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New poll figures follow TV debates

Posted on April 10, 2015 by

After this week’s STV and BBC debates, in which the Scottish Labour branch-office manager’s combative performances were favourably received by the Scottish media, Wings exclusively interviews armed-forces enthusiast Jim Murphy for a response to the latest numbers from YouGov, pausing first for the delivery of some refreshments.

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    1. MajorBloodnok says:

      Meh!!

    2. Embradon says:

      Working for me now. ????

    3. Stoker says:

      LOL
      🙂

    4. Bugger (the Panda) says:

      WORKS FOR ME IN FRANCE!

    5. Flower of Scotland says:

      I can see it! I an also see Murphys face!

    6. Marie clark says:

      Working for me as well. Has Mr Shouty got upset and contacted pals at PQ, is that what the problem has been.

    7. haud on the noo says:

      Works fine for me folks.

    8. Capella says:

      That’s very unfair of you, appealing to boring old factual evidence, when the lads in the media can just tell us who is in the lead.

    9. McBoxheid says:

      I normally get stuff blocked in Germany if it has music in it, but this was fine, nae bother to watch.Nice one Rev Stu!

    10. Jim says:

      Try “Tor”, browser. That should let you watch it.

    11. Another Expat says:

      There are some advantages to living where the BBC has no influence. There’s a lot about shouting being the best policy and for those who can’t access it, here are the punch lines:

      “It would take a homicidal maniac in a claymore and a kilt to get the better of me.”

      “Well, that’s handy . . .”

      🙂

    12. freedoinnl says:

      No problems viewing via Chrome on PC or Android here in Netherlands

    13. gillie says:

      What do the Scottish media know about public opinion?

      “FUCK-ALL”, is the answer.

    14. Wulls says:

      Check out the YouGov link…….Never mind the SNP…….It is absolutely staggering to see Scottish labour only 6 points ahead of the Scottish Conservatives with the gap closing.
      That means a 3% swing would see the Tories and labour neck and neck IN SCOTLAND. ????????????
      You reap what you sew.

    15. Joemcg says:

      Posted on the last thread but have the numbers been announced for the postals Labour are producing?! 800,000 or even more?

    16. Mealer says:

      Jim speaks in a quiet voice and scares the bejesus out of folk with his creepiness,punctuated with outbursts of aggressive shouting at folk.In another video by Bonnie Prince Bob we see a near to tears Kezia Dugdale standing beside Mr Murphy.Very concerning.

    17. Onwards says:

      Good to see that people are seeing through his act.

      I don’t know if Creepy Jim or Shouty Jim is the biggest turn off..

    18. Clarinda says:

      I suppose the difficulties to view encountered by some here are the absent characteristics of “inspired leadership” and “tactical ability”, quoted by Blackadder in the above clip, demonstrated by shouty branch operatives and their media/black arts ‘supporters’.

    19. mumsyhugs says:

      “Deja vu again” – now where have I heard that before? 🙂

    20. Ravelin says:

      I don’t know if Creepy Jim or Shouty Jim is the biggest turn off..

      I’m just impressed by how seamlessly he can switch between the two.

      On the debates it was… shouty Jim… shouty Jim… shouty Jim… … creepy Jim

      Makes me shudder every time.

    21. Joemcg says:

      Just saw a post on the Proud Scotchman threads calling us the Rev’s Rat’s lol!

    22. almannysbunnet says:

      Anybody watching Moe, Curly and Larry (the 3 stooges) giving their press conference? The most contrived piece of labour BS I’ve seen yet. Smugmurphy, “I believe that gentleman wants to ask a question, you behind that guy,” pause, “yes you, you’ve a question to ask,” pause “you don’t want to ask a question? I was told you wanted to ask a question.” pause, “Berhard (surely not!) you don’t want to ask a question?”. What a load of absolute cobblers.

    23. Ravelin says:

      Argh…must use preview,that was meant to be…

      On the debates it was… shouty Jim… shouty Jim… shouty Jim… [turns to camera]… creepy Jim

    24. TJenny says:

      Joemcg – ‘Just saw a post on the Proud Scotchman threads calling us the Rev’s Rat’s lol!’

      You’ll have to correct them – we are shurely the Rev’s Separats! 😉

    25. Arabs for Independence says:

      Working for me in Oslo. Thanks Stu

    26. TJenny says:

      Crivvens – my comment posted right away. Oh, happy day! 🙂 Wonder if this one will?

    27. Joemcg says:

      Seperats! Lol good yin!

    28. Marcia says:

      Joemcg

      Rats are intelligent.

    29. Edward says:

      Milibland was asked if this time he will actually go out on the streets of Scotland to meet the people

      Milibland replied that he would indeed meet the people (carefully vetted Labour activist people that is)

    30. Croompenstein says:

      One of my favourite scenes has to be when Sir Talbot Buxomly snuffs it, a bit like the Labour Party in Scotland… LOL

      Sir Talbot Buxomly: The fact is you are regent, appointed by God, and I shall stick by you forever, even though infirmity lay me waste and ill health curse my every waking moment (Sits down).

      Prince George: Well, good on you sir, and don’t talk to me about infermity! Why sir, you are the hardy stock that is the core of Britain’s greatness, you have the physique of a demigod, purple of cheek, plump of fetlock, the shapely ankle and the well filled trousers: that tells of a human body in perfect working order!

      Blackadder: (Feeling Buxomly’s pulse) He’s dead sir.

    31. Rob James says:

      Murphy’s epitaph – The man who could shout 1000 times louder than his opponents.

      The press appear to be having a day off from their SNP Bad campaign. I’m not sure if it is the lull before the storm or it’s dawned on them that this constant attack isn’t working. I’ll err on the side of caution and go for the first option.

    32. terry says:

      O/T – butt BBC news doing a few reports from Aberdeen today. Just now they had two voters on linked to the oil industry – one was Sandra McDonald – former labour councillor and married to Lewis McDonald MSP. Obviously we have no objection about that but why doesn’t the BBC enlighten viewers to this fact? A previous posting commented on an ex Labour councillor on tv the debate – who I know for a fact ripped up her labour party card, voted Yes and joined the Greens – so I guess anything is possible when it comes to any labour party member – even those married to MSPs.

