A matter of class
Something very odd happened when the Sandie Peggie employment tribunal delivered its judgment – and it wasn’t just the made-up quotes and mangled law.
Call it institutional bias, ideological capture, or just the law doing its job, but what Employment Judge Sandy Kemp’s tribunal delivered was the most one-sided outcome since Butch and Sundance decided to come out shooting.
Every single member of the NHS Fife side was accepted as a credible witness. But Peggie and her team were cut down in a hail of negative conclusions. It seems worth spending a little time with the judgment to understand how this happened.
Peggie, a senior nurse, had been suspended for objecting to what the tribunal ruled was a male doctor, “Beth” Upton (who identifies as a woman) being in a changing room reserved for female staff.
Peggie won her claim of harassment against NHS Fife because, among other failings, they didn’t provide her with a single-sex changing room and because they made such a mess of trying to hang her out to dry for standing up for her rights.
On pretty much every other point the tribunal found against her. At the heart of it all was a simple question: who, out of a middle-class doctor and a working-class nurse, was most credible? It was definitely the doctor, the thoroughly middle-class tribunal decided.
Peggie had tried complaining to managers about Upton’s use of the women’s changing rooms at the Victoria Hospital in Fife but they just fobbed her off and told her to change in the toilets if she didn’t like it.
Matters came to a head on Christmas Eve 2023 when Peggie found Upton once again in the female changing rooms. She told him it was inappropriate. He stood his ground.
At this point, recollections vary. Peggie says she made her point in an encounter that lasted a couple of minutes. Upton says it was more like five or 10 minutes and she was very rude to him. The tribunal heard she reduced him to tears.
Many people would understand that Peggie was livid. She’d experienced heavy menstrual bleeding and gone to change only to find the man she’d complained about once again in the changing rooms.
The tribunal saw it differently. They thought she wanted a confrontation, a showdown. His evidence was so much better presented than hers. Upton was one of their own. Sure, he’d said some things that weren’t exactly true, but he was upset and it was ages ago.
He’d been terribly upset by the chippy little nurse. But he’d bravely managed to write everything down – which they liked – and when he talked to them, he did so in a way they approved of. They preferred his “demeanour”. So they believed what he said.
Peggie hadn’t made notes. Why would she? It was months before she got to present her version of events. Naturally there were inconsistencies. She missed some things out. The panel seized on this as a sign she was wrong.
Rarely in the judgment does she get the benefit of the doubt – though they do eventually acknowledge that she’d managed 30 years service without a sniff of trouble.
To understand the mountain they built for Peggie to climb the panel even criticised her barrister, Naomi Cunningham, for misgendering Upton so often that elsewhere it would have amounted to harassment.
And as for Maya Forstater – whose tribunal judgment they misquoted and whose victory ensured gender critical laws enshrined gender critical beliefs are now protected under the Equality Act 2010 – they dismissed her evidence as unreliable.
But what of the saintly NHS Fife staff? It should be enough to know that they considered the bumbling Isla Bumba a credible witness despite her telling them she didn’t know if she was a woman.
But of course there was much worse. Part of Upton’s account relied on “contemporaneous” notes he’d taken. Except, as en expert witness called by Peggie’s team demonstrated, he’d not written them when he said he did. They were altered.
This, the tribunal had to concede, was awkward. It raised questions. But the solution was simple. Brand the expert unreliable. He’d told them Upton was trying to mislead the tribunal so he was obviously not impartial.
As for Upton, he hadn’t perjured himself. He wasn’t lying. Yes, he’d not been accurate. But he’d been inaccurate honestly. He’d probably just forgotten. It was ages ago. This sort of forgetfulness was obviously different to Peggie’s. For some reason or other.
And then there was Upton’s friend Dr Kate Searle. She’d failed to maintain the confidentiality of the investigation, not least by emailing colleagues describing what happened as a hate incident. She’d called Peggie’s actions “completely unacceptable”.
The tribunal had to admit she probably wasn’t impartial, what with supporting him and representing him. But never mind. Unlike the expert witness, hers was the good sort of not impartial. They believed her.
And on and on it went. A doctor in a secretive “need to know” group told colleagues Peggie had been reported to the Nursing & Midwifery Council and admitted knowing that was untrue. She couldn’t explain why she’d said it. Yet the tribunal still considered her credible.
The tribunal doubtless believes that it acted fairly and was correct in its findings of fact, just as it doubtless believes it was right in law, despite the criticism it has faced from legal experts and those who question the accuracy of the quotations it cites.
And of course it is entirely possible that the panel weighed up every single bit of evidence and decided that the NHS Fife side were simply good and decent people who could not tell a lie and that Peggie was a wrong‘un. Only they know.
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Gethin Chamberlain is a photographer and journalist specialising in human rights and labour rights, published in The Observer, Sunday Telegraph, Guardian, Scotsman and more. You can follow him on Twitter or on his website and Substack, where the original longer version of this piece can be found.
“The tribunal heard she reduced him to tears”
Good.
It’s bloody obvious there’s a whole raft of others (not trans) who need to be reduced to tears too.
High time we rolled our sleeves up and made a start.
May 2026 seems like an opportune date.
DEI. We need to weed the garden. After all weeds are just flowers in the wrong place.
Great article Gethin. Without doubt one of the biggest stitch ups, smudging and smearing of facts I’ve witnessed in many a year.
“Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid”
I was thinking more Thelma and Louise.
Pervy men and their collaborators. Totally bemusing to normal men and women everywhere….
But despite everything, Judge Kemp is an honourable man;
So are they all, those witnesses for NHS Fife, all honourable men, and women–
We all heard how the Second Respondent was confused as to detail with regard to note taking and that such notes had been changed on a number of occasions:
But Judge Kemp said the Second Respondent was a credible and broadly reliable witness;
And Judge Kemp is an honourable man.
We all heard how Dr Currer had admitted to circulating false information to a WhatsApp group with regard to reporting action allegedly taken against the claimant:
But Judge Kemp said that, except for that one instance, Dr Currer was considered to be a credible and generally reliable witness;
And Judge Kemp is an honourable man.
I could go on…
(Apologies to WS)
Thank you for this post Gethin , And YET all this evidence about their conjecture allied with the obvious myriad of legal criticisms from fellow legal professionals Kemp has not budged or responded
If the judiciary of the SC believes that they and the LAW have ANY credibility they MUST investigate what has taken place to reach this IMO unbelievably flawed judgement riddled with inaccuracies and BIAS
They MUST insist that their judgement is acted upon by the relevant parties with any attempt at obfuscation or misinterpretation treated as contempt of court
The only folk surprised by all this ‘stuff’; this “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” stuff; this “Independence Day” stuff; this “Falling Skies” stuff; this “War of the Worlds” stuff; this “District 9” and “Defiance” stuff are those folk who haven’t yet clicked that the Scots have been ‘invaded’ by a foreign power.
A power whose representatives on Earth – those ‘friends of the power’ native to Scotland and those ‘aliens’ native to the power – ‘manage’ Scotland’s NHS, civil service, police force, Judiciary, local councils, education authorities, transport and shipping, financial institutions; arts and culture, the Scottish Government and Parliament and… whatever else is left over.
There’s a word for this style of foreign ‘investment’ in a nation… can anyone guess what that word is?
There’s a science fiction TV series called “Colony”… it’s more or less a series of educational videos explaining Scotland’s situation and the true nature of her people’s’ predicament, except the aliens in the videos are much nicer than the ones controlling Scotland.
“NHS, civil service, police force, Judiciary, local councils, education authorities, transport and shipping, financial institutions; arts and culture, the Scottish Government and Parliament and… whatever else is left over”
You missed ane, Northy, Scottish Water.
They’ve been adding something. It causes all sorts of madness. Haverin in a made-up language of badly-spelled English words.
Slaverin too.
Drink your own piss only, Northy. Don’t let them win!
The Red menace contaminated the water long before that. Or was it the will of God. No. Alas it’s University training.
“Education Education Education”
University land where the likes of the whole NOT the Scottish government where spawned.
You’re on those magic mushrooms again.
“You missed ane, Northy, Scottish Water.”
Nope… it’s right there in the “whatever else is left over” class of things not specifically mentioned.
It’s naw, though. I’ve checked.
Your vision’s getting blurry, Northy.
What have you been up to?
“folk who haven’t yet clicked that the Scots have been ‘invaded’ by a foreign power”
Correct Northcode, and this is where even such insightful articles remain incomplete, and hence inadequate.
A colonial society is of course run by colonial institutions and thus made subject to its dominant colonial norms and cultural values. This is not merely a class issue between a nurse and a doctor, as the author implies, its also an ethnic divide, and where language and culture IS the main divide. As Cesaire wrote, colonialism is first and foremost “hateful racism”.
Fanon defined colonial society as “two psychical and cultural realms” within which the colonized is forced to exist, and to compromise, and assimilate. In this reality the colonizer is always superior because of the way they speak, and the colonized is inferior because of they wey thay spik.
As Memmi noted:
“Whenever the colonizer states, in his language, that the colonized is a weakling, he suggests thereby that this deficiency requires protection. From this comes the concept of protectorate. It is in the colonized’s own interest that he be excluded from management functions, and that those heavy responsibilities be reserved for the colonizer. This always brings us back to racism…..”.
And this will remain our oppressive institutionalised reality so long as the meritocratic elite in Scotland is Anglophone, not Scots-speaking. Hence the critical importance of teaching oor ain braw Scots langage tae Scots bairns in schuils:
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
As Memmi noted, “From this comes the concept of protectorate. It is in the colonized’s own interest that he be excluded from management functions, and that those heavy responsibilities be reserved for the colonizer.”
Yes – that must be why so many colonised Scots have been Prime Ministers, Ministers of the Crown, etc of what Professor Baird insists is the coloniser’s country. Oh wait – that doesn’t work.
Surely the venerable Memmi can’t be wrong. Or the esteemed professor. So maybe Scotland isn’t a colony at all…
Never forget !!!!!!!
Alf Baird says:
19 December, 2025 at 4:07 pm
“Colonialism is a ‘hoax’ (Fanon) efter aw!”
In fairness, Factchecker, one imagines Messrs. Memmi and Césaire are spinning rapidly in their respective graves…
A decent ‘factchecker’ should know that “colonialism is always a co-operative venture with native elites” (Fanon).
Burns rightly called them ‘a parcel of rogues’. Such people are still around, not least btl here.
Their main purpose is ‘to make any prospect of liberation for the native seem impossible’ (Memmi).
Maist o oor civil service leaders are frae sooth o the Boarder. This is the colonial response to clip the wings o the political push for independence. In some ways Holyrood has exacerbated the march of colonialism in Scotland.
Socialism is a parasite that feeds on the host nation (fanny).
You hit the nail plum on the head, Rev. It was a travesty. Legally, contemporaneous notes can be strongly evidential – but only if they are accurate and actually contemporaneous, and not amended at a later date, and actually written by the person offering them as evidence.
I believe that Upton took notes because he was well aware, in my opinion, that he was in the wrong legally and morally when he opened the door to the nurses’ changing room and stepped inside it. He knew he would be challenged at some point and he was willing to have a nurse lose her job in order to facilitate his delusion (delusion may be the wrong word because these men know exactly what they are doing). Even before that, when he asked for permission to enter the female nurses’ changing room, it showed at least some knowledge that he might be refused, so knew that he was probably in the wrong. That he might well have altered the notes makes him unreliable. Police who do that are disgraced in court and their case often is not upheld.
Judge Kemp was far too senior an employment arbiter and far too experienced to have made that judgement the way he did without some intervention. Perhaps the lay persons with him put in their two pennies worth? Ultimately, though, the buck stopped with him. I can see no other explanation except that this was ‘trans’ activism, raw ‘trans’ activism so arrogant as to believe that no one would question the judgement.
Upton is middle-class. Upton can speak well because he is well-educated. Upton does ‘posh’. Like all these men, he can charm the birds out of the trees when he has to do so and can count on any number of stupid, craven women to support his delusion. Nurse Peggie is working-class, a wee wifie who was not about to stand down and take this s**t. Nurse Peggie speaks with a working-class Scots accent. Oh, yes, there was class bias, and more.
Why did the tribunal never ask why Upton used the female nurses’ changing room instead of the female doctors’ one? Why was he so sure that he would be granted permission to use it? The nurses will be almost entirely working-class and are at the bottom of the hierarchy and much easier to bully into compliance. That her union – not his, so no conflict of interest – was unwilling to stand up for a working-class nurse in favour of a doctor who claimed to be a woman says it all about the ways in which the Left has abandoned the working-class and GC women in the UK.
A very hearty round of applause Lorna, totally agree. I wll never understand (nor do I want to) how the middle classes get away with their attitude to the working class in situations like this, it is in all ways appalling.
With regard to ‘delusion’, when I am reading I substitute fetish/addiction.
Significant falls in the number of mainly women (working class) applying to Scottish nurse training courses year on year. This threatens the survival of the health service itself. Just saying like.
I feel it is incumbent upon me to warn those who find themselves, perhaps in a confused daze, perpetually sniffing around my comments in fevered excitement desperate to engage my attention that they have been sexually imprinted by various special word combinations and patterns peppered throughout my posts.
This ‘sexual bonding’ to my posts only affects those with weak minds, severely limited intelligence and no detectable sense of humour, Inglis colonialists are especially susceptible.
This means that for indigenous Scots – and especially so for those indigenous Scots who are independence supporters – the imprint can never take effect as they are far, far too intelligent and strong of mind.
Those who have succumbed to imprinting, however, are now permanently sexually bonded to my posts and will be unable to prevent themselves from responding to them with incomprehensible sex-driven drivel.
NOTE: There is no actual sexual component to the imprint. It is named thus owing to the unnatural strength of the imprinted bond.
They’ll be sniffing aroond yer erse next, Northy.
It must be the dug in ye. Bad dug! Nae biscuit! If yer hungry, eat the cold boak ye threw up yesterday. Then gang lie doon in yer bed.
[Obviously not in a sexy way. That would be … noo fit would be the right word to use in a Scotland where Indy-supporting Scots intend to force naked larping blokes into girl’s dressing rooms?
How odd that Northy’s made-up language never seems to have the words to describe the perverted excesses of Scotland’s Indy tribe.]
Northy;
The Site Prick proved your point – within 25 meenits!
Watch oot, the resident Yoons have got the hots for ye!
You have my sympathies.
Hey Fatso, are you still looking down on the hardworking poor, e.g. McDonalds workers getting up at 6am to work all day for a pittance, being mocked by the likes of you whilst they pay their taxes (which, in part, pays for your benefits)…?
Just checking likes.
Aw, sweethheart, are you still carrying a torch for me?
Thanks, but I’ll pass.
What a sad bot you are.
Hey, maybe Fatso, maybe.
However, at least I pay my own way, have a job and don’t look down on working class people striving to make a living and a contribution towards society (as opposed to a freeloading bum), so there is that. 🙂
We’ve only got your word for that though, haven’t we sweetie?
You’re a Reform shill so probably a born liar.
I couldn’t care less whether the likes of you believes me or not – as I’ve already told you. Feel free either way.
However, one thing we absolutely DO know for sure is that you look down on honest, hardworking people in fast food establishments like McDonalds, paying their taxes for the likes of you.
Always happy to remind you (and everyone else) of that fact.
Who’s “we”? LOL. You think anyone reads the shite that you post?
What you might think you “know” in your simple, deranged little mind is of no interest. You’re a comedian, pure and very simple.
A jibbering fucking idiot.
I’m just back from the Duff & Phelps Christmas party. They’re all having a good laugh over there.
So why did you leave early?
Humbug (or any other kind of topical bug)
This not the first time Kemp has done this. Claims under multiple heads failed because he found doctors more “credible” than the claimant, a female PhD who he couldn’t fit into a neat class box. In many ways, the two judgments are close to identical, as if he has a template. All his judgments over the last five years (at least) should be scrutinised with a view to overturning them if a pattern can be shown. The EAT are no use, either – they simply rubber-stamp almost all decisions, even when obvious errors of fact and law are pointed out to them.
Following the successful appeal, Judge Sandy Kemp must be sacked, no ifs no buts.
If “sacked” is a euphemism for “tarred and feathered” I agree.
More a matter of incompatible cultures than one of class.
Here in the ‘Peggie palaver’ we see the anti-Scots racism of the English and Anglified Scottish bourgeoisie who together run Scotland’s institutions on behalf of their true spiritual master and home – England.
England, that alien interloper with no legitimacy to rule the Scots… and certainly no legitimacy to treat everything that is Scotland’s as its own, is the root of Scotland’s problems.
England, with its unjustified sense of superiority and entitlement lies at the heart of Scotland’s troubles.
England, and its hatred of the Scots; its greed for Scotland’s riches – no matter how illegal or immoral or unethical the methods it engages to acquire those riches; its callous disregard for the Scots, and their comforts and their needs, is the singular source of everything that is wrong with Scotland right now.
Scotland, free of England, could not possibly navigate the turbulent seas of the global storm surging about us any worse, any clumsier, than what we see in pitiful England’s pitiful attempts at steering ‘the nation’ to safe harbour… and would most likely make a better job of it blindfold and with both hands tied.
Remove England from Scotland and the Scots would thrive unburdened by a mediocre colonial management class who only exist to keep Scotland’s barely functioning civic institutions just functioning enough to maintain the orderly extraction, the theft, of Scotland’s wealth.
A matter of class becomes a matter of cultures becomes an existential matter of survival for a people.
“blindfold and with both hands tied”
Ah’ve telt ye afore, Northy.
Nae discussion o yer sex life afore the watershed!
Ah! We see here the sexual bonding – created by my imprint-laced posts designed to ensnare and enslave colonialists- in action.
Write more gibberish for my entertainment, bonded one!
DANCE! DANCE FOR ME, SLAVE!!
“Write more gibberish”
But it’s yer turn, Northy.
Gie us ane o yer lengthy epistles written entirely in yer fabricated Scots.
You could just copy and paste any o the hunnerds ye’ve posted already.
Nae cants ganging tae notice, read it, or care.
Northy;
Careful now, the site Prick wants to kiss your interface!
Northcode, you’re right. The dick-swinging is just for the titillation of the the internet audience, otherwise this tale is as old as the hills – the servant didn’t do the master’s bidding and must be punished. Alas, the law got in the way so they grudgingly had to find in her favour over the most minor detail they could find.
A profile of the Upton supporters would probably make an interesting read.
“…this tale is as old as the hills – the servant didn’t do the master’s bidding and must be punished.”
Not only an accurate summation of the motive behind Sandie Peggie’s harassment and subsequent poor and unjust treatment by a ‘Scottish’ court… but an effective analogy, too.
There’s an interview with Sandie Peggie on Mail Online this morning.
Of course, once the SNP and the wider Indy movement find “Mail Online” in your internet search history, you’ll be thrown out into the wilderness, just like Sandie.
But then, once you’ve read the interview, you’ll realise that out in the wilderness is now where all the decent, rational Scots are.
The SNP, and all the other enablers of the trans lunacy that has turned Scotland into an international laughing stock, need to be thrown in history’s dustbin.
May 2026 is an excellent opportunity to make a start.
The Site Prick shilling for the Daily heil there.
Quelle suprise!
“Honestly inaccurate” is right up there with “Economical with the truth.”
Scotland’s largest public sector trade union, UNISON, with a membership of 150,000+ has a new leader this morning.
And pink-haired Andrea Egan has a column in the Guardian Online to lay out her stall.
Something about “new era”, “powerful women”, “dignity”, “Starmer must act”, yada, yada.
Also “unbowed in our support for the Pally people’s freedom struggle, and proud of our internationalism and opposition to war”, “will not sit idly by while this Labour government allows imprisoned Pally Solidarity Campaign activists to starve”.
Great news everybody. We can look forwards to our Scottish public sector workers, entirely financed by our taxes, being instructed from the top to prioritise actions on behalf of foreigners.
I, for one, can hardly wait to be denied the services I’m being forced to pay for. I’m confident every other Sovereign Scot will be with me on this, especially the sick, elderly, poor, etc.
Oh, it’s much worse than that Hatey. You should be trembling with fear under your union-flag covered duvet…
> Egan, who was expelled from Labour for sharing articles from the Marxist group Social Appeal, was backed by the left-wing MP, John McDonnell, as well as Your Party’s Jeremy Corbyn.
It’s a good move by the union, whose members are on the lowest rungs of the ladder. It will be interesting indeed to see whether she can put pay raises and improved working conditions to the fore, instead of virtuous, middle-class causes. Personally I doubt whether work-shy, professional, activists will let her, in which case Farage, with a back to basics campaign of dignity for all (no idea whether he would ever countenance that) will sweep the board.
Personally I think the left is too hobbled by virtuous middle-class causes to ever recover. They simply are not prepared to ditch the progressive policies that got us into this mess. Their undying love for immigration, even though it mortally wounds their supporters, will also contribute to their demise.
At least we have the internet, so there’s no need any more, to take to the streets. Fun times.
Thanks for your reply, Stuart.
As it happens, I lack a union-flag covered duvet.
As it happens, you missed a golden opportunity to assert that as a racist, fascist, colonialist cant, I wouldn’t permit a continental atrocity such as a duvet (spit) in the house. Maybe next time, eh?
Perhaps Egan will succeed in bringing the same improvements in living standards to her union members that the ham assholes have brought to the Pallys.
Now, wouldn’t that be ironic? 🙂
“As it happens, I lack a union-flag covered duvet.”
ROTFLMFAO!!
Well, you never know what Santa might bring you. Only three more sleeps to go now 🙂
“Scotland’s largest public sector trade union, UNISON”
Scotland’s? A dinna think sae.
Sorry, Alf.
I overlooked the Amalgamated Scottish UN Petitioners and Associated Grifters.
Quite right, Alf – ‘Unison’ is a ‘UK’ (London based) organization that supports the Yoon Labour party without question, and is pro-union, despite what it’s Scotch members might think.
With just over a year and a half in power, the Labour government have become deeply unpopular. The economy is in the doldrums with no sign of recovery and they have not only broken one of their electoral promises of not raising taxes but lied about it.
They are in danger of losing large parts of their voting base to Reform and the Green party.
They not only need a diversion from their current problems but also to stop their support from slipping away. What better way to do this than stoke the culture wars by ignoring the Supreme court ruling?
The SNP here are in an even worse position as their whole party machine from top to bottom is infested with the Woke Out for Indy mob.
All the main parties, including the Tories, support this Transgender madness. The question is what do people do?
“including the Tories”
Do they fuck. Short memory – those Tories were the only ones to hold the SNP in check, preventing their intended legislation to become law.
This is your ilk’s mess, own it.
Ah the fantasist and fool again.
Tories voted for Self Id in Holyrood and the only reason the Tories vetoed it at Westminster was because having the law operating in Scotland would open a whole can of worms south of the border so they had did it solely for party purposes rather than from any altruistic or ideological reasons.
This whole thing does open a different kind of worms for the Unionists though.
We are told that the UK government can’t deal with immigration because of EHCR but as mentioned in the previous article, the UK government is ignoring EHCR on their definition of a woman. The whole judicial system is politicied including the Scottish one which is under Westminster control where changes to the legal system needs to be approved by them.
Why don’t you stick to the Mail. That’s suited your level of intellectual capabilities.
So much
Good grief, you really are a moron aren’t you?
Yes, the Tories did indeed veto the SNP’s GRR Bill, which doesn’t exactly smack of a Party supposedly “supporting transgender madness” [your words].
I mean, DUH. It’s almost as if you imbeciles deny basic realities before your very eyes… but then, that’s part of the whole problem, isn’t it pal?
“The question is what do people do?”
Ooh, let me think “Bilbo”, maybe vote for right wing parties whose avowed intent is to reverse all this stuff, as opposed to left wing parties who support it?
Cretin.
Captain Caveman
Intelligence bordering on imbecility and delusion beyond belief.
The Tories were in power for 14 years and the Transgender ideology exploded. There was even a Tory MP involved in a car crash wearing a mini-skirt, high heels and tights.
Trump is in power and made a lot of noise about the issue yet there are still men competing in woman’s sport in the US.
Trans ideology is as much a fault of the right and not admitting that, you are in a way continuing to facilitate it.
As I said, away back to the Mail comments section.
Aye, Bilbo.
CC can get it right up him with that pish.
Maybe he’d be a fan of the rainbow coloured bare arsed dildo sporting monkey delivering the message personally.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Fucking tedious going over and over this shite again and again. But guess Stu loves the boost it gives to site traffic; Though, it’s so obvious that the relentless stream of trolls and focus on one thing have pissed aff so many previous commenters to the point the site has died on its arse.
I can’t remember the last time I thought it worth sharing a link to an article for those reasons.
Oh good grief, here I am sat with a “negroni hangover” following a rather spectacular dinner with friends (Mrs C was at her awesome best, I’m pleased to report), only to be confronted by another imbecilic post from our very own intellectually-challenged “Bilbo”.
I mean really, there’s quite a bit to say, but TL;DR – what a thicko.
I realise this is a truly pointless endeavour, but just for shits and giggles before I brave it out there to walk the pooch for a couple of bracing hours, let’s quickly run through this one, shall we?
Here’s what Bilbo actually said originally [emphasis added]:
‘… All the main parties, including the Tories, support this Transgender madness.’
So, what can we glean from this pearl of wisdom? Well, first off, it is written in the present tense, so whatever it is that he is asserting applies to the here and now, ergo the present, not umpteen years ago or whatever. Context, as ever, is important.
In terms of the nature of his claim, this is essentially that all the main parties are all just as bad as one another (including the Tories); they all support this ‘Transdender madness’ as he puts it.
However, as I have already pointed out, this claim is easily proven to be flawed. The Tories, in fact, actively opposed the GRR Bill becoming law, very clearly differentiating themselves from the rest of the mainstream political parties (and in profound fashion).
Here’s what a 5-second Google search yields on the subject:
‘… the Tories strongly opposed the Scottish Gender Recognition Reform (GRR) Bill. The UK government, under a Conservative administration, ultimately used a never-before-used power to block the bill from becoming law after it was passed by the Scottish Parliament in December 2022’
So in fact, far from Bilbo’s claim, it is demonstrably and factually the case that Tories deployed a “never-before-used” power to go out of their way to oppose – and duly thwart – a cornerstone SNP gender recognition bill (which by the way was supported by the Scottish Greens, Labour and Lib Dems, ergo all the other left wing parties – amply demonstrating a clear, present day ideological Left/Right divide on the disputed subject).
In effect, then, if it wasn’t for the Tories, this bill would have become law, so we have them – and only them – to thank for it not becoming so. That’s just a plain fact (as I vainly tried to explain first time around).
Thus, we have a very clear, present day and contemporaneous example (unsurprisingly) showing Bilbo’s assertion to be utter mince – but it’s far from the only corroborative fact readily available to us. Another 5-second Google search will also show that present day Conservative Party policies do not fit within Bilbo’s lazy stereotyping:
‘…
(1) Education: The Conservative policy includes mandatory guidance for schools to ensure the “contested concept of gender identity” is not taught to children, and that teaching about biological sex is prioritised. The policy also mandates parental involvement in decisions relating to a child’s request to socially transition in school.
(2) Healthcare: The party has committed to implementing the recommendations of the independent Cass Review, an NHS England-commissioned report into gender identity services for children. This includes legislating to permanently ban the private prescription and supply of puberty blockers to children with gender dysphoria, following the NHS’s decision to stop their routine use in under-18s.
(3) Legal gender recognition: The Conservatives aim to make an individual’s legal sex a reserved matter for the UK Parliament to legislate on, preventing devolved administrations (like Scotland) from introducing self-identification systems. The party is not committed to reforming the existing Gender Recognition Act 2004. …’
So in conclusion, it doesn’t take a genius to see that contrary to Bilbo’s crass claim, rightly or wrongly the Tories do not, in fact, support this ‘Transgender madness’. Again – cold, hard fact – not opinion.
Now of course, rather than graciously concede the error, we have an example of what almost all puffed up, blowhard metropolitan/woke/middle class/stupid [delete as applicable] lefties do when caught in similar situations: double down on their own stupidity.
A fragile ego, generous helpings of conceit and an entirely misplaced belief in their own very limited intellectual abilities all combine and dictate that such an act of contrition is never going to be on the cards, and that generally means the following:
(1) “Daily Mail” insults (like SO original, right?)
(2) Moving the goalposts e.g. widening the scope of debate resulting in an never-ending “whack-a-mole” until their opponent is exhausted and/or their sanity/will to live is compromised
I mean, it’s just so fucking predictable. Notwithstanding the aforementioned and carefully explained importance of his use of present tense context, a crass attempt is nevertheless made to subsequently widen the discussion about “the last 14 years” – even though a very clear and valid near present-day example of how the Tories were and are very different to left wing parties in this specific respect, and even the most cursory comparison of present day Tory policies vs. SNP, Scottish Greens or Lib Dems reveal large differences in approach and ideology.
As for some Tory MP or other being “found in a mini skirt, high heels and tights”… lordy, I did laugh long and hard at that one. This guy thinks *I* am the moron here…. unbelievable.
I think I’ll leave it there, folks. Dogs to walk and Sunday roast tatties to peel.
“…a rather spectacular dinner with friends…”
LOLZ. Aye, right. Are you hearing the voices again?
“The question is what do people do?”
A colonized and hence oppressed (doun-hauden) people have only one ‘remedy’ (Memmi) – liberation.
Thankfully a great many Scots have already figured this oot:
link to liberation.scot
link to liberatescot.scot
Do we know that there is definitely going to be an appeal, and if so, whether there is a date for it?
The Tribunal had to come out in favour of Sandie Peggie but only did so one one ground.
It is not difficult however to see how the other issues were dealt with. Justice has not been delivered for Sandie Peggie.
For me the point about a nurse of long standing service going to a woman’s changing room to be met by an unrepentant dick dressed as a chicken, is the heart of what is so obscenej about Dr Theodore Upton. This is a dude who sees it as his right to swing the dick in woman only spaces albeit that the dick is lurking under his frock.
Thereafter the whole manner of the doctor fraternity and th3 management of the hospital very much come across as having malignly colluded to support Upton and do down nurse Peggie.
This article very much draws attention to these concerns. Dr Theodore Upton, the dick dressed as a chick, or should it be a cock dressed as a chicken should have, given previous concerns by nurse Peggie have discreetly resiled from forcing confrontation.
Big questions then about his fitness to practice and so also of some of his Patrician band of doctor colleagues. Ditto the Board and its senior managers who played a less than straightforward hand.
Sandie Peggie is absolutely correct to appeal this Tribunal decision which very much comes across as a partisan rigged court.
Good stuff Rev Stu for proving a commentary that assists folks better understand underlying concerns.
Assuming young Theo has male chromosomes and genitalia then, if he were to tell me that he is a woman, i would refuse him any role in my care on the grounds of being delusional/ignorant/dishonest, profoundly unreliable. Is any other assessment needed?
NHS Fife management are not fit to be in emplyment except perhaps in casualty evacuation on front line duty confronting the Moscow imperialists.
The colonial regime in Scotland, every element of it, is corrupt even without used banknotes in proverbial brown envelopes. Salaries are very effective (£180000 for some?). Also, as Alf Baird implies, there is corruption as a state of mind, likely exhibited by Private Caveman (above).
Recently read that Starmer’s appointee B. Phillipson has sought to block implementation of Supreme Court ruling in the For Women Scotland case. (Sorry cannot remember source)
I think the ‘trans’ aspect is a much smaller component of the Sandie Peggie case than the anti-Scots racism aspect exhibited by NHS Fife and the court.
Upton is an English.
I wonder how the judgement might have gone if Sandie Peggie were English and Upton a Scot.
I’m not at all surprised Sandie Peggie has been treated so badly… she’s a colonised Scot and Upton an English supported by an Anglified NHS management and an Anglified ‘Scottish’ court.
I’m surprised Sandie Peggie has been treated as ‘fairly’ as she has been in this our… no longer brave, Scotland the Colony.
Aye, ‘Justice’ is at best a rather theoretical concept in a colonial society, where our ‘procurer’ makes (up) all the rules and decisions, whilst considers the colonized as subordinate beings, their speech invalid.
Which explains why (Memmi):
“the colonized seldom seeks for justice in the colonial framework”
and which tells us precisely where we are, in that:
“What is fascism, if not a regime of oppression for the benefit of a few?”
Professor Baird says:
20 December, 2025 at 12:34 pm
Aye, ‘Justice’ is at best a rather theoretical concept in a colonial society, where our ‘procurer’ makes (up) all the rules and decisions, whilst considers the colonized as subordinate beings, their speech invalid.
If the professor thinks for a minute, he will realise that ‘Justice’ is a theoretical concept in any society, since the concept of’Justice’ in that society depends on shared moral values. These values may not be shared in other societies. Justice is a human construct, not an absolute.
As regards ‘our ‘procurer’ makes (up) all the rules and decisions, whilst considers (sic) the colonized as subordinate beings’, there are enough obvious differences between the Scottish legal system and that in operation elsewhere, from conveyancing to the jury system itself, to make the statement laughable.
“he concept of’Justice’ in that society depends on shared moral values”
There are inevitably two different sets of values in a colonial society, those of the colonizer’s and those of the colonized. Hence Fanon’s ‘two psychical and cultural realms’.
And in the contorted outcome of the Peggie tribunal, here we are reminded that with colonialism ‘there are no human values’, that morals tend to be those of the ‘dunghill’, and that if necessary ‘the moon is made of cheese’ (Cesaire), or a man can be a woman.
These are far from ‘shared moral values’, being one set relating to the oppressor and the other the oppressed group; though the oppressor’s values may become ‘internalised’ by the colonized through the process of cultural assimilation.
Freud’s ‘superego’ is said to comprise elements of internalised civil behaviour, our values and morals, and which forms an important part of the ‘colonial mindset’:
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
@factchecker
Which part of the regularly repeated claim that “the moon is made of cheese” are you failing to process?
Seriously?
I look forward to seeing you listed on Peggie’s legal team as the race discrimination expert.
link to x.com
give us the figures then
Its a class war,
If Sandie peggy was a doctor, and upton was the nurse…
If Sandie Peggy was English and upton Scots,
And if judges were not funded….and Scots had the numption to retain juries in civil and criminal trials….
If the Civil servants were native indigenous Scots and not paid from the master….but then they would all seek someone else to make and example of,
If the Devolved governance was a real Scots government and the Courts in Scotland real Scots courts instead of English Crown Courts,
There are a lot of ” if’s ” in Colonised land, and not a lot of legal justice,
but then what do you expect if your decision was made in favour of a treaty existing through the Centuries and never raise a questioning eyebrow, pen or finger to point these things out.
Other than the continuation of the same, increasing as the years pass by further away from the goal,
Through a pretendy parliament, one that is the source of woes. That uptakes every baton but yours.
as stewart lee might say …
– you rape ONE BABY …
link to archive.ph
– and they CALL YOU A PEDOPHILE …
in
this
FASCIST
state
he’s served his sentence; can a man not get a break in this town?
Maybe the SNP will sort him out with a nice quango job.
