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Setting an example

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Bless ’em.

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  1. ThemadMurph says:

    You couldn’t make it up!

  2. Alan Mackintosh says:

    To echo his famous Holyrood performance…

    “Thats no the point…”

  3. James Anderson says:

    Can’t make my mind up if Kelly is actually king amongst idiots or simply a ‘king idiot.

  4. Bob Mack says:

    Now that ,is what I would descibe as a “nuisance” call

  5. walter scott says:

    I’m fed up with deep political analysis so will only say that James is just daft & looks like he cuts his own hair, without a mirror

  6. proudscot says:

    James Kelly, your personality implant is ready!

  7. Alan Mackintosh says:

    Doesnt look like he’s even holding a phone in his hand either.

    “Thats no’ the point…”

  8. frogesque says:

    Excuse me but aren’t broadcasting and telecoms a RESERVED matter?

    They just couldn’t get their shit together if they tried!

  9. Itchybiscuit says:

    Aye, James Kelly is correct.

    The SNP really should do something about the Labour branch office and their mantra of ‘SNP BAD’. I’m going to be helping them achieve that goal come May 2016 – SNP/SNP all the way.

  10. Giesabrek says:

    There’s that complete lack of self-awareness from UK Labour in Scotland again.

    I guess that what happens when you have an obedient press unwilling to point out your errors.

  11. Iain More says:

    Telecoms isn’t devolved so not even the SNP/SG could ‘LEGALLY’ do anything really practical to stop the nuisance calls from the friends of British Nationalism in the rest of the world. Or am I missing something?

    I got a nuisance call at 6 effin 30 this morning. I don’t even know who it was from as it was a withheld number and I didn’t stop long enough to listen what was being said as I launched into a string of expletives. I think the caller hung up after the sixth bleep!

  12. Jimbo says:

    Haha, their stupidity knows no bounds.

    They criticise the SNP government for not taking action quickly enough, then go and do the very thing they’ve complained about – And they wonder why they’re not electable.

  13. Free Scotland says:

    I suppose the phone keeps him safe from people who might feel compelled to pelt him with rotten eggs and spore-laden tomatoes.

    Oh, and he should know that the SNP are already taking action to tackle nuisance phone calls from the likes of him: it’s called speaking up for and acting on behalf of the people of Scotland, something labour stopped doing a long, long time ago.

  14. walter scott says:

    Rev. I wonder if you’ve had the time or inclination to catch up on some real comedy? Namely Councillor Terry Kelly on his increasingly insane outbursts on his website. He’s claiming that the abuse & threats suffered by some people in the Labour party over the Syria vote can be traced north to the door of the SNP.
    He also quite confidently states.. “The UK is a Socialist country” What can have happened to make him so delusional? The Labour party isn’t even socialist anymore but when it is it’ll be unelectable in England. Sorry but it’s been a quiet day

  15. Bugger (the Panda) says:

    Not the brightest sandwich in the tool box.

  16. Free Scotland says:


    He’s not even the sharpest tool in the pick-nick basket.

  17. paul gerard mccormack says:

    With a Scotch pie for a brain, I think he is managing not too badly. And he can do his own tie!

  18. The Rough Bounds. says:

    I’ve just heard that William McIllvaney the author has died. Now, that’s a bit of a downer. He would have loved to have lived to see Scotland free.

  19. Lesley-Anne says:

    If he had a solitary brain cell he’d be TWICE as dangerous! 😀

  20. The Rough Bounds. says:

    Och, I’m sorry folks, it is of course McIlvanney.

  21. R-type Grunt says:

    I’d like to say this is unbelievable but, well, you know.

    Facepalm thingy

  22. Truth says:


  23. David says:

    I assume that Labour put forward ways that the Scottish Parliament could prevent these calls.

    Have the ever loyal BBC and members of the press asked them how the Scottish Parliament could stop these calls?

  24. Clootie says:

    Kelly always reminds me of that old wisdom;

    “The trouble with political jokes is that they get elected”

    How can someone so dumb and with so little personality pass a selection panel…I suppose the answer is…”only in Scottish Labour”

  25. David McCann says:

    Most of us have caller display these days, so just put your phone on voicemail, and if its call withheld, international, 0843 etc etc, just let it ring.

    They seldom leave a message. Saves the blood pressure!

  26. Mark says:

    Hypocrisy most callus

  27. Free Scotland says:

    Strictly speakin, James, this is no a selfie, cos ahm the wan that’s haudin yer phone. Just haud yer haun at yer lug – naeb’dy’ll ken that yer no haud’n a phone.

  28. Angra Mainyu says:

    Alan Mackintosh says:
    5 December, 2015 at 3:25 pm
    Doesnt look like he’s even holding a phone in his hand either.

    Lol. They only have one line? Pure skint vibe.

  29. Jim Fraser says:

    I think that this quote from Oscar Wilde sums up the Labour party, Scotland accounting branch. They seem to practise it a lot.

    “The only thing that ever consoles man for the stupid things he does is the praise he always gives himself for doing them.”
    -Oscar Wilde

  30. Angra Mainyu says:

    Not to sound anti-English or anything, but 99% of the nuisance calls I get are English companies. We get about 25 a day in our office, it’s not a trivial matter.

  31. Ruglonian says:

    Pity us 😉

  32. Ian Brotherhood says:

    The think bubble above his heid says ‘Oooh, ah think mibbes ahm huvvin an idea…dae ah look smart like this, eh? Dae ah?’

  33. handclapping says:

    Don’t do as I say, do as I do … I think thats right.
    Oh hello this is James Kelly and brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Oh well.

    At least he’s smart enough to come in out of the rain; that makes him Slab MSP shadow minister quality …

    Don’t risk it, do your best for Scotland – SNP x 2

  34. Tackety Beets says:

    I’m lookin’ for the sympathy vote , I once had to share a lift with him @ Hollyrood.

    I have recovered , eventually

  35. Dan Huil says:

    # “Hello? Is it me you’re puking for…?” #

  36. Macart says:

    Oh Jeez! 😀

    D’you think someone should tell them?

    Nah. 😀

  37. jdman says:

    I had to go to the information commissioner to get Labour to stop unsolicited calls to my home, I can’t believe they have the audacity!

  38. are they blissfully unaware of this, which is dated 17/11. Maybe that gave them the idea?

  39. jdman says:

    “I got a nuisance call at 6 effin 30 this morning.”

    It’s funny you should say that, I got call some months ago at that very time on a Saturday as well, hung up before I could see if there was a tel number I could report to TPS.

  40. velofello says:

    Up to the age of about three, my granddaughters used to do pretend calls like James Kelly is doing. Then we gave them old phones for make believe. C’mon Kez, give James Kelly an old phone to let him play make believe.

  41. ronnie anderson says:

    Here’s a good place to start K e l l y ( there’s ah song in there somewhere )

    Please note its in London ya Idiot.

  42. Farnorthdavie says:

    Dumb and dumber!

  43. manandboy says:

    Well done, Stu. You are No1 alright.

    It occurred to me that James Kelly, this time with a phone, might just have called a broker about BAE Systems shares which have shot up in value recently after a poor year. If Daesh has become a dark cloud, then for military hardware suppliers it sure has a silver lining.
    I wonder how the directors and shareholders of BAE Systems feel about Daesh – apart from grateful.

  44. Thepnr says:

    SNP petition now at 97,697. Should get it over 100,000 sometime tonight. I guess most Wings readers have done it by now, if not I’d ask that you support this petition.

