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January 02, 1968 by
Rev. Stuart Campbell
For off-topic chat. Duh.
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@ Kendomacaroonbar Sos Ken thats wan nite I,ll miss,if its Livestreamed I.ll see if I can connect. I still have your Wee Blue Book poster,& i,ve lost your phone number gies a ring.
A wee mention here of what’s going on on main thread for oor ain fozzy bear A Charmichael (bless).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOl-SOxXyPY.
The last few verses lyrics,
and in the stark and the sobering
dry sunlight
i will blink my eyes and
hope the blink can erase
all the shit that i said
and did
hold onto your thumbs
tighten your eyelids, uh-uh, uhuh
lock up your ears, my dear,
i’m verbal when i am loaded
duck under that desk,
cover your neck, uh-uh uh-uuuh
thicken your skin as i begin
to shoot myself in the foot again
and if i shoot at you,
you should shoot at me, too
and we can drown in pools
of the thick dark words we threw
and as my face turns white
i apologize
i am sorry
it’s not your fault
its mine
Well after a sweet sherry (just the one mind), here’s another wee happy toon,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf2ts2FIatQ enjoy
And just for you Ronnie, part 2 of boogie in that pub.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F5e54ErBXU
Hi Ken.
I think Cactus will be summarily elected as ‘music liaison’…
8=)
Just sitting back filing my nails xx
I suppose congratulations should be in order, sweetie?
What was that cearc honey?
My new fan cearc sweetie…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXH9DVS76yM
One of the sweetest men I ever knew…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MOZnMRLYUs
Where and who else?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP8A9rtg0iI
And…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yChTjZqGCt0
@ Gillian_Ruglonian, 25 May 15, 1:16am
Gillian, you will find that is probably a waste of your precious time ๐ A lot of us just can’t help ourselves from time to time though!
‘Tis a mystery.
Betty Boop honey have you got that shade of red we admired, run out of cearc’s supply on my fingers – got to get the toes done before the boys arrive.
That’ll be my fabulous ‘Elephant in a Cherry Tree’ shade?
Checking in.
Been away to a weekend music festival up by and beyond the ‘rest and be thankful’, lots a-going on in here too.. good to see the next sociable taking shape.
Away tae unpack.
cearc honey – that’s the one, total disguise.
Testing again
Which colour honey?
@Gillian_Ruglonian
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Turning things off and on again, in STYLE! ๐
Oneironaut – I’m dreaming honey, and remembering everything.
Never going back again.
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKj1EFeU-cM
Thepnr honey – we do our best love but please avoid Ronnie’s coffee table and also please put your wee utubey thingy ]amywotsits up with due care and attention.
Oh by the way cherubs – I’m a bit worried, where’s Tartan Toy?{sorry Tory) I sent him home to change but he never came.
Oneironaut – I’m dreaming honey, and remembering everything. I’ve been lying in again – popular I believe
@Paula Rose
“Is all that we see or seem
But a dream within a dream?”
You’re lucky, I can’t always remember mine ๐
This is dedicated to Team 56. Keep on doing what you’re doing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8fUzUwi_ws
Paula – No need to worry, I’m still here honey, but leather now discarded. Looks like a bit of a ‘dreich’ few days ahead, so bike stays tucked-up for now. ๐
And I’ve passed your domicile twice in the past hour, albeit in jeans’n’shirt in my posh motor, but the wee red light wasn’t on in the top window, so I just kept rollin’ on…. ๐
Tartan Tory
LOL ๐ :-):-)
Imagine the 56 doing this in the Commons. the speaker would be raging. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=IDvIo_LRIZ4
@ Michael McCabe
That would be interesting, but, after a night on the tiles, it would be great to see them do this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvZAdW7IJCg
See what happens when you post links, you never know where you will end up.
@ Tartan Tory
Just as well you kept rollin’ on.
Paula R was in such a flap because I had none of the classy cherry red polish, only remains of some shocking pink, just like that shade on Vauxhall Cresta’s in the early 60s.
Not in vogue and def not enough pzazz for Paula, didnae even match her shoes; was beside herself in case she had to receive guests whilst not looking her best.
Cheers
Put blue bulbs in the chandelier – does he care to notice?
This is the message that the 56 are taking to Westminster on our behalf.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17yfqxoSTFM
I know that a fair few readers here enjoy Laurel & Hardy as I do ๐
Well get on down, the Rolling Stones accompany L&H lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpV-VKu45nM
Thepnr honey – oh sniggles galore xx
Oneironaut
We are the music makers,
And we are the dreamers of dreams,
Wandering by lone sea-breakers,
And sitting by desolate streams;โ
World-losers and world-forsakers,
On whom the pale moon gleams:
Yet we are the movers and shakers
Of the world for ever, it seems.
They had no vision amazing
Of the goodly house they are raising;
They had no divine foreshowing
Of the land to which they are going:
But on one man’s soul it hath broken,
A light that doth not depart;
And his look, or a word he hath spoken,
Wrought flame in another man’s heart.
And therefore to-day is thrilling
With a past day’s late fulfilling;
And the multitudes are enlisted
In the faith that their fathers resisted,
And, scorning the dream of to-morrow,
Are bringing to pass, as they may,
In the world, for its joy or its sorrow,
The dream that was scorned yesterday.
From the Ode by Arthur O’Shaugnessy (many thanks to Morag for introducing me to him way back in September 2014)
Paula Rose – “Red Alert, Red Alert!” “Are you sure?” “Yes, why?” “It means changing the light bulb.” (Bonus points if you know where that comes from).
No idea why this popped into me heid, but thought I would share:
Blancmange, ‘Living On The Ceiling’ –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L03PJeB38dI
@Natasha
I read that poem and it’s not often that I do. I have only one poem that struck a chord with me. Wasn’t in the best of moods when I first found it though. Didn’t make me worse, just made me think!
It won’t be to many’s taste, bit old fashioned but powerful I think all the same.
O Me! O Life!
BY WALT WHITMAN
Oh me! Oh life! of the questions of these recurring,
Of the endless trains of the faithless, of cities fillโd with the foolish,
Of myself forever reproaching myself, (for who more foolish than I, and who more faithless?)
Of eyes that vainly crave the light, of the objects mean, of the struggle ever renewโd,
Of the poor results of all, of the plodding and sordid crowds I see around me,
Of the empty and useless years of the rest, with the rest me intertwined,
The question, O me! so sad, recurringโWhat good amid these, O me, O life?
Answer.
That you are hereโthat life exists and identity,
That the powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse.
Not many people know that this was mostly shot in Saltcoats:
Black, ‘Wonderful Life’ –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uERD1heDU_Q
@Natasha
ooo, I like that one ๐
Haven’t heard it before, but I like it.
The bit I posted was from “Dream within a dream” by Edgar Allan Poe.
Don’t know for sure if I’m interpreting it right, but some time last year or so I was introduced to this movie called “Waking Life” by a fellow independence campaigner (who used to come on here sometimes, haven’t seen him in ages).
It made me wonder if everything around us is simply a dream within a dream ๐
Fascinating things dreams…
Also, yep, I think I know where that quote is from ๐ hehe.
@ Natasha that ode was great. Morag has taste. Do not know the Quote. As for red alert I know this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6hIF81M0yQA
Private Eye’s wee dig at our elected “Braveheart dreamers, useless time-servers and local authority drongos” inspired me to do a bit of number-crunching on Team 56:
https://wildernessofpeace.wordpress.com/2015/05/29/scots-on-the-make/
I’d love to actually answer my somewhat rhetorical question of how many Westminster party candidates did nearly as well as the SNP did, but until I can find a spreadsheet that includes all the data sets (I made up my own spreadsheet featuring only Team 56 after tracking down the relevant information) I don’t know how feasible that’d be. Anyone have an idea?
Anyone going to Stirling Bridge today? A sizable delegation from Rutherglen are going up on the train shortly if you’re looking for company ๐
@Taranaich
Great article as always ๐
Would be interesting info to have that. I’d love to know just exactly how weak the Tories’ grip on power is these days!
I believe if voters in England had had a real alternative to vote for (an English SNP. ENP?) the Tories would have been utterly destroyed south of the border as well.
Someone down there needs to get busy on that before the next election! ๐
@Gillian_Ruglonian
Sorry, that’s a bit out of my travel range. Also got somewhere to be today.
Going up to Dungavel on Saturday though.
Also had a nice time in Ayr on Wednesday there, joining a protest outside the Tory office there.
We also had an unexpected visit from David Cameron himself! ๐ hehe
https://twitter.com/AyrshireSSP/status/603589593519230979
@ Oneironaut
Oooh, careful, we’ll be back to quantum physics again!
Aargh! I hate it when an answer which fits at least as well as the intended one to the given clue blocks you from getting other clues.
Yesterday I had CURTAIL 18 Dn
Seems appropriate. ๐
The Swinging Tigers – Snake Walk Part 1 & 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRzyllMExR4
Hi CameronB Brodie.
If you’re gonna stretch the limits and include bands with “Tiger” in their name, I can’t not do this post.
One of my all-time favourite singles (which was relatively popular at discos in Dundee) was this one, from “Shabby Tiger”.
For some reason, it was first released in Germany in 1974 and got to number 1 in the German charts. It was released on RCA in the UK in 1975 and went nowhere – but I had heard it at Chalmers & Joy in the Seagate and thought, “That’ll take on…”.
Another one of my spectacular failures at predicting hits.
Onnyhoo, here’s some info from this link:-
http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/10330001.VIDEO__Tributes_to_Blackburn_singer_who_had_hits_in_seven_countries/
A BLACKBURN singer who had a number one hit in seven countries has died at the age of 61.
Henderson Gibson co-wrote and sang backing vocals for Billy Ocean and the Nolan Sisters in the early 1970s before striking out with his own band called Shabby Tiger.
Though never fully recognised in the UK, the bandโs 1974 single โSlow Downโ hit the number one spot in Germany and several other European countries.
Gibson, who was affectionately known as โHendyโ, was diagnosed with lung cancer last year and died at home on March 26.
Born in Glasgow, Mr Gibson was inspired to take up music and become a singer after watching his sister Heather win a talent contest.
I always thought the graphic from their album sleeve (which I have in my collection of vinyl) would make a cracker of a T-shirt but I’ve never got round to having one made.
http://images.plixid.com/imager/w_500/h_/2dc384994ca6fb0630fa5bc23d88e6b2.jpg
Onnyhoo, here’s the tune.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE_kl5mOMw8
Hi Natasha.
I was going to reply to you on another page today but with juggling 6 Wings tabs in Firefox and dipping in and out as work allowed me, I forgot which page was due a reply.
Hence this post here.
You responded to Rev Stu’s deletion of the bulk of a post on “nationalism” by telling Rev Stu that we didn’t want that sort of content in this wee roomie.
You should have suggested that “Quarantine” was a more appropriate home for it!
http://wingsoverscotland.com/quarantine/
Clean glasses in the cupboard sweeties – music night in bonnie Brechin, off out might catch you all later.
Marvin Gaye, ‘Got To Give It Up’ (live) –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHksnzENQ_A
Bryan Ferry’s playing in Glasgow tonight.
Here he is, with Roxy Music, just a few years ago – by my reckoning he was 65 at the time. Looking good mister…
‘Virginia Plain’ –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v27SIQPZ6cc
No, sorry, that’s wrong. It was 2001, and he’s 69 now, so he must’ve been…er…he was still quite old right!
Brian Doonthetoon
Hi, Dundee has always been ahead of the curve. ๐
Here’s another twist on the surf theme. Kanjinch? is the name of a Japanese kabuki play concerning loyalty, deception and piety. It was also apparently the inspiration for Akira Kurosawa’s period drama, “The Men Who Tread on the Tiger’s Tail”.
Takeshi Terauchi and Bunnys – Kanjincho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQLb3aq-xs4
Thepnr – well you’re a bundle of laughs, aren’t you? I’ll have to find some more uplifting poetry to cheer you up a bit.
C’mon Paula Rose – I know you’re long in the tooth, but you must have watched Red Dwarf!
@Natasha
I suppose your right, mind you I was still a Labour supporter when I found that. Explains a lot LOL.
Had to double-check, while watching this, that I’m drinking cider as opposed to mushroom tea:
Wizzard, ‘See My Baby Jive’ –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHNdQJPmTRU
Oneironaut
It made me wonder if everything around us is simply a dream within a dream ๐
Apparently the latest quantum theories suggest that certain sub-atomic particles only come into existance when observed, so if correct, you might say we are all figments of someone else’s imagination. ๐
@CameronB –
I know you were ‘talking’ to Oneironaut, so please forgive me interjecting.
You’re a well-read dude, and I’m curious about your thoughts on the quantum stuff, imaginary figments etc. Specifically, I’m wondering if you, or anyone else, could have a stab at explaining this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cdFuMgMkBM
Ian Brotherhood
The question you should be asking yourself, is not ‘What am I drinking?’ but ‘Why am I watching this in the first place?’
By the way, I might be a unionist agent; personally I think I’m probably just a cylon sleeper. The only trouble is, there wasn’t a midget model.
I see we’re still being taken back to the previous page. Has anyone worked out how many posts it takes for that to stop happening?
Ian Brotherhood
No problem at all Ian, though I think you may have me confused with some other dude. ๐
Taking a stab at answering you though, I think your previous clip may have some significance in explaining the existence of that particular phenomena. I mean, where do you go from Roy Wood? To infinity and beyond? ๐
Ian B – I hope you noticed the “Move” link I posted on the “Tiger” page today…
So, another single I liked but it bombed in the UK:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zezVBsfmBQ
BTW: in that last YouTube link – the guy on keyboards, playing that really complicated contribution, is Vangelis.
And typing of Vangelis, I reckon he was inspired by this, when he wrote “Chariots Of Fire”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgp5fd0-StI
@BDTT –
‘Shabby Tiger’?
That was very catchy. Never heard it before. ‘Gotta slow down…’ Yeah!
My better half just got back from seeing Bryan Ferry, said he was great, did all the Roxy stuff. Not a marathon set, but intense, and he had everyone up on their feet.
Sticking with the Japanese surf theme.
Takeshi Terauchi & The Blue Jeans – Rashomon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g2fXW-K3GA
The idea of contradicting interpretations has been around for a long time. It is studied in the context of understanding the nature of truth(s) and truth-telling in journalism. Valerie Alia has used the term “Rashomon effect” extensively since the late 1970s. She first published the term in an essay on the politics of journalism for Theaterwork Magazine in 1982. She further developed and used the term in her books, Media Ethics and Social Change,[1] and in a chapter of Deadlines and Diversity: Journalism Ethics in a Changing World,[2] which she authored; the book was co-edited by Valerie Alia, Brian Brennan and Barry Hoffmaster.
A useful demonstration of this principle in scientific understanding can be found in Karl G. Heider’s work on ethnography.[3] Heider used the term to refer to the effect of the subjectivity of perception on recollection, by which observers of an event are able to produce substantially different but equally plausible accounts of it.
It is named for Akira Kurosawa’s film Rashomon, in which a crime involving four individuals is described in four mutually contradictory ways.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashomon_effect
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYD-rzSNiLU&feature=player_detailpage Good Band Back in the day
(lovely crowd in tonight)
@CameronB Brodie
There’s also that thing about “quantum entanglement”, linking two quantum particles together and being able to change one by changing the other, no matter how far apart they are.
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/516636/physicists-discover-the-secret-of-quantum-remote-control/
Might be something in that whole “telekinesis” thing, being able to affect objects at a distance. Assuming of course a human mind can somehow create distant links and alter subatomic particles.
