Wings Over Scotland

twathater says:
23 October, 2023 at 6:26 pm

Keep on keeping on Ruby

Cheers twathater!

You too! Keep up the good work.

Thumbs up!

I don’t live in Scotland but I do have significant contacts and family ties there; I support the Union.
I came on here to try to understand the issues of independence supporters
Given the clinical dissection over the years of the laughable SNP by the Editor of this site I struggle to see what is now proposed; all that seems to happen recently is a series of deranged and repetitious posts and a load of personal abuse.
Obtaining another ‘indyref’ is not enough; what is proposed in the event of a win ? Are there ANY coherent policies on here ? Currency ? Defence ? Immigration ? Definition of ‘new nationality’? Border controls? (would the Editor be excluded as a resident of the most English of English cities ?) Taxation ? I’ll not even mention ‘net zero’ and gender issues as I think both have net zero chance of influencing any outcome in the event of another indyref.
I’ll get me coat.
PS-I’m not English

link to youtube.com

I want you to imagine Mel Gibson saying the following:

You can post yer links, but you will never make me read!

Massive cheers from the crowd!

Tommo

How dare you come on here and talk some sense.

Are you not aware that the nutters love to regurgitate false ancient history every day? Some like to write novels which nobody will read. Others prefer to belittle others who do not subscribe to their warped views. Nobody seems to be remotely interested in any sensible policies in the areas you mentioned and there are a lot more. After Independence everything will be sorted by magic by whatever incompetent Government is in place. Insults abound however, I must confess to dishing out my fair share, when I can be bothered.

Rest assured the sane amongst will continue to vote NO at any opportunity until such times as coherent policies are proposed by an honest, competent Government in waiting. The problem is I don’t see where this Government is. Can anyone enlighten me?

So UNPROFOR knew it was going to happen and let it happen???
And did nothing to properly supply Srebrenica by the sound of it.
Dutch ineffectiveness at Srebrenica was assured.
Given the fakery at Merkale, it sure looks like the ‘peacekeepers’ wanted an excuse to start something.
Get NATO involved despite it having nothing to do with them.

Ruby – Tommo spent some time putting together a concise list. He’s what I would call a good contributor to this site. He complains about “a series of deranged and repetitious posts” and then you volunteer to answer him with a typically deranged and repetitious post. Care to answer him properly?

Something has reinvigorated the old boys . Requesting repeated explanation of what Scotland has to survive and prosper without the largesse of British thieving.
It is also an explanation that some of these numb nuts were considered commanders of the cluster fuks perpetrated .
I believe some are likely war criminals in the international legal sense. Not that has ever mattered.

Ruby, the dictionary is clear: the English are natives of, or residents of England. Ditto the Scots and Scotland. You won’t get any better definition because anything that tries to be more precise unravels very quickly.

Beyond that we make our own judgments and frankly they are generally superficial: if I hear someone with a Scottish accent (of any sort), they are a Scot until I am told otherwise because that is a pretty good guide to start with.

We’re all etc is fine and good.
When you accept the faces of those singing the “English anthem “ as they call it with visceral hatred. Then it’s difficult to forget the verses when the declare their desires to rush rebellious Scots to crush . Or should we just shut up and fuk off like the Palestinian people?
Genuine question. For the Britnat fascist visitors too.

I see mrs murrell has passed her driving license
Now she will have to ask polias alba to release the camper van so that she and her
“friend “can drive off into the sunset- leaving the wreckage behind

It is the obsession with what an English or Scottish person is that is dumb because as you point out John, there is no satisfactory answer. What if your Hungarian mate has kids who go to an English school, speak the King’s English and adopt the culture like a ‘native’. Are they then not English? They become just as much English as Hungarian and their kids even more so. The shift is very rapid. Going on about this stuff is a hiding to nothing.

Brian Doonthetoon @ 9:47 pm

“We’re a’ Jock Tamson’s bairns.”

Well, some are ‘more equal’ than others, but much more so in a colonial society where an oppressed people are debased, regarded as subordinate, their language(s) considered invalid, their culture obliterated, their resources plundered causing many to exist in poverty in a country that remains under-developed and lacking in opportunity.

Here the anti-independence elements deserve little empathy from the colonized, not least because, as Aime Cesaire put it: “colonization dehumanizes even the most civilized man (who) aspires not to equality but to domination”.

In a colonial society we’re no equal at aw, we’re forged into unequal beings.

Southernbystander says:
23 October, 2023 at 11:07 pm
What if your Hungarian mate has kids who go to an English school, speak the King’s English and adopt the culture like a ‘native’.

What culture are you referring to?

Fucking Air Sourced Heatpumps droning away stopping me from getting to sleep…
I can’t remember the last time I had a decent sleep since all these ASHPs started getting installed. There was a mild night last week before the storm hit, and I went to bed and noticed it was actually silent with no humming and droning just like the village used to be, it didn’t last long though as within 20 mins one had started up again.
Clearly there were no adequate surveys completed prior to the installations if the pumps need to cycle as often as they do through the night as they attempt to keep properties warm. The systems cycling as often as they do implies the property’s insulation level is poor, and as a result the heat loss is so high the systems are running close to constantly as they attempt to maintain heat within the property.
Plus no survey or consideration has been carried out into how any noise these systems generate might reflect and resonate off building structures and cause an issue for those that live nearby.

