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Talking nonce sense

Posted on April 12, 2021 by

The furore over a declaration signed by a number of Scottish organisations which appears to clearly call for the age of sexual consent to be reduced to 10 continues today, with a couple of appallingly biased articles in the Scotsman and the Times which attempt to use the controversy to attack both the Alba Party (as a distraction from its powerful key manifesto release on women’s rights) and this website.

Even just the tweet above by the author of the Times piece fails all kinds of basic journalistic standards of impartiality, but the article itself is vastly worse.

At its core is a “clarification” of the declaration:

But that’s an extremely disingenuous framing, because every known reputable organisation on Earth defines the starting point of adolescence as at or around 10 years old and ending at 19, and those are, in fact, numbers. But even taken at face value the line suggests that what the declaration is demanding is the decriminalisation of sex with people who are “in between childhood and adulthood”, which is exactly what most people would have understood “adolescent” to mean in the first place.

Or in other words, calling for the legalisation of sex with people who aren’t adults, which again is exactly what most people already understand by the word “paedophilia”.

But then it got even weirder. Because unusually for a Scottish mainstream-media hack, McLaughlin has been engaging in social media debate on the article. Which is when this happened:

Which is a quite extraordinary interpretation of these words:

The declaration certainly does mention healthcare. But only as one of a list of things unambiguously including the right to “provide consent to sex”. You don’t need to have sex with someone to give them healthcare. To pretend that the contentious lines are ONLY about healthcare is a quite astonishing level of flagrant misinformation, and what Mark McLaughlin’s motivation might be for doing that – and for defending it at such length – is quite beyond our imagining.

But as obviously absurd as it is, it’s a line that’s being widely punted by apologists, including by the co-chair of the extremely toxic Aberdeen Independence Movement.

Gillies also, however, appeared to contradict himself in the same thread, when he stated that the object of the declaration WAS about the age of consent, specifically to allow adolescents to have sex with each other, which as our original piece noted would mean 19-year-olds being able to legally have sex with 10-year-olds.

All that’s required to definitively clear up the matter is for a journalist to ask the organisations who’ve signed the declaration to give a simple and direct answer to this question, which is entirely quoted from it:

”Do you or do you not wish to eliminate all laws and policies which limit the legal capacity of adolescents to consent to sex?”

(To which the obvious follow-up, were they to answer “No”, would be “Then why have you signed up to a document that says you do?”)

To furiously wriggle and squirm and evade making such a straightforward clarification, and embark instead on a slew of hysterically-worded attacks on the people asking the question (as has been happening all weekend), is deeply, deeply suspicious, as is the failure of supposed professional journalists to ask that question.

It’s popular these days to call such behaviour “gaslighting”, a horrible and non-intuitive word this site is on record as loathing. So we’ll use a term that’s a bit earthier but a lot more self-explanatory: pissing on your shoes and telling you it’s raining.

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    1. Dan Hardy says:

      Para. G specifically makes reference to and seemingly therefore differentiates between ‘young people’ and ‘adolescents’.
      Maybe these defenders of such bilge can step forward and provide the legal definition of both which they are so strongly defending?

    2. Scott says:

      14a, to me, isn’t only referring to adolescents.

      “legal capacity of adolescents, people with disabilities OR OTHER GROUPS to consent to sex…”

      Other groups?? – children, adults, people incapacitated by alcohol/drugs, …

      (The HIV non-disclosure bit is worrying too)

    3. Famous15 says:

      Is he not aiding and abetting lewd and libidinous practices with children?

      Is Mark not committing a crime?

    4. Salmond dindunuffin says:

      Channelling Brass Eye while bringing the house crashing down around the New SNP, talk about livin’ the dream.

    5. unsigned says:

      What is “dangerous” about this is that Stonewall and all the other supporting signatories don’t immediately say:

      “You are right, that’s what it says. We don’t support that at all and we are withdrawing our signature until those elements are deleted. Thank you for bringing it to our attention – we will read a future version very carefully before we support it again”

    6. TPee says:

      Please see the what are acceptable SNP partners for a supermajority.

