Now The Traffic Lights Change
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October 19, 2023 by
Rev. Stuart Campbell
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Probably a robbery
Transphobia
Aye how sad it could have been it should have been.
Alba is the only hope the SNP are of course at the end.
I hope still for independence but I now have my doubts.
On the electoral roll
Photo ID ready
Where the fuck is the polling station?
tomorrow, today!- the future arrives …
vote early and vote often
if your postal vote did not arrive, then go down to holyrood in person, put your name and address on an envelope with a big YES INDY on it, then hand it into the security guy
out of this shithole by tuesday, central bank, full tax revenues, wednesday
corporate experts in change management have been hired to facilitate it, for the cost of a ferry; jpm are doing us a powerpoint on their proposed “scottish hardcoin” – a bitcoin backed by energy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnnnLB2Z6ew
Indy 2 today. No ifs no buts! This is a day that should shame Sturgeon and her merry band of thick sycophants. I genuinely believe we might have been in a negotiation period with Westminster if we had the right people in charge. However after 9 years all we got was a toxic GRA bill. Hide your head in shame Sturgeon!
Ah wid greet if ah hud the energy eftir being burned oot fae the deadening, numbing weight ay expectations n hopes crushed jist once too often.
God damn the lot of them to eternal hell.
I already voted by post and it’s no secret I voted ‘Yes’.
It was difficult growing up in a family of unionists who would never listen to reason. I understand that they also voted by post…all 19,000 of them.
Brilliant! Bravo!
Great Song.
One of your best YouTube posts.
Del Amitri: WHITE!
A canny wait fur the results tae be published YES,YES ,YES
Nicla will now introduce her ENERGY COMPANY alongside the referendum result
I’m just hoping that we’re gettting better at figuring out we’re being felt. On the bright aide it only seemed to takes us 9 years to notice that the SNP were the New Scottish Labour.
what with the weather an aw’ it would be a poor turn oot.
There are big, burly men at polling places in the borders. Not to mention strange looking white discs floating in the sky above Glasgow Green. There are rumours we may be about to get invaded. The Scottish Government has made a solemn vow that everything will be different on Friday morning.
Source: SNP press release
I wonder if Ms Sturgeon even recalls that there was something she was going to do today … like go to a Polling Station.
Or whether it’ll just be another day with the ghost writer getting on with the forgotten memoirs.
“like go to a Polling Station.”
typo alert – polis station surley
It’s time to wake up and realise that all the toys in the playground are broken. Craig Murray is the closest thing there is to an insurrectionist and one man won’t get us very far. There’s nobody in Scotland or even the UK who is able to wield political power. The Tories are just lining their pockets, while they can, while everything stagnates and decays. The clowns in Holyrood are just keeping the seats warm while they eye up the next rung on the ladder. They simply have no understanding of their position and what to do with it. Oct 19th 2023 arrives with not even a shrug of the shoulders, apart from the Revs, rather excellent, video. If you ever wondered what learned helplessness meant – you’re living in it.
What a bloody waste of opportunity after opportunity.
‘The referendum day came and went and nothing happened..Within the SNP hierarchy, there was a shiver and a whimper, and that was all..’
After 2014, the SNP had chance after chance, yet at every turn they ran away from standing up for Scotland. I mean, we should understand, shouldn’t we? They have their careers to think of, FFS.
Such a parcel of rogues, a parcel of lying, deceitful b*st*rds, a parcel of careerist, gravy-train riding, talentless nobodies, in a nation.
I could weep.
When do we expect the result?
How apposite that we hear the voice of Justin Currie of Del Amitri to end this saddest of periods of Scottish history. I seem to remember he was a NO voter. No wonder nothing ever changed at all.
https://judiciary.scot/home/sentences-judgments/sentences-and-opinions/2023/10/18/hma-v-andrew-miller
Above is link to the court judgement against Andrew George Miller. The detail of the abduction and sexual abuse on an eleven year old girl is horrific.
Absolutely horrific. And in our SNP Woke World Miller is the type of detritus our SNP government wants to encourage, cosset, promote and protect. It’s the Scottish Ministers who should be getting 28 years
But read the judgement. Learn the horrible realities.
Can’t deny it. I’m excited as fuck. Been to vote already . Flew home early from a mini break last night just to vote. Anyway got a case of beer on chill and a bottle to watch the resluts programme on the telly and looking so forward to celebrate the result our nations independence. We’ll done Nicola, John , Mairi, Mike not forgetting you big Eck, a special thanks for all the groundwork you done and handing over a fit and healthy party , primed and ready to govern an independent Scotland.
So what time is best to go to the polling station. I’m kooking for one last selfie with MURREL AND STURGEON ! ?
I was up at the crack of dawn(lucky dawn)to vote at my local school.
Everything thing in darkness. I couldn’t get in.
Very strange.
If ever a video told a story… Thanks, Revd. Stu, for hitting the nail on the head every time. This deserves to be shared far and wide, not least with the hingers on. It’s already taken us far too long to twig. Time to wake up, folks.
Thought I’d come to terms with what’s she’s done and all I felt towards her and her ilk was anger, but that just made me cry. How utterly heartbreaking
Nicola is obviously re-launching her political career. She’s not going to face any charges from Branchform and all her buddies will pave her way back into the fold.
Get used ti it. Scotland under control of one populist personality cult narcissist after another.
Public service and integrity has been all but burned out of Holyrood. I know it is mockingly referred to as a Town Council, because of the depressingly low calibre and pettiness, but that’s not far off the truth.
So exciting! I thought this day would never come. Ah well, a quick cuppie then it’s off to the polling station. I never received a card this time, which is very strange. But Hey Ho. Apparently you can still vote if you bring ID. Wonderful. Thanks, Nicola – I knew you wouldn’t let us down.
If memory serves, Scotland has Polling Places, not polling stations.
Being aged, my memory may be failing though.
Another work of art from Stu.
Excellent.
Scots eh, wha’s like them?
They’ll swallow any auld shite. Lol.
What a shocking video, from the perspective of an independence party who became a political party. Time to start again and move on once more.
Its reached a stage now when i holiday abroad and hear a Scots accent, i have f**k all to do with them ( like i dae at hame) when i find they are of a certain persuasion.
‘May posterity forget that you were ever our countrymen’
Samuel Adams 1776
Haven’t you heard it’s not polling cards that you need it’s carrots.
Take them down to Holyrood and place then on the wall in an X shape
If you are not close to Holyrood just get a friend to vote for you.
https://tinyurl.com/5efe2vrr
Or you could just put on your carrots crossed tee-shirt.
https://tinyurl.com/yc4fp6bs
Local school is closed today in preparation for voting – I wish.
I was going to thank you Stu but there is little point in thanking you for utterly depressing me.
That was a bitter watch/listen , Stu ; perfect juxtaposition nonetheless ; given extra rage-factor by the recurring image of that fckn worthless cow Sturgeon being adulated by the mind-warped , impervious-to-truth zombie cultists just the other day , the Fraud wallowing in it as if it was her divine right , as if she’d achieved ANYTHING to merit it , when , in fact , she has done more damage to our country than any other FM/Politician in recent times- truly repulsive .
” Send in the clowns
Don’t bother , they’re here ” .
This is not the occasion to criticise ALBA – the people there done the right thing , the honourable thing ; but FFS no more talk of ” working with the SNP ” or such – well-meaning – bollocks .
Fckn end them , show them no quarter , they have betrayed the hopes n dreams of those that have shown them immense faith and loyalty – many of whom will never live to see our country liberated – they have broken those dreams , along with our hearts and filled our mouths with ashes .
No progress to our goal will be possible until the scourge of Nu SNP is eradicated , wiped-out , consigned to the sewer of History , where it belongs
On the plus side, absolutely no one voted No in this referendum.
So Nicola promises us a referendum on 19th October. “Save the date!”. She then inexplicably goes to the UK Supreme Court and begs permission. She gets turned down flat and sent on her way. Ah well, she tried. What a hero.
Do you ever get that sinking feeling that you have been played?
P*ssing down out there. Don’t think I’ll bother. There’ll soon be a General Election anyway, and all we need do is vote SNP again and job done.
Aye, Sturgeon, Robertson, Swinney and Blackford made sure via the capture of the SNP that nothing was going to happen.
“F*ck all betrayers” indeed Rev, but unfortunately I suspect that these betrayers will be handsomely rewarded by the UK Government.
Looks like the people of Scotland will have to pay as always most likely with an SNP wipeout at WM and then the SNP loosing control at Holyrood with a BritNat Coalition Government sold as the end of Indy and the cure for all that ills Scotland by a rapturous MSM while internal migration continues to benefit the BritNat demographic!
Brexit, the best chance we ever had squandered by these cretinous political no marks.
🙁
21 March 2022: The National front page headline:
“SNP REFUTE CLAIM 2023 INDYREF IS UNLIKELY”
Further comment not necessary.
When Salmond was running the SNP the strategy was to demonstrate that Scots could govern themselves competently giving people the confidence to vote for Independence.
Well it does not take a genius to work out that strategy could just as well work the other way… by governing incompetently you will erode that confidence.
But of course no one really considered the possibility that someone would aim to govern badly, horrifically you could even say.
Well hello, Nicola Rodent. The biggest rat Scotland has seen in a very long time.
The continuity candidate with her grubby little husband bringing in the spooks because of Russian hackers… FFS they must think folk button up the back, and maybe they do.
Stop and think, the guy who wrote the Vow and deceived thousands of people on the most important day in our history is now the CEO of the SNP.
It is a fucking joke and they are laughing at us. Rubbing our noses in it.
Enjoy your indyref2 vote today….
Bit windy and wet so won’t go out just yet but rest assured I will be out later no matter the weather.
I don’t know what you are all talking about. I sent in my postal vote weeks along with my £50 administration fee. However I did think it strange the postal votes were being in held in Nigeria for counting.
I know I keep saying this but it’s important
We’ve already got the toxic, absolutely bonkers GRA bill thanks to the Westminster Government and our NO voters.
Sturgeon & the First Prick are absolutely 100% behind Westminster GRA 2004 bill.
They are so behind it they even want to reform it do away with doctors and just let folk diagnose themselves and even write their own prescriptions. They want to make all plastic surgery available on the NHS. You want bigger boobs, smaller boobs, no boobs, laser hair removal, beard growing drugs, hair implants,a hysterectomy, your cock turned into fake fanny, etc etc you just need to say the magic words I am trans.
Don’t worry about it nobody knows what trans is so nobody can prove whether you are or aren’t trans.
As a matter of fact nobody knows what a woman is either so if you guys want to put on a dress and be a woman you are perfectly free to do so.
Nobody knows what a man is either and that is why you can put on a dress & hey presto you are a woman.
The First Prick’s bill is called the Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill
GRRB Scotland for short.
Here’s the thing about the GRRB Scotland is that every other party at Holyrood supports this bill. OK the Tories don’t support some parts of the Scottish bill however they are 100% behind the GRA 2004 which is equally bonkers and wastes doctors time asking them to diagnose …… who knows, a fetish?
Quite why the GRA 2004 still needs a medical diagnosis is beyond me. Transgenderism was originally considered ‘a mental illness’ but now it is ‘perfectly normal’ so quite why they need to see a doctor is a mystery.
Self-id is probably best.
I wonder if those people who believe they are Napoleon, Queen Victoria or even God are now off the hook and not at risk of being sectioned?
Lecture over…..for now!
Great video maybe kne day it will be real,
SNP definitely are finished as this marks the end of their deception.
Alba is the kmly hope now, but it will take years for them to command enough seats in Holyrood.
I no discount Westminster, and if ghe do stand candidates there and win, I hopenthey don’t take up the position in Westminster but go to Holyrood.
George Ferguson @ 09.17
Nice one George.
10am today. Radio 4.
.
“Since 2015 Dr Lisa Cameron was the SNP MP for East Kilbride, Strathaven and Lesmahagow – until a week ago when she decided to join the Conservative Party. She has described the move as equivalent to leaving an abusive marriage. In her first radio interview, she joins Emma to discuss what led to her making this decision. “
“A closer look at the timeline of the decline in SNP support offers some clues as to why the party has lost ground. At the beginning of this year, the party’s support still stood on average at the 45% it secured in 2019. It slipped a little in the wake of the row about gender recognition, a measure that only a minority of voters backed, but was still running at 43% when Ms Sturgeon announced her resignation. But between then and the announcement of Mr Yousaf’s victory in the leadership contest, support for the SNP fell by five points to 38%.
In contrast, despite the dramatic pictures and headlines, the arrest of Mr Murrell had no discernible impact on the party’s standing in the polls, though the subsequent arrest of Ms Sturgeon was followed by a two-point drop to 36%, the level at which the party’s support currently stands.
This timeline points to two principal suspects for the SNP’s difficulties – the outcome of the leadership contest and perceptions of party unity. The new First Minister is certainly less popular than his predecessor, while so far there is little sign of any improvement in his popularity…”
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/mr-yousafs-conference-challenge/
Yet another “If only” Day past the stage of violent demos.
Yousaf: SHIMS OF SCOTLAND, I am Humza Yousaf (he/him).
Young activist: Humza Yousaf (he/him) is 7 feet tall!
Yousaf: Yes, I’ve heard. Wins by-elections by the hundreds, and if HE were here he’d consume the English with spicy Tweets from his phone and TikToks from his arse.
I AM Humza Yousaf (he/him). And I see a whole army of… white people… here in defiance of tyranny. You have come to fight as free trans, and free trans you are. What would you do without transgender hormones? Will you fight?
Veteran activist: Fight? Against that? No, we will seethe; and we will dilate.
Yousaf: Aye, fight and you may die. Run and you’ll seethe — at least a while. And dilating in your beds many years from now, would you be willing to trade ALL the days from this day to that for one chance, JUST ONE CHANCE, to come back here and tell our enemies… that they may take our motorhome, but they’ll never take… OUR PRONOUNS!!!
Humza and Activists: Gaza gu bra! (Gaza forever!
Ruby – of interest?
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/gender-distress-treatment-in-young-people-a-highly-charged-debate-1.4602455
Its interesting, or rather more predictable, how this Big Day has been totally ignored by the Media.
Unionists happily choosing to avoid the teasing and the taunting and content to just sit there smugly knowing all things remain exactly as they like them.
Meanwhile SNP disciples are all busy away elsewhere talking about how that was a lovely standing ovation for Nicola, wasn’t it?
Alba need to offer something the other political parties aren’t.
Maybe they should check out Posie Parker’s ‘Woman’s Party’
My spellchecker did a number on your post. Hope that’s OK.
“God damn the lot of them to eternal hell.”
I’m with steph @ 12.52.
Some things are unforgivable, and my list is getting longer by the day.
Thank you posters, after the first National screenshot with NS pic, I really couldna watch further.
Read the posts while listening to Del Amitri (Irony – a corruption of the Greek name Dimitri)
As above Salmon knew get the place working better & it makes it easier to vote for Indy.
As a life long Indy believer/supporter (big sick as f##k imoji ) I really would struggle to vote for Indy today.
I would but it would not be easy.
I really thought NS was ideal as she would convert many of the “I dinna like that AS”
She would have 100% support & guidance from AS on the sidelines etc
Role reversal but could do a great job.
Clearly the visit by AS in April 2015? Or was 2016 ? No matter. NS clearly told AS to eff off I’m in charge so but out ……..etc etc
From there……..we arrive today with a mess that would be hard to grasp in 2014
NS has overseen a Scot Gvt that has operated as bad a Lib/Lab or possibly worse.
Was it Chubby Brown who sang “Am as sick as f##k”
F##kity f##k !
Free Beer Tomorrow….Now where have I heard that before ??
Frank Gillougley @ 6:52 am
“I seem to remember he was a NO voter”
We first have to understand the psychology of the colonial ‘condition’ and the colonised mind(set) to appreciate why certain native groups reject their own liberation:
View: YT@IndependenceLive MA: Doun Hauden – A Psychology of Nationhood
Where is the deep analysis of why the SNP haven’t delivered? The assumption is that they sold out. What if they made promises they couldn’t deliver? Gee, that’d be the first time a politician did that eh? The parallels between you and English political bloggers are very close. You forget that success needs multiple things, not all of them achievable by Scotland alone.
Enthusiasm and will are the easiest to get. Tick, you’ve got that in spades.
The next hardest is to get acceptance in the external bodies, like the EU and even Westminster, that you will need on your side in the future. The EU would never accept a Scotland that used a basic election to tear up the membership of a union. If you could do it once, you and other political parties could do it again. And again.
Particularly difficult is to negotiate through the legal minefields, inhabited by very clever people who live to thwart change. Revolutions do just that but rarely end well.
The hardest of all is competence. All countries seem to be at the mercy of the talentless numpties we elect. Has it occurred to you that politics and capability don’t go hand in hand? Just like companies, countries need to be driven by logic rather than emotion, to succeed. Instead of plans for how a free Scotland will spend the extra cash, shouldn’t there be plans on how to build a frugal government that can deliver even if there is less cash to splash? That doesn’t have to wait for a referendum.
I admire you guys for your enthusiasm but…
Debatable Lands @7:55am
OMG, but you’re right. That long hug from the sycophant was proof positive that the party needs the Dear Leader to return. Yousaf was just keeping the seat warm in case others tried to grab it. It’s obvious that was the plan all along. I wonder why nobody blabbed.
Prepare for a new complaint and see Salmond tried before only a judge. You know she’s the vindictive type.
This piece about the actual condition of the British state cannot be read often enough.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/01/will-britain-survive/621095/
Even the pragmatic, cynical British establishment does not believe in the «thing itself».
Independence will click in as the only viable option for Scotland when the usefuls of Scottish Unionism eventually loose their blind faith.
The British system is functionally lazy. Other than retaining Scotland for its territory no one in London is actually interested in the place.
This moth eaten empire is on the way out. Mind the bed bugs!
And zero fucks are given by NS, it’s £5k jackpot in the national at the local Mecca bingo and she will be heading down there with her maw tonight.
And to think of all the suckers who despite her and pistol Pete’s sniggering performances at the Fabiani inquiry still couldn’t see through her and believed her about Indy and voted them in again. You’ve been had. If it hadn’t been for the monumental fuck up that was the GRRB many would still be voting SNP.
Red 9.53
Now that is VERY VERY witty.
Applause.
The only political truth is satire, indeed.
“Pat Blake says:
19 October, 2023 at 10:35 am
Where is the deep analysis of why the SNP haven’t delivered? The assumption is that they sold out. What if they made promises they couldn’t deliver?”
Look here at what the SNP is up against.
“There is a gradient to health inequalities. At the bottom are those of lowest socioeconomic status. At the top of the gradient, those of highest socioeconomic status. On average,t he richest will live longer than those below and will have lives free from disability for longer than those below.
Health inequalities are avoidable and do not occur randomly or by chance.They are socially determined and are largely beyond individual control. They are unfair, disadvantaging the poorest, damaging their health and shortening their lives. They are enormously costly economically and in terms of lost potential for society as a whole.”
The research by Scott-Samuel et al points to the importance of the social and economic determinants of health. It says that Thatcher’s legacy includes the unnecessary and premature deaths of many British citizens, with Scotland being particularly affected, together with a substantial and continuing burden of suffering and loss of well-being.
Here is the link to it.
https://www.research.ed.ac.uk/en/publications/the-impact-of-thatcherism-on-health-and-well-being-in-britain
Writing about the “Glasgow effect” , a term he finds unhelpful, Professor Walsh says that the difference between Glasgow and the cities of Liverpool and Manchester is that Glasgow’s population was made more vulnerable to the important influences on population health. These are, he says, poverty, deprivation, deindustrialisation and economic decisions taken at UK level.
https://www.gcph.co.uk/latest/news/641_the_glasgow_effect_and_the_scottish_effect_unhelpful_terms_which_have_now_lost_their_meaning
From this link it can be seen that research concludes that the fundamental causes of health inequalities are the unfair and unequal distributions of wealth, power and income within the population.
https://research-portal.uws.ac.uk/en/publications/health-inequalities-fundamental-causes-and-power-towards-the-prac
Scots are having poor health and early, premature, unjust deaths as a result of UK socio-economic policies for decades and before Thatcher.
We are held in a vice-like grip by the UK elite from which there is little possibility of escape.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/23603123.new-legal-opinion-outlines-international-routes-independence/
If Sturgeon had a shred of decency or integrity, (which she doesn’t), she should launch her attempted political resurrection by setting up her own Political Party with Gender Reform as it’s raison d’être, and clear the field for those few left in the SNP who actually support Scottish Independence.
She doesn’t, and she won’t, of course, and the Independence Movement will soldier on, labouring under the unnecessary burden of Gender Reform delinquency and tr3ach3rous absurdity, which will plague Scotland for decades, largely because many sober and rational voters who would back Indy, will not be able to stomach voting for a bunch of charlatan opportunists and perverts.
She won’t separate the issues because she was the disingenuous moron and political reprobate who was responsible for intertwining the two. She was the midwife who delivered it, because she knew full well the Perverts Charter needed the buoyancy of Scottish Independence to keep it afloat. But my god, what a price the Independence Movement in Scotland has had to pay.
Having read Paul Kavanagh’s take on the SNP Conference, (don’t trouble yourself, seriously… don’t), and Lesley Riddoch’s wittering horseshit on the same subject, it’s beginning to look like the SNP must burn to ash at a molecular level before there’s any possibility of a Phoenix rising from this …. this… this…. Sorry, I just don’t have a word to describe this tragic mess that’s adequately grim and dripping with enough anger.
Very low turn out in this No Ifs No Buts Indyref so far.
It must be the weather.
TURABDIN @ 10:43 am
“This piece about the actual condition of the British state cannot be read often enough.”
It is an interesting read, though like many bourgeoisie from south of the border rather limited culturally or historically on the matter of Scots or Scotland.
McTague’s emphasis on the importance of national identity was spot on though, as for sure ‘nothing else matters’ in the constitutional question:
“Unless people in Scotland believe that they are also British and that the British government and state is their government and state, nothing else matters.”
….albeit his rationale for this and the ‘creation’ of national identity did not quite extend to consider the most critical factors at play here, i.e. a fowk’s ain naitional cultur an langage whit aye gies thaim thair ain naitional consciousness an identity:
View:
YT@IndependenceLive MA: Doun Hauden – A Psychology of Nationhood
This is my 2nd go at responding. The other posts seems to have disappeared. Apologies if the following appears twice.
Cheers Sam. Yes it is of interest but I have read pretty much the same thing a few times already.
My view is as always
No sex changes
No woman face
No boy/girl face
(by that I mean no dressing your innocent son up as a girl or you daughter up as a boy)
No heavy duty drugs
No life changing surgeries
(no castrations, no female sterilisations, no female genital mutilations & no mastectomies)
Doctors who claim babies are born in the wrong body should be struck off.
The other doctors need to find a better cure for gender dysphoria whatever that is. It seems it can be anything from autism to same sex attraction.
PS I’ve archived your link. Some people get touchy about direct links & because it will always be there should we want to read it again more carefully.
@ Breeks at 11.11am:
“it’s beginning to look like the SNP must burn to ash at a molecular level before there’s any possibility of a Phoenix rising from this …. this… this…. Sorry, I just don’t have a word to describe this tragic mess that’s adequately grim and dripping with enough anger.”
Can I help you out? Howsabout ‘almighty clusterfuck’?
I recall so many Sturgeon disciples discussing Indyref2 after it was announced like it was a done deal. That act went on for a few weeks at least. It happening, done deal blah blah blah… utter shite.
They are total frauds these people. It was obvious it was never going to happen even back then for reasons laid out on here.
Instead the party is being run by the author of the Vow. Just when you thought it could not sink any lower than Grubber Murrell the SNP are like… hold my beer.
All those wankers who talked about it like it was set in stone for weeks on end… total silence from them on it today. Just pretending it is like any other day… I can’t stand them I really can’t. Thick, phoney ar$eholes to a man and woman. Totally hijacked and ruined the SNP post 2014. All aided and abetted by Nicky and Peter who opened the sluice gates and let them overrun the party replacing the decent folk with the dregs.
sam, excuses. Scotland is not poor by international or historic measures. What the NHS money is spent on is diluted by add ons. Quite rightly, the people here resent the rise in transgender stupidity and that kind of social indulgence costs money. Huge amounts of money could be saved for essential health care and other services if we (Scotland and the rest of the UK) ditched the social gold plating. Diversity officers, pride week, rainbow posters, etc, etc, etc all cost money but don’t prevent a single cancer or cure a disease. There’s not even evidence that they prevent self harm.
People don’t get fat or become an alcoholic or an addict because they’re poor. It’s because they enjoy the things that get them there. Eventually there may be drugs that can prevent those things but until then only self control prevents them. Is that the difference between the rich and the poor? Is there more pressure on a rich person to stop their bad habits? I know that my Mum only stopped smoking because my Dad threatened to divorce her. She only started because it was socially encouraged and cheap.
Pinning the hopes for a successful Scotland on a bottomless purse is a plan for failure.
Brilliant!
That has definitely got to go in our Art Exhibition.
Maybe just needs tidying up a bit with some blockquotes
😉 🙂
There’s no difference between Tories lining their pockets and the SNP, with Labour already shaping up to get their snouts back into the trough.
Everywhere governance has expanded from the size of the cabinet, to every last committee, spad and quango. While political interference further infests previous more independent institutions – law, policing, media, health, education. All the way down to hiring sex pests to access kids in the libraries.
And all with competence dropping alarmingly throughout, and an ever revolving door of failed politicians picking up professorships, and directorships they are nowhere nearly qualified to attract.
It downfall of Rome stuff.
Ever heard of stress eating or drowning you sorrows with alcoholic.
It’s very stressful being poor & soul destroying living in a colony.
I predict a vote less draw.
The SNP itself is a portent warning us of what happens when you replace people who were selected based on competence with people selected based on woke ideologies and quotas. For a while things hold together but then suddenly completely fall apart.
The US military has apparently done exactly this and gone very woke resulting in a major recruitment crisis. And it not just the military, it is in areas like air traffic controllers, pilots… and these folks are often not competent. It is a recipe for disaster… and it is already happening.
I am praying they re-introduce conscription just for the lolz seeing the reactions of the latest generation of woke bubbleheads as that news sinks in…
Can someone do the honours of trolling the folk at WGD about the Indyref2 today & how they voted. if you’ve previously commented there,just for fun. I just tried & they’ve locked down access to comment by facebook& wordpress. Go on, it would make my day and many others just for a laugh to see their response or even post that National front page & that would do the trick. Might aswell have a bit of fun with it, you know!
“People don’t get fat or become an alcoholic or an addict because they’re poor.”
Total incomprehension on your part. There is research across the world that points to socioeconomic conditions, poverty and inequality being the drivers of poor health and early deaths.
“Excuses” my arse.Read something and learn before you open your gob.
“Drugs are the main contributor to inequalities in mortality, and together with alcohol harm and suicides make up 65% of absolute inequalities in mortality…
..deaths among young men are increasing from preventable causes. Attempts to reduce external causes of mortality have focused on a single cause of death and not been effective in reducing mortality or inequalities in mortality from external causes in the long-run. To reduce deaths of despair, action should be taken to address social determinants of health and reduce socioeconomic inequalities.”
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33276793/
Additionally, obesity in Europe has tripled in the past 20 years. There are currently around 300,000 people who die from obesity or diseases relating to excess body fat in the European Union annually.
What is the obesity paradox in poverty?
The poverty-obesity paradox is a term that researchers usedTrusted Source to describe the positive association between poverty and obesity.
Researchers refer to this as a paradox, or contradiction. This is because some people may assume that those less able to afford food due to poverty, which some also call low food security, would have a lower calorific intake and therefore not experience weight gain.
@ Ruby
The IT article is well worth keeping, imo.
The distress of young people with gender dysphoria is what self ID has hitched itself to.
More mental health support is the only medical health intervention justified.And patience.
Kathleen Stock has an article out today which I can’t access. I think the gist of it is that Tavistock Clininc is still doing harm.
@ Pat Blake at 11.57am:
Your comment is a load of fatuous twaddle. There’s plenty of statistical evidence of the correlation between poverty and alcoholism, drug-abuse, ill-health, obesity and early death. It may suit your political agenda to insist that everyone has free-will and individual responsibility, but that ignores that fact that we all exist in a system of endemic structural inequality. We are subject to wall-to-wall advertising, and high streets have been replaced by edge-of-town supermarkets, the aisles of which are filled from end-to-end with booze, chocolate, crisps, and processed and artificially-produced food-products of every sort. You aren’t likely to find many Waitrose or Marks & Spencers’ stores in Wester Hailes or Easterhouse, are you? The poor have very little choice over the food they buy and very little power to make the sort of choices that you suggest we are all free to make.
Well, I’m glad that I didn’t take up residence in a cottage on my sister’s farm just for today’s vote. It’s bloody wet in Perthshire today, she tells me by Whatsapp.
Guess the ref got delayed thanks to that covid allusion in penultimate frame – can hardly risk going to the polling station if all that rain means convictions for attempted genocide via suspected hangovers get back on the cards (especially so soon after qualifying).
What is the point of Leslie Riddoch? What is Nordic Horizons and do they have any boats we could borrow?
The Captain salutes the Reverent for this great summary. Uncomfortable viewing for some, but very well put together.
The comment from Lord Plasma on this article is very sad.
https://unherd.com/2023/10/inside-britains-new-trans-clinics/
At the moment it’s 4th from the top.
We had a referendum. Remember?
“Once in a lifetime”.
The opinion polls showed 53% Yes.
The reality of the poll that really mattered showed that less than 38% of the electorate voted Yes.
Come back in 2032; and dream on.
You have the laugh at wee shona Robson letting it out the bag Humza went for a rate freeze while writing his speech, the cabinet were not involve. I am surprise she did not add but Nicola said it was ok.
These people are so nuts they can’t even keep their gobs shut
What to say?
There are no adequate expletives on this planet to describe the utter betrayal and hatred I feel for the NuSNP.