” … a HUNDRED YELLOW RIBBONS ROUND THE OLD OAK TREE … ”
or try this foot stomper
link to youtube.com
back in the glitter gang; the worse you are, the better you do in this society – this fucker will get a new identity I reckon, for his safety
link to youtube.com
it’s all coming down, eventually …
civic nationalism at its best
link to x.com
– we need to welcome the “new britons” furtheconomy-n-growf handthehenhaichess
– luckily, 30 minutes after this was filmed, the council found him a 4 bedroom detached place in chelsea; his family are now coming over to “visit”
orban never disappoints
link to x.com
howsabout we give 90B euros not to the yookies, to pish it up a wall and end up in tel aviv and zurich, but to the rushans, so they can end it quickly (or just stop giving them the satellite data and turn off the starlink)
hungary is also one of the best countries for r4pe statistics, i.e. LESS of it, but I now see ENGLAND is tops : #1 r4pe capital of yoorp
ursula never done lyin is a warmongering b1tch whose dad was a real actual nazi and a gladio terrorist (this is madame le pen, giving it to her)
link to x.com
bizarrely the new head of MI6 is another hockey playing blonde nazi b1tch; it seems to be a type
– note how crazy this all is : you get called a “nazi” if you think e.g. women don’t have cocks, but “doing it 4 real” it suddenly becomes a case of “let bygones be bygones”, its all water under the bridge and we shouldn’t blame the children for the deeds of their parents … eh, whut?!
A real actual Nazi, eh Confused?
What’s your favourite word to describe pretendy, part-time Nazis? “Ersatz” has a certain je ne sais quoi, would you agree?
I miss some kind of comments rating system on here. I would give your one 8 out of 10. Hint: For 10 out of 10 you have to write “real actual Jewish Nazi” and mean it.
Nae faking it!
You seem to be ok with nazis, why don’t you tell folks about your ‘fighting friends in the east’ national hero Stepan Bandera? You know, the guy they currently hold torchlit parades for carrying his image, name streets after and raise statues of.
His boys helped murder tens of thousands at Babi Yar and there’s documentary evidence of this easily found online. The evidence includes a video of a holocaust survivor saying as much.
So go on, tell us all about Stepan, there was certainly nothing ersatz about him.
Careful, Dave, there might have been one sitting right behind you on the bus the other day. Dinna be fooled by some slight, blonde, wee lassie – they fight just as weel as their men fowk.
Boo!!!
Aw, fuck, Dave, that mess on yer seat will need attention from the depot cleaning crew. And you’re gonna hae tae tak the next bus hame tae change yer under crackers.
Careful, DaveL; the Site Prick fancies you!
Whatever he fancies James I don’t know but he certainly doesn’t fancy talking about Stepan Bandera. That’s a man who out nazi’d the German originals at times and even they expressed shock.
I don’t think the Germans ever lashed children and babies to trees with barbed wire, feet off the ground and used them for bayonet practice. Stepan’s OUN (Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists) did. There’s a monument depicting that.
Stepan Bandera; worshipped in Ukraine today. Don’t you want to speak about him Hatey?
Confused.
But Confused our royals are german to, although have had some weird bedfellows and friends associations through out history or did they change their name from Battenburg to Windsors, very controversial private life.
Like the picture of Lady Justice at the top of your article, Stuart, here was I thinking that justice should be blind. Silly me! Perhaps Lady Justice was a transwoman in this case, peeping out from under her blindfold, holding a scalpel in one hand and an unbalanced pair of scales in the other!
On the point of Lady Justice. You could hang a wet duffle coat on those nipples.
No True Scot ever willingly donned that alien symbol of aggressive, colonialist oppression – the duffel coat.
Macadanism. Built by the Irish, patented by the Welsh and overseen by the English.
It wasn’t the Red coats that subjugated the great unwashed it was a Union of mind over matter.
“Sweet Loretta Martin thought she was a woman
But she was just another guy
All the girls around her said she’s got it coming but she gets’ it coming when she can”
The latest Epstein release of files in America are so similar to the heavily redacted files in Scotland by John Swinney in the Salmond enquiry. The powers that be love to conceal information from the public .Hopefully the pressure in the USA to reveal the truth of all the wealthy, entitled people involved will be revealed.
Alas,in Scotland that seems unlikely.
Interesting juxtaposition Ben Hope. Dinnae gie up hope o’ a court case or twa in the new year. I haven’t. We are ruled, everywhere it seems, by incapable posers. The harder they work to conceal the truth the more they reveal about themselves.
I think it is worth noting that the separation of powers does not exist in Scotland and therefore Westminster can control the three branches of government with the one lever which leads to catastrophic miscarriages of justice.
How can a people oppressed share a common morality with their oppressor?
How can a people abused share a common code of conduct with their abuser?
How can a people dispossessed share the motives of the people who deprived them?
And how can a people hated be expected to share anything but hate with those who hate them?
There is no logical proof possible that could show the Scots and the English share a common morality.
Two peoples so geographically near, one to the other, could not be further apart, morally, ethically, and spiritually.
There is no love lost between the Scots and English egregores – those non-physical entities, those spirits of humanity that arise from the collective unconscious thoughts and emotions of distinct peoples… that arise from a people’s shared beliefs, intentions, emotions and rituals.
There is no love lost between those unseen thoughtforms locked as they are tight together in silent embrace, the one strangling the life from the other.
The Scots are for the most part oblivious to the spirit of Scotland’s plight, gripped as she is in deadly struggle with her oppressor; they are oblivious to her waning life force; oblivious to her cries for help.
But for the Scots to survive long into the future they must hear the spirit of their people’s cries; they must rally around her and protect her; break the vise-grip of her attacker clamped about her throat and nurture her return to health.
If folk think the soul of a people cannot die then think on those peoples throughout history who once were and are now no more.
The egregore of the Scots, millennia in the making, is dying… she looks to her people to save her, but to save her the people must first hear her.
The Scots can yet be saved, but time is against them and they need to get a move on; they need to give their egregore, the soul of their people, some help; they need to put some fight back into her that she might have the strength to break her attacker’s grip… aye, and gie it a guid kick up its arse afore sending it back tae the place it came fae.
“How can a people oppressed share a common morality with their oppressor?”
Eloquently put, Northcode.
In a colonial and hence ‘ethnically stratified’ (Bivens) society, ethnic oppression is further ‘obscured by the assimilation process’ (Memmi). As you indicate, the continuation of this process means the oppressed ethnic group perish.
As Welsh philosopher J.R. Jones explained:
“It is said of one experience that it is one of the most agonising possible . . . that of leaving the soil of your native country forever, of turning your back on your heritage, being torn away by the roots from your familiar land. I have not suffered that experience. But I know of an experience equally agonising, and more irreversible (for you could return to your home) and that is the experience of knowing, not that you are leaving your country, but that your country is leaving you, is ceasing to exist under your very feet, being sucked away from you as it were by a consuming, swallowing wind, into the hands and the possession of another country and civilisation.”
‘Ethnicity’ and hence overcoming ethnic oppression of the colonized group, that is Scots speakin fowk in oor case, can only be remedied through independence, i.e. liberation:
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
Crivens, it’s Bivens noo!
Got to say, Alf, qualifying Jones as Welsh is probably unnecessary.
I’m intrigued by the idea of the oppressed ethnic group perishing. Hasn’t it been 300+ years now? Either we Scots must be extraordinarily long lived, or the merciless, colonialist, oppressive, English cants are remarkably ineffectual.
Haud oan though, perhaps some of us Scots, the ones that congregate on Wings BTL, have simply developed the art of hyperbolic whinging to an art form. That would explain their predilection for wanging oan and oan aboot the pretendy jenny side in G@za too.
I’m going to advance you the courtesy of taking your post seriously for just one minute. You have omitted to write, although I’m sure you know damn well, that any “leeberation” along ethnic grounds will unleash a bloodbath on Scottish streets.
You didn’t used to pussyfoot around this – you and the boy who has taken his inability to write “Scotland” correctly elsewhere. But now you do. Alert readers will draw their own conclusions why.
Thanks, Alf.
A moving quote from Jones. Filled with a poignancy only the colonized could appreciate – or even understand, I think.
Moving whit, Northy? Yer bowels?
A poignant and moving text written in (checks notes) the lying language of the coloniser? Crivens!
You’re not quite as risible as the sorely missed Barbie yet, but fair credit to you, you’re defo gonna fill the space left by her absence until she returns.
DANCE, SLAVE, DANCE!
Hatey, I assume you have good reason for suggesting that ethnic Scots should not run their own country?
You know, like ethnic Norwegians run Norway. Or ethnic Finns run Finland. Or ethnic Indians run India. Or ethnic Kenyans run Kenya. And ethnic Egyptians run Egypt. etc etc etc.
Do tell us which other ethnic groups would try to forcibly stop us from running oor ain kintra and therefore block what the UN and international law regards as our ‘inalienable’ right to self determination?
The eminent professor says
“You know, like ethnic Norwegians run Norway. Or ethnic Finns run Finland. Or ethnic Indians run India. Or ethnic Kenyans run Kenya. And ethnic Egyptians run Egypt. etc etc etc.:
India and its borders are an imperial construct, not an ethnic grouping. So is Kenya. So is Egypt. I’m not convinced that Swedes are a different ethnic group from Norwegians. Or Finland.
In fact, his concept of each country being run by a separate ethnic group seems distinctly wrong.
Is he really an academic at all?
“The eminent professor…”
As usual the point being made immediately, and irredeemably, soars swiftly over the minds of colonists.
There are around 44 ethnic Kenyan groups in Kenya – unsurprisingly they all consider themselves Kenyans and who together run their own country, a country called Kenya.
The ethnic Egyptians, known as Mi?riyy?n in Arabic, are the native people of Egypt. They are Egyptian and run a country called Egypt.
The ethnic Norwegians, known as Nordmenn, are descendants of the Norse people who established a unified Kingdom of Norway in the 9th century, around 30 or 40 years after Scotland did something similar.
Fortunately for the Norwegians they didn’t have the English as neighbours at the time… and still don’t – lucky bastards.
Ethnic Finns, or Suomalaiset, are a Baltic Finnic ethnic group native to Finland, with a rich cultural heritage and a unique language that distinguishes them from their Scandinavian neighbors. They are not a colonized people and wholly control their own country. A country called Finland.
India’s diverse population includes over 2,000 ethnicities, each with its own unique culture, language, and traditions – all of them Indians who are no longer colonized by the English and run their own country – a country called India.
And then there’s Scotland whose original inhabitants were the Picts – the Scots joined the Picts about a thousand years ago and together they formed the country of Scotland.
Their country was stolen by another country called England (the Scots are currently awaiting the results of an ongoing international criminal investigation)
Scotland, unhappily, is the only country of the countries listed above whose indigenous people remain colonized by a foreign power.
I can’t recall if “I’ve-never-encountered-a-fact-I’ve-ever-actually-checked-before” or “Dancing-without-Facts” (its ethnic name) has been imprinted and sexually bonded to my posts yet.
But If not I have no doubt that it won’t be too long until they are.
@factchecker 2.3ppm
In fact, his concept of each country being run by a separate ethnic group seems distinctly wrong.
Is he really an academic at all?
Well indeed. One wonders if the Post Colonial Snake Oil Salesman in Chief Prof. Baird would define for us what an ethnic Scot is?
Presumably the “ethnos” he envisages is different from the “demos” which is entitled to decide the future of the Scottish nation in a future referendum or plebiscitary election.
If all nations are only legitimate on the basis of ethnic purity, the world map might look slightly different of course. Even some of the examples he quotes seem rather suspect don’t they. Is “Indian” really an ethnicity? How about Swiss? They seem to manage their confederation with 4 official languages.
Presumably the Sami people in Norway, Sweden, Finland and Muscovy are entitled to their own nation…?
Wait until someone tells Prof. Baird that large parts of Scotland are probably ethnically Gaelic, or that if we’re going down the ethnic purity rabbit hole the Northern Isles should probably be returned to Norway.
Be careful what you wish for moonhowlers: who knows where it might lead! 🙂
Correction: The Ethnic Egyptians are known as Misriyyun not whatever nonsense WordPress created when it processed the text of my comment.
@Northcode 4pm
Ethnic Finns, or Suomalaiset, are a Baltic Finnic ethnic group native to Finland, with a rich cultural heritage and a unique language that distinguishes them from their Scandinavian neighbors. They are not a colonized people and wholly control their own country. A country called Finland.
Lovely people the Finns. After centuries of real oppression and colonisation by “others…various” they only achieved their independence in 1917 by throwing off the Muscovite imperialists.
I wonder if their ethnic state ought to include the Sami areas of northern Finland however? Are the Sami “real” Finns? Or are they allowed to self identify as Finns?
How about the >5% of Finns who are of Swedish language and ethnicity, having lived in Finland for centuries? Are they entitled to carve out their own Swedish enclave, or are they allowed to consider themselves Finns despite not being ethnically pure enough?
Is that you on the colonial backshift, Andy? Hatey on his weel-deserved brak.
Surprised ye didna ken that language aye plays ‘a vital role in shaping and defining ethnic identity’, serving as ‘a powerful cultural marker’, and even ‘distinguishing one ethnic group from another’.
Which is why colonialists like yersels hate the Scots language so much. And rightly so, because oor braw Scots langage an the identity it geys us remains the biggest threat to the colonizer’s domination.
“How about the >5% of Finns who are of Swedish language and ethnicity, having lived in Finland for centuries?”
You colonists – what are ye like?
Your lies get more extreme by the day.
You’ll be telling me next that the Scots and the English are better together or some such fantastical nonsense.
Do you honestly expect me to believe there are that many Finns of Swedish origin living in Finland who are several centuries old?
There are no more than twenty or so at most.
Besides… those extremely long-lived Swedish Finns might well be of Swedish origin, but they are still 1st class citizens in their own country – whereas the Scots are 3rd class citizens in theirs.
I’m of Pictish origin, but I also think of myself as a Scot.
Your point is not any point at all.
“Lovely people the Finns…”
I’ll write to the Finnish embassy in London and let them know you think they’re patronizingly lovely.
The Finnish people will be over the fucking moon… you know, that moon Westminster keeps telling the Scots is made of fucking cheese!
I wonder if the Finns might consider making today a national holiday… the day an English told them they were ‘lovely people’.
Franchise Fanny returns!
But tae fuck with offering a shred of crimbo goodwill to fellow supporters of Scotland returning to self-governing status, he’s here for division, as nativity season irks him somewhat.
The not so wise man brings “gifts”, immediately blessing us plebs with a medley of all his favourite big word putdowns which no other cunt uses in everyday conversation.
But, instead of pissing away your crimbo waiting on the slowest site on the internet refreshing so you can read his pish postings, you can now listen to all his classics as and when you want at any time!
That’s right, there’s still time to download: Now, That’s What I Call Franchise Fanny for free before crimbo.
Serve up the turkey, sprouts, and gravy, and hit play on NTWICFF, and Jesus Christ, it’s like Andy is in the fucking room with you as you listen and tap your cutlery to classics such as
Inchoately Screechin’ Around the Christmas Tree, and I’m Dreaming of a Moonhowling Christmas.
Hatey: ‘You didn’t used to pussyfoot around this’
Did he not? I once asked Alf after he labelled the English living in Scotland, a colonial occupation force (who logically needed to be expelled), whether he would say this to the face of any English neighbours. He never replied.
And there is the rub. No doubt the Nazi-faced madman, confused, would simply say ‘gas ’em’ or drive them to the border at gunpoint, or even eat them, but no-one takes him seriously obvs., but Alf? No. It is all talk / ‘theory’, but when you ask him about practicalities, deflection or silence reigns. I think the idea is that like the leadership of the old NF (and even Reform today), you get the knuckle draggers to do the dirty work and then say something like you don’t condone violence, but . . . ‘oppressors’, ‘colonial occupation’, ‘native rights’ etc
You see, I do actually understand the idea of a native people mattering and would no more like to see the English overrun Scotland by sheer weight of numbers any more than a die-hard ethnic nationalist, but once you start on the demonising rhetoric you have lost your moral compass, your humanity – those you want not there, you start to not like, then to hate, then dehumanise, after which anything is possible. You have to have practical solutions that will work and not cause civil war, or you are just an enabler of violent chaos, which let’s face it, the Scots will come off much the worse.
@Alf 2:05
I want my Scotland to be run by the meritocratic best.
I don’t want my Scotland to be run by a group whose only defining characteristic would seem to be a suspiciously over-hyped ability to converse in a language the majority of Scots lack any useful literacy in.
Neither of the above stipulations rule out ethnic Scots, whatever they may be.
“No country, people or polity has a God given right to exist in perpetuity.”
Unless it’s England, apparently:
“There’ll always be an England,
And England shall be free
If England means as much to you
As England means to me”
composed and written by Ross Parker and Hughie Charles (recorded in 1939).
More colonialist hypocrisy… will it ever end?
Well, folks… how much does England mean to you?
@Southern(not so)bystander
Not saying it’s the case with the specific matter you are responding to; But I think that posted words often need to be taken with a degree of understanding that there are shades of grey to what is being stated due to limitations of communication and language skills when using the written word, rather than it being just black and white.
As humans, fluctuating emotions and frustrations will undoubtably come into play and will steer the written word.
I failed my English O Grade so ain’t no slick wordsmith, but I excel in other areas, and have a constant stream of folk needing my help. It’s jist the way I developed through nature and nurture over the course of my life. (Ha, almost missed out an o and put “curse of my life”…)
FYI I’ve got a remarkable number of English neighbours, and very often they haven’t a scooby about Scotland and our politics. It grates considerably because young Scots just can’t compete with these incomers to get a house in the area.
I guess these English just moved here because it is nicer than their homeland of England… but then they moan about paying taxes, without understanding that maybe those taxes are a contributory factor as to why it was nice enough for them to move here, because they get marginally better services and benefits than in England for the various often lower taxes paid.
Today I’ve had a chat with one English lad neighbour who has only just moved here and reckons Farage and Reform are the answer… I can see he and his English partner are going to be yet another work in progress…
But to start with I suggested if they want to saddle Scotland with continued London Rule and the shower of shit politicians England continues to elect and be in charge of all the major UK society influencing powers, then they should practice what they preach and want, and start coughing up an extra few hundred quid on their council tax and start paying for prescriptions until the free at point of need health services are privatised, and they then have to fork out more of their hard-earned for private care.
It is a disgrace that across the UK folk are so utterly ill-informed by the mainstream UK media, and also by online “social” media algorithm generated “information”.
Turkey, sprouts and gravy, Dan?
No True Scot would ever pollute the ethnic purity of his body with the hated, alien foodstuffs of the aggressive, racist, fascist, colonialist oppressor.
One day, when Scotland is leeberated, and pure Scots speakers are trawling the downloaded supermarket sales records for the past 30 years, cross referencing the purchases of colonialist foodstuffs against names and addresses, there will be an accounting for every item of turkey, sprouts and gravy you ever purchased.
So against that fateful day, when your flirting with the foreign value systems and mindset of the coloniser comes to trial, recall you still have the freedom to eat a traditional Scottish Xmas dinner in 2025. Whatever that is.
On the traditional Scottish date of Xmas, natch. Whenever that is.
Scotland was taken out of the EU against our democratic will and Scots should ponder; Scotland has traditionally only had one enemy, and it was never Russia or China. Was it Europe that stole the Stone of Destiny, or controlled us with an occupying army? Was it Europe that imprisoned and murdered Sir William Wallace and crushed his vision of Scotland?
Who was it that stole our relics, and smashed our altars?
We know who it was.
Did Europe tell us who to worship and tell us what language we were allowed to do it in?
Who set the wages in the steelworks? Who sent tanks into George Square in Glasgow?
Who sent their police to smash the NUM? Who demolished the industries in Bathgate and Ravenscraig, Methil, Lochaber and Grangemouth, was it Europe?
We know who it was.
But if we want to stay ‘British’, we have to forget. Or act like it doesn’t matter. Don’t teach it in schools, don’t talk about it in public, don’t connect.
Sell Scots the foreign-owned newspapers, keep the television controlled from elsewhere, hollow out the language; make us a theme park. Make us a gift shop. Accommodate. Accommodate as if nothing else had ever happened. The pied piper of Britishness has danced us all down to the river, and left us there.
The Scotland that gets reflected back to us from our English controlled media through drama, entertainment, documentary or reporting in no way represents who we are, our plurality of experience or the range of our interests and concerns. In the absence of control over our own media the majority of our news and opinion comes via the ‘British’ media, filled of course with ‘British’ concerns. But England was always the dominant component of the British isles in terms of size, population and power. It was inevitable that over time that which was important to England would define what would become ‘British’ sensibilities. With the decline of their empire and UK entry into the EEC in 1973 the very concept of ‘Britishness’ has come under threat. Many of the things that happened over centuries to the Scots are now happening in decades to the English. The consequent confusion and struggle for identity that we in Scotland have been struggling with on and off for the best part of twelve hundred years has now become part of the English experience. And that experience, with all it’s attendant emotional crisis has been amplified through the ‘British’ media; and then on into a country where, as we’ve seen, the discussion of Scottish identity and it’s connection with a history of repression and thwarted nationhood has been greatly restricted.
Disconnected from our own history the lion has no voice, and now speaks through the mouth of St.George. The practical outcome of not promoting a Scottish identity is to promote a ‘British’ one. And for ‘Britain’; see ‘England’ – the English state. The Scottish people have been oppressed by the English state for over three centuries, and the English people have been oppressed by the English state for even longer.
Eeyore ye say, Northy? Maybe ye hae a point.
But I notice ye’ve carelessly left your questions unanswered. Just as ye’ve carelessly written yer entire post in the UK’s common language – the King’s English. Whoopsie!
But the day is yet young and you have all these empty hours stretching ahead to claim you were being rhetorical or not intending to be taken seriously. Jump to it.
Alert readers will no doubt observe that crushed as you are, starved of breath as you are by the vice-like grip of the coloniser clamped on your throat, the braying of your eeyore reduced to a faint, pathetic bleating as it is by the hated, soul-sooking English oppressor, you will nevertheless have the time, money and freedom to post mince on here all day.
Isn’t it great, Northy!
DANCE! DANCE TO THE TUNE OF MY CHOOSING, SLAVE!
A wis inspired tae scribble doun a poem… a’ve nae idea whit by – it juist popped intae ma heid fir some reason.
Dance! Dance! Dance!
Oh, sex-imprinted slave.
Parade and prance,
Flounce and flap,
And for my merriment scrawl some crap.
Throttle a tune, strangle a song,
Demolish a ditty,
And when yer done,
Ye might return…
Tae the hame where ye belang.
HINT: it isnae Pictavia… and maist likely niver wis.
This is just so desperately sad.
Once again, I’m the only one to respond to Northy’s attention seeking – his cry for help – his need for somebody to validate his existence.
So what, it’s Xmas, and a small act of charity costs me nowt. Still, I’m reminded of one of the eternal verities the colonists have drummed into us all:
A dog is for life.
Kudos to Northcode for introducing the esoteric concept of egrogores to BTL discourse, if for little else in his nativistic ramblings. It hasn’t of course occurred to the blut und boden squadristi in here that it isn’t that the Scots they purport to represent or speak on behalf of are oblivious to Scotland’s plight, they just think your post-colonial narrative is utter bullshit.
You and the congregation of the Colonial Theory faithful in here just can’t help yourselves: it isn’t enough for Scots to have an identity of their own, apparently they have different morals, codes of conduct, motives, ethics and spirituality, emotions and rituals.
No country, people or polity has a God given right to exist in perpetuity. History is replete with the ghosts of vanished states, peoples and languages, many within our own lifetimes. Perhaps the problem for Scots isn’t actually being oppressed or colonised, it’s just that they lack the moral, ethical, spiritual and emotional courage of their convictions?
The rituals and egrogores of Scotland’s ancient (and potentially future) statehood are apparently less important to the “community of the realm” than the quotidian realities of putting food on the table, ensuring decent public services, caring for the disadvantaged, creating and protecting jobs, making our education system better and protecting us from foreign threats.
None of this is exactly rocket science. The Scottish independence movement has quite simply signally failed to convince enough Scots that the route to ensuring better outcomes in all of those areas is via independence rather than staying in the union.
Until it does so, unionism and British nationalism has little to fear from the kind of Scottish nationalism represented by the current nationalist movement in Scotland which appears to be all mouth and trousers.
Unreasoning nativists can scream inchoately in to the void about claimed oppression and colonialism all they like, but in truth Scots aren’t doun hauden they’re just frit, as the Iron Lady used to term it.
Andy Ellis says:
21 December, 2025 at 4:09 pm
“One wonders if the Post Colonial Snake Oil Salesman in Chief Prof. Baird would define for us what an ethnic Scot is?”
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Michty me! Ah speir you hivnae PICT a fecht wi the wrang chiel!
Sorry-I’ll get my coat
Like any peoples language the Scots language plays ‘a vital role in shaping and defining ethnic identity’, serving as ‘a powerful cultural marker’, and ‘distinguishing one ethnic group from another’.
Which explains why the colonizer refuses to teach the language of the colonized. The aim of the colonizer is ‘cultural obliteration’ (Fanon). Loss of language leads to loss of identity, replaced by the cultural illusion of another identity.
@Alf
Have you considered translating the complete works of Fanon, Cesaire, Crivens and Jonesie into Scots?
That would really supercharge the gaining of traction for your ideas among the undoubted millions of ethnic Scots who neither speak, read nor understand English.
And no, I don’t want any share of the royalties. Treat the idea as if it is your very own.
Uh-oh. Franchise Fanny just stained it’s underwear after mentioning it’s Heroine.
It was popular in Scotchland right enough. Not.
“Unreasoning nativists can scream inchoately”
You mean like American Professor Michael Hechter in his detailed scientific analysis of the ‘UK Internal Colonialism Model’ in which he found that independence movements throughout the ‘Celtic Periphery’ “depended on the solidarity of the oppressed ethnic groups”. And whose peoples were subjected to “a cultural and ethnic division of labour” imposed on them by the colonizing power.
These ‘oppressed ethnic groups’, in case ye dinna ken, are the Scots, Irish and Welsh fowks. Hence oppression and ethnicity are always key features of colonial domination and exploitation.
Wha else wad there be tae dominate and exploit in anither annexed laund but the doun-hauden ethnic fowk wha bide thair!
I’ve always thought of the word ‘inchoately’ as being a particularly unhelpful word; a word with no clear and singularly defined meaning; a word used more to confuse than to illuminate.
I’ve always thought it a tricksy word used to feign a greater intellect than its users generally possess.
@Alf Baird 8.24pm
Like any peoples language the Scots language plays ‘a vital role in shaping and defining ethnic identity’, serving as ‘a powerful cultural marker’, and ‘distinguishing one ethnic group from another’.
Which rather begs the question why you insist on using the colonisers language Alf? Surely any self respecting native Scot would communicate solely in their own language, not that of their oppressor?
Passing strange that.
Of course, our Gaelic speaking friends are entitled to view both Scots and English as the languages of oppression and colonisation.
Still waiting on that definition of what constitutes an ethnic Scot Alf. Is it that you’re too embarrassed you’ll sound like a swivel eyed, blood and soil bigot when you define what constitutes the required level of ethnic purity, or is it just like troons when you ask them to define what a woman is, that you just can’t do it?
Of course, both is also an option.
“Surely any self respecting native Scot would communicate solely in their own language, not that of their oppressor?”
This.
100 upticks.
I invited out esteemed academic to translate the works of Mummi, Jonesie, Julius, etc. into Scots.
So that they become available to all the millions of ethnic Scots who have no grasp of the hated, lying tongue of the rapacious coloniser – English.
No response so far.
A colonist speaks… and, as usual, it speaks incomprehemsibeness… and Inglis its first lingo tae.
I shall deal with its points one by one.
First… and last as it happens.
I read as far as my braw moniker, Northcode, and then lost interest.
Not because of poor paragraph etiquette (paragraph use was fine), but because the collection of words following my braw moniker, Northcode, looked very, very, very boring – even from a distance.
I quickly spied some big multi-syllable words (one of them misspeelt) and decided that this colonist preferred style over sense, and that I’d be losing 5 seconds of my time if I read the entirety of its comment and wouldn’t gain any insight whatsoever into what it was babbling on aboot.
I can’t say “DANCE, SLAVE, DANCE!” for this colonist… yet – a single colonialist reply to a comment of mine does not an imprinted sex-bonded slave make.
I mispeeled incomprehemsibeness (I’m big enough to own my literary failures)… it should, of course, read as incomprehensibleness (which is an actual word).
“… does not an imprinted sex-bonded slave make.”
This is an example of another flower of rhetoric called Hyperbaton.
Made most famous by Dickie Lovelace (a 17th century porn star) who wrote in 1642 whilst banged up in the nick and pining for his girlfriend, “Stone walls do not a prison make, Nor iron bars a cage…”
Which is nonsense, because stone walls and iron bars definitely do make a prison.
A great response Northcode!
Xmas almost being upon us, I won’t be so cruel as to ask you to show your working and thus justify your verdict.
After all, you failed in even the simple task of attaching your verdict to the correct comment!
Thanks, diabloandco.
Imprinted sex-bonded slaves are a guid laugh (I think James acquired some to play with, too).
I wrote a poem about them.
You will be arrested for that.
How does one deploy a Diacope in a sentence?
A Diacope is a flower… a flower of rhetoric.
Some folk call them figures of rhetoric, but I prefer the horticultural description.
Diacope was made famous by a thuggish (and pretty thick in my opinion) English spy… who wasn’t all that brilliant at the spying malarky because EVERYONE – ABSOULTELY EVERYONE ON EARTH – and their dugs, anaw, knew his name.
“Bond, James Bond,” said James Bond in a rather up himself diacope-style fashion trying to impress some bird in a casino who was in turn trying tae tap him for some cash (they putted on a hotel room carpet later for some fun).
Why am I writing of the Diacope flower?
Because I wanted to do this:
“DANCE, SLAVE, DANCE!” commanded Northcode, deploying an exceptionally clever floral diacope wrapped in an exceptionally clever wee comment.
BOOM!
RHETORIC RULES, YA BASS
Why, oh, why (anyone know what this sweetly scented thing is?) do the colonists on here come across as being a tad thuggish?
No offence intended to colonists… merely a layman’s observation.
Maybe it’s a writing style, a technique, a laddish grammar taught in English state schools and nothing more… or maybe they’re just thugs.
Who knows?
William of Occam does, with an inexorable inevitability, leap to the mind, though.
The responses BTL from the usual suspects tend to give the lie to your assertion though Northy. We all know (because we can read) that the thuggish element in here is overwhelmingly situated amongst the nativits moonhowling contingent.
Happily some of the worst offenders no longer seem to soil BTL commentary, or have just (finally) been banned by Rev Stu in exasperation. The foul mouthed schemie contingent can hardly be viewed as an ornament to this site, or to the movement we are unhappily obliged to share with them. Doubtless ’twas ever this in any mass movement: it’s often the case that the vocabulary of the hard of thinking is on par with their ability to frame an argument.
It doesn’t take a grammar school education to figure that one out.
DANCE, SLAVE, DANCE!
Yet another imprinted sex-bonded colonist to add to my entourage of sex-bonded colonists.
Dan has the Franchise Fanny nailed with all his grandiose sounding pish, a proud Scot BUT who has returned to Jockland to escape the hordes of boat people or is it just that his engerlish in laws and engerlish family are sick of paying exorbitant prescription charges and expensive council tax charges , and now that his elderly in laws are needing more medication it made sense to move here and sponge from Scots taxpayers
ALL us real Scots enjoy the cringing wannabe engerlish poseurs desperate to show their contempt of Scots and Scotland to their maisters but unfortunately their maisters despise them even more because they are contemptable CRINGERS
@Twat – a pre-paid prescription certificate for 12 months in England is £114.50. Someone earning £100k a year (comfortable, but hardly wealthy) pays an eye watering £3,300 extra in income tax every year. So a professional couple could easily be £7/8k a year worse off coming from South of the border. People like yourself defend this, and then simultaneously moan about jobs and industries disappearing. You voted for that to happen mate, own it.
@Aidan
It’s overwhelmingly likely that none of the usual suspects pay any taxes, being well past the age when they can productively do anything for Scotland.
As to their younger years, a casual look at their typical posts suggests they could never have done anything useful then either. The contempt for those working for minimum wage we see on other threads tells us we are dealing with the sort who spent their lives gaming the system, hands outstretched for freebies, laughing at the losers who work.
Given that background and context, it’s pointless to attempt to engage any of the usual suspects on tax, benefits, etc. They’ve never had to engage before, it’s always been a Magic Money Tree for them, so why would they take an interest now?
Ironically, given the fiscal drag trap Reeves will shortly be springing on Scottish pensioners, they’re gonna be paying tax in 2026! Can you imagine the squeals and howls of agonised protest we’re gonna see in here?
It’s gonna be better than a Netflix subscription!
A braw chortle at young unionist Aidan whining about the demise of industries in Scotland.
Sad to see such a blinkered mind that fails to see the bigger picture and understand that there’s a reason British Leyland aren’t competitive in rallying with an Allegro WRC…
But what could it be… Maybe a tune will help give a hint…
Big Country – Steeltown (with good vid)
link to youtube.com
And the ever-present bawbag Hatey John Main Hateface highlighting the unproductiveness to Scotland of some on here, whilst failing to grasp that him posting endless shit isn’t particularly productive to Scotland or even his own sad existence.
@Hatey
“… As to their younger years, a casual look at their typical posts suggests they could never have done anything useful then either. The contempt for those working for minimum wage we see on other threads tells us we are dealing with the sort who spent their lives gaming the system, hands outstretched for freebies, laughing at the losers who work.
Given that background and context, it’s pointless to attempt to engage any of the usual suspects on tax, benefits, etc. They’ve never had to engage before, it’s always been a Magic Money Tree for them, so why would they take an interest now?’
I know you’re absolutely on the money here, Hatey, and part of me is disappointed that I let myself be wound up by such individuals. Thing is, though, I truly abhor anyone having the temerity to look down on anyone who works hard, in thankless, difficult conditions, for minimal pay – let alone when it’s someone who spends their days sat on their sofa, letting others pick up their tab?
That really, really does stick in my craw.
“A braw chortle at young unionist Aidan whining about the demise of industries in Scotland.”
Aw, look at old Dan, thinking the demise of UK heavy industry is explained by some (crap) old pop song from an 80s band that most people have forgotten about, if they ever knew them in the first place. Yeah, “braw” reference material, Dan. Heck, I bet Aidan is trembling at the sight of your intellectual prowess.
FYI I actually worked in industry in the early 80s, saw first hand the appalling state of it – not just at the place where I happened to work (and got made redundant from in ’85), but umpteen other (much larger) industrial sites like Swindon rail works, with men en masse and openly sleeping on the job by their machines, and the management guy (supposedly in charge) telling my boss, the Drawing Office manager and myself “not to say anything”. At 16 years of age, the look on my face must’ve been a picture.
