In your media today
We’ve noted on more than one occasion that the spectacular SNP surge since the referendum appears to have completely unhinged much of the Scottish and UK press. Having pumped out a vast avalanche of hysterical coverage which utterly failed to stop the Scottish electorate returning 56 SNPs out of 59, the papers have responded to the rebuff by simply turning the volume up.
But even by those standards, today has been special.
The big (non-) story of the day is the allegation, carried on the front pages of the Daily Express, the Times, and the Telegraph, and also featured prominently in the Guardian and the Daily Mail, that the Scottish Government are planning to slash funding for the Queen when partial control of the Crown Estates is handed to Holyrood under the new Scotland Bill (or whatever’s left of it if and when it finally passes).
The only slight problem with the story was that it was (a) more than six months old, and (b) complete rubbish. It had been comprehensively dismantled last December by author and land-rights expert Andy Wightman for Bella Caledonia, after having been first raised in the Mail on Sunday earlier that month.
A Buzzfeed article today concisely reiterated all the reasons why the claim was utter nonsense, including a categorical denial from the UK Treasury, which said “Scottish taxpayers will continue to fund a full and fair share of the Sovereign Grant, paid via the Consolidated Fund”.
It’s not yet clear why an ancient, discredited story should suddenly resurface in so many newspapers without any new developments having taken place, but the Times took it seriously enough to print an extraordinary editorial leader luridly depicting the Scottish Government’s (non-) position as an “insurrection” and a “rebellion”.
Meanwhile, the Telegraph – seemingly undaunted by what happened the last time it ran a smear story on Nicola Sturgeon without bothering to check the facts first – got Channel 4 News presenter Cathy Newman to pen a spin-off piece attacking the FM with a series of inaccurate claims, including that:
When Sturgeon took to Twitter pointing out that she’d done no such thing (and that there were no plans whatsoever to cut the royal grant), Newman stuck to her guns and refused to correct the errors:
Meanwhile, in addition to carrying the bogus Crown Estates story, the Scottish Daily Mail was also assaulting the First Minister on a different front, during one of its regular ejaculations of outrage against the Vile Cybernats (tm).
The “LINKS WITH VILE CYBERNAT TROLLS” emblazoned in giant text on the front cover turned out to be that she’d once met someone at an event almost a year ago, they’d tweeted a “Nice to have met you” message to her and she’d sent back a single five-word tweet in reply saying the same thing, but scandalously without having scrutinised the person’s entire Twitter history first just in case they’d ever said anything rude to anyone (which it turned out they had).
The Mail decided to then back this up with a tour de force of drivel from former Labour MP Margaret Curran, containing a stream of unsupported smears and slurs – including a direct lie about this site – in which Curran asserted that she’d been the victim of a campaign of abuse during the election that was rooted in sexism and misogyny, seemingly oblivious to the fact that the beneficiary of all this sexist misogyny, SNP candidate Natalie McGarry, was, er, also a woman.
(It would take us all day to list the mistruths and hypocrisies in Curran’s article. She oddly forgot to mention her own comments that were Alex Salmond to be run down by a bus she wouldn’t inquire as to the name of the driver, and while complaining about being filmed by SNP supporters it seemingly escaped her memory that McGarry had in a 2014 by-election been targeted by sinister Labour activists who tweeted the address of the place in the constituency where she was sleeping.)
As all this was going on, the Daily Record, which professes itself to be “Scotland’s Champion”, was carrying an article on its website about the magic of fracking.
“Shale gas could help reinvigorate and rebalance the economy. This could be particularly beneficial in Scotland, where shale gas extraction could replace jobs and tax revenues lost as North Sea oil production declines”, it gushed, going on to add that fracking for it was “an opportunity that Scotland and the rest of the UK cannot afford to overlook”.
Only attentive readers would have noticed the very small line in the location bar at the top of the page indicating what had brought on this burst of enthusiasm:
It’s been quite a day. We await the CYBERNAT WEB OF HATE with bated breath.
“Insurrection” and “rebellion?” What year is it? 1295?
It kinda makes me wonder what they’ve hiding with all this crap today, what sneaky thing have contrived and launched using this blizzard o pish to cover it up
@Rev Stu
We’ve noted on more than one occasion that the spectacular SNP surge since the referendum appears to have completely unhinged much of the Scottish and UK press. Having pumped out a vast avalanche of hysterical coverage which utterly failed to stop the Scottish electorate returning 56 SNPs out of 59, the papers have responded to the rebuff by simply turning the volume up.
This sums it all up. What are the MSM trying to achieve with this garbage? They are only damaging their own credibility with their lies, fabrications, and laughable misrepresentations.
As for Margaret Curran, she is acting no differently to when she was an elected rep. Same old smears, lies, rank hypocrisy. I cannot think of a politician offhand who almost never discusses political issues. I don’t know who is worse at repeating the same old tired tactics, the MSM or unionist politicians like Curran. One trick ponies the lot of them.
This campaign of hate must be exposed to the Scottish public who don’t have internet and who don’t read Wings. Would a Ministerial TV and radio Broadcast by a Scottish Government Minister or leader of the SNP in Westminster be useful to get the truth before the public?
Curran has some nerve. I distinctly remember Natalie McGarry being on the receiving end of a fair load of abuse from Labour activists during the election campaign. Labour – especially in that neck of the woods – has a reputation of fighting dirty, and they certainly lived up to it in Curran’s constituency.
Sorry, Curran’s *FORMER* constituency.
But hey, accusing your opponent of the thing you’re guilty of is probably the first rule in the unionist handbook…
Congratulations on the media on its attempts to try and make the monarchy as popular as the union in Scotland, though. Hopefully they’ll be just as effective.
[…] We’ve noted on more than one occasion that the spectacular SNP surge since the referendum appears to have completely unhinged much of the Scottish and UK press. Having pumped out a vast avalanche of hysterical coverage which utterly failed to stop the Scottish electorate returning 56 SNPs out of 59, the papers have responded to the rebuff by simply turning the volume up. […]
Margaret Curran is wrong about the 40,000 followers on this site. I’m sure it is much higher than that.
But what about the rest of the quote?
“My husband was furious when Wings Over Scotland – with over 40,000 followers – said I should only be believed when my tongue had been ‘cut from my cold, dead mouth’.”
I googled the phrase she used in quotes and the only results were her own Daily Mail article and sites on dental hygiene.
The UK is media is totally out of control.
Who is directing them, as make no mistake all this is being orchestrated, but to what purpose?
The Unionists nonsense. Do they never learn?
Cameron is a total lying Conman
Could the narrative being set is that ‘we’ are better rid of those horrible Scots? It is ‘our’ choice to let them go.
It wouldn’t be cricket if the Scots actually chose to leave themselves.
Could this is be a diversionary tactic?
Is the Smith Agreement on the Crown Estate is being delivered by the Scotland Bill?
A rather surprising, if complicated, article on the subject
link to andywightman.com
Thanks Stu for wading through this shit so we don’t have to 🙂
(Scotland’s true ‘champion’)
The MSM are very scared and angry. It’s clear that the Scotland Bill is not even a pig in a poke and all this guff is targeted at the NO voters to divert them from the current failings of Tory Govt, Ruth’s spectacular failure in the GE, Labour Party ineffectiveness and Mr Carmichael’s pending issues. I’ve got news for them, it ain’t working.
The Daily Record article sponsored by INEOS is interesting, what is the Paper’s own view, I wonder?
Dreadful journalism by Cathy Newman. Another case of not checking the facts and opening gob. You would think any journalist worth their salt would research the facts first…..
Why should our FM pay ‘generous tribute’ to the Queen? Embarrassing, cringe-worthy sycophantic journalism. It makes my skin crawl.
You would think she would have learned after tweeting her ‘poorly worded’ mosque visit earlier this year. Take another break, Cathy. Sounds like you need it.
It’s surely no coincidence that this latest attacks on Nicola Sturgeon came the day after the Scottish Government put forward its proposals for Land Reform in Scotland, with the owner of the Daily Mail one of those landowners affected.
Forelock tugging world champ that one “pay generous tribute!” kiss the hem Nicola,kiss the hem.
You weren’t quite sure of the reason for the rehashing of an old discredited story today, Stu.
My sources reliably inform me it was placed at the behest of courtiers acting on behalf of our esteemed House of Windsor – who are, of course, above politics – and designed to:
– Warn the SNP not to even dream of messing with the royals if and when the Crown Estates are devolved
– Deflect any discussion or public scrutiny on their income which has, in fact, risen by a couple of million (at least)and set to rise further as Her Majesty’s Government sets about slashing £12bn of support to the poorest and most vulnerable in our society
– Lay the groundwork for a “poor royals” campaign as they push for £150m (and the rest) from the public purse to restore ugly monstrosity Buck House, possibly slipping in the back door of the several billions of your taxes about to be committed to the crumbling, grandoise, urine-soaked “symbol of democracy” that is the Palace of Westminster.
Today has seen an onslaught of anti-Scottish, anti-SNP, anti-Sturgeon invective on social media, instigated by toadies and regurgitated by serfs.
And they call the SNP a cult.
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It may be no coincidence that the story was given to the papers by the palace source on the same day that Nicola Sturgeon was meeting Prince Charles.
Given that there appears to be no love lost between Buck House and Clarence House communications people, link to archive.is it’s possible to see the leak as an unpleasant piece of spin attempting to put the freezers on relations between the Scottish govt & the heir to the throne.
Juteman, I think that’s it. The plan must be to convince rUK voters that we are to be ejected so that the Tories can present themselves as doing what voters there ask rather than “failing to hold on to us”. The use of the Times, Telegraph, Mail and Express screams Tory spin.
It’s surely no coincidence that this latest Tory media attacks on Nicola Sturgeon came only the day after the Scottish Government put forward its proposals for Land Reform in Scotland, with the owner of the Daily Mail one of those landowners affected by the tax and ownership implications.
Personally I wwould get rid of the whole lot of those free-loading royal leeches. Meantime the less we pay them the better.
Auld Rock
It saddens me, that by buying these bile filled rags, Scotland’s people are stumping up their hard earned cash just to be lied to.
Daily Mail readers think Nicola Sturgeon should be shot, hanged, burnt and dumped on ISIS. These sexist and abusive comments have been up on the CURRAN APPROVED NEWS SITE OF HATE for three months and Alan Roden has done absolutely nothing about it.
link to 3.bp.blogspot.com
Oh look!
Alan Roden @AlanRoden
Probably the most tasteless Tweet I’ve had sent my way today…
“I believe the word minion should be transposed for ‘scum for hire’ as @AlanRoden has the morals of an IS hangman…”
1:07 PM – 24 Jun 2015
See how it feels, Alan.
Ref the *non* story about paying towards Her Maj’s funds. Is this perchance, the same Cathy Newman who did a C4 story that she was bundled out of a Mosque, refused entry……until CCTV proved her to be a liar? Surely not same person !!!
“Figures released by Buckingham Palace showed the sovereign grant was £35.7m for the second year running.”
Source: STV – link to tinyurl.com
Assuming all of the grant was used, then the Queen of England spent £97,808 per day to keep herself & her family in the style to which they have become dutifully accustomed.