Just like affecting the flow of a dream, for us lucid dreaming travellers…
Maybe we’re capable of literally dreaming ourselves a better world… ๐
@Natasha
Yay, I got the Red Dwarf reference! Love that show! ๐
(In case any TV licencing folks are reading this: that is, I DID love that show back when I had TV reception! hehe) ๐
Found the bit it’s from too. At around 1:25 or so ๐
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81W8tG3wH_4
Also, if you’re a unionist agent, do you feel like defecting and coming over to the fun side? ๐
We have cookies and ice cream! ๐
Sheesh, all this quantum stuff and modes of perception, time & space discussion. Anyway, have to dash as the platform is arriving at my train.
The great Jim Croce. Time in a Bottle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO1rMeYnOmM
QQ my honey,did you pass through a time space continuum when you walked down station road,or is there something I should know?
Platforms only arrive at trains if you are on the train, not if you are on the platform.
btw Natasha are you on the twitty thing (and anyone else)?
Has any song ever had a better opening than this?
The Waterboys, ‘Don’t Bang The Drum’ (live, 2012) –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImjhRmyMFFk
I know someone who knew Ian Dury. Seriously. And what’s more, you know that person too! (but I ain’t telling, so please don’t ask…)
Ian Dury & The Blockheads, ‘Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick’ –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WGVgfjnLqc
Naughtie sweary words?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtuVBPwzstM
Beautiful boys…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoJYM3krDWQ
@Paula Rose –
Okay, hats-off – the opening to Plaistow Patricia is unbeatable.
๐
Hi Ian B.
Seeing as you appreciated Shabby Tiger, here’s another from the same year (1975).
It was another single I picked up because, at the time, I spent my lunch hours in Dundee’s premier record shop, Chalmers & Joy, where I listened to the new releases that had come in that day, while enjoying my Wallace’s bridie (Castle Street) and a packet of cheese & onion, all washed down with a can of Coke.
Onnyhoo, once again, I thought, “That’s a bra’ record; that’ll take on!” So I bought it. It reminded me of “Keep Yourself” by Queen, what with the (double-tracked?) harmonic lead guitar sound and so on.
And of course, because I liked it, the greater British record buying public totally ignored it. It was produced by Phil Wainman (Sweet and David Bowie & others). Nobody (according to Google) knows anything about any members of the band.
I believe Paula Rose was so inspired by this single, as to cause a major redesign of a certain ‘maison’ in Brechin.
Here’s Son Of A Gun. Enjoy the pics…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZKT4zdbHwc
@BDTT –
Again, that’s a perfectly whistleable wee tune, but whoever picked their name for them should’ve been publicly horsewhipped. And they were fools to accept such a cheesy moniker – the price, as we now know, was to be ignored, then completely forgotten.
The original and best:
Bay City Rollers, ‘S-A-T-U-R-D-A-Y Night!’ –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBn2ux5vRHk
Sadly passed but I need to keep his CD’s in the fridge he was so cool…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDy8kWnEaVM
Boss surf from 1964. Sorry. ๐
The Astronauts – Firewater
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO_pOYfsJk4
@Croompenstein & CamB –
Good stuff chaps.
Especially like the dancing of the dudes in the Astronauts clip – ‘daddy dancing’ was obligatory for all men in sixties America, and many women danced as though one of their big toes had been stapled to the carpet. The guy on the sofa is clearly bent on getting pished as fast as he can, for reasons which, presumably, are addressed elsewhere in the movie.
A fascinating glimpse into the past which spawned us all…
Hi Ian B.
This is where I put on my pedant DJ hat. You described that BCR ‘Saturday Night’ video as “The original and best”.
‘Saturday Night’ (BELL 1319) was the BCR’s 4th single, after ‘Keep On Dancing’, ‘We Can Make Music’ and ‘Manana’, which was a hit in various European countries but not in the UK. ‘Saturday Night’ bombed as well, at which point the original vocalist, Nobby Clark, left the band.
The 5th single, ‘Remember’, with their new singer, Les McKeown, became their first hit in the UK since ‘Keep On Dancing’. Nobby had originally recorded vocals for this but McKeown’s version was what became the hit. On the strength of this success, an album was quickly put together, entitled ‘Rollin”. This included a version of ‘Saturday Night’, but with Nobby’s vocals replaced by Les NcKeown’s.
This is the version that gave them their first US hit and is the version in the video you linked to.
Here’s the original version with Nobby Clark doing the singing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUyNxbRy88A
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Hi Croompenstein.
Here’s one for you…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WUeOEkl270
Typin’ about the 60s…
A trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3JjyvQzSJI
And if you want to watch the whole piktchur…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PCUw4r2hqI
Brian Doonthetoon
I was actually going to post this earlier tonight. It’s a funny old world. ๐
Thee Headcoatees – Ca plane pour moi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vVSUmNB1Os
@BDTT –
In my defence, I was referring to BCR being ‘the original and best’ because they were, to my generation, the first Scottish ‘boy band’, but they appealed to the lads as well as the lassies.
In Primary 6, or thereabouts, our school trip was to Saltcoats, and BCR were all the rage. Mind you, ABBA were Number One at the time, with Waterloo, and while we were on the bus the radio (must’ve been Radio Clyde) played a wee dedication for us – it had been sent in by one of the girls and she hadn’t told any of us, just the teacher, who then told the driver. That went down a storm, and we were all very happy. Then, as we reached that point on the journey (perhaps just before entering or leaving Dalry?) where the first glimpse of the sea can be caught, one of the guys got so excited that he pished himself and started crying. He wasn’t the only one of our class who had only ever seen ‘the sea’ on the telly.
When we got to Saltcoats, we were left to do whatever we wanted, so long as we were back at the bus for two o’clock or whatever. We all went to the amusement arcades because, inevitably, it was cold and pishing rain, and the teachers went to the pub.
Happy days!
Ian Brotherhood
Sorry Ian, I missed your comment. โDaddy dancingโ. I don’t think I’ve ever seen my dad shake it with such abandon. ๐
@ CameronB Brodie (1.40am).
I just came on to post that very tune.
It’s been running through my head since hearing it on Radio 2 yesterday afternoon. I used to have it on the old 45 single.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agL9ftHYrRQ
I much prefer your video though.
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@CamB –
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It’s weird to think that, 20 years from now, whatever the young dudes are doing in the clubs right now will be considered ‘daddy dancing’. It’s inevitable.
Tragic, but strangely heartening…or, if you prefer, heartening, but strangely tragic, or, if you prefer, strange, but hearteningly tragic.
Throw ‘inevitable’ into the mix and it gets truly messy…do another version which includes ‘messy’ and it becomes a plausible Phd outline.
Never mind – here’s a song which may tempt Paula Rose back out from under the covers:
Pet Shop Boys & Dusty Springfield, ‘What Have I Done To Deserve This?’ –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn9E5i7l-Eg
I was reading Grouse Beater’s blog, and who is commenting but Yoda! (Or yodainuk as his name shows on Gravatar if you click on the pic.) He is using a pic of Stuart Campbell as his avatar icon. Pic’s now showing up on here as well.
And there’s more! He is also commenting there as Toad, using the same pic of Stu Campbell.
And of course here he is commenting as Truthy, with pic of Campbell, as well as Today, and as plain old Yoda.
Not sure if split personality, borderline psychotic, or just a bawbag.
Hey Truthy Yoda Toad Today, you won the referendum, get over it.
Hey Today Yoda Truthy Toad, you got hammered in the general election, deal with it.
PS Just WTF is your game, you waste of space?
Last week on CNN, the Fareed Zakaria GPS show was talking about “Britain stepping away from the world stage”, with captions like “The sun is setting on Britain’s status as a world power”. Here’s the link:
http://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/05/22/exp-gps-0524-take.cnn
Some good stuff in its 4 minutes, even if Mr Z confuses England with UK, and thinks UK losing power is a bad thing , mostly because we won’t be able to help the US so much in policing the world.
It got better tonight when the UK ambassador to the USA, Sir Peter Westmacott, was the programme’s guest, responding by bigging up the UK. The bit that REALLY got my attention was when our man in Washington DC was asked what the UK had done or was doing to bring peace to the Middle East. I’m paraphrasing because the whole interview isn’t on the CNN site yet, but basically the ambassador said:
“We’re bringing peace to Middle East by providing precision targeting to those doing the aerial bombing.”
Not his exact words, by certainly what he meant, if I heard him correctly. So we can give the ‘Muricans the tech to kill more ‘real’ targets and fewer civilians.
“We come in peace, set phasers to kill” just about sums it up.
There is a short 1m40s video of this available, but it doesn’t contain this part. I hope more gets posted later.
http://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/05/29/exp-gps-0531-westmacott-us-uk-relations.cnn
Shocking stuff.
PS Fareed Zakaria asked the ambassador You don’t have a central role in Europe. what are you then, a kind of small island off the coast of Europe, with no special relationship to anyone?” LOL
http://www.facebook.com/fareedzakaria/posts/10152726969246330
“Watch the full interview this Sunday at 10 a.m. and 1 p.m. ET on CNN”
Note, the full interview is longer than the 1m40s clip that is available now.
@Ian Brotherhood
“I know someone who knew Ian Dury. Seriously. And whatโs more, you know that person too! (but I ainโt telling, so please donโt askโฆ)”
Well I used to know someone who knew KT Tunstall… Wish I’d gotten her number off them!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsCi5cdm2tw
Hi Stoker and CameronB.
The Plastic Bertrand single story is ‘interesting’.
In 1978, in my daily trawl of new singles in Chalmers & Joy, I found “Jet Boy, Jet Girl” by Elton Motello on the Lightning label. I bought it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CQ7Qcv0X-I
A few months later, I found Plastic Bertrand’s version. Now it gets interesting… This is from the Elton Motello Wikipedia page:-
Elton Motello is both the moniker of Alan Ward, the lead singer and songwriter, and the name of the band itself. Alan Ward was formerly a member of the glam punk band Bastard along with Damned guitarist Brian James, Dez Lover and Nobby Goff.
Motello then recruited a new set of musicians including Mike Butcher (aka “Jet Staxx” who had played on Jet Boy,Jet Girl), Willie Change (bass), and Nobby Goff (drums), to record debut album Victim of Time, which also featured guest appearances from former Pretty Things and Pink Fairies drummer John “Twink” Alder, Tony Boast, and Peter Goff (guitar).
and
Alan Ward had toured Belgium with Bastard, and through his connections there Motello debuted with the “Jet Boy, Jet Girl” single in 1977 on the Belgian Pinball label, initially backed by session musicians. These session musicians – Mike Butcher (guitar), John Valcke (bass) and Bob Dartsch (drums) – had recorded the backing track also used on the hit single of Plastic Bertrand’s “Ca plane pour moi”.
The EXACT SAME backing track was used for both the English and French versions of the song, with two different vocal tracks. From discogs.com, the two different versions were released almost simultaneously in Europe in 1977, then in the UK in 1978. As I typed above, the Motello version was the first I came across.
But it gets weirder. “Plastic Bertrand” was actually Roger Jouret, who was Elton Motello’s drummer, under the name ‘Nobby Goff’!
http://www.punk77.co.uk/groups/eltonmotello.htm
And the last controversy? The above web site says that after a court case in 2006, Jouret was confirmed as the singer on “Ca Plan Pour Moi”. However the discogs.com ‘Plastic Bertrand’ page has,
…although rumours abound that he allegedly didn’t perform vocals on this track. As he was unable to make it on time to the recording studio, vocals duties were allegedly taken over by producer Lou Deprijck. 33 years later, in july 2010, Plastic Betrand admitted it was in fact Lou Deprijck that was heard on the hit single.
http://www.discogs.com/artist/67618-Plastic-Bertrand
Really lastly, there were at least TWO different English versions, both on Lightning, with slightly different vocal tracks.
So, you takes your money…
Hi IanB
The Rollers, in their early days, were a fine jobbing combo. I saw them a number of times at the JM Ballroom in Dundee and they were always enjoyable.
They seemed to keep changing personnel though. The line-up I recall as my favourite had Archie Marr on organ. I believe that was the group who recorded “Keep On Dancing”. Archie Marr was in the band from March 1971 until late Spring 1972 and played on their first two singles, “Keep on Dancing” and “We Can Make Music”, before leaving the band.
BTW: Short-term members from the early period included bassist David Paton (from 1969โ70) and keyboardist Billy Lyall (1969โ71), who went on to be founding members of another successful Edinburgh band, Pilot.
More first hand accounts here:-
http://retrodundee.blogspot.co.uk/2008/07/bay-city-rollers-dundee-1970.html
PS. I’m “Brian Wilson”.
No, I’m Brian Wilson!
#SpartacusFlashback
But seriously, you’re saying the French-language vocalist was a prijck…
bit harsh, surely.
LOL David!
8=)
Anyone got an answer to this?
Why is it, when I click to ‘submit comment’, this page reloads but goes back to the previous page, meaning I have to click Firefox’s ‘Backwards’ button to come back to this page, to see my post successfully posted?
@ David
I also queried whether Yoda has multiple identities as he is using the same avatar on the overnight thread Playing Tricks on Memory as Qwerty.
@Lollysmum
Yes saw that too, I expect that he/she had lots of “must try harder” on their report cards as schoolchildren ๐
@ Lollysmum, blimey. yes! Yet another identity for Yoda /Truthy / Toad /Today /Qwerty. Strange behaviour. Anyway he/she/it was well answered by Fiona & others on that thread.
Yoda* has got a real fixation on nashunalism, but is never able to write a good argument against it, so keeping banging on & on really doesn’t help him** at all.
*Yoda, or whatever today’s name is.
**Him or her, although in the fruitloop stakes men normally outnumber women.
Stoker
Great minds…? ๐
In case folk are beginning to think I’m a one dimensional surf fetishist.
Korla Pandit – Miserlou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9ytSC8rz84
Martin Denny – Miserlou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlAs33h8i3I
Frances Faye – Miserlou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQtiVK-RcLg
Or if you’d prefer something a bit more kosher. ๐
Meshugga Beach Party – Hava Nagila / Miserlou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylKmC4EiFWE
Let’s go out tonight babes…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osP05cpJKNM
@Brian Doonthetoon
For reasons unknown, when you try to post a comment, the server seems to load an older version of the page.
It’s either a glitch of some sort, or else the Wings server is also controlling a time machine… Not sure which!
Oh, before I forget, there was another example of a clue which had a perfect fit answer which blocked others on Friday.
11 Ac, I had NOVICE. Luckily the 2 other down clues that didn’t fit were fairly obvious, so corrected it eventually.
Here’s something a wee bit different.
2 Unlimited, ‘No Limits, Tribal Dance, Let The Beat Control Your Body’ (live, St. Petersburg, last year)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK1klRBuEEk
Here’s a bit of an oddity, with dodgy audio, especially at the start.
Talking Heads, ‘Pablo Picasso’ (live, 1976!) –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_CCbENmNaI
Ian Brotherhood
Thanks for that Ian. I’d only heard the version by the Modern Lovers, released as the B-side of “Road Runner” in 1977.
Modern Lovers – Pablo Picasso
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc2iLAubras&list=RDKc2iLAubras#t=25
I’ll finish off this weekend of stuff from the mid 70s that I found appealing but the British record buying public disagreed with my taste, with these.