I can tell you the demise of UK manufacturing was down to a number of factors, including awful “them and us” style antiquated UK management (too many privately-educated twats without a clue, least of all in terms of manufacturing or indeed man management, or business acumen), a propensity to always go for a quick buck; try to get ancient tooling and machinery to go unreplaced and not maintained properly; massive oil revenue boosting the Pound as a currency, making UK exports uncompetitive (as we were an oil-producing nation). Michael Edwards (CEO of British Leyland) once said we were “better off leaving the black stuff (oil) in the bloody ground”, and you could see his point.
However, the overriding factor – whether you choose to believe it or not (and it’s no doubt the latter, being an utterly blindsided and politically blinkered embittered simpleton) – is the UNIONS did for the UK. Strike after strike, a gun held to the country’s head, year in and year old, emasculated governments brought to their knees time and again. Similar to now (with Labour again in charge), massive brain drain – hordes of talented young people emigrating to more fertile, lucrative shores, and who could blame them. If ever the phrase “cut your nose to spite your face” could be more apt, I’m not aware of it.
I’ve seen and heard first hand the DEFAULT utter contempt held for anyone seen to be in “management”; it is ingrained into you from Day One, taught almost as religion. If we compare these dire working culture and practices to vastly more successful economies of the time, principally Japan (a country with little or no natural resources whatsoever), it’s chalk and cheese. Managers and workers – same canteen etc., the MD sat with fitters eating lunch.
Yes, investment is vital, as is a level playing field for trade – but anyone who says that ingrained grievance (ring any bells?), ideology, attitudes and working practices aren’t just as important has never been there.
If you don’t even understand the problem (and/or are too dishonest to face it square on, because it doesn’t chime with whatever slavish, lifelong, moribund political ideology or other), you’re not coming up with the solution. Ergo, you’re part of the problem, not the solution – get out of the way.
The bigger picture Dan is that the only thing you seem to be in favour of is highest taxes on working people yet this is one of the main reasons Scotland, the U.K. and Western Europe are in the doldrums compared to so many other places in the world. As Hatey points out, it seems very easy for those who enjoyed lower taxes through their working years to then vote to impose high taxes on those of us working now from the comfort of their paid off houses.
No issues with you enjoying the fruits of your labor, more power to you! But please consider when we’ve got to shell out a figure starting with an 8 or 9 to own a nice flat in a good area, unless you’re genuinely poor I think paying for your own prescriptions isn’t too much to ask rather than asking people in work paying a marginal tax rate of 65%!
Thank you for your attention in this matter.
“…I actually worked in industry in the early 80s…”
LOL. Aye,right.
“Bawbag”, eh, Dan?
Let me guess – you’ve packed in the calls for productive dialogue on here as part of your personal Xmas observances.
TBQFH, I’ve long considered that your abandoning of your self-appointed position as guardian of Scotland’s “free lecky” mirage is down to my intensely productive insistence that you’ve been whistling Dixie oot yer arse every time you raise the subject.
And that more than justifies my existence on here to me.
Aidan says at 2:09 pm
“The bigger picture Dan is that the only thing you seem to be in favour of is highest taxes on working people yet this is one of the main reasons Scotland, the U.K. and Western Europe are in the doldrums compared to so many other places in the world.”
Oh do fuck off with yer contrived pish you Johnny come lately trolling prick. Jeez, I’ve about a decade’s worth of posts on here on a myriad subjects and that’s the best you can come up with.
Go reboot your AI assistant to garner a more accurate picture of what I am and am not supportive of.
It’s not my choice, but taxation unfortunately needs to be high to pay for shite ideas like those fucking Edinburgh trams you’re such a fan of.
And also to pay for all the public sector gravy boat parasites doing non-jobs.
If we had more industries that were run competently and in a more equitable manner for those that work in them, then we would likely be in a far better place.
How quick you forget, though, as we touched on industry, Japan, and other aspects jist a couple of months back.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Nae luck for you with the house prices young lad. But you want all of us to continue living under the crap London Rule governance that controls the main levers of the economy, and which steered the housing market to the point young wise-ass fucks like you are paying ridiculous prices for a house. So best suck it up.
Almost had to step in and buy a house last week for my nephew because the banks are still complete arseholes, even though he has worked diligently in positions of responsibility in the transport industry for almost two decades.
Of course, other options for you and the rest of us are available if you’ll open your mind a bit.
There are fuck loads of unused land around me, owned and land-banked by the “elite” you want to keep in control. There are entire valleys virtually uninhabited, yet a shitey wee plot cost 100k if you can get planning permission granted.
Aye, maybe spend less of your time arguing the toss with this “auld git” on the internet, and instead aim your focus and frustration on those that actually created the situation you find yourself existing in; For they are the true gatekeepers that control and chain you. Not me.
“decade’s worth of posts on here on a myriad subjects”
Sure, Dan. I don’t doubt that.
Just as I don’t doubt you’ve several decades of tribally voting for the charlatans, chancers and nutters that are responsible for all of Scotland’s devolved ills.
And by their cack-handedness in fucking up the bread-and-butter issues within their control, have convinced a majority of Scots that no way should they ever be unleashed on the big stuff.
Such as the economy, currency, foreign affairs, defense, etc.
So much easier to rant and rail at other posters on here, Dan, than it is to ever fess up to your own responsibility for the shitfest that is Scotland in 2025/26.
Let me guess. When a majority of Scots tribal voters go out next May to return the SNP for yet another 5 years of malfeasance in office, that won’t be anything to do with either you, Dan, or the other Wings BTL usual suspects.
Naw, not believing that. That smashes the BS meter to fragments.
Jesus fuck, if I’d wanted to hear from an arsehole, I’d have farted. But what a sad little bot twat you are John. Programmed to stick your neb into everything.
And as usual, you’d be wrong that I am responsible for the current “Scottish” Administration of Devolved Powers. I’ve even stated my past voting record on here, so be more alert you poundshop bot.
Sure, Dan, you’ve stated a lot of things, in between the insults, the hair-trigger rants and the potty-mouthed childishness.
And maybe there are a few dunderheids who would accept your claim that during the halcyon years of YES, when the saltire wavers were marching up and down, and putting away gallons in the pubs afterwards, you were aye the principled contrarian voting for somebody else or maybe even abstaining on ideological purity grounds.
But I say bullshit.
Your every post betrays your desperate need to be part of the tribe, to pay lip service to the shibboleths, to bow down before the same sacred cows, as without the affirmation of the tribe you would be utterly lost.
John Bot sounds a bit weary and lacking in accuracy as it churns out more drivel.
A quick refresher, perhaps…
The old SNP when it gained some power in Holyrood ran a reasonably competent devolved administration, and much of that decent legacy of work is still what makes Scotland different from England. I didn’t agree with all of it, particularly the focus on Uni education, as I would have preferred more effort on promoting practical vocations and apprenticeships.
But it can’t be all bad up here, because if it is so shite with unbearably high taxation, then why are quite so many English still moving up here, and inflating the housing prices and pricing out of the market folk like poor young Aidan…
Then came the Indy Ref, with all manner of pish being banded about to influence the outcome, then the Sturgeon clique took over the reins as NuSNP forms, then “Brexit”, and then the pretty much total kyboshing of just about any sensible initiative came to follow.
So yes, people in the past have voted for the SNP, then briefly for the NuSNP to force the material change in circumstances mandate to re-ask whether Scotland should return to self-governing status, but the utter capitulation of a clearly owned Sturgeon in her early 2019 speech was pretty much it for many.
It seems all parties morph into something else over time. I know exLabour, and ExConservatives that are disgusted with what the Parties they once supported have become.
I attended many AUOB marches but was generally marshalling on bus groups, or on my bike with YES Bikers, and I am not a big drinker so wrong again with your utterly woeful efforts to tar march attendees as big drinkers.
You are just a pathetic little bot shit.
Raising taxation in Scotland and diverging from other areas of the UK was always going to be on the cards, with the inevitable consequences that would bring.
Alan Bissett had that pretty much nailed in 2013 in this 2 min vid.
link to youtube.com
“Why, oh, why… do the colonists on here come across as being a tad thuggish?”
Maybe because ‘colonialism is force’ (Fanon), depends on ‘cultural domination’ (Freire), involves ‘hateful racism’ (Cesaire) and is the ‘root of fascism’ (Memmi).
Try posting “Bairns Not Bombs”.
Works every time.
You will notice Alf that as soon as the Franchise Fanny rolls up with his usual round of progressive poncy mangled pish the assorted yoonionists and their fellow proud Scots BUT CRINGERS all roll out to assist and protect their fellow yoonionist
WEE hatey MacFuckwit , Aydun Fuckall , private shopfloor all trying to make out that they are all good middle class capitalists who will celebrate if Reform get into power , breaking news yir pal nige is only interested in nige and what he can fleece out of you gullible wankers , so make hay while ye can cause he’s gonny shaft yeese
“I’ve been on the shop floor and it is the workers and the unions to blame for BRITAINS problems” aye right ya fuckin muppet
History is replete with the ghosts of vanished States.
So it is,
No more Succession to the Hanoverian dynasty since 1901, No treaty of union with Scotland since 1800.
And the entirely different parliament and State of Anglo- Ireland.
The once great britain empire of England /Scotland, a ghost State retained only as a wanted memory , the whispers of a ghost State now gone after its dissolution, switched for new loyalties and alliance’s in 1800.
For a English Irish parliament and the Queen of England and Ireland cannot fit that Humpty dumpty parliament again,
Perhaps Scots do not wish to replace pretend union for the civic nations kind of union,
Some information omitted perhaps on purpose is that when you dissolve the GB parliament treaty 1800 you dissolve the monarch from that treaty agreement,
And then succeed from GB parliament as the parliament of England.
To make treaties as a English parliament.
With Ireland,
To become the parliament of England/Ireland,
And a entirely different legally construction entity,
That is unable to rejoin the as the [same legal construct entity] that had left the GB parliament.
And had left the legal treaty construction with Scotland that create the GB parliament State,
The English- Irish parliament has no legal Status over re-opening or Continuing the dissolved GB parliament created State,
Or with Scotland.
As it now Acts as the English/Irish parliament. With the monarch as the monarch of England and Irelands kingdoms.
No longer joined with the old kingdom of Scotland since the dissolution of the 1707 treaty in 1800.
Westminster parliament of England and Ireland simply pretended through deceit and lies it was the same legal construction and legal entity as had dissolved the the Great Britain parliament.
It was not,
It was now the parliament of England and Ireland.
You need to get over that or you will not go forward.
And there was me drinking Guinness with the Irish. It all went well until I happened to mention I was a St Mirren supporter and I thought Socialism was a disease.
I think that qualifies you to play for Ireland’s national football team if not outright for Irish citizenship Mark. Odd isn’t it that the native born “real Scots” the nativists are so obsessed with haven’t had the gumption to deliver independence despite constituting >80% of the population.
Far easier of course for them to bloviate about colonialism and oppression than to just admit the outcome is adequately explained by that killer combination of “I’m alright Jock” political laziness and lack of moral courage.
Well God Bless you sir. Merry Christmas.My Grandfather would be proud of that.
Stained bedsheets, there? Careful, lads.
Calm doon, James, and hauld oot fer jist a couple mair days.
Ye’re certain tae get new socks fer Xmas, even if ye hae tae buy them yersel.
Mind tae dig deep and buy the kind that winna chafe yer bell end.
Unless that’s actually yer bag 🙂
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Hi Stuart,
I see the Scot-Goes-Splat fundraiser Jimmy McGrifty has now gone full stalker mode with his obsession about you.
His jealousy at your ability to write properly researched articles and his avarice that you can raise hundreds of thousands of pounds, whilst he can’t crowdfund a bus fare, never mind enough to buy THAT rotting, waste of cash, SNP minibus, has pushed Wee Jimmy McStalker a blog-too-far.
He has got stuck again, as usual, once those who pity him have been fleeced. The past week his Definitely-Last-Final-Web-Blog-Fundraiser hit the wall at £891.
Disturbingly, he has taken to hanging his underwear from the curtain rails in his mingin’ clarty bedroom and wonky shelves along with the ironic poundland photo of Titanic on his wall. Thank goodness no one has invented smellyvision as the honk aff o’ that midden dweller is palpable.
The other thing that has an aroma is Jimmy Kelly de Smelly’s fundraising.
The previous fundraiser he advertised, was to pay specifically for his PSEPHOLOGICAL blog alive. But for which he obtained has pecuniary advantage by spending that money on SNP-style bus tickets to go on a holiday because it made him feel better. The fact yon dodgy wanabee Wings copycat (in fundraising terms and readership numbers) has used the SNP minibus ownership political business model from “woven” £600,000 cash raised by public subscription and then “weave” those funds on things explicitly NOT in the crowdfunding prospectus, is a grey area for Jimmy McGrifty.
Newsflash Jimmy, here’s the real story – the law is like pregnancy. Ye cannae get a wee bit pregnant.
The holiday Jimmy McGrifty spent his gullible funders’ money on is competent for legal inquiry.
But here’s the thing I could do help with please Stuart. Your stalker Jimmy McGrifty has a current fundraiser ongoing. It is for his PSEPHOLOGICAL web blog. Then he posts a weird photo/selfie with him as a paid-up member of the SNP and evidenced thus, by a cheap laminated POLITICAL “Delegate” sign around his neck!
Jimmy McGrifty then talks about how he, as a member of the SNP has been elected to an SNP political committee.
James C. Kelly is publicly raising funds for a heavily advertised PSEPHOLOGICAL website.
Yet he appears to be using those funds to pay for webserver space and all the other internet costs (and possibly his transport and political subsistence costs) as a small time politician looking for higher political office on the Holyrood Gravy Train FROM funds he advertised as being raised for his PSEPHOLOGICAL web blog.
Besides this, there are LAWS for would-be politicians about where there money comes from. He may fly below certain fund declaration limits, but he seems woefully ignorant of the law on thus. As most sentient beings know: “Ignorance of the law is no excuse.”
So here is my question:-
Is James C. Kelly breaking the law? Specifically…
Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000?
Source: link to legislation.gov.uk
I just counted 7 (alleged) infractions of what naughty wee Jimmy The Janny is (allegedly) breaching.
Stuart it is obvious Jimmy McGrifty is trying to parasitically leach readers from your massive website by his creepy efforts to manufacture a dispute or web-war or “debate” with you.
But the evidence is ample that James C. kelly has been and continues to crowdfund on the prospectus of a PSEPHOLOGICAL website, when he is repeatedly pulling an Operation Twigform SNP money weaving facsimile, smoke and mirrors malfeasance of PUBLIC FUNDRAISING, some of which he has admitted in his McCringe Vlogs IS going to his political career in the SNP.
Stuart, surely Jimmy McGrifty SHOULD be placing the appropriate LEGALLY REQUIRED caveats on all of his fundraising publications as required by the:-
Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000.
Just sayin’.
All you need to know about Judge Kemp is very public: Read his 2020 book. It proves sexism and classism. In his book he quotes over 20 people, but only ONE woman! And it’s no ordinary woman: it’s an upper-class author, born into land gentry in Oxford. He even quotes London underground and a cartoon character (fictional male cowboy toy) but not a single woman who isn’t from a very rich family. Sexism and classism can be unconscious bias that many people are, sadly, not even aware of it themselves. In views of such people, doctors and top NHS managers are to be trusted, but nurses are usually from working-class backgrounds, so they are not as trustworthy. All rulings made by this Judge in last 10 years should be carefully reviewed and scrutinised. Given that there is currently only one male employment judge in Dundee, all women (especially working-class ones) living in the area are screwed. The fact that him (or his assistants) also use AI to generate judgement texts (without checking that certain quotes really exist) is also very alarming.
Something to read and mull over.
link to angrypict.substack.com
A fascinating article, Dan. As you say, much to mull over in it.
If only Wings BTL provided a forum where adults could maturely discuss and debate stuff like this. What fascinating dialogues we could have.
How much we could all learn.
“What fascinating dialogues we could have”
Here’s some dialogue for you (really more a command):
“DANCE!”
Dance tae whitiver tune us Scots on here choose fir ye.
Dance for our entertainment.
Dance for our amusement.
“DANCE! DANCE! DANCE!”
An dinnae stap til ye’ve been telt… slave.
Hey, Northy, you’ve succeeded in conveying a real sense of hysteria through your prose.
If it’s genuine, and not just another of your affectations, get help.
“If only Wings BTL provided a forum where adults could maturely discuss and debate stuff like this. What fascinating dialogues we could have.”
Are you not happy with the barracks John boy are they not falling for your line of constant pish , maybe you would feel better being posted to yoo crane where you could play at sodjers wi kid on guns
This country stinks from the SNP to the judiciary and just about every where else .I never imagined Scotland would evolve into the country it has become.
Yes, and the stink of “colonialism …drives the most peaceable populations to despair” (Cesaire)
Aside from the obligatory racism and barbarism, Cesaire informs us that colonialism evolved into “psychoanalysis embellished with existentialism (where): the most down-at-the-heel cliches are re-soled for you and made good as new; the most absurd prejudices are explained and justified; and, as if by magic, the moon is turned into green cheese.”
Basically, a colonized (i.e. ‘dependent’) people can be made to believe any illusion their oppressor tells them, for example: that Scotland is a ‘partner’ in a UK ‘Union’ and not an annexed dependency; that there is a ‘Scottish’ Government, which is not a puppet colonial administration; that a man can be a wumman; or even that Swinney has ‘a plan’ for independence.
All of which confirms the ‘colonial hoax’ (Fanon) which dominates Scottish minds and that they remain doun-hauden each and every day.
Yet another excellent and informative post, Alf.
Personally, I’m sick of swallowing Westminster’s green and mouldy moon cheese.
An observation:
Is my reading comprehension beginning to fail me, or are the colonialists who roam aboot this place showing signs of desperation in their efforts to convince us Scots that the ‘union’ is the best thing since sliced black puddin’?
I get the sense that the colonialists know – feel is perhaps a more fitting word – that the jig is up and their game is lost.
I know there is considerable work yet to be done, but as we trudge our weary way towards Scotland’s liberation I sense a renewed hope among the Scots I meet in passing and in casual conversation… a subdued and quiet hope to be sure, but I believe the new green of hope’s early shoots is beginning to show.
Our country is being stolen from benief our feet.
Check out the ablest prejudice from Beggan. To him, the differently abled really do not exist.
There’s a Viz cartoon called Harold and Fred, about NHS Fife
Rather disappointing to hear that about Viz.
I would have expected that more than half of every Viz issue could be “inspired” by the lunacy going on in Scotland, and more than half of their Xmas Annual too.
A rare opportunity for Auld Scotia tae punch well above its weight, cruelly denied by the oppressive, hated, alien colonialists of Viz, as they cartoon in the lying language of the coloniser. Nae doot in insulting cod Scots tae – ordinary English wurds misspelled tae mak them look lik an authenteek language.
Exactly as predicted by the theories of Jonesie, Julius and Mummy.
Mair car park mayhem in mos cow. Some cant must have cut up some other cant at a junction and it must have escalated from there.
Dinna succumb tae pre-Xmas pressures, fowks, so that you end up driving like a cant. Remain considerate and courteous at all times behind the wheel.
Ye dinna want tae come hame frae yer Xmas shopping trip in a big box. Or several small boxes, like the mos cow boy.
Guid mornyng aw… A howp ye aw hae a guid Monday day the day.
I understand the unionist mind to try keep us voting for a construct that is not there, to keep us in a loop.
And for us to continuing their ideal plan to the letter, falsify the treaty,, to fake and cover up that Scotland has no escape and no way out, and that it ( Scotland) is bound to a treaty,…whilst Englands parliament is not,
But the reality is that there should not be a active English parliament at all, after 1707 if you wish for the union of parliaments,
But England has dissolved the Scottish Parliament from the treaty of union Great Britain parliament
Twice now.
Once (prior ) to parliament of GB opening date, which made the monarch the monarch of England and parliament,of england …… so no union.
and secondly when The parliament of GB was dissolved in 1800,
Union minded do wish their is a point in history that binds Scotland to England,
But
That that same thread does not bind England to Scotland.
So they down play it and down into the wokery story telling that is saved only for Scotlands side of history.
The problem for England and Scotland is the stories don’t match. Of their being a binding union forever after
The two parliaments?
The two sets of English peers?
The two kingdom’s in union .
the one monarch constitution and the one people constitution.
England has a Solo parliament still today,
Scotland does not,
England has a Kingdom.
Scotland does not according to England,
The parliamentary union never was from day one,
The kingdom union never was from day one.
And the two entirely different Constitutions and laws could not meld together in a union under a crown.
There never was a queen Elizabeth 11 of Scotland. Just pretend,
But the parliament of England and Ireland retain the propaganda lies,
I do understand England wanting the treaty of union to be real and binding upon Scotland,
But not real or binding on England.
That England did not need a referendum to leave the treaty of union in 1800,
But peculiarly Scotland needs a referendum no matter the date time or year,
Scotland does need to wake up, there are years of back reparations, long before two world wars
,
Indeed so, James, and in addition, there is plenty of evidence of bribery and coercion involved at the time which also makes any treaty invalid.
These facts plus Professor Black’s case (unlawful annexation) and the evidence from Salvo and Liberation Scotland that the Act of Union has never been implemented (still twa crouns, nae ane) provide a strong and urgent case for a Scottish court to opine on the fraud whereby Westminster (i.e. England) continues to unlawfully impose its laws, taxes and domination on Scots.
The daeless SNP has been ideally positioned to undertake such a task for almost two decades, had they not been ‘co-opted by colonialism’ and misunderstood that independence means decolonization.
“Scotland does need to wake up…”
She surely does, James.
Her bedside alarm is now ringing, at least, and I believe she’s slowly beginning to stir from her deep, nightmarish sleep and recover her senses.
England did not need a referendum to leave the treaty of union in 1800.
But Scotland does need a referendum throughout time,
And yet there is no parliamentary union,
No monarchy union.
No territory union.
Only the ghost of England’s parliaments Story telling of make believe sitting around the camp fire, but as new daylight dawns…..
One day Scotland Will understand the power of a ghost story that fades when light shines on it.
The Union remembers and fears the day coming in and shining a light over the treaty,
It fears that Scotland will be able to see it for what it is in clear pure daylight
.
they are here for a reason of their own, on this site trying to hang the tattered drapes back up, and close those curtains, to prevent the light piercing the dark corners.
Foul language restrained in writing is a sad and pathetic sight to behold.
Foul language by its nature is wild and untamable.
Foul language caged is like the sorry sight of a captured tiger pacing its prison in a zoo.
Such language cannot be tamed and still be expected to make a sentiment more intense.
So never, never write cant when one means cunt.
Never write f**k when one means fuck.
Asterisks are the cruel knife used by chained and obtuse minds to spay foul words and render them useless… reducing them to the caged and pacing shadows of what were once magnificent beasts of the wild.
Oh dear, Northy.
If there are any psychologists reading here they’ll be in no doubt about what ails you.
Get help before somebody gets hurt.
Just caught up with Led by Donkeys projection on Windsor castle – nice work!!
And Nicola Jennings cartoon in the Guardian – also nice work!
Alf Baird.
Even with the trickery, bribery and deceit it must be remembered that the Scottish participation was only set into domestic and ratified as Scots law,law, in Scotland.
And that it was the monarch of England and the parliament of England that ratified both Scots domestic law into English law,
and then ratified Englands side prior to a union,
The fact the monarch had been the monarch of England since 1702 by succession and that England did not share a monarch with Scotland,
And of course the dodgy fact that England Claimed the monarch of England was the monarch of Scotland also it was a shared monarch from England apparently unbeknown to Scotland.
But the Stuart line ended, the Hanoverian line ended,
The monarch is still the monarch of monarch of England sitting in the parliament of England united with the kingdom of Ireland.
You cannot make a union with Scotland after dissolving the union. After changing your legal entity construct & becoming a new parliament entirely.
And not negotiating a new treaty with Scotland.
Which The Anglo – Irish parliament did not do.
Today Westminster parliament is a united kingdom of England and Ireland, and the monarch of United kingdoms of England and Ireland.
link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com
“Exploring Sovereignty in Scotland”
David McCrone Michael Keating
“The largest proportion in the sample, 30 per cent are ‘Scottish sovereigntists’, those who agree that people in Scotland have the right to decide, and who disagree that the Brexit result should be accepted.
‘British unionists’, those rejecting Scots’ right of self-determination, and who agree that they should accept Brexit, represent 10 per cent. If we exclude ‘neither’ in these calculations (15 per cent of the sample), ‘Scottish sovereigntists’ rise to 40 per cent, and ‘unionists’ to 13 per cent. These results are broadly comparable to our previous findings derived from BES 2019, where the proportions were 40 per cent, and 18 per cent, respectively….”
“…Among Scottish sovereigntists:
As many as 54 per cent accept sharing a currency with the remaining UK (rUK) post-independence (46 per cent want a Scottish currency);
41 per cent accept sharing armed forces with rUK (58 per cent want Scotland to have its own armed forces);
43 per cent of Scottish sovereigntists accept UK spending in Scotland in areas usually decided by Scottish government (such as schools, roads and hospitals).
On immigration, 31 per cent (almost a third) think the rules should be same in Scotland as rUK in context of independence.
Among British unionists, similarly, we also find crossovers:
On taxes, only 36 per cent think the UK should decide all taxes; with 19 per cent that all taxes should be decided by Scottish government (SG). A further 32 per cent of unionists think that some taxes should be decided by UKG and some by SG, while a further 13 per cent that they should be decided jointly;
On welfare benefits, only 30 per cent of unionists think that all benefits should be decided by UKG, with 19 per cent of unionists that they should all be decided by SG, 29 per cent jointly (by UKG and SG together), and 23 per cent that some should be decided by SG, and others by UKG);
On who should have right to decide on a second independence referendum, 30 per cent of unionists believed it should be made by both UKP and SP together, and only a bare majority (54 per cent) by UKP alone;
One-third of unionists think that the UK Parliament should not make laws in devolved fields, although the UK government sees this as a key principle of its new unionism.
The findings show that, even on the polar positions of Scottish sovereigntists and British unionists, there is considerable nuance and complexity, such that the former are willing to accept sharing with the UK, even post-independence, while unionists accede that many decisions should be the responsibility of the Scottish level of government. Unsurprisingly, semi-sovereigntists are more likely to be in favour of shared decision making, but it is the fact that among Scottish sovereigntists and British unionists there is considerable support for either sharing or that the ‘other government’ should make key decisions which is most striking…”
That was 2021…
Good one, Sam.
“Sovereigntists”. Like it.
Throwing a spelling error though. “Sovereign tits” doesn’t, so perhaps that’s what the author boy meant all along.
Where’s Xaracen to provide an arbitrated verdict? He’s always been bigging up his Sovereignty.
North Code,
Scotland does need to wake up, and pretty quick,
If England claims only Scotland is bound by the pre- terms and Pre- conditions and article of the 1707 treaty of union, the it is not alterable.
And Scotland would retain its Countries religion with no sharia religion, or any other region other than stated,
Scotland would maintain its Claim of Right.
Scotland would retain its original burghs.
Scotland would retain its private rights of is people.
Scotland would retain its kingdom like England, to be united kingdom..S
And Scots law would be retained as it was prior to the treaty as Stated,
And Englands Westminster parliament could not have confiscated the Scottish royal Mint so long as the coinage value was the same,
There would be No Bank of England in or covering Scotland, as that was not a stated Article in Scotlands side of the treaty.
Juies in Scotland would continue.
Freedom of Speech would continue.
There would be No Scottish national trust covering vast acres of Scotland,
There would be no green energy policies in Scotland,
There would be No BBC,
There would be no conjoined land register with England
Because all these since dissolved 1800, now come under the Crown of England and Ireland treaty,
Not the 1707 Scotland England treaty,
England politics is in a mess, still more so than Scotlands while the 1800 England and Ireland parliament have been running Scotland illegally,
And those that believed in the 1707 treaty of union being binding on Scotland ONLY need to wake up as much as Scotlands people,
One choice,
The treaty is binding on both Countries or on neither,
So Scotland does not need to vote for independence from the treaty, just like England went Solo in 1800.
When England went Solo as an English parliament in 1800 so did Scotland,
When the monarch of England went Solo resting in the parliament and government of England in 1800,
so did Scotland,
As those united but now dissolved parliaments that was once known as the the United parliament of Great Britain had separated ways with the dissolution,
So what merit or and non legal status do the SNP have, or any other political party sitting in a devolved governance from England and Irelands parliament,
Besides breaching the treaty of union itself by concocting more than one Parliament of Great Britain,
Westminster parliament in England moved forward as a (separate parliament entity ) from the 1707 treaty great britain parliament .
And did not return as the Great britain parliament,
Once the Actions of Westminster parliament in 1800 are understood throughly , we can understand that referendums are not needed to dissolve the treaty of union,
And that what became good enough for the goose, automatically became good for the gander as a default clause to leave the treaty of union,
And Scotland left the treaty officially in 1800. Thanks to the parliament of England,
For Christ’s sake !
Will ye just shut up woman and pit ma dinner on !
You’ll eat and enjoy the traditional denner (not dinner) of True Scots everywhere: mince.
North Briton`s Judges,everyone a public school twonk,
Craig Murray was jailed by Judge for eight months for contempt of court for wrong kind of journalism,
Carmichael case Judge said he lied but didn`t lie,
Coulson`s perjury during Sheridan trial, Judge ruled perjury wasn`t illegal although Tommy got three years for perjury.
Campbell against Dugdale, Judges admitted she defamed but wasn`t deliberate cause she is too stoopit..
Alf Baird says:
21 December, 2025 at 2:05 pm
Hatey, I assume you have good reason for suggesting that ethnic Scots should not run their own country?
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The elections are in May – can Alf or anyone else name 65 candidates (to achieve a majority) in the same party that have 65 ethnic Scots?
It sound racist to me.
600 MPs of other national identities and ethnicities in Westminster force their laws (and culture, institutions etc) on Scotland.
Which explains why colonialism is defined as ‘hateful racism’ (Cesaire). And why ‘ethnic oppression’ is ever present (i.e. institutionalised) throughout the ‘Celtic Periphery’ within the ‘UK Internal Colonialism Model’ (Hechter).
Which also helps explain the persecution of Nurse Peggie and many other native Scots speakers in a colonial (i.e. oppressive / doun-hauden) setting and society dominated by an Anglophone cultural hegemony.
Hechter, eh? Another new one. Is that the same Hechter that forms a sept of the Clan McFarlane?
Haha, just my wee joke.
Just out of interest, Alf, how many of your Fanon, Cesaire, Hechter, etc. are indigenous Scots speaking Scots as their “mither tung”?
It’s just that I’d hate to be the one to point out that you seem to have fallen prey to the mind games and adopted the foreign mind sets of the alien, intellectual colonisers.
How can you claim to be striving for genuine Scottish indigenous purity of culture when all the ideas you promote come from foreigners?
Thanking you in advance for your considered reply.
Sadly Hatey the days when Voltaire famously observed that “We look to Scotland for all our ideas of civilzation” are long gone. Of course the praise was directed more at the select band of Scottish Enlightenment figures like Hume, Smith and Hutcheson than being a glowing recommendation of Scottish society and either it’s moral state or how progressive or backward it was relative to Ancien Regime France.
One does have to wonder however whether the Scottish Enlightenment that Voltaire and others so admired was actually a product of the beastly colonisers and enthusiastic Scottish unionists that so many of the usual suspects in here abhor.
It doesn’t chime with their manichaean worldview of course which will naturally insist that all evil flows from the union and that “we wuz robbed/colonised/oppressed”.
Far easier to attribute current political and moral failings to the bogey man of historic unionism and claimed colonisation than to present day want of courage, lack of political acumen and our centuries long proclivity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by arguing amongst ourselves.
“centuries long proclivity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by arguing amongst ourselves”
Too true, Andy.
To which I’d add we see plenty of posters arguing WITH themselves on here too.
Which brings me to the point I frequently reach when parsing the efforts of the likes of Rooby, Barbs, Confused and now Northy.
While I’m always quick to dismiss stuff about the 7th Brigade as the conspiratorial ravings of those who need to get out in the fresh air more, if such an organisation does exist, and if its operatives are posting on here, what approach would they adopt when seeking to cause the maximum damage to the Scottish Independence cause?
Makes you think, eh, when the self-identifying greatest supporters of Indy are the ones actually wreaking the most irreparable damage?
@Hatey 2.01PM
I’m with you mate on wondering what motivates the usual suspects in their all too frequent recourse to labelling any opposition unionist stooges and/or 7th Brigade assets of the British Nationalist deep state.
Methinks they doth protest too much, since as you rightly point out they are the ones overwhelmingly responsible for the demise of this place as a valuable platform for pro-independence debate and interaction.
It is of course a truth universally acknowledged that if they weren’t a bunch or wreckers who are in general rather ashamed of what passes for their contributions in here, they wouldn’t have any issue posting under their own names.
After all, what are they afraid of? Is their commitment to the nationalist cause so etiolated that they think they’ll somehow suffer some loss of status if their online personas are easily identifiable?
Small wonder the cause is on the buffers when the nativist shock troops in here are, almost without exception, so keen to preserve their anonymity.
The drafters of the Declaration of Arbroath and the many subsequent generations who put their lives on the line to preserve Scottish identity, whether through Covenanting or otherwise must be birling so hard in their graves that they’d solve the energy crisis if you hooked them up to the national grid.
A Ellis @ 4.04pm
“Small wonder-that the nativist shock troops in here are -almost without exception so keen to preserve their anonymity”.
Your words (abridged for sanity).
So that would be like, for talking’s sake, like the regular “Yoon” / site spoiler infestation top ten chart leaders such as:
1. Chart topping the listings for an incredible run: Hatey McHateface
2. Slowly but surely rising up the charts: Aidan (Aidan, Aidan, who the f8ck is Aidan?)
3. Another steady riser, increased number of postings when he should actually be working, legend in his own lunchtime: Captain Caveman (your new fanboy)
4: Hitting and holding at number 4: Insider (your other new fanboy)
5: Sliding down the ratings from 3: Campbell Clansman
6. Holding in the sixth spot: Agent X
7. Down from number 3: Factchecker
8. Soaring back into the charts after an absence and into a milquetoast Quicotic number 8 (and promising much much more: A Ellis/ aka Franchise Fanny
9. Humour keeping him steady at number 9 under (assumedly) his own name: Mark Beggan
10. Surprise newcomer in Yoon/ Spoiler ratings, straight in at number 10: Southernbystander
One to watch for;
11. Slow tedious progress now almost reaching the top 10: Sam (Sam, Sam, who the f8ck is Sam?)
And you presume to preach about “Othering”.
Away and behave yerself man..
Can’t say I’ve given the colonisation argument (historically) much credence – modern monied blow-ins is however very evident.
Anyway, currently watching on PBS “The Conquistadors, rise and fall”.
Recommended watching, if only at least to see and understand the detailed aspects of colonisation, and understand better where the (unfortunately much maligned) Alf Bairds theories here and understandings come from.