If the First Minister or indeed anyone else proposes to withdraw Scotland’s share of this Royal housing benefit, they will receive my full support.
Perhaps the Queen of England might care to consider the placement into auction of at least a couple of priceless paintings instead of taking money from the taxpayer?
There are plenty of rich pickings to be had right here … link to royalcollection.org.uk
The editor of The Times, John Witherow, who presumably wrote that laughable accusation of sedition, seems to have form on that score:
“Witherow was made acting editor (of the Sunday Times) after the departure of Andrew Neil in 1994 and confirmed in the job the following year. His reputation suffered early in his editorship after the publication of false claims that Labour politician Michael Foot was a KGB agent.”
link to en.wikipedia.org
Steve Bowers says:
24 June, 2015 at 2:43 pm
It kinda makes me wonder what they’ve hiding with all this crap today, what sneaky thing have contrived and launched using this blizzard o pish to cover it up
I think the press barons have gone a bit apoplectic about the land reform legislation – no more tax exemption for their (or their chums) shooting estates. The generous private playground benefits, awarded by John Major 20 years ago, are at risk.
Sadly, because of the way in which they are doing it, the massed ranks of unionists are destroying any hope they may harbour that the Union can continue for decades to come.
Oh look peeps it’s another slow news day. Apparently there is no more news to bleat on about concerning Greece and will they or won’t they leave Euro … what’s a unionist paper to do with itself?
Looks like it’s all back to the drawing board folks. Let’s see who can come up with the best anti S.N.P./Nicola Sturgeon/ Cybernat/AlexSalmond story. This should be good for a few days worth of antagonising those vile Scocthy types hiding under the rocks up in Northy Britannia!
Oh I added Alex into the mix because apparently the London Evening Standard has been found complaining about the fact that he has been speaking in the House of Commons 124 times since the General Election! 😀
OOH!
The nerve of that man!
How dare he speak so many times.
If we are not careful all those other North British politico’s will want to get in on this despicable act as well!
I think the English media has done more to alienate me from England than even their politicians. Now I only care about the possible consequences of their rabble-rousing behaviour.
Incidentally, the Smith Agreement was for the Crown Estate to be fully devolved. Another dilution in the draft Scotland Bill.
If we leave the Yookay it’s an insult to the English but if they feel they got rid of us then they are wise and the winners, because we are such moaners
Keep it up Mr Cameron and Buddies, Good Job!!
I still believe this is all deliberate and a convenient ploy by both Governments to satisfy everybody’s sensibilities
A complete SNP vote and wipe out of opposition at the Holyrood Election may lead to a simple but (Pretendy) acrimonious dissolution of the Union (No need for Referendum)
We get what we want Davie Cameron looks like a tough guy for saving England from that terrible Scottish woman
what’s not to like
And Davie’s “R United Kingdom” sails on unbroken and undamaged
It seems that the shock/denial of May 7th is gradually dissipating, and a number of unionists are entering the anger stage. Stay cool folks, let them rant and eventually they will enter the bargaining stage. IMO they will offer FFA as a last resort at some stage, but by then it will be too late, many years too late.
Kluber-Ross model (five stages of grief):
1. Denial (well, May 7th was a bit of a shock!)
2. Anger (only started – you ain’t seen nothing yet)
3. Bargaining (some progress at last)
4. Depression (my heart bleeds!)
5. Acceptance (sometime in the not too distant future)
I am proud to be a rebel.
Cathy Newman didn’t even bother to do the most basic of journalistic factchecking for her attack ‘piece’. Pathetic.
I certainly won’t believe a word of what Cathy Newman says from now on unless it’s backed up by an actual reputable journalist who knows how to factcheck and cover the basics on a story.
As for the rest of the unionist media smears, they’re panicking again.
It certainly didn’t help them before the election and it won’t help them now.
All it does it erode the already paper-thin trust the public has in the press and media as they become more and more hysterical and desperate.
The more lies they get caught telling the easier they make the SNP and Nicola’s job in convincing the scottish public to ditch the corrupt and sleazy westmisnter establishment and it’s vile poodles in the press. 🙂
Just read this over on Twitter. 😉
Arbroath1320 ?@0604Arb1320 32m32 minutes ago
so Buckie palace is in a state of disrepair and wee Lizzie will have to move out that’s a shame still I’ve a tent she can use if she wants!
Absolutely BRILLIANT if you ask me. 😀 😀 😀
What’s even better is that it got read out on SKY News apparently! 😀 😀 😀
Those nasty cybernattery types get absolutely everywhere these days! 😀 😀 😀
Andrew Neil was on about the Crown Estate nonsense at lunchtime. Consensus from politicians present, appeared to be SNPreallybaddisloyaltreasonousminions who should be hung drawn and eighthed (just to make the point).
Folks, there must be a reason this barrage of anti Scottish, anti SNP and anti Sturgeon headlines have come out?
Think deep.
What are the establishment trying to cover up or hide?
Perhaps something breaking later today or tomorrow that they want to divert our attention from?
Janner? More paedos uncovered? Tory kiddy fiddler? Think folks.
Remember, they only ever do this when there’s something to hide.
Diversion. Diversion, diversion.
The Tory Telegraph, Mail etc continue to spout the usual guff. But it is orchestrated so it is really just a diversionary tactic to cover up the lies made over “The Vow” and the forthcoming reduction in our budget. Maybe HM Queenie the first could give us a loan. I believe despite a pensioner she and her ilk have never needed a tin of beans (approved by HM govt) to feed her weans. She has no need to travel Megabus as the public school minions do it all for her.
Channel 4 has been quite anti snp and Scotland. It is also a broadcaster which seems to jump at Westminster’s behest. Sad really.
Cathy Newman didn’t even bother to do the most basic of journalistic factchecking for her attack ‘piece’. Pathetic.
I certainly won’t believe a word of what Cathy Newman says from now on unless it’s backed up by an actual reputable journalist who knows how to factcheck and cover the basics on a story.
As for the rest of the unionist media smears, they’re panicking again.
It certainly didn’t help them before the election and it won’t help them now!
All it does it erode the already paper-thin trust the public has in the press and media as they become more and more hysterical and desperate.
The more lies they get caught telling the easier they make the SNP and Nicola’s job in convincing the scottish public to ditch the corrupt and sleazy westmisnter establishment and it’s vile poodles in the press. 🙂
Margaret Curran and the Daily Mail – made for each other.
Maybe it’s time for insurrection and rebellion, just to remind them what that actually means.
The way we are being hounded by the press and MSM it’s a wonder that their isn’t a major rebellion.
I can’t remember who it was, but someone, in response to Margaret Curran saying SNP supporters were filming her, asked Margaret how she knew they were SNP supporters.
It’s very annoying when prominent Twitter users put out rubbish yet never respond to people who raise valid points – they probably justify that by saying they’re not feeding the trolls (oh the irony!).
The price for the Naw vote just keeps going up and up. I am feeling in need of a shower again after viewing the above hate.
Rebellious. Seditious. Traitorus. Republican.
It seems we are being tarnished with all these terms …and yet, as much as none of these terms actually do apply to me (I’m fairly royalist) …I don’t know if I should be insulted or chuffed …hmmmm….
Iain Gray’s Subway Lament says:
24 June, 2015 at 3:59 pm
Cathy Newman didn’t even bother to do the most basic of journalistic factchecking for her attack ‘piece’. Pathetic.
It’s called the Unionistic Licence
If it fits the “SNP bad” narrative, it must be true, right?
Perhaps the Queen should tell the MSM to “think carefully” what they print (unless she agrees with it).
It’s a concentrated effort by the media and its fellow travellers like Rowland, Curran et al to disparage the SNP because they are smarting badly about no-one taking a blind bit of notice of them during GE 15 and Indyref campaigns.
The media and its hired curs DO NOT LIKE BEING IGNORED.
Good grief. The old meeja have fairly got their knickers in a twist. What do you think has upset them to this degree?
It might be the land reform bill, long overdue in my opinion Why drag up a sixth month old story about Mrs Windsor. If the SG did decide to stop payment I would be 100% with them.
Maybe Luigi has it right, they are just working their way through their grief and are just at the angry stage. I really have no idea what it is that they are hoping to achieve. Keep it up boys, they more you rant and rave, the less attention that we pay.
As for Magrit, we delivered her P45 on 7th May, why is she in any way newsworthy. Beat it hen, away and moan somewhere else and gie the rest o’ us peace.
Caught a quick glimpse of Politics Today this morning with Andrew Neil and co., and even they were saying, in politics-speak of course, that the ‘SNP/Scottish government/Nicola Sturgeon won’t be paying any money towards ‘er indoors, Queenie’ story was a load of concocted shite… well, no, they said it was ‘probably untrue’… So, yes, a load of concocted shite it is then!
But, hey, the lie/smear is now already out there, promulgated by the British Establishment’s MSM propaganda arm. It doesn’t matter any more what is printed about Scotland/the SNP/Nicola Sturgeon/the Scottish people. Nothing will be done to stop the Establishment-driven, hate-filled, xenophobic, anti-Scotland Project Fear 2 diatribe, nothing, nothing at all. They can print – and *not* be damned.
Remember the Leveson Inquiry and subsequent recommendations? What was the point? A total waste of time and money.
Not the first time Cathy Newman has revealed her bias. In a pre-referendum interview in Glasgow with Michael Moore and Fiona Hyslop, etc. she expressed her confident belief that a Yes vote ‘will never happen’. She puts the tory into editorialise.
RE Times article:
It does not have a mandate to rewrite history, or the constitution.
Yep, only the Brit Nats are alllowed to do that, and boy are they good at it!
And by the way, what constitution?
This is only helping play into the hands of the people in Scotland. They more villified they are the harder they become and more solid in the approach against the mainstream media.
I can only assume this is some sort of approach to tarnish Nicola Sturgeon’s name in America after she left quite the impression with the people there.
They know that the American’s also love the Royal Family so any attempt to smear her against that is seen as a quick win.
It’s time for the gloves to come off. They have to at some point for the SNP. This can’t continue as a one sided argument for too long. Can it?
Oh dear, what a day for a shower of Britnat shite
Did anyone hear any more of the border bungees go twang?
Colin says:
24 June, 2015 at 3:29 pm
Ref the *non* story about paying towards Her Maj’s funds. Is this perchance, the same Cathy Newman who did a C4 story that she was bundled out of a Mosque, refused entry
It is indeed Colin.
change.org/p/channel-4-fire-cathy-newman-for-incitement-to-hatred-and-lack-of-integrity
The Mail wishes to shoehorn the SNP into republicanism. Most of us know that that is unpopular with certain sections of the population. Those of us who wish for independence above all else realise having a constiutional monarchy is only a big thing for those who like making a big thing of constiutional monarchy.
For me the infanta George could be my king if only we were independent. A generation ( ahem) down the line we could have a referendum on it.
Meantime could the bad tempered among us wind in our necks and let the Daily Mail work for us. Never interrupt your enemy when he is going off his/ her rocker.
Cathy Newman presents Channel 4 News and runs the Channel 4 FactCheck blog.
Hilarious!
@ JLT 4.13
Mebbe yous is just an insurgent!