They will never again get my vote or that of any of my family.
They have manipulated, and lied to, the people of Scotland and their demise cannot come soon enough.
SCUNNERED.
Elect MPs and MSPs on £87k per year, with £150k expense accounts and paid staff who do most of the work and this is what you get – career politicians who are in no rush to change things.
I will no longer vote to send politicians to sit at Westminster or Holyrood. There is no longer any route to self-determination ( let alone winning an indy vote) via sending politicians to WM or Holyrood.
What you get is more colonial administrators giving false credibility to the imperial UK state.
“The reality of the poll that really mattered showed that less than 38% of the electorate voted Yes”
The reality of the official poll showed the majority of the native electorate voted YES, but their right to self determination was frustrated by those who arrived from elsewhere and were given the vote just for being in Scotland at that particular time. Or not even that, actually. Some were given the opportunity to vote simply for having a second (or third, or fourth or a fifth..) home in Scotland. Never mind if they lived all year round elsewhere and gave two figs about the future of Scotland.
The reality that poll showed is the franchise was predisposed to benefit a no vote at the expense of the self-determination of the native Scots. That is how little consideration is given to the self-determination of the Scottish natives in this union.
Never mind this is Scotland. For the powers that be, and the political class administering Scotland on their behalf, it is far more important to keep happy the unionists born and coming from elsewhere (and even living elsewhere in some cases), than actually paying attention to the will of the yes voters born here.
That is the reality of that poll. That is the reality of this union. That is the absurd reality of the Scottish political class currently ruling Scotland on behalf of the British state and for the benefit of its establishment rather than for the benefit of Scotland’s natives.
sam “obesity in Europe has tripled in the past 20 years”
During which they got richer. Healthy food is not more expensive than unhealthy food it just doesn’t taste as good. It isn’t loaded with fat, carbs and salt. It might take more time to prepare but that’s it.
Michael Laing “you aren’t likely to find many Waitrose or Marks & Spencers’ stores in Wester Hailes or Easterhouse, are you?”
And you think their expensive foods are healthy? Try reading the labels. Are takeaways cheap compared to a home cooked meal?
Correlation is not causation. People make bad choices because they’re tempted. Depressed people don’t compare themselves to those who are worse off, they always look to those who are ahead of them. So the depression deepens. So they ‘self medicate’ which makes the problem worse. Scotland and the UK as a whole are at risk of that mentality.
In the next Scottish Election I demand a ” None of the above” option on my ballot paper. If my demands are not met then I will draw something rude on it.
How many rude drawings would it take to change democracy?
“The reality of the poll that really mattered showed that less than 38% of the electorate voted Yes”
Ebenezer Scroggie, have you had a look at the percentage of the electorate that actually voted for Labour in the last by-election farce in Rutherglen and Hamilton West?
Let me assist you:
Following the info published by South Lanarkshire Council on 6 October 2023, the total electorate for that election was 82,104
Of those, only 30,531 cast a vote
Of those who cast a vote, only 17,845 cast a vote for the Labour candidate.
That figure represents a 21.7% of the electorate. In other words, the overwhelming majority of 78% did not vote for labour.
So, looking at that 21.7% figure, what kind of democratic mandate does labour have to speak on behalf of that constituency? Personally, I think none.
If you combine the votes of Labour, Libdems and Conservatives, the value is 19,932. This represents a meager 24.3% of the electorate of that constituency. That is some hell of a support that the traditional unionist parties got there, don’t you agree?
So who is dreaming on here, those like you who still blindly insist the official referendum result from 2014 is not obsolete in 2023, or the 75.7% in the last election in Rutherglen and Hamilton West who have just put a cosmic size question mark on it?
@Ruby
Autism does seem to play a large part in gender dysphoria. Always, it seems, a desire to escape their present condition.
Tribunal Tweets is reporting on Jo Phoenix’s claim against the Open University.
Recompense for unfair dismissal is being considered and that is being reported today as well (Borg-Neal v Lloyds)
These employers gave in to the hysteria of wokist employees and will pay a hefty price for it, financially and reputationally.
Mia,
by the same argument and arithmetic, the Indy movement’s support in R&HW is even lower. The SNP didn’t get as many as Labour, Alba didn’t bother, and ISP got 207.
I don’t think there’s any great point being made by the electorate in support of, or against, any of the parties, unionist or Indy. 75.7% are probably just fed up with all of them.
@ Pat Blake
Thank you for your interesting, if wholly positivist, contribution above. Colonially subjugated populations remain as such, until a collective liberated-consciousness is engendered and overrides all that has gone before. The SNP has never engaged itself with matters theoretical regarding its historical task, of course, thus by default has been playing the game of colonial politics since its inception.
The futility of “politics-as-usual” in Scotland, is clear for all to see. In order to familiarize yourself with what is currently underway politically in Scotland (outwith the influence and control of the SNP or the MSM), may I point you towards the ongoing work of salvo.scot and also, the reading of Alf Baird’s book Doun Hauden, (£10 from Amazon).
I should warn you: at no point will you find acceptance of the positivist fallacy of ‘Westminster’s sovereignty’ over Scotland; a point impressively reinforced by a mountain of evidence as to why such a claim could never hold-water.
Being well aware that Stu and his loved one were threatened a good while back, makes me aware that Stu may want to protect his family,
Family and friends are extremely important to safe guard for all of us, this gender beards perversion is a good example.
It may be the case that Stu has to avoid certain topics for the sake of those he loves, whereas I am old, my spouse has Colon cancer and have not seen my son or grandchildren for over Twenty years as they live in another country to far away to afford.
So I often try fill the gaps OT on legal documentation that covers Scotland and effects Scotlands past, present and future.
I hope Stu does not mind that I think to protect his family in this way by ensuring that no harm comes to him or his, whilst not getting him into trouble by mainly quoting the legal legislation, statues, bills, Westminster committees and while attempting to avoid any conversations that would cause him or his site to be shut down,
Some complain I am off topic, mainly those who support a continued but highly debatable union.
But Stu does a excellent job of journalism on those other topics daily, and doubt with a family and friends and between running this site he has little time to browse years and years of legal jargon that takes up days, weeks and months at a time,
So I wish to say a big thank you to all those that have shown amazing support against those whom attempt to shut down the voices of Scotland by cancel culture methods .
We want to learn regards legal matters relating to Scotland I am sure, as Scotland has been deliberately kept in ignorance and the dark for hundreds of years,
I will give one example that most are now aware of, The MacCrone report,
Well there are many many more such omitted instances of information neglect to Scots and Scotland.
I am Studying the cheat position taking in legislation and bills of Westminster to hold Scotland and avoid Scots ever having a “right to self Determination” at the moment,
How the bill of Rights is in the British written constitution but not the Scottish claim of right,
Having just investigated how Queen Anne, right up to her death was never ever Crowned Queen of Scots or Scotland prior to the union nor afterwards as other monarchs of Scots were, regardless of wether they were union crowns later on of Britain,
There was always two ceremonies, for the two kingdoms.
Queen Anne was not ever crowned, annointed, or investured as Queen of Scots or Scotland,
This is important as the main legal instigator of a union between England and Scotland.
Today we could have had a referendum, if Sturgeon had wanted it as much as the movement but she didn’t. You only needed to watch Politics Live not one Unionist attended the show while the SNP was having their conference. The unionist parties don’t even have to defend the Union anymore the SNP is doing the job for them. On Debate Night you could see that people where sad and fed up and everyone knows that the SNP has run out of Ideas and the general public will be happy for them to lose and no one really believes anymore that the UKG will grant a referendum nor do they believe the SNP will ever deliver it.
For me I’m glad we aren’t having a referendum, lets count our blessings, could you imaging if we had won Independence and Humza was going to be our PM.
Records show there was no union of Crowns, since king Charles 11.
@Pat Blake
Still in denial about the causes of early, premature, unjust deaths and long periods of disability among those with least money and income?
Here’s a link to work done for the Marmot Report, 2010. (I bet you have no clue about that.) A report into health inequalities in England.
“Inequalities in Priority Public Health Conditions
3.1. Cardiovascular Disease and Cancer
Cardiovascular diseases (CVD) are the main cause of death in the United Kingdom,
accounting for over 200,000 deaths every year, followed by cancers which account
for over 154,000 deaths (Cancer Research UK, 2006). Within these numbers there are serious inequalities between geographical areas, gender, socioeconomic group,and ethnicity. Chronic conditions disproportionately afflict the poor and the
marginalized and create further hardship and deepen poverty. Mortality and morbidity from cardiovascular disease and cancer are unevenly distributed across society with a disproportionate burden in low-income groups, minority ethnic groups and people living in the north of England….
3.2. Obesity
As in other high income countries, obesity is associated with social and economic deprivation across all age ranges and recent research suggests that this gradient is embedded with little evidence of change over time (Adamson et al., 2007). Further, it is known that minority ethnic groups and individuals with a mental health problem or physical disability are disproportionately affected by obesity (Adamson et al., 2007; Allison et al 1999; Dinan 2004). Geographical inequalities are also evident, with hotspots in the North East, Yorkshire and Humber, and the East and West Midlands (Adamson et al., 2007)..”
https://www.instituteofhealthequity.org/resources-reports/priority-public-health-conditions-task-group-report/task-group-8-priority-public-health-conditions-full.pdf
As a small consolation we can picture the weeping sores she hides under that wig.
100% yes.
Legally The devolved government in Scotland is a branch office of Westminster,
That is why the fake attempts by the Snp pretending it is working for Scotlands independence is a sham.
The devolved government are not Scottish, hence all the reservation legal control by Westminster.
A true Scottish government have control of finances without a Barnett formula, it would have control over immigtation, have control of Scottish borders and over its sea bounderies,
It would have control defence and nuclear disarmament in Scotland.
Once you know what you know, that the devolved government is a Colonial branch office for management, you understand the Snp,
and why tories used to have control of the scottish voting Franchise for investments and that referendums under those conditions in Scotland will never be Successful,
Greetings to all enemies of the kingdom.
These fucking Brit fascist cunts on here are something to behold.
They’ll all most likely have a relative that died in a Nazi concentration camp . They just don’t like to say they fell off the watchtower pissed one night.
Here’s a quote from Blair McDougal in response to Kate Forbes taking a fair chunk of the vote. Pay careful attention to the thing he posts first which is of the greatest importance to him.
“Nearly half of SNP members just voted for the small government, low tax, pro austerity, anti gay marriage, anti choice, anti single parent candidate.”
I would not be comfortable with Forbes as the leader of the country with her ties to the US Israeli puppet state and religious beliefs albeit as we saw being openly Christian in a Christian country is unacceptable to unelected Muslims and Jews who are in the seat of government. I am equally as uncomfortable at the idea of this government getting even bigger via more quangos, NGO’s, Non Profits and charities along with positions being created to accommodate crony capitalism/communism.
Talking about creepy crawly things. Where’s Swinney? The family retainer, keeper of secrets. What the Butler saw!!
“The SNP didn’t get as many as Labour”
They still got far more than they deserved.
The SNP has not come out in full open support for the union (yet), but while they will waffle a bit before an election to keep the pretence, the reality is that for the last 8 years they have done nothing at all to progress independence. They haven’t even tried.
The combination of forcing through toxic policies with their stubborn refusal to progress independence has caused support for the SNP to nosedive. However, overall support for independence is steady. This means support for the SNP can no longer be used as the measure of support for independence.
“75.7% are probably just fed up with all of them”
Possibly. Equally, it could simply reflect the electorate being unhappy because their preferred candidate (Margaret Ferrier) had been removed from the ballot.
“I don’t think there’s any great point being made by the electorate in support of, or against, any of the parties, unionist or Indy”
I disagree. The main difference between 2019 and 2023 is that, by accident or design, the SNP has now become unelectable and toxic. It is mainly traditional SNP voters who have been deliberately disenfranchised.
If people were really fed up of all the talking about independence or a referendum, the electorate would have voted for unionist parties to put an end to it. Instead, the overwhelming majority stayed at home and the overall unionist vote fell compared with 2019.
It is also quite telling that only a very small proportion of previous SNP voters could stomach casting a vote for a unionist party. Again, this is a sign unionism has run its course. Not even alienating voters after infiltrating a pro-independence party rendering it toxic has helped to boost the unionist vote in that constituency.
We heard “experts” for months, even before Margaret Ferrier was pushed out, warning us of a labour “surge”.
To be honest, I was expecting a tsunami. We didn’t even get a ripple in a teacup.
Labour did not even manage to get the same amount of votes they got last year, and that is including strategic votes from tory and libdem natural voters.
What Rutherglen and Hamilton West showed us was an astonishing high level of disenfranchisement in UK politics. This is a sign the system is breaking down, but also a sign the only way unionism survives is by disenfranchising yes voters.
The thing is you cannot claim this is a democracy when a political party purports to represent the views of an entire constituency when it commands the mandate of less than 22% of the electorate.
IF I cannot say this today – when can I say it. I am now, reluctantly certain that, in the second half of my 77th year on this earth, I will NEVER see the Independent Scotland I have desired in the 60 years since I began to seriously consider the possibility.
It is now clear, all those SNP votes – from the time I voted for Sam Purdie in the 1970 South Ayrshire by-election (won for Labour by Jim Sillars), up to the last General Election (when I played the “None of the above” card) I voted SNP. Once or twice in that sequence, I had to hold my nose and vote for candidates who came nowhere close to George Foulkes as a potential MP.
Say what you like about the Noble Lord, but, he and the lovely Liz were a formidable CONSTITUENCY team. His politics were all wrong, but I had to admire his devotion.
The current SNP member in Westminster, Allan Dorans, is one of the good guys, however, he is one of the SNP Westminster group, of whom I despair. Cannot he see, he is – by association – a member of a gang of chancers who are doing nothing for Scotland?
I am a Founder Member of ALBA, with a nice wee badge to prove as-much. However, here again, I despair. I still hold Alex Salmond to be the finest politician in Scotland today. But, I fear the smear job which Sturgeon and the woke witches did no him has fatally holed him below the water line.
Also, his reluctance to go for broke – to write his definitive version of how he was stitched-up worries me. Until he grasps the thistle and tells-all, Alba is going nowhere.
I feel, Eck should do a de Gaulle, retire to his rural retreat and write his memoirs, leaving Kenny McAskill to do the heavy lifting.
And that’s another thing. We need a new generation of politicians, untainted by the woke weirdness in the SNP, to step forward and reinvigorate the cause.
England has learned its lesson from 2014. They shat themselves then, they will not make the same mistake twice.
We are NEVER going to get a second referendum – we need to find a second route to freedom.
The problem in Scotland succeeding in a referendum under the devolved government from Westminster is the negotiations for separation would both be under Westminster parliament.the the thought of the Snp or any union party in Scotland negotiating on behalf of Scotland is undesirably one sided negotiations,
It reminds us that this is what happened when Queen Anne of England, Ireland and France, claimed falsely she was queen of Scots,
The negotiations held were by England and all in favour of Westminster and England, the Commissioners were all the commissioners of the Queen of England.
As she was never crownedqueen of Scots or Scotland.
The 1706/ 1707 parliament in Scotland was not actually under the Queen of England, France and Ireland.
The english parliament law, Act of Settlement 1701 was succession to the throne of England France And Ireland.
The english parliament law and act of Settlement 1701 was prior to a fallacious parliamentary union, between Scotland and England.
In which the Westminster parliament of England dissolved the Scottish parliament from the treaty in 1707, with no Authority To do so except in england and the laws of England.
The repeat of the king of England and the parliament of Westminster and the Courts in England still holding sway over one sided negotiations on behalf of Scots and Scotland and 300 years later
Through the the devolved legislated Westminster parliament branch office sent to Scotland is as illegal as those first negotiations over Three hundred years ago,
I could not envisage Scotland ever being free or independent with out Westminster making land and sea grabs, then slapping crippling falsified debt on Scotland to ensure it never succeeded as a country afterwards..
So who rules the legislation and laws over ruling any political party sitting in the devolved scottish government, and who owns the parties sailing under Westminster Legislation, and Statues in Scotland,
Both parliaments are Westminsters,
How would that go in negotiations?
Anton Decadent,
The overall question is can the SNP Unincorporated Association legally pass laws as Scottish laws?
While under the legislation of Westminster parliament according to the fallacious treaty of the union articles of 1707.
And the devolved parliament in Scotland not actually being a Scottish parliament.
How can a Unincorporated Association pass Scots laws?
When I look at Kate Forbes I get that Wayne’s World Mole,Moley,Moley feeling.
Following the stalling and decreases in life expectancy seen in the UK since 2012, Glasgow Centre of Population Health produced a paper, “Resetting the course for population health”.
The paper concluded:”Austerity is highly likely to be the most substantial causal contributor to the stalled mortality trends seen in Scotland and across the UK..”
The paper sets out around 40 recommendations at UK, Scottish and local level.
The recommendations are achievable – but some are hardly possible under neoliberalism.
For example: “At UK level
3. Increase all benefits and tax credits in line with inflation every year, and put in place a one-off increase in benefits and tax credits now to compensate for the loss of real income incurred since 2010. The
reinstatement of the £20 per week uplift in Universal Credit that was in place during the early part of the COVID-19 pandemic would be a contribution towards this.
4. Reduce welfare conditionality, starting with the increases in conditionality introduced since 2010.”
It is highly unlikely that many of the recommendations will be met.
https://www.gcph.co.uk/assets/0000/8723/Stalled_Mortality_report_FINAL_WEB.pdf
A Scottish Ministerial Review of 2013 produced recommendations to address the fundamental causes of health inequalities in Scotland which are the unfair and unequal distributions of wealth, power and income.
None of these recommendations could be introduced into Scotland because the powers to do so were “reserved”. That remains the case today.
Members of the Scottish government have either forgotten these recommendations or are ignorant of them.Thus it is that ignorant or unscrupulous journalists can attack the SNP for falling life expectancy and drug deaths.
The grim reality is that these events are caused by UK government policies. While the GCPH report makes clear that more can be done at Scottish and local government level such efforts are mitigations,not solutions.
If we are not a colony, what are we?
@ socratesmacsporran at 4.15: re Eck successfully smeared and the need for an alternative to a referendum.
In my 72nd year I too fear that I won’t see independence and I lay the blame entirely on the SNP. They have blocked the routes available over the past nearly 10 years and show no signs of changing. It is tragic and wicked.
When Alba was formed I prayed that Alex would do hugely valuable work behind the scenes and NOT stand as leader because I knew from my experience locally in the 2021 election that he had been successfully smeared. Until the truth comes out this will remain the case.
So the alternative route must be followed by non-politicians because there are no powerful politicians who are willing to put the sovereignty of the Scottish people to the test. That principle should be put to all Community Councils and Local Authorities to see if they will accept it. And at the same time we must get sufficient signatures on the Liberation.scot Edinburgh Declaration so that a Congress can be formed.
Angus Robertson always reminds me of a pigeon I had when I was a wee lad. It was a greedy fat bastard too.
Sturgeon the dirty lying b*stard.
The second route depends on how educated you want to be over the legal slip ups and errors Westminster parliament in England made in 1707,
And all the many of following years,
It also depends on what is the legal position of UDI.
It is illegal for any political member of any political party or any government or devolved government to claim UDI from the the British government,
That is the legal position,
No matter how unionists try to brain wash us, the following is also true legally.
The people can disassociate them selves from a government or sub governance that is not working for the people who voted them in to carry out or do a specific purpose.they promised, such as a mandate.
The people are Sovereign, All the government parties accepted you were Sovereign above them when they request the vote be put to you, you vote for them or withdraw your vote officially.
The people are legal in doing UDI from all political parties that do not comply with your vote or carry out their duty you tasked them with.
The SNP have not carried out the they promise they made and had many mandates to do so, as a vote duty..
If a government, any government offer you a vote they have accepted you using your Sovereinty and acknowledge you have Sovereignty,
Sovereignty cannot be Sold,, given or taken awayfrom the people , it is only on temporary loan to any political party or politician.
This is in evidence by your ability to switch your vote to another party, or to not vote at all, or mess up your ballot.
It is at the discretion of the actual people that hold that Sovereignty over politicians and government.
The people can legally do UDI.
The parliamentarians under their oaths cannot.
I watched the results in 2014 with growing disbelief at the mindnumbing idiocy of many Scots and all the EU fools and BritNat sycophants destroy Scotland’s place in the world. For a year or so after the debacle, I expected Nicola and the SNP to strive for a better future.
Well, I was a fool myself.
Today was a “No ifs, No buts” opportunity to set the record straight and release us from the straightjacket that is the UK. But something happened. Maybe it was just that Nicola Sturgeon happened, or maybe it’s more complex than that, but whatever it was, we have been denied our choice in our future.
As I sit today, 19th October 2023 at the good age of 68, I no longer have any confidence that I’ll see Independence in my lifetime. I honestly think that dream will go unfulfilled.
So, it will be for my children and their’s to forge a new path for Scotland.
One that makes decisions for the benefit of Scots and not for WM sycophants, crooks, and sociopaths.
One where decency and justice FOR ALL are meaningful expressions of a genuinely democratic country.
One where collaboration is more important than confrontation.
One where every citizen has the same rights, and those rights are respected.
One where 2+2=4, without caveat or correction.
One where people can access energy without sacrificing food.
One where the political class come from the ordinary class of people.
One where honor and decency are first principles, not thought of as deficiencies
One where a Justice system actually MEANS justice
Maybe I’m just an old, stupid man who’s dreams have become nightmares and wants a way out. How many Scots want their country back? I no longer know.
Nae man can tether time or tide. If not Now, when?
Interesting to see how the actual independence supporters that are claimed by “MSM and polls”:as below 50 %, is true or accurate or just propaganda,
would it tally and compare to reality if all those seeking independence withheld their Sovereign vote for any or all of the political parties in the devolved government in Scotland,
If over 50% that is pretty good for the Sovereignty of the people of Scotland, and pretty much a 50% UDI from the Scottish devolved government by the people.
If we were as enthusiastic in “not turning out” as we are for voting in idiots and unionist,
We could change the face Scottish politics,
We do not win or have the people we vote for any way,
I do not remember voting in the greens, humsaf or the indoctrination of our children or for labour or tories,
That is only one possible alternative..let us say no to politicians that do us harm.
UDI by the Sovereignty of Scottish voters.,
Tony Little – Talk is cheap Tony and if all of these headlines from The National, or even some of them, say 10% of them, showed that some work had been done towards achieving independence then all of these headlines would mean something. As it is they mean nothing. The SNP have achieved nothing. In fact, they have moved Independence altogether out of the realms of realistic expectation. Who would have thought that would happen so quickly and effortlessly.
Mia is magic. Marc Beggan follows closely. Personally I’m glad there has not been indy ref 2 which would almost certainly have had the same result and would have been manipulated to mean Scotland no longer wanted to exist.
As to nu snp they are a contemptible example of everything that hinders Scotland only interested in their gravy train just as the rogues of yesteryear. Some things never change. What really, really makes me angry is the gaslighting ,the lying, the deal making selling us out to the lowest bidders ( forbes) and the representation of foreign governments by supposed scots. Read US foreign policy and their state dept funding for all these funking trouph dwellers and WEF aparatchicks. May they rot in some hell or other.
Sunshine glimmers? The people are organising and will take it from here.
I do wonder if the SNP will wake up to the fact they have an infection in the form of the Vietnam group and their supporters. By their actions they have become compromised and are being played by the security services.
It is clear for all to see when you review their failed polices, and there are loads of them, who took them to this disaster.
At some point they have to lance the boil to clear the infection. They are incapable of forward movement and are unfit for office.
It is lance the boil time or lose your jobs. It was of your own making the moment they lied. Committing perjury and became unfit to hold office a sad end.
I have to say I would be rather annoyed to lose my well paid job because of the actions of others, but there you go.
‘..and nothing ever happens, nothing happens at all..’
And still idiots will vote SNP. The SNP, a committed bunch of lying careerists barstewards, more committed to their own bank accounts than Scottish independence. But, but, but they tell us, vote for us at the UK general election next year and we really, really, really, really promise (and we really, really honestly mean it this time) to get independence. Aye right!
A shower of lying, deceptive, treacherous, talentless shites.
“It is lance the boil time or lose your jobs”
Personally, I think it is far too late for that. The trust in the party is now gone and the sense of betrayal from it has already began to set in. Too many yes supporters have moved on.
The party are finished and the leadership, MPs and MSPs must know it because they took it, willingly or unwillingly, to its present precarious state. They did this either by actively cooperating in its destruction or by failing to stop it.
This precarious state of the party cannot be blamed exclusively on the leadership. Had the MPs and MSPs rebelled and defied the whip ‘en masse’ and the leadership would not have stood a chance in hell. Alternatively, they could have left the SNP and stood as independent, like Mr Angus Brendan McNeil or Ms Ferrier. They chose the easy ride.
Willingly or unwillingly, they all indulged the bad actors while these irreversibly destroyed the party for the benefit of the British state, and the electorate’s confidence in it. Now it is time for them to reap what they sowed.
Personally, I hope all the SNP MPs and MSPs lose their seats. Because what exactly have they delivered with all those huge majorities other than laughing at us for 8 years?
Not a thing.
Alba with just two MPs have risen far more awareness and have fought much more for Scotland’s independence than the 40 something SNP MPs and MSPs put together, with the exception of Ms Regan.
Failure to deliver and betrayal of voters should be rewarded with the p45, not another 5 years of a useless, but comfortable green seat tenure, a nice pension and perks.
Mia. Spot on.
We should be alert to the SNP promises by now. Scotland will access the International Bond Market for funds. Read the small print. By the end of this Parliamentary Session so to me and you 2026. Source Scottish Government website. Scotland will freeze the Council Tax year. Not signed off by the Cabinet including their Green Partners. Cost 350 million. Source Humza and Shona over a pizza the night before. I am all in favour of supporting Amateur Dramatics but unfunded gimmicks for one more mandate are insulting the intelligence of the electorate. See Liz Truss.
Good evening from the Isle of Mull. The turnout in the Independence vote is likely to be low as the weather is nasty, they forgot to send out the polling cards and open the polling stations. Ruth Davidson is confident of a good result from looking at the postal votes so she did not get the memo. The former first minister and her poodle should be getting door stepped and hammered over this but no all quiet on the Western front. A firm date and a firm commitment was given and nothing has happened so time to tear down the whole horrible lot of them. Still at least the other Mr Campbell managed to stay on the Bisto bus as I see everyone’s favourite chancer has got back onto the NEC or whatever it is called these days.
“there are no powerful politicians who are willing to put the sovereignty of the Scottish people to the test.”
If they want careers as UK politicians swearing allegiance to the UK head of state, that’s up to them: but don’t give them your vote.
James Che,
there’s no such thing as “the sovereignty of Scottish voters”.
Mia,
no point putting your trust in Alba. They couldn’t even be bothered to test the waters with a candidate in Rutherglen and Hamilton West, a constituency already proven to be pro-Indy. Two MPs is all they are ever going to get. They’re a busted flush, a waste of time.
I think Humza would rather have a full body wax before he went through another conference like that again.
And the slaughter goes on.
Sunak has been called Doctor Death. Well he probably gets his rocks off when he considers the children that have now been slaughtered.
The pictures of the broken bodies of young children wrapped in rags is as pitiful beyond belief.
This is our government, our Prime Minister. We are part of the slaughter.
But maybe I am missing something. Maybe slaughter is our human right.
A Scot Abroad says:
19 October, 2023 at 8:12 pm
James Che,
there’s no such thing as “the sovereignty of Scottish voters”.
In 2012 the House of Commons accepted a motion recognising “the sovereign right of the Scottish people to determine the form of government best suited to their needs.”
Mia @ 6.44.
Yes it is too late for the SNP. They are finished.
But the boil still needs to be lanced. Only when all the facts and identities of those involved in the Salmond persecution have been revealed can Scotland move on. Until this is made public it will continue to hang like a sword od Damocles over Scottish politics, the Judiciary, the Crown Office, and the police.
The threat of disclosure will still operate and control people’s actions and decisions.
It needs getting out of the way now, the air cleared once and for all to dispel any thoughts that those in high positions are acting to orders from the south.
@A Scot Abroad 8:12pm
The history of the UK Electoral system FPTP is strewn with examples of new political parties washing up on the shores. Alba will lose their 2 MPs. Hence the concentration of Alba on the Scottish Parliamentary Elections. The vagaries of the D’Hondt system which is why we had 6 Scottish Socialist members originally in the Rainbow Parliament. Now we have questionable politics from the Scottish Greens. They will go as well. Labour will win the General Election and the Scottish Parliamentary Elections. But that leaves a void and it won’t be filled by the SNP. Don’t you just love Tony Blair.
US Forces now under attack.
Pentagon now making an emergency statement. Looks like the area is ready to burn. The US have the force, they are the world superpower, they have got the weaponry in place, so are we ready to rock.
And Ukraine, well they might need to go in there.
Where are we going folks?
O/T: the “winners” of the SNP internal elections have been reported on Yours for Scotland. I could only see the names of 2 Good Guys but plenty of Bad Guys e.g. Mike Russell, Marco Biagi, Ian Cockburn, and Graham Campbell. 599 voted for Mike Russell – mind you that’s 100 plus parliamentarians and their spads.
Timothy Rideout didn’t get much support. Unbelievable – or it should be.
Do the voting g numbers reflect the amount of attendees? If so it was max around 700
Tenruh @ 9:07 pm
“Do the voting g numbers reflect the amount of attendees? If so it was max around 700”
Mostly just the payroll left it seems, the British state payroll.
Thanks for the tune and your video Rev. The occasion has been marked.
No acknowledgement of today’s non-event from the National.
The BBC even carried a couple of articles!
When the stuff come away with passes the point of i agree or disagree with to being funny and folk laughing at them i am afraid it is over.
I circulate is a couple of groups and the common theme is laughing at gender reform given the borders case, referendums and humza.
