Wings Over Scotland

We live in strange times. There is a need for thought and regrouping.

I hope a new party emerges to allow us to continue our March to a normal independent country.

Feedback from several polling agents – a much higher turnout than 2016. What will that mean – no idea but hopeful!

Just back from polling station duties. Seems big turnouts around Glasgow, or at least bigger than last time. Keep up the good work Rev. You’re taking a lot of flak for questioning voting SNP1 but I’ve not found your advice and reading of things to be poor at any stage. You were even right about BPB, which I didn’t trust you on and sent him a tenner (okay, just a tenner so not the end of the world).

All I can say from my observations at polling stations is that the conspicuous Scottish nationalists e.g. those with saltire face masks, are voting Alba. I think these are encouraging beginnings. I was even talking to an SNP polling agent who was saying “I wish Nicola would move faster on indy”. I’m confident of a few seats and this is the beginning. Hail Alba 🙂

“Rob Brown says:
6 May, 2021 at 10:27 pm
Nicola Sturgeon is braced for newly re-elected SNP MSPs splitting away to join Alex Salmond’s newly formed Alba party once the Holyrood election count is over. The scale and speed of the defection could be such that her survival as First Minister might depend on Labour joining with the Greens to keep her in power.
According to a reliable Alba source, “more than one will cross the floor” of the Scottish Parliament when it reconvenes and “they will signal their intention to do so very swiftly.” This means that, even if the SNP manage to confound most of the opinion pollsters and muster a slight majority, they might see it vanish straight away.

link to jaggy.blog”

Does that explain that rather insane Daily Record front cover with the Sturgeon/Sarwar face-off type split?

You get what you vote for. All those that were prepared to hold their nose and vote SNP will be the same ones crying “We were robbed!!” for the next five years.

Shame on you and your gullibility.

In a slightly better place than 2 months ago

The egregious Alex Cole-Hamilton is saying that turnout is higher in unionist areas, and I read that there are long queues in Glasgow Eastwood, historically the bastion of Toryism in the west of Scotland…

I suspect turnout is higher because people have more free time, an excuse to leave the house etc. Its certainly not the excitement factor!

Bob Mack @10:18
Brilliant couldn’t agree more…everything crossed. Hopefully maybe somebody up there gives us a break

@ Rob Brown at 10:27 pm
Two sides to that one,
I thought what Neale Hanvey’s carry-on wasn’t right he got drummed out of the SNP and got elected as an independent, then did penance, to get back in and then switched to Alba .
My opinion is he should have stayed out of the SNP for at least a couple of years.
Now there appears to be others who stood as SNP candidates, and I would suggest the SNP spent a fair wedge on promoting them( I watched how much the SNP spent on Councillors) . Now they are going to jump ship.
Now the fact they stood as SNP , and were voted for as SNP. leaves me to question their integrity
The other side the piece of crap Sturgeon, betrayed members,the public and the people of Scotland together with the rest of her behavior
My conclusion on balance it’s not bad enough for her So tough

Crisiscult: it’s obviously too soon to have seen boxes being emptied, so your post is pure speculation. Think Santa Claus and tooth fairy stuff.

Jason Smoothpiece says:
6 May, 2021 at 10:18 pm
We live in strange times. There is a need for thought and regrouping.

I hope a new party emerges to allow us to continue our March to a normal independent country.

Ahem. This is May we’re in.

June not know that? Let it be July noted.. in an August silence.

I think turn out in Perth will be high 50%, early 60% – but with a higher than average unionist vote – tactical voting.

Also, I’m hoping for that miracle you mentioned recently Stuart.

@mitch – not sure what you mean. I asked in two stations how many people had voted. We know figures from last Holyrood election. So I know exactly how many folk voted and how many voted in those stations last time. So, am I missing something?

My other point is only about the 15 or so folk (in total over the whole day) who were wearing conspicuous Scottish branded stuff e.g. masks, hats, etc – they all (ALL) either spoke to me or indicated with thumbs up, whatever, that led me to believe they were voting Alba. That’s all I’m saying. I saw around 2000 people today and only about 15 wearing conspicuous national symbols, so of course that 15 is pretty meaningless in terms of what vote Alba is going to get.

