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Posted on August 27, 2014 by

Here’s “Better Together” chief Blair McDougall in today’s Herald:

“Launching the [#PatronisingBTLady] video yesterday, Better Together campaign director Blair McDougall said: ‘The key factor for people isn’t the love of our country – as both Yes and No voters love Scotland. The key factor is the love of our families.’

Let’s just read that through again. He’s saying that his campaign can’t use “love of our country” as a campaign weapon because people on both sides love their country. So instead he’s going to use “love of our families” as a distinguishing characteristic.

The only possible conclusion that can be drawn from those statements is that Yes supporters don’t love their families. It’s a bold gambit, we’ll give him that.

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desimond

Thats just WORKING Families i assume?

Joseph

Desperation causes mistakes, clearly hes had too many whiskys.

heedtracker

Actuallly old Ten Bellies up there may have a point, I could cheerfully throttle mine sometimes:D
Also, its mutual.

Seasick Dave

And as long as the families have no foreign members.

Marco McGinty

He has provided some of BT’s most imbecilic statements, but he appears to be trying to outdo himself. Well done, Blair, another few votes for Yes!

Marcia

In contrast to the rather negative BT video. Yes Scotland is far too positive for the No camp. They thrive on misery. 🙂

link to youtube.com

UncleBob

Not just Working families, no, they must be HARD Working Families according to politicians.

PeeGee

Does he not know that you can buy shirts with collars over 20 inches?

callum

“As you walk out of the voting booth, you are saying with your vote that you do not one of two countries to exist in their current form. Voting no says that you do not wish Scotland to be a country. Voting yes means that the UK will cease to exist in its current form.

How can you vote no and love your country when you are voting for it not to exist?”

Quote from Bruce Fummey, Scotlands premier afro-celt comedian.

Seonaidh Ceanneidigh

I see Blair describes himself as a “Keir Hardie buff” on his Twitter account. He must have a sense of humour.

James Sneddon

Accusing half a country of not loving their families is a bold move indeed from the fat, drunken, sexist bastard.

Seasick Dave

We love our families so much we are going to subject them to the worst austerity measures in history.

Paula Rose

He means families that have no-one who is –

pre-school, at school, in further education, unemployed, disabled, homeless, on low pay, looking for a future, elderly, ill, wants an independent life and likes being responsible, and definitely no foreigners.

Juteman

His name will go down in infamy, along with many others.
A London resident that took the UK gold to come back north to try and sell his country. Burns said it better, so i won’t attempt any fancy words.
A truly repulsive and evil person. I wonder how he sleeps at night.

desimond

There was a great Tweet the other night

I look forward to my great grand-kids looking up our Family Tree and beside my name it simply says:
HISTORY MAKER

Theres your family thought right there!

Marcia

I forgot to say the video link in my post above is tonight’s Referendum Broadcast on BBC and ITV.

Jim Bo

It’s love of my family that first switched me to Yes well over a year ago. It boils my blood when the ConDem / Labour drones speak of families. It’s their draconian immigration rules that have kept my family seperated for over 1.5 years now, thus forcing me to move away from my native Scotland.
They should be ashamed!

Nana Smith

@Marcia

I’m all emotional after seeing the ad.

john ferguson

When is a country worth fighting for and when is one not. What makes a country worth fighting for and one not? Is Scotland worth fighting for? or no.

Andy Nimmo

Someone should rewrite the old Peter Paul and Mary song

‘Where will all the con men go
To the House of Lords every one
When will they ever learn’

Maybe Wings could run a competition for the best new lyrics
50 copies of the Wee Blue Book to the winner

Mike

It’s funny, ever since I started supporting Yes I’ve found myself hating my family. I can’t go a day without shouting abuse at my mum and telling my auntie how much I loath her…. I used to be such a nice person before!

Quentin Quale

Monday saw Darling destroying the cornerstone of the BT campaign, yesterday witnessed Patronising BT going viral, now this. You’re running some campaign, big man.

Grouse Beater

The No campaign hs reached the level of ‘bottomless pit.’

David McCormack

A face only a mother could love.

Ken

Hmm, I was wandering along Princes Street, Edinburgh, yesterday and saw a bloke handing out No leaflets. As I wandered past I head him say: “Vote No to dividing families.”

Now, his leaflets were B&W photocopies of pure text, which suggests that this line of loving families and not wanting them divided is something that BT pulled out of its bum the night before.

Getting nervous, aren’t they?

Bugger [the Panda]

It is neuro linguistic programming gibberish.

It means SFA but is designed to trigger emotions and positivity. Family love and for are all there but in the wrong order. Nobody can object to these words.

Just like the Sky slogan

Believe in better.

Better what? Anything you want and aspire to, only this times you have to buy the Sky channels to be fulfilled.

Paula Rose

Perhaps he means that even though No voters want to ruin their families’ future they still love them?

Robert Peffers

@Joseph says: 27 August, 2014 at 6:06 pm:

“Desperation causes mistakes, clearly hes had too many whiskys.”

Now I’m certainly biased but I’d say it is more like he has too few braincells. No! Wait! That cannot be true for have we not all got, more or less, the same number of brain cells? So perhaps far too many whiskys in the past have destroyed some or he’s just not using the brain cells he was originally born with.

joe kane

U-KOK tough love for hard-working families –
Although the UK is the seventh richest country in the world, it is also deeply unequal, and millions of families across the UK are living below the breadline.
Below the Breadline: The relentless rise of food poverty in Britain
Oxfam June 2014

Kenny Campbell

That U Kok thing is like something from the Daily Mash. The campaign looks like a joke from top to bottom

Grouse Beater

McCormack: A face only a mother could love.

Wonderful! The old ones are the best.

The South City Mob grousebeater.wordpress

joe kane

When you read headlines like these just remember Scottish Labour are to the right of the Tories on welfare spending and related policies such as welfare for immigrants (so much for the haters of Panama and their international socialism) –
Tories Finally Admit that their Welfare Reforms are linked to the rise of Foodbank use
A Working Class Man

Findlay Farquaharson

In quiet moments when lying on his reinforced bed in the middle of the night he must surely know his behaviour has made him the most hated man in scotland. Despicable pathalogical liar.

Bugger [the Panda]

Further to my above, what he is saying is more or less what the old snake oil salesmen use

Mention diphtheria, impotence, the clap and every other disease you can think of and then produce the tried and medically approved elixir, being careful not to say it will cure anything, just associate with curing and diseases.

Murray McCallum

I hope Blair McDougall doesn’t drink before he sets off with his mechanical excavator – digging holes to put his campaign in.

They are actually paying people to come up with these phrases.

[…] « No lights in the window […]

Robert Peffers

Grouse Beater says: 27 August, 2014 at 6:26 pm:

“The No campaign hs reached the level of ‘bottomless pit.’”

Did you perhaps mean, “A pitiless bottom”, Grouse Beater?

Elizabeth

Just saw Theresa May on channel4 news wearing a ‘No Thanks’ badge

galamcennalath

Marcia says:
In contrast to the rather negative BT video. Yes Scotland is far too positive for the No camp. They thrive on misery.
… and it is a huge contrast. Re the family comment above versus the Yes ad.

The ad was great!

Holding the line and staying positive has been the hallmark of YesScotland during this campaign. There are so many times when I feel Yes should get its hand dirty and go negative. But then I see relentless positivity in action and feel good, feel proud.

Take the Salmond/Darling debate. A audience member asked about the rifts in society this referendum has cause. Darling answered first and said the campaign had degenerated recently. Salmond said he disagreed and felt it was lively but good natured with meetings across the country. A rosy view perhaps, but shiningly positive in the face of dreadful negativity!

silver19

Unedited video of that great protestor at the (F)ailed (U)seless (C)hancellors (U)nited (S)peeches) in Dundee today.

Thanks BBC:- link to bbc.co.uk

HandandShrimp

Presumably he is suggesting that Yes supporters don’t love their families. As I recall it was Better Together that suggested our children were Hitler Youth.

I think they are either confused and desperate or a complete shower of bastards.

Jury is out.

Dunphail

I think we should lay off Blair he’s obviously had too much on his plate

Grouse Beater

A pitiless bottom”

A character in ‘A Midsummer Night’s Dream’?

Roll_On_2014

’Patronising’ Better Together ad campaign takes internet roasting

I note that there has been a bit of a backlash across the social media about this vid.

Some nice pictures in the piece

OT

Breaking news:

The Duke of Wellington comes out for Indy.
.

horacesaysyes

I haven’t click on the link yet, but I’m sure the journalist questioned him on this claim that us Yes voters don’t love our families.

