Wings Over Scotland

On the electoral roll
Photo ID ready
Where the fuck is the polling station?

Indy 2 today. No ifs no buts! This is a day that should shame Sturgeon and her merry band of thick sycophants. I genuinely believe we might have been in a negotiation period with Westminster if we had the right people in charge. However after 9 years all we got was a toxic GRA bill. Hide your head in shame Sturgeon!

God damn the lot of them to eternal hell.

Brilliant! Bravo!
Great Song.

Del Amitri: WHITE!

I’m just hoping that we’re gettting better at figuring out we’re being felt. On the bright aide it only seemed to takes us 9 years to notice that the SNP were the New Scottish Labour.

There are big, burly men at polling places in the borders. Not to mention strange looking white discs floating in the sky above Glasgow Green. There are rumours we may be about to get invaded. The Scottish Government has made a solemn vow that everything will be different on Friday morning.

Source: SNP press release

“like go to a Polling Station.”

typo alert – polis station surley

What a bloody waste of opportunity after opportunity.

When do we expect the result?

link to judiciary.scot

Above is link to the court judgement against Andrew George Miller. The detail of the abduction and sexual abuse on an eleven year old girl is horrific.

Absolutely horrific. And in our SNP Woke World Miller is the type of detritus our SNP government wants to encourage, cosset, promote and protect. It’s the Scottish Ministers who should be getting 28 years

But read the judgement. Learn the horrible realities.

So what time is best to go to the polling station. I’m kooking for one last selfie with MURREL AND STURGEON ! ?

If ever a video told a story… Thanks, Revd. Stu, for hitting the nail on the head every time. This deserves to be shared far and wide, not least with the hingers on. It’s already taken us far too long to twig. Time to wake up, folks.

Nicola is obviously re-launching her political career. She’s not going to face any charges from Branchform and all her buddies will pave her way back into the fold.

Get used ti it. Scotland under control of one populist personality cult narcissist after another.

Public service and integrity has been all but burned out of Holyrood. I know it is mockingly referred to as a Town Council, because of the depressingly low calibre and pettiness, but that’s not far off the truth.

If memory serves, Scotland has Polling Places, not polling stations.
Being aged, my memory may be failing though.

Scots eh, wha’s like them?
They’ll swallow any auld shite. Lol.

Its reached a stage now when i holiday abroad and hear a Scots accent, i have f**k all to do with them ( like i dae at hame) when i find they are of a certain persuasion.

‘May posterity forget that you were ever our countrymen’
Samuel Adams 1776

Local school is closed today in preparation for voting – I wish.

I was going to thank you Stu but there is little point in thanking you for utterly depressing me.

On the plus side, absolutely no one voted No in this referendum.

P*ssing down out there. Don’t think I’ll bother. There’ll soon be a General Election anyway, and all we need do is vote SNP again and job done.

21 March 2022: The National front page headline:

“SNP REFUTE CLAIM 2023 INDYREF IS UNLIKELY”

Further comment not necessary.

Bit windy and wet so won’t go out just yet but rest assured I will be out later no matter the weather.

Martin Monaghan says:
19 October, 2023 at 12:46 am
However after 9 years all we got was a toxic GRA bill. Hide your head in shame Sturgeon!

I know I keep saying this but it’s important

We’ve already got the toxic, absolutely bonkers GRA bill thanks to the Westminster Government and our NO voters.

Sturgeon & the First Prick are absolutely 100% behind Westminster GRA 2004 bill.

They are so behind it they even want to reform it do away with doctors and just let folk diagnose themselves and even write their own prescriptions. They want to make all plastic surgery available on the NHS. You want bigger boobs, smaller boobs, no boobs, laser hair removal, beard growing drugs, hair implants,a hysterectomy, your cock turned into fake fanny, etc etc you just need to say the magic words I am trans.

Don’t worry about it nobody knows what trans is so nobody can prove whether you are or aren’t trans.

As a matter of fact nobody knows what a woman is either so if you guys want to put on a dress and be a woman you are perfectly free to do so.

Nobody knows what a man is either and that is why you can put on a dress & hey presto you are a woman.

The First Prick’s bill is called the Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill
GRRB Scotland for short.

Here’s the thing about the GRRB Scotland is that every other party at Holyrood supports this bill. OK the Tories don’t support some parts of the Scottish bill however they are 100% behind the GRA 2004 which is equally bonkers and wastes doctors time asking them to diagnose …… who knows, a fetish?

Quite why the GRA 2004 still needs a medical diagnosis is beyond me. Transgenderism was originally considered ‘a mental illness’ but now it is ‘perfectly normal’ so quite why they need to see a doctor is a mystery.
Self-id is probably best.

I wonder if those people who believe they are Napoleon, Queen Victoria or even God are now off the hook and not at risk of being sectioned?

Lecture over…..for now!

George Ferguson @ 09.17
Nice one George.

