Quarantine
Posted on
January 01, 1968 by
Rev. Stuart Campbell
If people really can’t behave in other comment threads and insist on derailing them with irrelevant and disruptive posts, as a last resort the comments in question will be moved here. People are also free to use it for general off-topic chat.
Quinie frae Angus is now on the badge list.
That’s great Cearc – I will give you half the money for the Sat night when I see you, if that’s OK? If not I can get it to you before then somehow – let me know.
Not sure about the Friday night yet but will let you know asap.
Cheers – looking forward to it!
BDTT & PtC
Ta for the badge!
JEEZ! I didn’t realise – I got first post on the new page in Quarantine!
8=)
TOTAL HUFFING HUFF
He’s doing it on purpose.
@Brian & Pete
Another three names for WoSABZ – Mal Bremner, Kenny Nicol & Jim Dewar. Would all like a Wings badge
Mal says that the brewdog (old Atheneum) is open now, but very busy. He says there is also a Bowie tribute night at Drummonds which is a 3 min walk from Simpson’s/Blackfriars.
See you caught the first post on the blog! Well done. it was beginning to look like a one party state in here & on O/T 😉
Hi X_Sticks.
Names added. Here’s the up to date list:-
Pete the Camera
Brian Doonthetoon
maureen
Wuffing Dug
carjamtic
X_Sticks
Ronnie
Ronnie Anderson
Paula Rose
cearc
Fiona
Julia Blechenden-Roe
Capella
Quinie frae Angus
Mal Bremner
Kenny Nicol
Jim Dewar
17 for badges so far…
Forgot to mention…
If Brewdog in Aberdeen is anything like Brewdog in Dundee, it’ll need a mortgage for a pint.
A FOURTH venue?
The thing is, we don’t really want Wingers spread all over the shop, do we? The Wetherspoons/Blackfriars thing could work, if we regard the Archibald Simpson as home base and Blackfriars as the dugout.
Hi Brian
Sorry for leaving it late,but can confirm mrs carjamtic will accompany me on Saturday,is it too late for a badge,carjamtic 2… 🙂
Thanks
Brian
Bdtt – I think “carjamtic’s OWNER” might be a better badge to provide for mrs carjamtic
@Paula Rose
Paula
Aye yer no far wrang….lol
On 2nd thoughts… SHMBOAAT…would be safer…..
Cheers
Brian
Hi carjamtic.
I’m confuzzled. Do you want,
Mrs carjamtic
carjamtic 2
or
SHMBOAAT (?)
on your wife’s badge?
.
BTW: the cut-off point for requesting a named badge for the Aberdeen get-together is 11.59pm, on Wednesday, 27th January, ie a week on Wednesday.
@BDTT
Already booked, keep me a badge 🙂
Brian
Badge name : Caroline
Thanks
😉
Brian Doonthetoon,
A wee badge for me also, please. Ta.
Luigi
That’s Thepnr, Caroline and Luigi added to the badge list.
Um – where are we meeting up around 7ish – asking for a friend.
Paula,
Tell your friend to go to the Archibald Simpson – and look for a bunch of nutters!
We may drift over to the Old Blackfriars later, it’s got cosy nooks and crannies.
BDTT – another one for the badge list –
Mr Malky
Mr Malky added to the badge list.
BDTT babe – another lurker – Neil
Neil added to the badge list.
Can I have a badge please?
Here are some pics
link to mistygee4.wix.com
Bittie Glakit added to the badge list and Julia Blechenden-Roe removed.
Hey Brian DTT, just put this in O/T like the numpty I am.
If still not too late love a badge for the weekend
Mark
@Bdtt
Brian, sent you an email simply for info this morning.
Hi tartanpigsy.
Totally misread your username until I copied and pasted onto the badge list. I was reading you as “tartanpigSTY”. Sorted though.
Hi Betty Boop.
Email noted.
That’s the badge list closed. If you’re coming, and you haven’t asked for a badge, you’ll get a ‘Wings Over Aberdeen Alert Reader’ badge.
Folks, I’m trying to get Cinderella to the ball on Saturday.
I have managed to arrange a coach and horses (courtesy of tartanpigsy) to get her there, but needing a bit of help to get her home on Saturday night. She must be home before midnight (or even a bit earlier). She lives near Huntly so no train and bus pretty hopeless. I’m reckoning a taxi from Aberdeen will cost about £50-60. Are there enough of us prepared to chip in a bit to get Cinderella home?
@X_Sticks. if it’s Miss F I’ll chip in 50 send me your paypal account and i’ll transfer it over
X_Sticks – raffle?
@Kendo
You put that in to the big pot if you know what I mean (did you see my email BTW?) – I reckon Paula has just volunteered to run a raffle 😀
@X_Sticks Yes, I saw the emails thank you Colin. I think F’s priority now is to get a van that gives her transport to work – if you know anybody who is in the auto biz I’m certain she’d be delighted to talk to them.
Paula Rose DARING to run a raffle, when Irene King is gonna be there?
I wanna see that! Handbags at 7…
8=)
@Brian,
Are John & Irene coming? They’re no on yer list.
Eek that’s not what I meant, I can’t run anything in these heels – just thought some of the raffle money could go towards the fare that was all *regrets trying to be helpful – goes back to sewing outfit*
Hi X_Sticks.
The Kings… Mention on one of the main pages today. You know how backward they are in coming forward…
8=)
Hi X_Sticks.
The Kings… Got to ask him what ‘jdman’ is all about…
@Brian
Think the jdman is device dependant if my memory serves me.
Last minute stuff was supposed tae be workin, but broke ma fit so in aberdeen,try an persuade wife tae drop in.
Been followin wings aboot a year noo, be guid tae meet some o you.
Andrew.
A doric loon – *waves* yay babe looking forward to meeting you xx
Its funny you should ask if we’re coming, we are, BUT got up to a lot of white stuff falling out of the sky, anybody tell me what the A92 northwards is like?I’m thinking sticking to the coast might be a good plan
the name jdman comes from a nickname I was given several years ago by a younger colleague who saw anyone over the age of 40 as suffering from dementia it simply refers to John dementia man,
Sorry if we’ve been messing with the numbers BDtt
I didn’t mean to keep you and Pete in the dark, suppose its too late for one o Petes special badges?
Wings over Aberdeen.
jdman.
You did say earlier in January that you two were unlikely to make it because you needed to cough up for wheel-bearings. But I kept you on my list as a ‘maybe’.
Slight dusting in the city this morning. Shouldn’t deter a stalwart like yourself – but wrap up well.
X-Sticks and ALL attendees.
Yes, I had planned to have a raffle (got the Cloakroom tickets).
All donated ‘prizes’ welcome.
All proceeds to ‘Fiona’s Fund’.
Thanks Ronnie, looking forward to meeting you at last,
Xsticks there are trains from Aberdeen to Huntly but the last one leaves at 10.00 getting in at 10.50.
link to thetrainline.com
However, happy to chip in for a taxi if needed. Should book beforehand though.
Is it at the Archibald Simpson or the Blackfriars? I’ve seen both mentioned?
Hi John King.
Saw your post on the main page on Thursday morning so added you and Irene to the badge list. Finished off the artworks on Thursday afternoon. Delivered to Pete Friday morning.
Re your route to Aberdeen: the northbound A90 is closed at Stracathro, currently, due to an accident. Probably better to stick to the coast road. More picturesque onnyhoo.
link to trafficscotland.org
7pm at the Archibald Simpson, Capella.
Just to let you know that I’ll be thinking of y’all up in Aberdeen, had to change plans due to a pals funeral which I never got to anyway due to no boats, The perils of Island living but i would not have made it up to Aberdeen anyway unless I left on Thursday . Maybe the next time.
John,
Nice sunny day here in Aberdeen, roads fine.
Quinie,
Any idea when you are arriving?
The navigator says 2.00pm, what hotel are you at? ours is the IBIS 5min walk from venue
Apologies to all, I packed up some eggs for the raffle and then left them at home.
Still, we could draw for the lucky person who won’t have to carry eggs home in a less than sober state!
BDtt
“Re your route to Aberdeen: the northbound A90 is closed at Stracathro, currently, due to an accident. Probably better to stick to the coast road. More picturesque onnyhoo.”
you read my mind, exactly what I was thinking as well.
Myself and Quinie, when she gets here, are at the Doubletrees on the Boulevard, it was cheaper at 59/room/night B&b with free parking.
Don’t see why you couldn’t pop in here to say hello and leave your car, there’s loads of space and they don’t ask for registration numbers at check-in.
Cheers Cearc see you all later, we’re setting off now.
Phew. Last part of the puzzle sorted. Cinderella’s coach home booked – estimated cost £60-70, but she lives a bit out in the sticks, so bus/train would mean she’d have to somehow get from Huntly back home. I’ve arranged it through a Huntly taxi co rather than an Aberdeen one.
Glad you and Irene are going to make it John and look forward to seeing you all tonight.
PS Thanks for the support folks.
Sorry People for late call of I have been spewing since Thurs afternoon , had Frid off but no better, for all you,s that make it ,hiv a guid nicht.
Sorry to hear that Ronnie.
Don’t let yourself get dehydrated. See you next time.
@ ronnie anderson,
Sad to get that news, was looking forward to meeting you.
Hope you get better fast.
(Ca’ canny wi the talc)
Wingers over Aberdeen
Any Wingers worried aboot the caul in Aiberdeen – this is for you…
link to youtube.com
Excellent.
Not sure about the best gown though with you lot.
Sorry ye’ll no make it Ronnie, but dinnae worry, I’ll drink your for ye 😀
Hope you mend soon.
What a generous, self-sacrificing laddie oor X-Sticks is!
Has anybody heard from Quinie?
I have no idea when she is expecting to be here.
Been a delay – we will be there, I’m still in Brechin, Quinie and Thepnr are picking me up shortly.
OK, I’ll wait here ’til youse all arrive?
It’s going to take us an hour from here – probably best if we meet up at the pub.
Paula Rose,
You’ve all got my phone no.
OK
Have just the one for me folks. I think I had one too many in Edinburgh last time…
Conan,
I take it you mean each of us having ‘one for you’ including X-Sticks who has already nobly offered to drink for Ronnie A as well?
Should be quite a night!
Paula Rose,
phone me.
cearc – Quinie and Thepnr on their way to me now, be here 20 minutes, ETA Aberdeen 7:30 – message from them – “We’ll see you in the pub”
Give me a ring, you have my number..
I can’t find it! Quinie’s just phoned, she hasn’t got it either – they’re picking me up in 5 minutes – see you in the pub.
@Conan
You’n’me both dude! 😉
No sure if ah’ll manage yours and Ronnie’s as weel.
Cearc I am so so sorry! I have negle Ted to put your number in my phone and thoughts I’d sent you an email earlier but it maybe hasn’t come through for some reason. Can’t get emails on my phone. I just have a wee rucksack so don’t need to check in to hotel. Thepnr and I have just picked Paula Rose up in Brechin and will just meet you in pub xxx
Hi. Just noticed this..hope you all have a ball tonight. Cheers.
Aw Jock Scot, so sorry you, Cactus, Ian Brotherhood, Conan and TJenny weren’t there this time. Looking forward to seeing you all again.
I am lying awake in Paula Rose’s spare foldey-down bed in the wonderful City of Brechin right now, unable to sleep. (Have still never made it home even yet!!)
Reason I am unable to sleep is because my mind is still doing overtime thinking of all the brilliant forensic work being done by Rev Stu, Scot goes Pop, Derek Bateman etc – brave fearless journalism in the face of the cowardly, supine pish from most of the Scottish press pack. (Spannergate just the latest example).
Also thinking about the wonderful, diverse, and passionate bunch that are the Wings readers I have had the great fortune to read comments from or meet in real life.
I am going to write a more descriptive post about the particulars of the Aberdeen night later once I’m up and about. Will put it on Off Topic.
Coz I is bored again:
link to ted.com
If only science had been this interesting at school.
@ Patrician
Thanks for such a worthwhile link. That is a really interesting and, dare I say, “intelligent” post. Enjoyed that.
Off to bed you lot.
Hi all I will be at Wazy,s on the 26th Bdtt put ma nane doon fur a Badge
Names for 26th get-together so far…
Ian Brotherhood
Pete the Camera
Brian Doonthetoon
Ronnie Anderson
For badges, that is…
@BDTT –
🙂
Didn’t take long for youse lads to swing into action…
🙂
Could you please make my badge ‘IanB’?
Full name’s too big for wee circle – ends up tiny.
Hoots!
Hi aye BDTT, I’d like a badge for WoS at WoC please. Will see if I can muster a crowd together for the 26th.
Hiya BDTT, can I join the list for a badge please 😀
As far as I know there’s a group from my area going into the town for a bit of a march on the 26th, so I’ll see if they want to nip into Waxys afterwards. I’ll let you know the response and any badge uptake on Friday.
Btw, nice work IanB – I was going to sit down tonight and phone round places but you bet me to it 😉
I think Waxy O’Conners will be a great venue, I’m really looking forward to it!
Hi Ian B, Cactus and Ruglonian.
All noted.
Brian Doonthetoon
Hi Brian
Can you put my name down for a badge. Looks like I will definitely make it.
Ian Brotherhood and others
Well done for putting this together- looking forward to it
Hi Tam J.
Noted. See you in Waxy’s.
@ Brian
Could I have a badge for the 26th too, please?
crazycat with a lower case c to start would be excellent.
I’m hoping to be on the march, plus at a CND stall at the rally at the end, before moving on to Waxy’s.
See you all then.
Hi crazycat.
You’re on the list…
@bdtt
Badge for me please for 26th name is a bit long so a dayglo KC will do !
You’re now on the list, Kishorn Commando, full name or contraction – I’ll see what fits.
Hi Brian Doonthetoon. A Badge please for me and one for Lynn Please. Cheers. and a big shout out to your partner in crime Pete the Camera. Looking forward too seeing you all on the 26th
Hi Michael McCabe.
You’re added to the badge list. What will Lynn want on hers? Lynn McCarthy?
