became independent with our own parliament, our own constitution & our own parliament oaths (under pain of death to any fcker abusing their position like the SNP did implementing a foreign country’s directive) that would’ve punted that pish into orbit along with the Equality Act 2004. Wed have had our own.
Scotland is against this nonsense. It’d never have been introduced in the first place. She directly involved herself in Scotlands independence referendum. Now complains Scotland has followed orders from their handlers.
This campaign has been the dreariest, yet most sinister, that I have ever experienced in my 60 years of taking notice of elections.
But today a new low has been reached – I couldn’t believe that was John Swinney trying to look cool in black tshirt and trews, posing in a yellow sports car. How cringingly embarrassing is that?
Who on earth thought that this was a good idea? Surely it won’t win any votes? More likely to lose them, I would have thought.
Jk Rowling:” don’t leave the UK , lead the UK” 2014.
Some people fell for that utter codswallop. Any 8 year old with a calculator and a working knowledge of UK history. Could tell you what an outright lie that was.
Camerons first act was to talk about English votes for English laws. Ironically due to the numbers. It has been English votes for the whole of the UK, since it was established.
Scotland could never lead in the UK. We are less than 10%. Yet we have 90% of the natural resources. The small country is always exploited by the big one.
JK lied in 2014. I am not interested in anything a coloniser has to say.
Aye yer right Geri naebody would have been raped in an Independent Scotland.
There wouldn’t have been a TRA male councillor placed anywhere near a woman’s shelter.
Don’t try get smart.
Whatever you say Geri
Night Night!
Big Jock
Aye and for all we know she could still be lying.
An active campaigner against the SNPs gender reforms that sunk the independence movement. Knowing fine well this was introduced by WM appointed Leslie Evans & the Labour party.
Lest we forget her stance on *I* another shower of colonising barstewards lol. Ppl don’t “build bridges” with invaders who wish for them eradicated. Mealy mouthed words.
The gender nonsense served two purposes for her. It killed indy & it kept her relevant a wee while longer.
Ruby, when you first appeared BTL in WOS a few years ago, you presented yourself as someone who was willing to learn.
That’s certainly changed! You now appear to want to cause disruption in the BTL comments. like by commenting on stuff you admit to knowing nothing about, picking fights with long-term BTL commenters and generally being disruptive.
Sort yourself out! It’s not our fault!
Sarah
I suspect that’s all those “young ppl” they seem to have surrounded themselves with. They come up with eejit ideas..lol
All those young ppl were the future they were fond of saying. LOL let’s see how that works out for them next week cause it certainly wouldn’t have helped their bank balance.
Even if we’d got our independence, we’d probably still be having a fight on our hands re the gender stuff. It’s been introduced into plenty of independent countries, and without the people knowing anything about it till the laws have been passed.
JK Rowling seems genuine in her support for women and children. It would’ve been so much easier for her to say nothing at all or just go along with the gender stuff, as so many of them do. I can’t see her as some kind of Machiavellian mastermind though (although I do wish she’d stayed out of the independence debate).
Moixx
The EU let the cat out the bag. It’s a direct instruction from America that the EU was instructed to adopt. That’s why every government has implemented it immediately with absolutely no question & against public opinion. That’s why there’d to be no debate.
Some EU countries are finally kicking back, while others have lost their seat in the recent EU parliament, or are flat out refusing to play along any longer. (Hungary for one).
We could’ve been one at least flat out refusing if we had our own parliament & a constitution that no parliamentarian can pass shit that’s against public opinion & is from a foreign country.
They don’t explain these things in text books or user guides. But it’s clear that the gender-woowoo stuff was hurriedly rolled out in the west after capitalism collapsed and died in 2008. The purpose is now obvious to everyone, distract and divide.
Those guys with the high heels in the women’s toilet are basically on a mission to save capitalism and the free world. People should probably have more respect or something.
Anyway, sorry to break it to you all like this but the so-called “free” market doesn’t really work. Banks are as important to capitalism as trees are to forests and they all died in 2008.