      This is the Greens

      This is in plain sight.

      https://mobile.twitter.com/JNHanvey/status/1381505944136351745

    7. And Spouse says:

      What I find frightening is that it their efforts to rubbish Wings, or Alba, or all women is that (and for that reason only) they are condoning these documents and groups. They’ve joined their ranks!

    8. Intractable Potsherd says:

      Graham Linehan (writer of “Father Ted” and “The It Crowd” has been covering a lot of this stuff for a long time, to the detriment of his marriage and career. The latest post on his blog is: https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/if-you-say-so. It goes into a bit more detail about the unsavoury history of LGBT stuff in Scotland, and it is very disturbing.

      If you have a look at his blog and like it, consider sending him a few quid – the cancel culturists are really affecting his ability to make a living.

    9. LaingB French says:

      I some times wonder if this declaration was written by paedos for paedos to inform other paedos to use the word adolescents in any litigation in defense of pedophilia charges.
      Are they so incapable of articulating an actual age? and to drown it in health care kind of sums up this sick piece of written junk file.

    10. Kat says:

      Is it a failure of due diligence by the signatory organisations or is it all per the Dentons document?

      https://gendercriticalwoman.wordpress.com/2020/07/23/that-dentons-document/

    11. Cath says:

      This is why legislation has to be very tightly and specifically written, so there can be no ambiguity about it. It’s why legislation should go through a long process of legal advice, debate, amendments and sense checking before being put into law. It’s why words and the definitions of words matter so very much for making law. And all of that is precisely what has been, and is being, very deliberately undermined in legislation like the new GRA and HCB. Once you strip words of meaning, make things deliberately vague (eg gender not sex) and create word salad legislation what you have is no longer real law but simply interpretation.

    12. Robert Graham says:

      I don’t know about anyone else but this whole parallel universe we are in confuses me , the language these Loony arse wipes use is beyond me they have invented a whole new language that doesn’t make any sense to normal people ,

      It seems to be anything these nutters say can mean almost anything , it’s neither up or down left or right when asked for a explanation it’s oh no we didn’t mean this we meant that , I haven’t a clue what they are talking about most of the time and I very much doubt they do either , it’s all just mangling of the language to make them appear smart and everyone else bleedn stupid .

      Without doubt these people are way above normal people’s grasp of right and wrong so maybe it’s time for them to fk off and be with their own kind and leave the plebs to run the normal world.

    13. Iain More says:

      I think if the Nonces want to change the world they should form their own Political Party and do it that way. I think they would get very few votes though. Hell mend them.

    14. TPee says:

      And then the crimes of males pedos will be blamed on females

      https://mobile.twitter.com/ForwomenScot/status/1381560913036214272

    15. ALANM says:

      “PM will allow second referendum if SNP wins, says Sturgeon” – Guardian report

      Good to know that everything’s under control and we all know exactly what we need to do when the polls open. Rev Stu can now start planning for his retirement.

    16. Anonymoose says:

      I find it staggering that even the MSM outlets haven’t picked on this and given it the full front page space and headlines it desperately deserves in order to shine a laser beam onto these groups, their affiliations, historically bad track records with direct links to peadophillia and convicted peadophiles in order to bring this to the wider publics’ attention.

      Surely in 2021 we cannot have groups such as these linked to our government, let alone being directly funded by the Scottish Government which is funded by us, the Scottish tax payer.

      The SNP Scottish Governments’ silence on these issues is damning, they should immediately be pulling any and all funding from these groups based on thier very sick and shady histories alone.

      Public money should not be spent on NGOs who promote and/or are linked to peadophilia and child abuse, any MSP or minister of government who sticks up for such groups should be immediately ejected from the Scottish Parliament and be permanently barred from standing in elections.

    17. dropthevipers says:

      It’s all gone invisible lead soup.

    18. WGW says:

      MENDACITY OF HOPE

      When a long-time sympathiser such as Mandy Rhodes, Editor of Holyrood Magazine, writes criical stuff like this, surely even Nicola Sturgeon must take note!

      I hope that all Wings’ readers will click on to the following lead article published yesterday:

      https://www.holyrood.com/editors-column/view,the-mendacity-of-hope?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Holyrood%20Morning%20Roundup%2012%20April%202021&utm_content=Holyrood%20Morning%20Roundup%2012%20April%202021+CID_66d0d1fb60f06d5e8513ce348db7eebc&utm_source=Email%20newsletters&utm_term=The%20mendacity%20of%20hope

    19. Claire says:

      For Robert Graham

      Thank you for making me smile this morning . Such a great read???