    Remember the infamous hijacked Brown petition? The total support for that reached 122,821. We can do better than that. If we can, it would be interesting to compare media response between the SNP and Brown petitions.

    Just a jest, I suspect I know what the response will be 🙂

  45. Costs about £50 the Call Guardian phone allows one to block any number you want, works a treat as no nuisance calls get through here anymore.

  46. Robert Peffers says:

    I have complex hearing problems. Including industrial deafness, Tinnitus and a rather annoying problem that is frequency, rather than volume, based. I can manage face to face conversations fairly well by use of a certain amount of lip reading but it is difficult when there is background noise. Phones all pose problems.

    So I bought and installed an answer phone/FAX machine. On this I leave a message explaining I cannot hear phone voices and quote my email, FAX and mobile, (text only), addresses/numbers.

    You would not believe the number of callers who get that message yet go ahead with their message but never follow through with either an email, FAX or text message.
    Do they not understand the phrase, “I cannot hear phones”?

    What is particularly laughable is the cold callers who use automated calling machines. I know these as non-human callers as they do not wait for the tone to indicate my recorded message has finished.

    So I get messages that just say … … … press 1, or some other set of auto-machine selectors.

    I don’t mind these calls as I set the machine not to ring but just take the message.

    So if they want to waste money with their machine calling my machine it costs them but not me. The other clue that it is a machine or computer calling is the voices, (I’ve been told), are restricted to just a few. It depends upon what machine the caller has bought to automate their cold calling. I can receive anything up to between ten and twenty such auto-cold-calls in a 24hour period.

    Think on that – there are machines all over the World calling other machines – ad infinitum.

  47. Ken500 says:

    ‘nuisance calls remain the reserve of the UK Gov’

    Get rid of nuisance calls. Vote SNP/SNP

  48. galamcennalath says:

    Angra Mainyu says:

    “Not to sound anti-English or anything, but 99% of the nuisance calls I get are English companies.”

    Good point. I don’t think I’ve ever had an unsolicited call with a Scottish accent.

    Alternatively, it could be that Scots don’t make good phone nuisance operatives. 🙂

  49. FatCandy says:


  50. Ken500 says:

    William McIllvaney has died. Sad

  51. Kenny says:

    “Irony? Is that the thing you do on a Tuesday?”

    I have received a message from the Orkney Four: “We need to raise an additional £75,000 now, and we may need to ask again.” Both Carbuncle and the Establishment are hoping to price us out of democracy! But I will go without Christmas this year to contribute… I hope everyone can chip in just a little. Just remind yourself that Carbuncle voted to bomb Syrian women and children and have a think if you can maybe up what you were planning to give…

    O/T I can never understand why George Galloway, that Will Podmore who posts on here, all those Britnat socialists say that voting for Scottish indy “will divide the working class”? Surely it will also, by the same reasoning, divide the upper (“repressive”) class – and so be a good thing? No?!?

    It is weird that George Galloway and many like him are allowed to meet with Sadam Hussein, brown-nose Qadaffi, heck, they could even have been allowed to publicly kiss Stalin or Hitler, but the complete no-go area is Scottish independence.

    What IS it about Scottish independence that even a united Ireland can be allowed, but Scotland must not go? Is there some legend, like the ravens of the Tower of London, that when they lose Dumfries, England will fall??

  52. Bill McLean says:

    galamcennalath – well come on! We couldn’t be could we!

  53. jdman says:

    I had several calls from these people, call centre was in Glasgow.

  54. Angra Mainyu says:

    Galamcennalath I’m sure the English feel that 99% of their nuisance calls are Scottish. It’s a bit like using Scottish cops to man English picket lines and vice versa.. The logic escapes me.

    I’d be quite happy if we all just stuck to shovelling our own shit.

  55. jdman says:

    Another one we couldn’t get peace from
    from the English town of…eh Cumbernauld

  56. Al-Stuart says:

    Off topic but important, apologies if this breaches any WoS protocol.

    Just received an update from The People Versus Carmichael.

    The price of justice does not come cheap. The stubbornness of the lying miscreant that passes for an MP at Orkney and Shetland continues to cost foodbanks and democracy untold harm.

    The campaign, already at £134,360 has now been hit with an additional £75,000 legal bill on top of this.

    I’m banging across a tenner. Hopefully fellow WoS folk will join in too. The Northern Isles 4 are very brave putting everything they own on the line because of a lying excuse of a politician by the name of Alistair Carmichael.

    I think the decent thing to do here, for anyone and everyone who believes in democracy – no matter what their political persuasion – is to consider firing across a fiver, tenner or more if you can manage…

    The campaign needs a further £75,000.

    Hopefully it will be raised soon.

    Be that on the despicable Alistair Carmichael’s conscience. All that money could and should have gone to foodbanks. Not for that lying creep to cling onto his financial gravy train otherwise known as Westminster.

    Come on WoSers, please do the Orcadian and Shetland folk proud. Think about donating now. Thanks.

  57. jdman says:

    The call centre for DM design was MGT in Kirkcaldy.

  58. handclapping says:

    Aye Kirkcaldy is a den of iniquity to be sure!
    Lochgelly man arrested for Kirkcaldy bank robbery.

  59. Robert Peffers says:

    @galamcennalath says: 5 December, 2015 at 5:35 pm

    “Good point. I don’t think I’ve ever had an unsolicited call with a Scottish accent.”

    As I already posted most of the cold calling is done by machines, mainly computer programs. I’m unable to hear most callers over a phone line so use an answer/FAX machine. When it answers callers it tells them I cannot hear their message but informs them how they can reach me by email, text or FAX message.

    If the caller is a human being they usually just hang up and do not attempt to leave a message as they know I cannot hear it. If it is NOT a cold call they then contact me in a way I can read.

    However, if it is a machine or computer it doesn’t wait for the tone to indicate my message has finished and all that is recorded is a part of their spiel that misses their intro and usually says, (so I’m told), … … if you want, “whatever”, press number one: if you want, “Whatever else”, press number two … …

    Apparently my no-deaf helpers say there is a limited number of recognizable voices as there are only so many companies selling these automated machines or programs.

    I also get the impression that those making the calls are getting paid by the number of calls they make rather than those that are successful something. Otherwise why would they keep calling the same numbers over and over and over again? Humans would cross off unsuccessfully called numbers as a waste of time but machines can’t tell the difference.

  60. Valerie says:

    I literally can’t breathe for rage.

    The Herald has a headline over a picture

    Scottish fighter jets…… Islamic state

    So we are a sitting target because these jets are now Scottish

    I hope every fucking no voter reads this

  61. Brian Powell says:


    There seems to be no way of making a contribution.

  62. Toby says:

    Interesting dynamic here. James Kelly is actively campaigning on behalf of Mo Razzaq the Labour candidate for local councilor in the forthcoming Blantyre by-election. I do not wish to denigrate Mr Razzaq, a respected local businessman, who does have some standing in the community.
    But as well as being a local shopkeeper, Mr Razzaq is also known locally as a major landlord in the area. Having purchased, in the main, ex-local authority houses which he now leases at market value rents. Rents which are far in excess of local authority rents and of which I am sure a large proportion may be dependent on housing benefit or equivalent subsidy.
    I wondered how this sits with the socialist principles of the Labour Party in Scotland. How does the Labour Party would view his role in this business, and compare it, say, with the property business of Michelle Thompson M.P.
    Would there not be a conflict of interest in a councillor receiving a benefit from rents subsidised by social welfare payments.
    I’m not suggesting there is any wrongdoing on Mr. Razzaq’s part, just a risk of conflict of interest, and a certain amount of hypocrisy on the part of he Labour Party in Scotland

  63. galamcennalath says:

    jdman says:

    “The call centre for DM design was MGT in Kirkcaldy.”

