The Days Of No Good Choices
There are now just 10 days until the general election. Wings has never told its readers how to vote and we’re not going to start now. Which is lucky, because if we were, we wouldn’t have a clue how to.
Just, y’know, not for any of these wretched, worthless shiters.
Because beyond any shadow of a doubt, if you have the slightest interest in ever achieving Scottish independence, the worst thing you could possibly do at this election is vote for anyone in the SNP.
That much is a given, and if you’re reading this website you’re not going to need any further explanation. To vote for the SNP this year is to vote to delay any advancement of the indy cause for at least another decade.
But as for the best WAY to not vote for the SNP, that’s a much trickier pickle for which we have no easy answers. There are a few options, but none of them are very great, so let’s have a quick walk through the pros and cons of each.
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VOTING FOR UNIONISTS
This is, for obvious reasons, the least palatable option for indy fans, but also by far the most effective way to get rid of the SNP, which is the prerequisite for any progress towards independence. As such it’s a long-term strategy with multiple short- and medium-term downsides – you’ll almost certainly have an imbecile for an MP for the next five years, for a start. (But probably no change there.)
Scottish Labour in particular have tried their damnedest to make voting for them completely impossible for independence supporters, and there is no force on Earth which could ever make this site suggest to anyone that they should consider voting for Blair McDougall under any circumstances whatever.
But in other seats the best-placed challenger may be relatively bearable, or at least no worse than whichever awful SNP dolt is currently in place. If you’re unlucky enough to live in East Renfrewshire, maybe best just to move house.
[EDIT: Colette Walker of the ISP is standing in East Ren. She’s good people.]
The media will of course celebrate a defeat for the SNP as a defeat for independence, but caring what the Daily Record says is a really terrible reason for doing anything. Roughly 50% of Scots still want independence and aren’t going to change their minds, so there’ll remain fertile territory for a political party to cultivate. Nature abhors a vacuum, and politics doubly so.
If you can’t bring yourself to vote for Unionists no matter what, we understand and empathise entirely, but THIS ELECTION IS NOT ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION – that ship sailed long ago – and it might be helpful to remember that.
SPOILING YOUR VOTE/STAYING AT HOME
A section of the Yes movement is loudly advocating “repurposing” your vote by writing “END THE UNION” or somesuch slogan across it. That isn’t repurposing anything, of course, it’s just old-fashioned vote-spoiling, and while people always talk about the potential impact of a mass spoiling campaign it never happens.
You’d need about a third of the vote to be spoiled papers for anyone to take the slightest bit of notice, and that just ain’t happening. (For reference, the percentage of spoiled papers in the 2019 election was 0.36%, which is a hundredth of that figure.)
However, you’re at least not doing any direct HARM by spoiling your paper and it’s mildly cathartic – the marks on spoiled papers are read out to the candidates, and it may be your only hope of having your MP hear your voice even momentarily for the next half-decade – so have fun if you feel like it.
The difference between spoiling your vote and simply not bothering to go out at all is of interest to politics stat nerds, but nobody else, because nobody attempts to ascertain which spoiled votes are making a pointed statement about the inadequacies of the candidates and which are just some moron who can’t even put an X in a box with a pencil without messing it up.
VOTING FOR MINORITY CANDIDATES
Not everyone in Scotland will have a candidate from Alba/the ISP/independents that they could vote for, but a fair few will. If smaller parties want to become bigger parties, at some point people have to start voting for them even in the knowledge that in the short term it’ll be a “wasted” vote.
If the Alba vote, say, were to rise to 5% in this election, they’d obviously get no seats but it’d be a signifier that the party had momentum and was reaching the sort of level where it’d be expecting to pick some up at the next Holyrood election, which would in turn start to increase their media presence and public awareness.
The drawback is that giving your vote to a party with, realistically, no chance of winning the seat – rather than to the candidate best placed to remove/defeat the SNP – risks letting the SNP squeeze through the middle, and every SNP MP that slithers back to Westminster with their gravy bucket drags out the party’s necessary death for longer.
It’s not entirely unprecedented for candidates elected for one party to retain enough of a personal vote to keep the seat for another party or as an independent, so readers might well feel it was worth trying to keep the likes of Neale Hanvey, Kenny MacAskill and Angus MacNeil – all contributors to the website you’re reading now – in their jobs, and we certainly wouldn’t argue with that.
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So that’s it. For what it’s worth, I’ll probably be spoiling again. Only one leaflet has come through my letterbox in Bath (from the impossibly dreadful Lib Dem incumbent Wera Hobhouse), nobody has knocked on the door, I haven’t seen a street stall for any party and I can’t find a single hustings where I can ask the candidates any questions, so my thoughts of possibly voting for someone to get Hobhouse out look kaput.
(It’s tempting to stay at home and contribute to what may be a very low turnout figure, but as noted above that’s a distinction without a meaningful difference, and the impulse to indicate democratic willing by at least showing up to the polling station to let them know they’re all scumbags is a strong one.)
But for Wings readers in Scotland the dilemma is much harder still, and we appreciate that. We wish we could offer you a genuine constructive strategy. But realistically the only useful thing this election can achieve is destruction, because you need to bulldoze useless unsaveable ruins before you can build something new.
Your vote, as always, is between you and your conscience, and only you can decide whether you want to contribute to the solution or merely to swerve any personal responsibility for what happens.
But after the catastrophic reign of Nicola Sturgeon there are no shortcuts. Voting SNP “because they’re the independence party” is like cancelling a dental appointment for a root canal. You’re still going to have to deal with it at some point, and you’re just letting more decay and pain take hold in the meantime.
Everybody knows Labour have already won the election by a landslide, perhaps by more than 300 seats. You may consider there to be some value in having a Labour MP who at least has the ear of the government, but the idea of Scottish MPs of any party having any meaningful collective influence is a fantasy.
Keir Starmer’s majority will be several times larger than Scotland’s total representation, and therefore Scotland, as a country, will have no voice in the next Parliament whether it sends 57 Labour MPs, 57 SNP MPs or 57 sacks of birdseed. There is absolutely nothing you can do about that.
(Don’t take our word for it, ask this useless fannybaws.)
In so far as we have any advice at all, then, it’s to use your vote to wreak as much destruction as you can, to shed the dead weight around our ankles and clear the launchpad for next time so that we can in future once more begin to dream of slipping the surly bonds of the Union.
Scotland might indicate its contempt for Britain and its «parliamentary sovereignty» by just boycotting the election all together.
A very low turnout would be a well targeted kick at Westminster and all its neo colonialist pretensions.
Send those 57 sacks of birdseed instead.
Pity Scotland doesn’t produce bananas.
At Scottish general elections the proportion of spoiled constituency and regional votes, respectively, were as follows:
1999: 0.30%, 0.30%
2003: 0.66%, 0.65%
2007: 2.88%, 4.08%
2011: 0.30%, 0.30%
2016: 0.40%, 0.20%
2021: 0.37%, 0.19%
So the proportion of spoiled ballots in 2007 was around 7 times and 12 times the average rate for the respective constituency and regional elections for the other 5 Holyrood polls.
It was all Brian Taylor, then of the BBC, could witter on about all night as the results came in (rather than the fact that the SNP under Alex Salmond’s leadership won a historic first election of any kind in Scotland).
The Guardian even reported that the spoilt votes tally topped 140,000 (see https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2007/may/09/scotland.devolution).
So “spoiling” votes does make news.
The ballots are placed face up and, as you say, read out to candidates. For supposedly pro-Independence candidates the message is ‘here’s what you could have won, if you were serious about Independence’.
But … each to their own and according to conscience.
“If you live in East Renfrewshire, maybe best just to move house.”
Or vote for Colette Walker of ISP. No she won’t win but since the alternatives are Blair McDougall, Sandesh Gullane or Kirsten Oswald why the hell wouldn’t you vote for her! Pro indy, anti Freeports, not going to Westminster al la Sinn Fein, pro women’s rights (unlike Sinn Fein!)..
And it’s a lot cheaper than moving house!!!
If an independentista was standing in Angus and Perthshire Glen’s they would have my vote. But there isn’t so it’s a spoiled ballot paper, posted already.
I’m lucky
I won’t have to hold my nose to vote for Neale Hanvey
But I am resigned to ‘independence’ being a thing that won’t be happening in what’s left of my lifetime
“the drawback is that giving your vote to a party with, realistically, no chance of winning the seat – rather than to the candidate best placed to remove/defeat the SNP – risks letting the SNP squeeze through the middle”
That’s true of wasting or repurposing ballots too (as well as voting for minority candidates that can’t win). It’s also true of abstention.
The only rational choice is to vote for whoever will have the best chance of defeating the SNP. People talk about holding their noses but that’s a lot easier than holding down the vomit that will rise up in your throat if the SNP come out of this claiming victory.
Nicola will love you if you spoil your vote, abstain, or waste your vote on a minority candidate that can’t win. By doing so you are confirming you are a mug which is the basis she has been working on for about 10 years.
There is a valid alternative to those assessed above- Over the past 3 years, Scots from every part of Scotland haven’t waited for an election to ACT for independence, to ACT for Scotland, those actions were repeated justblast Saturday, at Bannockburn, I hope this post from elsewhere on social media will explain:
Post reads:
Alpha and Omega – The beginning and the end. The FINAL ACT in regaining Scotland’s independence will take place in New York, it will happen at the United Nations, it will be the end of a long journey – when the countries of the world welcome Scotland as an independent sovereign state into membership of the United Nations. Part of the beginning to achieve that end took place last Saturday …
Bannockburn: 22nd June 2024: With one signature, with one ACT of self-determination, Scots at Bannockburn DECLARED the end of the union. I will repeat that – it wasn’t words, it wasn’t speeches, it wasn’t an anonymous X – each and every signature on a Declaration of a Sovereign Scot is an ACT of self-determination! An ACT of self-determination to end the union and regain Scotland’s independence.
Every one of those signed Declarations is not only an ACT of self-determination – it is the hard documentary evidence we need – to inform every country in the world of Scotland’s intention to regain our independence. If Scots don’t tell them, who will?
The Declaration initiative is designed to provide factual evidence to the countries of the world – evidence given to those who will eventually welcome an independent Scotland into their midst. Each signed Declaration has already been, and will continue to be lodged for safe-keeping with the HQ of the United Nations and is there for the scrutiny of every UN Member State, with a copy of each Declaration and signature retained for all future generations to witness who signed. To witness who ACTED!
I offer my sincere thanks to all those who signed their Declaration last Saturday, and to all those who have signed at every rally I have attended. A post about the next Stage in the Declaration initiative will follow.
The overall objective is to get the SNP out so lets get them out.
I very very rarely post here , but I’m stuck , I appreciate no one can tell me how to vote , but some guidance would be greatly appreciated
I have neale hanvey standing but , would my vote be better voting for him , not voting at all or spoiling it ?
Any views appreciated
Scotland should create an orchard somewhere, contain it behind a walled garden on a northern slope without sun, then fill it Scotland’s most toxic plants and poisonous berry trees, with a name plaque displayed for every one of these t(reach-erous) SNP shites who sold Scotland down the river.
Let the soil be poor and the landscaping ugly.
The Bear Gates of Traquair House are destined to remain closed until a Stuart is back on the Scottish throne, and this Black Orchard should remain locked and abandoned without care until Scotland is free, and rids itself of these toxic, two faced parasites in our Vichy Assembly.
Let every Scottish politician dread the stigma of a toxic tree bearing their name being planted in the Black Orchard, though not a hair on their head be harmed.
And when the wood is stunted and gnarled, let be turned into twisted uncomfortable furniture for Scotland’s MP’s to sit on, so they never again get comfy or complacent about defending Scotland’s integrity.
I’ll vote for Eva Comrie. She won’t win, but I voted for SNP candidates for 40 years, most of whom also had no chance of winning. By the time independence is a realistic aspiration once more, I’ll probably be dust in an anthill in the Derry Woods, so wtf?
Can’t fault your logic Stu, but am 99% sure Starmer will take us to war as the western hegemon fights to retain its position, and WWW3 isny something that I can vote for. It’s somewhat more of a pressing issue than indy!
Fortunately av got an Alba candidate, so roll on that 5%
If you should drag yourself to the polling place, remember to take your photo ID.
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Blank zombie politics begets a blank zombie electorate.
Re East Ren. I now know of a number of people in the area who are saying they will vote for McDougall to get Oswald out. Some are ex SNP, some are natural Tories voting tactically, some are longtime Labour anyway. I suspect he’ll steal it but by a tiny margin.
I hope I may be allowed this additional post, it is more in keeping with the assessments made in the Rev’s post. Again it is a post elsewhere on social media as part of the Declaration initiative – it asks a question of all current candidates – as to their allegiance.
Post reads:
Are there any current candidates who would swear an Oath of allegiance to the Sovereign people of Scotland, and refuse to swear the Royal Oath? It’s a choice, one that would form part of regaining Scotland’s independence, by creating a break from a tradition that has imprisoned Scotland and its people since 1707.
Choice 1) This Oath: ‘I do solemnly, sincerely, and truly declare an affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Take that Oath and it will earn you £90,000 a year, all expenses paid, and a pension.’
Choice 2) This Oath: ‘ I do solemnly swear and affirm that my allegiance is, and will remain permanently and exclusively, to the Sovereign people of Scotland.’
Take that Oath, and you will earn nothing of monetary value, but I believe you will earn the respect of all those who seek Scotland’s independence.
The Declaration of a Sovereign Scot initiative is seeking any candidate(s) who will take that alternative Oath – a Scottish Oath – before the 4th of July.
Ends.
Maybe if you have doubts over how or whether to vote – you might consider asking candidates – which Oath they might take?
None of the above. This isn’t democracy it’s Fa-Fa land. They do not represent me.
I could happily not vote .
But I did come across the Tory candidate in East Renfrewshire’s comments on the Cass review and on that alone I am voting for him . If it also unseats the SNP candidate I am
Happy for that as she has graffiti on the local shop door with vote SNP !
That’s another reason !
But the truth is I trust no one and conflicted about participating.
Carol Neill
When in doubt, do nowt
No Alba and it’s a choice between the LibDems and the SNP.
Only time Labour got in, it was the first GE with universal suffrage.
Neale Hanvey like every other candidate standing in Scotland believes ‘transwomen are women’
I was going to say it would be interesting to see the number of women who decided not to vote because it bloody well won’t be the reason being we won’t know if these ‘women’ are men or not.
Here are my choices in Aberdeenshire and Moray East as on ballot paper
Two horse race between Dross and SNP
Ian Bailey – Lib Dems
Andy Brown – Labour (suspended by Scottish Labour)
Jo Heart – Reform
Seamus Logan -SNP
Douglas Gordon Ross – Conservative (seat thief)
Typically informative , perceptive n funny post , Stu . You’re wits-end frustration n ( justified ) anger at the state of the SNP n U.K Politics generally is palpable . Yr not alone .
I’ve come round to idea that the priority should be inflicting as much damage as possible on the fatberg that is the SNP by voting for the candidate most likely to defeat them . Pity Cillit Bang wasn’t standing .
Problem me for is – according to Electoral Calculus , Drew Hendry has an 81% prospect of retaining the seat ,Labour 18% , Cons 1% n all the other Parties 0% – inc Reform .
Reckon it’ll be #ENDTHEUNION , then . At least I’ll be spared the cog dis of voting for a Unionist 🙂
Not that any of this makes or will make the slightest difference ; we’re still going to governed by a bunch of – essentially – Middle Class ( whether in background or * values * ) pricks punting the same NeoLiberal pish as the previous mob , and the one before that ad fckn nauseam .
New Labour will add their own distinct flavour of ” fuck you commoners ” to the ongoing War On Reality by pandering even more to the unhinged screamers of the * Trans * Covenanters Lobby , as the latter DEMAND , eg we gaze in adoration at a billboard displaying a young women’s – voluntary – double mastectomy-scared body . A role model for our times ? Aye it’s no .
N we’ll still be stuck in an interminable folie a deux * Union *
Facebook is not letting me share this article, claiming my attempted sharing to a wider audience is in breach of their community “standards”(!!!) . At some stage I guess we are going to have to deal with the integrity initiative and similar ‘security’ services. In the meantime, the frustration and anger generated by this type of action simply deepens my resolve for indy…
Let’s be honest, Scotland public enemy number one is the SNP. We’ve done a postal vote and we put two against our SNP candidate from Livingston. I could have voted for the party who was mostly likely to oust her which would be the Labour party luckily the opinion polls are saying she’ll lose her seat. We opted to vote for Alba so it’s one vote against per person in this household, better 1 against the SNP than not voting at all.
The 4th of July our Independence Day from the SNP, can’t wait to see that Yellowd wipe from the Scottish map for good.
Unfortunately Stirling and Strathallan provides a choice of 5 utter numpties…
Sham Nationalist Party
Fibdems
Tory Scum
Slabber
BNP
Suppose going in with a sharpie and scrawling “Tossers” over the ballot might provide some light relief to the general malaise.
Ruby Monday
Ignored says:
24 June, 2024 at 7:38 pm
Neale Hanvey like every other candidate standing in Scotland believes ‘transwomen are women’
What utter pish! Neale is a strong advocate of women’s rights and absolutely doesn’t believe this
I found myself in a bit of a quandry when this election was called. I have always voted SNP and their sitting candidate is one of their better members, who has been very-helpful as a constituency member on a couple of occasions.
However, after all the Sturgeon Cult’s nonsense – no way.
Similar stories with the Blue and Red Tories and the Tory-lit Liberals – no way.
I am a founder member of ALBA, but their candidate, a refugee from the old SNP was an absolute disaster when in the Commons, so a no-no from me.
Reform – you must be joking.
So, I, having initially decided to go down the #End the Union route, I have had a late change of heart. My Grandson is standing in our constituency for the Greens. The reality is, he’s a “paper” candidate, they will put in a bigger effort for Holyrood in 2026, but, he’s my Grandson, I think he’s misguided in his politics, but, he’ll get my vote, and not just as the best of a bad bunch.
Carol Neill
Ignored says:
24 June, 2024 at 6:49 pm
I very very rarely post here ,..
Neale Hanvey ticks the boxes for me If I was looking for someone to vote for. I think he deserves some support as well. A good guy.
I could never stomach voting for Unionists, ever. Plus, given the focus on the anti woman policies of the SNP, any independence supporter who not only votes for a Unionist party, but votes for an anti woman unionist party, is pretty much betraying everything they claim to believe in.
There’s no independents in my constituency, so its either spoiled ballot or voting SNP through extremely gritted teeth.
The Rev sums it all up nicely. For reasons I’ve stated before I’ll be abstaining. The new ID process could well add to the figures abstaining, so a very low turnout [below 50%] is not beyond the bounds of possibility which would, IMO, send a strong signal of pisht-aff-ness to both England and SNP tractors.
We really needed Alba or SNP, or even the Greens, to adopt the policy of abstentionism in this Westminster election, but not for the first time they bottled it in favour of britnat pensions and party Short money.
Cheers ruby
But I still very much in a quandry
Neale seems a good guy , but then so did big eck , I wish he’d come out all guns blazing , he’s nothing to lose ?
It is the none of the above election as I have no Pro Indy candidates to vote for and I include the SNP in that list.
Vote for whoever is most likely to unseat the SNP (in Scotland).
For reasons explained in previous BTL threads I can’t vote for Starmer under any situation.
So just do your best, to not vote SNP, whoever that might be.
Here we go again ladies. Get ready for the fight of your lives.
Women won’t Wheesht 2.0.
By the end of this – the death of the labour party will be nigh.
Get ready to go up against your corporate elites. It’ll be a lonely place ladies. But enough is enough.
You’ve got to say something.
We need the facts – we need polling done.
We need to defend ourselves against the gender lobby.
We’ve got to fund polling. I’ll pay the money – you set the donation.
We’ve got to raise cash. Will wings over Scotland commission some more panelbase polling on gender self ID.
Ladies. you’ve got to walk into your board room and slap it down on your HR department’s desk – this is what the public think of Gender Self ID.
I’ve been looking for the scottish panel base polling – and others on gender self ID. We’ve got to keep it clear and concise in a wee note pad.
I’m furious about this. About the labour party. If only the tories weren’t so corrupt we wouldn’t be having to suffer this all over again.
What’s the plans? Women won’t wheest. We need to fucking rise up and stand up.
Our country is starving. We’ve got no future. No opportunity for social mobility. No opportunity to save money to get on the property ladder – this is my situation – rental costs excorticate in the private lets.
Walked through Glasgow today. West end of Glasgow is gone – nothing what it used to be. My two pals are moving to the south side. They can’t stand it anymore.
My pals just missed out on a flat as a cash offer 50K above the asking price put in for a shitey flat in Partick.
The country is fucked. We’re fucked. And they think we need this?
I’m furious. I want to smash things up I really do.
Might be #EndTheUnion for me, but a read at Grouse Beater is certainly making me ponder….
“We in Scotland are scoured by the curse of colonialism. Remove a politician wedded to freedoms and independence, no matter how slothful they seem in securing the ideal, and we welcome back another colonial oppressor, the very people we wish banished from our country. The absolutist says wipe out the SNP and lets start again. But they don’t say how or led by whom. And none of us are getting any younger, fearing we lose the Big Day celebrations. This time will see the invaders make laws to stop our march to full civil and constitutional rights and those people are far more undesirable than any disliked personality in the SNP, ALBA, ISP, SALVO or solo candidates standing for election.
Vote. And choose wisely.”
Andrew
Ignored says:
24 June, 2024 at 8:38 pm
I could never stomach voting for Unionists, ever….
Agree with his post. No unionist and no freak gets my vote and certainly no freakin unionist.
Women’s rights which include transwomen.
He believes in the GRA2004 which means he believes transwomen are women.
If you’ve not seen the news. The labour party want to make Gender Self ID one of their defining policies of the next term of Government.
Sir Kier wants to streamline this dehumanising process he says.
Get ready to home school your children. They’re coming to trans away the gay!
Also went to the Mela festival yesterday.
I love Indians. Bit fan of their food. Their culture very colourful people beautiful day in Glasgow.
The Scottish women are the most beautiful in the world in my opinion. Especially the red haired ones that you see in the wedding adverts – beautiful.
I love a Scottish lassie in a bit of tartan wearing a Mary Quant mini-skirt.
And then you look up and it’s a man!
This country is lost… This country!!!!
The only way to protect women’s rights is to repeal the GRA 2004.
Nobody is campaigning for the repeal of the GRA 2004.
You can’t protect women’s rights if there is a law which states men can become women.
Quite happy to hear why Stevo thinks this is utter pish.
Carol Neil….If I was in Neale Hanveys constituency He’d get my vote. I think Ruby may be mistaken about his view of twaw. Neale speaks out strongly on womens issues – repeal the GRA – WASPI etc See his X account eg https://x.com/JNHanvey/status/1805189590296186997 where he says “Whether I am re-elected or not, I will oppose this misogynistic, homophobic and child endangering movement”. He has also written several pieces for Wings that you might want to look up.
I live in Perth & Kinross and will be voting for SALLY hUGHES our Independent for Independence candidate who is working hard to put Pete Wishart permamently in his slippers!
Our votes count for nothing in Westminster. Doesn’t matter who we send, the English decide who’s in government.
What we can do, however, is send a clear message that we are no ones fools. Labour were given that message and the SNP need to be given the same.
So, ignore who they are and vote for whoever will kick the SNP out most effectively.
Oh, and you’d need her heid looked at if you didn’t vote for Hanvey. Honestly, the very suggestion!
If anyone wants to see how bad the housing crisis is in Glasgow and the West.
Youtuber – “Honest Places – video – Walking Scotland’s Most derelict streets.”
It is astonishing, hundreds of empty houses in Fergusley Park area – 2 bedrooms. The same style houses would set you back £250,000 in Kniteswood.
I makes me despair. Send Alex Salmond To Fergusley Park to Investigate. You’ve got to see it to believe it.
I would be happy to be proven wrong but I don’t think I am.
I have found in the past a lot of people get GRA and GRRB mixed up.
I posted this article to Facebook earlier this evening. Within minutes, Facebook told me the post had been removed.
I will vote Alba for what it’s worth. Something tells me the SNP polling is just that, polling!
On the day folk will just not turn out. So the SNP share is exaggerated by about 7%. They could end up with 15 seats.
Feegie Park’s in Paisley. Are the empty properties council or privately owned?
Regarding the toxic garden, plant laburnums. You’ll end up with a big tree that, when the time comes to cut it down in 150 years, can be used for veneers – and it’s also nice wood for turning.
Vote Plaid in Wales, Green in England unless they have hideous SGP views except Islington (Corbyn), Blackburn (Independent Pro-Palestine), ditto Dudley and any other independent left candidate I don’t know about. Stourbridge, where I used to live I would vote Labour because I know the candidate and I like her and I despise the Tory MP. And she is the only alternative to the Tories in that seat. Scotland – vote Alba. Living in Leith I would have voted Socialist Labour Party with very little hope or enthusiasm. Norn Iron I will keep my view to myself.
In case you’re going to ask, I live in Paderborn and vote Die Linke but if their vote slips below 5% (cut off to get seats) I could vote SPD or BSW. Without enthusiasm.
Have a great experience of democracy 🙁
And a good week, I enjoy summer it’s my favourite day of the year.
For me, the best outcome will be the Tories annihilated in England and have more representation in Scotland, being the only party that appears to know what a woman is. Also, it will do them good to find themselves as a minority party in a country that doesn’t vote for them whilst another does.
Then again, I might just write “None of these arseholes” across the ballot paper instead, not having an indy party to vote for here.
This is going to be the most shite election ever, but, as usual, I’ll be sitting up all night with beer and crisps watching the results. What a time to be alive.
Little bird tells me Julian Assange is free.
I think it’s true, but there’s very little info so far.
A person that Nicola and the SNP loves: “a very low turnout [below 50%] is not beyond the bounds of possibility which would, IMO, send a strong signal of pisht-aff-ness to both England and SNP tractors.”
It won’t happen, never has, and it would send (and achieve) fuck all even if it did.
By abstaining or spoiling your ballot paper, you effectively destroy the atom of influence you might have had.
Funnily enough, I always thought the world would be a better place if stupid people didn’t vote. These are strange times.
Have you considered forming a Pro-Abstain Party? I’d vote for you… ooops! Sorry, I mean I wouldn’t vote for you. Hmmmm. You see how stupid this is?
Breeks, the world’s most trusted broadcaster, beloved of all decent citizens of these islands, is reporting that he is out of Belmarsh and on his way to Australia. He is expected to appear in US District Court in the Northern Mariana Islands on Wednesday, where he will plead guilty to something and be sentenced to time served.
Julian Assange released from prison, WikiLeaks says, after striking deal with US justice department
https://archive.ph/jFp8y
This independents group is standing in all 5 constituencies in Edinburgh. I wouldn’t vote for them because I have no idea who they are or what they actually stand for, but kudos to them for getting it together in time for this exceedingly snap election.
I suspect Sunak called the election specifically to hamper any organised challenge from independents or anti-establishment parties, after seeing what happened in Rochdale. It was certainly a surprise move even for his own Cabinet.
Firstly, great news, if true, about Julian Assange. That man, that legend, told the truth, and should NEVER have been hounded by Sweden, the USA and the UK on utterly FAKE sexual assault charges. I do not doubt for one second that the woman involved was a spook. The whole damn thing reeked of governments colluding in the most corrupt manner to smear Assange. Julian Assange is an actual hero of the free world. A legend, who stood up for honesty, truth and justice.
Just a pity that the so-called ‘free press’, rather than stand up for truth, chose to pretend it didn’t happen, and play along with the chicanery and LIES of their respective governments. I do not doubt that some of them will today, in a massive show of hypocrisy, be cheering aloud about how it is a victory for the so-called ‘free press’.
As to the election, well, it is an English election for England, to decide the government of England by the people of England, that will, when elected, rule over Scotland and Wales, its last colonies, in the greatest example of diktat and undemocratic bullying in the world. Ahhh little England, perfidious albion, the undemocratic, unelected colonial ruler of Scotland, that stole our oil wealth, stole our other assets, and now, under the guise of ‘gb energy‘, will steal all our renewable energy from Scotland too. They will then lament on how poor Scotland is, and how it NEEDS the ‘largesse‘ of England to even survive.
Fortunately I have an ALBA candidate in my constituency, a genuine local, supports independence, women’s rights, and has the right attitude. They may not win, but that is not the point, I see this as prep for the Scottish elections in a couple of years.
Alba party are like old SNP under Salmond, focussed on independence. If there were no such candidate, I would spoil my paper, demanding the end of undemocratic, unelected, English colonial rule over Scotland.
The SNP has destroyed Indy and the leadership has destroyed the SNP and the Yes movement and people on here are debating who to vote for, come on people public enemy number One is the SNP. For the last tens the SNP has been denying our right to a referendum the former FM has said there is alternative ways to achieve a referendum only for the SNP to destroy it by taken the opposite direction.
FFS does it have to be spelt out for Scotland to exist the SNP has to die, its that simple.
For every vote you don’t give the SNP and give to someone else the SNP will need two vote in order to catch backup.
If you need to vote for the devil its better to vote for one who’s going to rid us of our jailer (SNP). The SNP will never ever deliver Independence, John Swinney stated LOUD and clear Scotland will only be Independent with a section 30 order and Swinney knows as does the Unionist party’s that no matter which government is in Westminster a section 30 will never be given and the SNP knows it and is happy for the UKG to keep denying it, it suits there purposes.
Priority is removal of the SNP, 50% support Independence but not everyone who supports Independence knows the SNP are taken us for idiots. If we rid our self of the SNP by 2026 the Yes movement could be revived if the SNP still exist the chance of Independence before 2030 is dead and buried.
Would I vote for a unionist party to rid Scotland of its jailer YES i would, the SNP is the party holding Scotland in this union so lets remove the jailer and free up our options on Independence other than a section 30, for gods sake hold your nose its better to vote for the devil you know the party you think you know.
If we had a party with a voice and prepared to stand for Scotland’s corner Westminster would have to deal, Alex Salmond knew this, the New SNP also knows this this is the sole reason they are happy to say we asked and the answer was NAW so we need to get another mandate in order to strengthen our position, no this is weakening our position and the SNP knows it.
The leadership went into this election and change what the membership had voted for regarding the route to Independence, why because it didn’t suit there needs. This is precisely whats been done since Sturgeon took over just because we have a new leadership the direction of the party hasn’t changed. So we need to change and by changing who we vote for is our best way of protecting Scotland and achieving Independence.
Why would you vote for a party who can march for LGBT+ and refuses to march for Indy, says it all really doesn’t it.
Far too early to be making up our minds. Still 9 days to go, and even 7 is a long time in politics.
Those unpinned hand grenades the various lobbying groups have been nursing until the time is right have yet to be lobbed …
Labour’s “landslide” is a side-effect of the media’s click-bait catastrophising – every prediction of the majority has to be just a little bit more apocalyptic than the last, in order to capture social media notice. An endless, self-amplifying loop.
Come the day, in the dark quiet of the polling booth, many will be weighing up what really counts to them.
Such as Labour’s eye-watering tax rises.
And their recent about face on what is a woman.
I think Labour’s going to win – defo, it’s baked in, but it will be closer than many expect it to be.
It’s also going to be the first WM GE at which the new reality of WM politics – the organised Muslim bloc vote – is going to be so in everybody’s face that not even the MSM will be able to ignore it any longer.
With obvious ramifications for HR in 2026 …
Because it’s just Scottish Indy that can’t shift the dial, even over a decade. Everywhere else in Europe, a couple of years is the normal timespan for new political movements to come from nowhere to positions of power.
@David Hannah ,
After seeing some poll results I got curious if it was a self selecting group .