“A closer look at the timeline of the decline in SNP support offers some clues as to why the party has lost ground. At the beginning of this year, the party’s support still stood on average at the 45% it secured in 2019. It slipped a little in the wake of the row about gender recognition, a measure that only a minority of voters backed, but was still running at 43% when Ms Sturgeon announced her resignation. But between then and the announcement of Mr Yousaf’s victory in the leadership contest, support for the SNP fell by five points to 38%.

In contrast, despite the dramatic pictures and headlines, the arrest of Mr Murrell had no discernible impact on the party’s standing in the polls, though the subsequent arrest of Ms Sturgeon was followed by a two-point drop to 36%, the level at which the party’s support currently stands.

This timeline points to two principal suspects for the SNP’s difficulties – the outcome of the leadership contest and perceptions of party unity. The new First Minister is certainly less popular than his predecessor, while so far there is little sign of any improvement in his popularity…”

link to ukandeu.ac.uk

Yousaf: SHIMS OF SCOTLAND, I am Humza Yousaf (he/him).

Young activist: Humza Yousaf (he/him) is 7 feet tall!

Yousaf: Yes, I’ve heard. Wins by-elections by the hundreds, and if HE were here he’d consume the English with spicy Tweets from his phone and TikToks from his arse.

I AM Humza Yousaf (he/him). And I see a whole army of… white people… here in defiance of tyranny. You have come to fight as free trans, and free trans you are. What would you do without transgender hormones? Will you fight?

Veteran activist: Fight? Against that? No, we will seethe; and we will dilate.

Yousaf: Aye, fight and you may die. Run and you’ll seethe — at least a while. And dilating in your beds many years from now, would you be willing to trade ALL the days from this day to that for one chance, JUST ONE CHANCE, to come back here and tell our enemies… that they may take our motorhome, but they’ll never take… OUR PRONOUNS!!!

Humza and Activists: Gaza gu bra! (Gaza forever!

Its interesting, or rather more predictable, how this Big Day has been totally ignored by the Media.

Unionists happily choosing to avoid the teasing and the taunting and content to just sit there smugly knowing all things remain exactly as they like them.

Meanwhile SNP disciples are all busy away elsewhere talking about how that was a lovely standing ovation for Nicola, wasn’t it?

“God damn the lot of them to eternal hell.”

I’m with steph @ 12.52.

Some things are unforgivable, and my list is getting longer by the day.

Free Beer Tomorrow….Now where have I heard that before ??

Where is the deep analysis of why the SNP haven’t delivered? The assumption is that they sold out. What if they made promises they couldn’t deliver? Gee, that’d be the first time a politician did that eh? The parallels between you and English political bloggers are very close. You forget that success needs multiple things, not all of them achievable by Scotland alone.

Enthusiasm and will are the easiest to get. Tick, you’ve got that in spades.

The next hardest is to get acceptance in the external bodies, like the EU and even Westminster, that you will need on your side in the future. The EU would never accept a Scotland that used a basic election to tear up the membership of a union. If you could do it once, you and other political parties could do it again. And again.

Particularly difficult is to negotiate through the legal minefields, inhabited by very clever people who live to thwart change. Revolutions do just that but rarely end well.

The hardest of all is competence. All countries seem to be at the mercy of the talentless numpties we elect. Has it occurred to you that politics and capability don’t go hand in hand? Just like companies, countries need to be driven by logic rather than emotion, to succeed. Instead of plans for how a free Scotland will spend the extra cash, shouldn’t there be plans on how to build a frugal government that can deliver even if there is less cash to splash? That doesn’t have to wait for a referendum.

I admire you guys for your enthusiasm but…

This piece about the actual condition of the British state cannot be read often enough.

link to theatlantic.com

Even the pragmatic, cynical British establishment does not believe in the «thing itself».
Independence will click in as the only viable option for Scotland when the usefuls of Scottish Unionism eventually loose their blind faith.
The British system is functionally lazy. Other than retaining Scotland for its territory no one in London is actually interested in the place.
This moth eaten empire is on the way out. Mind the bed bugs!

Red 9.53

Now that is VERY VERY witty.
Applause.
The only political truth is satire, indeed.

If Sturgeon had a shred of decency or integrity, (which she doesn’t), she should launch her attempted political resurrection by setting up her own Political Party with Gender Reform as it’s raison d’être, and clear the field for those few left in the SNP who actually support Scottish Independence.

She doesn’t, and she won’t, of course, and the Independence Movement will soldier on, labouring under the unnecessary burden of Gender Reform delinquency and tr3ach3rous absurdity, which will plague Scotland for decades, largely because many sober and rational voters who would back Indy, will not be able to stomach voting for a bunch of charlatan opportunists and perverts.

She won’t separate the issues because she was the disingenuous moron and political reprobate who was responsible for intertwining the two. She was the midwife who delivered it, because she knew full well the Perverts Charter needed the buoyancy of Scottish Independence to keep it afloat. But my god, what a price the Independence Movement in Scotland has had to pay.

Having read Paul Kavanagh’s take on the SNP Conference, (don’t trouble yourself, seriously… don’t), and Lesley Riddoch’s wittering horseshit on the same subject, it’s beginning to look like the SNP must burn to ash at a molecular level before there’s any possibility of a Phoenix rising from this …. this… this…. Sorry, I just don’t have a word to describe this tragic mess that’s adequately grim and dripping with enough anger.