The did, didn’t they?

😉

Blair paterson

Pee gee are those shirt collars would need to be brass proof Vote yes

John Young

Chris Law and his wonderful ‘Spirit of Independence’ were in a very sunny Kirkcudbright today and were made very welcome by many folk in a part of Scotland where Yes could be perceived to be a hard sell. The local folk and many visitors who saw (talked with) him will go home and start many positive conversations. Highlights of this visit
1) Father George Thomson (age 87) who became MP for the SNP in 1974, 40 yrs ago this year, against the Tory norm at that time, meeting and being interviewed by Chris.
2) Richard Lockhead MSP, cabinet member for Rural Affairs addressing the crowd before going to meet local fishermen who have had a really hard winter, many struggled through on Family Benefit.
3) When he came back with Aileen Mcleod MSP she said lots of things to follow up but they will all be voting Yes even the shoutey one I thought might be a No.
4) Meeting a couple from Eskdalemuir who had travelled for over 2 hours to be at this event.
5) Meeting a 15yr old from Kirkcudbright Academy who misses the vote by 6 months who has started a facebook page KbtAcademy4Yes give him a like please.
6) Seeing two of our Grandchildren being taken to their primary on the Spirit, some school run eh.

If you wish to see some photos of this great day please go to YesKirkcudbright on facebook
link to facebook.com

Not my site by the way but you Wingers may see some weans you recognise.

Grouse Beater

Politicians, torturers, and hangmen do their best when the human spirit is at its lowest ebb.

There is no way, there never was a way, the Yes campaign would fall into dispondency and despair.

Yes is perpetually driven by expectation and hope.

Nana Smith
Juteman

@Elizabeth.
“Just saw Theresa May on channel4 news wearing a ‘No Thanks’ badge”

Superb! The more the merrier!

donald anderson

Fat basturt gets his photie took.

Minty

My friends are a hard working couple. Do good work for charity, law abiding, tax paying, model citizens. Except my friend’s wife is originally from a non EU country. She’s been here since she graduated over 15 years ago, working and paying tax. So the UKBA have refused her a visa renewal and want to kick her out. MSP can’t help as its a devolved issue.

Luckily, all their family in Scotland have decided to vote yes. So families do indeed matter.

Drew Peacock

I found the next part from McDougall interesting too…

“The words spoken in the film are taken verbatim from conversations on doorsteps with undecided women voters and from the opinion of women in dozens of focus groups around the country.”

So not only are they patronising the women of Scotland.
He is actually blaming them for this pish too.

Harry McAye

I loved that broadcast. Now this is as completely off topic as it can be but the older actor in it is Andrew Dallmeyer, a well known Scottish actor and writer. I remember a lovely film he was in, made just for the BBC, in 1988 called Shadow On The Earth. It was set I think in a small East Lothian village and featured two young boys who believed their albino neighbour(Dallmeyer) was actually an alien. I would love to see it again but as far as I know it’s never been repeated or released on video or dvd. Hoping someone reading this may be in the know, it was a really wonderful film but I can remember very little about it.

heedtracker

Just showing off my postal vote at work the now and telling everyone to put your X in the YES box and no voter complained to the management by phone that I am using it to make people vote YES. My boss is YES so fcuk knows what they expect to happen.

Lanarkist

Marcia, thanks for that preview of the Referendum Broadcast, it fair lifted me up! Spent this morning help kit out the new Yes NEFife wagon, it’s called i-Van! Starts touring round NEFife from 28th August till 18th September. Keep an eye out for it!
Also received some copies of WBB to pass out, Stu, great job! Just getting delivery of them lifts everyone’s spirit!
We can seriously pull this one off!
Loved Paw Broon getting an ear full from Dundee Labour Member today, things are moving rapidly now. Tories, now Labour unwelcome amongst the population. They have been found wanting!

Dcanmore

Now that their plan A, B, C and D (economy, oil, borders and currency) are all deid in the water, UKOK/NO Thanks will be going after families. This is now personal, they will try to reach out to every voter in one mass campaign, last throw of the dice from Tuba.

Looks like the English papers are asking anyone with a Scottish connection for their views on the referendum (and printing the desired reaction of course). I had to laugh at tonight’s London Evening Standard when they asked touring David Byrne (ex Talking Heads born in Dumbarton, left aged 2), he said he wished Scotland to stay in the UK as he thought full independence was a step too much for Scotland to handle. He has dual citizenship. It was a piece generally about his tour, about 250 words long and that was the only mention of the referendum. Naturally the paper went with a front page exclusive ‘David Byrne rocks independence debate’ is the punchy headline. Once again hyperbole methinks, just like David Bowie’s ‘huge, massive’ intervention but not really.

Nana Smith

@Harry McAye

Type it into google and you get a link to imbd.com

May help you get a dvd or download.

Luigi

Blair McDougall is a Class A Hole.

SquareHaggis

Interesting take on the NAW 130

link to derekbateman.co.uk

Quentin Quale

Of course Byrne would back No – he even wrote a song for them. The Road to Nowhere.

boris2

An Independent Scotland would rate a Higher Human Development Index (HDI) than the rest of rUK

The Human Development Index is a composite statistic of life expectancy, education, and income indices used to rank countries into four tiers of human development. A newly independent Scotland would have a better Human Development Index (HDI) than the rest of the UK, even without oil, a leading international finance company has said. A report by Credit Suisse has concluded that on key areas of life expectancy, education, and income a newly independent Scotland would be ranked higher than the rest of the United Kingdom. According to the report’s authors, an independent Scotland would be ranked four places higher than the rUK. The report said:

1. “Scotland would rank 23rd if we include a geographical allocation to Scotland’s GNI [Gross National Income] related to the North Sea oil output, versus the current 27th place for the UK and the hypothetical 30th for rUK. Note that even excluding any allocation of oil output, Scotland would still rank ahead of the UK, but just so.”

2. The Credit Suisse report ‘The Success of Small Countries,’ compared the success of small countries with that of larger nations. It said: “Small countries are more homogeneous and homogeneity plays an important role in determining the success of a country. Cultural, ethnic, religious and linguistic diversity creates a ceiling to the potential size of a country. Homogeneous countries tend to have higher HDI scores. “We also found that small countries are more open to international trade or have embraced globalization to a higher extent than larger countries.” Despite warning that “small countries are more open to international trade or have embraced globalization to a higher extent than larger countries”, the report also said that “small countries are successful and in general better off than bigger countries.”

3. The report also cast doubt on claims that public services in larger countries benefit from ‘pooling resources’ and the ‘economies of scale’.
The authors said: “Our research shows that large countries tend to have higher tax rates for individuals (by 5%). So the cost of funding public services for the individual is higher in larger countries than in small countries.”

4. Speaking on BBC Good Morning Scotland, Michael O’Sullivan from the Credit Suisse Research Institute also explained small countries are one of the “leading geo-political trends of the last fifty years.”

The report and comments were welcomed by SNP Treasury spokesperson Stewart Hosie MP who said the findings highlighted Scotland’s potential to flourish under independence. Commenting, Mr Hosie said: “These comments are very welcome. Using academic data, the report sets out Scotland’s potential and how our development rating would outperform the UK- even without oil- following a Yes vote. “The report also found that smaller countries are better able to ‘effectively’ and ‘cheaply’ deliver public services, and most of the small countries mentioned do not have nearly as many of the resources we have here in Scotland. “This highlights once again that Scotland is perfectly positioned to flourish as an independent nation. We would be able to concentrate on our talents, grow our economy and build a better and fairer society following a Yes vote.”

Brian Mchugh
mr thms

some great gags in this link…

link to buzzfeed.com

“Patronising Better Together Lady” Is The New Meme For Scottish Nationalists

A TV broadcast playing on women’s fears of an independent Scotland has been hijacked.”

🙂 🙂 🙂

The Rough Bounds

@John Young. 7.18.

It’s not Lockhead John, it’s LOCHhead. We mustn’t start using BBC pronunciation.

Andy-B

Talking of bold gambits I wonder if the CBI will break the law tomorrow night at David Cameron’s, fancy dinner party, with regards to “Campaign donations.”

Its said to many big wigs and business men have been invited.

