We’re indebted to the alert reader who sent us a link to this last night:
If you don’t have time to sit through it all now, it’s an STV referendum debate – not about independence in 2014, but about devolution in 1997. In short, all the arguments and dire warnings we’re fed by Unionists now about independence were also deployed against devolution, which doesn’t in fact seem to have caused the sky to fall in.
It’s also interesting to note a BBC news story uncovered by National Collective this morning which reports a poll finding that “76% of businesses believe a double-yes vote in Thursday’s referendum would harm the climate for business in Scotland”.
While right-wing, conservative organisations like the CBI and FSB will doubtless never stop bleating about the terrible “uncertainty” of constitutional change, it’s good to see that there’s been at least some progress made in that field.
It’s come to our attention that despite all of our hard work transcribing interviews with Unionist politicians, some of our stupider readers still – incredibly – aren’t 100% clear on certain aspects of the policy alternatives the UK parties will be offering the Scottish electorate in hope of persuading them to vote No in 2014.
One such issue is Labour’s preliminary proposal to devolve income tax entirely to the Scottish Parliament, which is backed by Johann Lamont but strongly opposed by many of the party’s Westminster MPs.
Fortunately, an interview on last night’s Scotland Tonight with former Labour leader Gordon Brown eliminated any possible remaining doubts, with the sort of direct, straight-speaking approach for which the ex-Prime Minister was justly renowned.
The Guardian today reports the incredibly depressing news that “Labour voters [are] increasingly turning against the poor”, with growing numbers of the party’s supporters now blaming the victims of recession and austerity for their own plight.
Julia Unwin, chief executive of the anti-poverty Joseph Rowntree Foundation, is quoted in the piece saying “The stark findings of this report highlight the increasingly tough stance people are taking against people in poverty. We appear to be tough on those experiencing poverty, but not tough on its causes.”
How can such a horrific, callous scenario, with the supposed party of the downtrodden and voiceless abandoning those who need the most support, ever have come to pass?
When we’ve been asked on a couple of different occasions why we started Wings Over Scotland, we’ve always given the same reply – to ask (and thereby try to answer) the questions that the Scottish media was dismally failing to ask on our behalf. It would be hard to illustrate that failure with a better example than what happened yesterday.
We’re not even talking about the bog-standard factory-default Unionist bias that’s seen not a single newspaper today depicting the launch of “United With Labour” as a “split” in the anti-independence movement – after a year of leaping on every single policy difference or minor spat between members of the Yes campaign as evidence of “chaos” and “turmoil” – despite the news/comedy value of an organisation devoted to “unity” and “togetherness” breaking into splinter groups just months into its existence.
We refer to something much more fundamental – basic journalistic competence.
Sorry this post is a bit late, folks. We’ve been pretty stymied all morning trying to get a handle on the extraordinary, unmockable mendacity that’s being fed to the people of Scotland as we speak, which keeps crashing our powers of rational comprehension.
We quite often highlight the utterances of The Labour Party in Scotland (henceforth TLPiS) as examples of “blackwhite”, the Orwellian term for presenting the truth as the exact opposite of reality. But today must surely have set some sort of world record.
The Scottish media is full today of Gordon Brown’s latest attempted intervention in the independence debate. Scotland on Sunday and the Sunday Herald both report that the former Prime Minister will urge Scots to “ditch the Tories, not the Union” (as the original SoS headline put it before being changed online to the rather more sober “Brown urges Scots not to give up on UK”, presumably out of respect for the gentle sensibilities of the paper’s Conservative-leaning readership).
(We’d like to take a brief moment here to appreciate a couple of beautifully acidic, deadpan lines from the Herald’s piece, written by Paul Hutcheon. Our emphasis.)
“Brown, who led his party to defeat at the last General Election, will be the special guest at an event in Glasgow. Although Labour has a dominant role in the cross-party Better Together campaign, senior party sources last year pushed for a separation to convey Labour’s distinctive message.”
The substance of Brown’s argument, in so far as it can be said to have any, is founded on a lie that was comprehensively disproved on this very website well over a year ago – namely that “if Scottish Labour supporters vote to leave the UK it would mean abandoning colleagues in England to years of Tory rule”.
That proposition is demonstrably untrue (not to mention a remarkably defeatist assertion that Labour can’t now defeat the Tories in England, despite having done so in 1997, 2001 and 2005). But even if it wasn’t, what then?
If there’s one area where you really have to hand it to “Better Together”, it’s sheer shamelessness. Despite having been humiliatingly exposed for inflating attendance figures at their events by at least 100% twice on this site alone, to the great merriment of Yes campaigners, they just keep right on going without a hint of embarrassment.
We can’t help starting to wonder if this might all be one of those sort of “When I was going to St Ives…” trick riddle things. How many Darling Youth kids make 70?
Yesterday we were reading an engrossing article by Peter Kellner, the president of YouGov. It’s only available in PDF form as far as we can tell, and in terms of formatting it’s a bit of a trial to get through, but the information within is fascinating.
It’s a study of the difficulties faced by Labour in their attempt to win the 2015 election, and without wanting to spoil it for you, Kellner’s conclusion is that it’s going to be extremely difficult. That won’t be news to Wings Over Scotland readers, of course, but the depth of detail is well worth getting into if you’ve a head for that sort of thing.