They have become a joke. I dont think there us a return from being a joke
@Shug 9:46pm
I remember watching the GRRB debate live from Holyrood before Christmas and my wife was greeting. I said to her despite the 2pm sittings and the self congratulations. This issue will not go away on Boxing Day. Since then Chief Mama has gone. The SNP are in freefall. And there is no return for them. Of course anybody could have told you that. If you had listened to the Scottish Public.
Persephone Books have just published “Sofia Petrovna” written in Russia in 1939-40. Sofia “sees the horror of Stalin’s Purges unfolding against a background of complete and utter ordinariness. Deeply loyal to Mother Russia, Sofia begins by thinking that the arrests, the cruel incompetence of officials, are all a mistake. Even when her son is arrested she continues to believe in Stalin’s benevolence. Yet she grows increasingly bewildered and cannot understand what is happening.”
“The author wrote in 1979 “..I tried to show that society had been poisoned as completely as an army might be poisoned by noxious fumes..I expressly meant to write a book about a society gone mad; poor Sofia is…a personification of those who seriously believed that what took place was rational and just. “We don’t imprison people for no reason”. Lose that faith, and you’re lost..””
For Stalin, read Sturgeon. For Mother Russia, read SNP. Cruel incompetence of officials – sinking schools, ferries, drug treatment, self-id prisoners to women’s prisons etc etc. Arrests – Mark Hirst, Craig Murray, the women who argue for women’s and children’s safety.
Rev, you might call in at Persephone Books, 8 Edgar Buildings, and tell them they have just published a book that reflects Scotland in the Sturgeon and Yousaf years.
This should have been shown at the party conference .
I was in a cafe talking to a friend about the state of indy and how the SNP had betrayed their supporters when wee woman at an adjacent table butted in and started to defend Sturgeon and the snp declaring the great things that had been done in the past nine years and how indy was just round the corner. Of course she couldn`t name any of these great things and her blind faith and ignorance were quite outstanding.
I just wondered how many potholes like her there are in Scotland.
I would firstly like to apologize to any women who read this comment. As a man I would, could never really understand this.
The next stop for Transvestites is the HRT clinic.
I hope the people in the Red weather (Storm Barbet) warning are OK- I know a few and one says it’s OK but the electricity has gone off nearby
Well, thank the lord
This momentous day is over.
We came so close.
I think our failure today can only be placed with the decision to put the whole process in the hands of the NEC and the party executive.
No ifs, plenty of butts.
Sam, at 8:45pm,
The 2012 motion was in Holyrood, not Westminster. The Westminster motion was in 2018.
But both are meaningless: gesture politics. Motions aren’t binding. And there’s a hell of a lot of difference between Scottish voters (James Che’s preferred measure) and the Scottish people, which is rather wider, but still undefined. There’s people on WoS who seem to think that means only those ethnically Scots. How do you define that after centuries worth of mingling within the U.K.? In fact, all they really want to do is to cut out anyone from the franchise who isn’t going to vote Yes. They just don’t have the courage to say so openly.
Kirsten Oswald needs help.
Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
Mark Beggan says:
20 October, 2023 at 12:02 am
Kirsten Oswald needs help
Just getting out of the taxi and into the HOC canteen.
Paul@
Well Paul Your a better man than me.
My attitude towards them is;
‘Let them lie in their ain pish’
What does it tell you when the SNP continues to exist after abandoning Independence, turning on Alex Salmond who brought us within a whisker of Independence, losing great swathes of it’s best campaigners, losing the support and income of tens of thousands of members, and creating a body of opinion that is exasperated and angered by a decade of betrayal?
Ask yourself this. Where does the SNP’s “buoyancy” come from? When none of the above has had the slightest impact on policy or strategy, what (or who) is steering policy and strategy?
The Independence Party which does more than most to destroy Independence, seed acrimonious division in our Movement, and emasculate Scotland’s Constitutional Sovereignty, is still running the “government” in a Nation which seems strangely incapable of doing the necessary arithmetic…
In the nation which has no mainstream media which supports Independence, but has suffered decades of state funded media indoctrination, why is neither Sturgeon nor Yousaf being slaughtered in the Press the way Alex Salmond was? (And still is). Why does their sleaze and incompetence hang around like a bad smell, while Salmond was vilified beyond all rational context for things he had never done?
When the political careers of Sturgeon and Yousaf seem so “resilient” to the outright betrayal of Scotland and Scottish Independence, while Salmond and all that Salmond creates is continually smeared and derided? For what? Salmond and ALBA have done nothing except keep the dream of Independence alive and provide a safe refuge for those in the SNP unwilling to compromise on Independence. They saw what was happening. They saw the light. They defied Sturgeon. We should be giving them fkg medals.
We don’t have the SNP “we” want, not by a country mile. We have the perfect SNP “they” want; corrupt, rancid, perverted, infiltrated, incompetent, disgraced and finally,… unelectable.
Now they’re talking of bringing Sturgeon back?? Jesus wept.
The UK Establishment “running” the SNP are laughing all the way to the bank.
Waking up to news of Joe Biden asking Congress for $100 BILLION to fund the war in YooKrane and the international war crimes of targeting civilians in Gaza.
I know it’s small potatoes given the US National debt of $33 Trillion, except it isn’t. It’s a hundred billion dollars. Buys a lot of death, and lines the pockets of the lucky few in a weapons based economy.
To date, the US has given $77 billion to Yookrane, with most of it now reduced to smouldering scrap metal.
What exactly are they planning to do to Gaza’s population, half of whom are children? 47.3% are under 18, but that figure is pre the genocidal war crimes which targeted military strikes on civilians and hospitals.
Here’s a thought… do you think bad things happen in America because your average American is just like your average Scot, and fed a never-ending diet of absolute toxic garbage and disinformation by it’s corrupt media?
We value our world of free choice, but there’s the trick, isn’t it? By the time you get to exercise that “free” choice, the con is already deeply embedded. To misquote I-robot… “The responses are limited…when you only ask the right questions…”
Here’s a toast to America and Scotland, and the day when the people take back command and control of their own country from the warmongering thieves and parasites bleeding them dry.
Merganser says on 19 October 2023 at 8:51 pm: “Only when all the facts and identities of those involved in the Salmond persecution have been revealed can Scotland move on.”
To be quite honest with you i’m only surprised that those details haven’t been outed/exposed already via graffiti or similar ways the law has no control over. I truly expected to see names & messages painted on makeshift banners popping up, overnight, in various prime locations such as motorway bridges all over Scotland.
I wonder if that English wanker Martin Bell (ex BBC), will be pleading with the UK public to donate £32 to Unicef to help the children of Gaza?
He’s not shy in asking for £32 for the children of Uk-raine in his TV appearances.
Or doesn’t he think the kids of Gaza are worthy enough?
Fuck that bastard Bell and the establishment he is the mouthpiece for.
I’m waiting on the White Helmets making an appearance in the rubble of Gaza any time now.
Patronising English bastards the lot of them.
Breeks says:
20 October, 2023 at 6:29 am
To date, the US has given $77 billion to Yookrane, with most of it now reduced to smouldering scrap metal.
Not all of it. Apparently, weapons intended for the Yookrane are now turning up in Gaza and all over the place. These things are traceable so it will be interesting if a proper investigation is carried out. A big “IF”, of course.
@ Ron Clark
You had forgotten to put dirty before English and spit after b@st@rds
ROFLMAO.
Breeks says: 20 October, 2023 at 6:29 am
Biden is trying to create a legacy for himself, both at the expense of US taxpayers and the blood of tens of thousands of innocent people.
The arrogance of senile old men.
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Breeks says: 20 October, 2023 at 6:29 am
Waking up to news of Joe Biden asking Congress for $100 BILLION to fund the war in YooKrane and the international war crimes of targeting civilians in Gaza.
I know it’s small potatoes given the US National debt of $33 Trillion, except it isn’t. It’s a hundred billion dollars. Buys a lot of death, and lines the pockets of the lucky few in a weapons based economy.
To date, the US has given $77 billion to Yookrane, with most of it now reduced to smouldering scrap metal.
Biden is trying to create a legacy for himself, both at the expense of US taxpayers and the death of tens of thousands of innocent people.
The arrogance of senile old men.
Morning Stoker
There must be a fair number of people in Scotland who know their names.
Possibly everyone who would recognise their names already knows.
I don’t think I would recognise their names. I don’t know the names of civil servants, spads etc. I believe there was one msp and even then I probably wouldn’t know her name.
Maybe the reason there was been no banners on motorways is because the names would mean nothing to those outside the political bubble.
We already know quite a lot about them and the people who ‘organised/coerce them into possibly lying and making ridiculous accusations against Alex Salmond.
What we need is:
1. Someone charged with perjury
2. A full account of the court case.
(a full transcript of the proceedings)
I don’t know if that sort of thing is available through FOI or not.
There would be no need for names they could be redacted. As I said I probably wouldn’t recognise their names anyway.
It would definitely be interesting to read exactly what the jury heard and then maybe the public could judge who got it right.
Craig tried hard to inform us but he ended up in prison for his efforts.
When I say us I mean the limited number of people who read Craig’s blog.
We definitely need to read the two sides of the Alex Salmond trial not just the one sided biased account we got from the MSM.
I have a feeling the answer to what I’m requesting would be a great big fat no. Who wants us plebs to be fully informed?
@ Breeks
I’ve not been engaging with anything to do with this additional ( to the Proxy War ) chapter in the Book of Nightmares ; it just sickens n angers me too much . Almost impossible to avoid exposure to it , though , despite the attempt to do so , eg seeing all the ( narratively compliant ) front pages in shops etc .
The constant , blatant lying , the distortions of reality , the mangling of language n the revolting complicity of the MSM & spineless , head-nodding pond-life that comprise the * West’s * Political Class .
Like it’s Culture Wars demented mirror image – where * reality * can be anything sanctioned by Corporate interests and delusional , mentally imbalanced cultists ( what is the insane TWAW mantra if not the compulsive denial of reality characteristic of all cults ? ) – actual Bodies-Atomised-By-Munitions ( children included ) War is an arena for psychopaths & ghouls , who , themselves never go near the carnage , never themselves witness the horror, but pontificate about utterly hollow abstract nouns ..eg .. ” Democracy ” hahahahahahahahahahahahaha ( what democratic say was/is there in the decisions to spend incalculable ( and * unaccountable * , lol ) amounts of PUBLIC MONEY funding/fuelling mass death in foreign countries , rejecting at every opportunity ceasefires , diplomacy and – above all – any honest recognition of the causes of whatever conflicts are raging .
So we have the * unprovoked * invasion of You Crane and – imminently , the * justified * invasion of Gaza . Now Iran is in the cross-hairs of the agents of Perpetual Wars . There is no limit to or check on their depravity in pursuit of profit . None
That’s the only adjectives required – ” Unprovoked ” and ” Justified ” , ok , let’s through in ” Defensive ” too .
Forget history , ancient & modern , none of * that * happened ; the world is made anew with every * justified * conflict , every new advanced weapon system ; history rewritten , if not completely ignored , and ” we ” are always the good guys , the ” defenders of civilised values ” .
Aye , so we ur , we’re fckn great in’t we ? I mean , look at our great Leaders of the ( don’t laugh ) ” Free World ” ( ok , laugh ) eg Bent Joe Bidet , a dottery auld crook who doesn’t know what fckn day it is or where he is at any given time ; Rishi Rich Sunak – a City of London byte made entirely of quantitatively-eased faeces and glib monetary cliche : La Belle France – former land of Liberte , Egalite , Fraternity – governed by another little man ie Macron , who has now criminalised any public support for Palestine – let’s add Hypocrisie to that now merely notional trinity of national self-regard a la Franciais .
No need to go on , they really are ” all the same ” .
And , aye , Breeks , what IS keeping the hole-in-the-heart Nu SNP ” project ” ( just about ) functioning , seemingly immune from SERIOUS journalistic examination or censure ; what’s keeping the corpse alive ?
Hard to say with certainty , but I’m pretty sure it’s connected with the same ” mechanism ” that allowed the conspiring , perjuring , malicious bastards involved in the attempted political assassination of Alex Salmond to walk away unscathed – in some cases rewarded – without so much as a slap of the wrist and granted life-long anonymity .
What a fuckn stitch-up , eh ?
I have no interest in some silly wee lassies who did their bosses bidding. They can remain anonymous and live in fear with their guilty conscience. Frankly I think they would be better just to come clean they are going to be found out one day.
I would definitely like to see any woman who falsely accused someone of rape being charged with perjury.
I would also like to know exactly what rape means.
“A Scot Abroad says:
19 October, 2023 at 11:55 pm
Sam, at 8:45pm,
The 2012 motion was in Holyrood, not Westminster. The Westminster motion was in 2018.
But both are meaningless: gesture politics.”
No, ASA.
The 2012 motion was passed in Holyrood. It was debated in 2012 in Westminster. Not passed. It was also debated in 2016 and 2018 in WM.
In the 2016 debate reference was made to named unionist politicians who had signed the 1989 Claim of Right. This Claim of Right declares the sovereignty of the Scottish people. It was signed by all Labour MPs bar Tam Dalyell, all Lib Dem MPs.
The Claim of Right was signed at the General Assembly Hall, on the Mound in Edinburgh – on 30 March 1989 by 58 of Scotland’s 72 Members of Parliament, 7 of Scotland’s 8 MEPs, 59 out of 65 Scottish regional, district and island councils, and numerous political parties, churches and other civic organisations, e.g., trade unions.
Reference was also made to the earlier Claim of Right in 1689. This is not “gesture politics”.It remains justiciable, witness its use in Joanna Cherry’s judicial review of the prorogation of parliament by boris Johnson
Someone needs to get Lord Naw-Naw a tube of arnica. He gets knocked flat on his arse so often, and so easily, in this place he must be quite badly bruised by now.
Joe Biden reminds us of the old men that used to run the politburo in the days of the declining Soviet Union.
The Soviets got trounced in Afghanistan. And years later so did the Yanks.
Internally the USA is ripping itself apart. Dangerous times as the USA launches into supporting another war. With reports that there have been attacks on the US fleet mobikized to the middle east, and with attacks on US bases in Iraq and Syria the stall looks set. The Muslim world is hardening up.
And over in the Ukraine Russia has stated that it is not prepared to allow American long range missiles to be fired deep into Russia.
And China, the US has a fleet in and around that theatre too. What if that starts to heat up.
Profoundly frightening times. Quite how Sunak can declare to Netanyahu that Israel has his absolute support and that he hopes Israel will win.
No one wins in situations like this. But there is comfort in the old line ” Dulce et decorum et in pro patria mori ”
No doubt many are about to, and already are finding that out.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/now-the-traffic-lights-change/#comment-2797389
Mornin’ Robert. (Mr Hughes)
Another very excellent post. Thank you
Thank you all. All your post are excellent & very interesting.
I particularly like Robert Hughes’ post because he has a way with words that I like. He swears! 😉
Of course there are some that are not excellent or very interesting but I’m ignoring those. I don’t want to go back on the naughty step.
This US story rarely gets aired on the MSM. It’s really important and a big piece of the current jigsaw. I first came across it in the 80s, I think in The Atlantic magazine but can’t find it now. Grist keeps it going.
it’s also why I see for-prophet protestants as leaning anti-environmental.
Despite the url, it is nothing to do with the S N P, probably.
https://archive.vn/9PSNP
Thanks , Ruby . You are one of the posters here whose opinion matters to me and whose own comments and opinions I value .
That you are also as funny AF makes reading you a particular pleasure . * heart * emoji to you 🙂
Socrates , I am the same age and wondering just how long I can stay alive in the hope of seeing Scotland free and thriving.
Will I have to last another 10 ? 20? or the most unlikely , 30?
@Breeks 6:29
“Here’s a toast to America and Scotland, and the day when the people take back command and control of their own country from the warmongering thieves and parasites bleeding them dry.”
Hear, hear, but the thing is…
“Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbors, films, football, beer, and above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds.
To keep them in control was not difficult…. All that was required of them was a primitive patriotism which could be appealed to whenever it was necessary to make them accept longer working hours or shorter rations.
And when they became discontented, as they sometimes did, their discontentment led nowhere, because being without general ideas, they could only focus it on petty specific grievances.”
? George Orwell, 1984
Don’t despair. The AngloAmerican Empire is in collapse.
England’s difficulty is Scotland’s chance.
https://www.corbettreport.com/ganser-empire/
Hoorah!
Stu asking on Twitter if
Scotland is
1. A Country
2. A Colony
3. An Ex Country extinguished in 1707
He’s not asking the following but I am.
Is Scotland legally described as Lesser England but it’s only called Scotland to fools us into thinking we are a country and not an English colony and to fool all the Brits that their beloved country would never do anything as low down as colonising their neighbours?
If the English Supreme Court considers Scotland doesn’t exist then what they are saying vis a vis Scotland not being a colony is that a region of a country cannot be a colony. They would have given the same answer had they been asked if Yorkshire is a colony.
Well folks I can’t see how a country in a equal Union doesn’t have the right to have a legal referendum if they wish or any of the other things which are ‘reserved’ for our colonisers to decide on.
So it’s got to be 2 or 3 or maybe both come to the same thing
Scotland is a colony.
PS I am not a ‘New Scot’ or just a ‘Scot’ I am an indigenous Scot/a Native Scot.
I expect if Andy Ellis were he still here he would have something to say about that. What was the expression he kept repeating?
Natavistic blah blah blah.
I can’t see why it’s acceptable to describe ‘Aboriginal Australians’ as indigenous Australians and Native Americans as…. well Native Americans and it’s unacceptable for me to describe myself as an indigenous Scot.
The term ‘New Scot’ is pretty silly we don’t describe immigrants who have passed the famous Britishness test and gained British citizenship as ‘New Brits’ or ‘New English’
The term Scot like the term English is meaningless if anyone can be Scottish or English.
Can you imagine anyone describing themselves as a new Native American or a new ‘Aboriginal Australian’.
Of course anyone can be British all you need to do is stay in the UK for a couple of years learn to sing ‘God Save the Queen’ and know where Santa comes from and hey presto you are British.
Folk talk about British culture & Britishness but what exactly is that.
Antoine Roquentin, sam. Being colonies and being poor do not go hand in hand. Wealth is largely connected to hard work and there is a knock on connection to health. Consider the successful colonies like Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, South Korea. Consider the poor colonies and think about their cultures compared to the successful ones. Spain and Italy have longer average lifespans than the UK and we live longer than Americans. That’s not about the wealth of the country, it’s about the lifestyles of the people.
At this point I suspect that you’re about to talk about free health care but per person Scotland has more money to spend on it than England. While the proximity to hospitals does affect lifespan, by that measure all cities should have better health results than rural places. However the poorest areas are connected to cities too.
Until we accept that health is not just a matter of circumstance but of choices, then how do you improve it? Worse, blaming government spending on ill health enables the problem. ‘I’m not ill because I do stupid things, I’m ill because of Westminster/SNP/WEF/Lizard People.’ Self indulgent adults create self indulgent kids. As a society as a whole we’ve become very lax. Have you seen a soap that doesn’t glorify the pub and getting ‘merry’? Why is it cool for politicians to claim they did drugs at uni? Why so many programmes pushing food all day? I in no way excuse myself from the self indulgence flaw. I see it in society because I see it in myself.
I’d love Scotland to make a go of independence should it vote for it but the mindset of the colonised is the mindset of a people who are programming themselves to fail and endlessly blame it on the English. The same is true of Brexit and the EU. Please make a rational plan for the future that doesn’t involve throwing larger and larger pots of money at the problems.
Ruby @ 12:09 pm
“Folk talk about British culture & Britishness but what exactly is that.”
‘Britishness’ is a cultural-political ideology and identity. It is a ‘cultural illusion’, the consequence of ‘colonial/cultural assimilation’.
Its basis is the English language, which is why the colonizer must deprive the colonised o thair ain mither tongue and force them to use only the language of the colonizer.
This results in the ‘Scottish cultural cringe’ with the oppressed group suffering from ‘internalised racism’, and related adverse social and health impacts.
Colonialism, whose main purpose is economic plunder, is itself racism, and ‘works’ by debasing the colonized, particularly his culture and language.
I’ve just discovered what RAAC is because Blackhall Library is closed due to the discovery of RAAC.
https://tinyurl.com/bdcvnpfp
Reinforced Autoclaved Aerated Concrete
https://archive.ph/oDvnP
The RAAC concrete ‘ticking time bomb’ that schools were warned about years ago
So when was the material first used, when was it first flagged as a danger, and what was done about it?
That is a good question.
Why did they stop using it in the 1990’s and it’s only today the Gov are taking action about something that
construction experts warned RAAC was a “ticking time bomb” and estimated around “half” of the four million non residential buildings in the UK were affected by the material.
The sinking school saga pales in comparison to this lot.
Not to worry! I’m off to the Central Library now in the rain. I’m going to wear my cycle helmet just in case although that building looks ancient so I should be OK.
I hope Dan is proud of me being au fait with RAAC and not confusing it with a car breakdown service.
You know what Alf you are extremely good at answering these question. 🙂 You get a gold star actually I’ll give you 5. *****
Does Britishness & transgenderism have anything in common?
What I keep trying to do is tease an answer out of ‘Lord Naw Naw’ and the ‘Naw Baws’ but no such luck.
Why do you think they are reluctant to answer or defend their claim that ‘Scotland isn’t a colony’ and refuse to answer my simple question?
Sam,
it is gesture politics. The Claim of Right is ancient mince. It means nothing. If ever it meant something, it was extinguished in 1707. The fact that a few dozen poseurs signed a piece of paper in 1989 is irrelevant. Take it to the Supreme Court if you think I’m wrong: they’ll throw you out on your ear, and your advocate will only stop by to collect his fee on his way home.
Alf Baird,
still talking rubbish about colonialism, a subject you just don’t understand?
@Pat Blake
…the mindset of the colonised is the mindset of a people who are programming themselves to fail and endlessly blame it on the English”
This is what Sturgeon has based her whole strategy on for the last eight years.
When Boris left she must have panicked. She couldn’t attack Sunak with the same Hate. You could literally follow Sturgeons hate campaign and how she harnessed this. Without this mindset on mass people like Sturgeon are nothing.
For her comeback tour the horsebox will be converted to a water tank and towed by the camper van. She will stick her head over the top of it to do press conferences and wave at people and we will be told that she actually is a sturgeon and always has been. Laws will be passed to make denial of this a criminal offence.
Richard Walker is a genius. He’s only gone and suggested an SNP television show.That will keep the critics quiet! Bet you all wish you had thought of that! Total genius. That’s were the money’s gone. Not that’s any of your business. Look out central Ayrshire. The genius Walker for MSP or MP or why not FM.
Total Genius.
Alf Baird,
Mia,
Breeks
Lorna campbell.
Perhaps one or all of you could aid myself in some research.
We have dates, times places and records for the ceremonies and placing the Crown on the head in coronations of all Kings and Queens whom became monarchs of the Scots and the peoples kingdom of Scotland,
Are any of you or any other history buff that may read this question pin point the date, the time, the place that Queen Anne Stuart of England, France and Ireland was crowned queen of Scots and their territory in Scotland,
Although many times although a monarch may consider he had heritable title to be the monarch of Scotland, everyone of those monarchs still had to be investured, annointed and Crowned in Scotland as monarch of Scots.
After a year and a half of research I cannot find a date for the Coronation, ceremony, oaths of Anne Stuart being crowned Queen of Scots. And their territory.
I do not require the date time or place when she was Crowned queen of England,France and Ireland, as It is on Records.
Just her coronation in Scotland to become Queen of the Scots and their territory,
It appears absent in all records, any help or assistance in pinning this coronation down would much appreciated.
Many thanks in advance.
A Scot Aboard.
Do you know what else is ancient mince.
Queen Anne Being Queen of Scots/ Scotland and England,
There is no record of her coronation or being crowned as Queen of Scots/Scotland,
How is that for her validity to use the Scottish Seal, to confirm the treaty of union,
That ancient mince all begins at the beginning.
Ruby @ 1:35 pm
“Does Britishness & transgenderism have anything in common?”
Both are cultural illusions.
AsA,
No evidence of a union of the two Crowns between Scotland and England at the time the treaty of union.
Queen Anne was only held the crown of Queen of England.
Ancient mince that makes the treaty of union ancient mince.
Queen Anne of England , France and Ireland 1702,
Was never coronated Queen of Scotland,
That legally assures us as queen of England she could not use the “Scottish Seal” on the treaty of union,
That she was not Queen of Scots or Scotland in 1706 / 1707.
Never legally crowned as such in Scotland and its territorial kingdom,
Breeks 5.29am
Can`t argue with any of that.
A Scot Abroad says on 20 October 2023 at 1:46 pm: “The Claim of Right is ancient mince. It means nothing. If ever it meant something, it was extinguished in 1707.”
Looks like Westminster disagrees with you..
https://indyposterboy.scot/scotlands-claim-of-right/
James Che,
nobody normal remotely cares about whether Queen Anne was crowned Queen of Scots, or not. It’s utterly irrelevant to modern life in the U.K. It’s ancient mince.
I don’t know why I read your posts. It’s the same nonsense each and every time. Utter guff, and written very long. Learn some brevity if you are just going to post the same irrelevant pish 48 times under each article on WoS.
You don’t know??? That’s amazing because everyone else knows why you read them.
You read them for the same reason as Chas reads them and it’s the same reason why you flame-bait on this site.
Lord Naw-Naw says at 4:55 pm
“I don’t know why I read your posts. It’s the same nonsense each and every time. Utter guff”
People in glass houses…
Rev’s rules say “Don’t feed the trolls”.
On the stv news last night there was an interview with a parent talking about nursery places and the exhorbitant charges associated with them, for 2.5 days a week she is being charged between £700-£1000 a month HTF is that affordable
Then we have an interview with a nursery OWNER who says it is not enough and the council are setting TOO LOW recompense to the nurseries
When my MIL was in a care home she was paying £700 per week rising to almost £1000 per week, YET that chairperson of care homes was saying the same thing (it is too low and doesn’t cover costs) and he repeated it endlessly during covid
I remember when nurseries and playgroups for our kids were run by councils and were free the same with care homes for the elderly, no wonder young people in Scotland are not breeding WTF could afford those charges
ANOTHER Thatcher (tory) greed driven policy
Some of the Rev’s rules are bonkers.
ie having words like man*uscript, compu*ting, risk*ier etc without the * send posts into moderation. Absolutely bonkers!
With regards to trolls I presume trolls are highly recognisable and if the Rev don’t want no trolls then wouldn’t it make more sense if he banned the fuckers.
I think the Rev wrote his T&C’s a long time ago and they are possibly well out of date.
If you are going to demand others ‘don’t feed the trolls’ you will need to name the trolls.
For example ‘Don’t feed Ruby she’s a troll’
Perhaps better if you think someone is a troll you should report them to Stu and then he can get rid of them.
I find it quite irritating when posters tell others what to do.
Take the recent post by ‘Lord Naw-Naw of the Naw Baws’ he got a bit carried away with himself telling James Che what he should and shouldn’t post, how many times he should post and the length his posts should be. He thinks he’s the moderator our colonial master & believes he knows what others are interested in.
Is ‘Lord Naw-Naw of the Naw Baws’ a troll and does this mean James Che should just say nothing. That in my opinion is a big ask well for me it is.
If I were James Che I would feed ‘Lord Naw-Naw of the Naw Baws’ I would however keep it nice and simple and just post
???
but then I’m pretty rude and James Che is very polite.
@ a scot abroad
You are so correct
Che is the most BORING poster on this site
He /she talks mince
All this rubbish about whatever – claim of right etc
Lets think – leave UK WITHOUT ANY DEAL IS ABSOLUTE RUBBISH
Twathater,
nothing in life is “free”: somebody, somewhere is paying for it, including council nurseries and playgroups.
Have you forgotten your basic economics?
https://wingsoverscotland.com/now-the-traffic-lights-change/comment-page-1/#comment-2797455
Oh dear!
Please replace ??? with a
V
My middle finger emoji didn’t work still a simple V works just as well.
I have to admit that I have not yet read any of the comments, but sorry, Rev I tried very hard to watch that video all the way through but could not.
It made me at first depressed, then increasingly angry. Not a good start to the weekend.
The electorate here in Scotland needs to wake up. If we want Independence, we can exercise our Sovereign Right to vote for it by voting for a real Independence Party.
After more than 9 years, it seems depressingly unlikely that this will happen any time soon.
@ Ruby: I am pretty sure most people know who the trolls are.
The aim of this site is to get independence restored to Scotland, and resolve the social and political troubles we see.
It is a pity when it is cluttered up by people who don’t share these aims.
The problem with the ‘don’t feed the trolls’ rule is they start feeding one another as can be seen a few posts before this one.
Anyone heard the result of the” no ifs no doubt” indeyref 2??
tumbleweed… crickets… squirrels.
I don’t know if that is an accurate description of ‘Wings Over Scotland’ anymore I had a wee look at the ‘About Us’ the other day when I was asked if I wanted this site just to be an echo chamber.
The About us says
Wings Over Scotland is a Scottish political website, which focuses particularly on the media – whether mainstream print and broadcast organisations or the online and social-network community – as well as offering its own commentary and analysis.
One thing I do know from personal experience is ‘personal abuse’ is still a punishable offence BTL on Wings and ‘A Scot Abroad’ and the new poster called ‘Andrew scott’ have both subjected James Che to quite a bit of personal abuse as does their pal Chas.
My offence was pretty mild in comparison. I merely called John Main a nutter. Of course I think you have to be reported to Stu. which I was no doubt by Mr John Main. I got months of PMT for that.
A Scot Abroad’ the new poster called ‘Andrew scott’ & Chas are not only personally abusive to James Che they are also guilty of bullying.
Do you suggest people just ignore it and say nothing.
What I am saying to these three is:
Leave the guy alone if you don’t like his posts then don’t read them.
@ Ruby: “Do you suggest people just ignore it and say nothing?”
Just report it to Rev via Contact button.