John Young

The Rough Bounds oops sorry and here’s me from the Highlands as well, any edit function available

Elizabeth

O/t I saw this on Facebook – from the great Iain Hamilton QC

“Do you realise just how foolish the UK looks?
The people of Scotland aren’t fighting for a political cause — they’re fighting for national existence, and against Britain’s ruling elite”

“Those who watched two politicians arguing on telly about my country’s future will have got it all wrong. They made it look like a party-political brawl. It’s not.
We Scots who fight for Yes are fighting for our national existence. It has little to do with politics. Hardly any of us belong to the Scottish National Party. From the nooks and glens of my country has emerged a storm corps whose members have never taken part in politics. They are not the SNP. They are the people of Scotland.

You will find us fighting on the web in numbers unimaginable to the pollsters. Canvassers are knocking at the doors in the housing schemes. The rustle in the heather which was the SNP has become the soaring anthem of a people awakening from a long sleep. When we awake we will walk away from you.

You may wonder why. I will tell you: we are repeatedly ruled by governments we do not elect. We currently have more pandas than Tory MPs. Ordinary English people will be on our side. It’s the toffs who make the UK look so silly.

Do you realise just how foolish the UK looks? You strut like a world power and have a navy with a huge aircraft carrier and no planes to land on it. We laugh at you with the rest of the world, but at the same time we remember that a quarter of our population lives in poverty; and all you can promise us if we vote for you is more poverty for this rich country of Scotland.

Your leaders are not even good at government. In my lifetime you have bankrupted the UK three times and had to beg for help. You didn’t beg from us. You just took.

Now these days are over. The pound has started to slide even at the threat of Scotland leaving.

But although we are leaving you we will remain your friends. Most of England is in the same state as us Scots. We are the lucky ones. We have a parachute. Watch this space.”

Ian Hamilton QC is a lawyer and prominent Scottish nationalist

The Rough Bounds

@John Young. (Iain Og)

No way to edit that I can see, but perhaps I’m wrong.

I’ve made a few gaffes too.

Taranaich

Hello folks, if I can hijack the thread for a second: does anyone know anything about the future of DWP jobs in the event of a Yes vote? I have the White Paper of course, but is there anything more than that, particularly from the UK government?

Harry McAye

Nana, thanks I was on that page but didn’t see anything that would suggest it was attainable.

schrodinger's cat

saw a brilliant quote on social media
“vote Yes……I’m not saying it will be easy…….I’m saying it will be worth it”

Oui Things

I was talking to my 2 year old daughter about what she wanted to be when she grows up.

Turns out she wants to be like Eilidh Child and be an athlete. I’m sure that’ll change a million times in the next two years.

I’m not disappointed that she didn’t want to follow her dad into a series of shitty jobs, whilst her granddad gave up on the lack of opportunities and emigrate to Australia.

It’s because of my love for my daughter that i’m praying for a Yes vote. So she doesn’t have to leave Scotland for a decent future.

On that note Blair MacDougal can go and fuck himself.

muttley79

@Elizabeth

Just saw Theresa May on channel4 news wearing a ‘No Thanks’ badge.

We may as well give up now then… 😀 😀

schrodinger's cat

watched bbc referendum program about psi ops……interestingly, it would appear that bt is following the quebec referendum tactics very closely. in the last few days they flew in loads of canadians in a public love bomb of quebec
i wouldnt put it past bt to do the same thing

however, someone else is already planning a similar love fest, the orange order. the bt crowd and the bbc are distancing themselves from this, they only want cuddly images of bairns with union jacks. we should ensure that everyone in yes with an iphone, and know how to up load to youtube is in edinburgh that day, not to antagonise, just to ensure that these images are available to everyone on social media. we cannot allow the airwaves of msm to be showing only cute teddy bears in union jack t shirts in front of the castle

link to youtube.com

save this link and make sure this video is trending on twitter and facebook in the same week

Ken500

Love everyone’s family

No food banks. Vote YES

bookie from hell

BT–said NO THANKS to that infamous mori poll

walofs

Marcia

Yes declarations still flooding in. If you hand out these cards you may want to advise anyone who has moved within the last year to put their old address on to enable us to amend our records and they should apply for a postal vote if they need it and get it back to the local Electoral Registration Office by 3rd September at 5pm. They can download the form from the local council ERO website.

p.s ask them to write neatly so we old folk processing the cards don’t have to struggle trying to decipher some of the handwriting. 🙂

liz

@schrodinger’s cat- fortunately I think Scots don’t fall for all ‘please stay we love you’, we can smell BS at 100 paces.

Plus there have been too many threats to go back now.

boris2

Interest bill on UK’s £1.27 trillion debt to hit £1bn a week

The Uk taxpayer is forking out £1billion every week !!!! yes £1billion a week!!! just to pay off interest on the largest debt of any country in the world, (£1.3 trillion and rising). I hope Scotland goes for plan B but tying the currency to the $US

link to telegraph.co.uk

Kenny Campbell

“Just saw Theresa May on channel4 news wearing a ‘No Thanks’ badge”

I suspect Mrs May would do more damage to YES campaign by wearing a YES badge rather than a NOThanks one. Anyway I thought it was just for the Scots…Did she just but a Mews in Edinburgh ? Do we get a debate from Cameron now ?

laukat

o/t – is the #PatronisingBTLady the ‘Subway moment’ of the independence campaign?

James Caithness

@schrodinger’s cat

I remember that programme when it first came out. Billy Connolly is in it.

September 13th in Edinburgh the Orange Order followers or better to say hangers on, can’t help themselves from getting drunk and causing trouble with fighting generally among themselves.

Croompenstein

Holy Jesus I had to go out for a walk earlier to clear my head after watching Disreporting Scotland. They were reporting on homeless folk registering to vote and they spoke to a woman called Kirsty who says we can’t afford it without England! I despair, they have brainwashed the disenfranchised FFS.

Yeh Kirsty we can’t afford to have the biggest concentration of nuclear bombs right next to our densest population centre.

And we can’t afford to have welfare policies designed for the South-East of England to be foisted upon Scotland like the bedroom tax.

And we can’t afford to have retirement age based on the South-East as our life expectancy isn’t as high so why should we have to work longer to get less back.

And we really can’t afford to keep subsidising Infrastructure projects in the South of England while our own infrastructure is neglected

starts at 14:00 watch and weep

link to bbc.co.uk

galamcennalath

Their one liners are just nonsense. Patter, like wahter. Families, next thing they’ll be talking about ‘family of nations’.

Better Together! When, who, how? Pure fiction.

UKOK! What do they consider is OK about the UK? Not much that I can see.

No Thanks! I agree on this one. UK, No Thanks, they can have it.

Nana Smith

Tweet by Blair Mcdougal 17mins ago. I managed to snip the image of the tweet but I can’t post the it here so I’ve copied the text.

bliarmcdougall ?@bliarmcdougall · 17 mins
Personally I wouldnt allow women into bettertogether meeting but who else is going to bake cakes n make coffee. #PatronisingBTLady

PeeGee

The former Prime Mentalist actually mentions the 130 business leaders in his introductory speech before attacking the SNP as only benefiting business in an Independent Scotland. And still we have the paid Scotland destroyers ranting about how wonderful he was so vote No.

In more enlightened countries he’d have been sectioned decades ago to protect the innocent.

BB

He never seems to be very happy, that fella.

schrodinger's cat

@ liz
we dont need to do anything other than insure these images of 12000 oo men are seen. bbc wont show them
you only speak for you and I. many folk are duped by the bbc propaganda. the polls show we are losing. social media is all we have. lets make use of it.

Devereux

O/T but bit of an emergency. Anyone on Wings got a link for that great photograph of Nicola Sturgeon walking through the church to a huge crowd……printed front page of a newspaper three weeks or so ago? Much appreciated – love and hugs from a fragile member of the gentle sex, with a brain, and a family……..etc etc etc……

boris2

Welfare to Work – Use of External Contractors

In order to deliver our commissioning future welfare to work policy objectives as efficiently and effectively as possible we need to broaden our thinking and look to develop new ways of commissioning. Large scale prime contracting enables us to meet the challenge of delivering efficient services at large scale and still has a place within the DWP commissioning landscape.

However, to get full value from our specialist providers and realise the potential of social investment, we recognise the need to commission using a range of different approaches, in particular when delivering support to those furthest from the labour market. We will embrace the range of approaches available to us including the continued testing of innovative approaches, using the findings to inform future commissioning.