If the gullible folk that got coerced into fitting all this shit won’t start making claims for being sold a pup, then maybe neighbours that are having to put up with the noise might have a case. Or on a bigger scale taxpayers that are disgruntled that their taxes are getting spaffed away on all this greenwashing pish rather than being spent on essential services.
But I guess with Scotland being inhabited by so many fucking gormless subservient folk that seem to just suck up ever increasing amounts of shite, I won’t hold my breath for this being sorted out anytime soon.
Big Pharma will love this though as folk start getting prescribed tranquilisers and sleeping tablets.

Dan , here in the westend of Glasgow my sleep has been disturbed by a constant thrum . Spoke to a chap from environmental health and when I said I as near Gartnaval, he mentioned their heat pumps and that folk had complained before. I was told he would look into it and that was the last I heard. The noise decreased for a time but if you get ‘tuned in’ it still disturbs sleep.

@Dan 1:22pm
The decibel noise from a single air source heat pump should be between 40 to 60 decibels at 1 metre. Download a decibels reading phone App. This is free and does the same job as a decibel meter. There is a distinct possibility the heat pump hasn’t been installed properly and is giving off noise outwith the design envelope. Get the reading and make a noise complaint!

‘But i guess with Scotland being inhabited by so many fucking gormless subservient folk that seem to just suck up ever increasing amounts of shite’

Yoons, wha’s like them eh?. Lol.

The person masquerading as ‘Ron Clark’ is also using terminology such as “English bastards”. This level of mental disturbance should be reported and not engaged with. There should be a zero tolerance of this sort of thing.

And that goes for those on here who are regularly accused of being unionists in one form or another. You also have a responsibility to report it, not just use it as a stick to beat other indy supporters with.

Mind you, for all we know the character ‘Ron Clark’ could very well be one of your creations designed to make indy supporters look bad. NOTHING is beyond the BritNat’s when it comes to tactics.

Stoker

Are you joining Ruby aka Rugby ball and Johnlm aka R Sole in attacking me?

Don’t be a fuckin eejit.

Yoon links are posted because these two continue to converse with the likes of John Main.

And I will continue to post those links until they stop.

They also think they are a couple of cheeky smart arses.

So if they continue to be on my case,,,then the Yoon links will continue.

And the next time you annoy me then you will also be responsible for the appearance on Yoon links.

You have been warned.

There was a noise problem in Edinburgh for a good number of years with music being blasted from the Tartan Tat shops.

That seems to have been sorted out more or less but it took years.

They play ‘Scottish’ music at full blast.

I’m wondering if you know what I mean by ‘Scottish’ music or if I need to be more precise.

According to ‘Southernbystander’ this could be anything from ‘Bhangra’ to ‘Hungarian folk music’.

@ Dorothy Devine

The noise really is annoying because as you say it’s something that you seem to tune into therefore not easy to avoid. It’s not dissimilar to enduring tinnitus.
Had another crap sleep lucky if 4 hours, and I wake up and can still hear the droning as I type this.

@ George Ferguson

Aye, it was myself that posted the legal noise limit for an ASHP is 42 decibels.
But I also read that whilst ASHPs are operating they can omit 40 to 60 decibels. So how on earth does that work if the legal limit is 42Db.
For those that do not know, 60 decibels is 10 times louder than 50 decibels, and 60 decibels in 100 times louder than 40 decibels.

I’ll see if I can get a shot of a proper calibrated decibel meter as have a couple of contacts that have such devices.

@Captain Yossarian 9:15pm
Captain remember the decibel range is not linear. Each 10 decibels will sound as twice as loud. So 60 decibels will sound twice as loud as 50 decibels A prolonged exposure to 70 decibels or above can damage hearing. So 10 heat pumps should sound around twice as loud as a single heat pump. I suspect noise dampening has been incorrectly installed. Until Dan uses the free phone App to measure we can’t say for sure.

There are people who have the sound of a chainsaw constantly ringing in their ears. It’s called tinnitus.

Might be a good idea for Dan & Dorothy to check this:

link to tinnitus.org.uk

I don’t image the heatpump problem is going to be sorted out any time soon and if you resort to tranquilisers and sleeping tablets you could end up with a much more serious problem.

I haven’t read the link I’m hoping it says ‘just stay cool don’t let the noise problem drive you insane’ find a way to live with it. Don’t get angry that’ll just make it worse.

How about thinking of the noise from the heatpumps as a lullaby?

Noisy heat pumps:
The Telegraph reported in May this year that DEFRA had raised the issue of noisy heat pumps with the Department for Business and Trade and was working on a £6 million noise-mapping project over fears that the cumulative impact of many heat pumps in a residential area could tip over into disturbance.

The report quotes sound experts saying that the whir of the fan, hum of the motor, and buzz of the air conditioner condenser unit can all cause disturbance, which can get worse in frosty weather. The units can also cause noisy vibrations.

It’s notable that the Western Isles, Orkney, Shetland and Argyll & Bute topped the list of heat pumps installed ranging from 73 to 175 per 1000 households. At that point, the number of installations in all other UK areas was much lower, ranging from 0.4 to 45 per 1000.