Sick of this filth? Saddened that people are still paying to read MSM pash? We’re discussing options about how to push back over at link to counterpropforum.com
Cheers
Who even listens to their guff now? Once your eyes have been opened its like looking/listening to some kind of lizard race of ranting space aliens.
The Daily Record, Scotland’s champion,satire is alivd and well at the Record.
I used to fancy Kathy Newman.
This has really upset me 🙁
“Scotland to stop paying for the queen”? Don’t know about anyone else but I’d be bloody well delighted if that story were true.
You know this is getting way out of hand now. The way the press are acting now is downright scurrilous towards the First Minister. To target and defame someone in this manner surely raises the prospect of legal action against the MSM. I think she has to go down this radical route as at the moment it’s open season. Taking the media to court for slander should be taken very seriously. There is also a very large amount of racism involved in this agenda against Scots in general. This sort of smear campaign would never happen to someone of another race who has settled here. Jockophobia, subsidy junkies etc indeed..
Not so sure FM should be ding donging on twitter with a tv news presenter right enough.
This is all just bait…..they are running out of ideas and they just cannot fathom for one second why we are thinking like we are – they genuinely can’t work it out.
My mind is changing to a 2nd ref before 2020
Game’s a bogey….just a matter of time now
You would think we would all be used to this pish by now, wouldn’t you? So how come whenever i read this sort of pish my temperature goes through the roof and my skin becomes all clammy?
Independence can’t come soon enough!
No more LibLabCons – Lets vote them out at every level.
btw, Another excellently compiled article, Rev, as per usual.
The London Times ‘The Thunderer’ : “It is rebellion”.
I feel a song coming on,
“Lord, grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush and like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the Queen.”
(The English National Anthem)
Dearie me, how dim are these so-called ‘journalists‘. On the upside, I’ve always wanted to be part of the rebel alliance.
Seriously, with each passing day, it seems the English establishment really WANT to end the union treaty between Scotland and England.
P.S. For any Times or Mail ‘journalists‘ going into apoplexy over this comment, the reference to the ‘rebel alliance’, is a reference to the movie franchise Star wars.
I missed the Ms Newman nonsense . Seems a pity that she can destroy a reasonable news programme in this manner but as has been pointed out she has form.
For the Mail and Express it’s just another day of lying , smearing and losing readers – certainly in Scotland.
“Tabloid! just seems such an inadequate description for them – a bit of alliteration is required as in
” tasteless , trashy, tatty tabloid”
I am astonished by the obvious lack of journalistic integrity in the media. Once upon a day I was naïve enough to believe that they strove to be tellers of truth , ferreters of information and exposers of the wicked.
Now I think they are pretty well all peddlers of ordure , muck and spin.
Which is my way of saying , ” What a bunch of shits”
INEOS have made the Daily Record into their gimp?
If your feeling a bit ‘Britnatted’ or ‘cybernatted’ today
read the article on the Wee Ginger Dug.
I’m proud of all of us!
Sky joining in in the nonsense. They just can’t help themselves. £400Million is spent on ‘Royal’ expenditure. It was increased £5Million a year in 2010Budget.
The lights would go out in the rest of the UK without Scotland’s fuel and energy.
Dr Jim said: “And Davie’s “R United Kingdom” sails on unbroken and undamaged.”
Couldn’t we stretch a point after independence and refer to the rump statelet as Former United Kingdom?
It produces a more satisfing acronym.
That editorial leader in the Times is a fucking disgrace.
“Insurrection”…? “Rebellion”…? “Republican insurrection”…?
Really? Like, really, really?
Better Together: “Stay with us.; Lead us.; We really do love you!; Don’t go.; We’re one big family!; We really are better together!; Show us the way.” ad nauseam….
That is the truth of ‘the Union‘ [sic] right there in that Times piece. Scotland and the Scots are not viewed by Establishment ‘Britain’ as ‘an equal partner’, and never have been. Scotland has resources that the City of London needs, that is all.
Those resources do not involve the actual people of Scotland. What the people of Scotland need or want does not matter to those on the other side of the misnamed Union. We are but an annoyance to our Better Together ‘partners, to be derided, disabused, smeared, lied to and kept as poor as possible with impunity.
The entire Better Together campaign was the biggest scam and fraud ever perpetrated upon a country and its people in peacetime… (do remember that the BBC was said to be on a “war footing” campaign leading up to the referendum) and 55% – allegedly – of the electorate fell for it…
The putrid stink of Unionist fear makes you realise that we are winning!
Fewer and fewer of us pay any heed to their sewer dwelling loyal press.
There it is. Lying Cameron and the ‘Vow’. ‘Full fiscal shambles’.
Cathy Newman works for C4 news? The same people who employ John Snow and Alex Thompson? Wow.
Wonder what they think of her?
Luigi,
The reference in the rather silly ‘Times’ leader to ‘the constitution’ is an odd one, considering Westminster has zero say regarding the Scottish constitution.
As regards the UK, there is no such thing as a ‘British’ or UK constitution. I know the brit nats say ‘oh it’s an unwritten constitution’, but if we logically follow that argument, then I own Buckingham Palace, because I have the title deeds (unwritten, of course!). It is utter hogwash when BritNats refer to the ‘British’ constitution, since their is no such thing.
Even worse when they argue for a NEW British ‘Bill of Rights’. This completely ignores the fact that the only previous Bill of Rights was the ENGLISH Bill of Rights (1689) prior to the treaty of union between Scotland and England in 1707. It has no reference whatsoever to Scotland, as it was a solely English document. The treaty of union did not alter this.
Many down south do of course try to conflate it with the Scottish claim of right (1689), but that was a very different beastie from a constitutional perspective.
The English Bill of rights effectively removed sovereignty from the monarch of England, and placed it within the English Parliament. The Scottish claim of right however, re-affirmed long established Scottish constitutional principles laid down in the declaration of Arbroath (1320) by King Robert the Bruce, that it was the people of Scotland who were sovereign, not the king, nor Parliament. This is why people in England are royal subjects, but Scots are not, nor ever have been, prior to OR after to the treaty.
Anyway, regardless, I regard it as an obscenity that the very concept of ‘Crown estate’ (or royalty, for that matter) even exists in the 21st century. It is not as many think, merely parcels of land, but the income from, for example, the entire Scottish foreshore. It is wrong on every level.
I guess the rancid Brit Nats aren’t all that happy about the bad wicked evil Land Reform Bill of the bad wicked evil SNP. Even though it is bloody tame in my estimation.
Picked up from Today this morning that 50% of the Crown Estate portfolio is in London. Take a look at their website and you will see what I mean.
My question is why has there been so much pooling and so little sharing? The income to the Crown Estate comes from the whole of the UK including the sea bed. You can be sure that London’s portion is not anywhere near 50% so why should London get the lion’s share.
This is a question not only for Scottish SNP MPs, but for all the MPs whose constituencies are not in London (and it might include some of the less affluent London boroughs too).
Sour grapes from Margaret Curran.She was soundly threshed in the general election.Humiliated.Now she’s using the pages of a right wing rag to attack her former constituents.She was kicked out because she’s a red tory.Good riddance.
Since the referendum the media has had no place left to hide in it’s views and lies regarding the SNP, they have no choice but to stick with these tactics, even though it’s doing unionists no good at all, I can’t but wonder if the idea now is to deliberately try and stir up English Nationalism.
Am I a rebel? yes, am I treasonous wrt the royals? yes, am I engaged in sedition? not right now but I reckon campaigning for Yes was tantamount to sedition, it was just democratic sedition and some sections of BritNats would say getting the vote out for Stewart Hosie was seditious behaviour.
So come arrest me.
So The Daily Record is INEOS’s pimp?
Who knew?
I don’t think Nicola Sturgeon should lower herself and deal with these idiots personally. There will be worse to come before it’s over.
From the Times leader;
“Mr. Salmond is not the only Scot who takes pleasure in calling her the Queen of Scotland”
Oh dear, I think you will find, that Mr.Salmond calls her no such thing. He calls her, quite correctly, “Queen of Scots”.
Elizabeth Saxe-Coburg Gotha may be many things, including Queen of Scots, but she is not, nor ever will be, Queen of Scotland.
Perhaps the leader writer at ‘The Times’ should really be pumping out his ill-informed hysteria at the Daily Mail, where he might feel, how can I put this, ‘more at home’.
People still under the illusion that the Press was ever fair and unbiased,we have been lied to manipulated and propagandised since the first newspaper was printed.
This was written nearly 100 years ago by Humbert Wolfe.
You cannot hope
to bribe or twist,
thank God! the
British journalist.
But, seeing what
the man/woman will do
unbribed, there’s
no occasion to
You have to laugh though
It’s like a fight at school
Nya Nya… Ahl see ye it 4….Aye you in who’s army
Ahl get ma big brother
It’s only the English going to fall for this nonsense
They still believe newspapers contain actual news
But it serves everybody’s purpose very well as long as they don’t go too far and get too silly and rile folk up too much
The last thing we need are the angry brigade, there’s a lot of them about in Britland and a few here with their wee Union Flags and off putting temperament
Seem very odd for these daft stories to appear. Must be a slow right wing news day for their right wing views.
The new SNP MP’s are spooking them. Westminster establishment realise they have 50 new articulate MP’s a cut above the ones they replaced.
[…] In your media today […]
Funny how the possible *bad* story about us rebellius and treacherous Scots *not* paying dues to Crown Estates is all front page, but the news that Joe Public will be dontating £150m to upgrade buck House has been well down the line……not related are they?
grahamlive wrote:
““Scotland to stop paying for the queen”? Don’t know about anyone else but I’d be bloody well delighted if that story were true.”
I’ll second that.
No time for these parasites.
There should be absolutely no place for “Royalty” in any progressive thinking 21st Century country. Especially a wealthy country which is riddled with homeless people, or should that be peasants, and others stuck in poverty.
Her name should be Elizabeth Schlesvig-Holstein Sonderburg-Glucksburg, after Phil the Greek.
AndyH
Don’t agree. Nicola is using the new media to undermine the nonsense reporting that in the past the victim of the smear had no redress. The old media don’t like it but then they should not invent news items but report actual facts.
frogesque says:
@ JLT 4.13
Mebbe yous is just an insurgent!
Good point! Another one to add to the list!
The joke “newspaper” that purports to be Scotlands Champion writing an article in support of fracking and being sponsored to do so by INEOS is truly absurb.
Like the rest of the media they are the Champions of big business and the Establishment. As well as that they are arse licking toadies and a disgrace to the real people they pretend to “Champion”.
I agree with earlier posters there is need to get liars into court. Any and all corruption must be exposed.
Ms Curran does not have parliamentary privilege any longer, maybe she should think before she opens that Clyde tunnel sized gob
It goes to show how out of touch these people are.
Its not totally impossible for a large amount of people in England to read it, believe it AND try to support the scots for doing it.
These people are not just dishonest, they are utterly stupid. If i was in the Royal family id be personally telling them to wind their necks in lest the idea of their imaginary ‘rebellion’ grows wings.
Unbelievable.