You just sign up on line . 50 points a poll . Get to 5000 and you get a £50 voucher of your choice of designated stores .
So I decided to offer my views too . I find it quite therapeutic to rank politics .
But it is in my mind very much a self selecting group . I can see now how some are very far from reflecting the true voting intentions.
People on here need to stop worrying about Westminster because Westminster is more worried about Scotland but while the SNP is in charge they’re not.
To the person asking about Neale Hanvey. I have always found him honest, trustworthy and a hard worker. He has given Salvo/ Liberation support at crucial times in our development I think and hope pro Indy supporters should vote for him.
100%Yes
Ignored
says:
25 June, 2024 at 7:37 am
Why would you vote for a party who can march for LGBT+ and refuses to march for Indy, says it all really doesn’t it.
And the Bannockburn march at that; arguably the most poignant of them all.
Not long now though. I hope the smug bastards get an absolute hammering, although they’ll dress it up with the usual sophistry and political doublespeak; night is day, black is white…
We should have a sweepstake or “Defeat Bingo” cards ready for all the disingenuous excuses on results night. Low turnout, photo ID, self ID, blah! blah! blah!
The only safe bet is not one of these charlatans will acknowledge the stone cold betrayal of Scottish Independence. Wankers to the last.
Fun Facts
Population of Scotland is around 5.5 million.
Number of immigrants in England & Wales (i.e. people born abroad) is around 10.5 million.
Anybody wedded to the first axiom of democracy, “one person, one vote” can judge the relative importance of Scotland at WM from these two facts alone.
It was the manifestos prepared for the 2005 WM GE that first alerted me to the existence of promises targeted specifically at the growing immigrant population (if you’re interested, Tory manifesto policies, in a desperate and fruitless attempt to thwart Blair’s historic third term).
Every election since then, these policies and promises (from all parties) have become more blatant and more obvious. However, acknowledgment of the new direction of travel from the MSM remains as fugitive as ever.
Demographics is destiny.
This «election» is an «ignore» because Scotland is an «ignore».
Tit for tat.
Smash the foul Yookay and its belly crawling minions.
25th June 2024 – Moldova is commencing EU accession talks.
It’s a small country, around 2.5 million, and shares a legacy of colonialist, imperialist absorption at gunpoint from its overwhelmingly larger neighbour.
But the Moldovans aren’t feart.
The referendum is in October:
“A nationwide referendum is scheduled to be held in Moldova on 20 October 2024 on whether the country should amend the Constitution of Moldova to include the Moldovan citizens’ wish for European Union membership”
If only our SNP/Green ruling junta would grant us the same. But no, we’re going to be in the EU because they say we have to be in the EU, and they dare not risk giving us a democratic say.
We might say “naw” and who in control would want that?
I have the same problem with the Tories as I do with Neale Hanvey/Alba
Any politician or party who is happy to have the GRA 2004 in place obviously doesn’t know what a woman is.
Women feel let down by politicians whether they are Independence supporters or not.
I haven’t just suddenly changed my mind about this I have been saying this since high profile Alba member Craig Murray came out as a trans-activist.
Iain Lawson
Neale Hanvey, is one of the most dedicated people we have in the movement he’s a assets the SNP should have not let go.
I spoilt my postal ballot. I could not in all good conscience give my vote to any of the candidates. No Alba or ISP here unfortunately. In ’26 I’ll be voting Alba.
Our household will not be voting. I have never not exercised my right, husband spoiled his paper one year. Nobody to vote for. Not one Independence candidate other than the SNP and they ruined their chances.
Hatey McHateface @ 8:27 am
“Demographics is destiny”
Demographic change (e.g. ‘occupation by se***ers’) is an established and fundamental part of colonial rule. Demographics comprise one of the key determinants of independence for a colonised people who are always ‘in the process of perishing’ (Fanon) so long as colonialism is permitted to continue. Liberation and ‘self-recovery’ of native culture (Memmi) is the only remedy for ‘a people’ subject to ‘colonial procedures’.
https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2021/10/26/determinants-of-independence-demographics-2/
Ruby Tuesday @8.56
Neale Hanvey is solid on Women’s rights and has spoken at and supported For Women Scotland demonstrations outside Holyrood I personally don’t think Craig Murray should still be in Alba anyway as he is standing for another party .
If I were able to I would definitely vote for Neale ,unfortunately I don’t have an Alba candidate in my constituency.
Who remembers the Martin Keating Section 30 case that the SNP/SG sabotage only then to take us directly to the British Supreme court. For all these who a reminder of WHOM were dealing with look no further than than the keating case, or Criag Murray and ALex Salmond and the list goes on and on.
The SNP is no friend to Scotland or our people, the English might be our jailers but the SNP are our torturous.
Breeks
The result is going to be very interesting if not the most interesting result for a Westminster election we have ever had.
I hoping that the SNP goes bust as a result of a very poor election night and the funds from Westminster won’t cover their debts.
Also I’m hoping the same as what you said in your post, but to add just one thing the stamp fiasco makes people think twice about voting for the SNP.
If the SNP dies as a result of a poor election thats on Swinney not Humza and because of Sturgeon and the SNP not the Indy movement.
George Galloway predicting that Farage / Reform will get at least 25% of the vote and very possibly getting zero seats for it. I suspect it may be better. Galloway actually touches on why…
Also talking about who is behind ISIS/Al Q@eda and the attacks on Ru$$ia. He points out they always attack whoever the US does not like. That during an 8 month mass murder of P@lestinians they have done precisely fuck all about that.
And the mock outrage ‘from the whole orchestra’ at Nigel Farage speaking what everyone knows is true about the war in Ukr@ine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YgIcSacxWo&ab_channel=GeorgeGalloway
Thank you all for your replies
@Alf Baird says:25 June, 2024 at 9:20 am
“Demographic change (e.g. ‘occupation by se***ers’) is an established and fundamental part of colonial rule. Demographics comprise one of the key determinants of independence for a colonised people who are always ‘in the process of perishing’ (Fanon) so long as colonialism is permitted to continue. Liberation and ‘self-recovery’ of native culture (Memmi) is the only remedy for ‘a people’ subject to ‘colonial procedures’.”
I have some sympathy for what you write, as I see how it partially applies to our situation (where we perhaps differ is that you think it fully applies).
So here’s some questions: Given the 10.5 million (presumably “legal”) immigrants in England & Wales, and maybe another million illegals (who actually knows?), are they even more colonised than we are?
In percentage terms?
Does our Scottish government pass legislation that actively penalises the indigenous Scottish population in order to favour our white, English se***ers?
Because the WM government most certainly does that for their se***ers south of the border. And that UK legislation affects us too.
My analyses of this election is either a spoiled ballot paper or refraining from voting due to Labour will be running the pretendy Scottish government,
Labour have already won the election in Scotland prior to any one in Scotland getting out of bed to go cast their vote, simply because we are outnumbered by default of the electorial system, and the size of the rest of the UK compared to Scotland,
So what would Scotland vote be worth?
Not a lot,
Labour will lead and the rests of the Scottish votes will be discarded as leftovers that have been thrown to the wind to fall where they may,
Short term we want rid of the SNP, Long term we want rid Labour, Tories, lib dems, Greens,
What our split voting will do is allow all these ejeets back into the pretandy parlianment because of the way the voting election results are counted.
None of the smaller parties will have a voice in that parliament because they will always be a out numbered when voting on any policy they put forward, or any small objection they have to other policies put forward by the other parties policies and would also go unheard as a squeak in the corner,
All these parties in this election have already been part of Holyrood and “contributed” to running Scotland into the ground,
They are on maternity leave, on holiday, they abstain, or pretend to object whilst behind the scenes and closed doors they vote to enable bad policies into Scotland,
Weather “you” object to you a human needing an ID card like a dog needing a license, or wether you object because you can only choose a crap politician or a shit politician is not in my personal
Opinion and analyse a good reason to vote,
But I suppose when each individual has made their own personal assessment of the political landscape many may spoil their ballot paper for lack of effective choice,
“The Hate Crime” bill passed in Scotland through the back door of a pretendy Scottish parliament under Westminster legislation was enough to open my eyes as the final straw that broke the camels back, because it breached the treaty of union on “Private Rights” of Scottish people. And wrote into the fallacious treaty of union.
I disagree but what does it matter. No point in me repeating the same thing over and over again.
I think it might be a mistake to send our ‘good guys’ to Westminster to be corrupted and turned into ‘Cosy Slipper loving Bisto kids’
There is not a single politician standing in Scotland who is solid on Women’s rights I’ve singled out Neale Hanvey because Alba have been a huge disappointment to me.
I seem to be the only person in Scotland that is looking forward to the election. Persecution syndrome has set in alongside the usual exceptionalism; Scotland, we are told, is in a uniquely shit predicament.
But, shit as it is, there’s nothing unique about it. The system we call democracy screws everybody. In most countries it was designed from the ground up to make sure the people never get what they want. “Democracy” makes all countries colonies of the rich.
The only difference between this election and previous elections is that more of us than before have realised that the SNP is part of the democratic scam, and that’s a good thing. Look across the western world and you will see the same sort of scam play out everywhere.
If you ever thought democratic elections were about giving you a meaningful choice or a say in things, you were simply misinformed, and that’s no accident. The truth is almost the exact opposite — they’re about making sure you don’t.
Democracies are prisons with walls made of stainless steel lies.
I watched ( Reason- live) on youtube this week that showed a meeting between Starmer and Mr Khan of London noteriety.
Discussing bringing in NEW laws under further Hate Crime Speech, that will be imposed soon, that bloke is a woke dictateor,
But shutting down other avenues of free speech,
I see there is a delay in posts going through on Wings today,
Brian @3.39am.
Yes Brian that’s brilliant news radio news says that Assange immediately fled the UK, good for him.
The forces of evil CAN be defeated and Assange and his team have shown that.
FFS, GasMain is back. Out from under his stone, swivel eyes blinking in the light.
100%Yes @ 9:24 am
“The SNP is no friend to Scotland or our people, the English might be our jailers but the SNP are our torturous.”
Yes indeed, the dominant national party elite that betrays the people and ‘ruptures the independence movement’ (Memmi) and instead makes ‘an accommodation with colonialism’ (Fanon) protects only the colonizer’s interests and plunder; and in doing so it takes on the role of ‘colonial watchdogs’ (Cesaire). The people can expect only more oppressive laws from a colonial administration, which is why they have to be removed, toot sweet.
I think this is a very interesting election now.
I am thinking Starmer’s arse will be a bit twitchy despite the massive odds at the bookies.
Almost impossible to predict given the potential massive swings and then you have the eccentricities of the FPTP system as well… If parties start going through the 30% barrier or below it you could see huge swings. If the tory vote collapses that is a lot of seats up for grabs.
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/userpoll.html
Why the fuck would they go to Keir Starmer I am thinking. That disaffected tory vote that gave Boris a massive landslide now has a new option…
I think Scotland will just revert to Labour (or worse the SNP) but England is going to be spicey methinks. Hopefully Galloway and Murray get (re)elected.
The usual BS from the Teflon Don of the SNP (VONC’s never stick to him) its all Westminster’s fault is the tired old rhetoric from Swinney.
We really need to remove the SNP from office no matter how painful it might seem or get, we need to reset the dial to zero again, and unfortunately begin again, for the SNP is not a party for Scottish independence anymore, they have become a road block to it.
The main goal must be to remove as many SNP MPs as possible come the English elections aka the GE.
“JOHN Swinney has accused the Westminster establishment of having a “know your place” attitude towards Scotland as he ripped into Unionist parties for not acknowledging the devastating impacts of Brexit during the election campaign.”
I honestly don’t know what I am going to do on polling day. Realistically in my constituency its a choice between SNP and Labour. I am not aware the SNP candidate has ever done anything to advance the cause of independence, or ever done anything good for the local area or any other good cause, and the Labour candidate is a unionist.
@Ruby Tuesday you are wrong about Neale Hanvey but seem determined not to listen.
Your choice.
No party is advocating repealing the GRA although several women’s groups are campaigning for this to happen.
As for East Ren, the Con guy voted FOR the GRR despite being given a free vote, so he’s lying to save his skin.
Labour will be worse just than the Cons because they will push self ID
For a realistic insight into what happens bureaucratically and politically when 70% of an electorate’s cast ballots are blank, defaced or repurposed, then just read Jose Saramago’s novel, Seeing. No plot spoilers. But no surprises either. As captain Fraser intoned, ‘we’re aw fucked’
Look at this… select the three year view.
https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/united-kingdom/#national-parliament-voting-intention
Massive swings from the Tory vote to Labour during Truss’ and then Sunak’s unelected appointment.
So in my view this is actually very precarious for Starmer.
Those people could just as easily switch to Farage now. That Reform manifesto was described by that tory in the article I linked to as a classic (80’s era) tory manifesto, and it really is. Massive tax cuts, stop the boats, make Britain Great again…
Starmer is right to be looking over his shoulder… Farage could come up quick. England is fundamentally tory.
Scotland as usual will just be a passenger but our job is simple, obliterate the SNP. No matter what happens, they have to be annihilated before the independence movement can move forward again.
If the SNP somehow limp through with just a severe mauling it will be a failure. We have to tear them limb from limb at the ballot box. Nothing else will do.
I don’t know how anyone would risk this shower of shit surviving.
Can you imagine Pete Wishart being returned as an MP because you or someone else spoiled their ballot instead of voting for whoever is best placed to eject the little wank into political outer space.
I think I’d be on suicide watch if that happened to me… Don’t take that risk folks.
Tactical voting is a must. As someone pointed out that means they are looking for not just one missing vote but two votes. You double your impact, your power, hoofing them in the electoral chuckies.
Carol Neill
Ignored says:
24 June, 2024 at 8:53 pm
Cheers ruby
But I still very much in a quandry
Neale seems a good guy ,
Worked with him a few years back when he was in the Snp doing leafleting/canvassing etc with him.
What a tireless worker and a 100% believer in Scottish independence. I have never seen anyone work harder for the cause.
I wish he’d been standing in my area. I would vote for him in a heartbeat!
It is early days but what is noticeable on the politico voting intention history (select 6 month view) is that Reform are taking votes off Labour at roughly the same rate as they are taking them off the Tories. Makes sense as Starmer is pretty much a tory anyway.
Hi Ruby.
A wee Neale Hanvey video for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKaIztfRGfQ
Listen to who Liz?
You say
‘No party is advocating repealing the GRA’
My belief is as long as the GRA 2004 is in place there can be no women’s rights that doesn’t include men. As long as there is a law that states men can change sex and become women any women’s rights/sports/single sex spaces/hospital wards/laws ie misogyny would have to include men.
If adults can change sex why wouldn’t a child think they too can change sex.
It’s my opinion, my choice but I am happy to listen to anyone who wants to change my mind about that fact.
https://www.nealehanvey.com/post/gender-reform-conflicts-with-women-s-rights-and-child-safeguarding
Hatey McHateface @ 9:50 am
“Does our Scottish government pass legislation that actively penalises the indigenous Scottish population”
What did you think a colonial administration was for, if not to oppress (‘haud-doun’) the people? Some examples:
Education policy permits Scotland’s elite universities to allocate most places to higher fee students from elsewhere, with few places left for aspiring natives;
Housing policy allows significant numbers of people from outside Scotland to purchase homes in Scotland, and for universities to provide thousands of student flats in our cities, resulting in inflated property prices and a housing crisis;
Scotland’s laws and courts ensure we have the highest prison population per capita in W. Europe;
Uncontrolled in-migration ‘crowds out’ the locals from access to already limited public services;
Applicants for the best jobs need only be able to speak English, an nae understanding o oor ain Scots langage is needed;
An Scots langage isnae taught tae bairns in the schuils;
Maintaining the colonial racket/plunder of the economy leaves the native people with a far lower GDP-per-capita, i.e. almost one third the level of our best performing neighbouring countries;
Energy-rich Scotland’s electricity price is four times higher than Norway;
etc etc etc……
Colonial oppression effectively becomes institutionalised in a colonial society, such that maist natives either expect it or dinnae e’en notice it.
https://bpb-us-w2.wpmucdn.com/wp.towson.edu/dist/b/55/files/2022/05/The-Socio-Political-Determinants-of-Scottish-Independence.pdf
Cheers Brian
I did actually watch Neale Hanvey’s entire speech in Westminster that he referred to in this you tube video.
I’m sure he’s a really nice hard working brilliant politician but I still believe you cannot support women’s rights as long as the GRA 2004 is in place
That is the point I found missing in Neale Hanvey’s speech.
Please feel free to post links to videos you might think I would find useful but please keep in mind I have done a fair amount of research into this subject.
Thank you
Labour openly threaten we keep Trident;, that a new nuclear power station will be forced on Scotland; in votes on independence “80%” must vote Yes; Scotland’s land reform is not a policy priority for Labour; say goodbye to any benefit from oil or gas, and our SHS will have to be reorganised to accept a degree of privatisation.
NO THANKS.
Gender Reform conflicts with women’s rights and child safeguarding
Neale Hanvey
He’s talking about Gender Reform I am talking about Gender Recognition.
I’ve noticed a lot of confusion on here regarding Gender Recognition and Gender Reform.
Self-id is already here
I could give you quite a few examples but I’ll stick with just one
Mr Idul Wadhwa
For those still thinking about voting Unionist, something else to consider, what will the parties take from that? Whatever rises from the SNP (because the SNP will not die, there will always be something left) will look at increased votes for labour and conclude “Oh, lots of independence supporters voted for Labour, we should maybe be more Unionist”.
As I said in my earlier comment, I haven’t made my mind up if I’m SNP or spoiling my ballot (due to a lack of options), but it baffles me that people are still seriously considering voting for a Unionist party. You’ve thrown out your independence principle, and then you’ve decided that you don’t care about women either. So why are you voting Labour? Purely because you hate the SNP and would prefer to restore a Unionist hegemony? Madness.
I’m with you on your stance, Ruby. There is one party that wants to repeal the GRA 2004, and that is The Party of Women. Unfortunately, they have no candidates in Scotland. I am also 100% behind you on your statement that, if that Act is not repealed, women and girls are still wide open to predation by unscrupulous conmen – and I mean them all.
I listened to a video the other day of an AGP weeping and blubbing out how painful it was to have the condition, until, halfway through, he let slip that he had consumed acres of p**n, had actually fed this sexual addiction. Unless people get their heads round the fact that all of these men are chancers and con artists whose whole l.ives are dedicated to their sexual addictions – and they are addictions, which they have no desire to end – this is never going to go away and female rights will continue to be under constant threat.
I intend to spoil (or repurpose) my ballot paper with two protests – one against the Union and the other against the GRA 2004. I hope that we will have candidates for the Party of Women by the next GE, if we are still in the same mess after 2026 and the SE, because going into independence without repeal of that Act and of its reform, will mean voting ourselves into oblivion. I want independence: I don’t want a Scottish cage with men in frocks and lippy poking sticks at me with “I’m a woman” carved on them.
All you decent men out there, get the message through to these deviants; they are your sex, not ours, and neither we, nor our children, are not responsible for their vomit-inducing, self-inflicted sexual addictions or for their welfare. We are human beings in our own right, and nobody’s handmaidens.
Ruby Tuesday,
You may have noticed that I have a problem in viewing many laws being passed as “Scots Laws” by a rolled down devolved parliament in Scotland whilst it is under the auspices of Westminster/ uk legislation and Statues.
If it is under UK legislation and statues that means it is not a Scottish parliament,
And under the Uk Westminster parliament , which Scotland does not hold a treaty with, but only with the old parliament of England,
The hate crime bill and the gender recognition cuts right through everyone “Private rights” in Scotland, that was agreed to and are aarticle of the treaty of union, as does having a secondary parliament in Scotland according to the treaty of union,
People in Scotland must decide if this a Scottish parliament which would “breach the treaty of union” Or a branch parliament of the Westminster UK parliament which is not in a treaty of union with Scotland,
I do not see how there is any wriggle room to qualify legally calling these laws being passed as Scots laws if the parliament cannot be a Scottish parliament, but is under UK parliament as a subsiduary to UK parliament,
It certainly is a conundrum that Scotland has not payed any attention to.
@ Ruby Tuesday
You are right, Ruby.
Gender dysphoria has surged. In Ireland part of the cause is the experience of children who have been in Romanian orphanages. Another group of children with gender dysphoria in ireland is that of autistic childen.
Long ago I put up a link to an Irish Times article stating this.
Gender dysphoria should be treated by being neutral on changing gender (sex) while providing mental health support. Often, on reaching puberty children affected by gender dysphoria desist from the wish to change gender (sex).
The Labour Party is in denial about this reality, saying it will ban conversion therapy. That, depending on the drafting, might catch mental health support.
Willie Rennie came to my door last night asking if they could count on my vote for Wendy Chamberlain. It is the first time EVER that a party has chapped my door in the run up to an election.
I told him frankly I didn’t trust any of the main parties to protect women’s rights – especially as none of them seem capable of defining what a woman is, and that no, the libdems would not be getting my vote because of it. He did appear to have backtracked to somne degree on his original stance on this topic though saying if they had the vote on the GRR bill now he would vote against it. I still don’t trust any of them.
I told him imo the problem is none of them ever consider the long term consequences of the laws they make and the GRR was a prime example.
I also told him the libdem stance on refusing to even consider independence was a no -no.
It’s a Lib dem / SNP fight here. I can’t in all conscience vote for either, especially knowing the SNP candidate. There is no independence candidate standing so it looks like a #notmyunion spoiled vote from me.
Lorna Campbell.
Are they Scots law though?
Because the cut right across “private Rights” , Scotland only, in the treaty of union,
Cuts through the treaty of Union, article of being only (One Parliament Of Great- Britain)
And drives a hammer through Scots laws were to remain the same ..
UK parliament of Westminster is abolishing the treaty of Union article by article and it started that process when it dissolved the Scottish parliament from the treaty of Union in 1707,
If Scottish women are genuine in reinstating their private rights, and Scots law, they must and could make a good case to challenge it through the treaty of union.
Which either stands as valid or collapses.
They cannot have their cake and eat it,
Nobody I want to vote for in Stirling and Strathallan. Alyn Smith SNP – only interested in the EU (of which he is already a citizen through his marriage). No thanks. I will spoil my ballot paper #End the Union. Am trying to persuade others to do likewise.
“SCOTLAND’S voice “simply doesn’t matter to Westminster” – John Swinney
Beware! A rant is being presented! And I’m invoking my right to use profanity to emphasise my outrage over this matter.
Scotland’s MPs are the sole formal representatives of the entire sovereign Scottish half of the Union’s two sovereign kingdoms in the Union’s parliament, and as such they owe no obeisance whatsoever of any sort to England or to England’s MPs. Scotland’s MPs ARE the sole voice of Scotland in the Union, wielding a full half of the Union’s sovereignties, SO OF COURSE ITS VOICE FUCKING MATTERS TO WESTMINSTER!
It’s just that England’s establishment would far rather it didn’t, and goes to great lengths to silence, diminish, or subvert it.
That England’s MPs are entirely comfortable with completely ignoring the voice of their only sovereign partner in the Union, and without which there would be no bloody Union, is entirely down to Scotland’s FUCKING MPs NOT MAKING THEIR SOVEREIGN FUCKING VOICES FUCKING MATTER! Bloody well stand up for us you useless wankers, that’s the entire precise point of the job you are bloody well there and bloody well paid to do!
The critical failure of Scotland’s MPs for three centuries has been their total ignorance of their true authority in the Union’s parliament. They are NOT in the least obliged to submit to any decision made by England’s MPs because those MPs represent an entirely different country from Scotland, and one which, just like every other country on the entire planet, possesses no formal authority over Scotland whatsoever!
Scotland’s MPs do not defer to the MPs of any other country on the planet, and nobody would expect them to, so what is it about England that uniquely justifies and formally commands such deference from Scotland’s MPs?
Nothing! Literally nothing whatsoever! Nothing inherent to England or its sovereignty commands it. If England’s sovereignty already outranked Scotland’s, then there was never any real need for a formal Treaty in the first place.
And there is nothing in the three founding documents of the Union that formally obliges Scotland and her MPs to submit to England and her MPs on any matter of Union governance. Nor is there any formal agreement between the two Treaty Principals for the use of the single flat majority voting mechanism in the Parliament’s main chamber for determining the outcomes of debates on legislative or other matters of their JOINT governance of the two territories of their Union.
That single flat vote inherently presumes that England’s tenfold greater MP numbers entitles them to real legal authority over Scotland’s MPs, and over Scotland itself. But that presumption is entirely bogus, because there is no constitutional basis for it, and, because it actively deprives Scotland’s MPs of any meaningful agency in the Union’s parliament, and thereby actively denies the very sovereignty of the entire Kingdom of Scotland as a full kingdom in its own right which, legally, it still is today, then that can only be constitutionally legitimate if there is a sodding formal agreement by both sodding kingdoms to that sodding effect in the sodding founding documents of the sodding fucking Union!
But there isn’t one. THERE IS NO SUCH AGREEMENT!
The authority of England’s MPs over Scotland and her MPs, as enforced by that non-agreed flat vote, is fundamentally fraudulent, unconstitutional, undemocratic, a major abuse of Scotland’s sovereignty, and outrageously unlawful, and constitutes a direct and egregious breach of the Treaty itself. There could hardly be a more serious breach!
Our MPs should be throwing chairs and trashing the carpets every time England’s MPs ignore Scotland’s formal voice in the Union’s parliament. They should be raising formal legal charges against Westminster for exceeding its authority as defined and delimited by the terms of the Treaty and Acts of Union it is legally bound by.
Scotland owns a full 50% of the sovereignties of the Union, and its representatives are fully entitled to wield it on their Kingdom’s behalf; SO BLOODY WELL EXERT IT, AND MAKE SURE THOSE SMUG OVER-ENTITLED ENGLISH WANKERS FEEL IT!
Andrew @ 12:56 pm
“it baffles me that people are still seriously considering voting for a Unionist party”
In the case of an oppressed people, a colonial administration masquerading as a national party is arguably a worse option than a Unionist (i.e. colonial) party based in the metropolitan capital. In order to protect its hypocritical position and hide its corrupt behaviour, the national party elite has a tendency to move closer to fascism, much as we see in its laws which further oppress the people and hold back the independence movement.
Mebbe better the deil ye ken, an wha ye can see.
what would you do in Flynn’s constituency Abdn south?
a host of weirdos reform, green, deselected green (independent but not indy or real yes anyway), family party and the usuals.
I ask as for Flynn is it more likely he becomes party leader in 2026/post-2026 if he’s in post at wm or not?
i.e. will they make give him a seat anyway in holyrood 2026 if he’s kicked out?
Alternatively if he’s not kicked out will he be not stand at Holyrood as he’s at WM? Or will he shift anyway?
And is a Flynn SNP leadership worse than say Forbes or are they all the same really?
Come on Stu,
What’s your opinion on voting Green or would an honest view have you up in front of the thought police
Xaracen @ 2:21 pm
“Our MPs…should be raising formal legal charges against Westminster for exceeding its authority as defined and delimited by the terms of the Treaty and Acts of Union it is legally bound by.”
Yes, Scotland’s MP’s and courts should have long since declared the Act of Union violated and hence no longer legally binding, i.e. ended.
Scotland’s three elected ‘nationalist’ majorities of SNP MP’s and our legal establishment has failed the people and country.
The last sentence below from the Teflon Don Swinney is Comedy Gold, infact anyone still taking the SNP or the Teflon Don seriously needs a reality check.
The SNP don’t give a toss about Scots, its all about getting re-elected. I recall Swinney saying years back at a SNP conference up North when Sturgeon the Judas was FM when asked about independence being on the conference agenda, he said to the person posing the question that they (indy supporters) could “Go and whistle”
Don’t vote for the SNP they are the major road blocked to dissolving this illegal union, unfortunately we’ll need to takes steps back in order to take steps forward again.
FIRST Minister John Swinney has made a “genuine and direct appeal” to Keir Starmer to reinstate his pledge to spend £28 billion a year on green policies.
“The SNP leader urged his Labour counterpart to “think again” about the commitment, with polls suggesting he will be the UK’s next prime minister by the end of next week.
It comes after a major U-turn in February saw Labour abandon its plans to spend £28 billion a year on environmental projects – with Starmer saying at the time his party had had to “readjust” its plans.
He added: “I would much rather be straight with the British public than make a promise I can’t keep.””
Xaracen: you are 100% spot on. If our elected representatives do not know this stuff, what does that say about them? Ignorant fools, at best, useless dregs at worst. Loathsome no marks, if they do know and still cheat us.
Xaracen @2.12pm.
You can bet your bottom dollar that the likes of Sturgeon the Judas, Yousaf and now Swinney know fine well about the Claim of Right or that Brexit broke the illegal Treaty of Union rules.
Ex-Welsh Carwyn Jones said he was amazed and surprised that Sturgeon did nothing about Brexit as it clearly broke the treaty.
The simple explanation is that consecutive SNP governments and their FM’s aren’t interested in achieving Scottish independence, that they’ve come to some arrangement with Westminster to keep the status quo intact and Scots poor and under the thumb of a foreign nation.
I mean its not as if a SNP government can’t act, they spent god knows how much pushing the GRRB and engaging expensive lawyers to fight Westminster’s S35, and they’ll spend much more paying the court costs, the same was applied to try and imprison Alex Salmond.
There are no indy parties at Holyrood now except maybe Ash Regan’s Alba and even there I’m not 100% sure about that.
Removing the SNP at every election GE, Holyrood, Council must be achieved if we’re to make any progress forward, yes we’ll suffer for years to come but we’re suffering now and have been for the last decade of SNP lies on indy, a reset of the dial is needed the SNP MUST fall for indy to rise again.
Meanwhile in other intersting news, the ICC has issued arrest warrants for Shoigu and Gerasimov:
On the basis of evidence collected and analysed by my Office pursuant to its independent investigations, the Pre-Trial Chamber has confirmed that there are reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Shoigu and General Gerasimov bear individual criminal responsibility for the following three crimes:
1) the war crime of directing attacks against civilian objects (article 8(2)(b)(ii) of the Rome Statute);
2) the war crime of causing excessive incidental harm to civilians or damage to civilian objects (article 8(2)(b)(iv) of the Rome Statute); and
3) the crime against humanity of inhumane acts under article 7(1)(k) of the Rome Statute.
The heids of aw the wee vatniks in here will be exploding.
Of course whether either individual will ever live long enough to face trial remains to be seen. Doubtless they’ll be staying away from windows and refusing the offer of tea from Uncle Vlad.
https://www.icc-cpi.int/news
Liz: the Lib Dems, like every other party, have manoeuvred themselves into a corner on ‘trans’ v female rights that they can’t get out of without upsetting the hordes of insane, mentally unstable and downright vicious TRAs. They are the real problem because use they back up the pathetic creatures that have convinced themselves they are ‘trans’. In order to have something to threaten women on, they need ‘trans’. I listened to a nurse who spoke on behalf of other nurses who are outraged by Keir Starmer’s statement that ‘transwomen’ should be allocated side rooms off the main female wards rather than place them in with women.
This nurse explained that, on her friends’ ward (a female ward), a woman who had had a kidney transplant should have been allocated a side room to keep her free of infection. It went, instead, to a ‘transwoman’ whose illness did not demand this isolation. The woman was placed in the main ward and picked up an infection, as the nurses had feared. She died. I have said that women and girls will die – but I meant by murder – but we are already dying through the pandering to this insane ideology for which not ONE IOTA of evidence exists. Plenty of evidence to show that they are sexual deviants and perverts. THIS is what women are dying for.
Lorna Campbell @ 1.04pm
“I intend to spoil (or repurpose) my ballot paper with two protests – one against the Union and the other against the GRA 2004.”