The “Shingles List” Yoon/ Spoilers site infestation here will of course not watch it, or, not watch it with an open mind but one for those who want a bite size historical representation of exactly how colonisation was achieved and maintained.
Worth watching for the open minded; make your own mind up.
PBS is on freeview and has a catch up facility.
Hey Young Lochinvar. I do hate it when none of the usual suspects can be arsed to respond to a decent post. Besides, it’s Christmas, even although no True Sovereign Scot should ever be seen deid even acknowledging that alien, foreign, anti-Scottish, cultural imposition of the aggressive, hated coloniser.
Haha, the fact you put me in at # 1 hasn’t influenced my decision to post a lone response in any way!
Mustn’t rest on my laurels though. The competition for # 1 spot will be intense in 2026, but I have an idea or two for maintaining my clear lead on the also-rans.
Watch this space!
Dan: the problem is that this stuff is not going away any time soon. It has infiltrated every aspect of public life and much of private life, too. Its intentions and its actual effect has been to turn our society on its head. Sorry that you are bored with it all. So am I, but they are not getting my rights as a woman just because I get bored or because some men don’t think it has anything to do with them. They are a malign, vicious force that needs to be rooted out from everywhere. I don’t care where they go; they are not going to invade women’s spaces, lie to young women and mutilate children with their idiot ideology which is entirely sexually-driven.
I am sick to the back teeth of reading and hearing about independence – never having it delivered, that is. I am bored out of my skull by the incompetence at Holyrood and the deliberate undermining of Scotland. If it was just Scotland, we would be an outlier, but it is in every Western country. Our liberalism has been our bane. What you and so many seem to fail to realise is that there will be no independence while these people influence politics; there can be no functioning NHS while these people influence public institutions; and there can be no disinterested police or judiciary while these people interfere in the workings of legal system. Are you not appalled that a judge might be so influenced by a certain lobby that he would deliver a ‘trans’-friendly judgement?
The Rev understands just how serious it is, not just for women and children, but for the country as a whole. These people will collapse our institutions if they are not stopped. I’m sorry that you don’t see how serious it is. The Union might be our target, but this lot of men in frocks and lippy – that is, their supporters and backers – who are encouraged by idiot women who do not appear to have the imagination to see how all this might end, will never let us have independence because it is not in their ‘trans’ interests to do so. When you are consumed by porn and sexual feelz to the point that you can barely function in society, independence will be of no interest to you. That some of our influential and powerful people must also be embroiled in this ideology is a no-brainer as far as I’m concerned. There are other factors, of course, such as big money to be made.
@Lorna
What post of mine are you actually responding to with that wordy spiel? A Ctrl F search of page shows your post is the only post containing the word “bored”.
Okay Lorna, so is your plan that we should just sit down, shut up and do nothing and let this shit situation continue. That’s both the existential threat to womankind and the ongoing pilfering of Scottish resources to the detriment of our people, and demographic changes too.
Sorry, but FFS, that’s really not a classic strategy to deal with things that irk you so much.
But then I reckon there’s a fair bit of Stockholm syndrome and sinister gatekeeping by infiltrators going on to maintain the division.
You don’t see anything on the horizon and are bored because you choose to be.
For all the chat about the genderwoowoo and occasionally indy on this site, you and this site were absolutely nowhere to be seen when several women who could see what was happening made the brave commitment to step up and stand for election, women that were driven to do this for the very reasons you so regularly comment on.
And of course, because they got little to no support or promotion from folk purported to be big Indy names, they did not get far and reach breakthrough levels.
But that could have been just the start of building their profiles and electioneering campaigning experience, and developing wider recognition so they might have continued on the endeavour and made further ground to be elected and get into positions of power to begin to counter and end the main thing you waffle on about so much.
But no, you and others were absolutely nowhere to be seen or heard from.
I saw it, and I know they certainly saw it too.
So best just enjoy the self-inflicted prolonged angst of the thing you comment so much on, as it rolls on for yet another election cycle because you actively made the decision to let it, and by doing so fucked over the decent committed women who did step up, and set back the chance of steering the course away from this madness for all the longer.
Concerning your reply to my above request all you came up with was a sort of pantomime ‘they’re behind you’ and a sentence about shite on a bus seat. Is that really the best reply you could muster?
I replied to that the next day and reiterated my request for information, there were no banned words or words I hadn’t used previously. It appeared for a short while with a note above saying something about moderation.
It now seems to have been moderated out of existence but I see you carrying on with your pathetic efforts of phonetics hyphenated hate and back handed support of the coalition of clowns.
So carry on, it seems you’re allowed.
What has happened to this site?
What has happened to the BTL/ Below the Bridge comments more like?
Just sample the right wing Unionist deluge!
I hope the Unionists infesting this site realise their efforts aren’t exactly going to garner any support using the language they do!
Probably not; living in an echo chamber.
Rev; it’s getting increasingly difficult to reconcile your site now with that which produced the wee blue book anymore..
“What has happened to this site?”
Not exactly rocket science, YL.
Check out the posts in the wee sma’ hours from “twathater” (sic). Be honest now. As you go about your business today, do you expect to encounter anybody ranting like that in real life? Other than perhaps some raddled, ruined jakey?
Check out the abusive outbursts from Dan last night, because somebody had the temerity to observe that if the SNP-controlled Scotland is a shitshow, then their enablers, the SNP voters, need to accept their part in bringing this about.
“difficult to reconcile your site now with that which produced the wee blue book”
Perhaps you need to re-read the Wee Blue Book.
Does it describe the UK as an imaginary hoax?
Does it go on at length about Picts?
Sex slaves?
Does it state that most Scots consider the moon to be made of green cheese?
There you go, YL. It’s not so difficult. All the answers you search for are right in front of your nose.
But first, you have to remove your blindfold.
Never mind the wee small hours how about addressing my request of late last night. Go on tell us about your favourite folks national hero…no?
Of course not, you of all people don’t want people knowing things like that, you and your fellow warmongering morons don’t want that guy mentioned at all.
With that I’ll leave you to it, shitebag.
Jeezo, Dave.
A mere 20 minutes from my post to you proving just what I’m on about and what this site is up against.
“tell us about your favourite folks national hero”
What now? Have some tweets from Wallace when he was 14 come to light?
Don’t say he’s been named and shamed in a #MeToo post!
My My wee John MacFuckwit is oot o his hammock early today whits the matter johnny have you pished the bed , I bet its no the first time either , never mind it will let you post MORE reams of shite but first go and hae a wee shower naebody in the barracks likes to sit next to you at breakfast smelling of PISH
Hey, I enjoyed your post, Twat H!
Consider yourself promoted from Twat H to Twat A for the day.
What has happened to this site? The decline of the level and quantity of engagement and of quality of BTL discourse isn’t attributable to the presence of the wholly imagined unionist “deluge” you purport to see Lochinvar (handy tip: Specsavers and other optometrists are widely available).
There are doubtless quite a few reasons for the decline in both quantity and quality. As Rev Stu has observed on his X feed, there’s really SFA of any consequence going on in Scottish politics at present. The movement as a whole has driven itself up a devolutionary cul-de-sac at present and appears to have little or no prospect of performing the necessary U-turn required of “real” nationalists.
The responsibility for that lies squarely with the SNP and the lumpen electorate who continue to support them, despite other options being available to them. Interestingly, many of those minor parties and interest groups are exactly those being touted so assiduously by the usual deluded suspects in here.
They regularly (and sadly at great length) froth at the mouth about the fact that they can’t make any progress with their wedge issue politics. Simultaneously they attack anyone pointing out that there is vanishingly little popular support for their hobby horse issues, whether their sophomoric Jockistinian views on the middle east conflict, their sad attachment to post colonial theory snake oil, or their fluffing for Uncle Vlad.
They’re the ones living in an echo chamber. They’re the Bonnie Prince Bob types of Scottish politics, more to be pitied than laughed at, though admittedly it’s sometimes hard not to just point and laugh at the drivel they come out with.
BTL in this place used to see several hundred comments in response to articles, with a broad range of views. Yes, they often used to go off topic and people disagreed (often trenchantly). Those days are gone now, but as Hatey has already observed, the overwhelming majority of those responsible for the decline of this place aren’t unionists, it’s extremists on what is purported to be our own side.
Thankfully Rev Stu has banned some of the worst offenders (or they finally got the hint and left), but his famously light touch approach to moderation still (sadly most reasonable people would think) leaves the place open to the interminable, repetitive monomaniacal bilge of folk like James Che and Professor Baird, or the sweary rantings of others.
If you’re really that interested in seeing an improvement in BTL discourse you appear to be othering the wrong set of contributors.
Quite Andy, it’s not like there is a overwhelming deluge of people constantly singing the praises of the union, it’s just that anyone who makes any criticism of the endless obsessive abuse, invented legal theories or alternative facts gets labelled a unionist.
It’s ironic but hardly atypical of the moonhowlers here to complain about the demise of wings BTL which they themselves have both caused and continue to cause. Since our input isn’t welcome, I have to ask myself what “good” looks like. Even more history lessons from James Cheyne, ever more monologues from Alf about how every event ever occurring in Scotland (including but not limited to the weather) is proof that Scotland is a colony?
As I’ve said before, I don’t know who is more mad, them for writing it or us for engaging with it.
“Since our input isn’t welcome…”
But your input IS welcome AI Dan.
Without you colonialists, and colonists, (both artificial and real) who would us Scots who roam this place – more for a bit of a laugh than much else – bait and ‘banter’ with?
I am one indigenous, independence-supporting, actual, genuine, real Scot wha wanders this place and welcomes the input of unionists here (I don’t think we can legitimately use the term ‘unionist’ any longer since it has been proven beyond any doubt that no such thing ever existed between Scotland and England).
It would be a very boring place indeed if the colonialists weren’t here to entertain us Scots with their far-fetched and fantastic tales of how brilliant the English empire has been for Scotland and the world entire.
I like it, tae, when colonialists here dance a jig for our amusement… and always tae a tune of oor choosing.
Aye, there’s never a dull moment in this place when the “Colonialist Clown Show” is playing.
My God… it’s hard work trying to translate this stuff from Pish to English an then tae Scots.
It’s actually very, very difficult to translate this Pish tae Scots since there are no ‘Pish’ words in the braw Scots leid.
It’s not often I’m wrong, but after checking it seems there is a pish word in the braw Scots leid:
PISH v., n. Gen.Sc. form of Eng. piss.
I. v., intr. 1. As in Eng., to urinate; also tr. to wet with urine.
I should have written “there are no pish words – except the word ‘PISH’ – in the braw Scots leid” instead.
@Northcode 11.38am
The issue for you and other indigenes Northcode is that despite the reams of stuff posted by the usual suspects in here you have signally failed either to make the case that the union never actually existed, still less convince a significant number of people that you’re right.
The tsunami of invective about the Treaties of Union, post-colonial theorising and hyping of micro parties and interest groups advancing such narratives has made negligible progress amongst “ordinary” voters, indigenous or not.
How many people have actually signed the petitions frequently advertised here? What percentage of the Scottish voters (indigenous or otherwise) do they represent? What is the mandate of such organisations to speak for all Scots?
As Aidan and other say, the fact nativists and blood and soil bigots in here routinely other anyone who disagrees with them as unionists is instructive. It’s very similar to the unionist tactic during #indyref1 of labelling and othering any pro-independence supporter a cybernat extremist.
It was a piss poor tactic when used by yoons in 2012-14 and is no even less convincing now when used by a small and unrepresentative sections who purport to be pro-independence against anyone who disagrees with their extremist views.
We all know (at excrutiating length) about the woo-woo views of James Che about the union, and Alf Baird’s derivative and unconvincing post-colonial analysis. It becomes no more convincing for the constant repetition, or for their singular inability to show any significant support for their views either amongst ordinary voters, members of the movement or amongst subject matter experts in academic, legal or constitutional circles.
Sitting on the sidelines throwing rocks at those who point out the Emperor has no clothes isn’t a convincing political strategy, nor will it convince the relatively small number of swing voters needed to change sides from unionism to independence.
I have my differences with posters like Hatey and Aidan politically, but at least they’re not abusive gobshites you’d cross the road to avoid in public or terminally boring monomaniacs obsessed with fruitless constitutional minutiae nobody sane really cares about.
Just have to laugh at trolls having the bare arsed cheek to complain about the quality of BTL, whilst simultaneously shitting all over the place. Priceless!
If it were me, most of these numpties would be unceremoniously kicked off. Then (and only then), a few sensible lurkers might be tempted into having some semblance of an intelligent discussion and debate?
Until that happens, though, no chance.
I must say, Ellis… your paragraph etiquette is very good – excellent, in fact.
It certainly makes your dancing, if not all that entertaining, much easier to watch.
Here, Ellis… thon wis a guid wee dance – although a wee bit oan the lang side fir my likin’ – and entirely inspired by a tune of my choosing, tae.
Ye micht end up as wan o’ ma favourite “Bene Gesserit sex-drive-imprinted post-bonded comment-slaves” if ye keep thon level o’ danci’ up.
Weel done, yer a guid wee ‘slave’, right enough.
The imprint is strong in ye.
Mind the “green shoots” you were wittering oan aboot yesterday, Northy.
Some muckle-clogged cant might dance all ower them.
What wi them being sae hard to spot, eh? 🙂
Captain Caveman says:
23 December, 2025 at 12:35 pm
Just have to laugh at trolls having the bare arsed cheek to complain about the quality of BTL, whilst simultaneously shitting all over the place. Priceless!
You never did explain to us what a fly press is, mate. I can’t be the only one who doesn’t know 🙂
@Northcode 12.43pm
It’s not just about length though bud: I’m sure you’ve been told that many times in your past. 🙂
Again, the trouble with you and the rest of your posse is that you have nothing interesting to say and lack the ability to engage in any reasoned or evidenced debate on any given topic.
It doesn’t really matter whether it’s in standard English or the faux Scots you tediously insist on using and which maist fowk jist dingie….probably because the vast majority wouldn’t have a clue what you’re talking about without reference to a Scots Language Dictionary. Has it ever occured to you zoomers that mebbe you’d make more progress if you didn’t insist on being the Harry Lauder de nos jours.
You also seem a tad obsessed with the works of FranK Herbert, which speaks to the likelihood that you’re probably a greasy teenager posting from yer bedroom until yer Mammie comes and gives your room it’s annual disinfection.
Whilst we are on the subject of the reality check, I note that the relentless spamming about the UN approach has inexplicably gone silent. Can we expect another cunning plan in the next few days which we’ll all be treated to a post on every 45 minutes? Or are you going to tell us that any day now the white landowners are going to be rolling down Queen’s Drive to depose the SNP colonial outpost and install some unknown unelected character as president in a new direct democracy system, ushering in a new age of wealth and happiness.
I think we also have to be honest that for most people the events of and leading up to 1707 are not really an important formative influence on whether to support Scottish independence or not. Especially not this new version of history which is a) not based on any proper research or analysis and b) is transparently being manipulated to suit a certain political narrative.
I remember one poster here asking one of the worst culprits a perfectly reasonable question around the operation of direct democracy in Scotland prior to 1707. The answer they were given is that they should go to St Andrews university where they can view the documents (the specific documents were of course not described or named). It hardly provides confidence does it.
I’d also point out Northcode that the word “Northcode” appears 63 times in this post. Now of course not all of those references are separate comments, but a substantial number are. In not one of those comments do you make a substantive point, provide any relevant facts or offer any argument or viewpoint capable of being discussed or debated. I have to therefore wonder what objective you are trying to achieve other than filling your time.
Alert readers will also note that somehow (by accident) a substantive discussion about the merits (or otherwise) of the Edinburgh Trams broke out. So it is possible to actually discuss things. Of course a certain professor was quick to tell us all about the deep insights rail-based transport investment in Edinburgh provides to Scotlands colonial condition (fancy that), and it did involve Dan moaning (again, another surprise), but it did otherwise nearly approach the definition of normal!
But whit aboot the green shoots, Aidan? Ye hivnae conseedered the import o the green shoots!
OFFS. Dinna tell me ah wis the only cant tae read Northy’s post aboot the green shoots!
Andy,
I wish you would start posting more regularly again !
You were one of the few posters on this site who actually made any sense !
Merry Christmas !
@Insider 2.45pm
Why thanks: good to know it’s appreciated. Sadly time has been pretty short recently with a new job (a foreign concept to all too many of the usual suspects in here I know, but such is life…we do what we can do) and a longer commute.
During the holiday season I may have the latitude to upset the baskets of some of the deplorables who continue to soil BTL commentary and make it a far less entertaining and valuable online resource for the movement.
With luck some of them will go the same way as the late, unlamented Ruby, and Republicofscotland. We can but hope!
In the meantime, a guid New Year to yin and aw*
*Limited time offer, restrictions and exceptions apply. Blut und boden nativist bigots excluded.
@Flying Iron of Doom
“You never did explain to us what a fly press is, mate. I can’t be the only one who doesn’t know ?”
Hey, no problem at all! 🙂
A fly press is basically a small, manually operated power press (and crucially, manually powered – there’s no electric motor, just arm power).
The one I had the pleasure of using was similar to this old beast link to oldworldanvils.com
Like this one, it had a large, solid metal disc at the top with a knurled handle hanging down off the disc. The operator would pull back the handle with as much strength as he could muster, and the press would transfer this axial force via a series of screws to a minute vertical movement, but with much amplified compressive power. The “number 5” press I was using was the largest of its type, it having fully 5 tonnes of force, enough to punch large diameter holes (say, 10-25mm) through 2.5mm gauge zintec steel sheet (which, again, I was required to do). Smaller “model making” type fly presses require less operator force (for less work).
All I can say is, it was quite the introduction to an apprenticeship of sorts. Back then (in the early 80s), workplace culture was very different to now. As a 16-year old know nowt, wet behind the ears lad – 10 stone wringing wet, lilly-white soft hands – going through “initiation” was par for the course and to be endured. I was put on the fly press for a week – without gloves. The aforementioned knurled handle soon wreaked havoc with my hands, my feeble strength meant each punch needed about 3-5 swings on the press, which was exhausting (and my technique hopeless, so even more wasteful of the meagre strength I did possess). However the worst thing was the sharp cut edged 2.5mm gauge metal plate (straight off the guillotine, burrs and all). Ouch.
Week 2 comprised of manually filling ductwork elements with 48kg/m3 unfaced mineral wool (Rockwool), whose loose fibres soon penetrated each one of the many cuts and blisters on my by now lacerated hands, which became so septic and inflamed I could no longer use them by Week 3 and I was on brews for a week. That I did not complain meant I was “accepted”.
If all this sounds brutal (and it was), the flip side of the coin was that, when so skint I couldn’t eat properly (£35/week doesn’t go far when the rent’s £25), all the lads downed tools and saw the foreman insisting I got a rise as semi-skilled, which by then I was. Never forgotten it.
Anyhoo, that’s a fly press. 🙂
I would also like to see Andy post more, and I’m a Yoon. 🙂
@Capt. Caveman & Insider
Thank you for your kind comments. I will make a determined effort to post more over the Festive Season for your delectation and hopefully to give the usual suspects something to chew on.
I see it as missionary work. I may simply start posting quotes and links from X and other places reflecting my hot takes on the actual concerns of ordinary, mainstream Scots rather than the coterie of nativist moonhowlers who have made and intellectual desert of this place in recent years.
After all, if it’s good enough for James Che and Alf Baird spamming BTL with their effluvia, I don’t see why I can’t spread the good word too.
I’ll be appearing for the next week or two.
Please remember to tip your waitress. 🙂
I would 3rd that Andy, more posts from you would be very welcome. It might help to dilute the howling we otherwise have to endure.
I 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th Ellis posting more of his Anglo-centric ‘stuff’ on here.
Because the more hatefu anti-Scots rhetoric them colonialists post the more secure is the case for Scottish independence.
Plus… they’ll be more chances for me tae to make thon colonist dance tae ma choons for ma amusement.
Correction: “they’ll be” should read “there’ll be”
I thank you all for your generous patience while this serious grammar issue was awaiting remedial action.
Normal service has resumed.
“… “Northcode” appears 63 times in this post [WoS article]… In not one of those comments do you make a substantive point, provide any relevant facts or offer any argument or viewpoint capable of being discussed or debated.”
You have no idea how much skill, how much expertise, that takes?
It is the easiest thing to inadvertently prove a brilliant argument against a colonialist in this place.
Half a second of misplaced thought and BOOM – an ‘argument’ in favour of the Union is left bloodied and in tatters and lying on the rhetorical canvas weeping; begging for mercy where none can be afforded in the struggle for a people’s liberation.
Aidan @ 5.49pm
Wow!
What a curfew on the Shingles List Yoon/Site Spoiler front!
Since Aidans 5.49pm post (you Yoons ARE after all obsessed about the hour posts are submitted) total silence!
Total silence..
Maybe there is truth in the rumour that you are all logged off for the night and are frolicking away at the Michael Fabricant, Cyril Smith, Thatchers pal Saville and Murdo Frasers Legal Career Memorial Gender Reveal Party for adult Yoons (allegedly)..
🙂
Yuk..
Surely the weekend is the time for that sort of Tory “Captain of Industry” (allegedly) shenanigans as come the working weekday you are all single handedly – no pun intended -paying all the taxes to support everyone else as well as those already dead or not even born yet!?
Oh for the days when a “Tussian” Oligarch would pony up for all the drinks and entertainments, while the Friends of Ish Ray elle petty cash fund has badly dried up recently.
How do you cope..
In my case YL, I had an evening with a good friend at a wine bar. I’m sorry if that distracted me from posting, yet I suppose if I had been posting that would have been an issue as well . .
Now Aidan
You do realise don’t you that little admission would have your comrades here accusing others of being on the “Buckie” and “sleeping on a park bench” don’t you?
That’s the double standards YOU fellas can’t reconcile.
Anyway, get a good nights sleep, you have one more shift to go tomorrow before the holidays to pay ALL the taxes (apparently) for ALL the rest of us..
While not particularly happy clapping about it, at least my generation got on with it and did it to bring yours up with an education, welfare state, safety and a working NHS (then) without it seems so much as much as a nod of recognition of the fact from yours..
Drink a pint of water, you’ve got work tomorrow..
“one more shift to go tomorrow before the holidays”
The Christmas Holidays, you mean?
Lord save us! What an admission.
No True Sovereign Scot, steeped in his nation’s proud history, culture and tradition, would observe such an alien, Popish, colonialist imposition.
@YL – there is nothing wrong with an evening out, in fact I am constantly encouraging the regulars here to spend more time outside and less on Wings. There is however something wrong with getting into an alcohol-induced blind rage and then posting a psychotic rant very visibly on the internet.
If you’re going to say you got on with things without complaining, you’re continually complaining so that’s a lie. You have however voted (or at least supported) some of the highest taxes anywhere in the developed world to fund public services that are (apparent from advances in technology) worse than the those that you paid significantly less tax to enjoy. The amount raised will barely cover the overspend on the Glen Sannox/Rosa, yet is causing huge damage to the Scottish economy ultimately making us all poorer in the medium-long term. It should be no.1 thing on the list to sort out.
Aidan @ 8.49
Oh dear; a few too many dry sherrys for you last night and the intemperate sore head to prove it this morning going by your whinging Pom post..
And I did advise you to drink a pint of water last night too..
But hey ho, obviously not. No telling you Yoons anything is there, reckon you know better.
Oh well enjoy work today, best get someone to check your work, and, consider 2 things:
1. If you’re bleating about highest taxes then you must be earning big bucks, so pay up or consider yourself the overpaid freeloader you all love to fixate over.
2. Yes the ferries are undoubtedly a complete fiasco.
No arguments there.
However Westminsters kack handling of the (soon to be cancelled) Ajax armoured personnel carriers mega fiasco – somewhere between six and seven billion pounds (yes BILLIONS) and counting for zilch (NOTHING) just shows how Westminster is the master-spaffer of money.
So, no lectures from you on the financial probity of the Yoonion..
Enjoy work today 🙂
Some background on the ongoing sabre rattling around Venezuela being orchestrated by our greatest living half-Scot, President Donald John Trump:
link to unherd.com
To repeat, Venezuela is home to the world’s largest deposits of crude oil. If the USA invades and brings that oil to market in scale, the resultant glut will cause oil prices to plummet and consequently destroy many other oil industries around the world.
Scotland’s most certainly. Orcland’s too (yay!)
I’m all in favour of Trump invading, because in crude, geopolitical terms, it will be a serious setback for the Covid Spreaders and their organised attempts to coerce the world into doing their bidding through cornering the world market in renewables and rare earth resources.
But the ripples from that earthquake will still be sufficiently strong to shake Scotland’s foundations.
If Wings BTL was a serious forum for discussion, this is the sort of subject we could be talking about.
It goes without saying that were there to be a glut of oil then the geo political economic impacts would be huge.
He who controls oil supply has huge influence.
It further goes without saying that he who controls the extraction and supply of rare earth metals so critically needed from everything electrical from cell phone batteries to car batteries to electronic components and much more will also wield huge geo political economic influence.
China seems to be doing quite well in this regard. But then again China seems to be doing quite well in every aspect of technological development. This last 40 years the strides that China has taken in economic development are absolutely astounding,
China’s strides in economic development in every aspect of manufacture development and expansion, infrastructure development, electronic development, space development are a wonder to behold. Quite a contrast to mighty Great Britain that produces little save belligerent rhetoric about how it strides the world in its Golden Era, it best years ahead. Put simply what does Grande Britannia produce – burp, belch and fart.
But I digress. Scotland, little humble, poor, and subsidy slurping Scotland actually produces quite a lot. Much more so than might belligerent England. The amount of renewable power, its sea resources, its land resources, mineral deposits, food production are all big advantages. Indeed with surplus power aplenty Scotland could become home to the huge power consuming data centres need for the forthcoming AI revolution.
But no, power lines taking as much power as possible down south is rather the plan. Glass beads and Indians, only this time, the Indians don’t even get the glass beads. Like colonial Africa the poor old porridge wogs lose out even bigger time than they did in the oil and gas era.
Tis a grim state of affairs but Scotland, proud Scotland, is not the only colony to have been cleaned out by its colonial masters. Its a shame really but hey hoe, its only the Scots that can do anything about it.
And with that, turn the heating up, keep the lights on, don’t get sick and need too much of the now short supply mediacal support, and have a Merry Christmas.
Don’t forget Scotlands share of the debt of the 3 billion a year (promised for the next 5 years) going to hateys favourite criminal gang, who like rats (and the SNP) all seem to be fleeing the sinking ship. I doubt he’ll say much about that too.
And also as a moron he won’t mind the moron in Westminster promising them support for the next hundred years no less! That’s bigger and shinier than even the Trump (I’m living in a movie) madman could do!
China’s strides in espionage and Intellectual Property theft have got them where they are today.
President John Donald Trump has just issued a STOP on several American offshore wind farms. He reckons they’re no use to the USA – far too easy to disable by hostile forces – far too difficult and expensive to defend.
There’s defo a lesson in there for us deluded porridge wogs.
“us deluded porridge wogs”
Well, whit can we say aboot that!
As postcolonial theory (Memmi) so often reminds us, such remarks: “always brings us back to racism… which is a consubstantial part of colonialism. The fact is that all oppression is directed at a human group as a whole and, a priori, all individual members of that group are anonymously victimized by it.”
In predicting your further response, Memmi also notes that the colonizer, for good reason, “knows that he is in a bad ideological or ethical position (and therefore) likes neither theory nor theorists”, because it confirms his need to degrade and reject ‘his subjects’.
And this reveals, as colonialists repeatedly demonstrate, that: “colonial racism is so spontaneously incorporated in even the most trivial acts and words”.
You know what, Alf, “Porridge wogs” was a direct quote from willie’s post above.
Tak it up wi him if yer pearls are noo all ower the flair.
And you know something else, Alf. As a Sovereign, indigenous Scot of many generations pedigree, I’m big enough and mature enough and confident enough to take accusations of being a “porridge wog” with a smile, unless it’s being shouted with an accompanying spittle spray by some neanderthal 6 inches away from my face.
So what’s your problem?
@Hatey 2.17pm
So what’s your problem?
I’m not sure we want to go there. If nothing else, you’d need more space than the character limit probably allows to delineate the extent and seriousness of the good Professor’s problems. 🙂
Aye, Alf.
We all know that willie was using the term “porridge wog” in his comment to make a point in support of the Scots and not as an anti-Scots racist slur.
Of course, the term was immediately appropriated by the colonists on here and willie’s intended meaning twisted out of shape to suit their anti-Scots rhetoric which you rightly highlight in your comment condemning the use of such racist terms by colonialists to deliberately insult the Scots.
Hey Northie. I’ve been mulling over the best way for you to leverage the term Porridge Wog, at least until such time as those green shoots become visible to normies.
You should copy our Black American brethren with their weaponisation of their cultural artifact – the N word. Think Samuel L Jackson, but with a humongous chip on your shoulder, a red beard and a blue arse.
Those posters you deem to be True Sovereign Scots should be allowed to own the Porridge Wog badge of honour. They could post stuff such as “That’s my homey Porridge Wog”, or “Way to go, Wog Face”.
Those posters of a racist, colonialist bent should be forced, on pain of social media ostracism, to bow the knee and tiptoe around the subject by using such euphemisms as the “PW word”.
Ultimate arbiters of True Scot hood, yourself obviously being one, can adopt a title such as Porridge Wog Finder General. You can, using the authority derived from your position, stride BTL like a mighty colossus, generously bestowing Porridge Wog status on the worthy, and sternly withdrawing it from those who incur your wrath.
Anyhoo, just some ideas for you as a colonist’s, colonialist Christmas gift. You will, I am sure, be able to take this much further once you give it the benefit of your multiple generations of oppression as authentic, hereditary, blue arsed Porridge Wogs.
And, as I said, it will keep you busy while we all wait for those green shoots to, erm, shoot.
“An idiot race to honour lost,
Who know them best,despise them most”
ROBERT BURNS
LEGAL ACTION AGAINST PRIME MINISTER AND CIVIL SERVICE OVER PRIDE MARCHES COMMENCES
The Christian Institute has now formally commenced legal action against the Prime Minister and the Civil Service over official taxpayer-funded participation in Pride marches.
Legal action was threatened in August, with the Institute sending Sir Chris Wormald a pre-action letter, but papers have now been officially lodged with the High Court.
The Institute believes the current practice of officially endorsing and funding participation during work time, whilst sporting “Civil Service Pride” t-shirts and banners, breaches the law on Civil Service impartiality.
The legal action will affect civil servants in England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
PARTIALITY
The challenge is being brought because the Institute believes official participation in Pride gives the public the impression that civil servants have taken sides on controversial issues on which they ought, by law, to be impartial.
It follows a win for gender-critical activist Linzi Smith, who challenged Northumbria Police’s participation in Pride events. The court in that case found Pride to be “political” and a breach of laws on police impartiality.
As a result, forces across the UK have stopped officers from officially participating in Pride marches. Northumbria has also withdrawn police cars branded with rainbow and ‘progress’ flags.
The Institute is using the same legal team that won that case: Conrathe Gardner Solicitors and Tom Cross KC.
POLITICISED
Deputy Director Simon Calvert said: “The law is clear that civil servants must maintain impartiality on controversial political issues. Whether one agrees with it or not, no-one can deny that the LGBTQ+ Pride movement and its hard-line gender ideology are profoundly political.
“Pride London, the one attended by Whitehall-based civil servants, even banned political parties because they don’t support their political demands, which include puberty blockers and gender self-ID. These are positions which the taxpayers who fund the Civil Service increasingly reject.
“Despite Pride being so politicised, the social media feeds of Government departments still feature images celebrating their participation in the movement.
“As Linzi Smith’s successful judicial review of Northumbria Police determined, involvement in Pride signals support for a highly contentious set of political demands. It is inappropriate for civil servants to be officially endorsing Pride.”
‘THEIR MINDS ARE CLOSED’
He continued: “I have been working in public policy for decades. I’ve been shocked by how many civil servants wear Pride lanyards in our meetings with them, even when those meetings are specifically about conflicts with that ideology.
“Sitting in front of a phalanx of civil servants in rainbow lanyards gives the impression that their minds are closed on the issues we are discussing. It certainly does not communicate the kind of neutrality that taxpayers expect of civil servants.”
link to christian.org.uk
(The Christian Institute, 23 Dec 2025)
Thanks for that link Fearghas it is reassuring that someone is exposing this lunacy in the supposed civil service it has been obvious for some time
Like all nations around the world are beginning to realise sorting their own problems out at home has become the bigger priority, as being incapable of running your own affairs means that your are not capable in any way of running someone elses.
Listening to all other nations around the world it comes to ones attention that their all suffering with and from the same issues,
Governments going of kilter. Putting their own people on the list,
It goes without a notice or to anyone attention needed drawn to it, in the western worlds are under attack in a synchronised pattern,
Synchrosed problems,
Gender.
Freedom of speech,
Bad judgements and dodgey trials,
Wokery.
Human rights for selected humans only.
Women and childrens rights being discarded.
De- industralisation,
The green energy agenda,
The increased crime.
It goes on and on,
Crashing economies.
Poor Councils.
Cancelling elections,
Controlling food reproduction and culling food sources.
Large strips of land removed from the people into ownership of governments hands,
Viruses and illness popping up everywhere.
Birth control and old age control.
That only leaves the teens to forty something to die off.
Now one would think it rather strange that all these issues are So syncronised at the same times, especially to involve an Island like Britain in the middle of the sea, where you could protect your self from over half these invasions of all kinds, where you have a better ability to protect livestock and people,
So it has to blamed on controlled and synchronisation governments and Civil servants in the western worlds.paid to do a job,
So before you cast your stone to far flung Countries, take a good hard look at what is happening in your own Country. And whom is manefacturing all these problems at your feet,
Because then when you sort your own house out, and only then, can you cast your stone further afield.
We do not need anymore “Look Squirrel” scenarios to draw our attention elsewhere.
The Politicians and governments are all doing the same,
Guid mornyng aw… a howp ye aw hae a guid day afore Christmas Eve day the day.
…and remember, folks – bonded sex-slaves aren’t just for Christmas.
Technically, of course, they aren’t sex-slaves… they are Bene Gesserit sex-drive-imprinted post-bonded comment-slaves. Bound to unthinkingly respond to the comments of indigenous Scots with fever-pitch gibberish in this place.
There are no actual sex-acts involved in the colonialist imprinting process.
What I should have said to be technically correct is this:
“Bene Gesserit sex-drive-imprinted post-bonded comment-slaves” are not just for Christmas.
Awww, Northy, so now you’re stealing my jokes.
Sincerely, I’m flattered.
Still though, I have to point out.
Christmas never was an authentic Scottish festival, date or event. Right from the time the Scottish parliament outlawed its celebration in 1640.
Long before there was ever an imaginary hoax union.
How remarkable it must be to alert readers on here that the self-identifying guardians of Scotland’s dignity, honour and freedom are so abysmally ignorant of that which they profess to love.
But hey, no biggie, you keep on celebrating the alien, foreign, imposed culture of the aggressive coloniser.