@Brian Doonthetoon.
Looking forward to our first Wings get the gither.
Could i have a badge please with my name Thomas and one for my wife Mary.
Brian Doonthetoon 2:13pm Lynn McCarthy is Perfect. Cheers Brian.
Badge please for me too Brian.
@Michael McCabe
I sent you an email buddy, get back to me when you can. Ta.
Thepnr has been added to the list. You’re 14th out of 32 who have told Ian B that they’ll be in Waxy’s.
@ Thepnr 10:45pm just sent you an email hope I have done it right. All the best to you & yours.
Hi Brian
I’m going to be a cheeky so in so! I’m one of the team of Inform-Scotland, Ian Brotherhood has my email address coz I sent him the email invitation to the “dooo” However I’m house bound and so will only be there in spirit and heart also through live streaming. Can I have a badge? Won’t ask for one again and will gladly pay any and all costs. Send me an email to let me know thanks 😉
Hi Cherry.
You’re added to the badge list. We’ll pass it on on the day, to whoever proxy you want to nominate.
Brian
🙂 will ask Simon to get it for me. Please tell me how much,is it a donation for food bank?
Hi Cherry.
No charge for get-together badges.
Our contribution to the cause.
Who’s Simon?
8=)
Hopefully he will be there. He’s another team member. Cadogan may be too busy to have time to post. Simon is also busy but I think would have easier access to posting to me. But leave it with me as my next door neighbour said he might go so if he does he’s “it” lol. Thanks will keep you up to date 😉
Hi Cherry.
No doubt everything will fall into place.
Meanwhile, here’s a song for you.
link to youtube.com
😉 well that’s one of my favourite Neil Diamond songs…saw him twice in Glasgow…he was amazing! Red, red wine is another och my list goes on! 🙂
@Brian, oooh, badges for me and Chipmonkey, please!
Hi QQ.
You and the minkie added to the list. Have you a lassonce for ze minkie?
8=)
RE: my previous post.
My YouTube curiosity was piqued…
link to youtube.com
Thanks Brian. Must dash, I hear ma pheaun is ringing.
Testing my technology!
Brian, put me down for a badge. “Taranaich” as usual.
Also, could you whip one up saying “Hero of the Federation”? Will have a special guest coming along!
Hi Brian, I have a motley crew from the Rutherglen and Cambuslang area requesting badges, here goes:
Hevvabeccywoss
H
A-JC
Nik
Jim ST
James
Robert McNulty
The Nomad
There’s a few prominent Wingers unable to make this do. By virtue of the fact that they’ll still be part of the conversation – ie we’ll be talking about them 😉 – is there anyway you’d be able to make a badge saying something like ‘My absence was noted at…Wings over Glasgow’ and they can be passed along to the shirkers!
Hi peeps.
Have added to the list the names above, after QQ and ‘the minkie’.
Good to see you got your posting problem sorted out, chas200!
A wee heads-up…
The souvenir, personalised badges are only made for those who were there and remember it well. We don’t do badges for those who ‘wish they were there’…
Onnyhoo, here’s the current list I have of those who have indicated that they will be there on the 26th and have requested a named badge.
Ian B
Pete the Camera
Brian Doonthetoon
Ronnie Anderson
Cactus
Ruglonian
Tam Jardine
crazycat
Kishorn Commando
Michael McCabe
Lynn McCarthy
Thomas
Mary
Thepnr
Cherry
Quentin Quale
Chipmonkey
chas200
Taranaich
Hero of the Federation
Hevvabeccywoss
H
A-JC
Nik
Jim ST
James
Robert McNulty
The Nomad
As you can see, there are 28 names on the badge list. However, Ian B has been keeping a list of those who have said that they’ll be there and that list is pushing 50 so a fair number of those haven’t asked for a badge.
I’ll type again – you have until 11.59pm on Wednesday, 23rd March to claim your named badge.
I’d prefer a rush on Sunday night, rather than a rush on Wednesday night; the badges are individually printed and hand-crafted, which takes time…
I always feel so guilty asking for a badge cos I know how much time and effort you put into it – but you know – if you have the time…
BTW: we will have a limited number of “I Was There” badges, for Wingers who turn up, previously unannounced…
Brechin’s beauty has been added to the list…
Brian Doonthetoon
Re. badges. We don’t need…..er, add me to you list please. I like lists. Wish I had a list. I’ll need to start making my own. 🙂
Thanks.
Rather than face the full wrath of Paula, I better confirm I’ll be there and I’ll be bringing ScaryCath with me for immoral support.
Also added to the badge list:-
CameronB Brodie
Simone
ScaryCath
I will now retire for an hour or three. Snooze and myoozack beckons…
Looks like I’m going to be there next Sat so I better get on the list 😀
Looking forward to seeing you all there.
X_Sticks added.
Would love a badge, please! Thanks. Looking forward to the day/evening.
Looking forward to meeting more of you next Saturday in between giving Kevin a hand with his live stream. Could you add me to the list as CRAIGthePICT please (I’ll bring another 3 people, Mark, Mandy, Grant). I would urge everyone who can make it to attend the march as well and build up a thirst 🙂
P.S. Please share link to blog.independencelive.net
P.P.S. Please sign link to change.org
Sorry one more to add to the list: Preston
That’s it, I promise 🙂
More names added to the badge list:-
Quinie frae Angus
CRAIGthePICT
Mark
Mandy
Grant
Preston
Bob Sinclair and Gwen have been added to the badge list, via posts in ‘off-topic’ last night.
Reaching scunner point trying to post here. Am I hitting a spam filter or some such? One test post snuck through on 17th but since then – Nada, zero, bugger all. It’s bloody frustrating not being able to add my experience to the great comments and arguments put forward here which is far and away the best site of its type.
No problems posting on other sites (munguins,scot goes pop),
the only problem is here, which is where I wish to contribute to the debate.
If this post makes it then I look forward to Glasgow on Saturday where someone maybe able to give me the benefits of their wisdom.
chas200
Yee-bloody-ha success at last. Coincidence that it coincided withe the Arabs scoring at tannadice? I think I know what the problem was but am too embarrassed to publish it. How can an ex accountant who sat at a desk for 40 years still have hands like bunches of bananas?
Answer – bloody clumsiness.
Roll on Saturday!
Looking forward to meeting you chasanderson200.
I’m hoping to make it along next Saturday 🙂
It will be good to put faces to the forum handles.
That’s Valerie added to the badge list.
Many thanks BDTT! Didn’t like to ask, just saw a message from Ian B about getting accurate numbers, as its getting popular!
Ok. Count me in.
@cearc –
It’s just clicked – you’re 50th?!
Soo-perb.
🙂
Yep, cearc added to the badge list.
Nah. not even my birthday and 50th. was a looong time ago!
Just noticed Saturday’s get together. What time?
@AllyPally 3-5 for the workshop details in Cadogan Enright’s comment on Off-topic 12th March 10:59. Thereafter till closing all sorts of capers.
Hey folks
It seems that I will be able to make the shindig on Sat, it’ll be good to catch up.
Pleease Brian can a ave a badge.
Cheers
Hi AllyPally.
See Ian B’s comment at this link:-
link to wingsoverscotland.com
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Thistle (via ‘off-topic’) and ‘castle hills chavie’ are added to the badge list.
Brian
Please excuse delay,yes,I would like a badge.
Thanks
And carjamtic also added.
I could let you see the badge design we’ve come up with for the 26th, but the wee Numbskull in my brain’s ‘artistic department’ said to me, “Gonnae no’ dae that? Keep it as a surpeez…”
link to youtube.com
@Bdtt
Brian, add Betty Boop and Jim T please.
Ian B et al
Much to my annoyance I now have to work in London all week which means I will be driving back up to Glasgow all day Saturday.
This means I should still be able to come along for the sociable evening part (will keep in touch with Thpnr, Paula Rose and X-sticks whose numbers I have in my phone).
However I will miss the the “business” part of the day (Inform Scotland etc).
So sorry about this. Was really looking forward to that. But will get along as soon as I can in the evening.
Hi Quinie.
Your effort to get there will be appreciated.
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Hi Betty Boop.
“Betty Boop” and “Jim T” or “Jim Thomson”?
@ Bdtt
Jim Thomson
Ta muchly
Thanks BDTT.
Also,I know there was some idea about this many moons ago but I’ve not had time to keep up with Wings posts over past few weeks – is there a mini-bus or anyone going back up to Dundee or Carnoustie after we finally wrap up? If so I would gladly pay for the lift! Would rather crash out in Glasgow but family organising an Easter picnic on Sunday and we’re leaving early doors…..
Um – is there one going from Dundee to Glasgow – I don’t need the return.
Paula dear, we could share a return ticket! You do it forwards, and I’ll do it backwards – like we usually do! X
Indeed we could! Only problem is I’ve seen no such mention of the sort of luxury to which we are both accustomed, but I’m sure our gallant knights will ride to the rescue.
Betty Boop and Jim Thomson added to the badge list.
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Hi Paula Rose and Quinie.
Just had a text conversation with Pete the Camera.
Paula – get into Dundee around Saturday lunchtime and you can have a seat with us to Glasgow. Departure time to be confirmed. Will email you in a couple of days.
Quinie – Pete says no problem getting you back to Carnoustie after the event.
8=)
@Quinie our knights in shining armour!
Hi all
Haven’t posted before but am a big Wings fan and lifelong Indy supporter; would love to come along on the 26th if that’s OK?
Sounds like quite an event, was hoping to sneak in unannounced but it seems to be getting very busy, so thought I’d better overcome my posting reticence and check in!
Really looking forward to it.
Hi yesbot.
Welcome to the world of proud cybernattery!
You’d better turn up on Saturday – I’ve added you to the badge list!
8=)
Hi Brian,can you do a badge for me please
Hi Brian
I’ll definitely be there and I’ll be delighted to have a badge, thank you so much.
‘Liz g’ added to the badge list.
Am I too late for badges?
AllyPally of ClanDestiny and Alistair of ClanDestiny if there’s room, otherwise just the names.
Yesbot
My first one too, glad to know I’ll not be the only vigin(?) there.
I look forward to meeting you.
Lots of vigins – how lovely!
Paula, you are beginning to scare me ?
Don’t worry Honey I’m very gentle really.
AllyPally of ClanDestiny and Alistair of ClanDestiny added to the badge list.
BDTT
Sorry Brian,wee familly thing has come up,means,relatives coming from up north and distant shores,need to kip at mine,need to feed and water them for a few days.
Need to miss this WoS in Glesga gig,gutted.
Distributors for any WoS stuff,needed in ABZ count me in should such an occasion arise 😉
Enjoy the night,lucky buggers.
Re sat night in Glasgow, can u put me and Tam Kerr down for badges ta
Just booked the ferry for Saturday afternoon and have also somebody mentioning something on during the day.
I seem to have missed that, can somebody fill me in so to speak?
Bugger just seen the forecast for Saturday, might not make it. Strong winds over 50 mph
Aweright BDTT, could I request a badge for Dixie please.
Busy in here, how many Wingers do we have now?
carjamtic – noted. Maybe see you again at the next one, wherever…
Lenny Hartley and Tam Kerr added to the badge list. Hopefully, it will be a fair wind on Saturday…
Check out posts by Cadogan Enright and Ian Brotherhood in ‘off-topic’, particularly,
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Dixie also added to the badge list.
I don’t know Glasgow pubs very well nowadays but I note that there seems to be two fairly close to each other. Which one are we using for the main bash?
Oops, that should have read two Waxys close to each other. All the excitement is getting to me!
This one – link to view.co.uk
Badge list closes in half an hour.
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Hi Chas.
Have a look at this link, then zoom out of it. You’ll get your bearings. The top end of George Square can be seen at the right, before you zoom out of Streetview.
link to goo.gl
Had a blether with Ronnie Anderson tonight. He’s suggested that Wingers can meet up, after the march, at the usual spot, under Sir Walter Scott’s feet, before heading to Waxy’s.
This one – link to view.co.uk
Paula, Brian
Thank you got my bearings now.
Ooh this is shaping up to be an exciting Wingers’ night out, what with old friends and lots of “virgins” to meet and greet.
Looking forward to seeing the Clan Destiny team to work on an idea I have for next IndyRef….haven’t seen you guys for ages.
Virgins – including people coming on their own – fear not! You will find that everyone is so friendly and welcoming and just delighted to meet like-minded intelligent people. Who understand why WoS and sites like it (although there is nothing like it!!) are so crucial for helping us scythe through the daily bullshit fed to us by the corporate unionist media.
Looking forward to Saturday. BDTT and IanB, suggest you do regular bullet point reminders to peeps of the three meeting point possibilities! These threads are long and unwieldy and new peeps are catching on to them every evening….they won’t know what was discussed three days ago up the thread.
If you are reading this and still a nervous lurker, worried about the eccentric weirdos you may encounter on Saturday, please take it from me.
Just get your wee Scottish Indy ass along. Yes we are all mad as a box of frogs and yet brimming with political common sense. All different shades of left, right, green and bendy-shaped. You will laugh like a drain and go home wih a heid brimming with the intensity of purpose.
Above all, we will ALL enjoy an evening where we DON’T have to waste the evening answering stupid questions like “But how could we afford it? ” etc etc.
Come on, Wingers. Paula Rose in particular is waiting to envelop you in her loving arms.
BDTT can you cancel my order for badges ( hope not to late) forecast is grim Saturday and I doubt if I will get off the Island.mif I do I will still be there but not looking good just now.
Cheers
lenny
Hi Lenny Hartley.
If you can let us know by around 10am, tomorrow, whether or not you and Tam are going to achieve a mainland landfall, that would be handy.
8=)
BDTT sorry just seen ur message, on boat now so unless wind gets up shortly will se y all tonight
Test 🙂
🙂 test
Hi Bevrijdingsdag.
If you were testing to see if your posts worked here, your test was successful.
However, if you were testing to see whether you could attract Paula Rose to Quarantine, like a moth to a candle, I fear you have failed.
8=(
I don’t like oblongs.
I want so more emojis but they never work for me so lets try this!