    SKY also has a Scottish call centre. There’s quite a lot online about the desirability of a Scottish accent.

    A typical call centre exists to handle customer queries. They won’t normally be in the unsolicited nuisance part of the market.

  64. galamcennalath says:


    “Scottish fighter jets”

    Indeed. I have noticed several references like that.

    Are we all becoming paranoid … or can we smell shite because something stinks badly?

  65. jdman says:

    “Aye Kirkcaldy is a den of iniquity to be sure!
    Lochgelly man arrested for Kirkcaldy bank robbery.”

    I have an alibi for that day. 🙂

  66. Kenlike says:

    That’s no a phone. Thon Labour tumshie’s pluggin hisel in.

  67. peter says:

    Surely, phone canvassing requires you to be able to string more than two words together?

  68. Giving Goose says:

    Kenny, Scottish Independence is a “No Go” for Galloway because he is a paid up member of the London Establishment and he makes a lucrative living from the Union.
    He is a charlatan, milking the misery of the poor and needy so that he can line his pockets with filthy cash!

  69. caledonia says:

    What i would be doing if i were the SNP is say they agree with labour that nuisance calls are very very bad and if you want them to stop you have to vote for the SNP as it only the government in London that can do anything just now..

    saying that trumps labour and says to fix the problem is to vote snp

  70. jdman says:

    “SKY also has a Scottish call centre. There’s quite a lot online about the desirability of a Scottish accent.”

    Sky has several call centres in Scotland, now lets see
    Glasgow (Ibrox),
    All of which are inbound call centres, there is an outbound call department who only call customers who have given previous consent for Sky to call them,
    Sky takes it’s responsibilities to the public seriously.

    And yes your right, the Scottish accent is regarded as “trustworthy” in the call centre industry.

  71. jdman says:

    “Are we all becoming paranoid … or can we smell shite because something stinks badly?”

    Well, when’s the last time (ever) we’ve heard of “Scottish fighters” it was a thinly (not at all) veiled point making it clear we’re part of the attack on Syria whether we like it or not. #suck it up Jocks

  72. Angra Mainyu says:

    Valerie, re. “Scottish fighter jets…… Islamic state… So we are a sitting target because these jets are now Scottish. I hope every fucking no voter reads this”

    The No voters will love it. The Herald is on its knees fighting for the same thick as shit demographic as the Daily Record.

    They’re all trolling us for sure but if Scotland is attacked by terrorists, the Herald will have blood on its hands.

  73. Lesley-Anne says:

    Just in case folks were unaware of the intellectual status of Moanng Minnie. 😉

    I have just read over on Twitter that Moaning Minnie was on *ahem* Celebrity Pointless. 😉 The last question she was asked was “which side of the road do the Irish drive on?” 😉

    Now I do not want everyone to rush at once with the answer … just those who answered the same as oor wee Michelle who answered … the RIGHT! 😀

  74. Graham MacLure says:

    Robert Peffers @ 6.15

    Hi Robert I have similar problems with phones and nuisance calls as I do not recognize the voice. Although I am not conscious of it a lot of my hearing is visual but even face to face a known voice is easier to understand.
    I have a cochlear implant which is light years ahead of hearing aids for me but phones are still tricky.

  75. Dr Jim says:

    Thing is…..Oh!! back in a minute that’s my phone going off again..all flipping day

  76. jdman says:

    Moaning Minnie?

    Minnie the Moocher surely

  77. Iain says:

    It is a great feeling that you are not a war criminal and want nothing to do with the illegal under international law war with Syria about oil and knowing you will be free!

  78. Dr Jim says:

    I’m back, it was just one of those Isis/Isil fellas
    They want to know if we require any help to overthrow the British Nutcases (survey kind of thing) I just said NO I hope that was OK

    I thought it was going to be that annoying idiot Kelly, now that really would piss me off (bloody nuisance calls)

  79. Iain says:

    The drink was talking, but in the morning the UK was still ugly. Vote Snp,Snp.

  80. Jimbo says:

    I wonder how many people he thinks heard him talking shite (Labour policies) through his fingers?

    I wonder how many people he heard through the finger in his ear saying they’d vote for Labour?

  81. Wuffing Dug says:

    Al-Stuart @ 6.02

    Chucked some more money in too.

    Will contribute more if they ask.

    Would love to see that lying bastard nailed, maybe wishful thinking though. We can but live in hope.

  82. Iain says:

    I chucked some more money in the getting the bastard to face the music for his lies.

  83. Wuffing Dug says:

    The record and herald are a fucking disgrace.

    A stain on our country.

    Sick of these insane yoons and their poisonous rhetoric.

  84. Frazer Allan Whyte says:

    Sorry off topic or if already noticed

    This was the caption on the first photo of the Guardian photo coverage of the storm.

    “Renfrewshire, Scotland. The province has been hit by widespread travel problems as continuous torrential rain and high winds batter Scotland.”

    I’ve never hear R-shire described as a “province” before or maybe it refers to something else?

  85. DerekM says:

    hehe @ Dr Jim

    I got around the nuisance calls want to know how i did it…i dont have a phone anymore and you know what i do not miss it.

    Im not sure if that would work for the youngsters out there but i can remember the days when a phone was like a TV a luxury and if you wanted to talk to someone you went to their house and said hello.

  86. skozra says:

    Donated again also – and am happy to keep doing so.

  87. Lesley-Anne says:

    Well folks it would appear that Putin has just turned up the heat on Turkey and NATO.

    Still never mind oor wee Hambone lover will be sitting in number 10 rubbing his hands with glee at the prospect of his defence company shares shooting up even HIGHER over this!

  88. Andrew McLean says:

    Frazer Allan Whyte says:
    Colony than province, I know a song about a boy from the colony, but not one from the province!.
    I wonder if they will sing it on the X factor?

  89. Lollysmum says:

    Have just made another donation to the Orkney 4’s appeal for support. If you can manage it please add some money to the pot-they must be so worried right now with having to find another £74,000 🙁

  90. Bob Mack says:

    Just donated to Orkney appeal.Will do so again next week.

  91. Robert Kerr says:

    Beat you to it Lollysmum but this is vital.

    If the establishment break the bank for the Orkney4 then this sort of action won’t happen again. EVER.

    Very important for democracy.

    Come on Wingers, delve deep.

  92. Dave McEwan Hill says:

    I feel we are losing a little impetus at the moment,though with the level of vicious and continuous attack we are subjected to this is hardly surprising. There is however diminishing return on this sort of politics.

    But I don’t think whatever they do can make James Kelly look like the serious answer to any political question to any discerning elector.

    I want to see us raise our game. We are continually embroiled voluntarily in complicated arguments about distortions of Scotland’s economic condition. Invariably these describe a Scotland trapped in a busted UK economy and use the result of this as arguments against the too stupid,too small,too poor Scotland. We must stop this.