If we can stretch our imaginations and pretend capitalism is viable, maybe it’s not too great a leap to imagine that women can have peckers.
Something like that.
Eat your porridge and stfu.
@ Hatuey
Several excellent posts , H .
Coincidentally , just before reading yr last comment , above , I had read this by CJ.Hopkins ( always right on the money ) ….
https://cjhopkins.substack.com/p/thats-all-folks-redux?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=298057&post_id=146074378&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=hhrq5&tri
In the article he quotes this from the movie Network …..
“You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no #ussians. There are no Arabs. There are no third worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast, interwoven, interacting, multivariate, multinational dominion of dollars. Petro-dollars, electro-dollars, multi-dollars, reichmarks, rins, rubles, pounds, and shekels. It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic and subatomic and galactic structure of things today! […] Am I getting through to you, Mr. Beale? You get up on your little twenty-one inch screen and howl about America and democracy. There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and ITT and AT&T and DuPont, and Dow, Union Carbide, and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today.”
Democracy ? Aye , wouldn’t that be great . Wonder when it might occur .
All the points made in that quote would apply to an iScotland – unless we had the intelligence and TRULY Independent spirit to resist we’d just become another vassal state of Global Capitalism . Hence my antipathy to all the ( alleged ) Independence Parties ( not sure about ISP ) and related Punditry thoroughly wrong-headed rush to get us signed-up to every Globalist entity going if/when we (re)gain our autonomy .
Geri
Ignored says:
30 June, 2024 at 1:38 am
Some EU countries are finally kicking back, while others have lost their seat in the recent EU parliament, or are flat out refusing to play along any longer. (Hungary for one).
I think it’s more complicated.
The EU’s economic prosperity wasn’t the end, but the means to the end. The end was peace in Europe after two grievous world wars and centuries of turmoil. By and large, that’s been a great success and the reconciliation between sworn enemies has been a commendable phenomenon.
The “price” however, was the EU abdicated its defence to NATO, and essentially, NATO is America. Arguably, Europe got rich because it wasn’t spending on defence, the USA got rich because it was.
And for decades, that “kinda” worked, but with greater wealth came greater greed, and with the rampant greed of NeoLiberalism and Free Market piracy, caused the West in particular to lose focus on peace, and the US military needed to maintain the East as an enemy to keep defence budgets juicy, but increasingly, it’s needing actual wars to keep the money coming.
In the non-West, yes there was communism and ideological enemies, but it was clear that Communism was relatively unstable, and nowhere near as prosperous as Western capitalism. The ideology lost it’s grip, and in the 1990’s when it collapsed, the West should have normalised relations with Ru$$ia, and embraced her into the EU.
However, an EU with Ru$$ia as a member meant NATO would lose it’s bogey man, and worse still, the EU would be a global superpower which didn’t rely on the US for anything, so the US would also lose buyers for it’s output – weapons.
So, amongst a raft of bad ideas, a monumental strategic blunder happened in the 90’s, led by the US and, well, not Thatcher herself, but let’s include Thatcherism, which instead of helping Ru$$ia survive it’s breakup, instead resolved to exploit it and destroy Ru$$ia; keep it as “the enemy” but keep it weak and beatable.
So far, so good in terms of clarity.
However, there are two more, well three more actually, massive components to the puzzle; first, the consequences amongst Ru$$ian friends and allies being ostracised and kept out in the cold when they wanted to be friends. Next, China, a very complicated component, and third but not least, the bloodthirsty Zioni$m and the dirty politics of the ME.
The degenerate Western attitudes to vilify the Ru$$ians while trying to destroy them, and the murderously asymmetric double standards and attitudes to events in Pale$tine, and the emergence of an all consuming and insatiable NeoLiberal greed have sown a profoundly deep mistrust of all things Western.
The West expected the rest of the planet to wither its shadow unless due deference was paid to the US in all its might. You might be murderous land steal occupiers defying International Law, but if you allied yourself to Western capitalism the US would look after you. But if you happened to be a murderous land owning sovereign national who didn’t believe in Western Capitalism, the US would bomb the living shit out you and your children.