Seems to me we are addressing the demise of the Job Centres. I expect amy thousands of civil service jobs will be shed throughout the UK and Scotland. The, “new Way” will be commissioning of private companies to taking over the task of assessing, training and managing the unemployed back to work. The bulk of the work will be completed on-line with little face to face contact, perhaps other than an initial interview. Payment and suspension of benefits will be the responsibility of the contractor, (within rules provided by the DWP). Interesting time ahead. Bit of a rollercoaster this one. I am just glad I’m well out of it. But I do worry about the fate of the unemployed. These new providers are not in it to do good. They will make a profit off the backs of the unemployed. I expect if it will be a case of 3 strikes and out.

link to gov.uk

Disco Dave

If #patronisingbtlady is based on real life mothers I sense a few paternity tests in the offing. Weren’t Focus Groups soooo late 90’s early naughties? As long as Blair is happy we can all rejoice…

schrodinger's cat

September 13th in Edinburgh the Orange Order followers or better to say hangers on, can’t help themselves from getting drunk and causing trouble with fighting generally among themselves

correct
lets make sure the people of scotland see it happen, otherwise all they will see is emergency kittens in union jack t shirts in front of edinburgh castle
bt dont want the oo to parade, we should make sure that everyone sees them.
is it negative to show the opposition…..er campaigning?
whether lamont likes it or not, the bnp and the OO are part of the BT campaign. why should we ignore them because lamont, brown and darling say so?

Edulis

I do apologise to the world at large, but Blair McD is one ugly guy in every way. Ugh!

I hope he emigrates after the ‘Yes’ vote and I never clap eyes on him again.

CamrtronB Brodie

The gadgee is a total radge. Does he not realise how pompous he looks in that photo?

It appears we cold add limited self awareness to his determination to highlight his bad judgment. Again.

I’m not sure if his English based Tory backers are going to appreciate that. If I was his employer I’d have probably drafted a vacancy add by now.

Now to enjoy the rest of the comments. 🙂

crazycat

@ Harry McAye

I remember that film! I couldn’t have told you what it was called, though. I thought it was heart-breaking (though very well-done) – I won’t say why because that would be a spoiler.

I think there was a series of short Scottish films, although I can’t recollect anything at all about any of the other films in the set. I can’t work out where I saw it though; if it was really 1988, I didn’t have a TV then (or now), my fleeting mental images are in colour and the TV I did have between 1990 and 2003 was black and white, so it must have been on someone else’s. I also thought it was West rather than East Lothian, but I could very easily be totally wrong!

Nana Smith

@Devereux

I’m sure its on the snp twitter account but you will have to scroll down to find it.

Graeme Doig

Croompenstein

I work with homeless folk. 8 have registered in last 3 weeks. They all came and asked and all but one voting Yes. Small sample i know but think it shows the way people are motivated for this one. Lots of folk who have never voted before seeing a chance to change the way we are governed.

Caroline Corfield

Nana Smith:

is that the correct spelling of his twitter ‘handle’ ? because it might be a spoof account – bliar is a bit of a giveaway… like the spoof alistair darling account which caught a lot of people out so close the the edge were the comments ( I think twitter made them do something abut the name eventually)

Still anything is quite obviously possible as patronisingBTlady proves

Nana Smith

@Caroline Corfield

Actually the spelling is a bit dodgy.
Mind you he could have made it seem so, wouldn’t put it past any of the BT lot.

Luigi

Are homeless folk able to vote? I thought that proof of residence (address) in Scotland was required.

macart763m

OFFS he’s got to be kidding?

This man is seriously implying that by voting YES we don’t love our families?

There’s no words I’d be allowed to use on here to answer that.

DaveDee

Devereux,

is this the photo you want ?

link to facebook.com

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DaveDee

Devereux

just the photo

comment image

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gerry parker

Off topic.

I’ve just posted a request for polling and counting agents for North Lanarkshire in off topic.

link to wingsoverscotland.com

busy day and a lot to catch up on.

Milady de Winter

@Elizabeth..thank you for posting that speech from Ian Hamilton…inspirational!

Robert Louis

laukat,

is the #PatronisingBTLady the ‘Subway moment’ of the independence campaign?

Probably not, but it does come close. What it does represent, I think, is the growing desperation within better together, and the British Establishment. Polling day is drawing near, and since the campaign began, the NO side have been losing support.

Despite having the BBC in full flowing anti independence propaganda mode with blatant bias that would shock the cold war inhabitants of the Kremlin, the entire weight of the UK press (aside from one sunday paper), three London run political parties, the entire UK civil service, and the UK Government working flat out for them, the anti independence campaign is losing its lead day by day. And they know it.

Their latest wheeze is those two ‘bestest friends’, Darling and Brown, who until now both found it easier to share a platform with Tories or UKIP, than with each other, doing their new double act. All the while pretending that their destruction of the UK economy didn’t really happen – and if it did, it really wasn’t their fault, they were just the PM and chancellor. Dumb and dumber.

Compare and contrast the patronising negativity of the frankly insulting better together no thanks film, with the uplifting positivity of the YES campaign film seen on TV tonight.

Better together are feart. The electoral demise of them and their lying ‘Scottish’ unionist cabal is just around the corner. It cannot come soon enough.

handclapping

O/T Just to make absolutely clear:

You have to apply for registration as a voter by midnight on Tuesday 2 September.

If you are a registered voter, you must apply for a postal vote, if you want one, by 5pm on Wednesday 3 September.

If you have applied for a postal vote from mid August onwards you probably won’t receive your postal vote pack till somewhere about Monday 8th when these later applications up to the deadline on the 3rd have been processed and printed.

Devereux

@DaveDee Thank you so much – sending it out with copies of the WBB to friends on the fence…..

fred blogger

yet another visionary vid clip.
link to youtube.com
the passion, creativity, and belief, is already there, it’s ours.

Nana Smith

Radical independence message.

David Cameron will be addressing the CBI dinner at the Hilton Hotel near Charing Cross, Glasgow tomorrow evening, with a champagne reception from 7.15pm. We will be there to welcome him from 6.30pm with our massive ‘Sack the Tories’ banner. Please join us and spread the word.

DaveDee

Devereux,

you’re very welcome, glad to be able to help you out.

farrochie

Read about Jim Murphy’s visit to Stonehaven today. As told by Ray McRobbie.

link to raymcrobbie.com

Graeme Doig

Luigi

The definition of ‘homelessness’ does not just cover those sleeping rough. Those in temporary accommodation are also considered homeless and can register at this temporary address.
Those who are sleeping rough and/or couch surfing still have the right to register at an address they may or may not spend the most time at and vote at the local polling station.

heedtracker

link to theguardian.com Hypocrite Graun defending or protecting Tory boy No.1 now. He probably doesn’t Libby Carrell’s protection poor baby.

“But behind this is a more complex picture and one which presents Salmond and Yes Scotland with its own challenges: by focusing so much fire on Cameron and the Tories in a bid to attract centre-left votes, they risk creating divisions amongst Scottish voters. By implication, Scots who admire or back the prime minister and his party are enemies too.”

Whatever next? The Torygraph political ed caught in bed Stair heid.

James Caithness

This gem was on the Yes Carnoustie page. It’s brilliant.

link to facebook.com

handclapping

@Luigi
Re the homeless.
It really depends on how peripatetic you are.
If you could get the local Sally Ann commander to vouch that you sleep in a doorstep at the top of the High St depending on which way the wind is blowing and you are a regular at their soup kitchen you’d be registered after they’d checked which Polling District contained “the top of the High St”.

You would be one of the few people that need to take some proof of identity to the polling station on the day as you would one of the unidentified voters, whose proper description I cannot remember, like the UK Secretary of State for NI, who “appear” on the register with neither name or address shown.

bunter

Iain MacWhirter no happy with YES as he suggests they have let the momentum gained after the debate slip, and BT have capitalised with Archie McPherson and a business letter.

schrodinger's cat

@James Caithness
wow
just wow
tx for this, shared on facebook

Brian Mchugh

Bunter… NOBTUKOKTHANKSBORDERSSOMETHINGDEPRESSINGCAMPAIGN, know from their own research and secret polling that YES is soaring ahead… hence the BBC and medias’ obvious panic.

Everyone keep going… cos this is going to be a landslide. 🙂

davidhk

Oh look, a donut ……

Wp

The lights are on but nobody is home.

CameronB Brodie

Second thoughts. Not pompous, cold and emotionless.

Croompenstein

@fred blogger – that is awesome even better than the official yes ad but then the grassroots is way better than the official yes campaign.

@James Caithness – shared that as well, there must be a lot of folk like Iain Lawson who have seen first hand how Westminster regards Scotland not least the ScotMP troughers

Nana Smith

Yes campaign should be highlighting the fact Cameron is coming to Scotland for a big lavish dinner with the cbi while people are having to go to foodbanks.

Also why not debate with the FM while he’s here instead of sucking up to big business and stuffing his face.