Morning North Code, hope you and keepin well.
INDIFFERENCE is the gift electorates may pass to politicians who in turn pass it to their paymasters. It is the enemy of democracy and coupled with resignation the lackey of autocracy.
The politics of indifference is comfortably embedded in the British state.
Whoops, need to pay attention to what I am saying, doing to many things at once,
The way forward for Scotland,
Every thing since the date below returns to Scotland, if not reparations.
The door we came in, is the door we leave, without a referendum, without a treaty, just like the parliament of England, in 1800,
Great Britain Parliament dissolved. Succeeded by the united Anglo – Irish parliament.
Remember that is the date when Scotland also left,
Globalist unionist do not like this being pointed out, must keep saying it,
Gethin Chamberlain.
The world has a planned craziness to it, set out to confuse the people and break down communities and families. To disrupt old systems, Paid for and funded to be crazy,
If it get a bit hot for the disrupters they back off for a bit and approach it at a later date or tweek the Words,
It may take a bit longer for then to progress, but the long term sight of their goal is not lost to them, only delayed temporarily, they still retain their paid for servants and governing bodies.
They may switch the top leaders around behind different coloured rosettes or flags to retain the impression of democracy until democracy can be removed altogether, as is happening now in Britain,
Falsified governance and in the right position places politicians is a problem for many counties,
not just Scotland.
The ability by the wealthy to buy and numb peoples brains is as old as the hills.
Scotland not only knew this hundreds of years ago, but the paper trail is still in evidence.
Those sitting as msp, mps, judges, or protectors can all be corrupted and bought for silver and gold today, it is undoubtably a disease of the brain that has nuerotransmitter links to the pocket,
Until they also are no longer needed to serve as servants, and themselves can be discarded to the rubbish heap.
Very similar to the Scottish peerage,
Long term plans seldom achieved by rushing….easily achieved however by steady erosion.
You need to know where your feet rest before you stand your ground.
Here, it’s braw on here the day.
We indigenous Scots in this place are being treated tae a rare pre-Christmas treat and are being entertained by a troupe of “Bene Gesserit sex-drive-imprinted post-bonded comment-dancin-slaves” aw dancin’ tae a braw Scots tune and fir oor viewing pleasure.
Should Scotland, If independent.
Have a Monarchy?
Or
Some other head of Scotland,
Or
should it be the people as a collective Sovereign nation.
Well history tells us monarchs have been married of to gain power, other countries, land and money.
So that seems like a bad idea,
A president?
The problem with elected presidents is elections can be rigged, as we have witnessed in America and many other Countries along with interference of outside influences.
The people?
Well I would trust them before anyone else,
Ten people or thirty people can be corrupted,
But much harder to corrupt a whole nation, to rig everyone votes if counted in their
Town in public, without transporting votes.
And reduce postal votes.
As it used to be,
Nowadays also easer to record by all the public.
Trust the people, and keep it local counting.
a rewrite of christmas carol, a real horror story with the ghosts – christmas past will tell us of imperial glories, christmas present won’t go into details except to say “could be worse”; but christmas future will expound in graphic detail
– THE HORR-OR … – of an independent Scotland, awash in wealth, but lacking the firm but fair, wise pimp hand of the anglo to guide us …
tiny tim gets his disability allowance cut and gets a job as a drone pilot in the grand new war for issy against the great bear
Santa Trump has stuffed the christmas stocking with venezuela’s oil (but its like tar, surely not worth much, with production costs)
get your nan an assisted-dying gift card from M&S
get yourself an iphone 17 and tweet about net fucking zero an thenvironmen
just dont mention jesus, you antisemitic bastards
a very merry trans-mas and a happy jew year
let’s hope its a good one
without any fear (of prosecution at the hague)
war is (far from) over
Just go all indigenous, nativist, Sovereign Scots on us, Confused, and refuse to acknowledge the alien, forced, cultural abomination of the hated coloniser that is Christmas.
Simples.
[And you can still celebrate it anyway. Nobody believes any of the shite that ever gets posted on Wings BTL, so it’s a win-win.]
Looking forward –
interesting world cup draw and puts indy within our grasp; let me explain – Scotland and the flatlanders are in opposite halves of the draw ergo
we beat Germany, France, Netherlands, Spain to get to the final and England beat Mexico, Argentina, Brazil
in the final we fuck them 4-0 and unable to take the shame they tear up the union treaty, none of this “section 30” shite, in a mad hissy fit, and we are done.
The s3ttl3r hordes have to remigrate unable to walk the streets without Scots taunting them about being “morriss dancers” who love “shite in their tap water” and worship paedophiles as their state religion; churchill was a drunk, the royals touch kids, bobby moore was a thief, leibniz derivation of the calculus was superior to newtons, all that gets them where it hurts …
john bull takes a helluva beating and then goes muslam, en masse
Scottish players should take an oath only to score goals via overhead kick, or from their own half, thus giving other teams a chance.
Humsa shats his wog-dress in public going WHITE WHITE WHITE and then fucks off to score some top gear with his ‘brar – in – law who never murdered that guy by pushing him out of a window, even though it is forensically clean, according to the CIA … makes me think – poor Imran Khan is in jail, in fucking pakland, the only honest man in the country … and we get humsa, still walking around … some say, rumoured mind, he only got into politics because :
HE COULDN’T WORK THE TILL
– we should do a swap; we take Imran, let him coach our cricket team, on house arrest, and the pakistanis can throw Humsa in solitary on trumped up charges
Farage is also looking forward to the footy, hoping for a Nigeria v Germany game, Nigeria being the “home team” for that one (think about it, the onscreen scoreboard).
Fearghas macFhionnlaigh,
I also saw that snippet of news,
And notable that both the civil Servants and the BBC have not been impartial in politics with tax payers money,
Both also have funding from the present government as well as past governments,
So the governments are funding impartiality,
While the people object to giving their money towards any propaganda,
And that is how the people are seeing it, it will only be a matter of time that people en masse refuse to go anywhere near both, this bias ideology propaganda will see themselves out of work, and no longer listened to as being an important part of our Society.
Latest population replacement news. That thing that never happens, happened yet again:
An Afghan asylum seeker who raped a teenage girl in a park has been jailed for nine years.
Rapualla Ahmadze – who claimed he was an escaped prisoner of the Taliban – attacked the 17-year-old in Cooper Park in Elgin, Moray, in August last year.
Ahmadze – who is believed to be 21 – had denied rape, claiming that sex was consensual, but was previously found guilty.
At the High Court in Edinburgh, judge Thomas Welsh KC said it was a “shocking and violent” attack.
The government plans to bring thousands more of these people to rural Scotland.
“Refugees welcome here!”, say the SNP.
Are ye scunnered yet?
Sigh.
Power over immigration is reserved to London Rule, and therefore not within the remit of the diddies in the poundshop devolved parliament in Edinburgh, which is packed with UK devolutionists…
Aye, many in Scotland are totes scunnered about migration, but this is all happening because Scotland does not have control of immigration policy.
A self-governing Scotland would have control of our immigration policy and be empowered to better regulate who comes here.
And with self-governance other major powers to better control our economy would also be under our control.
But best not mention immigration on here again. This site prefers to deal with the niche concerns of Scots, by ignoring the priority issues in the league table in this article.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
“A self-governing Scotland would have control of our immigration policy”
That which is claimed without evidence can be refuted without evidence. But no need to go that far. I have plenty of evidence.
Is France self-governing? How do you explain their third-world shitholes? Do you believe that’s what ethnic French people want? How about Sweden? Germany? Even Norway?
What about the UK? Is that self-governing? How do you explain the boats? Do you believe that’s what ethnic British people want?
Ask Santa to bring you some “wake the fuck up pills”. There’s still time.
It is earnestly to be hoped that a future Scottish government takes a more Danish approach to immigration. I suspect if one were to do an actual poll on the matter (there’s a suggestion Rev Stu!) that mainstream Scots opinion would be quite supportive of the kind of policies advocated by the social democratic party in Denmark.
It should be remembered that in the period when there were large influxes of immigrants from the Commonwealth between the 1950’s and 1980’s, there was net emigration from the UK. The number of immigrants only started to exceed the number of emigrants in 1994.
Doubtless both pull and push factors were operative both for those who left and those who arrived, but likely few would disagree that it was never a good idea to accept mass migration which wasn’t predicated on those who chose to live here accepting the broad liberal democratic values of their new homeland, learning the language and contributing positively to the society they formed part of.
“it was never a good idea to accept mass migration which wasn’t predicated on those who chose to live here accepting the broad liberal democratic values of their new homeland”
Segues neatly into another link to an article discussing the changes our “New Brits” are making:
link to unherd.com
The answer to the question posed in the article would appear to be YES. And NO, they have no intention whatsoever of “accepting the broad liberal democratic values of their new homeland”. Or any other alien values. Their faith-based values are immutable.
Very likely they’re Scotland’s future too, for all the posturing and bloviating BTL, both on Unherd and on Wings.
It’s something like 3 and a half years until the next WM GE. By that time, we should be 3 years into the next SNP HR administration, during which time our own home-grown, indigenous loonies will have driven Scotland even deeper into the mires of poverty, ignorance and hopelessness.
But at the next WM GE, things will really start to change, and not even puir, wee Scotland will be able to buck that trend any longer.
COZYING UP,
link to archive.is
Cannae reach the webpage, Turacdin.
Got there eventually. Flynn/SNP WM group of lickspittles not worth reading about although point is taken.
A SCOTSMAN on the make in London.
Be leery as the English say.
Archive.is/ph etc is flaky & the captcha thing can be very irritating, but worth persevering.
Whit a braw sight!
A colonial “Flash Mob” spontaneously breaks into a colonial “Flashdance” routine for the amusement of us indigenous Scots in this place.
“They’re maniacs, maniacs on the floor
And they’re dancing like they’ve never danced before
Ther colonists, colonists oan the floor
An thair jiggin like they’ve niver jigged afore”
from the lyrics (paraphrased) of a song in the iconic movie, Flashdance (1983).
Whatever progress those colonialists on here might have made these past few years in persuading passing Scots that the ‘union’ (hot tip: no such thing exists or ever did) is a good thing for Scotland has just been spectacularly reversed as they so publicly reveal their hatred for the Scots in a mob-driven barrage of anti-Scots rhetoric’.
A perfect occasion for us Scots to remind ourselves that:
Ther scarce be a wird pit doun here fae colonialists that’s onythin’ ither than abuise, threit, lie, errure, afftak, diveesion, diversioun, distractioun, logicale fallace, or hatesome antiScot rethorik.
And in Inglis:
There’s barely a comment posted here by colonialists that is anything other than insult, threat, lies, error, mockery, division, diversion, distraction, logical fallacy, or hateful anti-Scots rhetoric.
DANCE, ‘SLAVES’, DANCE FOR US SCOTS!
Ha, talk of dance, and I see the algorhythm is working well, as this vid turns up on a feed.
But I think the Strictly Morris Dancers on here would get their arses handed to them in a dance battle with this crew.
2 mins of Soviet soldiers dancing to hard bass (obviously edited in music).
link to youtube.com
To be young and fit enough to try and do that stuff. Long time since my gymnastics days, but still as an auld git I was chuffed to be able to kickstart KTM and Honda 500 2 strokes MX bikes first kick, and hoon aboot the field today at speeds up to what must have been close to 100mph.
And to think folk think the internet is exciting.
« Quand les mœurs s’effondrent, les lois se multiplient… »
(Sociologue québecois Mathieu Bock-Côté)
« When morals collapse, laws multiply… »
(Quebec Sociologist Mathieu Bock-Côté)
Audio interview on Stéphan Bureau podcast.
link to omny.fm
Brilliant! A second certificate of correction issued for the Peggie tribunal.
link to judiciary.uk
Looking forward to seeing analysis on here.
Hello, refreshing to see an ON-topic post, following the acres of self-promoting guff above it!
The run-up To Christmas, it’s a great time to be bad news. A lesson, Judge Kemp and his team know only too well:
link to archive.ph
Whoops !
“..be bad news“ should, of course, read, “..bury bad news.“
A Kempian slip
Despite the recent trend to post on-topic here, the MSM is giving this very thread some attention:
“ 3 HRS AGO
Wings has had various articles on the judgement. On his page the latest article is by a journalist Gethin Chamberlain – it points out the inconsistencies in the way the judge treated the evidence. Very interesting.”-The Herald
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It appears any pre-Christmas strategy, to “bury bad news“ has rather backfired.
Whoops!!
Another Kempian slip.
The phrase, “on -topic “above should read, “off -topic”.
What is it the other way about? Maybe I should consult AI ?
“the MSM is giving this very thread some attention”
FFS!
We all have to hope that Rev Stu has been savvy enough to install some kind of gatekeeping software that will detect queries from accounts linked to the MSM.
And consequently block access to the BTL comments.
You must be relatively new here if you think off-topic posting is somehow novel. In its pomp when Rev Stu was posting articles daily, each thread would oftentimes solicit several hundred comments.
It used to be remarked upon even then that in general the BTL threads would after a few dozen on-topic comments tend to veer off-topic. It was regarded as “not the done thing” to steer the thread off topic too early, whether directly or by introducing your hobby horse issue (yes, we are looking at you Alf Baird and James Che).
Of course, if all you have is an intellectual hammer, every issue looks like a nail.
Hatey McHateface says:
24 December, 2025 at 8:05 am
“Defo worth a read”
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Agreed.
Why don’t you give it a go, then?
Andy Ellis says:
24 December, 2025 at 9:14 am
“You must be relatively new here if you think off-topic posting is somehow novel. “
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It is you who are the newbie, sunshine.
I have been around here a LOT longer than you have.
The difference between us is that I contribute only when I have something to say; you do so when you want to say something – as here, as always.
Thank you for adding to the gaiety of this bright Christmas Eve morning. Being patronised by you, is like being challenged to a beer drinking contest by a little boy.
“I have been around here a LOT longer than you have”
Sure, Cynicus.
All the more perplexing then that judging by your response to me above at 10:55 am, you have yet to fathom out the BTL comments structure.
Anyway, I’m going to take some time to ponder the difference between having something to say, and wanting to say something.
Done. Now I’m more perplexed!
@cynicus 11.02AM
It is you who are the newbie, sunshine.
I have been around here a LOT longer than you have.
Ah hae ma doots bud! I’ve been posting since well before #indyref1 and I don’t recall when you moniker appeared. Of course, you could have multiple accounts to suit the multiple personality disorder, so there is that.
Given your apparent predilection for drinking contests with small boys, I think most folk will treat your input with the seriousness deserving of a dipsomaniacs contribution to reasoned debate.
Andy Ellis says:
24 December, 2025 at 1:15 pm
“Ah hae ma doots bud! I’ve been posting since well before #indyref1 and I don’t recall when you moniker appeared.”
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Impressive!
BUT, were you here within 2-3 week of the site going up?
I was.
I brought with me a (then) unpopular stance developed BTL in The Hootsmon. Pro-independence BUT anti-SNP.
That got me barred within a month or two but I remained a faithful reader- before being allowed back.
Now our host and virtually every independence supporter here takes the same view as I held in 2008/09- five or six years BEFORE Indyref1 and the birth of this site.
Moniker was either Cynicus or Cynicus in Exile. Nothing else.
“Looking forward to seeing analysis on here”
I bet you’re looking forwards to the brand new Ferrari you’ve asked Santa for too.
Haud oan though. Perhaps you didn’t actually mean on BTL.
A Ferrari? Doesn’t appeal as a daily driver. Too cramped inside. I’d happily have a shot in one at a track day but that would be sufficient.
As for the BTL analysis, it was more the commentary from our distinguished host that I had in mind. Comments down the page can be a mixed bag.
I see the BBC couldnae spare money to show the Commonwealth Games live from Scotland,
been showing it for 72 years,
`don`t promote Scotland`
if it had been from an English city i`m sure they would have found the cash,
instead the BBC in Scotland will just trash everything with the help of 5th column yoon `experts`
also pictures of po faced Anas Sarwar and Jackie Baillie pointing at bins and graffiti.
On Scotland’s most read politics website, an apposite link to an essay discussing 21st Century international realpolitik:
link to unherd.com
Defo worth a read by any grifter tempted to fly budget-class to some back office of the UN, to present a petition signed by 10,000 people, and hope that wearing a kilt while doing so will make a difference!
INTERPRETATION is all. We live in the shadow of the semantic Tower of Babel & we also live in that of the eternal, conceited, bully boy superpower. As a species we have barely set foot on the road to «wisdom». But in the meantime being a skeptical observer of the international grand guignol helps.
NB. Tower of Babel, a myth from my ancestral homeland as was the law giver Hammurabi. Beware of scorpions, they seek out the dark places.
“we also live in that of the eternal, conceited, bully boy superpower”
Sorry, TURABDIN, but I can think of at least three matching your description, for us living here in puir, wee Scotland. Four, if you count that busted flush, England, which I don’t, but many on here do.
If you weren’t intending to be generic, you need to be specific.
These new corrections are all fairly trivial j think and I suspect this has been done deliberately to create the impression that the larger travesties of justice that will be revealed bt the appeal might, just might, be seen as trivial. Surely the MSM won’t allow it……?
“Corrections” may not be allowed. Amendments for “clerical errors” are permitted. What is being done is unlikely to be viewed by EAT as “clerical errors”. Kemp is for a hammering.
Ha! Ha! Ha! Oh you are a one – best joke so far!
It never falls far from the thread of supporting Scottish independence,
whereas your own falls into name calling and personal verbal abuse of Scottish people when your unable to think of words or sentences which fail you mentally, falls short and veers away from support for Scotland at all if it does not fit in with your way of thinking or supply chains related to war,
War and weapons Scotland does not want on its soil or contaminating its seas and rivers, or being transported around Scotland.
I do remember you trying to push Civic rhetoric at us too, I believe both bulling tactics made you unpopular,
Independence for Scotland does not necessarily mean your version. But rather the Scots people as a whole,
People in glass houses are unwise to throw stones,
Independence for Scotland does not necessarily mean your version. But rather the Scots people as a whole,..
Perhaps not, but then who is to say that it necessarily means your version either James, or that of the other usual suspects in here?
Those who have apparently abandoned civic nationalism in favour of divisive ethno-nationalism always take umbrage when I say that they don’t speak for the majority of the independence movement, and still less for the Scottish people as a whole, but when asked to produce evidence that their woo-woo beliefs have any popular support they always come up empty.
Why is that do you think? It’s bad enough that their hobby horse issues have next to no academic, legal or constitutional back up or hinterland and no visible support from third parties outside Scotland.
However, when they struggle to get a few thousand people out of a potential few million voters to support their petitions, and have no political parties with any appreciable support advance their cause, “ordinary” Scots are surely entitled to think this is a case of emperor’s new clothes.
Nobody is really convinced by the proposed short cuts to independence via appeals to the UN, the use of movements like Salvo, Liberate Scotland and calling Conventions of the Estates. If you can’t convince more than a few thousand Scots of the wisdom of your case, it’s vanishingly unlikely the international community are going to pay any attention to appeals for recognition as a colony, or hand us independence when it’s achievable by the simple expedient of putting an X on a ballot.
Hmm, what are the views and concerns of Scots…
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Immigration being in the top three, and the rise of Reform support…
Aye, that’s because they are likely big fans of unmanaged immigration…
Maybe you might look at the survey work by McCrone and Keating#. I posted a link above.
It looks at proxies for sovereignty, finds semi sovereignties and Unionists.
It was done in 2021 and things may be different today or mebbe not.
link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com
Andy. you’re looking at it from a values and morals perspective. You don’t seemed to have learned anything from the Progressive Unionism of the SNP in it’s quest to create the first trans-humanist society. You can have whatever colour of independence you desire as long as you have the will and the organisation to carry it out. Yes, Misses Von der Lyen won’t like it, but it doesn’t matter.
@sam 1.57pm
Yeah, I think that looks familiar: I’m not convinced by the (at least to my mind) simplistic correlation between British unionism and European unionism. I don’t think there’s a lot to argue with in some of the rest of the analysis, but as you say things may look different if you did the same study now in comparison with 2021.
I think the prospect of a surge in Reform support and what has been happening with Trump, the EU and the international scene generally may have changed things. Few would have foreseen the rapid entry of Finland and Sweden in to NATO, or the meltdown in US leadership and the certainties of the post WW2 system.
I think there’s probably still a supermajority in Scotland that are and will be intensely relaxed at the prospect of an independent Scotland inside the EU and NATO (or a Europeanised NATO without the USA), whatever the sophomoric Uncle Vlad fluffers in here say.
“Those who have apparently abandoned civic nationalism in favour of divisive ethno-nationalism always take umbrage when I say that they don’t speak for the majority of the independence movement, and still less for the Scottish people as a whole, but when asked to produce evidence that their woo-woo beliefs have any popular support they always come up empty.”
Funnily enough Fanny you have NEVER produced any evidence when challenged for your assertions,just your usual pish about the majority think blah blah blah because of your mind reading skills, and BTW sucking up to the rev and quoting his thoughts disnae count
Just for adjudication purposes for those playing Franchise Fanny Crimbo Bingo Numberwang!
In this comment trail currently including two of Andy’s posts.
“civic nationalism / ethno-nationalism, don’t speak for the majority, woo-woo, sophomoric Uncle Vlad fluffers” gets you 7 points.
@twatbynametwatbynature
The onus is on you to prove that moonhowling nativist bigotry is the norm Twaty. There’s oodles of evidence in Scottish social attitudes survey about what folk think. There’s rather less in the way of decent polling evidence, as most polls of Scots opinions are only subsets of UK national polls.
However, if you’re so convinced that ethnic nationalism is a vote winner, show us the evidence. If there’s no polling evidence, go and commission one. If that’s too hard or too expensive, show us the evidence using other means: voting for parties that support blood and soil nationalism, Siol Nan Gaidheal membership shooting up, La Diada style demonstrations…you know, that kind of thing. [insert tumbleweed GIF here].
Otherwise people will just assume you blood and soil types are all mouth and trousers, huh?
No wonder you’re all so keen to be anonymous. Imagine actually admitting to having such views publicly.
And a quick update for that third comment from Andy.
“moonhowling, nativist, bigotry, ethnic nationalism, blood and soil nationalism, Siol Nan Gaidheal,La Diada, blood and soil types
Is worth 10 points.
C’moan noo, Andy.
I’m certain Twatty is spelled wi twa ‘T’s.
Name calling and sarcasm are the lowest form of wit my granny used to say,
My dear auld mammie used to say the lowest form of humour is limbo stand-up.
My granny used to say a lot of things, and I remember them all.
“If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.”
That was her catch phrase.
Is it worrying that Scotland does not appear to be in the united kingdom of England and Ireland since 1800,
Is that why you want to shut the conversation down, in case Scottish people cotton on sooner or later, it should not be repeated so newbees don’t read that scenario or question the records, Mmmmm.
The Snp , the dodgey trials, the governance, the gender issue, british media bias reporting or none reporting, resources and energy, education, excessive taxation, hate speech, womens and Children’s rights, war, housing, shipping, farming, land, the treaty itself, etc
All have a connective thread and are able to linked in any conversation here in Scotland to wether Scotland is independent,
And I doubt any of them could be separated from that ONE issue, or each other, not even political union parties in Scotland like the Snp would gleen any daylight as a union party.
Nor any other party or judge that failed to follow Scots law and the Scottish Constitution.
Guardian Online reporting the funeral of Stanislav Orlov.
That such a tragic fate should strike down early such a nice bloke. And at Christmas too!
One wonders at the intellectual Standard required for tribunals or Judges in Scotland if they have to turn to artificial intelligence. And still get it wrong,
How did they all cope before AI,
Obviously AI is not the answer for problem solving or lack of knowledge in any kind of Court when a judge of any sort is not learned in his profession,
JURY’s are.
Scotland the colony. Scotland the corrupt. Its all in play as the establishment and the system reveal time after time.
But one high profile, very high profile thing our rotten system is not asking any questions about is how it seems that a paedophile ring appears to have been operating at the most elevated section of Scottish society.
In this regard the latest exposure of emails having been sent from an ” invisible man” alias in Balmoral from someone signing of as ” A” to someone signing off as ” “G ” requesting the arrangement of some ” inappropriate friends ” for” fun ” very much suggests that something is very rotten in the Royal Estate.
The more that information like this leaks out, the more it denied, the more it is disregarded by the authorities, the more it seems that the Royal Estate is a cess pit of criminal international child abuse and corrupt influence. But no comment comment from our colonial masters. No comment to say there may be grounds to suspect criminal behaviour in a criminal conspiracy being carried out in Scotland.
All prosecutions in Scotland are carried out in the name of the Crown. In fact, in Scotland, there is even an institution of prosecution called the Crown Office. So think about that. Think about what these latest reports suggest about the conduct of our legal institution, under which all legal process is taken.
And not a comment about it from our Crown office. Party politics aside, but the sordid criminal saga of Epstein, Maxwell and friends appears to have been played out here in Scotland, and supported by the Royal Estate in Scotland, and not just elsewhere. But as I say, not a cheep from the Scottish authorities!
Makes you realise just how rotten the judicial establishment is here. At least in the USA they prosecuted and jailed Epstein and Maxwell. And at least in the USA they have been releasing evidence and detail. But here, its God save the King or the Queen as they say, and turn a blind eye to wrongdoing.
Who would have thought the Royal Estate in Scotland could have been part of a widespread child abuse ring, and a ring of malign influence. But then think back to the Jimmy Saville scandal and who was close to that.
Anyway, child abuse, even when in Scotland, seems not to be an issue for our athorities – or am I missing something?
Kings message tomorrow though!
willie says:
“Anyway, child abuse, even when in Scotland, seems not to be an issue for our athorities – or am I missing something?”
——————————————————
Yes you are missing:
“Scottish Child Abuse Inquiry
Investigating the abuse of children in care in Scotland
The Inquiry will report the outcome of its investigations to Scottish Ministers and make recommendations, including on any changes to practices, policies, and/or the law that it considers are required for the protection of children in the future.
7,607,621
Pages of evidence analysed
1,380
Witness statements published
566
Days of hearings to date
link to childabuseinquiry.scot“
I’m sure you’re right, willie.
And I’m sure the authorities will be all over it soon.
But first they have to clear the logjam including the Alex Salmond case that is still being pursued, the camper van case, the missing 600K, the damages for the jam jar recycling, Sandie Peggie, uncounted other gender woowoo and hurty feelz cases, and many others I lack the will or interest to list.
Just be patient, willie. It’ll all come good eventually. But first things first, eh?
The difference between the two is the English approach to the Scottish approach,
English Approach.
One tells, lies or bullies Scots how to think, does not ask except to his own circle.
Scottish Approach.
The other does not, it informs Scots of records and historical events, news, that was often done behind closed doors, but that they can verify for themselves if they want too.
The MacCrone report is a fine example of what the difference is between the Scotland and England approach is and where it differs.
Dissolving the treaty of union in 1800 to become a English parliament in England and not informing Scotland or the Scottish people is another fine example.
I reckon about twenty percent of posts btl here belong to Hatey. I think most are in reply and all of them are nonsense. There’s one that infers the ‘usual suspects’ are wrecking any chance of independence, that’s the blame others of which you yourself are guilty kind of thing.
However if wrecking any chance of independence by the ‘usual suspects’ is the case then they should surely be left alone to get on with it. Why are you frothing angry yoons trying to stop your enemy when that enemy is making a mistake?
So yoons, why not leave the ‘usual suspects’ alone stop denigrating them let them freely make mistakes and before you know it Scotland will simply disappear and the land will become Englands green and pleasant land. Simple.
So please shut the fuck up or you could ruin everything.
PS could you please name and rank the ‘usual suspects’ as has been done with the yoons above. It’s perhaps a good idea to let new and casual readers know exactly who the worst of the worst are. And again, shut the fuck up!
I make it 21%, Stu.
Are you rounding up or rounding down?
And Stu, why aren’t you posting under your real name? It’s your site!
“Scots take an inclusive approach to independence
Only 50% of those who support Scottish independence say that being born in Scotland is important to being ‘truly Scottish’, compared with 59% of those who oppose independence. Meanwhile, 78% of Brexit supporters believe that being born in Britain matters to ‘being truly British’, whereas only 45% of Remainers feel that way.”
link to natcen.ac.uk
3/9/2024
“While 42% of those who support independence say that having Scottish ancestry is important to being Scottish, this is rather less than the 51% that oppose independence who take that view. In contrast, 65% of those who back Brexit say that having British ancestry matters to being British, compared with just 28% of those who would vote to remain in the EU.
These differences are starkly reflected in attitudes towards immigration. Those in favour of being outside the EU are also more likely than those who wish to remain to endorse negative statements about immigrants. 57% of opponents of EU membership agree that immigrants increase crime rates, compared with just 17% of those who would vote to remain. In contrast, those who would vote yes to independence are less likely than those who would back no to agree with these negative statements. 32% of those who support Scotland remaining part of the UK agree that immigrants increase crime rates, compared with only 19% of those who would vote for Scottish independence.
In our accompanying Scottish Social Attitudes, we found 46% of people in Scotland feel that having Scottish ancestry is important to being Scottish, while British Social Attitudes found only 32% of people in England say that British ancestry is important to being British.
Sir John Curtice, Senior Research Fellow at the National Centre for Social Research said: “Our systematic comparison of people’s understanding of national identity on the two sides of the border turns up a surprise. Although Scottish identity has been promoted, not least by the Scottish National Party (SNP), as an inclusive, ‘civic’ identity, in fact, having Scottish family background is thought by many to be as a key ingredient of being Scottish. This may reflect the fact that, in the absence of statehood and a legal definition of who is Scottish definition, people are more likely to think of Scottish identity as a social attribute rather than a political phenomenon.””
As always, sam, more illuminating for what is omitted rather than what is said.
Where are the figures permitting comparisons between the majority of Scots who speak English and the minority of Scots who speak Scots?
Where are the figures permitting comparisons between the majority of Scots who have living or ancestral relatives with a solid colonising track record, for example in the Americas or Antipodes, and the minority of Scots who believe they’re brutally oppressed by a hostile, colonising power?
These are the subjects that interest Wings BTL – speaking in Scots and being crushed by the occupier. You need to find stats more suited to our comfort zones.
Willie,
No you are not missing the mark,
Jimmy Savelle even had a holiday cottage in Scotland. While the crown courts veer away the from taint mark like a bulldozer with weirdo steering to avoid a crash or perhaps end up joining the party by accident later on way up in the glens of Scotland,
Fine hidie holes in Scotland, all that is required is to keep the locals of their own land, this is easily done with private estate, national trusts, etc,
Now where are the bodies buried of those poor unfortunate youngsters, that didnt make it,
did anyone investigate or search the land and bogs in jimmy Savelles property like they supposedly did with Epstein’s,
Actually was there not some hotel or big house in Scotland highlands also allegedly accused of similar behaviour.
“7 March 2025
Demolition work has started at a cottage in the Highlands formerly owned by Jimmy Savile.
The site’s new owner has been granted planning permission to demolish the existing single-storey house and replace it with a new four-bedroom, one-and-a-half storey house.”
DaveL,
Thank you,
Let Scots make our own mistakes, stop telling us what mistakes to make.
Much appreciated.
agentx,
Thanks for that info,
Local Councils do not give out planning permission very easily in Scotland especially in Green belts and near special category land for nature or peat land,
“But then think back to the Jimmy Saville scandal and who was close to that.” Willie at 1.57pm.
That’d be king big ears the tampon wannabe aka Chas3
You can’t get away from his crowd these days. Chas does this Chas does that Chas doesn’t like brother any more.
Wee royal helps poor people, saucer eyed royal doesn’t like dad anymore, wrinkly consort prune walks about nicely, Chas well pleased with arse cure etc etc etc.
Aye the Brit press knows what’s good for the people alright, all that coverage just makes the nation love them more and more. Theykre so honourable (maybe to honourable’ Praise the Lord and peel me a grape!
As someone once said there’s three in this relationship. Diana, Charles and could it be perchance our current queen, our revered queen no less.
Funny old world really but Andrew seems to come from a royal line of the inappropriate fornication. And the old auntie Maggie was she not fond of a bit of the how’s your father too. And good old uncle Lord Louis Mount B he had a bit of a reputation too. Swung each way and often it is said.
And friends of the firm. Well Sir James Saville OBE seems to have been a good mucker of Chas 3 and he was a bit of a boy. Necrophilia was one of his things. Birds of a feather somehow comes to mind. All tarred with the same stick another descriptor perchance.
But hey how, we’ll get the big speech tommorow from Chas 3. God Save the King. Caliguan to the core they are.
I hear next year’s Speyside Stages car rally based around Elgin has been cancelled due to not being able to gain access to the surrounding forests.
That event, like other rallies in Scotland, have been run for many years and brings a lot to the respective areas.
But I understand that the ideological views of the new management of the Forestry Commission in Scotland have been making it difficult, so again a long-running traditional activity is being suppressed by bureaucrats.
Bloody Forestry and Land Scotland (FLS) what are they like eh!
“what are they like”
Pretty much like any other colonial institution, it seems, in imposing its alien cultural ‘values’ on the people of an annexed territory, enforcing societal domination and enabling ‘the cultural recreation of the colonizer’ (Fanon).
Again, colonialism is never simply ‘a matter of class’, colonial oppression and its ever present consubstantial racism always has an ethnic orientation.
I’m bloody annoyed now, Alf, because you’ve made me break the promise I made to myself.
But please tell me you’re not the real Professor Alf Baird!
Rallies are the perfect activity for forests, which can soak up the carbon emissions immediately. It’s not as if the too dense to let in daylight, monocultures of non-native Sitka Spruce and Lodgepole Pine are much good for anything else anyways.
A Merry Christmas tae aw youse wha roam theis place.
May God leuk favorably upo ye and yer kin theis day and aw days left tae youse.
And may peace and guidwill be theis day’s gift tae aw folk awwhaur roond theis world.
Merry Christmas! A fly press tastic happy new year! 🙂
Pretty much like any other colonial institution, it seems, in imposing its alien cultural ‘values’ on the people of an annexed territory, enforcing societal domination and enabling ‘the cultural recreation of the colonizer’
Absolutely right Mr Baird. When you look at the complexion of the various state bodies it is not difficult to see how all of the various agencies are used as Trojan Horses.
Look at bodies like the National Park Authorities. Who do they serve. Who exactly are the people who are placed in them. But its much more extensive and insidious than that as well you know.
And of course the plantation of Scotland with English immigrants is moving apace. Glendale in Skye, famous for its resistance on land issues now has something like 80% of the houses owned by English folks.
And the encroachment into areas of law and administration the colonisers tentacles run deep. And dont anyone’s aye that the coloniser’s tentacles dont run deep into the political system because they do.
You realise that all to well Mr Baird, many others do too, but more need to fully understand exactly what goes on around them. The authors to which you refer have researched colonisation deeply and you have too.
Nor do folks generally realise just how brutal the British can be in trying to hold on to their colonial possessions. If subterfuge, deception, media manipulation don’t work then there are more overt ways.