TURABDIN @ 10:43 am

“This piece about the actual condition of the British state cannot be read often enough.”

It is an interesting read, though like many bourgeoisie from south of the border rather limited culturally or historically on the matter of Scots or Scotland.

McTague’s emphasis on the importance of national identity was spot on though, as for sure ‘nothing else matters’ in the constitutional question:

“Unless people in Scotland believe that they are also British and that the British government and state is their government and state, nothing else matters.”

….albeit his rationale for this and the ‘creation’ of national identity did not quite extend to consider the most critical factors at play here, i.e. a fowk’s ain naitional cultur an langage whit aye gies thaim thair ain naitional consciousness an identity:

View:
YT@IndependenceLive MA: Doun Hauden – A Psychology of Nationhood

@ Breeks at 11.11am:

“it’s beginning to look like the SNP must burn to ash at a molecular level before there’s any possibility of a Phoenix rising from this …. this… this…. Sorry, I just don’t have a word to describe this tragic mess that’s adequately grim and dripping with enough anger.”

Can I help you out? Howsabout ‘almighty clusterfuck’?

sam, excuses. Scotland is not poor by international or historic measures. What the NHS money is spent on is diluted by add ons. Quite rightly, the people here resent the rise in transgender stupidity and that kind of social indulgence costs money. Huge amounts of money could be saved for essential health care and other services if we (Scotland and the rest of the UK) ditched the social gold plating. Diversity officers, pride week, rainbow posters, etc, etc, etc all cost money but don’t prevent a single cancer or cure a disease. There’s not even evidence that they prevent self harm.

People don’t get fat or become an alcoholic or an addict because they’re poor. It’s because they enjoy the things that get them there. Eventually there may be drugs that can prevent those things but until then only self control prevents them. Is that the difference between the rich and the poor? Is there more pressure on a rich person to stop their bad habits? I know that my Mum only stopped smoking because my Dad threatened to divorce her. She only started because it was socially encouraged and cheap.

Pinning the hopes for a successful Scotland on a bottomless purse is a plan for failure.

There’s no difference between Tories lining their pockets and the SNP, with Labour already shaping up to get their snouts back into the trough.

Everywhere governance has expanded from the size of the cabinet, to every last committee, spad and quango. While political interference further infests previous more independent institutions – law, policing, media, health, education. All the way down to hiring sex pests to access kids in the libraries.

And all with competence dropping alarmingly throughout, and an ever revolving door of failed politicians picking up professorships, and directorships they are nowhere nearly qualified to attract.

It downfall of Rome stuff.

I predict a vote less draw.

Can someone do the honours of trolling the folk at WGD about the Indyref2 today & how they voted. if you’ve previously commented there,just for fun. I just tried & they’ve locked down access to comment by facebook& wordpress. Go on, it would make my day and many others just for a laugh to see their response or even post that National front page & that would do the trick. Might aswell have a bit of fun with it, you know!

@ Ruby

The IT article is well worth keeping, imo.

The distress of young people with gender dysphoria is what self ID has hitched itself to.

More mental health support is the only medical health intervention justified.And patience.

Kathleen Stock has an article out today which I can’t access. I think the gist of it is that Tavistock Clininc is still doing harm.

Well, I’m glad that I didn’t take up residence in a cottage on my sister’s farm just for today’s vote. It’s bloody wet in Perthshire today, she tells me by Whatsapp.

sam says:
19 October, 2023 at 12:38 pm

Kathleen Stock has an article out today which I can’t access. I think the gist of it is that Tavistock Clininc is still doing harm.

link to unherd.com

You don’t get the full article but the comments are also interesting.

I think it might be worth splashing out a £1 for three months.

The Captain salutes the Reverent for this great summary. Uncomfortable viewing for some, but very well put together.

We had a referendum. Remember?

“Once in a lifetime”.

The opinion polls showed 53% Yes.

The reality of the poll that really mattered showed that less than 38% of the electorate voted Yes.

Come back in 2032; and dream on.

What to say?

There are no adequate expletives on this planet to describe the utter betrayal and hatred I feel for the NuSNP.

They will never again get my vote or that of any of my family.

They have manipulated, and lied to, the people of Scotland and their demise cannot come soon enough.

SCUNNERED.

“The reality of the poll that really mattered showed that less than 38% of the electorate voted Yes”

The reality of the official poll showed the majority of the native electorate voted YES, but their right to self determination was frustrated by those who arrived from elsewhere and were given the vote just for being in Scotland at that particular time. Or not even that, actually. Some were given the opportunity to vote simply for having a second (or third, or fourth or a fifth..) home in Scotland. Never mind if they lived all year round elsewhere and gave two figs about the future of Scotland.

The reality that poll showed is the franchise was predisposed to benefit a no vote at the expense of the self-determination of the native Scots. That is how little consideration is given to the self-determination of the Scottish natives in this union.