      I must admit to a bit of a strop post indyref with a couple of No voters – but now I just look on them as tomorrow’s Yessers and carry on doorknocking. The MSM and unioinists keep shooting themselves in the foot – with Frenchgate being a prime example. I’ve yet to meet a unionist yet who believed that guff. So I quietly say to myself “A few more votes for the SNP” and smile. Last night on Sky some eejit referred to Scotland as a beautiful but quaint little country – aha – more converts.

      But thanks again Wings – the prompt analysis of all the keech out there is the best tool possible in combatting the unioinsts crap.

      I will resist shouting the word “PISH” each time I hear their guff. That video was brilliant.

    33. HandandShrimp says:

      Rob

      It is Friday and it is a beautiful day, they are on the golf course having a quiet seethe about how the SNP = Bad isn’t working.

    34. Casper1066 says:

      Brilliant, love that show, so much talent. Pity Murphy doesn’t have any of these skills.

    35. caz-m says:

      Labour going walkabout in Edinburgh, give them a good Scots welcome if you bump into them.

      Ed Balls tells Scots pensioners, “you will lose £18 a week if they vote SNP.”

      Where have we heard that before?

      £SEVEN POINT SIX BILLION POUND BLACK HOLE, if you vote SNP.

      Not one ounce of vision for Scotland from these three Labour Party messengers of doom.

    36. heedtracker says:

      You’re not wrong. Roar your heads off all you like SLabour and co. Creepy Morphy is possibly even more ghastly roaring like a lunatic than when he does low tone sexy voice. What a very very creepy man.

      Here in Englandshire, BBC r4 news is another day of rolling party political BBC broadcast on behalf of their red tory ("Quizmaster" - Ed)s in Scotland.

      Online red and blue tories say if you vote SNP you’re “drunk on nationalism Scottish.” As usual, demented old chancer Duncy Hothersall keeps up his charming Wos bothering, if you’re reading WoS you’re in a cult, sayeth probably not so future SLabour MP Hothersall.

      BBC Vote SLab or else Scotland, tick tock.

    37. Black Douglas says:

      sepeRATs also like to leave sinking ships 😀

      1.5 Trillion and counting.

    38. almannysbunnet says:

      Scrolling across the bottom of my BBC screen “Ed Milliband and Jim Murphy are against giving Holyrood more powers over taxation and spending”…..what about the vow I hear you say, what indeed!

    39. Chipmonkey says:

      HAHAHA – I agree @Flower of Scotland -I can see his face with dark curly wig on.

      Needed a good laugh. Glad I tried again (It did say blocked for me earlier)

    40. Robert Louis says:

      Jim ‘shouty’ Murphy.

      Meanwhile, Labour seems to be relying on students once again to help them out. Sadly for Labour, they will be back at Uni for exams, well before the election (unless of course they literally want to follow Murphy’s example of how to fail a degree over 9 years).

      Spread the message, take nothing for granted, and maybe just maybe we can at last get rid of these lying red tories from the Scottish electoral map. This is our chance to elect the SNP, and give Scotland a say in matters.

      Vote Labour – Scotland will be ignored

      Vote SNP – get a strong voice standing up for Scotland in Westminster.

    41. Barontorc says:

      Yes Rob James – ‘it’s quiet out there, too quiet!’

    42. Finnz says:

      Hilarious…

      “It would take a homicidal maniac in a claymore and a kilt to get the better of me.”

      Just a Nicola it seems. And we have one of those…

    43. seanair says:

      Sorry O/T, but just received a leaflet from Mark Lazarowicz (postal delivery of course, no canvassers available).
      Usual pish about more employment, but leaflet is printed in Cardiff!!
      Needless to say he is still punting the line that you must vote Labour because the biggest party will form the next government. I thought that had been scuppered long ago.
      Sending the leaflet back pointing out the errors–might also ask which party was so crap to bollocks the economy and let the Tories in.

    44. Lesley-Anne says:

      I love the first couple of lines on the YouGov site.

      The Scottish National Party have reached 49% in YouGov’s latest Scottish poll – and Labour are down to 25%, their lowest level recorded by YouGov

      I can only assume that this means that the “Murphy Bounce” has well and truly arrived and is now bouncing along quite happily as we speak! 😀

      Yo Jim tell us … please. … What is your secret? 😉

      How does someone with all the power of a burst balloon, such as your good self, manage to energise the support for Labour to such *ahem* high levels? 🙂

      Would you be willing to teach us all how you have been so successful? 😛

      Do you intend doing a tour of Scotland after May 8th telling everyone how you managed to *cough* save Labour’s 41 seats in Scotland? 😉

    45. Finnz says:

      “we are shurely the Rev’s Separats!” said TJenny

      Aye and in Scotland you are never more than 10 feet away from one…

      O/T heard on Radio 2 this morning Evans’s fill-in Sarah Cox referring to ‘Englands’ warships. They just can’t help themselves…

    46. caz-m says:

      Did you hear the enthusiastic applause during the Three Stooges Labour Party speech from Edinburgh.

      That was the Unionist reporters from the Scottish/UK MSM you heard.

      And I didn’t hear any questions coming from the Sunday Herald or The National reporters.

      PROJECT FEAR (PART II.)

      Look at me Ed, am shakin in ma boots.

      Vote SNP May 7th.

      PS. Have you noticed they way they highlight the word billion, when they are telling us about the, seven point six BILLION pound black hole.

      PPS. Have you also noticed how BBC reporters DON’T actually say any figures in opinion polls. They will say things like the SNP are ahead or they could win a large number of seats but they seem to avoid saying the actual numbers.

    47. caz-m says:

      Did Murphy not tell us a few months ago that the polls will start to shift in the last four weeks of the GE campaign?