Johnlm aka R Sole

You still at it?

link to dailyrecord.co.uk

Dan, i have quite loud Tinnitus , due to 50 odd years being at Motorcycle race meetings , in particular last fifteen or so being an accredited photographer at Isle of Man TT and other Road racing circuits where you get very close to the bikes. Silly me never bothered with ear protection so suffering for it now.
I find the best way to get sleep is to have a radio on at low volume all night.
Dont know why it makes a difference but it does, otherwise it would drive me mad, its bad enough during the day!
Worth a try and see if it helps you sleep.

Ruby, the English culture; the way people behave, address each other, talk, dress; the art, music, literature, TV that is popular, the pubs and beer, football, cricket, interest in local history and how it has shaped today, architecture, love of landscape and type of countryside, and so on.

Culture can be difficult to define as it an accumulation of lots of things and is also always changing but it very much does exist and I could go into lots of detail under all those headings. I bet you could too regarding Scottish culture. Some of it would be the same of course, quite a lot in fact. Some will say that is the colonial legacy but this hides the fact the peoples on this island are in fact, pretty similar which is hardly surprising.

But you seem very keen to belittle any suggestion that people from outwith Scotland can ever be Scottish or contribute to what Scottish culture is and over time become as Scottish as you. I don’t think like that and never will: Stromzy is now as English to me as Stephen Fry.

Oh, now this is interesting. I hadn’t considered it till now what with being tired from lack of decent sleep… but the other day I noticed the colony of bats that have resided behind the fascia board of my property for decades seem to have gone. They lived just a few meters from where the neighbour’s new and noisy ASHP has been installed.
Bats rely heavily on acoustics so that could be a show stopping factor in play with all these ASHP installations. Bat survey required in assessing any property’s suitability.

@ Lenny Hartley

That’s not so good you have tinnitus. I had endured occasional bouts in the past and that is why I wear ear protection now, and generally always have ear plugs in my trouser pockets in case I unexpectedly find myself in an noisy environment such as pub with a band playing, or a workshop with machinery running.

I’m actually almost up to my ears in motorbike engines at the moment. The recent floods unfortunately swamped a couple of a neighbour’s bikes, so I have brought them over to my place to work on and have managed to drain and clean and get the one running that didn’t get too much water ingress.
Sadly the other bike’s engine filled with water and has watermarked and started to corrode internal components so that’s a real scunner, and I have a jigsaw of hundreds of components I have removed and cleaned to salvage as much as possible. Both bikes were very tidy so it’s quite upsetting for the owner and I can empathise as hate seeing stuff like this getting damaged.
He had a pretty bad and debilitating stroke a year back so was unable to take action that would have prevented this from happening. I’m just giving a few days of my time to help out as very few folk are in a position or have the skills to do what needs done to these bikes.

Breastplate says:
24 October, 2023 at 11:58 am

Southernbystander,
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with Scotland and England being different or similar in any number of ways but the similarities shouldn’t be used as evidence that we are the same people, we simply aren’t.

‘Southernbystander’ isn’t just suggesting that Scotland & England are the same but that every country in the entire world is the same.

Sure we are all human beings but culturally we are all very different.

I’ve not been very impressed with ‘Southernbystander’ arguments on this or any other occasion.

He seems to think that if I went to live in Japan I would immediately become Japanese.

How bonkers is that?

Stu,

I was thinking last night We heard not from you in a while, so we are asking after you and hope all is well, with you and yours,

Ruby, @ 12:13 am,

In response to your question, I’m Scottish because I have 3 fully Scottish grandparents, was born and lived in Scotland until the age of 19, and am certainly not English, Welsh or Irish.

What it means to me is that I am a member of a preciously held union of four distinct countries, under a mostly unified government, and I’m not looking to change any of that.

That’s my answer to you. I couldn’t give two hoots if you don’t like it.

Defining Scottish and english,

Well “personal” abuse intended to aggrivate and incite rage in people in cause racism hatred has always been the actions to benefit bigger actors by divide and rule methods,
It also makes a easy target to take down Stu’s web site.

I never classify the ordinary man woman or child on the street when speaking of yoons or unionist minded people as specifically English, Scots, Irish or welsh,

But as the mind of those whom want to maintain a union in Britain at all costs politically.

When a person volunteers to consider themselves in this brackets of discription that is their personal choice wether they are Scots, Welsh, Irish, or English,

When I consider the overall picture of these names it is in the context of their own admission as to what political stance or context they personally make, like chosen a political party.or stanceb.

On politics their has always been a natural divide difference.
These involve turncoats and faithful on both sides to ones on country, who has authority falsely enisaged by their political status choice,

I often think that Englands people should have a choice if they want to be independent from London, as those outwith london also suffer the conseqences of Londons financial elite,

The political discouse on “democracy for the people” in GB has almost come to a standstill,
The political elite switch in Westminster , prime minsters between elections like changing socks,
Changing who you voted in to someone you had no option to have,
That is the system of the lords and ladies of both houses to Switch from BJ to Truss, to Sunak.
The people in the Country of England also get whom they did not vote for,
The election process and the difficulty in Britain to be voted in as ordinary people even in the commons,
There is seldom a voice for those below the establishment, and the elite that run Britain as a corporation of profit or losses,,

We all know that Scotland and its people has been Colonised and treated like dirt beneath Westminsters feet,

But I often Wonder how long it will take The ordinary people in England, Wales and Ireland to realise that they have very little tights, that day by day their rights are being reduced, they are also Colonised, like Scotland,

They are just slower on the uptake on how the financial elite in London have Colonised their lives and treat them like dirt also.