    It is a big dose of national pride and self esteem we need
    (though one acquaintance emailed today that though he believed Scotland would be poorer independent after the Syria vote he now wishes he had vote YES. Room for thought).

    Been quiet today. Just recovering from a classic Gaberlunzie concert last night in Dunoon. They get better and better. And large dozes of national pride served up to an audience that visibly got stronger the longer the show went on.

  93. Nana says:


    Donated at 5pm, got an email from them saying they needed an additional 75,000 . As you say they must be worried sick.

  94. X_Sticks says:

    Can’t but reiterate what has been said about the Orkney4 fundraising campaign. We have to ensure they are supported in their quest for justice. They should not have to worry, but I’ve no doubt they will be worried by the size on the bill.

    I’ve done my wee bit and I’ll do more next month and so on until it’s covered. As Robert said, delve deep folks, please.

  95. Lesley-Anne says:

    Just donated a tenner wish it could have been more.

  96. Dr Jim says:

    If Mayfair Mone doesn’t know her right from her left, how does she know what side of her head to zip up

    Mibbees just get one for her mouth Eh

    I get a lot of pleasure out of saying unkind things about Mayfair (should I feel bad) it doesn’t feel wrong somehow

  97. Graham MacLure says:

    Just donated another tenner to the Orkney4 and will support them as much as I can.

    Robert Kerr @ 8.54.
    You are absolutely correct. These people are fighting for all of us and must be supported by all of us who can.

  98. Bill McLean says:

    Contributed for the Orkney 4. God bless them!

  99. Thepnr says:

    Yes let’s set an example, starting with Carmichael.

    This is the third time I have tried to post an appeal for the Orkney & Shetland four since 20:22. It was a fairly lengthy post that tried to express my view. Has failed to appear.

    Luckily it posted, no problem in Off Topic two minutes before I tried posting here. Since it appeared on that thread and I simply cut n pasted I doubt it is a WordPress or Wings filter problem?

    If it eventually appears all well and good. I now though doubt it will ever appear on this thread. You can if you like read the original comment here. I hope you will, censorship doesn’t sit well with me!

    Something fishy, pass me that tin hat. If it eventually appears all well and good. I now doubt it will ever appear on this thread.

  100. Simon Chadwick says:

    Perhaps when she said the right side, she meant the correct side, i.e. the left side?

  101. Lesley-Anne says:

    Simon Chadwick says:
    5 December, 2015 at 9:26 pm

    Perhaps when she said the right side, she meant the correct side, i.e. the left side?

    No way Simon … she is too THICK to even begin to try and figure that one out! 😀

  102. Thepnr says:

    By the way, I’d better make it clear I am NOT accusing Wings of censorship! That’s why I need a tin hat 🙂

  103. Kenny says:

    Wowee, quite a few people have been donating £100 or £50 at a time to the People v Carmichael Fund.

    Now *that’s* what I call setting an example!

  104. Hector says:

    Best wishes to the Orkney 4! Donated £20 and consider this money well spent in calling Carmichael to account. If I were a Labour Party activist in an English constituency who wished to challenge my MP over their vote for bombing in Syria, I would be taking a very close interest in this case.

  105. cearc says:

    Yep, I coughed up a few more pennies when I had the email. Very worrying time for our northern friends.

    Robert Kerr is quite right and what is more the fact that crowdfunding can cover a case like this is so very important. So few cases have ever been brought, presumably because of the costs.

    Even if they are ruled against, the mere fact that it has been possible to fund the case can be cause to worry candidates when election time comes around.

  106. Capella says:

    Orkney fund climbing steadily. Now at £140,604. Put in a tenner and will add more if needed.

  107. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Whenever I see Mr Kelly on TV, or in pictorial form, I am reminded of this exposé from BBC Scotlandshire.

  108. cearc says:

    ‘Setting an example’ is this threads title.

    So what better place to keep cheering for the Orkney 4?

  109. Iain says:

    We are right and we will win, as long as it takes we will not be put back in our boxes.

  110. ben madigan says:

    not totally off topic folks
    I hope you will all enjoy this wee vid –
    For the series “we come in peace and leave you in pieces”


    PS all best wishes to the Orkney 4 for a resounding victory on behalf of all Scots

  111. Thepnr says:


    Would you mind doing me a favour? I would really like to get to the bottom of this non posting stuff if possible. I just tried cut n paste directly of my comment on Carmichael again from:

    No luck, got the message: “Looks like you have already said that” which is true but doesn’t mean it appeared. Don’t know why.

    Can you try cut n paste my topic from Off Topic to this thread, just to see if it appears? I’m very curious.

  112. Lollysmum says:

    From The pnr (via off topic)

    A wee reminder of the Carmichael fundraiser.

    “Help me Rhonda” – The last ever performance by the original Beach Boys in the UK. Knebworth 1980

    Now the reality:

    “As ever we are so appreciative of the unwavering support you have all given us so far. As the petitioners are still in an ongoing legal situation there is unfortunately still little detail we can provide at this time. We are relying on trust.”

    I’ve trusted them this far and they have done us proud. I’ll be sticking with them until it’s over, hope we all do.

    I very much doubt Mr Carmichael has a spare £200,000 down the back of the settee. He is being funded by those that wish to keep the boot on our human face.

    Let’s prove we have their measure, bad time of year I know but £1 or £2 between many goes a long way, we will match them.

    We fight on, just as they are doing on our behalf.

  113. Thepnr says:


    Mindreader! Doesn’t explain why I can’t post it here, will think about that.


  114. Iain says:

    The unionists are shiting themselves a the thought of their upcoming monumental defeat in May and would do anything to put us back in our boxes. They just wish we would vote any thing wearing a red rosette, as in the past, but we’ve moved on and there’s no way back.

  115. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    An aside for Thepnr.

    It seems to be that if you try to paste an exact copy of something you have already posted on the site, WordPress detects the same string of characters and gives you the ‘duplicate comment’ warning.

    You have to change/delete/add at least one character in your paste to get past the ‘duplicate comment’ filter.

  116. Lollysmum says:

    That was my understanding so that was why I added the first line above thepnr’s post. I’ve done the same myself but don’t always get the duplicate post message so I thought I’d give it a try.

    Thepnr-you’re welcome

  117. sinky says:

    Toby at 6.24
    Yes don’t expect Glasgow unionist press to mention the Labour candidate in Blantyre by election business activities despite doing a hachet job on Michelle Thomson…morally wrong at the very least…. Nudge.. Nudge

  118. Capella says:

    Came across a link to Mark Curtis’ blog post on Hilary Benn’s speech. Mark has written a lot about UK duplicity in the Middle East and abuse of human rights. Benn’s speech is a model of deceptive jingoism.

    “Britain’s air force began bombing the Middle East 100 years ago, soon after airplanes were invented. Whitehall basically invented aerial bombing and we have the longest track history of not only launching the weapons but managing the propaganda.”

  119. Lesley-Anne says:

    And so it begins!

    As you read this link just keep in mind “Britain is safer tonight because of the decision that the House of Commons has taken,” Foreign Minister Philip Hammond told Sky News.

  120. Iain says:

    Just comfort yourself with the thought, we are right ,bombing folk illegally is never right. The bum papers may lie on a daily basis, but that doesn’t make them right. Vote Snp,Snp in May

  121. Thepnr says:

    @BDTT & Lollysmum

    Duh! Removes the tin hat and looks very sheepish. Sorry for hogging the thread.