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I’ve been thinking of doing this too. I had thought it might be more meaningful to have a set phrase/single message to be used by everyone who wanted to spoil/repurpose their vote, but there doesn’t seem to have been any agreement on what that might be, so I might do this instead.
I can’t understand why there isn’t a party (other than the Party of Women) or independent saying they want to repeal the GRA. Is it just that they haven’t looked at the issue in any depth, and are simply unaware (which might be possible for a smaller party/individual, I suppose)? Or is it that, despite some nods to making some changes in certain areas, none of them really want to stop it?
It seems to be a right wing movement masquerading as a left wing movement – both ‘sides’ want it but are happy for it to be perceived as a wedge issue because they can both make weak statements about it to attract voters, but no matter who’s in power, as long as it remains unresolved, they both get what they want.
It’s quite telling that Reform UK, for example, doesn’t have it as a manifesto commitment. You’d think it’d be a really easy vote winner for them. I’d doubt anyone considering voting for them would be put off by it, so why be so restrained about it? It’s not draconian, lots of people would see it as sensible and meaningful. It would also be an easy message to get across.
They all seem to be skirting round the edges. Maybe they just don’t want to draw attention to the relatively simple steps which would resolve the issue: repeal the GRA 2004; clearly define ‘sex’ in any and all related laws as biological, natal sex; and make same sex provisions a requirement that ‘has’ to be offered by law, rather than ‘can’ be offered. This election is unlikely to return a parliament which would enact these things anyway, but I don’t think any of them are even talking about taking these steps, and I find that in itself quite worrying.
Roll on July 18th where it is hoped by many that European Commission President U-rsula vo-n der Le-yen will be replaced, the last five years of her tenure have been the worst in the EU’s history. We’ll know what direction the EU will be moving in if she is re-elected.
“Meanwhile in other intersting news, the ICC has issued arrest warrants for Shoigu and Gerasimov:”
Ellis
And in M-os-cow they’ll be laughing their arses -off at the ICC, why?
Well no arrest warrants issued for Net-an–yahu and G-alla-nt for committing g-en-oci-de in G-a–z–za, but a quick as you like warrant issued for Poott–in.
Then there’s the Gr–ea-t S-at-an, who sanctioned IC-C staff and threatened them if they continued to investigate (US) wa-r crimes, the G-rea-t S-at-an in its delusional state reserves the right to invade the IC-C and rescue any American or allies from ICC justice.
So forgive me if I don’t quite take the IC-C’s latest utterings as anything but Western rhetoric.
Only the West’s shibboleth takes the IC-C seriously, whilst slapping it down if it decides to investigate any of their wa-r crimes.
lol @ “I intend to spoil (or repurpose) my ballot paper with two protests – one against the Union and the other against the GRA 2004.”
The repurposers never explain why they don’t want to use their votes to punish those responsible for GRA, keeping us in the Union, etc.
It’s really just a senseless act of virtue-signalling. Voting gives you a molecule of influence and you’re going to squander it. Well done.
Scotlands vote matters not even a molecule ,no influence whatsoever, we always get what our neighbour chooses.
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For the first time in my long life I contemplated not voting, however I have repurposed and posted – end the union.
Shoigu moved from being a construction foreman to a Minster of Something. Ends up as Deconstruction Foreman of a foreign independent state.
Yevgeny had it in for him – destroying his Wagner concert party.
Now, defence is run by an economist and Shoigu is Secy of Security Council. Been a big chum of VP.
Having lost many of their trucks, now hard to supply front. In 5th different fleet. Generations face shorter survival time. Last one, 5 months.
Lanchester attrition looms.
Hatuey @ 4.28pm
My candidates are: Lib Dems; an independent from the new political party Edinburgh People (currently polling at <1%); SGP; Tory; Labour; SNP; Reform UK.
I'd be genuinely interested to hear your suggestion for the best way to use my vote to "punish those responsible for GRA, keeping us in the Union, etc'" with those options.
THE MASTER IS DISAPPOINTED IN HIS DISCIPLE by Najwan Darwish
(Translated from the Arabic into English by Kareem James Abu-Zeid)
As I was emerging from the rubble
I caught a glimpse of you leaving
on the ("Tractor" - Ed)s’ train.
You weren’t in one of the first-class cars.
Even in betrayal
you couldn’t make the grade.
(From ‘Exhausted on the Cross’, NYRB / POETS, New York Review Books, 2021)
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BRISEADH-DÙIL A’ MHAIGHSTIR MUN DEISCIOBAL le Najwan Darwish
Is mise ag èirigh às an lèirsgrios
fhuair mi fàth dhìots a’ fàgail
air trèana nam brathadairean.
Cha b’ e carbad ciad inbhe a bh’ ann.
Fiù ’s nad fheall
cha do ràinig thu àrd-ìre.
(Gàidhlig le FMF)
I was on X (twitter) today – I wasn’t an SNP subscriber but X sent me a John Swinney GayPrideTrannie thingy (Swinney wearing a corresponding multi-coloured alphahbet people T-shirt) – had to actually block the SNP X-Twit account because that devo party is absolutely a fkd IP and I don’t wish to hate them any more than I do now.
I’ve accepted indy is off the cards in my life-time but must the SNP-gay-trannie party just keep on keeping on committing political suicide day after day after day… ?
This drubbing in the coming Brit election was inevitable – they’re shte. I had lots of SNPy folk calling me this, that and the next thing last year (and upto end of April) for stating that the SNP was heading for a disaster – they’ve shut up now.
It’s a hard knock life – especially when the Scottish Gay-Trans Pride Party is the incompetent mess it is. The woke-trans backlash has begun and the SNP marrying its fortunes to the weird and the perverse will disappear, die and hopefully allow another indy party to arrise. They’ve been shte since Sturgeon took over and they’re still shte – thus we can reliably expect electoral death in by the next Holyrood elections.
I am with Ruby TUESDAY re Neale Hanvey, Neale is a politician and we all know what politicians do with words when they want ELECTED,
I also thought that Neale and others within ALBA were OPPOSED to the GRA BUT if you read ALBA’S policies on the GRA, it is ONLY that they are OPPOSED to the CURRENT GRA as NOT being fit for purpose, THEY are eager to re-negotiate the GRA so that it encapsulates everyone in a fair and just manner, so although they STATE that they want to respect the safety and security of WOMEN they ALSO want to respect and include the proven NOT most put upon group of liars, perverts and deviants that have committed OPEN VIOLENCE on WOMEN
I am DISGUSTED and extremely DISAPPOINTED that a party that I thought was formed with integrity and honesty in mind and at the forefront of what WE needed, has turned into just another shower of snake oil peddlers using manipulative weasel WORDS to AVOID telling the truth
If I am WRONG ask yourself WHY a COMMITTED FEMALE ACTIVIST IN REAL LIFE AND POLITICS and an EXTREMELY FAIR and empathetic person who has independence and socialism at the very centre of her HEART, elected to head a EQUALITIES group would SUDDENLY find that her CONSCIENCE would FORCE HER TO RESIGN from that group,her position and ultimately her MEMBERSHIP of the party
https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/kenny-mcbride-v-scottish-government
Moixx, the formula is simple for independence supporters; vote for the candidate most likely to defeat the SNP. If the SNP is unlikely to win anyway, who cares what you vote for?
There are very good and compelling reasons for doing everything possible to hurt the SNP — it’s not just about punishment.
The main reason is we want to get them out of the way so that we can build something new. We can’t do that with them sitting there, configured as they are.
Nobody knows what will come out of the cosmic dust cloud, but that uncertainty is better and more promising than the certainty that the SNP will do nothing.
Another important reason is that we need to set an example for politicians in the future — fuck around and find out…
@ twathater
It’s a fucking mystery why so many folk seem so insular and obsessed with the genderwoowoo. Pity they aren’t more bothered and focused on external matters pertaining to wider society’s everyday existence.
I was recently snapped out of the trance like state of endlessly wondering about my gender identity and whether I should cut my genitals off or get additional ones fitted. I was driving at the time and it dawned on me whilst I was waiting at a road junction I could no longer safely pull out of, because the insanity of re-wilding ideology seems to involve not cutting back vegetation on roadsides so the visual splay is reduced to the point you can’t see other vehicles approaching and judge in you have time to pull away from a junction in a safe manner conducive to adhering to the guidance contained in the pages of the highway code.
This epiphany kicked off a chain of events that better serves my fellow denizens of society than me dwelling overly on customising my genitalia.
Over the past few years I’ve had more broken strimmers handed into me by neighbours than I have testicles and tits, and decided that on balance due to most of my female neighbours being ancient or gay (or both), that my time would be more productive and beneficial to my community if I sorted a couple of strimmers and cut back the vegetation around road junctions with compromised visibility, rather than attempting to drink enough alcohol that would get me to a state of thinking shagging ancient gay women is a sensible and realistic proposition to aim for.
So the upshot of this is I quickly sorted a couple of strimmers and headed out and spent 15 mins giving them a test drive whacking down the grass and weeds and making the road junction a great deal safer for all who use it.
I’m actually thinking of guerilla adoption of several local problem road junctions and stealth maintaining them seeing as the local council are fucking useless and spent what little money they have making new ID cards with preferred pronouns for all their staff, instead of buying a few gallons of petrol for one of their staff to run a strimmer.
Maybe I’ll hang a wee money box on a fence post at these junctions and road users appreciative of the much improved safer road environs can make a small donation…
Hatuey @ 7.08pm
So, to “punish those responsible for GRA, keeping us in the Union, etc” I should vote Labour, (which polling says will win comfortably in my area anyway)?
Labour, who brought in the GRA (and are clearly set to wildly expand it as soon as they get in) and who have done and will continue to do everything they can to keep us in the union?
Thanks for your reply, and I fully understand the arguments for getting completely rid of the SNP, but I really couldn’t bear to vote for Labour which I have no doubt at all will do so much damage in 5 years that it might be irreparable.
@Alf Baird says:25 June, 2024 at 2:26 pm
“the national party elite has a tendency to move closer to fascism, much as we see in its laws which further oppress the people and hold back the independence movement”
Ah yes, the poor, oppressed people.
Since the lifting of the Covid restrictions, everybody has known this GE was happening – not the precise month obviously, but sometime in 2024.
For all of that time, absolutely nothing has stood in the way of the “independence movement” making this a plebiscitary election on Scottish Indy. Not fascism, not oppression, nothing.
Nothing, other than apathy and fear.
Face it, Alf, you don’t need to invoke fascism and oppression when apathy and fear suffices to explain it all.
@Andy Ellis says: 25 June, 2024 at 3:41 pm
At the recent St Petersburg International Economic Forum (the Orc’s equivalent to Davos), two of the keynote speakers were the spawn of Orc #1 himself. Yet nobody there dares to say aloud what everybody knows – these privilege and pampered women, who are being groomed for high office, are Pres Poot’s daughters.
Another major speaker at the event is the daughter of Shoigu – the former defence minister and current Orc security council secretary.
They even have a phrase for this kind of nepotism in Orc Central, the “rise of the princess”.
Astonishing that this kind of neo-Tsarist, dynastic royalty goes without a mention by yon republican boy who can’t spell “Scotland” right, while he posts endless bleatings about our own voting freedoms.
But that’s truth for you – always stranger than fiction.
Is the Secretary of State Against Scotland lying or not? We know what Tories are good at, and its not telling the truth.
“ALISTER Jack has claimed he won more than £2000 betting on the date of the General Election.
Jack, a multi-millionaire who as Scottish Secretary had a place in the Tory Cabinet, told the BBC he had won £2100 after betting on a June or July election just after Rishi Sunak called the vote for July 4.
The BBC reported that he had further claimed one of the bets was placed at odds of 25/1.
However, last week, he told the BBC the comments were a “joke”.
Now, he has released a statement saying he did not place any bets on the date of the General Election “during May”.
“I am very clear that I have never, on any occasion, broken any Gambling Commission rules”, Jack said.
“I did not place any bets on the date of the General Election during May – the period under investigation by the Gambling Commission.
“Furthermore, I am not aware of any family or friends placing bets. I have nothing more to say on this matter.””
@Dan says:25 June, 2024 at 7:46 pm
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again, even though you seem to think I’m taking the piss.
You’re exactly the sort we need in politics in Scotland.
These b*stards must be held to account, but we all know they won’t be.
“The UK Government had destroyed an estimated £1.4 billion worth of personal protective equipment (PPE).The items, which were all acquired by the Tory government in a single deal during the pandemic, have been destroyed or written off, it is understood.
Figures published by the BBC showed there were at least 1.57 billion items of PPE provided by Northamptonshire supplier Full Support Healthcare that will never be used.
“£1.4bn on one contract, paying for PPE that was never used, and Rishi Sunak’s fingerprints are all over it.
“That is money that could have been used to pay the salaries of 37,000 NHS nurses.
a series of Freedom of Information (FOI) Act requests to NHS Supply Chain.
The responses showed that of the 2.02 billion items of PPE provided by Full Support Healthcare, only 232 million items have been dispatched to the NHS or other care settings.
It is understood about 749 million items have already been burned or destroyed, while a further 825 million are classified as excess stock.
According to the report, the government had previously estimated about £85 million worth of PPE secured under the contract would not be used.
The BBC understands that at least £100m of additional public money has been spent on storing and incinerating the excess stock since its purchase.
The company struck a £1.78bn deal with the government to supply face masks, aprons, eye protection and respirators in April 2020.
According to the BBC report, this was the largest Covid-19 PPE order, accounting for 13% of the government’s total spend.
In January, DHSC accounts revealed some £9.9bn of the £13.6bn spent on PPE had been written off as some items were defective or not suitable, while others will not be used before their expiry date.
An accountability report by the National Audit Office (NAO) said that the department plans to dispose of “nearly all” of its current PPE stock held in warehouses and containers.”
Moixx, you thanked me for my reply but didn’t seem to read it.
I said if the SNP is expected to lose anyway, nobody cares what you do. Do you want me to pretend voting is some sort of sacred act or something?
If your primary goal is independence, the only possible scenario where your vote might matter is one where you use it to hurt the SNP. Nothing outside of that matters because nothing outside of that leads to independence.
Only when the SNP is a smouldering pile of ashes can any progress be made towards independence. That isn’t some rhetorical or abstract idea — it is a concrete truth.
I can’t wait to see Nicola’s face on the election programme when the SNP crash
The question is will the MSM be gentle on her and blame Salmond, Humza, Swinney or Murrell.
How they treat her will be a reflection of them seeing her coming back to do more damage. Is she the plant??
The Alister Jack statement that he did not bet on the election date in May indicates that he placed the bet in June.
If only the opposition, the plebs or the police were capable of asking questions and nailing the bar steward.
Did you place a bet on the election at anytime Mr Jack.
The poor man will need to bribe the gambling commission now and give the winnings to charity just in case.
One will just need to live off one’s millions after this near miss.
@ John Main
I thought that by posting on this site we are already and continue to be active in politics, as we are able to float new ideas and initiatives that could be picked up on and become policy, whilst also critiquing the current political paradigm with all its flaws in existing policies and narratives we endure.
Admittedly my previous post was a bit of a rambling screed but that’s down to re-hydrating with a quick cider after traipsing around my locale chapping on some doors to speak to folk and work out just how many thousands of election leaflets have been delivered to the wrong constituency due to a screw up.
It’s quite something when Yodel out perform Royal Mail, because even though my last ebay purchase of a new old stock inlet manifold gasket was delivered 5 days late, Yodel at least delivered to the correct address, fuck sake Royal Mail couldn’t even deliver to the right constituency…
Anyway I digress…
In amongst it all I like to think I still cover some basic sensible ideas and call out some of the insanity of continuing with the current shambolic state of affairs.
If some oddball wants to sport their pronouns on their person then why don’t they jist make a badge themselves. Be brave and stunning and get all arts and crafty and fashion their own unique plastic pronoun badge out of an old yogurt pot and coloured sweetie wrappers to enlighten and impress their friends and work colleagues.
In these perilous times of planet armageddon and austerity there’s jist no need to be going full on industrial scale with plastic melting in a high energy intensive process to produce pronoun badges for everyone on this rock floating in space.
Talking of trashing the planet, did we ever learn where and how Robin McAlpine travelled to a holiday destination that required Factor 50 sunscreen.
I have staycations these days because living a more sustainable life to compensate for all the virtue signalling eco-wankers it means I need to be near home to tend and eat produce from my veg and fruit garden. TBH 36 strawberry plants was probably a bit overkill for one person as struggling to chomp my way through aw the fruit at the moment, though the neighbours seem happy enough to be getting a punnet handed to them every day.
Anyway, defo feeling a bit tired and weary tonight. Ach, maybe it’s just the adrenaline from nearly getting killed on my motorbike at the weekend due to not one but two dullards in their cars pulling out in front of me in a pincer move across my lane. Aye, straight road with clear view, biker riding at 30mph with lights on, and both these near brain dead cunts can’t see a vehicle with right of way coming towards them about 30 yards away. They both eventually notice and brake to a stop, encroaching a few feet into either side of my lane and I managed to thread the needle and come to a stop in the 4 foot gap between their two bonnets. Naturally a rake of fucks were given to both
driversimbeciles sitting in the driver seats.But at least I was luckier than the poor biker who got killed on the A9 30 minutes earlier.
Always strive to drive a bit better folks.
Hatuey @ 9.19pm
I did read your reply, as well as your original comments. You think we should vote for any candidate that’s in a position to completely get rid of the SNP and that this will clear the way to independence. That’s fair enough, but to me it’s only a part of what’s needed.
I think we also need to resolve the gender issue, because until that happens we won’t be getting independence – ever. Even if the SNP is wiped out, the exact same problem will come up with any other pro-independence Party (or whatever vehicle), the rot will set in and we’ll just see it all happening again.
That’s just my opinion, but it’s also what I’ve taken from all the WoS articles posted on here over many years now, which have looked at the issue in depth.
Coca cola pays for the Palestinian war. Its the real thing man.
“It’s tempting to stay at home and contribute to what may be a very low turnout figure, but as noted above that’s a distinction without a meaningful difference, and the impulse to indicate democratic willing by at least showing up to the polling station to let them know they’re all scumbags is a strong one.)”
Ach I dunno so much.. John Nicolson cried his wee eyes oot for months after GE2017. He kept blaming a low turnout cost him his job to anyone who’d listen LOL
Moixx
The gender issue is a direct instruction from the USA for all of its wee puppet regimes around Europe to adopt.
The UK won’t escape it until someone “man’s up” & tells them to GTF.
I’ve been following some EU commentary of late & Hungry seems to have let slip this directive & one he is pushing back on along with a few other more religious/conservative countries.
It confirmed to me what I’d always suspected – this is deliberate sabotage. No way was this TRA shit a grassroots movement. It appeared from nowhere & with instant results at cancelling ppl & to introduce new laws.
Neale Harvey is a top bloke & is a tireless MP – not just on indy matters bringing forth debates & seeking legal opinion on international law at Westminster & joining indy debates with Alba wee book etc but also for his constituents too where he secured refunds of money owed to them. See link below for a full list..
He’s also very approachable on social media & will respond to concerns. Not just tweet shit & leave like so many other MPs do.
https://www.centralfifetimes.com/news/24012417.neale-hanvey-mp-recovers-105-000-constituents/
Sorry Ruby but I’ve never heard him ever say “trans women are women” & he stands with Billboard Chris on the dangers of gender ideology.
I wish he was my MP. I’d vote for him without any hesitation whatsoever & I hope he keeps his seat especially after the SNP tried every trick in the book to try prevent him standing last time & he won it as an independent. Go Neale!!
On July the 5th, nobody in Scotland will care what the turnout was. Nobody will care what a few emotional fools wrote on their wasted ballot papers. Nobody will care about the principled angels who squandered their votes on candidates that have no chance of winning.
On July the 5th, Scottish politics will be dominated by one thing: the historic collapse in support for the SNP. You’re all invited.
You’re also invited to the discussions on what we do next which will inevitable take place as the SNP falls apart. It’s a pity some of you are so easily distracted by bullshit and won’t help us get there as fast as we would like, but I promise I won’t hold that against you.
Sturgeon’s SNP has been smothering Scottish politics and the independence movement for 10 years. On July the 5th, we start breathing again.
Nobody is ready for the electricity and excitement that will surge through the veins of the independence movement when the SNP dies.
That’s what this election is about; that and nothing else.
On July 5th fuck all will change for Scots.
The SNP will still be in power at Holyrood & a fuckwit English party will still be in power at Westminster.
@ Hatuey
” Another important reason is that we need to set an example for politicians in the future — fuck around and find out…”
Good point , H .
And when people say ….” aye , but what’s going to replace them will be just as bad – possibly worse ” tell them ….” we know , and the same thing will happen to them if/when they abandon everything they said pre-election and instead attempt to inflict outrageous policies we NEVER voted for on us ” .
The ” record-beating ” rapid decline of the SNP should be a warning to any Party/MP/MSP that thinks people can be treated like lumpen vote-fodder indefinitely .
Notable that all the * progressive * Rainbow Worriers are completely silent on the release of J Assange , just as they have been completely silent during the long years of his State imprisonment & psychological torture for telling the truth about the degenerates who govern us . Then again , this shameful silence has been the ( non ) response of just about the entire Political Class . Including ALBA .
Once again , that Party has wasted an opportunity to ” kick against the pricks ” and display some desperately needed independence of thought from the warped ,suffocating NeoCon agenda .
Silence = Complicity .
I see the Axis Of Arseholes – Mainellis -is back dribbling it’s laughable Poundland Propaganda .
Main’s resolve to display his hate-filled ignorance at all times strengthened by his latest visit to the Busby Front , where his cadre of retired traffic wardens have been involved in a ferocious rearguard action against Commie double-parkers n Maoist red-light-defiers . Slava Eastern Kilbride !
” Vast Majority ” #ASKANDY Ellis has also been busy , in his case trying to formulate a new phrase/insult to add to his existing mental libary of three – so far , unsuccessfully . Ach well , can’t be easy learning anything new when you already know everything .
@ Robert Hughes says:26 June, 2024 at 6:41 am
“I see the Axis Of Arseholes – Mainellis -is back dribbling it’s laughable Poundland Propaganda”
You should have been there yourself. You might have even enjoyed some of it. You could have kept your undoubted scorn for us “90 minute patriots” to yourself, and just tried to have a good time.
If you want to deal with any of the facts Andy and myself presented in yesterday’s posts, fill your boots.
If you just want to hurl childish insults like the frustrated loser you come across as, then that works too, just not in the way you intend.
Sure, the SNP is going down on July 4th.
And sure, whatever comes after, you will have no part in it.
You and your ilk had your ten years to make Indy work. You blew it. There’s no second chance.
@Hatuey says:26 June, 2024 at 1:49 am
“You’re also invited to the discussions on what we do next which will inevitable take place as the SNP falls apart”
Gee, thanks.
The disgraceful, fraudulent crowning of Yousaf as FM of Scotland, the rejection of Regan and her Plebiscitary Elections plan, followed by her defection to Alba, were the multiple starting guns for the campaign that should have been culminating two weeks tomorrow with the election of a majority of Independents for Indy, sworn to starting the talks on the dissolution of the Union.
Instead … SFA. And Scottish Labour – Yay! We’re safely back home in our traditional comfort zone.
“electricity and excitement that will surge through the veins of the independence movement”
Aye, right.
But be feart not. As long as Rev Stu keeps this going, we can all continue to post vitriolic and sometimes even mildly persuasive mince BTL.
Whilst doing that stereotypical Scottish thing – looking to left and right to see if somebody else is going to put their heid above the parapet and do something.
Go on … do something … you first …
I look forward to the SNP getting thumped. Because of their cynical t(reache)ry they deserve to get thumped. FFS, there’s an Independence March in Bannockburn and these narcissistic cockshites are miles away at a Pride March. A few miles away? On a different planet more like.
However, I rather suspect when it happens, it’ll be like the quote from the Sink the Bismark movie… “I thought I’d be cheering, sir, at this point, but I’m afraid I can’t.”
These c*!$ts have thrown away Scotland’s Independence when it lay in the palm of our hands, then parade themselves at a Pride March. C*!$ts! C*!$ts! C*!$ts!
The SNP won’t curl up and die, it will bitch and winge like a spoiled brat, abdicate all responsibility for the absolute catastrophe they’ve presided over, and put superhuman effort into blaming the true Independence Supporters, the living “victims” of SNP t(reach)ery.
There won’t be any joy when the smoke clears. But there might be evidence of justice, and perhaps a lesson or two for professional gravy slurpers once their political careers are heaved onto the bonfire. That’s the only progess on offer at this election.
Breeks , I mind an Ayrshire Labour MP/MSP who lost his seat and was for ever given media time to whinge , I believe he was demanding a recount , terrible thing is I can’t remember his name only the irritation of seeing him on telly too many times.
I am thinking Scotland will hear that low , pulsating whine from the SNP MPs quite soon , and it will be cause for cheers not irritation.
I am not a fan of Alex Jones but this is a brilliant analysis of why we are on the brink of WW3 by kimdotcom. Very smart guy, can’t recommend it enough.
“I haven’t done any interview in years and this may be my last one as the world is on the brink of nuclear war. Here’s why we are facing the abyss.”
https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1805322917645107481
Have you ever heard him say they aren’t?
What difference does it make if men self-id or are diagnosed as ‘trans’ by a doctor.
They are still going to be a risk to the safety, privacy & dignity of women & girls.
The total madness at the root of all this is the idea that men can change sex.
Joanna Cherry, Kemi Badenock, Neale Hanvey are all going along with the idea that men can change sex.
They are saying that transwomen are women if the doctor says so.
Gender self-id.
Whether you celebrate this as a milestone for equality, deplore it or don’t give a fig, Wings BTL should stop kidding people on that it was under Sturgeon the SNP became a party of sexual reforms.
It happened under Alex Salmond’s domination of the SNP. It’s the same woke neo-liberal “equality” agenda that the SNP continued under Sturgeon etc.
It’s also under Alex Salmond’s control that Alba has been purged of women’s rights defenders and anyone else who objects to Salmond’s abuses of power.
I won’t be voting in England’s Imperial Parliament election. It’s England who decides our imperial masters anyway.
@Mac says:26 June, 2024 at 8:20 am
According to widely available online information, the states controlling nuclear weapons are China, France, Roossia, UK, USA, India, NK, Pakistan and Is-ra-el.
As far as I am aware, there is only one of these states threatening to use its nuclear weapons in a war of imperialist, militarist, colonialist expansion, and we all know which state that is.
I don’t necessarily object to people wanting us to cave to any state rattling its nuclear sabre. But it would be good if those in favour of capitulation would outline what it would mean for us all.
After all, the annexation of Eastern Europe in pursuit of some fantasy of historical inevitability is not going to benefit Scotland in any way whatsoever, eh?
And as for Scottish Independence in that scenario, don’t make me laugh.
Far better to get with the program animating the West, Europe and the EU we Scots supposedly all wish to join, and help push the Orcs back into their own country.
It’s not as if they are lacking in lebensraum or resources in there, eh?
@Ruby
“They are saying that transwomen are women if the doctor says so.”
I don’t know what they – Badenoch, Cherry, Hanvey- say, Ruby.
If men and women undergo surgical procedures of their bodies to undergo sex changes I think I might be willing to accept they have changed sex by way of surgery.
Changing “identity” by the will of an individual is a stupid, dangerous idea and policy to enable that is laughable,harmful. You are right to point to that as the root of the problem.
This is a cultural phenomenon that is likely to wane and vanish in time. Meantime, a lot of standing up for women’s rights needs to be done.
Keep looking out for Mr Idul. What happens to ERCC is going to be interesting.
Labour to ban conversion therapy. next up for battle.
@Hatey McHateface 9.58 am
It must rip the knitting of aw the wee nativists and vatniks, particularly the coterie infecting BTL comments here, that the vast majority of ordinary Scots are fully behind the total defeat of Uncle Vlad & his nice bunch of lads.
Other than in this place, you never hear such opinions in the real world, and of course it’s hardly surprising that the vast majority of them determinedly retain their anonymous online personas, because they know the public ridicule and opprobrium they’d be subject to for coming out with this kind of appeasement of naked, imperialist aggression.
Even their poster boy RoS, who is or was purportedly an Alba member, has consistently refused to “go public”, doubtless because he knows his views are about as popular as a fart in a sauna.
The only long term solution to the war in the east is not just the defeat of Uncle Vlad & his Orc mates, which means the total withdrawal of the Orcs from all of the territory they invaded including Crimea, the payment of suitable reparations just as German did after WW2, War Crimes trials for those responsible, but ultimately the destruction of the Federation itself as a clear and present danger to world peace.
Muscovy should be shorn of all it’s imperial possessions: this should hardly be an exceptional view for Scottish nationalists. There is no justification for Muscovite rule over anything east of the Urals, any more than there was for their imperial control of the former republics in Central Asia and the Caucasus.
The destruction of the last empire is overdue.
Bumping these two articles a week before the election in the hope that plenty Aberdeen North constituents wise up.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-two-kirstys/
https://wingsoverscotland.com/kirsty-blackmans-genitals/
And bumping this one for Perth and Kinross-shire constituents as a reminder that continually electing someone to kick the Union to bits whilst they’re wearing comfy slippers is not an effective strategy.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/orthodox-pete/
Sally Hughes is the independent pro-indy candidate standing in the Perth and Kinross-shire constituency, so she offers the option to start afresh and usher in a much needed new era of representation for the area, ridding us of the current scourge and stagnation of Party dominated politics.
As one who is utterly disgusted by the state of things in the UK Politically, I firmly believe the starting point for any meaningful change is to both dump those currently in power (Tory, SNP, Lab in Wales) and deny the opposition (Lab, LD, Green) any votes, as they are equally complicit in the shambles we currently suffer.
Spoiling ballots or refusal to vote solves nothing, as one cannot affect any change by this method. Unless of course one is so disgusted by the choices offered that it is impossible to choose – in which case, it is the right thing to do. All that happens however is the tubthumping supporters of “them” (the assorted political miasma of ConDemLabSnipGreen shit) will make sure they get their votes in, so they end up by default with more seats and more of a say – which is absolutely not what we want.
Having studied the manifestos – not the keech leaflets pushed through the door, the actual facts – I will be voting for a “minority” party. And if enough do that, they will not be “minority” any longer and we will see change.
My conscience will be clear. I refuse to vote for a party that embraced fascism, locked the population away and put the fear of God into them whilst having behind-the-scenes piss ups (Tories). I refuse to vote for a party that last time round absolutely jumped both the economy and public finances whilst taking the hell out of the population and embracing the Green fascism crap (Labour). I refuse to vote for a party that, despite its name, is neither “liberal” nor “democratic” (LD). I refuse to vote for a party that has made an utter arse of health, education, transport in Scotland whilst bizarrely claiming to be “on our side” and can’t accept accept a bloke in the wig is not and never will be a “woman” (SNP). I refuse to vote for a party that is fascist, believes in total state control, wants to severely restruct my freedoms, take my job away and generally make life miserable, in addition to extolling the supposed virtues of nonces and weirdos (Green). They can all get stuffed.
Plenty of small parties with good manifestos that completely go against the above shit and if enough of us grow a pair and vote for them we can change things.
The Zzzio–Mons-ters won’t stop their G-en-o-ci-de, only force will stop them, but don’t expect the Gr-e-at S-at-an and its obedient minion the UK to step in to stop it, they are supplying the M-on-ster-s with all kinds of weapons and aid.
On wonder if the same Malaysian Court that found Blair and Bush guilty of war crimes with Iraq in mind (In Absentia) will do the same with Biden and Sunak, here’s hoping they will.
“An international human rights organization says Izzh-el is pressing ahead with a “systematic policy of targeting civilians” in the G–a-z-a Strip, including bombardment of shelter centers for displaced people and areas designated as humanitarian zones by the U-nited N-ations.
The Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor in a Tuesday report said that by specifically targeting schools of the UN agency for Pa-lest-inia-n refugees (U-NR-WA), which function as shelter centers in the Ga–z-z-a St-ri-p, Izz-h-el “deliberately” aims to hinder security and deny displaced Pa–lest–inians, who are protected by international humanitarian law, stability or temporary shelter.
“By targeting UN-R-WA schools functioning as shelter centers, Izz-heli bombing tactics demonstrate a deliberate policy intended to prevent security across the entire G-a–z-za St-r-ip and deny displaced Palestinians stability or shelter, even if that shelter is only temporary,” the Geneva-based monitor said in its report.”
I was hoping Dr Strangelove would tell us who was going to sort Vlad out in the name of world peace. To put it another way, “whit yay gonnae dae aboot it?”
If there’s one thing we have learned over the last 2 years it’s that Western weapons are shit. Quality and technology aside, the whole West can’t even match the manufacturing capacity of an economy ranked about 12th in the world when it comes to producing basic artillery shells (that’s the stuff we were using to fight wars 100 years ago).
As for nukes, it’s hard to believe those who tightly control the western democracies (lol) — you know, the guys who own the yachts, the private jets, and the MSM propaganda machine, our politicians, etc. — are going to give all their privileges up over what is essentially a border dispute.
The conflict reached an important milestone this week when Moscow publicly attributed direct US involvement in an attack on a beach deemed to be their sovereign territory. Moscow also guaranteed a response. Sounds like fun, eh?
Bring it. The Euro football tournament has been a total let down and I’ve ran out of post-apocalypse movies.
The Kn-e-o-Kna–ttz-z-s of U destroyed a radiation monitoring post in the Zap-orozhye region, the fa-sci-sts are determined to try and blow up the ZNPP, which is Europe’s largest nuclear power station.
If this happens the prevailing winds added in with the Coriolis Effect, Europe could suffer from any radiation fallout that could be worse than Chernobyl.
But hey the Kne-oo Kna–tt-z-z–is of U and their Atl-anticists backers won’t give a toss they just want European nations to be drawn deep into war.
OMFG at MainEllis
How can they be this fucking delusional when the guy is right there, in front of the whole wide world to see & hear, offering favourable peace deals & territory remaining intact, to a bunch of psychotic colonisers intent on WW3 & they STILL come out with such delusional propaganda.
This is surely a wind up. Two auld duffers looking for attention.
#AskAndy is full of shit. The vast majority are against war, colonialism, terrorism & invasion.
& Does he really need reminding who has actually not only used nukes but is begging to use them again to “send a message”
& This news just in – Crimea didn’t belong to U. It clashed since day one of U becoming independent & suffered terrible behaviour for daring to speak out against the coup of 2014 with many R speakers targeted for persistent cleansing. It’d be democratic to hold a referendum with external observers eh? It’s majority R population can decide in a ref that the propagandists will finally accept.
“The vast majority” are also against conscription, funding & supplying an unelected dictator who has absolutely zero authority in U to carry out the war crimes he’s doing to prolong that country’s torture including selling land, embezzlement, banning journalists, banning elections & forcing young ppl off the streets to go to the front lines.
The fact you two eejits are OK with all of the above says more about you than anyone else.
Ruby
Neale is against Self-ID & all the dangers that brings to women & girls, the disabled & young vulnerable ppl confused over their sexuality.
He’s written a few articles for Wings on this subject. Maybe you missed them?
The Gender Act needs revisited but be fair – there’s only TWO Alba MPs against a sea of shit in WM. Maybe he has tabled something? It’s been a while since I last watched parly TV but I know he’s been present in various committees which is more than can be said for the majority of SNP eejits & he does speak out despite the backlash.
This from The Conversation. It is about polling public opinion.
“From the outset of the war, Uk rainians have been surveyed to elicit what they would accept as the price of peace. The question is difficult for Uk rainians who rightly feel victimized.
Research by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology since the outset of the w4r reveals overwhelming sentiment among Uk rainians against territorial concessions for immediate peace.
My own research with social psychologist Karina Korostelina in front-line southeastern Uk rainian cities revealed the overwhelming belief that Uk raine’s territorial integrity is sacred.
But so too, of course, is human life. Uk rainians are understandably divided over what should be prioritized: preserving territory or preserving lives.
Wartime experiences also matter. Earlier research suggested that those most affected by the war through displacement and most concerned about their immediate security are more likely to prioritize a cease-fire.”
We should all #AskAndy why he’s backing an unelected leader in U whose rein has expired & who has not only banned elections but also banned & jailed the opposition, defied public opinion on prolonging this war, banned polling, rewrote laws on selling land to foreigners & acting against his own country’s written constitution on remaining neutral with no foreign influence on their territory.
Him being the bastion of all things *fair & democratic* about holding refs & elections eh? He seems OK with all of the above.
*Tumbleweed*
We already know the answer tho. He’s not an indy supporter & is a meddler to sow discord.
Sam
He isn’t interested in taking land. He was forced to cause the colonisers persisted pouring in weapons which forced buffer zones.
His original peace deal was territory remaining intact. That’s now changed because as he’s said in his press conference – they’re serious about escalating & they’d only regroup & rearm themselves & start all over again because they’re not serious about peace. They want to break up R.
Minsk agreement was for this purpose – the colonisers double-crossed him to give U time to prepare. Now he won’t be as forgiving and will retain buffer zones until there’s an adult in the room & not psychotic warhawks.
@Geri
Receipts required. Feel free to point to your polling evidence. We’re not interested in your “feelz” or the woo-woo views of a coterie of moonhowlers in here who represent nobody but themselves and a few per cent of sophomoric cranks in the general population.
Most folks in the general population hate Uncle Vlad, Orcs and their vatnik fluffers in here and the very few with the guts to publicly own their regressive world view. Fringe nutters like Galloway or Craig Murray may enjoy disproportionate support in certain circles but they & their views have zero traction in national politics.
Evidence, Geri that’s the key. It seems a bit odd to be coming on a site like this and spouting your evidence free snake oil. Yu don’t represent anyone but a fringe of extremist at both ends of the political scale, and those paid to spout Muscovite agitprop. From your output it’s hard to believe anyone pays you, which tells us everything we need to know about you. 🙂
Perpetuating the biggest propaganda hoax in History,
We did not share a monarch with England at the tome of the treaty of union, Scotland had disoped of king James and the last Stuart line of Succession went to the Crown and throne of England.
Scotland became a Country with no Monarch,
The territorial Extent of Queen Anne at the time of the treaty of Union was ratified was England and Wales,, you can read this on the Union with Scotland Act passed by the parliament of England legal date 1706,
The act of succession and limitations Act and the Bill of Rights passed by the parliament of England is How the parliament and government of England claims Sovereignty of the parliament of England.
Republicofscotland point out yesterday why the Crown of Scotland could not be on the negotciating table in 1706/ 07. To join with the English Crown, union.
After the faux union was finished in 1707, a few months later but the same year the parliament of England passed an Act to Extend Englands territory and laws to Scotland
Article 11 , the treaty of union explains that the Crown of England and the parliament of England government are united in holding Sovereignty,
Thus it explains quite well, that The monarch of England , Queen Anne ( 1702) and the parliament
of England are not Shared with Scotland. In monarchy or parliament, after king James was disposed in Scotland.
Article 1 of the faux treaty of union States that the two kingdoms will be United when the treaty of Union comes into force,
Note : they were not Shared kingdoms under one Crown or one monarch, especially under the official status of the Monarch and territory of England. And the Scottish Crown was not Sovereign in Scotland, the people are,
The Scottish Crown still sits redundant and the kingdom and territory of Scotland still belongs to the people of Scotland.
The Scottish Crown is not included in the same the coronation ceremony on the same date of that that takes place in England,
The monarch of Great- Britain and the parliament of Great- Britain used to be (past tense) the monarch and parliament of England,
Scotlands treaty of union with the parliament of England Ended in 1707 when the Scottish parliament was put under dissolution from the parliamentary union by Great- Britain parliament in 1707.
Scotland never made or had a treaty of Union of “with” the parliament of The Great- Britain,
Geri; well said re. #AskAndy and GasMain.
As you know with those two clowns black is white, up is down left is right etc etc etc.
But the pair of them are pearl clutching and getting shriller again – wonder what’s pushing their buttons?
“Most folks in the general population hate uncle Vlad, Orcs”
You’ll have a long list of reasons then so let’s read them..
You know jack shit about anything & especially what “the majority” thinks on any given topic. You prove that with every single post you make.
But let’s test you on this one..
Name all the things you hate about uncle Vlad & Orcs..
Give us yer list..
Most folk couldn’t care less regarding YooCrane, Rushha, their egomaniac leaders, their goings on or our idiot “leaders” attempts to pour petrol on the warmongering flames. Same with the middle east. Sod all to do with us, keep out of it, keep quiet and let them sort it out.
Perhaps if our “leaders” cared as much for their own country and their own people as they claim to profess for both warzones above we may have a better state of affairs generally at home.
“I was hoping Dr Strangelove would tell us who was going to sort Vlad out in the name of world peace. To put it another way, “whit yay gonnae dae aboot it?””
Hatuey.
Eventually the West WILL need to go to war, especially with the PetroDollar going into demise, it will take awhile but it will happen.
The war will be fought in Europe because the Europeans are stupid, and bow to the Gre-at S-a-ta-ns whims via those treacherous b*stards that call themselves Atlan-ticists, they are bought and paid for much like SNP/MSPs/MPs.
The Global South is on the rise, the G-rea-t S-atan-s war against Rooosshh-ia has backfired spectacularly, in that it has sped the turn away from the dollar towards multi-currency exchanges. Sanctions have led to certain countries making their own essential parts and equipment which has cost western businesses a fortune as their parts and equipment are no longer needed, Biden’s war against Rooooshi–a has just quickened the pace on what was inevitable.
The divide will only get bigger and when the west is armed enough and feels it has enough confidence it will attack, first into the meat grinders will be the jack-ass Europeans who will sacrifice themselves for the Gr-eat S-ata-n-s interests, they be rallied on by N-at-o’s political officers the Atlanticists in Europe and beyond, its all downhill for everyone from there on in.
James
LOL
Maybe it’s cause the *international community* has turned it’s back on the West as their wee failed jamboree in Switzerland proved. Where no one was buying their propaganda shit.
Or maybe it’s the recent EU elections where warhawks were put on notice & voted out?
Or maybe it’s cause they’re being gubbed by conventional methods, ie on the battlefield, while they resort to civilian targets. (NATO seem to make an uncanny habit of that eh?)
Or maybe it’s BRICS? That’s ticking along nicely..
That pair are as senile as Geno Joe if they think it’s just Craig/Galloway & some cranks on the internet & should just sit down & STFU about stuff they clearly know sod all about.
The MSM has also lost the war on their propaganda pish. Those two obviously didn’t get the memo..
I’m off to go watch paint dry. It’ll give them time to fester..lol
Part of an Al Jazeera piece by Santiago Zabala and Claudio Gallo in March 2022.It explores the political philosophy that may guide V. P.
“What is most intriguing is perhaps how Dugin suggests R should push Atlanticism out of Eurasia and regain its global influence. He argues that to achieve this goal R must “destabilise internal political processes in the US”, encourage Britain’s exit from the European Union and begin the annexation of UK Rain.”
Na To expansion may be part of the reason but geopolitical expansion of R is also one.
@Geri
– the carpet bombing of Chechnya;
– the suppression of any opposition in Muscovy;
– the invasion of Georgia;
– the illegal occupation & attempted destruction of U know where;
– the poisoning of the Skripals and murder of Dawn Sturgess;
– the murders of Boris Nemtsov, Anna Politkovskaya, and Alexander Litvinenko;
– supporting Assad’s regime in Syria;
– supporting the mullahs in Tehran.
No reasonable person quibbles with any of the above. “Whataboutery” about the west being no better is no defence, quite apart from being a ridiculous false equivalence which instantly outs those using it as having no functioning moral compass.
That is of course why most of you choose to remain anonymous, because you know it’s not socially acceptable to fluff for mass murdering dictators, but just like pro Communist operatives during the Cold War, there are no intellectual gymnastics you won’t perform to try and cover up your collaboration and appeasement of dictatorship.
So, now I’ve answered your question, time for you to do likewise: where’s your evidence of widespread support for your loathsome views?
We’ll wait….
Spartan 117
There’s no profit in that. Colonisers always want more & the imperial crusaders couldn’t care less for the chaos in their own countries or the chaos they leave behind. They’re only interested in asset stripping.
The yanks created & funded a civil war. They thought it’d be a breeze. Huge mistake. Now they’ve ran out of U men & forcing it’s allies to enforce conscription. To fight a war that’s not theirs while the yanks laugh all the way to the bank & it hasn’t cost them much in the way of boots on the ground but it will for us when Sir Starved takes office & starts conscription for all over eighteens. Women included.
Oh aye & lest we forget we’re paying for this shit by funding & supplying weapons cause senile Joe says so or he’ll sanction, sanction & sanction some more cause they’re bullying barstewards who is losing their empire through no ones fault but their own by manipulating markets & weaponising the dollar.
Sooner someone hands their arse to them the better for world peace.
They cause death & destruction everywhere they go.
Opinion polling in youk Rain.
“R occupies approximately 18% of youk rain today, a figure composed of territories it controlled before February 2022 (Cry mea and the Don B ass) and territories it subsequently seized and retained. Some, but not much, territory has shifted hands this last year.
To most youk rains, it is unacceptable to hold only the territory it currently controls as the price for peace – 71% strongly reject this, another 13% less strongly in the survey.
Only 12% see peace based on current territorial control as acceptable.
Meanwhile, a majority declare it is fully unacceptable to return to the pre-2022 borders. Slim majorities also say it is unacceptable that youk rain renounces its aspirations to join N-A-T-O and the European Union as the price of peace.
These attitudes restrain youk rains leadership, as U.S. officials signal that they do not foresee youk rain retaking lost territory in 2024. Right now, it is safer politically to fight than confront an ugly peace.”
By the by w4r does not always end by negotiation
MainEllis
What a list of bullshit.
Skripals is one such fcking nonsense no one believes for a start. Including, I’m sure, this sites owner.
& Syria can be attributed to the yanks & I or is Assange a fcking crank now too?
Away & sit down ya rocket.
@RoS 12.38pm
Eventually the West WILL need to go to war, especially with the PetroDollar going into demise, it will take awhile but it will happen.
Utter tosh of course. The west doesn’t need to go to war, nor is it inevitable, any more than it was between 1945 and 1995. Muscovy will collapse under the weight of its own political, social and economic shortcomings. If they’re lucky it will happen peacefully and relatively smoothly. If not, it’ll collapse in chaos and they’ll be Chairman Xi’s bitches the way Eastern European states used to be Soviet bitches in the past.
If the Europeans lack the balls to stand up to regressive, authoritarian regimes like Uncle Vlad and Chairman Xi’s, then they deserve everything they get. Luckily, most of those who are closest to the firing line like the Poles, Balts, Finns and Romanians, have experience of Muscovite rule in the past. They’re not going to let it happen again.
Ordinary Muscovites would be better advised to accept the dissolution of their imperial pretensions, do a Ceau?escu on their leadership, and accept integration of the rump of their state with the West. There’s as much future for Uncle Vlads pretensions as there was for those of the Ottomans or Austro-Hungarians in 1918.
First time in a while I logged on to Wings to read what the thoughts are, amongst the ‘intelligentsia’, on the forthcoming election.
As is normal, I always start at the bottom of the comments section and work my way up.I looked at 15 or so comments and gave up-it appears there is no election happening at all!!
Whilst I do not agree with everything that Andy Ellis and John Main (Hatey) write, they always make more sense than the deluded Wings stalwarts-RoS, Geri, James, Che etc etc. Do these individuals actually think that they represent the vast majority of Scots? Their thoughts and ‘feelings’ are shared by a tiny percentage of the electorate and actually turn sensible, sane people of ‘Wings’. Mental illness is a terrible affliction.
For what it is worth, I will be voting Labour in the GE as their candidate is best placed to oust the sitting SNP MP. For those considering spoiling their ballot paper, the reality is that they forfeit the right to complain about the UK government for the next 5 years. Unfortunately, it won’t stop them from doing so again and again and again.
The political system in Scotland and indeed the whole of the UK is in an almighty mess. Not a lot we can do about England and Wales but we can make a start in Scotland by obliterating the SNP. Vote accordingly.
@Spartan117 12.32pm
The kind of intellectual diarrhea that wouldn’t have been out of place in 1938. Czechoslovakia was “a quarrel in a faraway country, between people of whom we know nothing”.
Remind us how that worked out?
Sam
They are never getting into NATO or the EU.
A fact now openly admitted it was only a carrot to kickstart conflict. They’re Na-z & they’re corrupt as feck & guilty of embezzlement & crimes against humanity by cleansing R speakers long before 2014 coup.
Same really that Turkey is now finding out regards 15+ yrs of waiting on EU membership & now threatens their NATO membership if they’ll continue after being deceived for so long. Now informed it was never going to happen. It was just to noise up R.
@Geri 1.07pm
I’ve no idea what Rev Stu’s view on the poisoning of the Skripals and murder of a British citizen by Uncle Vlad are.
I’d be quite surprised if anyone as evidence driven as Stu could look at the available evidence and come to the conclusion it was some western plot to discredit Uncle Vlad, but I wouldn’t dram of trying to speak for him.
It rarely works out well for those who do.
During the 2015 UK election, Tommy Sheridan went on social media to urge voters to lend their votes to the SNP as a way for the Scottish population to hold Westminster’s feet to the fire over their promises made during the referendum.
We know how that went but a point that Tommy made and I’m sure I am misquoting him but IIRC, he said that people have the right to vote for Socialist parties out of principle, even if the candidates only get a few thousand votes, but given the circumstances of that particular election, doing so would split the vote and allow Unionist candidates to be elected.
This coming UK election is different. I’m not sure that spoiling your vote or not turning up is a viable option. The only thing that matters is the votes cast against candidates and who wins. If as predicted Labour gets in and turnout is low, do you think they care if they are elected on say for instance low to mid thirties percentage of overall vote?
So what if an Alba/independent/ISP candidate gets a few thousand votes. It’s the principle that matters.
Obviously this is a personal opinion and everybody has the right to decide what they want to do on election day. For myself, I wasn’t planning to vote but luckily I am in a constituency where it is highly likely that the sitting SNP MP will lose and have an Alba candidate standing.
While the Alba candidate is realistically only going to get a few thousand votes, I’d rather vote for Alba as a form of gesture towards the political establishment. Even though it means nothing to them, it means a lot to me.
It’s none of my business but I fail to understand why people interact with Main/Ellis.
They/him/it is just looking down on you and laughing at you.
Ah, they’ve fired up the ‘Chas’ for backup… lolz
I’m so overcome by “meh” and disinterest in the machinations of WEF Drone politicians and Post-Soviet gangstas over a corrupt dunghole of a country bitterly divided between Pro-Europe and Pro-Rushah factions (not to mention some extremely stuff going on) I blatantly can’t be arsed offering any response.
Enjoy being called up for your WEF masters to go and fight a pointless battle in an alien land for an alien purpose. Don’t expect any tea and medals. They want you wasted.
James
Aye, the space cadets are out in force lol & here comes the petulant toddler to tell us all he’s bored except for Hinge & Bracket – he could listen to their pearls of wisdom all day long..
He seems to just conjure himself up as if by magic.
*Just like dat* It’s amazing.
RoS: “Eventually the West WILL need to go to war, especially with the PetroDollar going into demise, it will take awhile but it will happen.”
If you mean a massive WWIII type affair, I think it’s unlikely. The Western Empire (G7) is not just in decline, it has now been superseded by the BRICs economies which account for a greater share of global GDP — see http://www.statista.com/statistics/1412425/gdp-ppp-share-world-gdp-g7-brics/
They’ll no doubt continue to bully and rob smaller countries — countries that can’t really hit back — and that is essentially what Western dominance always depended on, but the west hasn’t had much success even in those sort of conflicts lately. God, even the curved-sword carrying Houthis are giving them a run for their money. Afghanistan set a new standard for ignominious failure and withdrawal. There are many other examples.
In the east, where the west faces an opponent who can hit back, the outcome has been very predictable — systematic losses of men, material, and land. It doesn’t bode well for WWIII. Western military technology looks very out-of-date on the modern battlefield and it’s hardly surprising that the focus seems to have shifted recently to what are called “soft targets’.
But, as I’ve said before, collapsing empires almost always go quietly. There’s no doubt interesting reasons for that but I can’t think of a well-established Empire whose leaders decided running head-first into a brick wall was a good idea just as decline became certain and unavoidable.
When big business decided to export western industry to places like China in the 1980s, nobody listened to those who asked where that would leave all of us in 30 or 40 years. Well, now we know. All for a few fast bucks.
It’s much more likely that the western oligarchs will jump ship than start a major war. That’s what oligarchs usually do when it becomes clear that their number is up.
They’ve totally trashed the west, economically, politically, medically, morally, you name it. Why would they run the risk of losing everything for a bunch of countries that they have systematically destroyed? Better to just move on and do it all over again somewhere else…
Ellis
Really? You seem to get away with it continually.
Skripals event was so farcical & outrageous the whole fckn world was laughing at it. I’m sure you can use the search function tho to familiarise yourself with a recap.
& As for yer bullshit of Poland etc. Maybe you need to brush up on who created those countries & under whose control they’re under now. Also know the difference with Imperial empire & a country who possess no Sovereignty to make its own decisions but are under the full control of the USA since WW2.
Clue – it’s not uncle Vlad. He wasn’t party to the carving up of eastern Europe. The yanks & the Brits were despite winning fuck all during WW2
Irish Times, yesterday.
“youk rain has formally begun negotiations with the European Union about joining the bloc, in what has been described as a “historic day” for the country and Europe.
Olha Stefanishyna, youk rains deputy prime minister for European integration, said she was optimistic her country would be ready to join the EU before the end of this decade.
In the days after Rs full-scale inv4sion in February 2022, youk rain applied to start the years-long process of joining the EU. It was granted candidate status as a prospective member later that year, and last December EU leaders agreed to let it start accession talks. After several months of delays, an EU-youk rain intergovernmental conference was held in Luxembourg on Tuesday to formally open the negotiations.”
It was the desire of people in youk rain to join the e u and the reluctance of the R oriented PM, Yanukovych, to allow that which started the Maidan riots.
For those involved, the ‘Revolution of Dignity’ against pro-R president Viktor Yanukovych was the beginning of the confrontation with R.
#AskAndy; “….Rus-sian-s poisoned the Skirpals….”
Oh, ma sides, stop it!
Along with some rando child standing for snp, similar for lib dums, a labour grown-up female and an obvious conservative trougher, I have a reform female no photo id supplied, and a UKIP individual called Ho. Like you say, no choice there, so it’s either spoil or no-show. I’m favouring no vote as I don’t want to recognise their english parliament anyway and no doubt the liebour yoon will get in anyway. Sturgeon has a lot to answer for, like she ever will, and swindler is the ultimate jannie with his bucket of sawdust. Nothing to see, or vote for, here. Let’s hope the SNP get utterly decimated.
PacMan says: at 1:31 pm
“During the 2015 UK election, Tommy Sheridan went on social media to urge voters to lend their votes to the SNP as a way for the Scottish population to hold Westminster’s feet to the fire over their promises made during the referendum.
We know how that went but a point that Tommy made and I’m sure I am misquoting him but IIRC, he said that people have the right to vote for Socialist parties out of principle, even if the candidates only get a few thousand votes, but given the circumstances of that particular election, doing so would split the vote and allow Unionist candidates to be elected.
That is correct PacMan, though Tommy actually started stating it earlier just a couple of months after the 2014 Indref.
This clip is from Fat Sam’s in Dundee on 30/11/2014, and if the link works it should start at 14min 30secs where he explains unifying the pro-indy vote for the 2015 GE and getting behind the SNP.
As an aside iirc SNP MP Stewart Hosie also spoke at the event but wouldn’t enter the building whilst Tommy was still there. So possibly and early indication that the SNP had little interest in sharing a platform and working with the wider Indy movement.
youtu.be/r8n0H2eVCGE?t=874
Of course that was almost a decade ago and a lot has changed since then as the NuSNP did a real number on the YES movement.
Tommy has occasionally posted btl so it would be interesting to read his current thoughts, as it’s hard to believe after ten wasted years of NuSNP carnage across Scottish society he would still be supportive of a similar strategy?
I’ll try again with this link…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8n0H2eVCGE&t=874s
So?
Hope you’re not a closet Tory, Ruby?
If you are, it’s maybe time to come out of the bookies.
““youk rain has formally begun negotiations with the European Union about joining the bloc, in what has been described as a “historic day” for the country and Europe.”
Its absolutely shameful that the EU is going to admit a Kn-e-o Kna-t-tz-i (failed) state into its bosom, mind you with v-on d-er Le-yen at the helm, and G-er-many never seeing a g-en-oci-de it didn’t like (Nam-ibia, WWII, G-a-z-z–a) one shouldn’t be surprised by this.
Its a historic day alright but for all the wrong reasons.
Lets be clear, the SNP only stand for the SNP and aren’t the slightest bit interested in independence. Like the Tory pants-pishers and Labour dribblers, they’re only in it for what they can get; I.e. voted in, cream off what they can and sod all else. Pishfart and Blubberford want peerages for a lifelong ticket on the gravy train. Oink oink.
Anyone who wants independence and votes SNP needs their head looked at. Just as the Tories won’t cut taxes, Labour won’t look after working people, LDs won’t give you a Liberal Democracy or the Greens won’t do any good for the environment, the SNP will not get Scotland independence.
@RoS – indeed.
It amazes me further why anyone in this day and age would want to be part of the thoroughly undemocratic technocracy that is the EU. Many so-called Scottish “independence” supporters especially.
@Hatuey says:26 June, 2024 at 2:00 pm
“Western military technology looks very out-of-date on the modern battlefield”
Woo hoo, spoiled for choice as to which roaster should be up first, but Hatuey, it’s your lucky day.
Point 1. Much “Western military technology” has not even been tried yet.
Point 2. Just as when you pebble dash the pan, you usually hit the seat too, so you do have a tangentially pertinent point.
Just as the military technology of those countries that sat out WW1 and WW2 mostly came to naught thereafter, all western governments will have been briefed that the longer they sit this one out, the more obsolete their systems are going to become.
Two and a half years and counting. Technology, tactics, drones, defence systems, you name it. Already changed out of recognition by the white heat of technological advance that always happens when it’s kill or be killed.
Trump’s maxim: MAGA.
Not going to happen unless the USA is in it to win it.
“even the curved-sword carrying Houthis are giving them a run for their money”
Haha, the Hotties are hurling their curved swords at passing ships are they? Get a grip, man.
Andy Ellis @ 1:14 pm
“Czechoslovakia was “a quarrel in a faraway country, between people of whom we know nothing”.”
Colonial domination is a consequence of the actions of elites in an imperial metropolitan capital and the colonial mindset developed by an oppressed native people. Scots do not need to look to a ‘faraway country’ to find our oppressor, for he is next door and among us.
@ Republicofscotland Ignored says: 26 June, 2024 at 3:22 pm
When you going to learn to spell “Scotland”? You come across on here as dodgy as a £4 note.
“G-er-many never seeing a g-en-oci-de it didn’t like”
For a start, they don’t like the Holomodor. These things cast a long shadow.
As for your trumped up Jenny Side in Humous Land, you should have given up on that one while you were still ahead.
Focus is shifting to Lebanon now. I expect that when that one kicks off, we’ll get some numbers more amenable to being called Jenny Side.
Have your justifications ready for why it doesn’t count if it’s Dews getting genocided. We all expect you to parrot that line, at the very least.
It is hardly likely that youk rain can reasonably be called na-z-i. The president, Zelensky is Jewish and was elected with 73% of the vote in his favour in 2019.
In February 2023 his popularity rating exceeded 90%.
His popularity among European nations is generally good but not universal.
One of the criteria for EU membership is: “..stable institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities;..”
youk rain has started down the road of EU membership.
This is not to say that the country is entirely free from neo- n-a-z influence. The Azov battalion, around 900 members was/is? neo n.
p’s claim that youk rain as a whole country is infected by this problem is a lie, uttered to support illegal actions.
Not so long ago the influence of the serviette state strongly influenced youk rain.
The latter country voted overwhelmingly for independence in 1991. Some 90% of the people voting favoured independence, with a turnout of 84%. Prior to the vote hardline elements in the serviette onion had tried to stage a coup to re-form the onion.
Independence revealed youk rain to be deeply corrupt. A legacy of the serviette onion, the only country judged more corrupt.
There is research into the issue of snazziness at much greater length at the link.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13518046.2022.2058179
@Alf Baird says:26 June, 2024 at 4:07 pm
“Scots do not need to look to a ‘faraway country’ to find our oppressor, for he is next door and among us”
Sure.
It’s Scottish Exceptionalism of the most risible kind to assert that there’s some sort of equivalence between southern sizzlers paying over the odds for our houses, and drones, bombs and artillery blowing every building in an entire town to rubble, along with thousands of the luckless inhabitants.
I rate you higher than the kind of mouth breather who is likely to respond with a nasal call to go over there and fight. Please don’t disappoint me, Alf.
A little sympathy and solidarity with the people of a sovereign nation that knows the true meaning of colonialist oppression wouldn’t hurt though.
Who knows eh? What goes around comes around. Maybe once they’ve liberated their own nation, they could give us some pointers on how to do the same.
We seem to be all out of ideas.
@PacMan 1.33pm
Aw, dinnae greet Pacman! Is nobody paying you any attention? Maybe it’s because you have nothing worthwhile to add?
As for looking down on the nativists, xenophobes and bigots infesting BTL here, it’s just not true: I don’t have an electron microscope capable of detecting their intellectual contributions or senses of empathy.
@Andy Ellis says:26 June, 2024 at 10:27 am
Thanks for your reply.
I’m still waiting for those whose primary purpose for posting on here is to support the annexation of substantial chunks of Eastern Europe and the EU, in order to bolster the Neo-Tsarist delusions of “man of destiny” Pres Poot, to outline what’s in it for Scotland.
And what’s in it for Scottish Independence, given the supposed premeditated destiny of Scotland to be immersed in the EU.
Sometimes it’s difficult to remember what this site is supposed to be about, once thon boy who doesn’t know how to spell “Scotland” gets his teeth firmly into his carpet.
But it’s a simple enough question: How does the military annexation and re-colonisation of the Baltic Republics, Moldova, Transnistria, Poland, etc, not to mention the currently occupied sovereign nation under discussion, help us Scots?
How does the unleashing of tens of millions of European refugees pushed west by the Orcs help us in Scotland?
Two and a half years on, and nobody has a clue why these mouth breathers so avidly support and continually call for these things.
Makes you think, eh?
James Che: are you saying that women are not genuine about wanting to adult human females, but have to prove it? As it is, women fund court cases daily day now against these bar stewards. You want us to fund court cases against the UK interpretation of the Treaty of Union, too. Then, what? You chaps will step in and take over from the girlies? We are fighting for our very existence as a sex category, as autonomous human beings. Strong parallels between what we are fighting for and against and what Scots are fighting for and against, yet so many men appear to be utterly blind, deaf and dum about the rights, privacy, safety and dignity of the women in their lives.