FWIW I read James Che and yourself!
I have just received notification that my Yes vote in yesterday’s Referendum has been declared null and void. The branches of my X vote were outwith the 00.2 mm allowed. I used a laser micrometer to measure my X. Prince WallyWally of Nigeria is asking his Secretary a P Murrell to verify the result. An additional cost of £75 is required. I checked with the WGD blog and nobody is willing to admit a Referendum was held yesterday. I think I have been conned.
Have you done that Sarah?
Maybe report Chas & Captain Yossarian at the same time and that could be four ‘trolls’ gone by tomorrow.
There maybe some others if your thinking is Unionist = Troll.
I read a post by a Unionist the other night I can’t remember his name. He’s a ‘new Scot’ been here for 40 years and had some complaint about what he might be called by John Sweeney.
Although I don’t think he was being abusive.
@ruby
I am not a new poster btw
Re chas “personal abuse”???
I called him boring -hardly personal abuse
He/she clutters up the site with same old same old
Which will get us nowhere
@ Ruby: I have reported personally abusive commenters from time to time. I think some were blocked or warned by the Rev.
@ruby
You clutter up this site as well
Have a good nite
I can see The Rev walking away from all this pish fairly soon
Alba, and their greatest asset (guess who) are steadfastly refusing to do the one thing that could make life interesting in terms of a challenge to who owns the narrative regards driving independence
Result- no one is driving independence, and as a tangible, quickly achievable goal it’s disappearing into once in a generation territory
BTL is dominated by a few choice wa*kers of unionist (subservient) disposition who each time I read them make it longer til the next time I come back.
I guess I’m one of the lucky ones in that I’m busy enough to not be dragged down by the current malaise.
We have only one democratic option left and it requires Alex Salmond to stand down from the figurehead role and lead us in a smarter way.
I’m not holding my breath
Love lots of you here
Wouldn’t pish on the toon trolls while they sizzled in front of me
Tartan pigsty 11.41pm
I remember you being one of Sturgeon’s biggest cheerleaders.
You were repeatedly told before the 2021 Scottish elections that Sturgeon was a dud and she had to be voted out of office.
Arseholes like you were having none of it, and you led with the usual shite that if you were not voting SNP 1&2 then you just had to be a Unionist.
So if anybody is to be blamed for the mess we are currently in, then it’s pricks like you and the rest of the thick as fuck SNP groupies.
I too am sick of the Yoon trolls on here.
Two points: the fact that they resort to insulting Scots and Scotland generally, and to obnoxious personal attacks on independence-supporting commenters in particular, demonstrates their lack of any positive or coherent argument for their position. Also, arguing with trolls is giving them precisely what they want. Their aim is to distract, divert and disrupt. That is why they keep posting their nonsense on here. I know it’s difficult to ignore their provocation, but they don’t deserve the satisfaction of knowing that anyone here gives a toss about the insulting garbage they post.
All those in favour of a troll-ignoring policy, say aye!
Leaving aside personal abuse, which is never welcome, from whatever direction, and which many of us too easily use and shouldn’t…
What is better: a debate, or an echo chamber?
A Scot Abroad says: 21 October, 2023 at 4:11 am
Leaving aside personal abuse, which is never welcome, from whatever direction, and which many of us too easily use and shouldn’t…
What is better: a debate, or an echo chamber?
Another cry baby that can’t stand the heat after running his mouth off.
How sad, too bad, never mind.
STOP feeding John Main and his “names”,,,
Otherwise the place will be flooded again by another dose of Yoon links.
Your choice nunbnuts.
You have been warned.
And it’s not a pretty site.
Should be interesting to see how many replies you get.
What I’m seeing on here is posters are so afraid to ‘clutter up the thread’ of ‘feeding the trolls’ of ‘going off topic’ etc they aren’t posting anything.
There is an argument for ‘feeding the trolls’ but FMD the whole debate about trolls is boring.
Here’s a link to something that isn’t about trolls or maybe it is
https://archive.ph/ECH4Q
I’m exhausted by nationalism, says Lisa Cameron who quit SNP for the Tories
Speaking on Radio 4’s Woman’s Hour on Thursday, Dr Cameron was asked if she still believed in Scottish independence. She replied: “No I don’t.”
Micheal Laing 1.51am.
Aye!!!
You don’t debate you just flame-bait.
What we really want to see is the English (spit) getting well and truly fucked tonight at 8pm by the mighty South African Springboks Rugby team.
The English (spit) don’t like one of the Colonies getting above themselves, they think they are masters of all,,,so should make for interesting viewing.
C,mon the Springboks.
Get intae they English bastards!!!
How do you stop John Main and his “names” from feeding one another.
Surely the answer to all of this is for you to put pressure on Stu to ban the trolls.
I think John Main has been banned well maybe not banned but being pre-moderated.
I do but then there is no shortage of space on here.
There’s always plenty of space even more so at the moment because not many people are posting anything. Could be everyone is fed-up.
Anyway Andrew instead of complaining about other posters how about you post something interesting?
Here’s another link that might or might not be of interest
https://archive.ph/goTSZ
Kathleen Stock: Gender clinic staff may put children at risk
“My findings suggest that the NHS gender services are yet to become a clinically safe space for children and teens.”
I think you should only be allowed to make a comment on this site if you are paying a monthly amount to the good Rev( no matter how small) irrespective of what side of the debate you are on. It Might cut down on the spam.
Ruby 7.20am
The name “John Main” maybe be banned,,,but he must have about a dozen other “names” he is currently using.
So banning the name “John Main” doesn’t achieve a thing.
He just clutters up the place using his other anonymous names.
The guy is a women’s vagina.
A Shareen Nanjiani.
Den -I look in from time to time but I am interested to know what you call “spam”? I would call James Che spam and I never read any of his stuff. It was pointless three-hundred years ago and so it is double or triple pointless today. I call Ruby spam because all she does is seek to intimidate and provoke. I reckon this site would be improved if both were put on pre-moderation (or whatever it is called) for a time. That would clear the site of probably 70% of the vapid tittle-tattle and gossip.
Ron Clark – You make my point for me, Ron. John Main makes reasonable points on here. I don’t respond to any of them but if I strongly disagreed, then I probably would. Is John Main spam? No, I don’t think he is and if you ever hope to win a future independence referendum, then you will need to respectfully engage with thousands of John Mains, won’t you.
@Ron Clark 1.42 am
Wrong guy and wrong spelling Ron
So that’s Da Two Ron Wrongs Ron 😉
Last campaign for the SNP was 2019 GE when I grudgingly threw my weight and time behind a candidate I’d little faith in but they were up against Dougie Dross
So I felt there was little option
I’ve been a fairly inconspicuous member of Alba since day one bar GE21 when I did all I could to no avail
I was wondering more what others thought about Alex’ position tbh
We all know how powerful the media are and my personal belief is that he has to reframe his role
Anyone e.g. L. Cameron, who quits even a nominally Scottish nationalist party for one that is an unashamedly Anglo-British nationalist one is certainly not exhausted by «nationalism».
She may become exhausted by the need to constantly bail out the rotting hulk that is the British state whose third rate leadership will expect her to jump to it.
I think that yoon trolling can be related to visits to the ‘smallest room in the house’.
ASA likes to squeeze one out just before bed usually.
Yosser and Main are obvious martyrs to continual leakage.
Chas can only manage a small shrivelled cat turd about once a week.
Free speech is what it is.
They only embarrass themselves.
Michael Laing @ 1:51 am
“the fact that they resort to insulting Scots and Scotland generally”
Aside from economic plunder and external political control, the main role of the colonizer is to debase the colonized, to make them feel inadequate in all respects, and to make any prospect of liberation seem impossible.
https://bpb-us-w2.wpmucdn.com/wp.towson.edu/dist/b/55/files/2022/05/The-Socio-Political-Determinants-of-Scottish-Independence.pdf
@captain Yoss, one man or women’s Spam is anothers mana , I will leave it to the individual. But I agree some on here treat it like a madrasah constantly pushing their doctrine.
Johnlm – There’s a lot going-on in the world. You wouldn’t know anything about that by looking-in here, would you. The dynamic never changes from year to year, decade to decade. Attack and belittle, attack and belittle. Your mission is to convert hundreds of thousands of “Yoons” into “Nationalists” and your tiresome toilet humour isn’t going to do that.
Tartanpigsy
I felt Alex Salmond should have stepped down or have been challenged as Alba leader when he swore fealty to KCIII as his overlord.
I cannot reconcile the position that Scots have a sovereign right to end the Union with Alba leader Alex Salmond swearing all love and faithful obedience to the UK head of state.
Under Alex Salmond guidance, Alba is following the failed Westminster / Holyrood SNP dead-end route to independence. And till date has been nothing more than cheerleaders for the SNP.
Alba has looked to the SNP to implement the good ideas like a Constitutional Convention and Scotland United, which it appears the SNP will only manipulate to save the SNP gravy train.
In my view, Alex looks like a WWI general trying to use the same tactics in WWII. The media blackout is also a factor for the poor results. I think that though Alex was framed and was rightfully found not guilty of any crime, he did not come out of the trial with his reputation untarnished.
James Kelly of ScotGoesPop wants to introduce one member one vote for NEC positions and Craig Murray has recently stated that Alba should be challenging the SNP not supporting them. I hope they will be elected despite Mr Murray having a more accepting view of transsexuals self-id than many in the party would like.
Until Alba stop being an Alex Salmond’s SNP clone party I am concerned they will continue to go nowhere for a long time. The conference is coming up, I’ll see how it goes, then I will consider my membership of the Alex Salmond fan club aka The Alba Party.
Is Imodium effective on logorrhoea?
No need to attempt conversions, the coming collapse of the AngloAmmerican Empire with concentrate minds.
Until then have a laugh.
sarah says on 20 October 2023 at 8:08 pm:
“@ Ruby: Just report it to Rev via Contact button.”
You can’t! Rev stated some time ago that functions such as the “Contact” facility no longer work. He said anyone needing to contact him can do so via his social media ‘X’ account. And as far as i know, you not only have to have an ‘X’ (Twitter) account but only those with “subscription” accounts can use the ‘X’ personal messaging system.
I could be wrong about those details, but not about how he expects folk to contact him with complaints etc. Or maybe the ‘contact’ facility on here is now working but i’ve never seen any update from Stuart being announced on here. I don’t do social media so i couldn’t say if he’s made any announcement on his ‘X’ account. Hope this helps!
All that nothing provides hell of a distraction from the inquiry into coughid malfeasance but, in absence of a cheery cartoon, here’s another wee gem that may have slipped under the radar – despite having the potential to help everyone not yet wondering how prosecutors in the Salmond/ Ferrier (attempted) political assassinations can still have their job/ house/ shoes (considering the proceeds of alleged crime legislation, etc), answer the question as to whether Scotland is on the road to being a nation (again) – or just another fultown county
https://thefederalist.com/2023/10/20/sidney-powells-plea-proves-fulton-county-prosecutor-went-nuclear-to-get-trump/
This is my last visit to the Wings site as it has lost its relevance as independence and the SNP are finished. Nicla and SNP following Jacinda Adhern in New Zealand whose party vote dropped from 61% in 2020 to 25% this month and she had to leave the country before the election or it would have been worse.Both promised the earth and delivered nothing but woke type policies that the majority of the electorate are not interested in. Bye.
Last post for this morning, today, this week or for the next two years?
Interesting comment about Jacinda Adhern I’m going to find out more about that.
Bye…………for now!
Alex Salmond is the leader.
I don’t see the SNP interviewing the residents of Wyndford.
Alex Salmond has never stopped leading.
There’s no one more inspiring than him. Not a single person I know not a single person in politics.
I will make sure his name is immortal to my children and grandchildren. The dream shall never die.
Salmond is the leader of the Alba Party. Personally I wouldn’t vote for anyone else. He wants Scotland United. He’s showed us the way. The SNP hasn’t listened and has chosen it’s own path.
It’s clear to me that’s why everyone is pissed off. There’s been no rebellion in the SNP. No take over. No leadership challenge. No split. Just a bunch of nodding dogs going back meeky into the political shaddows. They don’t even want to fight to save themselves.
@ Alan Austin: as a Wings reader you must know that there are other routes to independence than the SNP.
Neither independence nor Wings are irrelevant or finished. They are both essential for the wellbeing of the bulk of the Scottish population.
What is needed is more flexibility and invention by the true independence parties in order to assist the non-political groups.
Alex Salmond should be chair or president of Alba, not leader, until he takes open action against the perjurers. Alba should accept that the franchise for any independence vote should be on a similar basis to those in many European countries. And Alba should support wholeheartedly the principle that the people are sovereign and not the politicians. Alba should therefore support Salvo/Liberation and the Declaration of a Sovereign Scot.
ISP has already shown itself more free-thinking than Alba with its policy of abstentionism.
It would be useful if our Scottish independence parties stood in English seats -it would give publicity for our arguments for the independence of England as well as ourselves, and Wales.
The above are just a few thoughts to start with. But independence is an urgent necessity and the principles of People’s Sovereignty, and not therefore accepting Charles Windsor as king of Scotland until he takes the Scottish Coronation oath, are not debatable. For God’s sake, politicians, wake up and do your duty by us.
Here’s an idea…
If you think that a comment is spam or flame-baiting, then do not respond to it or refer to it in any comment you post.
I do not believe that all those commenters who are accused of spamming are actually guilty. However, posting the same content again and again may be construed by some as spamming – or flame-baiting.
Sorry to see long-time commenters typing goodbye…
Ruby,
re flame-baiting.
Take a look in the mirror.
Michael Laing , AYE!
https://archive.ph/bfgsP
Why the left stumbled in Australia and New Zealand
I thought I would have a look at what has going on in New Zealand & Australia.
Not that easy to understand as I know absolutely nothing about New Zealand or Australian politics.
I found the ‘Australia’s ‘Voice’ referendum to recognise its indigenous population’ interesting but there again I don’t know much about it.
From the little I’ve heard it seems Australian & New Zealand are as captured by gender ideology as Canada.
The last paragraph of the article states
Other centre-left leaders, such as the UK opposition head Sir Keir Starmer, might be wise to take heed of the situation as they approach their own elections. Kenny said it was important to remember, in the moment of victory, that the success may be more about the other side being voted out, rather than you being voted in. “You need to build your own legitimacy. Don’t make bold declarations on election night,” he said.
Good advice for Anas Sarwar.
Will do but the question is will you?
A minority appropriated the SNP and twisted and bent the party to suit their purpose.
Is it beyond the capacity and will of the nationalist majority to take it back?
I do not understand the defeatism in the face of these opportunists and identitarian carpetbaggers who have «queered the pitch».
Tanks at the palace gates?
That’s a totally rubbish idea. If I think something is spam or a flame-bait I’ll say so.
I hope you are feeling fit & healthy Brian.
Let me know if you aren’t and I’ll be a bit kinder about your
rubbishideas. 😉Scottish MP’s start their weekends on Thursday as we know and will have missed Andrew Bridgen’s speech about excess death numbers over the last three years.
Any Scottish MP who finally decides to get off their arse, to address the subject, can find the speech on Dr. John Campbell’s YouTube channel
– Parliamentary speech on excess deaths
Hi Ruby.
From: https://wingsoverscotland.com/about/
2. Play the ball, not the man (or woman).
And by all means disagree, by all means disagree forcefully – but argue with people’s views, don’t insult them personally. And that includes calling them “trolls” or implying they’re undercover Unionists. We’ll decide if someone’s trolling or not. But in the meantime, if you think they are, ignore them.
If you know what a “troll” is, then you’ll also know that getting you angry and talking about them, derailing the conversation off the subject, is exactly what they want.
Email us about suspected trolls if you want. But don’t engage them in debate if you doubt their motives, and DEFINITELY don’t engage in on-thread discussions about whether they’re a troll or not.
Well, I guess I should follow your instructions, rather then Rev Stu’s, which, according to you, are “rubbish”.
Independence will be fought against by the media because countries being allowed to celebrate their culture and identity gets in the way of their managed decline into retail zones. Several of the so called supporters of independence who posted BTL at the Herald were quite open in their desire to see Scotland a non white majority country with one regularly posting the lyrics to the song Melting Pot and Iain Macwhirter at one point making reference to this not being helpful.
@Ruby, the referendum in Australia was held under false pretence. What the population were told was a one page declaration of the aims of the referendum turned out to be actually over twenty pages long but the other twenty pages of detail and demands were withheld from public scrutiny until someone did a bit of digging. There is an active industry of people who would be shoo ins for the SNP here due to their mercenary wokist ambitions claiming to have found an Aboriginal great, great, great aunts cousin and then applying for charitable status.
I have close connections in Australia who tell me that it is a woke Stalinist environment in which opinions have to be very carefully measured before voicing them even amongst friends or the enforcers of Wokery will go after your job.
This may be of interest to Alf. A few years ago whilst reading up on gang culture and the policing of it I read about the practice of making offenders meet their victims as part of the rehabilitation process. This had varying measures of success across the demographics until it got to Aborigines. They were an outlier who actually reoffended at a greater rate after being forced to meet the victims of their previous crimes.
Regarding Lisa Cameron I agree with Humza
Humza Yousaf said she must never have believed in an independent Scotland.
There are a number of posters on here who are like Lisa Cameron who claim to be independence supporters but they aren’t. Like her they are probably Tories.
Tories masquerading as independence supporters who come on here 24/7 and are always antagonistic aka flame-baiting are in my opinion the source of a lot of problems.
Well, the big day came and went – and with no sense of shame (a psychopath trait), the SNP just acted like “it never happened”; they are to nationalism what Bernie Madoff was to a safe retirement. Still, we can talk about “one we made earlier”.
That there was anything dodgy about the 2014 referendum is a bit of a third rail – certainly for yoons, they get upset, but also for most nationalists who are worried about the slur of “conspiracy theorising”; but here is a list of smells, off the top of my head
– no exit polls
NB when there is an election in foreign lands and no exit polls the BBC will be quick to delegitimise the result (if the winner is an enemy)
– ruth davidson knew the result before the count – how?
– no separate count of the postals; they got mixed back in – why would you do this?
– no photography allowed
– smaller turnouts in the yes areas
– online twitter sentiment 2:1 for YES on the day
– very high proportion of postal votes, 18%, 7789000
– polls closed the gap, crossed into a small YES lead, then diverged to a NO victory
– the franchise was wrong anyway, the UN would not have allowed the incomers a vote (kinda rigged to begin with)
that is fact, nothing speculative. Then we get into the more juicy
– statistically impossible results for postal registrations in some areas
– a story about “extra” ballots being printed
– winger ianb’s fascinating tale of “the sharp dressed man”
– the day after, where I live, there was a sense of gloom, and paranoia as we all looked at each other; but the majority should have been happy, right?
The COURT CASE to get hold of the unions polling is really intriguing; that they don’t want to release them seems to say a lot.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/23813223.live-court-challenge-secret-union-polling-begins/
– lots of weaselly lawyer bullshit. It’s data, just release it FFS, what do you have to hide?
I don’t expect much from this; the usual coverup – you are asking judges to hack at the branch they sit on. Or, they hold out, eventually forced to release the data, but who is to say they hand over the right stuff?
Maybe the polls showed the YES were going to romp it, not even close – then it becomes obvious to anyone not in coma – it was rigged.
What happens if we were cheated and everyone knows it?
– it INVALIDATES THE RESULT
IT INVALIDATES ALL ACTIONS OF UKGOV in Scotland since then.
It DEMANDS A NEW INDYREF, IMMEDIATELY, UNDER INTERNATIONAL, UN, CONTROL. And also a massive civil claim for reparations for 9 years worth of tax revenues.
Also, if the UNION HAS NO LEGITIMACY (it never did) and it certainly hasn’t if it RIGS A DEMOCRATIC POLL to ensure its own survival, then in international law Scotland is “OCCUPIED BY A FOREIGN POWER”.
What this means is, legally, you have a RIGHT OF RESISTANCE, OF ARMED CONFLICT. I doubt that Biden will be sending us 110B worth of weapons and offering to train pilots over at Nellis – but it really opens up a can of worms.
Not telling Rev how to run his site, and I don’t even know if it’s possible on his server, but I always felt a good way of dealing with trolls was having up-ticks and down-ticks, and anybody getting 6+ downticks, you had to press a link to actually read the comment.
Nobody is cancelled or silenced, but the website just helps people scroll by the trolls with ease, and kinda self regulates at the same time.
It can also discourage folk from feeding trolls, because their comments can be screened by public opinion the same way the Troll can.
It is open to abuse unfortunately, since we all know the Wokerati do love a good pile on, but they’re typically spoiled children with a short attention span. They’ll get bored.
BDTT @ 12.11
A timely reminder to us, Brian. Unforunately, I strongly suspect, one which will be blithely ignored by the self selected “chosen few”.
I never mentioned trolls Brian.
Stu says
We’ll decide if someone’s trolling or not.
I assume that would mean anyone trolling would be banned resulting in zero trolls in this website.
If that is the case there is no need for anyone to post ‘do not feed the troll’.
Although these messages do not name the troll it suggests
1. There is a troll currently posting on Wings
2. Someone has feed the troll
That seems to be in breach of Stu’s rules. ie calling someone a troll
If the person has recognised a troll then why post the ‘do not feed the troll’ message and not email Stu immediately alerting him of a troll as he suggests?
OK I am guilty of suggesting someone is an undercover Unionist. Perhaps someone will report me.
I wouldn’t advise you to follow my instructions Brian I have already done time on the naughty step.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/now-the-traffic-lights-change/comment-page-1/#comment-2797578
I should have added to the above post I wonder if Humza ever truly believed in independence.
Cheers Anton Decadent
Interesting post.
I am following my own advice.
Michael Laing: Aye!!!
How «gender woke» is destroying England’s culture.
https://www.rsc.org.uk/
All in plain sight.
@Ruby, you’re welcome. For a glimpse into how nothing is as it seems in race grifting, the hidden hand behind the scenes, look up Rachel Dolezal.
@ BDTT: “following my own advice”.
That is the correct approach, BDTT. I follow it too. 🙂
Meanwhile have you got your snorkel at hand, being at the heart of the red warning area?
When the political traffic lights get stuck.
https://thecritic.co.uk/homeostasis-and-the-death-of-politics/
Jumping them becomes an existential imperative.
@Anton decadent
Rachel Dolezal.
A remake of ‘The Jerk’ 1979 with Steve Martin.
Congratulations, Confused, at 12:22 pm,
You’ve written out a screed of nonsense conspiracy theory junk, before concluding that Scots have a right of armed resistance. That’s quite a bold thing to openly state within modern society.
I consider spamming as using this site for free advertising of your product or your pet project. The only person I accused of spamming was Captain Yossarian and that was only after he decided to tell me what I should and shouldn’t post. I though that was a cheek as he had spammed this site 24/7 for a period of two years about his ‘sinking school project/grievance’
He used this site for free advertising of his project that to me equals spamming. Stu was fine with it. Not sure if he’s fine with Captain Yossarian returning the favour by making some very serious sexist comments here on Wings. It’s not a good look.
There was someone I can’t remember his name who flooded this site with links to newspapers, dictionary definitions etc etc not sure what he gained by it or if he could be described as a spammer. A lot of posters got annoyed by it but Stu seemed fine with it.
Maybe the more links the better the SEO.
I thought it was a bit strange but I wasn’t too bothered as I could just scroll past. If this guy who flooded the site with links came back and complained about me ‘cluttering up the thread’ or some such shit then I may have something to say about him.
Being constantly antagonistic I consider to be flame-baiting or as is colloquially known being a wind-up merchant you know the type, someone who can cause trouble in an empty house.
No idea if these wind-up merchants meet the definition of trolls or not. I have no idea what a troll actually is.
If you want me not to feed the trolls you are going to have to name names.
Retaining my politeness even against those whom wish cancel culture to shut up Scots on a site that supports scotttish independence,
As Ruby points out it includes published articles, The treaty of union is a legal side of publishing published articles as the references are all recorded.better in Westminster historical records than in Scotland who’s history has been deleted in many cases by british education in Scotland,
So it cause for a amusing debate for unionist, or abusive trolling in telling not to quote the union side of Westminster records
Talking of the treaty of union as “ancient mince” is the “one subject” that I tend to agree with them on, when dissected, it is indeed a pile of ancient mince,
However it is a compelling revelation that only the subject of the treaty of union investigations is the one subject that irks them,
After all I have done many comments on,
gender issues,
Stu’ photography.
The virus.
The Snp.
Colonialism.
Finance,
Pensions
Women’s rights,
Trade,
Brexit,
Voting franchises,
Referendums,
To name but a few,
But if I mention, the following subjects the scorn from them comes to the top like bile and cancel J C becomes very active.
Scots Sovereignty.
The treaty of union,
The Claim of right,
Colony.
So if these are the educational historical recorded subjects they do not “want Scots to debate” that hurt union protectors, and are touchy subjects to them, Then these are the very subjects I need to persist in,
So I keep this in mind, what do they (not) want you to learn?
When you are over a direct target, you come under enemy fire.
I hate these posts where posters don’t have the balls to name names.
Some questions for you Sven
1. Who are the self selected “chosen few”
2. How do I recognise a troll?
3. Are there any trolls currently posting on the site?
4. Should it not be Stu giving the reminder and not Brian?
5. Is it possible that Stu unlike Brian doesn’t really care?
6. Is there a Free Masons type clique on here who understand these secret codes like self selected “chosen few” & troll?
If I may make a request once again to anyone on here whom is genned up on old history.
When and where where was Queen Anne of England, France and Ireland under go the ceremony to be coronated queen of Scots. And the kingdom of Scots?
I am unable to find any trace of the coronation in Scotland,
And I have not bothered looked for the coronation of a that particular “supposed Scottish” monarch crowning in the kingdom of England where she was as successor of the English throne.
Ruby – Storm Babet deposited something like 8″ of rainfall in the Aberdeen area over the past 2-days.
If the school is indeed sinking it will be sinking now? What do you say?
I used to speak about a number of subjects on WoS, but dealing with full-time trouble-makers and sweetie-wives is not for me.
Sarah @ 11.16
” Alex Salmond should be chair or president of Alba, not leader, until he takes open action against the perjurers. Alba should accept that the franchise for any independence vote should be on a similar basis to those in many European countries. And Alba should support wholeheartedly the principle that the people are sovereign and not the politicians. Alba should therefore support Salvo/Liberation and the Declaration of a Sovereign Scot. ”
I agree .
I’m a member of ALBA – albeit of the * passive * kind , but TBH I think Political Parties are pretty much done now , the whole model is obsolete and has proven to be totally ineffective at countering Power , or even knowing where the REAL power lies .
It’s as if the entire corpus of * establishment * ie conventional political parties has been so thoroughly intimidated by the weaponisation of the label ” conspiracy theorists ” they simply refuse to look under the stone , behind the curtain or accept ANY interpretation of events/conditions that hasn’t been passed through the fine-mesh sieve of MSM-sanctioned * reality * .
Of course , when we look at the calibre of contemporary politicians we’re obliged to concede the majority of them are too dim , compromised , obsessed with their own agendas ( and self-image ) and/or benefiting greatly from the status quo . Look at Holyminster , FFS .
This is why you never hear any politician – from any Party – referring to Schwab/WEF , the M.I.C , Clinton/Gates * Foundations * and , recently , the idiocies and absurd ( calculated ) hysteria induced by * Covid * , and , currently , the vast increase in excess mortality – ‘kin hell it’s taken a Tory ie Andrew Bridgen to attempt to bring some attention to this situation , and that against a wall of virtual silence and fastidious nothing-to-see-hear ostrich impersonating .
Likewise the utterly shameful silence around the slow , cruel psychological torture of Julian Assange – for , remember , the * crime * of revealing the truth about the warmongering machinations / war crimes perpetrated by * our * political class , almost always without our knowledge , consultation or sanction
For ALBA to have any chance of standing-out amidst this ” moronic inferno ” they REALLY need to start challenging the narratives that are constantly being fed to us , the relentless lies and bullshit , the deliberate dumbing-down of political discourse and the rapidly-increasing censorship of counter-narratives – I’ve yet to hear a word of criticism re the EU Digital Services Act that gives unelected bureau/technocrats the power to decide what can be said online – this is a massive step towards eliminating dissent completely and the silence is deafening .
And , yes , ALBA also needs to stop being so fckn prissy and condescending towards Salvo/Liberation.Scot and get right behind the work these groups are doing , likewise , fully embrace Alf Baird’s insights and explications into our condition as a subjugated People . Being a bit better than the SNP is a woefully feeble aspiration .
Change the whole game ; in fact , refuse to play the game . Getting a few ALBA reps into WM and Holyrood won’t make the slightest bit of difference to our cause ; the stultifying effect of those two moribund institutions will stifle any attempt at radical change . Something we desperately need .
@ Ruby at 12.21
I met Lisa Cameron several times in 2014/15, and did not detect any falseness in her avowed support for independence. So I don’t agree with Humza. I think she’s changed her mind, which is a pity but at least partly understandable. She gave up a reasonably well-paid, secure, career, and yes, when she was selected she was a paper candidate in a supposedly very safe Labour seat, so will not have expected to win, but then did, and put a lot of effort into her new job.
I disagree with her about many things, but trying to make out she was always a fraud, as Humza has done, is head in the sand behaviour, a typical failure to consider the implications of her change of heart and accept any blame himself.
There are two topical, real world, articles on Spiked.
One a well deserved smack in the mouth to conceited Owen Jones and another on lady boy Andrew Burns and the surreal implications of abandoning pure reason.
I feel that both might benefit from a couples holiday in sunny Gaza….you’ll never want to leave, Hamas is soooo….how can one put it, versatile.
To be honest I do not mind the possible trolls or the people ( Scots or English ) trying to protect the union.
For a start they seldom come back with viable links to oppose the union information I uncover in the historical records.