Royal Money,
Just heard a good report about this on RT,they don’t pull their punches about how the press and Westminster have reacted to this.the Treasury have issued a statement that Scotland will still contribute to Royal purse.
The one main thing that I take from this constant vile from the UK media is, if we are stupid enough to vote ’No’ next time, then we will only have ourselves to blame.
whoa did someone poke them with a big stick the tory attack dogs are doing their nut again,bark bark slobber SNP bad.
Its actually smarter than it looks at first glance and its target audience will lap it up and has the bonus of pissing us off even if its rubbish,well its not like its stopped them before.
They intend to Thatcherize the SE electorate well its what the tories have always done and everybody else including N England will be scoungers and layabouts and if it wasnt for us upper class they would all starve ,man its like being in a bad dream how can this happen to one man twice in the same lifetime.
Well what can you say about the daily retard they sure lived up to their nickname today ,”The peoples champion at selling out Scotland its what we do best” should be their new slogan.
Still very disturbing to see them pushing this well debunked fracking nonsense as being the future are they all totally mental oh wait that might be our fault for not buying their rag they have had to sell out to survive,so just another day at the retard then lol
To be quite honest, I’m not in the least bit surprised as to what is going on here. In fact, it actually gives me faith that we are heading down the right path.
To cut a very long story short, I emailed on my Facebook page to all my ‘Yes / SNP’ buddies about the similarity in events that are currently taking place with Scotland and Westminster, and what happened with Ireland at the start of the last century. As said, to cut a long story short.
Young Ireland (through Thomas Davis, an Irish Protestant)creates the ‘The Nation’ in 1842 newspaper to counter British propaganda, and guide the people towards the idea of Independence. This year, we saw our own ‘The National’ newspaper take off.
Westminster in 1912 promised Ireland ‘Home Rule’, but cutting this right back too, it was defeated 3 times by (surprise, surprise) the House of Lords, and while WW1 was being fought, it was highly believed that the Tories would not honour the initial agreement (once again, surprise, surprise). Now, we were promised in a ‘Vow’ not that long ago about Home Rule, more Powers, near-Federalism …and so far …hee-haw, or a complete reneging on said promises.
This is where it gets a tad interesting. We also have the similarities of the UK General Elections of both 1918 and 2015. In 1918, Sinn Fein of Ireland return 73 MP’s to Westminster with an overwhelming victory of 40% of the Irish national vote (remember, the whole of Ireland was still part of Britain at this point). And this year, in the 2015 General Election, Scotland returned 56 SNP members to Westminster with a staggering 50% of the Scottish vote! As we can see, history is most definitely repeating itself!
The 73 Sinn Féin MP’s however, declined to take their seats in the British House of Commons and instead, sat in their newly created Irish assembly of the ‘Dáil Éireann’ (Irish Parliament) in Dublin. Surprisingly, Westminster allowed them to govern Ireland for 6 months before shutting the Dáil down. To regain control, Westminster sent in the army and the ‘black and tans’. Civil war between Westminster and Ireland erupted and lasted up until the peace agreement of 1922. Then Ireland had a mini-civil war between the Republicans. The outcome overall was from the 1922 peace agreement which saw the partition of Ireland.
So basically, in the last 100 years, we have the similarities of the rise of a ‘national’ newspaper to counter the state media, a ‘promise’ of Home Rule (or ‘near-Federalism’) that was then reneged on, and an overwhelming victory in the UK General Elections of 1918 and 2015 by the respective Nationalist parties of both countries. And then we have the Westminster Unionist parties in both time periods either removing, or attempt to put in place, the ability to remove self-government from both those nations (as we saw last week when they refused to make the Scottish Parliament ‘permanent’).
The point is …history is repeating itself here! Westminster is making the same mistakes god-awful mistakes as it did a century ago. The Establishment just can’t let go of a key piece of territory that it believes it truly owns! I don’t believe for a second that it will end in civil war as it did in Ireland (I think if the rUK voted for an EU exit, then most of Scotland should be united in their condemnation and will ‘unite’ in trying to gain access to the EU again – hence …no real bitterness overall. People may unite once they realise their jobs, pensions, Sterling …everything is on the line if they go on listening to London’s mad plans post-EU).
But it is fascinating to see that repeating sysle of history …and therefore gives me great hope, that Independence might just be a handful of years away.
(And apologies Rev about the length of the post)
Channel 4 has a straightforward debunking of the royal bill nonsense
link to blogs.channel4.com
I was tempted to take out a short term subscription to The Times just so I could say I was a revolutionary insurrectionist but decided a much better use for the money would be a donation to an alternative media site (sorry, not Wings, you’ve got more than enough at the moment).
My one stipulation was that the site did not display a Royal Warrant of Appointment. It didn’t.
Well done The Times Editor. Keep it up. I’ve got some more cash in my piggy bank.
Aoch ah remember the good auld days oan Wings,when the only thing ah hud tae worry aboot wiz ah big white baw chasing me,noo ah might hiv the Daily Mail, scary.
JLT
Thanks for the resume of the 1918 election. I had assumed that SF had got over 50% of the vote but I see it was only 40%. Very interesting indeed.
if I was a labour politician with an ounce of sense I would be pleading with the UK media to shut the f**k up, knock it on the head guys, you are going to kill us in 2016.
Since there doesn’t seem to be any labour politicians with a lick of sense, then were are going to have sit and watch labour and the UK media implode, as their irrelevance reaches critical mass.
So, anyone else willing to support a crowdfunder to take Curran to court for defaming this website? I refer to capella’s comment at 2:57pm.
Could such an action even be brought or have a chance of success?
The racist rhetoric is being ramped up – and from where? Down South. No doubt Harry Potter’s creator will have something to say about it. Perhaps the 9th July(Day after – Thatcherite Budget Day) would be a good time to get the YES flags back out. After Cameron’s response to Angus Robertson today you know the only way is INDEPENDENCE. About 15th July would be a good time to do an independence poll. The Tories and the Establishment media have the power and they will use it things will get much rougher yet. They will ignore us and sneer at us. How much will the Scottish voters take before they realise the only way is out of this one sided Union.
Are we able to send on these embarrassingly childish jibes from what is supposed to be grown up media “journalist”
to other governments around the world and the European Court of Human rights?
We are constantly attacked by the liars and extortionists who have control of Westminster, on matters without a spec of truth or reality.
We must find another way to present the reality of these situations to the general UK public as millions will read these headlines and think it must be true if they print it
Should we or SNP take out a paid for advert the following day to explain how far these peddlers of propaganda are prepared to go in fooling the public for the profits of the rich.
Got to love the Dizzy Rancid, who can give us money, INEOS, well we are right behind you, even if you want to poison the few remaining readers that we have
This Cathy Newman statement that she has only reported the
briefing from Buckingham Palace. Surely SNP must ask the Palace to confirm if they have indeed made this outrageous statement to defile the Scots.
Let’s too remember that Madge jumped on the Elitist’s band wagon with the Scots had better think very carefully comment, which better together say was requested and played out.
I’m sure the SNP will keep their word on any promised payments, but if they are scaremongering themselves, I would give them a penny!
We need answers!
PS Where is the report Carmichael helped create back in April. It hasn’t been released under freedom of information
Where is the Commons Committee on Standards. Carmichael Lied, Lied again, wasted limited public funds, and then admits he lied, but this committee are not sure what to do?
Christ it’s good to be alive.
I was getting post-election blues & thought the election in 2016 was too far away. I felt it was a bit too quiet over the past week.
Then the MSM come out with their laughable guff today & I feel invigorated again.
Land grab the Balmoral estate!
They are not MY media and never will be. My media is Wings, Wee Ginger Dug and the National. Will never buy these Unionist papers. Stopped my BBC license the day after the referendum. Am I the only one or are there thousands like me?
The Times, owned by Murdoch, the same person allegedly best pals with Salmond?
That Times editorial is probably the most henious I have read as far as denigrating the Referendum and General Election result is concerned.
It’s a vicious smear on the integrity of all in Scotland. No amount of jokey responses will bleach it.
For want of a better label I have no doubt there exists a ‘Belittle Scotland’ unit with a very long agenda and a set of objectives.
If we take the spurious Cybernat link that the Westminster media have put together, Nicola Sending a standard 5 word Reply to this man seems to automatically access his background, his beliefs and his past history, and obviously she must be of a similar ilk??????
With this same assessment, the suspected paedophiles Labour Lord Jenner, the Liberal Lord Smith, the Tory Peter Morrison, all communicated extensively with their parties over many, many years, so obviously they way the media
calculates these matters, everyone in these Parties, MUST be of the same ilk.
Good Journalism England. Let’s now empty parliament of each and every one of these corrupt monsters.
“We are but an annoyance to our Better Together ‘partners, to be derided, disabused, smeared, lied to and kept as poor as possible with impunity.”
You’ve got that WAY wrong.We are far far more than an annoyance. We are at least a vexatious aggravation. They are very unhappy that we do not listen to them and that we still intend to dump them at the first opportunity.
And let’s be honest we deride, disabuse, and smear these purveyors of lies too. And rightly so. The Media are an ABSOLUTE disgrace in the UK.
Thanks Rev for my special WBB & silver Wings-they arrived this morning & are very special to me cos I’m English & in England so that makes me even more of an insurrectionist than all you ‘rebellious Scots’. I’m also a ("Tractor" - Ed)ous (Tractor -Ed) rebel to the English cause because I support you all. Two for the price of one- Woo hoo!!! 🙂
As for the bile being spouted by MSM today, we’ve seen it before & will do so again. If we don’t respond they don’t know what to do about it. Each time someone posts a response here that is offended, the perpetrators are laughing up their sleeves because they are riling Scots. If we don’t post remonstrating/complaining comments then we deprive them of their pleasure. Don’t give them ammunition. Ignore their existence as we’ve all learned to do with Lab/Lib/Cons.
How about doing 24 hrs of jokes, funny stories, Youtube links (the more light hearted the better), reminiscences instead? Send for John King-he has to be lurking somewhere & any other comedians who usually frequent these parts 😉
Just a thought but maybe I’ll just get my jacket!
Every time they publish this blantant rubbish another voter in Scotland has the wool removed from their eyes and they never seem to catch on, long may it continue.
When on an occasional visit to a Sainsbury Store to buy a litre of White & Mackay Whisky at an bargain £15, I noticed the scurrilous Daily Mail headline when selecting a National. I immediately removed half of the Nationals and placed them on top of the pile of Mails, so it was thereby hidden under a real newspaper which prints facts rather than right wing propaganda for dummies.
Incidentally and I admit not very important, but for the sake of constitutional and heraldic accuracy, Lizzie Saxe-Coburg-Gotha is factually titled “Queen of SCOTS” and not by the English style of “Queen of Scotland”. Personally I am republican in sentiment and it is one thing I disagreed on with our previous excellent First Minister Alex Salmond, although I understand why he advocated Lizzie to continue as Head of State in an independent Scotland. It may have influenced some of the OO and other royalist sycophants to support the idea of independence.
Like many, I suspect there is bad news about to come out for Scotland. Retaliation in advance methinks.