The first single, on Power Exchange Records and Tapes, which I bought by Australian band ‘The Saints’ in 1977, was this one…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpMwMDqOprc
They followed this up with a double 7″ single in a gatefold sleeve on Harvest, called “One Two Three Four”. Here are two of the tracks from it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42KbQZ4gGAA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbZSi6EO_DI
Enjoy, punks!
While we’re posting music, was talking with someone earlier and this song came up in the conversation.
Just thought I’d leave it here ๐
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaq65B1VI4A
Hi CameronB.
My Roadrunner single had two different versions on the A and B sides. Just checked at discogs.com. The version I had was on Beserkley and featured ‘Roadrunner Once’ and ‘Roadrunner Twice’.
According to discogs.com, your single was a Japanese 7″ promo!
http://www.discogs.com/Jonathan-Richman-Modern-Lovers-Roadrunner/release/476145
@BDTT –
๐
That ‘Saints’ one is very good indeed. Have to say though, I was fearful for the singer’s safety at times, and it’s one of the reasons that any meaningful ‘punk’-type movement will never again be possible.
It’s bad enough that he was smoking and singing at the same time (well, not simultaneously, but you know what I mean) but he and his comrades were clearly filming the video in a derelict property. (This is something which the Bee Gees encouraged – irresponsibly in my view – via their ‘Stayin’ Alive’ video.) At any time, the lad could’ve stepped on an exposed wire, plunged through woodworm-infested timber flooring, or had weakened roofing fall atop him due to the vibrations caused by his awkward dancing. I very much doubt that he was aware of these dangers as, being Australian, and a ‘punk’, he was probably hallucinating after licking cane-toads.
Such risks are not acceptable these days. In that respect, at least, the video is instructive, and should be preserved.
Ooo – how to sum up such a musical extravaganza!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hcZ4s9cvpw
Serious hat on for a minute. This is why I think Mr. Bateman needs to up his game.
In a statement, HSBC acknowledged that โin the past, we have sometimes failed to meet the standards that regulators and customers expect.โ Vowing to improve their oversight and compliance with the law, they committed to fixing what is wrong, taking the opportunity to learn from previous mistakes.
HSBC actively circumvented rules designed to โblock transactions involving terrorists, drug lords, and rogue regimes.โ In one case, โtwo HSBC affiliates sent nearly 25,000 transactions involving $19.4 billion through their HBUS [HSBCโs U.S. affiliate] accounts over seven years without disclosing the transactionsโ links to Iran.โ
http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2012/07/16/hsbc-helped-terrorists-iran-mexican-drug-cartels-launder-money-senate-report-says/
As investigative journalist Matt Taibbi wrote in Rolling Stone, the $1.9 billion in fines leveled at HSBC by the US Justice Department was for โthe largest drug-and-terrorism money-laundering case ever.โ The settlement was a mere slap on the wrist, equivalent to โabout five weeksโ profit,โ that allowed the bank to completely evade prosecutions.
…..Much of HSBCโs misdemeanours were documented in an extensive 2012 report by the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations. Amongst its damning findings was HSBCโs longstanding relationship with Saudi Arabiaโs al-Rajhi bank, described by the CIA in 2003 as a โconduit for extremist finance.โ US intelligence assessed that al-Rajhi founder Sulaiman bin Abdul Aziz was a member of Osama bin Ladenโs โGolden Chainโ financiers of al-Qaeda, and had in that capacity pushed al-Rahji bank to find ways to avoid subjecting the bankโs charitable donations to official scrutiny.
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/death-drugs-and-hsbc-355ed9ef5316
Senate investigators, citing Green Quest and Lloydโs case files, noted that โMr. Hassabella was a former secretary of al Taqwa Bank and a shareholder of SAAR Foundation Inc. Mr. Saleh was a former director and treasurer of the Bahamas branch of al Taqwa Bank, and president of the Piedmont Trading Corporation which was part of the SAAR network. The U.S. Treasury Department has stated: โThe Al Taqwa group has long acted as financial advisers to al Qaeda, with offices in Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Italy and the Caribbean.โ Regarding Akida Bank, the lawsuit complaint alleged that Sulaiman bin Abdul Aziz Al Rajhi was โon the board of directors of Akida Bank in the Bahamasโ and that โAkida Bank was run by Youssef Nada, a noted terrorist financierโ.โ
The report went on to state that โHSBC was fully aware of the suspicions that Al Rajhi Bank and its owners were associated with terrorist financing, describing many of the alleged links in the Al Rajhi Bank client profile.โ
…..While there is no evidence that HSBC, or for that matter the Al Rajhi Bank, had prior knowledge of the 2001 atrocity, the gross indifference exhibited by these institutions through their violation of โknow your clientโ (KYC) rules governing financial transactions reveal a callous disdain for elemental norms as they raced to inflate their balance sheets come hell or high water.
http://dissidentvoice.org/2012/07/black-dossier-hsbc-and-terrorist-finance/
Better Together?
Brian Doonthetoon
Thanks for posting “Stranded”, not heard that for years. I think the compilation I had it on, followed with that gobshite Geldof sneering “Looking after number one”. ๐
Cameron honey – could you put the silly hat back on? It is late xx
Hope this fits Paula. ๐
Race Marbles – Like a dribbling fram
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFBnSgQhgPM
@CameronB Brodie
The most successful cover up by the UMSM, at least from a Scottish indy perspective, was that Barclays were excused from the Gunfight at the UK Corral by Butch and Sundance, despite the fact that Barclays got a bigger bail out from the Fed, the BoE and the Middle East than RBS and BoS did combined. Despite Barclays being smaller than RBS at the time.
Barclays were not nationalised to any extent and the bail outs did not become common knowledge until much later.
Darling – I love you!
I saw this song and thought of the 1%:
From 1979, The Members – ‘Offshore Banking Business’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXKak8AzBpg
@Paula Rose
You want silly? I got silly! ๐
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXJ5oaU940U
Hi IanB.
Last night, you mentioned the “2 Unlimited, โNo Limits,” mix.
When the single below came out, I used to mix back and forward between “No Limits” and the one below, on the old double decks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mST4PIWV7Y
Darn it!
I got a call for a parcel at reception and was hoping that the delux wee blue book had arrived at last. But it was just a new blade for the lawnmower.
So now I have to cut the grass as well ๐
@Kelpie
Don’t worry. The constant anticipation will only make it more satisfying when it finally does arrive!
Kind of like constantly promising yourself chocolate ice cream at the end of the week and finally getting there… Such bliss! ๐
Disclaimer to my previous post:
I do not, under any circumstances, recommend eating the deluxe Wee Blue Book.
Just in case anyone from the media is reading this and starts circulating stories like: “Evil Cybernat encourages friends to eat paper! Shocking stories of medical emergencies due to internal paper-cuts on Page 2!”
Hi folks
just to let you know I’m doing a meetup Tuesday 2nd and Thursday 4th at Counting House if you want to know how to livestream. Just bring your mobile and/or tablet along. I have setup two events for those dates on Scottish Independence Live Events pages so check them out and hit “Join” if you want come along so I got an idea about numbers, or just turn up.
ALSO… we got a new Android app developed which allows you to see all our upcoming livestreams, search old ones and see out latest blogs. To get app just search for “IndyLive” in the Google Play Store, or https://play.google.com/store/search?q=scot.jott.indylive
hi Thistle.
You and Del Boy gonna be at the Helensburgh WOS get-together on 25th/26th July?
Somebody mentioned, a day or three ago, that it could be illuminating, culturally, where you ended up, when you were following links.
I had that today – discovered a band I had never heard of.
BTW: I haven’t included the Wikipedia links in this post, in case it leads to WordPress sticking the post into moderation because of the number of links.
I’ve described the Wikipedia pages by the title that will find them in Wikipedia’s search box, in case you want to read the rest of the stuff on the pages.
To explain…
A few weeks ago, somebody, somewhere, in cyberworld, posted a link to a tune called “Marche des soldats de Robert Bruce”. I had used Downloadhelper to save it at work but when I went to transfer the video file to my flash drive to take home on Friday, I found that the file size was zero Kb.
Tried again, with the same result.
So I explored Firefox’s add-ons for another YouTube downloader and found “Download YouTube Videos as MP4”, which adds a button to the YouTube video pages, so you can download videos. The download button is displayed below the video player and it looks like any other YouTube button. The extension doesn’t include ads and only links to YouTube’s download URLs.
Onnyhoo, downloaded it to my work iMac on Friday and had a listen. I must say it’s a stirring (and well known) tune. I found this comment on the “Cultural depictions of Robert the Bruce” Wikipedia page, under “Music”.
14th century: A military song intitled [sic] “La marche des soldats de Robert Bruce” (march of the soldiers of Robert Bruce) is still played in France nowadays, for instance during the Bastille Day military parade.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WulAWn_N_O0
Of course, I recognised the tune as “Scots Wha Hae”, which took me to THAT Wikipedia page, where I found,
The lyrics were written by Robert Burns in 1793, in the form of a speech given by Robert the Bruce before the Battle of Bannockburn in 1314, where Scotland maintained its sovereignty from the Kingdom of England.
Although the lyrics are by Burns, he wrote them to the traditional Scottish tune ‘Hey Tuttie Tatie’ which, according to tradition, was played by Bruce’s army at the Battle of Bannockburn, and by the Franco-Scots army at the Siege of Orleans.
From the “Siege Of Orleans” Wikipedia page:-
The Siege of Orlรฉans (1428โ1429) marked a turning point in the Hundred Years’ War between France and England. This was Joan of Arc’s first major military victory and the first major French success to follow the crushing defeat at Agincourt in 1415.
See “The Scots arrive in France” on the “St. Joan of Arc And The Scots Connection” page at:
http://www.maidofheaven.com/joanofarc_scots_guards.asp
Onnyhoo, I had seen the other reference under “Music” on the “Cultural depictions of Robert the Bruce” page –
1996: The German power metal band Grave Digger included a song called “The Bruce” on their album Tunes of War, a concept album about the Scottish struggles for independence from England.
Now THAT led me to Google and, subsequently, YouTube.
Here’s the track list for Grave Digger’s “Tunes Of War” album.
01. The Brave
02. Scotland United
03. The Dark Of The Sun
04. William Wallace (Braveheart)
05. The Bruce (The Lion King)
06. The Battle Of Flodden
07. The Ballad Of Mary (Queen Of Scots)
08. The Truth
09. Cry For Freedom (James The VI)
10. Killing Time
11. Rebellion (The Clans Are Marching)
12. Culloden Muir
13. The Fall Of Brave
I then went to YouTube, without much hope because, as I typed, I’d never heard of the band – but there’s loads of stuff there! Obviously a major band in the power metal genre. On the go since the early 80s, they’re still performing live and so on.
I haven’t explored the other tracks on the album, only “The Bruce” but the size of the audience (live at Wacken) and their participation, is quite impressive.
BTW: right at the end of the clip, the vocalist isn’t swearing; he’s saying “Wacken”. Hint, on the YouTube page, look for the fourth icon from the right, under the video. If you click on it, it will switch off the subtitles, if they’re visible. (They’re not much good unless you can read “Foreign”.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhUk5zd3PXc
Quite a satisfying bit of research…
Who’s been a wee bit naughty?
https://twitter.com/johnmcternan/status/605479477804711936
I must be dense, Paula Rose.
I get no understanding of what’s going on at that link.
8=(
Bdtt dearie – it was a bit of twitterie, that’s just grown legs again.
@PaulaRose
I’ve got some spare heels should you ever need some emergency kit losing one in a crack anytime.
we’ll let Menchschie have the cameos ๐
Darling! You are so sweet!
Jeez Paula Rose.
How do fit all your Winging, Facebooking and Twittering into a human day?
I had a look at Rev’s twitter feed and got back to 11 hours ago and still couldn’t work out what was going on. At least FB gives you the oldest posts first.
Please explain, in words of seven syllables or less, what’s actually been going on, for those of us who are not so digitally adept as some…
Well dear you’re forgetting the gardening – I don’t get paid for my cybernattery – yet.
Anyway silly little boy who writes a blog that aggressively attacks wings and Scotland’s desire for a future found that twitter was flagging up links to his site as leading people to a dodgy site.
He intimated that nasty nats and the Rev with his legions of devil spawn were responsible.
Cue my explanation and subsequent re-tweetingie thingie from all sorts of idiots who took it as an admittance of guilt.
Catching my heel in a blog – really! I’m not that dippy!
I still get that 25min delay, so apols if I don’t get back to people:
But did we just have the edifying sight of Menchschie going off on one again about the SNP getting some guy’s blog blocked, and repeating the bullying slur?
I’m honestly having trouble keeping up with her apologies. No doubt new one forthcoming.
niteall
x
ps @ PaulaRose – she gets the cameos with the egg on their faces.
x
Hi Paula Rose.
You typed (with, probably two fingers),
Catching my heel in a blog โ really! Iโm not that dippy!
Yes, but you do pseudo dippy with such รฉlan.
Onnyhoo, you are sending my megapost of a couple of hours ago upstairs to the lost continent of this page.
I feel I will have to paste it on a few FB pages to reap maximum satisfaction from my research efforts.
Hi Swami Backverandah.
Typing about getting back to people.
It’s in my memorybockers that Natasha offered you lift to one of the WOS get-togethers (can’t remember which one; may have been Invergowrie in February or Glasgow on 1st May) and I don’t remember you ever replying.
I may be wrong; if so, I’ll apologise in advance but, jiss sayin’ like, it’s time you showed your pรผร at a WOS get-together, like Helensburgh on 25th July, for example.
What type you, mon ami?
8=)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtzRRwfOXus&feature=player_detailpage
@BDtt 12.34am
Actually it was an offer of a lift to see Nicola at the Hydro, but I expect Swami missed it. It gets more and more difficult to keep up with all the posts.
Paula Rose, I don’t understand twitter, although I do click on the link to the Rev’s twitter page and try to make some sense of the tweets. I tend to rely on my 17 year old to translate for me.
I won’t be commenting on main threads from now on, but I’ll drop in here from time to time. Won’t be able to make Helensburgh, but hope to see you all at another event.
@ Natasha – why not honey? Please don’t stop, I’m concerned a certain seaside confectionary has something to do with this.
Just popped back in to see what was posted after I went to bed, and see a response from BrianDoonthetoon.
Hiya. And just to say thanks for the response and, I missed the offer from Natasha,and I see Natasha also has popped in.
Thank you for the previous offer to Hydro. I missed your offer, but couldn’t have made it anyway. I don’t read all the Wings articles, or anywhere near all the posts, so often miss stuff. (I only came over here to see if Paula Rose had posted after the twitter unmenschionable debacle).
I am away a lot, often without decent internet or hardware, so once again thank you for any offers I might have missed, or any posts I missed responding to.
re Helensburgh on 25 July, I don’t think I’ll be around then, but will keep it in mind for a possible late entry, if that’s ok ๐
thanks to all
off now
x
@Swami Backverandah
Pity, there are a few Wingers I still haven’t met yet, and I’m sure you’re one of them!
(At least I’m fairly certain we haven’t met yet. My memory isn’t so good when forced to operate in the physical non-dream world!)
@Briandoonthetoon
Fascinatin’ stuff you find on here. I used to play for a band called The Gravediggers many moons ago, probably well before you were around! (We did Dundee a few times)
Onyhoo, one of these nights I’ll make it to a wings gathering (I still feel guilty about not making Invergowrie!)
The Irish band?
No Paula, fae Fife.
@AndyC
Wiz Fae Fife no the singer in the Rezillos?