I made a mistake today. I persuaded my wife not to engage with the SNP woman standing by the gate of the polling station. I thought at the time to complain to the electoral commission. My wife was right to challenge at the time. I wanted to avoid an aggravated incident. My wife is giving me a hard time now. Ah well a marriage of many decades. Us mere men we can never get it right.

link to caltonjock.com

Kirsty Wark is a BBC commentator, correspondent, journalist and political progamme maker. She is a close friend of senior Labour Party officials and office holders. Connected and powerful her influence over public opinion in Scotland is accepted by some as being absolute. She speaks the public listens and follows her lead. Is she impartial. Not on your nelly she’s not. Mention Alex Salmond in her presence and she’ll have a fit.

High turnout in my part of Wester Ross [I was polling agent] – and postal votes to add idc. Looks as if turnout will be over 80%.

The campaign had little visible effect – very few posters in houses – but people obviously are interested. Desperately hoping it is the right kind of voter who has turned out.

This is what good music does, Bonnie prince Cactus is back.. 🙂

think turn out in Perth will be high 50%, early 60% – but with a higher than average unionist vote – tactical voting.

@Daisy

Rain is a killer and it was wet all over the most deprived areas today.
Bit like the GE in June 2017 when May was looking for a “stronger hand” and lost her mandate.

That was when the Yoons surged and SNP lost 15 seats?

.
Something has been wrong with this election.

Not the criminal and brazen media blackout of the Alba Party. Nor the hostile libelous ignorance of Sturgeon showing contempt of court by denying a lawful verdict of Alex Salmond being INNOCENT

Even the deviant RAPE Advocating Disruptor Troll on Wings Over Scotland with multiple personality disorders infesting BTL at Wings.

Nope.

Something is wrong with this whole Holyrood election in a good way!

Nicola Sturgeon appears old an knackered, Remarkably haggard. Like she stepped out of Dorian Gray’s wardrobe. For 51 years of age, those guilt lines and sleepless panda eyes are not the look of a winner, which were she honest, she would be. She is within a whisker of a rare overall SNP majority and WILL be First Minister for at least the ONE week following yesterday’s election.

There is a dissonance in all of this…

Alex Salmond has been verbally battered, publicly slandered, libeled in the press and stabbed in the back.

Yet Alex looks and said he is having great fun and the time of his life!

Alex is looking his younger self again. 10 years younger. The stress of the Clown Prosecution Orrifices alleged Malfeasance in Public Office along with the criminal squandering of Police Scotland time in the fit up of Alex Salmond has dissolved away from Alec’s back.

So what is going on?

She is shitting herself at what is GUARANTEED to happen next week.

Meanwhile…

Alex has always had something up his sleeve.
.

The smell of doom from Sturgeon has the aroma of rodent. Channel de la Excrementé.

The secret end-game?

Breaking news just in…

NICOLA STURGEON WILL BE FACING ALBA MSPS IN HOLYROOD EVERY DAY FOR THE REST OF WHAT IS NOW LIKELY TO BE A VERY SHORT FIRST MINISTERSHIP.

Bobby Broon Fae Bathgate aka Jaggy is spot on with his news on this.

So dry yer eyes folks. Cheer yersel up with this…

link to jaggy.blog

Is everyone generally feeling assured regarding the safety of our preciously considered votes this night?

No exit polls, how does the Polling agent thing work?

Whose decision was it to postpone the count until the next day or two?

The jaggy claim regarding imminent defections make little sense, I’m afraid.

People would quite rightly take a very dim view of politicians who stand on an SNP ticket then defect to another party so early in the Parliament. If that was a premeditated act, which is being suggested, it would be considered a dishonest act of despicable trickery.

Let’s assume they could live with that. Why would they cross the floor? All that matters is how they vote and they could vote just as freely without crossing the floor. Yes, SNP whips would potentially have something to say, but blah, blah, blah… if you were thinking of splitting, that would be the way to do it.

Of course, all of the above is premised on there being an Alba presence in Parliament that they can cross the floor to. I hope there is, of course, but we don’t know if there will be.

It’s junk.

DanDLion says:
7 May, 2021 at 1:05 am
F**king Sturgeon, man. We could all be dancing in the streets right now knowing we’re going to start the separation process in the next few days and creating one hell of a decent society.

Yup. My own thoughts exactly.

The same thoughts I had when Sturgeon ignored the constitutional sovereignty of Scotland’s Remain majority 2016.

The same thoughts I had when Sturgeon capitulated like a craven coward to Scotland’s Brexit subjugation in 2020.

The same thoughts I had when Sturgeon didn’t use Joanna Cherry’s Court victory to revoke Article 50 unilaterally in Scotland’s name once it was ruled a sovereign prerogative.

The same thoughts I had when hearing that for 18 months surrounding the seismic events of Brexit, Sturgeon’s NEC didn’t even discuss Independence.