YESGUY

crazy Cat and harry

was it “just another Saturday with The Big Yin and wee Frankie ( darlin , i#m feeling kinda lonesome”)

Stu

He was asked what he mean by it, this was his reply:

“that undecided voters are making up their minds on what is best for their families. Fairly clear I would have thought.”

Am I being really thick or is this not clear in the slightest?

cynicalHighlander

I hope DC pays homage.

link to twitter.com

thedogphilosopher

Is it true that, at home, Blair McDougall answers to the name ‘Paul’?

Brian Mchugh

The lass on BBC2 just pulled an uncomfortable shocked studio silence there when she said;”You know, I find it quite incredible that David Cameron is willing to come up to Scotland to talk to the CBI, but not to debate with Alex Salmond.”

LOL

Nana Smith

Tomorrow’s front page Scotsman

link to twitter.com

muttley79

@Bunter

Iain MacWhirter no happy with YES as he suggests they have let the momentum gained after the debate slip, and BT have capitalised with Archie McPherson and a business letter.

Eh, how does he get that?… What were the Yes campaign supposed to do about these things; place Archie under house arrest, and prevent a letter appearing in the MSM? How bizarre…

Ian Brotherhood

Whooooof!

Stu

@Nana Smith – is anything the Scottish Sec does newsworthy? The biggest waste of taxpayers money ever. Especially the last 3 nonentities.

CameronB Brodie

I didn’t hear what the guy said to Brown. Was it a good heckle? 🙂

Patrician

@Nana Smith

That is a spoof account, it has been on twitter for ages.

Graeme Doig

muttley 79

Agreed

… meanwhile in the real world, miles away from a bunch of has beens spouting vacuous nonsense and lies, we are all doing the real follow up work.
Guy at my work was soft Yes, went to No, and now a badge wearing Yes mostly due to WBB which is currently doing it’s rounds throughout Scotland.

Martin

I’m delighted with agents Darling and McDougall. They’ve played it brilliantly and deserve every credit for the yes vote. There was a danger that women were leaning towards no, but McDougall’s sabotage here has saved the day. Utterly brilliant subterfuge

Mosstrooper

MacWhirter always has been bit of an odd bod regarding Scotland. When he came back from his London sojourn he complained that Scotland was ” appallingly white”??

Naw, me neither.

Chic McGregor

Right. So families are all that matter, unless we get independence, and then family members on the other side of the Border become ‘foreigners’.

My ‘foreign’ son in Finland and my ‘foreign’ daughter in New Zealand, both YES supporters, although unable to vote, might just disagree with that whole U-philosophy.

Papadox

IMO. The Scottish Secretary will not be welcome in the politics of a new Scotland. Alistair yer on yer own old son.

Jeannie

@Marcia

Heartily agree with your advice re making sure the writing on Yes declarations and cards is legible and contains proper postcode. I’ve just spent 3 days deciphering over 500 Yes declarations and my eyes and brain are totally nipping.

What would really help, guys, is if you are able, check what has been written to make sure you can read it yourself or even read it back to the person who has signed it to make sure the name and postcode is correct. Ask if the person is registered, also or has recently moved. Would be much appreciated at this end. Ta.

muttley79

@Martin

This is no time for complacency. If you think a Yes vote is in the bag, I want to know what you have been smoking? 😀

BuckieBraes

Between the vid featuring the Mumsnet reject; George Galloway in a silly hat; the stellar triumvirate of Brown, Darling and Macpherson; and Jim Murphy ranting around the country while perched precariously on two fizzy drinks crates, the No campaign is becoming so spectacularly bizarre I can’t wait for the next instalment.

Morag

Took six WBBs into work today and just left them in the tea room. Only three there now, one of which has clearly been read.

One of the missing ones was taken by a nailed-on Yesser who has been trying to convert his old Mum in Lochaber for ages, saying “this is going in the post tonight”. Don’t know who got the others.

Sent three out by post, to possibly fertile ground (well maybe not in one case but you have to try). Another ready to give to a neighbour tomorrow. As soon as she heard I had them, another neighbour came round for two to give to people she was about to meet.

I’ll be taking lots more out to outlying houses and farms at the weekend.

Robert Peffers

@Luigi says: 27 August, 2014 at 9:43 pm:

“Are homeless folk able to vote? I thought that proof of residence (address) in Scotland was required.

Don’t know if it applies to your usual party vs party elections but if a homeless person can identify a verifiable place, (for example the park bench where they regularly sleep), then yes they can vote in the referendum.
Far as I know they can name a organization place like a Salvation Army hall that feeds them regularly too.

CameronB Brodie

Cracking article by Derek Bateman. Is it surprising that the MSM hasn’t made more noise about HSBC appearing to have essentially taken over from the BCCI? Even Hong Kong Phooey could have told you that. 🙂

Funding to criminals and dictators

BCCI handled money for Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noriega, Hussain Mohammad Ershad and Samuel Doe.[9] Other account holders included Medellin Cartel and Abu Nidal.[10]

CIA funding to the Afghan Mujahideen and the Contras

The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency held numerous accounts at BCCI, according to William von Raab, former U.S. Commissioner of Customs. Oliver North also used and held multiple accounts at BCCI. These bank accounts were used for a variety of illegal covert operations, including transfers of money and weapons related to the Iran-Contra scandal, according to Time Magazine.[11] The CIA also worked with BCCI in arming and financing the Afghan mujahideen during the Afghan War against the Soviet Union, using BCCI to launder proceeds from trafficking heroin grown in the Pakistan-Afghanistan borderlands, boosting the flow of narcotics to European and U.S. markets.[12]

link to en.wikipedia.org

X_Sticks

“Look at those cold, dead, soulless eyes.”

But what a FAT wallet.

James Caithness

The Labour MP Douglas Alexander didn’t he run the 2010 Labour election campaign?
See what happened there.

He is running the BT campaign isn’t he?

You know when you think of the Labour numptiesin Scotland that led the SLAB. Henry McLeish had to resign under a cloud, Jack McConnel the same, Wendy Alexander the same, Gray a boring inept fool and now Joanne Lamont hahahahahahahahahaha.

Thepnr

Here’s what i expect to happen very soon. Big poll showing Yes slightly in the lead, there may have been a surge and the WBB will bring a surge.

But what I am certain about is that the pollsters themselves cannot take the chance of looking like total idiots when then results are announced.

Very soon then for the first poll showing Yes barely in front with all else catching up, bookies odds shorten dramatically until on the day you went get better than 6/4 for a Yes vote. More likely Even money. Quite simply they will not just give away free money.

James Caithness

@Thepnr – the pollsters looked stupid in 2010.

CameronB Brodie

test
No Better Together Thanks

CameronB Brodie

test
full of (non-harmonious) emotions

Thepnr

@James Caithness

Fair doos, I’m never followed polls in my life, until now.

If though these idiots fail to see what is happening in Scotland in front of their eyes without taking a poll then you should be out of business.

Ian Brotherhood

McDougall’s trying to look statesmanlike. Not easy, when Eddie Izzard’s done your make-up.

Thepnr

However I’m standing by what I first said, the polls have been so far out and wrong they must narrow or look MORE than ridiculous.

How’s that James?

CameronB Brodie

Looks like the filter doesn’t want to deal with any derivative of the single word describing non-harmonious (begins with a c). 🙂

????

twenty14

O/T – Huff post( won’t dare link )

” Independent Scotland would need its own Intelligence Agencies ” – have not even read it but I can only assume that France, Spain and Germany are grateful for having the UK as their co-ordinated Intelligence Agency. They must be trying to outwit BT and claim the coveted Stupidity Award

CameronB Brodie

c o n f l i c t e d

That got it. 😉

James Caithness

This is another wee gem I found, this time on the Yes Motherwell and Wishaw page. Don’t out YES family realise the wee gems they asre sitting on? Get them on here.

link to youtube.com

fred blogger

YES – English Bill’s Poem.
link to youtube.com
the social union is strong, unbreakable.
i have family in england, and ireland they will always be my family.
WM is NOT my family.

NODROG

STU – again Alistair Darling and approximately 200 Westminster MPs and Lords have been identified by the SNP website as receiving payments from Health service companies. Of course that had no effect on parliamentary decisions in the house of lords or Westminster? Aye right! David Cameron is here tomorrow to promote the union of the UK but not Europe because he and the people who will most likely succeed him are anti Europe. Add to that the 130 votes from No Business in Scotland and I ask you again do all 130 have a vote in the referendum? You could ask the dynamic duo of Alistair & Gordon the economic wonders of the world!!