  122. yesindyref2 says:

    Mmm, I only answer calls I recognise the number which does have its advantages if people are trying to contact me I don’t want to talk to. Eventually when I do talk to them it’s “sorry, I get so many nuisance calls I don’t answer the phone unless I recognise the number”.

    Has its uses. Answering machine gets so full I can’t get through that either, except rarely. What a shame for those trying to contact me.

  123. bugsbunny says:

    When Carmichael is kicked out of the Commons, he can try his hand at Cookery like this former MEP, who must be as financially bankrupt as he is morally bankrupt to do this. I wonder how many will try his recipes?


  124. Lollysmum says:

    Tin hat not necessary this time but keep it handy.

    The45Storm’s film of an off duty pc shouting ‘Bomb Syria’ at the Glasgow demo has been hacked so as to make him unidentifiable. She is undeniably angry by that.

    Re People v Carmichael now at £141,549 but lots more needed. They all stand to be made bankrupt if they can’t pay the legal bills. As I see it they are doing this for every voter in UK not just Scotland. Our democracy is at stake here so as others have said before me we can’t let it fail. People have started to believe that politicians can do what they like with impunity. They feel they are above the law & this case may show them that this is not the case when people combine to challenge their actions.

    I’ve checked in with fiona Grahame several times since the last court appearance as they’d been getting so much stick from the press in Orkney. They don’t regret taking on this case but they are very worried & the only people who can allay their fears are us. Each & every one of us can help to make them feel secure by donating what we can spare.

    Please help if you can.

  125. Dave McEwan Hill says:

    The dispiriting thing about the very appropriate Sunday Herald front page is some of the offensively stupid twitter comments

  126. Grouse Beater says:

    The always wide of the mark Andrew Marr presents (now as I post this) a cod biography of coffee table book quality on Sir Walter Scott in a documentary series ‘Great Scots’ made before the Referendum.

    According to Marr Scott regarded himself ‘North British’, an assertion Marr repeats three times in the first ten minutes, and without a shred of evidence to support his claim. Not a quotation from the great writer, nor affirmation from an associate of Scott’s day.

    A smart piece of BBC propaganda one year before the vote demeans Scott and Scotland while in the supposed process of praising both.

  127. ArtyHetty says:


    Just saw some guy, Rodent(?) from Scotyish Daily heil saying they hav ethe dirty on an SNP Mp tmrw…anyone know anymore?

  128. Valerie says:

    I’m seeing an awful lot of hatred and nastiness on Fb defending the war, and going beyond to ridicule.

    Just like the Twitter comments on the Sunday Herald front page posted above.

    I’m seriously depressed right now, and no doubt need a keyboard holiday.

  129. Tam Jardine says:

    O/T Slab’s new attack line on APD is a stat on CO2 emissions increasing if APD is reduced. They have a figure getting tweeted about (they like large numbers) of 50,000 additional tonnes of emissions. Obviously no source given for this figure.

    They also claim the measure will cost £250 million but I’ll leave that as it so idiotic as to be not worthwhile challenging.

    I read a little of Transport Scotland’s impact study which came up with a figure of 34,000 tonnes but opened with the proviso that “Transport Scotland does not possess models capable of producing an estimate of the impact on emissions from altering APD.”

    I understand a couple of things- firstly that we have to do all we can to limit CO2 emissions. Secondly, I understand how difficult it is to predict the effect of reducing APD on emissions.

    What are we trying to achieve? We are trying to get people who would otherwise travel to somewhere else on either business or on holiday to travel to Scotland INSTEAD. Are these additional journeys that would otherwise not have been made? Perhaps some, but mostly the effect will be making it more attractive to conduct business here rather than elsewhere, and more attractive to come here on holiday rather than go elsewhere on holiday.

    I don’t get the opposition- for a country that is pretty much on the periphery of Europe, it seems fairly sensible to remove obstacles for people wanting to travel here. As far as I can tell, any increase in emissions will be offset largely by reduced journeys to other places in Europe. And the increase in revenue from tourism and business will be at the expense of other countries.

    Are slab just pissed because they didn’t think of it first and are now duty bound to oppose it?

    To describe the SNP as climate hypocrites when they have been pushing so hard on renewable technology in the face of Westminster opposition is pretty ridiculous, particularly in light of so many slab MPs voting to bomb Syria. War is not a very green course of action as far as I can tell. So take the plank from thine own eye and aw that.

    If its such a crap idea to reduce APD- if they really think it will cost £250 million and don’t think this will be offset by any increased revenues (as is implied by their position) and think it will increase the sum total of emissions of CO2 by a huge amount without being offset by reduced flights elsewhere then why not INCREASE APD?

    Why don’t they go to the polls with a policy of making travel to Scotland less attractive?

  130. Robert Peffers says:

    @Frazer Allan Whyte says: 5 December, 2015 at 8:28 pm:

    “Renfrewshire, Scotland. The province has been hit by widespread travel problems as continuous torrential rain and high winds batter Scotland.”

    Nah! Frazer, that reference is sure to be their reference to their UK/English Province of Scotland.

    As I’ve been pointing out for years the terms UK, Britain and England are all perfectly interchangeable in their version of the standard English Language.

    Never forget that little gnome like David Mundell’s sneering claim as he quoted thus from a paper commissioned by the UK government and compiled by two self proclaimed international Law experts.

    “The Treaty of Union extinguished the Kingdom of Scotland and renamed the Kingdom of England as the United Kingdom.”

    There is not a single shred of written evidence in either the Treaty itself nor in either the Scottish or English Acts of Union that supports that pack of utter lies.

    There is, though, ample evidence that there were only two British Kingdom in existence in 1706/7, when the United Kingdom was formed and that these two kingdoms were equally sovereign Kingdoms.

    The Kingdom of England annexed, not united with, Wales by the Statute of Rhuddlan, (1248), which, under the then laws of both England and Wales, was the Divine Right of Monarchs. Any monarch who defeated a rival in battle, married into or inherited another realm legally tagged it onto their existing kingdom.

    The Kingdom of England, under the same Divine Right, annexed the Kingdom of Ireland by, “The Crown of Ireland Act”, (1542). Divine Right, though, was not Scottish law after, “The Declaration of Arbroath”, (1320). Furthermore the Edinburgh-Northampton Treaty, (1328), shows that England was paid to, and agreed to, accepted Scotland as an independent sovereign Kingdom.

    Thus, there was no Union of the Crowns in 1603 for the very good legal reason that the monarch, James VI of Scots, while inheriting the crown of the three country Kingdom of England where he was sovereign could not invoke Divine Right as the People of Scotland were legally sovereign from the Declaration of Arbroath of 1320, and they would not give up their sovereignty as shown by, “The Scottish Claim of Right”, (1689).

    In fact The three country Kingdom of England did not change the Divine Right laws until the English Parliament deposed King James II of England after the Glorious Revolution of 1688 when they imported King Billy & Queen Mary of Orange. Even then they did not remove the Sovereignty from the new English monarchy which legally remains to this day. They just removed the Royal Veto over Parliament from the Monarchy, but still being independent, could not automatically change the Scottish Monarchy.

    It made the three country Kingdom of England a, “Constitutional Monarchy”, but they were still fighting the Jacobite Uprisings almost 40 years after the Treaty of Union of 1706/7, as much of Scotland would not accept the foreign monarchy.