That’s four open goals squandered, and a fifth with her spite towards ALBA and a supermajority.

Sturgeon is a blight on us, and a curse on Scottish Independence. May she rot in hell, reviled and despised as intensely as the 1707 parcel o’ rogues who also sold Scotland out.

Well, for the first time in my life, yesterday, after a lot, lot, lot of hard thinking, I spoilt my consituency ballot paper.

I had originally planned to vote SNP 1 and ALBA2, with the SNP vote purely to help ensure ALBA got in on the list. The Rev’s data yesterday made it clear for my vote, it might be better to spoil the constituency paper and vote ALBA 2, and that is exactly what I did.

The SNP are really off the rails, and Nicola Sturgeon is a fraud. I was until a couple of years ago, a party member, attending conference and all.

I hope, and pray that ALBA do well. Besides, ALBA is a much better name than SNP.

No matter what, the fight for INDEPENDENCE and the restoration of democracy, with an end to enforced English colonial rule over Scotland, will go on.

Nobody ever said it would be easy.

P.S. No matter the result, Scotland NEEDS Reverend Stuart Campbell and wings over Scotland, more than ever.

Breeks at 0520am,

Could not agree more. Your last paragraph, sums up how many feel. For London’s gold she is bought and sold, an absolute rogue, if ever there was one. Just like in 1707, Scotland’s democracy sold out to benefit the few, or as James Tiberius Kirk may have put it, ‘the one’ – and we all know her name.

For Alibi

Alex Salmond reputation is clearly being rebuilt . There are many people even on this site who first believed all the lies the MSM reported . Many People have now realised that the redactions and censorship’s were indeed a cover . Yes there are many AS haters .. but there is a lot to come out yet ..
We have Craig Murray’s political contempt of court sentencing today , and this will not go away ! and neither will AS go away . There is a new Court case about to start and this will be exceptionally damaging, there will be much more revealed that confirms collusion to deliberately damage AS reputation.
Alex Salmond never used the word conspiracy but re watch everything he said at the Inquiry and reflect on NS recent election slur campaign .. she fears AS . Alba are rising and so is AS .. he has championed the cause of Independence all of his political life .. he is back to DELIVER it . ?

Papko says:
7 May, 2021 at 12:37 am

think turn out in Perth will be high 50%, early 60% – but with a higher than average unionist vote – tactical voting.

@Daisy

Rain is a killer and it was wet all over the most deprived areas today.
Bit like the GE in June 2017 when May was looking for a “stronger hand” and lost her mandate.

That was when the Yoons surged and SNP lost 15 seats?

– Periodic rain in late morning and afternoon in Perth – turned out nice in the evening when most of the voters came out in numbers.

Morag says:
7 May, 2021 at 1:37 am
“Woman – adult human female” written on mine – along with “Alex Salmond for First Minister”.

@Effigy – 7 May, 2021 at 6:54 am

“The English are actually scaring me to Death.
Soon you will see the old age pension cut, qualifying age up to 75 and then stopped.
More of the NHS sold off before you then need private insurance.
Welfare to be replaced by forced Labour workhouses.”

Please don’t tell me you believe any of the shit you post here.

Cos if you do, you need help and urgently.

There is lots and lots to criticise with BoJo and the Tories, but no English are going to come up to Scotland, put you in a workhouse, then deny you a pension and medical care until you die.

The sun is shining, it’s spring, and we will soon have Alba in Hollyrood. You have a good day.

I suspect and hope that Queen Nicola’s day’s are coming to an end and that this election will be the catalyst for it.

I do not think the SNP result will be anything like what Sturgeon was anticipating. The resentment expressed by many prior SNP voters was quite palpable with the predominant sentiment being that she had done nothing these last years save posture and spin.

This sentiment will without doubt reflect in the voting figures which will send a chill down the spines of those left standing. Indeed, were it not for those holding their noses and voting SNP, due in huge part to the logic of SNP1 and Alba 2 the SNP vote would have crumbled further.

Anyway, by this evening we will have the results for the constituencies. And then by Saturday evening we’ll have the regional results.

Would dearly love to read what exit pollsters are predicting. And strange that there has been any yet. Maybe the regional votes maturing for a couple of nights in safe repositories are the key to that.

I would caution against getting hopes too high.

No overnight counting leaves a massive window for rigging.

Alba coming late to the party meant a simple, more direct/less covert plan would be needed.

For me, if AS and at least a half dozen dont get voted thru – it’s rigged.