If they do come back under panic conditions they either make fools of themselves or appear as abusive, targeting a person rather than the subject,
And there are a passel of people in Scotland and on here that are highly intelligent and knowledgable enough to set them Straight with the correct linked information to cut through the misinformation that we have been fed in Scotland regards treaties, colonisation situations, native language, culture and history,
It is beneficial, even if bullying to have opposition as it inspires us to to break free.
Just like Australia, voting on omitted information ( disinformation by control) Scotland has done the same in the past,
Voted while been kept ignorant of the facts,
Time we did a bit of digging ourselves.
Robert Hughes,
In a nutshell, well said.
I don’t think that Scotland independence has ever been just about Scotland. It’s about ending what has become the rapist capitalism that control what calls itself Western Democracy. The successor to Empire.
Scotland is a cornerstone to it all and Scottish folk have been key to it . It’s a global matter. As wee as we are , we’re part of something massive.
@ Robert Hughes at 2.53: “Political parties…the whole model is obsolete..”
Agreed. I’m favouring sortition – a random selection of citizens couldn’t possibly be worse than what we have now.
At the very least the party system should be abolished. Candidates would be subject to far more scrutiny by voters if standing as an individual than they currently do as Party reps.
Assange is a particularly shameful example of subjects that are seemingly ignored by our MPs. I would think that Joanna Cherry could be kicking up some kind of cross-party fuss about his treatment but I’ve never heard that anything is being done.
@ Robert Hughes 2.53pm And Sarah, Robert another great comment and one which I totally agree with , Confused ANOTHER great comment which as usual brings out the proud Scots BUT panic
MESSIANIC support and forgiveness will NEVER win us independence we NEED FIGHT, LOOK at what the adulation done for sturgeon , it DESTROYED FORWARD MOVEMENT and allowed paedos and deviants into the sun from the shadows
Back in the Good Old Bad Old days.
A Tranny was where Tiger Tim Lived.
Sortitition in some form sounds good to me too.
Wrecks the Party gravy train.
Robert Hughes @ 2:53 pm
“Change the whole game ; in fact , refuse to play the game”
Yes, the colonized need to break from the system, whereas a compromise would only continue the colonial racket in some form or other. Much as we see with SNP inaction and lack of innovation that has caused the rupture in the movement. ALBA’s leadership rapidly need to figure this out.
Micheal Laing,
Re trolls,
I take a entirely different slant on the trolls,
They are constant reminder to us Scots and Scotland what we are wanting independence from, Abuse,
Verbal, politically and the Colony oppresser mind of control set in attempting to control the indigenous people of our Country,
I some times wonder how quickly the independence movement in Scotland over the the last three hundred years would have subsided if the Colonial oppressers of Scotland had played Mr nice guy and treated Scotland as if it were in a union,
Perhaps the word Scotland would have been forgotten as we blended equally into Britain,
The constant fear of Scotland not being captured and losing Control down south of Scotland has instigated years of animosity between the two separate kingdoms.
The derogatory treatment towards Scotland and Scots over the years is what has maintained the want in Scots to be free and independent,
The grassroots movement in Scotland was never really a political party, it was a Country of people whom were sick of being repeatedly treated like second class humans beings against Westminster Colonial control of Scots.
The trolls do us a constant big favour in their every day attempts to belittle Scots and Scotland in their Colonial mind set manner,
Lest we forget why we want Scotland and the people of Scotland to be free and independent of the old Colonial Empire,
They are on here to consistently remind us that we are no longer wish to be kept down as a race of indigenous people and by their Colonialism of Scotland,
Even the new comers to Scotland begin to see the other side that Scotland and Scots have had to suffer with for hundreds of years.,
With no alternative media in Scotland speaking up for Scots since the fallacious treaty began, for information out of Scotland, in the past they only had the word of Westminsters media and incorporations to rely on.
This gave them a false picture of what it was like to be Scottish or live in Scotland,
Those new people to Scotland can for the first time see how unionist treat Scotland with their own eyes on wings.
So, my take on trolls is they are useful idiots to Scots and Scotland in maintaining, and keeping the alive the intensity of hatred and racism from them towards a suppressed nation in Scotland,, and why there is forward push for a independent Scotland,
Many from down south now see the reason for a independent Scotland and have joined Scotland in that fight along side us,
Trolls are useful idiots when they constantly display their bias and verbally abusive racism towards Scots and Scotland.
Let them show themselves up
EU membership was a fine example of this.
During the 2014 Indy Ref Westminster didn’t want us to have an informed debate and as a result of that I would guess the YES side lost a lot of votes.
You may or may not remember the famous letters between Lord Tugendhat & Barosso. Basically Tugendhat asked Barosso what Scotland’s status would be vis a vis EU membership. He didn’t ask about the RUK’s status just Scotlands. Weird?
Barosso gave his opinion in general but suggested the UK Gov should contact the EC for a definitive answer re Scotland which they did not.
The EC would only talk to UK Gov. Why didn’t the UK Gov approach the EC? Perhaps they did and that is why they decided to get their lawyers to tell us Scotland no longer existed and was extinguished in 1707.
Whatever we never did find out what the EC said.
They did not want us to have an informed debate as a result of this Ruth Davidson was able to say ‘the only way to retain EU membership was to vote NO.
In view of the result of the EU referendum where 65% voted remain it would suggest a lot of voters in Scotland were very interested in EU membership and could have been very influenced by what Ruth Davidson said.
NB EU residents voted in the IndyRef but not in the EU Ref
For those who don’t know Lord Forsyth of Drumlean he is Michael Forsyth a Tory, a Unionist who served as Secretary of State for Scotland under John Major. Michael Moore a Lib Dem was Secretary of State for Scotland under David Cameron. He was replaced by Lib Dem Alistair Carmichael.
Michael Forsyth to Michael Moore
http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=12151
at 15.58.09
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean: You said that you wanted the debate to be as informed as possible. One of the things that Mr Swinney said to us last week was that they had a difficulty in establishing what the position would be vis-a?-vis having to apply for membership of Europe or whether they would be allowed to remain in Europe because the Commission would only talk to Governments, and that the British Government were not prepared to engage on this issue. I find it a bit puzzling how you can reconcile saying, “We are not prepared to talk to the Commission as a Government about what the consequences would be”, with saying at the same time, “We want to have a fully informed debate”. Does Mr Swinney not have a point there?
@ Sarah
Aye, in my view decent worthy non Party affiliated independent local candidates standing is the only way to go now and have previously recognised and floated this concept years ago with discussion with btl poster Ebok.
I posted the other day questioning Joanna Cherry’s amendment listing other pro-independence Parties and why it didn’t include non- Party affiliated politicians. No responses…
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-fifth-columnist/#comment-2796233
@ Ruby
Re. EU shizzle
https://wingsoverscotland.com/serving-the-nations/comment-page-1/#comment-2408091
https://wingsoverscotland.com/serving-the-nations/comment-page-1/#comment-2408098
Sortitition, in some form, sounds good to me too.
Wr3cks the Party gravy train.
Easy to organise.
I am equivocal, as an Englishman, about Scottish independence without knowing exactly what it would look like. I haven’t commented before because of that, I just like reading the arguments and try to come to an informed opinion. There is one question I never seem to get an answer to. Why have so many voters in Scotland been taken in over the years by Sturgeon and her acolytes? It was clear from the very first days of her stewardship that something was amiss. I know all politicians lie and:or stretch the truth but in Scotland and Westminster the SNP have behaved appallingly. Is the answer that so have the Tories (with knobs on) and so has Labour so thevrotteness in the SNP looked normal? Scotland is further from independence than it has been in the last 30 years and you have the SNP to thank.
@Robert Hughes (2.53) –
‘Change the whole game; in fact, refuse to play the game.’
Well said.
Genuinely pro-independence parties and groups should boycott the BBC. Give them nothing. No statements, interviews, nothing. Treat them for what they are – a hostile foreign broadcaster.
Neale and MacAskill should leave WM and do so with a bang – tell that clown of a speaker to stick his hysterical bigotry right up his nose, then walk out for the last time.
There must be many other ways of demonstrating that we no longer recognise these ‘authorities’. They’re bad actors and more fool us if we continue to deal with them in any way. Only complete disjunction will get the message across.
And that message is, ‘it’s over’.
I’m basically bored of Scotland wasting many more years on hypotheticals and polling based propositions and us not taking into account the massive and clearly observable influence of established power to outmaneuver strategies which rely on Parties or big name individuals. It’s utterly naive and futile to continue with more of the same.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/flying-with-wings/
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-cat-and-all-the-pigeons/
Has anybody actually been out and about and spoken to Scottish working class folk trying to raise families, and small to medium sized businesses trying to cope with the economic situation being part of this supposedly great union has put us in? I have and they don’t feel represented at all. They feel all this woke and virtue signalling pish should not be the priority focus of our elected officials at this time.
The whole point of Scotland returning to self-governance is so that we elect politicians to deliver what Scots want and need. We clearly ain’t getting that.
FFS, our current crop of grifting and airhead supposedly pro-indy politicians whining about democracy and governments in London that Scots didn’t elect implementing policies we don’t want, is completely undermined when “governments” Scots did elect in Holyrood are implementing policies we don’t want…
Jist get tae fuck and let others that will genuinely represent Scots’ wishes into the frae.
That’s blackface taken to extremes.
This sort of thing like transgenderism used to be consider a mental illness but no longer it’s all now perfectly normal.
Is claiming to be black any worse than a man claiming to be a woman or claiming to be Scottish just because you live in Scotland.
Hi Sarah.
I inhabit a hovelhold situated around 80-90 feet above sea level, within a tenement building. Touch wood – hopefully no need for a snorkel.
I spotted this on Amazon
The Man Who Thought He Was Napoleon – Toward a Political History of Madness
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Man-Who-Thought-Was-Napoleon/dp/022602573X
The Man who thought he was Napoleon is built around a bizarre historical event and an off-hand challenge. The event? In December 1840, nearly twenty years after his death, the remains of Napoleon were returned to Paris for burial – and the next day, the director of a Paris hospital for the insane admitted fourteen men who claimed to be Napoleon. The challenge, meanwhile, is the claim by great French psychiatrist Jean-Etienne Dominique Esquirol (1772-1840) that he could recount the history of France through asylum registries. From those two components, Laure Murat embarks on an exploration of the surprising relationship between history and madness. She uncovers countless stories of patients whose delusions seem to be rooted in the historical or political traumas of their time, like the watchmaker who believed he lived with a new head, his original having been removed at the guillotine. In the troubled wake of the Revolution, meanwhile, French physicians diagnosed a number of mental illnesses tied to current events, from “revolutionary neuroses” and “democratic disease” to the “ambitious monomania” of the Restoration. How, Murat asks, do history and psychiatry, the nation and the individual psyche, interface? A fascinating history of psychiatry – but of a wholly new sort – The Man Who Thought He Was Napoleon offers the first sustained analysis of the intertwined discourses of madness, psychiatry, history, and political theory.
Cheers Dan
Interesting links.
Ian B
” Genuinely pro-independence parties and groups should boycott the BBC. Give them nothing. No statements, interviews, nothing. Treat them for what they are – a hostile foreign broadcaster.”
Absolutely , mon frere . It’s a poisonous symbiosis that serves no one , except the protagonists ; even then , the dead-hand of fatuous BBC ” balance ” is always weighted to the Establishment/Established worldview and never tolerates any opinion that threatens to undermine that worldview . It will only end when we say ” Fuck-off , we’re no playin’ ” – or words to that effect 🙂
@ Dan . Full agreement wit’cha , our resourceful renaissance mechanical * savant * . Glad yr back compadre .
Hi Ruby at 6:57 pm.
You typed,
“Is claiming to be black any worse than a man claiming to be a woman or claiming to be Scottish just because you live in Scotland.”
I posted this example a few months ago. The first video shows singer Polly Brown ‘blacked up’ for her role in the ‘group’ Sweet Dreams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmub6Yw3LUE
The second video shows her prior to that, singing with Picketywitch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdWh-V3Gwx8
@James Che
I submitted a comment quite a while ago in response to your query. I have been refreshing and refreshing the page multiple times and even opened a new page several times, but the comment does not appear. It seems to have vanished into the abyss.
I will attempt to send it again once I see this one appears.
Hi James Che – Second attempt
Re Queen Anne’s coronation
The first Act listed for the Parliament of Scotland in 1702 was the Act Recognising Queen Ann’s Royal Authority (named “Act recognizeing her majesties’ royal authority”, reference 1702/6/28). This Act was passed on the 12 June 1702 sitting from the session opened on the 9 June 1702.
The following quote has been taken verbatim from the sitting of 12 June 1702 (source: online Records of the Parliaments of Scotland, accessed 21 October 2023):
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“‘Act recognizeing her majesties’ royal authority’
The estates of parliament, considering that by the decease of the late King William, of ever glorious memory, the crown and royal dignity of this kingdom is, according to the Claim of Right and by undoubted right of succession, devolved upon Queen Anne, our present gracious soveraign, and that her majestie hath duely sworn the coronation oath conform to the said Claime of Right; therefore the estates of parliament, for themselves and in name and behalfe of the whole subjects of this kingdom, do hereby assert, recognize and acknowledge her majesties’ royal power and authority over the said kingdom, and her undoubted right and title to the imperial crown thereof, ratifieing and approveing, likeas they hereby ratifie and approve the administrating the said coronation oath to her majestie upon the decease of the late king by the lords of privy council that were then at London and their attestation made thereupon, with the proclamation of her majesties’ privy council here in Scotland for proclaiming her majesties’ said right and title”
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As you can see from the quote above, it very much looks like Queen Anne only swore the oath in conformity with the Claim of Right in presence of members of the privy council present in London at the time William died.
By the look of it, she couldn’t be bothered in coming to Scotland to swear the coronation oath here, but hey, apparently, she sent “a most gracious” letter to the Scottish Parliament in which she regrets not attending in person due to “the multiplicity of weighty and important affairs” in which she was engaged at the time.
In the letter she includes some wording almost verbatim from the Claim of Right:
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“we give you full assurance that we are firmly resolved to maintain and protect them (our subjects) in the full possession of their religion, laws and liberties, and of the presbyterian government of the church as at present established.
It pleased God to make the late king the great instrument of delivering our people from popery and arbitrary power, and of restoring to them their ancient rights and privileges; and through the same divine grace we shall, in the whole course of our reign, aim at nothing more than the preserving to them these advantages and contribute as much as in us lies for their further security in the enjoyment of them”
—
In the following quote from the letter, she expressed her immediate interest in entering a war against France and her desire to engulf Scotland in England’s wars and using it as a cash cow to provide supplies for England’s wars:
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“The exorbitant power of the French king threatening the liberties of all Europe, and his owning the pretended prince of Wales as king of these our dominions, influencing also Spain to concur with him in that indignity, tending visibly to the subversion of the Protestant religion and the ruin of our subjects in all that is dear to them, have obliged us in pursuance of an express article of the treaty entered into by the late king and our allies to declare war in this as well as our other dominions against France and Spain, wherein we confidently expect your hearty concurrence and assistance both for the honour and safety of the kingdom, not doubting but you are affected with the same sense of these wrongs and indignities and the other just causes of war as did appear in the many loyal addresses presented by our subjects upon that occasion.
Wherefore, being most assured of your care and concern in this matter, we earnestly recommend to you the providing competent supplies for maintaining such a number of forces as may be necessary for preventing and disappointing the designs of our enemies and preserving the happy settlement you now enjoy.”
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She did not waste a minute, from the moment of becoming queen, before pushing with all her might for the union between Scotland and England to take place. The following quote is from that same first letter sent by Anne to the parliament of Scotland, even before Scotland’s parliament had a chance to recognise her authority as Queen of Scotland:
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“The late king our glorious† brother did before his death very earnestly recommend to his parliament of England the consideration of the union of the two kingdoms of Scotland and England, which, being so necessary for the security and happiness of both, we did at our accession to the crown again seriously recommend the same to them. And they having proceeded to empower us by an act of parliament to name commissioners to negotiate a union, we doubt not but you will do what is necessary on your part. And we shall contribute our utmost endeavours towards the accomplishment thereof and shall esteem it our happiness to establish the nations on so sure a foundation”
—
So Anne become Queen of Scotland with only two things in mind:
1. Dragging Scotland into England’s wars and get her to contribute to the costs
2. Uniting Scotland and England what come may.
The union between Scotland and England has always been a royal affair. Every other excuse is, in my personal opinion, just nonsense. Anne, allegedly, did not have time to come to Scotland to be crowned, but by job she did have plenty of time to immediately nominate commissioners for the effing union and start pushing for it even before her authority as Queen of Scotland was acknowledged by parliament. This is how she ended her letter:
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“And we expect, by your prudence and conduct, this session of parliament shall be brought to such a happy conclusion as shall lay the foundation of that firm union and true understanding between us and our people as is necessary for the happiness of both. And so we bid you heartily farewell. Given at our court at St James’s, 15 May 1702, and of our reign the first year..”
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We (royal we) “expect”.
The Gazette of London does not have any record of any Accession Council being convened in Edinburgh for Queen Anne, but from the parliament quote I wrote at the beginning of the comment, something at the very least symbolic must had taken place for the privy council in Scotland to declare her monarch.
If you wish to read in full the original letter queen Anne sent to the parliament of Scotland, you can do so on the London Gazette issue number 3819. You can access this via the Gazette website (thegazette.co.uk , go to “Resources” and in there the section “Succession to the Crown: Queen Anne”. You will find there links that take you to different issues of the London Gazette). It is a bit difficult to read, mind, because it is a scan of the original and of not great quality. I would recommend you to read the translation, which is accessible via the Records of the Parliaments of Scotland (rps.ac.uk). Just select the section “browse by reign”, then select Anne (1702 – 1707), then select the “translation”, go to the parliament register of the session 9 June 1702, go to procedure and select “letter from the queen”
The London Gazette also published the proclamation of Anne as Queen of England (and its dominions), Scotland, Ireland and France and the names of the 33 members of the privy council and others which were present at the time. I do not recognise among those names any Scottish one, but to be honest I didn’t really bother properly checking. This list was published in the London gazette’s issue number 3790. You can access it from the same gazette website as indicated above.
The only coronation ceremony that Anne appears to have taken part in, took place in England. This took place on 23 April 1702. You can read more about it (if you are interested in the pomp and can stomach reading every single minutiae of boring detail), in the “Book of the Court”, authored by William J Thoms, published in 1844. You can access this through the website of the University of Oregon (just google ‘coronation of queen Anne’ and ‘Book of the Court’ and ‘Thoms’. It should appear as first entry in google).
That book from Thoms also has a detailed description of the stone Edward I stole from Scotland and installed in the English coronation chair he got built. The description talks about the two iron handles and mentions a bit of what were considered the origins of the stone on the basis of what Fordun wrote in his Scoti-chronicum in medieval times. I am not sure how accurate Fordun’s description was, but he talked about a “marble chair”. The current stone is described by Thom in that book as “sandy, granular stone, a sort of debris of sienite, chiefly quartz, with light and reddish-coluoured felspar and also light and dark mica”.
The pictures of the stolen stone do not look at all like marble to me. They look like sandstone.
If I am not mistaken, marble is metamorphic and its the main component element is calcium carbonate. According to “Britannica”, the main components of sandstone are “detrital grains, mainly transported, sand-size minerals such as quartz and feldspar”, both included in Thom’s description of the stone in the English coronation chair. But hey, I might be talking total rubbish as I am not a Geologist nor I have any experience in working with stones.
According to Wikipedia, the last monarch who was crowned in Scotland was Charles II. The rest just took the oath. At least Queen Elizabeth and Charles came to Scotland to take part in some ceremony where they were presented with Scotland’s honours.
James Che
I have submitted the response again. I will give it an hour or so. If it does not appear either, I will try a third time.
Some interesting comments as to why she blacked up.
Ranging from BBC advised her against it to BBC advised her to do it as a white woman singing with a black man wouldn’t have been acceptable back in 1970’s UK
I don’t know much about her. Was she just blacking up like the
‘The Black and White Minstrel Show’ for the performance or was she like Rachel Dolezal claiming to be black
Race fakers of America unmasked:
https://archive.ph/KFrUT#selection-883.47-883.61
@ BDTT at 7.26: very pleased to hear that no snorkel is needed in your cosy “hovelhold”. My almost sub-aqueous dwelling is sometimes about 12″ above high tide and 6′ away. We live in interesting times indeed!
@ Mia at 7.58: many thanks for this very interesting information about the ghastly attitude of “Queen” Anne towards Scotland. What a disaster she was.
@Mia (7.58) –
‘At least Queen Elizabeth and Charles came to Scotland to take part in some ceremony where they were presented with Scotland’s honours.’
Aye, and by the look on his auld coupon when he got out of that car at St. Giles it’s probably a safe bet to say that he must wish he hadn’t bothered: ‘Bladdy ungrateful fekking oiks…’
An uncomfortable afternoon for him to be sure. But for Scottish republicans it was one of very few highlights to be taken from this year and for that we give him thanks.
GSTK!
😉
Extraordinary. Quite extraordinary; the Union is in safe hands
@ Dan: I did note what you said about independents standing as candidates, and I agree – I just didn’t have the time to respond properly.
@ Ruby at 7.31: “The Man who thought he was Napoleon”. Fascinating – well spotted.
Ot
Well done South Africa. Broke their hearts with a penalty kick so their drop kick didn’t win it .
Rugby Union is a great team sport. Until recently it was spoiled by private school cunto folk who were and still are terrified of a level playing field and fair play .
Oooft…
It’s a time for reflection sure enough.
Check out this Wings post from almost exactly six years ago, see some of the names who are no longer ‘with us’ (metaphorically) and wonder, why, why, why?
Whoever’s in charge of the final Operation Branchform report had better make sure they’ve got all the t’s crossed and i’s dotted, because an awful lot of damage has been done, not just to the independence cause but the basic human relationships (i.e. ‘friendships’) which made it such a threat to the British Establishment. And we are entitled to some answers, or at least the raw material which may help us find them, even if we can’t ever get those friends back.
This kind of review is painful but we have to do it.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/have-i-got-evasion-for-you/
Here’s a link to the ongoing Twitter/X ‘space’ covering what’s happening in Gaza/West Bank.
If this isn’t real ‘journalism’, then what is it?
https://twitter.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1715841608719970582
Apologies again for OT comment
The penalty awarded to South Africa to win them the game was the ref playing god/ judge / magistrate/ sheriff etcetera .
After such an effort and coming within minutes of reaching the World Cup final it must be gutting for England fans.
Ha fek in ha. Get it right fukin up yer
It is ironic the SNP criticizing Starmer fir not challenging Israel but being very quiet on the right of the people of scotland to self determination.
Never even heard an interviewer even challenging him on the matter why because the bbc dont hear the challenge from the snp.
Now i see on twitter snp mps!!! Saying there cause in the election will be cost of living.
The security service plants are budding
This is just a wee time-marker – the Twitter/X ‘space’ I linked above (10.47) has gone down.
Interestingly, the hosts, while talking, could tell it was about to happen and were already prepared to start another ‘space’.
English bams ABSOLUTELY HAMMERED in the rugby by the mighty South African Springboks.
Brilliant result.
Ron Clark,
apart from a pretty poor misrepresentation of the actual game, in which England led for around 75 minutes and were defeated by a single point in the 78th minute, that post and your earlier ones illustrate why the cause of Scottish independence is very poorly served by people of your kind.
Should there ever be an iScotland, the independent Scotland is going to have to get on pretty well with rUK, which includes England. And that cause isn’t off to a great start if there are people like you spewing hatred up like bile-laced vomit. It won’t end well for an iScotland if your views become mainstream.
“Should there ever be an iScotland, the independent Scotland is going to have to get on pretty well with rUK, which includes England. And that cause isn’t off to a great start if there are people like you spewing hatred up like bile-laced vomit.”
..Says the poster who makes a consistent habit of insulting Scots and Scotland and who takes every opportunity to deny that Scottish language, culture and nationhood even exist. No doubt we’ll retain a high regard for the rUK; just as high as all the other nations that have gained their independence from British colonialism.
Michael Laing,
I reject most of what you say. I don’t reject people speaking English with a Scots accent, nor do I insult the culture of the land I grew up in and among Scots whom I served with in a Scottish regiment. Why would I? Instead, unlike many on WoS, I accept the current reality that Scotland is merely a part of a broader construct called the United Kingdom. I don’t look backwards 300 years to a (fairly miserable) state that will never exist again, and was of its time but wouldn’t work now, I look forwards.
Jackanory … Jackanory … Jackanory …
dumb, dumb.
Ha! Ha! Ha! ‘Lord Naw-Naw of the Naw-Baws’ wind-up merchant extra-ordinaire is telling us how to ‘win friends & influence people’
Ha! Ha! Ha!
Lord Naw-Naw could cause a fight in an empty hoose.
I have some questions.
Why would we need to get on well with England?
What would that entail?
Would it mean we would have to support their football & rugby teams?
Forgive them from having colonised us for 300 years and basically treated us like shit?
Most important question what is meant by England and what is meant by ‘The English’
The term ‘The English’ always reminds me of the way the Amish
refer to Non-Amish people.
‘The English’ spew hatred up like bile-laced vomit about the French. Should they be told to modify their behaviour in case it doesn’t end well for England?
The spewing of hatred & bile like vomit re the French I would say is pretty mainstream.
What would England/Dover look like if the French cancelled ‘Le Touquet Agreement’?
I know “The chances of anything coming from ASA are a million to one” he said
But still I ask! You just never know.
Then came the night the first missile approached Earth
It was thought to be an ordinary falling star
But the next day there was a huge crater in the middle of the Common
I don’t want Salmond to ever step down. I know he is the man capable of leading the country again. He is the boss he’s got more energy than most. 69. might be 70 odds. He’s been touring Scotland with the Wee Alba Book roadshow. The guy is brilliant.
The Tories are on their way out. His pal David Davis once stood up in Parliament and said he a victim of a conspiracy. These perjurers have ruined his life. I want to know what Peter Murrell said in the whatsapp messages in his possession. I want to know because I hate what they’ve done to him.
Get them read out and stand up for your pal!
https://wingsoverscotland.com/now-the-traffic-lights-change/comment-page-1/#comment-2797725
There you have it folks.
Lord Naw-Naw accepts that Scotland is an English colony.
Colonised in 1707 and became Lesser England.
You think you live in a country called Scotland?
You have been well & truly conned!
You live in a colony referred to legally as Lesser England.
Why is it called Scotland? It’s called Scotland to fool you into thinking you don’t live in an English colony.
What about N.Ireland & Wales are they all English colonies and the only non colony in the whole set-up is England?
England after all does not have any colonial masters or colonial branch offices.
We are pretty much in the same position as the Aboriginal Australians and the Native Americans.
I wonder if Lord Naw-Naw would describe himself as an indigenous Scot. It would be funny if he did.
If he were being honest his moniker should be ‘A Lesser Englishman at Home’
What about the precious Union? How can that exist if Scotland was extinguished in 1707? Basically the Union never existed.
Unionists is another big lie that should be changed to colonists.
I think I’ve remembered the name of the poster who flooded the site with links to newspapers & a whole variety of things.
Was it Gregor?
I also want to know what Alex Salmond and Kenny Macaskill think about the isreali war on gaza. When in charge of the SNP they did not agree with British foreign policy.
My thoughts are this. It’s apartheid. It’s ethnic cleansing. This is going to cause World War 3.
The British can’t buy Russian oil. We won’t be allowed to by middle eastern oil. The EU are the same with Urseola Von Der Leyen. She’s a nut job looking for the next selfie in the bullet proof vest. Classic narcissist leader she’s like sturgeon on steroids.
We payed through the roof for Ukraine. I’m not paying for another war. And I tell you what. I’ll not be fighting for the butchers apron. They can put me in jail but I think my heart is with the Palestinians. I’m not participating.
also want to know what Alex Salmond and Kenny Macaskill think about the isreali war on gaza. When in charge of the SNP they did not agree with British foreign policy.
My thoughts are this. It’s apartheid. It’s ethnic cleansing. This is going to cause World War 3.
The British can’t buy Russian oil. We won’t be allowed to by middle eastern oil. The EU are the same with Urseola Von Der Leyen. She’s a nut job looking for the next selfie in the bullet proof vest. Classic narcissist leader she’s like sturgeon on steroids.
We payed through the roof for Uk raine. I’m not paying for another war. And I tell you what. I’ll not be fighting for the butchers apron. They can put me in jail but I think my heart is with the Palestinians. I’m not participating.
Scotland is a Colony according to this.
https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2023/10/19/scotland-is-a-colony-the-unionists-need-to-face-up-to-the-fact/
I’m a Celtic supporter. And I’m looking forward to Celtic Hearts today at Tynecastle.
I know Alex Salmond is a big Hearts supporter that’s his team.
I was reading about the soldier at Tynecastle stadium. Which commemorates the 16 hearts players that joined McCrae’s battalion.
I was reading about the pals battalions in WW1. It’s so sad.
Men willingly enlisted with their friends and work colleagues; creating what became known as the “Pals Battalions.” Rather than being scattered across different regiments; the “Pals Battalions” allowed volunteers to fight alongside men they knew as best friends and colleagues.
In the end, this was to have devastating consequences.
The men saw their closest mates gunned down beside them – indeed; the idea of “Pals Battalions” died along with the men of the First World War.
As was took its grip on Britain in 1914; a mood of extreme patriotism accompanied a demand for universal commitment to king and country.
There were public rumblings of discontent about footballers continuing to play matches instead of the game of war, for life and death.
Sixteen Hearts players volunteered to fight in World War 1 in 1914. The majority joined the 16th battalion of the Royal Scots – McCrae’s battalion. The battalion was to become the first to earn the “footballer’s battalion” sobriquet.
With Hearts, at least 30 professional footballers enlisted – from Hibernian; Raith Rovers; Falkirk and Dunfermline.
The group of volunteers soldiers also contained some 500 Hearts supporters and 150 Hibernian followers.