But the non-West didn’t wither in the shade. It grew strong, it grew powerful, and it began out-thinking Western collective leadership. And it wasn’t very difficult.
There’s a bit of an overlap, sure, but the Non-Western leaders have been far more adroit and enlightened in their strategic planning than the bloated and decadent West, and they are in the process of changing the paradigm of Western dominance and supremacy, and there is nothing the US can do about it except threaten nuclear annihilation.
The West is blustering, pressing all the buttons to demonise the enemies, agitating racism and nationalism as it always does when it feels threatened, but nothing is working. It’s sounding klaxons all along the Maginot Line, but the war has already been lost.
The West needs political Leaders of great acumen, but the systems are dysfunctional and instead of great leaders, they get pliable imbeciles like Boris Johnson, May, Trump, Biden, Van der Leyden etc, etc, etc.
Scotland gets it’s own imbeciles…Sturgeon’s Brexit and No-fly-zone, Gender bullshit and the “continuity Sturgeonism” which defies all reason and logic but stubbornly cannot be purged out the pipes when flushed.
Do you see it yet Scotland? Do you see how this ends if we don’t jump from this moving vehicle?
What’s Swinney gonna do? The same fk all he’s done for 30 years.
@ Breeks
Outstanding synopsis of where * we * are , and how * we * got there .
This is the Truth the gibbering clowns on here who think calling a People ” orcs ” , ” Hams ” etc , condoning the mass-murder of innocent women & children by psychopathic land-stealers and cheering-on endless , profit/power motivated bloodshed is some kind of ” show of strength ” . Rather that what it actually is ….the pathetic squeaks of mice-in-armchairs as their adored hegemon faces the consequences of it’s crazed hubris
Breeks 7.21am
“Outstanding synopsis” as Robert Hughes said.
Much to mull over on a flat Sunday morning.
Thank-you.
PS “pathetic squeaks of mice-in-armchairs” should be along any time now!
‘Bullying Brian’ at it again!
Nothing wrong with a bit of disruption in the BTL comments!
It can all get a bit SSDD!
I think there are a lot of folk commenting on stuff they know nothing about on here. Sure I am willing to learn but I’m quite choosy about who teaches me.
I have no intentions of sorting myself out or taking orders from you so you can save your breath.
Why don’t you report me to Stu like youse did last time alternatively you and all the long-term BTL snowflakes who think I a picking a fight with them could just ignore me.
Treat me like a troll.
When you say It’s not our fault!. Who & what do you mean?
PS I’ve been here since 2011 and what I’ve learned is you need too be pretty thick skinned to post here and not take all the abuse & bullying seriously. I’m used to all now. It’s all just water off a ducks arse now.
@Breeks 7.21 am
A strong start, but totally unravels in to tin foil hat conspiracy theorising and RoS level sophomoric Brigadoonery towards the end sadly. The fact that your hot take on the recent history is clapped by the nativist barking seals in hear simply proves the point: the worldview presented is attractive to only a small minority of voters on the political fringes, both left and right.
There was never any realistic prospect of Muscovy being invited in to the EU – or even NATO – because the regime there didn’t want to follow the example of it’s former protectorates in Eastern Europe. It still had (and has) pretensions of being a superpower. It wasn’t manipulated by the collective West, it’s governing elite (with the tacit support of most of its people) simply decided they didn’t want to follow the same path.
There’s an argument to be made that the west collectively could and should have tried harder to encourage democratisation in Muscovy post Yeltsin, but there was no way yhe west was going to impose it. Historically however, the lost opportunity to integrate Muscovy and help it transform in to a liberal democracy will be seen as a huge mistake, alongside the failure of the USA to support the League of Nations in 1918 and the failure of democracies to stop authoritarianism in the 1930’s.
I know you and others have the hots for this idea that a combination of the growing economic power of the BRICS nations and Uncle Vlad and Chairman Xi’s military power will somehow prevail, but it’s still very much a niche and minority view. Don’t be under any illusion that it has significant support in the world in general, however much it might resonate with the usual suspects in here.