    48. CameronB Brodie says:

      OT, sorry. I’ve just tried commenting on today’s National but wasn’t able to sign in (I don’t Facebook). I wonder if someone would be kind enough to post my comment for me.

      http://www.thenational.scot/comment/patrick-harvie-capitalism-will-end-because-it-must-end.1898

      I think the development of methodologies which enable the monetisation of intangibles (environmental and social assets e.g. air quality/quality of life), is the most likely approach capable of ‘taming’ capitalism. However, this would raise many ethical issues, in itself.

      One concern I have, is that the global ‘green movement’ has been inundated by former Communist apparatchiks, since the collapse of the Soviet block. IMHO, they are not ‘green’, merely ideologically opposed to capitalism. I see this as a problem which will hinder any real progressiveness, as Communists are far from progressive.

      Sorry, I don’t have any answers.

    49. Robert Louis says:

      Whilst taking nothing for granted it has to be said, I fondly recall the election evening when blue tory Portillo lost his seat. Early on, before result were comfirmed, Paxman said to Portillo, ‘are you ready to drink hemlock yet’?

      Much as I don’t really like Paxman, I do regard it as one of his finest moments.

      Oh, how much I would enjoy that same question addressed to curran, Alexander, and all the rest of the red tory troughers in Scotland, on the evening of 7th May.

    50. DerekM says:

      lol brilliant Rev 🙂

      @joeymcg you have to stop going to the Scotsman joey we dont have enough disinfectant and you might catch something 😉

      hey look on the bright side we have been upgraded to rats instead of nazi`s,i wonder how long before they put the two together lol

    51. BrianW says:

      Classic bit of Jim SHOUTING, sorry, I mean, classic bit of Blackadder there.

      Jims like the child who shouts for attention.. Look at me.. Look at me.. I’m shouting.. Look at me.. Everyone stop to watch and listen to me..

      Tit!

    52. Lesley-Anne says:

      Joemcg says:

      Just saw a post on the Proud Scotchman threads calling us the Rev’s Rat’s lol!

      WOW!

      I wonder if the owner of the “Proud Scotchman” site has just helped a CyberNAT solve a serious problem I had. … Nah they probably don’t. Maybe I should pop over and thank them for helping me out. … Maybe later. 😉

      The problem I have is all to do with tattoo’s would you believe. I am a virgin at the moment, tatto wise that is 🙂 , and was planning to have my first tattoo done at some stage. The tattoo was, being a cybernat, naturally going to be a Cybernat! 🙂

      Of course having one tattoo would be fine but that would leave me sort of unbalanced, CAREFUL now! 😛 , now however thatnks to the “Proud Scotchman” I know what I need to get done after my Cybernat tattoo to balance it up … a tattoo of a CyberRAT! 😀

    53. gordoz says:

      Baaaarrggghhh !!! Fuss n Nonesense Sir !!! Who’s Shouty

      MEEEEEE!!!
      Love it.

    54. alexicon says:

      Please folks take nothing for granted, these polls are just to unbelievable and we shouldn’t get complacent.
      As someone has already pointed out, there’s a lot of soft marginal seats out there that yuogov are saying are softening as we speak.
      So it is imperative that we work even harder for these votes and get out their to counter the lies the unionists, especially the red tories, will put out.
      It’s going to get dirtier as election day gets closer.
      Stop being complacent guys and keep your eye on the ball, I’m sure we all want these polls to come true.

    55. gerry parker says:

      Just got an e mail from the ERS.
      They invited me to put in my postcode and they would predict the outcome of my seat.

      http://action.electoral-reform.org.uk/ea-action/action?ea.client.id=1754&ea.campaign.id=37376

      I put in the post code for Coatbridge and Guess what?

      They they reported it as a Marginal Seat.

      We’re getting there folks.
      Last result was a Lab Majority of 20,000

      Back out leafleting this afternoon.

      🙂

    56. TJenny says:

      L.A. – how about a tattoo of a ‘winged’ cyberRat? 😉

    57. Gavin says:

      My favorite Blackadder scene is when baldrick is applying to become an mp.

      Blackadder “criminal convictions” ?

      Baldrick “none whatsoever”

      Blackadder “come on baldrick, your going to be an mp for gods sake ! I’ll put down fraud and sexual deviancy”

      Brilliant !

    58. starlaw says:

      Just listened to Brewers propaganda programme from Perth. Its project fear again and pensioners are again the target, how SNP have secret plans which will cost Billions and pensions wont be paid. . . despicable

    59. Lesley-Anne says:

      Thanks for the link GP.

      I just put in my post code for Dumfries, Tweeddale and Clydesdale, old Fluffy’s seat in case anyone is wondering 😉 , and guess what folks!

      The future is unclear as you’re in a marginal seat.

      You’re one of the lucky ones. Your election is too close to call.
      😀

      I forgot to add to my past post that I’m now officially confused.

      With the Proud Scotchman now calling us cyberrats does this make me:

      1) a CyberNatRat

      OR

      2) a CyberRatNat

      😀

    60. caz-m says:

      Finnz 1.14pm
      “O/T heard on Radio 2 this morning Evans’s fill-in Sarah Cox referring to ‘Englands’ warships.”

      Finnz, the Channel 4 news reporter done the same thing last night. While talking to someone at the Dockyard in Portsmouth, he asked,

      “So do the French Navy have more ships than the English Navy?”

      Your heart just sinks with despair, especially when the present Royal Navy Fleet was built in SCOTLAND.

    61. lumilumi says:

      Great polling figures, but it’s only an opinion poll and all sorts of caveats apply, e.g. methodology. I’ll probably pop over to Scot goes Pop to find out more.

      There’s still nearly 4 weeks to go so don’t be getting complacent! Redouble your efforts to counteract all the BS and scares that’ll be coming your way compliments of the MSM and the BBC.

      Many constituencies are neck-and-neck and vulnerable to Labour/MSM/BBC manipulation, so SNP supporters need to work very hard for every single vote.

      Because of the way FPTP works, I wouldn’t predict 50+ or even 40+ SNP MPs (more than happy to be proved wrong, of course! :-D). But remember, in the last election, SNP got 6 MPs. Their best ever result is 11. I’m confident in predicting a best-ever result for the SNP! 😀

      “Jäitä hattuun!” as we say in Finland. Literally “(put) ice in your hat”, meaning cool/calm down, don’t get too excited yet.