No that was Faye Fife!
On the subject of Fay Five she was not the kind of person to get on the wrong side of when it came to collecting the money after playing a gig, that girl knows some expletives and would make a great debt collector
You can blame the Rev. for getting me thinking of girl groups doing Ramones covers. I’m just a mindless zombie, after all. ๐
Thee Headcoatees – Swallow My Pride
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx__x-zo-z8
@Paula Rose 9.17am
You’re not wrong there, but I’m also a bit fed up with everything. Taking some time to relax and get my head straight.
xxx
@Brian Doonthetoon
Hi Brian
will try and get over for sure ๐
Natasha honey – you’ve got a very upright head, now you just pop in here and have a stroke.
@Paula Rose
๐
Sorry sweetie that should have been ‘pop up’ not ‘pop in’!
Take a wee break if need be Natasha, it can all get a bit hectic and demoralising as we know.
Recharge the batteries and we we’ll see you back on the main thread soon enough.
Here’s an earlier incarnation of Thee Headcoatees.
Love conquers all, or should do.
The Milkshakes featuring The Milk-Boilers – Soldiers Of Love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e5CMlNMtrA
Here’s a wee video you are very unlikely to see in your lifetime unless you watch it now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32ZMSNAZcsA
@Natasha
“I wonโt be commenting on main threads from now on, but Iโll drop in here from time to time.”
You’re not alone there…
I’ve never seen them playing together before. My ignorance of course.
Is it about to self-destruct or would I have?
Its getting a bit crowded in here – excuse me while I go and do a knock-through, Thepnr dear I’ll need that sledgehammer.
@Thepnr –
That was a wee tonic. ๐
P.S. Natasha, whatever it is that’s bugging ye pal, please come back soon – you are missed.
Paula Rose,
You’ve found a nut?
Sorry cearc love didn’t see you over there – I’ve got Natasha on my lap having a nice stroke and once she’s settled I’ll put her in her basket and then start work on the extension – we need more room in here, don’t you agree? Did you bring your hard hat I could do with a hand.
Haha cearc
You’ll be alright, I just meant it was unlikely to ever be offered for your viewing again (at least on here).
Sticking with the Bob Dylan theme, here’s a song that the Labour and Liberal parties aught to listen to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znm70hhw1HY
Season finale of Outlander on RTE2 tonight features heroine organising rescue of hero by his clansmen from (I think) Sterling Castle held by regiments of union-jack waving redcoat regiments after his torture and sodomy by English lord.
Possibly why it was not seen in Scotland prior to referendum
Will a felt hat do?
@cearc
Never forget, I’m holding your kangaroos bawbag as ransom. Felt hat would be no substitute, sorry.
@Cadogan Enright –
‘Possibly’?!
Aye…
Blimey. I was looking forward to getting the box-set. Don’t know if I’ll bother now.
๐
Thepnr,
You thimk that I would forget something like that!
Long pretty graphic debates in Gaelic over how to handle mental torment over horrific treatment (with no sub-titles) with retainer. Thuig mรฉ cad a bhรญ siad a rรก.
Some tedious scenes of self-pity and suicidal thoughts (would not have been a good Yes voter) and introspective emotional episodes with the missus that would appeal to my wife – a confirmed Venusian – but not me.
Unwatchable scenes for a person with old-fashioned tastes who rarely watches TV . . . so I cannot tell you how it ends
A sad day, for all sorts of reasons, but it’s over now, so we go on:
Joy Division, ‘Atmosphere’ –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-EqjZ-O7ug
Darlings – I do my best to keep order in this place – but really you do try my patience.
@Cadogan Enright –
Cheers! Now I know I definitely won’t watch it!
๐
No requests – but I can’t help it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTJteb5g_EE
Must admit its a few years since I did that “stand in” but I still rather like it.
@ Derek Bateman
Why do you insist on arguing that the BBC is not an immensely corrupt and criminal enterprise? Your stance simply undermines your credibility.
Then UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw sent a secret letter to Prime Minister Tony Blair in April 2002 warning Blair that the case for military action against Iraq was of “dubious legality.” The letter goes on to state that โregime change per se is no justification for military actionโ and that โthe weight of legal advice here is that a fresh [UN] mandate may well be required.โ Such a new UN mandate was never given. The letter also expresses doubts regarding the outcome of military action.[52]
In March 2003, Elizabeth Wilmshurst, then deputy legal adviser to the British Foreign Office, resigned in protest of Britain’s decision to invade without Security Council authorization. Wilmshurst also insinuated that the English Attorney General Lord Goldsmith also believed the war was illegal, but changed his opinion several weeks before the invasion.[53][54]
In 2010, the deputy prime minister Nick Clegg, during prime minister’s questions in Parliament, asserted that the Iraq war was illegal. Statements issued later suggested that this was a personal view and not a formal view of the coalition government.[55]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Principles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_against_peace
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_aggression
White phosphorus munitions did not kill the most civilians in Gaza โ many more died from missiles, bombs, heavy artillery, tank shells, and small arms fire โ but their use in densely populated neighborhoods, including downtown Gaza City, violated international humanitarian law (the laws of war), which requires taking all feasible precautions to avoid civilian harm and prohibits indiscriminate attacks. [279]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_crimes#2008-2009_Gaza_War
SOON AFTER Malaysian Airlines MH17 crashed near Donetsk, Ukraine on July 18, killing 298 people, the BBC website quickly, and rightly, set up a ‘LIVE’ feed with rolling reports and commentary on the disaster. This was clearly an important and dramatic event involving horrific loss of life with serious political implications. The public would, of course, be searching for the latest news.
However, since July 8, ten days prior to the crash, Israeli armed forces had been bombarding the trapped civilian population of Gaza with airstrikes, drone strikes and naval shelling. As the massive Israeli assault ramped up on July 9, the World section of the BBC News website had this as its headline:
‘Israel under renewed Hamas attack’
http://stopwar.org.uk/news/how-bbc-bias-justifies-war-crimes-in-gaza-by-conforming-to-israeli-state-propaganda
While the hate speech promoted by these type of media can be prosecuted differently under the national laws of several countries, because of its proven ability to contribute to and incite genocide the use of hate media in order to foment the cleansing of a particular national, ethnical , racial or religious group in whole or in part can be prosecuted under international law for incitement to genocide. Incitement to Genocide was declared a crime against humanity under the Nuremberg Trials.[2] Nevertheless under the laws of Nuremberg only hate media propaganda which calls for direct extermination is considered a crime against humanity.[3] After the crimes committed in former Yugoslavia and Rwanda this definition was modified and a new definition was provided for the Rwandan tribunals. According to this definition hate media propaganda considered to be a crime against humanity must be involved in the direct and indirect incitement of genocide which “must be defined as directly provoking the perpetrator(s) to commit genocide, whether through speeches shouting or threats uttered in public spaces or at public gatherings or through the sale or dissemination of… written material or printed matter… or through the public display of placards or posters, or through an other means of audiovisual communication”.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_Media
My wife thinks that USB is a back up plan just in case USA fails.
True Story.
Sepp Blatter is going to use all of his spare time to concentrate on improving his tennis game.
Rumour has it that his forehand is nothing special but his back-handers are fucking amazing.
True Story.
Lol…
I’m just waiting on Sepp Blatter doing a Nigel Farage and telling us he can’t resign because he is admired by his colleagues so they won’t allow it.
True Story.
@ Derek Bateman
I forgot these earlier.
http://www.stopwar.org.uk/news/john-pilger-us-fascism-and-a-new-holocaust-beckons-if-we-remain-silent
http://www.stopwar.org.uk/news/bbc-admits-breaching-its-own-rules-by-broadcasting-pro-israel-propaganda
http://www.stopwar.org.uk/news/how-the-bbc-gives-israel-free-rein-to-tell-breathtaking-lies-about-gaza
http://www.stopwar.org.uk/news/the-bbc-and-the-arms-trade-the-scandle-that-no-one-is-talking-about
Still think BBC bias is down to mis-management, Mr. Batemen?
@ Derek Batemen
Have you seen this, Mr. Batemen?
The Israel Projectโs 2009 GLOBAL LANGUAGE DICTIONARY
FROM THE ISRAEL PROJECT
On behalf of our board and team, we offer this guide to visionary leaders who are on the front lines of fighting the media war for Israel. We want you to succeed in winning the hearts and minds of the public. We know that when you achieve your mission that you are helping both Israel and our global Jewish family. Thus, we offer these words with our sincerest wishes for your every success. May your words help bring peace and security to Israel and the Jewish people!
Sincerely,
Jennifer Laszlo Mizrahi
Founder & President
http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Fmedia%2F70%2Ftip_report.pdf&date=2009-08-06
Otis Redding – These Arms Of Mine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVbTE4wCbpw
If you’ve ever lost sleep wondering what the Harrogate Giant Vegetable Competition looks like, wonder no more – regain those lost hours!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9xItodFJUs
Ian,
Wow! Plenty there to keep the stewpot going all winter.
@cearc –
Indeed. It’s not just the onions that are eye-watering. ๐
Harrogate rang a bell – it hosts party political conferences, right?
Well, googling (as ye do), I came across this wee curio – just a few months, nay weeks ago, we were all poring over the latest ‘Ashcroft’ data, and doing so in good faith, given that his – obviously! – missionary philanthropic work has transcended mere ‘party’ affiliations and all such associated vulgarity.
Goodness gracious me, strike a light and shiver me timbers, these ‘establishment’ buddies must hate ‘t’internet’ with blood-curdling fervour. As well they should:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/697897.stm
P.S. to my last post.
Just noticed that the date on the linked-to BBC piece is April 1st 2000.
Not sure if the whole thing is a piss-take or not.
And that says a lot, does it not?
๐
Hoots all.
P.S. Where’s the Paula Rose, where’s the Natsaha, the Oneironaut, McCabe, and where’s the fekking music?
Is a’body on holiday?
Ian Brotherhood
Perhaps a tad indiscreet with your query, Ian? ๐
“Ain’t Nobody Here But Us Chickens”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmgaTPz63Bw
Hi Ian B.
Time to do one post here tonight. You enquired as to the location of the music and, on the main page, you mentioned ‘Ramming Speed’.
So, conflating the two, here you are, from 1984 (another 12″ I have in my vinyl collection).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to9lWYCtHrc
OK, one more post, because I just remembered.
Paula Rose, you mentioned building an extension. Why risk breaking your impressive, saltire-painted, glittery nails, when we have an annexe?
http://wingsoverscotland.com/quarantine
@CamB, BDTT Thepnr et al,
Hey, no offence BTW, I wasn’t doing a faves list there…
๐
This place has no rules, and no-one rules it (apart from you-know-who) and that’s why it’s so good.
Worth also trying to remember the many who have been regulars in the past, but are no longer with us for whatever reason – I can think of a few off the top of my head, but don’t want to name them in case they feel pressurised to respond.
Just curious as to why folk drift away. Perhaps, sometimes, they can’t help it. In any event, here’s hoping they ‘see’ what’s happening, and still support us.
Hoots all.
Hi Ian B.
I’ve had my steak pie and tatties, watched Corrie from 22nd May, and am now about to turn in.
But…
I found myself, kinda, sympathetic to your post but in the opposite direction, I think. I used to spend most of my computer time on various Facebook pages and, after I had updated myself there, I did a bit of web trawling. I found WOS, I think, late 2012 and bookmarked it. Along with WGD and so on.
Onnyhoo, I was ejected from the FB page that had been taking up a lot of my time so started exploring the wider web. Now I find that most of my computer time, both snatched opportunities during the working day, and in the evenings, is taken up with keeping up with WOS comments, Scot Goes Pop! stuff, and other pro-indy sites, to such an extent that FB has been relegated to a seat at the back of the bus.
FB is handy but is not the be all and end all, specially as you can, kinda, keep up to date with email notifications so you don’t need to log into FB unless you have something to type.
I’m content to hing oot here…
Or Helensburgh…
@ Ian Brotherhood 12:14am as long as Wings is going I will be here. It is part of my life now and always will be. And I thank Rev Stu for that. and all the other wingers too. A wee tune from before the referendum for you Ian. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6UabZV94is&feature=player_detailpage Aye till I die.
@Ian Brotherhood
“Just curious as to why folk drift away. Perhaps, sometimes, they canโt help it. In any event, hereโs hoping they โseeโ whatโs happening, and still support us.”
I’m still here.
Just sometimes don’t feel up to posting anything though.
I’m definitely with Natasha though.
Sometimes the main articles (however well-written they may be) make pretty depressing reading. (And that’s before you get to the comments!)
If anyone is looking for me, they’ll be far more likely to find me in here somewhere.
I hate crowdfunding, really hate it, takes up too much time and just nothing but stress. That said I don’t hate it as much as the main stream media.
Anyway enough of the rant. I’m doing another “How To Livestream” meetup tonight at 7PM, Counting House, Glasgow and have a couple of tables booked in one of the quiet wee rooms so come along even if it is just for a chat as I maybe the only one there, lol. Would be good to see some Wingers.
ps we have some interesting livestreams coming up especially a particular one on Sunday that is not yet been added – I’m waiting for the green light.
I’m here daily, be it work, rest or playeee.. I contributed to the Wings 2015 crowdfunder, anna don’t wanna miss an issue of my paper! It’s good to ‘get a decent read’ (every day of the week as well.) ๐
So many brilliant personal writers here.. via btl comments, links and commented links. Cheers to ye’s all.
Although always reading, I do indulge in posting breaks from time to time, then come back with new thought.. I imagine others do too, both known and new.
Hey Thistle, hope you’re all having a lively time at ‘the hoose’, is there anything happening outside on our Freedom Square tonight?
Go Scotland!
I don’t know why folks drift away… who me? I’ve been right here in the back row next to QQ and Tartan Tory ๐
I’ve not got enough hours in my day to keep up writing anything and like with main page threads I catch up too late to comment. (I just miss out the main page comments half the time).
After the referendum I decided to try getting back to sleeping at normal hours.You remember sleep? Sometimes I wonder if you night owls sleep at all ๐ With you all the way.
@ Ian Brotherhood
Me too, I am always here, reading every Wings post and comment. Just not been posting anything myself.
Will get my Wings on again soon though!
Love the site and our diverse, respectful community (on the whole, lol).
Here’s one for you-know-who by ‘The Singing Sideboards’, AKA…
Mungo Jerry, ‘Lady Rose’ –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MiCSPY0uG0
So its you lot up the back who leave your coffee cups lying about – should have known.
Ooo sorry Ian love, just realised what’s playing on the Dansette xx
Not even going to bother announcing what this is – it’s just great fun for those of a certain vintage…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9ASe8VUQy0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgMEPk6fvpg&feature=player_detailpage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt0V0_1MS0Q&feature=player_detailpage
@Ian Brotherhood
I don’t have a “Lady Rose”. But I do have a “Gypsy Rose” ๐
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q-m_CxQacM
Michael honey – pedallists have a tendency to swing both ways.
Oneironaut – I shall remember I’m dreaming tonight xx
Whereby Paula Rose wins first prize – but Cactus comes in an honourable third…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5pV2lKtw5E
Stop it Bdtt – you know how modest I am.
@Michael McCabe –
Hmm, that bike thing could be something for a future WOS get-together. We could all go to Bute and cycle around it, as nature intended. It would surely get a mention in The Buteman.
Hi folks, I’m still here too!
(Every day without fail, I wouldn’t be anywhere else).