Scotland knows it has been abused for hundreds of years,

And It has crossed my mind have the politicians ever wondered if they continue to run Britain as a mafia style government where democracy, finance and freedom only belongs to them in Westminster and not to the people of Scotland, England, Wales and Ireland,
how long they will last,
The outcome of total control by Westminster while robbing and taxing the ordinary people beyond their pockets, may not be what they had hoped.

One world government where the trich get richer and the people get poorer with less freedoms from big brother will only be persevered with for a liminted time,
History has a way of repeating itself.

O/T: CRAIG MURRAY under investigation under para (2)(b), Schedule 7, Terrorism Act 2000. See his blog.

His phone is being retained for further investigation by Police Scotland.

Craig has already got his lawyers involved about the terms of his detention at Glasgow Airport i.e. no right to a lawyer, no right to silence, no right to leave. This costs money so he is inviting assistance from us.

Can Scotland or England get even worse?

Interestingly we are free to comment as he has not been arrested or charged so contempt of court provisions do not come into play, Craig says.

Please Excuse the frail and ancient borrowed techno errors that sometimes do not function on the keypad board.
And those of you on here over a past few years will be aware that dyslexia combined with old technology is not a great combination for commenting, hopefully you are able to discern the comment message I put forward,

Och its a constant battle, and a lot has to be repeated because it does not send or disappears into the ether.

Incitement and agitation on here perhaps to cause divide and hatred, would certainly wobble Stu’s site,
When it becomes obvious it may be better to ignore the incitement and agitators for the sake of Stu.

Sarah,

Slowly but surely all of Britain and its laws are becoming Colonised in favour for the few,
We recognise these introduced new laws that Colonise against peoples individual rights as sovereign people quicker than most due to Scots being in this position over hundreds of years.

That any government that claims it has sovereignty of parliament over all the people wether, Scotland, England, Ireland or Wales has turned its self into a limited dictatorship of governance, by passing its own self made laws to grandiose itself above democracy of all other people.in its Country.

That is the nature of any government that by passes the peoples options.

It

Folk judging folk purely by their accent are exactly the hard of thinking I want nothing to do with.
Whilst understanding the emotions that accent and dialect induce , it is very much the age old ruse to devide and rule.
Sound like a southern English cunt myself, Received Pronunciation a name often given to platt English. Sound like a German apparently in Germany, hoch Deutsch.
These judgments are often taken most seriously by dangerous types with little forethought.

A Scot Abroad says:
24 October, 2023 at 3:05 pm

Ruby, @ 12:13 am,

In response to your question, I’m Scottish because I have 3 fully Scottish grandparents, was born and lived in Scotland until the age of 19, and am certainly not English, Welsh or Irish.

What it means to me is that I am a member of a preciously held union of four distinct countries, under a mostly unified government, and I’m not looking to change any of that.

That’s my answer to you. I couldn’t give two hoots if you don’t like it.

Actually I like your post quite a lot particularly because you believe Scotland is a distinct country. The UK Government’s legal advice stated that Scotland was extinguished in 1707 and became Lesser England.

You seem very defensive. I didn’t suggest that you weren’t Scottish just that according to ‘Southernbystander’ you could define yourself as English just by virtue of the fact that you live in England
Nothing wrong with being English. In many respects you are English.

Do you believe that to be Scottish you need 3 fully Scottish grandparents, be born in Scotland and spend 19 years here?

What would make your grandparents fully Scottish?

Not quite sure why you are so keen to emphasis your Scottishness you could be English, Welsh or Irish and still be able to post your views on Scottish Independence/The Union here.

Your Scottishness doesn’t give your views any more credence than any other Unionist living outside Scotland.

I don’t know what age you are now but if you are more than 39 years you have spent more time living outwith Scotland.

Scotsrenewables says:
24 October, 2023 at 6:02 pm

Ruby says:
24 October, 2023 at 11:23 am
Southernbystander says:
24 October, 2023 at 10:39 am

What sort of time frame do you reckon it would take for someone to become as ‘Scottish’ as me?

How long have you lived in Scotland? For me, it’s 56 years. Scottish wife, Scottish kids, Scottish grandchildren. How long have you lived here?

All my life.

What do you mean by Scottish?

Seeing as it is quiet on here and nobody has picked up and run with #BLM (Bat Lives Matter in the ASHP debate). Here’s a link back to some previous franchise smanchise discussion when the vocal Ellis used to frequent btl.
I’ll link to J.o.e’s post as a starter just because he at least generally stated clearly what he thought.

link to wingsoverscotland.com

Dan says:
24 October, 2023 at 6:57 pm

Keep at ’em Ruby

I’m still waiting on an answer too.

link to wingsoverscotland.com

Even the beloved UK of Nu English has a spectrum which determines democratic engagement amongst other factors. EU citizens being able to gain either pre or full settled status after a certain length of time.

link to wingsoverscotland.com

He does tell us here why he thinks he’s Scottish.