But then – covid is more dangerous at night, so maybe it makes sense…..

Children forced to wear masks in school are being abused by the cowardly teachers Unions.

Effigy

Thanks for your reply. I see you are backing off on the workhouse claims. Glad to see some reality creeping in.

But your “trapped in a one party government heading further right by the day” still bothers me. You should have gone out and voted yesterday, maybes the fresh air would have been good for you.

And you may have realised, as you marked your X, “Haud oan, we are not trapped in a one party government after all. We can go and vote them into history just like that”.

And there is the answer to it all. Vote them into history, and persuade enough other people to do the same.

Cut out the English Tories want to kill me pish. It just puts people off. Accentuate the positives of what an Independent Scotland could and should be, persuade people of your cause, and it will happen as surely as day follows night.

I get the feeling today will feel like the epic cliffhanger at the end of Empire Strikes Back – the empire having dealt a massive blow to the rebellion.

But – Covid is coming to en end. If it had ended six months ago, this election would have been entirely different and the expected outcome would be different.

They leaned very heavily on Nicola for First Minister again, because she can string a sentence together and not look like she’s lying / bluffing / out of her depth when she actually is.

But she’s entering a new parliamentary term on borrowed time even if it doesn’t look that way.

The polls say support for independence has fallen on her watch – but support for her is still stubbornly peaking. That’s a fine line to walk.
And no more Covid to distract from everything else on a daily basis.

And she looks absolutely exhausted too. Close to emotional collapse. It’s her own fault – she chose to play MacBeth.

I don’t think I’ll be able to watch her smug face or listen to her shrill voice though. I need to fuck off from Scottish politics for a couple of months. How do you break an addiction to WoS though? I quit fags ten years ago – I’m sure I can do this.

Labour get the kicking they deserve in England. Starter can now slither off and eat shit.The ordinary people may finally have realised what Labour is.The whole country is crying out for change.

Your comments about the counting process Mac do not go unnoticed.

Once upon a time polling agent could supervise the voting process, checking numbers of votes cast, seeing the boxes sealed before transportation to the count, where the ballot boxes would be opened and sorted in front of polling agents eyes.

As a process it was visible. Agent could see from the beginning to the end, could watch, and indeed sample each and every box as the ballots went through the verification process of sorting the ballots face up before the ballots being thereafter assembled into party bundles of a hundred for insertion into the tally boxes.

And now boxes closed on the conclusion of the poll and transported off to be stored for one, maybe two nights. No immediate after vote counting here. And of course huge numbers of postal votes a system recognised to be open to abuse.

And with the counting now delayed for days with returns infused with huge numbers of postal votes, election scrutiny becomes ever further removed from the people.

But how can we question honesty. How can we question why Alba was denied approval to have its logo on the ballot paper. The SNP applied after Alba to use a new revised logo after Alba. The SNP logo got approved the Alba one didn’t. The sight of the regional ballot paper with every party having a logo, whilst the Alba party didn’t, only a blank, was a stain on electoral abuse and clear attempt at vote rigging.

And similarly, how many people noticed that Nicola Sturgeon wrote to hundreds of thousands of suspected supporters to encore them to take up the option and apply for a postal vote, which postal votes were issue to voters a full three weeks before the poll.

Funny that encouragement because what most postal voters do when they get their postal vote is complete it and send it off. Vote done, vote gone, the campaign is dead to these voters thereafter.

And that then takes you to the utter censorship and media black out on Alba and Alex Salmond by the BBC and STV. Deprived of media air it is not difficult to see how in combination with early locked in postal voting, the bias and election rigging becomes further clear.

And so, going back to the boxes and the counting process how much trust can there now be in the electoral process.

Very similar in fact to the SNP’s rigging of its National Executive Committee.

Anyway, Sir John Curtice has just, against a backcloth of no exit polls, announced what he believes the result to be with the SNP falling short of a majority having secured 64 seats. Funny how he wasn’t able to predict so accurately how many Alba seats.

Sorry John Main,

Tory Westminster controls Scotland absolutely.
The dragged us out of Europe even though we had an
incredible majority against it and now they are ready to
take back 24 powers from Holyrood.

I’d put to you that if every single Scottish Vote on Brexit
or the Westminster elections was for Remain and SNP,
Scotland would still be ripped out of the EU and ruled over by
and English Tory government.