      I took part in the ALBA Women’s Conference it was inspiring .

      I only recently joined Twitter .. the abuse and comments I have received is shocking .

      I posted earlier on Stonewall and have extensive knowledge of their policies . Some of my clients have started to distance themselves and cancel training . The Scottish govt pandering to Stonewall and their trans cult ideology . They have captured significant Scottish policy already .. I have posted
      On RCS and ENGENDER .. there is a link to their senior personnel also , and again considerable funding .

    20. Claire says:

      For Robert Graham

      Ignore the three question marks they are an error

    21. robbo says:

      I’m the same Robert Graham

      The language these people use is so weird I find it very hard to follow. Some of those links (poster TPee) has linked just makes me really depressed that politicians accept this deranged speech against children.

      Patrick Harvie you should be ashamed man.

    22. Charles Hodgson says:

      If the pubs, clubs and football grounds were open, this would be spreading like wild fire.
      Lucky Nicla is protecting us from ourselves, he?
      The f*cking succubus.

    23. Charles Hodgson says:

      Should have used the tern “night hag” rather than “succubus”:

      “The night hag or old hag is the name given to a supernatural creature, commonly associated with the phenomenon of sleep paralysis. It is a phenomenon during which a person feels a presence of a supernatural malevolent being which immobilizes the person as if sitting on their chest or the foot of their bed.”

    24. Hugh Jarse says:

      Maybe it’s time to enlist the help of paedo hunters on this.
      I witnessed them and the local mob they located on Facebook descend on a Travelodge where the local authority was attempting to house a sex offender.
      They were there for days, and only left when he was removed.
      It never quite came to violence, they kept within the law, and they got what they were after.
      It was a bit disturbing, another glimpse at the dark side of a mob, but these guys were serious. Professional.

      Having them on the case of TRA creeps who stray into nonce land, would end the nonsense here and now.

    25. Charles Hodgson says:

      How anyone can vote for a party (co-)led by Patrick Harvie is a mystery.
      Funny now the election campaign is on, the Greens revert to climate change and the environment, eh?
      Their true agenda must be hidden from the voters at all costs. Why? ‘Cos the revulsion would never end.
      Scumbags.

    26. Orri says:

      The thing is that an alternative interpretation is this isn’t about reducing the age of consent. It’s about abolishing it. “Other groups” includes under 10s.

      What’s being skimmed though is instead of saying laws outlawing underage marriage and FGM they broaden the scope to laws protecting women’s autonomy. Then go on to talk about removing some of those laws and replacing them with chatting to the communities they’re prevalent in.

    27. ClanDonald says:

      It’s extraordinary the amount of alternative, new definitions that have emerged in the last 48 hours to explain the terms “adolescent” and “consent to sex.” And every one of them is apparently the correct definition. Apart from, it appears, the dictionary ones.

    28. robbo says:

      Charles Hodgson

      Patrick Harvie is not in the least bit interested in climate change. It’s a front to push this trans cult agenda IMHO.

      Where is there a good leper colony when you need one for this lot then they can all do their freaky weird stuff to each other instead of the our children? They would soon die out.

    29. WeeChid says:

      Orri says:
      12 April, 2021 at 12:29 pm

      Trans ideology actively encourages genital mutilation of both sexes.

    30. John Martini says:

      The old humpty dumpty defense..

      When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

      ‘The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’

      ‘The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.’

      Alice was too much puzzled to say anything; so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. ‘They’ve a temper, some of them — particularly verbs: they’re the proudest — adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs — however, I can manage the whole lot of them! Impenetrability! That’s what I say!’

      ‘Would you tell me please,’ said Alice, ‘what that means?’

      ‘Now you talk like a reasonable child,’ said Humpty Dumpty, looking very much pleased. ‘I meant by “impenetrability” that we’ve had enough of that subject, and it would be just as well if you’d mention what you mean to do next, as I suppose you don’t mean to stop here all the rest of your life.’

      ‘That’s a great deal to make one word mean,’ Alice said in a thoughtful tone.