😕 (: and ? )
8) ( 8 and ) )
:X ( : and X)
😯 (8 and O)
let’s see how many of these, if any work. 😀
For Chic McGregor.
Remove the * from the link below before you try to paste it into the address bar. (Long story…)
link to a*rc*hi*ve.org
(Just trying to post a link after four unsuccessful attempts on the main page and one in ‘off-topic’.)
Hi are you about?
I’m keeping a watching brief – but shhhh; you ain’t seen me, coz this week, I will mostly be eating gravy.
I’m here Andrew
Me too – guzzles gravy.
You two know what curiosity did to the cat?
🙂
Peace Always
Hi Smallaxe.
I know that cat was called ‘Curiosity Kilt’ but I could never understand why. I’ve never seen a cat in a kilt, never mind a curiosity one. Maybe I will learn when maturity hits me.
Of course, maybe CameronB Brodie has the answer in his notes…
Brian Doonthetoon:
Have you heard about Rudolph’s pal Olive?
🙂
I’ll bet CameronB has.
Peace Always
Hi guys, sorry small axe was otherwise, ?
How are you doing, I hope you’re well?
I’m gonna paste this in here coz it escaped comment last night after I posted it next door at 10.15pm and, TBH, with it containing a couple of factoids, I thought somebody would have typed something…
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I haven’t stuck on any music for a while so here’s one from 1968 to waken you up. It features Adrian Gurvitz, who went on to write a classic – in an attic.
link to youtube.com
The second two are from the early 70s. In the first, substitute the phrase “ESSO understands” in the choruses and think about a Morris Minor wending its way through English country lanes. Fans of Marmalade can check out the producer/arranger named on the label.
link to youtube.com
From the same band is this one, which, when I reheard it a couple of years ago I recognised but I’d never known who did it. It was unlocked from a dusty corner of my musical memorybockers.
link to youtube.com
Hi Andrew I’m fine thanks,whats on your mind?
Paula,
Guzzling,,siping surely?
I have no idea about Rudolph’s pal Olive, Smallaxe. But it’s late and I’m about to have my supper, so there!
Brian:
Olive the other reindeer 🙂
This is a very poor medium for communication!
Yes, isn’t it just.
For a den of iniquity, we are too full of whatever God you believe in.
Anyway a bad night is better for the company of friends.
Peace love and understanding as someone would say?
Agreed Andrew,there’s nothing funny about that!
Hi Smallaxe.
Apart from Popeye’s burd, the only other Olive I knew was the cashier in Claude Alexander in Dundee, where I worked in the 70s.
But that’s neither here nor there; that was then. Ken?
Brian Doonthetoon:
If you sing Rudolf the red nosed reindeer,you will find Olive
Indeed not my friend.
My dad used to say “cool heads” his favourite poet was Kipling, the poems resonated with him.
Kipling was pro war til he paid the sacrifice of loosing his son.
“They believed us and perished for it. Our statecraft, our learning”
If any question why we died,
Tell them, because our fathers lied.
red not rob:
And this
Therefore I lied to please the mob.
Now all my lies are proved untrue
And I must face the men I slew.
What tale shall serve me here among
Mine angry and defrauded young?
Andrew
I am trying to get this as I want it, critisism please!
Untitled
Contrary to what some people insist
I am real l do exist
I am the burn that runs deep and cold
I am the mountains…millennia old
I am the lochs the islands the sea’s
I am the tall majestic trees
I am real
I am the Grouse unseen in heather
I am the wind I am the weather
I am the stag I am the wildcats lair
I am the snow white mountain hare
I am the sly marauding seagull
I am the eyrie of the Golden Eagle
I am real
I am the iconic highland cattle
I am the echo of some ancient battle
I am the sound of drum and pipe
I am the field of barley ripe
I am the soil beneath your feet
I am the land that scorns defeat
I AM REAL!
I am Not,grand words, on a rogue signed unction.
I,nor my people,gave you leave for this corruption
I leave you behind,with your contempt
and my frustration
I am Scotland,a Kingdom,a Nation!
I am Scotland, proud Kingdom and Nation.
Despite what you have been told
I am real, behold!
I am the burn that runs deep and cold
I am the mountains…millennia told
I am the lochs the islands the stream
I am the dark Caledonian dream
I am the Grouse unseen in heather
I am the gale, in heart and weather
I am the stag Across the wildcats lair
I am the snow white mountain hare
I am the sly marauding seagull
I am the eyrie of the Golden Eagle,
I am the iconic highland cattle
I am the echo of some ancient chattel
I am the sound of drum and Fife,
I am the field of barley ripe
I am the rock beneath your feet
I am the land that scorns defeat
I am never Mere ,man’s words, on a rogue signed unction
Ne’er my Kin proffered you leave for this corruption
What you left behind, was dereliction, a cowards want,
an insurrection!
Your poetry was better. But clever man you are, thanks for the distraction.
My friend
Thanks Andrew,that gives me thoughts to work with.Maybe I should put more Scots words in for flavour.
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it.
IF. R.K.
Peace Always
I may be taking a chance here knowing this crowd of reprobates
but if you have a throw away,try this.billytherhymer@gmail.com
If you just put “Test”then I know that it is still functioning
and get back to you.If not we can talk again my friend.
Don’t use that first (dot)
Peace Always
I have discarded that email address.
let me know if you want another.
Peace Always
Upon independence, we break the chains.. then we build bridges.
Oh, hello Cactus. Yilliv hud yir tea?
Aye aye Brian, it was tasty.. very very tasty 🙂
I wonder who will comment on this page next, this early am.
Upon independence..
Hi folks, check my post on o/t – hope to see ya’ll on Saturday x
My post appears to have disappeared – if it shows up, apologies for the duplication
Wings gathering this Saturday – see my message on o/t
Hi Ruglonian.
Where are you moving to?
Been off grid for a few weeks so only just catching up now. I notice there is a gathering plannned for Aberdeen — where and when?
Scrap that last message. Equipment in meltdown mixing dates between years!
Bdtt? Could you repost the means by which we find commenters on wings again? When you’ve a moment? My old hard drive was replaced thereby all my old bookmarks gone and I can’t for the life of me remember how to do this. Thanks in advance. 🙂
K1: I hope this is what you’re looking for my Friend. Copy into Google: Wings over Scotland “K1 says”: ” Nana says” etc. Please tell Nana that I’m ok but will be busy for a while, I may post occasionally: Tell all I send Peace Love and Solidarity
_________________________________________________
K1: Don’t post this bit:
I am going back to what I do best (Climbing drainpipes) metaphorically speaking. Things are coming to a head regarding our cause, as you know and I have to make my small contribution (Peacefully of course)while I am still able.I will explain all in due course, I am starting to sound like James Bond 🙂 it’s nothing like that because I’m better looking than him 🙂
Keep up your excellent posts and look after yourself. See you soon as possible. Your Friend Billy
Sorry I didn’t come back to quarantine earlier now! I note you’ve already let everyone know ye’ll be back soon. Nevertheless loud and clear Billy, take care and guid luck wi the drainpipes…ah hud ma suspicions that you were better looking Billy…guid tae huv confirmation 😉
Thanks for the encouragement re posts, felt quite numb struck earlier on main thread wi the palpable hate that’s being spouted in some posts…and some really weird rationalisations that clearly mask bigoted viewpoints. Anyways ahm no done fightin’ for our independence and I’ll no be put aff by a bunch of numpties emboldened by toxic britnat xenophobic pish and citing said pish as ‘tactical’ examples of ‘how’ we should go about attaining our freedom from London rule.
(Ah knew ye wur feedin’ that haggis by the lamp post, glad we unerstaun each other 😉 )
test test
Test noted.
The unionists lies are like greenfly on Scotland’s prize flower’s, luckily we have banned DDT, but have an even more potent weapon in our arsenal the SNP.
I once agreed with some who said that the Saltire was all of Scotland’s flag, but now now I understand that it is, what it actually is and always was, right back long before the Scots And Pict’s fought the English King Athelstan, it’s the flag of Scotland, The Flag of Rebellion, the flag of Scotland’s right to exist.
And this is the truth most won’t like, but you can’t be a unionist and wave the Saltire, life is not like that, neither can you wear the plaid, be involved in anything in Scottish culture, or even call yourself a Scot.
And the reason is this, the Westminster unionists are now in agreement that Scotland was extinguished by the act of union, in the English press and Parliament, dangerous vile people rage against the Scots, only because we assert our inalienable rights, those rights that generations of Scots, died to win and protect, we don’t win power like that anymore, what we do is vote, what that anus fallon and arse licker gove say is we will not give you the vote, and that right cannot be taken away, because if you allow that, if you give them that power, then you truly are finished as a nation and as a people!
Today in Scotland we have in our mists persons who commit treason by betraying his or her country, (there is a short word for that but it’s banned for some inexplicable reason now) and the unionists support have now to decide what side are they on, do they wish to be absorbed into little England, or fight for their God given country. when Ruth Harrison, whatever the red other one is called says this nation is divided, so stop it you bad independence people, what they want is to for Scotland to continue as the dog, forever watchful of the scraps that fall from his masters table. and how can you say you are a Scot and tolerate that!, the fact is, the truth is you can’t. You can’t be a free man and a slave!
And when our independent Scotland welcomes all those from whatever country, whatever religion and whatever ethnicity, because we understand that together we can build, together along with our European brothers and sisters, we can make our country proud, and be a beacon for tolerance and understanding, that could light the path for others in these dark days in our planet’s history.
No the Saltire, the Name Scotland and everything Scottish and belonging to Scotland is ours, it always was and will continue to be forevermore ours!
treason
I once agreed with someone who said that the Saltire was all of Scotland’s flag, but now now I understand that it is, what it actually is and always was, right back long before the Scots And Pict’s fought the English King Athelstan, it’s the flag of Scotland, The Flag of Rebellion, the flag of Scotland’s right to exist.
Athelstan
I think that it’s about time Stuart created a new topic just for links. Off-topic is now pretty much unusable.
Haven’t been in there for months for that very reason.
Other option is to start using this page in the way off-topic was intended for.
Indeedy. I think that’s the sensible option. If we could get that happening I think a grown-up, self moderation, would also need to be applied.
*hunts around for thicker skin coat*
Did I just imply you were sensible? Hmmm, time for my meds I think.
@ Paula Rose
Nice and quiet in here – like a reading room 🙂
Will you be in Aberdeen next weekend?
I still have notifications for this page but no longer for off-topic, which I check once a day but rarely comment on now.
Hi Betty – yes I’ll be there and yes it is rather sedate in here, more suited to my style these days, I fear the all-night parties and wild times are behind me now.
Catch you in Aberdeen no doubt. Mind and wear your hat as ID!
We’ll be up there from Thursday till Saturday. Thinking of staying over Saturday night too as it is such a long drive back to the south west boonies.
Hi peeps.
I’m still leaning against the wall in the corner, a whisky and Iron Brew (Lidl) in one hand and a bespoke nicotine tube in the other.
Just keep the noise down; hushed, reverent whispers are ok…
*puts BDTT in a chair*
I don’t need no steenkin’ chair!
Calm down Dear suck on this.
I apologise, most sincerely if my playing of music is what is causing the problem, I can assure you that if this is the case then I will refrain in future from doing so.
I did not realise that I was, nor was it my intention to disrupt or spoil things for anyone.
Again, my sincere apologies.
Smallaxe
Hi Smallaxe.
I don’t think it’s the music links per se. I can see the attraction in peeps trading YouTube links in the wee sma’ ‘oors, when there’s ßügg€r all else goin’ on.
The problem arises when you clock in in the morning and find 30+ links to work through, while you’re having your morning coffee and trying to catch up with overnight posts on the main pages and emails and various Twitter feeds. Something has to go…
Maybe we need a modicum of ‘self-policing’ in ‘off-topic’, say everybody limits themselves to two YouTube links per day, but you get an extension if you’re providing a link that is pertinent to a link someone else has posted?
AH! That brings me to something I was thinking about in the past couple of weeks. You may recall that in the late 70s or early 80s, Ann Nightingale had a show on Radio 1 on Sunday afternoons. One of the segments in it was called “Daisy Chain”. I never caught how it had started but the way it worked was that a single was played and the person who sent in the first correct letter (!) identifying the track and artiste, provided the track for the next Sunday.
Bear with me and you’ll be able to work out when I was thinking about this. One Sunday, I recognised the track and artiste but coudnae be @r$ed writing in. The track was “Grannie’s Got A Painted Leg” by the Roy Young Band. Ring any recent bells?
Onnyhoo, I was thinking about trying to introduce a similar sort of ‘parlour game’ to ‘off-topic’. It would begrail…
I would provide a link to a music track. The idea was that the next contributor would provide a link to another track, whose title featured at least one word from the title of the example I had provided. Chronology would be determined by whose post first appeared in the thread.
The example to start off was “Sky Pilot”.
link to youtube.com
Say a couple of peeps came up with continuations – “Sky High” and “Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds” but “Sky High” was posted a minute earlier than “Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds”. The game would continue with someone suggesting a track that contained “Sky” or High”, and so on.
As you can see from the length of this post, I bodyswerved the idea when the Roy Young band was rattling round my brainbockers. I couldn’t see anyone taking the time to get their head round the idea.
If you think it could take on, I have a fine suggestion to start it off. We could link to this post for an explanation of how it works.
Thoughts appreciated.
Hi, Brian, I think that what you suggest is a fine idea and would likely be quite popular my friend.
However, I am disappointed and rather embarrassed by the fact that some of you, whom I have always thought of as friends could not have said something to me before now, instead, I find out by chance, when noticing a conversation going on here that it concerns myself.
As you said in your post, Brian, Something has to go…! I think for the sake of peace, that, “something” has to be me.
I will look in now and then, just to keep up and maybe to answer anyone who may direct a post to me.
My sincere apologies to all and I wish you all the best in the future.
Billy
Peace Always
Hi Billy.