Ruby/Moixx: at events in Bristol (where she is standing), Kellie Jay Keen-Minshull has been turned away/kept hanging around till the event is over although the venues are publicly-owned. This must be illegal by any measure. She is also being followed by police for no discernible reason. At a recent event in Brighton, middle-aged women were chased by masked males, most of them apparently young, into a shop where they were threatened and intimidated by these TRA youths. Did the police do anything? Zilch. It is now plain that women will not be helped by police even when they are under threat from hulking men. Does any party, any law enforcement agency, any council, etc. give a damn about females in the UK? This is going to end very badly – and, perhaps, not as expected.
@Hatey 4.41pm
I rate you higher than the kind of mouth breather who is likely to respond with a nasal call to go over there and fight. Please don’t disappoint me, Alf.
Ah, I think I see your problem bud: you do Alf too much credit I fear. Five will get you ten that the windows in Baird towers are permanently slavvered up. Nobody half normal could regurgitate the suspect post colonial theory in the volume and with the intensity he does.
Seems to be a lot of focus and distraction on global matters that are way outside of Scotland’s abilities to influence.
Meanwhile back in Scotland… As some actually try to move Scotland towards gaining some influence, their best efforts are getting thwarted.
No doubt the international community will be all over this as it surely isn’t gold standard and best practice to have oor democratic processes so compromised.
https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2024/06/26/loaded-dice/
And Royal Mail is apparently doubling down on incompetence as a second leaflet is now being delivered to properties in the wrong constituency…
@Andy Ellis
Because you don’t understand anything about colonialism does not mean it has not happened both internally and externally.
Alf is not alone. Others, more acute than you, have looked at Scotland.
https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2019/07/01/the-cultural-cringe/
“The Scottish Cringe as described by Beveridge and Turnbull (1989) refers to the Scots lacking personal and political confidence in their ability to govern themselves. Beveridge and Turnbull (1989) argue the Scots suffer from a sense of psychological inferiority in which Scots have come to see themselves and they are seen by England i.e. as being inferior to and dependent upon the largesse of England. Sociological theorist Pierre Bourdieu’s concept of symbolic violence can be deployed as another means to understand Scotland’s sense of culture inferiority because this notion of Bourdieu is used to explain how the more powerful are able to structure the self-perception of the weak, so that social groups are not only conquered or colonised militarily by a more powerful nation as there is another defeat or war waged that is done via or by culture (Bourdieu and Waquarant 1992) i.e. Scots collude in and co–produce their subordination because they sincerely believe their culture is not equal to that of England. On this matter, Carol Craig (2003) argues that Scots are harshly disparaging to their own culture and by doing so create apprehension in the Scottish persona.”
@ Ruby
https://grousebeater.wordpress.com/2024/06/26/alba-manifesto/
BTL is currently a brilliant example of that Eleanor Roosevelt quote…
“Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.”
If you look at the unholy trinity on here it is people, people, people, bitch, bitch, bitch.
That is how you know them for what they are. The intellectuals on here talk ideas and events. They don’t need ad hominem attacks in EVERY SINGLE COMMENT. lol.
The correlation between personal abuse and small minds is glaring on here. It is kinda all they have got.
If you ignored them they would wither on the vine in a matter of weeks if not days. I really don’t know why Alf and others continually indulge them.
Funny watching the BBC reporting on Assange
Making a big thing of info on war crimes infi being released.
I thought the big thing was all our e mails , phones, tvs and any digital device is being bugged.
Thanks, Dan. Good news.
sam @ 5:37 pm
“Because you don’t understand anything about colonialism does not mean it has not happened both internally and externally.”
Yes indeed. Aime Cesaire affirmed that “colonization is based on psychology” and noted in this context that there are certain groups among the native people who suffer from a “dependency complex”; they ‘crave dependency’ and to be like the colonizer in all respects – language, culture, values etc.
The correct scientific term for what we call the ‘Scottish Cultural Cringe’, which is a form of ‘self-hatred’, is ‘Internalized Racism’. Colonialism itself involves ‘hateful racism’ and that racial inferiority imposed on a colonized people is then ‘appropriated’ by them as the oppressed group; hence the term ‘Appropriated Racial Oppression’:
https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2021/08/15/determinants-of-independence-ethnicity/
A key aspect of the colonial ‘condition’ is denial of oppression, as a handful of btl contributors here repeatedly demonstrate:
https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2024/03/03/the-colonial-mindset/
I think I ‘ve said numerous times that I am not voting for anyone. I’m apolitical non-binary WTF
FYI I am more Tory than Labour.
I hate that Labour Party.
The Tories didn’t give us The Gender Recognition Act
The Tories didn’t give us multi-culturalism & uncontrolled immigration
The Tories didn’t burden us with PFI contracts.
The Tories didn’t take us into an illegal war with Iraq.
I would prefer to see Tories win the election than those Labour fuckers.
If you were trying to hurt my feelings by calling me a Tory then you might have to think again. How about calling me a Terf.
You got any views on men changing sex?
Sam
There is more than the Azov crew. There are many battalions & can’t name them all & even statues erected to the Naz all over their country. They flocked there after WW2.
Z is corrupt as feck & has sold the country to BlackRock while pocketing billions. Z couldn’t give a fck about being Jewish. He cares only for his own bank balance & he was elected on a peace ticket which he immediately dropped at the behest of his handlers.
His police can be seen lifting & assaulting ppl off the streets to go fight too as well as old men.
They don’t meet the criteria for joining the EU. It’d take far more than 10 yrs. Not only on corruption charges but for war crimes as well as illegal & unconstitutional changes he’s made against his own parliament & the countries constitution. If he’s so confident of his popularity then hold elections. His tenure has expired & there is no reason for him to block them.
Nearly a million dead & he keeps going. He’ll be facing war crimes
So far Z has taken the Asov to Westminster & canada, taken Blink to a naz pub & no matter how much they deny it it’s a documented fact they’re conducting cleansing & terrorism to religious minorities too.
The EU is not happy about them. Just ask Poland. They don’t want them in Poland & they certainly don’t want them in the EU – see farmer disputes & conscription polling.
The only one that’d fast track them is Von Der Liar cause she’s the USA puppet.
Even all that said – there was nothing stopping him accepting the peace deal with territory intact. There can be no NATO in U just as there can be no R or C military in Mexico or Cuba pointing Nukes at USA. It wouldn’t be tolerated but US thinks it can do as it pleases. Plus they are surrounding Ps navy to try block it from the black sea. It’s not as simple as them wishing to join NATO. NATO means nukes & blocking Ps naval ports. There is absolutely nothing stopping them joining an alliance but they don’t want that.
They also don’t meet the criteria for joining. They started a civil war & has had to have every single country send them weapons, ammunition, tanks, rockets, missiles, military wages, planes & even night vision goggles Fae her granddad’s loft if you have them lol. They’ve no army. No weapons & can’t stay straight long enough to stop thieving money. They’ve hee-haw chance of entry & I’m sure Turkey will have questions if they accelerate on both EU & NATO. They risk pissing off the biggest army NATO has if Turkey walks away.
Dan
Was there something you thought might be of interested to me in that manifesto?
I am not voting for anyone. No voting, no spoiling no repurposing.
This lady is not for voting
OMG My inner Tory is coming to the fore!
I won’t be voting to send anyone to Westminster.
I don’t need to read any manifestos.
Dan: what is it you don’t understand about the GRA 2004? No party in Scotland is campaigning to repeal the GRA 2004. That is Ruby’s point and mine. Unless the GRA 2004 is repealed, all GRCs recalled and sex marked, the law – including Scots law – remains that men with a GRC can claim legal womanhood.
We want the GRA 2004 repealed so that no reforms can take place that will compromise our rights and we want the legal aspect vis-a-vis womanhood removed It is not enough to say that women are Adult Human Females if you continue to allow men with a GRC (as a direct consequence of the GRA 2004) to still gain entry to female spaces, etc. This is the current law of Scotland.
‘Trans’ need to campaign for their own spaces – and not disabled facilities either. Had they done this from the off, no one would have blinked an eye. However, they absolutely insist on being given entry to all female spaces – the men, that is – so you explain why that should be, given that they are, even if they fool many, AGPs/fetishists, etc.
People used to understand what cross-dressing men were, that their compulsion was wholly sexual; they also understood that even non-dangerous men had fetishes that are not conducive to female dignity and privacy. The ‘trans’ lobby has rolled them all into one big ball and labelled them ‘women’ or ‘girls’.
As Ruby says, few understand the difference between reform and recognition. It is recognition (as women) that needs to go. The 2004 Act enabled them to marry each other. New laws have made that redundant. Give them legal recognition as ‘trans’ and tighten the no-entry to women’s spaces laws. They are not women, can never be women, will never be women and if they insist they are, there is going to be a showdown that they cannot win. Women might not stop them, but Mother Nature will weigh in on women’s side.
I enjoy the BTL contributions as always, regardless whether I agree or disagree. Dont think much of the personal insults though – those are best directed at fucknugget politicians.
@Geri
I can tell though I may be wrang, that you have not read anything or much of that piece at the end of the link I put up.
It’s a long piece but the conclusion says why I can’t agree with you. Maybe we should leave it at that? I hope you agree.
“New research by Statistics Poland (CBOS) found that 74.8% of Poles oppose the army of Poland or any other NATO country getting involved in the conflict, with only 10.2% favouring such support.
French President Emmanuel Macron said at February’s U summit that Europe should not rule out sending its troops to U. This was met with backlash in many European capitals, followed by many leaders confirming that they did not intend to join the war by military participation.”
https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/most-poles-against-army-involvement-in-
(Had to edit out title)
Just like the UK – what the leaders gob off about isn’t exactly what the voting public agrees to. Not just Poland but add Slovakia, Turkey & Georgia to that list & Estonia was told to STFU & pipe down by Germany & NATO. She was to go sit with France & shut it lol *telt*
“Scots do not need to look to a ‘faraway country’ to find our oppressor, for he is next door and among us” – Alf Baird
It is the last bit of this statement especially that is the problem I have with Alf’s colonial theory of Scotland.
Some time back I saw a clear rationale from Alf on another site that mapped required criteria for a country being a colony / colonised (I think from a UN definition but can’t remember) and one of them was being ‘occupied’ by the colonist. His answer was simply English people moving to and living in Scotland, the ‘among us’ of above. This is some way from what the criterion was talking about – an official occupying state force of some kind.
By definition, this requires Scots seeing their ordinary English neighbours as their ‘oppressors’, occupying the country, an occupying force, By implication it also means those English people need to be removed to end the oppression and thus colonial rule.
To accept the Scotland as an English colony definition, accepting this is needed.
As a polling station worker, it seems to me that the establishment and Uniparty do not want you to vote, my own parents say they will not on the grounds of having to show ID, however the fraud problem lays entirely with postal ballots. So the ID charade is to dissuade the electorate from voting against Uniparty shills.
I say go vote Scottish Family Party or Reform, anyone but the mainstream charlatans, i.e. LAB, LIB, TORY, SNP, who ALL tried to trick you thru lockdowns and mask wearing into injecting the deadly covid jab. The deaths in my small community since it was rolled out has been catastrophic. We need to vote these demons out, this might be your only chance. Although is would be double easy to rig an election as everything is done in pencil….
Sam
I haven’t. I was responding to your comment.
There is stark differences of attitudes in East & West U. It’s well documented who Z spends his time with.
The media tried their best to wash a sows ear & try punt it as “it’s all behind them now” it didn’t work as he went with them on his grand tours.
There are many R speakers persecuted & a civil war sparked & funded by the USA. Not everyone is Naz but a great deal are depending on regions.
@ Ruby
As you’ve been questioning Neil Hanvey’s position on trans and GRA issues of late I thought it might add some clarity.
Voting is certainly a minefield at this general election. A lot of rural areas are between snp and tory, where as a lot of urban areas are between snp and labour.
I’ve nobody in my rural constituency that’s pro-indy credible so for me it would be don’t vote, spoil my ballot, or vote tory to try to ensure the NuSNP are reduced to ash and an alternative rises from the ashes.
Toughish call but if it all continues to go to shit I can probably still sell up to some well off English refugee NuScot and scarper off to Portugal for sun and reduced heating bills. Wonder if Stuart MacKay needs a part time gardener? lolz
I hope the Euro plummets and crashes and the Eurozone plunges into recession when this horrible – God awful country in the East – joins the block.
Scotland has dodged a bullet being dragged out of that globalist cesspit of corruption.
Belgian politics has been distracted by “gender nonsense, climate madness and — ‘oh no’ — the end of the world!” bellowed Tom Van Grieken, the leader of Flanders’ far-right Vlaams Belang party in a campaign speech at a pub in a town south of Brussels.
“What more and more Flemish people are worried about,” he said in the little strip of Flanders that’s squeezed between the capital and the French-Flemish language border with Wallonia, is “not the end of the world, but the end of the month!”
Van Grieken has been on an anti-migration, anti-environmentalist, anti-woke warpath that is set to end in a crushing victory in national, regional and European elections on Sunday.”
In the end. The Belgian PM had to quit.
I can attest that Brussell’s was a shithole when I was there at Christmas time. Were it not for the statue of Baby Jesus and the waffles. You would have thought you were in Iraq.
@ Geri says: 26 June, 2024 at 6:45 pm
A masterful analysis, Geri.
Or should that be mistressful?
Whatever, your analysis rocks, and I didn’t even need to read past the “can’t name them all” on Line 2.
Maybe you could deal with the small matter of the international border between two neighbouring states, and the military of one state being hundreds of miles across that border, destroying, raping, torturing, kidnapping and murdering, on the sovereign territory of the other state.
Chop, chop now. We don’t have all night.
And the “Ah, but they had it coming, you see” response won’t cut it, neither masterfully nor mistressfully.
You’ll have to up your analysis, Geri, to convince the alert lurkers you know what you’re on about.
“Nearly a million dead”
Haha, you missed a trick! Surely that’s 25 Jeny Sides right there? Do the math, eh?
Man, you’re losing it. Don’t leave the republican boy who can’t even spell “Scotland” to bite the carpet all on his lonesome.
Consider the evidence of small Independent countries. The Euros 2024. The former Yugoslavia. 3 teams in the competition. Slovenia (Great place went we to Lake Bled in 87) and Croatia (We went to Plava Laguna) and Serbia. The former Czechoslovakia. 2 teams in the competition. All of them have done better than Scotland. They played with heart we didn’t.
Anyone that mentions climate change to me now – its an immediate red flag.
I’m surprised at this guy Robin McAlpine – he must be upper middle class. I’d bought a copy of his book.
Sorted: A handbook for a better Scotland.
I thought he wrote about some fantastic articles. Like the NHS being a closed shop neo-aristocracy. Outstanding opinion piece. Buy your way in here folks – and become a non-executive director. Outstanding.
Now he’s coming out with this close Grangemouth. Climate crisis madness.
I suspect he lives in Edinburgh. Near that new cycle path – you know the one that everyone’s talking about which zig zags more – as if a mafia member is telling you dance!
Its hard to believe now but there used to a time when academics worked on important societal problems where they pondered the deepest and most important questions of life. There used to be actual insight and wisdom and useful revelations coming out of academia.
Today academia sits around with their heads up their own and in each others asses. Inhaling their own fumes. Trying to conjure up new examples of oppression and racism. They find the most complicated way to say the dumbest things.
We need to Save the Grangemouth plant and not shut it down. There’s nothing wrong with the oil. I just can’t believe these people sometimes.
Edinburgh. It’s a social contagion. Nothing like the needs of the people of Glasgow.
Too much Soya milk in Midlothian – no offense.
From the Alba manifesto.
“6: Standing up for women and children, by “clarity in law – a woman is an adult human female”.
7: Implementation of the Cass Review, and “high-quality, evidence-based care for children and youth”.
8: Opposition to gender self-ID and “any attempt to conflate gender identity with sex-based rights”.
9: Support singe-sex spaces and sex-based rights at all levels.”
https://gordondangerfield.com/2022/08/12/why-single-sex-female-services-are-not-for-biological-males/
I understand Alex Salmond has Gordon Dangerfield on hire.
From the early days I’ve been against all the genderwoowoo shite and tried to be supportive of girls and women because of the multiple negative implications it has for them. But by doing so I’ve also been told by women to butt out, so damned if I do and damned if I don’t. You can go sort it all out yerselves if you don’t want hanners anymore.
Got to again hand it to the powers that be it is an incredibly emotive and therefore useful method of stirring up division. But I’m already bored of saying that and pointing out the parallels the subject has with the whole bullshit re-wilding and net-zero narratives.
I’ve seen it on here repeatedly where a load of folk pile in when I mention beavers without having any real world experience of the reality of the issues they cause.
Last week I mentioned the President of NFU Scotland had brought the matter to light. But aye, what would Martin Kennedy know with his firsthand farming experience where beavers are now active compared to someone that doesn’t live anywhere near this area or have any actual understanding of the issues they cause.
Then we get cretins whining about us stopping oil production when they jet off on holiday, still have oil central heating, and run internal combustion engined cars.
Try to get up tomorrow morning and live without using any energy that you haven’t produced yourself for the foreseeable. Keeping in mind the conservation of energy principles, and that every time an energy changes state there are inherent losses. The whole ludicrous concept falls apart rather quickly.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/belief-in-climate-change?crossBreak=scotland
Very interesting statistics on climate change. July 2021. 82% of Scots thought the World’s climate was changing due to human activity.
Now Scots have woken up in the following 3 years of Sturgeon Rule.
Only 66% per cent of Scots think the world’s climate is changing as a result of human activity.
This is after COP 26.
Excellent Legacy Nicola. It’s a scam. And she knows it. We’ve woken up.
I still believe that Sturgeon gave away out Sea Beds. So that she could get some selfies taken with the Royal Family at Kelvingrove Museum.
Remember? Who remembers? Because I do. When Joe Biden handed Nicola Sturgeon – the begging bowl! He was trolling her!
I can’t express to Robin McAlpine more – who from his blog says he’s Glasgow University that the Scots have no time for climate change policies.
See Byres Road – next to Glasgow University. It’s been destroyed by the Cycle paths.
And they voted Green. Most Glaswegians are moving away from the West end now – my two friends hate it there – there’s no community.
@sam 5.37 pm
Because you don’t understand anything about colonialism does not mean it has not happened both internally and externally.
Alf is not alone. Others, more acute than you, have looked at Scotland.
Because I don’t accept the “Scotland as colony” mantra doesn’t mean that I or others fail to understand Sam, it means we find the narrative unconvincing, as apparently does the UN.
The existence of the Scottish cringe and elements of our history which might be connected to colonialism, or be regarded as exhibiting psuedo colonial characteristics, doesn’t mean it’s permissible to equate Scotland as a colony of England or the UK. It looks and feels like hyperbole, which is why most Scots think it’s just bullshit, even if they might jokingly use it as a rhetorical flourish.
And asserting (for that is all that it is) that those mentioned in and contributing to a dead end publication like Bella is just laughable, sorry. It’s like the “cunning plans” for indy nutters fetishising the one piece of research commissioned by Neal Hanvey as proof positive that their legal short cut to independence is a slam dunk.
Do better. Be better. Folk won’t vote for independence, or support novel non-parliamentary routes to indy just because a very small minority of not very distinguished Scots are convinced we’re a colony and that independence can be brought around via legal rather political means.
Dan
Ignored
says:
26 June, 2024 at 7:20 pm
@ Ruby
As you’ve been questioning Neil Hanvey’s position on trans and GRA issues of late I thought it might add some clarity.
No I haven’t been questioning Neil Hanvey’s position on trans. I am very clear what his position is. It was everyone else who wasn’t clear on what his position is.
The whole climate shite is a con. The brain fart of Americans need to control.
The Chinese have made an electric car that’s dirty cheap. $12,000 USD. Travel from New York to Florida Keys on ONE charge.
Americas response to this new environmental marvel? Sanction it. 100% tariffs slapped on them LOL.
You couldn’t make up their shit. They want to control the whole world.
C’mon Dan don’t be a crybaby.
I have never told any man to butt out. Actually I have the opposite complaint. I’m would like men to take more of an interest.
Southernbystander @ 7:16 pm
“To accept the Scotland as an English colony definition”
Colonialism is regarded as ‘a scourge’ and a crime against humanity. Colonialism is primarily about economic plunder and external political control of a territory and people. It may or may not necessarily involve ‘se***er occupation’.
We should perhaps try to understand that the economic plunder of a territory remains “the main purpose of colonialism” (Memmi). It is therefore not unreasonable to seek to estimate the economic value of this theft/plunder, notwithstanding numerous other adverse impacts, including cultural and psychological effects on the oppressed group:
https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2024/03/19/the-real-economic-price-of-the-uk-union-for-scots/
Does the usual suspects not have a dictionary?
Its very simple..
“a country or area under the full or partial political control of another country and occupied by incomers from that country.”
We are under full & partial control *check*
We are occupied. 56 MPs don’t outvoted 533+ MPs & we have an open franchise. A franchise that favours incomers from anywhere & with no restrictions *check*
Alba seeking international opinion is discussing Scotland as if it is a region – not as an already Sovereign country. *check*
Sovereign countries don’t need referendums or elections *check*
The UN has never looked into Scots being a colony *check*
A bunch of Scots starting a convention & taking it all the way to the council of Europe to secure devolution would be described by franchise fanny today as moon howling nutters trying to cheat his imaginary system. *check*
We can dismiss Andy as talking shite. *check*
MainEllis aff the internet = delusional rocket.
Watching Czech Turkey and yeah I hate modern football.
Game ruined before 20 mins by another stupid ref decision. All of that has got so much worse after VAR…
Hope the Czechs pump them. I see the ref gave the boy who lobbed us from the half way line (Schick?) last euros a yellow while on the bench meaning he would miss the next game.
All he said (angrily) to the 4th official was ‘ty vole’ or ‘you ox’, or equivalent ‘you donkey’ to us.
I so hate this super controlled yet total shit version of football. It is all big money behind it, working to steal the game from the fans.
@Geri says:26 June, 2024 at 8:02 pm
“The Chinese have made an electric car that’s dirty cheap. $12,000 USD. Travel from New York to Florida Keys on ONE charge”
1200 miles? Course they have, Geri.
If you truly believe this (and why would you come on here to post lies? *), here’s what you should do.
Find out who it is the Chinese stole the technology from, and buy shares in that enterprise. Spend every penny you can scrape together.
(* = Rhetorical question indicator. We all know why.)
It is not enough to say that women are Adult Human Females if you continue to allow men with a GRC (as a direct consequence of the GRA 2004) to still gain entry to female spaces, etc. This is the current law of Scotland.
Very well said Lorna.
Men with a GRC are Adult Human Females.
GRC is a gender recognition certificate which should actually be called a sex recognition certificate because it allows change of sex on passport, drivers licence, birth certificate and for the person to claim to be an adult human female.
Even men without a GRC are adult human females. The GRA requires them to live as adult human females for a minimum of two years before getting their GRC. They can actually do that forever.
The law requires them to self-id as adult human females. Self-id is already here.
Too late to oppose self-id it’s already here.
The only way to oppose self-id is to oppose the GRA 2004.
Alba are not doing that.
There’s good discussions on Imperial & colonial plunder by Vjay Prashad & the difference. If they need any other resource. We know they don’t tho. They’re on a wind up.
Scotland is a colony. It ticks all the boxes. We’re under full & partial control & have absolutely zero say on any manner of how we are managed at home or abroad. Who lives here. What foreign policy we have. Even what referendums we can hold. Our territory is also occupied by huge private estates with dubious links to tax havens & our resources are plundered not for our benefit.
I dunno why yoons have a problem with two words easily defined
1. What’s a colony?
2. What’s a geno**ide?
It’s absolutely stumps them..do they think we’re all as daft as them?
Americas imperial crusades are also in full view. Independent countries who have their Sovereignty constrained by a bully boy. The EU is one big massive example of multiple independent countries being unable to conduct its own affairs without threat & sanctions.
9: Support singe-sex spaces and sex-based rights at all levels.”
That one made me laugh because I read singe in French.
Shitface
It’s true. See link.
Yet more hypocrisy from Geno Joe. Now the yanks don’t believe all their own bullshit about free markets & have switched to protectionism instead.
Oh deary. Gas guzzlers fcking up the environment too.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/14/first-thing-biden-announces-tariff-chinese-made-electric-vehicles
@Andy Ellis
I don’t know why you refer to the UN “finding the narrative unconvincing”. When was the UN asked and by whom or what to decide if Scotland is a colony?
I could have used other media to refer to Beveridge and Turnbull. They have written a book on the subject.
Here is a link to it.
https://medium.com/@colin.burnett89/the-scottish-cultural-cringe-non-fiction-7243f9e265d
I suggest you read it.
Your claim that most Scots think “it is bullshit” is, of course, thoughtless nonsense. You have no idea what most Scots think about the subject. Nor do I. I guess they know little about it.
England’s governmental approach to the now decolonised Ireland and Canada is exactly that of Scotland. Own parliaments but with power retained to override any legislation by the colonies it wished.
You might also want to consider the impact of the 1872 Education Act on the speaking of Gaelic.
“As a result of the low status placed on the language, and the perceived disadvantages of speaking it, many parents chose to encourage their children to speak English and did not pass the Gaelic language down, resulting in gradual language shift and substantial loss.
Subsequent laws attempted to address aspects of this, but it was not until the 1980s that Gaelic medium education was introduced into selected schools. However, by this time over 100 years had passed, and the damage was done.”
Or read Sharon Jessop on “Adorno: Cultural Education and Resistance.”
You won’t. You’d rather shout the odds.
Gordon Dangerfield’s follow up article.
https://gordondangerfield.com/2023/11/01/for-women-scotland-again/
First btl comment is by Neale Hanvey so he is well aware of the situation.
As a previous contributor to this site, maybe he could produce an article that would help clear up the matter.
As I see it the trouble with trying to change the reserved matter of the 2004 GRA is the ever-present issue of the inherent democratic deficit within the UK, and Scotland being outvoted by 10 to 1 and getting whatever England wants for governance.
But, still crack on falling out with blokes that are to most intents and purposes on your side, even if one is currently trying to help sort out a fuck up that is hindering the attempts of electing a woman that is extremely aligned with what you want.
Notably no outrage or concern expressed by Lorna or Ruby on that subject which I’ve mentioned and linked to up thread though. Where’s your support for your fellow sisters! 😉
@ Ruby
I said “women” have told me to butt out of discussing the implications of genderwoowoo on girls and women, even when it was clear these right on / woke / Guardian reading XY chromosome sporting entities really didn’t have much of a fucking scooby about the subject.
But that in no way implies you have asked me to butt out.
And out in the community as a bloke walking on eggshells carefully trying to highlight this stuff to some clearly uninformed females, they can so easily perceive and take that as a male imposing his views and ways on them.
That’s why it is such a sleekit divisive ideology as it so obviously and easily stokes division because snowflakes gonna snowflake.
Anyway, I try not to be solely focused on a single particular subject as find it far more useful to keep relatively well informed on an array of subject matters because most well-balanced folk I speak to when out and about aren’t generally infatuated on a single subject.
Czechs showing how you play to win against a much larger opponent (who cheats like fuck) after unjustly going to 10 men after 20 mins. If there is a football god out there… give them that goal.
ps I think this euros is very bent, i.e. corrupt, dodgy refs. inexplicable VAR… only inexplicable when you exclude money, totally explicable when you include money.
Scotland is double-colonised. Most western countries in a sense are colonised by big business and banks and in that we are no different. In Scotland though we have no means of counteracting that economic colonisation or defending ourselves because we are politically colonised too — the powers reserved by London means Scotland is essentially a free for all with an open door. We can’t regulate, tax, or do anything to stop the plunder.
Basically, a company from anywhere in the world can walk into Scotland and do what it wants. That has happened in every sector. We have no means of defending ourselves, our industries, or the environment. The consequences are all around us, from fishing to land ownership to renewables… it’s been so devastating for the Scottish economy that we are actually expected to thank foreign companies when they “invest” here.
@ Hatuey
Aye, exploited by foreign investors and companies richt enough. It’s not even that windy out at the moment to power all those turbines. Scotland is using 2.9GW of leccy and we’re still generating enough to send 3.3GW down to England.
https://extranet.nationalgrid.com/RealTime
And even with that mainland Europe is still supplying 20% of GB (England) Grid demand. (scroll to right to see euro interconnect gauges)
https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/
Still waiting on Captain Caveman or Campbell Clansmen explaining the positive benefits of London Rule facilitating such a farce of energy policy…
Similarly I’m wondering if they can explain why Norway has that muckle oil fund investment and returns.
Ach, any day now, I’m sure they’ll proffer an explanation.
Hatuey @ 9:52 pm
“The consequences are all around us, from fishing to land ownership to renewables…”
£150 billion+ a year. Aye, its no exactly sweeties. A massive exploitation and under-development of an entire people and nation. Well worth whatever the ‘administrative Power’ spends on security services and ‘confidential agents pensioned off at high reward’ (Cesaire).
As a previous contributor to this site, maybe he could produce an article that would help clear up the matter.
No need as far as I’m concerned because as I’ve said already I’m not voting for anyone.
It’s all clear to me as it is to Lorna.
I am not falling out with any blokes it’s you blokes who are falling out with me.
I don’t know what sister/cister you are talking about. I don’t read all you posts my interests are very limited I’m not one of those well-balanced folk that you speak to.
Honestly I have no idea what the folk on this forum are talking about most of the time.
Dan: it was the Scottish government that first ventured into reform of the GRA 2004 and pushed it through Holyrood. Reform has not yet passed through Westminster. The government that did that was a SNP/Green one, purportedly standing for independence.
Personally, I am sorry if you feel that your good wishes for us are not appreciated. I would like more men to do more. I also like Neale Hanvey and Mr Salmond and so not doubt their sincerity on this issue, as I do not doubt yours. However, so few seem to get it: if the GRA 2004 is not repealed, it will continue to be a springboard for reform, when what is actually needed is, perhaps, reform from a distinctly ‘trans’ perspective not affecting anyone else.
In fact, that came with the Hate Crime Act which specifically made a protected characteristic of ‘trans’ identity, not recognized in law before. They also want to be included in the Misogyny Act, if it ever sees the light of day. In the end, though, they want all that we have: nothing less than repeal of the GRA 2004 and GRCs will put an end to these interlopers.
There should be no question that they are men who consider themselves to be ‘transwomen’. If they don’t like that, tough; they have no right to anything else that is not theirs to have. They are not, never can be, women or girls and are not entitled to our rights. We did not pick this fight. They did. I shall say no more for now on this issue.
I’ve just picked up an election leaflet from Alyn Smith. It says: ‘It’s an SNP/Tory choice here. Only Alyn can lock out the Tories.’ Can’t find the word ‘independence’ anywhere.
How the MSM does its best to lie about Assange.
https://www.declassifieduk.org/julian-assange-freedom-this-time-no-thanks-to-the-media/
The G-re-at S-at-an is flooding Venezuela with NGO’s and spending millions of dollars in trying to oust the socialist and democratically elected President of Venezuela Maduro, the elections are scheduled for the 28th of July.
Washington’s preferred puppet to lead Venezuela is 74-year-old retired diplomat Edmundo González.
Those evil b*stards in Washington are always complaining of interference in elections yet the G-re-at Sa-t-an and its rogue CIA hatchet force are never done meddling in other countries elections, much of what ails the world today is down to the actions of the evil G-re-at S-ata-n.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/venezuela-elections-us-renews-regime-change-efforts/287696/
I’m lucky. I’m voting for Charlie Abel. Aberdeen North. A fantastic guy who will be attending the women’s hustings tomorrow in aberdeen. Snp, Labour, greens and Lib Dem’s still not committing to come.
Hi Ruby.
You actually typed,
“Honestly I have no idea what the folk on this forum are talking about most of the time.”
That caused a single eyebrow to travel in an upward direction. You are one of the most prolific commenters BTL here and have been for months. If you have “no idea what the folk on this forum are talking about most of the time” what warrants the deluge of comments from you daily?