    The written legal evidence that Westminster has legal sovereignty over Scotland is totally missing and is at best only due to our Scottish elected representatives claiming they have the people’s mandate by being elected but I cannot say I have seen any legal statement that bears out that belief.

    Thus, if either the Westminster members from Scotland or the SG at Holyrood, are elected on a manifesto commitment to withdraw from Westminster it would be perfectly legal to do so.

  131. Thepnr says:


    Those that govern us never wish to see an action of this type ever again, fundraisers now terrify them. When four ordinary folk have the power to take the powerful to court so that they must answer for their actions.

    That has to be a worry, make no mistake those judging this case are worried also. this decision will be scrutinised for centuries.

    Win or lose, let it be known that there is no hiding place for dishonest politicians. Support the case against Carmichael.

  132. Grouse Beater says:

    Valerie: “I’m seriously depressed right now, need a keyboard holiday.”

    You’re not alone in feeling disheartened at the sight of Tories extending wars into more wars, as if chasing a fox to tear it apart.

    I couldn’t get engaged with Hilary Benn’s wildly emotional hubristic claptrap (just trade his name for ISIS and his speech could have come from them) so I set on satire.

    Hope this cheers you up:

  133. Lollysmum says:

    I’ve seen it all now. I’m being trolled on Twitter by an 88 yr old woman going on about Veterans for Peace being thoughtless louts & Bull(y)ington boys. To say I’m gobsmacked is understating it. I’m guessing she’s been reading the Daily Fail 🙂

  134. Petra says:

    Just contributed to the Scottish Democracy versus Carmichael Dictatorship Case. Dig deep everyone. The O & S four must be under a great deal of stress right now worrying that they’ll be left to carry the ‘financial’ can. We can’t let them down now. Let’s see this through to the bitter (for him hopefully) end.

  135. Lesley-Anne says:

    ArtyHetty says:
    5 December, 2015 at 11:08 pm


    Just saw some guy, Rodent(?) from Scotyish Daily heil saying they hav ethe dirty on an SNP Mp tmrw…anyone know anymore?

    I’m guessing some SNP MP has forgotten to pay their bar bill at Westminster. 😀

  136. Petra says:

    I know exactly how you feel Valerie. I’m totally worn out and have decided to take a break …. off to lie in the sun.

  137. Dave McEwan Hill says:

    The media reaction to Benn’s speech was coordinated before the speech was made. I have no doubt about that

  138. cearc says:


    Hope you’re managing to keep your feet dry, I hear it is a tad wet your way.

  139. Grouse Beater says:

    “Scott taught us you can be a Unionist and a Scottish patriot at the same time.” Andrew Marr

    Erm, no he did not, and no you certainly cannot.

  140. Lollysmum says:

    To cheer you up read this from Rev’s twitter feed

  141. Joemcg says:

    On a lighter note Kevin Bridges new DVD has a funny piece about the referendum. “Asda were gonny put their prices up!” Probably sums the whole bottle crashing debacle up.

  142. Robert Louis says:

    Just to pick up on what Petra said above.

    The people Vs. Carmichael.

    The Carmichael court case folks NEED our help. They now need a further sum of money.

    Please, no matter how small an amount, please try to donate, and re-tweet (if that is your kind of thing) etc.

    The donation page is located at;

    These four brave people from Orkney are taking on the corruption of Westminster, and really, really need our help. Please pass the funding site link on.

  143. Lesley-Anne says:

    cearc says:
    5 December, 2015 at 11:42 pm


    Hope you’re managing to keep your feet dry, I hear it is a tad wet your way.

    Aye I’m fine thanks Cearc. It would need to be hell of a deep before I get my feet wet … I live in first floor flat. (O.K. front door is at ground level but hey we can’t all be perfect! 😀 ) 😀

  144. heedtracker says:

    Adam Tomkins ?@ProfTomkins Dec 3
    Adam Tomkins Retweeted George Foulkes
    Mistaken. We don’t need *more* politicians in Scotland. We need better ones Adam Tomkins added,
    George Foulkes @GeorgeFoulkes
    Tabling today an Amendment to the Scotland Bill to set up a Scottish Senate which will provide a check on the absolute power of one party

    “Better ones” How often does BetterTogether Slovenia actually make sense?

    Carpet baggers like Prof Tomkinski used to be a red tory too, before into turning into a blue one but Scottish politics is full of clowns like this and it wont change overnight.

    Senator Kelly on the phone?

  145. Rob James says:

    Sorry OT

    Nana’s link on an earlier thread re Nahdim Zawahi, Tory MP for Stratford Upon Avon and his links to company Genel energy who are flogging Isis oil

    Chairman is Tony Hayward, of BP gulf oil spillage infamy.
    Senior non exec dir. Jim Leng, formerly of HSBC, Bloomberg.
    Ind. non exec dir. Sir Graham Hearne CBE, ex High Sheriff of Greater London and former lawyer with Fried, Frank, Harris, Shriver and Jacobsen of New York.

    Last on the list is the Honorable Nathaniel Rothschild who is a non exec. director.

    It’s a small world, isn’t it?

    Head Office is in London, but the company is registered in the Channel Islands (Jersey)

    Shares have fallen from 720p to 220p in the last year. Looks like they’ve been doing a bit on the side to keep the pocket money topped up.

  146. Al-Stuart says:


    At 6.02pm the People-v-Carmichael fundraising link got posted on this thread (sorry for O/T Stu).

    The crowdfund by the Orkney4 (& Shetlanders) had been going up by the odd tenner during the day and as of 6.02pm stood at £134,360.

    Immediately after the WoS posting the fund has shot up on turbo-charge in 6 hours to £142,079.

    That is a whopping £7,669 – over 10% of what the Orcadians and Shetlanders need.

    Meanwhile the fundraiser for Alistair Lying Carmichael has gone from £2,000 as of ( on 9 September 2015 and in the subsequent three months managed to raise an extra £6,000 to hit the £8,325 mark. That is THREE months, for the fibdem MP. Whilst decent democracy can raise the equivalent in 5 to 6 hours.

    It is a cold fact that Carmichael’s apologist is raising £2.84 per hour and slowing. Whilst the People-v-Carmichael, by tonight’s reckoning are steaming ahead at £1,278 per hour. Kind of says it all about what the vast majority of Scotland thinks of those who lie, cheat and steal to keep their dishonest political gains.

    It makes me proud to be born in Scotland where democracy still exists, no matter how much Westminster tries to kill it and us off.

    Pro-Democracy has raised more in 6 hours than the LibDem liars have managed in 12 weeks.

    Meanwhile, if you haven’t yet popped a little into the People-v-Carmichael top-up, PLEASE think about it…

    Worth mentioning what Thepnr and Lollysmum said:

    Those that govern us never wish to see an action of this type ever again, fundraisers now terrify them. When four ordinary folk have the power to take the powerful to court so that they must answer for their actions.

    That has to be a worry, make no mistake those judging this case are worried also. this decision will be scrutinised for centuries.

    Win or lose, let it be known that there is no hiding place for dishonest politicians.

    Stuart you should be proud of the website you created. The people on here are amongst the most decent and fair minded folk I have ever come across.

  147. Angra Mainyu says:

    The Middle East is nuts tonight.

    Turkey has basically invaded Iraq and the Iraqis have told them to get out. In response, Turkey is saying it has sent a small army in to Iraq in order to train the Kurds. Just mental.

    The US has announced that it is increasing and intensifying its involvement and bombing in Iraq and Syria. Brilliant timing.