Universal DisCredit, the Bedroom Tax, the crippling of the NHS by capping Nurse’s
pay to give them a 15% pay cut, chasing off thousands of NHS Doctors and Nurses
with Brexit, stopping bursaries for English Nurses looking to train, charging other foreign NHS
medics £1,200 for a work visa, ignoring the Epidemic warnings of the Cygnus Exercise.

And the Tories tell you they can’t understand why they are short of 44,000 nurses?
With Long Covid and a dramatic rise in mental Heath needs you can hang your hat on
a 50,000 nurse shortage very soon.
The solution of course will be private companies that Tory supporters have invested in.

If this is the thin end of the wedge and it’s receiving encouragement from those in the South
the future most certainly is not bright.

You probably believe the 2 Navy Gun Boats sitting off Jersey had nothing to do with the elections?

Curtice is bluffing. He has added all the polls together and came up with a guess.

That doesn’t take into account votes already made by post and what people actually do on the day. Look at this site. Plenty of us probably didn’t make our mind up until the day before, on the first vote!

It’s quite a thought that English nationalism and the abject failure of the Labour Party in England now appears more likely to deliver Scottish independence than the Scottish National Party does.

Listening to the early analysis of Labour’s defeat in Hartlepool and local results elsewhere in the NE in particular it struck me that Labour might as well accept that their only way forward is to identify with younger, urban more socially progressive voters and try to build a coalition with what’s left of the LDs and the Greens to push for an alternative anti Tory coalition. If they push for electoral reform they might just begin to recover, but it’s obvious swathes of Little Englanders are abandoning them.

Scottish voters can’t say they had no warning.

From Craig Murray’s twitter account ,

If anybody wants to hear them send me to jail tomorrow, you can do so here.

There is likely to be some discussion of my physical medical conditions. I should be grateful to everyone, especially the media, for not repeating details of these. The bipolar bit is open, no worries.

And the details of the dial-in links for his case today ,

High Court of Justiciary
Case: Sentencing Hearing – Petition and Complaint re Craig Murray
Date: 7 May, 2021
Time: 10:00am Please note updated time
Dial (United Kingdom toll): +44-20-7660-8149
Access code: 137 643 8712

Link to his appeal for defence funds ,

link to craigmurray.org.uk

Wishing Craig all the best for today .

Willie, apparently a lot of folk saying they would have voted ALBA2 had they not already sent in their postal votes.

No coincidence the Deceiver wrote to them all to mug them of their postal vote before they got a chance to find out about ALBA’s plan for a supermajority.

It is everywhere you look.

Effigy – 7 May, 2021 at 9:12 am

“You probably believe the 2 Navy Gun Boats sitting off Jersey had nothing to do with the elections?”

Effigy, you crack me up. The sun is shining, it’s springtime, Alba will soon be in Hollyrood, and the icing on the cake, free online humour.

I absolutely, 100% believe the gunboats have nothing to do with the elections.

But I do wonder about the sort of people who would react to a spat over fishing rights by threatening to cut off electricity to an entire island of innocents. Hope the hospitals, old folk’s homes and pensioner’s accommodation blocks have private generators.

Not a great advert for the consideration and understanding of our EU brethren, those who so many so-called Scottish Independence supporters like yourself are itching to get back into bed with.

I suppose the reasoning is that the EU is justified in being nasty and vindictive to the bad English Tories. The EU, in contrast, will be like a benevolent uncle to us nice Scots. Generous hand-outs all day long. Nothing expected in return.

Dream on.

I saw a cracking btl comment in The Guardian yesterday.

Someone asked if anyone had: “Start a war with France,” in the “What’s the next stupid thing Boris will do?” sweepstake.

Me @ 9.42 am ,

Ignore the word “ tomorrow “ in my previous post as it was taken from Craig Murray’s twitter yesterday and his hearing is TODAY beginning now as per dial-in details in my post at 9.42 am .

Seeing what was done to Alex Salmond since 2014 makes me realize there are forces at work here going well beyond the legoheaded rat in Bute House.

If these forces are willing to go to such lengths in the years immediately after 2014, to kill stone dead the threat of independence, why on earth would anyone trust the results of 2014 itself. One fatally undermines confidence in the integrity of the other.

As soon as we want something these forces don’t, then we don’t have democracy anymore. It is simply denied.

So I don’t see them just letting Alex Salmond win even if wins. If the voting system has been carefully and deliberately left wide open to abuse then it is for a reason and it will be abused. Be delighted to be wrong and see ALBA do better than expected. But after witnessing the last few years my faith in fairness and democracy in the UK and Scotland sadly is entirely shot.