Maybe we should all just start shouting hello when we come through the door, rather than hoping to bump into each other in the dark ๐
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p30NV97_MFQ&feature=player_detailpage
Sorry. Hello Everyone I Hope you are all keeping well. I am Counting the days until I meet some of you lovely people on the 25th of july. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VljhSCmL3UM&feature=player_detailpage
@Ian Brotherhood
The Great Wings Over Scotland Bike Race?
Consider me interested! ๐
Why stop at Bute? We could start the “Tour de Scotland!”
Go all over the place, from Shetland to the border! ๐
Hiya Oneironaut, how’s it going, anything new to report?
@ Michael – whippie!
@Gillian R –
‘…rather than hoping to bump into each other in the dark.’
๐
Someone will be along in a minute (if they haven’t been already!) to supply a subtle double-entendre…
Every time I refresh O/T it kicks me back to the previous page. It’s not much of a problem, but the final comment on the last page includes ‘I think Cactus will be summarily elected…’
I always glimpse it as ‘I think Cactus will be summarily executed.’
๐
In the dark?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=129kuDCQtHs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akNRIhkyojg&feature=player_detailpage
I thought I posted this along with another diatribe. Maybe not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuMlHdxiIZ8
Ian – that happens to me too, and I read that every time as well!
It must be the dark side of us creeping out – sorry Cactus honey ๐
@Oneironaut –
‘Why stop at Bute? We could start the โTour de Scotland!โ
Go all over the place, from Shetland to the border! ;)’
Huh? Naked?
As someone else said tonight, ‘gaun yersel!’.
Never been to helensburgh before. hardly ever leave the capital city. cant wait though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBhpiUFSYWI&feature=player_detailpage
Aye Michael, that song kinda sums up my view on the helensburgh trip too!
@ Gillian Ruglonian 2:14 am if you are going to helensburgh I look forward to meeting you and many other wingers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTrsB4t_Avs&feature=player_detailpage
@ Ian Brotherhood When I posted at 3:10 am I came straight back to this page. Bypassed cactus. Hopefully that is working for everybody else now. Anyway Somebody posted this song before and right now I think it is apt. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtBFFuWFlXA&feature=player_detailpage
Hello.
@Gillian_Ruglonian
“Hiya Oneironaut, howโs it going, anything new to report?”
Had some particularly good chips yesterday ๐
Oh, you mean anything fun and exciting? Nope! You’re asking the wrong person there ๐ hehe.
@Ian Brotherhood
“I always glimpse it as โI think Cactus will be summarily executed.โ”
Noooooooo! ๐ Those evil Unionists!
@ Michael McCabe
You really need a wee trip to the boonies then, Michael, or you might end up suffering “cabin fever”! ๐
@Oneironaut
Chips are exactly the level I was going for! (My big news? I had a wee haircut).
I watched Frost/Nixon last night (should still be on iPlayer) and although I’d seen it before, I was struck by the sense of integrity held by the two men (and of course Sam Rockwells character, he’s brilliant!). Regardless of the realities of their lives, they appeared to genuinely think that they were decent folk in pursuit of the greater good.
Now, compare with our generally woeful media and Bruce’s recent defence of Carmichael and you can see where I’m going with this… ๐ Anyways, I’d recommend it for anyone who hasn’t see it already.
A call to all wingers –
I’m taking a wee daytrip into the capital tomorrow, to avoid certain festivities in my home town, so I’m looking for suggestions on where to go and what to see!!
The Museum of Childhood on the High Street is one of my favourites.
Thanks Paula, I’d forgotten about that!
Hi all, have the new WBB’s – the ones with tinfoil hats (hehe), and the badges if one was in a position to provide enough readies for, been posted out yet?
This is for the bits and bobs of the “let-s-carry-on-for-a-bit” fundraiser.
ATB guys and gals,
Robert
So yeah, a Tory made a joke about selling Scots into slavery, blissfully unaware of just what a horrific thing it is to joke about:
https://wildernessofpeace.wordpress.com/2015/06/05/uppity-jocks-cant-you-take-a-joke/
Yet if Angus Robertson dared make a joke about Bannockburn he’d be hounded out of the chambers.
Thanks, Oneironaut! I can only hope England gets their act together sharpish.
@Ian Brotherhood et Gillian Ruglonian ~
Is that me up for execution, dang! I was planning on sticking around for inevitable indyref2. Worry ye not, I’m a master of escape, I’ll be fine see; they’re out ta get me, they won’t catch me.. ๐
So only 260ish comments to go till new o/t page.. when we arrive, you could always make the last 10 comments or so about happy/funny things.. 12490 ye know maybe frogs, dogs, rats or cats?
Then when if getting a jump-back page when posting here, we can all go aweeeee at the animals for sure hehe.
Here’s a double-play from a band, whose singer happens to be a close relative of the resident Miss Paula.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg8Mzqgq_js
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBwua-h6_VY
Hi Cactus.
Check out my post at 00.30 this morning.
If anyone’s interested, the Murray match is being livestreamed now, here:-
http://live.realstreamunited.com/players/free-live-video-streaming-djokovic-murray-court-philippe-chatrier-tennis-roland-garros-2015-78000.html
Hey hey Brian Doonthetoon ~
You should’ve seen the moves I pulled just to get the bronze. Paula deservedly took gold with her 4D performance, congrats honey x
Also the purry thang in second place was my kind of girl.. so much so, she liked me and we ended up sharing an intimate encounter backstage ๐
Not long till we Occupy Helensburgh fellow adventurers!
@Gillian_Ruglonian
Re your wee jaunt to Edinburgh. The National Museum is a good place to visit as is the National Gallery. Once when we visited we found that there was a music recital, which was free of charge, in the evening and went back for that later.
It was a bit odd, but, exceptionally relaxed, sitting on the floor in surrounded by paintings listening to traditional Scots music and folk still quietly moving through the gallery.
The High Street could keep you amused all day. St Giles Cathedral is interesting.
Paula’s suggestion of the Museum of Childhood is also a good one and at the other end of the Royal Mile near the castle there is the Camera Obscura, good when the weather is clear.
Hope the weather stays fine and you enjoy your day in one of my favourite cities.
Hi Gillian.
You could always take a wee daunder up Arthur’s Seat, and imagine that you are an extra in a Rebus story…
8=)
@Gillian_Ruglonian
Well if you fancy having a quiet day, you could always come over here to the windswept west coast.
I’ll show you all the interesting sights down here (should take up a few minutes at least!) ๐
@ Bdtt
Not the one that falls off the crags!!! :-0 Or was that another story?…
@ Gillian Ruglonian If you do make it to Edinburgh you could visit the Scottish Parliament. free to get in. opened from 10am till 5pm. According to the Parliaments website.
I saw a really drunk girl on the way home last night and went to check if she was okay.
She was fine. We got chatting and I thought she was really nice.
I said to her “You remind me of Cinderella.”
“Oh thanks. That’s lovely. Is it because I look like a princess?” She replied.
“No” I said “it’s because you’ve lost one of your shoes.”
True Story.
I was walking home from a night oot with my friend pished as a fart trying to flag doon a taxi and said to him “I wish we had one of those prizes from that old gameshow Bullseye”
“Yeah” he said “like a speedboat or something?”
“Nah” I replied “I’d settle for mi bus fare home.”
True Story.
Kids today don’t know how easy they’ve got it.
When I was young I had to walk 9 feet through a shag carpet just to turn the TV over.
True Story.
“Excuse me. Do you have somewhere I can try these on please?” I asked the shop assistant.
“Please take your Durex and leave sir!” She replied.
True Story.
Wee Jonny – you are lowering the tone dear.
Politics can be sooooo draining on those who are into it so my “True Story”s have been my way of gettin awa fay it.
Onnyhoo, how is it me and Bob Sinclair are the only Wingers who have dipped into Quarantine in the past three months or so?
Are the movers and shakers in ‘off-topic’ too good for Quarantine? Iye? Iye?
True story.
@Wee Jonny –
Disregard Miss Rose – she enjoys a wee Babycham of a Friday and it fair knocks her skew-whiff at times, especially when she’s been dieting.
Anyway, FWIW, I do appreciate some straight-from-the-hip gags. Did you see Nick Clegg reading one out on that show recently? It was very good (but you have to imagine saying it with a Nick Clegg voice, i.e. the same one he used when he said ‘I’m sorry’.)
The doctor said to me, ‘You really will have to stop masturbating.’
I said, ‘Why?’
He said, ‘Because I’m trying to examine you.’
Oi – I love our wee diddley wotsit boy- just keep it clean folks, the mess in here sometimes!
Ian – Tommy Cooper telt me that ane back in ’76 but I still pish misel evreetime I see/read it coz it is a classeec.
He also telt me this ane –
I just put ยฃ20 on a horse at 20-1. It came in at 1/2 past 3.
All True Story’s.
Brian Doonthetoon – Thepnr gave me a wee prezee (that he probably regrets) earlier and I’ve taken a couple o foatays of it but dinny ken how to post them on here. I’ll send them to yi once I’ve closed Wee Jonny’s Comedy Club for you ti work yir Magic to post them on here if that’s okay.
p.s. loved yir “True Story”????
I have to stop popping in here, fit to burst. With laughter.
Ian – last one I swear doon
I went to the doc’s on Tuesday, and as he was examining my lower regions he said “Now Wee Jonny, don’t be embarrassed by the erection.”
I said “But doc’, I don’t have an erection.”
“No not yours – mines.” He replied.
True Story.
I’m getting lost now – what’s an erection?
Nobodies perfect.
A wee tune for those that enjoy a refreshment or two. It’s called freedom of choice, until we’re telt different.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ria_KlVhT_s
@Wee Jonny –
Okay, here’s my last one too, for the O/O brethren en route to Glasgow’s ‘Orangegate’ tomorrow:
‘This is the news. A chemist’s shop on Duke Street has been completely ransacked. Everything was removed apart from some combs and condoms. Police say they are looking for a baldy Catholic.’
Paula, don’t worry it’s just a tall building dear.
Thepnr— ah the Rat Pack,Here’s My Way
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDyb_alTkMQ
@Smithie
Haha I used to sing that at Kareoke nights ๐
Come come dears
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRjlZ8x2uQM
Thepnr – nobodies perfect.
You haven’t met my wife –
Bad hygiene
Overweight
Shocking dress sense
Full of self importance
Terrible personality
Yes Thepnr – Once you’ve rid yourself of all these you can meet my wife.
Erections – What Chinese politicians have every few years.
Too earwy?
Sticking to the Rat Pack theme. Here’s a cracker LOL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1jY5fYjV-U
BEST EVER SPITTING IMAGE CLIP HAHAHAHA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr-Ia45UJ6Q
Thanks for all the Edinburgh suggestions guys x
btw all you lovely little reekie peeps – have you got yourselves organdieised to get over to Helen’s wotsit in July? To meet, greet and stroke the one and only Kendomacaroonie bar?
I’m going (winkie thing) and coming.
Big new, eh?
I had an hen lay a 4oz. (150gm.) egg this morning.
that’s pretty big for a chicken!
@ Thepnr
I enjoyed that! I especially liked the jump over the dispatch box, as I just love seeing puppets legs. It’s all Jim Hensons fault for having Kermit riding a bike ๐
@cearc
That egg will make an omelette by itself, send it to me in a brown envelope. Gimme Gimme Yum Yum.
Thepnr and Puula Rose, AH now we are getting into REAL music Lol. AHHH nostalgia. sigh
cearc honey – is she OK?
cearc says:
6 June, 2015 at 12:11 am
Big new, eh?
“I had an hen lay a 4oz. (150gm.) egg this morning.
thatโs pretty big for a chicken!”
Gawd i hate Boasters, but many thanks for the metric equivalent, it really brought it home to me, Lol
Just once…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLlLtSG7
@cearc –
Superb news. Did you happen to take a snap?
This, for me, is ‘real’ history in the making, as opposed to MSM-sanctioned pronouncements from bollock-merchants and gas-blowers in Westminster.
Cearc, I salute you.
๐
If you still pay you TV license BBC4 right now is a 70’s fest from The Old Grey Whistle Test,
Sorry Ian, will cancel next week. It’s always next week.
If it weren’t for you lot I’d probably have gone insane xx
No excuses Paula. You are insane ๐
This weekend Ian Brotherhood will lay an egg and livestream will bring us all the action.
Here I am singlehandedly building an extension to our lovely social club and all you can do is sit back and eat popcorn. If it wasn’t for us English roses…
No eggscuses – um shall I spin a discy?
Insane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaP0QuW5KOw
Great track paula rose. time for me to shut my eyes but I will leave you with this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iAkjokTLIP0 Somewhere for the red rooster to sleep.
“Hi all, have the new WBBโs โ the ones with tinfoil hats (hehe), and the badges if one was in a position to provide enough readies for, been posted out yet?”
They should have been, I’m looking into it.
Hi Rev.
Nice to see you visiting ‘off-topic’. Yilliv hud yir tea?
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Hi Paula Rose.
You posted last night/early this morning:-
Just onceโฆ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLlLtSG7
I got the message,
“This video does not exist.”
8=(
They’ve removed it! But it’s one of my finest performances!
Been trying to post this comment in Pauls WGD article on Anna Soubry, but no worky? So thought I’d float it here instead:
ยซยซยซยซยซ
Howdy Paul and y’all,
Re ‘woman’, could be Alex trying out some old scot-speak in the chamber.. remember the characters from Scottish soap (‘Take The) High Road’ speaking with each other anyone?
I can imagine Effie telling Mrs Mack to ‘behave yourself woman’. It’s what makes us Scottish, our own vocal identity/personality ~ aka Scotland’s voice.
I’m now approaching 2 years with no television at home.. I removed the cable from the back of my screen and it magically became a ‘monitor’ for other connectible entertainment devices. DO IT too if you can ๐
Next step is to ‘normalise’ Scotland/SNP in Westminster (just for now mind!) Coming soon.. indyref2.
After all the filth has been washed from Freedom Square it would now seem, from the web cam, the sun is trying to break through.
Sheryl Crow – Soak Up The Sun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIYiGA_rIls
Paula Rose,
The hen is fine, assuming it was the one hopping around the garden with her legs crossed.
Smithie,
You sweet, young thing!
(actually there was a typo, it should have been 115gm. – half asleep when I posted).
Ian,
Aye, I did.
cactus,
The reports are totally sexist.
I have often said, ‘behave yourself woman’ to females without being criticised for it.
The criticism is aimed at him because he is a man (probably just because he is Alex Salmond) and is therefore sexist against men.
Ceac
You were right first time. It’s because he is Alex Salmond!
Sorry spelled your name wrong Cearc
It’s a little c at both ends xx
and an ear in the middle.
I’ve been telt ๐
Chickens like a bit of corn xx
Lollysmum,
xx, smiley thing.
‘Rock The Casbah’ – Mick Jones, Rachid Taha, Brian Eno (2005) –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qmyiR9iNyM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=q0wdxj8-mAU
In the last part of my post on 1st June, about the history of ‘Scots Wha Hae’ and ‘Marche des soldats de Robert Bruce’, I mentioned the German power metal band, ‘Gravedigger’, and their ‘Tunes Of War’ concept album, about the Scottish battle for independence.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/off-topic/comment-page-25/#comment-2023247
Now, as I mentioned, I had never heard of the band, probably because they’re not ‘British’, therefore not worthy of media coverage in our beloved UK. The British media are like that…
Onnyhoo, this week, I have managed to download the album but have also downloaded the videos from YouTube, of Gravedigger’s 30th anniversary gig in Wacken.