Garrion…

“If you live in Scotland, pay taxes in Scotland, care about the well being and betterment of the nation, you’re as Scottish as you like.”

If you lived in the UK, paid taxes in the UK, cared about the wellbeing and betterment of the state, you were as British as you liked, but you still didn’t automatically get a vote in 2016 if you weren’t British!

Please differentiate between 2014 and 2016 on that basis, especially given that Scottish voters polled 52/48 in favour of Yes in 2014, but non-Scots swung it 55/45 in favour of No.

Had EU citizens not been excluded in 2016, do you recon the outcome would’ve been 52/48 in favour of Leave?

PS I once subscribed to your view quoted above, but given the continued ‘White Flight’ from furth of Scotland, particularly to rural areas, now I’m not so sure…

Garrion says:
24 October, 2023 at 7:06 pm

@Ruby and A Scot Abroad.

I’m wondering if we should be careful of the old ‘blood and soil’ discussion.

Why scared in case ‘Better Together’ call us Nazis?

It could be argued that it would be a good idea to define exactly what ‘Scottish’ means and that when people come to stay here to stay they don’t have to be ‘Scottish’ or ‘New Scottish’

Dan says:
24 October, 2023 at 7:07 pm

Seeing as it is quiet on here and nobody has picked up and run with #BLM (Bat Lives Matter in the ASHP debate).

I read that with interest. Not that I know much about bats. I have read in a couple of these books that I told you I like (drugs, sex & motorclycle gangs) about villages/seaside resorts being saved from evil developers because bats were discover so the village couldn’t be destroyed and turned into a holiday destination for rich tourists.

These stories were set in America where I believe bats are a protected species.

Were you thinking the bats could help you put an end to the installation of these Tinnitus inducing pumps?

I just googled and found out:

Bats and the law – Advice – Bat Conservation Trust
In Britain all bat species and their roosts are legally protected, by both domestic and international legislation. This means you may be committing a criminal offence if you: Deliberately take, injure or kill a wild bat.

Lorna & Patrick arrested for cruelty to bats.
All installations of heatpumps to stop immediately.

This place is just so educational. Now I know something about bats.

Let’s not forget the traffic lights change. There is a perfect junction near me. Call’s itself All Ways. Goes North West , North , north east, southwest, south and south east.
The road crossings for pedestrians are typically ignorant of the population. The population considered lesser than those passing by.
What do I mean ?
Typing it slowly so those who like to drive their cars as fast as they hey like yet are unable to move at more than 5mph themselves can compute.
Three of the four pedestrian crossings at this junction allow pedestrians/ people to cross halfway. Then you have to wait another light cycle to reach the other side of the road.
It’s as if the educated highway engineer has never thought people want to cross a road. Not just halfway.
The one crossing that allows foot folk to cross a road entirely is by chance the side where college students might cross. Total coincidence.
Piss takers do what it says on the UK

@ Ruby

I’m more interested in what he thinks makes everyone else Scottish enough to have a legitimate and justified vote on determining Scotland’s future. He lists he’s Scottish as he has Scottish grandparents, also that he doesn’t now live here, but he has eluded to travelling up to get a vote so basically trolling that abusing the electoral system is fine by him.
But what of an English student, or transient worker, or military personnel sited on a a Scottish base, with no Scottish ancestry and who are only here for a temporary duration with no long term commitment or obligation to stay in Scotland.
I knew of EU citizens that were quite happy to take advantage of free healthcare and uni education but were prepared to up sticks and leave for better pastures if need be. Scots didn’t have that luxury.

@ Ruby

Re. Bats, aye that was my line of thinking. It was also something I though of when I saw the extent of the land being cleared around Taymouth Castle in the ongoing Kenmore development when I saw all the trees that have been cleared to make way for the new building plots for all these millionaires. Just seems odd that bat lives only matter in certain circumstances which is basically when the aspect can be leveraged to fuck over and restrict the wee people, whilst big money developers and big “government” ASHP installation initiatives can ride roughshod over the rights of bats and other wildlife. Beavers still get a free pass too as they are still busy indiscriminately gnawing fuck out of trees around my locale. Yet I can’t get the council to copice and prune trees along the rural roads so bus services can continue to operate and serve the wee Scots folks. But it’s cool to strip woodland and build loads of expensive properties and a helipad in Kenmore though…

Being Scottish is easy.

If you believe in the Claim of Right and popular constitutional sovereignty of the Scottish people, then enjoy your Scottish citizenship.

If you don’t respect the Sovereign Constitution, then you literally reject what constitutes being Scottish, so do the maths …

The sovereignty of the people continues, but if individuals want to abdicate their individual sovereign interests, then so be it. It’s their constitutional right to do so, but they should think of the consequences.

Ask an English man if Scots should take the reins for a while, in charge of all the purse strings, in this beloved Union of theirs.

There you will find the age old answer once they’ve recovered themselves.