CameronB Brodie

James Caithness
I posted a a few articles and HM Gov documents regarding nuclear industry economics and waste management, in Off Topic. Two or three pages in, so you’ll need to go back a few pages.

mr thms

# Martin says:

I’m delighted with agents Darling and McDougall. They’ve played it brilliantly and deserve every credit for the yes vote. There was a danger that women were leaning towards no, but McDougall’s sabotage here has saved the day. Utterly brilliant subterfuge

………………………………………………….

totally agree.. and the shocks will keep coming after the Yes vote

James Caithness

CameronB Brodie.

I posted the link not as a serious thing, but more to show how the English public think after being fed crap from the media down south.

thedogphilosopher

That photo really is quite eerie. And that poster, U KOK. What’s that all about?

PeeGee

Sad to announce that Lallands Peat Worrier is now officially a twonk.

He used, “pre-prepared”, in his article on Monday’s debate.

Since I can’t comment on his page directly I’ll put it here. Can anybody help the poor man?

CameronB Brodie

James Caithness
We do have our own homegrown idiots, of course. I hope I don’t shock folk, but I couldn’t care less whether I was Scottish, English or Polynesian. I am what I am through an accident of birth. However, I do expect to be treated ethically by the institutions that govern my life. So how can I accept Westminster rule?

Please vote Yes.

James Caithness

@NODROG You wouldn’t be once of FF would you?

P.R.D.

An Independent Scotland would rate a Higher Human Development Index (HDI) than the rest of rUK

homogeneity

noun: homogeneity

the quality or state of being homogeneous.
“the cultural homogeneity of our society”

synonyms: uniformity, homogeneousness, similarity, similar nature, similitude, likeness, alikeness, sameness, identicalness, consistency, resemblance, comparability, correspondence; rare analogousness
“the cultural homogeneity of Europe”

James Caithness

@CameronB Brodie, I am voting YES

CameronB Brodie

James Caithness
Do I need to go to bed? I wasn’t meaning to jump all over you. I’d figured you are one of the good guy and I was just using your comment to make another. Sorry for any confusion. 🙂

James Caithness

CameronB Brodie – No probs.

CameronB Brodie

@ Blair McDougall
Better Together? No Thanks!

9 out of 10 of the poorest regions in northern Europe are in Britain

link to 4bitnews.com

link to inequalitybriefing.org

frankieboy

I’m sure they think he is worth his £108,000pa. Personally, I cannot think of anyone who epitomises the union more than him. Bloated, smug, arrogant, dishonest, bitter, mean spirited and twisted.

NODROG

Sorry James do not understand but assume your comment is positive? FF? “NODROG You wouldn’t be once of FF would you?”

Robert Peffers

@CameronB Brodie says: 28 August, 2014 at 12:19 am:

“Do I need to go to bed? I wasn’t meaning to jump all over you. I’d figured you are one of the good guy and I was just using your comment to make another. Sorry for any confusion.”

Well, CameronB Brodie, perhaps you don’t need to go to bed. Just remember we all make the odd slip now and then. Tell you what, though, I’m off to bed. The wee papillon has just told me it’s time I did.

Don’t know if she can read the clock but she is never more than a couple of minutes out on midnight. First it is, “Ah want oot fir a pee”. Then, “Ah need watter”, then she bothers me to get through to her night bed in the corner of the bedroom.

A wee girl I know asked to take her a walk. I agreed and the wee girl said, “but how will I know what she wants”. I said, “You’ll know: You’ll know”.

Half an hour later they returned and the wee lass said, “You were right – I did know”. Aren’t kids and dugs wonderful? Mind you, that wee lass is around 8 going on 80.

G’night! I’m off before this dug drives me demented wanting to her bed.

CameronB Brodie

Robert Peffers
I’ll fight my corner Robert, but hopefully I have the humility to admit when I’m in the wrong. Unlike Alistair Darling and company, of course. (inaudible mumble)

Night night. 😉

CameronB Brodie

And CameronB is fine. Less formal. 🙂

donald anderson

CameronB Brodie says:
And CameronB is fine. Less formal.

Andy Cameron is better.
Is Butter Together better than Batter Together?
Jam Tomorrow. Crumbs Today.

As a famous Wobbly once said, “We don’t want the crumbs. We want the whole goddam bakehouse”.

As a famous Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ein Fuhrer once said,”Trident afore Mutter”.

manandboy

Just testing as I posted a comment and it just disappeared as soon as I hit submit

CameronB Brodie

manandboy
The filter can be odd some times.

Thepnr

I have an idea!

Lets vote Yes and put this poor excuse for a spine out of a job.

Brian Mchugh

Great article “Getting back to why”…

link to afewkindwords.me

manandboy

200 MP’s being paid by healthcare companies.
Companies which are waiting in the wings
to snap up all the highly lucrative bits of the NHS
as it is privatised by stealth
under the careful guidance of David Cameron
and his City advisors.

I am sure that the speed of greed at Westminster
and in the City of London,
has accelerated noticeably under this Government.

Scottish Independence won’t be the force which damages rUK.
It will be the power of
internal greed,lies and corruption,
which will drive England in particular,
to a break down of social cohesion.

CameronB Brodie

Some advice please. Do I leave big holes in my posts, in the assumption that folk are following what I wittering on about?

Ian Brotherhood

I would like to take Blair McDougall to the area in Kilwinning which we leafleted a fortnight ago.

It is (literally) a stone’s throw away from the pedestrianised shopping precinct which has been recently given a make-over, with very impressive gleaming stone-work and modern sculptures etc.

I won’t name the ‘street’ we were on.

You would have no reason to go there, or even pass by it. It is a short-ish cul-de-sac of flats, with no space for car-parking, bins, or much of anything else. Two-storied.

As we went in to leaflet the flats, the first door was wide open. Inside, a kitchen. A girl, no more than three years old, was standing, barefoot, in a limp, dirty dress, looking up at me. I didn’t know whether to hand her the leaflet or post it through the letterbox, (which was not part of the door, but below a small window). Peeking inside, I saw no adults to ask, so stuck the thing through the letterbox and moved on.

The colleague accompanying me had already done the next door, so we ‘leap-frogged’ down the five or six other doors, but came to a dead-end when trying to access the upper flats. The ‘Services’ button didn’t allow us in, so we pressed the half dozen buttons, and waited.

As we waited, I put a leaflet in the letterbox of a flat which appeared to be empty. No lights inside.

No response from the upper flat buttons. A noise to my right – in the ’empty’ flat, a tall figure slowly moved across the frosted glass space, perhaps unaware that we could se him, and gently drew the leaflet from the flap. He then froze briefly before retreating – he didn’t turn, but walked backwards, slowly. The hairs on my neck were up.

As we turned away, the wee girl I’d encountered at the first door was right there behind us. She addressed ‘J’ rather than me, but it was difficult to make out what she was saying. We were in a dim recess and it suddenly felt extremely awkward, so we moved back along and the girl followed, persistently asking J for something. He clicked that she wanted another SSP leaflet (a monochrome A3 sheet) for her sister. J gave her another leaflet and she went back inside her house.

We left the badly-lit corridor, returned to the ‘main’ street, where J’s wife had completed a row of houses and was making her way back. I sat on the wall for a breather. Suddenly, the girl’s voice came up again – she was on the other side of the road, this time with an older sister, (perhaps five years old at most) also barefoot, wearing what may have been pyjamas or a track suit. They were holding hands, and held the SSP leaflets in their free hands. J, alarmed to see them at the roadside, immediately went across to ‘shoo’ them back home. This time, both girls looked up at him and asked for another leaflet, for ‘E’ (presumably another sister, friend or relative) who could not, for whatever reason, come out of the house.

In all this time we did not clap eyes on a single adult.

Kilwinning has always, so far as I’m aware, been a Labour stronghold. I wonder how many of the current hierarchy would even be able to guess what part of Kilwinning I’m referring to, let alone claim that they’ve ever been there, or are familiar with the problems being faced by the folk living there.

Blair McDougall is, for sure, a joke character, and we’ve all had much fun at his expense, what with the brilliant Moodie cartoons, the atrocious gaffes he’s made. He has certainly exposed himself as a Category Five fanny and a profoundly unpleasant character.

But we shouldn’t forget what he’s doing, what he truly represents, and the damage his ilk have already done to our families, friends and neighbours i.e. our ‘communities’.

And I’ll stop there, before I write something which may later be used to incriminate me.