Ha ha ha
Week before an election and the snp headline in prisoners getting out early.
The week before an election!!!
Don’t tell me they want to win any sort of result.
Lorna
I mentioned on twitter once that they should have their own spaces. They don’t want that. They want validated. Then others waded in about costs for a third space – aye well that’s not our problem to solve.
I also welcome men becoming involved. They have mothers, wives, daughters etc so have every right to speak.
I don’t think Neale should be associated to something he didn’t actually say. Especially in an election period. JMO.
Alba, last I heard Salmond say, was to respect women’s rights & open it to public assemblies to find common ground (it’d collapse in 5 minutes with TRAs in meltdown) & definitely not have female prisoners housed with TRAs. I dunno if it’s changed any.
It’s been a while since I watched parly TV tho The Queens Speech podcast is a good catch up on where all this gender woo is in WM with Clive Simpson & Dennis Kavanagh. Very funny at times too.
Also got an election leaflet from SNP
The word independence does not appear in it!!!
WTF is going on
How can they go to Westminster and argue for independence when they dont put it in their leaflet
The G-re-at S-at-an is flooding Venezuela with NGO’s and spending millions of dollars in trying to oust the socialist and democratically elected President of Venezuela Maduro, the elections are scheduled for the 28th of July.
This is an example of me not knowing what folk are talking about on this forum.
Andy Ellis says:
26 June, 2024 at 4:59 pm
Thank you for proving my point as you don’t have the self-awareness, humility or just plain common sense to know when to stop.
Och well, keep going and continue embarrassing yourself.
Entertainment Brian. I hope you enjoy my posts.
Ruby
World events & election interference by those great bastions of world democracy. LOL
Hi Ruby.
So, why comment?
Bananas
For entertainment and to practice my typing.
Why do you comment and ask others why they comment?
LOL yourself!
I don’t do world events.
So I never know what you and Andy Ellis are arguing about.
I’ll repeat
“Honestly I have no idea what the folk on this forum are talking about most of the time.”
Hi Ruby et al.
Comments BTL are supposed to have some relevance to articles ATL.
We have
https://wingsoverscotland.com/off-topic/comment-page-1
and
https://wingsoverscotland.com/quarantine/comment-page-1
for “entertainment” on WOS.
Why pee all over BTL on the latest page?
A lot of peeps outside the WOS “bubble” read the articles here and, possibly, the comments. Why dilute the importance of the world’s most read Scottish blog with crap on the latest pages?
Talking about elections IS on topic..
Whether it’s Starmer on proxy wars or Gender woo.
Tragically, in some seats it is likely that a few independence supporters abstaining, spoiling their ballots, or voting with their hearts rather than their heads, will allow some SNP candidates to keep their snouts in the Westminster trough.
Those wasted votes could (and in some seats surely will) make all the difference. All it takes is a few people to vote for a party that has no chance and someone like Stewart McDonald in Glasgow South gets re-elected.
Isn’t it ironic… a bunch of women who vote for a candidate on the basis that they believe in protecting women’s rights could ensure someone who dismisses them as TERFs gets elected. Throw in a bunch of people that think “repurposing” their ballots or abstaining is a good idea, and the risks increase dramatically.
I can’t stand politicians, generally speaking, and the thought of voting Labour, Lib-Dem, Green, or Tory, make me feel ill.
But the truth is elections are almost always about getting rid of the fuckwits you dislike the most. The idea that you go and vote for what you believe in (when nobody ever really offers it) is more or less a fairytale.
So, if you intend to vote for the people, the party, or the policies that you believe in, I think you’re being childishly stupid in this case, and I don’t want to hear of your compelling arguments or your feelings. While we are here, I’m also not interested in your favourite colour.
At least some of you are going to let SNP candidates win, and that’s deeply troubling.
The republican boy who can’t spell “Scotland” has decided we all need to learn something about Venezuela.
Here’s some fun facts.
Venezuela has the cheapest petrol in the world. 2p a liter. Fixed by government decree for the past twenty years.
The economy of Venezuela has been wrecked by the political incumbents. With an inflation rate that has soared above one million percent in recent years, Venezuela has the highest inflation rate in the world. Currently, it’s “only” 150%.
The only way for many ordinary Venezuelans to survive is by petrol smuggling. Uncounted numbers of people buy petrol at the discounted rate, then drive it across the border to sell in neighbouring countries at a profit, paid for in stable, foreign currencies, like the USD, for example.
By selling petrol on the black market abroad, and demanding payment in a foreign currency to buy food on the black market, ordinary Venezuelans can hope to keep body and soul together.
So why is the republican boy who can’t spell “Scotland” so exercised about Venezuela? Maybe he aspires to the Venezuelan lifestyle and economy on Scottish streets?
Possibly, but it’s mostly because the Venezuelan government and the Orcs are best buddies.
Brian Doonthetoon 26 June, 2024 at 11:51 pm
To be fair, the article is over 3 days old so it is to be expected that the BTL comments will deviate from article by now.
@ Hatuey says: 27 June, 2024 at 2:43 am
“The idea that you go and vote for what you believe in (when nobody ever really offers it) is more or less a fairytale”
How true that is.
Given the opportunity, Scotland would be voting overwhelmingly for Humous, but they are only standing in a few constituencies south of the border.
I will never forgive CM for deserting us in our hour of desperate need.
Hatuey @ 27 June, 2024 at 2:43 am
I totally agree with you and in a perfect world, that is the way people should act.
However, we are not in a perfect world and people are affected by tribalism in their voting habits. Therefore, SNP candidates will win in the coming election.
Shug
I took Alyn’s leaflet back out of my waste bin for a second look. Nothing about SNP policy at all, or rejoining the EU, which is what he’s always talking about. (Don’t even mention GRR). It’s all about what he’s done for the local area ie tourism; small business; bus services etc. But any decent party would have done that. And that’s what local councillors do.
What’s he spending all his time in Westminster doing? Why do we pay to send him to Westminster?
Shitface
Venezuela lives under fckn USA sanctions, ya eejit.
& USA Controls what it’s oil prices will be. WTF do you think ppl are finally dumping the Americans manipulating & destroying ppls economies on their whims & weaponising the $?
FFS Grandad, go organise yer backpack. Duty will be calling you soon.
Hatuey
People won’t vote labour. Get over it already. It’d be akin to me asking you to vote for Harvie. It’s just not going to happen. Having an SNP MP elected is far better than electing a geno-cidal warhawk who has the numbers & the nukes. SNP have hee-haw say on any of those grotesque moves.
The two horse race needs ending & it’ll not end by continuing to vote for this farce. Other parties need to start somewhere. When the system was up for change ppl really should have paid attention & voted FPTP to the bins of history.
MaryB
As the Americans are now finding out, the beast they created is biting them on the arse.
We send MPs there to listen, protect & fund other countries interests besides our own. Through NGOs & Lobby groups manipulating how MPs should vote on all subjects with a nice little backhander straight to their bank accounts.
SNP have done hee-haw in WM because they’ve been instructed to do hee-haw.
I shall say no more for now on this issue.
That’s a shame Lorna because I really do believe that the posters on Wings need to wake up and smell the coffee.
@ Hatuey
Many people will be the same position I am , ie the SNP Candidate is odds-on to win the seat so why REALLY waste a vote by giving it to a Unionist Candidate ?
Sure , ” major upsets ” are always possible and , eg * my * candidate D Hendry’s current 81% chance of retaining the seat COULD prove chimeric . Personally , I’m not risking it . It would/will be bad enough if he does retain the seat , but if he does despite Independence supporters voting for a Unionist it will be a double whammy of naffness .
Much as we both wish to see the SNP get hammered – ideally , returning zero candidates , that is very unlikely to happen , some of them will win . The best we can hope for is they lose a high % of their seats , sufficient to severely weaken them financially and in terms of their capacity to inflict more of their idiocies on us and continue to take the piss re – seriously – pursuing Independence .
I think Brian’s comments were directed at me.
I seem too have upset a few blokes.
Women seem to be doing that a lot lately.
Good question MaryB. Why do we send anyone to Westminster.
Dan tells us:
As I see it the trouble with trying to change the reserved matter of the 2004 GRA is the ever-present issue of the inherent democratic deficit within the UK, and Scotland being outvoted by 10 to 1 and getting whatever England wants for governance.
All the gender woo will be over soon. It’s served it’s purpose regarding noising up the right-wing to increase their chances of being elected & governments have sailed in draconian laws to restrict ppls freedoms. Job done. TRAs will now be told to GTF. No one is interested in their lady feelz anymore & normal service will resume.
I don’t think that will be a major problem. There are not that many women who believe there is any candidate in Scotland who can protect their rights.
Any thoughts on there being a bunch of blokes who vote for a candidate who believes in protecting women’s rights or did that idea just not enter your pretty little head?
I don’t think I’ll ever understand the English lol
Sir kid starver/lights oot/geno-cidal warhawk is just as pissed on the gender woo kool aid as the SNP are. It wasn’t that long ago that he was lecturing everyone about a women’s cervix & lady penises.
WTF are they voting for Labour?
Mental.
@ Ruby
Most of the regular posters on here have expressed their disgust at the * Gender * fanatics and declared their support for women in this fight to uphold something resembling sanity and protect not only the rights of women but the universally ( until fairly recently ) acknowledged definition of what constitutes the category Woman.
But why are so many women continuing to participate in , eg Sports , that allow kid-on * women * ( ie , creepy cheats with no chance of success in men’s competition ) to participate ?
The only way this absurdity will end is when women – en masse – totally withdraw their sanction ; which they give by participating in the absurdity .
I agree , though , that Parties like ALBA should be much more emphatic in denouncing/opposing the whole * Gender * mind-fuck .
Stop pandering and trying to be all things to all people . It just makes them look feeble .
They need to START TELLING THE TRUTH . And not just about that issue .
“The economy of Venezuela has been wrecked by the political incumbents. With an inflation rate that has soared above one million percent in recent years, Venezuela has the highest inflation rate in the world. Currently, it’s “only” 150%.”
Yes this is what happens when the G-re-at S-at-an applies thousands of sanctions against a country its economy struggles and it s people become angry and wrongly focus their attention on the incumbent party, applied sanctions ARE war by other means, the G-rea-t S-a-tan wants to oust the SOCIALIST president Maduro and replace him with a puppet who has (US) interests at heart. Chavez, the previous president and Maduro the incumbent president have done well on socialist policies including housing education and medical treatments.
The G-r-eat S-a-t-an applies these illegal sanctions to countries that don not comply with (US) interests, such as Cu-ba, I-r-an, Rooossshhh-ia, Venezuela, and other nations. If a nations leaders do not comply, then millions of dollars are spent trying to oust the leader and his/her party to install a G-rea-t S-at–an-s puppet leader who’ll put (US) interests first.
Geri
Maybe England is a country full of transgender women.
You could also ask WFT England voted Tory last time.
Maybe the simple answer is they just want a change or there are no good choices.
PS Could it be they want back into the EU?
@Geri says: 27 June, 2024 at 9:22 am
“People won’t vote labour. Get over it already”
Well, well. Geri has again demonstrated how she is master of her subject. Or mistress. Whatever.
I’m going to be scrupulously fair and promise that one week from tomorrow, if Geri is the only one in the entire country to have called it right, and people haven’t voted labour, then I’ll give Geri her well-deserved congratulations.
But I think I’m safe enough.
In fact, I’m going to spend the next week mulling over which is most apt:
Geri & the Mince Makers?
Geri & the Piss Takers?
Maybe both.
Geri
Ignored
says:
27 June, 2024 at 10:00 am
All the gender woo will be over soon. It’s served it’s purpose regarding noising up the right-wing to increase their chances of being elected & governments have sailed in draconian laws to restrict ppls freedoms. Job done. TRAs will now be told to GTF. No one is interested in their lady feelz anymore & normal service will resume.
It’s a shame Ellis doesn’t do ‘gender woo’ I would love to see the pair of you having a ding-dong over the above statement.
RoS
Well said.
Biden introducing more because, get this, “they haven’t delivered on their election promises” WTF?! FFS
It’s barking mad these eejits can just sanction countries on the most stupid of reasons & then have the cheek to wonder why everyone is dumping them as fast as possible.
I see they’ve cancelled their EU observers & called in that other new organisation (is that word moderated now too? FFS ?!) to witness their elections. Smart move.
Robert Hughes, that being the case, your vote isn’t going to make any difference either way. It’s an easy calculation to make.
There are seats where it will make a difference though.
Ruby
The EU is already kicking back on the gender woo shit. Turns out they’re not much into depravity & war after all.
Oh deary. His beloved EU inst doing as it’s telt & may join his beloved NATO in no longer existing in the not too distant future. They’re not much into warhawks in charge of their countries.
Von Der liar has been to the EU what Sturgeon was to the SNP. It’s so far removed from its original purpose that it’s now issuing out sanctions & complicit in crimes against humanity with gusto.
Regards voting Labour for the EU. Last I read there was absolutely zero chance of Labour reversing Brexit.
Have you or any of the regular posters on here read anything about women’s sport and why they continue to compete. I don’t know anything about sport. Do you have any answers? Why do women continue to compete?
You could also ask the question why are so many women continuing to participate in anything that involves kid-on men.
Why do we continue to use toilets that kid-on men can use.
It’s a huge problem and it’s not just a woman’s problem.
You say
‘Most of the regular posters on here have expressed their disgust at the * Gender * fanatics and declared their support for women’
That’s not enough you need to spend more time trying to come up with a solution or at least to look as if you are more interested than you are in the franchise or world affairs.
You can’t trust people who smile through their teeth. Its a dead giveaway. I was right about Forbes. Nasty little imp.
Alba’s problem is that it doesn’t get media attention and I’m afraid that going ‘all in’ against the gender stuff would probably not make much difference. The Scottish MSM (largely through its silence) has more or less demonstrated support the SNP position on gender reform over the years.
There were other options and issues that might have demanded media attention and made a difference but Alba bottled it. They could have very easily championed the anti-genocide cause, for example, but it’s too late now.
Maybe someone from Alba can come on and explain why they didn’t feel genocide was worth making a stand on in 2024. The general public seem to think otherwise and those who dismissed people like me 7 months ago must (should) feel a bit silly today.
“It has nothing to do with Scottish politics”
“We don’t have any influence over foreign policy”
“nobody cares about that stuff”
Duh!
The reason women continue in sports is because it’s their livelihood & what they’ve invested & trained for.
There is also the college places & sponsorship deals & the backlash & being blackballed & treated like a pariah by teammates, schoolmates & trainers.
The gender woo has been very good at treating a fetish as akin to playing the racism card.
(hmmm nothing getting passed the modbot today, one last attempt)
Man this trans stuff is really odd and sinister.
CandaceOwens (as previously mentioned) is saying she believes BrigitteM@cron is a trans ‘woman’. This is based on the investigative journalism of two people in Fr@nce who have exposed it all.
I have had a look at it myself and all I will say is I can totally understand why CandaceOwens has reached that conclusion…. very suspicious indeed.
And then I was thinking about the strange death of Jo@nRivers after she said this…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al_Wa-haozo&ab_channel=MeridianaNotizie
So let’s just assume for a second this is true… just a hypothetical, what are the chances the first lady of the US and the first lady of Fr@nce being trans woman and ‘married’ to secretly g@y men within such a short space of time.
And then Surgeon in Scotland, totally transfixed and obsessed with guess what… trans.
Ob@ma was dreadful, M@cron is dreadful, Sturgeon is dreadful. All extremely damaging to the nations they were meant to serve…
It is like something is using these people as fronts but they are mocking us as well. Flaunting their power by having these obscene characters in charge, ‘look how stupid they are that we can make a man the first lady and they do not notice’, rubbing our faces in it, laughing at us.
It is really is I hate to say, s@t@nic in nature. M@cron of course is currently a major driving force for WW3. Who is really pulling those strings you wonder.
“Possibly, but it’s mostly because the Venezuelan government and the Orcs are best buddies.”
You left out China.
Any countries leaders (usually socialist) that do not comply with the G-rea-t Sa-t–an-s interests, now seek alternative alliances, such as BRICS and the SCO. These alliances can sometimes protect them against the G-r-eat S-ata-n and its ever obedient minions such as the UK.
“In recent years, the strengthening of Sino-Venezuelan relations has intensified the visits of senior officials from both countries to follow up on various signed agreements.
Vice President Delcy Rodriguez and Chinese trade representative Wang Shouwen, for example, recently signed the Reciprocal Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement.
On May 13, President Nicolas Maduro also signed the Law Approving Air Services between Venezuela and China, in order to promote tourism.”
It would make a difference to women who are looking for a party to vote for.
Get it?
Hatuey
I dunno if you’ve noticed but this site even forbids it.
I’ve no idea why that is other than he doesn’t want that shit on here. His prerogative but it’s current politics & current in elections.
Labour will have you kitted out & straight back to war as soon as they get the keys. In my world that’s far more fcking important right now than chicks with dicks crying about their fcking pronouns that Ruby seems to have.
Just saying.
I don’t get the Labour shit. *Turn off the food & electricity to an occupied state* but vote for those arseholes next week folks lol!
In the world of cause and effect the ‘less than one percenters’ are due to skelp the wall anytime soon.
I think you’ve been spending too much time with Andy Ellis.
Unlike Andy Ellis I will not be spending 24/7 arguing with you.
Lorna Campbell,
26 June, 5:06 pm,
No I am not saying that women have to do Court cases to prove who they are,
I am saying it is Womens best interest to ensure that we make every Effort to research and destroy the union,
because any nonsense about not recognising Women is Scrapped,
every hate Crime bill become scrapped,
Every trans-disphoria is scrapped.
Every geo- engereering ideology is Scrapped,
Scotland sharing a national debt with England is Scrapped,
Every Free- port is scrapped,
The Parliament of England branch office the Devolved Government pretending to pass “Scots laws” would be Srapped.
Every instance of Scotland begging for freedom referendums would be Scrapped and we end the Colonialism over Scotland.
It is Great Britain British that under paid women in the work force compared to men dong the same job,
In ending the treaty of union by one method or another we aid and help all women gain their freedom and right to live as human beings and save our children and grand children for generations to come,
Women have often been the power house supporting every good man, and are the main ones that place protecting familes first,
What I am saying is that Women need to ensure that the treaty of union is Scrapped, or thoroughly breached as it is no Different from when women had “fought for their rights” on any other occasion,
it was not the politicians that started the fight for womens rights,
It was not the men that started the movement to fight for womens rights, and it looks like it will not be the men or politicians that end the ideology nonsense that is engulfing Britain right now,
And just a reminder of how powerful Women can be,
Remember it was women that were suffragettes,
It was Icelandic Women that jailed bankers in the financial crash,
It is a woman leading Salvo,
And their your have your reason why the trans community and elites are trying to peddle backwards on Womens rights, because they are well aware of which group they need to put back in their box to bring in one world order and people losing the sense of who they are,
If WOMEN want a Great RE-set on how to access and regain Womens rights this is it, because of the way they are being treated here and always have been in “Great Britain” there is no better place than starting, than what is binding us, where our Womens rights are being Attacked, Scotland, England, Wales, Ireland, than scrapping that Great-Britain who is allowing it to happen and encouraging it to happen as always.
What do we do about it Geri?
Ignore it and focus on why folk vote Labour?
I can be a bitch too Geri!
Lorna Cambell,
I am a women that has lived the experience of being treated as a second class citizen in Great Britain all my life, From lower wages, physically abused, mentally abused, homeless. And a waspi women fighting for my penson which I still have not got because civil servants thought that they could delete all my 40 years of working records,
thousands of womens records have been deleted.
I Want Change, A drastic change,, people think it is a unfair political system once in a blue moon when they go to vote,
Or they think it is unfair the way Scotland is treated,
I am of the opinion that Women have been under the State of Colonialism by men politicians for a hell of lot longer than any dammed Country,
Well Ruby
As the Act is a reserved matters it has very little to do with Scots. 56 Lab/Lib/Tory/SNP won’t change a damn thing until England changes it’s mind & they don’t look like doing it as they vote in the Labour party who hold the exact same views on that issue as the SNP does.
Crying about it on here won’t change it.
56 Scots signatures complicit in war crimes will have far greater consequences tho.
Stop policing the board. Ppl can talk about whatever they want, yourself included. Something you dislike yourself. Another do as I say eh? It’s no one else’s fault that others aren’t interested in what is a distraction from real life shit going on that’s the least of everyone’s problems right now.
Did you guys here about the dyslexic devil-worshipper?
He sold his soul to Santa!
Gordon
Did you hear about the agnostic, dyslexic, insomniac?
OK Geri whatever you say.
I’m leaving now. I am very very sorry that I’ve been a distraction.
The point is that “Stu” has been on about womens rights dissappearing and being abused for more than a year now.
I would hardly say it was off topic, and I am looking for ways to end the long standing Great Britain disgusting Anti- human great british attitude towards women,
And to end the treaty of union that imposes on “Scots Private rights” through Westminsters branch office colonial devolved Government pretending to be a Scottish government so they can Claim these are the laws of Scots,
Bullshit.
Scotland has not had a Scottish parliament since 1707 and it is about time that People in Scotland woke up,
We re not electing Mps for Scotland at all, we are electing MPs for Englands parliament of Westminster, because a Scottish parliament under dissolution cannot have any members.and cannot represent its constituents,
Everything is reset for Scotland and the people of Scotland when they wake up and fight the root cause of what ails them on all aspects,
The treaty of union,
End or suspend it while investigations are done,
I pop in here for a quick look at the latest drivel folks are posting and what do I find?
Two of my favourite posters…fighting…over men of all things. And now Mrs Che has been pulled into the fight (another of my favourites). I can hardly believe it. Something has gone terribly wrong here.
Having said that I’ve had women fight over me in the past.
It was my blonde hair and my blue eyes and my strong but gentle and caring nature they were after…oh, and the £20 million quid I had in the bank might have had something to do with it – but I don’t think so; Candy and Kitty both loved me for my personality, I’m sure.
And neither one of them ever mentioned my clubbed foot or my spinal hump or my triple chin. True love is blind – and then some – it seems.
I just made that up – their real names were Finola and Marjorie. And I only had £10 million in the bank – I’m prone to exaggeration. Something Finola and Marjorie both remarked on during our more ‘intimate’ moments.
Hey, Mrs Che.
Hope you and your spouse are having a good day. I meant to reply to one of your comments on a previous thread but had to go do other stuff in the real for a while.
What are Ruby and Geri like? Anyway, I don’t want to get between them or they might beat me up next. I’m sure they’ll be chummy again soon, though.
If I was going to right the wrongs imposed of Scottish women the first thing on my agenda would be rid ourselves of the pretend Scottish parliament passing Englands laws through the back door. pretending they were Scots Law,
And the way to do that is to stop consenting, Stop voting for them to continue being in the pretend parliament sent to Scotland,
Because what you are voting for is permission and consent for Westminster to rule England and Wales with only one set of laws,
And permission for Westminster to impose on Scotland separate sets of laws,
Wether that is the Hate Crime Bill, or ruth daviidsons rape legislation, or trans issues, or Free- ports, or paying up and above energy prices in Scotland when we produce most of the energy.
How do you think voter identification will work out for women when it comes to women,
Slap laws of great britain on Scotland and then a double two tier layer set of laws on Scotland through the pretendy parliament.
Vote to be colonised in Scotland and colonialism will continue in Scotland.
SIT!
One sperm says to the other ‘Are we nearly at the womb yet?’ the other answers ‘No we are still in the
oesophagus. Keep swimming’.
That was the dirty joke Donald Sutherland (RIP) told on the Jonathan Ross Show
He did it with so much style it took me a moment to realise it was a dirty joke plus I didn’t immediately recall where the oesophagus was.
The answer to my earlier question about the the agnostic, dyslexic, insomniac is
he lies awake wondering if there is a dog.
Ruby
For the record I didn’t mean *you* are a distraction. I meant this whole gender woo crap has been because while the media & the public focused on that, governments elsewhere quietly slipped in laws & bypassed public scrutiny.
It’s all relative. This gender woo crap is a directive from the yanks that everyone is forced to implement regardless of it being political su-icide for the eejits who follow it’s orders. This has just been one of many as the yanks seem intent on destroying the EU & it’s economies. Good luck finding out their method to their madness. There doesn’t seem to be any other than to annoy the fck out of ppl to vote for the right leaning parties. Socialism to them is the new communist tag. They always require an enemy. Bernie was soon shuffled out of relevance too. There’ll be none of that socialist crap. We can discount Labour cause they’re no longer socialist either & have had to lunge to be in the running.
Ruby
Your SIT command is my…command. I am now sitted.
Hadn’t heard that joke before – I can just imagine Donald Sutherland delivering it in his droll style. I’m genuinely a bit sad that he’s passed. He was brilliant in Kelly’s Heroes alongside Clint Eastwood.
I’ve heard the agnostic joke before – but to be polite I’ll pretend to laugh anyway. Don’t want to hurt your feelings and get on your wrong side. 🙂
Please note my smiley – it means I’m joking, you know.
Ms Gilruth:
How long have you been in post for?
Why are the Treaty of union 1707, the Act of union with England, Scotland’s constitution and the fact that Scotland entered that treaty as a sovereign state, still not taught in Scottish schools as a fundamental part of Scotland’s history?
Have you actually reviewed the curriculum at all since you started in post?
What kind of illiterate muppet decided it was more important to pollute our kids’ minds with anti-science crap like queer theory or gender ideology bullshit instead of teaching them historic facts like the treaty of union and Scotland’s rights under that treaty, for example?
Who decided that our kids don’t have the fundamental right to know about the reasons why their country is in the position it is now, so they can change things when they grow up?
who decided that our children do not have the right to be educated enough to understand just how useless, self-serving and compliant with a colonial power Scotland’s politicians have been for over 300 years to render Scotland in the diminished position it is now?
Shakespeare was an English writer who predated the treaty of union. He had been dead for almost a century before the treaty of union with England was signed. So, would you care to explain why it is more important for our Scottish children to learn a lot about this English writer and so little about Scotland’s own writers? What exactly makes this writer better than Scotland’s own ones?
Why aren’t Scottish children taught Scotland’s own languages, Ms Gilruth? Who was the muppet that decided it is more important for Scotland’s children to have the option to learn French or Spanish, but they are denied the opportunity to choose being taught Scotland’s own languages?
Who was the idiot that decided it is more important for our children to communicate with foreign people in France or Spain rather than communicating with their own fellow Scots in the parts of Scotland that speak Scots or Gaelic?
Who was the idiot that decided it was a good idea to force Scotland’s languages die to ensure the supremacy of England’s language over the entire union?
How on earth can you justify claiming you support Scotland’s independence when you and your predecessors have been doing nothing in your power to facilitate this by giving a necessary uplift to what passes as “Scotland’s history” or “Scotland’s languages” in schools?
Actually, How can you justify your salary when we have seen no progress whatsoever on these matters?
We have had carrots a plenty from the SNP gravy slurpers, but after 10 miserable years of toxic Sturgeonism, actions towards our schools teaching our kids about their country’s full history and constitutions, teaching them Scotland’s languages and culture have not progressed even an inch.
Any person with a functioning brain cell realises that not teaching our children about their own country’s history, languages and culture not only endangers Scotland’s heritage, but also makes its children become far more susceptible to abuse from the colonial power. So, Ms Gilruth, have you not done anything to progress this matters perhaps because you have been knowingly cooperating with the imperial power to ensure our kids remain compliant with its abuse so the imperial power can continue stealing Scotland’s assets once they grow to become adults?
What can you possibly say to justify your lack of action in these matters?
And please do not give us the excuse of lack of funds. Your government has found plenty of funds to waste in useless court cases, malicious prosecutions, subsidising even more useless and toxic quangos, cover the costs of useless “ministers for independence” and, blatantly, for a moment, cover the costs of personal roaming charges for some colleague of yours inflicted while on holidays.
We have some people in these threads continuously lecturing us about how “meaningless” old documents are because the majority of the people of Scotland does not know about them.
You do not need above average IQ to know “old documents” pertaining to Treaties still extant, as the Treaty of union with England or the Treaty of Utrech, are very important, not only from a historic point of view, but from a geographical, political, economical and diplomatic perspective too. Anybody with more than two brain cells realises that the revocation of any of those treaties will have significant consequences affecting more than one country.
What thes “anti-old documents” brigade never dare to address is the reason as to why not enough people in Scotland knows about the Treaty of Union and what it means.
Well, I would like to address that today. The problem starts in our schools. Our kids are not being taught about this and I think Ms Gilruth has questions to answer as to why, despite the SNP having been in power since 2007, this continues to be the case.
Ruby: “It would make a difference to women who are looking for a party to vote for.”
It wouldn’t make a difference to Alba in terms of the media attention they get or, concomitantly, the number of seats they’d win.
The idea that all we should talk and care about is gender reform has played a big part in ruining Scottish politics over the last few years. I could very easily make a case for arguing that it’s a relatively trivial issue in the great scheme of things, but I’ll refrain.
More than anything it has been a huge distraction and I believe it was intended as such — to distract our attention from much more important matters, and divide us. Certainly that’s what it has done.
I say that as someone who broadly agrees with the sentiments of the site owner and most who comment here on the subject.
Mac
Ignored
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26 June, 2024 at 8:20 am
I am not a fan of Alex Jones but this is a brilliant analysis of why we are on the brink of WW3 by kimdotcom. Very smart guy, can’t recommend it enough.
“I haven’t done any interview in years and this may be my last one as the world is on the brink of nuclear war. Here’s why we are facing the abyss.”
https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1805322917645107481
Just catching up, but yeah, that’s a very sobering discussion.
I’m no expert, but this scary stuff has been on the radar for a long time, but the West, collectively, seem totally incapable of deciphering the writing on the wall.
It’s a bit like Boris Johnson becomming PM… On the table for years, while everybody laughed and waited for common sense to make an appearance, but the comedy script went unchallenged, and the cream of the cretins got his way.
I don’t see an easy way out of this for the US, but there’s an outside chance seeing Western equipment so outclassed in Eastern Europe might make the US pause for thought before esclation. Sadly, pausing for thought is hardly a US tradition.
I still like the shape of a BRICS friendly Global Freight Facility getting developed at Scapa Flow, with new trade bargaining routes becomming like a pressure release valve which generates alternatives to Armageddon.
Republicofscotland and europhiles everywhere, this will cheer you up, or perhaps not.
“Ursula von der Leyen: Beyond Redemption”, George Georgiou, Naked Capitalism, https://archive.ph/Z5ry9
American boots are on the ground. Now you can be sure Euro boots will follow. Once it’s over, we can rebuild. A new Europe will rise, like a phoenix, from the ashes. Again.
Northcode,
Good afternoon young man, and how are you?
When two young men fought with fisty cuffs over myself when I was younger and which one was taking me home, I thought I was back in the dark ages observing barbarians.
I mace a decision to leave them to it, and got a taxi home,
That was a obvious situation, and how to deal with it, however I often became married to slick talkers not unlike politicians. With mental problems or drink problems
I wish my mother had warned me against that kind of man, that is why I set great value on my third husband, a gentle giant of a Scotsman. Full of humour and and kind to whomever he meets.
He has no money, I have no money, its how you treat someone that has the highest value,
Slick talk won’t does does not get very far with myself all these years later,
I cannot advertise a bands name for obvious copy right reasons, but what you said reminded me of Austin Brown singing, When a man loves a woman” his cover of that song does him much credit,
Which of corse is from a mans perspective,
As to being in the fight for womens hard won rights not to be stolen, I guess I have always been that way inclined since I first read the Adam and Eve story, and how a man excused his weakness by blaming Eve,
Dave allan did and excellent alternative take on Adam and Eve,, I can’t say anymore than that, again for copy right reasons,
Stuart
Good article. To add further to her dodgy dealings there’s her possible upcoming charges for being complicit in war crimes in two countries & I’ve read she’s being given £50 billion to set up the EUs very own industrial complex with its own shoo-ins that will no doubt entail.