Dinnae be daft! Some “thing” is not some “person”! I’ve been reading EVERYTHING in ‘off-topic’ although, I admit, not listening to every track that has been linked to. I just don’t have the time, what with being out out of hovelhold at 7.55am to earn a crust and so on.
See when you read something in ‘off-topic’ that reminds you of a personal memory? Post your recollection – I’m sure peeps would find that of interest. We have gathered that you have a ‘bit of history’.
Spill it, as you are inspired to do so! Dinnae be retreating into meh corner of Quarantine…
Brian, I am well aware that when you said “Something” that you were not referring to me, that was just my take on the situation.
I realise that you have to go out and work, that is probably one of the things that I miss most, now that I am retired and for the most part housebound, I have more time on my hands than I can cope with and am finding it hard to deal with. Unfortunately, I have used that time in inadvertently making a nuisance of myself which I am now aware I have been doing on WoS.
I am still involved in quite a few other things, Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth etc. in which I will now probably devote more of my time, As for retreating, I have never done so yet and will not be starting now.
I do have a history, as you rightly say but to divulge my past dealings with the establishment would most certainly put myself and my family in very real danger. I am telling my story to a person who want’s to write a book which if it is to be published then it will have to wait until I have passed on. So no signed copies I’m afraid. 🙂
Please carry on with the good work on Wings. I have my own way of fucking up the bastards who would subjugate and piss on Scotland and her people. I have taken no offence and hold no malice towards anyone on Wings, far from it, I admire all who work for the betterment and freedom of our nation.
Again, Brian, I wish you and the others everything that I myself wish for.
Your Friend and Brother
Smallaxe
Hi Smallaxe/Billy.
You typed,
” I have my own way of fucking up the bastards who would subjugate and piss on Scotland and her people.”
Now, don’t mince words – type what you REALLY think!
8=)
What I really think! (Know)
We are and have been for centuries used as a Piggy bank for indescribably corrupt, paedophilic, murdering lying PIGS. Since the “Sixties” when I was fortunate enough to meet some people in London who clued me up on what was happening around me and 99% of decent people, I have made it my business to do something about it.
I am a Mark Master Freemason, a Knight of St Columba and a member of the Orange Lodge. Guess why! I have had a hand in jailing MPs and their associates for their disgusting behaviour, others have had to resign their positions “To spend more time with the family”.
Peace, my arse! I have been beaten up stabbed and shot twice by “Security Services” and their minions. I count among my “acquaintances” some of the most dangerous gangsters in Glasgow, London and other cities in the UK. Gangsters, they may be but some are also Patriots who at times have helped in no small way to put certain documents into my possession.
The organisations that I am a member of, I hold nothing but contempt for but a lot of things can be found out from them in unguarded moments (drunk or drugged) by guess who!
I have now said too much and hope that it does not come back and bite me on the arse. I hope this helps you to understand my furious frustration that I am no longer capable of doing as much as I used to but I will still do as much as I can until death.
Dramatic words, I know but as I have said more than once.
My Heart is in my Words (and my actions) without a moment of regret for what I and others have achieved thus far.
If you are reading this Rev.Campbell I hope you will do me the courtesy of deleting this post 24hrs after my posting this. thank you.
Your’s for Scotland’s Freedom,
The Small AXE!
Upon independence..
@ Paula Rose, 10/03/17, 10:19am
The problem I see with using Quarantine as a substitute for Off Topic is that Q is the place where folk sometimes go for a particular conversation, leave explanations/information and lists for our events.
There is generally only the odd conversation and rarely a thread of any kind. Turning it into what was OT would make it useless for those purposes.
Be good to catch up next week.
Hey Smallaxe my friend you carry on using off-topic the way you are – it’s not a criticism and it’s not aimed at you, the page has evolved and is now working fine the way it is.
Jim and I are just considering using this page for more discussion without the music and other links breaking it up that’s all and as a message board which we can easily get alerted to.
Paula Rose:
Thank you, Would you do me the favour (If possible) of filling this page and in so doing shove my 12:06am post well back into oblivion, in case the Rev. does not or cannot delete it.
I wrote it while my emotions were sort of out of control and as you can see, said more than I probably should. I would be very much obliged if you will do me this small favour.Thank you.
Your Friend and Brother
Smallaxe
My dear dear Smallaxe you are as big as they come my dear friend – us old ancient wings people embrace you – you dear dear man – you bring joy to our lives xx
Smallaxe hard luck babe you is total winger xx
Paula Rose: “By any other Name”
We are part of a garden in which we can grow and bloom together
It takes flowers of all colours to show just how Beautiful
This garden can become when weeds no longer stifle our growth
And in growing we shall bloom
bathed in enlightenment
And acceptance of the myriad of fragrances
That entice and delight our six senses
Six being the sense of inclusion
Written at 1:12am
By
Billy the Rhymer
last of the Hippys
1969r
If lost and found
Return to me please
but if you like it
Please have it
And keep it
In Peace xx
Upon independence…
Upon Independence
I know I
And I know you
I know what I and you will do
I and you and you and me
Will then be Us
We shall then be We
Upon independence
We shall be free
Upon Independence
Free from those
Who’s whole Dependence
Upon Scotland will die
Upon Independence
Peace and Love Always for Scotland and Her People
Aweright Smallaxe, dig it, Yebo!
Got me thinkin’…
Yes! means Yes!
Let’s rip this thread!
One may ask the question again soon…
Scotland.
Upon independence..
Upon independence
There will be no Utopia
No instant fix for us to
Hope for a
World at peace
People set free
That will take work
From you
And from me
And also from them
Whose eyes still
Don’t see
The work will be hard
Not done overnight
For there is much
that is wrong
That WE
Have to make
RIGHT!
Upon independence.. we shall be.
Let’s do something amazing!
Your turn. Over to you Wingers..
Upon independence…
Rapon independence, what shall be..?
I ask thee, Brian doon da T..?
Ask me… anybuddee.
Aweright geeo ~
UPON INDEPENDENCE:
***** ***** ***
geeo says (earlier this evening):
“An independent Scotland will get the Governments the PEOPLE vote for, EVERY TIME.
An independent Scotland will gain FULL CONTROL of ALL fiscal levers required to grow the economy.
An independent Scotland IMMEDIATELY gains £23 BILLION which is sent to WM via General Taxation, (£53Bn sent south, only £30Bn returned to Holyrood).
An independent Scotland will have ZERO debt on independence day, ALL £1.8 trillion DEBT is LEGALLY WM DEBT. My source? WM Treasury.
An independent Scotland will take 100% control of oil revenues, the tax regime will be changed to benefit the Scottish people.
This will bring in £Billions in revenue.
An independent Scotland takes FULL CONTROL of all revenue streams currently taken by WM and credited to English accounts.
WHISKY is a prime example.
Currently, whisky brings in £5.6 BILLION/YEAR.
Only £800,000 is currently credited to Scottish accounts via GERS.
£4.8 BILLION is classified as ‘English revenue’.
Not after Independence.
After independence, Scotland will no longer part fund non barnetted infrastructure spending like HS2, Crossrail (1 and 2, House of Commons refurbishment, london sewers and so on…thats around £5 Bn saved.
An independent Scotland will no longer have to pay £5BILLION/YEAR to service Uk debt. (Debt interest payments).
The Tories stated in 2014 they would refuse a mutually beneficial temporary currency union.
Fine, no CU this time means no share of assets = no share of liabilities = debt free independent Scotland on day 1.
An independent Scotland will use the pound short term until we introduce the Scottish pound. Any country on earth can use any internationally traded currency, simple legal fact.
Oh..nearly forgot…there is £3.8 BILLION lodged at the Bank of England which guarantees Scottish issued banknotes, that money will be payable to the SG on demand upon independence.
So…quick recap.
Independence has an immediate net gain annually of….
General taxation £23 Bn.
Whisky £4.8Bn
Not paying uk debt/interest £5Bn
Not paying for non barnetted infrastructure spending minimum £5Bn
Repatriated monies from Bank of England £3.8 Bn.
That is £41.6 BILLION already, all available to an indy Scotland government, to be ADDED to the £30 BILLION we already receive from General Taxation returned via the block grant.
The Scottish government already runs most major public services from the £30bn block grant, having an extra £41 Bn (minimum, there are many more revenue streams not quoted, notably OIL which i have not even quoted income from) would easily pay all other outlayings required to run a successful country.
I am happy to invite evidence to the contrary. Real evidence though….not pish like GERS, which DELOITTE, in their state of the nation report, clearly stated were ABSOLUTELY NOT an indicator of the financial health of an independent Scotland.”
***** ***** ***
Upon independence.
Nice one geeo.
Cheers to ye.
Priming page for the next Glasgow social 🙂
Testing 1 2 3. Check.
Upon…
@Cactus
Sharing the pound?????? Seriously? C’mon yer having a laugh surely?
I thought people on WoS want people to vote FOR independence.
They won’t do that if we repeat the same “sharing the pound”
nonsense again.
However, spot on about GERS, it’s a pile of keech. And that’s the polite version.
Was told to get on this after the picnic. Hello everyone. This is my first time commenting on the Wings site. Hope you’re all having a lovely evening.
@ Defy
Hello! And thanks for the picnic – it was a lovely idea and well worth attending.
You’re very very welcome.
Hoping to plan a christmas/winter event too. It’s still in the early stages but would folks want me to
a) book a restaurant
or
b) book a hall and we can bring our own food/s, music etc
???
@ Defy
I’ve been to a number of restaurant get-togethers for campaigners, and the problem (for me, anyway) is that it’s difficult to move around and talk to people other than immediate neighbours at the same table.
So on the whole I would favour a hall; that’s just my view, though.
It’s really good of you to take this on for everybody 🙂
Can anyone who’s up for possible Friends of WOS Glasgow social on Sep 16th please start ‘checking-in’ here with plans and suggestions etc.
It’s supposed to be a fortnight on Saturday!
Hi Honey – was just thinking about that, why I’ve been checking my wardrobe.
Checking in bro 🙂
Glasgow Clutha is always an option.
A lot can happen in politics within sixteen days!
@Paula & Cactus –
🙂 🙂 🙂
We ‘may’ have the 13th Note in King St booked. It’s not confirmed yet. Soon as it is, we can get the word out. But even if it isn’t available, there will be a gathering that night, for sure!
Gathers in the wings.
Aye aye Ian Brotherhood ~
13th Note is an excellent venue, old school feel to it too, good size.
Ample parking is provided nearby.
Hey Paula, mwah x
Whose next?
@ Ian B
I’d be interested in the 16th Sept – possibly plus a few if they are not already booked for something else – they seem to be very busy.
Hi Ian
I might come along on 16th, so will keep an eye on developments.
Thanks for organising?
Hey crazycat & Valerie x ~
Whose next?
16.09.2017.
Roll up, Roll up!
Upon iScotland…
Count me in Ian
Thinking aboot coming if nothing else gets in the way and everyone is fine with that. I’ll be on meh best behaviour – honest 🙂
Should be ok, if I can get my legs waxed.
What time?
@ Tinto Chiel
What kind of night is this then?
Might have to rethink ma outfit.
I’m sure Paula will advise, once she has sorted hers out.
Quite so, Valerie: imagine if anyone clashed with PR in the outfit dept. Blood on the tracks…..
Think it’s come as you are, unless someone decides otherwise.
There’s a good Russian restaurant near 13th Note (Cossachok) for those who get hungry. Reasonable prices and the cocktails very cheap, for some weird reason.
Brotherhood @ 23:11,
Just catching up on the M/T when I saw your posting. I think I would be free then and am definitely interested in attending…
Ian Brotherhood @ 23:11,
Just catching up on the M/T when I saw your posting. I think I would be free then and am definitely interested in attending…
@Abody –
Good stuff.
What we really *really* need right now is for Mr Ronnie Anderson to let us know if the place is booked or not. I’ve e-mailed him but ‘no answer’ came the reply. Would someone else who has Ronnie’s e-mail address mind dropping him a line?
At this time, a fortnight from now, we’ll be letting wur hairs down – if we want a decent turnout and enough time to organise the usual raffle etc then we need to start getting a bit of a buzz going, inviting new faces and spreading the word.
And before we can start doing that…
‘Broadsword calling Ronnie Anderson…Broadsword calling Ronnie Anderson…’
😉
Ronnie’s wotsit…
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@Paula Rose –
Cheers, but me no do FB.
😉
Ian dear you hardly do anything but we still love you xx
True, I don’t do much.
But when I do it, ah does it right…
😉
Me and Pete the Camera are intending to be at George Square and any meet-up afterwards.
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Wait, there’s a night oot? Been away for a wee while minding a store. Any firm deets?
Hi Macart.
You haven’t really been keeping up with plans, have you?
Go to
link to wingsoverscotland.com
then read onwards up to tonight.
Cheers Brian. 🙂
Roll up, roll up recent comments watchers…
Upon Saturday!
George Square, Saturday.
Ronnie suggests meet behind Prince Albert’s statue as usual -cannae miss him, he’s on a big horse (Albert that is, not Ronnie, as far as I know).
That’s to the right of the stage at the west (Queen St Station end) of the square, facing the Baltic building with your back to the City Chambers.
For the lost, Prince Albert’s statue is No 9 on the map in this article: link to heraldscotland.com
No Wings stall this time for technical reasons :-). After entertainment will have to be decided on the hoof (sorry!) unless someone has made a booking somewhere.
Re the Rally in George Square
Ronnie has confused the issue somewhat by say the statue intended is quote “the one with the bloomers”. So, presumably he means Q Victoria. Not much of a problem as the statues are next to each other…
We’ll see you somewhere in the vicinity 🙂
Hi Betty Boop.
For the past couple of years, at the rallies in George Square, the congregating point for Wingers has been at the feet of Sir Walter Scott.
With the horses’ arses being at either side of the stage, will that whole area not be a tad busy?
Hi Brian
Just passing on what Ronnie said. We used the Sir Walter Scott statue area when we had a gazebo and stall, but, that won’t be the case tomorrow. We have congregated at the Albert and Vic statues (to the right of the stage) at the front before.