    62. manandboy says:

      In Labour List today, and because the Tories
      have been saying naughty things,
      Douglas Alexander made a statement of merit
      which deserves widespread attention,
      and this is it below:-

      As politicians we all share a responsibility
      to police the parameters of decent political debate.
      This is hardest to do during
      the heat of an election campaign,
      but it is also the most important time to try.”

      Where was Douglas and his belief in decent political debate
      when ‘Smear and Fear’ and a torrent of lies was in
      full flow throughout the referendum debate.

      I don’t remember Douglas chastising Darling or Brown
      as they cynically targeted the elderly
      with lies about their pensions
      and threatening foreign workers with deportation.

      And surely Douglas would have had a word with Jim Murphy
      about the need for dignity in a Labour Leader
      and for ‘decent political debate’
      as Jim embarked on his ‘Saving Labour’ mission to Scotland.

      A lifetime of living in Scotland with Labour
      has taught us that the words ‘decent’ and ‘Labour’
      just don’t go together;
      they are simply not associated with one another.

      And as the SNP and the Independent Alliance parties and groups
      strive to create a decent way of life for all Scots,
      perhaps Douglas Alexander and his Labour colleagues
      might reflect on that
      and discover why they are not included.

      labourlist.org/2015/04/people-deserve-a-better-campaign-than-the-one-the-tories-are-running-douglas-alexanders-state-of-the-race-memo-to-party-activists-and-members/

      Support Nicola for a fairer more prosperous Scotland.

      Vote SNP. Join SNP. – nae switherin’, get on wi’ it.

    63. Bob Mack says:

      Re Brewer.Perhaps he should have reminded everyone that the Tories already have plans to reduce pensioner costs in future.

    64. Alastair says:

      If you you have the vision to look deep enough down the black hole you will see OIL.

      Lots and lots of it.

    65. Lesley-Anne says:

      TJenny says:

      L.A. – how about a tattoo of a ‘winged’ cyberRat? 😉

      Oh don’t TJenny. My poor wee solitary brain cell is working quadruple overtime as it is trying to figure out if I’m a CyberNat, a CyberRat, a CyberNatRat or a CyberRatNat! 😀

      If I start putting wings on a CyberRat I’m sure my poor wee brain cell will just explode then where will I be? … oh that’s right exactly where I am now … the village idiot! 😀

    66. heedtracker says:

      Nick Clegg displaying once again why teamGB private schools really do give some quite thick mummies boys a huge leg up the teamGB ladder

      Cleg said: “There is almost a sort of Maoist tendency which says that the people must be wrong according to the SNP and that they must be forced to ask themselves the question over and over and over again until they give the answer which is satisfactory to Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon.”

      “It is a bit like that Japanese soldier who emerged from the jungle after 30 years and he thought the Second World War was still on. I sometimes think the SNP’s a bit like that.”

      Talk about your weird metaphors. In what history book is WW2 Japan jungle fighting for Chairman Mao, end of political career Deputy Clegg?

      Come on Labour in Sheffield Hallam. If only Sheffield Labour had the full might of BBC vote SLab Scotland behind them, or maybe not:D

    67. Macca73 says:

      D’you know, I can’t help but wonder each time I see figures like this if those who voted NO during the Indyref and believed in Murphy when having those ‘rants’ are now feeling cheated?

      To get a -18 rating as to him doing a good job or not is a real damning figure not just the fact that 49% are now voting SNP which sees him and his party loose further ground.

      Most of the NO voting public must be wondering why at all they made him leader!!!

    68. Gavin says:

      lumilumi says:
      10 April, 2015 at 1:54 pm
      Great polling figures, but it’s only an opinion poll and all sorts of caveats apply, e.g. methodology. I’ll probably pop over to Scot goes Pop to find out more.

      There’s still nearly 4 weeks to go so don’t be getting complacent! Redouble your efforts to counteract all the BS and scares that’ll be coming your way compliments of the MSM and the BBC.

      Many constituencies are neck-and-neck and vulnerable to Labour/MSM/BBC manipulation, so SNP supporters need to work very hard for every single vote.
      ————————

      Totally agree. We don’t want to count our our chickens before they’ve hatched. Personally I can’t see the snp getting 40+ seats, as much as I would like them to. For me the magic number is 30 MPs which would be the clear majority of seats in scotland. Any more than that would be a bonus.

    69. Albaman says:

      It’s little wonder that “The Murph” came out tops with the press regarding these debates, because he speaks thier shouting, bullying, misinformation language.
      So imagine thier surprise, if not thier utter disbelief, when they find out that the support for the S.N.P. has increased!, you see dear press guys, shouting down people when they are trying to make a point, or shouting down people when they cannot answer, as in you papers, don’t actually impress us, the voting public.
      But just like J Murphy, I doubt you’ll never learn, ’cause you just can’t help it eh?!!.

    70. ross says:

      That worked here for me in Barcelona.

    71. manandboy says:

      Nick Clegg is the kind of guy who looks at a room
      that’s been ransacked by thieves,
      and says, ‘it was the cat’.

    72. gordoz says:

      Suggest all read this / Tactical error by Head of Labour everywhere.

      Spite ?? This is one dangerous hombre meddling in things he should avoid. But no blurts it out for Blighty

      https://commonspace.scot/articles/980/ed-miliband-i-will-block-a-future-scottish-independence-referendum

    73. Gavin says:

      caz-m says:
      10 April, 2015 at 1:52 pm
      Finnz 1.14pm
      “O/T heard on Radio 2 this morning Evans’s fill-in Sarah Cox referring to ‘Englands’ warships.”
      ———-
      I agree. It’s the age old perception of England and Britain being one and the same and it’s usually people from down south who have this perception. Britain is really England with the celtic nations added on as an afterthought.

      The flag of the Royal Navy should really be the flag of the UK as it is an England flag with a union flag tucked away in the corner to represent Scotland & N. Ireland. Poor Wales of course isn’t even represented.