Ruby’s one of the more entertaining posters on here. Smart, irreverent, and an independent thinker- my favourite kind of folk.
This place would be far less interesting without Ruby’s, often very witty, contributions.
@Geri 10.16: thanks for reminding me about Annie Borjesson and her strange death. Of course in those days (2004/5ish?) I might have been inclined to take the police explanation at face value but so much has happened since 2014 to open our eyes to the levels of corruption in the UK.
Warning
I’m going to pick a fight with Hatuey now!
What you’ve posted all sounds totally bonkers to me.
However I would ask you what we here in Scotland should do about it?
Is Independence the answer to everything?
So, Hatuey says it’s over.
Odd.
I say it’s hardly started.
No need to argue about it though. We can just wait to see how things turn out.
Thon republican boy who can’t spell “Scotland” posts there was a CIA plot to assassinate Assange in the Ecuadorean embassy.
Odd again.
Which is the most believable scenario here? Is it that the republican boy believes he is party to CIA planning and policy?
Or is it that the republican boy posts his mince, believing he can persuade us he is party to CIA planning and policy, and thus persuade us to believe mince?
It’s a minefield right enough.
One regular poster who never stops telling us about the folly and futility of fighting for your national freedom and survival.
Another regular poster who never stops detailing his “insider” knowledge of all that is going on, yet has never learned to spell “Scotland”.
Wha’s like us, eh? Seriously, for once. What other nationalist site in what other country would be constantly bombarded with shite like that?
I’ll leave Breeks and his antisemitism for another day. I’ll just predict that I don’t expect the Dews to accept they have it coming, because losers like Breeks doesn’t like them, any day soon.
But again, no need to argue. We all have a ringside seat at how things are going to play out.
The media consensus seems to be British politics is «broken» so why is the party of Scottish nationalism not seizing the opportunity?
Simply not up to the job, don’t recognize an opportunity when presented, or maybe clueless about that «nationalist» thing?
Whatever the problem the English seem to have more divisions to send in with the superglue than the Scots appear to have in wrecking balls, bulldozers and reconstruction teams.
Northcode 9:39
I have a mental picture of you as a golfer.
Always hoping to get your ace.
Be sure to let us know if you succeed.
There wasn’t a TRA male councillor placed in a woman’s shelter.
If you are referring to Mr Idul Wadhwa that was a man who pretended to be a woman and got a job advertised for women only.
There was no TRA involved it was a straight forward con which his employers fell for.
Are you suggesting that with independence everyone will be so smart nobody will every fall for a con.
Get smart Geri!
“I think there are a lot of folk commenting on stuff they know nothing about on here”
There is a passage in Plato’s ‘Apology’ where Socrates tells of a discussion with a ‘wise’ man after which he began to think that:[
“I know that I know nothing” is a saying derived from Plato’s account of the Greek philosopher Socrates – often called the Socratic paradox.
Right back at you!
Brilliant post! One of your best! 🙂
I’m going to save and in the event of someone trying to send you to ‘Off Topic’ I will change the name ‘Ruby’ to ‘Northcode’ and copy and paste it here BTL on Wings and it will all be true.
Is this more nudge, nudge wink wink from the long-term BTL commenting supercreep formerly known as Norsewarrior.
Does anyone have Mrs Mainellis’s phone number ? If so , could they give her a call and let her know her boy has soiled his pants – again – and is refusing to come out of the nursery cupboard until everyone goes home and he can be spared the humiliation of his peers holding their noses n laughing at him .
Oh , and he’s demanding a large tub of Benji n Zelly’s White Phosphorus ice cream as a condition of emerging from his little sanctuary .
” sophomoric ” hahahahahahahahahahahaHA !
TURABDIN
so why is the party of Scottish nationalism not seizing the opportunity?
Dah!
It’s because we aren’t independent and it’s all the fault of JK Rawling.
She put a spell on us!