I’m only gonna provide one link here – all the rest are numbered in the list down the right hand side of the YouTube page so you can check them out at your leisure.
Now, when you watch this video, remember that you are watching a GERMAN band in kilts, kicking off their concert, IN GERMANY, with a pipe band. Check out the crowd reaction when the pipe band finish, and play ‘spot the saltires in the audience’.
I bet you never guessed that Germans appreciated ‘Scotland The Brave’.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4D9M1SgcHg
Not surprised at all dear – german men love wearing skirts.
Paula Rose – du bist so ein Wind-up-Hรคndler!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmQ2CxrhNgA
8=)
I’m in here somewhere
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyYaBejjSrY
Well, Paula Rose, that’s just INVITING this response…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH85zttgbGg
Boyzundtoysiesundermensch!
Should I do the washing up or go to bed?
@Paula Rose (12.38) –
‘I’m in here somewhere.’
Behind which hedge?
๐
She keeps singing ‘I just can’t sleep alone at night’ because she’s got half a dozen dudes in the bed – they didn’t show them in this video:
Rah Band, ‘Clouds Across The Moon’ –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4R97AeM6IE
The Auld Triangle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=s836K9d3f4Y the Irish taking over the Albert Hall.
Had a good drink after the Barcelona game and I am feeling a bit Delicate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=dRPwFAoQwxc
Does anyone know how to find old posts on wings that you need to refer to for info?
Say when writing a letter?
For instance how would I find one of my old posts without scrolling for hours.?
Cadogan
No sorry-I’ve tried putting names in the search box-nothing. Subject in Search has worked occasionally but only seems to be where Stu has tagged it as being in a specific category & I’ve guessed the category correctly. Just gave up in the end though ๐
Thepnr has a clever way of doing it – he’ll probably pop in and explain, it’s all a wee bit techie for me.
Hi Cadogan Enright.
Here’s what you do…
Go to Google Advanced search.
http://www.google.com/advanced_search
Make sure you’re logged into Google so you can access your ‘search settings’ (the cogged wheel up at the top right). Set it to 100 results per page and save it.
Then, in the ‘this exact word or phrase:’ box, paste,
Cadogan Enright
Scroll down the page until you get to the ‘site or domain:’ box and paste in there,
http://wingsoverscotland.com/
Then hit the enter/return key.
You should get a list of “About 634 results”…
I suggest setting results per page to a 100 so you have 7 pages of results, rather than the 60-odd pages you would have with the default 10 results per page. (Saves multiple clicking to go to the next page.)
As Lollysmum types, if you paste YOUR name into the Wings search box on the Wings page, you’ll get,
No posts found. Try a different search?
Onnyhoo, the above method should get you on your way.
Of course, when you’re on a Wings page, you can use command-F (Mac) or Control-F (Win) to instigate a search for specific text on THAT page.
@Michael McCabe 2.57am
Thanks so much for the Auld Triangle link; I’ve only ever heard it done by The Corries, and it was lovely to see and hear a different version.
Guys, I’m still here and I love you all; just can’t face some of the vitriolic rubbish over on the main threads just now.
@ Natasha Glad You enjoyed it. And it is great we have off topic to escape the mainstream. this place is my wee haven. thanks to rev stu and wings for providing it. All the lovely wingers who frequent it. not forgetting the Housekeeper the lovely Paula Rose.
Flattery will get you everywhere xx
Peeps,
The Clyde Bar Helensburgh are delighted to host the Friends of WoS party. The owner is looking to provide live music and possibly some street entertainers (yes, me too). Can you let me know who is the goto guy here to liaise with and I’ll forward their contact details to John Rapallini owner of the Clyde Bar.
I just need to know the exact date and approximate time of arrival. Also, Please let me know if live music if required etc etc
Ken(at)iscot.scot
Hi kendomacaroonbar.
For the two get-togethers at Invergowrie, we had Scottish/pro-indy music videos showing on a screen (ok, a king-size white sheet!).
We could do the same for Helensburgh. All we’d need is a wall for the ‘screen’ and a suitable location for the video projector and laptop, with a feed into the house PA.
Cactus seems to have been elected as VP Ents, or Social Convener, or Artiste Liaison, or whatever.
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Hi Natasha.
Have you not tried out the snug yet?
http://wingsoverscotland.com/quarantine
Hi Brian
Thanks for the reply.. will pass on the request. CACTUS >> Can you DM me your contact details please ? Thanks
Kendo etc
Has iScot June issue been sent out yet?
Stone Roses, ‘I Am The Resurrection’, (Live, Glasgow Green, June 15th, 2013)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XDI5Rqf0tg
How does one watch the UK parliament live without using a license fee? Please – a serious question.
This may be useful for anyone who has to deal with Daily Mailers sounding-off about the immigration ‘crisis’, and the UK’s role in dealing with those fleeing poverty.
Dick Gaughan, ‘Craigie Hill’ –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP15bKvUpdw
@Lollysmum
Lyn, sent you an email
Bdtt, I just used that google search method you outlined to Cadogan and found ma own postsโฆgod when you look back at what you have written, especially before the 18th September, it’s quite ‘poignant’ for want of a better description. I was so certain we were going to do it, it felt like it was happeningโฆinevitable.
It’s also quite strange to have everything still there, I had never posted on any forum before Wings, and treat writing as I do speaking, the words are said and for the most part in just living life, the words are just gone. Reading back over some of my own comments, there’s a few embarrassing ones interspersed with some that I can live with.
We are recording our own history as we goโฆquite literally on here. Funny old life, int it. ๐
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NXnxTNIWkc
@Paula Rose
If your in your own house and have no license then to stay within the law you can’t watch it live. Whether it is streamed or not you cannot watch any live broadcast that is capable of being received in the UK without a license on any medium.
Just watch it at a mates house, cafe or pub, or throw caution to the wind ๐
@K1
Yep you arerecording your own history and it there for everyone to see, like it or hate it.
I’ve learned to live with any comments I make, mainly because I mean them, though some may said in haste. It’s true though that after making a poor decision and re-reading next day you may say “oh shit” haha.
If you can’t handle the fallout, maybe best not post, you are after all putting your head above the parapet on the most scrutinsed Independence website.
You evil, evil, engineers, writers, gardeners, window cleaners, professors, teachers, diplomats, factory workers,
firemen, nurses, etc.
There is a shortage of journalists and labour activists, lets make an effort to recruit some.
Am just about to turn in but can I suggest that, if you’re using Firefox as your web browser, you download “Downloadhelper”?
It lets you download and SAVE umpteen videos from all over the place, including Vimeo and YouTube, amongst other, mainstream video hosting web sites. You can then watch them as you please, without time constraints.
Their wee icon animates when you can download something – I suggest downloading as mp4, for maximum compatibility.
http://www.downloadhelper.net/
My pussy has just settled down in my lap and needs a stroke – night night all.
PR, Don’t need a licence to watch parliament as far as I’m aware.
http://www.parliament.uk
@K1
Sorry you do need a license to watch anything at all being broadcast live even if over the internet. Catch up TV doesn’t count but channels like E+1 or any other +1 do if they are being broadcast live.
The important words are broadcast and live and the means of reception is unimportant. You can only access TV programmes after they have been broadcast using an “on-demand” service. That obviously is not live but is like hiring a video. I believe I’m right but am welcome to be corrected.
I sit corrected Thepnr, parliament tv: same premise applies, you can watch it afterwards but not ‘live’. In fact if you watch anything live on any ‘device’ you can be fined if you don’t have a tv licence. ๐ sorry PR, I was mistaken.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9ILyWFhuf3Y
@ Brian Doonthetoon. I seen this and though of you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3XeI9H2__gM
@boris.
Was it you who said some weeks ago you had heard the word “whirly” used to describe a shallow mine? Left a message on here then but lots of people don’t visit this thread. If you have any info, please let me know.
Tinto Chiel 8 June 2015
Hi. Yes it was myself who offered the information about the “Whirlies” My Great Grandfather worked them all over lanarkshisre in the mid 1800’s. Before deep mining took over.
Afraid Thepnr is right that you do need a licence if you’re watching something being broadcast live, or are living in a house with an aerial or dish set up that is capable of receiving a live broadcast signal…
Whether or not they can prove you’re receiving a live broadcast, that’s another matter! ๐
What do folks make of this?
Appears to make TTIP look tame
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121967/whats-really-going-trade-services-agreement
Thanks for this info, boris. My maternal grandfather and uncle were Blantyre miners, but they were deep ones mostly.
This probably explains Whirlies in East Kilbride. The name predates the giant roundabout, obviously.
Your avatar is very clever! Tapped on it to enlarge it and got all the jokes.
Thanks again.
Watching Mundell on parliament.tv reminded me of this great ELO song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A30Bt29i5KM
@ boris 1.11pm. Have just re-read my post. Clarification required owing to poor expression.
“They were deep ones mostly.” I was referring to the mines, nor my relations, of course.
Mind you, my Uncle Jim didn’t say much…
Thanks.
@Gillian_Ruglonian
Hmm, possibly sort of a “Plan B” by the forces of evil in case the mounting public pressure manages to shut down TTIP?
Tinto Chiel at 1.11: meant to say that the whirlies were the hutches used to move the coal to the pit head. This was done by the ponies OR a couple of youngsters. At the top they tipped the hutch onto the tables, (where the stones wers removed by the wimmen) the hutches were then turned round, (doing a whirlie) on the rail line and taken back to the coal face for more coal. They had a saying in Blantryre, “gies a whirl” used at times a compliment was to be paid to someone.
My family (Colligan) lived in Blantyre for many a year, up to the present day.
Boris
Thanks, Boris, for these details. The name begins to make sense now that you have explained the hutches. My mother’s side were MacDades from Craig Street. None left there now.
EK had no deep mines but there is now a drift mine on the back road to Newhousemill as you probably know, so your derivation is convincing.
Thanks again.
University of WoS, eh?
Boris darling your comment was number 12345 on Off-topic – congratulations!!!
This mention of ‘whirlies’.
My memory is throwing up a reference to many decades ago, whereby we, in Dundee, could have a ‘whirl’, or ‘whurl’ on a bike, piler, or other childhood vehicle.
Wonder if it came from the same source?
It has to be at a scheduled time and broadcast live to an audience which watch it simultaneously.
But a skype call to your daughter in New Zealand does not count even if it is at a pre-arranged time and even if it included other family members elsewhere.
This can lead to a grey area. e.g. watching Independence Live or some other amateur event streaming outlet. Not sure about whether they would require a licence?
Hi Michael McCabe.
I must admit I found the James Brown/Led Zeppelin mash-up a tad contrived, like the guy was determined to make them fit.
Now these, I think, are my favourite mash-ups, up to this point in time. I’ll post the first two I ever came across later tonight, or tomorrow.
To me, these three show an attention to how the songs fit together.
First, with a nod in the direction of your offering, ‘Whole Lotta Sabbath’…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThU9BOWcmjM
Then there’s this cracker, which has Debby Harry duetting with Jim Morrison…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnhKPw2NXIw
Lastly, how about The Bee Gees and Pink Floyd?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U13xOvDa19U
@Brian Doonthetoon
Loved that, the Bee Gees/Pink Floyd though was brilliant and a cut above the others. Best thing I’ve watched on here for a while. Though I’m easily pleased ๐
Cheers.
@ BDT: Whirl/whurl/hurl are difficult to split. A free hurl in Lanarkshire could be a cyclist clinging to a lorry, for example.
Asked this before on a main thread: is pinner still used in Dundee for a purse? As in, ” Ma pinner’s fell doon a cundy!”
Keep going with your groovy YouTube vibe, BTW.
@Brian
That Pink Floyd/Bee Gees mash was very cleverly done.
Raises the ironic dilemma of whether real state mind control is through education or pop culture (or indeed, both).
Look! Its a CONDIE right?
Perthese.
Besides I think ‘Condie’ is nearer to ‘Conduit’ than ‘Cundy’.
Same derivation, CMG.
Dialect forms of conduit. Cundy form given to me by a Dundonian 30 years ago.
Now, how about pinner?
Eh?
Definitely a cundy in Dundee, a stank in Glasgow and I think a syver in Edinburgh.
http://ww.scotslanguage.com/word/Aug2007/cundy__n.__a_covered_drain,_the_entrance_to_a_drain%3B_a_tunnel,_passage
Yes Chic, a Condie in Perth, see earlier link ๐
@ Brian Doonthetoon I remember you playing a couple of those mash ups a while ago on off topic. and I liked them back then too.
Here is two songs from two nice girls. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iIwl5VrqEfw
A wee live Waterboys track. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ypPrKnUew44
Hey bear with me, the video quality of this is awful but it is most likely the only video in existence of Johnny Cash in the early 60’s impersonating Elvis.
I’d guess he was just starting out on his career and his mantra might have been “Elvis Bad” LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYctbbWWzzo
@Thepnr 11.48.
Thanks for the link. It’s still syver in some parts of rural Lanarkshire, though Glaswegian stank is taking over.
@Chic McGregor
“This can lead to a grey area. e.g. watching Independence Live or some other amateur event streaming outlet. Not sure about whether they would require a licence?”
I don’t think they do.
Although, that said, there are some who think that just having a computer that’s capable of picking up live streams is potential evidence that you can stream live TV channels as well.
Clearly the ones who are pushing that line are the ones who are geniunely desperate to get more money to the BBC, rather than the ones just doing a job they secretly hate because it requires them to bug the hell out of people.
(The one who occasionally comes out to check my place falls into that last category and tends to just say why he’s here, asks if I need a licence, accepts my reply of “Nope!”, makes a tick on his clipboard and wanders off again. Not all slaves to the system are willing slaves!)
Basically, if they don’t know you have a computer with that capability in the first place, they can’t touch you. And the only way they can be sure is to come into your house and verify it.
And they need your permission to do that. Either don’t bother answering the door to them or just refuse to let them in.
Not that I ever watch BBC programmes. I find that since I stopped watching TV about two or three years ago, my mind has felt wonderfully free… ๐
@ Bdtt
Brian, I used to get a hurl on a bike, as in “gie’s a hurl hame, wull ye no?” Hurl in a car, hurl on the chairoplanes, hurl oan a bogey, hurl on anything that moved!
Whirl always involved rotating, as in spinning.
Hi Betty Boop.
The dustier corner of my library of memories is suggesting to me that ‘hurl’ was used where the person having the hurl was under the control of another person, in most cases.
“Gie’s a whurlie o’ yir bike…” would suggest that the person asking the question would be in control of the cycle. One would only indulge the request for a whurlie from someone you trusted, lest your bike was ridden off into the sunset.
It was maybe a St Mary’s thing…
Brian, you could well be right regarding “hurl”. Whurl, though, I don’t recognise. Shall ask the other half because he came from a wee place in the boonies outside Falkirk…
Brian, the other half hove into view a few moments ago and reckons he used “whurl”. Thought he might. Makes quite a difference growing up three miles apart ! ๐
Heard this, this morning on radio Scotland and thought I need to put that on Off Topic. Wee bit of ska, post punk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT4k1qgpWoI
Ooo post punk ska – One of Scotland’s finest (no dusty stuff)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOQSV1rl6TY
@ Thepnr Football is a funny old game ? With Ska. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9xtOLs0S1f8
@Paula Rose
That was good, never heard of The Amphetameanies but did have a laugh ๐
@Michael McCabe
That video was quite simply BRILLIANT. The funniest video I’ve ever seen here on Off Topic and probably anywhere. I’m amazed it hasn’t got 10’s of millions of views!