No doubt folk will be at one or the other. I’m not sure anyone other than your good self is paying any attention anyway 🙂 I see some talk about what might be arranged, but, it seems no one has lifted the ball and run with it.
Might see you tomorrow, all being well.
Reluctant Nationalist
You were quoting from Big Book of Racism the other day, so I’m not sure if you’re the best judge and guide to ethical normative practice. I’m happy to be corrected though.
Perhaps a wary eye should be kept on both, looking at this, this, this and this. Many a slip twixt intent cup and lip, and considering the use of some old-fashioned deodrant like right guard might be advisable.
Morning tya yesindyref2 ~
Re your above.
I tend to agree.
For obvious reasons.
yesindyref2 & Cactus
I thought the first three were specific but not particularly prejudiced in tone. Simply a perspective from a culture other than BritNat, Christian, secularism. I hadn’t spotted the last post.
Sorry, I should have responded earlier but thought the matter dead. Not that I think I’m the final arbiter, obvs.
A merry Sunday mornin’ fellow time-travelers, here ye this…
Ahm oan a “secret quest” hehe, Jock Scot knows about.
Playin’ a game, keep fillin’ in the gaps good Wingers.
Perception always. Scotland as is always.
There is method to the madness.
A groovy toon Chris.
Be back soon… 🙂
Testing…
The post I submitted around 2.15pm and then again around 2.45pm (with added preamble) seems to have been lost in transmission. I’ll try splitting it to see what WordPress doesn’t like.
NOTE: the first video in my previous post will, probably, start around 3 minutes into it (the “&t=213s” at the end of the link).
Onnyhoo, this video was produced by/for the YES Bikers and shows a series of still pics from George Square in September this year.
link to youtube.com
Take 3 of second half. Lokks like the short link I produced is being rejected.
Finally, this link is to a ‘Google Image Search’ for “Yes Bikers” results page. Loadss of pics on it.
link to google.com
Just a test…
link to plotaroute.com
Just a second test…
link to plotaroute.com
Just testing to see if two links work
link to twitter.com
link to twitter.com
Just saying that the yesindyref2 account above is nothing to do with me, I’m sure Stu could confirm with IP addresses.
THIS IS SERIOUS STUFF!
Aye 2nd yours Brian Doonthetoon…
It is Friday night!
Hey Wingers.
On the qt.
😉
Burpin’ on the qt… let us rattle dis thread on da qt.
Ahm in Capaldi’s bar.
Video…
1+7=
Now ahm gone Bddt…
Gaun somewhere else…..
Ra Caring City is callin’
Goin’ South….
Mon join me.
Glasgow.
South.
X.
Back in there again GO Friday night like baby Yes…
Bought two EM’s lottery tickets 2.
Scotland i2019 knows.
The Prisoners ken.
Nicola kens.
Soon.
X.
Thurs a party aboot tae start…
Oan the quarantine..
Containment.
Yi dancin’?
Fuckin’ right BDTT..
Whit ye playing?
Ur choice…
Word.
Well…
Here’s a wee musical extravagance, designed to stimulate the Terpsichorean Gland.
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Diggit dude 🙂
Ah’ve headed back HOME briefly for some Pete Tong.
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Aye Love the R.S.
Heidin’ back oot there SOON!
Love it.
Commenteer Mike hath been collared honda M/T aye & by the boss.
To reactivate this page…
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Evenin’ Brian
NOW is the time to reactivate…
Scotland
Here be yin that Rab wrote for every one of us and his Nancy
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Westminster will sever
This you tube video has over half a million views
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Featuring Peter Griffin and a wild bird as the last two entries
Presented waeoot comment (other than the above)
Hi Cactus.
“Scottish people being Scottish”.
I think most of them were Westcoasters…
8=)
Onnyhoo, let’s travel east to that Dundee…
link to youtube.com
And you will find the actual documentary here:-
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Mmmmmmm…
Nothing here since August?
Hi, Brian,
It is quiet in here, thank’s for your greeting on O/T. I hope you and yours had good Christmas. I spoke to big Ronnie on the phone the other day and he says that he’s going to the march on the 11th.
He doesn’t know if there’s going to be a Wings stall there as it’s now Gillian who takes care of that now. I will be doing my best to get there if only for a couple of hours so I hope to see you there if your going.
link to youtube.com
🙂
Eh Smallaxe, it is a peaceful oasis here. I saw your reply here just after Christmas and meant to reply but things got on top of me (brother died on 23rd).
I remembered today. Gillian is doing a WOS stall at Glasgow Green on the 11th. Chris (my son) and I will be joining the march around Union Street.
See you at GG!
Well, this place is rather empty…
Still empty…
Right, gonna utilise this page.
Below is from 30th June.
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I’ve posted this on a couple of Facebook pages today (17th June). If you don’t understand how the voting system for a Holyrood election works, it may be worth reading, highlighting, copying and sharing.
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Quite a long post here but if you read the quick summary, you may want to read how it was worked out.
(I’ve corrected it, because in my first version, I forgot the the Tories had won a constituency seat.)
How could a new pro-Indy party, standing only in the REGIONAL vote, affect the total number of pro-Indy MSPs in the Scottish Parliament?
I’m gonna give an example of my own region, North East Scotland.
Quick summary…
2016 actual result in the regional vote:-
Tories 4 MSPs
Labour 2 MSPs
Lib-Dem 1 MSP
2016, if 25% of SNP regional votes had gone to a Pro-Indy party:-
Tories – 3
Labour – 2
Pro-Indy – 1
Lib-Dem – 1
2016, if 40% of SNP regional votes had gone to a Pro-Indy party:-
Tories – 3
Pro-Indy – 2
Labour – 1
Lib-Dem – 1
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In the 2016 CONSTITUENCY vote, the SNP won 9 out of 10 seats. The 10th was a Tory gain from the SNP in Aberdeenshire West.
In the REGIONAL vote, the SNP had 44.7% (137,086) of the votes, which resulted in NO SNP MSPs for the region.
The Tories had 28% (85,848) of the votes, resulting in 4 regional MSPs.
Labour had 12.6% (38,791), resulting in 2 MSPs.
Lib-Dems had 6% (18,444), resulting in 1 MSP.
Greens got 4.9% (15,123), resulting in NO MSPs.
Why did the SNP get no regional MSPs?
For the regional vote – each seat is awarded in a round of calculations. The twist is, the winner of the first list seat in each region isn’t necessarily the party with the most votes in that region. That’s because each party’s regional vote is divided by [the number of seats they’ve already won +1].
So, in the case of the SNP, in North East Scotland, where they won 9 constituencies, their regional total was divided by 9+1=10, resulting in an effective total of 13,709 (13,708.6).
The Conservatives won 1 constituency seat so their regional total was divided by 1+1=2, resulting in an effective total of 42,924.
Now we can see that people giving both their constituency and regional votes to the SNP was very inefficient in gaining an pro-indy majority. And the question under debate is whether there’s a better way.
Let’s assume there was a new pro-Indy party. Let’s call it “Pro-Indy”. What would have happened in North East Scotland in 2016, if even 25% of the regional SNP vote had switched to Pro-Indy? Well Pro-Indy would have 34,272 (34,271.5) votes.
The SNP regional vote would have fallen to 102,814 but it makes no difference – they didn’t get any regional MSPs anyway!
So how would the seats for parties have worked out? In the calculations, seats already won are taken into account.
Tories, with an effective total of 42,924 (85,848/2), take the first regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 85,848 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 28,616.
Labour, with a total of 38,791, take the second regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 38,791 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 19,396 (19,395.5).
The third regional seat goes to Pro-Indy with their 34,272. Their regional vote then becomes 34,272 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 17,136.
The fourth regional seat goes to the Tories with their 28,616. Their regional vote then becomes 85,848 divided by 3+1 (4), giving them 21,462.
The fifth regional seat goes to the Tories with their 21,462. Their regional vote then becomes 85,848 divided by 4+1 (5), giving them 17,170 (17,169.6).
The sixth regional seat goes to Labour with their 19,396. Their regional vote then becomes 38,791 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 12,930 (12,930.33repeat).
The seventh (and last) regional seat goes to the Lib-Dems with their 18,444.
So the final total is,
Tories – 3 (-1)
Labour – 2 (no change)
Pro-Indy – 1 (+1)
Lib-Dem – 1 (no change).
So, Pro-Indy has taken a Tory scalp…
At 40% of the SNP regional vote swinging behind Pro-Indy, we would have had this scenario.
The SNP regional vote would have fallen to 82,252 but it makes no difference – they didn’t get any regional MSPs anyway! The effective SNP regional vote ends up as 8,225 (88,252/10).
The Pro-Indy vote would then have been 54,834.
Pro-Indy, with a total of 54,384, take the first regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 54,834 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 27,417.
Tories, with an effective total of 42,924, take the second regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 85,848 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 28,616.
Labour, with a total of 38,791, take the third regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 38,791 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 19,396 (19,395.5).
The fourth regional seat goes to the Tories with their 28,616. Their regional vote then becomes 85,848 divided by 3+1 (4), giving them 21,462.
The fifth regional seat goes to Pro-Indy, with a total of 27,417. Their regional total then becomes 54,834 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 18,278.
The sixth regional seat goes to the Tories with their 21,462. Their regional vote then becomes 85,848 divided by 4+1 (5), giving them 17,170 (17,169.6).
The seventh (and last) regional seat goes to the Lib-Dems with their 18,444.
So the final total is,
Tories – 3 (-1)
Pro-Indy – 2 (+2)
Labour – 1 (-1)
Lib-Dem – 1 (no change).
And we’ve lost 1 Tory and 1 Labour.
One of the reasons for using this system in the first place, I think, was to confuse voters, who were used to First Past The Post.
I have, so far, crunched the numbers from 2016 for Mid Scotland and Fife and Central Scotland, which you will find below.
I intend to work out the other regions in the next few days
Mid Scotland and Fife.
Quick summary…
2016 actual result in the regional vote:-
Tories 4 MSPs
Labour 2 MSPs
Green 1 MSP
2016, if 25% of SNP regional votes had gone to a Pro-Indy party:-
Tories – 4
Labour – 2
Pro-Indy – 1
Lost 1 Green
2016, if 40% of SNP regional votes had gone to a Pro-Indy party:-
Tories – 3
Pro-Indy – 2
Labour – 2
And we’ve lost 1 Tory and 1 Green.
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In the 2016 CONSTITUENCY vote, the SNP won 8 out of 9 seats. The 9th was a Lib-Dem gain from the SNP in NE Fife.
In the REGIONAL vote, the SNP had 41.3% (120,128) of the votes, which resulted in NO SNP MSPs for the region.
The Tories had 25.2% (73,293) of the votes, resulting in 4 regional MSPs.
Labour had 17.6% (51,373), resulting in 2 MSPs.
Lib-Dems had 7.0% (20,401), resulting in no MSPs.
Greens got 6.1% (17,860), resulting in 1 MSP.
Why did the SNP get no regional MSPs?
For the regional vote – each seat is awarded in a round of calculations. The twist is, the winner of the first list seat in each region isn’t necessarily the party with the most votes in that region. That’s because each party’s regional vote is divided by [the number of seats they’ve already won +1].
So, in the case of the SNP, in Mid Scotland and Fife, where they won 8 constituencies, their regional total was divided by 8+1=9, resulting in an effective total of 13,348 (13,347.555r).
The Lib-Dems won 1 constituency seat so their regional total was divided by 1+1=2, resulting in an effective total of 10,201 (10,200.5).
Let’s assume there was a new pro-Indy party. Let’s call it “Pro-Indy”. What would have happened in Mid Scotland and Fife in 2016, if even 25% of the regional SNP vote had switched to Pro-Indy? Well Pro-Indy would have 30,032 votes.
The SNP regional vote would have fallen to 90,096 but it makes no difference – they didn’t get any regional MSPs anyway!
So how would the seats for parties have worked out? In the calculations, seats already won are taken into account.
The Lib-Dems vote, 20,401, would be immediately reduced by 1+1 (2) = 10,201 (10, 200.5) because they won a constituency seat.
Tories, with a total of 73,293, take the first regional seat for Murdo Fraser. Their regional total then becomes 73,293 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 36,647 (36,646.5).
Labour, with a total of 51,373, take the second regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 51,373 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 25,687 (25,686.5).
The third regional seat goes to the Tories (Liz Smith) with their 36,647. Their regional vote then becomes 73,293 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 24,431.
The fourth regional seat goes to Pro-Indy with their 30,032. Their regional vote then becomes 30,032 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 15,016.
The fifth regional seat goes to Labour, with a total of 25,687. Their regional total then becomes 51,373 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 17,124 (17,124.33r).
The sixth regional seat goes to the Tories with their 24,431. Their regional vote then becomes 73,293 divided by 3+1 (4), giving them 18,323 (18,323.25).
The seventh (and last) regional seat goes to the Tories with their 18,323.
So the final total is,
Tories – 4(n/c)
Pro-Indy – 1 (+1)
Labour – 2 (n/c)
Lib-Dem – 0 (n/c).
And we’ve lost 1 Green.
At 40% of the SNP regional vote swinging behind Pro-Indy, we would have had this scenario. The SNP regional vote would have fallen to 72,077 but it makes no difference – they didn’t get any regional MSPs anyway! The effective SNP regional vote ends up as 8,009 (8,008.55r) – 72,077/8+1=9. The Pro-Indy vote would then have been 48,051.
Tories, with a total of 73,293, take the first regional seat for Murdo Fraser. Their regional total then becomes 73,293 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 36,647 (36,646.5).
Labour, with a total of 51,373, take the second regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 51,373 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 25,687 (25,686.5).
The third regional seat goes to Pro-Indy with their 48,051. Their regional vote then becomes 48,051 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 24,026 (24,025.5).
The fourth regional seat goes to the Tories (Liz Smith) with their 36,647. Their regional vote then becomes 73,293 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 24,431.
The fifth regional seat goes to Labour, with a total of 25,687. Their regional total then becomes 51,373 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 17,124 (17,124.33r).