Ever seen the film ‘Flesh Gordon’
Sex rays are sent to earth from the planet Porno and you can imagine what happened then.
Well something similar happened in 2014 but it was JK Rawling sending out ‘Unionist rays’ from her castle in Morningside which caused us all to vote NO hence party of Scottish nationalism not seizing anything.
Hang on a jiffy that Robert Hughes is causing disruption in the BTL comments. like by commenting on stuff he knows nothing about picking fights with long-term BTL commenters and generally being disruptive and worse of all he’s making stuff up.
Get him telt Brian.
5 days out from a General Election and the same moonhowler bating post has been up for about a week?
It’s certainly working!!
Sad what’s happened to this site.
However he «morphs» this guy has the brains of baba ghanouj.
https://archive.ph/WsEW7
Are Wokies actually intersex regenerated beings.
Kidnapped by E.T.s and «probed»….EEEK!
Whereas the Angels pity humanity, demons envy it.
Envy – noun:
“Envy is an emotion which occurs when a person lacks another’s quality, skill, achievement, or possessions and wishes that the other lacked such qualities and possessions too.”
I wonder if any demons frequent this place.
Andy Ellis
Ignored
says:
30 June, 2024 at 9:39 am
There was never any realistic prospect of Muscovy being invited in to the EU – or even NATO – because the regime there didn’t want to follow the example of it’s former protectorates in Eastern Europe…
George Robertson, arch Unionist I have nothing whatsoever in common with, but Secretary General of NATO 1999-2003, would disagree with you. A little inconvenient for your argument, but I’m sure you’ll persist with it regardless.
I’m no fan of Sturgeon the Betrayer’s fanzine but this is interesting on how the Labour party tried to stop the newspaper from revealing a big story about a top Labour politician.
“Today we lift the lid on how the Labour Party used a £30,000 legal threat to try to kill a big story about one of their senior figures, just two weeks before the election. This is a story that highlights how deep pockets and courtroom tactics mean that small news outlets can find themselves in a very difficult position when deciding whether to run a story …”
https://archive.is/qVfct
Breeks
Well said.
Their evil plan for world domination has spectacularly backfired on them. Endless sanctions didn’t have it’s desired effect but instead made them strive to become self sufficient. Now they’re growing & the West is having a mental breakdown on how to stop them. The days of printing money are over.
The EU has reverted to type with Von Der Liar at the helm too stoking the colonisers up with tales of breaking up Ruskies for untold wealth & tales of creating their own military industrial complex – crashing their economies in the process by telling them who they can & cannot talk to.
Then there’s NATO. Shown to the entire world it has fck all that works, feck all industry, feck all manpower & it turns out feck all co-ordination either as countries refuse to take part in their latest hair brained idea that’ll get them all killed.
They are the absolute dregs of humanity. They can only fight defenceless women, children & little countries without much in the way of defense to start with & it’s there for the entire world to see.
And we can also add in the total corruption of the UN, the ICC & the ICJ who only have one interest and that’s protecting murdering barstewards. They could issue arrest warrants for P for transporting orphans from a warzone in a nanosecond but killing hundreds of thousands of children in P*lestine has them all confused about the law that they need months to mull it over.
1 million dead Iraqi’s too & not a single arrest.
The whole shit show needs a reset & the yanks ostracised to feck like the pariah they are. They’ve no one to blame but themselves.
Tinto Chiel @9.43am.
A wee bit more info on the run up to the death of Annie Börjesson.
https://www.evidencelockerpodcast.com/transcripts/transcript-43-girl-on-the-beach-annie-borjesson-scotland
Hatuey 3:48
Yes, a distraction for sure. It allowed governments everywhere to pass new laws largely in secret & without parliament & public scrutiny & populations everywhere are getting mad.
I’m also thinking it has a more sinister agenda too as countries are increasingly becoming pissed off with LGBT saturating their every day lives that they’re actually tipping the other way now & becoming less tolerant. Poland, Turkey , Hungary, Serbia, Slovakia all starting the pushback & attitudes changing to dump this shit. Especially in more conservative countries.