    74. CameronB Brodie says:

      P.S. I would be happy for someone to post my comment with the introduction, “I don’t agree with this bollocks”. 🙂

    75. Joemcg says:

      Lesley-Anne-very funny! Ha ha ha! Think CyberNatRat probably rolls off the tongue best!

    76. Socrates MacSporran says:

      I noticed Gordoz’s post at 2.23pm, regarding Ed Miliband’s threat to block any future SCottish referendum, if he is PM.

      I can well understand, if Scotland does return to the Labour fold and send a solid bloc of Slabbers to WEstminster in May, he will feel he HAS to keep Scotland inside the UK, otherwise there will be a near-permanent Tory government in Westminster.

      But, this will back-fire on him if he needs SNP support, even on a case-by-case issue, to keep the Tories out.

      The days of two-party politics in Westminster are over, it’s just, the two main parties haven’t noticed this yet, or, if they had, they are determined to ignore it for as long as they can.

    77. Proud Cybernat says:

      O/T

      “£7.6 billion black hole in Scotland’s budget!” Shouty
      Jim bellows from the rooftops of Pcific Quay.

      Well, Shouty, tell me something–WHO EXACTLY was it that gave us this “black hole”? That’s right, Shouty–it was Westminster. And if we do not get DevoMax (aka FFA) as YOU and YOUR lot promised then Westminster will have that increasing to Holmberg 15A proportions. (Holmberg 15A is the biggest black hole known).

      Imagine for a moment, Shouty, that you allow your next door neighbour to run your household affairs and they run you up a massive debt and are spending more than you earn. Will you allow them to continue doing that or will you tell them to take a long walk off a short pier and take control of the financial reins yourself?

      The WHOLE POINT of FFA is not just about scotland building a better economy but of ensuring Westminster is halted in its ongoing TRASHING of our economy which is precsiely what will happen if we do not take control of our own financial matters.

      Is taht clearer for you, Shouty?

      Apologies for being a wee bit shouty.

    78. Dan Huil says:

      @gordoz 2.23pm Aye, let’s hope the MSM give this latest example of unionist arrogance plenty of airtime.

    79. thedogphilosopher says:

      Indeed, the Hargreaves Estate might be interested in some new additions to the Mr Men (& Little Misses) Universe: Mr Shouty, Mr Creepy, Mr Passive-Aggressive, Mr I’m Not a Unionist, Mr The Biggest Party Gets to Form The Government …

      Also: Good to know I can now wear my wee enamel black rat badge (Radio 2s ‘favourite’ punk band) alongside my Wings and SNP ones!

    80. CameronB Brodie says:

      Disclaimer would have been better than introduction, as I wasn’t suggesting Patrick Harvie is talking mince.

    81. Lollysmum says:

      It’s not the kilted scotsman with a claymore they have to worry about.

      It’s a ‘wee Scots lassie wi a tin helmet’ that’s doing all the damage.

      Go Nicola 🙂

    82. almannysbunnet says:

      “The SNP’s economic plan will have a devastating effect on Scotland” says Ed Milliband. No Ed, independence will have a devastating effect on England and well you know it. You will just have to learn to stand on your own two feet. 🙂

    83. ronnie anderson says:

      Urent we the lucky Peoples Two Shouty Mens of the Red Tory variety Mathison / Murphy.

    84. Joemcg says:

      Rev’s Rat’s? Does that make Stu the pied piper? Hopefully leading us to nirvana though!

    85. heedtracker says:

      Rancid Graun/Libby Carrell go a bit limp on their vote Murphy oe else whining

      ” Signalling a dramatic switch to far more aggressive attacks on Scottish National party policy, the Labour leader challenged Scotland’s first minister to disclose which areas of spending she would cut and which taxes would rise to fill that “black hole”.

      He said: “I will never sell Scotland short by signing up to the SNP’s plans and I will never sell Britain short by giving up on the pooling and sharing of resources.”

      I’d have at least a wee bit of respect if just one of all the rule britannia lot would just say out loud, “there is no way in hell we are giving up control of our North Sea oil and gas industry to Scotland. It’s ours and the Scots can like it or lump it.”

      The more maniacal Vote SLabour types are still bashing on about their trillion million gazillion barrel oil find under Gatwick but that’s all about desperation. Why are you not pumping out these giants wells now teamGB?

    86. Bob Mack says:

      How about cyber sepe Rat ist.

    87. manandboy says:

      When Al Gore began his campaign to educate the world
      about climate change and it’s consequences, he said,
      ‘It’s hard for a worker in the fossil fuels industries
      to quit,
      when his next mortgage payment depends on staying on the job.’

      Every Unionist MP depends on the Union remaining intact
      in order for him or her to make the next mortgage payment.

      Every Scottish Unionist politician is, to a greater or lesser degree,
      in the same position.

      They are all locked into the Union –
      as are so many people living in Scotland,
      especially those who have retired here from England,
      or who work here for English companies.

      If it were possible to offer every No voter
      2 or 3 million pounds to vote for Independence
      they would jump at the chance –
      with your hand in their mouth.
      .

      This next bit is the bee in my bunnett.
      Will the SNP Gov please start to be ‘creative’
      with the pensioners so that they can feel secure
      in an Independent Scotland.

      The pensioner block of voters is set to increase
      over the next 20 years from around 750,000
      to about 1.2 million.

      If I promised Scottish pensioners the level of pensions and care which they have in Norway,
      I would win Independence single-handed.

      If they don’t feel secure about their pension,
      their winter heating, and their care package,
      they’ll never vote Yes,
      and Independence will be a pipe dream.

      Support Nicola

      vote SNP and join SNP.

    88. Macnakamura says:

      Putin legislates to block another referendum in Crimea.
      Ed says, “Fair enough !”
      Aye right.

      Referendum majority votes to take UK out of EU.
      Ed says, “Fair enough! ”
      Aye right.

      (In fact, when any popular vote has thwarted EU desires it was made clear that there would be more referenda until the populace came to their senses.)