On the first day of the Battle of the Somme in 1916; the British Commonwealth soldiers lost nearly 20,000 men – including three of Hearts players.
The fearsome slaughterhouse of all of the agony of filth and slaughter would be felt. Turned men from bouyant youths to despair.
Hearts player Pat Crossan was hit in the leg by shrapnel near Bazentin, France on 9 August 1916, during the Battle of the Somme.
The leg was marked for amputation but was saved after being operated on by a German POW surgeon.
After recovering back in Britain, Crossan was posted to the 4th Battalion to serve in the Sinai and Palestine Campaign and he was present during the Battle of Jerusalem.
He was posted back to the Western Front in 1918 and was gassed in April that year.
He survived got back playing for hearts. He saw his pal Bob Mercer drop dead on the football pitch from a heart attack.
And later on the tuberculosis ravaged his damaged lungs and he died aged 33.
Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori. “It is sweet and fitting to die for one’s country.”
The quote that stood out for me was from Pat Crossan.
“I think that instead of fighting we should take the Fritzes on at football. I am certain we would do them.”
My point is this. It’s not honourable and glorious to fight for your country when you realise the brutal reality. Of seeing your mates being gunned down next to you and losing limbs.
Our corrupt leaders are vetoing peace treatys at the united nations. We are losing our humanity in the west. we are losing our diplomatic power. We are supporting war.
But when we come to live in harmony then the battle will be won.
https://studylib.net/doc/13067775/ww1-in-scotland-case-study-mccrae%E2%80%99s-battalion-source-a
Makes the SNP looks like rank amateurs.
Here’s how the big guys do it.
https://archive.ph/of2GD
and get away with it.
God bless the Union!
Cheers ‘auld highlander’ for that excellent link
Colonists (aka Unionists) go bananas if their con is exposed.
The ‘Precious Union’ is a massive con.
Two World Wars.
Just because the Germans hate Cowdenbeath.
Incredible.
http://www.cowdenbeath.free-online.co.uk/fanzine/cowdgerm.htm
“I reject most of what you say”
Of course you do.
“I don’t reject people speaking English with a Scots accent”
Oh well, how gracious and generous of you! Do we have to drop on our knees and thank you?
“nor do I insult the culture of the land I grew up in and among Scots whom I served with in a Scottish regiment”
In which land did you grew up? Last century (and currently) it was very common for migrants around the world to live in clusters within a foreign country to communicate using their own language and support each other. It would be therefore perfectly feasible for you to grow up in England but having some Scots as neighbors.
As per serving in a Scottish regiment, how many English people are currently serving in Scottish regiments? That does not make you a Scot.
Your words are clarifying absolutely nothing. In fact, they seem designed to deceive the readers into believing you are a Scot to legitimise your opinion.
It is for Scotland and for Scotland only to decide if it wants to exercise its legitimate right to unilaterally revoke the treaty of union. Equally, it is for England and England only to decide if it wants to unilaterally exercise its legitimate right to revoke the treaty of union. England people, England politicians, the English establishment or its mininos have no legitimate right to coerce the people of Scotland into doing what is best for England at the expense of the rights and interests of the people of Scotland.
“Why would I?”
Because you have a colonialist mind and therefore you are trying to portray Scotland as a colony that is worthless and has no power in this political union.
“I accept the current reality”
No, you don’t. The reality is that the United Kingdom of Great Britain is a political union, not a country. It is a political union whose foundation is an international treaty between two sovereign states, the Kingdoms of Scotland and England. The reality is that any of the two has equal power and legitimate right to revoke that treaty and revert to their original status. This means, that anything that we call currently “UK”, including the UK gov, the UK parliament etc are by-products of that Treaty of Union and therefore subordinated to the two states who signed the treaty, not the other way round as we are constantly expected to believe with the bullshit we are force-fed by England politicians, their apparatchiks and their useful idiots among Scotland’s poltical class.
“Scotland is merely a part of a broader construct”
And there it is again, your colonial mentality showing loud and clear in your words. “Merely” is there added for effect, just to reinforce your undermining of Scotland. The broader construct you have in mind is a political union that rests on Scotland’s consent to continue. That makes that “broader construct” dependent on Scotland, not the other way round.
“called the United Kingdom”
Nope. The “broader construct” is “Great Britain”. When exactly did Scotland consent to the change of the name of the state?
“I don’t look backwards 300 years”
Yes, you do. When you looked back you realised that should Scotland revoke the treaty of Union, all the perks England currently enjoys “as the UK” would disappear in smoke. For instance, should Scotland revoke the treaty of union, what would happen to all those trade agreements signed after brexit? What would happen to all those dominions acquired AFTER the treaty of union? What would happen to Gibraltar or the Malvinas? Take a look at who signed the Treaty of Utretch. What do you think will happen to it if “Great Britain” dissolves and the two original entities do not agree for the other to remain as the continuator state? Do you think the Spanish will adopt your portrayed attitude of “not looking backwards 300 years”?
Ensuring the present line to the Scottish crown remains the exact same as the line to the English crown was established by that Treaty of Union too. What do you think will happen if that Treaty is revoked? How long do you think that line will remain the same if Scotland revokes that treaty?
You are not fooling anyone. You are clearly desperate to make believe the Kingdom of Scotland disappeared to legitimise the permanence of Great Britain for the sake of protecting either the interest of the current line to the Scottish crown, the interest of England to become the continuator state and inherit all the seats in international committees, retain all the treaties and trade agreements, and of course, keep controlling the dominions acquired after the Treaty, or both.
If Scotland was to revoke that treaty, all of the above would become negotiable assets which would put Scotland in a very, very strong negotiating position and would weaken England’s one. As I said, you are fooling no one.
“to a (fairly miserable) state that will never exist again”
I though you said above that you had no reason to insult Scotland’s heritage. Well then, why are you insulting it?
“but wouldn’t work now”
In what sense? And who are you to claim such a thing?
“I look forwards”
No you don’t. You are looking backwards. You are looking at how to ensure the current line to the Scottish crown prevails and how the Kingdom of England can secure the strongest negotiating position and retain all the perks it got thanks to the union with Scotland leaving Scotland with nothing. You have reached the conclusion that the way to do this is to deny the existence of that Treaty of Union, and if you cannot, then claim Scotland does not exist other than as a region of Greater England, to reinforce the made up idea that Scotland is like Catalonia, and even like Wales – a portion of land conquered military and that is now trying to secede from the Kingdom of England therefore it needs to beg for permission. When in reality, it is a sovereign state that is wanting to exercise its legitimate right to revoke an international treaty entered by the vote of a simple majority of MPs who purposely and deliberately ignored the will of the Scottish citizens.
Why on earth should Scotland seek secession when it can actually end this union and leave it as the sovereign state it enter the treaty as?
Why on earth should Scotland surrender all its rights as a founder state and all its rights to claim is fair share of common assets acquired during the union, so England can keep the lot?
It makes zero business and negotiating sense to me, unless of course, you are taking and fighting for England’s side and not Scotland’s.
I see that Israel has sent out a warning that any Palestinian not leaving the North of Palestine will be considered to be a supporter of Hamas.
So Palestinians too I’ll to travel and with family too devoted to their loved ones must die and the major Western Forces have no comment for decades of Israel breaking international law and by acting as Judge and Jury before knowingly murdering the innocent of all ages.
20 trucks are being allowed to deliver some emergency supplies to Gaza.
This is being heralded as a great success by U.K. Tory and Labour parties.
I think they should try to decide how the 20 trucks contents get divided by 1,200,000 citizens
who need bottled water, food, shelters, clothing, blankets, generators, and medical supplies.
Could there be 1 cubic inch of support for each victim there.
Could the water being taken in be enough to moisten the lips of each Palestinian.
Lisping Nandy from the Labour Party on TV refusing to say that Labour agree that Israeli actions are breaking International law.
Either she can’t read the human rights within International law, she is incapable of comprehension or the party must be 100% behind any illegal Israeli action in an attempt to show they are no longer anti semiotic.
God help us if Nandy is to be a leading light in Englands next government.
I can never forgive Labour for holding a minutes silence for only the Israeli victims.
If Israel put boots on the ground to kill all and destroy the infrastructure of North Palestine
How does this uncover, capture or kill the terrorists who attacked Israeli families?
Will Hamas not continue to hide among the innocent, will they look any different to the innocent. Will they not continue to attack from wherever they end up living.
If 1.2 million people have no home, workplace, school, hospital, or utilities and no money
what is to become of them?
Neighbouring Lebanon has a million refugees, Syria is war torn, Egypt has its own citizens in Cairo living in graveyards as there is no accommodation to be had.
As an elected minister in the Israeli government stated
The Arabs have 3 choice-
Leave Palestine to Israel
Stay and have no human rights or privileges
Die fighting the Israeli Army.
This fact has been buried by the media of the Western Governments but it really needs to be on the table to see why people find supposed reasons to take up arms and murder innocents.
Where is the work to make a cease fire, where and when are negotiations to take place?
There is no possibility of Israel the country that they have created as their military capability and unlimited support by the West will guarantee it.
Palestine needs to make the best of a bad deal and make themselves a country in control
Of its own destiny and to prevent any terrorist organisations from existing within it.
Israel must make hard decisions too and should be returning the settlements they built on the occupied areas of the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights all
Taken by war.
Johnlm
Journalists need clicks to bring in advertising revenue otherwise they’re out on their ear to pursue a career in telesales for a fraction of the money. Politicians need publicity which is delivered by journalists. Ergo, government policy is driven by advertising.
Hence the garbage in Cowdenbeath and hence the race and joo baiting in today’s Telegraph where hate is the new reason for everything. It gets the clicks that keeps the wheels of incompetence greased.
See http://robinmcalpine.org/slush-fund-government-has-failed/ for how it works.
I also see in the Torygraph Sunak has a piece on Ha-mass has to be destroyed because Uncle Joe said so. It’s not a pretty organisation and is probably downright evil but the Americanisation of culture was bad enough. Now we’re seeing the Americanisation of politic and now policy.
So, you can look forward to calls to defund the Metropolitan Police and Brown Lives Matter – as long as they don’t worship Allah.
In the UK, the road to Hell is paved with other people’s intentions.
Ruby @ 9.30 am
I think your guy was Cameron Brodie
Regards living in a English (spit) Colony.
Take a minute to look at what you actually watch on your telly.
Everything that comes through your tv is run by the English, for the English.
Documentaries.
News.
Reality TV.
Soap operas.
So called documentary experts.
Adverts.
Sports.
Football.
Rugby.
Charities.
Background voices.
And many more, all done for the benefit of the English.
And don’t forget the jobs involved in running all these shows,,,camera people, sound technicians, directors, producers, stage hands, make up,,and many many more jobs, all linked to the English media system.
Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have to sit back, keep our mouths shut, and just accept EVERYTHING thd bastards of England try to ram down our throats.
I try as much as I can never to watch any English run TV programmes, because that accent just does my fuckin nut in.
So ladies and gentlemen,,,take a moment to actually realise that you are unconsciously being controlled by these bastards.
Is this the Ron Clark who used to post links to all the English newspaper articles?
@ David Hannah “I don’t want Salmond to ever step down….The guy is brilliant.”
Yes he is brilliant. I enjoy and appreciate the Wee Alba Book meetings. He is a wonder especially compared with the many treachorous pigmies in SNP and the other parties.
BUT when he makes a mistake then the effects are similarly huge. He is not infallible e.g. resigning in favour of Sturgeon; the franchise for the 2014 referendum.
And I found on the doorsteps in 2021 election, and still now, that he has been effectively smeared as “not a fit and proper person”. Until the truth of that case is exposed, he will remain smeared.
He could surely be just as valuable for independence as Alba’s deputy leader or President without giving ill-intentioned people the opportunity to say that Alba the is only a vehicle for Alex.
I know Alba is full of highly principled and capable people whose sole aim is independence in order to improve the quality of people’s lives. Don’t let anything or anyone hamper this aim.
@auld highlander
Thank you for that fascinating link. Most instructive.
That Scotland is treated as a colony became more than evident the minute the political fraud Sturgeon and her continuity candidate Yousaf installed an unelected representative of the crown in the middle of what should have been a democratically elected government cabinet. This betraying, profoundly undemocratic, move ensured two things:
1. the blurring of the boundaries between the executive and judicial power that is necessary in a democracy to avoid a police state
2. handing control to the crown over the legislative body – our parliament. If the crown has control over the legislative body, then this is not a democracy, it is a dictatorship, absolute rule, which goes against the Claim of Right. This is exactly the sly route the political fraud Sturgeon chose to block the referendum when she was pushed (metaphorically speaking) against the wall and she had run out of escaping road to continue kicking the referendum can.
There is no equivalent to this blurring of powers forced on Scotland neither for when the Uk parliament is used as England’s parliament nor when it is used as Uk parliament.
The so called “UK parliament” was alerted of this aberration years ago. Nothing has been done to repair that damage and nothing will be done because Scotland is treated as a colony and therefore anything that restricts, or robs altogether all control the people of Scotland may have over their own legislative body so they could legislate for independence, is welcome by the “UK”‘s main “democratic” body.
Clearly that fictitious “parliamentary sovereignty” that is attributed by the colonialists to the England as the UK parliament is very selective and does not apply to the “legislative” body of the colony. Because if it did, the unelected crown representative sitting in the middle of the gov cabinet would have been removed immediately on alerting the UK parliamentarians of it.
It is outrageous that in a democracy the crown stepped in to block the legitimate right of the people of Scotland to choose their fucking bills to be debated in parliament. What is even more outrageous is that the amoebas who claim to represent us in Holyrood and Westminster did not lift a finger to stop it.
Instead, most of them sat on their hands and either looked the other way or even praised the abuse because that meant they could continue bulldozing the democratic mandate to hold a referendum.
This undemocratic attitude is something unforgivable that should go in Sturgeon’s epitaph: “the political fraud who bulldozed democracy and facilitated imposition of absolute rule in Scotland as her means to to block the referendum she continuously promised but never had intention to deliver”
Then we also have the fact that there is a crown office tied around the neck of our prosecution service. What on earth is the crown office doing there? Why there isn’t an equivalent also tied around the neck of England’s prosecution service?
Turns out this crown office has been of late decides what political cases are prosecuted, which perjurers are protected and which ones aren’t and has even been directing the police force to investigate, rather than the other way round. If that is not the sign of Scotland being treated as a colony under absolute rule, what is.
Then we have an English court and English judges, based on English law convention with no counterpart in Scottish law, imposing the authority of a by-product of the treaty of union (the UK parliament) over Scotland, when it should be the other way round. It is madness. But let’s not forget. This is madness which was invited in, encouraged and maintained by the political fraud Sturgeon and her continuity candidate.
Then we have the political representatives of our equal partner in an international treaty self-awarding themselves the power to deny Scotland’s legitimate right to end that treaty at any time of its choosing, despite having been complicity in the continuous violations of the fundamental conditions of that treaty for centuries. If that is not treating Scotland as a colony, what is.
If Scotland remains attached to England’s hip it is only because Scotland’s political class has been continuously deceiving and betraying the Scottish people for 3 centuries. They have been and continue to be complicit on Scotland’s mistreatment as a colony.
Case in point is the current SNP lot, surrendering like cowards, Scotland’s constitutional rights and popular sovereignty to some crap 19th century English convention of made up parliamentary sovereignty. Never mind that this parliamentary sovereignty was an invention of Dicey after the treaty of union. When it comes to fabricate ways to retain and helping the Kingdom of England to retain Scotland as a colony, everything goes.
What was the first thing Yousaf, the continuity candidate, allegedly a republican, did as soon as he was parachuted after a farcical leadership context to the position of FM?
To surrender Scotland’s stone of destiny, so the English king could be crown sitting on it to signify the subjugation of the Kingdom of Scotland to the English crown.
Who gave Yousaf consent or a mandate to hand over Scotland’s heritage like that? I don’t remember the people of Scotland being asked nor seeing that in any manifesto.
With faux republicans like that who fall over themselves to give in to the whims and wishes of the English crown, without having the most remote consideration for the wants, pride and dignity of the people of Scotland who they claim to represent, who needs monarchy loyalists, huh?
Johnlm 11.22am
Yes John, the very same.
And if halfwits like you continue to converse with the site R Soles like John Main, then those links will start appearing again.
Spot the agent.
With regard to unilateral political support for Israel, three out of four UK jews said that their vote is heavily influenced by the parties attitude towards Israel. As a lot of donations to political parties comes from Big Pharma etc we live in a form of apartheid minority rule. The last time such a poll was taken, 1998, I think, over ninety percent of UK jews had lived in, worked in or visited Israel at least once in their lives.
Johnlm
Which agent would that be R Sole?
You remind me of one of those rare species,,,the SNP member,, who thinks that anybody who doesn’t suit their agenda just has to be a Yoon, or even worse ,,,”an agent”.
What a prick.
U still Nicla?
Johnlm aka R Sole.
You wouldn’t happen to be English (spit), would you?
Ronnie Clark
Should I avoid English broadcasts?
or
Should I read the English press clippings you post?
I can only assume that you are LARP if not actual ‘care in the community.’
@ Johnlm at 11.59am:
I’m wondering if Lord Naw Naw and McGlashan are actually one and the same person.
We need to expose the truth around that case. I couldn’t think of a better time to expose the whatsapp messages if I were david davis. He says the whatsapp messages prove it was a conspiracy.
Lets see it then. Lets see how corrupt Scotland really is.
Hi OneLiner
I think he was another spammer/clutterer (Clutterbug) I’m pretty sure the one who did all the links to newspapers & archived dictionary definitions was called Gregor.
Jesus!
https://archive.ph/o4MNi
https://archive.ph/NVA3d
Coming soon
Jewish transman who thinks he’s Hitler.
Ronnie Clark
You wouldn’t happen to be English would you?
Giving teammate ASA lines to respond to?
That’s what it looks like.
Ruby,
21st October, 3:29pm.
Thank you for the information you provided, as I had forgotten all about that, much appreciated.
@Ruby, from the first of the two links you posted.
“Mr Miller said that he doesn’t claim to be the reincarnation of Jesus, rather that he is someone who has excited for thousands of years.”
Johnlm aka R Sole.
Where are you going with this,,,right down to the bottom of the page.
Don’t annoy me ya fuckin dildo.
Mia,
21 st October, 7: 58pm.
Re Queen Anne of England France and Ireland and her donminions.
Very much appreciated for the detailed information you provided after your many efforts to get them posted, thank you,
The first lie and deceit surrounding the fallacious treaty of union was that The coronated Queen of England had also been to Scotland to be coronated and Crown Queen of Scots and Scotland,
1: Other than heresay from London papers that Queen Anne of the throne to England took the Scottish coronation oath,
Is it recorded else where and was it witnessed in Scotland as the actual truth and not early media/Westminster propaganda?
2: Wether queen Anne to the throne of England, took the Scottish coronation oath or not, ( which is debatable) we can see from the lack of records that there is no given date, day month or year for a ceremony in Scotland for her to be crowned Queen of Scots or Scotland, she never officially proceeded any further “to being crowned”, and actually coronated.
3: At the time the Scottish royal scepter was used to touch and ratify the Scottish side the treaty of union, by queen Anne of England, France and Ireland’s commissioner James Duke of Queenbury
Queen Anne had still not been Crowned Queen of Scots or their territorial kingdom.
LOL
Excited! Whatever turns them on!
I’m discovering that there are a lot of weird & wonderful fetishes out there.
I wonder what he calls out when the earth is about to move?
Oh God! Oh God! Yes! Yes! Yes! Oh God! Oh No! No! No! not God he’s my father that would be just too kinky! 🙂
Ach well I know folk who call out ‘Oh Mummy Daddy!, Daddy Mummy! & others who scream ‘Jings Crivens Help ma boab!’
How do I know this because I lived in a flat with very thin walls.
I suppose it would be fair enough for his wife ‘Mary Magdalene’ to call out
Jesus! Oh Jesus! Yes Jesus! Yes! Yes! Yes! although isn’t she supposed to be a virgin and have immaculate conceptions. Maybe I’m getting mixed up and Mary Magdalene wasn’t his mother but his wife???? Or maybe Jesus was the wife!
Totally confused?
https://archive.ph/hE9b3
Jesus Christ was a trans woman
It should have been obvious all along
Jesus’s pronouns she/her.
Mia,
No monarch of the English throne has ever been crowned as a monarch of Scots or their territorial kingdom of Scotland since Charles 11. To present day.
Even King Charles of England only swore an oath, but was not Crowned in the separate ceremony in Scotland.
This is a accurate statement,
But it raises the question, if the monarchs of England throne think they are guaranteed the English throne and the kingdom of England,
Why the need to treat Scotland as a separate kingdom from England in all the Coronation ceremonies if under one monarch of Great Britain,
So what is amiss here regards the two separate ceremonies of coronations under “one supposed” monarch of both Countries, called Great Britain, and at separate time periods,?
It would strongly imply that the two kingdoms are not united as one.
That they cannot be united as one due to Two different alligiences to two separate kingdoms.
Another not so obvious and unforseen legallity is that because Queen Anne of England was never Coronated as queen of Scots or their territorial kingdom,
the heritable kingdom and monarch of England was automatically stopped from inheriting the Crown of Scots/Scotland..
To this day they perhaps can only swear a oath but not be crowned.
Ron dildo Clark
You like the last word don’t you?
Ok.
Just tell me, should I be following English MSM or not?
Pictured with Angus Robertson both smiling.
“A former charity boss from Glasgow is to stand trial next year charged with fraud. Nathan Sparling was previously chief executive of HIV Scotland until December 2020, when he quit.
His case was called at Edinburgh Sheriff Court last week, where the 33-year-old pled not guilty to a charge of embezzlement. A trial is due in May next year.”
https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/ex-hiv-charity-boss-glasgow-27959139?int_source=nba
Mia,
With Queen Anne never being Crowned or going through with any ceremony in the kingdom as the previous monarchs of Scotland did to become monarchs of Scots, and in a Crown union, they were crowned by both countries and kingdoms regardless,
with each monarch of England ever since following the same oath as queen Anne, but not being crowned,
The territorial kingdom of Scotland remains a separate kingdom since king Charles 11 coronation.
With that said,
The scepter and Seal of Scotland could not be used by the monarchs of England nowadays or in the past, Nor as Queen Annes commissioners in 1707.
The Second lie in relation to fallacious treaty of union, is the union of Scotland and Englands respective parliaments.
As the Scottish parliament was not subsumed into the Great British parliament, And the Scottish parliament was not joined to Englands parliament to create the Great British parliament.
As the Scottish parliament was extinguished and “dissolved by proclamation” of Queen Anne of the throne of England, at Westminster in England.
LOL
“Ron BOB Clark” surely? 😉
Did ‘Ron BOB’ used to post as Gregor?
Nobody uses the word dildo any more it’s all about the BOBS!
The BOB rabbit is the most popular.
I wondering if Ms Mary and his wife have one?
@Ruby. That last link you posted I read the word kaftan and thought “BA Robertson”. On reading his bio I saw that he travelled to the promised land and accumulated silver, gold and platinum. He also mentions Iceland. We must start a cult proclaiming BA Robertson the Second Coming and travel to Iceland to await Ragnarok. Which brings us back to Killing Joke as Jaz Coleman did the off to Iceland bit to await Ragnarok bit in 1982 which if we turn into letters spells AIHB which could stand for Alex Is Held Back.
We are truly through the looking glass.
I see some names on here with some extreme opinions (ykwya) and the term “agent provocateur” comes to mind – and no, I don’t mean the kinky gear outlet by the same name.
Mia,
Please Forgive my tunnel vision on trying to dissect and decide were past propaganda was made towards Scots are where it actual over rides the factual truth.
How legally valid is the treaty of unions foundational creation into the parliament of Great Britain if,
The two kingdoms of Scotland and England did not actually share a monarch of both Countries by the arrogance the Error made by the monarch Queen Anne of England.
How legally valid is the treaty of union if the two kingdoms parliaments are not joined as one was dissolved from the treaty of parliamentary union and extinguished,
Leaving only the Westminster parliament in the parliament of Great Britain,
I am failing to see how the treaty of union the connection between what is binding upon Scotland in any way as , ” forever after”.suggest,
I am failing to see how the sole Westminster parliament of England in the British parliament or its monarchs have any hold over Scotland or Scots.
Unless we in Scotland have been gullible.to years of lies and deceit, due to the lack forth coming factual information from The one parliament in the treaty, and by deliberate omitted facts to Scotland.
How it was ever accepted as a international treaty between two separate kingdoms and two separate parliaments, with all that deceit and lies surrounding the foundations and creation of a one sided Great British parliament containing only one of parliaments, the Westminster parliament even by the EU or the UN standards nowadays.
Scotland has not been subsumed by the Great British parliament, it just isn”t in it,
it is not joined in Monarchy kingdoms either.
Mia, at 10:26,
What a set of total guff. Everything in that over-long piece of verbiage is wrong. You literally understand nothing.
Let me put something straight to you. I was born in Ayr to Scottish parents, lived there and in Edinburgh until I was 19, then joined a Scottish Regiment. I’m as Scots as anyone else reading this page, and more so than some. I’m as entitled to my opinion as any other Scot.
Ron ‘BOB, bathbomb, crunchie, grenade’ Clark
Nice talking.
Catch ya later!
Ass hole abroad, you obviously suffered some sort of brain damage during your brit army training.
A
Scot AbroadNu English says: at 3:27 pm“I’m as Scots as anyone else reading this page, and more so than some. I’m as entitled to my opinion as any other Scot.”
So you’re saying there’s a spectrum of being Scottish then.
I’d really like to understand the parameters that define an individual’s placement on said spectrum, so could you please supply a link so that I can measure how Scottish I am.
Once my level of Scottishness is established then readers can factor in my Scottish credentials and judge if there’s any validity to my musing on all things Scottish.
James Che
I find thiese rules of kingship ineffable.
However, other parts of the Empire also are asking these questions.
In case you’ve not seen it here is
‘Realm and Commonwealth’ by Steven Spiers
Maybe he has some of the pieces.
https://www.scribd.com/document/385766202/Realm-and-Commonwealth
Rather annoyingly there are 10 sec ads on each page but all other links have disappeared.
Johnlm excels at toilet humour. He must be this site’s number-one of all-time at toilet humour. Where would we all be without him?
Dan – ASA was responding to a blood and soil who suggested he was maybe Scots, but maybe not Scots, and if he was Scots he must be from a wee Hobbit house in Norfolk somewhere that contained only Scots folk. His reply was reasonable under the most unconscionable provocation. I think he was replying to Mia, by the way.
Post SNP conference there are a lot of new policy announcements announced. Some of them are concerning and need discussion. Lest the Nu SNP bury Independence altogether. The First Ministers bandwidth for discussion is handicapped by Gazian concerns. Perhaps the advice should be for him to take compassionate or discretionary leave. We have a one billion pound black hole in our finances already. His policies will lead to a 2 billion pound black hole. An unelected First Minister under normal circumstances would lead to calls for a Scottish Parliament Election. Really this cannot go on until 2026. And for those talking about sociocultural issues. We have a Canadian citizen that has cost us many millions of pounds in cabinet. French. Irish, English and International citizens have served in the Scottish Parliament. Give it up.
Yosser
I think it was you who introduced skitters as a word to this site.
Do you have any view on Ron Clark’s attack on me to which I was merely responding?
Posting is not your forte.
Have you considered another line of work?
For the attention of those who believe that Scotland is only being colonised by the English. That Scotlands’ own children are being directed towards homosexuality and not breeding to save the planet is purely a coincidence.
https://archive.ph/YDwkh
“Another not so obvious and unforseen legallity is that because Queen Anne of England was never Coronated as queen of Scots or their territorial kingdom, the heritable kingdom and monarch of England was automatically stopped from inheriting the Crown of Scots/Scotland.”
James Che, I am afraid I cannot enter into a discussion regarding that part of your comment because I lack sufficient knowledge about potential implications for a line of succession to the Scottish crown if a particular monarch in the line refuses to be crowned. But I find your comment most interesting and certainly has moved me to do more research on the subject.
However, please bear in mind that Anne did not have natural descendants and the concession of Scotland’s crown in the Claim of Right did not span beyond Anne.
They had to change the royal line.
That was therefore a point in history where the union of crowns (meaning not a proper union of crowns as such but rather the same monarch holding right to both crowns) would have most likely ended right there and then. It is very likely that Scotland would have chosen a different line to that selected by England if it wasn’t for the Treaty of Union.
This is the crux of the matter and the real reason why both William Orange and Anne saw the matter as urgent and were so desperate to force through the treaty of union to the point of being far more interested in that than actually being crowned. It was always (and in my view continues to be) about the succession to the Scottish crown and the control of Scotland’s riches.
I have not conducted enough research yet in the matter of ownership of natural resources, but I am very interested in the subject. For instance, take the mineral rights under each dwelling in Scotland, or indeed Scotland’s coastline and seabed. At what point exactly in history were those handed over to the monarch? Was it before or after the union?
If it was before the union, how is it possible that they were transferred from a royal line to a completely different one once Anne died? And if it was after the union, who exactly handed this over, with what authority and under whose mandate?
England’s crown interests are, in my personal opinion, the real reason why Scotland is still stuck in this union today despite sending anti-union MP majorities for the best part of 9 years.
As to why English monarchs refuse to be crowned with Scotland’s crown, I have a different interpretation to yours. I think it is because they do not wish it to be recognised as a separate crown and as a separate, independent kingdom. Because if they did so, it would eliminate with one stroke the credibility of any pretence that the English crown has any claim of control on Scotland’s assets or geopolitical activity.
Please note, that since William Orange was declared monarch of Scotland, the main thing English monarchs were relentlessly pursuing was the union of both crowns, which since then has been deliberately interpreted as the assimilation of the Scottish crown by the English crown.
I am of the opinion this continues today and that they do not wish to be crowned, or worse, BE SEEN as being crowned with the Scottish crown, because that would immediately acknowledge to Scotland itself and the whole world that there are still in existence two separate crowns and therefore two separate, independent kingdoms.