      ‘When I make a word do a lot of work like that,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘I always pay it extra.’

      ‘Oh!’ said Alice. She was too much puzzled to make any other remark.

    31. Mark Boyle says:

      @TPee says: 12 April, 2021 at 11:19 am

      “This is the Greens

      This is in plain sight.

      https://mobile.twitter.com/JNHanvey/status/1381505944136351745

      I knew they had some sick weirdos in their ranks, but even by their standards that’s skin crawling.

    32. WeeChid says:

      Intractable Potsherd says:
      12 April, 2021 at 11:24 am

      Sorry hadn’t noticed you had posted this,
      Sorry for duplicate comment -more people need to read him though.

    33. iain mhor says:

      “Demonstrable nonsense” – fails to demonstrate the nonsense.
      A bit like “strongly refute” as a phrase nowadays.

      Perhaps he meant ‘arrant’ but doesn’t have a very good vocabulary, or grasp of language – which is a bit of a drawback for a journalist I’d have thought – in his case apparently not.

    34. TheSNPLeftMe says:

      The words are quite clear, including the right to pass on HIV. Why are they going to such lengths to push the Wokerati spin?

      Why focus on one part when the document has dozens of controversial statements?

      Why are the media, Unions and Politicians not pulling back and demanding that the wording reflect what they are claiming it means?

      When they keep telling you what they are – believe them.

      The Wokerati will never stop. Every barrier they knock down just takes them to the next, and the next and on and on. You are not to challenge, no debate can be tolerated. They just chant bigot and demand more and more changes to society and they want it faster and faster before the wider public wake up.

    35. Kiwilassie says:

      My goodness I’m an open minded 72 year old adult, but this is really disturbing reading for me.

      I bought the full series of Marshall Cavendish weekly publication
      Of New man & woman magazines for better loving relationships for my son when he become an adolescent. Bought them way back in the early 1980s. “He’s 45 years old now.”
      These magazines went through EVERYTHING from puberty, to elderly sex, with everything in between. There was even editions on homosexuality.

      Non of it was pornographic, The middle page in each magazine was descriptive with a couple in different poses. All Natural.

      What is being spouted out here with the Stonewall cult is quite disgusting & not appropriate for a loving respectful relationship with someone of the same sex, or opposite sex, or Marital partner.
      It comes across to me as pornography, not what a consensual respectful relationship should be.

      I must make sure my grandchildren get access to these 60 weekly volumes to make sure they are educated in sexuality by renowned
      Doctors, psychiatrists, sexoligists, ect.

      As parents we are responsible not only for the physical well being of our children, but also for the mental well being especially in their younger years. Parents are there to protect their offsprings.

    36. Anton Decadent says:

      Re the decriminalisation of wilful HIV transferance, has already been done in a part of the USA last year by what would be their equivalent of a local councillor, if I remember correctly in some of his photos he was posing in beard and SM gear.

    37. Cyc says:

      Glad I’m not the only one who abhors the term ‘gaslighting’ but, on a more horrifying note, the rest of the document referring to decriminalising child marriage and (what seems to be the ulimate goal) child trafficking, is sickening.

    38. TPee says:

      Mark Brown
      They are too busy threatening women… have a look further down the same thread for the Green NE candidate on record threatening ‘Terfs’ and ‘queerphobes’ ( which will be the next great since btw)
      The guy appears to be a teacher too.
      https://mobile.twitter.com/mogatrons/status/1381516442080788484

    39. TPee says:

      Queerphobia – will be the next great oppression, I meant to write.

    40. James Che. says:

      It also leaves the door wide open for child pornography, and groups of people being able to abuse one child, as the child does not have the mental or physical capabilities to say no under pressure, intimidation or bullying.
      This is dangerous for children and adolescents, this appalling declaration is more obviously intended to help those wishing to have the sole physical use of youngsters bodies rather than being concerned with their mental wellbeing or holistic well being,
      If you want to see a rise in child and adolescent suicides this declaration is the one for you and all child molesters.