Never mind this is Scotland. For the powers that be, and the political class administering Scotland on their behalf, it is far more important to keep happy the unionists born and coming from elsewhere (and even living elsewhere in some cases), than actually paying attention to the will of the yes voters born here.

That is the reality of that poll. That is the reality of this union. That is the absurd reality of the Scottish political class currently ruling Scotland on behalf of the British state and for the benefit of its establishment rather than for the benefit of Scotland’s natives.

In the next Scottish Election I demand a ” None of the above” option on my ballot paper. If my demands are not met then I will draw something rude on it.

How many rude drawings would it take to change democracy?

@Ruby

Autism does seem to play a large part in gender dysphoria. Always, it seems, a desire to escape their present condition.

Tribunal Tweets is reporting on Jo Phoenix’s claim against the Open University.

Recompense for unfair dismissal is being considered and that is being reported today as well (Borg-Neal v Lloyds)

These employers gave in to the hysteria of wokist employees and will pay a hefty price for it, financially and reputationally.

@ Pat Blake

Thank you for your interesting, if wholly positivist, contribution above. Colonially subjugated populations remain as such, until a collective liberated-consciousness is engendered and overrides all that has gone before. The SNP has never engaged itself with matters theoretical regarding its historical task, of course, thus by default has been playing the game of colonial politics since its inception.

The futility of “politics-as-usual” in Scotland, is clear for all to see. In order to familiarize yourself with what is currently underway politically in Scotland (outwith the influence and control of the SNP or the MSM), may I point you towards the ongoing work of salvo.scot and also, the reading of Alf Baird’s book Doun Hauden, (£10 from Amazon).

I should warn you: at no point will you find acceptance of the positivist fallacy of ‘Westminster’s sovereignty’ over Scotland; a point impressively reinforced by a mountain of evidence as to why such a claim could never hold-water.

Today we could have had a referendum, if Sturgeon had wanted it as much as the movement but she didn’t. You only needed to watch Politics Live not one Unionist attended the show while the SNP was having their conference. The unionist parties don’t even have to defend the Union anymore the SNP is doing the job for them. On Debate Night you could see that people where sad and fed up and everyone knows that the SNP has run out of Ideas and the general public will be happy for them to lose and no one really believes anymore that the UKG will grant a referendum nor do they believe the SNP will ever deliver it.

For me I’m glad we aren’t having a referendum, lets count our blessings, could you imaging if we had won Independence and Humza was going to be our PM.

@Pat Blake

Still in denial about the causes of early, premature, unjust deaths and long periods of disability among those with least money and income?

Here’s a link to work done for the Marmot Report, 2010. (I bet you have no clue about that.) A report into health inequalities in England.

“Inequalities in Priority Public Health Conditions
3.1. Cardiovascular Disease and Cancer
Cardiovascular diseases (CVD) are the main cause of death in the United Kingdom,
accounting for over 200,000 deaths every year, followed by cancers which account
for over 154,000 deaths (Cancer Research UK, 2006). Within these numbers there are serious inequalities between geographical areas, gender, socioeconomic group,and ethnicity. Chronic conditions disproportionately afflict the poor and the
marginalized and create further hardship and deepen poverty. Mortality and morbidity from cardiovascular disease and cancer are unevenly distributed across society with a disproportionate burden in low-income groups, minority ethnic groups and people living in the north of England….

3.2. Obesity
As in other high income countries, obesity is associated with social and economic deprivation across all age ranges and recent research suggests that this gradient is embedded with little evidence of change over time (Adamson et al., 2007). Further, it is known that minority ethnic groups and individuals with a mental health problem or physical disability are disproportionately affected by obesity (Adamson et al., 2007; Allison et al 1999; Dinan 2004). Geographical inequalities are also evident, with hotspots in the North East, Yorkshire and Humber, and the East and West Midlands (Adamson et al., 2007)..”

link to instituteofhealthequity.org

100% yes.

Legally The devolved government in Scotland is a branch office of Westminster,
That is why the fake attempts by the Snp pretending it is working for Scotlands independence is a sham.
The devolved government are not Scottish, hence all the reservation legal control by Westminster.

A true Scottish government have control of finances without a Barnett formula, it would have control over immigtation, have control of Scottish borders and over its sea bounderies,
It would have control defence and nuclear disarmament in Scotland.

Once you know what you know, that the devolved government is a Colonial branch office for management, you understand the Snp,
and why tories used to have control of the scottish voting Franchise for investments and that referendums under those conditions in Scotland will never be Successful,

Here’s a quote from Blair McDougal in response to Kate Forbes taking a fair chunk of the vote. Pay careful attention to the thing he posts first which is of the greatest importance to him.

“Nearly half of SNP members just voted for the small government, low tax, pro austerity, anti gay marriage, anti choice, anti single parent candidate.”

I would not be comfortable with Forbes as the leader of the country with her ties to the US Israeli puppet state and religious beliefs albeit as we saw being openly Christian in a Christian country is unacceptable to unelected Muslims and Jews who are in the seat of government. I am equally as uncomfortable at the idea of this government getting even bigger via more quangos, NGO’s, Non Profits and charities along with positions being created to accommodate crony capitalism/communism.