Another crew that never knew when to quit while they were ahead & revealed themselves to be authoritarian fuckwits drunk on indoctrinating everyone to comply or else.
“Brilliant post! One of your best!”
I agree, it is one of my better posts – if not the best. But don’t let it go to your head, Ruby. Sic transit gloria mundi – or to paraphrase from the Latin; ‘all glory is fleeting’.
“I will change the name ‘Ruby’ to ‘Northcode’ and copy and paste it here BTL on Wings and it will all be true.”
Well, in that case I’ll have to add a few more compliments and superlatives to that comment.
Superlative – noun:
“Something or someone embodying excellence; an exaggerated or hyperbolical expression of praise”
I know everyone knows what superlative means – no harm in reminding folk, though. Is there?
Of course there isn’t, is the answer to my rhetorical question – if it weren’t rhetorical.
The ferret has a good article on Who funds Scotlands parties.
https://theferret.scot/billionaires-lobbyists-dark-money-scotlands-parties/
So its been reported that the Secretary for State AGAINST Scotland Alister Jack is in line for a peerage after the general election.
Why am I not surprised.
Here’s a nice quote for you, Robert Hughes;
“As long as politics is the shadow of big business, the attenuation of the shadow will not change the substance.”
From John Dewey, an unusually socialist American.
Ellis, talking about BRICS; “Don’t be under any illusion that it has significant support in the world in general, however much it might resonate with the usual suspects in here.”
The population of BRICS countries is about 3.5 billion and growing. The total population of the whole G7 (The West) is 780 million.
Using uncontroversial measures, the BRICS countries have a greater GDP than the G7 countries. (happy to provide sources).
That means the usual suspects are right, doesn’t it?
And, Ruby, you don’t need to explain yourself to anyone on here. If I had to choose someone from here to be stuck in a lift with John Main, it would probably be you.
Is England playing today?
It looks like its going to be more of the same from the EU big wigs, the treacherous Atlanticists will be happy. I pity the poor EU citizens with this lot in charge, we’re heading for more conflict.
“European Union leaders agreed to nominate Ursula von der Leyen of Germany for a second five-year term as president of the European Commission, the EU’s powerful executive body.
At a summit in Brussels, the bloc’s 27 national leaders also picked former Portuguese premier Antonio Costa as the future chair of their European Council meetings and selected Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas as the next EU foreign policy chief.”
RoS 11.24
Cheers for the link.
Fortunately for me and especially John Main you are totally powerless.
Nobody has to explain themselves to anyone but I would like to know if you know anything about who & why it was declared that a man believing he was a woman was no longer considered a mental illness and also if you know anything about the Yogyakarta Principles.
Who are these guys with the plan to ‘distract and divide’ and why stop at transgenderism not being a mental illness and not go for the more hard core mentalists like the psychopaths, schizophrenics & the rest.
Is that maybe their ‘distract and divide’ back up plan?
I like Northcode’s post because they are very imaginative and and yours seem similar except unlike Northcode you claim to be posting fact and not fiction.
Change the genre of your posts Hatuey and all will be well.
I’m also thinking it has a more sinister agenda too as countries are increasingly becoming pissed off with LGBT saturating their every day lives that they’re actually tipping the other way now & becoming less tolerant. Geri
Too bad so many of us in this country are dismissing it as a trivial issue.
I’m looking at you Geri
https://tinyurl.com/mvbwvnyh
PS Hautey
England playing at what?
General election games or with themselves or is that the same thing?
Northcode @ 11.53.
Your “is it rhetorical” comment reminded my of a reported (quite possibly apochryphal) question allegedly posed in an Oxford/Cambridge philosophy examination paper many decades ago.
The question, “Is this a question, discuss and elaborate”.
The best Honours answer, “Only if this is an answer.”
Just thought this may appeal to you, Northy, hope you continue to enjoy your new kettle & coffee.
Sven 🙂
It does indeed appeal to me, Sven. Thanks for bringing to my attention. Clever answer – no wonder it was considered the best.