The sixth regional seat goes to the Tories with their 24,431. Their regional vote then becomes 73,293 divided by 3+1 (4), giving them 18,323 (18,323.25).
The seventh (and last) regional seat goes to Pro-Indy with their 24,026 (24,025.5).
So the final total is,
Tories – 3 (-1)
Pro-Indy – 2 (+2)
Labour – 2 (n/c)
And we’ve lost 1 Tory and 1 Green.
Central Scotland.
Quick summary…
2016 actual result in the regional vote:-
Labour 4 MSPs
Tories 3 MSPs
2016, if 25% of SNP regional votes had gone to a Pro-Indy party:-
Labour – 4
Tories – 2
Pro-Indy – 1
And we’ve lost one Tory.
2016, if 40% of SNP regional votes had gone to a Pro-Indy party:-
Labour – 3
Tories – 2
Pro-Indy – 2
And we’ve lost one Tory and 1 Labour.
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In the 2016 CONSTITUENCY vote, the SNP won all 9 seats.
In the REGIONAL vote, the SNP had 47.7% (129,082) of the votes, which resulted in NO SNP MSPs for the region.
Labour had 24.8% (67,103), resulting in 4 MSPs.
The Tories had 16.1% (43,602), resulting in 3 MSPs.
Greens got 4.7% (12,722), resulting in no MSPs.
Why did the SNP get no regional MSPs?
The SNP’s regional vote, 129,082, was immediately divided by the number of seats they had already won +1, i.e. 9+1=10, giving them an effective regional vote amounting to 12,908.
Let’s assume there was a new pro-Indy party. Let’s call it “Pro-Indy”. What would have happened in Central Scotland in 2016, if even 25% of the regional SNP vote had switched to Pro-Indy? Well Pro-Indy would have 32,271 (32,270.5) votes.
The SNP regional vote would have fallen to 96,811 but it makes no difference – they didn’t get any regional MSPs anyway!
So how would the seats for parties have worked out? In the calculations, seats already won are taken into account.
Labour, with a total of 67,103, take the first regional seat (Richard Leonard). Their regional vote then becomes 67,103 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 33,552 (33,551.5).
Tories, with a total of 43,602, take the second regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 43,602 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 21,801.
Labour, with a total of 33,552, take the third regional seat (Monica Lennon). Their regional vote then becomes 67,103 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 22,551.
The fourth regional seat goes to Pro-Indy with their 32,271. Their regional vote then becomes 32,271 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 16,136 (16,135.5).
Labour, with a total of 22,551, take the fifth regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 67,103 divided by 3+1 (4), giving them 16,776 (16,775.75).
Tories, with a total of 21,801, take the sixth regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 43,602 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 14,534.
The seventh (and last) regional seat goes to Labour with their 16,776
So the final total is,
Labour – 4 (n/c)
Tories – 2 (-1)
Pro-Indy – 1 (+1)
At 40% of the SNP regional vote swinging behind Pro-Indy, we would have had this scenario. The SNP regional vote would have fallen to 77,449 but it makes no difference – they didn’t get any regional MSPs anyway! The effective SNP regional vote ends up as 7,745 (7,749.9). The Pro-Indy vote would then have been 51,633 (51,632.8).
Labour, with a total of 67,103, take the first regional seat (Richard Leonard). Their regional vote then becomes 67,103 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 33,552 (33,551.5).
Pro-Indy, with a total of 51,633, take the second regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 51,633 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 25,817 (25,816.5).
Tories, with a total of 43,602, take the third regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 43,602 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 21,801.
Labour, with a total of 33,552, take the fourth regional seat (Monica Lennon). Their regional vote then becomes 67,103 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 22,551.
Pro-Indy, with a total of 25,817, take the fifth regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 51,633 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 17,211.
Labour, with a total of 22,551, take the sixth regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 67,103 divided by 3+1 (4), giving them 16,776 (16,775.75).
The seventh (and last) regional seat goes to the Tories with their 21,801.
So the final total is,
Labour – 3 (-1)
Tories – 2 (-1)
Pro-Indy – 2 (+2)
And we’ve lost 1 Tory and 1 Labour.
The latest Pro-Indy party is talking about winning 24 regional seats. Assuming they didn’t stand in the two regions where the SNP have their four regional MSPs, that leaves six regions for 24 seats or 4 per region.
What percentage shift of SNP to Pro-Indy would be needed to win 4 seats? What would have happened at 100% shift in Central Scotland in 2016?
Pro-Indy, with a total of 129,082, take the first regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 129,082 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 64,541.
Labour, with a total of 67,103, take the second regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 67,103 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 33,552 (33,551.5).
Pro-Indy, with a total of 64,541, take the third regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 129,082 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 43,027 (43,027.33r).
Tories, with a total of 43,602, take the fourth regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 43,602 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 21,801.
Pro-Indy, with a total of 43,027, take the fifth regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 129,082 divided by 3+1 (4), giving them 32,271 (32,270.5).
Labour, with a total of 33,552, take the sixth regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 67,103 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 33,552 (33,551.5).
The seventh (and last) regional seat goes to Pro-Indy with their 32,271.
Pro-Indy – 4
Labour – 2
Tories – 1
What about 90%?
Pro-Indy, with a total of 116,174, take the first regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 116,174 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 58,087.
Labour, with a total of 67,103, take the second regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 67,103 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 33,552 (33,551.5).
Pro-Indy, with a total of 58,087, take the third regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 116,174 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 38,725.
Tories, with a total of 43,602, take the fourth regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 43,602 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 21,801.
Pro-Indy, with a total of 38,725, take the fifth regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 116,174 divided by 3+1 (4), giving them 29,043.
Labour, with a total of 33,552, take the sixth regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 67,103 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 33,552 (33,551.5).
The seventh (and last) regional seat goes to Pro-Indy with their 29,043.
Pro-Indy – 4
Labour – 2
Tories – 1
80%?
Pro-Indy, with a total of 103,266, take the first regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 103,266 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 51,633.
Labour, with a total of 67,103, take the second regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 67,103 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 33,552 (33,551.5).
Pro-Indy, with a total of 51,633, take the third regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 103,266 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 34,421.
Tories, with a total of 43,602, take the fourth regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 43,602 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 21,801.
Pro-Indy, with a total of 34,421, take the fifth regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 103,266 divided by 3+1 (4), giving them 25,816.
Labour, with a total of 33,552, take the sixth regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 67,103 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 23,701.
The seventh (and last) regional seat goes to Pro-Indy with their 25,816.
Pro-Indy – 4
Labour – 2
Tories – 1
70%?
Pro-Indy, with a total of 90,357, take the first regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 90,357 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 45,179.
Labour, with a total of 67,103, take the second regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 67,103 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 33,552 (33,551.5).
Pro-Indy, with a total of 45,179, take the third regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 90,357 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 30,119.
Tories, with a total of 43,602, take the fourth regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 43,602 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 21,801.
Labour, with a total of 33,552, take the fifth regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 67,103 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 23,701.
Pro-Indy, with a total of 30,119, take the sixth regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 90,357 divided by 3+1 (4), giving them 22,589.
The seventh (and last) regional seat goes to Labour with their 23,701.
Pro-Indy – 3
Labour – 3
Tories – 1
I’ve just completed the wurky-out for the Glasgow region.
Glasgow.
Quick summary…
2016 actual result in the regional vote:-
Labour 4 MSPs
Tories 2 MSPs
Greens 1 MSP
2016, if 25% of SNP regional votes had gone to a Pro-Indy party:-
Labour – 4 (n/c)
Greens -1 (n/c)
Tories – 1 (-1)
Pro-Indy – 1 (+1)
And we’ve lost one Tory.
2016, if 40% of SNP regional votes had gone to a Pro-Indy party:-
Labour – 3 (-1)
Pro-Indy – 2 (+2)
Greens -1 (n/c)
Tories – 1 (-1)
And we’ve lost one Tory and 1 Labour.
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In the 2016 CONSTITUENCY vote, the SNP won all 9 seats.
In the REGIONAL vote, the SNP had 44.8% (111,101) of the votes, which resulted in NO SNP MSPs for the region.
Labour had 23.8% (59,151), resulting in 4 MSPs.
The Tories had 11.9% (29,533), resulting in 2 MSPs.
Greens got 9.4% (23,398), resulting in 1 MSP.
Why did the SNP get no regional MSPs?
The SNP’s regional vote, 111,101, was immediately divided by the number of seats they had already won +1, i.e. 9+1=10, giving them an effective regional vote amounting to 11,110.
Let’s assume there was a new pro-Indy party. Let’s call it “Pro-Indy”. What would have happened in Glasgow in 2016, if even 25% of the regional SNP vote had switched to Pro-Indy? Well Pro-Indy would have 27,775 votes.
The SNP regional vote would have fallen to 83,326 but it makes no difference – they didn’t get any regional MSPs anyway!
So how would the seats for parties have worked out? In the calculations, seats already won are taken into account.
Labour, with a total of 59,151, take the first regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 59,151 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 29,576 (29,575.5).
Labour, with a total of 29,576, take the second regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 59,151 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 19,717.
The third regional seat goes to the Tories with their 29,533. Their regional vote then becomes 29,533 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 14,767 (14,766.5).
The fourth regional seat goes to Pro-Indy with their 27,775. Their regional vote then becomes 27,775 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 13,888 (13,887.5).
Greens, with a total of 23,398, take the fifth regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 23,398 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 11,699.
Labour, with a total of 19,717, take the sixth regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 59,151 divided by 3+1 (4), giving them 14,788 (14,787.75).
The seventh (and last) regional seat goes to Labour with their 14,788.
So the final total is,
Labour – 4 (n/c)
Greens -1 (n/c)
Tories – 1 (-1)
Pro-Indy – 1 (+1)
At 40% of the SNP regional vote swinging behind Pro-Indy, we would have had this scenario. The SNP regional vote would have fallen to 66,661 but it makes no difference – they didn’t get any regional MSPs anyway! The effective SNP regional vote ends up as 6,666. The Pro-Indy vote would then have been 44,440.
So how would the seats for parties have worked out? In the calculations, seats already won are taken into account.
Labour, with a total of 59,151, take the first regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 59,151 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 29,576 (29,575.5).
Pro-Indy, with a total of 44,440, take the second regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 44,440 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 22,220.
Labour, with a total of 29,576, take the third regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 59,151 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 19,717.
The fourth regional seat goes to the Tories with their 29,533. Their regional vote then becomes 29,533 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 14,767 (14,766.5).
Greens, with a total of 23,398, take the fifth regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 23,398 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 11,699.
Pro-Indy, with a total of 22,220, take the sixth regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 59,151 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 14,813r.
The seventh (and last) regional seat goes to Labour with their 19,717.
So the final total is,
Labour – 3 (-1)
Pro-Indy – 2 (+2)
Greens -1 (n/c)
Tories – 1 (-1)
And we’ve lost 1 Tory and 1 Labour.
What’s the minimum transfer of votes from SNP to Pro-Indy that would have been required in Glasgow to guarantee 1 Pro-indy seat?
Well, from my figures for 25% transfer, Pro-Indy would have to have garnered around 14% of the SNP vote (rough working) to gain 1 seat – but it would be a close-run thing.
Waste of time – the real world doesn’t work like that.
It’s not the real world – they are HYPOTHETICAL examples of what could have happened in 2016, to demonstrate that voting for a Pro-Indy party, in most of the regions, wouldn’t have impinged on the number of seats the SNP gained, in the regional vote.
Pointless exercise – results from one election are nothing to do wth the next.
So, what do you see happening at the next Holyrood election, whenever, between now and May 2021?
OK, I’ve now completed the hypothesis for LOTHIAN. What would have happened in 2016 if a SINGLE Pro-Indy party had stood for election in the region.
Lothian.
Quick summary…
2016 actual result in the regional vote:-
Tories 3 MSPs
Labour 2 MSPs
Green 2 MSP
Lib-Dem – 0
2016, if 25% of SNP regional votes had gone to a Pro-Indy party:-
Tories – 3
Labour – 2
Green – 1
Pro-Indy – 1
Lib-Dem – 0
Lost 1 Green.
2016, if 40% of SNP regional votes had gone to a Pro-Indy party:-
Tories – 2
Pro-Indy – 2
Labour – 2
Greens -1
Lib-Dem – 0
And we’ve lost 1 Tory and, probably Andy Wightman (Green).
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In the 2016 CONSTITUENCY vote, the SNP won 6 out of 9 seats. Tories, Labour and Lib-Dems had 1 each.
In the REGIONAL vote, the SNP had 36.2% (118,546) of the votes, which resulted in NO SNP MSPs for the region.
The Tories had 22.9% (74,972) of the votes, resulting in 3 regional MSPs.
Labour had 20.8% (67,991), resulting in 2 MSPs.
Greens got 10.6% (34,551), resulting in 2 MSPs.
Why did the SNP get no regional MSPs?
For the regional vote – each seat is awarded in a round of calculations. The twist is, the winner of the first list seat in each region isn’t necessarily the party with the most votes in that region. That’s because each party’s regional vote is divided by [the number of seats they’ve already won +1].
So, in the case of the SNP, in Lothian, where they won 6 constituencies, their regional total was divided by 6+1=7, resulting in an effective total of 16,935.
The Tories won 1 constituency seat so their regional total was divided by 1+1=2, resulting in an effective total of 37,486.
Labour won 1 constituency seat so their regional total was divided by 1+1=2, resulting in an effective total of 33,996 (33,995.5).
The Lib-Dems won 1 constituency seat. There is no info on their votes for the region.
Let’s assume there was a new pro-Indy party. Let’s call it “Pro-Indy”. What would have happened in Lothian in 2016, if even 25% of the regional SNP vote had switched to Pro-Indy? Well Pro-Indy would have had 29,637 (29,636.5) votes.
The SNP regional vote would have fallen to 88,909 but it makes no difference – they didn’t get any regional MSPs anyway!
So how would the seats for parties have worked out? In the calculations, seats already won are taken into account.