They do project far too much. What a stupid fucking question to ask Scots ‘what’s the point of Independence?’ lol!
Not continually being shafted of our resources is a good place to start! We’re the cash cow of this union yet thrown peanuts while Unionists constantly moan it’s shite. I wish they’d just fck off & gies all peace, ya pathetic serfs. Too stupid to see the union is a con.

Not in the mood for pleasantries on here & anyone thinking there are soft nos on here are deluded. They’re wasps to disrupt.

Take comment one. 77th Brigade. On a website dedicated to Scottish independence since 2012, literally hundreds of thousands of fcking detailed articles precisely on all of his questions if he even bothered to search. No, he is the first comment to ask dumb questions.

Mind yer own country. It’s knee deep in the shit & you’d be far better asking those same questions of yer prime minister.

Hm, it is very easy to be taken the wrong way on here.

Firstly I do not think the English and Scottish are the same, just similar (e.g. much more similar than Australian Aboriginals and European origin Australians) but obviously with enough differences to make the vital difference. But the point is, the cause for independence is essentially political not ethnic in my view.

Second I am not a unionist and support Scottish independence but will never have any say in that. So I don’t write to defend the Union.

Finally, I do not think simply moving to England or Scotland or wherever makes you immediately English or Scottish etc. But I think the change can happen quickly, depending, and certainly within two generations if not one. The standard dictionary definition I gave is very broad and hence vague because it is actually quite hard not to be vague! If that were not the case then the question of who is a Scot would be simple and this conversation would never have started.

As an aside, I found out the other day via my cousin who loves delving into these things, that on my Mother’s side, I have a direct ancestor (with my Mum’s surname) who literally came over in the company of William I in 1066. The Norman invasion was certainly colonisation (as was the Roman invasion).

Gordon Brown is a Unionist. From a unionist political party registered in London.

I mean move the whole parliament to Scotland. Have 533 seats each. Have Scotland in full control of the treasury & foreign policy. Have Scots at the UN etc.

We have absolutely zero in common with England.
They vote Tory. They’re right wing, they despise immigrants, they’re authoritarian, undemocratic & they’ve an attitude they’re superior to everyone else & punch above their weight on the world stage when they’ve nothing of their own to back up their big mouth. Everything is theirs. Whether that’s natural resources or other countries priceless artifacts.

I lived there for yrs. They have a completely different world view from Scots. We’re socialist, middle ground & would argue the toss rather than bomb things to fck.

Attitudes will change the more roasters that move here. We already see the anti Semitic pish trying to get pushed here.

If Catalonia had a referendum I’d wish them well. It’d be no e of my business how they voted – I certainly wouldn’t stick my nebb in & ask what policies they planned on having for all their future political parties! Lol!!

Geri,

This idea that Scotland and England are equal partners, deserving of the same amounts of votes each, is utter nonsense. Scotland is a minnow compared to England. Always has been. You need to accept reality. There’s nothing at all in statute law or constitution that supports your view. Nothing at all in the reality of the last 317 years.

There are Scots in the Treasury, FCDO, Home Office, UN, Ambassadors, etc. They all work for the government of the U.K. They don’t work for Scotland alone.

It’s also reality that the population in Scotland is becoming proportionately less Scottish, due to immigration from within and outwith the U.K., and net emigration of younger Scots to other parts of the U.K. and overseas. The rate of dilution is slowly increasing, year on year. I’d suggest that in less than two decades (ie babies born now coming of age to vote) there isn’t any future hope of winning an Indyref. That’s just current rends applied to maths and a forecast.

So how is it that over the course of this 300 year union the comparative population growth rate disparity between the two Kingdoms has not been properly addressed seeing that no constituent part of the UK should have advantage over another.
At the start of the union the Kingdom of England’s population was approximately 5 times that of the Kingdom of Scotland, yet it has now grown to approximately ten times with all the economic advantage that gives the KoE in supporting infrastructure developments and tax takes from a larger population. That under London Rule there has been no serious political will displayed or policies implemented to redress this imbalance just shows how badly Scotland is served by the union.

According to Nu English Scotland is a minnow compared to England…

link to wingsoverscotland.com

A Scot Abroad says:
24 October, 2023 at 10:44 pm

Geri,

This idea that Scotland and England are equal partners, deserving of the same amounts of votes each, is utter nonsense. Scotland is a minnow compared to England

That is the problem with the Union.

A Scot Abroad says:

It’s also reality that the population in Scotland is becoming proportionately less Scottish

Here we go again with the term Scottish.

What does that actually mean.

I’ll tell you what, Ruby. People might be getting a bit bored with you constantly asking questions, and then rather petulantly demanding answers. Nobody here on WoS is beholden to run around answering your whims.

Why don’t you go and find out for yourself?

A Scot Abroad says:

It’s just numbers and data, but fundamentally, there’s been for 300 years more economic opportunity to be found in England or overseas in the Empire than there has been in Scotland,

Yes! Being part of the Union has been detrimental for Scotland.

I can understand why Scottish Unionists want to remain in the Union but why would English Unionists want Scotland in their Union? It makes no sense.

What are the financial benefits for England of having Scotland in their Union.

Oh gawd! I’ve asked that question 100s of times already as have many others but it would seem Lord Naw-Naw missed out on the IndyRef debate so it might be new to him. Lets see what he comes up with.