I find it funny that Channel 4 News Factcheck page counters the garbage spouted by its own Cathy Newman
Cathy Newman still spouts her crap on Facebook, by including the Daily Telegraph article she wrote
link to facebook.com
Also reading the twitter flurry between the First Minister and Cathy Newman, tells me that somehow Ms Newman, isn’t all she is cracked up to be
If I were her employers at Channel 4, would tend to be having a look at her contract as she seems to bring Channel 4 News’s integrity into question. She should have perhaps fact checked with her colleagues at Channel 4 News before leaping into the dark
And to those of you who are still not using Twitter I beg you to join up. You will become part of a competing media and will then be able to answer and disparage these lies directly to the person who wrote them. And your views will be read by a much wider audience.
The more MSM comments that are shown to be lies the sooner will the hacks who write them become damaged goods.
Hi Ananurhing.
I signed the petition at ‘change.org’. I had to highlight your url, then drag it up to the tab bar, so that Firefox would recognise it as a valid web site address.
FYI: you need the ‘www.’ in a web address to make it a ‘clickable’ link in your post. Here are two examples for you. The first is without the ‘www.’; the second has it. As you can see, the second one can be clicked on to go to the page.
theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/13/deborah-orr-scotland-independence-no-vote
link to theguardian.com
Jiss trehn ti help, like…
BTW: WordPress adds on the ‘http://’ – you just don’t need it, unless there ISN’T a ‘www’ in the web address; then you do…
The Royals started this. It came from the Palace. Impartial?
Like this one, as an example…
link to counterpropforum.com
The funny thing here is that they probably think Scots would turn away from the SNP if the party were going to pay less for royalty.
At a time of austerity?
Right!
An expenditure well worth guillotining!
And the royals can be distributed among those who have been forced to pay the bedroom tax.
What happened to all the love with which we were deluged prior to 18/9?
Could anybody out there compile a summary of all the love bombs together with a list of all the celebrities who pleaded with us not to leave them?
It would be good for a laugh.
Thankyou for again presenting the facts in such a clear and concise manner.
The Times’ article is laughable. Nobody could take their sanctimonious hand wringing seriously. A wind up surely. Maybe it’s satire? A blast from our colonial past? I shudder to think anyone would believe this stuff…”insurrection”, “rebellion”. My God.
Ken500
I’m sympathetic about what you say, but in reality the ‘Royals’ would not be involved in the story but at the most, it could be from one of the sycophantic flunky’s
if such a comment came from the staff of the Royal household
It could also have been ‘leaked’ by the tory government
Only an enquiry will find out where the idiot story came from.
In this age, never trust the press to say anything
Marcia says:
JLT
Thanks for the resume of the 1918 election. I had assumed that SF had got over 50% of the vote but I see it was only 40%. Very interesting indeed.
Hi Marcia, I’m quoting bits and bobs from the Open University course and which we had to study the idea of ‘Tradition’ (Ireland reinvented itself between 1850 and the early 20th Century as it tried to find its historical past (ideas on the shamrock, the Irish Wolfhound, Hill of Tara). By redefining, as well as discovering their past, it obviously brought them into conflict with the British State, and well …the rest is history.
However, as said, what surprised me, was the amount of similarties that have happened so far with Scotland and Westminster, and continues to happen. As said, it gives me great faith knowing that the Westminster mob seem to be creating farce as they repeat the same mistakes. As I quoted in that same Facebook page, to what Karl Marx once said, ‘History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce’ …well, if Ireland was tragedy, then this repeating by Westminster with Scotland is just ‘farce’ LOL
However, LOL, I wish I had tidied up my entry properly, but it was a serious mad rush as the wife was about to put my tea out!)
A HURRICANE of pish.
Hi Marcia
Checked Wikipedia (though usually that ain’t gospel). Sinn Fein got 46.9% of the vote in the 1918 General Election. The OU course had stated Sinn Fein got over 40%.
Personally, I would have reworded the chapter in that text book to say that Sinn Fein got over 45% of the vote.
But hey! It still shows that the SNP getting more than 50% was a stunning result; especially when Sinn Fein got their stunning percentage due to the British backlash after the Easter Uprising of 1916 (the Irish people were horrified at how the leaders of the 1916 Uprising were executed; especially James Connolly (born in the Edinburgh Cowgate (which at the start of 20th Century was considered an Irish Ghetto), who was so badly wounded from the Uprising that the British Army tied him to a chair so the firing squad could shoot him). The executions infuriated the Irish that much that just under half the nation voted for Sinn Fein. This was slightly surprising since the vast majority of the Irish population hadn’t been too enamoured with the Easter Uprising. But it was the reaction from the British State that changed attitudes, and eventually, immortalised the 1916 Uprising.
However, it’s brilliant to know that the Referendum last year was a massive success in one sense. We enlightened a good portion of the electorate and guided them towards Independence …and not one shot fired!
Jings, crivvens and help ma Boab. If only it wis true.
Margaret Who…?
(What’s Labour playing at bleating to a rabidly Tory rag? They never learn. They never EVER learn.)
Better off with Gary Numan, so called respected journalisim Aint alive & well and living . Thanks as always Stu for highlighting these torags . Liberty for Scotland.
@Ian More
I guess the rancid Brit Nats aren’t all that happy about the bad wicked evil Land Reform Bill of the bad wicked evil SNP. Even though it is bloody tame in my estimation.
The most important land reform issue is to do with inheritance, and it is not covered in the Land Reform Bill. You should read LPW’s new article on the Land Reform Bill because it details the restrictions on the SG.
Why should our FM pay ‘generous tribute’ to the Queen? Embarrassing, cringe-worthy sycophantic journalism. It makes my skin crawl.
It’s teeth-grinding stuff. Though Nicola’s agreement with the sentiment is equally so.
JLT
Since your post I have had a look at the 1918 election results. I don’t think we can take the 1918 election as a comparison due to many different factors. No Unionist candidates in many of the seats in that now make up the Republic and many unopposed seats (the Unionists knew they were going to lose. I would assume that only women over 30 with property rights could vote.
“So I assume you will pay generous tribute to the queen” demands a silly hack on the telly.
It makes me want to vomit. That’s the worst yet, in a vile unionist world.
Same very bitter C4 news hack says cuts to royals dosh millions/handouts were “suggested” but its not that clear by whom, shock. Its obviously the queen.
Don’t they all just detest Scottish democracy in action.
Roll on independence Scotland.
The Daily Mail was a full scale supporter of the UK Nazi Party
before the war! FACT!
You can see how the family of the Rags owners had proud pictures of them meeting up with their hero, Adolf Hitler! –
link to tompride.wordpress.com
I am struggling to get my head around this too, but those B******
are trying to suggest that all things SNP are bad???????????
It’s a nice thought to think that they might be able to raise their journalistic standards up to the gutter they must have crawled down from.
The paper suggests that as Nicola Tweeted a message to an unknown attendee at one of he many public gatherings, she too must be a cruel cybernat?
That same philosophy of course means that all English newspapers
and editors and journalist must be phone hackers quite willing
to illegally print private stories that broke up marriages, families, friendships, and of course their ultimate crime in listening to murdered Millie Dowler’s messages and giving false
hope to her Mother that she must still be alive.
I don’t consider these gangsters fit to offer opinion on anything
outside of their sewer.
Crawl back in and drown in your own stench!
aldo_macb wrote:
“They are not MY media and never will be. My media is Wings, Wee Ginger Dug and the National. Will never buy these Unionist papers. Stopped my BBC license the day after the referendum. Am I the only one or are there thousands like me?”
I think it’s safe to say you are in a very large constituency, aldo_macb. The hysteria of MSM at the moment is a delight to see. There is no doubt in my mind that we are winning and they are getting more and more desperate. The GE result in Scotland has shown that newspapers and the BBC have finally lost their grip here and that, once people have opened their eyes to their lies and smears, they will never trust them again.
Endgame approaching.
Tighten seat-belts.
All will be well.
Sheesh! I’d be sacked for incompetence if I was as as shite at my job as the current cop of journalists clearly are.
We need a good majority in the next referendum, Cameron et al are doing sterling service in helping the Scottish Government attain this prize.
LOL The Mail piece is written by Alan Roden. I wonder if he ever reads real political journalism and feels a teeny bit jealous.
Do you think all these newspapers had Jimmy Savile’s phone number or knew him really well
They must have all shared his predilections then Eh?
Will we start naming them all
Pop Stars
Politicians
Variety Entertainers
An awful lot of Noble Lords don’t you know
Nearly forgot Royalty down the years,,,,Jings Eh?
@Keaton
The First Minister puts up with them so we don’t have to
I couldn’t (Gaun Yirsel Nippy)
I’m guessing the media have gone beyond the silly season and went straight for the farce season.
Good grief… again.
Effijy says:
24 June, 2015 at 7:56 pm
The Daily Mail was a full scale supporter of the UK Nazi Party
before the war! FACT!
And regarding support for the NAZIs, certain members of the Royal Family were not exactly squeaky clean either. All brushed under the carpet in the traditional British way.
@mr thms says: 24 June, 2015 at 3:06 pm:
“Could this is be a diversionary tactic?
Is the Smith Agreement on the Crown Estate is being delivered by the Scotland Bill?
A rather surprising, if complicated, article on the subject
link to andywightman.com
“
In fact there is nothing very complicated in the Scottish Crown Estates except that The Establishment, as usual, applies English Law to the Scottish Crown Estates even although English law doesn’t apply in Scotland.
Here’s the real deal – The people of Scotland are legally Sovereign and thus the people own all Scotland, including the Scottish Crown Estates. The Monarchy are only the protector of the people’s sovereignty, so in effect they are the legally people’s subjects. The Scottish Crown Estates were handled in Edinburgh until 1830.
In 1830 King William IV revoked the income from the crown estates in Scotland. The hereditary land revenues of the Crown in Scotland were formerly managed by, “The Barons of the Exchequer”, were transferred to the Commissioners of Woods, Forests, Land Revenues, Works and Buildings and their successors under the Crown Lands (Scotland) Acts of 1832, 1833 and 1835.
In effect this transferred the Management of the Scottish Crown estates to be grouped with the Kingdom of England, (three countries), under the Crown Estate Commissioners under the provisions of the Crown Estate Act 1961.
BTW: There is an interesting article by the Cuthbert’s here : –
link to bbc.co.uk
@Muttley79
I kind of wonder who inherits the Killiechassie Estate if the Death Eaters that are the SNP/SG decide that a certain Landowning authoress isn’t “progressive!”?
I wonder will there be anybody to inherit since I am kind of hoping the moaning whinging Brit Nats will sell up and leave myself.
BrianW says:
24 June, 2015 at 7:59 pm
Sheesh! I’d be sacked for incompetence if I was as as shite at my job as the current cop of journalists clearly are.
Ah, but the $64,000 question is: What is their job, exactly?
Just a wee interruption on STV at 8 O’Clock, with Banner of course to say that Dirty Scottish Government Deny removing funding from
her majesty!
Never mind all that hard work, i.e. Typing in the Wings Web site details to find the truth. Just word it as though it is true and the nasty Nats won’t admit it.
Can you imagine how sever they would come down on someone like Alastair Carmichael, an actual proven political liar, several times over.