Tories, with an effective total of 37,486, take the first regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 74,972 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 24,991 (24,990.6r).
Greens, with a total of 34,551, take the second regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 34,551 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 17,276 (17,275.5).
Labour, with a total of 33,996, take the third regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 67,991 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 22,664 (22,663.6r).
The fourth regional seat goes to Pro-Indy with their 29,637. Their regional vote then becomes 29,637 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 14,819 (14,818.5).
The fifth regional seat goes to the Tories with their 24,991. Their regional vote then becomes 74,972 divided by 3+1 (4), giving them 18,743.
Labour, with a total of 22,664, take the sixth regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 67,991 divided by 3+1 (4), giving them 16,998 (16,997.75).
The seventh (and last) regional seat goes to the Tories with their 18,743.
So the final total is,
Tories – 3(n/c)
Labour – 2 (n/c)
Pro-Indy – 1 (+1)
Greens -1 (-1)
Lib-Dem – 0 (n/c).
And we’ve lost 1 Green.
At 40% of the SNP regional vote swinging behind Pro-Indy, we would have had this scenario. The SNP regional vote would have fallen to 71,128 but it makes no difference – they didn’t get any regional MSPs anyway!
The effective SNP regional vote ends up as 10,161 (10,161.143) – 71,128/6+1=7. The Pro-Indy vote would then have been 47,418 (47,418.4).
Pro-Indy, with a total of 47,418, take the first regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 47,418 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 23,709.
Tories, with an effective total of 37,486, take the second regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 74,972 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 24,991 (24,990.6r).
Greens, with a total of 34,551, take the third regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 34,551 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 17,276 (17,275.5).
Labour, with a total of 33,996, take the fourth regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 67,991 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 22,664 (22,663.6r).
The fifth regional seat goes to the Tories with their 24,991. Their regional vote then becomes 74,972 divided by 3+1 (4), giving them 18,743.
The sixth regional seat goes to Pro-Indy with their 23,709. Their regional vote then becomes 47,418 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 15,806.
The seventh (and last) regional seat goes to Labour with their 22,664.
So the final total is,
Tories – 2(-1)
Pro-Indy – 2 (+2)
Labour – 2 (n/c)
Greens -1 (-1)
Lib-Dem – 0 (n/c).
And we’ve lost 1 Tory and, probably, Andy Wightman (Green).
What’s the minimum transfer of votes from SNP to Pro-Indy that would have been required in Lothian to guarantee 1 Pro-indy seat?
Well, from my figures for 25% transfer, Pro-Indy would have to have garnered around 15% of the SNP vote (rough working) to gain 1 seat – but it would be a close-run thing.
Here’s how the regional seats were actually allocated.
Tories, with an effective total of 37,486, take the first regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 74,972 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 24,991 (24,990.6r).
Greens, with a total of 34,551, take the second regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 34,551 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 17,276 (17,275.5).
Labour, with an effective total of 33,996, take the third regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 67,991 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 22,664 (22,663.6r).
The fourth regional seat goes to the Tories with their 24,991. Their regional vote then becomes 74,972 divided by 3+1 (4), giving them 18,743.
Labour, with a total of 22,664, take the fifth regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 67,991 divided by 3+1 (4), giving them 16,998 (16,997.75).
The Tories, with a total of 18,743, take the sixth regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 74,972 divided by 4+1 (5), giving them 14,994 (14,994.4).
The seventh (and last) regional seat goes to the Greens with their 17,276.
A Pro-Indy party would have to have taken 17,277 votes from the SNP to have won the last regional seat, replacing the Green. That is 14.57% of the SNP vote or 5.8% of the total regional vote.
I’ve now completed the hypothesis for West Scotland. What would have happened in 2016 if a SINGLE Pro-Indy party had stood for election in the region?
(I’ve rechecked the figures 4 times and found a mistake every time. I think this version is correct but if you spot a mistake in the numbers, let me know.)
West Scotland.
Quick summary…
2016 actual result in the regional vote:-
Labour 3 MSPs
Tories 3 MSPs
Greens 1 MSP
2016, if 25% of SNP regional votes had gone to a Pro-Indy party:-
Labour – 3 (n/c)
Tories – 3 (n/c)
Pro-Indy – 1 (+1)
Greens -0 (-1)
And we’ve lost one Green.
2016, if 40% of SNP regional votes had gone to a Pro-Indy party:-
Labour – 3 (n/c)
Pro-Indy – 2 (+2)
Tories – 2 (-1)
Greens – 0 (-1)
And we’ve lost one Tory and 1 Green.
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In the 2016 CONSTITUENCY vote, the SNP won 8 out of 10 seats. Tories took 1 seat (Eastwood – J. Carlaw) from Labour. Labour held Dumbarton (J. Baillie).
In the REGIONAL vote, the SNP had 42.2% (135,827) of the votes, which resulted in NO SNP MSPs for the region.
Labour had 22.5% (72,544), resulting in 3 MSPs.
The Tories had 22.2% (71,528), resulting in 3 MSPs.
Greens got 5.3% (17,218), resulting in 1 MSP.
Labour regional vote, because they won one constituency seat, is divided by the number of seats they had already won +1, i.e. 1+1=2, giving them an effective regional vote amounting to 36,272.
Tories regional vote, because they won one constituency seat, is divided by the number of seats they had already won +1, i.e. 1+1=2, giving them an effective regional vote amounting to 35,764.
Why did the SNP get no regional MSPs?
The SNP’s regional vote, 135,827, was immediately divided by the number of seats they had already won +1, i.e. 8+1=9, giving them an effective regional vote amounting to 15,092.
Let’s assume there was a new pro-Indy party. Let’s call it “Pro-Indy”. What would have happened in West Scotland in 2016, if even 25% of the regional SNP vote had switched to Pro-Indy? Well Pro-Indy would have 33,957 votes.
The SNP regional vote would have fallen to 101,870 but it makes no difference – they didn’t get any regional MSPs anyway!
So how would the seats for parties have worked out? In the calculations, seats already won are taken into account.
Labour, with a total of 36,272, take the first regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 72,544 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 24,181.
The second regional seat goes to the Tories with their 35,764. Their regional vote then becomes 71,528 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 23,843.
The third regional seat goes to Pro-Indy with their 33,957. Their regional vote then becomes 33,957 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 16,979 (16,978.5).
Labour, with a total of 24,181, take the fourth regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 72,544 divided by 3+1 (4), giving them 18,136.
Tories, with a total of 23,843, take the fifth regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 71,528 divided by 3+1 (4), giving them 17,882.
The sixth regional seat goes to Labour with their 18,136. Their regional vote then becomes 72,544 divided by 4+1 (5), giving them 14,529.
The seventh (and last) regional seat goes to the Tories with their 17,882.
So the final total is,
Labour – 3 (n/c)
Tories – 3 (n/c)
Pro-Indy – 1 (+1)
Greens – 0 (-1)
We’ve lost 1 Green.
At 40% of the SNP regional vote swinging behind Pro-Indy, we would have had this scenario. The SNP regional vote would have fallen to 81,496 but it makes no difference – they didn’t get any regional MSPs anyway! The effective SNP regional vote ends up as 9,055. The Pro-Indy vote would then have been 54,331.
So how would the seats for parties have worked out? In the calculations, seats already won are taken into account.
Pro-Indy, with a total of 54,331, take the first regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 54,331 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 27,166.
The second regional seat goes to Labour, with their 36,272. Their regional vote then becomes 72,544 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 24,181.
The third regional seat goes to the Tories with their 35,764. Their regional vote then becomes 71,528 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 23,843.
The fourth regional seat goes to Pro-Indy with their 27,166. Their regional vote then becomes 54,331 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 18,110.
The fifth regional seat goes to Labour with their 24,181. Their regional vote then becomes 72,544 divided by 3+1 (4), giving them 18,136.
The sixth regional seat goes to the Tories with their 23,843. Their regional vote then becomes 71,528 divided by 3+1 (4), giving them 17,882.
The seventh (and last) regional seat goes to Labour, with their 18,136.
So the final total is,
Labour – 3 (n/c)
Pro-Indy – 2 (+2)
Tories – 2 (-1)
Greens -0 (-1)
We’ve lost 1 Tory and 1 Green – and Pro-Indy missed taking the last seat by 27 votes.
What’s the minimum transfer of votes from SNP to Pro-Indy that would have been required in Lothian to guarantee 1 Pro-indy seat?
Here’s how the regional seats were actually allocated.
The first regional seat goes to Labour, with their 36,272. Their regional vote then becomes 72,544 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 24,181.
The second regional seat goes to the Tories with their 35,764. Their regional vote then becomes 71,528 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 23,843.
Labour, with an effective total of 24,181, take the third regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 72,544 divided by 3+1 (4), giving them 18,136.
The fourth regional seat goes to the Tories with their 23,843. Their regional vote then becomes 71,528 divided by 3+1 (4), giving them 17,882.
The fifth regional seat goes to Labour with their 18,136. Their regional vote then becomes 72,544 divided by 4+1 (5), giving them 14,509.
The Tories, with a total of 17,882, take the sixth regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 71,528 divided by 4+1 (5), giving them 14,306.
The seventh (and last) regional seat goes to the Greens with their 17,218.
A Pro-Indy party would have to have taken 17,219 votes from the SNP to have won the last regional seat, replacing the Green. That is 12.7% of the SNP vote or 5.8% of the total regional vote.
Just making a comment in the sanctuary of the Quarantine part of WOS where no response is likely or needed but gives me an opportunity to vent how frustrated, angry and sad I feel at the current situation within Scotland.
Currently there is a cess pit of corruption, lies, duplicity and gross incompetence being played out by politicians within the UK.
Confined by the restrictions imposed by this virus many Pro Indy Scots are unable to group en masse to voice their anger , frustration and passion for some kind of action to be taken to begin the process for campaigning for independence.
Social media is awash with both indignation and humour and as some write comments and are clearly enraged, some write with wit, which is a welcome respite, and some write with incredulity at what is being played out.
Mere mortals meanwhile are swamped with constant ever changing information , news, opinions and are left feeling despair because there seems no solution and no effort being applied to resolve or change anything.
The road to independence is blocked it seems and not just by those we assumed were the ones applying barriers but incredibly by some of those on our side.
Without a plan from those we elect then we have no hope. Where there is a lack of will from those we elect there is also seemingly no hope.
The lack of action is demoralising and the words being used to placate us are become tiresome and meaningless.
If not now then when.
Who is really speaking for Scotland. Words that are being used as threats are not being backed up by any plan of action and it is not just us who are aware of this but those whom we threaten are aware of this too.
So we in Scotland are in status quo territory seemingly in an eternal limbo.
A succession of mandates given to our government who seem to have willingly conceded to the opposition to enable them, the opposition, to eventually be able to dictate the terms, time and ultimately game the whole the process to their advantage and to Scots detriment……meanwhile mere mortals such as I are given mere crumbs of empty rhetoric that is becoming tired and jaded.
I no longer add comments onto the MT because I am so tired and disillusioned at the whole sh*tfest being played out on both sides of the border.
I am sick of being played, dictated to, conned and used.
As I get older and with each year that passes all I am doing is seeing my precious time being wasted on supporting and campaigning for something where the party I have voted for seems to be unbelievably withholding the progression of some movement to achieve the very thing they are meant to represent.
What is really sad is all of those who have campaigned and fought for Indy and who are now no longer with us.
It is not apathy that I feel just a real sense of despair and I know I am not alone.
I care not on jot for the media, politicians, celebrities or tired ex politicians input because I choose to ignore them as I have never been swayed by lies, misinformation and those who choose to speak to promote what is only beneficial to them while wilfully ignorant of what matters and is beneficial to me and mine.
It’s be nice to write this knowing it’s in a kinda of wilderness but still very respectful of this site and it’s owner enabling me to be able to do it.
Fitting it’s a comment in quarantine as seems to be a apt metaphor of where Scotland is just now.
@ me @ 1.52pm
” It’s be nice to write this knowing”
obvs should be ” It’s BEEN nice etc etc”
“It’s be” seems somewhat Yorkshire in speech…as in ‘What ‘be’ you doin ?”…..can’t have that now can we…. on a pro Scottish Indy site.
😉
Thing is though you never know who you might meet in here or what it might start – butterfly wings and hurricanes and all that
@ Jill Sharpe @ 5.59pm
🙂
I tend to have more of a ‘Wasp’ effect….when I comment a lot of people run away….Lol
Just read my comment above again and so many mistakes in it I’m glad it is confined to quarantine as I would be embarrassed if it was on MT as would expose me as a rambling idiot…my weak excuse is my heart is not in this anymore……Lol
Hope you are well Jill…..have a good day (if you drop in here again and see my comment to you)
In self imposed quarantine again.
Just checked prominent ‘liberal’ minded remainers on Twitter today….and so far NONE of them have noted/highlighted that a Tory MSP who resigned from Tory party has now defected to Farage’s new party The Reform party……and is their ‘New’ Scottish leader aka only (un) elected member who was originally also unelected under former party……
What possible reason for their collective lack of interest….well the obvious one is they just do not care a flying f*ck….our problem innit….irrespective of the fact they have been tweeting endlessly for the last 4 years plus about Farage and his accomplices as the real enemies of the people……
Even yon Ian Dunt who supposedly is some kinda editor at large of Politics.co….UK aka England……how “at large” does he go? …well obvs not as far as Scotland…..
Maybe they will all notice when they see a Reform Party MSP noted somewhere as having seat in Holyrood and then will need to check as to …How did that happen ?
Mind you we Scots need not feel ignored for long as I am sure that they will all pile in come next Indy ref….for sure…for sure…..will be strange/ironic/hypocritical for some of them to ‘come together’ as remainers and unite with the likes of Brexiteers such as Farage , Gove, Johnson and others that they, the remainers, have never stopped berating before and since 2016 EU Ref…..the division of Brexit will be healed by their uniting over their opposition to Scottish independence….Rule Britannia innit.