“The SNP didn’t get as many as Labour”
They still got far more than they deserved.

The SNP has not come out in full open support for the union (yet), but while they will waffle a bit before an election to keep the pretence, the reality is that for the last 8 years they have done nothing at all to progress independence. They haven’t even tried.

The combination of forcing through toxic policies with their stubborn refusal to progress independence has caused support for the SNP to nosedive. However, overall support for independence is steady. This means support for the SNP can no longer be used as the measure of support for independence.

“75.7% are probably just fed up with all of them”

Possibly. Equally, it could simply reflect the electorate being unhappy because their preferred candidate (Margaret Ferrier) had been removed from the ballot.

“I don’t think there’s any great point being made by the electorate in support of, or against, any of the parties, unionist or Indy”

I disagree. The main difference between 2019 and 2023 is that, by accident or design, the SNP has now become unelectable and toxic. It is mainly traditional SNP voters who have been deliberately disenfranchised.

If people were really fed up of all the talking about independence or a referendum, the electorate would have voted for unionist parties to put an end to it. Instead, the overwhelming majority stayed at home and the overall unionist vote fell compared with 2019.

It is also quite telling that only a very small proportion of previous SNP voters could stomach casting a vote for a unionist party. Again, this is a sign unionism has run its course. Not even alienating voters after infiltrating a pro-independence party rendering it toxic has helped to boost the unionist vote in that constituency.

We heard “experts” for months, even before Margaret Ferrier was pushed out, warning us of a labour “surge”.
To be honest, I was expecting a tsunami. We didn’t even get a ripple in a teacup.

Labour did not even manage to get the same amount of votes they got last year, and that is including strategic votes from tory and libdem natural voters.

What Rutherglen and Hamilton West showed us was an astonishing high level of disenfranchisement in UK politics. This is a sign the system is breaking down, but also a sign the only way unionism survives is by disenfranchising yes voters.

The thing is you cannot claim this is a democracy when a political party purports to represent the views of an entire constituency when it commands the mandate of less than 22% of the electorate.

The problem in Scotland succeeding in a referendum under the devolved government from Westminster is the negotiations for separation would both be under Westminster parliament.the the thought of the Snp or any union party in Scotland negotiating on behalf of Scotland is undesirably one sided negotiations,

It reminds us that this is what happened when Queen Anne of England, Ireland and France, claimed falsely she was queen of Scots,

The negotiations held were by England and all in favour of Westminster and England, the Commissioners were all the commissioners of the Queen of England.
As she was never crownedqueen of Scots or Scotland.
The 1706/ 1707 parliament in Scotland was not actually under the Queen of England, France and Ireland.

The english parliament law, Act of Settlement 1701 was succession to the throne of England France And Ireland.
The english parliament law and act of Settlement 1701 was prior to a fallacious parliamentary union, between Scotland and England.

In which the Westminster parliament of England dissolved the Scottish parliament from the treaty in 1707, with no Authority To do so except in england and the laws of England.

The repeat of the king of England and the parliament of Westminster and the Courts in England still holding sway over one sided negotiations on behalf of Scots and Scotland and 300 years later
Through the the devolved legislated Westminster parliament branch office sent to Scotland is as illegal as those first negotiations over Three hundred years ago,

I could not envisage Scotland ever being free or independent with out Westminster making land and sea grabs, then slapping crippling falsified debt on Scotland to ensure it never succeeded as a country afterwards..

So who rules the legislation and laws over ruling any political party sitting in the devolved scottish government, and who owns the parties sailing under Westminster Legislation, and Statues in Scotland,
Both parliaments are Westminsters,
How would that go in negotiations?

When I look at Kate Forbes I get that Wayne’s World Mole,Moley,Moley feeling.

@ socratesmacsporran at 4.15: re Eck successfully smeared and the need for an alternative to a referendum.

In my 72nd year I too fear that I won’t see independence and I lay the blame entirely on the SNP. They have blocked the routes available over the past nearly 10 years and show no signs of changing. It is tragic and wicked.

When Alba was formed I prayed that Alex would do hugely valuable work behind the scenes and NOT stand as leader because I knew from my experience locally in the 2021 election that he had been successfully smeared. Until the truth comes out this will remain the case.

So the alternative route must be followed by non-politicians because there are no powerful politicians who are willing to put the sovereignty of the Scottish people to the test. That principle should be put to all Community Councils and Local Authorities to see if they will accept it. And at the same time we must get sufficient signatures on the Liberation.scot Edinburgh Declaration so that a Congress can be formed.

Sturgeon the dirty lying b*stard.

I watched the results in 2014 with growing disbelief at the mindnumbing idiocy of many Scots and all the EU fools and BritNat sycophants destroy Scotland’s place in the world. For a year or so after the debacle, I expected Nicola and the SNP to strive for a better future.

Well, I was a fool myself.