They didn’t call the euphemistically called NI Troubles the Dirty War for nothing. But there are some good books that give clarity on how things were and are done. Books like Bunch of Five, Gangs and Counter Gands, Low Intensity Operations all authored by Brig Gen Sir Frank Kitson are a good start.
Removed from publication and from libraries everywhere during the NI Troubles these books are now available as legacy reprints from Faber and Faber.
Colonisation is a dirty business. And its consequences are all around as American Indians and Aboriginals can attest. But there’s a whole world out there that was once a British Empire colony and slowly and surely they have all left.
And Scotland will too.
Its a message that needs to be reinforced at every opportunity. Great Brits
It appears that Santa omitted to deliver ‘The Big Book of Spelling’ to somebody! Maybe next year but………………..
only if you behave!
Merry Christmas to all, My best wishes to everyone for the coming year,
Take a look at this:
link to ppvland.co.uk
It’s brilliant, what a guy send him money right now
Comments are open…
Merry Christmas all!
& Happy New Year, 2026 here’s hoping its the end of the SNP for good.
If USA falls we all fall.
The rest of the world is a shit show,
EU,Canada,Australia,Middle East,Africa,China,India Pakistan,South America,England,Russia.
Elon`s space craft will leave for Mars as the Earth burns in a nuclear holocaust.
If the yanks are stupid enough to let MAGA burn their republic to the ground, than that’s on them and the US voting public in general who re-elected Trump who should have been jailed for insurrection over the attempted coup at the end of his first term.
The Europeans are much more likely to hunker down and turn the EU in to a federation – or at least confederation – if the USA goes totally off the rails. We’re already seeing it in responses to the war in the east, and the USA becoming an unreliable partner and ally.
The only sane response for the UK – or a future independent Scotland – is to make sure they are part of the EU, or at the very least part of the EEA like Norway. If the post WW2 international order is being re-written, the only alternative for Europe to being dictated to by Beijing, Moscow or Washington, is to ensure it is economically and militarily powerful enough to secure its own collective interests.
Other than a lack of political will and leadership there is nothing inherently stopping an economic and political bloc the size of Europe from becoming one pole in a multipolar world order.
Merry Christmas to you all in here even the troll collective as it is the season of goodwill. The house I was invited to for lunch had the king’s speech on and with all the video clips of the so called working royals it was little more than a PR stunt for the family firm. No sign of the Andrew formerly known as prince.
I hope you all had a lovely Christmas day with family and friends,
PR stunt for the king of England and part of Ireland indeed, no longer protector of the faith of England or Ireland, he swears an oath too,
just intergration of brits suggestions and follow your leaders into into de-indrustialisation with energy Crises. While no mention of Andrew-Epstein-james Savelle OBE, Louis Monbatten or sordid affairs within marriage,
Merry Xmas to the the king of England and all those who succeed to the throne.
Meanwhile it is being suggested to people in Scotland to give up their Sovereignty to the EU bloc instead and become civic civilian and join in with people that will attempt to steal Countries assests,
That backfired,
Cos , other Countries started withdrawing their finances and assets when they realised it could happen to them also.
No Country or nation wants that to happen to them,.
Become a civic nation of the EU bloc and Watch your assets disappear, join the EU army and watch your people disappear,
and Watch Scottish identity and culture disappears along with the Sovereignty of the land of Scotland.
Whats not to like about frying pan and fire scenario,
EU or England,
If Scotland is stupid enough to go along with encompassing civic nationalism, EU and StarmerS dodgy plans, our land and people will disappear into a void quicker than the imaginary black hole of the labour trying to sneak us back into the EU,
Democracy and votes in Englands Britain can be tweeked or rigged or avoided being held altogether, if those and your agenda need to cheat to get there, so be it, in the EU and forced to inter-grate.
The Question is a obvious one,
Who actually would benefit from owning Scotland and using its people in such a way.
Indeed it so similar and close to Englands Westminster version for Scotland except on a larger and quicker scale, it is hard to place a sheet of paper between them,
Stealing assets and owning people. Not new to Scotland.
Slaves for sale anyone?
Willie wrote :
“And of course the plantation of Scotland with English immigrants is moving apace. Glendale in Skye, famous for its resistance on land issues now has something like 80% of the houses owned by English folks.”
It needs to be pointed out that the ONLY reason for that being the situation, is that the former LOCAL owners of these properties deliberately chose to sell them to Non-Local buyers rather than to sell them to local people needing a home in Glendale.
Remember, no house-seller needs to sell to the highest bidder. The seller can sell to whomsoever he chooses, or indeed decide not to sell at all.
Why did the sellers make the choice to sell to the ‘non-local buyers?
One must assume it was because they put personal gain before doing a wee bit of good for their own community. Whoever else you blame, don’t blame the new owners.
As ye sow, so shall ye reap.
Maybe some of the Scottish people are not aware of what the warmongering EU attempted to do that was illegal.
That scared other Countries.
You will find it explained from a political analysis point of view on the Duran on youtube.
That Britain and France encouraged this move, tells you all you need to know.
This is what the person whom calls us moonhowlers wants us to be part of,
Sneaky directives civic nationalism for supplying war and financial benefits to oneself
Just another stealth move for control and take over.
Not really here to encourage the people in Scotland to stand in their own Sovereignty, on their own land, and in their own Country,
What is omitted being said, is what is important here.
Delusional nonsense I’m afraid James, which is sadly of a piece with the rest of the tsunami of bilge you subject BTL commentary on here to. You’re going to have to give us some clue what it is you’re alleging that the warmongering EU has done which was illegal and what laws you contend the EU or those 2 countries have broken.
You don’t have a great record providing any evidence or third party back up for the reams of stream of consciousness pish about the Treaties of Union you continue to spaff around with such abandon. Goodness knows what Duran on YouTube is meant to refer to, unless it’s the 80’s band singing about Rio.
Civic nationalism is the mainstream opinion shared by the overwhelming majority of pro independence Scots, notwithstanding the búrach the SNP are making of the campaign. If you’re saying otherwise, provide the proof via polling evidence or support for those advocating ethnic, exclusionary blood and soil nationalism.
You won’t of course, firstly because there is no such evidence, and secondly even if there was you lack the intellectual honesty to admit your own bigotry.
If you think the Finns and Swedes who recently hurriedly abandoned their long standing neutrality, who are both enthusiastic EU members and full throated supporters of defeating Uncle Vlad and his Orcs that you and so many others in here either support or tacitly condone because *reasons*.
The only think stopping Scots people standing on their own sovereignty is their lack of political balls: we’re not colonised or oppressed, just too frit and unconvinced that the current independence parties and movement are fit for purpose.
Why else would the number of Scots saying they would vote for an odious, regressive, far right movement like Reform far outweigh the numbers saying they’d vote for or support the micro parties advancing your views James? It’s because they’re mightily fed up with ALL the current parties, unionist and nationalist, which appear to be doing SFA to improve their basic standards of living, public services or future prospects.
What is it you aver is not being said that is more important? It all sounds ab bit hysterical and tin foil hat-ish, which again will surprise precisely nobody given your propensity for posting reams of half-baked stream of consciousness guff.
Like gender ideology, so-called ‘civic nationalism’ ideology is also “Delusional nonsense” of the ‘snake oil’ variety, and cost us our liberation in 2014:
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
So called ‘civic nationalism’ reflects this in the finding that (Bond 2015): ‘Many of those who contributed to the decision on Scotland’s constitutional future in 2014 would not understand themselves as subjectively Scottish at all’.
“I’m not a colonising colonist… I’m a civic nationalist,” said the colonising colonist.
Ah, the one referred to as Franchise Fanny.
You paint two extremes then push your narrative under a voice of a calm reason that represents the silent majority. Nobody falls for that pish any more.
@Bilbo 8.02pm
Civic nationalism DOES represent the silent majority though Bilbo. No amount of self referential posting by Professor Baird of his vanity published works will change the facts.
Similarly the usual suspects routinely insist that their deeply regressive and repugnant views about franchise restriction, the flawed “Scotland as a colony” narrative, either represent the majority view amongst pro independence Scots, or even more ridiculously Scots as a whole.
They never have any actual evidence of course and go peculiarly quiet when asked to provide any: we get zip, nada, niente. No polling figures, no evidence of large numbers of people signing the petitions they keep banging on about, no demonstrations of academic authorities supporting their arguments, no Catlan style La Diada demos demanding franchise restriction and the death of civic nationalism.
We all see you: the tartan MAGA types who are (colour us unsurprised) ideologically aligned with the Jockistinians and the Uncle Vlad fluffers in furtherance of making Scotland a local place for local people.
Just like the troons and their allies in the TWAW debate you’ve actually convinced yourselves somehow that you represent the silent majority when in fact ordinary voters think you’re extremist freaks.
Indeed Andy and as far as I am aware there isn’t a single example of a country anywhere in the world successfully operating under the principles of ethnic nationalism. It is certainly not something that the international community would either welcome in a newly independent Scotland or accept as a legitimate basis for a democratic event. In fact, it would provide a convenient and legitimate excuse for the British state to try slow or stop entirely, Scotland’s path to independence.
You’ve previously asked some very reasonable and basic questions around the definition of who would be enfranchised in this proposed system and how it would be administered and enforced, and of course no sensible answer has been received. Likely because it would start to sound like the works of Hendrik Verwoerd. Instead we get vague vibes about people voting who’re staying overnight in a hotel or catching a connecting flight through Scotland or other such fictitious nonsense.
Even the MAGA types by the way, generally reject ethnic nationalism at least in public.
Franchise Fanny says:
“Just like the troons and their allies in the TWAW debate you’ve actually convinced yourselves somehow that you represent the silent majority when in fact ordinary voters think you’re extremist freaks.”
That’s a bit harsh on your pronoun sporting daughter!
“Civic nationalism DOES represent the silent majority”
If it’s silent how can it possibly be known if civic nationalism forms a majority or not?
Anyway…
Civic nationhood is a political identity built around shared citizenship within the state.
Here, that sounds great… but wait – can the indigenous peoples of the world inhabiting their separate geographically bound nations trust their respective politicians and their respective states to do what’s in the best interests for the continued existence of those peoples?
The answer is naw – they absolutely cannot.
Civic nationalism invites indigenous peoples to throw away their cultures and their traditions and their histories and their unique identities to create what is no more than a layer of abstraction that can be used by states as yet another form of control over their peoples.
The gods of Totalitarianism rely on a very, very large number of people all singing to the same tune.
Totalitarianism cannot thrive in a world made of many unique peoples and their unique identities.
The European Union had ambitions – now fucked, hopefully – to homogenise the different nations and their peoples of a continent and generate enough of a mass momentum to create a totty god that would inevitably – because that’s what they do – shit all over that homogenised people.
Fuck civic nationalism… fuck the homogenisation of peoples… fuck totalitarianism.
Bring back the Lira and the Franc, the Krona and the Drachma, the Deutsch Mark and the Punt.
Viva la difference – as the ‘proud to be different’ French say – or used to, anyway.
” It is certainly not something that the international community would either welcome in a newly independent Scotland or accept as a legitimate basis for a democratic event”
What is this nonsense you spout, AI Dan?
Are you attempting to make humour with your not-quite-fully-developed ‘humour chip’?
I thought your American programmers might have shut you down over the Christmas period while they update your ‘common sense’ module.
I don’t know if you artificial intelligence types are programmed to celebrate Christmas, but just in case…
MERRY CHRISTMAS, AI DAN, MERRY CHRISTMAS!
HO! HO! HO!
And no… I haven’t just called you a prostitute three times in American slang. I was just emulating Santa laughs in text.
@ Dan 11.13am
In the unlikely event you’ve ever been able to convince a woman to let you near enough to father children Dan, I’d hope that you wouldn’t expect them to have no opinions other than your own….particularly as it’d mean in your case they’d be nativist bigots.
I don’t happen to agree with sporting pronouns, but it’s still preferable to being a blood and soil ethnic nationalist. 🙂
@Alf 6.45 pm
Like gender ideology, so-called ‘civic nationalism’ ideology is also “Delusional nonsense” of the ‘snake oil’ variety, and cost us our liberation in 2014:…
As has been previously discussed though Alf, ethno-nationalist bigots don’t get to set the referendum franchise and decide on who is and isn’t pure enough to qualify for a vote.
Even in the unlikely event that any future Scottish government were socially regressive enough to endorse the kind of discrimination based on blood you and the other bigots who infest BTL here crave, it wouldn’t necessarily return the result you want.
For every bigot vote you gained you’d lose far more from outraged progressive civic nationalists who would rightly see your world view as akin to apartheid or Trumpian MAGA anti-immigrant politics.
As has also been pointed out – numerous times – there is virtually no precedent for the kind of blood or ethnic based franchise restriction you advocate, certainly not in self determination votes which aren’t unambiguously accepted as decolonisation. The international community simply won’t recognise any independence vote which excluded hundreds of thousands of residents.
If you think Salvo and Liberate Scotland are going to come back from their quixotic approach to the UN for recognition that Scotland is a non self governing territory and that they will countenance a franchise for any vote (whether a referendum or plebiscitary elections) which excluded non-native born Scots, or those who hadn’t lived here for more than a relatively short period like 24 months, you’re even more deluded than most of us suspected.
@Dan
Bringing someone’s kid into it is lower than a snake’s belly.
I mean, I know you’re a miserable, bitter bastard, but that’s just beyond the pale.
@Capt. Caveman 2.49pm
Blood and soil bigot types just can’t help themselves bud. He’s not the first and doubtless won’t be the last: these people have no morals. No matter how low you think the bar might be set for them, one of the wastes of oxygen in here will limbo right under it.
They are of course analogous to the yoon pieces of work who monstered the cybernat7 prior to #indyref1. I wasn’t the only one of them who had anonymous snivelling cowards contacting my employers to get me fired. Dan is just the ethno-nationalist bigot equivalent of such unreasoning yoons.
“…ethno-nationalist bigots don’t get to set the referendum franchise and decide on who is and isn’t pure enough to qualify for a vote”
Unless they are English ethno-nationalist bigots, of course.
You can be sure that if the situation were reversed and England was setting the voting franchise for its own independence referendum only those ‘English’ who could prove their ancestors fought with Edward I or had some familial connection to the Saxe Coburg Gotha dynasty would be given the right to vote on England’s future.
The idea that ‘New English’ would be given such a vote is beyond credible.
In England, the voting rights for the Brexit (independence from Europe) referendum were determined by the Representation of the People Acts. Most EU citizens living in the UK were not allowed to vote in general elections, including those with pre-settled, settled, or indefinite leave to remain status.
The Scottish independence referendum was marginally more open than England’s Brexit in that those aliens who came from no farther than the Alpha Centauri triple star system located in the southern constellation of Centaurus and who had spent at least an entire (long) weekend living in Scotland were also allowed to vote on Scotland’s future.
Ach, awa an dinae talk pish, ya pair o tag team fannies.
My point was that folk, whether related* or not, will hold different opinions.
*By highlighting the relative (grown adult) holding a different view to himself, it might be emotive enough for the argumentative twat to finally comprehend and accept that we don’t all have the same views.
But no CC, FF is bonkers, and just continues on with his relentless efforts (with obvious support from unionists like yourself) to cause disruption and discord, and posts out the same tired old shite tarring and smearing folk of being things they are not, which is behaviour lower than a snake’s belly.
He assassinates black signets whilst pretending to yearn for a black swan to arrive.
It’s comedy (albeit dark) watching this low grade shite play out and observe how you guys operate. Triggered to latch on and respond to pretty much any opportunity to attack individuals.
It’s textbook how to fuck a site modus, and would only be carried out by, and allowed to continue as it has for quite so long, by folk that have no great interest or urgency in allowing Scotland and Scots’ lives to improve.
Nah. I don’t care what yours or anyone else’s views are – some things just aren’t done, and that’s one of them pal.
It’s about standards, common decency and class – and you’ve none.
@ Dan 4.20pm
For the benefit of the minimally self aware or those who read with their lips moving like yourself Dan, nobody thinks that other adults don’t have different opinions or that they’re quite entitled to them.
What you’re NOT entitled to do is assert that they’re commonplace, still less those of the majority silent or otherwise, when they are in fact fringe views held by the outer fringes of the independence movement. Just like any mass movement, it will contain it’s leavening of cranks, misfits and weirdos, as well as some unavowed nasty pieces of work.
We all know where you and some of the usual suspects polluting BTL discourse on here sit on that spectrum, as your cheap shot about a family member amply demonstrates.
And of course it unsurprising that you don’t see anything wrong with your behaviour because that’s the kind of low life you undoubtedly are in real life as well as from behind the safety of your anonymous moniker on here. All mouth and trousers and no backbone.
As demonstrated in the btl attacks here, the assimilated natives “place themselves in a considerably superior position to the average colonizer, push a colonial mentality to excess, display a proud disdain for the colonized and continually show off their borrowed rank, which often belies a vulgar brutality and avidity.” (Memmi)
Of course, being assimilated into another culture, “they also remain unsure of their identity”. Which is what it all comes down to in the en – dae ye feel mair Scottish, or more British/English?
@ Alf 5.16pm
Au contraire (that’s French that is…) Alf, I feel sure enough of my identity not to have to affect kale yard Brigadoonery in a doomed attempt to bolster my quixotic fixation with post-colonial theory.
Alert readers might be interested to know that the number of Scots claiming French as their mother tongue is the same as the number claiming Scots as their main language: 0.3% in both cases. 🙂
I’ve never felt anything other than Scots, not English or British whatever my passport says. I didn’t need some self aggrandising convert to post colonial theory banging on about how “we wuz robbed” to come up with my belief in the benefits of and necessity for Scottish independence either.
“It always triggers the moonhowlers when I point out that the most influential voice in Scottish political blogging thinks their views are odious…
So what, sycophant (boak)?
It don’t mean WoS are right – personal opinions are like arseholes… everybody has one and they are invariably worthless (not the actual arseholes, you understand. Arseholes are marvels of biological engineering if one thinks about it.
Ultimately, my opinions are worthless… as are yours.
And who really knows – maybe WoS are secret unionists and are very happy with the current UK ‘constitutional’ setup and are very cleverly distracting us indigenous Scots who wander their domain.
You know, despite the act and the overly pseudo-intellectual lingo you dribble aboot this place… I suspect you don’t attract much support for your views such is the paucity of persuasion in your weak rhetoric.
My braw rhetoric (my powerful pish whit I spray aboot this place), however, more than likely has persuaded the tens of millions of Scots who visit this place every day and read my comments (but probably not yours) that Scotland is indeed a non-self-governing territory illegally ruled by a foreign power.
And that the Scots are an oppressed people held hostage in their own land whilst their nation’s riches are plundered by England.
Also, you are very, very rude to the Scots on here and, maist likely, outside of this place anaw.
I suppose a considerably superior intellect high above that of the average Scot entitles one to exhibit such rudeness.
Aye Alf, it’s so obvious what is going on.
These arseholes will pick up on and try to make hay out of the slightest thing.
CC and FF working hand in glove to try to have a go at me for pointing out the obvious double standard of FF’s ridiculous btl hostility and over-reaction to anyone that doesn’t agree with his particular views.
Yet CC fails to be bothered by or defends Reform which he purports to support for FF stating they are “an odious, regressive, far right movement like Reform“.
It’s jist contrived divisive and disruptive shite the lot of it from them.
“But no CC, FF is bonkers, and just continues on with his relentless efforts (with obvious support from unionists like yourself) to cause disruption and discord”
You could try and frame that in a way that doesn’t make it sound overtly like the trial of an unfortunate student dissident in the USSR. In any case what exactly is being “disrupted” here, the cutting edge grand strategy on the cusp of returning Scotland to its status of an independent country? Or more likely some bored half-cut pensioners endlessly howling into the void or delivering us tannoy lectures about some imagined legal concepts and history they’ve dreamt up.
I notice what isn’t present in any of the complaints here is a reasoned defence of ethnic nationalism, restrictions on voting rights or any practical description either of what the policy might be or how it could be implemented. By all means take the floor.
“Alert readers might be interested to know that the number of Scots claiming French as their mother tongue is the same as the number claiming Scots as their main language: 0.3% in both cases…”
An outright lie easily disproved… your rhetoric is truly abysmal.
Also, why do you, and other colonists on here, so frequently use the “alert readers” phrase?
WoS uses it on occasion – they originated it in their articles I believe…it’s said that imitation is the greatest form of flattery.
I, being a colonised Scot psychologically damaged by Scotland’s oppressor, cannot stand being the object of flattery – I detest it.
I detest it because my colonizer has convinced me that I am worthless and deserving of nothing good… I just don’t trust those who attempt to flatter me.
It’s a psychological symptom commonly observed in the oppressed… Google it – it’s true.
Colonists, in contrast, love having their egos stroked and flattered – being all superior and shit.
“These arseholes will pick up on and try to make hay out of the slightest thing”
Bringing someone’s daughter up like that isn’t “the slightest thing” though is it. Shall we all start attacking peoples families, or shall we keep it above the belt?
Captain Caveman says: at 4:43 pm
“Nah. I don’t care what yours or anyone else’s views are…”
Yawn, then why are you even bothering to read this site and respond.
@ Northcode 6.15 pm
An outright lie easily disproved… your rhetoric is truly abysmal.
The figures aren’t hard to find Northcode.
What % of Scots claim Scots as their main Language:
link to spice-spotlight.scot
Feel free to apologise anytime.
Also, why do you, and other colonists on here, so frequently use the “alert readers” phrase?
You must be a hoot at parties. Of course it’s a reference to Rev Stu’s phrase. Any regular reader would know and appreciate it.
Anyone without a sense of humour bypass like you would realise it was a deliberate rhetorical device denoting that the the majority of WoS readers and appreciators think the patter of you and yer moonhowling mates is pish.
I detest it because my colonizer has convinced me that I am worthless and deserving of nothing good…
In your case, if in nothing else, the voices in your head (the imaginary “coloniser”) was quite correct.
@ AiDan says: at 6.25 pm
Above the belt?
And jist what “rules” are we playing with here. Your rules which dictate that someone pointing out a twat endlessly hurling abuse and endlessly misrepresenting and tarring and smearing individuals over a protracted length of time is absolutely fine. But someone having the audacity to point out that it is highly unlikely FF treats his own offspring that hold different views to his with a similar invective is a horrendous thing to say.
She’s a grown adult ffs, not a wee bairn, one who actively chooses to put her pronouns in her bio and perpetuates the nonsense this very site that FF posts on is so fixated on and trying to end.
That’s the actions of a moonhowling denier of biological reality any day of the week, but I guess they get a free pass, or crimbo dinner with family must be a right old barrel of laughs.
Any of my family that supports this divisive insanity gets short shift and cut out of my will, and any inheritance they may have been getting will go to a cat sanctuary to send a message.
But that’s my “rules”, others of course may hold differing views, but cats are cool and trump insane humans any day of the week in the giving a fuck for league table, so obviously my rules make more sense.
Anyway, chop chop and back to work for you young lad and stop slacking on t’internet, those taxes won’t generate themselves to pay for all the shite you are supportive, ongoing union, trams, reams of bad governance structures and tagged on civil service and quango non-jobs.
The figures aren’t hard to find Northcode.
Actually, I wasn’t disputing the figures – I was alluding to the fact that there aren’t any Scots who can claim French as their mother tongue because the mother tongue of the Scots is… Scots.
There are, of course, Scottish Gaelic speakers who might legitimately claim Gaelic is their mother tongue.
Three innocuous posts… all sent to moderation.
I’m beginning to wonder if Ellis is a WoS alter-ego. Or maybe I’m just typing my moniker and mail address incorrectly… who knows?
If someone puts their pronouns in their bio they get cut out of your will do they Dan? Are you particularly popular person in your family? Or are you the infamous uncle that every new member of the family gets told about?
@ Northcode
Three innocuous posts… all sent to moderation.
I’m beginning to wonder if Ellis is a WoS alter-ego. Or maybe I’m just typing my moniker and mail address incorrectly… who knows?
I think there’s a much more likely and pedestrian explanation bud: you’re using words on Rev Stu’s naughty list and/or he’s finally exasperated with the quality and content of your output.
The simplest explanation is usually the best as Occam’s Razor tells us.
This comment might appear more than once… if it appears at all. I tried to post it (and versions of it) a few times, but all went to moderation.
[REST OF POST REMOVED – RevStu]
This comment might appear more than once… if it appears at all. I tried to post it (and versions of it) a few times, but all went to moderation.”
IT’S BEEN 14 YEARS. WHAT PART OF “DO NOT POST THE SAME COMMENT MULTIPLE TIMES” DO PEOPLE STILL NOT FUCKING UNDERSTAND?
It’s sodding Christmas. I’m having some time off from refereeing all the squabbling children in the comments. If you can’t abide by the rules, it’s going to take me a while to get round to manually approving anything that’s fallen foul of the filters. If you try to circumvent the process by breaking the biggest rule of all, you’ll find ALL your comments going to pre-mod in future, if you’re LUCKY.
FFS.
I think I’ve figured out why one of my comments has been bounced into the WoS wilderness…
It’s because I was quoting Ellis’s potty-mouthedness (chortle) nonsensical ravings in them.
It seems the WoS moderation system is in perfect working order and operates as it should after all.
“WHAT PART OF “DO NOT POST THE SAME COMMENT MULTIPLE TIMES” DO PEOPLE STILL NOT FUCKING UNDERSTAND?”
I guess thatpart, on my part.
I sincerely apologise to WoS for breaking their posting rules.
As far as I’m aware I don’t think I have broken this rule before now, but now that I have been personally warned of my misdemeanour in such unmistakable terms I solemnly swear on the ghost of Saint Nicholas never to break it ever again.
Merry Christmas, WoS.
“WHAT PART OF “DO NOT POST THE SAME COMMENT…”
Since nothing much is happening in this place at the moment I thought it might be useful to post a warning that might assist in the smooth operation of the WoS website.
I’ve just remembered something – and in the interests of preventing the same thing happening to others as happened to me who post comments here I feel I should make folk aware of it.
I accept that I posted the same comment a few times – a crime for which I have already been severely, and very publicly, reprimanded and have now apologised profusely for.
However, and for the WoS administrator’s information and no other reason, and certainly not as an excuse for my own impatient imbecility… there was no warning given that my post had been sent to pre-moderation.
The site returned to the homepage – very very quickly, much more quickly than normal, almost instantly – after clicking on the ‘submit’ button and no information was provided as to what had happened to my post.
I waited 20 mins (certainly the first time, I think) to see if my comment had appeared and when it hadn’t I attempted to re-post it a couple more times.
Perhaps I should have assumed that the comment in question WAS being submitted and that I wasn’t being notified there was an issue with its contents and that it had been sent to pre-mod.
Now I know better…
@ Northcode 4.14pm
In the unlikely event of the English deciding they wanted to dissolve the union I doubt they’d lose their bottle like Scots did in 2014. They would however be constrained by the same approach from the point of view of international law as anyone else.
As you admit yourself, the difference in franchises between the brexit vote and #indyref1 was marginal. You repeat the tired old trope common amongst ethnic nationalist bigots that anyone who as much as flew over Scotland could vote. If it wasn’t so sadly delusional it’d be entertaining.
You could of course just address the issue of why Scotland – uniquely out of virtually all the other dozens of countries which have held self determination referendums – should use a franchise that excludes hundreds of thousands of residents of the country.
I’m happy to repost the list of all the many such votes which used franchises the same as (and in many cases more open) than that used in Scotland in 2014.
As ever of course you won’t address inconvenient truths, like those advance by Rev Stu in his original twitter fisking a few years ago of the regressive plan to use a more restricted franchise.
It always triggers the moonhowlers when I point out that the most influential voice in Scottish political blogging thinks their views are odious, even as they insist he’s just one man…albeit one whose high traffic platform they are happy to hi-jack and try to use to fluff their low support, deeply regressive bigotry.
And newby AiDan enters the chat…
Get your programmers to read a bit further back, and you will see plenty of discussion on the subject which of course isn’t such the binary picture as you try to infer, ya complete trolling unionist and tram supporting bawbag.
Anyway, should you not be busy working to pay taxes to cover those trams and also for the overly high-priced property you covet, with the big mortgages you have to endure, and leave us successful old farts to enjoy ripping the pish out of you daft bots and unionists as we exist comfortably on the past “fruits of our labors” (sic).
Charles(not the R one).
This is infiltration of people encouraged to move to Scotland has been on going for Centuries, that is how the Coutry estates came to be owned by them in the first instance, by forcing Scottish people out,
Then in seeps down to the next generations. by dividing Smaller parcels of land to none Scots,
And now we have Councils, mostly controlled by those supportive of the union theory being selective in whom they provide planning permission too,
And whom they allocate Council housing to,
This was done in Wales,
This was done in Ireland,
And it is long term vote rigging.
But those that have moved here are definitely going to have consider where their loyalties lie and to whom,
As England is now being overtaken by other replacement foreign nations on purpose. Become out voted,
Do they align with Scots whom have a similar set of morals ( although not quite identical as Scottish Morals have been more steadfast over time ) or with the new incomers down south that are favoured for everything first on the list. Wether NSH, phones, accomodation, free day trips, meal and benefits,
What incomers do when they move to Scotland is no different from new incomers down south do , put up boundary fences, segregate themselves, put up Signs that say Private, or No Trespassing.
Move into a Country and think you own it, just like the people who approach England without invitation,
Scots, Irish and Welsh feel the same, but you think they have no right to think like you do when you see England being invaded,
Intergration? Not when you take over politic and laws, alter or rig Scotlands votes and politics to be like England that you are now fleeing from,
Scotland is not a holiday destination forever,
It is where people have lived for millenia, it was their home until they were forced off of their land by armies, by the constant onslaught of slow and steady invasion.
Now its happening to England, how does it feels, can you now go back home today and recognise it?
When you vote, ( you vote to join in a nation), to live as a Scot, not to vote as a person that did not wish you were here,
Not in fakary or falsehood
European empire builders have r@ped and plundered the planet for centuries,
turned the Earth red with the blood of `foreigners`,
yet we talk about European values,
the same white Germanic elite, and their families, are still there ruling in EU.
Absolutely Scott Finlayson. Germany. like in the 1930s is in absolute full swing rearming to the absolute hilt.
The white Germanic sentiment that drove the Nazis has not gone away. Far from it and it will all end in tears,
So what values would you prefer Scot? You’d prefer to live under the benevolent rule of Uncle Vlad or Chairman Xi perhaps? Or the mullahs in Tehran?
Such is you’re (presumably?) white man’s guilt over stuff your ancestors did that you’ll doubtless support huge transfers of wealth to the third world to atone for the sins of our great great grandfathers?
The EU for all its faults still represents the kind of society that most sane people aspire to, that all the immigrants want to move to. You don’t see masses of people pitching up on the beaches of Uncle Vlad or Chairman Xi countries do you?
There’s a troubling tendency amongst the cappuccino commies in here which is akin to the “Queers for Palestine” brigade who go rather quiet when its pointed out that the folk they’re advocating for would happily throw them from multi story buildings or behead them.
link to bbc.co.uk
For God’s sake how false can people on here be?
All this Peace and Goodwill to all men.
Why can people not tell the truth – peace and goodwill to all apart from the lying scumbag English Colonisers who have stolen Scotland and everything in it?
Christmas and New Year messages are well renown for people lying through their fucking teeth.
I’ve opened all my pressies.
I’ve had my Christmas meal.
I’ve watched some Christmas telly,
But now I really feel.
That too much Christmas kindness.
That too much Christmas faith
And too much Christmas smiling.
Hurts my Christmas face.
That too much Christmas charity.
That too much Christmas hope.
And too much Christmas peacefulness.
Gies me Christmas boak.
I’ve had enough of Christmas.
A cannae take nae mair.
I’m out of Christmas goodwill.
I’m out of Christmas cheer.
I’d rather censure colonists.
And the Inglis roaming here.
I’m done with bloody Christmas.
For another bloody year.
A trio of very interesting articles, well worth reading – if a tad depressing!:
link to ronpaulinstitute.org
link to brusselssignal.eu
link to off-guardian.org
The third article was excellent and a lot I agree on, particularly Covid being used as a sort of ‘Jubilee’ of debt write off for the rich and powerful.
Just one thought though on this which is only an opinion of mine and nothing to back it up.
There was a mention of Frank Kitson’s Pseudo gangs as a method of the British state to control colonial countries throughout the years. I wonder if the same methods are being used here right now in the UK?
If you look at the current situation of immigration where tens of thousands of people come to this country seeking asylum and are giving hotel rooms, houses, benefits and other freebies where nearly every part of the UK has declared housing emergencies and public services unable to meet demand.
You also see culture wars between the middle classes that has become polarised where on side you see ‘Refugees from oppressed and war torn countries welcome here’ and the other ‘illegal immigrants the cause of all crime and ill of society’
It makes no sense whatsoever unless it is a method to cause division and strife between differing groups competing for scarce resources in the form of state help as well as fracturing political consensus.
As the saying goes Cui bono? The likes of King Charlie with his talk of great diversity of our communities and getting to know our neighbours. There is no doubt he loves that living in his all white Ghetto, same as the other mega rich.
Stuff going on in Scotland.
link to isp.scot
And all this going on while Westminster parliament Hansard records in the Select Committee make Statements like the following in their debates,
” Wether there was union between Scotland and England in 1707 is not what is being debated here,”
Westminster parliament in England is fully aware that their actions in Scotland over Centuries wobble on a axis and pivotal points that there is not a union between Scotland and England,
And a very interesting result is that they will plough on regardless of wether there is a union or not.
The people in Scotland need to pay more attention to research and records of what has passed behind closed doors in Westminster and its branch building offices,
The phrase boasted, by the UK parliament being one of the oldest parliaments when speaking about Westminster and about the Union theory…..”We did not ask the Scots to join, because in all probability they would have Voted NO”…….was just the beginning.
Or that the Monarch was a ( shared Monarch ), when they were officially made the monarch of England by the laws passed in parliament of England. Prior to 1706/1707.
The treaty of union theory of One United Kingdom is when England ratified her to be Monarch of Great Britain, (covering Scotland) which was giving royal assent by the Monarch of England.
James says the UK Parliament says ”We did not ask the Scots to join, because in all probability they would have Voted NO”.
Of course it didn’t. Prior to the Act of Union, how could the UK Parliament have asked anyone anything? It did not exist.
The pre-1707 independent Parliament of Scotland certainly did not ask its own Scottish people if they wanted to join. Nor did the Convention of the Estates, the non-elected body that passed the Claim of Right. So much for the sovereignty of the people in practice.
Nobody had ever asked the Scottish people what they wanted about anything. Ordinary people could not vote on anything. Ever. The same is true of the English people, of course. They were not asked either.
Due to the many records wrote down to make a Union puzzle theory fit the narrative that they wished to spin, there are many mistakes and errors recorded that stand out as being surreal to the truth.
And at a time when Scottish people did not have access to those blunders in history for Centuries.