      Ed may not be much of a Socialist but he does have a wee touch of Stalinism.

    89. arthur thomson says:

      Heard report that Milliband reckons that if there is FFA there is a ‘black hole’ in Scotland’s accounts and how are SNP going fix it. A good response from Nicola but more needs to be said. Implication of unionist parties statements is that the Scots are living off the backs of rUK. They need to be told LOUD AND CLEAR that Scotland does not want or need their largesse and we definitely don’t believe Scotland has been receiving any.

      Yes we should be pushing for FFA.

    90. dakk says:

      Lolliesmum

      Lol, nice one 🙂

    91. Cag-does-thinking says:

      Am I the only one to find it a bit odd that Labour that are out on the hustings on Full Fiscal Autonomy considering it would need to be proposed by Westminster for us to get it and errm presumably it would have to be given to us by Labour? The merits or otherwise are secondary if there is no mechanism to get it.

      Despite spending all yesterday on about Trident nobody in the media has had the temerity to ask if we can afford it and whether or not our good buddies i the US of A would lend us some free if we didn’t have it? there did seem to be the merest hint that some of the technology bit for Trident comes from the USA and isn’t actually ready, hence the delay thus far in procurement.

    92. heedtracker says:

      BBC r4 news on the hour now Morphy/Miliband headlining Edinburgh speech, “vote SNP and Scottish pensioners will be removed from UK pension.” Just when you think the BBC cant get any more biased or lie any harder too.

      All the BBC reprobates coming up with all this level of vote SLabour propaganda must think they cant lose, if they Project Fear Scots pensioners again, like the way they did in their anti independence campaigning. Hope not:-(

    93. manandboy says:

      Miliband said: “No, this was settled. Everybody said before the referendum that this was a once in a generation decision. You can’t move the goalposts after the result.

      Ed’s making stuff up again!

    94. Dr Jim says:

      Last year we had the three Amigos, this year we’ve got the

      Marx Brothers…without any jokes
      Different team, same message, “Yur awe doomed ah tell ye doomed”

      If Scotland falls for this shit again i think i’ll totally despair for the continuing stupidity of the folk of this country
      Except for the deliberately self serving lot of course who will attract my total disgust

      How obvious can you get “We do not want Scotland to have any more powers than it already has”
      They said it, they meant it, they’ll stuff us at the first available opportunity

      I’m off for a walk before my eyes boggle and i start shouting….Aaargh!!!

    95. Luigi says:

      heedtracker says:
      10 April, 2015 at 3:09 pm

      BBC r4 news on the hour now Morphy/Miliband headlining Edinburgh speech, “vote SNP and Scottish pensioners will be removed from UK pension.” Just when you think the BBC cant get any more biased or lie any harder too.

      All the BBC reprobates coming up with all this level of vote SLabour propaganda must think they cant lose, if they Project Fear Scots pensioners again, like the way they did in their anti independence campaigning. Hope not:-(

      No point in us moaning about it. The BBC will do what the BBC do. Asking the BBC to play fair is like expecting a bear not to shit in the woods. What we have to do is hit the streets, visit the old folks homes, speak to pensioners. One to one conversations. Reassure them. It’s the only way we are going to win over this particular demographic.

    96. Edward says:

      I see in the Courier that former Dundee East MP, Jim McGovern and his wife were asked to leave a Dundee pub last night due to Jim McGovern being abusive to staff.

      Is this what we should expect more of after May 7th from former Labour MP’s?

      http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/local/dundee/former-dundee-mp-jim-mcgovern-told-to-leave-city-bar-after-alleged-confrontation-with-staff-1.862552

    97. Andy-B says:

      Absolutely sublime Rev,that’s Murphy down to a tee,bravo.

    98. Edward says:

      Just to add to the Jim McGovern story

      McGovern claimed “he had called the police after a confrontation with a man “acting very strangely””

      However……” “Wetherspoon can confirm that two customers, one male and one female, were asked to leave The Counting House, in Dundee, on Thursday night.

      “They were being rude and aggressive towards the staff at the pub.”

      Shame that someone that kept a low profile is now being abusive to bar staff in a Dundee pub

    99. GignerNinja says:

      http://www.debtbombshell.com/britains-budget-deficit.htm

      All this rubbish about the 7 billion debt is really doing my head in. The rUk debt black hole was £170 billion last year and if you even take scotland as a percentage of population per head it is half of that of the rUK. We all knew we spend more than we bring in but we have half of the rUK. fed up with people in England saying they fund us when it is complete b@llocks.

    100. Macnakamura says:

      Edward says:
      10 April, 2015 at 3:27 pm
      Just to add to the Jim McGovern story

      McGovern claimed “he had called the police after a confrontation with a man “acting very strangely”
      ::::::::::::::::
      Does that pub have a mirror?

    101. izzie says:

      Perhaps they were ‘tired and emotional’

    102. Will McEwan says:

      arthur thomson at 2.59
      Only independence actually gives FFA and I’m sure this will be made very clear after we have wiped out our remaining enemies very shortly

    103. icyspark says:

      More lies from the BBC.

      Near the bottom of the story.

      “The SNP, which has called for modest rises in UK spending in the next Parliament, has said it is prepared to support a Labour government on a “vote-by-vote” basis, if Ed Miliband’s party wins the greater number of seats in the Commons, but not an overall majority.”

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32249753

    104. Proud Cybernat says:

      They threatened to bomb our airports.
      They threatened our pensioners with losing their pension.
      They told us our economy was a basket case.
      They said we couldn’t use ‘their’ pound.
      They said the ten plagues of Egypt would descend upon us with a YES vote.
      They said our jobs would go south with banks and Tescos.
      They said their would be barbed wire fences and gun towers at the border.
      They said we’d be chucked out of Europe and wouldn’t be allowed back.
      They said we’d be a target for terrorists.
      They said all of these terrible things and more would befall us…

      And still…

      Still…

      A magnificent 45% of us stood tall and steadfast and told them where they could shove their fears and their smears. We would not be cowed or bullied by Unionist troughers. Not then, not now.