Anyway, thanks for posting, I laughed all the way through and will go to bed with a big smile on my face.
Yes, it has been a good day all round ๐
I wish you all a good night and leave you with a sweetness riddim. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3iYFyNHV9E&feature=player_detailpage
Boris, if you’re out there, a final question: have you come across any written sources which mention whirlies or hutches?
Kendo etc
Tried posting this earlier but seems its been lost in the ether.
Thanks for the mailing. It arrived today.
Seeing as things are so quiet, here’s a wee half-hour interview which, seriously, I’d be very grateful for any thoughts on.
It’s Terence McKenna with Jeffrey Mishlove, ‘Time and the I Ching’ –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fFKAk68C5Q
Ian honey – is that ching or change?
@Paula Rose –
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All donations gratefully received.
Yes Ian.
Very boring tonight YAWN. Liven things up a bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StVUPKkmZG0
If you don’t like this, your toooo young!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEalg62F8Zg
@Thepnr –
Yet another video I’ve never seen before…cheers! ๐
Usual tartan embellished flare trousered mullet sporting goal post waving history hugging face painted inmates in my way – shoo kids. work to do.
I really can’t believe this song and video is 45 years old, my favorite Status Quo tune ๐ It’s good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUOAtDU5yFY
I typed the other night that I would post the links to the first mashups I came across on YouTube. There’s a story behind the first one…
My cousin started his course at Dundee Uni in 1969, which gave us a whole new social environment. Onnyhoo, one of the Friday(?) nights at the New Dines was delayed somewhat, by the band’s van breaking down on the way from Glasgow to Dundee.
We got regular updates by phone and, eventually, the band went on stage around 1am, two or three hours late. An unusual lineup, as they included a fiddle player. A brilliant gig, leading me to go to Chalmers & Joy in the Hilltown (before their move to Seagate) next day, to see what they had by ‘The John Dummer Band’. Bought their first two albums; ‘Cabal’ and ‘The John Dummer Band’.
At the gig, they had played a number, introduced as “9 Bar Blues” but it wasn’t on either of the albums. It eventually turned up on their third album, ‘John Dummer’s Famous Music Band’, as ‘Nine By Nine’. Wasn’t a hit in the UK but was rather massive ‘sur la continent’.
This clip is from French TV…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8HumOuasM4
For those of you who are not averse to a dose of trivia, the bassist, Thumper Thompson and drummer, John Dummer, went on to form ‘Darts”, after the release of the John Dummer Band’s fifth album.
Incidentally, Joanne Kelly, her brother Dave Kelly (Blues Band) and Tony McPhee (Groundhogs) were members of the John Dummer Band at various times.
Onnyhoo, around 6 or 7 years ago, I did a YouTube search for the band and ONE video turned up. (loads of videos now.) It was my first exposure to the concept of the ‘mashup’. This is what I found – and how could I complain? The John Dummer Band, Slade and Linda Carter! (Didn’t she have wonderful eyes, a bit like Leanne Wood?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhNdn7f291g
And to the second mashup I found. I watch this around once a year and it is still liable to cause eye lubrication. I find it quite powerful… I still haven’t worked out whether it’s the fact that John Lennon was taken too soon, the hypocrisy of Bush and Blair, or the images of suffering.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VafZic-UM_Q
Typical – out of the snug and no mention of the new off-topic sprung dance floor.
Ooh, Thepnr! Serendipity!
Status Quo: their first album when they changed style was entitled “Ma Kelly’s Greasy Spoon”. It was named after the mother of Joanne and Dave Kelly, who ran a transport cafe, which was used by all the bands who were on the road around the greater London area in the late 60s.
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_Kelly%27s_Greasy_Spoon
and, just came across this,
http://retrodundee.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/chalmers-joy-record-shops-70s.html
Thepnr
Here’s one to make you feel ‘venerable’. Status Quo before they existed. ๐
The Specters – (We Ain’t Got) Nothing Yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jfq-rJGzdQ
@ Thepnr I swear I was going to play that same song last night. with the punch line labours new anthem. I will play this Qou one for them instead. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=d1gYJDQXPOk
Thepnr
Of course, that should have been less venerable. ๐
G’dafternoon folks.
Has anyone got an up-to-date list of names for the Clyde Bar boogey on Saturday the 25th July in Helensburgh?
Personalised badges are being arranged.
Chairs.
Here are the quo with the same song 45 years later.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05k_Cos4rLs
Wonder what I’ll be doing in 45 years time ๐ 45 has a certain ring to it does it not:)
@Thepnr
I’m not listening to enough of our old music – really enjoyed hearing SQ’s Down the Dustpipe again.
Good grief, 1970! Great summer, happy song –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG0oBPtyNb0
and a bit more serious, still playing then,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8zmkzshUvE
@Betty Boop
Excellent choices Betty for those of us of a certain vintage.
Continuing with the 70’s theme, bet you don’t remember this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLRDs9DtkrA
Original and far better than the paul Young version IMO.
I did a post regarding Brian’s comment on Grave Digger, but the comment goblins must’ve eaten it: I encountered the band in college, and was a big fan. They’ve done more Scots stuff since Tunes of War, it’s great.
Also, I’m still a bit off Private Eye.
https://wildernessofpeace.wordpress.com/2015/06/11/poke-poke-poke/
Silly Gnome.
Independence I WOULD GIVE everything I OWN. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=z5nzZy2LFE0
@Michael
I don’t know why but I am in the mood for some good songs and a bit of reminiscing and that was GOOD.
Cheers.
@Thepnr
Aye, there’s that “vintage” word again which is just too accurate for comfort. Ach well, all the best songs were way back then ๐
Since you are in the reminiscing mood, just to get your feet tapping after Thunderclap, a belter from a wee bit later:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYoogY-UGio
@ Taranaich
Very appropriate from The Jam re the media.
Ahh Suzie, now she was HOT!
Pherrr, better go and cool off now ๐
Hi Michael.
“Everything I Own”, Ken Boothe.
In 1974, Pete the Camera volunteered to drive my ex-fiance up to Aberdeen to visit either the ‘Green Shield’ or ‘S&H Pink’ stamp shop/warehouse, to redeem her stamps.
I think it was around Stonehaven that ‘Everything I own’ came out of the car radio.
Onnyhoo, the 70s…
This was another single that I thought had chart potential, but bombed (Got to #42.). An Edinburgh band who shared the BCR’s manager. Originally called “Bilbo Baggins”, they had to truncate it to “Bilbo”, because of complaints from Tolkien’s estate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u9T0RXL1fc
Hi Thepnr.
Have you seen this pic?
https://sites.google.com/site/webgaffer/home/uploaded-pics-page-8/suzi_sturgeon.jpg
Ah Brian I Remember going to court for Stealing Green Shield stamps. I got sentenced to 3 months and a brand new kettle. I remember Bilbo Baggins. I remember the bay city rollers when Nobby Clark was the lead singer. Anyway this is not the seventies but I think it is a good thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xrOek4z32Vg
Brian that’s a Brilliant pic of Scotlands Golden Girl.
Brian
It’s obvious you were deeply involved in the music scene in Dundee in the 70’s.
Remember this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie-R4LeURHk
Hi Thepnr.
I have that single! That’s why I was a tad disappointed with the upload to YouTube (which I saw a couple of years ago) – whoever did it has speeded up the track to the extent that it is almost the chipmunks.
If you want to hear it (or download it) at the correct speed. check out this link on my web space:-
http://sites.google.com/site/webgaffer/myoozack/Skeets%20Boliver-Streethouse%20Door-64kbps.mp3
And from the same page, here’s a mashup I used to do live in Jaspers Night Club, in the 90s. I found the ‘Pop Will Eat Itself’ track (Def Con 1) of interest, because I lost count at 9, as to the number of samples used in it.
http://sites.google.com/site/webgaffer/myoozack/Def%20Con%201-Crazy%20Horses-64.mp3
BTW: you may have to download those files before you play them. Let me know how you get on.
@Bdtt
That’s it, you have probably floored Alex with that pic. He was already off for a cold shower! Politics and … err…! That’ll put the heart rate up.
Paula, Paula, Thepnr needs soothing!
@Brian Doonthetoon
Regarding shithouse door it had to be downloaded but was well worth it just to hear them sing “I hear you banging on the lavvy door”.
As a wee boy living on the pletties I can well remember Sunday mornings when you just ahd to “hud it in” LOL
I read your comments posted earlier on dundee retro, I noticed that a female called Lesley posts, I think I know her. Her friend was Alison Burns and the two of them were part of Dundees first punks. Did you know either of them?
Alison became a jazz singer with some success.
This is Alison now.
http://www.alisonburns.com/
Deee Lite, ‘Groove Is In The Heart’ (live) –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwjoS-2zm9E
@Ian Brotherhood
Hahaha your at the wind up. You know I’ve already had to take a cold shower? I can only put up with so much in a day.
Behave yersel ๐
I’m rather enjoying this wee stroll down memory lane for us auld yins.
@Michael McCabe. Got to tell you that I considered myself really fortunate that I managed to filter out most of the 1980s and 90s when it comes to “pop” music. After a year or so travelling relatively media free, I returned to a friend’s home on the continent and turned on the telly in time to see these visions in braces and tartan trousers at half mast and decided to go back into music hibernation mode!
I did, however, enjoy Fine Young Cannibals, ta.
@Bdtt, Brian, are you Dundee’s music equivalent of the National Archives by any chance? I hadn’t heard of Bilbo, but, I don’t think I am alone there.
All this talk of Greenshield and S&H Pink stamps; jings, we led the high life, did we not? Used to be an S&H shop in Shandwick Place, Edinburgh, I recall. Aah, the simple pleasures.
Brian Doonthetoon you must remember this lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bLvlj6JQcI
Darlings if https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/going-forward–2#/story gets there I will be doing a live interview! See the real me!
Hi Thepnr.
Lesley and Alison were members of the first punk generation at the Bowlin’ Alley. (The generations were only 4 years, coz that was the turnover in students, due to length of degree course.)
The other names I recall from that group were Abe MacIntosh and Mike Strachan, who now (?) runs Beiderbeck’s.
I have a reel to reel tape of Skeets in the Bowlin’ Alley which is still waiting to be transferred on to my Mac. In it, in the middle 8, Mike Marra(?) goes through a list of public bogs in Dundee, “Not forgetting Seabraes.”
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Hi Betty Boop.
I’ve been going through my memories to see if there’s anything else Scottish, that maybe you haven’t heard. I did Shabby Tiger a couple of weeks ago, so let’s think…
Here you go…
Jim Kelly, who is credited with co-writing this song, was previously with Honeybus and played on their single, “Girl Of Independent Means”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvpgaFiLazw
Onnyhoo, this is, probably, the most famous band in the world in Dundee, after The Average White Band.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etiJWELXZeE
The term “he had them eating out of the palm of his hand” could have been written for this man. A true star and has left a legacy that is unlikely ever to be surpassed.
I know a bit over the top, but he was GREAT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klr5z0hoP04
@smithie
I really enjoyed that, thanks for posting the link. Oh innocent days.
@Brian Doonthetoon
I’d guess you also knew Vince Piggot too?
Lesley and Alison wearing fishnet stockings on a minibus to Dunfermline on the way to see The Adverts was a sight to behold ๐ Sorry ladies if your reading this and I’ve spoke out of turn.
Thepnr says:
11 June, 2015 at 11:11 pm
The term โhe had them eating out of the palm of his handโ could have been written for this man. A true star and has left a legacy that is unlikely ever to be surpassed.
I know a bit over the top, but he was GREAT.
Thepnr, No my friend, no way over the top. One of the greatest performer ever, sadly missed.
Hi smithie.
I was JUST too young for The Hap, but I do know pensioners who went there…
Onnyhoo, my last video for tonight. This was inspired by Mike Galloway, the supremo of Planning & Transportation & Economic Development in Dundee, who, in answer to a question at a meeting of the City Centre & Harbour Community Council, gave an answer.
Q. Why was it decided, in 2005, to remove the roundabouts from the original Waterfront Masterplan, adopted, after public consultation, in 2000?
MG’s answer? “Roundabouts allow traffic to flow freely”.
Here’s the ‘Downfall’ explanation,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF_S_fQF5Zc
And here’s the explanation from the the video we put together for a presentation at a CC&HCC meeting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b_u37Zsl-U
Vince Piggott – I know the name but wouldn’t recognise him if he gave me a punch in the pรผ$$.
Onnyhoo, definitely my last piece of music for tonight…
Recorded live in the Bowlin’ Alley, at the final of the ‘Marketgait Marvels’ talent competition, this is Colossus.
http://sites.google.com/site/webgaffer/myoozack/Colossus-Live-LightsOut.mp3
Oh
Brian Doonthetoon, naw nae way mate are you getting away with that yea auld git. You MUST ken o Washingtons in Union street run by Ciano who also had the Hap?. Ps ive met you and you look auld enough LoL.
Thepnr says:
11 June, 2015 at 11:30 pm
@smithie
I really enjoyed that, thanks for posting the link. Oh innocent days.
Indeed sir,as an 18 year old that is where i met my wife. Many happy memories indeed
@smithie
Haha well done that might put Brians gas at a peep for a while! Just kidding Brian see you in Helensburgh next month. You too smithie if you can make it along.
@Paula Rose
Well done you, i think an interview with THE Paula Rose on Indy Live would go down a treat. Not just with the Yes supporters, I know you have other fans too.
Many thanks thepnr, would love to be there (fished there and loved the area) apart fae the midges, but i am shy really
@Brian Doonthetoon
A wee bit of whitabootery. You got a problem wie traffic lights like?
HeHe i was a biker at the time, i suppose nothing has changed,well at least if you lot will tell me so?
FWIW, I think the exposure of Paula Rose via any form of electronic media is an appalling idea, and I will oppose it with every being of my fibre.
At the very least, WOS’s very own ‘Rose’ should not be subjected to the salacious probing and ‘creative editing’ which would undoubtedly ensue. The judicious use of Chinese screens and voice modulation may, perhaps, make such an event possible, but the central objection will remain – Paula Rose has been beyond the reach of MSM vulgarity for a long time now, and many of us would have her removed further still, for all our sakes.
What right has anyone? to jeopardise her hard-won Garboesque aura? That’s why I would urge responsible Wingers to completely ignore https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/going-forwardโ2#/story
@Ian Brotherhood
Yes, you may have a point there about Paula. We don’t want her all over the Daily Heil yet, best do at a time of our choosing.
I know that Paula likes Michael Marra so this is specially for her. “If Dundee Was Africa.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktqsrMgceCs
These home made Drummers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqJdzYY_Fas&feature=player_detailpage
This Song did not catch on in fact its Borderline. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_HyGTw6kDag
Just found this on you tube so I thought I would share. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEvF8pW8cjY&feature=player_detailpage
@Michael McCabe
That young guy playing the drums was impressive, glad I watched it.
@ Thepnr Glad you enjoyed it. Looking forward to meeting you all at Helensburgh.
Missing Bateman article
Serious Trouble at BBC Scotland
by derekbateman1
The reputation of BBC Scotland takes yet another serious hit today as details begin to emerge of shocking management behaviour in News and Current Affairs. Since the summer of 2011 when John Boothman became head of the department stories began to circulate of inappropriate activity towards staff and unprofessional relationships with outside interests โ some of which I reported here in his dealings with Labour Party spin doctors.
scotland
What the public did not know was the degree of stress placed on staff by an executive whom many at Pacific Quay believed was wrongly put in charge. In recent weeks I have spoken to and heard from journalists either signed off work or operating under duress. Grown men admit to breaking down. One has been under threat of redundancy for over two years.