ChatGpt: “Dicey’s claim of unlimited parliamentary sovereignty rests on long-standing judicial obedience to Acts of Parliament, not on any explicit constitutional grant — making it legally operative but historically and theoretically fragile”.
How parliamentary sovereignty nevertheless applied in Scotland
It happened indirectly, through three mechanisms:
(a) A single UK Parliament legislating for Scotland
After 1707:
Acts of Parliament applied to Scotland
Scottish courts were required to apply them
Refusal would have caused constitutional crisis
This created practical obedience, not theoretical consent.
Appeals to London courts
Used English constitutional reasoning
Treated parliamentary sovereignty as axiomatic
This gradually imposed English constitutional assumptions across the UK.
Absence of constitutional adjudication
There was:
No constitutional court
No doctrine allowing courts to strike down Acts
No mechanism to test Union limits judicially
So the question was never conclusively litigated.
Scottish courts have:
Applied Acts of Parliament
Not declared Parliament unlimited in principle
And in MacCormick v Lord Advocate (1953), the Court of Session said:
“The principle of unlimited sovereignty of Parliament is a distinctively English principle and has no counterpart in Scottish constitutional law.”
The court did not strike down legislation — but it refused to endorse Dicey’s theory.
What this means legally
We now have this situation:
Operational reality:
UK Acts apply in Scotland
Theoretical foundation:
Diceyan sovereignty is English in origin
Scottish position:
Never expressly abandoned the idea of constitutional limits
So sovereignty in Scotland is enforced, not derived.
Why courts avoid resolving this
If a court ruled that:
Parliament is legally limited by Union terms
Then:
Huge areas of law could be challenged
The constitutional settlement could unravel
So courts choose constitutional quietism:
Apply the law
Avoid the theory
This is why the UK constitution works in practice but remains theoretically unresolved, especially from a Scottish constitutional perspective.”
….and consequently, (as we see in Peggie v NHS Fife and in so many other instances) all institutions in a colonial society are by implication and necessity colonial in nature and in terms of their ‘values’; and high among these values “is the crushing of the colonized” (Memmi).
Scotland is a Colony by deceit, not Due to it actually being a Colony, but because the propaganda knew Scottish people could be fooled, by having no ability to gain access to what the English parliament and Monarch of England were doing behind closed doors.
This mantra and onslaught of propaganda spiel is still able to exist today because Scotland thinks the old building block lies are the truth.
So they never look or research. The lie is so old, so buried in Centuries and layers of two tier lies, sometimes 20 or 30 layers of lies and deceit.
Nice neat Dicey theory,
Except the Monarch of England was the Monarch of England passed by the laws of parliament of England prior to the union,
Not the monarch of the Scots
Dicey’s theories were very English law orientated and put forth after the union theory, to cement the initial deceit and give it a anchor.
But the monarch was not a shared monarch.
It used to be a personal union, not officially one kingdom, but personal union that ended when England got rid of king James and invited the Hanoverian dynasty to become rulers of England.
and Scotland claimed he was still king of Scotland.
That is when the old plan for the treaty of union was re- invented and came back into play,
But it was the theorhetical treaty of union in 1705/ 1707 itself that created a shared monarch between Scotland and England,
It was not a reality prior to that, and this can be witnessed when England beheaded king Charles in England as well and never consulted Scotland, causing uprising and protests in Scotland,
And when Cromwell ran England as a protectorate.
Whereas Scotland made him king of Scots before England, England reverted back to the Scottish monarchy after Cromwell and his son.
Dicey made the spin for England but he was not unalike Shakespeare in fabricating story lines,
Colin Alexander.
The UK constitution is that of the parliament of England and Ireland, not Scotland.
1: because there is doubt even in Westminster that a union was completed in the first instance.
2: because the 1707 treaty if it once existed, was dissolved in 1800 by the Great Britain parliament,
3: it was succeeded by the parliament of England.
4: it made a Treaty as the parliament of England with the parliament of Ireland.
5: the monarch of England gave the new parliament of Anglo- Ireland royal assent.
6: the parliament of Anglo- Ireland did not a treaty with Scotland.
7: the united kingdoms parliament is the kingdom of England and Ireland parliaments constitution that you speak of.
7: it does not include Scotland in a treaty as that was placed under dissolution in 1800.
8: England and Ireland parliament Constitution as a new constructed legal entity cannot reinstate the British parliament,
Colin Alexander,
If you go into the Irish parliaments old records you will find the Anglo- Irish treaty 1800.
That the Anglo/ Irish parliament then also named itself as the parliament of Great Britain for ego purposes, and the seemingly to falsify continuity of the Treaty with Scotland that had been dissolved in 1800.
The two Great- Britain parliaments were two different legal entities at two entirely separate dates,
Both with the parliament of England.
For the parliament of England to exist as a legal separate entity parliament of England from the 1707 Great Britain parliament in 1800,
the dissolution of that parliament between Scotland and England.
The new parliament of England and Ireland legal entitity remains the UK parliament as it lost Scotland in 1800.
It cannot and could not recreate as a now entirely different legal construct re-open the old parliament of Great- Britain between Scotland and England.
The parliament of England going Solo in 1800 left the 1707 treaty of union with Scotland voluntary.
The irony that both the sets of politician in Scotland and England disclaim king James as nothing but a pretend Monarch that never took the Scottish oath, and not a monarch of either England or Scots has not gone amiss at all here.
For the claim goes forth that the last related stuart monarch of England and Scotland Queen Anne laid claim to the Scottish crown through king james,
A monarch that never was real and had no such claim to either crown,
Descendant of king Charles Stuart whom was beheaded in England.
A dodgy leanage and thin thread for Anne Stuart. To come from a line of kings that were not accepted as kings.
But if the yarn can be spun…
A MATTER OF OPTICS,
a Spectator message from the former Polish ambassador «to London»,
link to archive.ph
Should have gone to spec savers while in residence.
What’s Polish for rose tinted myopia?
The thing is Turabdin, it’s not that he’s wrong exactly it’s just that the progress his own country country has made in the past few decades (which he explicitly references in his article) holds a mirror up to the fact that the UK could and should now be better than it is.
That’s not the fault of the current government, or indeed any one government in the post WW2 era, it’s a function of the UK’s inability to modernise itself and produce social, economic and security outcomes that would have made our current society more successful, richer, more equal, better educated, environmentally cleaner and more economically productive.
Whatever the failings of both the UK and Scottish governments (and there are of course many) Wilczek has a point in as much as the inhabitants of many other countries would happily be in our shoes.
We can all dream of things here being better than they are of course, but we shouldn’t perhaps write off our chances of making progress irrespective of the current political impasses in both UK and Scottish society.
“Britain doesn’t need to become great again – it already is”
What utter nonsense from Piotr Wilczek… whoever he is.
Some folk will scribble doun any auld shite for a quick buck.
I’m pretty sure that even Wilczek, the author of this Spectator piece, doesn’t believe what its title proclaims.
The only thing that EVER made Great Britain great was Scotland.
And Scotland, after three centuries of keeping England afloat, is still the only ‘thing’ preventing England from sinking to the bottom of the wealthy nations list – and most likely not making it on to the wealthy nations list at all.
Without its international money laundering business operating out of London being backed up by Scotland’s REAL wealth England would be… not in the G7.
England… a mediocre nation living off the back of Scotland’s great genius and claiming the genius of the Scots as its own.
The only ‘great’ thing about England-as-Britain is what a Great Fraud it is.
I’m surprised that, as a nation, England doesn’t suffer from imposter syndrome.
Keep ripping into this shite Northcode.
2 min vid on Bloomberg of Jim Rogers stating how Scotland’s oil props up England.
link to youtube.com
Franchise Fanny banging on about what the majority of Scots think… whilst conveniently completely overlooking that what the majority of Scots think is highly influenced by the UK MSM and what is allowed to published on the internet.
….whilst conveniently completely overlooking that what the majority of Scots think is highly influenced by the UK MSM and what is allowed to published on the internet.
These simpletons really do believe that Scots are so easily led that they only do what the vile colonisers MSM tell them. Odd then isn’t it that the % of Scots who supported independence rose from the low 20’s % to 45% between 2012-14, despite no MSM support.
Why, it’s almost as if Scots had minds of their own and thought the whole “Scotland as colony” schtick was a dogpile, huh alert readers? 🙂
The parliament of Great Britain lasted between the years from / for Scotland and England 1707 – 1800.
That is If the original treaty had been completed in 1707.
Thereafter it was the new legal entity of united parliament of England and Ireland of Great Britain the second.
No Scotland, that bit was a porky.
TURABDIN,
Indeed a matter optics,
He speaks of England as it it were all of Britain, but that Britain has always belonged to the wealthy
It does not include the rest of England nor does it include Scotland, Ireland or Wales, it is a very centric view of the wealthy.
He listens to the ones not doing so well, but does not hear them,
does not recognise them, which is the other three quarters of Britain that are left to cope and pay, ”
Its a rich mans world” some alleged pedo once sung.
If you were educated you would know there is no Scottish government or parliament in Scotland, because there would be no union, as I have been touting.
It is simply a false front
Again if properly educated you would also be well aware of the Anglo- Irish parliament of Great- Britain,
Wether there is a union or not as the select committee in Hansard state, ” It is not what is being debated here today” those that have the reigns of government are responsible and no one else,
Other wise we would all be doing anything we please wouldn’t we,
Whom are you blaming,? For such clusterf@ck ups. The people.?
James, rather than clog up BTL discourse here with your cack-tsunami of ill thought out ramblings, wouldn’t you better advised to spend the (obviously) huge amount of spare time you have doing some *actual* research and directing us to the scholarly articles supporting your hot take on constitutional history?
I mean, I have a degree in Politics and a PhD in International Relations but I’d hesitate to pronounce on subjects that weren’t my specialist area in the way you appear happy to do as a presumably rank amateur.
Even rank amateurs or Constitutional History 101 level students shouldn’t find it that difficult however to find academic works and references which support their view that the union is a fiction. If it’s so self evident there must be plenty of experts in constitutional law, Scottish and English history and Scots and English law who support your views.
Otherwise folk might just think you’re, you know…a monomaniacal fantasist with delusions of adequacy.
Dear James,
I’m very late in on this stream. As I understand it, you see your constitutional arguments as a way of sidestepping the need for having another referendum, on the grounds that the Union of 1707 was not done properly, so it has never existed, and Scotland is still independent. I’ve replied to one of your points before.
At the moment (again, if I read you correctly), you are saying that the Acts of Union 1800 were between the “English” government and Ireland, so Scotland was not included. And therefore the 1707 Union of England and Scotland was cancelled by the Act, because of its wording.
But, looking at the text of the 1800 Act, it is always “Great Britain” – “Whereas in pursuance of his Majesty’s most gracious recommendation to the two houses of parliament in Great Britain and Ireland respectively, to consider of such measures as might best tend to strengthen and consolidate the connexion between the two kingdoms …”
“That it be first article of the union of the kingdoms of Great Britain and Ireland, that the said kingdoms of Great Britain and Ireland shall, upon the first day of January, which shall be in the year of our lord one thousand eight hundred and one, and for ever, be united into one kingdom, by the name of “the united kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland …”
“That it be the second article of union, that the succession to the imperial crown of the said united kingdom, and of the dominions thereunto belonging, shall continue limited and settled in the same manner as the succession to the imperial crown of the said kingdoms of Great Britain and Ireland now stands limited and settled, according to the existing laws, and to the terms of union between England and Scotland.””
Historians seem to call British treaties “Anglo-“, as with the Anglo-Irish treaty of 1921 that led to Irish independence. You’d have thought they’d know better. But, as far as I know, the texts are always with the British government, or the British Empire. Never the English Empire. (You might argue that they are the same thing, but that is a different argument from the present constitutional one.)
How many people on here felt colonised as they ate their Christmas dinner and went for a walk on Boxing Day?
How many people on here experience day to day colonisation as they go to the pub or do their shopping?
Me!
I got chased down Leith Street last night by a troop o’
Redcoats !
Glad you enjoyed the Christmas “tradition” AgentX; the tradition that was actually unlawful in Scotland for multiple centuries before it was “reintroduced” after the Union. Now we can all “enjoy” the commercial hard-sell of Christmas festivities, buying shite for ungrateful brats, where even the core character, Santa Clause, is only dressed in the iconic red thanks to Coca-Cola marketing.
All hail the ubiquitous power of invasive commercial advertising, which now sits as omnipotent gatekeeper on historic narrative, cultural tradition and content. Even “the Church” takes notes…
You don’t feel colonised AgentX? Do share your plans to go First-Footing on Hogmanay, with your wee lump of coal in the land where lums are banned, shortbread is kitscher than tartan, and a wee dram is taxed to the hilt, no doubt with a braw, home made steak pie with Irish beef is on the menu for New Year’s day.
Or will you be staying in, not up the Tron, to celebrate “The Bells” served up by the BBC’s nauseating interpretation of a Scottish Hogmanay? Colonised? Patronised? Whae, us?
Up the Tron tae see auld pals? Gotta pay, and pass muster at Check-point-Charlie these days, so Edinburgh can go and royally f…. itself,… I mean, Aye, it’s really for the young folks, isn’t it? (Nae fightin’ talk on Hogmanay, so best avoid all greedy c*! ts completely).
Special nod to the Squaddies / Tommies dying, dead, or about to die, on the latest far away battle front, wherever that may be, with their extra spiritual devotion to Christmas values. Probably because it might be their last.
Oh yeah, and don’t forget the religious bit too. God’s birthday or something… Definitely not Pagan though. Absolutely not Muslim either. None of that tribal carry on, with fires and plants and stuff…
Reform Scotland membership now at twenty one thousand and rising.
How’s the colonized discussion going?
“Reform Scotland membership now at twenty one thousand and rising.”
Surprising its not a lot more considering at least 50,000 folks move north across the open border each year, most bringing their national identity with them.
“How’s the colonized discussion going?”
It now seems to have reached most of the independence movement, and the UN too. However, as we know, and especially for the more assimilated colonized, denial of oppression forms an essential part of the ‘colonial condition’:
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
Tell us Alf, how do you know how many of the 50,000 incomers support Reform? How many of them are returning “native Scots” I wonder?
Also, how have you ascertained that the discussion about colonization has reached “most of the independence movement”? What’s the evidence of that, or the measurement of them being reached?
Has there been a major uptick in the petitions we’ve seen being pushed on here? Last we heard they had a lot fewer signatories than the claimed Reform membership….but from memory those pushing them were very reluctant to tell us how many had signed.
Perhaps the endless self referential links to your snake oil analysis has resulted in an increase in your book royalties on Amazon…? With luck they’ll be in double figures soon.
Always so many questions on this and that, all of which avoid the most important matter; that is, for the oppressed group to first understand their colonial condition in order to find the only remedy – liberation – or what some call ‘independence’.
As Frantz Fanon wrote:
“While the native thought that he could pass without transition from the status of a colonized person to that of a self-governing citizen of an independent nation, he made no real progress along the road to knowledge. His consciousness remained rudimentary.”
link to cpb-us-w2.wpmucdn.com
As a youth Alfie came across the fat slug of a word “colonised” and hungarily sank his woke teeth into it. Instantly becoming addicted to it’s seductive juices. Thereafter he was unable to construct a political argument without the use of the big bogey man.
Just another woke on the make.
@ Alf Baird 9.41 pm
Always so many questions on this and that, all of which avoid the most important matter; that is, for the oppressed group to first understand their colonial condition in order to find the only remedy – liberation – or what some call ‘independence’.
Always so few – or indeed invaraibly zero – answers though Alf. Why is that I wonder?
Is it because you simply have no clue what the answers are, or because you know the answers don’t suit your myopic and monomaniacal post colonial fetish?
You’re the very epitome of someone with an intellectual hammer that sees every issue as a nail.
If Rev Stu added the word “colony” and it’s variants to his banned list, we’d scarcely hear from you again, and this place would be all the better for it.
“If Rev Stu added the word “colony” and it’s variants to his banned list, we’d scarcely hear from you again…”
And if WoS were to add the word “cunt” to their banned list would we ever hear from you again, I wonder.
“If Rev Stu added the word “colony” and it’s variants to his banned list”
The colonizer only bans what he fears most, as you well demonstrate with such comments here.
Ultimately it is when the native rejects assimilation, falls back onto their own culture and language and “decides to remember what he is… that the whole system totters” (Fanon).
Which explains why all peoples in self-determination conflict are linguistically (and hence ethnically) divided.
Oor Scots language is wha we are, aye Scots, an the verra grund o the independence/leeberation muivement.
“Oor Scots language is wha we are, aye Scots, an the verra grund o the independence/leeberation muivement”
Aye, Alf, yer richt enough… and a braw language it is tae.
@ Northcode 10.51 am
Your contribution is little more than we’d expect from the intellectually low voltage usual suspects in here. There used to be another Tourette’s addled regular who rejoiced in using the same word: you seem cut from the same cloth and have the same low quality output.
Perhaps you’re just a re-tread trying to dodge the Rev’s ban?
A point to note is that “Your contribution” to the subject matter of the article itself is non-existent, your purpose being simply to criticise and debase others.
Meantime Northcode, myself and others make the direct connection between the ‘tribunal’ outcome and the ever present linguistic and cultural (and hence ethnic) divide in a colonial society dominated by an alien Anglophone Cultural Hegemony.
@ Alf 11.33am
I happen to agree with the OP, however my contributions being directed towards addressing the wall to wall spamming by the usual suspects to steer every conversation to their hobby horse issue – in your case the half baked “Scotland as colony” narrative – is perfectly legitimate.
Doubtless if Rev Stu found it irritating enough he’d take the kind of action he saw fit. His approach is famously “light touch” in these matters as long term readers and contributors will be well aware.
I doubt anyone subjected to your never ending obsession with Fannon, Memmi et al and your constant self referential posting of links to your own output to try and heighten its very limited appeal by hijacking a more popular websites traffic, will take your attempts to tone police BTL commentary remotely seriously.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen you post a single thing that wasn’t related to your post colonail theory monomania.
“Your contribution is little more than we’d expect from the intellectually low voltage usual suspects in here…”
“The intellectually low voltage” – where did you steal that phrase from? I doubt you came up with it yourself despite it’s ineffective literary limitations.
Your rhetoric is pish and cannot stand against the power of my pish.
Yes, I am a poor uneducated potty-mouthed (chortle) Scottish person far below the lowest Inglis and unworthy of being treated fairly and with any humanity by my English maister…
BUT WHOSE FAULT IS THAT, ANDY INGLIS?
WHOSE FAULT IS THAT, EH?
No mine… a’m a victim o Ingland’s imperial ambitions and its feverish colonizing activities in Scotland.
A’m a victim o Ingland’s plundering of Scotland.
A’m a victim whits been colonized by wankers.
Anyways, enough o aw that (fake) hand-wringin’… this instead:
“potty-mouth” and “naughty list”…the colonialists on here talk as if they’re speaking to infants (que the inevitable weak retort).
But, worse… much, much worse are their constant references to this site’s creator.
They’re all “Rev Stu” this and “Rev Stu” that and “Rev Stu” the other… and on and on it goes.
“Please, Rev Stu, may I write doun some anti-Scots racist shite and post it on your website?”
“Please, Rev Stu, one of those nasty independistas on here called me a bad name.”
“Please, Rev Stu, may I go to the toilet?”
And a colonialist favourite:
“Please, Rev Stu, can you ban those ‘far too Scottish’ Scots from posting in the Scots language and talking about Scotland’s colonization? Thae gie us colonialists the fear sae thae dae.”
Aye, and unionist sycophancy gies me the dry boak sae it does.
Correction: “que the inevitable…” should, of course, read as “cue the inevitable…”
@ Northcode
Correction: “que the inevitable…” should, of course, read as “cue the inevitable…”
I guess that’s what happens when you have to run your Kings English through Google translate so you affect being a canny Lallands speaking indigene, huh?
Of course your keyboard being all sticky can’t help either.
The ““Scotland as colony” narrative – is perfectly legitimate”, especially so for those having studied postcolonial theory in depth, then applying that theory to Scotland, and from which quickly comes the realisation that independence means decolonization.
What did you think independence meant?
“Of course your keyboard being all sticky can’t help either.”
Intellectual my perfectly smooth and rounded porcelain buttocks, Andy Inglis.
You keep banging on about intellect and yet you display few, if any, of the qualities typically associated with intellectuals.
I knew you wouldn’t be able to resist having a go at my deliberate ‘que’ error… and you didn’t disappoint.
Your sentence I quote above expresses more of the thug than of the intellectual.
Also, I would have said – although I would never deploy such a weak metaphor – “The intellectually low lumens” (wattage at a push) rather than “intellectually low voltage” if I were using metaphor to compare intellect to the brightness of light… plus it has the added bonus of alliteration.
““The intellectually low lumens” (wattage at a push) … metaphor to compare intellect to the brightness of light”
Yes Northcode, Andy and his ilk have yet to see the light, for the assimilated instinctively turns away from and denies the light, despite it being exposed for them here and there:
//peterabell.wordpress.com/2023/08/27/the-new-thinking/
I see Reform gained 28.9% of 1st preference votes in the Buckhaven, Methil and Wemyss by election back in November. It’s an area I’m familiar with, and I can say with some certainty its not on the backs of the influx of English colonisers. Labour got 21% of first preference votes and the Tories a paltry 1.7%.
Seems the screeching about being a puir wee colony hasn’t made much headway with the ordinary voters of Fife, eh lads?
I’m also very familiar with the area. And you’re talking crap.
@ Anthem 1.03am
Do tell us which part is crap. The result is a matter of public record: yoon parties received almost 53% of the first preference vote and the most regressive, right wing party of them all gained the largest share of the non-independence vote.
Nobody familiar with the area could point to the influx of English colonisers as the prime determinant of how the good folk of that fairly depressed part of Fife are voting, so what exactly – if anything – is the point you’re trying to make other than just being a contrarian?
With barely a 27% turnout it’s hardly a sign of reform being a major player. Labour still managed 21% even after having their original councillor jailed!
As for the influx of foreigners, including English, we see the same happening, though to a much greater extent, in Kirkcaldy and Glenrothes.
@ Anthem 10.27 am
OK, so now you’re deflecting because you can’t defend your initial response to the tired old trope that it’s only a local election so it means nothing, and the rather odd “defence” that Kirkcaldy and Glenrothes are now awash with English settlers. That’ll be news to the locals no doubt. You *might* sort of have a point about the East Neuk, the leafier suburbs of Edinburgh or the New Town, but you’re all over the place otherwise.
Reform are putting in strong performances across Scotland, even if you’re arguing that it’s partly a desire to give the current administrations (probably both in Westminster AND Holyrood) a bloody nose, it’s myopic to write the scale of their vote off as “nothing to see here, it’s just a council election”.
There are other available protest parties like Alba, ISP or Liberate Scotland but they’ve totally failed to make similar gains or put any significant dent in SNP support.
There is definitely crap being talked in this exchange bud, but it’s not on my side.
“We can evaluate socialism by it’s bitter fruits”
Job 14:5
Since his days are determined, and the number of his months is with you, and you have appointed his limits that he cannot pass
Psalm 90:12
So teach us to number our days that we may get a heart of wisdom
Q. What do you call a socialist without a home?
A. The Green party.
You see what happens,
When I do not post, the Scottish unionist theory believers flood the site in droves on a site that supports Scottish independence,
At least mine comes with information research over years from the records of the English- Irish parliament wrote by the pen of England,
Fancy getting annoyed and requesting that the English records version side of history is not to be repeated in Scotland or to that nation,
Especially if you are trying to Convince people in Scotland the Union is not a theory and it is binding on Scotland,
But not on England.
You theorist also have the opportunity to disprove these Records from Englands- Irelands parliament.of the new Great.
In fact I will be generous to union with Scotland theorist today, and refrain from commenting for this morning … to provide a gap so you can dispute these English records from Englands parliament.
And flood the comments with your researched knowledge.
Talking of Independence. How’s that going these days?
Not so good. In fact it’s now reduced to barricading itself behind the skirts of the woo woo brigade. Blaming anyone and anything for its failure.
The political landscape of this great nation has changed beyond recognition. The records are very clear about the size of the disaster now facing socialism.
The Scottish voter is in quite a conundrum. Who to vote for. Indeed the post colonial agitators have no choice in this coming election. If the comments above have anything to go by.
Now remember you theorists of a union with Scotland your looking for definative evidence to consolidate that your theory is still binding on Scotland and England today,
Not attacking the person because you cannot disprove the English records.
Ready steady….go.
We are not Unionists we are Fascists. Do try and keep up with the world around you.
The colonization of Mars has been cancelled. It appears the indiginus natives have ‘gone fishing’.
While the men returning from the attempted colonization of Venus only want to talk about colour coordination and soft furnishings.
With barely a 27% turnout it’s hardly a sign of reform being a major player. Labour still managed 21% even after having their original councillor jailed!
As for the influx of foreigners, including English, we see the same happening, though to a much greater extent, in Kirkcaldy and Glenrothes.
Guid mornyng aw… a howp youse aw hae a guid day the day.
@James Cheyne;
1- The 1707 Treaty did not expire with the Irish treaty in 1800! Technically, the English/Irish agreement wasn’t an international treaty, it was an internal rearrangement between two territories of the English Crown, and had nothing to do with Scotland or the Union. Today, Northern Ireland is the only Irish territory that still belongs to the English Crown. And just to make a point, Scotland’s territory does not belong to the English Crown either; it belongs to the Scottish Crown, ie, Scotland’s Community of the Realm of Scotland, and that Community still owns it and Scotland’s sovereignty today.
2- The English Parliament’s sovereignty only lasted 18 years, from 1689, when it stripped that sovereignty from its English monarchy and held it for itself, until 1707 when the English and Scottish parliaments both formally ceased to exist under the Treaty of that year.
The English parliament died intestate, no provision ever having been made or enacted by it, including in the Treaty of Union, to transfer or bequeath its English parliamentary sovereignty to its brand new British successor. No record exists of any such transfer, thus England’s ‘parliamentary sovereignty’ died with its parliament on May 1st, 1707.
But even if England’s sovereignty was transferred to the British parliament, being exclusively English in nature, it could have no formal power over Scotland without a specific statement to that effect in the Treaty. There isn’t one. So at best it could cover only the territories of the former English Kingdom, and that emphatically did not include Scotland!
Scotland’s parliament however never owned Scotland’s sovereignty, it being held by Scotland’s people, and thus they still own it today, since no-one in 1707 had sufficient legitimate authority to surrender it to the new British parliament or to its English MPs. Instead, governance power over Scotland was explicitly delegated to those of Scotland’s MPs sent down to London as a physical delegation to represent Scotland under Article XXII of the Treaty, and they alone are formally entitled to exert power on Scotland’s behalf while in that British parliament.
They are the sole source of the British parliament’s governing powers over Scotland, and they are not in the least obliged by anything in the Treaty to defer to English MP majorities on any basis. Thus, every time England’s MPs overrule Scotland’s MPs that is a direct breach of Scotland’s sovereignty, and of the Treaty.
How much longer are we going to accept that ludicrous and abusive overreach by the ignorant, arrogant English half of the Union?
@Colin Alexander;
The British/English establishment has quite obviously been perpetrating an outrageous constitutional and democratic fraud over the UK, and especially over the entire Scottish sovereign half of the Union, for centuries.
Your, (or your AI’s), conclusion that the courts have baulked at challenging the authenticity of the Union to avoid unravelling the Union is yet another black mark against the courts, and against the Union’s leaders and politicians. The cowards will deserve every form of derision coming to them when that challenge is finally made and won!
@ ANDY ELLIS,
ENGLAND OR UK is going to the dogs, finished according to taxi drivers and Hampstead dinner party thinkers and The Guardian!
Currently reading an Oxford history, by various contributors, of Scotland’s part in the creation of the British empire. Interesting in that in the early years when «Scotchmen», lads o pairts, found work in the grand project as administrators, linguists, as Scots were considered gifted in that field, etc., also interesting in the later stages when the preference for alumni from Oxbridge progressively kicked in, culminating in the Furse reforms, «the public schools, they are vital: we could not have run the show without them», of the colonial office, effectively by stealth ruling out most Scotland educated Scots who had to find less political employment in tea planting, education, construction etc. supportive not instrumental functions.
And as English common law was the model for the nascent colonial Indian legal system Scots were further marginalized, by default of not being of the insider «caste».
The English establishment, Furse excepted, makes much of the amateur, indeed the Polish ex ambassador refers to it, in government and elsewhere, Scots, generally do not. Being «professional» knowing thoroughly about a topic and demonstrating it is not the English way. Linda Colley opines that it was the Scots «professional» approach to administration that lost the English colonies in North America, the Scots didn’t get the local mindset in her view. The Scots were more ruthlessly imperialist than the English, possibly.
If the British state is going down the pan it may well be that is a result of it becoming more «English» in character. The Anglo Brits love the underdog, providing they are never in that sad position themselves when they are given to whinge even more than the Scots.
Whinging poms indeed but maybe with some reason.
I’ve thought for a long time that the chief reason the British nationalist project is “going down the pan” was it’s post WW2 failure to take the necessary steps to modernise the creaking, crypto-medieval mummery surrounding so much of its social and institutional make up.
The Labour party wasn’t radical enough to try to re-shape the UK in to a more egalitarian society, or impose the kind of things it helped enshrine in e.g. the West German system that many brits had a hand in designing.
Too many little Englanders were (and arguably remain) quite attached to the bromides of the class system. The fusty John Majoresque “small c” conservative vision of elderly matrons cycling home after evensong, warm beer, cricket on the village green, imperial measurements, grammar schools and kow towing to the gentry and monarchy still pervades much of the English psyche.
They actually pine for the Churchillian conceit that Engerlund has some special destiny as the centre of 3 circles: the Empire, US special relationship and Europe, when they’re actually on course to be isolated and sidelined.
If nothing else, Scottish independence would be the best thing that happened to England because it might finally disabuse them of the belief that they’re anything special.
In actuality, Andy, I believe British nationalism is enjoying quite the renaissance of late, most notably in the form of Reform’s meteoric rise (including in Scotland). In my view, your average Brit has seen quite enough of the Woke Left’s future vision of what the UK (and much of Europe) would look like – and its attendant values, including much of the stuff Stu now writes about – and they’ve convulsed in horror and (finally) been galvanised into some semblance of action at last.
All change! 🙂
Some of the many things said about the English is that they treat nothing seriously and the men are sublimated homosexuals.
As a child standing in a lift with my parents in a Cairo hotel lift a Gulf Arab, judging by the accent, «expatiated» on that stereotype with some vehemence. My parents couldn’t keep a straight face. Such passion betrayed a deep hurt to the amour propre maybe.
The English are indeed a curiosity, T.E.Lawrence etc.
The Scots really ought to know them inside out by now.
Pay attention you fellows!
You may be right. Reform’s rise seems mostly to be cannibalising disillusioned Tory voters and the hard core brexiteers though: the kind of know-nothings who thought voting Boris was fine ‘cos he’d be a bit of a laugh, or that Liz Truss was suitable PM material.
Sadly there doesn’t seem to be a “sane” social democratic force left in Scottish or UK politics. Perhaps the advance of Reform will galvanise some movement: if that happens without it actually propelling us in to some dystopian sub-Trumpian future with Farage and his cadres in charge, perhaps we can raise 2 cheers.
“Some of the many things said about the English is that they treat nothing seriously and the men are sublimated homosexuals.”
😀
This made me laugh. Thanks TURABDIN!
Book review I did a few years ago which may be of interest to some –
‘CANADIAN GAELDOM: FADED FOOTPRINT REDEFINED’ by Fearghas MacFhionnlaigh, being a review of:
‘SEANCHAIDH NA COILLE / MEMORY-KEEPER OF THE FOREST: ANTHOLOGY OF SCOTTISH GAELIC LITERATURE OF CANADA’ (Edited by MICHAEL NEWTON, Cape Breton University Press, Sydney, Nova Scotia, 2015).
link to gobha-uisge.blogspot.com
A quote from Michael Newton’s book:
« In perhaps no other domains of the immigrant experience are the ironies and contradictions of Gaelic history more manifest than those of military triumphalism and tartanism. The Highland soldier became an icon of British imperial supremacy and earned the accolades of the anglophone world so long as his energies and ambitions were directed toward imperial ends. Gaels proved in Canada and elsewhere that they were capable of attaining privilege and power by deferring to anglophone norms, but once they renounced the legitimacy of their own language and culture there was nothing left but a hollow shell of tartanism. Canadian Gaelic literary texts were beginning to embrace tartanistic clichés by the early decades of the 19th century, demonstrating that Highlanders were aware of these stereotypes and willing to conform to them to win approval. They thus could play the role of gallant, manly champions capable of conquering any country and yet were incapable of defending their rights on their own turf. »
To which my own bitterly ironic response:
« Ah! The smirking genius of Empire! The unstaunchable seeping alchemy whereby the Hideous Project is internalised and ferociously furthered by doubly enthralled victims! How supremely delicious the grotesque spectacle of schizoid zealots thrusting the Imperial Banner aloft with one hand while throttling themselves with the other! The mirth of it! The deep, gut-warming, ecstatically tectonic, MIRTH of it all…! »
Just came across this video. Essential viewing. Brings immediately to mind the statistics of catastrophic Scottish losses in WW1 provided by Sir Tom Devine (T.M.Devine) in his book ‘The Scottish Nation 1700-2000’. Devine writes —
“Of the 157 battalions which comprised the British Expeditionary Force, 22 were Scottish regiments […] The human losses were enormous and unprecedented. Of the 557,000 Scots who enlisted in all services, 26.4 percent lost their lives. This compares with an average death rate of 11.8 percent for the rest of the British army between 1914 and 1918. Of all the combatant nations, only the Serbs and the Turks had higher per capita mortality rates, but this was primarily because of disease in the trenches rather than a direct result of losses in battle. The main reason for the higher-than-average casualties among the Scottish soldiers was that they were regarded as excellent, aggressive shock troops who could be depended upon to lead the line in the first hours of battle.”
With the above in mind, please watch this 35 min YouTube posted by ‘British Military History’ on 19 Dec 2025 –
HOW SCOTTISH REGIMENTS FORGED BRITAIN’S EMPIRE
YouTube site intro text –
« When you picture the British Empire, you see the Redcoat. But for over a century, the tip of the imperial spear wasn’t English—it was Scottish. This is the story of how a nation of rebels became the Empire’s most feared shock troops.
« The “Thin Red Line” is more than just a battle legend; it is the defining paradox of Scottish history. In this documentary, we peel back the layers of the “British” Army myth to reveal the distinct, bloody, and heroic contribution of the Highland regiments.
« From the ashes of Culloden and the tragedy of the Highland Clearances to the cliffs of Quebec and the desperate stand at Balaclava, we examine how the British government weaponized the martial culture of the Highlands. We uncover the economic desperation that filled the ranks, the psychological terror of the bagpipes, and the staggering “butcher’s bill” paid by Scottish communities to build an empire that often tried to erase them. »
link to youtube.com
For those who can. I hope you are feeding the wee birds this winter. They also need fresh water at this time of year.