    41. Paul Short says:

      To be honest, for once I’m not at all convinced by either side in this business. It is not inconceivable that some paedophiles were pushing something via a very bureaucratic and lengthy resolution; but I doubt it. These things have zero effect, and though there can be all sorts of shite in them, they might as well not be there – otherwise there wouldn’t be world child poverty and Israel would have been censured for its actions over the Palestinians (subjects of all sorts of worthy resolutions over decades). And world poverty and an oppressive Israeli govt are still there. Do I think that the Sturgeon camp wants to reduce the age of legal child sex. No. Don’t see the evidence – and this isn’t it. Do I think there could be some nutters around Sturgeon and her coterie with very weird ideas? Oh yes. This issue? Not at all sure. But I increasingly feel that what has gone on at the top of the SNP is a snow job (and not the sort they snort) – manipulating naive and often unpleasant, young lobbyists for trans rights to smoke out and attack various people the Murrells and the Robertsons and others felt were a danger. Salmond of course was one. Quite frankly, Wings is another. Tar them with all sorts of allegations (you know this from your own personal experience Rev) and the comments will – they might hope – fill up with alt-right types. Maybe not yet, and they didn’t get Salmond, but their plans, and their abilities to carry out their plans, are two different things. The only real point about Alba is to get someone into Holyrood who can politically embarrass and force Sturgeon into taking harder action towards independence (or any action at all). If we can’t get Alba in, it’s pretty lost for the decade, I suspect. But this age-of-consent stuff – really not convinced here. Not a unionist; not pro-child sex (damned right not); but I do see the clumsy but powerful hand of the Murrells and Robertsons here. Anyway – all I’ve got to say. Thanks. Sorry it was long.

    42. Kiwilassie says:

      O/T I’m in the middle of a debate with STV via e-mail regarding Alex Salmond getting a place in a political debate with other party leaders on STV.
      They have said that Alex will have one on one interviews with Colin Mackay.
      They say they are acting in accordance with strict Ofcom guidelines. I have told them they are speaking rubbish,

      I have answered them & have added a few other things that I can do, being in NZ as I’m not bound by the injunctions that apply within the UK, if they don’t have a level paying field for all political party’s.

      If they want to play dirty, I can too. There is one SNP politician that will never get elected in his lifetime if I spill the beans. They will know who he is.

      Nicola is frightened to be on the same stage as Alex. That’s her problem. The Scottish people shouldn’t have to suffer at this election because of her bad behaviour.
      Looking forward to the next reply from STV. 🙂

    43. PaulaJ says:

      Robert Graham says:
      “the language these Loony arse wipes use is beyond me they have invented a whole new language that doesn’t make any sense to normal people…”

      It all started with Humpty Dumpty, who insisted to Alice that words meant whatever he(? – sorry if I’ve misgendered an egg) wished them to mean.

    44. robbo says:

      Mark Boyle says:
      12 April, 2021 at 12:46 pm
      @TPee says: 12 April, 2021 at 11:19 am

      “This is the Greens

      This is in plain sight.

      https://mobile.twitter.com/JNHanvey/status/1381505944136351745”

      I knew they had some sick weirdos in their ranks, but even by their standards that’s skin crawling.

      ———–

      Hold that door!

      Was this not the person on “Debate night” a few weeks ago?

      I’m not 100% sure but am sure they/it said it was Ella, Elley or was it this one in tweet ?? grrr

    45. AwakeNotWoke says:

      They’re flailing wildly trying to turn it into a ‘phobia’ issue & not a child protection issue. I see them.
      And let me be crystal clear for the watching audience. I do not give a single flying fuck if you’re straight, gay, trans or anything else…if you bring Noncery or the sexualisation of children anywhere near my kids, there will be immediate action, which you won’t like.
      One to watch out for is ‘parental consent’. Wherever you see this, get your nonce alert primed. A big favourite of nonces is finding ways to come between parents & their children.
      Fight against these vermin as though your life were on the line. Protect your children.

    46. PaulaJ says:

      Oops! Just noticed (I was reading comments from last to first) that John Martini beat me to the Humpty hypothesis. Sorry, John!

    47. Meg merrilees says:

      Kiwilassie

      More power to your elbow!

    48. Kiwilassie says:

      Paul Short
      but I do see the clumsy but powerful hand of the Murrells and Robertson here.