      We will not falter in the face of their latest attempts. We’ve heard it all before. The 45% ARE NOT FEART and WILL NOT WAVER.

      And that their Project Fear Mk II will fail as dismally as their first attempt is what terrifies them. The 45% will not flinch.

      Keep the faith and we will win–Scotland will win.

    105. Joemcg says:

      SNP will have to answer this pension threat toot suite or we are gonna lose votes.

    106. Alastair says:

      Why all this nonsense about a black holes.
      The Smith Report -which all parties have signed up to quite clearly states

      “The Barnett Formula will continue to be used to determine the remaining block grant. New rules to define how it will be adjusted at the point when powers are transferred and thereafter will be agreed by the Scottish and UK Governments and put in place prior to the powers coming into force. These rules will ensure that neither the Scottish nor UK Governments will lose or gain financially from the act of transferring a power.”

      Am I missing something?

    107. Marie clark says:

      why all this black hole and I will block another referendum crap.

      A. we are fighting a general election allegedly. B. it is just deflection, don’t argue about it. Get stuck into what is relevant now.

      Vote for a party who will look after Scotland’s interest and that is definitely aint any unionist party.

    108. galamcennalath says:

      Lesley-Anne

      Does that make the other lot BratNats ? 🙂

    109. lumilumi says:

      @ CameronB (1.21, 2.27, 2.39)

      Sorry, can’t comment on the National either as I don’t do facebook either.

      I think that Patrick Harvie is one of the outstanding politicians in Scotland ATM. I don’t know much about the “global green movement” or its alleged communist appratchiks.

      In Finland, the Green movement started as a nature conservation thing and won their first 2 MPs (in a 200-member parliament) in 1983. Since then they’ve evolved to a real party with policies on all areas.

      Their emergence has forced other parties to become at least superficially more “green”. The main lefty party is now actually quite green as well. Our UKIP-style party derides the lefty-greenies…

      There are still “beardy weirdies” in the party, but politically they’re pro-EU, centre, left-leaning (which would be “far left” to the UK MSM). They advocate a fullscale reform of our complex welfare system and a basic income but they’re also quite pro-small business and critical of “socialism”.

      I don’t agree with all their policies but vote for them because they represent a voice (environment, tolerance etc.) that needs to be heard in parliament and government.

      One of my favourite politicians ever is “the little green man” as he was called, Osmo Soininvaara, who used to be the leader of the Greens in Finland. The little hair he had left flying in all directions a la Prof Curtice, facts at his fingertips, an academic and a statistician by profession, enthusiastic cyclist – he cycled to work even when a government minister, AND didn’t have a limo trailing behind him with his briefcase, like some UK photo-op “cyclist” ministers.

      Our GE is on 19 April, advance voting is already underway in schools, libraries, post offices, shopping malls and even “polling buses” all over the country – no postal votes, you have to do it in person and present ID.

      Today I found 9 election leaflets/flyers/cards/”newspapers” from 4 different parties (not Greens) in my letterbox – all straight into the paper recycling bin. It’s been like that for the past week or so.

      The Greens are the only ones who’ve even raised the issue of TTIP so get my vote. I’ve had email exchanges with some local candidates (in our PR system each party has a number of candidates in a geographically large multi-member constituency and you vote for the actual candidate but the votes go toward the party list, which is ranked according to votes) and will probably cast my vote tomorrow.

      Sorry for the long post.

    110. Robert Kerr says:

      Remind everyone that this a General Election only.

      Not a Nation forming Referendum.

      Vote SNP. It’s the best deal for Scotland in four weeks.

      Remember Labour’s feeble forty and what they did to protect Scotland!

    111. Jim says:

      Mealer says:
      Jim speaks in a quiet voice and scares the bejesus out of folk with his creepiness,punctuated with outbursts of aggressive shouting at folk.
      ______
      Murphy talks in a monodrone voice and bores the hell out of me not forgeting the fact that he has no policies other than, you want alcohol I got alcohol, you want £1000 each, here, have my wallet, the milky bars are on me.

      Murphy uses the women, children, pensioners and the mentally ill card as if to show he is compassionate when he wouldn’t know compassion if it hit him in the face.

      Where was this compassion for the 500,000 Iraqis who died as a result of an illegal intervention. What about the millions that have been displaced possibly never to go home.

      No one wants you or your right wing apologists here Jim Murphy so don’t let the door hit your arses on the way out.

    112. galamcennalath says:

      Proud Cybernat says:

      “The 45% will not flinch”

      If the YouGov poll is to be believed it could be the 49% 🙂

      More than Lab, Con and LibDem combined. Magic!

      Would hoping for over 50% be too much? That would be a symbolic number, for sure.

    113. Jim Thomson says:

      @Alastair 4:01pm

      yup, you are missing something … the Smith cobblers is only a series of recommendations. It is highly unlikely that any of them will squeeze through the next parliament UNLESS the SNP holds sway.

    114. Helena Brown says:

      Robert Kerr, I can do one better I remember the feeble fifty in the days before we were reduced to 59 MPs. Labour were useless during the days of Thatcher and they are useless now.
      I will have words with anyone who says I am a member of a cult as well, you have to be brain dead to do that. none here are that and that is the problem for Duncan Hothersall, who I think is kind of creepy as well.

    115. Socrates MacSporran says:

      Am I the only one to be disgusted at the Herald’s take on the You.gov poll?

      They are leading-on and heavily emphasising the Labour lead over the Tories over the UK as a whole, but making little or no comment about the rise in support for the SNP up here, and the way that party has further increased its lead over Labour in Scotland.

      All very well one of the London-based “national” papers going down that road, but, a bit off for the Herald, which is no longer classed as a “national” (circulated UK-wide) paper, but as a “regional” one; albeit circulating across a “region” which is one of the constituent nations within the UK.

    116. Quentin Quale says:

      @Dr Jim – steady on! Labour don’t know the meaning of Marxism, either of the Brothers or the Karl variety anymore. Although Murphy does sound a bit like Harpo’s horn honking.