Today was a “No ifs, No buts” opportunity to set the record straight and release us from the straightjacket that is the UK. But something happened. Maybe it was just that Nicola Sturgeon happened, or maybe it’s more complex than that, but whatever it was, we have been denied our choice in our future.

As I sit today, 19th October 2023 at the good age of 68, I no longer have any confidence that I’ll see Independence in my lifetime. I honestly think that dream will go unfulfilled.

So, it will be for my children and their’s to forge a new path for Scotland.

One that makes decisions for the benefit of Scots and not for WM sycophants, crooks, and sociopaths.

One where decency and justice FOR ALL are meaningful expressions of a genuinely democratic country.

One where collaboration is more important than confrontation.

One where every citizen has the same rights, and those rights are respected.

One where 2+2=4, without caveat or correction.

One where people can access energy without sacrificing food.

One where the political class come from the ordinary class of people.

One where honor and decency are first principles, not thought of as deficiencies

One where a Justice system actually MEANS justice

Maybe I’m just an old, stupid man who’s dreams have become nightmares and wants a way out. How many Scots want their country back? I no longer know.

Nae man can tether time or tide. If not Now, when?

Tony Little – Talk is cheap Tony and if all of these headlines from The National, or even some of them, say 10% of them, showed that some work had been done towards achieving independence then all of these headlines would mean something. As it is they mean nothing. The SNP have achieved nothing. In fact, they have moved Independence altogether out of the realms of realistic expectation. Who would have thought that would happen so quickly and effortlessly.

I do wonder if the SNP will wake up to the fact they have an infection in the form of the Vietnam group and their supporters. By their actions they have become compromised and are being played by the security services.

It is clear for all to see when you review their failed polices, and there are loads of them, who took them to this disaster.

At some point they have to lance the boil to clear the infection. They are incapable of forward movement and are unfit for office.

It is lance the boil time or lose your jobs. It was of your own making the moment they lied. Committing perjury and became unfit to hold office a sad end.

I have to say I would be rather annoyed to lose my well paid job because of the actions of others, but there you go.

“It is lance the boil time or lose your jobs”

Personally, I think it is far too late for that. The trust in the party is now gone and the sense of betrayal from it has already began to set in. Too many yes supporters have moved on.

The party are finished and the leadership, MPs and MSPs must know it because they took it, willingly or unwillingly, to its present precarious state. They did this either by actively cooperating in its destruction or by failing to stop it.

This precarious state of the party cannot be blamed exclusively on the leadership. Had the MPs and MSPs rebelled and defied the whip ‘en masse’ and the leadership would not have stood a chance in hell. Alternatively, they could have left the SNP and stood as independent, like Mr Angus Brendan McNeil or Ms Ferrier. They chose the easy ride.

Willingly or unwillingly, they all indulged the bad actors while these irreversibly destroyed the party for the benefit of the British state, and the electorate’s confidence in it. Now it is time for them to reap what they sowed.

Personally, I hope all the SNP MPs and MSPs lose their seats. Because what exactly have they delivered with all those huge majorities other than laughing at us for 8 years?

Not a thing.

Alba with just two MPs have risen far more awareness and have fought much more for Scotland’s independence than the 40 something SNP MPs and MSPs put together, with the exception of Ms Regan.

Failure to deliver and betrayal of voters should be rewarded with the p45, not another 5 years of a useless, but comfortable green seat tenure, a nice pension and perks.

We should be alert to the SNP promises by now. Scotland will access the International Bond Market for funds. Read the small print. By the end of this Parliamentary Session so to me and you 2026. Source Scottish Government website. Scotland will freeze the Council Tax year. Not signed off by the Cabinet including their Green Partners. Cost 350 million. Source Humza and Shona over a pizza the night before. I am all in favour of supporting Amateur Dramatics but unfunded gimmicks for one more mandate are insulting the intelligence of the electorate. See Liz Truss.

“there are no powerful politicians who are willing to put the sovereignty of the Scottish people to the test.”

If they want careers as UK politicians swearing allegiance to the UK head of state, that’s up to them: but don’t give them your vote.

I think Humza would rather have a full body wax before he went through another conference like that again.

A Scot Abroad says:
19 October, 2023 at 8:12 pm
James Che,

there’s no such thing as “the sovereignty of Scottish voters”.

In 2012 the House of Commons accepted a motion recognising “the sovereign right of the Scottish people to determine the form of government best suited to their needs.”

@A Scot Abroad 8:12pm
The history of the UK Electoral system FPTP is strewn with examples of new political parties washing up on the shores. Alba will lose their 2 MPs. Hence the concentration of Alba on the Scottish Parliamentary Elections. The vagaries of the D’Hondt system which is why we had 6 Scottish Socialist members originally in the Rainbow Parliament. Now we have questionable politics from the Scottish Greens. They will go as well. Labour will win the General Election and the Scottish Parliamentary Elections. But that leaves a void and it won’t be filled by the SNP. Don’t you just love Tony Blair.