      Reply
      I agree with you. I really hope the good people in Edinburgh don’t vote in Angus Robertson. He & his “second” wife are poison.
      She especially. May they both rot in hell for what they tried to do.

    49. Lorna Campbell says:

      I think I have used the term, ‘gaslighting’ on this site. Can’t say I’m all that fond of it myself and it does tend to obfuscate and obscure rather than enlighten, but, then, I’m just an old fogie – a ‘boomer’, apparently, trying to be hip. Apologise? Nah, I’m done with apologising for stuff that doesn’t actually matter, but I won’t use it again.

      Queer theory’s whole point is that prohibitive laws should be torn down and replaced with ‘freedom to be and do as you please’, basically. The philosophy behind it is seductive, but its end point can only be anarchy and sexual anarchy – anything goes. Like all political/sociological philosophy, it fails to take into account human nature and its perversions, in all senses, not just the sexual.

      Human beings certainly have a good, altruistic side, but we are also cursed with a dark side – all of us – and queer theory does tend to appeal to the dark side. Those who don’t see that are either wilfully dismissive for their own ends or just fundamentally misunderstand its end product. It doesn’t take much to just question what you have swallowed and think that, maybe, it was not what you thought it was, and admit that.

    50. Anton Decadent says:

      Re the Graham Linehan link and re the person who went from being a Green candidate to a Lib Dem candidate and is/was on the board of Stonewalls Trans Advisory Panel. This person had their dad as their campaign mamnager, I believe, until it turned out that their dad was about to be convicted on charges of filming and photographing himself giving electric shocks to a ten year old girl whilst he was dressed as a little girl wearing a nappy. When the Greens sensed that the greater public maybe weren’t quite ready for stuff like this yet they asked this person to leave at which point they tried to sue them for transphobia. The Lib Dems then took this person on as a candidate, they are the Lib Dems, after all. When this person moved on from the LibDems they were given a job at Reddit at which they and their husband ran private groups for people with interests in trans paedophilia and incest. When people complained to Reddit about this they were banned under its doxxing policies, that is the the people who complained. Reddit eventually removed staff status from this person but I think still allows them to run their groups, I may be wrong there.

      People think the dark web is where people like this have groups and meet up, it isn’t, it’s now big tech which not only allows them to do so and sometimes makes them staff. We are being dictated to by a tiny minority of what are, in my opinion, seriously damaged people and they get to do this because big tech and the media are behind them and we have to start asking questions with regard to why this is the case.

    51. Republicofscotland says:

      weechid @12.39pm.

      Yeah saw that on another blog, I see the Scottish Greens are involved in that one. No one in their right mind should vote for the Scottish Greens.

    52. Astonished says:

      Jings , crivvens and help ma boab – The latest polling for Alba must be extremely good.

      sturgeon is panicking. Good . She will now make more mistakes. She was repeatedly warned and she chose to ignore the people doing the warning. Hell mend her.

      Hopefully not enough to lose lots of SNP constituency seats (except of course her own, humza useless, shirley-anne hypocrite, angus robertson macbeth and john swinney ) but enough to frighten some backbone into SNP MSPs.

      The defence of noncery (is that a word ?) is inexcusable. And should never be forgotten.

    53. Kiwilassie says:

      Meg merrilees says:
      12 April, 2021 at 1:30 pm
      Kiwilassie

      More power to your elbow!

      Reply
      I may be shooting myself in both feet if the STV don’t give Alex a spot in the leaders debate. LOL

      I will invalidate both injunctions as I threatened STV if they don’t give Alex an equal billing in the leaders debate.
      I will not mention the person who had a genuine complaint, she is innocent in this matter, she was used by NS.

      I will however, though not on this site. bring the liars out into the open. The second injunction is covering up Nicola Sturgeon & is of a more personal matter in her private life.

      She says Alex isn’t fit for public office. Yea right! I hear you Nicola. Are you?

    54. Republicofscotland says:

      Weechid.

      Lets not forget (its in the link as well) that the SNPs Mhairi Black took a drag queen into a school full of kids, and the drag queen posted loads of photos on Instagram of the kids. In the Instagram account there were also lurid pictures on the account.