    We heard today that British jets are armed with air to air missiles and can only guess why since ISIS has no jets.

    Chatter in the background tells us that the Russian jet that got shot down definitely did not enter Turkish airspace and if it had they would have invoked article 5 and demanded a NATO response. The indications are that NATO would have responded too.

    This situation is going to deteriorate for sure. If we had any sense we’d be at Tesco buying dry foodstuffs and powdered milk.

  148. Lollysmum says:

    RAF closes Cyprus air base as Brimstone missiles fall off a UK jet

  149. Chic McGregor says:

    @Rough Bounds, Ken500

    Concur, one of Scotland’s best literary talents.

    R.I.P. William.

  150. Valerie says:

    @Grouse, your writing always makes me smile
    @Petra, quite right, have a lovely time

    @Angra that is why the Herald really enraged me. I’ve shaken off a lot of that media stuff, and don’t buy papers, except the National.

    I don’t think people realise how horrendous this conflict really is, starting with the horror for the Syrians left, and those in flight.

    But, I think there are so many players on the field some of them deranged, and that’s not a reference to Daesh, and the stakes are being raised by the hour.

    Added to your list is from Lollysmum,the 4 Russian ships being held by Turkey, which is being reported on Al Jazeera, as tit for tat. The ship’s are being held ‘for inspection’.

    What are they thinking after downing a Russian jet and killing two men?????

  151. Grouse Beater says:

    “one of Scotland’s best literary talents.”

    Often ripped off by our dear broadcasters, dropped by Connery, and ignored for a decade and more…

  152. Angra Mainyu says:

    Lesley-Anne, thanks for those. A bit of light reading before bedtime helps you sleep eh…

    You know, in the old days you sort of had a bit of confidence in our political leaders and knew that there was guys with brains involved who would keep a lid on things. I’m talking about people like Douglas Hurd.

    Look at the maniacs at the helm now. The cabinet looks and sounds like the cast from a Hammer film.

    Then you have Putin and this Edrogan character, amongst other; total psychopaths.

    And the Americans are basically hard wired to be aggressive maniacs regardless of who is president, as are the Israelis.

    It’s a perfect storm of lunatics. If we survive it, I’ll be amazed.

  153. Tackety Beets says:

    Who mentioned Douglas Hurd ? Ehhh you mean Mr Whippy?

  154. jdman says:

    Who mentioned Douglas Hurd ? Ehhh you mean Mr Whippy?

    Snigger. 🙂

  155. Ken500 says:

    ‘Scottish fighter pilots’, the majority come from elsewhere.

    A higher % pro rata joined the forces in Scotland because of traditionally higher unemployment in Scotland. Now the same. More personel as a % (pro rata) in the Forces are from Scotland.

    Many of the ex forces helicopter pilots in the North Sea Oil sector have been given their jotters because of the illegally high tax regime and people voted NO. Workers now have to work three weeks on/three week off shifts. Longer shifts bring more mental health issues, less family social contacts and more family break up. More social problems, drink/drug issues. The Grampian Health Board is the only health authority in Scotland that does not fund primary care for drink/drug issues, increasing the problem.

    Helicopters falling from the skies. 4 in 4 years because of lack of compliance with UK Health & Safety Rules. Westminster refused an Inquiry despite the UK Transport Committee recommending one. The BAA (lead by a former pilot) regulator, concurred there was no requirement for an Inquiry, continuing to hide the issues. The Helicopter Company involved in the tragedy sold up two years later for £250Million, without censor.

    The UK Gov is deliberately ruining the Scottish economy, because people voted NO. The Oil sector has been ruined because of the illegally high tax 75% Osbourne is deliberately trying to ruin the Scottish economy to try and stop people voting YES. More Oil and Gas has to be imported pulling up the balance of payment deficit and the debt. There is no money to invest in Renewables or CCS for coal because of UK gov cuts.

    The Forth Road Bridge is falling down, because of UK Gov cuts. More expensive London Bridges are being built. Crossrail is costing £25Billion, to get Bankers from Canary Wharf to Heathrow 10mins quicker. £25Billion for an expensive Hinkley nuclear Power station which will be years late and over budget. £70Billion for HS2 a ‘white elephant’ without a business case and will make rail journeys throughout Britain even longer. Put more traffic on the roads in the South (cheaper) adding to congestion and increase flights in the North (dearer) Instead of lack of comprehensive rail connection/travel. Anywhere but Heathrow. Expansion to cost £Billions. Wasting taxpayers money,

    The Unionists (+ Green who has the casting vote and votes with the status quo – the Unionists. Reneging on Green policies) have ruined the City centre and the local economy, to line their own pockets. Building an unpopular, expensive carbuncle in the City centre, increasing the debt and causing more congestion and health problems. Against the majority wishes and the public interest.

    When Scotland has tax raising powers the NO voting tax evaders, will pay their tax to cover the illegal UK deficit/debt imposed on Scotland because they voted NO. Until they vote YES.

    Vote YES SNP/SNP.

  156. Ken500 says:

    @ BAA – CAA

    Predictive text

  157. alexicon says:

    Just saw some guy, Rodent(?) from Scotyish Daily heil saying they hav ethe dirty on an SNP Mp tmrw…anyone know anymore?

    It will be this.

  158. Ken500 says:

    Roden paid by tax evader non Dom Lord Rothermere (UIKP) owns tax evaded estate in Scotland.

    Roden tax evading (paid) lying, illegal, misogynist, bully, hypocritical ‘press’ member.

    Paul Dacre – chairman of the corrupts ‘Press’ standards committee. Flaunts the rules. New rules introduced by Cameron re Leveson. Westminster controls the ‘Press? ‘ via the Official Sectets Act. The Editor/owners on redial getting their instruction from Westminster tax evaders.

    Thatcher broke the Ministerial Code and lied about it, to hand the MSM to right wing criminal Murdoch. Illegally tax evades and bribes public officials. Without a balanced MSM there is no democracy.

    Sueing the ‘Press’ costs £Millions. It can bankrupt people. That is how the ‘Press’ get away with it, sinking down the gutter even further.

  159. alexicon says:

    Here’s more on the story and it does look legitimate, but that didn’t stop Roden going at the moral angle.

    Roden does have a twitter account.

  160. Ken500 says:

    LibDem expenses, troughers. Abusing public finances. (Sir) Danny Alexander illegally increased Oil sector taxes, costing thousands of jobs and revenues. (Sir?) Vince Cable sells off public assets losing £Billions but making £Millions for the associates,

    Lord Steal make it a Castle. Lord Bruce, Lord Purvs LibDems Tory enables. Sanctioning Killing and maiming vulnerable people and illegal invssions. Costing Scotland £Billions of revenues and wasting public funds. Home Rule liars and transgressors.

  161. seanair says:

    My wife gets the Daily and Sunday Mails(not for the politics). I get the National and the Sunday Herald.
    I am finding it increasingly difficult to find a difference between the Mail content and the National/Herald content. Hutcheon and Roden could be the same person. So I am giving up the two papers from the Herald stable. The money saved will not be large, but I’ll feel better.
    Anyone feel the same?

  162. Bob Mack says:

    Another attempted smear.
    Anything which is not legal is unacceptable.

    This tax scheme IS legal. and like other SNP members he has ,since becoming an MP,allocated his salary excess to good causes.

    Imagine being in a company and demanding to have a different tax scheme than the one they operated for every other employee. You would have NO job pretty quickly.