O/T: the “winners” of the SNP internal elections have been reported on Yours for Scotland. I could only see the names of 2 Good Guys but plenty of Bad Guys e.g. Mike Russell, Marco Biagi, Ian Cockburn, and Graham Campbell. 599 voted for Mike Russell – mind you that’s 100 plus parliamentarians and their spads.

Timothy Rideout didn’t get much support. Unbelievable – or it should be.

Tenruh @ 9:07 pm

“Do the voting g numbers reflect the amount of attendees? If so it was max around 700”

Mostly just the payroll left it seems, the British state payroll.

When the stuff come away with passes the point of i agree or disagree with to being funny and folk laughing at them i am afraid it is over.

I circulate is a couple of groups and the common theme is laughing at gender reform given the borders case, referendums and humza.

They have become a joke. I dont think there us a return from being a joke

Persephone Books have just published “Sofia Petrovna” written in Russia in 1939-40. Sofia “sees the horror of Stalin’s Purges unfolding against a background of complete and utter ordinariness. Deeply loyal to Mother Russia, Sofia begins by thinking that the arrests, the cruel incompetence of officials, are all a mistake. Even when her son is arrested she continues to believe in Stalin’s benevolence. Yet she grows increasingly bewildered and cannot understand what is happening.”

“The author wrote in 1979 “..I tried to show that society had been poisoned as completely as an army might be poisoned by noxious fumes..I expressly meant to write a book about a society gone mad; poor Sofia is…a personification of those who seriously believed that what took place was rational and just. “We don’t imprison people for no reason”. Lose that faith, and you’re lost..””

For Stalin, read Sturgeon. For Mother Russia, read SNP. Cruel incompetence of officials – sinking schools, ferries, drug treatment, self-id prisoners to women’s prisons etc etc. Arrests – Mark Hirst, Craig Murray, the women who argue for women’s and children’s safety.

Rev, you might call in at Persephone Books, 8 Edgar Buildings, and tell them they have just published a book that reflects Scotland in the Sturgeon and Yousaf years.

I would firstly like to apologize to any women who read this comment. As a man I would, could never really understand this.

The next stop for Transvestites is the HRT clinic.

Well, thank the lord

This momentous day is over.

We came so close.

I think our failure today can only be placed with the decision to put the whole process in the hands of the NEC and the party executive.

No ifs, plenty of butts.

Kirsten Oswald needs help.

Oh dear, how sad, never mind.

Paul@

Well Paul Your a better man than me.
My attitude towards them is;

‘Let them lie in their ain pish’

Waking up to news of Joe Biden asking Congress for $100 BILLION to fund the war in YooKrane and the international war crimes of targeting civilians in Gaza.

I know it’s small potatoes given the US National debt of $33 Trillion, except it isn’t. It’s a hundred billion dollars. Buys a lot of death, and lines the pockets of the lucky few in a weapons based economy.

To date, the US has given $77 billion to Yookrane, with most of it now reduced to smouldering scrap metal.

What exactly are they planning to do to Gaza’s population, half of whom are children? 47.3% are under 18, but that figure is pre the genocidal war crimes which targeted military strikes on civilians and hospitals.

Here’s a thought… do you think bad things happen in America because your average American is just like your average Scot, and fed a never-ending diet of absolute toxic garbage and disinformation by it’s corrupt media?

We value our world of free choice, but there’s the trick, isn’t it? By the time you get to exercise that “free” choice, the con is already deeply embedded. To misquote I-robot… “The responses are limited…when you only ask the right questions…”

Here’s a toast to America and Scotland, and the day when the people take back command and control of their own country from the warmongering thieves and parasites bleeding them dry.

I wonder if that English wanker Martin Bell (ex BBC), will be pleading with the UK public to donate £32 to Unicef to help the children of Gaza?

He’s not shy in asking for £32 for the children of Uk-raine in his TV appearances.

Or doesn’t he think the kids of Gaza are worthy enough?

Fuck that bastard Bell and the establishment he is the mouthpiece for.

I’m waiting on the White Helmets making an appearance in the rubble of Gaza any time now.

Patronising English bastards the lot of them.

@ Ron Clark

You had forgotten to put dirty before English and spit after b@st@rds

ROFLMAO.

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Breeks says: 20 October, 2023 at 6:29 am

Waking up to news of Joe Biden asking Congress for $100 BILLION to fund the war in YooKrane and the international war crimes of targeting civilians in Gaza.

I know it’s small potatoes given the US National debt of $33 Trillion, except it isn’t. It’s a hundred billion dollars. Buys a lot of death, and lines the pockets of the lucky few in a weapons based economy.

To date, the US has given $77 billion to Yookrane, with most of it now reduced to smouldering scrap metal.

Biden is trying to create a legacy for himself, both at the expense of US taxpayers and the death of tens of thousands of innocent people.

The arrogance of senile old men.

@ Breeks

I’ve not been engaging with anything to do with this additional ( to the Proxy War ) chapter in the Book of Nightmares ; it just sickens n angers me too much . Almost impossible to avoid exposure to it , though , despite the attempt to do so , eg seeing all the ( narratively compliant ) front pages in shops etc .