One quite willing to waste £1 Million of public money before he admitted being a liar, but we have no need for such stories on UK Propaganda Channels.
@ Scunterbunnet says at 4:26 ”Sick of this filth? Saddened that people are still paying to read MSM pash? We’re discussing options about how to push back over at link to counterpropforum.com Cheers.”
Yeah I’m totally sick of it Scunterbunnet. WE all know that it’s a load of garbage but hundreds of thousands of people (millions in England) don’t have a clue and are being influenced by this.
Wings is doing a brilliant job in getting the truth out there. Billboard advertising is a great idea but we should also be reporting these liars to IPSO every time they publish their trash. We should also be demanding the name of the Royal Aide who leaked the story, if that was the case, which I doubt.
All of these stories such as ‘Queenie’ will be published / aired to support the demolition of each amendment of the Scotland Bill as it comes up. Next week (or so) broadcasting is on the agenda. I wonder what we’ll get hit with then?
To be honest I wouldn’t give the Royal Family 10p never mind the millions in benefits that they commandeer. They know that millions of children in this country are living in poverty but seem to be quite happy to pay 1 million for a helicopter hanger (Queen), £446,000 for a trip to Mexico / Colombia (Charles) and over 4.5 million apartment refurb (William). In it together … Better Together … I don’t think so.
@ Marcia says ”Nicola is using the new media to undermine the nonsense reporting that in the past the victim of the smear had no redress. The old media don’t like it but then they should not invent news items but report actual facts.”
I agree with you Marcia. Many on here are racking their brains trying to find ways to combat the biased media. Sitting back and doing nothing aint going to work.
@ Truth says ”So, anyone else willing to support a crowdfunder to take Curran to court for defaming this website?”
I think that MANY people in Scotland will be more than happy to raise money in future to deal with the out and out liars, such as Carmichael, so should think twice before opening their mouths.
On a positive note STV News reported on this issue tonight and stated that the UK Government and Holyrood were (unusually) in agreement that this news item was totally untrue. Nicola had her say and they displayed newspapers such as the Daily Telegraph to make their point.
Oooooft, the DR running an advertorial and only mentioning it in the breadcrumbs is very naughty.
Tomorrow: The joy of smoking by Mr J. Player
morgatron says:
24 June, 2015 at 7:21 pm
Better off with Gary Numan, so called respected journalisim Aint alive & well and living . Thanks as always Stu for highlighting these torags . Liberty for Scotland.
Be better off with Alfred E Neuman than that pot o’ pish from Catheter
Cathy Newman should stick to the Autocue newsreading, she will never be a journalist as long as she has a hole in her @rse! Tonight channel 4 news had in depth investigation into various Establishment dirty tricks, until of course the NS story in which said newsreader is up to her neck in.
A few mumbled lines over a deliberately muddled VT,very disappointing on an otherwise excellent news show.
Forget ISIL,the EU,immigration etc we are the Establishments number one target.
‘The MSM are very scared and angry’
Good.
When you think about it, why would they do any different. There is no consequence. They can write whatever pish they want to.
The only way they will stop is if we vote for them to become irrelevant.
@luigi 8:09 pm
They are doing their job as wanted and paid for by their masters, EBC MSM et al. They are not stupid? or lazy they are just earning their corn.
Can anybody explain why we are subjected to 24/7 of English television News?
Margaret Curran is coming across as a bad loser and a bitter old hag. Let’s face it – she’s no more right to pontificate in The Daily Mail than anyone on the street. She got dumped by the people and she can’t take it.
I’d support a crowdfunder for Wings to take Curran to court just like I supported the Orkney crowdfunder. Just make sure first that whatever law she is accused of breaking, she has actually broken.
Another day goes by, and yet more SNP bashing from the state run media.
Auntie Betty and her ever growing band of sponging parasites, cost the ordinary citizens of these Isles a fortune. Any renovations needed in any of the royal dwellings, she and her hangers on can pay for it themselves.
If it comes to light that Royals accept the people of the UK own these properties, (so they can pass the cost onto us,) then we should sell them off, and distribute the money amongst the needy.( an easy referendum)
As for the fracking story, once our fresh water table has been breached, our last natural resource will be Fcuked.
The FM is absolutely dead right to shoot down these stories directly and immediately with the journalist concerned, so that the issue can be corrected, resolved, retracted or had the arse kicked out it by bedtime, and therefore won’t be dragged on through several days’ headlines.
It’s what she’s best at – sorts out issues quickly with no fuss
It strikes me that the Tories and the establishment media believe that the 18th September result cannot be overturned and we have had our chance. They can now be as rough as they like with Scotland and there is nothing legally we can do about it even if we have 59 MPs and complete control at Holyrood. Wither that is correct or not that is how they are and will continue acting. We need to prove them wrong. I suspect the SNP current strategy is “give them enough rope” I hope it is going to work. I have noticed that the Scottish Tory Tank Commander is a little worried but Murdo was all guns blazing on wind farms. Shaping up to be an interesting run up to the Holyrood elections. Did hear a comment on GMS this morning which summed up nicely that we appear to have an elected dictatorship at Westminster. Not bad for a party with just over 30% of the UK vote.
That’s the thing about yon black hole the unionists have been spraffing about – all kinds of stuff could get sucked in. The Queen, all the rest of the Royals, those big auld trident subs, our contribution to rebuilding Westminster, contributions towards the national debt, HS2, the cost of all future Imperialist adventures, warplanes, cruise missiles…
All kinds of stuff could just vanish into oblivion. Still a bit of a hole? What’s all this cash pishing into the coffers from the North Sea and VAT and the former Crown Estates? All the dough from Europe that used to trickle down – whaddayaknow! the trickle turns into a steady stream.
And where have all these folk come from! Americans, Chinese, Europeans all wanting to find out what’s happening in this ‘New’ old Country… The one with all the golf and the great food and the famous whisky, the great gin, the amazing craft beers, the festivals, and all that wonderful history and the mountains and lochs…
They are coming in, spending money, having a great time in this new, confident, exciting place, and telling their friends back home all about it.
Now, where was that hole?
We now have 56 SNP members of parliament and majority control of the Scottish Government , it would be at least reasonable that some control of media be devolved to Scotland.
If Westminster will not give us that, then some right of reply with equal weight should be pursued , I reckon it would be worth all of 10 of our MPs time badgering for all they are worth to get this.
We need our MPs to be more vocal on this at every opportunity , ignore their sighs of of “ere we go again” This is something that HAS to be sorted out before the next Indyref.
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I’m getting very angry. I can’t be the only one. I’m sick of this twisted media everywhere. I’m sick of online petitions and peaceful protests.
I’m genuinely starting to hate the old order English establishment and consider them to be an enemy, not just my enemy but an enemy of all people in this country. Rich Lords who sell services back to the government, to the people? Corporations buying out government. Fracking? TTIP? Leaving vulnerable to die? WTF?
I’ve been to gatherings in George’s Square, been to meetings and heard some amazingly articulate people voice their opinions, it almost made me weep with joy to hear them at times. I felt like I was finally at home, a break from the madness, it was great but then it’s all over and you have to go back to the headlines and the under-mis-informed opinions of your mates. The news and the life that follows it, the stupidity that swallows it.
Please say something to cheer me up 🙁
You have been asking what they were trying to cover up today. I think I found one thing they might have tried to cover up.
link to rt.com
or maybe this – link to rt.com
or even this – link to rt.com
Wonder who thought it was a good idea to suck the Queen into an obviously party political spat?
This isn’t going to end well for the concept of a constitutional monarchy. A serious mistake by some Muppet and the Tower may await.
Cathy Newman stated her source as the Buck House brief ie the palace and therefore the Queen? Or have i misunderstood?
with regards to the discussion about the Sinn Fein vote in the 1918 general election
“Nationally, Sinn Féin’s vote share was 46.9%, though it was higher than 80% in some contested areas”.
Bear in mind that the area that would become NI (pop.approx 1.5 million vs approximately 4 million overall in Ireland) was firmly set against the irish republic so the statistics are skewed accordingly, showing the rest of ireland (what is now the republic) was very firmly in favour of independence.
I have no idea how these figures compare with current support for Scottish independence as i don’t know if support in some areas of the country reach figures over 80%.
Despite that Ireland had the war of Independence against the Black and Tans (decommissioned WWI troops) and then a civil war over the 1920 govt of ireland Act which sanctioned partition.
The civil strife we saw during the so-called Troubles (1968-1998) might be considered a prolongation of resistance to this Act of the british parliament
link to irishpoliticalmaps.blogspot.it
Hark the Herald!
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“The comments and observations were about a principle and never intended to be a criticism of Scotland or of the First Minister or to suggest that the First Minister had cast doubt on the continued funding of the Monarchy.
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link to archive.is
If anyone at the Daily Record had half a brain they would steer clear of ever mentioning ‘fracking in Scotland’. And if they keep it up they’ll help Labour lose the last of their handful of supporters. In the lead up to the Referendum I used to post fracking information on their site. My posts were removed in an instant because they were aware that this kind of information could influence the way people voted. So what are they up to now?
It would suit them better to inform their readers that the Labour Party voted against EU residents living in Scotland a vote in the EU Referendum. The very voters, such as Polish people, that the Labour Party supporters / politicians warned would be thrown out of Scotland if we acquired our Independence.
Brian Doonthetoon
Thanks for the tip Brian. Try again.
link to change.org
The MSM were aghast at the thought of the monarchy being deprived of £2m today by Scotland in a totally fabricated story.
How much money has Scotland contributed to West Ham being able to undertake the tenancy of the Olympic Stadium?
The transformation cost alone is £272m with West Ham only contributing £15m.
Never mind the original cost of over £500m at today’s prices.
Scotland’s really benefitted from the Olympic “legacy”
@call me dave
The denial by the palace will be all over the front pages tomorrow then. Yeah right!
Rancid The Graun’s on the case
It must all be true if
link to archive.is
Nicola Sturgeon denies plan to cut Scottish funding of royal family
Apparently the Queen of England has been outspending her state benefits by around an average of £2.7 million per year. In 2001, she had £35 million in cash reserves. By 2014, that had dropped to just £1 million.
Source: link to telegraph.co.uk
This profligate behaviour is on top of the £35 million she receives in housing benefit, child tax credits & job seekers allowance, all wrapped up in a grand sounding state allowance called the Sovereign Grant.
The amount of the Grant is 15% of the net surplus income from the Crown Estates. And the Sovereign Grant Act ensures that the Queen of England’s benefits can NEVER go down, only go up.
Source: link to legislation.gov.uk
You might be delighted to learn that for FY2014-2015, net expenditure was only £35.7 million, exactly the same amount spent by the Queen of England during the previous financial year. For the curious accountants among you, that’s a measly £97,808 per day.
Back to your day jobs, folks!
with regards to the forthcoming scottish land Act and disposal of the crown estates revenue
I sincerely hope the SNP abides by the principle of
“The land of Scotland for the people of Scotland”
it will work out fine
Totally cool with fracking under Daily Record churnalist houses….and only Daily Record churnalist houses.
All this typing about royalty’s relationship with Scotland reminded me of the link below.