Stoker – Twitter banned me for using the word ‘Red Neck’ , when describing American racists. They don’t understand context. It’s a ridiculous situation , when the defender is banned and the offender continues.

Stoker. 10.06am

“All i did was tell someone that those haranguing Sturgeon were right-wingers…”

Stoker, don’t really understand your post.

Were you actually standing up for Sturgeon?

Cenchos. In the absence of an alternative one abstains from voting, but the english are like turkeys voting for christmas.

It would appear turnout is up substantially and by some accounts in SNP held areas. BBC carrying a quote saying “SNP sources say turnout has been “surprisingly high” with claims their support was motivated to go to the polls”.

What motivated them? I know I have never felt less motivated to vote SNP until ALBA came on the scene. Perhaps the SNP 1 ALBA 2 message may be getting through?

The polls are usually correct but they tend to have problems when turnout veers away from the norm. Perhaps the next couple of days may be quite interesting?

Stu,

link to europeforscotland.com

Why don’t you do a piece on Europe for Scotland and the ideas of getting into EU, since EU opened the door to nIreland if they so wish. Why can they not do the same for Scotland.

OVER 10K have signed up so far,

K

Whatever happens tomorrow, it is important that ALBA continues the struggle. So many people voted SNP 1 for the last time yesterday – these people will not get back in the Pretindy box – too much anger, too much betrayal. Many people (not all) voted SNP for independence, they have no obligation to continue supporting a party that doesn’t fight for independence. Token gestures from a pretendy party are no longer suffice – just check the Hartlepool result. In Scotland, they independence supporters need somewhere to go, something tangible to fight for.

ALBA is now the spirit of YES.

Onward and upward, whatever happens this weekend. 🙂

Hartlepool voted tory, what do you expect from people who hung a monkey as a napoleonic spy.

Mikey d

Trump didn’t start a pointless foreign war.

When Biden starts the next one, be sure to sign up and do your part.

In fact, Trump agreed a deal with Taliban in Afghan – no more US casualties and we will be out in 18 months (on May 1st 2021). Biden has ripped it up, so when the body bags start rolling is, you’ll know who to blame.

@karen
“Why don’t you do a piece on Europe for Scotland and the ideas of getting into EU, since EU opened the door to nIreland if they so wish. Why can they not do the same for Scotland.”

There is absolutely no way the Brussels will “offer Scotland an attractive way to rejoin the EU” irrespective of how many of its citizens sign this pointless petition. Nor should we want it to. Read this:

link to jaggy.blog

James you completely misunderstand my point or are twisting it to your own end. I was talking about the disconnect between elites and the working classes and Labour is seen as the elite now. Voting Tory instead is a sign of the times and I hate it but I understand the why miles better than you. Talking about exceptionalism when it comes to the people of Hartlepool is wide of the mark but then the ignorance if not active dislike of England on here is obvious so I am not surprised.

I have given up with the Yes Movement.

Sturgeon has drained every bit of enthusiasm I had for Scottish Independence out of me.

Every badge, wristband, poster, sticker with YES on it has been put away in the bottom drawer.

I will not walk one step for the Bastard Sturgeon.

I will not attend one Rally for that Bastard Sturgeon.

I will wait until I see a date for an Indy ref on a legal document, signed off by all relevant Parties.

No more being taken for a fuckin idiot by some Perverted bitch.

Fuck right off Sturgeon, you horrible perverted Bastard.

The victors always make the myths.

Mikey d – Eh? The monkey story is made up, that’s all. Look it up if you don’t believe me.

We will soon see if the ‘Eraser Boys’ were up all night.

Still getting my head round the fact that for the first time I spoiled a ballot paper – the constituency one.

Voting Alba on the list was a shout in the dark for women

The adult human female kind

And if the Rev does hang up his keyboard, then we’ll know who to blame.

Rev has repeatedly put the message out that you should avoid Voting SNP 1 at all costs.

But like the thick Bastards you are, you went ahead and done it anyway.

So don’t start pleading with the Rev when he announces he has had enough of Scottish Politics and is heading for pastures new.

So all the Wings SNP 1 Brigade, don’t start asking “why are you packing it in Rev?”.

You were all warned well in advance.

Thick Bastards.

Craig Murray, sentencing deferred to a later date.

Rev Stu

Good luck

You can always say you tried.

It’s not your fault you ran into a wall of illiterate thick Sturgeonista Bastards.

They just couldn’t let go of Sturgeon.