    55. maureen says:

      Mark Boyle says:
      12 April, 2021 at 12:46 pm
      @TPee says: 12 April, 2021 at 11:19 am

      “This is the Greens

      This is in plain sight.

      https://mobile.twitter.com/JNHanvey/status/1381505944136351745”

      I knew they had some sick weirdos in their ranks, but even by their standards that’s skin crawling.

      Oh my god, what the fuck am I reading. This is sick

    56. Skip_NC says:

      Maureen, whatever you saw has now gone. According to Twitter that page no longer exists.

    57. The Hot Needle of Enquiry says:

      Kiwilassie.

      I salute you.

      I prefer Manuka honey on my toast rather than confections from Seville.

      Delphic?

      I don’t do jigsaws.

    58. maureen says:

      Sorry, above reply is to Skip NC

    59. Kiwilassie says:

      I remember as a young 23 year old when I landed in New Zealand the pilot told us to turn our clocks back 7 years. It was a derogative term, making fun of a colony of the UK.

      You know what! I’m glad I live in New Zealand, we don’t have the corruption in politics as you have at the moment.
      Kids still play in the street & where I live I can go up town without locking my doors.

      My grandchildren live in Singapore & I’m thankful for that. “Though I do miss not visiting because of covid19”
      There is no way stonewall will be able to infiltrate into Singapore. It has to be one of the safest countries to live in.

      There’s no religious prejudice there & women are safe walking alone at night. Yes it’s a highly policed country, the benefits for the people & their children are worth it.
      It’s also the cleanest country I have visited.

      When you think how poor the Singaporeans were when they were a colony, to how they are now. It’s breathtaking.
      Lee Kuan Yew, a young Cambridge-educated lawyer, became the first Prime Minister of Singapore.
      He did so much for Singapore & her people.

      What Scots need to realise, You need a strong leader to move you & your country forward. I truly believe that person is Alex Salmond.

    60. Al-Stuart says:

      .
      Iain Moore at 11.55am.
      .
      Dear Iain, I think the Sturgeonite McWokeists did create a political party, or rather steal one by robbing the nest of a once honourable political movement, cuckoo style. It is now called the…

      Sturgeonite Nonce Party.

      Seriously, just think about all that has been led in evidence on the WoS website over the past three years.

      A decent and noble political institution has been taken over by perverts and paedophiles or those that promote paedophilia. Even if you disagreed with the SNP it USED to have principles. No SNP party member would accept a knighthood or become a dame. None would accept a seat in the House of Lords.

      Now we have SNP members such as auld squishy pishy pants Pete Wishart wanting all three. Lord, Sir Pete Wishart, Great Dame of the British Establishment and Speaker of the House of Commons. Soon to be promoted to Governess General of the Scottish Colony.

      Every single member of the Sturgeonite Nonce Party (McWoke division) needs reporting to the police unless they immediately cease breaking the CURRENT law. You may think this OTT, but the Sturgeonite Nonce Party are the ones bringing in Gender Reform and its counterpart silencer enabling legislation, the Hate Crime (Scotland) Act onto the statute books without thinking of that very important other law, is…

      The Law of Unintendd Consequences.

      The Sturgeonite Nonce Party forgot that ordinary punters and voters know…

      Evil triumphs when good men and women fail to act.

      For a large number in the Scottish Nonce Party, they are now actively promoting peadophilia and with that, the Scottish electorate will not put up with. By that, I mean Hapless Humza has made the biggest Bourach of ultra vires fest to ever hit a first world nation. Regardless of whether or not Alba can bring Holyrood back from the edge of terminal disrepute and closure, the Sturgeonite Nonce Party are about to get the Queen to give Royal Assent to two of the most contradictory pieces of legislation to hit the statute books.

      Nicholas Sturgeon, Penfold Murrell, Aalyyn Smythe, Angus Robertson, Linda Fabiani, John Swinney, Mhairi Hunter, Humza Hopeless and Derek MacKay etc., are on a one way ticket to Tony Blairdom.

      Tick Toxic, TickToxic.

    61. crazycat says:

      A statement that says

      consent to sex OR sexual and reproductive health services

      (my emphasis)

      cannot, in any reasonable interpretation, refer only to health services.

    62. Mr Window says:

      There’s an unhealthy focus on children in a lot of SNP policies. From the ‘named guardian’ scheme to encouraging kids to take puberty blockers, and now this.