Twice upon a time, over the decades, it was played by many folk bands in Scottish folk clubs.
“The Scottish Breakaway”, updated for the referendum campaign.
link to youtube.com
Lesley M @9.00pm
Thanks for the link to the report on the Pilot Whale deaths in the Kyle of Durness in 2011.
I was one of the first on the scene. It was the most horrific thing I’ve ever seen. You could hear the sheer panic of the entire pod, young and old.
Even on the day it happened, the locals knew that Nato exercises off Cape Wrath were responsible. Thanks for the confirmation. Sickening to know it was avoidable.
CH4 trying to repair damage ?
link to blogs.channel4.com
As discussed on a previous thread, SSP (and other parties) were denied opportunity to address the crowd in ‘George’ Square last Saturday.
SSP had a public meeting in a nearby pub, and here’s the footage. (Wasn’t an ideal venue, but here it is anyway, for the record – Richie Venton on good form, at about 30 mins.)
link to youtube.com
link to blogs.channel4.com
Channel 4 seems to be in disagreement with its own reporter
I think its time the royals were means tested. Really , these layabouts are taking their benefits every week without signing on for job seekers! One rule for everyone my arse!Parasites.
The privy seat or whatever he is called has made Newman look a right numpty by now saying it was not his intention to suggest that the Scottish Government is intending to do anything, he was just drawing attention to the fact that the two sources would need to coordinate or something.
I wonder if Newman will apologise or insist that her rendering was what he said and that he is lying.
bbc were at it again today:
The headline being:
‘A specialist type of heart surgery on children has been temporarily suspended at Scotland’s newest hospital after three infant deaths in one month.”
This suggest to the reader scanning the headlines there is trouble continuing at Scotland”s newest hospital, a bad mark for the SNP Government.
However read further and you discover. This has to do with fatalities at Yorkhill Hospital in Glasgow earlier this year after and not the new hospital.
This new hospital should have been focal point of pride for patients, staff, Glasgow and Scotland as a whole, but the bbc have done everything it could to ruin this, one wonders at the behest of labour?
But IvMoz, dontchya know, the Hammers are Cameron’s favourite team?
O/T – Meanwhile back in Gott’em City
Diedre Brock gave a rather rousing maiden speech today at 5.32pm
link to parliament.uk
Quite inspirational
Funny how the BBC is always careful to hide the fact that the Duke of Edinburgh’s first language is German. When Her Maj was on TV today, in Germany, talking to Chancellor Merkel, Philip can be seen chatting away in the background to German dignitaries. He’s talking to them in German. Show me one scene of Philip talking in his first language. You will never find it, at least never on UK media.
Of course, there is nothing wrong in talking in German per se or even being German! Some of my best friends are German! So why the secrecy? Maybe hearing Philip talk in fluent German, his first language, might ignite our curiosity regarding Philip’s German roots. Frinstance, that his three big sisters (Her Maj’s sisters-in-law, forbye), all married senior, bona fide, nazis officers; one in the SS and all six were card-carrying members of Hitler’s nazi party (before it even became compulsory in Germany to be a member of the nazi party)! Or that one of the Duke of Edinburgh’s brothers-in-law was a luftwaffe pilot killed in action, allegedly, over Italy, but whose war records mysteriously disappeared when they fell into Allies hands. Did Charles uncle bomb London perhaps? I even recollect it was someone like the ("Tractor" - Ed) Philby who was sent by the Queen to post war Germany for such records. And they call the Scots who support the SNP nazis…. You could not make it up. It would make a great BBC Sunday night serial, the Duke of Edinburgh’s family secrets… maybe in a 100 years or so… aye, don’t hold your breath. All we get fed in the UK is one damn lie after another. It’s one big farce, right enough.
The person that looks after Lizzy`s dosh is called The Keeper of the Privy Purse.
Sir Alan Reid, GCVO has been Keeper of the Privy Purse, Treasurer to the Queen since 2002.
Reid was formerly a senior partner with Big Four accountancy firm KPMG.
KPMG in 2002 sold The UK and Dutch consulting arms to Atos Origin.
The same Atos that is subcontracted by the DWP to police the use of sanctions for people on welfare benefits.
Fannie Mae sued KPMG for malpractice for approving `years of erroneous financial statements`.
Toffs are like a nest of snakes.
@ Lesley-Anne
I don’t think Lizzie is very interested in your kind offer to use your tent while Buck Pal. is being renovated.
She’s over in Germany for a few days – “back to the roots” – you could say. 😉
Could be she’s house-hunting in Berlin, eyeing up the Presidents place, “Haus Bellevue” and then on to Frankfurt via Bergen-Belsen.
Wish I had a YES flag to wave when I’m in Frankfurt tomorrow..!
Ian Murray joins up with UKIP MP to put forward amendment to Scotland Bill
Ian Murray
Wayne David
Mr Douglas Carswell
NC1
To move the following Clause—
Notices of Amendments: 23 June 2015
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Scotland Bill, continued
“Independent Commission on Full Fiscal Autonomy
Ian Murray
Wayne David
Mr Douglas Carswell
NC1
To move the following Clause—
Notices of Amendments: 23 June 2015
Scotland Bill, continued
“Independent Commission on Full Fiscal Autonomy
@thedogphilosopher
That explains it, it all becomes clear now.
Up the Hammer Villans
@JLT
Cheers, JLT, for the history review of the period leading up to Irish independence. Very similar to what Scotland is going through at the moment, I agree.
Ireland had to go through a war with the British state to gain its independence. When you read and hear what is said about and to the the people of Scotland from the British Establishment: the goading, inciting and provoking while lying to, abusing, smearing and insulting them without redress or fear of admonishment you could be led to believe that the British Establishment are trying their damned hardest to instigate a Scottish ‘uprising’ that would then give them the excuse to ‘invade’ and ‘crush the rebellious insurgent uprising’, – their long awaited “Rebellious Scots to crush, God save the Queen”.
Too far-fetched? Maybe. But with the ever-increasing levels of grievous insults and slanders thrown Scotland’s way it certainly makes you think. For sure, a Scotland version of ‘The Troubles’ would be wonderful prospect for the Britnats. Let’s hope it never goes there.
Ah, but! Maybe it’s because the Scottish people *aren’t* on the streets rioting against the ‘English‘ Establishment, even after all they have thrown at them so far, is the reason for the UK’s MSM scum ramping up the abuse meter ever higher…? With any luck they’ll all self-combust with the heat of their hatred.
Let’s piss off the Britnats to the maximum by taking our independence with people power and by the ballot box. The ideal GIRFUYz parting shot.
I may be wrong but does anyone else feel the MSM have been briefed to force us by any means into another indyref in the next couple of years, knowing that the pensioners will win it for them again?
Let’s face it, if we lost another indyref the establishment could go all out, play the “it’s been decisively decided once and for all” card, stick the boot in and stop it from ever happening again.
I think we’re being poked like an angry Bear folks whilst Lord Fuckwit stands ready with his Blunderbuss.
O/T:
link to caltonjock.com
Great spot there, Stu, regarding the Broken Record. Their “Scottish News”, a puff piece about how fracking is: “an opportunity that Scotland and the rest of the UK cannot afford to overlook” being outed as “Sponsored by INEOS” is so pathetic (and disgusting) in its ‘news-as-advertising’ fake-journalism that it surely qualifies as dark-comedy gold!
Go the Record!… And then just keep going and never come back.
I would not put it past the Establishment to have the motive of goading some sort of violent reaction in order to send in the troops.
It is an easy step from that to have the UK security services carry out a false flag attack upon some vulnerable English target if no independence supporters fall for their provocation. They have form of sacrificing their own innocent supporters.
Then again it could be a double edged attack in attempting to stir up some of the English Nationalists who we all know are a quite different proposition and have a long history of violent acts.
I don’t suppose the Establishment gives a damn who carries out the first act of violence as long as it gives the excuse to send in the troops. Whatever else it is, it seems to be a co-ordinated and concerted attack.
The Times, they are short changing…
Basically, the Royals get a rise in ‘times of austerity’.
Lo, an SNP scapegoat covers that particular arse in the billionaire press.
Wow HRH is on £35 Million of Benefits per annum!
Will she not get kicked out of Buck Palace as it has more than one bedroom?
Old Phil, the German-Greek, and her only need one bedroom now that the weans are off globe trotting with the tax payer’s money.
Can’t wait to watch Benefits Palace on TV.
How come these people always have dogs and money for Bollinger?
HandandShrimp says:
24 June, 2015 at 10:16 pm
I wonder if Newman will apologise or insist that her rendering was what he said and that he is lying.
I wonder, indeed. Given that Newman stated that ‘the quote in The Times from the keeper of the privy purse is quite catagoric, is he mistaken?’ on her twitter account.
So, who is stirrin’ it? Surely not a msm journo? A royal aid? hmmm.
Can I also add that I was shocked at the lack of respect shown in how Newman addressed and questioned our FM on twitter. You don’t get more down to earth than NS, but she should be addressed accordingly and shown the respect that a first minister deserves. Her conversation was rude and showed total lack of respect.
Her refusal to change her blog when inaccuracies were pointed out by the FM was also rather telling.
Rant over.
The Crown estate funds are NOT a devolved matter.
England’s propagandists rely on media and public ignorance to make their excreta stick. And in this instance, the Royal household to fan the flames of a brazen lie.
Jeez! One day it’s comedy gibes, next it’s smear. What a mixture of schizophrenic love-hate is England’s attitude to its ‘partner.’
Whole story debunked on STV tonight. You could have knocked me down with a feather. The MSM actually trying to get the facts correct!!
Midgehunter says:
@ Lesley-Anne
I don’t think Lizzie is very interested in your kind offer to use your tent while Buck Pal. is being renovated.
She’s over in Germany for a few days – “back to the roots” – you could say. 😉
Could be she’s house-hunting in Berlin, eyeing up the Presidents place, “Haus Bellevue” and then on to Frankfurt via Bergen-Belsen.
Wish I had a YES flag to wave when I’m in Frankfurt tomorrow..!
Thanks for the heads up Midge. As everyone knows I am always willing to prove myself to be one of her majesticshipnesses *ahem* loyal subjects and just hate the idea that she will be turfed oot when her wee house at the road end gets renovated. 😀
I can’t help but think that part of this media frenzy is partly to create a fog so the public don’t notice that Crown Estates (the people who own all the coastline, Regent Street and a sizable chunk of the nations shopping malls) only make about £285 million in profit.
So even if the profit went in it’s entirety to the Scottish Government was all of their profits it wouldn’t be very much money without queenies 20%.
I mean the Treasury must have got more taxation from Amazon than the CE who don’t forget make the money out of all those offshore windfarms yet still can’t seemingly make money from that licence to print money. They are either spectacularly incompetent or the books are manipulated so not much actual profit is made. Both are of course possibilities.
However you can’t also help but think that the continuing demonisation of Scotland isn’t really helping that promote that family of nations guff that was so important to the MSM a few months back.
That the SNP has so many MPs to ask awkward questions in PMQs is the real step forward at Westminster. They can’t hide their antipathy to Scotland as a nation and their can’t be many Scots that don’t cringe to see such naked hatred.