We gleaned something different from the piece, though.
Andy Ellis on A matter of class: “@Hatey 2.01PM I’m with you mate on wondering what motivates the usual suspects in their all too frequent recourse to…” Dec 23, 16:04
Andy Ellis on A matter of class: “@Hatey 2.17pm So what’s your problem? I’m not sure we want to go there. If nothing else, you’d need more…” Dec 23, 15:47
James Cheyne on A matter of class: “Fearghas macFhionnlaigh, I also saw that snippet of news, And notable that both the civil Servants and the BBC have…” Dec 23, 15:32
Insider on A matter of class: “Andy, I wish you would start posting more regularly again ! You were one of the few posters on this…” Dec 23, 14:45
Hatey McHateface on A matter of class: “Just go all indigenous, nativist, Sovereign Scots on us, Confused, and refuse to acknowledge the alien, forced, cultural abomination of…” Dec 23, 14:25
Hatey McHateface on A matter of class: “But whit aboot the green shoots, Aidan? Ye hivnae conseedered the import o the green shoots! OFFS. Dinna tell me…” Dec 23, 14:20
Hatey McHateface on A matter of class: “You know what, Alf, “Porridge wogs” was a direct quote from willie’s post above. Tak it up wi him if…” Dec 23, 14:17
Hatey McHateface on A matter of class: ““centuries long proclivity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by arguing amongst ourselves” Too true, Andy. To which…” Dec 23, 14:01
Aidan on A matter of class: “I’d also point out Northcode that the word “Northcode” appears 63 times in this post. Now of course not all…” Dec 23, 13:56
Alf Baird on A matter of class: ““us deluded porridge wogs” Well, whit can we say aboot that! As postcolonial theory (Memmi) so often reminds us, such…” Dec 23, 13:45
Confused on A matter of class: “Looking forward – interesting world cup draw and puts indy within our grasp; let me explain – Scotland and the…” Dec 23, 13:45
Aidan on A matter of class: “Whilst we are on the subject of the reality check, I note that the relentless spamming about the UN approach…” Dec 23, 13:43
Confused on A matter of class: “a rewrite of christmas carol, a real horror story with the ghosts – christmas past will tell us of imperial…” Dec 23, 13:41
James Cheyne on A matter of class: “Should Scotland, If independent. Have a Monarchy? Or Some other head of Scotland, Or should it be the people as…” Dec 23, 13:33
Andy Ellis on A matter of class: “Sadly Hatey the days when Voltaire famously observed that “We look to Scotland for all our ideas of civilzation” are…” Dec 23, 13:30
Andy Ellis on A matter of class: “@Northcode 12.43pm It’s not just about length though bud: I’m sure you’ve been told that many times in your past.…” Dec 23, 13:15
Hatey McHateface on A matter of class: “Hechter, eh? Another new one. Is that the same Hechter that forms a sept of the Clan McFarlane? Haha, just…” Dec 23, 13:12
Northcode on A matter of class: “Here, it’s braw on here the day. We indigenous Scots in this place are being treated tae a rare pre-Christmas…” Dec 23, 13:00
The Flying Iron of Doom on A matter of class: “Captain Caveman says: 23 December, 2025 at 12:35 pm Just have to laugh at trolls having the bare arsed cheek…” Dec 23, 13:00
Hatey McHateface on A matter of class: “Mind the “green shoots” you were wittering oan aboot yesterday, Northy. Some muckle-clogged cant might dance all ower them. What…” Dec 23, 12:58
James Cheyne on A matter of class: “Gethin Chamberlain. The world has a planned craziness to it, set out to confuse the people and break down communities…” Dec 23, 12:57
Northcode on A matter of class: “Here, Ellis… thon wis a guid wee dance – although a wee bit oan the lang side fir my likin’…” Dec 23, 12:52
Hatey McHateface on A matter of class: “Hey, I enjoyed your post, Twat H! Consider yourself promoted from Twat H to Twat A for the day.” Dec 23, 12:52
Hatey McHateface on A matter of class: “Awww, Northy, so now you’re stealing my jokes. Sincerely, I’m flattered. Still though, I have to point out. Christmas never…” Dec 23, 12:48
Northcode on A matter of class: “I must say, Ellis… your paragraph etiquette is very good – excellent, in fact. It certainly makes your dancing, if…” Dec 23, 12:43
Hatey McHateface on A matter of class: “China’s strides in espionage and Intellectual Property theft have got them where they are today. President John Donald Trump has…” Dec 23, 12:40
Captain Caveman on A matter of class: “Just have to laugh at trolls having the bare arsed cheek to complain about the quality of BTL, whilst simultaneously…” Dec 23, 12:35
Alf Baird on A matter of class: “600 MPs of other national identities and ethnicities in Westminster force their laws (and culture, institutions etc) on Scotland. Which…” Dec 23, 12:31
Andy Ellis on A matter of class: “@Northcode 11.38am The issue for you and other indigenes Northcode is that despite the reams of stuff posted by the…” Dec 23, 12:16
Northcode on A matter of class: “It’s not often I’m wrong, but after checking it seems there is a pish word in the braw Scots leid:…” Dec 23, 12:11