Xaracen,
I take on board you’re excellent analyses of the position of Scotland territory and Sovereignty still belonging to the people, and totally agree with you on your comments to.
Until we start discussing the union with Ireland,
I research Irelands old parliament records as far as I could, because strange though it may seem just like Scotland records have records missing so does Irelands, and Westminster history rewrites what is missing or reinvents the history,
Most of the old Irish records were burnt,
However there are some pieces that remain,
One of those was….the Parliament of England and the parliament of Ireland hereby agree…
You have to be persistant in your endeavours on the Irish side for Westminster later hid it under the veil of Great Britain,
But the privy Council of England is also mentioned in those snippets as participating,
However if you fail to recover it in Englands history you will find it stated quite clearly on WWW. ebsco history, act of union research
The parliament of England and the parliament of Ireland. Created a new GB parliament in 1800.
Not the 1707 parliament of Great Britain, which would have included Scotland, instead of that becoming an added appendex later on.
I will try track down the earlier British version that I posted here on Wings awhile ago,
But the evidence is out there as it being the parliament of England, not the 1707 great britain parliament,
England went solo.
link to journal.thenewpolis.com
“The matter is settled, Scotland is not a Colony because it was part of an Incorporating Union. But what is not settled is whether the rhetoric of Colonialism is relevant to the Scottish experience. The idea of a ‘one-size fits all’ model for a ‘Colony’ is naïve. Not only did the institutional power structures of imperialism evolve from the foundation of the East India Company in 1600 to the ongoingquestion of who will be the next leader of the Commonwealth…so did the language. The dynamic rhetoric of colonialism includes: self-governing colonies, crown colonies, dominions, territories, protectorates, dependencies. That these later terms of imperialism were pre-dated by the terminology and process of “incorporating union”. A similarly geopolitically defensive, antiCatholic, union was implemented in Ireland in 1801. These English takeovers are only excluded from the rhetoric of colonialism by a sleight of semantics. The proximity to England, the anti-Catholic strategic, the geopolitical conflict with other European tribes may have resulted in different imperial arrangements – token representation in a Union, rather than anEmpress. But Fort William in Scotland and Fort William in Kolkata (Calcutta) served exactly the same purpose, to enforce rule from London.”
Or alternatively, to do a way with endless yak, jist go with the simple abbreviated version in the dictionary.
colony
noun: colony; plural noun: colonies
1. a country or area under the full or partial political control of another country and occupied by 5ettlers from that country.
But let’s check 5ettlers while we’re at it. (feel free to banish me from this shithole you’ve allowed to be filled with trolls for evading your ridiculous moderation filter)
5ettler
noun
plural noun: 5ettlers
A person who moves with a group of others to live in a new country or area, especially one inhabited by people of a different ethnic or religious group, or one regarded as sparsely populated.
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
….feel free to banish me from this shithole you’ve allowed to be filled with trolls for evading your ridiculous moderation filter)
Alert readers will be wishing exceptionally hard that this wish is granted, even tho’ Santa has already been. 🙂
Dan; yip, Unionist Troll Central on here now, both attack and concern varieties…They’e f*cking endless.
Tragic.
@ Franchise Fanny
Aye, maybe in your screwed up delusional head ya trolling bawbag.
Guess your highly selective and twisted memory forgets the shite you post used to consistently get red ticked / down-voted tae fuck when this site briefly had that option.
But you jist crack on as per yer usual mo attacking anybody that posts here. If you played the ball a bit more than playing the man you may not have blown your cover, but as the btl engagement drops away you can’t easily hide what you and muckers are up to now.
As stated before, it’s incredible the lengths you and your muckers will go to to find an angle to attack instead of ever agreeing with folk that are actually quite similarly aligned with the various views you purport to support.
For all your supposed intellectual witterings and knowledge on many subjects, I can’t recall you commenting on the content of the weekly ISP bulletins, which lists some of the stuff going on in Scotland.
link to isp.scot
EG. Angus Council reject SSEN’s plans for substation at Tealing, and that’s after previously rejecting the 400kV super pylon scheme.
“The pylon scheme will now go for a decision by the Scottish government and may involve a public enquiry. So not great news, given that the Scottish government always seems to favour the energy companies over local residents.”
Will we see some local democracy being respected, or the usual bunch of grifters and sellouts in Holyrood poundshop devolved administration overruling and dictating what will happen.
Dan,
Your ranting and vile abuse about Andy speaks volumes !
Andy can run rings round the likes of you any day !
Try posting something sensible for a change ?
I particularly liked the conclusion:
The Nationalism of the Scottish National Party is not based on ethnicity but territory, it is not focused on our past, but on how we can live a better, more socially just life, in the world as we find it. But at this crucial time in our Independence struggle, the rhetoric of colonialism contributes to a description of who we are and the powerlessness we feel. I share this case study as a
contribution to highlighting the complexity inherent in the
themes of this conference and I hope that I and other Scots can learn from your experiences. Thank you.
Which would seem to suggest, taking in to account the rest of the analysis in the piece, that the debate about whether Scotland is a colony or not is rightly a matter which to paraphrase the words of our national anthem something which is in the past, and in the past it must remain.
It adds context to our history and how we got to where we are now, but has little if anything substantive to do with matters at hand which neither need nor lend themselves to post colonial analysis, whatever Alf Baird and his ilk so fondly believe.
“to paraphrase the words of our national anthem something which is in the past, and in the past it must remain”
Aye, forget past injustices and deceit you say? The colonized “are no longer part of history”, a history that is “re-written for them by the colonizer” (Memmi).
And Scotland sings a sad lament, an aspiration ‘tae be a nation again’, a national anthem that reflects loss of sovereignty and dignity; whilst all other sovereign nations anthems joyfully and triumphantly celebrate their decolonization and liberation.
No that you or aw thay colonized mynds at Murrayfield wad ken the difference.
“And Scotland sings a sad lament…”
A good comment, Alf… and a point well made.
Of course most of those nations joyfully celebrating their liberation are significantly worse off than Scotland by almost every metric, with many having descended into ethnic conflicts or civil war. Scotland on the other hand continues to be a rich a prosperous country punching well above its weight in so many areas. Which is why the whole “Scotland is a colony” is laughable in terms of any objective assessment of Scotland and also deeply insulting to those people who genuinely have suffered under colonialism or repression.
The question for the vast majority of people is a simple one. Would Scotland be a better place to be if it were an independent country? That question is not answered in any way by reference to the never ending spiel of exotic and highly questionable historical and legal theories that we continually get treated to. Neither are you going to find some magic narrative somewhere (e.g. the ToU was never entered into) to persuade some court somewhere to dissolve the union.
“those nations joyfully celebrating their liberation are significantly worse off than Scotland by almost every metric…”
Yes… the Scots might well be the most well-treated ‘slaves’ in the history of colonialism.
Still a colonized people, though… so, swings and roundabouts, eh?
For someone who claims to be a slave you seem to spend a disproportionate amount of time posting drivel on this (and no doubt hosts of other) sites.
“…someone who claims to be a slave…”
I’m a house slave and have managed to figure out my English master’s computer password… I post my anti-colonialism messages from the computer of a colonising colonist – what irony.
The fool, my English master, hasn’t guessed that I have a copy of the keys used to lock his drinks cabinet and silver spoon cupboard.
I sell his silver on the “Silver Spoon Black Market” – usually while michty drunk on my master’s whisky – and pocket the cash which I invest in the City of London’s money laundering scheme – more irony.
Anyway, I must go… I hear my maister’s footsteps approach.
I’ll be back later, when he’s out of the house visiting his favourite brothel.
I’m glad to hear that you must go, please don’t feel like you need to come back later.
Child: When I grow up I want to be a socialist.
Parent: You can’t do both.
Q.What do you call a person who likes to spend other people’s money?
A. A socialist.
“Even the name ‘British Empire’ is fake, a disguise for a locus of power in London which in which the public imagination is
taught to buy into a ‘domestic’ front ‘here’ and a ‘foreign’ front,‘over there’. The success of the British Empire becomes success for Britain. But in the 18th and 19th century Scottish industrialised mills in the town of Paisley converted cotton, picked by slaves in America, into designs stolen from Kashmir and re-branded as ‘Paisley pattern’, undercutting Indian weavers and putting them out of business. These Scottish mills were operated by displaced agricultural labourers for poor wages and worse conditions, as part of a globalisation in the interest of Capital, one which transcends ‘domestic’ and ‘foreign’, ‘here’ and ‘over there’. This British Empire was not run from London so much by force but by collusion, but if force was required, indigenous soldiers colluded.”
Alf Baird @2:40 pm
“I was long resistant to suggestions that Scotland has been colonised. But as I read Alf Baird’s arguments, I found myself quite unable to refute them.” – Peter A Bell.
Like Peter Bell I was also convinced by your arguments, Alf.
Their logic is undeniable and cannot be fairly refuted.
I’ve mentioned a few times in this place that Logic is truth… and that the truth cannot be successfully argued against.
Peter Bell quotes you in his piece, The New Thinking, thus:
The truth, invariably, is simply stated – as it is stated above.
Only lies require a supporting maze of twisted concepts and ideas that language finds impossible to navigate and untangle – much as we see in the assimilated Scot’s desperate attempts to deny their colonization.
Peter Bell’s piece is worth a read:
The New Thinking by Peter A Bell
The psychology behind the colonization of the mind is interesting… and very powerful.
I read an article on psychology… years ago, I can’t recall its title, that gave the example of a homeless man – a man down on his luck and sitting, drenched by pouring rain and oblivious to his environment and predicament, in a puddle of water.
In an act intended as a kindness a passerby approaches the homeless man and alerts him to his situation.
The homeless man slowly opens his eyes and eventually after a short time comes to his senses and is made aware of his environment.
But instead of being grateful to the passerby for alerting him to his dire predicament the homeless man is enraged.
He is angry because when barely conscious of his plight and lost to a dream comfortably beyond his reality he was, at least, not in pain or reminded of his sorry state.
It might be that many folk awakening to their colonized condition might find it difficult to express their gratitude to those who have wrenched them from their comfortable dream… ungrateful bastards!
Indeed…
Yoons be suffering from Stockholm Syndrome:
“Stockholm syndrome is a psychological response where victims of kidnapping or abuse develop positive feelings, empathy, or even loyalty toward their captors or abusers, often as a survival mechanism in traumatic, high-stress situations”.
Proof of which, if it were needed, was seeing those brain-washed, soap dodging hangers on stood beside Manky Jaikit during Yes marches.
The question “what has the Union done for you and yours” would’ve garnered some interesting answers I’m sure, given that they looked like they were rough sleepers and/or (barely) recovering addicts, all waving their Union Flags and looking as though they couldn’t string a coherent sentence together if their next giro depended upon it.
Plenty folk in Scotland get fat off the Union, but as for Manky Jaikit’s pals, beats the hell out of me what made them believe their situation was improved as a direct result of England’s bountiful generosity. I guess you can’t “fix” stupid!
Tell “Aidan”.
Is it a full moon or something as the trolls seem to be hunting in packs. I wonder if you switch one off the back on again does it revert to factory settings as it would be fun to see how many reincarnations John Main has gone through. Still at least we have Dr Ellis to keep the moon howlers under control see also bore everyone to death. I wonder if the good doctor has a bit of qualification envy as he does seem to have a bit of a thing for Prof Alf Baird. Happy New Year to you all when it arrives.
Mainly pro-union troll accounts posting comments here now David.
All the best for 2026, when it comes
trannyism bores me, I like geopolitics and history, and we need to think bigger if we want indy …
but channel surfing at Christmas, all these old shows – made me think how much of the much famed british comedy was merely – men dressing up as women …
it’s a cheap laugh.
“got any jokes … ”
nah …
– howsabout we dress up as women and really tart it up, mince it for all we’re worth …
YESSS … comedy genius gold …
– and make lots of veiled references to anal sex
YEAH … and get the stockings and suspenders on … yeah … the sheer ones … um, just for the effect on the comedy value, like …
even monty python which was so modern and edgy, its just a lot of cambridge lads in bad makeup and lipstick, clutching handbags
carry on movies, nuffsaid
as if by weird synchronicity, deep space nine has the one with quark, the ferengi, dressing up as a woman/female ferengi
then “some like it hot”
on bbc4 last night, the most influential cultural artefact of our times : the rocky horror show
– I don’t know how many people really know this film and watch it to the end, for it has a morality tale ending : frank n furter gets his just desserts for being such a fucking degenerate that he pisses off nik nak … did you remember that one?
oddly, when I remember my student days and going to the rocky horror show was just “one of those things we all did” – as a group, it was really THE MEDICS who went completely over the top in it, with the full frank n furter gear on, everyone sussied up … something about life following art following life repeating as tragedy and farce, point is, there’s nothing new
– and looks like “Dr Beth” forgot to take his makeup off
It would have been so cool if in that changing room, Sandy Peggie just gave Upton the eye and said
HEY FRANK N FURTER – THE ROCKY HORROR SHOW WAS OVER LAST WEEK …
and every time she saw him after she could sing/hum
“let’s do the time-warp again … ”
Never mind industrial tribunals and complaints to woke management, just use the old mean girls strategy, of bullying people just under the radar… girls and women are usually so good at the undetectable psychological warfare. Listening to music on your headphones, just loud enough so people 10 feet away can hear you. That kind of thing. “danny la rue sings the london palladium”, weimar berlin torch songs by drag queens.
“God hates F4GS”
link to archive.ph
– our modern sodom just bought it; maybe nik nak and magenta left a -ciggie- burning in a waste basket or … come to think of it :
can Muriel Gray account for her whereabouts at the time of ignition?
How are some of the men on here coping with being banned from women’s spaces. Colonialism isn’t quite the same power rush is it?
@ Mark Beggan
It’s a misconception that social democracy means everyone earns the same money, that you can’t get rich and are against private enterprise and a mixed economy. The Scandinavian model shows you can have entrepreneurs, innovation and a social contract that provides a safety net.
Ordinary people can afford health care and aren’t bankrupted by private medical costs. Higher education doesn’t cost a fortune.
Social democracy doesn’t put a ceiling on wealth, it raises the floor. The wealthy, the comfortably off and the poor all live in a society that works.
It’s no coincidence that the happiest, most equal and most successful nations are overwhelmingly social democratic.
Well, here’s what a brief Google search has to say about comparing the UK’s (note: UK’s, not England’s) population densities:
’… The UK is vastly more densely populated than Scandinavia (Sweden, Norway, Denmark), with the UK having around 700+ people per square mile (or ~270+/km²) compared to Sweden’s ~67/sq mi, Norway’s ~39/sq mi, and Denmark’s ~382/sq mi, showing the UK’s much higher concentration of people due to its smaller land area relative to its population, though Denmark is an exception as a denser Nordic nation
I daresay if the UK halved its population density (let alone reduced it ten- or twenty-fold), and protected our borders along Nordic lines, we’d have a damn sight less pressure on our healthcare system (notwithstanding the useless socialist-derived NHS model that pretty much no one else copies), and our quality of life would be better. Even if we collectively indulged ourselves with a moribund left wing political system.
Ah, the old “Nordic countries lefty” trope. Oil-soaked Saudi Arabia/UAE have vastly better per-capita GDP and better quality of life/living standards, but people like yourself are hardly advocating for absolute, hardline theocratic monarchic rule, where petty thieves get their hands chopped off, no?
Speaking as someone who has ran and owned a business for a quarter century, yes, it is possible to make progress against a “socially democratic” backdrop and inept government, but it’s bloody hard work – a lot harder than it should be. As if any proof were needed, vast hordes of talented young people leaving the UK (increasing the proportion of work shy for the rest of us to pay for) speaks volumes.
I also think there is a common and sometimes deliberate misrepresentation of how the Scandinavian countries function. They are very much capitalist, market based countries in the way their economies are structured, and the state companies they do have (e.g. in energy) are run as hard edged commercial businesses.
One of the biggest differences compared to the U.K. and continental Europe is that Scandinavia didn’t industrialise in big urban centres in the 1800’s and 1900’s and therefore hasn’t been left with vast densely populated post-industrial areas (see the valleys in South Wales) which are now very unproductive. That means whilst in the U.K. almost everyone takes out a lot more than they pay in, in Scandinavia almost everyone working is paying a big chunk towards maintaining their well-run state and is happy to do so.
It’s also a place where, despite its significant wealth, people are happy to live relatively modest lives and spend a bigger share of their considerable incomes on great public services and infrastructure rather than say flashy cars or massive houses. Of course it is an easier choice there, because even with high taxes you can have a good house, a modern car, eat out, go on holiday etc. In contrast in the U.K. we increasingly ask our middle class not to live middle class lifestyles to pay Scandinavian levels of tax for average and worsening public services.
That’s where the lesson from Scandinavia lies, we have to first become radically more productive (e.g. we can’t have places in South Wales with a GDP per capita 1/5th of Norways!) and then spend some of the proceeds of that wealth on a better state. On immigration, high-skilled immigration should be easy and straightforward, low skilled immigration shouldn’t be allowed outside very narrow exceptions. What we can’t do is wack up taxes and regulation on businesses every year to pay for an ever expanding state with an ever shrinking private sector.
Yes, very good points Aidan.
Fundamentally, in any comparative discussion such as this, it’s essential to compare oranges with oranges. Perhaps Andy can name successful socialist economies that are comparative to UK in terms of size, population density, maturity etc?
(Interestingly, Denmark abandoned socialism as it didn’t work – again)
“One of the biggest differences compared to the U.K. and continental Europe is that Scandinavia didn’t industrialise…”
One of the biggest differences compared to Scotland is that Scandinavia wasn’t colonized and its people oppressed by a thick and greedy oppressor who cares only for the short-term buck and gives not a shit about the Scots it subjugates and steals from.
Scandinavia was at one time itself populated by a colonizing bunch of thug-wits (the Vikings) who colonised Greenland and Newfoundland, for instance (America is currently attempting to ‘free’, or perhaps steal is a more fitting word, Greenland from Scandinavian control).
So, yeah, there’s a big difference between Scotland and Scandinavia… Scotland was colonized by thugs, Scandinavia was a thuggish coloniser – albeit not in the same league as ‘glorious’ Britannia.
“Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves! Britons never, never, never shall be slaves… unless they’re Scottish-Britons that is who are ‘slaves’, ironically, to Britannia-as-England.”
The other thing is that the public spending to GDP % ratio in the U.K. is not dissimilar to Norway/Sweden/Denmark etc. which is markedly less than France (57%) and much higher than the USA (c.35%). If you consider the application of progressive income tax policies which take disproportionately more from the wealthy, then if we applied Norwegian income levels to UK’s tax framework we’d actually likely have a much higher spending/GDP ratio than Scandinavia. So in headline terms we already have the tax/spend policies, yet we don’t get the benefits because we aren’t rich enough to afford them.
@Northcode – I suppose you’re glossing over the part where Norway was invaded and occupied by Nazi Germany. I think that probably had a worse economic and societal impact that having to live near a wind turbine or use a tram or whatever artificial contrived grievance is the flavour of the week.
“…it’s essential to compare oranges with oranges.”
Agreed… although in AI Dan’s latest incomprehensible collection of internet generated word dribblings derived from the screechings of hundreds, perhaps thousands, or possibly millions of ignorants from around the digital world the comparison appears to be between oranges and a sack of shit.
In rhetoric this type of argument is called… shit.
“public spending to GDP % ratio in the U.K. is not dissimilar to Norway”
Aye, which also explains why public spending in Norway with a GDP-per-cap in excess of $106,000 is 3-times higher than in Scotland where GDP-per-cap languishes around $40,000 (after continued colonial theft of our national wealth).
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
“…invaded and occupied by Nazi Germany.”
A temporary invasion lasting a haunfu o years is not colonization.
The Scots were ‘invaded’ three centuries ago and the English are still here fucking up Scotland and plundering whatever it can.
It would have been great for the Scots if England had left Scotland at the same time Nazi Germany buggered aff oot o Norway… or earlier.
What a pathetic attempt on your part to conflate the colonization of Scotland by England over three centuries and more with the short-term invasion of Norway by Germany during WW2.
In a turn of events everyone expected those figures are wrong;
– GDP per capita in Scotland is about $53,000 (roughly the same as Finland)
– GDP per capita in Norway is $86,000 (roughly equivalent to the USA)
Public spending in Norway is also around 2x (not 3x) that in Scotland, and of course this partly reflects the much higher cost of goods and services there.
The two extremely basic errors you have made there are:
– assuming a £1:$1 conversion rate; and
– confusing nominal and PPP GDP per capita rates.
When you were marking students work would you have accepted mistakes like that?
@Aidan
Wow. Such elementary, innumerate schoolboy errors must be very embarrassing for our learned friend, one imagines.
GDP-per-capita data I quoted was for 2021-22.
That the gap between UK and Norway etc may have since fallen to half, from a third, hardly seems worth the Scots celebrating.
We are still forced to endure less than the half public spending per capita compared to Norway, with ongoing crises in every ministry and policy area.
UK domination and economic exploitation still makes Scots the poorest people in NW Europe, missing £150+ billion every year, plundered by England-as-UK and its offshore corporations.
That isn’t the figure for GDP per capita in Norway for 2021 either though Alf (c.$93k is the actual figure), that’s before we start getting into why you’d use the figures from nearly 5-years ago.
Your conclusion there is also wrong. GDP per capita is lower in both Wales and Northern Ireland, is very similar in Belgium (c.$55k), Finland (as above), slightly lower than Sweden (c.$57k), higher than France ($46k), and the Baltic Countries ($23k – $30k). It is also likely very similar to Ireland’s when you remove the highly distortive impact of base shifting profit erosion and other abusive behaviours which are permitted in Ireland but not elsewhere.
As I have pointed out many times (to no avail clearly) Edinburgh has one of the highest GDP per capita ratios of any city outside North America. Even if you’re argument that any difference between GDP per capita of Scotland and neighbouring countries is explained by “colonial plunder” (whatever that means, and which it doesn’t) the data fails to support the argument that GDP is significantly lower in Scotland than elsewhere.
Normally then it goes “aye but we got oil and renewables”. Look at the list of the top-20 oil producing countries, maybe 2 have a higher GDP per capita than Scotland. Renewables are a highly subsided expensive form of domestic energy. No country anywhere is getting rich off renewable energy.
Hear that everyone?
Just shut up, ok?
“Aidan” says wer’e better off in “The Union” so that’s final.
get some more of our GDP dosh into HS2 and new stuff for London.
Jesus wept.
“Public spending in Norway is also around 2x (not 3x)…”
Still twice that, or a bit more, of Scotland’s, though.
Colonialists, in their fervour to win small and insignificant points against the “Scotland is a Colony” argument, invariably miss the BIG point… the BIG point being: Colonized countries, Scotland included, are so much worse off – in every possible way and not only financially – than those that aren’t colonised.
@ Andy Ellis
“Social Democracy”
Unless women are treated with the respect that they deserve and everyone takes responsibility for their actions then you have nothing at all.
I agree. However the fact that – at least at present – the strongest defenders of women’s rights and opponents of genderism are coming from the political right doesn’t mean social democrats have to accept that we should therefore view Reform or MAGA or its other international equivalents with equanimity.
Perhaps the tide is beginning to turn with respect to the gender madness, but I think it may take an electoral gubbing for the centre left to get real.
Certainly in Scotland it still seems many are content to keep supporting the SNP, though from the figures Reform are taking a lot of support from the Scottish Tories, but also some from (I suspect) the anti-EU, nativist wing of the independence movement.
Social contracts?
They appear to be selective and non binding nowadays,
Listening to the debates in Westminster over women not being informed in time to make alternative plans for their pension age changes and many Women not being informed at all, the MP said this error should not have happened it is was a Social Contract with these women and compensation should be awarded,
But Social contracts only favour one side, and it can be manipulated,
Today I post on here because another Social Contract that is full of errors and Deleted records by Civil Servants and government have, and is preventing me from attaining my State pension.
There seems to be a two tier biological sex discrimination abnormality going on women towards in Social Contracts.
For there were errors also in my mothers pension and at the end of my Grandmothers.
One generation you can take them at their word, three generations of errors and maladministration
Is much more difficult to believe and leans more to biological discrimination.
So difficult to think these generation errors and maladministration towards women in Social Contracts is anything but bias.
But your believe that we all benefit from Social Contracts is contrary to the reality lived within the generations in my family as a experience,
I done my working life and paid into the Social Contracts for no return,
the last amount they took from me before I was due to retire was £10’000,
Now the tell me they cannot find my records.
Have no records of my having had children,
At the same time as taxing my children,
Giving them the required driving licenses after passing their tests,
And allocating them their passports over 20 years ago.
Social Contracts are not worth the paper they are wrote on, its a scam to take your money over years, and return nothing when they change their minds and excuse and obfuscate out of by claiming they are errors or maladministration,
Biological Women have learned the hard way.
A lesson for the men of the future, the direction Social Contracts will take.
They want the blood of our children for their upcoming wars. Give them nothing.
Andy Ellis,
You will have forgive for stating where you can stuff your believe in Social Contracts,
£10,000 worse off before right before retirement and no Social contract state pension been received at all when it was due in the beginning of 2024, and nothing, not a peep since,
Social Contracts is theft directly from your bank leaving you with nothing to live off and nothing to sell.
Very personal and financial reasons for contesting and recognising how Social Contracts and Civic Society does not work,
So unable to retire with as I should be able to, I keep posting to let everyone know the errors, maladministration, and of hidden records that suddenly disappear,
Which in my research for equality has led me to other records in government that surprisingly or not surprisingly as the case may be, have been accidentally forgotten or buried deep stuffed down the back of the Sofa within the system of governance.
If only they had not cheated me of finances in the first place in a Social Contract, I would never had started doing a deep dive into records..aye!
You are correct in a way,
The not keeping your word in a government Social Contract does pay long term dividends for others here on Wings however.
@James Cheyne
Do you get paid directly from Qatar or is there a middle man account.
Please don’t tell me you post this constant dribble for Free.
“It was God who gave Pictavia to the Picts who in turn, in an act of great generosity pleasing to the Almighty, ‘shared’ their lands with the Irish Scotti, a people in need of aid, and renamed Pictavia as Scotland in the Scotti’s honour and in friendship.
The Picts and the Scotti together called their two peoples the Scots in perpetuity and made themselves known to all folk, both existing at that time and for those yet to come, by that name.
Only the Lord our God can take from the Scots what He Himself has given unto them.
And it is written in the stars of His firmament that any who attempt to steal from the Scots and take from them their God-given right to exist in their own lands and live by their own creed, culture, beliefs and laws shall be struck down by God the Almighty, Lord of Universes and Creator of all that is or will ever be, and returned to the stardust from which He made them.
That lost and forgotten chapter in the Bible has only recently been recovered so it’s unlikely England has had a chance to read it yet judging by its ongoing colonial activities in Scotland.
Oops! Oh, well… maybe God will understand and cut England some slack for its sins.
As a salesman for the new world of civic Society and Social Contracts you will have prove it works for everyone,
Right now it does not work for Women or their families, it is disrespectful, bias and discrimentory,
That is half the population of Britain were speaking of roughly.
The Sales pitch you spout on Social Contracts or Civil Society needs backing up with something more Solid than airy fairy ideology. And must been seen to work, for all, or no one will buy your pushy sales talk,
This is where the prime minster and all his ilk are failing, can’t do the walk and match it to his talk.
Fails most, but helps a few selected pals up the ladder,
People see it for what it is, trying to selling us a white elephant for our living rooms.
Here in the land of reality called Scotland , we are already dealing with the first White elephant we were sold,
The treaty of union that is binding on Scotland but not on England,
It pays to feed the wee birds. Just seen a Great spotted woodpecker in the garden.
That’s my day made.
Mark beggan,
You obviously did not read it, just made a silly derogative comment,
I do not get payed for contributing to the Social Contract called contributions, The discussions were held and debated in Westminster parliament many times and with the Financial ombudsman.
Do keep up.
If it has been debated in Westminster then why are you going on about it?
Do you think that repeating the same old crap will make the slightest dent on the political outcome.
You are trying to make a case for Scotland. Paragraph after paragraph of the James method just won’t sell it.
You have no political machinery, no foot soldiers, no strategy, no grassroots, no talent and no will of the people.
Taking it upon yourself to petition the UN is tantamount to treason.
But I’ll tell you who does have all the pieces on the board. Reform.
The voluntary union is another one of those social Contracts that has been sold as a white elephant.
Binding on one but not the other, does not exactly fit the neat niche of the disscriptive word ( voluntary)
As you could voluntary remove oneself also.
And could claim you were mislead or mis- sold that agreement as being voluntary.
You could claim that in the contract you did not agree to territory of the community of the Scots people being included.
And that the people whom included it were not the legal owners it.
That the Monarch of England is stated in the contract as the monarch of England,
and that Great Britain mentioned of first Great Britain of 1707- 1800 date.
Was Not the Same Great Britain as the second Great Britain date 1800 -2025/2026.
And was in fact a entirely different legally constructed entity.
Check the small print and record keeping on the contract to see if its binding,
If one side ( party ) fails to uphold the terms, conditions and said articles then the contract is voided. Ended.
Come to the light James. Free yourself from the colonial shackles. Join us in the Feasting halls. Your Fascist brothers and sisters are calling you to join us in Valhalla.
Come in from the socialist cold.
“Call it institutional bias, ideological capture, or just the law doing its job”
My contention is that the public persecution of Nurse Peggie (and numerous other Scots) is primarily due to ethnic discrimination, which in any colonial society becomes institutionalised and hence normalised.
Ethnic discrimination may be defined as the “unequal distribution of systemic power in the areas of (Bivens, 1995):
(a) Decision making – there is a system in pace that rewards those in the oppressed group who support the oppressor group and punishes those who do not;
(b) Resources – money and employment are in the gift of the oppressor group;
(c) Standards – what the oppressor group view as socially appropriate or normal behaviour is assumed to be the standard the oppressed group must conform to; and
(d) Naming the problem – problems of racism and ethnicity are assumed to be caused by the oppressed group themselves.”
(from ‘Doun-Hauden’, p. 255)
“My contention is that the public persecution of Nurse Peggie (and numerous other Scots) is primarily due to ethnic discrimination… “
Yet another illuminating comment, Alf.
It’s clear that the conclusion arrived at, concocted some might put it, in the Nurse Peggie pantomime is grossly unfair… an unfairness that appears to be driven by an anti-Scots sentiment that is now baked in as a part of Scotland’s institutional structures.
Those who can’t see that anti-Scot bias – even in the everyday operations of Scotland’s civic bodies and public institutions, even in corporate Scotland – aren’t looking hard enough.
Marie.
They want the blood of our children,
An interesting observation, if the first Great Britain 1707-1800 is not the same legal entity construct as the second Great Britain 1800 – 2025 / 2026.
It may seem like nit picking in records, but has the potential to become a much larger and major issue if England and Ireland are the new Great Britain from 1800.
How would they obtain that.
So Scotland meets the military conquest marker for a colony?
ChatGPT said:
It meets one common marker used in colonial analysis — but not all of them.
So the accurate answer is: yes, partially, and episodically — but it’s contested and depends on the framework being used.
Here’s the careful breakdown.
1. Military conquest as a colonial marker
In many historical and post-colonial frameworks, a society meets the “military conquest” marker if it experienced:
Invasion by another state
Defeat of indigenous political authority
Occupation by foreign troops
Rule enforced or guaranteed by garrisons
Scotland clearly meets this marker at several points:
1296–1357: repeated invasions, occupation, imposed rulers, English garrisons
1650–1660: full military conquest and direct rule by England
Post-1746: permanent internal garrisons used to enforce political restructuring
So on this criterion alone, Scotland qualifies at multiple times.
The reality one can only suspect is that the UK cannot afford social contracts by which I suspect means pay in and get supported later.
But look at the UK. It wealth is hollowed out by extreme profiteering. Once upon a time the UK produced things. Cars, steel, ships, aeroplanes, a manufacturing sector and much more. What now does it produce.
And what of things like ports, airports, electricity production, water companies. Once state owned to provide both service and an operating surplus to the taxpayer, they like so much else are gone with ownership and profits transferred around the globe.
The example of wind generation in Scotland is the classic example. Now producing much more energy than Scotland requires, with hydro and battery farms to store and balance up the load what benefit for the natives.
Or what of medical PPE provided by two bit Lady Mone and her now defunct company Medpro that was paid a couple of hundred million pounds for useless plastic gowns and which has now gone down owing the taxpayer aroud £160 million. And she is only the thin end of a much bigger web of plunder.
And then of course there is the social contract, the benefits et al. Very worthwhile but what does nuch of it deliver. In a country like Scotland that cannot build its own ships, has a skills shortage, there are UK wide something like 960,000 of young people not in education, training or employment. It fabulous but as one budding SNP politician on long term benefits due to aniety once said to me, she did her bit for the country because she spent her benefits. Maybe that is a sour perception. Maybe she was fit enough to campaign but not fit enough to work. But there must be many many many who get benefits and could contribute but don’t, and they by their actions are poison on those who need benefits.
But the bigger picture is clear, The UK is going down by just about every metric. Economic, social the country has been filleted and now struggles. The elites prosper. and the rest who contribute get ever less as they contribute more.
So just one thing to maybe ask. How have all these ex colonies soared in their economic output and living standard. How have small countries like Norway, Malta, Singapore, UAE or Qatar fared so well. What has China done. Contrast its transformation these last forty years with the UK’s transformation.
Developed country heading to under developed country whilst other move from underdeveloped countries to developed countries.
Whatever the reason, a million Neets and a select elite tell you maybe all you need to know.
“You can’t redefine facts just by saying words”. says Chatgpt.
You mean like calling imperialism a union or commonwealth?
“Yes — that’s actually a good example, and you’re pointing at something real about how language is used.
Calling imperialism a “union,” “commonwealth,” or “partnership” doesn’t change the underlying facts (power imbalance, coercion, extraction). It’s a reframing, sometimes a euphemism, used to make something sound more neutral or positive than it really is.
That shows an important distinction:
Words can reframe how something is perceived
Words cannot, by themselves, change what actually happened or is happening
So:
Calling imperialism a “union” doesn’t stop it being imperialism”.
Teachtaireacht na Nollag ón Uachtarán Connolly /
Christmas Message from President Catherine Connolly (22 Dec 2025)
Is é seo an chéad teachtaireacht Nollag a sheolfaidh an tUachtarán Connolly i ndiaidh a hinsealbhú mar deichiú Uachtarán na hÉireann i mí na Samhna.
This year’s (bilingual) message is the first Christmas Message to be delivered by President Catherine Connolly, following her inauguration as the tenth President of Ireland in November.
link to youtube.com
That’s great, good for Ireland.
The things a country can do when it isn’t colonised, eh?
Maybe the President of an independent Scotland can beat that Connolly with a trilingual Christmas message; braw Scots, thon Gaelic (I suppose), and lastly English (well, at least it’s useful).
‘Colonialism’ seems a hard word for some to say.
It’s six syllables, Alf… a big ask for the colonialists who fart aboot this joint.