Senior management have dismissed and played down consistent staff concerns which have been taken to them both formally and privately. But a situation arose before the General Election which they could no longer ignore when a staff member recorded comments made about them by Boothman. These were not just unprofessional and in breach of BBC guidelines but were profoundly wounding to the individual concerned.
They gave the BBC no option but to act. The incident has also hardened attitudes in the newsroom to the extent that a threat was made of strike action if Boothman was not removed.
The Director General has been involved in the case. Whatever action is taken, the line of responsibility goes far beyond one person and reflects badly on the administration of a key national institution which has turned a blind eye to case after case of intimidation and believed itself invulnerable to action. Many thousands of Scots have either stopped believing the BBCโs output or stopped consuming it altogether. The latest controversy will confirm their worst fears about out of touch and dysfunctional management and add to calls for both an immediate change at Director level and the devolution of broadcasting. More details to follow.
derekbateman1
Got a new ringtone. Any thoughts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF4xtdSdMmY
@Thepnr
Re Ringtone: Are you having a bad day, Alex…? Or just a wtf day? ๐
“Rev. Stuart Campbell says:
6 June, 2015 at 1:03 pm
โHi all, have the new WBBโs โ the ones with tinfoil hats (hehe), and the badges if one was in a position to provide enough readies for, been posted out yet?โ
“They should have been, Iโm looking into it.”
”
Hello @Rev. Stuart Campbell, not sure if you have posted an update anywhere yet – apologies if you have and I’ve missed it, and apologies for chasing you if you are still waiting on feedback yourself about them.
atb
Robert
Thepnr
A really, really awful day is it? Nothing can be that bad surely?
Sorry if I upset any of you readers, I feel like a bit of a Twat, which reminds me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-aVtKEhpO0
Hi smithie.
Where did we meet?
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Traffic lights…
If originally planned roundabouts (driver-controlled) are replaced by traffic light controlled junctions (as they have been), who is it supposed to benefit? Drivers, or Siemens?
http://www.siemens.co.uk/traffic/en/index/productssolutionsservices/signalsandcontrollers.htm
Sorry Brian, but everyone knows they’re called circles, not roundabouts. ๐
Anyhoo, here are a couple of very flamboyant gentlemen with a very young Hendrix.
Buddy & Stacy – Shotgun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpl29xapwFU
Thanks again bro.
True, in a bit of a mood today. It happens to us all. I’m going to turn in early but will leave you with this. I promise no sweary words in sight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dipFMJckZOM
No worries Alex. Stuff gets us down, but, other stuff lifts us up again.
This one has been going round in my head since my yoof and if you stick with it, I’ve put on a wee show near the end! ๐
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEEy615Jzg4
@Betty Boop –
Good stuff.
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Very moving stuff here – first part of a documentary about George Melly’s last tour.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrN1Wkulh8E
Hi Thepnr.
Maybe this is more in tune with your mental position today?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzHtm1jhL4
Paul Simon This should be Obvious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9HKNAhAxMAk
Gotta Get Away – from the UK…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewco-kNBPaw
A wee oddity:
John Lydon, with Harvey Keitel, doing some ‘acting’ –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IYvwD195hw
On Thursday night, I mentioned ‘Girl Of Independent Means’ by Honeybus, in connection with Dundee’s Jim Kelly. In that post, I didn’t provide a link for that song so here it is – another weel kent riff from the Shadows of Night’s song, which I have posted before, in relation to Bowie’s plagiarism, but will post again.
Honeybus –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdDxR-o6xXk
Shadows Of Knight –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHjEvIFQ7zk
A wee duet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lLn0hc2EjNA
Hey Brian
You great sage of all things musical ๐
Do you remember this Dundee band who didn’t quite make it to the big time?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysOJwbnpc88
Please please do not donate to https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/going-forward–2#/story because it will be embarrassing for me.
Hi Alex.
The Drive. I’ve been pals with Ronnie Jack, the drummer on that, from years before that recording. He was in City Square on the Saturday after the GE.
If you’re looking for a wee cyber diversion any time, go to Google and paste in,
“Ronnie Jack” drummer
You’ll be eyebrows raised at just how many bands he’s drummed with.
What do you call someone who hangs about with musicians?
A drummer.
8=)
A Bottle of White A Bottle of Red Perhaps a Bottle of Rose instead ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=c4eybr6SqyA
Hi Alex.
Here’s a quote from one of the links you’ll find if you Google (as above).
Bruce Money – “I played bass on the record. It was reviewed in the Sunday Mail under “Banned Punks Cut Own Sex Single”. I still have the article. Ronnie Jack ‘phoned me the same day concerned that his aunty might read it, since we were named. We were neither banned nor punks. Bruce Money, Exhibition, The Hot Club, Poker Alice, Crawler, Exhibition again reformed.
http://punkygibbon.co.uk/bands/d/drive.html
Yes Brian
Roger Patterson played in that band, his old man had the taxis on tofthill. He was in my class at school. I was the brainy one LOL so couldn’t get in a band, nobody would have me!
Hi Michael.
Perhaps a Bottle of Rose instead ?
Here you are, from the early 70s:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjryPCbaieA
Or, you could plump for ‘Spanish Wine’ from 1976…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eejrjEtadB8
I can see the problem that “The Drive” had.
If the main lyric in your song is “Can’t stop jerkin over you” the executives are not exactly going to be fighting over themselves in beating a path to your door.
Who cares? well done to the guys that formed The Drive.
I was going to give you a link to another unknown Dundee band that you would know funnily enough ๐
The Junkies lead singer Vince Piggot and on bass Alison Burns, anyway I couldn’t find it on Youtube, which may be just as well. Eeek!
Cheers Brian Fair enjoyed they two tracks. Mind I don’t drink Wine. Prefer a pint and a Brandy.
Hi Michael.
Brandy? No problem!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-zhg1BeUkQ
And here’s your (non-alcoholic) pint…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e1xvyTdBZI
Alex – you must have been hingin’ oot around the Bowlin’ Alley, 1977 – 1983ish?
I’m still hanging about the bowling alley!
By the way, any spare change widnae go amiss, pal,
@ Thepnr Here’s some Spare Change for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vWL-ZSIBgRk
Paula Rose, honey.
You could use purdah. Sit behind the curtain and whisper to an actor who speaks your words.
Dont mind me guys Im just using off topic to check if the problem I had with kewords linking to adverts is fixed
keywords
Lottery
jobs
manager
fingers crossed its fixed because even when I click on the down arrows I get redirected to some bloody advert grrr!
Nope, still seeing the words highlighted in blue with a little square green think with what looks like a tick in the top right corner,and when clicked on it takes me to different ads and in the bottom right corner it now says ad by WA it was another ad like adserve or something earlier.
Losing the will to live!
anybody got any advice?
Hi John.
I don’t get anything like what you describe. I’m using Firefox with the Adblock Plus add-on installed.
I’m sure Rev Stu said ages ago that he wouldn’t allow adverts on Wings?
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Hi Michael.
I prefer this (Dundee) version of that ‘Spare Change’ song:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fybwkm7ivQc
Hi Alex.
It’s amazing just what’s turning up on YouTube these days.
“A prime cut from the Seagate Studio, Dundee, recording session of Spring 1981, written and performed by Iain Carnegie, Jim Farrell, Cliff Smith and Kevin Devlin (aka The Megazones)”.
Cliff Smith worked with me in Claude Alexander in the late 70s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBjpFDc9Z7w
Basically repeating a point I made on Bella, but which I don’t want to do on Wings mainstreet, even if it is political, so posting here on OT for discussion.
As you all probably know I am a long time supporter of independence, the SNP and EU membership. I guess a fair number here are too.
However that does not blind me to the fact there are many pro indy folk who are also anti-EU, for whatever reason(s) and many are understandable reasons as well, even if I do not agree with them.
In the past, those folk have, therefore, often had to choose between the two at various votes.
Now we would hope, at such times, everyone would put normal levels of self government for Scotland ahead of their dislike of the EU.
But really we know that that is not at all likely to be true in every case. Those who are only marginally pro indy but strongly anti EU probably did not vote the way we would have liked.
Exactly how many are in that category, who knows?
But it almost certainly has lost us votes in the past, even for the indy ref. (Not helped by the fact the SNP refused to put a post indy EU referendum in the mix. Cameron stole a march on us there.)
But that is all water under the bridge, what concerns me now is this suggestion that a no vote for the EU referendum could be the โchanged circumstanceโ which triggered an indy ref2.
Really?
To me it sounds such a stupid idea I really wonder whether they have thought this through.
They are proposing that at a time when the UK has, effectively if not actually, left the EU, we then give pro indy/anti EU voters an even starker choice than they have ever had before.
Vote Yes to get indy and return to the EU
Vote No to stay in the UK and remain out of the EU.
No future conditionals involved here.
A clear and present split choice, immediate effect, mandate.
Also this would be done at a time when after a brutal and highly polarising EU campaign the No voters, including the indy leaning ones, would still be in various stages of euphoria.
I do not think we would have a chance of winning an indy ref 2
in those circumstances.
I would much rather they had given indy ref triggering โchange of circumstanceโ examples like 1. if the polls indicate it is what the people want 2. If the UK leaves the ECHR. 3. if the UK embarks on another illegal war 4. if the the Smith Commission/Vow is not met 5. if they bring in EVEL 6. if they allow TTPI to operate on Scottish NHS 6. If Trident renewal goes ahead 7. If the reactors of nuclear submarines are to be buried at Rosyth 8. if the Barnett formula is dropped – and umpteen other ‘circumstances’ it is possible to choose.
Anything else but a forced, immediate effect, EU membership choice tied to the indy vote.
Even, in the highly unlikely event that the SNP belatedly saw sense and included a post indy EU reverendum timetable in the indy proposals, it would be too little too late in those circumstances. IMHO.
What are your thoughts?
@john king
Sounds like you got a bit of a malware infestation in your browser there…
Been at the naughty websites? ๐ (Like the Scottish Labour site!)
Come On Scotland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u7DL4M0Hh8&feature=player_detailpage
Oneironaut says:
14 June, 2015 at 11:31 am
@john king
Sounds like you got a bit of a malware infestation in your browser thereโฆ
Thank god i got that wrong, i read that as infestation in your trousers thereโฆJeez you would be in trouble then John.
By the way,when does the party start?…
OK may i kick off with this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TATWd_PGfUg
Hi smithie.
You have neglected to answer my query from 12 June, 2015 at 6:23 pm.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/off-topic/comment-page-25/#comment-2026454
Don’t start posting YouTube vids until you’ve dealt with the more important matters! I didn’t get to where I am today, by being in a different place at another time.
8=)
LoL sorry Brian i wiz knackered (excuse) that night mate. Think back to a Brechin centre with Tartan Tory and Thepnr/and the wonderfull Mz Rose, and also The count at Arbroath at the Ref. So now may i continue to post my friend?, cheers ta lol
Hi smithie.
I blame Tartan Tory. He, obviously, assumed that we all knew each other and, therefore, neglected the introduction protocol. What an erse, iye?
Still looking in TT?
I love you really – you let me and Pete hang on to the very end at the Arbroath count, while you…
We absorbed your pain.
8=)
OK Brian while you think about it, i’m gonna sneek this one in,
watch?v=xYoogY-UGio://www.youtube.com
Smithie dear, Bdtt just spins the discs he has no say over door policy.
@Smithie
Well, a malware infestation in the browser, is probably not as bad as a maleware infestation in the trousers! ๐
Paula Rose says:
14 June, 2015 at 10:24 pm
Smithie dear, Bdtt just spins the discs he has no say over door policy.
Bless you dear, was trying not to upset anyone, so may i post some more vids? Lol
No sweat whatsoever peeps, all good, lets get onto some good sounds now, ( well as long as at it aint punk) lol
Here’s a sneak preview of a clue in tomorrow’s National crossword:
‘Old Scots offal that Lee gummed wildly (5-4)’
Please don’t request a sneak preview of the answer, for two very good reasons:
1. Refusal often offends.
2. I’ve forgotten it.
Smithie – OUT!
Ian Brotherhood honey – we enjoy Greg Moodie’s previews on twittie, enough said?
Ok Paula son, pfft
Oh smithie – you’ve $h@โ your troosers, or blotted your copybook, with your “no punk” comment. Paula Rose, from this day forward, will no longer bear your offspring.
To try and get her back onside, I will offer this…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg8tIlxxxRU
And for smithie,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X7PvU6qYEA
Or,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeGPpwFpIAA
Ok cheers Brian, sorry bud, much appreciated.
@Paula Rose –
Ach well, ye can’t please all of the proverbials etc etc…
Let’s just crack-on and start a new leaf, eh?
To that end, I have just cracked another bottle of ‘Bawbag’s Moet’, i.e. Lambrini.
Bottoms-up! ๐
Hi Chic McGregor.
An interesting post but I am tended towards the EU for one reason – the TUPE regulations, which prevented us, University employees, from being transferred to NHS Tayside, in Ninewells Hospital.
The reason the transfer failed was because NHS Tayside THOUGHT they knew it all, because they had handled TUPE transfers in the past.
The difference was that their previous transfers were bringing previously outsourced employees back ‘in house’, which was what these employees wanted, compared to us, who didn’t want to be transferred.
When we hit them with the TUPE regulations, it took a year, but NHS Tayside eventually removed themselves from the transfer process.
So, generally, I’m in favour of the EU as an organisation but as Farage has divulged, it need reformation.
Where is Bugger The Panda these days? I haven’t been able to keep across all threads lately, so he may be as active as ever, but I don’t recall seeing his big black and white coupon for a while.
‘Broadsword calling BTP…Broadsword calling BTP…come in BTP…’
Yea your right Ian you cant please all of the proverbials etc, hows yer Lambrini doing?
I have noticed Bugger the Panda on twitter Quite a lot.
Hi Ian B.
You must have missed this, from a couple of days ago…
http://wingsoverscotland.com/off-topic/comment-page-25/#comment-2026350
@BDTT –
!!! ๐ ๐ Cheers. I am well and truly back-and-fronted.
Sorry BTP – I remember reading that comment, and didn’t even click it was by your good self.
Well, I hope you know you were missed all the same, even if it was a mistake.
BtP last expressed disappointment in some aspect of Wings, maybe the delay in responses appearing on the board – sorry, can’t remember. Good fighter for the cause. I like him. I’m sure he’ll pop by again soon.
I think immediacy of Twitter suits him more, although personally I find its severe constraints reduce good argument to mere base opinion. But it sure as hell sharpens up my one-liners.
Unusually, this track has had NO (i.e. ‘zero’) views on Youtube. If it does show ‘1 View’ when you click on it, that’s me…
TBH, sounds alright to me.
Diplomatic Shit, ‘Drunk In The House Of Lords’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga5YzUJw-Fk
I seem to have upset some twitter self-abuser called Jill Stephenson. Sensed a callow male yoof behind the pallid smoke screen of infantile responses. After I got in three barbed hits she-he backed off into the night.
BD on BtP – that long post on BBC shenanigans you remind us of confirms what I thought – he is saving his ammo for the big stuff, and dipping in here less often.
@Smithie (11.51) –
Thank you kindly for asking.
I must inform you, with immense regret, that the Lambrini, like me, is totally done.
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