Forever wars seems to be her gig while the EU pays for it all.
*Military industrial complex..
Hatuey,
It matters because On average 50 % of votes are womens,
Womens rights matter because they are no different from the rights of man,
Both are Humans,
Hatuey @ 1.28pm
“I could very easily make a case for arguing that it’s a relatively trivial issue in the great scheme of things, but I’ll refrain.”
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You could probably say a great many issues are trivial ‘in the great scheme of things’. There’s always something unimaginably terrible happening somewhere.
It’d be more interesting to hear your argument outwith that context, ie why you see it as a ‘relatively trivial issue’ in itself (if indeed that is what you think).
Mrs Che,
I’m good today, thanks for asking. I’m not bored and that’s always a good sign.
You devil, Mrs Che. You temptress – inducing simple men to fight each other for your favour. 🙂
Ruby: I’m afraid that many of the men on here, albeit they might well agree with us on the gender woo woo, still regard it as a women’s issue and a distraction from independence. They just do not get it. They do not get just how dangerous this ideology is because it’s not their rights that are being suborned. They cannot imagine that it will ever affect them directly. George Orwell could tell them a thing of two. This stuff, for women, is every bit as bad any English colonialism.
Afghanistan: I hear they are stoning women to death in the main square, today, Hamid – oh, forget that, it’s a distraction; Iran: I saw a young girl beaten to death yesterday for not wearing a head covering, Ali – oh, that’s just a distraction. Nigeria: Boko Haram kidnapped my little daughter, raped her and, now, she is pregnant with her second child at just 12 years of age, Salim – oh, that, it’s just a distraction.
Independence did not change anything for these females because the male colonization of female rights just continued. The brutalization of women and girls appears to be a pre requisite for any new state these days. Female rights and issues will never engage men in huge numbers because everything to do with females is a distraction for them. The Rev is one of the few men who has consistently and with huge sympathy and wit, stood up for females in Scotland. His mammy must be a wonderful woman because he gets it.
Is the current aim not for Alba to get votes? To get media attention they need to get votes.
To get votes you need people to vote for you. If women are looking for a party to vote for would it not be a good idea for a party to find out what women want instead of dismissing their concerns as a trivial issue.
It’s too late now Alba has established itself as the man’s party.
Unfortunately for Alba they are up against a whole host of other men’s parties.
They haven’t dared to be different and come the next Holyrood election they will be up against all the men’s parties fighting for the men’s votes and one Womans Party who will get all the Women’s votes.
What are all these important issues we should be concentrating on?
Can we only concentrate on one issue at a time?
PS. I’ve very much got the message that women’s issue are considered a trivial issue here on Wings.
Trying hard to figure out what the important issue is.
I understand when Stu wrote articles here on Wings about gender ideology there were complaints from ‘The Trivial Issue Brigade’
The other person who gets is is Graham Linehan.
Maybe Stu & Graham are highly sensitive, creative & intelligent and those who don’t get it or just not gifted in that way. Maybe they are actually from Mars where women have penises.
Hardly a woman’s issue when it’s men who are causing all the problems.
To the commenter above, how the hell is Alba a “man’s party” ?? Last time I checked it’s about Scottish independence, which isn’t only for men.
Great news about Julian Assange being freed. I commented on here yesterday about it but was a bit excited and overlooked the autofill putting in the wrong email address so didn’t get through. Anyway I hear Killary Klinton is furious, now she’ll be denied the opportunity to feast on his carcass. She really is a piece of work, witness her grotesque cackling over the video of Gaddafi being sodomized to death with knives.
“We came, we saw, he died HA HA HA HA”
Couldn’t decide whether to vote Alba or repurpose the ballot. I’ve come down in favour of voting Alba though I’m not 100% convinced about them either. It would be too easy, if/when it starts to gain momentum, growing membership, more public awareness etc, for globalists to infiltrate it as with SNP.
I like the idea of just writing End The Union on the ballot but that’s only going to mean anything if at least 15% of the electorate do it and that’s not going to happen though if there was absolutely no other option then yes why not but here in Glasgow North there is an Alba candidate.
I’ve said I broadly agree with most on the subject and am left wondering what sort demonstration of ideological purity would satisfy those baying for more.
To clarify, I said “relatively trivial”, not trivial. Words matter.
Ruby: “Is the current aim not for Alba to get votes? To get media attention they need to get votes.”
You’ve got that back-to-front.
The truth of the matter is that gender issues don’t seem to be as important to the wider electorate as they are to you. I could be wrong, I genuinely don’t watch much TV or things like Question Time where public opinion is given a platform, but I just don’t see many men or women chomping at the bit over the subject.
I take no pleasure in pointing that out.
Public opinion is still largely shaped by the MSM and that is the big problem we face on a range of issues, making it all the more important for parties like Alba and other who want to foment change to come up with attention-demanding strategies.
Ruby: “Can we only concentrate on one issue at a time?”
Well done. Thats my very point.
In terms of the responsibility we all have as thinking human beings to prioritise certain subjects over others, and the associated issue of gauging importance vis-a-vis relative triviality, I think most of us would agree that 40 thousand unarmed civilians getting massacred is a marginally more immediate and profound issue than a few guys pretending they are women in the female toilets.
I concede that that is a value judgement and your judgement may be based on alternative values. That is also just one example of things that I regard as more important, based on those same values; other examples include, getting the SNP out, independence, poverty and the cost of living, the possibility for Armageddon, homelessness, the dire state of the NHS, drugs-related deaths, and world peace.
@ Ruby and Lorna: the Rev “get’s it” about women and children being demeaned and endangered by the supposed “trans” activists because his whole approach is that the truth is the fundamental foundation for everything.
So if people are lying about sexual classification or political policies then the Rev will spot that and will speak up. And thank goodness he does.
“gets” not “get’s”. The Apostrophe Society will be on my doorstep any minute. 🙂
@ Ruby
” That’s not enough you need to spend more time trying to come up with a solution or at least to look as if you are more interested than you are in the franchise or world affairs. ”
No , I don’t . I don’t ” need ” to do anything , but FWIW ….the only ” solution/s ” I can think of is the one you yourself advocate , ie doing away completely with the GRA ; I would add …. support ONLY Parties/Politicians uncontaminated by the * gender * brain-eating virus & boycott all Companies / Media , TV/Cinema , Arts etc sources that promote it
Anyway , I thought ” Sisters Are Doing It For Themselves ” . How’s that going ?
I’ve rarely said anything about ” the franchise ” , other than that in the ( extremely unlikely , n who wants one anyway ? ) event of another Referendum , having the exact same franchise as 2014 would almost certainly result in exactly the same outcome . Defeat .
As for ” world affairs ” – don’t know about you , sista , but arguing against a possible , endgame , nuclear WW3 is pretty high in my priorities . As has been said previously , all the shit that’s going down – inc the * gender * shit , is ultimately issuing from more-or-less the same sources , ie horrible , arrogant bastards trying to inflict their agendas on a public who neither asked for nor desire it .
Geri . Yes , I get that ….
” The reason women continue in sports is because it’s their livelihood & what they’ve invested & trained for.
There is also the college places & sponsorship deals & the backlash & being blackballed & treated like a pariah by teammates, schoolmates & trainers. ”
The first thing to say is women should never have been placed in this invidious position in the first place . THAT is the main point .
It gets a little bit messy after that though , because what it comes down to is that the women who ” go along ” prioritise their own personal * success * and material benefits ahead of Women generally : granted , as you say , many – understandably – want to avoid the hysterical opprobrium resulting from not complying with the lunacy .
I’m not making a value judgement on such women , they are entitled to make those decisions as they see fit .
The nett result though is the continuation / intensification of that lunacy .
In the end it’s not ” a man thing ” or a ” woman thing ” – it’s a ” human being thing ” .If ANYONE can’t see what’s wrong about TWAW , they’re lost causes .
Hmm, muchos posting today whilst I was out at work… But still it would appear none of these women (or men) on here that are so concerned about Genderwwoowoo / GRA have even bothered to check out the issues, or even pass comment on, or voice support for I4I candidate Sally Hughes with what she is enduring in Perth and Kinross-shire constituency, with significant amounts of her campaign leaflets being delivered to the wrong constituency, and not having them delivered to the correct constituency.
The most read Scottish politics site and naebody gies a fuck about a fairly big screw up which is compromising an election process.
This is Scottish society in a nutshell and why it is going nowhere anytime soon. A load of folk happily mouthing aff and getting rather lairy and being needlessly divisive with one another about a matter, but when it comes to actually showing solidarity and strong unified support for someone that has made the considerable effort to step up on that specific matter (amongst other things)… silence.
It’s embarrassing tbh and folk have a cheek slagging off the national kickball team’s tactics when our own political gameplay is a remarkably similar level of utter shite.
Rev Stu and Ellis have zero time for Wishart, so one might have thought they’d be eager to see him ousted. And not forgetting they both (as Ellis endlessly reminds us of), tell us all we need to do is simply win over more Scots to support Scotland returning to self-governing status; But there’s no show of support for, and heehaw to say when a blatant hurdle is put in place for someone that is trying to do just what they tell us needs done.
@ Dan: I did my comment on Sally Hughes’ problems with Royal Mail and other issues with the electoral system as an independent candidate, on her post on Yours for Scotland.
She and Colette were both hamstrung from the start and Royal Mail’s numerous failures have made things even harder. If leaflets don’t get out on time then postal voters aren’t getting properly informed. The postal vote system is ridiculously undemocratic – they should be issued the day before the poll and the result delayed until 2 days afterwards to give time for the votes to be returned. This overnight count obsession is an expensive and unnecessary procedure.
Dan @ 16.46.
As always, thanks for your common sense contributions, Dan.
There’s agreement that we need to get rid of the SNP. Not just because of the gender issue (clearly not everyone cares much about that). But because the SNP are actively working against independence.
However, if it wasn’t for the gender issue there might be a lot less pro-independence people not voting for (or actively voting to get rid of) the SNP.
Without it you’d be left trying to convince a lot more independence supporting people that the SNP has not only abandoned independence but is actively working against it, which is a difficult message to get across, especially to those who are less engaged with independence and/or politics generally, and who look to the MSM as their source of information. They’d simply not believe you and keep on voting SNP.
The gender issue has certainly caused division in the Yes movement, but not in the desire for independence. It’s one of the major things helping (hopefully) to bring an end to the SNP, and that’s what most people on here want.
There will still be the WGD type pro-independence, pro-gender (or disinterested in gender) voters voting SNP or Green next week. It’s the pro-independence, anti-GRA vote that doesn’t have anyone to give their votes to (with only a very few exceptions). Alba could have been that option. It would be interesting to know if anyone voting for Alba next week would have decided not to vote for them if they’d adopted an anti-GRA policy. After all, if it’s not all that important to the wider electorate, what harm would it have done?
@ Dan
I read Sally’s post on YFS the other day . Shite craic to be sure .
I didn’t comment on the post , on this occasion , as others had already said what I would have said and didn’t see the point of just repeating the same things .
I dunno , seems like someone is always going to complain about what others choose to or choose not to comment on .
As I said , avoiding Armageddon seems * fairly * important .
The you was plural. Youse.
No nobody needs to do anything however if youse want to prove you are interested/concerned about the topic youse would have to at the very least make a comment or two and maybe not complain about Stu writing an article about the topic or dismiss the issue as being trivial.
Youse are perfectly free to take no interest whatsoever in the rights of women & girls and sit back and say ‘they can sort it our for themselves but just don’t claim to be concerned.
“Sisters Are Doing It For Themselves ” Is that not just a song.
Is there anything else you think women should sort out for themselves. WW3 maybe or independence?
I wonder if the police are holding back at ‘The Let Women Speak’ meetings because they’ve heard that song.
I agree with Ruby ,I agree with Lorna, unfortunately NOTHING will change unless a political party states openly and vehemently that they will fight and DEMAND that the 2004 equalities act is repealed and destroyed , no amount of weasel words will make any difference and that is what ALBA and the tories are proposing
AGAIN I ask WHY would a self confessed independence activist,independence fighter, equalities representative,socialist leaning empathetic person,outspoken FEMALE activist SUDDENLY resign her membership and position from a independence party led by a person who many believe is the Messiah, THAT person felt strongly enough about independence and WOMEN’S ISSUES to walk away from that organisation , WHY, does she BELIEVE the WEASEL WORDS of compromise where ACCOMMODATION will be reached or is she like me who believes that NO ACCOMMODATION should be given with the mentally ill and DEVIANTS
I take it you’ve been blacklisted by Facebook because I’ve just tried to share this article 3 times with different sections of the text and each time I’ve had a notice that they’ve removed my post.
I have been to ‘Yours for Scotland’ and to the Sally Hughes website but I haven’t any info about the problems with Royal Mail.
Dan if you can post a link I will definitely comment and hopefully offer some helpful suggestions.
Could be neither you nor my cis/sister will like what I say.
Cheers twathater
That was a bit of a mystery.
@ Ruby: Sally Hughes’ article is titled “Loaded Dice” and it was posted on YfS yesterday [26th June]. The Royal Mail “service” has been appalling – I think it should be made compulsory that they put the free election delivery as their priority.
Th G-re-at S-ata-n and the Zzzio-Mon-ster-s are to supply the Knne-o Kna-tt-zz-i regime in U with weapons. A trifecta of evil.
Ministers and senior officials of the United States, Izh–hel and U are negotiating the supply of up to eight Patriot air defense systems to K-ie-v.
Well like Sweden it didn’t take long for the Fins to paint a huge bullseye on their backs after becoming the 31st member of the bullyboys club N-a-to.
Helsinki has allowed N-at–o and other countries to use its military airfields, and the current Finnish President Alexander Stubb, insists on the deployment of nuclear weapons in the country.
As Kissinger once said.
“It may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal.”
I suppose Ratcliffe knows a thing or two about the petrochemical industry. Europe by putting the Gr-e-at S-atan-s interests ahead of its own businesses and citizens has floored Europe and the treacherous Atl-antic-ists will help keep it down and paying more for its energy.
“Jim Ratcliffe, one of the richest people in the UK, in a conversation with American journalists, said that the current situation in the energy market has actually crippled the petrochemical industry in Britain and Europe, sending it, if not into a deaf knockout, then into a heavy and painful knockdown. The reason for this is the exorbitant prices for electricity and carbon, and the reason for this is the cut chains of hydrocarbon imports from Roooshhi-a, thanks to which generating companies have always had fuel for boilers, and petrochemists have the backbone raw material for work. Ratcliffe argues, as a shark of the world’s petrochemical industry, that the cost of a megawatt-hour for European industrial customers today is five times higher than for their counterparts in North America. As a result, over the past two years, European specialized companies have simply physically lost the ability to compete with American or Asian players, which has already resulted in the closure of complex chemical industries, or they have fled to the United States and Asia, where there is a sea of cheap electricity and there are no problems with the search for raw materials. The head of the Ineos Group ended his gloomy speech very funerally, mentioning that there are fewer and fewer players in the petrochemical market in Europe and he has never seen anything like this in his life.”
For decades (starting in the 80’s) men were attacked, denigrated and demonised by feminism.
Every advert every film every tv program has an oafish unattractive male versus the smart attractive woman. It is still in full swing today.
Woman IMHO by and large had zero problem with rubbishing men and masculinity for a long long time.
You never stood up for men at all, you loved it.
This is why I don’t think men give a fuck about your problems now the guns have been turned on you.
I don’t mean to say this in a fuck you way. I just think men are not going to help you. We are pissed off.
It is obviously all by design.
@ Ruby
Sigh… it’s linked to up thread ya donut. You better not be wearing an “Alert Reader” badge!
But in case it’s too hard for you to find what with the complexity of yer brain having to move a finger on a mouse scroll wheel…
https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2024/06/26/loaded-dice/
And jist why the fuck are you using (twice now) the term “cister” which is language used by the very ideology that you and most on here including me want gone. Gonnae wise up or stop trolling.
Cheers Sarah
I’ve read the article but I don’t really have a lot to say.
Maybe just that it might be time to think of a better way than leafleting. Do most people not just dump them in the bin?
I don’t really think Dan was all the interested in hearing comments about this unfortunate incident he just wanted to have a go at women posting about ‘trivial issues’
Here in the new Broughty Ferry & Arbroath seat I have received precisely NO party leaflets through my door. It has not been chapped. That at least would provide a welcome divergence as I would treat it as a bloodsport. First question would of course be “What is a woman” just after noting I’m PhD in a Biomedical Science.
So even the TRAs have admitted I am qualified to sex animals and peoples.
Let them come, I am in my lair armed with a razor sharp mind, waiting.
Kallas has a minus 70% rating in Estonia this is the number of citizens who answer yes to the question of whether Kallas should leave office.
Kallas has raised money for the Knneo-Knnatt-izi regime in U at her own citizens expense, social programs were cut, payments were increased, and at the same time new fees were introduced – for example, the tax on car ownership, which extremely upset the population.
Lets not forget Sturgeon the Judas sent £67 million quid to the Knneeo_Kn–attz-i regime of U, yet children go hungry in Scotland, our NHS is in a sorry state and there’s a housing emergency in Scotland.
EU citizens are suffering as well, in their respective countries politicians send billions of Euros into the Knneeo-Kn-nattz-i regime of U, aided and abetted by the treacherous Atlanticists
She is from a rich banking family and her husand made millions selling trucks to Roooshhhia when Kallas as the countries leader forbade any sales to Roooshhhi-a under the penalty of imprisonment.
“Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas, one of the EU’s most outspoken Roosshi-a critics, is tipped to step into the most powerful foreign policy role in Brussels in a move that could send a strong signal to Mo-s-cow.
The bloc’s 27 leaders have pencilled in Kallas’ name for the EU’s top diplomatic job, currently held by Spain’s Josep Borrell, with a final decision expected this week.
If her nomination is formalised by EU leaders on Thursday and then approved by the European Parliament’s foreign affairs committee, she will become the first eastern European in the role and the first Estonian to ever clinch one of the EU’s top jobs.”
It’s off topic but is great you’ll enjoy it. Well worth a read.
In that finger wagging post I got from Brian DTT he posted this link
https://wingsoverscotland.com/quarantine/comment-page-1
Stu writes:
‘If people really can’t behave in other comment threads and insist on derailing them with irrelevant and disruptive posts, as a last resort the comments in question will be moved here.’
In the first post I read I spotted the name Captain Caveman. That was dated May 2012. He’s been around for a long time.
The next name I spotted was ‘Norse Warrior’. I remember that name from either The Herald or The Scotsman. He was totally crazy and kept getting banned.
There is something about the Norse Warrior character that reminds me of John Main.
Longshanker who was he?
Lots from Cameron Brodie.
Stu had a lot more patience back in May 2012 however I think he lost patience and this ‘Quarantine’ thread came to an end.
This is brilliant. 23mins but it’s worth it
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/06/must-watch-tucker-carlson-savagely-dismantles-dumb-stupid/
A military coup led by some generals and soldiers in Bolivia yesterday failed, its thought the coup was organised by the G-r-eat S-ata-n in an attempt to install their puppet Jeanine Áñez Chávez, who is in prison for seizing the presidency illegally after the G-rea-t Sa-t-an-s successful coup against former Bolivian President Evo Morales.
Still not received my postal vote in Falkirk .I go up north on Saturday for a week. So I have been disenfranchised. Well at least I can’t blame the SNP this time. Total shambles.
Mac-We have no choice about being born male or female. It’s just some cells crashing together then splitting. So I always find it amusing when men are blamed for being men. Like we did it deliberately.Some men are bad, some women are bad. We don’t write off an entire sex on the basis of a few bad examples.
The world is a fucked up place!
One of the most brilliant and justified activist groups of all time (IMHO) was the very short-lived fathers4justice.
They just disappeared.
Did the divorce courts reform? Did the child custody courts reform?
So many men fucked over on a daily basis. So many fathers fucked over on a daily basis. So many children fucked over on a daily basis.
But we are supposed to be up in arms at Feminism’s own poisonous ideology morphing and evolving into something that now threatens itself. lol.
If I am honest I think many many men are half-enjoying this shitshow of mediocre men displacing exceptional women in sports.
They are thinking, get used to it women, it will happen in your place of work, and everywhere else. You cheered it on when it happened to men and now it is your turn.
Divide and conquer.
Decades in the making.
From the two articles, it looks like from the recent census that only 0.44% of the Scottish population are Trans:
https://archive.is/oEG2z
https://archive.is/NXB7W
Both articles highlight the disparities of those who identify as LGBTQ+ amongst the generation with a lot less from the older generation.
On the STV news, this was discussed with a segment about an elderly Dementia group having a Pride event which involves the rainbow flags and a drag queen.
There are some comments on here saying that this Trans ideology is over. That may be true but I can’t help but feel that before it does, a lot more of public funds will still be spent on promoting this ideology now that the census highlights that it isn’t accepted amongst the older generation.
Whoever is organising that dementia group needs reporting if it’s in a nursing home.
Dementia patients are confused & frightened enough without some drag freak scaring the fck out of them.
I hope their families lodge a complaint with the care commission.
Mac
What on earth are you on about? Because women decided to unchain themselves from the kitchen we’re now responsible for men mincing around in women’s sports & toilets? Behave!
Men are to blame for not allowing them in yer toilets or laughing at men taking prize money fae wee lassies then all this shit goes back under its rock where it belongs. Don’t put mens obsession with sissy porn onto women.
Geri says:
27 June, 2024 at 9:46 pm
Found a link to the TV news item.
https://archive.is/fuC6x
It wasn’t held in a care home but it as an event held at a hotel. The article mentions that the event was to celebrate diversity but it contained elderly people whom in no know could be described as LGBTQ+
It’s a bit of a joke.
Robert Hughes 4:32
Aye – it’s a shame there isn’t a mass boycott but there’s women out there that don’t seem to care much for their own rights or men in their spaces. I don’t understand it myself tho I have my suspicions of why they’re desensitised. They’re obviously used to it so see nothing wrong with it.
I’ve listened to Riley Gaines interviews before where she said her position was made unbearable by other women. JK Rowling has her female haters too.
So I can see why a mass boycott simply wouldn’t work cause there’d be other women who wouldn’t take part in it.
“Mac, What on earth are you on about? Because women decided to unchain themselves from the kitchen we’re now responsible for men mincing around in women’s sports & toilets? ”
Do you think it came about because of masculinism Geri?
PacMan
Jeez ..Words fail. Bring yer granny for a recruitment drive.
I might have guessed Stirling University would be involved somewhere lol What a shocker..
Thanks for the link.
Mac
I don’t get what yer referring to? What do you think it came about with?
As for father’s for justice – didn’t some of them have a bad press as not being as sound as they made out? May have been deliberate sabotage by the press tho.
Why has the sex/gender census data suddenly been published at this stage in the election? We are being distracted. Distracted from what? Whom?
I think you are absolutely spot on.
That is certainly what it feels like.
Why punish the children?
You’ll like this one.
Party of Women candidate in Leeds has been threatened with arrest for the leaflets she distributed on a charge of malicious communications.
Oracolo del silenzio.
Mi gridano da Seir:?
Sentinella, quanto resta della notte??
Sentinella, quanto resta della notte??
La sentinella risponde:?
Viene il mattino, poi anche la notte.
Oracle of silence.
Someone calling from Seir:
Watchman, what remains of the night?
Watchman, what remains of the night?
The watchman answers:
Morning is coming, but also the night.
Fáistine an chiúnais.
Táthar ag glaoch orm as Saeír:
A fhir fhaire, cá fada fós an oíche?
A fhir fhaire, cá fada fós an oíche?”
Is é freagra an fhir fhaire:
Chugainn an mhaidin,
agus an oíche chomh maith.
(Based on reading of Isaiah by Giorgio, ‘Il tempo che resta’)
It’s official.
Scotland really is a shite hole.
Come here to die of auld age or get laid doon at the TRA club.
That’s it. FFS – roll on Armageddon.
another govanhill banger : that wigwam of happiness
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/scottish-news/24414054.man-left-blind-one-eye-lying-pool-blood-park-attack/
this is one of those stories that makes everyone look bad.
– the stupid middle aged “white knight” – are you protecting these ladies honour? Will ye take the joust for their favour, prithee
– young slags hanging around in a public park in a known bad area, what do you think will happen? you are dangling raw meat in front of crocodiles
– young criminal thugs
– the ingrate refugee
– the cowardly nature of the attack, 2 v 1, young against old, kicking the guy on the ground; stamping on someone’s head should be attempted murder
– the insipid “justice” system operating a revolving door
– a pathetic population so desensitised it feels no outrage
– if the racial aspect was reversed, what do you think the media coverage would be and how quickly would aamer anwar be putting on the racial grifting emergency light
Scotland needs rid of these aggressive, feral, criminal scum or there will be alot more of this; has no one learned anything from badradeen, the mad stabber of george sq, a man who was almost certainly a jihadist on the lam (the timing goes back to when rusha/syrian routed ISIS; sudan is a known recruiting ground)
the pathetic thing about that trial was, if the dumb thugs had had the wit to accuse the old man of “racism” and “using racist language” towards them, they would probably walk, and the hammered geezer would be up on a hatecrime charge.
They should be deported if they’ve committed serious violent crimes. He obviously has a history of aggressive behaviour.
It will get worse cause we’ve absolutely zero control over who lives here.
That is pretty sick but I have no doubt what Mac is saying is true.
I don’t know anything about ‘Fathers for Justice’ but I did think men were given a pretty raw deal with all the Meetoo stuff and all the daft allegations of sexual assault. Remember Mark MacDonald hounded out of office for sending a daft text and the allegations made against Alex Salmond and now trial without jury.
I certainly didn’t cheer it on when it all happened but what surprised me was how many men actually did. They were happy to call Alex Salmond & Mark MacDonald sex pests.
If as Mac is suggesting that everything that is currently happening to women is revenge for what feminists did to them during Meetoo etc I think that is very cowardly.
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Me No I’m as dumb as fuck. I thought you knew that Dan.
Now you know so you won’t be expecting much from me in future apart from ‘one trick trolling’ I can do that.
Who know why the fuck I do anything.
Cister, Sister, Skin & Blister.
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Me No I’m as dumb as fuck. I thought you knew that Dan.
Now you know so you won’t be expecting much from me in future apart from ‘one trick trolling’ I can do that.
Who knows why the fuck I do anything.
Cister, Sister, Skin & Blister.
WHY would anyone CELEBRATE what is going on with the deviants and perverts usurping femininity, I am MALE 73YOA with a wife daughter and granddaughters, I respected and revered my mother and grandmothers and every other female relative
FFS they are only now moving towards some form of equality with males and THAT is being sabotaged by members of their own SEX pandering to sickos
I am old enough to remember the public attitude or should that be the male attitude to wives, barefoot pregnant and in the kitchen is not a fallacy it was a reality
It disgusts and sickens me that any female would consent to including these mentally ill and deviant perverts in women’s spaces all in the name of feels
PsyOp99
Ignored says:
27 June, 2024 at 8:04 pm
This is brilliant. 23mins but it’s worth it…
I suppose you can’t pick your heroes. Tucker Carlson is absolutely on point when he’s dissecting the perfidious propaganda masquerading as Western journalism, but Jeez, I still find him hard to actually like. But credit where it’s due, he’s at least trying to rattle the cages which urgently need to be rattled.
There’s a phenomenon here… Criticism of the Western “Media” is not new. It’s no secret how agencies like the BBC, ABC etc are institutionally corrupt mouthpieces for “the Establishment”, but sober, objective intellectual criticism just never seems to catch any wind in its sails.
Love him or hate him, (I don’t hate him, I just find him an bit manic and annoying), Tucker’s attack on Western lip-service media journalism does seem to be getting through to people.
At the risk of sounding grotesquely obnoxious, I think most average people understand there’s something deeply wrong with corrupt western media, they can work it out for themselves, but Tucker is reaching that less astute sector of society which needs to be told about it.
Maybe it’s his presentation which many find irritating which penetrates the daily docility of the herd.
Geri says:
27 June, 2024 at 10:27 pm
From the tone of the articles I had previously provided, it’s hardly wrong to draw the conclusion that rather than accepting that the older generation are heterosexual, these activists see it as an issue due to lack of awareness in that demographic and will need more funding to remedy it.
They ‘raise awareness’ in the schools and now in the care homes. Come the next census, the amount of LQBTQ+ and Trans people in the population will have significantly increased. As a result, more state resources are given to that group.
Breeks 28 June, 2024 at 3:48 am
I was thinking the same thing. Credit where credit is due for speaking out but however, Noam Chomsky has been saying the same thing for decades so he isn’t making some revelation.
I don’t think people (generally) are awake to the media at all sadly.
I thought after people had witnessed what happened in 2014 that there would be some sort of mass awakening, an awareness watershed, beyond which there was no going back to sleep…
But no.
And there is no better example of it than Ukr@ine, P-u-tin and Ru$$ia.
The exact same people (not on here) who endlessly talk about the ‘yoon media’ bought into all that MSM propaganda in Ukr@ine, like 2014 never happened. It astonishes me. It really does.
But also look at the Salmond stitch-up… ‘they’ lost but they won. Why? because people generally get their information and believe the media. ‘oh no smoke without fire blah blah blah…’ Totally exonerated twice yet ‘tarnished’. Oh right, and how was that achieved then…
It is tempting to see some of the comments here BTL and apply it to the general public but the abject failure of SNP1/ALBA2 told me not to extrapolate much hope from the (more savvy) readership of BTL on here.
The general public is sophomoric and stupid and that is the way they like it, all round. Perpetually naive and ill informed and asking all the wrong questions.
I hate to say it but people are generally unthinking and lazy and want to be spoon-fed everything.
Britain is one of the most propaganda saturated countries on earth and the BBC are the world’s leading propaganda outlet. Credit where credit is due, no one pumps it out better then them. It is 24/7, wall-to-wall.
If people stopped listening to it – even without listening to anything else – they would notice a vast improvement in their ability to interpret and understand world events. It is like anti-intelligence listening to it, it actively makes you stupid.
PacMan
Ignored says:
28 June, 2024 at 5:44 am
I was thinking the same thing. Credit where credit is due for speaking out but however, Noam Chomsky has been saying the same thing for decades so he isn’t making some revelation.
My point exactly. Carlson seems to be reaching a much wider audience than intellectuals like Chomsky ever could. I’d include Craig Murray in that too. The message isn’t new, but maybe it’s finding new purchase with the people… maybe…
Lorna Campbell.
Nice to see we are on the same page, ( see my post at 27th June, 11: 56 am ).
If the other half of Society cannot under stand what it feels like to have no Rights as a women then As I explained at 11: 56 am it is Colonisation of women
By one part of Society and it has been going on for a hell of a lot longer than any dammed Country has suffered under it, including the Colonisation of Scotland.
Mac,
So you think because men felt a little like their rights were ignored or upsurped in the 80s for a brief time period……
Women have had to go through that time and again for thousands of years and thousands of years prior and after to the 80s.
As I pointed out prior to Lorna and Rubies Conversation We ( women ) have been under the Colonisation) mindset of men a hell of a lot longer than any Country, and you are the perfect example of what is wrong with that mindset,
Women make up 50% or more of the populations around the World, why do you take it on Board as a Competitive issue,?
It should be a shared concern that on average 50 % of the worlds populations are be so appallingly treated.
Breeks says: 28 June, 2024 at 6:45 am
Valid point.
With even a little political knowledge, it’s hard not be to jaded towards the likes of Carlson but as you say he reaches a much wider audiences than those whom in the left consider the ‘good guys’ liked Chomsky or Murray ever could.