      The pitch cloaks it in talk of health, mental and physical, but that can’t be the concern; if they’re concerned about children’s health, why don’t they do something to address child poverty and falling educational standards?

      They’re very deliberately and systematically trying to sexualise kids. That’s the common thread in all this. It’s scary.

    63. A wiman says:

      Kiwilassie

      Your institutions just as captured as Scotland.

      Looks like Gender Self ID is coming your way soon. Welcome to the cult.

    64. Intractable Potsherd says:

      WeeChid says:
      12 April, 2021 at 12:47 pm
      Intractable Potsherd says:
      12 April, 2021 at 11:24 am

      Sorry hadn’t noticed you had posted this,
      Sorry for duplicate comment -more people need to read him though.

      No problem at all. Graham needs all the publicity he can get for wading in the mire most of us don’t know exists.

      Just think what could be achieved with Stu and Graham working together…

    65. lumilumi says:

      ALANM says:
      12 April, 2021 at 12:07 pm

      “PM will allow second referendum if SNP wins, says Sturgeon” – Guardian report
      Good to know that everything’s under control and we all know exactly what we need to do when the polls open. Rev Stu can now start planning for his retirement.

      It’s more insidous as that.

      if SNP wins says Sturgeon. Whereby she gives a get-out clause to the Westminster clown show. They can interpret the result of the Holyrood Election any which way they want.

      What is it to WIN in an election, a mixture of FPTP and regional Additional Member System to make it more proportional representation.

      Well, most Scots, even pro-independence ones, commenting on here seem to think along the lines of Westminster politics.

      What is a “WIN” in the madhouse of Westminster-imposed Scottish politics? A one-party government? Biggest party?

      Sturgeon is setting the bar at HER party, not her party and one or two others pro-independence parties, getting a majority, in a parliament.

      Just stop to think. This woman has once again sold Scottish people’s soveregnty to the English parliament. She’s saying unless her party (SNP) have majority, she won’t pursue independence.

      What about all the othe parties pursuing independence?

      A voting system designed NOT to give ANY party a majority. She’s hoping to replicate the fluke Alex Salmond had in 2011. She doesn’t understand it’s almost impossible to replicate. She doesn’t know or understand how the voting system works. So she just demands “both votes SNP” for her own personal glory.

      What she’s actually saying is agreeng with Boris Johnson and the old Westminster political culture.

      Nicola Sturgeon is one of the biggest ("Tractor" - Ed)s of the Scottish people and their sovereignty. Never mind her snazzy tartan high-heels.

      Specifying that if the SNP win a majority – not the SNP and other INDY parties – Boris Johnson would have to… er… say you don’t have a majority (in a parliament designed to not have overall majorities, but that won’t matter to Bozo and his mates.

      Jeez, has there ever been a more incompetent Scottish politician than Nicola Sturgeon? (Unless you go into tinfoily stuff, MI5 and all that, when it begins to make sense.)

      The dangerous thing is that this oedious woman frames all of Scotland as her domain, hers to give away. As if the tamed SNP represented the views of most Scots.

      Nicola Sturgeon must know it’s very close to all crashing down over her head, but maybe she hopes (or knows) she’ll survive the Holyrood Election.

      Alex Salmond and the Alba Party are fighting from an underdog position (hasn’t Alex Salmond done that most of his political life, lol!), the MSM are now treating his old party the SNP as one of the established, unionist parties as to election debates, not giving platform to the Alba Party… Should give anybody pause.

    66. Roger Gough says:

      From reading the Rev’s blog for the past 6 months it would seem that, Numpty Dumpty like, the Scottish judiciary interpret words to mean anything they want them to mean, so what point in revising the offending passages?

    67. STEVEN ELLIOTT says:

      These people shock decent society… btw, still reading the Scotsman?

    68. Kcor says:

      Kiwilassie says,

      “I have answered them & have added a few other things that I can do, being in NZ as I’m not bound by the injunctions that apply within the UK, if they don’t have a level paying field for all political party’s.

      If they want to play dirty, I can too. There is one SNP politician that will never get elected in his lifetime if I spill the beans. They will know who he is.”

      Well done, Kiwilassie, beat them at their own game.



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