New kettle functioning perfectly. My outburst of profanity yesterday was by design and not caused by a lack of coffee.
Actually, I’ve been meaning to offer an apology to you. You made a comment about magic and quoted Richard Bach on magic only being magical until the trick was understood.
I gave a smartassed answer trying to be clever and on reflection I feel it might have come across as rude. That was not my intention (I was just being a smartass). So, my apologies if my reply came across as rude to you. I suspect Richard Bach is probably right.
Ruby
Oh do fuck off.
In the grand scheme of things chicks with dicks or being nuked at any minute..hmm, it’s a tough one for sure. Let me think what’s more relevant right now..
Get a grip.
The GRA pish has been done to death. It’s as dead & as tiresome as the SNP. Get over it already & stop having a tantrum cause no one else is giving it the attention you seem to think it deserves. Yer nine yrs too late. Six if you live in Scotland & twenty since the 2004 Act.
Nothing can change until England decides it wants it to change. 56 dummies sent fae Scotland won’t make a blind bit of difference to ANYTHING.
Trouble in paradise I see! 🙂
Careful Geri, Ruby will be repetitively calling you a cunt in lieu of anything more intelligent to say.
Of course for the rest of us it’ll be like watching two bald men fight over a comb: at once fascinating and appalling.
Sadly it’s symptomatic of the lowering of standards in BTL discourse due to the usual suspects getting mutual highs on the brain farts that pass for their contributions.
Northcode @ 13.52.
No apologies ever required, Northy. I promise you that I never come online with the intention of being offended, misunderstood or provoked, and what do you know … I seldom am. (& not by your goodself).
Have a pleasant afternoon, I wasn’t surprised to learn that the writings of Mr Bach had a certain appeal to you.
I would guess that time and place will affect how people subjectively decide what is most important to them at the time.
For folk crossing water in a small, overcrowded boat the most important thing for them would be survival.
I see the Scottish gubmint is still interfering with what is important to many women – that’s wimmin born that way.
https://murrayblackburnmackenzie.org/2024/06/12/sex-in-the-equality-act-issues-and-choices-for-political-parties/
In what way is the GRA dead? Does that mean it’s all gone away and we don’t need to worry or know about it any more?
The WoS Twitter/X is chock-full of gender-related stuff and this is the WoS btl – why shouldn’t it be a topic for discussion here?
@moixx 2.32pm
It is a topic, and probably one of the few that there is actually relatively little disagreement about. There are very few if any TRA’s or their supporters posting here, or people who disagree with a gender critical view of the issue, or the kind of line followed by Rev Stu on the matter.
The few contrarians like Geri and Ruby who could start an argument in an empty room aren’t (thankfully) representative.
Sorry I can’t oblige. I ain’t going anywhere,
If you find my posts boring, irrelevant, out of date, annoying trivial or whatever just don’t read them.
Sorted.
Oh look you’ve got your pal Andy Ellis all excited.
Ellis Fluffer!
Sorry I can’t oblige. I ain’t going anywhere,
If you find my posts boring, irrelevant, out of date, annoying trivial or whatever just don’t read them.
Sorted.
Oh look you’ve got your pal Andy Ellis all excited.
Ellis Fluffer!
Over on the Slugger website there is a discussion on the state of the NI NHS and its failure. The title of a Sunday post poses the question of whether the crisis points to either more co-operation with Ireland or re-unification.
“…in the UK as a whole, there is a 15% deficit of £32 billion annually..”
“Half the UK’s hospital beds have been closed in the past 30 years, which means that France now has proportionately twice as many hospital beds, Germany three times and Japan four times. The UK has a below average number of doctors and nurses, and the lowest number of CT and MRI scanners per person among 16 comparable developed countries.”
“It is part of our social fabric, part of the glue that holds society together – it’s how we look after the vulnerable, those suffering and dying. Failure to provide a high quality health service will undermine confidence in our democratic society.”
Ellis
Wind yer neck in. You’re like the fud standing waiting for a fight then ends up being the only casualty for interfering.