Ian Brotherhood

Er, not A3 leaflets!! We can’t afford them… must be, what, A5?

Doh!

Anyway, it’s not important.

What is important is to get creatures like McDougall out of public life in Scotland once and for all.

CameronB Brodie

Made me smile.

link to imgur.com

manandboy

It’s done it again. Submit – and it’s gone!!

BB

@Ian Brotherhood

A3 “leaflets”?? Those are some bloody big lads and lasses you’ve got handing those out if they consider them leaflets. Sign them up as bouncers ASAP. 😉

In other news Jim Sillars is in Ayrshire soon. He’s doing a talk at Maybole town hall too. Nice chance for the villages, etc. to meet the man and listen to him in person. Awesome.

PS. Putting in my mandatory plug for any Ayrshire folk to visit the off-topic thread and let me know they are interested in helping during the referendum, counting and voting processes. The ones who’ve mentioned interest to me already know who they are and I’ve not forgotten them, of course, but the more the merrier as plenty places vacant still.

link to wingsoverscotland.com

Just speak out and we can see what we can work out. There’s many tasks that can be done with flexible times or schedules etc. to suit most volunteers, so don’t be shy. I’m keen to get as many Wings readers in as possible. You’ll get to feel all special with your own security pass. Hehe 🙂 Go on, have a go!

Molly

Better Together have spent the majority of this year talking about a currency union.How relevant to those kids lives do you think a currency union is?

Marco McGinty

@schrodinger’s cat
“whether lamont likes it or not, the bnp and the OO are part of the BT campaign. why should we ignore them because lamont, brown and darling say so?”

They might try to deny it, and they might try to ignore it, but the whole of Scotland knows they have used a bigot and a racist in prominent positions at meetings and in nationally televised adverts.

Marco McGinty

@schrodinger’s cat
“whether lamont likes it or not, the bnp and the OO are part of the BT campaign. why should we ignore them because lamont, brown and darling say so?”

They might try to deny it, and they might try to ignore it, but the whole of Scotland knows they have used a bigot and a racist in prominent positions at meetings and in nationally televised adverts.

Marco McGinty

@schrodinger’s cat
“whether lamont likes it or not, the bnp and the OO are part of the BT campaign. why should we ignore them because lamont, brown and darling say so?”

They can try to deny it, and they can try to ignore it, but the whole of Scotland knows they have used a racist and a bigot in a prominent position for meetings and a nationally televised advert.

bookie from hell

Steve Bells fixation of Salmond

link to entertainment.guardianoffers.co.uk Steve Bell offers:Trail with image on side (from named trailblock):Position1

bookie from hell

link to businessinsider.com

REV–read headline,then 2nd paragraph

hatchet job

Derek M

eek what a fleg i got, Stu you really should have a warning on that picture of big blair mcfastpiearm not good for the old ticker at this time of the morning,if that laddie smiled his face would crack open.

ot/ just in case nobody has mentioned it wee eck will be on RT on the 29th on Sophie and co looks like it could be interesting.

Marker Post

Hope you’ve seen this, Rev.

No Campaign’s new ad convinces some to vote Yes:

link to theguardian.com

Brian Mchugh

Marker Post, was funny watching Jenny Marra trying to defend the AD. She was visibly torn between her true feelings and the lies coming out her mouth.

steven Seagull

Fat arrogant slug, reminds me of Hermann Goering.

donald anderson

steven Seagull
Fat arrogant slug, reminds me of Hermann Goering.

Goering used to be a stunt pilot.

What kind of pilot does that make Herr McDougal?

CameronB Brodie

Talking about Wobblies, I got chatting to a couple of labourers yesterday, on the bus (safety boots and covered in stoor). The youngest wasn’t interested and not registered, the eldest couldn’t vote. I tried to convince junior to register but I’m not sure if I got through to him. I managed to strike up a reasonable conversation with senior, as he was quite pro Yes though thought it wouldn’t happen. Of course I corrected him, making sure most folk could hear our conversation. Myself anyway. 🙂

I might try an all day ticket today, if it rains. If it is nice, I’ll just join bus queues and use the same tactic. I’ve already got my shopping so the checkout opperators are safe for a wee while longer. 🙂

donald anderson

Whit if it rains oan polling day?
Whit if a woluf eats me up if I cry wolf again?
Woe is me. Gnash. Wail and slops in a pail.
Whit if I am too wee, too stupit and to poor tae leave the hoose oan polling day? Whit’s mah plan B?

Naebiddy telt me. Ah don’t know anything aboot it. They’re no’ telling me right. Whit if the Old Firm gets banned in a Scottish Republic?

Ah’m gonny top maself.

Derek M

hmm come on guys he might be fat and …… all the rest but lets not compare him to one of the worst human beings in history tried for crimes against humanity ,remember how annoyed we were when we were all called nazi`s on numerous occasions lets not go there lets stick to him being an arse and leave the nazi`s slurs to his buddy flipper and his gang of halfwits ok.

Ken500

Steve Bell another trougher, making money out of Alex Salmond and the Referendum

Most of Westminster should be in jail.

The two most unpopular politicians in Britain. Lead the No campaign.

CameronB Brodie

I’ve also got bookings to take my first order of 6 x WBB from kestril’s ebay setup, which is nice. 🙂

john king

Heedtracker says
” no voter complained to the management by phone that I am using it to make people vote YES. ”

Your making them vote yes?
What, did you have a .45 revolver in your hand as well?

oui things says
“On that note Blair MacDougal can go and fuck himself.”

Nothing to add,
carry on.

James Caithness @ 10.24

I’ve shared this with as many people as I can think of, this guy is amazing and vocalizes (far better than I ever could) my feelings exactly.

Mosstrooper says
“MacWhirter always has been bit of an odd bod regarding Scotland. When he came back from his London sojourn he complained that Scotland was ” appallingly white”??”

Must have been a good summer when he came back,
It takes a week of sunshine for me to go from blue to white.

Ian Brotherhood says
“McDougall’s trying to look statesmanlike. Not easy, when Eddie Izzard’s done your make-up.”

Hahahahahahahaha

Peegee says
“He used, “pre-prepared”, in his article on Monday’s debate. ”

Would it make you happier if he used the phrase “mise en place”?

o/t
Sweet cheeks Catriona Shearer reports on a positive news item telling us 200 buisness leaders have said there IS a positive case for independence, 🙂 but does it while showing a visual of the Scotsman report with the camera panning slowly over the headline “NO BUISNESS CASE FOR INDEPENDENCE” so anyone rushing about getting ready for work who doesnt have time to stop and listen will see YET AGAIN a negative report. 🙁
way to go BBC (noted)

Ian Brotherhood @1.10am

You cant hide a literary bent,
well written Ian!

Cameronb links to this
link to i.imgur.com

Could not agree more with the English guy, the fact that we’re agonising over this is embarressing, the decision should be a slamdunk.

O/T
come on guys throw me a frikkin bone here already,
the only person who’s offered to help me with WBB’s is Thepnr for which I am grateful and I will come and get them (give me the details by email) when they arrive, but if anyone else can spare a couple of hundred I would travel to the borders if I had to, but I desparately need them Ive got yes campaign guys screaming for them!

JLT

I noted this yesterday. It really is a case of ‘What is he implying? That Yes voters are selfishly excluding their loved ones and their all concerns and needs while we chase a dream. That all we think about is Independence and that is it. Make no bones about it, I’m working most of the day, studying during my lunch, coming home and back out the door to canvass, and then get home to study again. I’m lucky if I’m seeing the wife for an hour a day. I feel guilty, but she understands what I am doing, and backs me wholly. I will be glad on the 19th when it is over. A break from it all, and then I can give my wife all the attention she wants …before we begin Stage 2 if we win, and then get involved in creating the new Scotland (never ends …does it!)

But for Blair; I think Blair needs to realise very quickly, that the reason we are voting Yes, and the reasons why many of us are deeply committed in spending a vast amount of time with Yes Campaign, is that we are trying to PROTECT our loved ones by keeping them safe from the crushing pessimism and the corrupt system of the UK state that he so lovingly holds up as a magnificent concept. Blair can spout ‘best of both worlds’ and ‘better together’, but the problem for him is, even he can’t define it, let alone explain it to us. That’s the reason why his campaign is failing.

We know why we’re doing what we’re doing; can he?

CameronB Brodie

I still have to place my order btw, just in case kestril clipes on me. 🙂

Juteman

OT. According to GMS Alastair Carmichael wants to join Team Scotland after a Yes vote. He must know the writing is on the wall for No.