  163. Robert Kerr says:

    O/T Sorry

    I have just renewed my annual digital subscriptions to both The National and The Sunday Herald.

    I am feeling pleased that I did so.

    Concern trolling is sad!

  164. Ken500 says:

    Roden is paid by a tax evading Non Dom (UKIP) supporter.

    Total hypocrite. The hypocrisy in incredible. No wonder ‘the Press’ is tanking.

    Imagine paying for that nonsense.

  165. seanair says:

    Robert Kerr
    You are entitled to your view about buying the papers, but you are completely wrong about me being a troll. SNP member for many years.
    Just feel let down by the papers I hoped would be a welcome difference from the usual rubbish.

  166. Ken500 says:

    The National is better than nothing.

    SNP MP’s gave up better paid employment and remuneration to go to Westminster to fight for Scotland, Not to trough like the previous Unionist incumbents who lied and secretly did Scotland down forever. The SNP MP’s who were elected are representing Scotland.The ‘Press’ are a minging disgrace.

  167. HandandShrimp says:

    Here’s more on the story and it does look legitimate, but that didn’t stop Roden going at the moral angle.

    There isn’t much less moral than the Daily Mail so Roden is not starting from a strong position 🙂

    I think the big problem they have with all this concerted SNPbad crap is that no one respects newspapers any more. They are held in contempt. It is no longer a respectable profession. They live in a self congratulatory bubble and think they are opinion makers. The internet has clipped their wings. On the internet they are just another voice and no one holds McColm or Torquil or Roden’s twitter views as any more important than Joe Bloggs.

    They don’t have any answers and frequently their comments are less pertinent and less engaging than people who are a lot better at the immediacy of the internet than they are.

  168. Bob Mack says:

    Can you just imagine how much a QC like Joanna Cherry has given up to be in politics?. These are committed people and I for one am very glad to have them

  169. Dorothy Devine says:

    Save your money Seanair as I will save mine.

    It will go to the foodbank round the corner.

  170. heedtracker says:

    no one respects newspapers any more.

    To be fair, Daily Heil alone is world famous for stuff like backing Hitler, the Black Shirts nazi’s in England and today a porno mag, its one of history’s greatest perverts.


  171. Legerwood says:

    Noticed a few posts above about The National and Sunday Herald.

    Both Ian Bell and Iain McWhirter have excellent columns in the Sunday Herald today and there are several very good articles on Syria. Worth a read.

  172. Robert Peffers says:

    @Grouse Beater says: 5 December, 2015 at 11:44 pm:

    ““Scott taught us you can be a Unionist and a Scottish patriot at the same time.” Andrew Marr

    Erm, no he did not, and no you certainly cannot

    No. Grouse Beater, in the case of Andrew Marr his claim is correct. He is indeed a Unionist, he is indeed Scottish and he is indeed a patriot of the United Kingdom all at the same time.

  173. Chic McGregor says:

    As AS once said:

    “The problem Scottish Labour has is that they say one thing in public and another thing in public.”

  174. galamcennalath says:

    @Robert Peffers
    @Grouse Beater

    Andrew Marr always strikes me as one of those Scots who have concluded that their toast is buttered on the UK side.

  175. Capella says:

    An opinion piece in RT on why we are bombing Syria. Includes an interview with Wesley Clark.
    “Retired US General Wesley Clarke went on record in 2007 stating that the fix was in: the U.S. had unilaterally decided to destroy Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran.”

    Makes more sense than all the waffle in the Corporate Media.

  176. heedtracker says:

    BBC Sunday Politics show god fun just now, they’re trying to work out the how and why their merciless monstering of JC’s gone pear shaped.

    BBC creep show airbrushes itself out of toryboy UKOK politics but it must be a very weird life peddling toryboy bullshit, all to protect the tax dodger rich elite of teamGB like Dacre for example.

    JC’s clearly been watching SNP very closely.

  177. HandandShrimp says:


    That is the first time that I have seen Roden’s Twitterings

    It pretty much confirms my assertion that many journalists are talentless in this area. There is a difference between immediately engaging with people and sitting down to write a formal piece. Whatever journalistic skills he possesses, he is not an internet communicator.

    Poor Roden seems to think Twitter is a mixture of a cheap 10 second advert for his own paper and shouting Hear Hear like some braying Tory lobby fodder on the back benches.

    It is little wonder their pish is so weak.

  178. Andrew McLean says:

    I really need to stop klicking on links without properly reading the post, I have just read Rodens link, what a horrible little man he is, my commiserations to anyone who was to come into contact with him. Why are these unionists so nasty and bitter ? Now I need to have another shower to feel clean again!

  179. heedtracker says:

    HandandShrimp says:
    6 December, 2015 at 11:30 am

    They know their market though, Crichton Torquil, Roden and co. Roden’s not very interesting, more emetic inducing perverts, than far right henchman but the greatest was Kelvin MacKenzie. None of today’s grovelers and lackies like Torquil/Roden can come close to Kelvin in his “stick it up your Junta” glory days, and his page 3 pervert frenzy.

    It is going to be fascinating to see if and how far right UKOK media reprobates at the Heil and the Sun can do to JC what Kelvin and the Sun did to Foote or Kinnock.

    They’ve done everything possible to destroy Salmond ofcourse, which may partly be why likes of red/blue toryboys MacDougal, Kevrage, Hothersall flock to them on twitter. But look at JC in Oldham, clearly copying SNP in his Scotland region, or influenced by you could say, if you’re being charitable.

  180. Tackety Beets says:

    Ach a know many will be watching the video on Revs next article .

    Following Rodens demeaning attempts on Phil Boswell & SNP MPs , I’m thinking Nicola need to ask every one of the MPs to write their TOP 10 ” SNP BAD ” moments from the past .

    Once they have had their fun they can publish on Instagram,FB & Twitter etc

    Obviously they will all struggle but I mean “I only gave my kids £1.99 pocket money , all their friends got a full £2 ”

    Maybe I’m so scunnered with the likes o Rodden reporting 1 person whilst the Co & all others involved are left alone.

  181. Capella says:

    Oldham West by election – Craig Murray posts that the swing from Tory to Labour was 8.4%. for the first time in living memory – the BBC fail to report on the swing. Have they binned the swingometer?

  182. Dave McEwan Hill says:

    I find it rather odd that the Mail on Sunday thinks that its target readership will find using legal tax avoiding loopholes anything other than normal and sensible

  183. seanair says:

    Dorothy Devine
    Thanks Dorothy.

  184. Dan Huil says:

    The National has columns by Gordon MacIntyre-Kemp and George Kerevan – always worth reading.

  185. John says:

    well as not a member of the SNP but for 40 years have voted for independence I was surprised a few weeks ago one evening about 8 to receive a cold call from the SNP asking would I do a survey, as that day I had been plauged with about 6 cold calls I was furious at the lateness of this one and told the girl where to stick her survey. I was even more surprised a few days ago about 6pm when I again received a cold call from the SNP asking for a survey again, I asked the girl 3 times I thought the SNP were against cold calling so why were you calling, answer 1 it wasn’t a cold call, 2 I was on the voters role, 3 I hadn’t ticket a box ? . So as I usually do with cold calls I complained until she hung up. Funnily Mr Kelly is my MSP and in the recent general election I voted for Mrs watshername the winning SNP candidate, so whose the big brother or bigsister spying on me?

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