The constant , blatant lying , the distortions of reality , the mangling of language n the revolting complicity of the MSM & spineless , head-nodding pond-life that comprise the * West’s * Political Class .

Like it’s Culture Wars demented mirror image – where * reality * can be anything sanctioned by Corporate interests and delusional , mentally imbalanced cultists ( what is the insane TWAW mantra if not the compulsive denial of reality characteristic of all cults ? ) – actual Bodies-Atomised-By-Munitions ( children included ) War is an arena for psychopaths & ghouls , who , themselves never go near the carnage , never themselves witness the horror, but pontificate about utterly hollow abstract nouns ..eg .. ” Democracy ” hahahahahahahahahahahahaha ( what democratic say was/is there in the decisions to spend incalculable ( and * unaccountable * , lol ) amounts of PUBLIC MONEY funding/fuelling mass death in foreign countries , rejecting at every opportunity ceasefires , diplomacy and – above all – any honest recognition of the causes of whatever conflicts are raging .

So we have the * unprovoked * invasion of You Crane and – imminently , the * justified * invasion of Gaza . Now Iran is in the cross-hairs of the agents of Perpetual Wars . There is no limit to or check on their depravity in pursuit of profit . None

That’s the only adjectives required – ” Unprovoked ” and ” Justified ” , ok , let’s through in ” Defensive ” too .

Forget history , ancient & modern , none of * that * happened ; the world is made anew with every * justified * conflict , every new advanced weapon system ; history rewritten , if not completely ignored , and ” we ” are always the good guys , the ” defenders of civilised values ” .

Aye , so we ur , we’re fckn great in’t we ? I mean , look at our great Leaders of the ( don’t laugh ) ” Free World ” ( ok , laugh ) eg Bent Joe Bidet , a dottery auld crook who doesn’t know what fckn day it is or where he is at any given time ; Rishi Rich Sunak – a City of London byte made entirely of quantitatively-eased faeces and glib monetary cliche : La Belle France – former land of Liberte , Egalite , Fraternity – governed by another little man ie Macron , who has now criminalised any public support for Palestine – let’s add Hypocrisie to that now merely notional trinity of national self-regard a la Franciais .

No need to go on , they really are ” all the same ” .

And , aye , Breeks , what IS keeping the hole-in-the-heart Nu SNP ” project ” ( just about ) functioning , seemingly immune from SERIOUS journalistic examination or censure ; what’s keeping the corpse alive ?

Hard to say with certainty , but I’m pretty sure it’s connected with the same ” mechanism ” that allowed the conspiring , perjuring , malicious bastards involved in the attempted political assassination of Alex Salmond to walk away unscathed – in some cases rewarded – without so much as a slap of the wrist and granted life-long anonymity .

What a fuckn stitch-up , eh ?

“A Scot Abroad says:
19 October, 2023 at 11:55 pm
Sam, at 8:45pm,

The 2012 motion was in Holyrood, not Westminster. The Westminster motion was in 2018.

But both are meaningless: gesture politics.”

No, ASA.

The 2012 motion was passed in Holyrood. It was debated in 2012 in Westminster. Not passed. It was also debated in 2016 and 2018 in WM.
In the 2016 debate reference was made to named unionist politicians who had signed the 1989 Claim of Right. This Claim of Right declares the sovereignty of the Scottish people. It was signed by all Labour MPs bar Tam Dalyell, all Lib Dem MPs.

The Claim of Right was signed at the General Assembly Hall, on the Mound in Edinburgh – on 30 March 1989 by 58 of Scotland’s 72 Members of Parliament, 7 of Scotland’s 8 MEPs, 59 out of 65 Scottish regional, district and island councils, and numerous political parties, churches and other civic organisations, e.g., trade unions.

Reference was also made to the earlier Claim of Right in 1689. This is not “gesture politics”.It remains justiciable, witness its use in Joanna Cherry’s judicial review of the prorogation of parliament by boris Johnson

Joe Biden reminds us of the old men that used to run the politburo in the days of the declining Soviet Union.

The Soviets got trounced in Afghanistan. And years later so did the Yanks.

Internally the USA is ripping itself apart. Dangerous times as the USA launches into supporting another war. With reports that there have been attacks on the US fleet mobikized to the middle east, and with attacks on US bases in Iraq and Syria the stall looks set. The Muslim world is hardening up.

And over in the Ukraine Russia has stated that it is not prepared to allow American long range missiles to be fired deep into Russia.

And China, the US has a fleet in and around that theatre too. What if that starts to heat up.

Profoundly frightening times. Quite how Sunak can declare to Netanyahu that Israel has his absolute support and that he hopes Israel will win.

No one wins in situations like this. But there is comfort in the old line ” Dulce et decorum et in pro patria mori ”

No doubt many are about to, and already are finding that out.

This US story rarely gets aired on the MSM. It’s really important and a big piece of the current jigsaw. I first came across it in the 80s, I think in The Atlantic magazine but can’t find it now. Grist keeps it going.

it’s also why I see for-prophet protestants as leaning anti-environmental.

Despite the url, it is nothing to do with the S N P, probably.

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