    117. Vince says:

      Westminster, thanks for creating an economy that will have a £7 Billion black hole in it. Yes, that’s what the Westminster parties/system has done for us.

      By the way, it is Westminster’s accounting/system that says this, so it may not be true!!!

      But if it is, how dare they shout it from the rooftops as some badge of pride insisting that we must continue to vote for the parties who created it or things will get worse. They should be ashamed of themselves but guilt and integrity do not exist in their shoddy world.

    118. lumilumi says:

      Alastair @4.01pm

      Why all this nonsense about a black holes.
      The Smith Report -which all parties have signed up to quite clearly states

      “The Barnett Formula will continue to be used to determine the remaining block grant. New rules to define how it will be adjusted at the point when powers are transferred and thereafter will be agreed by the Scottish and UK Governments and put in place prior to the powers coming into force. These rules will ensure that neither the Scottish nor UK Governments will lose or gain financially from the act of transferring a power.”

      Am I missing something?

      Yes.

      They either a) didn’t mean it when they signed the Smith commission, or b) it’s just scaremongering to corral voters back into the unionist pens.

    119. Helena Brown says:

      Read this today, if Scotland would make a financial mess of FFA, why not let us try. Could it be they know we wouldn’t?

    120. CameronB Brodie says:

      lumilumi
      Thanks for the response. 😉

      I also have green leanings, but am just not happy with the predominantly Fabian (Liberal Democrat) definition of sustainability, which I see as a ‘rearguard’ in defense of the Establishment.

      My concern re. Communist infiltration, is the sham support this give to deep-green philosophy, which I think will ultimately undermine the potential for the ‘green movement’ to achieve widespread acceptance. IMHO, ‘anti-capitalism’ does not equate to ‘green’.

      I do not support a carbon tax, which I see as unavoidable regressive.

      http://www.fabians.org.uk/living-standards-and-sustainability-the-green-economy/

    121. Robert Peffers says:

      @Marcia says: 10 April, 2015 at 12:36 pm:

      “Rats are intelligent.”

      Yeah! Highly so, and they too always get a bad press.

      ;

      Joemcg

      Rats are intelligent.

    122. JLT says:

      LOL ‘…a homicidal maniac with a claymore and a kilt to get the better of me!’

      Well, that’ll be roughly 2 million Scots then…

    123. Muscleguy says:

      Oh dear, Jim got ‘tired and emotional’ in a Wetherspoons no less. I shouldn’t mock, Wetherspoons have the best prices on real ale on tap around and their apple crumble is gluten free.

    124. Papadox says:

      Threatening to prevent the SCOTS from having another referendum when they demand it mmm!

      you should think Edd before opening mouth. You try to frighten the elderly regarding pensions and NHS (Scotland) which is zero to do with WESTMINSTER.

      The 3 amoebas that were up in Embara today to terrorise and frighten their beloved elderly voters.

      You lot have the morals of a slug and absolutely no backbone. Reprehensible thugs and con artists.

      Unionist scum.

    125. Macart says:

      Yep, it appears the public disagree with both the media and their pundits. 😀

    126. gus1940 says:

      Re this alleged £7.6Billion Deficit here are a couple of things to ponder and comment on:-

      In the last few years nearly evry household in Scotland will have purchased a nice shiny Flat Screen TV.

      As far as I am aware none of said TVs will have been made in The UK or for that matter in The EU.

      Every single one will have come out of a container at Felixtowe or Southampton and the Import Duty will have been charged at that point and deposited straight to HM Treasury but will have formed part of the price paid by the purchaser in Scotland. Needless to say not a penny of that will have figured in the tax take from Scotland.

      Similarly said Scottish purchaser will have paid 20% VAT as part of the price but the only VAT credited to Scotland will be 20% of the mark up between what the retailer paid for the TV and the ultimate selling price.

      Even that small amount may not be credited as Tax Paid in Scotland if the retailer is UK headquartered and doesn’t make separate VAT returns for its Scottish sales.

      Another whopper although it is more historical is Council House Sales.

      Ever since Thatcher introduced Right to Buy in the 80s every penny from said sales has gone straight to HM Treasury. If ever there was an Asset Stripping Oeration from Scotland that must be the champion given that the majority of Scots lived in rented LA properties prior to Right to Buy.

      Tens of thousands of Council Houses have been sold and the amount stolen from Scotland over the years must be huge – has anybody ever established how much?

    127. Lesley-Anne says:

      galamcennalath says:

      Lesley-Anne

      Does that make the other lot BratNats ? 🙂

      They should be so lucky galamcennalath. 😉

      The other lot are just simple minded, brain dead BRATS! 😀

    128. JLT says:

      Gus1940

      Re this alleged £7.6Billion Deficit here are a couple of things to ponder and comment on

      That’s probably true, Gus, or certainly, there are elements within your theories there that are probably correct.

    129. YESGUY says:

      This big black hole of about 7 BILLION

      Question – Who put Scotland into this debt…???

      You bastards in Westminster have ruined our economy and you leave a huge mess and blame SNP for it ????

      WM has failed Scotland. If we are a basket case who’s fault is it ?????

      Liars,thieves,warmongering tossers.

      Roll on May and watch their world fall apart. Oh the joy

    130. Cadogan Enright says:

      this won’t come up on my PC on either google or explorer

    131. Jim Thomson says:

      More to the point, why do they still want to continue paying us 7.6Bn that we obviously need to survive?

      Mybe it’s because they get shit loads more out of us than the 7.6Bn?

      If we are such a screaming basket case – just cut us adrift and let us sink … PLEASE!

    132. Ken500 says:

      The bookies will not take bets on SNP no of seats (over 43.5) at evens over £25 – Coral

      William Hill says there are no betting on no of SNP seats, even though it is advertised on their website. They took any amounts for the Referendum, once they were tipped off it was likely NO

    133. gordoz says:

      Socrates MacSporran

      As long as Gardham & Settle remain – few will read the Herald.

      Simple as that.

    134. Robert Louis @ 1:23 ‘are you ready to drink hemlock yet’?

      … Especially if they said ‘yes’



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