@Market Force,

Stoker is referring to a video online recorded by a supporter of Britain First racist Jayda Fransen where Fransen chases after Sturgeon in the street. It’s on plenty of news sites if you search for it or there’s a copy on reddit.com/r/scotland.

James 10:44 am

James, it’s people with opinions and views like yours – that are the reason that you are struggling to get Independence over the line.

Most folk are nice. Most folk just want to get along with their neighbours (literal or national). Most folk do not ascribe negative, stereotypical characteristics to other folk – just because they happen to be born/live in another country.

But you do – and that makes you a dick.

And, until you understand that – you will continue to struggle to achieve your goals. This is because whilst there are many people that might want Independence for Scotland- many of them would prefer not to be associated with the likes of you.

But I am sure you know best. Its clearly working?

Little Scotlanders eh? With no control over our own money and resources – hilarious!

Brexit was all about millionaire money laundering, and racism, obviously.

Little Englander Tories believe in British (i.e. English) exceptionalism.

Exceptionalism is the perception or belief that a species, country, society, institution, movement, individual, or time period is “exceptional” (i.e., unusual or extraordinary). The term carries the implication, whether or not specified, that the referent is superior in some way.

Southernbystander says:

….those in Hartlepool are also Brexiters but they are not voting for Labour for some of the same reasons folk on here are turning their backs on the SNP.

They’re really not you know. You seem to lack a Scottish perspective.

Disillusionment with the SNP is centred on Sturgeon’s abject failure to progress Independence. Everything else, the corruption, the Transgender lunacy, the Alex Salmond stitch-up, is all just rubbing a peculiarly nasty salt in that wound, but be in no doubt, it is Scottish Independence which is her massive failure, and why so many a sick to the back teeth of her.

I hope and believe the SNP vote will hold steady, because for many like me, it wasn’t a vote for Sturgeon, it was a vote to keep Unionists out of Holyrood, – SNP dominant in Constituency Seats, and hopefully, ALBA doing well in List Seats,- all focussed on squeezing Unionists out of Holyrood seats.

The plan was good, but as ever, Sturgeon is absolutely determined to be the weakest link and Scotland’s greatest liability. The biggest anxiety now is that the deluded imbecile will interpret a strong SNP vote as vindication of her inane bullshit and dismal strategic ineptitude.

In the end I went for spoil 1 Alba 2

Left a message for Lady Marmalade’s OLD man
re free speech & women’s rights!

The reason Craig Murray’s sentencing has been delayed is for who’s in power in Scotland to clarify.

When the timetabling of his sentencing was first announced the Covid delay on the count was not anticipated, and ALBA had not launched, so who’s in power should have been clear by 10am today.

This absolutely stinks.

Market Force says: at 11:08 am

“I have given up with the Yes Movement.

Sturgeon has drained every bit of enthusiasm I had for Scottish Independence out of me.

Every badge, wristband, poster, sticker with YES on it has been put away in the bottom drawer.”
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Oh dear M.F.
Are you still trying to flog your Son of Scotland crap..!!??

You’re just part of the wastage that “Sarwars nodding Donkeys” has thrown into the hole in the dyke to stem the rise of ALBA.

Whether it takes a Week, a Month or even 5 years, you and the rest of your Brit Nat “chums” can’t stop it, sweetie pie. 🙂

Totally agree Heaver. After listening to proceedings today, they were definitely there to send Craig down. Craig’s lawyer today was superb, he put the kangaroos on the back foot, hence them needing more time to refer back to the original plan.

Balaaargh says: 11.37am.

I saw that video, and the main thing that struck me was how tiny Sturgeon is. She’s clearly suffering from small person syndrome. (as well as many other things)

That’s good news, scozzie.

It’s truly tragic that Craig Murray, one of the most principled and conscientious political voices this country has to offer, is being dragged through this.

Scotland is corrupt wasteland when the government can openly attempt to frame an innocent man for crimes he didn’t commit, then try to imprison people like Craig Murray who object. There isn’t a journalist or political pundit out there that doesn’t know or strongly suspect that’s what happened.

Sturgeon’s strategy of redacting and hiding the truth on every issue that goes against the grain of her selfish interests and position is probably the ugliest thing I’ve ever seen in British politics.

Alba, Now Scotland, all of us, we should drop everything and focus on revealing the scandalous truth of all this before we go anywhere. I don’t see how we can ever move on until the truth of the Salmond scandal is properly addressed in a criminal court.