@ Scott Finlayson
“Lord privy”
Winston Churchill is said to have once been visited by “The Lord Privy”. Churchill’s butler went looking for him and found him in the lavatory. On announcing the presence of the Lord, Churchill replied “Tell the Lord Privy that I am sealed to my Privy and can only deal with one shit at a time”.
Precisely…..
Reference sending the troops in.
There are between 80,000-100,000 soldiers in the Army, more cuts to come. I served in the Royal Navy and every year I look for the result of te Navy v Army rugby match at Twickenham. For the last few years the Navy has been gubbed by the Army. The reason for this is that most of the Army team is made up of (mainly) Fijians but other commonwealth people.
I spoke to a serving soldier (SNP Activist) about this (a Warrant Officer) and he told me that there was about 60/40 split UK to commonwealth soldiers.
It would be a huge flashpoint to the people of Scotland to put troops on our streets. Considering, also, the commitments the Army has overseas, it would be stretching itself to breaking point. If they caused a situation like what went on in NI for 30 years, by putting troops on our streets, they wouldn’t have the numbers in Army personnel, security personnel MI5, special branch or any other unit to combat the potential unrest they would most likely cause here.
Its the owners of teamGB firing a heavy warning shot across SNP Scots.gov bows. If land reform goes any further, the press and the BBC will attack even harder, over and over until you’re gone for good. That’s why Sturgeon’s written for the Heil.
They know they can bring down any government eventually, so “choose your next moves carefully Scots.gov, this is our land and no one but no one takes it from us.”
It is pretty daunting but when is super wealthy neo fascism not.
@Robert Peffers says:
I follow your informative posts with great interest Robert. I think your post at 11:02 pm is on the money, in the near past and in their Empirical past they have plenty of form and no conscience in this field.
Thanks Robert.
I see people (rightly) not happy that it appears that Nicola Sturgeon has written an article for the Scottish Daily Mail, according to the Scottish Daily Mail.
BUT Has anyone in this all electronic contact social media society actually checked that she HAS written for the Daily Mail and its not just a cobbled together piece by the scum journalists at the Daily Mail??
After all Nicola is on Twitter, has anyone actually asked??
Or asked any one of her colleagues, who are also on twitter?
Just to add, regarding the Daily Mail auricle that is supposedly written by Nicola Sturgeon
I do suppose people have noticed the copy of the front page
shown on twitter states ‘Exclusive by Alan Roden & Graham Grant’ Somehow that doesn’t sound like ‘Written by Nicola Sturgeon’
Of course I could be wrong
Fracking. Look forward to eathquakes!!!
Oklahoma drilling regulator calls recent spike in quakes a “game changer”
Jun 24 2015, 18:57 ET
A spike in earthquakes across Oklahoma is forcing the state’s energy regulator to urgently consider tougher restrictions on drilling activity, calling it a “game changer.”
Fracking, get ready for earthquakes.
“During the June 17-24 period, Oklahoma experienced 35 earthquakes of magnitude 3.0 or greater, according to the Oklahoma Geological Survey, with some of the quakes occurring in the Oklahoma City metro area where there are no high-volume wastewater injection wells.
The spike in quakes comes two months after drillers were ordered by the Oklahoma Corporation Commission, which regulates the oil and gas industry, to stop disposing waste water below the state’s deepest rock formation.”
Only 200 turnout at the hustings says Herald.
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However Mr Rowley said the constitutional issue was not resolved and Labour had to prepare for another referendum.
He said: “We’re not going to win elections talking about what we’ve done, but we need to talk about what we are going to do.”
He added: “The constitutional debate has not gone away.
“We will have a referendum it’s not a question of if but when. The 45% is nearer to 50% now.”
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Read all about!
link to archive.is
@JLT and Marciia
SF got just less than 50% in 1918 – but this ignores the many seats Unionists refused to contest as they had no hope of even saving deposits so SF were returned uncontested (like my grandad) and also independent nats that SF had made a deal with.
The real figure would have been more like 70% if calculated correctly and unionists had contested
This percentage has been misused by historical revisionists to pretend that the setting up of the Irish Dail did not have a popular mandate
@Edward
It says on the front page “writing exclusively for the Scottish Daily Mail the SNP leader said the time had come to send a clear message that politicians in Scotland will not be sullied by that behaviour”
She’s obviously talking about abuse from all sides but as we all know the Mail couldn’t give two shits about the abuse pro-independence supporters receive. How she could lower herself to write for this scum rag I’ll never know, what does she think it will achieve?
There is no doubt, no doubt at all – to me at least – that the UK’s MSM attacks on Scotland, its people and its government is a coordinated, controlled act.
Remember the cooperated smears, fears and lies suppurating from every pore of the MSM during The Great Scam ie the Scottish referendum campaign? That episode exposed the UK’s MSM (with due exceptions to the Sunday Herald and the National) as being nothing more than bought-and-paid-for Establishment propaganda mouthpieces.
Their being exposed (denied, of course, as being no more than the work of deluded and vile cybernats), has not changed their behaviour in any way. The abusiveness has, if anything, got increasingly worse since the ‘No’ result, and, from the date of the General Election, has, indeed, gone stratospheric. And is still being coordinated and controlled.
By whom, though? Good question. Establishment quangos? ‘Deep’ state? MI5? GCHQ? Unknowns? Known unknowns?…
I do not know. I’m not supposed to know. Neither are you.
Am I just being paranoid? Mibeez aye, mibeez naw. Time will tell.
But just think of the mainstream media in the UK as being an essential piece of machinery in the British state machine and how the British state and its actors view the prospect of Scotland being independent and in control of its own resources – those Scottish resources that keep the City of London ticking over – and it becomes a probability rather than a possibility.
@Edward
I don’t know if someone has been misinformed or what, but Nicola Sturgeon has definitely not written an article for the Daily Mail, at least not today (Wednesday, June 24).
What *is* definitely coming tomorrow (Thursday, June 25) in the Daily Mail is, “THE CYBERNAT WEB OF HATE” – because the Daily Mail says so, so there, nah-nah-nah-nah-nah!
Can’t wait for that! Aaaaah… those lies, smears, fears and sneers… makes you damn proud to be a respected member of the United Kingdom, so it does. Better together and all that, eh!
@Dal Riata
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Yes she has, unfortunately.
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The only good piece of news that has come from the MSM recently, and that slipped in under the radar, in that I have not seen it mentioned elsewhere on the web.
Lloyds calls for high street banks ‘ring-fencing’.
HISTORY:
With regards the recent bank crashes: The crash was driven by the subprime housing lending in the USA. The conditions for the crash were put in place when Clinton abolished the 1933 Glass Steagle Act in 1999:
The Glass Steagle Act
Abolishion of the GSA then allowed the Commercial (Casino) and the Investment banks to merge. This is why the phrase ‘To big to fail’ came about.
This, along with banking de-regulation at National levels (for example Gordon Browns light touch banking regulation), were the main drivers for the current crisis we are now in.
I doubt if this unintuitive will be reintroduced, one can only hope.
Nicola took bad advice. It happens. One mistake from an almost faultless performance so far is pretty damn good.
I wouldn’t worry too much about her repeating this as she will learn from it and find a far more effective and productive way to improve communication between her and the party. Then she will get precisely what she wants from the membership.
It’s unfortunate certainly, but like I say, this is almost certainly the result of following some rash media advice from a likely inexperienced media advisor. Nicola won’t make the same mistake twice or be deaf to the party and her fellow MPs and MSPs. That’s for sure.
Scotland’s love affair with the royals, since George IV.
Plus landowners provide jobs for us jocks so shut up!
A view from the Telegraph darn South!
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If I were a master of disguise with a thousand expertly crafted false identities I still wouldn’t sign up for Twitter or Facebook.
I argued the case for Scottish independence, without recourse to foul language or threat, with friends and foes around the world for many years before I joined the SNP.
I didn’t join the party for fun and I didn’t expect my commitment to be trashed at the drop of a fascist hat.
‘Our’ Nicola has repaid all of us with an open insult. I’m utterly crushed by this betrayal so there’s no need to say anything more.
I’ll cancel my party membership in the morning.
@Albamac
there there there
wee scone
bye 🙂
@ Iain Gray’s Subway Lament
Sorry, that won’t wash. Nicola Sturgeon is a seasoned politician, leader of her party and First Minister of Scotland. To suggest that she swallowed dodgy advice from a novice is utter nonsense.
It’s absolutely impossible to share your confidence that she won’t make the same mistake twice. By my reckoning any number greater than zero is too great. Now that she’s jumped into the Daily Mail’s shit-chute she’s dumped all of us in a neat bundle, labeled toxic waste.
What was the grand strategy? First you fight, then you win, then you surrender? My deepest apologies to Ghandi for any similarity that may have to anything he said.
@ schrodingers cat
I’m resigning from the SNP. I’ll still be a member of the human race. If ever you find yourself in the same vicinity don’t forget to say hello, donut.
Almost forgot the obligatory 🙂 following an insult.
@Albamac
Be careful not to believe that the FM (or anyone else for that matter) actually said what the Daily Mail says they said!
She might just have briefly replied to a request for comment: that’s enough for them to say ‘writing for the mail’.
Their policy is always print first, ascertain facts later, if forced too. I’ve had first hand experience of that. About twenty years ago, nothing to do with politics, they asked me to confirm a story they ran a week before about a friend of mine. I told them where to stick their rag. bastarts
Honestly after scanning the exclusive “article” linked earlier I’d say that it’s more of a direct response from Nicola Sturgeon to that hatewankrag’s accusations than an article with their reporters setting up an SNPBAD lead-in to distort the message by highlighting abuse towards the unionists.
I personally think she made a fair response to the readers of the Daily Mail, but given the recent and rather widespread resurgence of reports in the media of the “evil” cybernats harassing poor innocent wee Unionists it may have served better as a general press release.
And for anyone who can’t stomach even an archived link to the Daily Mail I pastebinned her section.
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@Scunterbunnet
Yes, she wrote for them. Everything she said was fine but her contribution was relegated to the bottom of the page and was preceded by paragraph after paragraph of anti-SNP propaganda linking the party’s MPs, MSPs and Scottish Government Ministers to hunners an’ hunners of those vile cybernats. It was only after the Daily Mail did the great public service of exposing the SNP and its supporters as scum and presented their ‘dossier’ to the First Minister that she took action.
Then we get the ‘butter wouldn’t melt’ comments from Ruth Davidson, Kezia Dugdale and Willie Rennie.
Finally, last and certainly least, we get the ‘exclusive’ from Nicola.
Roped and hog-tied by the Daily Mail and no blindfold required.
We’re all rabid dogs and the DM has forced NS to take action. Mission accomplished. It was the Mail Wot Dunnit.
According to the Telegraph Cathy Newman presents Channel 4 News and runs the Channel 4 FactCheck blog so she must know what she is talking about when it comes to this.
It’s not as if she would spout nonsense just for the money.
I think it was quite unwise of her to write this piece.
It would be quite sufficient to say that if there has been any offence (in Law) then it should be reported to the police not the First Minister.
Spending any more time than that on muck-raking drivel is not what the First Minister is paid to do.