We are truly, us scots voters , on our own …and it would be best if we deploy the three monkeys strategy when it all kicks off….as it will…..i.e. when fingers are eventually pulled out…politically I mean not actual fingers being pulled out….L..O…f**king…L…..
Congratulations on the first ‘Quarantine’ comment of 2021!
@ Brian Doonthetoon @ 5.56pm
Hi Brian ……the first yes…. but not the last .. 😉
Have a good evening
Thank you.
I still have to complete my hypothesis on what would have happened in 2016, if percentages of the SNP regional vote had switched to a ‘pro-indy’ party.
Haven’t yet done H&I and South Scotland, the two regions where the SNP achieved 1 and 3 MSPs, respectively.
See above from,
link to wingsoverscotland.com
and subsequent posts.
@ Brian Doonthetoon @ 6.16pm
Hi Brian….I read your previous posts on SNP and figures…excellent work.
Will look forward to your subsequent projections on other pro Indy party/s potential list seats….
BTW..noted Twitter a/c Brexit Shambles NOW mentioning Reform party in Scotland and Michelle Ballantyne…added onto their Twitter a/c after 6pm tonight….better late than NEVER…I await to see IF other uber Remainer a/c’s retweet this…..or leave well alone….as OUR problem….sorry meant OUR business….currently most of them today have deployed the three wise monkeys strategy to this particular story aka obvs non story to THEM doon sarf….L…O…f**king…L.
Also going to add that a lot of these uber Remainer ‘liberal’ minded Twitter a/c’s are mega absorbed with what’s happening in the USA just now…. as their Twitter a/c’s are AWASH with all things WASHington and Trump and naturally less interested in what is happening in…what they like to call…their own back yard aka the weak colony belonging to THEIR country…..
Their hatred of Farage is boundless but when he gets a foothold (temporarily) in the Scottish parliament they are seemingly uninterested…..mind you they claim to know what is best for Scots…..while oblivious to what is REALLY REALLY going on in Scottish politics……so who are the baddies ?
Well to paraphrase Animal farm…..”The Scots outside looked from ‘liberal’ minded Pro Remainer to Uber Brexiteer, and from Uber Brexiteer to ‘liberal’ minded Pro Remainer, and from ‘liberal’ minded Pro Remainer to Uber Brexiteer again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”……
Excellent work briandoonthetoon.
The woke and sturgeon must be bricking it. hope murrell is having porridge for breakfast – to acclimatize.
2021 Updates (when I have the time).
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How could Alba, standing only in the REGIONAL vote, affect the total number of pro-Indy MSPs in the Scottish Parliament? What was Sturgeon so afraid of? Was it that she wanted to keep Unionists in their seats or dreaded the idea of Alex Salmond at First Minister’s Questions?
Last summer, while furloughed, I worked out what would have happened in 2016 if 25% and 40% of the SNP regional vote had switched to a hypothetical pro-indy party. I did it for the 6 regions where the SNP won no seats.
(See above at this link – link to wingsoverscotland.com
I’ve recalculated for my own region, North East Scotland, using the actual results from the 2021 election..
Quick summary…
2021 actual result in the regional vote:-
Tories 4 MSPs
Labour 2 MSPs
Green 1 MSP
2021, if 25% of SNP regional votes had gone to a Pro-Indy party:-
Tories – 3 (-1)
Labour – 1 (-1)
Alba – 2 (+2)
Greens – 1 (+1).
Lib-Dems -0 (-1)
So, Alba has taken both a Tory and Labour scalp… and the Greens have punted the Lib-Dem.
2021, if 40% of SNP regional votes had gone to Alba:-
Tories – 3 (-1)
Alba – 3 (+3)
Labour – 1 (-1)
Lib-Dem – 0 (-1).
Green – 0
And, in gaining 3 pro-indy Alba MSPs, we’ve lost 1 Tory, 1 Lib-Dem and 1 Labour.
You can see how the figures were worked out below.
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Last summer, I also worked out, for one region, what would happen if 100% of SNP regional votes switched to another pro-indy party. I found out, by calculating for 100%, 90%, 80% and 70% that at somewhere between 70 and 80%, the pro-indy party would have won 4 regional seats and couldn’t improve on that, no matter how much of a bigger percentage switched.
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In the 2021 CONSTITUENCY vote, the SNP won 9 out of 10 seats. The 10th was a Tory hold in Aberdeenshire West.
In the REGIONAL vote, the SNP had 147,910 votes, which resulted in NO SNP MSPs for the region.
The Tories had 110,555 of the votes, resulting in 4 regional MSPs.
Labour had 41,062, resulting in 2 MSPs.
Greens got 22,735, resulting in 1 MSP.
Lib-Dems had 18,051, resulting in No MSPs.
Alba had 8,269, resulting in No MSPs.
Greens gained a seat from the Lib-Dems.
Why did the SNP get no regional MSPs?
For the regional vote – each seat is awarded in a round of calculations. The twist is, the winner of the first list seat in each region isn’t necessarily the party with the most votes in that region. That’s because each party’s regional vote is divided by [the number of seats they’ve already won +1].
So, in the case of the SNP, in North East Scotland, where they won 9 constituencies, their regional total was divided by 9+1=10, resulting in an effective total of 14,791.
The Conservatives won 1 constituency seat so their regional total was divided by 1+1=2, resulting in an effective total of 55,277.5.
Now we can see that people giving both their constituency and regional votes to the SNP was very inefficient in gaining an pro-indy majority. And the question under debate is whether there was a better way – and why Sturgeon didn’t want the ’supermajority’ that would have resulted..
What would have happened in North East Scotland in 2021, if even 25% of the regional SNP vote had switched to Alba? Well Alba would have 36,977.5 of the SNP votes. Add on the 8,269 that they got anyway and they have a total of 45,246.5.
The SNP regional vote would have fallen to 110,932.5 but it makes no difference – they didn’t get any regional MSPs anyway!
So how would the seats for parties have worked out? In the calculations, seats already won are taken into account.
Tories, with an effective total of 55,277.5, take the first regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 110,555 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 36,851.67.
The second regional seat goes to Alba with their 45,246.5. Their regional vote then becomes 45,246.5 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 22,623.25.
Labour, with a total of 41,062, take the third regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 41,062 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 20,531.
The fourth regional seat goes to the Tories with their 36,851. Their regional vote then becomes 110,555 divided by 3+1 (4), giving them 27,638.75.
The fifth regional seat goes to the Tories with their 27,638.75. Their regional vote then becomes 110,555 divided by 4+1 (5), giving them 22,111.
The sixth regional seat goes to Greens with their 22,735. Their regional vote then becomes 22,735 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 11367.5.
The seventh (and last) regional seat goes to Alba with their 22,623.25.
So the final total is,
Tories – 3 (-1)
Labour – 1 (-1)
Alba – 2 (+2)
Greens – 1 (+1).
Lib-Dems -0 (-1)
So, Alba has taken both a Tory and Labour scalp… and the Greens have punted the Lib-Dem.
At 40% of the SNP regional vote swinging behind Alba, we would have had this scenario. The SNP regional vote would have fallen to 88,746 but it makes no difference – they didn’t get any regional MSPs anyway! The effective SNP regional vote ends up as 8,874.6 (88,746/10). The Alba vote would then have been 59,164 + the 8,269 that they got anyway giving them a total of 67,433.
Alba, with a total of 67,433, take the first regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 67,433 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 33,716.5.
Tories, with an effective total of 55,277.5, take the second regional seat. Their regional total then becomes 110,555 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 36,851.67.
Labour, with a total of 41,062, take the third regional seat. Their regional vote then becomes 41,062 divided by 1+1 (2), giving them 20,531.
The fourth regional seat goes to the Tories with their 36,851.67. Their regional vote then becomes 110,555 divided by 3+1 (4), giving them 27,638.75.
The fifth regional seat goes to Alba, with a total of 33,716.5. Their regional total then becomes 67,433 divided by 2+1 (3), giving them 22,477.67.
The sixth regional seat goes to the Tories with their 27,638.75. Their regional vote then becomes 110,555 divided by 3+1 (5), giving them 22,111.
The seventh (and last) regional seat goes to Alba with their 22,477.67.
So the final total is,
Tories – 3 (-1)
Alba – 3 (+3)
Labour – 1 (-1)
Lib-Dem – 0 (-1).
Green – 0
And we’ve lost 1 Tory, 1 Lib-Dem and 1 Labour.
One of the reasons for using this system in the first place, I think, was to confuse voters, who were used to First Past The Post. As you can see above, the calculations can be perceived as “complicated”.
Ignore the above comment. I made an @r$e of it.
Tail between legs and apols for me recent random ramblings, I do mean well. Hopefully there will be good reasons for Wings to continue after November. Wings is the only show in town. Cheers for now.
It’s one step from the political jungle to the zoo:
link to youtube.com
Hi Prickly One.
Your comment didn’t appear until yesterday afternoon at 14:32.
What time does this place open?
It’s open 24/7 but not always occupied.
Brian Doonthetoon says:
7 November, 2022 at 3:09 pm
It’s open 24/7 but not always occupied.
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Perfick
Strange…
While having my lunch, I’ve just watched ‘The Darling Buds Of May’ series1 episode 5 ‘A Breath of French Air – Part 1’.
Tres perfick!
Just back from work (dayshift so won’t be posting during the night hours 😉 )
Begbie mode on / Awright, nae cunt leaves here till we find oot which cunt(s) broke the main thread commentting facility…
Aw Shite, hopes BDtt doesn’t notice superfluous “t” in “commenting”….
Brian Doonthetoon says:
7 November, 2022 at 4:18 pm
Strange…
While having my lunch, I’ve just watched ‘The Darling Buds Of May’ series1 episode 5 ‘A Breath of French Air – Part 1’.
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I’ve never watched a single episode. I only know Larkin, David Jason, Catherine Zeta Jones, and perfick from the papers of the day.
Period dramas have their place, specifically morning TV in the 70s and The Flashing Blade. They could have dubbed and edited that into Monarch of the Glen if they wanted, but I’m just guessing here as I’ve not seen it either. UK TV banal obsession with rewriting the same story in a futile attempt to prove that the water in Majorrca don’t taste like what it oughta, innit, or something that makes sense.
All those radio waves from all those channels…that’s a lot of electrical power. But we’re to blame for etc?
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Time we reawakened ‘Quarantine’.
Rev Stu created these repositories with a purpose in mind. It’s up to us to use them appropriately.
IE, stuff that doesn’t suit the main pages or ‘off-topic’.
Howzaboutit?
‘IE, stuff that doesn’t suit the main pages or ‘off-topic’
Good point BDDT, only a couple of downsides, one being that it’s hard to keep rigidly on the topic of the header post without straying and a bit like Chinese whispers, it is almost inevitable btl comments will eventually bear no resemblance to the original.
The second is that only a small number of ‘recent posts’ and ‘recent comments’, around 15, are listed, so any comment going into ‘Quarantine’ will very quickly be lost do just that!
However, if the Quarantine page was ‘pinned’ it could work very well for O/T comments.
An additional option for this page would be to use it to enable readers to ask questions or clarification on comments posted currently (or anything else), because not everyone is savvy to what’s going on WRT the skulduggery or modus operandi of top-level politics, and it would be a good place to find out and possibly encourage more readers to contribute.
A decent comment Ebok – missed by me until now, because I keep forgetting to reload ‘Quarantine’. MEA CULPA!
In the past week, there’s been mention of a possible ‘Friends of WOS’ get-together after Glasgow Green on 6th May.
I suggested The Clutha or Dows. Someone else suggested the West Brewery, adjacent to Glasgow Green.
My suggestions were based on the facts that The Clutha is ‘Yes-friendly’ (They sent pizzas to the WOS stall at a previous Glasgow Green rally) and Dows, because we have had get-togethers there previously and it’s near the railway stations and bus station for those travelling from outwith Glasgow.
Onnybuddy got onny input to the debate?
Brian – I’m not sure if I’ll be able to attend on May 6th, but if I do, I wouldn’t go to the Clutha. Too small, and with a very unpleasant atmosphere every time I’ve been there (just my opinion of course). Both Dows and West Brewery are nicer.
bdtt, Dows for me – dead handy for busses and stations.
crazycat says: I wouldn’t go to the Clutha. Too small, and with a very unpleasant atmosphere every time I’ve been there
What happened on those occasions? I always thought it is a very supportive venue?
Looking forward to a Wingers get the gether, not a fan of Dows though…
If Dows isn’t liked, there’s always The Counting House, which has been used for get-togethers in the past. Involves keeping an eye on seats being vacated so we can all move into the same area.
@ Yesbot
Hassle from other clients – might not have been a widespread experience, but I know other people who’ve stopped going there. It might be absolutely fine, of course, and it’s not up to me to decide what others do.
Nowhere is ideal, either for location or for the venue itself.
If they took time to think of Wingers by sending Pizza’s why would you consider anywhere other than the Clutha?
The Counting House is a Spoons, Neverspoons no cash for Tim Martin Uber Brexshiteer !
Clutha is okay reasonable prices and the food good, overspill into the Victoria Bar or the Beer Garden, friendly staff, nae flights of stairs tae the cludgie.
The Pot Still is’nae bad an’ the pies are great.
The Scotia is smashin’ but nae pies !
I wont be there SoS but as Lenny said Clutha supported the Wings stall & supported WoS with cash donations David & his brother are Wingers .
I think we should just choose The Clutha. There’s a regular bus from the bus stop up the road from it to Buchanan Bus Station.
Nothing formal – if Wingers are going for a pint or three after Glasgow Green, they’ll meet other Wingers in The Clutha.
Got my buses booked for the 6th May.
Arrive in Glasgow around 11.35. Kick my heels until 12, when the chipper at the corner of West George Street and Buchanan Street opens. Buy my fish supper and wander to George Square to eat it. Hopefully, not a dreich day.
Join march as it passes the square, then to Glasgow Green.
Bus home booked for 19.10 so, hopefully, time for a couple in The Clutha before catching a bus to Buchanan Bus Station. (Every 15 minutes or so, from Hamilton.)