You keep banging on about how BTL discourse has sunk. Is that cause no one is buying yer propaganda pish about how great the West is? Yer not cock o the walk? Everything you say is fictional pish. Deviancy, debauchery, mass murder, theft, rigged elections, overthrowing governments, assassinations, puppet regimes, resource stripping & land grabs…jeez, why can’t everyone outside the G7 just concern themselves with everyone’s pronouns instead.
It’s a mystery. It’s an even bigger one trying to think everyone outside the G7 wishes they were just like them. Delusions of grandeur is a recognised mental illness & so is psychopaths & sociopaths. They should ban all private schools for breeding ppl with mental illnesses. There isn’t a bigger bunch of narcissists outside the G7. Sorry to disappoint you but facts are facts. Everyone can’t wait to see the back of them as demonstrated on a daily basis.
Andy Ellis
Ignored
says:
30 June, 2024 at 2:02 pm
Trouble in paradise I see!
Careful Geri, Ruby will be repetitively calling you a cunt in lieu of anything more intelligent to say.
Don’t worry Ellis I’ve reserved that epithet mainly for you
You are the cunt!
There is no competition.
Good question moixx!
It certainly gets people all excited. I’ve had a fair amount of abuse & bullying here on Wings but the last few days have been extra-ordinary.
No idea what has happened to Geri. Could be she’s a big Dr Who fan?
She was totally sound until David Tennant called us ‘little whinging fuckers’
So yeah that could be the explanation for her odd behaviour.
How low has the standard BTL to go for Ellis to leave?
The sad answer is he has nowhere else to go.
Wings BTL is Ellis’s Hotel California or maybe it’s his
‘Last Chance Saloon’
@Geri 2.48pm
Aw, Geri…you’re the epitome of the person bringing an intellectual knife to gunfight. You and the usual suspects in here wouldn’t know facts if they hit them in the face. It’s an odd worldview to be pushing on the site of a man famous for his fisking of unreasoning know nothings using sources and verifiable facts.
Why it’s almost as if y’all have learnt nothing from Rev Stu, whilst simulataneously soiling his legacy and doing damage to the cause of independence with your crazed sub Wolfie Smith rantings.
“Squeak….squeak……..skweeeeeeeek…”
Squeaked MainEllis….
@RoS 11.24: thanks for that. I’ve been busy in the garden most of today but will take a look asap.
We certainly are living on the era of 180° News, where the MSM lie to us about everything that matters.
I suppose no-one who looks at the Willie McRae murder should be surprised about any inconsistencies in the Annie Börjesson case.
That has got to be one of the most pathetic replies that I’ve ever read.
He claims everyone agrees about gender issues so no need to comment.
That is absolute rubbish you would be hard pushed to find a couple of posters on here who even know what the GRA is.
Poster for the most part on Wings do not want to talk about ‘gender issues’ and that I find pretty weird.
As you say moixx The WoS Twitter/X is chock-full of gender-related stuff
What the ‘The WoS Twitter/X’ isn’t full of is that stuff that regularly gets posted here. I can’t post what they are about because Stu has made them banned words because he doesn’t want these topic discussion BTL. Clue it’s all about wars.
Ellis posts regularly about these topics & then has the cheek to complain about Geri soiling Stu’s legacy’
Ellis
Yer whole world view is all falling apart before yer very eyes. It must be tough..
..oh wait, there goes another one of yours. Yer beloved EU. Some won’t be a vessel state of the US after all.
Orbans ‘Patriots for Europe’ new alliance in the EU parliament.
Down with the Green bullshit.
Down with open borders.
Down with warhawking fckwits.
Down with the TRA shit.
Down with war. Everyone who voted for pouring in weapons lost their seat in the EU. Populations are pissed. Unless yer going to tell us now that uncle Vlad interfered somehow. *Yawns*
The yanks attack dogs are on the turn. You should venture further afield for yer news & not stuck on the propaganda channels. You may not look such an eejit then..
*vassal