Derek M

@ Juteman well they do say the rats are the first to desert a sinking ship,there will be more of them libdems jostling for some position in iScotland personally i think we should not let them anywhere near our parliament ever again.

Mealer

Steven Seagull.
Obesity is a major problem in Scotland and most other wealthy countries.A good friend of mine who works hard for the YES campaign has a constant battle with his weight.

macart763m

@Juteman

Seriously?

Alistair Carmichael can …. (fill in as appropriate)

After all he’s said and done during this campaign and he’s expecting a bone?

bugsbunny

Where have all the ("Tractor" - Ed)s gone?
Better Together, everyone!
Where have all the ("Tractor" - Ed)s gone?
Not long to go,
Where have all the Traitors gone?
Off to London everyone,
They’ve gone to spread their lies!
They’ve gone to spread their lies!

Where have all the liars gone?
Joined Unionist parties everyone!
Where have all the liars gone?
Long time ago,
Where have all the liars gone?
Taken 30 peices of silver, everyone;
They’ve sold their country out!
They’ve sold their country out!

Where have all the dimwits gone?
Voting no, everyone!
Where have all the dimwits gone?
Short time ago,
Where have all the dimwits gone?
Spreading lies, everyone;
They won’t ever understand!
They won’t ever understand!

Where have all the frightened gone?
Regurgitating propaganda, everyone!
Where have all the frightened gone?
Short time ago,
Where have all the frightened gone?
Counting their pennies everyone;
Oh don’t they understand?
Oh don’t they understand?

Where have all the powers gone?
Down at Westminster, every one,
Where has all the powers gone?
Long time ago;
Where have all the powers gone?
Down at Westminster ever one,
We’ve got to get it back!
We’ve got to get it back!

Where have all the Patriots gone?
Down to vote YES, every one!
Where have all the Patriots gone?
Not long to go!
Where have all the Patriots gone?
Down to vote YES, every one,
Our children will understand!
Our children will understand!

Stephen.

Free Scotland

If McDougall bought a shirt with the correct collar size (i.e. much smaller), the buttons further down the shirt would not be able to meet the button holes, particularly around the waist. I think the poster is his way of saying that the buttons and button holes are better together.

Snode1965

That’s 3 days since AS trounced darling,and 3 days in a row that the scottish sun has had massive Yes articles. Today’s edition even has a double page spread on brave heart! Like everyone here Murdoch smells victory 🙂

Juteman

@Macart.
According to Naughty Jim. This was around 6.30am

Arabs for Independence

Just listened to James Naughtie on GMS arguing with guy who said that England subsidises Scotland – Naughtie got tore into him and said Scotland pays in more than it gets out!!

Have I slept in by 20 years? Jim Naughtie arguing the Independence case – am I dreaming?

CameronB Brodie

Treated myself to a takeaway curry last night. Out of a staff of six, only two were for No. They’ll have to share a WBB.

Croompenstein

@Arabs – Naughty Jim!! Jeezo he needs to tell his cohorts Crash and the Flipper as they are still perpetuating the subsidy junkie myth to try and scare folk like Kirsty the homeless woman on Disreporting Scotland last night.

Greannach

Alistair Carmichael? Who?

dodecostanza

O/T
Could someone please point me to somewhere online (maybe WOS, maybe elsewhere) to help with this:
I’m having an online discussion with someone about the WBB and they pointed me to “The Wee Blue Book of Lies” at chokkablog.

As far as I can see he’s quoting different figures and seems to come to the conclusion that Scotland gets out more than it puts into the UK.
I know this is nonsense (even James Naughtie says so!) but I’d appreciate it if there was an online rebuttal that I could point this person to.

Thanks

Malc

Does anyone have a link to a list of the 130 companies that came out yesterday as being against Scotland. Interested to see who they are so that I can avoid dealing with them.

Macart

@Juteman

Well if its the Naughty boy, it’ll be right enough then. Only he would be so cruel as to drop that piece of gossip on the punter.

Bearing in mind though that Carmichael has been such an unmitigated car crash as SoSfS, just why would he think we’d even consider him any kind of fit. We’re trying to get rid of people who have no confidence in the Scottish electorate.

I mean people like him who have expressed this belief aren’t likely to change their minds overnight. Putting aside his political capabilities for a moment (dire as they are), would you want anyone on that team who didn’t believe in the capabilities of the country they were negotiating for? I can think of a number of cross party politicos I’d rather have on that team (if we must) and he would be nowhere near that list.

ronnie anderson

Cameron to tell Scottish buisnessmen that rUk is Scotlands biggest marketplace for goods, noo who redrew the World Map & left out all those other Country,s,that Would trade with Scotland as a Independant Country.

John Young

As the man says, it’s not possible to vote No and be a decent person.
Very powerful youtube video from ex diplomat Craig Murray.

David Wardrope

I see that on BBC article on Cameron’s brave visit to Glasgow, the lead picture no longer has the saltire under the union flag…it’s now under the union flag AND the st george flag.

CameronB Brodie

Is Cameron suggesting that cross-border trade will drop dramatically after independence? Why would this be the case and where is the evidence?

galamcennalath

Just thinking. Don’t know if anyone else has said this.

Is all this talk of families some attempt at a subliminal message to “stay together for the sake of the kids”?

Ken500

Cameron the most unpopular politician in Scotland. Even more YES votes. Hate ye back. Oops Haste ye back.

Scotland lost millions of people and jobs and the equivalent of £Billions of revenues because of Westminster rule. Thatcher and the BoE – unemployment in Scotland was a price worth paying
for jobs and prosperity in London S/E. Keep millions of jobs in Scotland. Vote YES.

ronnie anderson

Wee Duggie Alexander refusing to answer the question on Plan B after the Referendum 8.17 Bbc Scot

David Coulter

O/t
I’ll tell you something……if in the (unlikely) event of a No vote, the rUK begin to tamper with our funding formula, they are in for one almighty struggle. If you think the referendum has unleashed a grassroots dynamism in the debating sense, then think of what could be achieved when we put that energy into organised resistance. I’m buggered if I’m going to stand by and watch Westminster take their revenge for us having the audacity to challenge their precious self serving Union. The Scottish genie is well and truly out of the bottle and it ain’t going back in.

Reply ?

goldenayr

Anyone seen this?

link to dissidentvoice.org

caz-m

What you don’t see in the Better Together TV Ad is the chain running from that poor woman’s ankle to the kitchen sink and the bottle of valium sitting on the table.

Women are turned off by the latest BT political Ad. It is patronising and out of touch with the majority of Scottish women, helping a lot them to finally make up their mind and vote YES.

link to ibtimes.com

Johnny

dodecostanza @ 8:01

Surely the rebuttal is the Wee Blue Book itself….or, at least, the links to the evidence contained within? I think I’d be directing the person to follow the evidence the WBB cites. If they won’t listen then, they are at it, frankly.

James Caithness

@ dodecostanza says

Point out to the person that the information was sourced from the UK Government’s literature for the most part.
So if he thinks it’s lies then his Government is telling him lies.

Mind he’s probably too thick to take that in. Time too short to waste on died in the wool unioists.

Wee Alex

Just listened to James naughtie interview Douglas Alexander on radio.

Never have I heard a politician talk so much but say absolutely nothing. Asked the same question as A Darling to name 3 things to bring jobs to Scotland, all he could manage was youth training and apprenticeships, something the current Government is doing.

It’s a pity Alexander gets away with the guff he speaks, it’s utter drivel. Intellectual drivel.

Grouse Beater

Carmichael says he’d resign on a Yes win, (what else could he do?) and join Salmond’s negotiation team.

Sinky

Douglas Alexander on BBC Morning Call from 8.50 am

BBC RADIO SCOTLAND MORNING CALL
Call 0500 92 95 00. Text 80295.
Email morningcallscotland@bbc.co.uk

Brotyboy

Ian Brotherhood @1.10am

Powerful post, Ian. But thanks for the reminder that this is about people.

Famous15

If a business makes decisions other than on best price for best quality regardless of source they would not survive. Any other consideration like trading with the “enemy” is a matter for government.

Back to history ,,Ireland after a bloody fight gained independence..they were specifically declared never mind not being an enemy but were not to be viewed as foreign.

Scaremongering is my grouse!

goldenayr

Check this out.

link to spectator.co.uk

CameronB Brodie

“The Scottish Government’s track record of investment in health – and not being sucked into the creeping privatisation agenda of healthcare south of the border – highlight exactly why the future of the NHS in Scotland can only be secured with a Yes vote.” 🙂

link to news.stv.tv

Thepnr