In other words, it is my opinion that Scotland is in effect independent already. The only thing it needs is to make it official by repealing the treaty of union. What we are lacking is the tool to do so because the tool we thought we had turned out to be turncoats who decided to use our anti-union votes to protect the union rather than ending it.
I have said it several times here. It is my personal opinion that the betrayal and deception of the SNP and in particular Nicola Sturgeon and Yousaf who used and are using our anti-union votes to preserve the union rather than terminating it, is the only reason why Scotland is still trapped in this union.
In my personal opinion, this union is hanging by a thread and this has been the case since 1707, when they realised they could not have a general election neither in Scotland nor England without risking popular selection of an anti-union majority which would have terminated the union before it started.
Knowledge by the general public of this would completely blow out of the water the credibility of the “Kingdom of Great Britain” as the permanent and independent entity England MPs and lords are so desperate to make believe it is.
In my personal opinion, it is neither permanent nor independent. Is dependent on the continuity of the Treaty of Union which in turn is dependent on the continuous consent from the kingdoms of Scotland and England to remain extant.
It is my personal view that such consent from Scotland does no longer exist since 8 May 2015 (actually if it ever existed) and that revocation of consent was reaffirmed ever since by mandates to hold indyref and anti-union majorities elected to both Holyrood and Westminster.
It can not be stated strongly or often enough that in 1706 the Kingdom of Scotland did not give consent for that union, so the validity of that treaty is questionable under current international law to say the least. Many of those who sat in Scotland’s parliament in 1706 got bribes to change their vote, and no doubt Queensberry was not working for Scotland but for the crown. In such conditions, the Vienna Convention of the law of treaties would have deemed such treaty as void.
The powers that be are desperate to ensure England remains as the continuator state of the UK and its line to the English crown retains control over Scotland’s crown (and assets) too. The amount of effort they are doing to conflate the Kingdom of England with the UK as synonyms has been evident since the campaigning for Indyref 2014 started.
But it is obvious this wasn’t enough. They also need to completely remove the identity of Scotland as a separate kingdom in the minds of the Scottish people. This is their current battlefield. The despective way our friend ASA treats Scotland and the crass way in he/she tries to remove attention from the Treaty of union and Scotland’s legitimate rights under that treaty, is a magnificent example of such relentless gaslighting exercise.
Sadly, the betrayers sitting in Holyrood and Westminster who were elected to represent us, are falling over themselves to do the dirty work for the English crown against the people of Scotland by acquiescing to that faux interpretation rather than defending Scotland’s rights.
As I said above, I do not know about the legal implications on the line of succession of not being crowned with Scotland’s crown. However, what I do know, after reading the records, is the Parliament of Scotland took for valid the information they received that Anne had sworn the oath in front of the members of the privy council, which were the same William had.
But I agree with you 100%. At that point, Scotland was not in any union with England, therefore it would not have been credible or indeed acceptable to have only Members of the Privy council from England attesting the veracity of her swearing the Scottish oath.
It would be most interesting to look into the records of the Privy Council in Scotland to confirm if indeed she had sworn the oath in front of members of the Privy council of Scotland, but I could not access those online.
What is true though, is that her authority as monarch of Scotland was recognised unanimously by those sitting in the Parliament of Scotland in June 1702.
Therefore another question to consider is what the legal implications for the TReaty of Union are if it is found the members of Scotland’s parliament who passed the act recognising the authority of an English monarch, did so without having corroborated the definite proof and irrefutable evidence of her having sworn the Scottish oath in line with Scotland’s fundamental constitutional requirements.
Cpt Yossa there, helpfully interpreting for the neds…
Howz that school? If it hasn’t sunk with the weekend’s apocalyptic rain event then does that mean it’ll probably remain floating for the rest of its crappy designed lifetime.
“I’m as entitled to my opinion as any other Scot”
And nobody is saying the opposite.
What you are not entitled to is to come to a pro-independence forum and demand to be respected, or indeed agreed with, when you are taking advantage of any opportunity to put down and undermine Scotland, its constitution, its rights and history for the sake of preserving a political union whose fundamental conditions have been breached so many bloody times that it should have been declared null and void one hundred times over.
And it would have been, if only we had MPs and MSPs with a will and spine made of bone rather than butter, and if only we had representatives actually concerned about representing the interests of the people of Scotland rather than those of the crown of England.
Dan @ 3.27. Levels of Scottishness.
I listened to a group of people in a bar (somewhere in Fife) discussing why the SNP was going downhill.
The reasons varied, but a number of people said they wouldn’t vote for a party led by someone who wasn’t Scottish and gave that as the reason for the decline. Such is the perception by some of what being Scottish means – or doesn’t.
Dan – The MSP’s are saying: “We’re not engineers; we really don’t understand what’s going-on here”. Hence, accountability passes to the original engineers. “When were they told about this and what did they do to investigate?” You have understood this pretty well over the piece, haven’t you and you are right, the past few days of weather have been something of a wake-up call for all of them.
Dan – On the subject of heating; a neighbour gave me a Norwegian book the other week on the development of wood-burners. They were invented there and they have used them for a couple of hundred years. This guy uses biomass heating. The latest versions of traditional woodburners though use two chambers, one to heat the wood to give-off smoke and the second to burn the smoke. These type are used to heat water though and not to give off radiant heat. That’s the way it is. They pass all the ecological standards by a mile because burning wood is less polluting than any other form of heating short of electricity. I’ve seen one in action. Another neighbour has it, he has two in fact, side by side, and they are fabulous.
We definitely are way through the looking glass.
I definitely fancy joining the ‘BA Robertson Cult’ or any cult really. I feel so dull just being boring old me. Nae cult, born in the right body, straight *’cabbage white’ 1000% Scottish hetero. Who on earth would date me if I enrolled on a dating site?
Naebody that’s who!
I always think ‘cult’ sounds like ‘kilt’ in ‘Scottish’. ‘Up yer ‘cult’ Ya Bass!
How about an ‘Up yer cult cult’
Test of Scottishness Question No 67.
Is ‘Ya Bass’ Gaelic or the word for someone born out of wedlock?
*Cabbage White
A subtle white with the slightest hint of blue, Cabbage White takes its name from the most delicate of butterflies. This palest of blues is perfect for rooms that go up into the eaves where you want to use just one colour on both walls and ceiling. This colour really comes into its own when contrasted with All White.
I wonder who thought up that name?
As green as he was cabbage looking or maybe just colour blind.
@ Mia at 5.37: “..you are not entitled to.. demand to be respected..when you put down…Scotland,,,its constitution, rights and history…etc etc”
Very well put, Mia – succinct and principled. If only our politicians were of the same standard.
@ willie at 6.59 a.m. on 19th October: the link to the sentencing remarks by Lord Arthurson about the abductor butcher.
Many thanks for the link. I have downloaded in order to send it to my constituency and list MSPs who defended GRR when I wrote to them about the clear and obvious dangers for women and children. I hope that Maree Todd and Emma Roddick will learn a lesson.
Mia,
the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties was signed and ratified in 1969. It is not retrospective in effect, so has no effect on the Treaty of Union of 1707.
@ Cpt Yossa
Simple modern wood stoves when burning seasoned wood* are pretty efficient, and don’t rely on leccy to power fuel feed or fans on overly complex gadgetry.
* Seasoned wood has low moisture content so the firebox burn temperatures are not excessively lowered trying to evaporate the moisture out of damp wood.
My wood supply is locally sourced as I clear up windfall at various locations, and therefore it doesn’t have the ridiculous additional carbon footprint of the trees being harvested, processed, logs kiln dried, and then transported cross continent by trucks and ship then trucks as some of my local “green” neighbours purchase…
If I get to the point I can’t get off my arse once an hour to put a log in the stove to keep it going, then and only then will I consider alternatives. Was hoping Scotland would get its shit together and Scots could actually afford to use this increasing abundance of clean leccy we generate in our geographic area, but that looks like a forlorn dream for th etime being, but I have installed the wiring for leccy heaters anyway during my property’s renovation.
I can actually make my own leccy to cover my current usage cheaper than I can buy it from the corporates, so still considering going off grid and telling the leccy company to stick their supply up their arse.
I could set myself up with generation equipment with the few hundred quid I still have in credit from the those 67 quid payments the government handed out. Note that they didn’t really hand them out to the people, the people were merely temporary recipients and a conduit for those funds to end up in the big corporates’ pockets as they continued their rampant profiteering.
I light my stove with a couple of pages from old newspapers collected from the recycling bin. Today’s paper was a Herald from Feb 2022. I had a chuckle and it was a reminder that it wasn’t just Sturgeon that failed to deliver that referendum last week.
https://archive.ph/SE8sp
Some engineers are also having to absorb a gas price increase. Not gas for heating though. For some reason the price of MIG welding shield CO2 Argon mix gas has jumped from 76 quid for a half bottle in June, to 106 quid last week.
I found this out whilst visiting an acquaintance’s bodyshop. They have a 2021 Range Rover in for repairs. It needs a new headlight and it costs 2800 quid plus VAT! And like many other automotive parts, it’s on back order.
Mia,
Thank you for mulling over the debatable question of wether Queen Anne of England ever became queen of Scotland and all the information included in your comments,.
Your analyses in not to dissimilar from my own, regarding whom witnessed the Scottish oath being taken other than early propaganda newspapers of their day and a parliament that wanted to capture Scotland, its finances and its resourceful lands and sea,
If the parliament of Scotland had agreed in 1702 to Queen Anne becoming monarch of Scotland through the path you have suggested,
It is my personal opinion that Queen Anne of England through her arrogance of presumption and eagerness to have Scotland and its assets threw Englands opportunity away by not being in a Scottish kingdom completed ceremony of crowning during her life span,
What was given to England on a platter by the turncoats in Scotland ended on her death,
And it is a timely reminder to observe that throughout the history of Scotland the procedure to become monarch of Scot included the Oath as a only sectional part part of Scottish Coronations, there was the investure, the annionting and placing the crown on the new monarch head.
I was reading this full SCOTTISH coronation information in relation to Charles11. which is well recorded including mentioning the banquet afterwards,
Leaving the last legal monarch of Scotland king Charles 11.
Hence no union of crowns prior to the treaty of union or afterwards.
Again in my opinion it would appear that the Parliament of Scotland was applying English law and had not sought confirmation of the Oath,
However even if the had Queen Anne left loopholes by not going through with a full Scottish Coronation in Scotland to become Queen of Scotland.
As England could not crown her queen of Scots or officially take her oath in the kingdom of England.
I vary slightly in my opinion from yours in repealing the treaty of union.
The very sentence would imply that the old Scottish parliament was in the parliament of Great Britain,
But as Westminster states it was extinguished from the treaty of union, (look up meaning of word extinguished)
And the other Authority that states the there is no Scottish parliament in the british parliament is Hansard, which records by the proclamation of Queen Anne her Majesty that the parliament of Scotland was dissolved in Westminster parliament of England.
As we no Scottish parliament in Westminster, how does the question of repealing a treaty even arise?
If we are not in it.
Dan – 2 things: A chap I worked with used to live in Tokyo. There, they use “energy from waste” plants which are sited underground and all over the city. They are basically furnaces which incinerate waste and use the heat to produce steam to turn a turbine and thus produce electricity to feed to the grid. When you walk around Tokyo, you can seen these stainless steel chimneys sticking out of the ground with about the same frequency as you see bus-stops here. They burn at such a high temperature that they will burn light metals, like bed springs and so on. That’s one of the ways the Japanese deal with energy and waste. Also, a variation on woodburning stoves and this is in Scotland, one company has a woodburner, sited underground again, that will even burn through tree roots which newly dug out of the ground and are dropped into it by forklift. I’m not saying it’s environmentally friendly or anything like that, but if you supply enough air, they will burn virtually anything. Finally, buy all the automotive parts you can from the scrap man.
Lord Naw-Naw bleating about his ‘credentials’ again I see… I’m this and I’m that and I’m the other.
Who gives a toss, or should that be who gives a TOS?
I recon we all know how “Scottish” the “Scottish Regiments” are, thanks to decades spent by the MoD trying to counter any Scot-Nat tendencies within the ranks. Can’t have those damned “sweaties” a.k.a “porridge wogs” thinking and doing for themselves, now can we?
I’m sure many recall 5 SCOTS “doing the bouncy” at the Ibrox AFD circus in 2013, to the delight of the mouth-breathers there who understood only too well the origins of “the bouncy”.
If the Scottish Yes vote in 2014 had been bigger than 52% and Yes had held the day, I wonder what our “Scottish Regiments” would have done had the UK Government ordered them to take to the streets and enforce Martial Law in Scotland, whilst Cameron, Betty & Co. figured out how to impose Devo-Max upon Scotland/keep the Union intact, whilst lying to the world that the result was down to widespread voter fraud and the leading figures within Yes were under house-arrest.
Would our “Scottish Regiments” have supported the people and the democratic process in Scotland? Or, more likely, would it have been 1746-1750 redux, with a ‘Nuremberg Defence’ thrown in just incase friends/families objected?
Perhaps the idiot abroad can enlighten us mere civilians as to whether his “Scottish Regiments” are indeed Scottish, or just tin soldiers of the British variety, wrapped in tissue paper and placed inside a tartan shortbread tin, to be taken out and played with by the UK Govt. whenever Cabinet feels inclined to do so?
I’ve thought quite a lot about what is meant by English & also Scottish as in the people.
I never really got a satisfactory answer or any answer come to that.
When I read about the ‘2023 Australian Indigenous Voice referendum’ I got to comparing Scots with Aboriginal Australians & also Native Americans.
https://tinyurl.com/9t3kmn98
Legal definitions of Aboriginality
https://tinyurl.com/2d36ud9j
Who are Indigenous peoples?
Indigenous peoples are the descendants of the peoples who inhabited the Americas, the Pacific, and parts of Asia and Africa prior to European colonization. Indigenous peoples continue to thrive throughout the world today.
This is what I’ve decided. Scots are the descendants of the people who inhabited Scotland before colonisation in 1707.
Something similar could be applied to the English. They were never colonised but you could say the English are the descendant of the people who inhabited England before it became part of Great Britian & the UK.
Aboriginal Australians are not white white white nor are the Native Americans and neither are Christians.
Scotland prior to colonisation was white, white, white & Christian. If you are BAME & a Hindu, Muslim, Seikh non Christian then you are not likely to be Scottish.
This idea that you can come to live in Scotland or are born in Scotland it automatically makes you Scottish is nonsense. The New Scot idea is as crazy as ‘transwomen being women’
People who live in Scotland, come to live in Scotland or are born in Scotland are for the most part British by nationality. There is no Scottish nationality.
The Scottish part only applies to descendants of the people who inhabited Scotland before colonisation in 1707.
Don’t worry if you are not Scottish. You know what they say ‘it’s shit being Scottish’
Next post will be about how much I hate ‘Scottish Face’ tartan tat and these fuckin’ racist C U Jimmy hats.
The ex First minister was photographed quite recently wearing on of these ‘Racist CU Jimmy Hats’ smiling like an idiot. I expect she would wear a ‘Klu-Klux Klan pointy hat’ if there was a photo opportunity in it for her.
ASA,
Indeed, it seems there is a difference,
As most treaties are “ratified” by the appropriate people.
Whereas the treaty of union “raffled” to Scotland for price money.
I was disappointed that nobody picked up on my post about RAAC after me getting all au fait with ‘Reinforced Autoclaved Aerated Concrete’ and the potential time bomb if it doesn’t all get sorted PDQ.
Sinking schools I guess will sink slowed but the schools with ‘Reinforced Autoclaved Aerated Concrete’ roofs will just fall on the children’s heads without any warning.
The sinking school has been sinking (or maybe it hasn’t) for about three years now.
Robertkknight, @ 8.24pm,
Scottish regiments are recruited in Scotland. They may contain a few that you may not regard as properly Scottish (particularly now that a low level of recruitment is done in the Pacific isles), and many of the attached cooks, mechanics and medics may come from anywhere in the U.K. But of the 800 who may be on parade, I’d say that well over 700 are fully Scottish.
You seem to have a problem with the Army in Scotland supporting the union. It’s the most natural thing. The soldiers wouldn’t really join if they didn’t. There will be some, of course. But I’d say that around 90% of my Regiment were, and still are, unionist in nature. And Scottish.
You will just have to accept that reality.
A Scot Abroad said;
“the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties was signed and ratified in 1969. It is not retrospective in effect, so has no effect on the Treaty of Union of 1707.”
It may not legally apply to the ToU, but if the principles and arguments that justified the Convention are still relevant, we would be entitled to expect them to be considered anyway. And if they were not, we would expect a serious explanation why not.
Reality for you, your Lordship, is that on that basis, your brainwashed, propaganda formed opinion resulting from years of regimental groupthink, and expressed from abroad, can be discounted.
Feel free to salute your Union Flag, (provided you’re suitably attired of course), and worshipping at the Church of His Britannic Majesty, whenever the opportunity presents itself. In other words, “as you were”…
James Che said;
“As we no Scottish parliament in Westminster, how does the question of repealing a treaty even arise?”
James, Scotland’s MPs ARE the old Scottish Parliament in the Union’s Parliament, just as England’s MPs are the old English Parliament in the Union’s Parliament! Everybody else in there is just staff.
Both sets of MPs are there specifically to represent the two sovereign Kingdoms’ interests in the joint governance of their two territories. When you understand that, it becomes obvious that neither set of MPs is entitled to demand and expect the other Kingdom’s set to submit to their majority decisions. Nothing about England gives it any authority over Scotland, and nothing about Scotland gives it any authority over England.
The difference in their numbers is irrelevant to their respective sovereignties. Democracy is not entitled to trump either kingdoms’ sovereignty, especially when a proper democratic format that retains both MP groups’ numbers without sacrificing the sovereignty of either kingdom is easy to devise. Dual Majority Voting could have been introduced on day one of the Union. Its absence is both a constitutional and a democratic crime. Add it to Westminster’s charge sheet.
What do these Scottish regiments do in Scotland?
March up and down the Royal Mile and stand outside the Castle having their photos taken with the tourists.
I know what they do at these regimental dinners they have in the castle.
Dirty flashing indecent exposing fuckers!
They take the women’s cameras and pass them around under the table taking pictures up their kilts.
Kilts up cocks out flash & click!
The woman ends up with a memory card jam packed with dick pics.
@A Scot Abroad 8:52pm
I will give you that. Some people on here think an Independent Scotland won’t need an Army. As if the people that served are a lower form of life. Right now I bet the people of Brechin and Angus would welcome Army support. It’s not only in active service the Army is needed but in Civil Emergency support roles. Spare a thought for me. I was the only Scotsman serving in an English Regiment. A long story. I went on to get 3 degrees and have paid additional taxes for most of my life working in Scotland. But criticism of you is justified. I am a principled Independence supporter as are 47% of the Scottish electorate. We can’t be wished away. Try to engage with the mindset of understanding your enemy. I put up a 2 billion blackhole in the Scottish finances comment earlier on. No response, BTW that’s an annual blackhole. We are raising taxes to support an SNP in power to serve their bank balances and their mates. Some people think the worst SNP policy is a man is a woman. No the worst policy is the creation of an International Bond to service Public Services. That involves my grandchildren, they will be paying for years. I am calling for a Scottish Parliament Election now. Are you?.
Ruby – when you make your word-salad, skitter-bug, psychotic rants on Wings over Scotland, sensible folk like me are tempted to retire to their bed with a glass of whisky.
“the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties was signed and ratified in 1969. It is not retrospective in effect, so has no effect on the Treaty of Union of 1707”
Well, well, well. It seems that you do indeed look backwards 300 years after all, ASA, despite your protestations in your comment above. That is nice to know. We are making progress.
However, I am afraid you have missed the point.
The point being the union was a complete fudge railroaded through coercion and bribes and forced on the people of Scotland despite bitter popular opposition.
This fudge would have never been able to withstand the most minimum scrutiny under current principles of international law.
Yet, this fudge, which was forced through coercion and bribes, which was undemocratically forced on the people of Scotland despite knowing the overwhelming majority of the country rejected it, which would have no worth under the current principles of international law had they attempted to force it through in the same muscular terms Anne did in 1706, is now treated as if it was something sacred or indeed a precious thing by the unionists, who of course profit from it, and sadly our own “nationalist” representatives, who are building a profitable career out of preserving this fudge, so they can keep pretending they are forever and ever working to end it.
This “beatification” of the fudge has reached the absurd stage of having the absolute ruler who forced it on Scotland and who by default systematically rejects democracy, now demanding the purest form of democracy, forcing the Scottish people to jump through an increasing number of increasingly high and smaller hoops before disposing of the fudge in the bin where it belongs even be mentioned.
It is beyond ridiculous.
The Article of the Vienna Convention you are referring to is Article 4, titled “Non-retroactivity of the present convention”.
But this article states:
“Without prejudice to the application of any rules set forth in the present convention to which treaties would be subjected to under international law independently of the convention, the convention applies only to treaties which are concluded by states after the entry into force of the present convention with regards to those states”
Article 3 of the Convention titled “international agreements not within the scope of the present convention” states:
“The fact that the present convention does not apply to international agreements concluded between states and other subjects of international law or between such other subjects of international law shall not affect:
a) the legal force of such agreements
b)the application to them of any of the rules set forth in the present Convention which they would be subject under international law independently of the Convention
c)the application of the convention to the relations of states as between themselves under international agreements to which other subjects of international law are also parties”
In other words, the Vienna Convention of the law of treaties may not apply to the Treaty of Union, but the fundamental principles of international law which apply to all treaties and over which the Vienna Convention was built, do.
One of those fundamental principles in international law which precede the Vienna Convention and therefore apply to the Treaty of Union is “pacta sunt servanda”. It is considered by many the oldest principle in international law and means “agreements must be kept”.
This means every single breach of each fundamental principle of the treaty of union and every single breach of the Claim of Right which was included in the treaty as a fundamental condition at all times, has represented a direct violation of the fundamental principle of “pacta sunt servanda” under international law.
Each and every one of those breaches should have led to the immediate nullification of the treaty if only we had real representatives with a spine rather than useful idiots of the crown pretending to represent Scotland while only representing themselves, the interests of those controlling their parties and the interests of the crown.
Another fundamental principle of traditional international law that precedes the Vienna Convention, and is therefore applicable to this treaty, is “Clausula rebus sic stantibus”. This principle means that a treaty becomes inapplicable when there is a fundamental change in circumstances.
Treating Scotland as a colony and not a partner is a fundamental change in circumstances.
Abusing power to expel the people of Scotland in the Clearances was a fundamental change in circumstances.
Using the treaty as an excuse to claim ownership of Scotland’s natural resources and territory is a fundamental change in circumstances.
Abusing power to hide from the people of Scotland a report on the extent of the wealth of Scotland to stop independence and secretly plotting how to steal Scotland’s seabed to take control of her assets should it become independent, is another fundamental change in circumstances.
Abusing power to unilaterally redraw the boundaries of Scotland’s territorial waters so our partner could steal Scotland’s oil fields was another fundamental change in circumstances.
Suppression of Scotland’s heritage and language and imposition of our partners’ one by default is another fundamental change in circumstances
Stealing Scotland’s powers and claiming ownership of those by the representatives of our partner is a another fundamental change in circumstances
Ignoring the expressed will of the people of Scotland, and therefore popular sovereignty, and imposition of parliamentary sovereignty that has no counterpart in Scotland’s constitution is another fundamental change in circumstances
The systematic violation of Scotland’s constitution is another change in circumstances.
Imposition of brexit against the will of the people of Scotland was another change in circumstances.
A 56 strong majority of anti-union MPs was a change in circumstances
The unilateral violation of the Scotland Act by the representatives of our partner so it could steal the powers of our parliament without Scotland’s consent was another fundamental change in circumstances.
A mandate for an independence referendum was another change in circumstances
Having an unelected representative of the crown blocking bills and handing control of the legislative power to the crown imposing in practice absolute rule is both, a violation of the Claim of Right and also a fundamental change in circumstances
In other words, we don’t need to apply the Vienna Convention in the Law of treaties to invalidate the treaty of union, ASA. There are sufficient principles of traditional international law applicable to this treaty that can be used to end it, if only we had representatives from Scotland acting as representatives of Scotland rather than the useful idiots of England’s crown.
Hi Captain Yossarian.
Have you tried any supermarket blended whisky with any (own brand) Iron Brew?
Rather satisfying.
George – The debt was built up over the years by Scotland’s reliance upon Scottish Futures Trust. That was set up by Salmond and Grossart and has been siphoning Billions of pounds every few years. That cash is raised from the private sector markets, from exactly the same sources as PFI. That debt was always going to build up and become unsustainable and that is what we are seeing now. So, Humza and Shona are borrowing money to pay for the money they have already borrowed. Gone are the days this stuff used to be investigated in the Press.
Good to know that I have that power! Yippee Girl Power!
You shouldn’t be drinking or smoking in bed.
At one end of the Royal Mile you can see Scottish regiments up there in the castle doing their thing and at the other end of the Royal Mile there are Scottish Regiment veterans living in Whiteford House. The fire-brigade visits Whiteford House pretty much on a daily basis. I’ve been told this is due to drinking & smoking in bed.
Apparently these ex-service men have all sorts of alcohol & drug related problems. Some men pay a very high price for having ‘served their ‘country’.’
Don’t smoke or drink in bed. Put on your Union Jack jammies & your wee Union Jack night cap with the pom-pom on and have a cup of horlicks in front of the fire then brush your teeth for 2 minutes and then go to bed.
You should go now as I am about to have another ‘word-salad, skitter-bug, psychotic rant here on Wings’
George Ferguson,
A Scot supporting independence is not my enemy. He or she is a Scot with whom I disagree. Enmity between Scots is not called for, nor necessary.
You make a good point about Scottish bonds, or “Kilts” as the City boys in London seem to be calling them. They actually make independence less easy to achieve: Yousaf hasn’t the intelligence to work out why. To help him understand why, here it is:
The Kilt will trade at a discount to the Gilt. That’s sovereign risk priced in, with Scotland unlikely to achieve anything above a CCC rating.
With any prospect of an IndyRef, the Kilt will drop further.
Any talk of repricing the Kilt into a different currency will cause it to drop further.
Kilts taken into a new iScotland will be at least 20% less than a Gilt.
That’s how markets work in uncertain times.
So go for it, Useless. You’ve got the power to issue up to £450 million in Kilts each year. And every single one takes independence further away.
Mia,
If you want anyone to pay attention to whatever u are wittering on about, learn some brevity.
@Captain Yossarian 10:01pm
Captian, Interest has to be paid on Government debt because of past decisions. I talking about about recent developments, as in SNP Conference decisions last week. We are adding one billion to the baseline Kate Forbes one billion a year blackhole. Nothing to do with PFI. Everything to do with Liz Truss type electoral giveaways to keep the SNP in office. Both the Conservative UK Government and the SNP/ Green Scottish Government are spending money they don’t have. So the SNP wheeze, let’s go to the International Bond Market and raise money. I would rather invest on the first favourite at Musselburgh. We won’t pay for their foibles. It will be our grandchildren.
When there was talk about ‘World Peace’ & the horrors happening in the Middle East I didn’t want to say anything about the British Army as I knew that would hurt peoples feelings.
I totally support the idea of having an army that helps out in Civil Emergencies, at hospitals, during covid and generally where help is needed. They could maybe even do mountain rescue, save lives at sea in their lifeboats, help the aged, disabled & homeless. That would all be good.
I would definitely be cheering on ‘our boys’ returning from helping out in Brechin & Angus.
What I have a great deal of difficulty with is cheering on ‘our boys’ returning from killing people in foreign lands basically being part of the army of a warmongering nation with one of the worlds largest defence budgets + weapons of mass destruction.
“The very sentence would imply that the old Scottish parliament was in the parliament of Great Britain”
The Scottish parliament, the same as England’s parliament was in the parliament of Great Britain and, in my opinion, still is.
Please note, in 1707 there was not a general election neither in Scotland nor in England to elect the MPs who would form the very first parliament of Great Britain.
The reason behind that was the crown feared both, the people in Scotland and the people in England would elect anti-union majorities and end the union before it started.
The union was a royal fudge, pushed and instigated by the crown, but very unpopular among the people.
So what they did is effectively cutting the parliamentary sessions of both parliaments in two. The parliament of England started as the parliament of England and ended as the parliament of Great Britain.
Despite the nonsense that Wesminster and England politicians may be saying that the parliament of Scotland extinguished itself, that is not what happened.
The parliament of Scotland on its last session, the exact same as England’s parliament, started as Scotland’s parliament and then continued in Westminster as the first parliament of Great Britain. The only difference between both was that, while England kept all its MPs, Scotland was made to reduce its representation to 45 MPs, which were elected by the MPs themselves and among themselves and 16 lords.
In other words, the idea that the parliament of Scotland “extinguished itself” is complete baloney, because if it had extinguished itself it would have not been possible for the very same MPs who were in the last session of the parliament of Scotland to simply up stakes and move to England before undergoing a general election.
“But as Westminster states it was extinguished from the treaty of union”
Westminster also states it has parliamentary sovereignty when it cannot because Scotland’s parliament did not have it. Scotland’s parliament could not confer to the parliament of Great Britain what it did not have.
It is baloney. There are no parliamentary records of Scotland anywhere I have ever read where it states categorically the parliament of Scotland extinguished itself. None. The parliament of Scotland continued in Westminster as the first parliament of Great Britain, exactly the same as the parliament of England did.
“And the other Authority that states the there is no Scottish parliament in the british parliament is Hansard”
Hansard is not an “authority”. It is simply a record of what is said in parliament. Not all the MPs are very knowledgeable in the subject so some of them say the first nonsense that comes to their minds. Others speak simply to show their loyalty and earn brownie points. Others speak and waffle away because they enjoy the sound of their own voice. If you read through the hansard records you will find a lot of nonsense, a lot of laughable crap and and things which are simply wrong. It is however very interesting to see their mentality and the wicked ways in which they attempt to justify the unjustifiable.