Considering the so called left are up their backsides nowadays as seen with the actor Tennant’s recent comments towards Badenoch, it does look you have to stop being less cynical towards the likes of Carlson and Douglas Murray, at least on a number of shared issues.
Twathater,
28th June, 11 : 3:42 am,
Eloquently explained.
The worlds females are every mans mother, sister, daughter, auntie,nana or granny, niece, or grandaughter,
Men have been beaten-up for the last 30 years. The metoo shite was really just a culmination of their demonization, whereby the mere accusation from a (saintly) woman was enough evidence to convict an (evil) man.
Sugar and spice and all things nice… That is essentially what they used to take out Salmond. Even though it ultimately failed it still worked.
I am not making this point against woman, but I am just pointing out if you are expecting men to ‘support’ women now… it is not going to happen IMHO. You are on your own (because that is exactly how many men now feel).
This is all decades in the making. Divide and conquer. They started on men and for a long time women were cool with it… until they predictably and inevitably turned on them and now children.
But people (including many men) mostly won’t even recognize nor admit what was done and is being done to men.
Personally I do care far more about getting fair treatment in a divorce court or getting access to my children than men in women’s toilets. That is normal.
But no one cares about that. How many parties have got that in their manifesto. They treated those fathers protesting for justice like terrorists… I looked into the treatment these fathers had got by the custody courts and it was grotesquely unjust and heartbreaking. I am not sure I would have been as controlled as them had I been in their shoes.
Mac.
It has to be pointed out to you I’am afraid,
Your personal man feelings of being hurt recently are a fraction of the what Women and littles female children have gone through for thounsands of years,
When men think war is great iand they are the victors, it is the women and young girls that suffer from their egotistical manhood by getting raped. If not blown up for nothing more than mothers, sisters or children,
When Britain was in WW11 and women worked the land, farms, lorries and were mechanic’s ,
Were made to work in ammunitions factories, like my gran who suffered later in life from deep crippling ulcers in her legs due to the chemicals ingredients in bomb making, as did most of the women from those ammunition factories,
She was not even recognised as even contributing to the war, No war pension, No Medals but suffered life time injuries due to that war,
She was instantly made redundant when the war was over , no pay, No thank you,
But the men in the family got war time pensions even if they stayed working on farms
That is just one instance in history, there are many more.
The Plain Style:
This 4th July general election is a con-trick. The Scots don’t have any democratic representation and they certainly don’t have a voice or a say in their own future.
The Scots have been conned into thinking their vote in an English general election counts for anything – it doesn’t. So they might as well stay at home and not bother voting at all for all the difference it’ll make to them.
Don’t vote. Don’t spoil a ballot. Don’t do anything. Because whatever the Scots do they’ll get what England says they’ll get anyway. It’s that simple.
Don’t play in England’s rigged game – watch America celebrate its independence from ‘the empire’ on the 4th July instead. Whatever you think of America at least they gave England the finger 248 years ago and telt it tae get tae…
“No colonisation without representation”
This ‘men vs. women’ thing seems to be in danger of being taken a bit too far. In real life, men and women get on. The differences between the sexes give rise to conflict sometimes but also provide humour and camaraderie and can be sobering when we allow ourselves to take on board opposing viewpoints without getting all het up. It’s part of living.
So it’s important to distinguish between the very real political move to create division between the sexes and the reality that males and females are complementary to each other. It’s perfectly possible to live in harmony.
The whole gender agenda is abhorrent. It’s political and manipulative and is wreaking havoc. The attempts at polarisation are abhorrent – adverts showing gormless men vs. savvy women for example. But men and women have a lot more in common than what this ideology would want us to believe. We don’t need to get dragged (pun intended) into resenting someone just because they’re of the opposite sex. That’s falling into the trap.
Vive la difference!
I agree with that. There was/is this weird idea that women can do no wrong. If they say they were raped then they were raped.
I was accused many times of victim blaming/shaming.
I understand where you’re coming from Mac however putting on black balaclavas and shouting at women is a bit pathetic as is rejoicing when a man beats a woman in sport.
It’s been an interesting couple of days here on Wings and I now understand the reluctance to discuss the problems with gender identity.
You want to punish women but what about the children and what about votes.
Are you men going to achieve independence all on your own?
The High Style (same message as the plain, just a bit fancier. As might be delivered in a speech)
I ask, what relevance to the Scots is England’s 4th of July election?
I answer, a day that reveals to them, more than all other days of this year, the gross injustice to which they are the constant victims.
To them England’s election is a sham; its boasted ‘mother of parliaments’ an unholy license; its national greatness, a swollen vanity; its sounds of rejoicing, empty and heartless; its shouts of liberty and equality, hollow mockery; its prayers and its sermons, its imperial parades and its regal solemnity, are to them mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy – a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages.
This election is an English election, an English ‘game of thrones’; the Scots will be forced to pay from their rich larder of natural resources whatever price England demands from them, and get in return what meagre cuts from their own table England deigns fit.
A token vote and nothing more is what is given the Scots and so as a people their vote is meaningless, a ruse, the illusion of democratic voice where in reality none exists.
Years, decades, centuries of indoctrination tell us the Scots have a voice and must exercise their civic duty at the ballot box to shape the society they want for themselves and their children. But this is a lie – the ballot box in Scotland is a box of tricks. Scotland’s society is shaped by another people.
Emotion persuades the Scots to play England’s trick game of democratic representation – but logic tells us the most effective ‘play’ the Scots could make in defeating England’s game, and thereby expose the lie that Scots have choices, is not to play at all.
Why should the Scots give the slightest hint of legitimacy to their illegitimate oppression by a foreign power?
And why should the Scots even bother to participate in that which is exclusively the business of another nation not their own – a business from which they are entirely excluded, even though it directly affects them, despite the fiction of any appearance to the contrary?
@ Geri
“JK Rowling And The Un-shutable Lid On The Pandora’s Box She Helped Opened” would make a great film (or string it out into multiple film series and spin offs for an endless but increased revenue stream)
I can’t help but find it rather ironic that after her earning mega money churning out reams of fantasy tat over a generation which filled the developing minds of kids in their formative years; That those same kids would then grow up thinking fantasy is reality and have no great issue believing they could be born in the wrong body or morph into something else.
One reaps what one sows, and in hindsight maybe she should not have created and planted that seed, and instead just let the kids grow up playing with Lego and Meccano, for that would possibly have steered the course of our society on a more beneficial trajectory.
The war waged against men was really a war waged against marriage and the family unit. Taking down the role of men was a key first step in destroying that.
Once accomplished it is time to move onto the role of women…
And then children…
Yes James, all the men conscripted and killed or grotesquely maimed got off lightly, it was the women who suffered in wars.
But it is true men live much longer than women and have a much lower suicide rate. Oh wait….
This is a stupid game Mrs Che. And demonstrates exactly what I am saying. Instantly this is a competition but to you not me. Straight away you are attacking me personally…
Yet you have proved my point perfectly. This is exactly why IMHO men generally don’t give a fuck about what women are saying now about GRR etc..
You think we are ignoring your issues but you deny ours even exist. I am not even going to bother arguing it with you as I know it is a complete waste of time.
There is a movement in the US now called MGTOW, Men Going Their Own Way. They are turning their back on women in terms of long term relationships. I predict you are going to see a lot more of it.
Divide and conquer, it worked.
Lastly I have commented repeatedly on the GRR on here.
Strange then that I am now being characterized as rejoicing when a man beats a woman in sports.
So going forward I am most definitely not going to be giving a shit about any of this. What is the point if it all gets ignored anyway as soon as you mention men getting shafted for once.
Well done. You have made a convert here. lol.
Mac 8.56am “Divide and conquer, it worked.”
Well, we only have ourselves to blame if we play along with it.
https://tinyurl.com/f87naew8
Not many details about this incident but this happens a lot.
Imagine if it was your young daughter who was photographed by this creep and a photo of her naked was posted on the internet for all her class mates to laugh at how do you think she would feel.
It seems it’s easy enough to punch a whole in the material that’s used in these cubicles. There was a big problem with this in Leith Victoria swimming pool.
What they had to do there was make one side of the pool for women and the other side for men.
Of course this won’t work now for obvious reasons.
Rather than cheering on this sort of thing would it not be better if men started up a ‘Let Men Speak’ movement? I believe David Hannah has suggested this many times.
That those same kids would then grow up thinking fantasy is reality and have no great issue believing they could be born in the wrong body or morph into something else.
Desperate Stuff from Desperate Dan!
Mac,
There are good men and bad men, there are good women and bad women, there are good children and bad children,
The only difference is when one is physically or mentally stronger than the other, and abuse it,
The average man is stronger physically than the average women or child, so they need save Spaces, but otherwise equal treatment.
The average women does not beat up on men, however occasionally you do get one mental power crazy fcker of a women who think and Act with a male dominance persona,
My present spouse was a victim of this abuse, but then his ex was diagnosed with bi – polar disorder later on at the time of their divorce,
if men are abused by these “mental illness women or macho women, then they too should have a “Male only SHELTER ” of their own to go too.
But herein lies a problem, because men claiming they are Women while still with full male tackle are being allowed into Women’s and childrens safe spaces and Shelters, hospital wards, and prisons, and toilets, are abusing the safe spaces system,
A safe space from the abusers should mean just that, no matter weather for men or for women, it should be safe,
And you also get Women in employment who are payed by their bosses to act that way, I saw a lot of that influence within the Snp.
Tucker Carlson
I haven’t watched the clip yet but I’ve watched some of his stuff. Recently the revelations of the *I* lobby.
What annoys me about him is he plays shocked & dumb like everything is all brand new to him & he’d no idea & it comes across as so fake.
He’s been in media long enough to know all the dodgy tricks his government does & the heavily edited scripts he’d to stick to.
& The dumb “OMG – Ruskies have food & subways!!” Like they were expected to be still living in caves or something ..
It reminded me of that plonker commentator during 2014 commonwealth games “OMG – Scotland has amenities. They’re not bad?!”
If you read my posts you would see I most definitely haven’t ignored you so don’t make that an excuse for not giving a shit.
If you don’t want to be “characterized as rejoicing when a man beats a woman in sports” you should maybe give more thought to what you post.
Dan @ 8:56 am
“One reaps what one sows, and in hindsight maybe she should not have created and planted that seed, and instead just let the kids grow up playing with Lego and Meccano, for that would possibly have steered the course of our society on a more beneficial trajectory.”
Aye, scribbling fictitious stories oot o whitivver’s been pit in yer heid afore is arguably a lot easier than researching and analysing theory and practice related to a particular phenomenon; hence the difference between a ‘writer’ and an ‘academic’.
Today we have numerous fictions being played out, including the fictions relating to our identity – ‘gender’, ‘British’, and a recent addition to the identity mix, ‘New Scots’.
The ‘British identity’ fiction was funded £1 million when said writer (a ‘New Scot’) handed a cheque over to the ‘Better Together’ gang, entirely missing the irony that this would help prevent the liberation of her host people/nation. By implication, ‘No’ voters do not wish to hold Scottish citizenship, and they also seek to block that right to Scots.
Analysing theory and practice and then developing new theory from it can be challenging:
https://salvo-cor.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/THEORETICAL+CASE+FOR+SCOTTISH+INDEPENDENCE.pdf
“This is a stupid game… And demonstrates exactly what I am saying. Instantly this is a competition…” Mac at 8.56am is right. It is a stupid game and maybe it’s time some women stopped hurling insults at men just because they are men. Save it for the puppet masters. Do people not see they are being played?
No that is another strawman argument.
There is no ‘rejoicing’ at any of this insanity.
Try to read my words for once. Men are INDIFFERENT. They have been totally brow beaten to the point they no longer give a shit.
You know what they are thinking though and admittedly with a wry smile… ‘welcome to my world’.
I’m really enjoying your slant on this, Mac, and (as you might have gathered) was getting rather tired of being bullied into elevating women’s rights above all else in a world that is falling apart.
Strange as it may sound in here, I think you could make a good case for arguing that women have never had it so good whilst men have never had it so bad.
I’d prefer to see everybody focus more on getting rid of the SNP and pushing forward with independence(same thing).
Here’s Alf jumping on the fiction is bad for you bandwagon.
Fiction is bad it makes you believe you can be born in the wrong body.
For entertainment you should read academic journals.
Something very weird has happened to men on this forum.
This MGTOW might be a good thing if they are going to ban fiction.
No you can’t read a story. Play with your lego.
Steepbra,
I agree with you, in general men and women do get on,
however if the shoe was on the other foot,
if my spouse was getting less pay for working the same job as a woman, I would be right there by his side standing up for his rights,
If my spouse was being verbally abused by a woman, I would fight tooth n nail to protect him from that abusive woman,
If my spouse was being emotionally blackmailed which is a form sexual assaulted or manipulated by a women boss, I would fined every possible legal avenue to make sure she lost her job, I would’nt tell him it was all in his imagination,
If I saw that my spouse was being treated as a second class citizen by our government I would be standing in every protest along side him for equality, and going to every news outlet and writing letters to everywhere and anybody to make sure he was being treated equally,
Unfortunately the reality is that the average man will not support the females in their families in this way, because they have seldom experienced it, therefore is a lack of related empathy.
Most people ( NOT ) living in Scotland do not relate to the Colonial issue that engulfs Scotland and have no empathy towards it.
most men whom are born as men, do not relate to the issue of all women being dominated by a Colonial mindset over Woman template Governance in Britain either, how can they have the empathy if it does not or has never happened to them,
SteepBrae at 8:37 am
Totally agree with what you say other than alas I think that by and large it is too late, many women and a great many men have fallen into that trap already.
I am glad you see it as well in all the advertising (and TV programming, movies etc.).
But the reality is propaganda works.
Advertising is just commercial propaganda, they don’t spend all that money on if it does not work.
And that is the key, they put (non-commercial) propaganda in with the commercial propaganda, the advertising, because what better place for it, right. Two birds, one stone.
They have done an absolute number on us.
Hatuey
I think we’ve got the message men on Wings do not want to talk about ‘women’s rights’
That’s OK ‘We Sisters can do it for ourselves’ as Robert Hughes suggested. You talk about whatever drivel you like and we women will talk about ”women’s rights’
All sorted.
You do know that Wings isn’t a single sex space don’t you?
All that is wrong with the trans issue is elevated by the likes of Mac and Hatuey,.
Are we to presume that in this debate you favour trans-women to women,
Enough said.
If you have an Alba candidate in your constituency, I suggest you tell any canvassers you will probably vote for Alba.
The rival parties’ canvassers will be laughing so much, they will likely pee their pants and have to go hame to change.
Men are INDIFFERENT. They have been totally brow beaten to the point they no longer give a shit.
How in the name of the wee man are these brow beaten indifferent men going to achieve independence?
This colonialism has been very hard on the men.
Steepbrae,
Genuine mistake, I meant to say Steepbrae in post up above, I apoligise.
Aye Alf, “everything in moderation” is a saying that has worth.
But I note some self proclaimed dumb fuck who it seems can’t help themselves from butting in on and twisting pretty much everything I post of late is already jumping in and trying yet again to polarise the issue and divide folk…
That someone who spends so much time on here yet doesn’t even know what an Alert Reader Badge is says it all.
Interview with Alex Salmond (Lesley Riddoch).
Worth making time to watch. Clarity about independence.
32 minutes in is the bit to watch if you only have a couple of minutes to spare.
http://www.youtube.com/live/k9521IM3M5k?feature=shared
How about:
Banf & Buchan – no alba candidate so voting for the defacto ref sends best message possible to whoever hijacked it
Alloa & Grangemouth – Alba, i4i or SNP depending on who impressed most during the campaign
Perth & north Perthire – Sally Hughes (with evidence if legal & possible)
Everywhere else, SNP.
Hatuey at 9:58 am
Oh you definitely could. The statistics back it up. Boys are being left behind.
I think it is very sad for this generation of boys/men that have grown up saturated in all this.
Also growing up I was not considered (particularly) outspoken but now… I think I really would be. All the social media has in a way amplified the peer and conformist pressure. There is no escape from it for them. (Unless you are Amish.)
Ah Colin incontinence is a terrible thing. Should these Unionist canvassers not have worn their adult diapers. No shame in that even the President of the US wears them.
But I note some self proclaimed dumb fuck who it seems can’t help themselves from butting in on and twisting pretty much everything I post of late is already jumping in and trying yet again to polarise the issue and divide folk…
FFS Dan do you want me to be alert or not alert.
You complain if I don’t comment on your posts and you are now complaining if I do.
I just can’t win maybe I should just go and post in ‘off topic’ as suggested by BrianDTT.
Only kiddin’ I’m going to stay here and try to be very alert. I want the badge.
@ stuart mctavish
There is no Perth & North Perthshire constituency after the recent boundary change.
I4I Sally Hughes is standing Perth and Kinross-shire constituency.
https://boundaries.scot/sites/default/files/Perthshire_South_and_Kinross-shire.pdf
Most or the rural area north of Perth is now in Angus and Perthshire Glens constituency.
https://www.bcomm-scotland.independent.gov.uk/sites/default/files/Angus_and_Perthshire_Glens.pdf
James Che 10.08 and 10.28
No apology needed – typos are typos. Thanks though. I agree with you about empathy/lack of empathy. Experience teaches you. So does listening and maybe that’s where we fall down sometimes.
<Mac 10.15am
You’re right – propaganda works. Keeping pace with new propaganda tricks can be hard work. We see through one scam then along comes another. Yep, they’ve done an absolute number on us again. Just have to keep calling it out…
https://tinyurl.com/yc6nxzcz
Why people in Hull, the UK’s most disillusioned city, won’t vote
Voter apathy may also have played a part. In 2019, three of the four lowest constituency turnouts in the country were in Hull, with Hull East suffering the ignominy of topping this table with most of its electorate staying at home and just 49.3 per cent of eligible voters filling in a ballot paper.
We might be giving you a run for your money this time around Hull.
Can we beat 49.3% ?
Long ago, I was employed by a Trade Union. It was the Association of University Teachers and mostly I provided representation for members in disciplinary or grievance procedures.
In most cases I represented women being bullied by men.
Much of the serious bullying was malice, some more thoughtlessness. Some, I thought, was to do with competition for posts.
While studying for my Masters in Industrial Relations I came across a study that found that in Trade Unions that were predominantly male in membership, males bullied females. In Unions predominantly female, the women bullied men.
Power and control seem to be part of this.
Of course, many personal and political problems arise from this. The Equal Pay claims in Glasgow Council, for example. Have they been resolved?
This week I am offering some advice to a female friend who is being badly bullied by her female manager.
The Me Too stuff seems like an activist response to abuses of power by men against women.
Wayne Couzens and infiltration of the Met Polis by yet another corrupt group says not nearly enough is being done to protect females
Dan @10:59
Cheers
Should probably have added that fully understand why some might contest such a chicanery but, ideally, even the boundary changes wouldn’t matter for long since Swinney can easily collapse holyrood before first sign of pm Starmer/Farage (:)) getting above their station, and do the defacto ref thereafter..
Many advances in human knowledge and technology were first posited in works of fiction from the minds of great thinkers and authors – men and women both.
Star Trek is credited as the inspiration for the invention, by Martin Cooper, of the first cellular handheld phone in 1973. Although Cooper himself later said that his actual inspiration was Dick Tracy’s wrist radio.
Scientists and academics, inspired by ideas formulated in the creative imaginations of non-scientists, take those fictional ideas and set out to prove them possible in our reality.
It’s arguable whether scientists in general had, or have now, the imaginations to conceive of such fictional ideas in the first place.
Thinkers think these ideas in their imaginations, but few can be bothered with actually building them in reality – they leave the donkey work to scientists and technicians.
Even Einstein thought imagination surpassed all else in humanity’s quest to understand their universe.
Rowling’s political and personal beliefs aside, her talent was for weaving together ancient myth and lore that’s been kicking around for millennia and creating a fictional world children could escape to and play in.
As did Beatrice Potter and Frances Hodgson Burnett and P.L(Pamela Lyndon) Travers and Madeleine L’Engle and Natalie Babbitt and Enid Blyton and many more women writers of children’s fiction.
Our entire world is built on fiction made real. If thought is king then fiction is its Queen, and together they make the reality we live in.
I’m reverting to my original position as far as the Westminster general election goes. I’ll be boycotting it because it doesn’t matter who we send to that medieval cesspit, they are muted by sheer numbers.
And as far as Holyrood goes i’ll only be voting in that if i can back a candidate/party offering us a plebiscite. I’ve had enough of self-servers and freeloaders gorging off the back of the popular indy movement.
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BTW, the SNP candidate for my constituency is a fella named David Wilson. He’s English, from Portsmouth, and he voted ‘No’ in our 2014IndyRef. His ‘X’ account has the Saltire side-by-side with the “rainbow flag”. That’s 2 major reasons i’d never vote for him. And the fact he’s English isn’t one of them.
SteepBrae
Ignored
says:
28 June, 2024 at 10:39 am
Interview with Alex Salmond (Lesley Riddoch).
Worth making time to watch. Clarity about independence.
Thanks for sharing SteepBrae.
Salmond, the classy statesman as always.
Riddoch? Meh. No likey. No trusty. Felt some of those questions came through gritted teeth. The bad radar says no these days.
@Confused 11.10pm, when the police were canvassing the area for witnesses no description of the suspects was given despite them having being filmed carrying out the attack by CCTV.
The Libyan attacker had already been jailed twice here for violence, those were ones he had been caught for, one wonders how many he had not been caught for. It is rather telling that there are several people who post on here who openly prefer him to his victim because of the Tsar or whatever.
Re the gender wars, I have posted previously on here about how anti yt rcsm was being introduced to feminism, yt women were being painted as oppressors within their own movements. It all comes back to the same thing, we can stand up for ourselves whilst being smeared as AntSem and rcsts or we can die on our knees whilst being smeared as AntSem and rcsts, the choice is ours.
Breeks 1.22pm “Meh. No likey. No trusty.”
Absolutely. The on-message, unquestioning line towing is no match for Salmond’s intellect, experience and understanding of what needs to be done and how to do it. His honesty shines through. A very enlightening exchange.
Some interesting comments re the gender issue, and it’s good to hear men’s feelings about this. I’m surprised it’s not all come out earlier, given all the many WoS articles trying to highlight the dangers of what’s been happening, although the lack of discussion about it has been telling. But it’s better I think to be honest rather than just be silent.
Steepbrae @ 8.37am
Very much agree, although I don’t see the gender issue as being about women vs men. I don’t see it as solely being about the rights and safety of women and children. To me, it’s a social engineering experiment that is being used against us all equally, and is mainly about controlling people.
It’s clearly being played out in a classic ‘divide and conquer’ strategy, and I think we all need to resist that. I also don’t think men can escape the longer-term consequences of what is being forced on us any more than women can.
Obvious effects, such as women’s physical safety being compromised or losing their sports, are part of it, and are important. But it seems to me that control of minds and limiting independence of thought and communication generally, might be the actual, overarching aim of it.
Women are probably an easier target generally than men, which is why women have been attacked first. It was probably known that, for a lot of men, women’s rights wouldn’t be of much interest or importance, and if women were put in a position of having to fight, men would quickly lose interest/patience or just (for whatever reason) not be too bothered about it at all.
I’m sure the men commenting on here are independent thinkers. Even if you think women have brought it on themselves and possibly deserve it, you probably also to some extent at least agree that the gender stuff is anti-scientific nonsense and would never subscribe to it as a theory of reality.
This period of time has been used to introduce a lot of the concepts (via social media, academic institutions, arts, public bodies, businesses etc) but also crucially to get laws in place. And once Labour get in I have no doubt we’ll see an escalation of that. Some people on here seem to think it’s basically over as an issue, but I believe it’s all been set up for the next phase, and I think men will probably be the next target. If you think MeToo was bad for men and boys, why do you think gender cultism is going to be any easier?
That’s why I think we need to act together rather than turn against each other. I also thought that was the message in all the articles Stu’s written on here about this. Not just for the rights of men, women and children, but also if we ever want to see an independent Scotland, because I firmly believe that without addressing the gender issue, that will simply never happen.
So it’s not about elevating women’s rights above all else, it’s about working together to defeat something that’s really bad for all of us.
Statistics (hard facts rather than opinion) show that men are much more likely to be at the sharp end when it comes to violence, suicide, murder, etc. They also die much younger.
Most of the sort of industrial jobs that large numbers of men traditionally relied on no longer exist. But in many respects the expectations of many women and arguably society remain the same — to be the bread winner, to be the provider, to be the man that protects the family, does the DIY, fixes the car, etc.
I can’t remember any women saying much about that, except when they were talking about ‘toxic masculinity’.
I’ve already said that I broadly agreed with the position of the owner of this site and most of those who comment here on the trans issue. I do, and I actually I think most men do.
Further progress on that issue will require women themselves do more. Most of the criticisms on here coming from women are based on the idea that men need to do more, but why?
And while we are here, how come most of the people that attend trans-activist protests and demonstrations that we see are women (biological women, that is)?
If it could be imagined what womens rights were, then they are or should be the same as mans,
And mans should be the same as womens.
All are the children of human kind,
And all those either sex that need protection from the abuse activitives of either sex should have the right to protection,
I fail to see why it should be a competition or a battle of the sexes,
In my family I had four brothers and three sisters, equality from the start of life, we all got fed the same meal, we all wore hand me downs ( adjusted) our dad taught us all how to behave respectively to others, how to fish, how to garden, look after animals and how to drive and change a tyre, put oil in etc.
My mum Made us all take turns looking after children, how to cook, How to sew and keep a house tidy but homely, how to do laundry without a washing machine and how to decorate,
My brothers could sew and mend as good as I could, and I can chop wood and split kindlers or garden as well as they could,
Neither one of us needed to change sex genders to achieve the balance, and all of us married or have long term partners who now appreciate the value of what all we taught,
The problem only arises in the outside world of governance and politicians and I suppose with parents that never taught their children the balance of all things life,
So G–en-oci-de Joe Biden and the Orange One Trump had a head to head yesterday on who will be the next head of the snake, I meant POTUS, both men are ardent Zzz-i-o Mon–ste-r supporters so it won’t mean much to the poor utterly oppressed P-al-est-in-ans.
The comparisons in another field couldn’t have been different Trump is a megalomaniac, and Biden is now a dithering old fool, whose controlled from behind the scenes (As Reagan was). Biden has aided and abetted in multiple war crimes, and Trump is a known liar and felon.
I almost feel sorry for the people of America imagine having to choose between those two cretins. Mind you we have a treacherous bunch of b*stards currently governing Scotland.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/transgender-rights-labour-conservative-party-positions-policy-b1167455.html
James Che: Almost a half a million females are murdered at the hands of men every year, worldwide. Millions are raped and sexually assaulted, undergo barbaric genital mutilation rituals, millions are killed in wars that they did not start, millions are aborted as foetuses in China and India alone because they are female and millions are deliberately denied an education or a means to earn their own bread. The list goes on and on, but I can discover no comparable statistics for men at the hands of women.
Yes, there are bloody awful women, too, but, if we were looking at one demographic suffering what females as a sex suffer right across the globe, we would be horrified. We were when the statistics for the deaths of the Jews in WW II were published. Why, then, do so many men and women throw up their hands in abject defeat when females are mentioned. It is almost as if we brought it all on ourselves, but how do unborn babies, little babies and toddler girls and young girls bring all this death and harm on themselves?
The world is a terrible place for females, and it is getting worse by the day. Men kill each other in wars, men kill each other in the streets, men harm each other with vicious attacks on those men who do not conform. Females account for little of this carnage, yet we get the insult slung at us that men die for us in wars. No, we die for and by men in wars. I genuinely believe that we are fast reaching a point of no return for females.
A massive uprising is on the way because we cannot take much more of the cruelties perpetrated against us. It might not appear that way, but it is coming, just as surely as independence is coming for Scots. Sometimes, Mother Nature steps in because she must to bring equilibrium before we destroy ourselves through pig ignorance, power-plays and selfishness.
No it is not. You just made that up.
Lorna: “The world is a terrible place for females…”
Of course, it’s not terrible for all women. And it’s pretty terrible for many men.
One thing we’ve learned recently is that women in positions of power are just as likely to commit to wars and dirty tricks as men are. The record of evidence includes Thatcher, Madeleine Albright, and even Sturgeon. There are plenty more. If they are outnumbered by nefarious men when it comes to these things, it’s because they are outnumbered by men when it comes to positions of power and influence.
Maybe a better explanation of the terrible things that happen could rest on something other than the biological sex of those involved. And there are other explanations available.
Right now, I’d say most of the wars are down to corporate greed and corruption; and there are plenty of women in the boardrooms of the companies I’m talking about.
And while we are here, how come most of the people that attend trans-activist protests and demonstrations that we see are women (biological women, that is)?
More fiction from Hatuey
Most the people attending trans-activist protests wear black balaclavas & masks as for the rest who knows.
For sure there are women who are 100% in favour of the denial of women’s rights Sturgeon being a prime example.
Can I explain Sturgeon actions. No I cannot. Can you?
Right now, I’d say most of the wars are down to corporate greed and corruption; and there are plenty of women in the boardrooms of the companies I’m talking about. Hautey
No soldiers no wars.
If men what to stop wars they need to do more.
It’s men who are signing up to see the world & kill people.
Ooopas typo
No soldiers no wars.
If men want to stop wars they need to do more.
It’s men who are signing up to see the world & kill people.
Hatuey @ 2.06pm
“And while we are here, how come most of the people that attend trans-activist protests and demonstrations that we see are women (biological women, that is)?”
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I went to the Edinburgh Let Women Speak event recently and I can assure you that the majority of demonstrators, especially the loudest (and it was so loud I couldn’t hear the LWS speakers) and most intimidating were all male. On one side of the barriers and police cordon were the ones in their black outfits and face masks, with air horns and megaphones, while on the other side there was the rainbow crowd led by the disco moron, with a sound system and murdering Abba songs at an incredible decibel level. There was very little effort by the police to keep them at any distance, and no effort to restrict the volume of their speakers, air horns etc.
It actually felt quite scary.
However, I also noticed quite a lot of men had come to support LWS (including one lovely young guy satirically dressed as Queen Elizabeth I) which I thought was great.
We need to stand together against this and I was glad to see men actively participating. It also meant they could see for themselves the horrific intimidation women are facing.
One of the many problems arising from this is that men (of all ages) now feel that they can openly threaten women in both a verbally and physically violent way – women have already been physically assaulted. Yes, there are women and girls amongst them, but they don’t pose the threat. I’m not sure why they’re doing it, you’d have to ask them, but I doubt you’d get a meaningful answer.
The Teflon Don Swinney is bumming that the SNP aren’t skint and a big yellow bus with his ugly mush on the front proves it, well according to him it does.
““I’m going out on the road with my bus for the remainder of the election campaign to fight a high-profile campaign as we have done.””
The Teflon Don is copying Sturgeon the Judas with this yellow bus.
Don’t vote SNP they are the roadblock to indy.
In 2018, a UNISON survey found that one in five police staff across most police forces in England and Wales had received a sexually explicit email or text from a colleague.
Over 70% of women in the UK say they have experienced sexual harassment in public
https://www.unwomenuk.org/safe-spaces-now/
The G-re-at _Sa-ta-ns military are drones flying over the Black sea doing reconnaissance and targeting missions for U weapons will now become legitimate targets for Rooosshhi-an forces. The (US) drones might be flying in neutral airspace but ultimately they are used to pinpoint attacks on Roosshhii-an targets.
Its just another step closer to a larger conflict, will the G-r-eat S-a-tan retaliate if its drones are destroyed? who knows what the mad dogs in the Pent-agon are thinking.