I’m bored already and I haven’t even pressed the Submit button.

The political difference between Scotland and England are enormous,
Scotland has been thrwn out of the treaty of union twice by Westminster.

Once when Westminster stated it was a extinguished parliament of Scotland from the treaty in 1707,

And the second time When queen Anne of England dissolved the Scottish parliament in Westminster parliament in England, by proclamation.

Basically the Scottish parliament was thrown out of Westminster treaty of union twice,

There is a difference between the two,
We have retained out last monarch crown in Scotland, And after the Scottish parliament was kicked out of Westminster twice officially

England has a larger population because they used immigrants to rebuild little England after the war. Loaded onto boats like slaves for the promise of a better life – now they want to load them back again despite being English. (Windrush)
Total users.
That’s where all the sweatshops were located. Now they’ve outstayed their welcome & their offspring seen as criminals.

Scotland has less because the English are in control of immigration along with everything else & the clearances never stopped. Even today huge swathes of land is owned by some English tosser wearing a kilt telling us all we’d be a scrubland without them.

I’m not racist. I’m realist. I lived in England for years. They absolutely despise foreigners, Scots, Taffies & Paddies, Germans, French, polish, Russians, Muslims, Pakistanis, indians…the list is endless. But here’s an idea, spend a day listening to LBC radio or some other English phone in & experience it for yourself. Angry Brit nats who want to teach everyone else a lesson.

Sunak used to remove Bojo but he won’t be in office for long. Braverman used to hail in racist policies just as Patel before her – only to hide behind.

The only ppl they like are the yanks & the Israelis. Two fellow colonisers.

Scotland will be Independent.
England will become the 51st state of yankdom.

An equal union has equal representatives. Scotland never entered the agreement as subordinate. If we did then stop referring it as a union & a united kingdom.

Could the fuckin Yoon Scotland haters who dont live in Scotland and take the fuckin Quislings with you.

Over 600 comments on here.

I bet 550 are yoons telling us how shite Scotland is. How shite BTL comments are, how shite this site is & how we should all just forget about Independence & go back to direct rule where we all lived in some sort of utopia before the SNPEEE & the Scottish electorate pissed on their parade.

I don’t know why they waste so much time here. The daily fail must be missing them.

Ruby aka Rugby (ball) 4.14pm

STILL on my case I see.

I noticed when you responded to me that you only quoted a snippet from my original post.

So I thought I would show the original post in full that was sent to you.

Lots of good advice included in the post:-

“You’ve turned into a nasty wee fat piece of work lately.

You and You’re house must be stinkin,,,because as far as I can make out, you seem to be sitting on your fat arse abusing other punters all day, every day.

Calm down dear, calm down.

Buy a treadmill and maybe try to offload some of the bulk that is attached to your torso.

Elasticated knickers will never work if you are just going to sit at your computer abusing people.

And try cutting down on the takeaways.

Have a target,,,try getting down from a size 24 to about size 22.

It won’t improve your chances of getting a man,,but it will help take the strain off of the poor computer chair your arse is never done sitting on.

Ruby is one letter away from being Rugby.

Which would be more appropriate for you, considering your basic shape is that of a Rugby ball,,,too much sitting at computers does that to a women’s shape.

Have a nice day Ruby,,,or is it Rugby (ball).”

So funny!!!

Don’t you think???

JohnIm,

which countries have WoS BTL commenters “ruined”?

ASA

Most oily countries have to be kept in line or ruined to support the Yankee dollar.
General Wesley Clarke gave us the hit-list.
All wars are banker wars.
AngloAmerica has to ‘peacekeep’ the shit out of some countries.
– “White mans burden.” And all that.

@A Scot Abroad;

Scotland may be a minnow in size compared to England, but it is a sovereign minnow, and that makes it equal to every other sovereign nation across the world, including England.

That you focus on comparing size rather than comparing rights tells us all we need to know about you, and your precious Union. Might does not confer right. Fundamentally, just like England in the Union, you are a bully.

JOHNLM
That Bible, a solid black bound protestant tome was in English, from which Unionism has drawn its xenophobic, cultural rationale ever since.
It all began, literally, with the anglophile J Knox and friends.
That statue before the former «college kirk o Sanct Geill» in Edinburgh is a lowering testament to his enduring psychological influence.

TURABDIN
I’m sure there must be books written regarding The Bible as a weapon of social control.
Translation of it into Gaelic is credited with shoring up the language.
Scots got no similar translation.
Did Catholics own bibles? If not, that could explain some of their rebellious spirit.

The posters on this site fall into 4 categories-

1) The rabid Nationalists who want Independence for Scotland. Nothing more, nothing less. They don’t care about the myriad of questions/problems that have to be addressed/solved. To them an honest, competent Government, in place or in waiting, is not really necessary.
2) Those who are not averse to Independence but want, at least an idea of how an Independent Scotland will actually work and who will form a Government they can trust. Most people agree Brexit was a disaster. The proposed split between Scotland and the UK will make Brexit look like a picnic in comparison.
3) Unionists who want to maintain the status quo.
4) Agitators who simply want to ‘stir the pot’. Their own views, however distorted, are the only things that matter to them and everyone else is fair game for abuse. The past, not the future, seems very important to them

A fair number of posters appear to be Alba supporters or at least sympathetic to their cause. Bear in mind that these individuals and let’s be generous here, amount to 3% of the electorate. Alba could not even put up a candidate for the recent by-election in Rutherglen, probably knowing they would lose their deposit. In all honestly, can they and their supporters be taken seriously at this time?