“As we no Scottish parliament in Westminster, how does the question of repealing a treaty even arise?”
First of all, there is nothing stopping the people of Scotland calling another convention of the states or indeed another parliament. For as long as the amoebas sitting in there continue to hold onto the Scotland Act like a shield, and for as long as an unelected representative of the crown continues to steal from the people of Scotland control of the legislative power to hand it to the crown, Holyrood is not Scotland’s parliament and never will be. It is the crown’s toy parliament.
But there is no need to form another parliament. Scotland’s MPs are the actual custodians of Scotland’s old parliament. There is nothing stopping them, other than their own greed, cowardice and careers, from vacating the green seats, reconvene the old Scottish parliament and revoking the Treaty and Act of Union with England 1706.
It is not England’s Mps who we need to focus our demands and the strictest scrutiny on. Because if the treaty of union remains extant despite the multiple violations of its fundamental conditions including the Claim of Right, it is only because the “allegedly” Scottish representatives in both parliaments have been making a mockery of the rights of the Scottish people and letting those violations of the treaty to continue with impunity.
Mia
You might need to add some pictures for Lord Naw-Naw.
“If you want anyone to pay attention to whatever u are wittering on about, learn some brevity”
The fastest and most obvious way of demonstrating your awareness that you lack credible arguments to counteract those of your opponent is by engaging in ad hominem to distract from the arguments themselves.
So thank you, ASA. I take your brief response to my previous comment as your reluctant acceptance of the validity of my point.
@A Scot Abroad 10:24pm
We appear to be in agreement. I put up post years ago about the devaluation of the Scottish Pund versus the English Pound historically. Depending on your timescale it was between 1 to 5 / 8 pounds. So naturally the larger economy was more successful. My beef is raising an International Bond to service Public Services. It’s a ruse for SNP electoral giveaways to keep them in Office.So can we agree in the need to call for a Scottish Parliamentary Election?. I don’t want my grandchildren to be on the hook for the shortcomings of the SNP. Or better still the UK Government put Holyrood in special measures.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/now-the-traffic-lights-change/comment-page-1/#comment-2797883
Forgot to add to the above post ‘a jingoistic warmongering nation that takes part in an illegal wars & is the junior partner in a special relationship with US
Ruby,
I’ve taken part in a couple of homecoming parades. The first was when we came back from Kuwait in 1991, having helped liberate it from a real warmonger. The second was after a peacekeeping tour in Bosnia, where we’d successfully prevented any number of attacks on civilians by people from different ethnic groups descending from the mountains and slaughtering villagers.
During the latter, I briefly noticed a wild-eyed, and seemingly drunken, scruffy woman being restrained by Lothian Police on the pavement. She was screaming invective at us, accusing us of being bloodthirsty killers. There’s always idiots in Edinburgh.
@ Ruby
hahahahaha!
Do you mean some of the pics they take under the tables at the regimental dinners?
Mia, you can place any interpretation that you like on my words, but you probably won’t get it right. A matter of total indifference to me.
Be brief in your own head, though, as otherwise you’ll fill it with word-spam and won’t know whether you are coming or going. There doesn’t seem to be much space in there.
George Ferguson,
Agreed. Taking on new debt to pay for old debt is insane. Particularly if at bad terms, which is what Kilts would be.
Bosnia peacekeeping.
Translation –
Protecting the NATO’s aI-qu3da proxies, shipped into Bosnia to create mayhem.
Kuwait where in Scotland is that?
Did you not read my question? Was it too long & lacked pictures?
I’m sure your mammy would be very proud of you marching down the Royal Mile in your soldier boy uniform.
Are you sure that wasn’t her that you spotted being restrained by Lothians’ finest?
Did you go to the regimental dinner in the castle after the homecoming parade & take a few dick pics under the table?
Maybe you were sent to rat, rodent, cockroach invested Redford Barracks for your dinner. Yuck! I hope you didn’t come across any crunchy bits in your ‘boeuf bourguignon’
ASA. The total garbage you spew is bewildering to normal Scots. We see where we are today. The continued poverty across Scotland hasn’t changed
in 300 years. We all know that will change soon. It’s just a matter of time.
Sturgeon and her gimps screwed us. She will pay dearly for her treachery. We Scots don’t take lightly to being betrayed.
No Mia! He would just add those to his spank bank.
I’m talking about pictures that would help him understand your posts.
See ‘Early Readers’ for examples of what I mean.
Low on words with plenty visuals.
Anthem,
There is poverty in Scotland, but given how long ago it was that devolution occurred, it’s no longer blameable on London. You’ll need to look to Edinburgh as to why it still occurs. Edinburgh has full competence in how it spends money in budgets that could be used to tackle poverty, and receives around 110% of the money, per capita, that England does to tackle these matters.
Maybe if the Scots in Holyrood were even semi-competent in budgeting, there wouldn’t be fiascos such as children’s hospitals, trams, ferries and smelting foundries being given away. Even books of leader’s speeches and the gender woo-woo stuff to pay for, and there’d be some leftover cash to pay for poverty reduction measures, or even sorting out Europe’s least effective health system.
Ever felt that you’ve been let down?
Last post for tonight, voluntary work tomorrow. In case posters think the Scottish “Pund” is a made up word. We invented the word Pund derivative a Pound. The Bank of England was invented by a Scotsman who then when on to launch the Darien Scheme. He survived, his wife didn’t. Humzas International Bond raising scheme is a second Darien scheme. Resist at all costs.
other articles of merit
THE NETWORK OF GLOBAL CORPORATE CONTROL
Stefania Vitali
James B. Glattfelder
Stefano Battiston
Chair of Systems Design, ETH Zurich, Kreuzplatz 5, 8032 Zurich, Switzerland,
WHEN A ‘RAT RACE’ IMPLIES AN INTERGENERATIONAL WEALTH TRAP
Joel Nishimura1
The UN publishes a booklet on the “RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLES” (you can download it yourself) – which says, explicitly, Scots should not have to put up with all the shit we have had – voting franchises, economic damage, housing built for incomers not locals.
There is a PDF called the GREAT OBFUSCATION from 2007 – that far back – which rips GERS apart.
ROGUE AGENTS
The Cercle and the 6I in the Private Cold War 1951 – 1991 by David Teacher
this is a full book, with so much in it, e.g. the creation of the EU is covered, how it was ruined (taken over by anglo-american-zionist elements), and why the UK quit (it wanted a duopoly with Germany, but they actually believed in a 27 nation “democratic” ideal)
– an excerpt
To take the British example, much of the destabilisation of British democracy in the 1970s can only be fully understood by analysing the international support given to groups like the Anglo-American “deniable propaganda” outlet, the Institute for the Study of Conflict. The Cercle Pinay was a major source of support for the ISC virtually from its inception on; the Cercle Pinay and the ISC also tied in with another key British group, the Foreign Affairs Research Institute, heavily funded by BOSS, apartheid South Africa’s secret service. BOSS’s other incursions into domestic politics in Britain, notably their smear operations against leading Liberals such as Jeremy Thorpe and Peter Hain, were a significant factor in the hijacking of British democracy in the 1970s. Three Cercle members on the FARI Board assisted FARI’s actions from 1976 through to the early 1980s. FARI in many ways was the British successor to a previous Cercle operation to support South Africa; the Cercle and the ISC had been active partners in setting up a Paris-based propaganda outlet in 1974 as part of South Africa’s covert media campaign later exposed in the “Muldergate” scandal.
German intelligence reports on the Cercle Pinay written in late 1979 and early 1980 which were published in Der Spiegel in 1982 also shed new light on a “Thatcher faction” within MI6 in the lead-up to the Conservatives’ 1979 election victory. Whilst receiving wide publicity in France and Germany, these reports have never been covered by the British Press. This serious omission is astounding in the light of the undeniable authenticity of the reports and the startling allegations they contain: one of the German intelligence reports dated November 1979 quotes a planning paper by Crozier about a Cercle complex operation “to affect a change of government in the United Kingdom (accomplished)”. The report goes on to describe a working meeting held at Chequers, the Prime Minister’s country residence, just after the Conservatives’ election victory which brought together Prime Minister Thatcher, serving MI6 Chief Sir Arthur Franks and two Cercle complex members – Brian Crozier and former MI6 Division Head Nicholas Elliott. Crozier’s planning paper quoted by the German report also specifically mentioned international Cercle campaigns “aiming to discredit hostile personalities and/or events”.
– this is a great book, it shows you what you are up against, how deep, well organised, sinister and contemptuously anti democratic it all is; it also shows how much, as in all aspects of life, the “pro” (even a mediocre one) beats the “amateur” almost always. So, we find out the facts, 30 years too late. The bad guys have moved on and what are they up to now? We are always playing catchup and remember today our enemies have huge informational resources that shits like Crozier never did.
How many little “croziers” have been wanking around scottish politics and the indy movement this past decade or more? Until you can deal with the infestation, nothing is ever going to start.
Ruby,
Kuwait. Open an atlas. Read a history. Try to think of the moral principles involved. Don’t be a fool all of your life.
Johnlm aka R Sole
A wee bit of reading for you.
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/snps-secret-scotland-police-scotland-31252478
Ruby
Some reading for you as well, since you decided to pile in.
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/snp-incompetence-behind-eye-watering-31252628
Ruby n R Sole
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/snp-government-urged-quicker-making-31251934
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/former-snp-minister-jeane-freeman-31250343
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/humza-yousaf-set-another-embarrassing-31249696
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/top-surgeons-labour-mp-bid-31247343
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/snp-council-tax-freeze-leaves-authorities-with-black-hole-in-budget-z7qm537tr
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/17/scottish-council-tax-to-be-frozen-next-year-humza-yousaf-tells-snp-conference
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/humza-yousafs-wife-voted-raise-31247596.amp
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/inheritance/snp-devolution-inheritance-tax-as-tories-mull-cut/
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/in-your-area/renfrewshire/snp-bid-zone-out-right-31235570.amp
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/snp-incompetence-behind-eye-watering-31252628.amp
https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/snp
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/snp
JohnIm,
you haven’t got a fucking Scoobie about peacekeeping in Bosnia. I’ve spent 27 months over 6 years doing that. So shut yer fucking trap.
Robin Cooke (among others) spilled the beans on who B1n L@den was working for.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_mujahideen
If you don’t know how regime change works you should open a book sometime.
Ron ‘squirming like a toad’ Clark
Sorry Ron, you told me not to read your English press.
Nice to see you working with Sir Fitzroy Maclean again tho’.
JohnIm,
When you’ve got something better and more informed than stupid Wikipedia to refer to, I might take a lecture from you on peacekeeping in Bosnia. I’ve met and had to negotiate with more nasty people on all sides of a complex multi-century ethnological, religious and social pile up than you will ever comprehend.
Now, isn’t it time for you to take the bus to whatever miserable employment it is that you do, to pick up your brush and and start sweeping out the bogs?
George – the original £Billion debt is a legacy of John Swinney’s time in charge. It is mainly PFI debt and it is increasing every year. I remember when he borrowed the last £Billion and it was only 6 years ago. The increasing debt due to subsidising Council Tax is relatively small in comparison.
Gotta laff at Lord Melchett claiming the moral high ground and demanding that I work to pay for his ill gotten pension.
ASA. I stand by my original comment.
@Ruby says: Good to know that I have that power! Yippee Girl Power!
Nah , I have my doubts, no women has the time on their hands that you have. You’re never off this site. A bit of self Id going on.
George – Lastly, if there is a Holyrood election, Labour will most likely be returned and their track-record with respect to PFI debt is on a par with the present administration’s. The folk of North Lanarkshire for example are impoverished for the next twenty-five years due to PFI debt owing to 3No schools. The only solution is to stop PFI entirely, as they did in England. Personally speaking, I would rather stop Holyrood entirely.
JohnIm,
Unlike you, I suspect, I’ve probably earned my pension.
Lord Naw-Naw getting worked up again I see – keyboard covered in spittle no doubt. He’ll be off down the Legion first thing to complain about the ungrateful b***ards who don’t simply fall over themselves to thank him for his service and in doing so accept his nonsense as gospel.
Never mind, I’m sure there’s plenty going on in Norfolk to keep him busy when he’s not on here ranting about his bygone glory days, although my time at Swanton Morley was as close to a life spent watching paint dry as you can get. (Marham or Coltishall would’ve been more up my street, I love the smell of Jet A-1 in the morning, but hey-ho, ya gotta go where ya gotta go).
Ruby @ 11:42 pm
“Kuwait where in Scotland is that?”
Naewhair! Exactly, colonised Scots remain ‘out of the game’, led by England-as-Britain into 100+ mostly corporate-colonial conflicts since Ireland became independent a century ago and adopted neutrality, Ireland’s fowk nae langer cannon fodder serving the imperial maisters global corporate greed.
This is what independence is about, ‘a people’ making their own decisions in matters of war and peace and in all other respects, no longer being used and abused by others.
Anthem,
If you stand by your original comment, you are standing by some pretty basic stupidity.
Cheers Ron BOB 🙂
Interesting reading once they are archived!
Are you talking about the women you know?
Are they all busy ironing their husbands shirts, scrubbing the scullery floor & generally knowing their place?
This place is great I love it it’s better & far more educational than any evening class I’ve ever done.
My original question was ‘What do these Scottish regiments do in Scotland?’
Not Kuwait, not Afghanistan, not Iraq, not Bosnia SCOTLAND
Maybe you should open an atlas and find out where Scotland is.
Maybe Scotland doesn’t feature in your atlas being that it was extinguished in 1707 and became Lesser England.
Jesus Den do you not read Captain Yospot’s posts he told you I am a spinster.
Nae shirts tae iron, nae tea to cook. nae stinky underpants to wash, nae faking it, nae standing by my man, nae scullery floor to scrub.
I don’t think I have a scullery. What is a scullery anyway? Is it a place to store sailing equipment? I have a kitchen where I plate up my take aways delivered by a nice young man on a bike. I have three robots one scrubs the ‘scullery floor’ one hoovers the carpet and the other washes the windows. Everything I have is non-iron and if it isn’t I’m quite happy with the crumpled look.
I have lots of time to wind up you up! 🙂
Take care look at poor old ‘Lord Naw-Naw of the Naw Baws’ he’s so wound up he’s about to have a stroke. Although that wasn’t all my work Mia, Johnlm, Confused & many others had a hand in it too. Mia being mainly responsible on this occasion wi her long posts wi big words & nae pictures.
Alf Baird, you utter tosser.
Has it not crossed your tiny little mind that the people of Kuwait had been invaded, and were on their way to being colonised and enslaved by Iraq? And it was Scotsmen who were part of their liberation. Of course it hasn’t, you are far too smug, selfish, self-satisfied and up yourself to ever think of a bigger picture. Unable too: your brain is inadequate.
There’s 3 dead men, and around 25 grievously wounded from my Regiment that were part of stopping that. All you do is to clutter up society.
Ruby – I hope that you are as efficient at boiling trip and onions as you are at clearing all interest in this site.
You are a very good man George. I hope you have a great day.
@Ruby I’m afraid you protest to much old boy, you and no chikita tut tut what a terrible prank to try and play in fellow wingers.
Don’t mention the war.
I did, once, but I think I got away with it.
The old Zi0nist gentleman doesn’t like it.
Ruby @ 10.52
Hahahahaha – brilliant top-of-the-range wind-uppery 🙂
To think utter mirth-free zones like S. McCabe , J.Godley n – FFS – S Calman are considered and consider themselves to be ” comedians ” whilst you provide lolz in abundance completely gratis , tells us a bit about the state of Scottish comedy generally and how being * successful * has very little to do with genuine talent/skill now – and everything to do with knowing the * right * people n espousing the * right * views .
The ONLY funny thing about those aforementioned alleged comedians is that people actually pay to see/hear them .
The Comedy , like every other form of entertainment , is being destroyed by * Woke * absolutism
Ruby
You’ve turned into a nasty wee fat piece of work lately.
You and You’re house must be stinkin,,,because as far as I can make out, you seem to be sitting on your fat arse abusing other punters all day, every day.
Calm down dear, calm down.
Buy a treadmill and maybe try to offload some of the bulk that is attached to your torso.
Elasticated knickers will never work if you are just going to sit at your computer abusing people.
And try cutting down on the takeaways.
Have a target,,,try getting down from a size 24 to about size 22.
It won’t improve your chances of getting a man,,but it will help take the strain off of the poor computer chair your arse is never done sitting on.
Ruby is one letter away from being Rugby.
Which would be more appropriate for you, considering your basic shape is that of a Rugby ball,,,too much sitting at computers does that to a women’s shape.
Have a nice day Ruby,,,or is it Rugby (ball).
Johnlm
Here’s some reading for you to pass the time of day.
I know you really love the links I post up.
Do let us know what they are about,, because I personally don’t know what they are about.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12661677/SNP-leader-Humza-Yousaf-says-wifes-parents-living-torture-Gaza-left-just-six-bottles-clean-drinking-water-100-people.html
https://www.scotsman.com/education/snp-urged-to-deliver-sustainable-funding-for-colleges-as-research-finds-they-are-worth-ps52bn-to-the-scottish-economy-4380940
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/were-enough-u-turns-uninspiring-31251392
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/snps-secret-scotland-police-scotland-31252478
Ron Clark
Wot no insults today?
I don’t read English propaganda. You told me not to.
Tell me what you think it says.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/humza-yousaf-gaza-hamas-first-minister-israel-b2432679.html
Mia,
Xaracen,
Do you mind if I need a information clarification of Queen Annes Proclamation on dissolved the Scottish parliament,
Was this while it was in the treaty of union and British Parliament?
Or was it before the Scottish parliament entered the treaty of union and the British parliament?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cameron-humza-yousaf-snp-alison-thewliss-tories-b2432492.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/snp
.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/scottish-national-party/
Ron Clark
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/anger-management-expert-guide-identify-source-how-to-deal-with-rage-issues-stress-shame-depression-mike-fisher-a7534076.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive%E2%80%93compulsive_disorder
https://news.sky.com/topic/snp-5710
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/snp-conference-lisa-cameron-tories-b2428692.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/snp-polls-starmer-labour-sarwar-election-b2394806.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/uk-government-scottish-scottish-government-suella-braverman-scottish-national-party-b2373281.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-party-ap-britain-jeremy-corbyn-european-union-b2426296.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12659531/Stephen-Daisley-Tories-use-Scotlands-oil-fuel-fightback.html
Johnlm aka R Sole.
Ruby aka Rugby (ball).
The dynamic duo,,,you two really know how to handle us “agents”.
Plenty more links to come.
Keep up the good work.
Hahaha.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/civil-war-brewing-famous-country-31241781.amp
I sometimes wonder, if I were an MI5/MI6/77th Brigade/Disinformation Unit employee of some type, would I post all types of obvious unionist rubbish on the site run by, my view, the most informative, incisive and effective political commentator presently on the scene. (Take a bow Rev).
Or, would I swamp the site with every type of personal abuse, constantly repeated endless screeds of polemic saying the same, or very similar, things day after day. Maybe, just keep posting link after link after link. Until I achieved my disruptive aim of boring people to such an extent that they just, hopefully, gave up on reading the threads other than the lead article.
I’m starting to wander even further down the rabbit hole I fear.
Come on Rev, time to cull the trolls and return BTL to decent opinion and debate.Your readership will get very tired of this constant pish. I know I am.
Ooooh, the ScotchAbroad and Yoonarian are getting very worked up this morning lol.
New ‘ukgov’ secret indy poll result, is it?
Clowns the pair of them.
OCD, no research, abusive, objection to responding to JM?
Hmmmmm.
“You are John Main, and I claim my five pounds !”
Not that I’ve anything against big English men behaving like big jessies (assuming they’re not also masquerading as newscots) but if a player approaches the ref midmatch and asks for advice on what to do if an opposing player calls him a big jessie,
..and if the referee responds “nothing please”
..and if the same player says after the match that whatever was said during it need not be talked about
Can any of the resident rugby experts explain the disciplinary procedure by which world rugby gets to take the incident extremely seriously?
ie – seems to me that unless and to extent hurty words are foul play, or able to cause a concussion, the instruction to take the incident extremely seriously cannot have come from a fourth official that, after all, had no authority to suggest a penalty for going over the top in last minute, correct the one for the scrum that won the match, or even get the wee RSA winger binned for cheating (charging down french kicks nr the touchline) earlier in the tournament) and can only have come from the same referee that ordered (albeit politely) that nothing was to be done about it when, if it mattered at all, it mattered most.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/67192409
Reading ASA telling us that roughly 90% of the solders in Scotland are unionist minded supporter and then telling us these were Scottish bred minded solders causing havoc and fighting all these wars,
Defeats his own point he was trying to make,
If you think like a union actor and you act like a union actor, you will kill and you will Colonise.
A union actor makes no distinction over which nation has to be suppressed, killed or Colonised, he is trained to fight first not think,
And if told to will willing turn to suppress his own nation if so ordered, he will comply according to his physical and long term mental training.
This training includes “conformity of mind, on body and in particular feeling authorised by the wearing a “uniform”
as was the case of the MILGRAM EXPERIMENT.
ASA. The statement still stands. And now you’ve confirmed it.
The results of the “Milgram Experiment” and the “Line Experiment” was seen during the time the Virus pandemic,
And the required reaction of the public to go against their own better judgements and to comply en mass to conformity by governments and Doctors in uniform often on the payrolls,
So much a jab I believe, while having the ability of no requirement to busy themselves at surgeries with other fatal illnesses
And the public conformed on Cue and accurately the predicted outcome of the Line Experiments and the Milgram Experiments.
Training on the body and mind of a Army regimentally to “conform” to attack, to kill, to abuse human rights in favour of brutally to Colonise another peoples Country , to regime change nations, to take their resources land and sea, under a authorised uniform
The uniform is permission from any government to authorise murder.
Trained to “not” see others as human beings like themselves equivalent humans.with families and children. That mourn and cry for their lost loved ones,
These Experiments had a purpose.
Confused,
Interesting article you penned. And naming the sources.
Good jourlism,
James Che
Fascinating reading.
Do continue to educate the lesser humans amongst us, namely the English who visit this site.
Are you a Professor of history by any chance?
You are so knowledgeable.
James – This site a predominantly Nationalist site and that much is accepted. I have respect for Nationalists, I have several in the family, and a few on this site make good contributions. Unionists are allowed and they provide balance and keep the site alive with different talking points. The rule of the site that I am aware of is: “Play the ball not the man”. If you constantly go on the attack all of the time, the Unionists will leave and this site will be all the weaker for it. Are we all clear on that? Leave it to the site owner and if he determines that a contributor is nothing but nuisance value, then he can take the appropriate action.
What’s the matter with you boyfriend? What have I done to upset you?
I love you links I just archive before reading. What’s wrong with that?
A Scot Abroad @ 11:01 am
“Alf Baird, you utter tosser.”
It might help if you actually read up on some of the history of the region, esp from 1930s on, and England-as-Britain’s devious colonial activities there to gain access to Iraq’s oil, which created many of the conflicts we still see today, as is invariably the case with Imperial powers:
“Attempts made by King Faisal I of Iraq to build a railway to Kuwait and port facilities on the Gulf were rejected by Britain. These and other similar British colonial policies made Kuwait a focus of the Arab national movement in Iraq, and a symbol of Iraqi humiliation at the hands of the British.
Throughout the 1930s, Kuwaiti people opposed the British imposed separation of Kuwait from Iraq. In 1938, the “Free Kuwaiti Movement” was established by Kuwaiti youth who opposed British rule and submitted a petition requesting the Iraqi government reunifies Kuwait and Iraq. Due to fears of armed uprising in Kuwait, the Al Sabah agreed to the establishment of a legislative council to represent the “Free Kuwaiti Movement” demanding the reunification of Iraq and Kuwait. The council’s first meeting in 1938 resulted in unanimous resolutions demanding the reunification of Kuwait and Iraq.
On 22 February 1938, oil was first discovered in the Burgan field. In March 1939, a popular armed uprising erupted within Kuwait to reunify with Iraq. The Al Sabah family, along with British military support, violently put down the uprising, and killed and imprisoned its participants. King Ghazi of Iraq publicly demanded the release of the Kuwaiti prisoners and warned the Al Sabah family to end the repression of the “Free Kuwaiti Movement”.”
https://www.csun.edu/~vcmth00m/iraqkuwait.html
Thank you Robert. Your post fair cheered my up. I seem to be getting a lot of hate mail today!
Alf Baird,
I’m aware of a lot of that re Kuwait. But it doesn’t alter any of the facts on the ground in 1990. The Kuwaitis were terrified of the brutality of the Iraqi regime, which took tens of thousands of them hostage and into Iraq, and started systematically destroying their infrastructure leading to the port from which they exported their oil.
They were delighted to be liberated.
@JohnIm, I burst out laughing whilst eating my dinner when I saw the Fawlty Towers quote.
Old Captain Yospot actually thinks he’s the Captain here!
All clear Captain! I salute you! V
No taking the piss out of the ‘Naw Baws’ otherwise they will leave!
How long will the leave for? 2 years or 2 hours?
All clear Captain! All clear for
take-offtaking the piss!Cheerio! Cheerio! Cheerio!
Greetings to all enemies of empire and this festering kingdom.
It’s been really good to read how very upset that guy in Norfolk was through the night. Schadenfreude in purity.
In addition I like the suggestion to learn about Kuwait , the empire construct last century to steal Persian materials and wealth. Benefiting a small minority. Sounds familiar doesn’t it.
I was minding BAOR sites in Germany employed by the AVL as a civilian. Obviously they didn’t want to remove that mad ass Saddam that time ‘round . Just secure the oil.
Saddam was a Western construct against Iran and they hadn’t decided what to replace him with.
Our visitor mentions Bosnia.
I got into that when it had remained the most progressive Easter European state for decades. Then the West got involved and only those unwilling to live with different where allowed a seat at the table . The murderous west under the UN tore Yugoslavia to pieces.
Bosnia suffering most as it was the most integrated , which the western rulers don’t want.
Bosnia was notable for the west , us the UK opening the door to extremist Islamic proto taliban .
US ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie, seemed to give tacit US approval for the invasion of Kuwait.
That is a very cruel suggestion Alf!
With regard to Bosnia a few years back I watched footage of a talk being given by what had been the Canadian ambassador to the then Yugoslavia. In it he said that peace talks had taken place and a deal agreed and was about to be ratified when the Clinton government, Albright etc, contacted the Kosovans and told them that if they declared independence America would recognise it and arm them. They did so and the war dragged on for another year or so and at the end the Kosovans got a worse deal than the one they had reneged on.
I read an article in the Guardian of all places a few years ago and the person who had written it was talking about the lead up to the war. I am having to paraphrase from memory here but he said that the Serbs had made up about 25% of the population and Muslims about 12% but a generation later Muslims made up 28% of the population and Serbs 17% and that is what kicked it off. I went from reading that to reading up on the demographic changes and make up of the country and in the maps published online Serbs had been leaving areas which were designated theirs in the post war agreement. No reason was given as to why they were vacating these areas and moving back to a more central position. A colour scheme was used to identify the demographics and in the areas which had been Serbian and the areas around these it was marked as Red and the text in the article said that this meant that the demographic makeup of these areas was unknown, whole patches of the map that they did not know who inhabited them.
Undoubtedly there was a war in Bosnia.
But…
The Sarajevo Markale market bombing of Feb. 1995 looked like it was a French army film production with dummies and a fake hospital.
Snipers shooting some very poor actors.
The next attack on the Markale market in August was the excuse NATO needed to start bombing Serbia.
Moulding public opinion.
Keep on keeping on Ruby you give me more laughs than captain ahab and captain bhab, whilst there is nothing going on and Stu is ahem resting, are we supposed to just sit and read the interminable shite posted by those two about how shitey Scotland is and how THE WAR was won, there is enough of that BILGE on TV FFS endless programmes going back to the 40s and 50s on how great the empire was and how england won the war single handedly
Ruby aka Rugby (ball) 4.14pm
STILL on my case I see.
I noticed when you responded to me that you only quoted a snippet from my original post.
So I thought I would show the original post in full that was sent to you.
Lots of good advice included in the post:-
“You’ve turned into a nasty wee fat piece of work lately.
You and You’re house must be stinkin,,,because as far as I can make out, you seem to be sitting on your fat arse abusing other punters all day, every day.
Calm down dear, calm down.
Buy a treadmill and maybe try to offload some of the bulk that is attached to your torso.
Elasticated knickers will never work if you are just going to sit at your computer abusing people.
And try cutting down on the takeaways.
Have a target,,,try getting down from a size 24 to about size 22.
It won’t improve your chances of getting a man,,but it will help take the strain off of the poor computer chair your arse is never done sitting on.
Ruby is one letter away from being Rugby.
Which would be more appropriate for you, considering your basic shape is that of a Rugby ball,,,too much sitting at computers does that to a women’s shape.
Have a nice day Ruby,,,or is it Rugby (ball).”
JohnIm,
I was in Bosnia from Early December 1994 until late August 1995, on one of my tours, as a UN Monitoring Officer. That Sarajevo attack on the market was very real, whatever it may have appeared to you to be.
The NATO bombing of Serbs was in response to the Srebrenica massacre, not an attack on the market. It was initiated with UNSC authority under a previous resolution (May of that year, I seem to recall) when the Serbs had taken 100 UN Monitoring Officers hostage in the Serbian controlled areas and Sarajevo. I was posted to a Croatian held area at the time.
Johnlm aka R Sole
Are you and Ruby,,, or is it Rugby?,,,trying to take on the world?
Mr and Mrs Angry.
Keep up the cheeky bastard attitude you like,,,because I have loads of links for you to read.
Operation Deliberate Force.
30 Aug.- 20 Sept. 1995
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Deliberate_Force
Cheers twathater!
You too! Keep up the good work.
Thumbs up!