Sensibledave,
“ Most folk do not ascribe negative, stereotypical characteristics to other folk – just because they happen to be born/live in another country”

You should tell that to the sweaties, the thick spuds, the taffs, the frogs, the krauts, the spics, camel jockeys and the piccaninnies with watermelon smiles.
Some of rather quaint names you guys have for the rest of the world.

The reason Scotland is having trouble achieving our goal is down to undue outside influence.
That is exactly why you are here.

Red says:
7 May, 2021 at 12:23 pm
Ah, English chat I see.

I like the English, they’re good lads.

Reply

My problem with any debate about the English is that I don’t know what is meant by the English.

Can anyone help?

@Breastplate 7 May, 2021 at 12:27 pm

“You should tell that to the sweaties, the thick spuds, the taffs, the frogs, the krauts, the spics, camel jockeys and the piccaninnies with watermelon smiles.
Some of rather quaint names you guys have for the rest of the world.”

You could have added “Yoons” there too though ?
The reason Scotland is having trouble achieving our goal is down to making enemies of the very same people we need to convince. Deep thinking though for many i’m sure.

Never Defeated Always Cheated eh Effigy, you’ve now got it down to a fine art alongside your repellant views on English voters, your actually getting your excuses in early for your GE which you have no way of knowing whether you’ve won or lost.

“Little Englanders?” Take it you’ve never been to Hartlepool or surrounding areas. The Labour Party down south would be proud to have you. Whats funniest of all is you can’t see and probably never will is that you are the most glaringly obvious example of an “useful idiot” which benefits the people/organisations who ultimately “pull the strings of all of us! What better way to keep the working class down than set them against one another?

Instead of shouting slogans at people you disagree with , maybe try and understand why they vote as they do, and if you really think the present Government is “far right” well, you 3ither have just left school or there really is no hope for you!

@Balaaargh says:
7 May, 2021 at 11:37 am
@Market Force,
“Stoker is referring to a video online recorded by a supporter of Britain First racist Jayda Fransen where Fransen chases after Sturgeon in the street. It’s on plenty of news sites if you search for it or there’s a copy on reddit.com/r/scotland.”

I watched it. Jayda is a nutter (being polite), but NS needs to learn to control her temper. The best way to deal with someone ranting is to simply stand there and say nothing. They soon run out words. Snapping back just escalates things into a shouting match. Once they finally shut up, then you deliver your response in a firm voice. Anyone who has worked in a call centre will know exactly what I mean.

Works 99/100, although with Jayda she sounds like she is powered by bloody Duracell.

Stuart has put in a genuine effort to warn people about SNP votes and what it endorses and supports. I’ve warned others and we can only hope people listened, although I fear the worst. I’d rather tear my ballots up than do a “both votes” for them and thankfully we have the right to spoil and two seperate papers so the best of both worlds in a civil manner is possible!

@John H says 7 May, 2021 at 11:30 am

“The court is adjourned until Tuesday morning at 9:45am where a sentence in the case of Craig Murray is expected. Lady Dorrain said the court needed additional time to pay “proper attention” to the submission made this morning. She said this is a “difficult and anxious matter.”

So what extra evidence was presented ? Did he finally play the “I have a medical history of mental illness card” ?

Red, as ever well said, although we come from a different perspective on the issue of Independance , if it came to another referendum and people such as you won, I would breathe a sigh of relief for my country as it would be in good hands.

Ultimately in my experience the Scots and English are not that different , the normal ones, unfortunately the extremes on both sides hog the limelight

Every nation is unique and special. What’s wrong with believing in that when it is clearly true? Being unique and special doesnt’ mean other people are bad or not unique and special themselves. I look at art and culture from around the world and through the ages and this proves it over and over again without doubt that unique and special is the rule and not the exception! The world is more interesting for it. Imagine how dull it would be to travel and every place was just like your local town’s high street. Yawn.

Yeesh. Try to have some self respect and pride, people, or others will just walk over you and use you.

We, the Now Scotland National Committee, utterly condemn the latest delay in the sentencing of Craig Murray, which was announced today.

It is the very definition of cruel and unusual punishment to keep any citizen waiting on their sentence any longer than absolutely necessary.
Justice should be swift and sure, not floundering and slow.

The taint of suspicion that this delay was to convenience a general election is an affront to the supposedly non political nature of Scotland’s Judiciary, displaying them cowardly, and an even greater affront to the electorate of Scotland themselves.

We propose that our members examine how they would want Now Scotland to proceed with framing and campaigning for our future constitution to address this structural weakness which is clearly unacceptable for an Independent Scotland and that we prepare to address this at our next members assembly.

NowScotland
link to nowscotland.scot