I don’t know how many people in Scotland have more than a passing interest in ‘Politics’. I suspect that it is not very high. Generally all we hear/read/listen to is from the rabid minority as can be evidenced from the comments on sites like these. Turnout at elections is falling as people become more and more disinterested by the whole sham and realise that politicians are primarily more concerned about self interest, which to be fair is a natural human trait.
Scotland is in for a long period of continued infighting amongst the populace. It probably suits the UK ‘establishment’ for this to roll along forever. Which political party in Scotland currently has the support to challenge this? I will give you the answer-NONE.
One the SNP is finished, won’t be long now, there will be an opportunity for Scotland to reform politically. A phoenix may arise but again the questions, problems will need to be addressed and solutions found if traction is to be found amongst the electorate. It may be a while.

For the avoidance of doubt I place myself in category 2 above.

JohnIm,

you made a specific comment about “old Brit soldiers” ruining countries and posting about it on WoS. I made a query about who you had in mind, as I’m a Brit soldier who has served abroad in war and on peacekeeping, and suspect that I am one of those you might be thinking of. Who the others might be, I don’t know.

You reply with some nonsense about the USA and General Wesley Clark. That’s not really an answer, is it, as the USA corporately and General Clark don’t post on WoS.

So, final offer, either substantiate your claim, or fuck off.

O/T: Share the judge’s remarks on sentencing Andrew Miller/Amy George with your MSPs and MPs.

I have now sent the judge’s remarks to two of my MSPs who supported the GRR Bill. I will carry on to the non-SNP ones. I had corresponded with them all during the passage of the Bill pointing out the obvious dangers of self-identification.

It is important that our MSPs see the consequences of their reckless [to put it mildly] decisions. May I suggest that the many btl commenters spend some of their time on sending the judge’s remarks to all their MSPs? Every party at Holyrood gave some support to the GRR Bill so every MSP [apart from the few who voted against] of whatever party can be included.

The link was given by BigJay on the previous thread on 18th October at 3.55 p.m.. [I have omitted the https:// element as I seem to remember we are advised not to include it.] It is link to judiciary.scot

ASA

As a cog in the machine, institutionalised and working on only a ‘need to know’ basis
you maybe genuinely don’t understand how the world works.

Indeed, I was thinking of you aiding NATO in Yugoslavia and putting Saddam in his place on behalf of the financial community.

Sunday is the celebration of 100 years of Turkish independence. Just think how good that must feel.
It’s about time Scotland got its finger out!

@ Sven: Thanks – taken as written! I do hope that the MSPs get the facts presented to them multiple times and force them to think again on GRR.

Bla bla bla Colonialism! bla bla bla MI5! bla bla bla Sovereignty! bla bla bla Queen Anne! bla bla bla 1707! bla bla bla Oppressed People! bla bla bla Nation! bla bla bla Big Words! bla bla bla I’m Clever! bla bla bla bla bla Quote from Ancient Document! bla bla bla…

Anniversary of the Light Peacekeepers Brigade riding into The Valley of death in 1854 today.

Lord Naw Naw of the Naw Baws is so at a loss to say what makes him Scottish he has to quote from an Irish Government document.

Mornin’ Sarah

I wouldn’t waste my time with the GRRB Scotland bill.

The big problem is the GRA 2004.

The GRRB is just the GRA 2004 with some slight modifications.

Sven says:

Which, when you look at the pretty universal support for the GRR Bill in Holyrood, does seem fairly accurate. (Yes, I appreciate that the Conservatives voted against the unamended Bill for their own reasons).

Their reasons were to fool people into thinking they didn’t support sex changes & men identifying as women.

The GRA 2004 encourages men to dress up as women.

The GRRB isn’t law but still Andrew Miller has been masquerading as a woman for years.

The only way to stop any of this is

1. Absolutely no sex changes
2. ‘Woman Face’ to be made a hate crime.

Or at least to be made as unacceptable as ‘Black Face’
Surely it wouldn’t be that difficult to make ‘Woman Face’ and
‘Black Face’ a hate crime.

I definitely hate it and the fact that the ‘trans butcher’ was able to kidnap and sexually abuse a child because of his ‘woman face’ makes me hate it even more.

@ Ruby: please don’t put people off from sending the judge’s remarks on Andrew Miller to the MSPs. We must use every opportunity to push the facts on gender into the heads of the MSPs.

Your point about the GRA is separate though obviously connected.

I hope you will put some of your energy into sending the Miller judgment to the MSPs.

Sorry Sarah I’ve given up on the MSPs they are a lost cause.

It doesn’t seem I have much influence on anyone here so I wouldn’t worry.

Stu, are you and your family keeping well,?
I hope your silence is to do with taking a break or to check out nature for a bit of piece and wildlife for photography.

Anyone heard if Stu and his family are alright?