Wings Over Scotland

Salmond pointed out. That it took from 2011 to 2014 to get a referendum, and he started on day one.

He pointed out that Cameron’s position on a section 30, was not what it was in 2011. Salmond pushed Cameron into a concession, with a very clever strategy. Many believe they just agreed at the outset because the SNP won the election.

If Nicola was serious. She would start all the negotiations now, in readiness for the end of the pandemic. If she plans to wait and wait. Then forget indy ref 2 in this parliament.

Which is why we are all confident that there won’t be a referendum. She demonstrates this every day she delays.

Pixywine, yes I am well aware that there is an enormous number of coronaviruses. This is a novel coronavirus, it is a new form, there’s nothing odd about that. 20% of common colds are caused by coronaviruses and there are altogether 7 types which infect humans. Why do you find it so hard to believe in the existence of the current one?
No, you are nothing like me.

We’re gonna have a cartoon a week until November. Mostly, they will be supplied by Chris Cairns. I guess Stella or Rev Stu himself will fill in as golfing holiday relief. Stella would be my choice, as I don’t believe Rev Stu really sees himself as a practising cartoonist. Well, he does practice but hasn’t quite mastered the art.

Is every new page gonna turn into this example? Where the actual subject of the cartoon – Hamish (Scotland) and his backup, standing against Westminster imposed idealogical policies – is suppressed, in a rush to prove that one particular theory about coronavirus is more believable than another?

And it’s only Tuesday. Another three and a bit days until we get a fresh page to comment on.

D:Ream/Labour 1997 springs to mind.

A quote from this page:-

link to wingsoverscotland.com

““A world of conspiracy theories, hatred and paranoia. This is a brand of nationalism that seeks to peddle falsehoods and unfounded allegations against anyone who isn’t a believer. It is nasty, sewage politics that debases public life. And yet the Wings Over Scotland [sic] is cited as an authoritative source by some leading SNP figures who really should know better.”
– Murray Foote (Daily Record)”

Oh, THAT Murray Foote!

Ruby says:
“Do you think we could compare ourselves to Native Americans &
Indigenous Australians who both have very high rates & drug & alcohol addiction?

Do you think being colonised is the root cause?”

The short answer is yes. Sir Harry Burns, former Chief Medical Officer, considered Scotland’s poor health statistics to be very similar to other aborigine peoples who have become ‘dislocated from their culture’ mainly as a result of colonialism. Aso related to colonialism, Professor Michael Hechter found Scotland’s structural inequalities were due in part to an imposed ethnic/cultural division of labour. This it was argued is a consequence of colonialism which results in under-development of a people and their culture, which is also a result of cultural and linguistic imperialism and the imposition and domination of an elite cultural hegemony which does not reflect the indigenous culture, language or values, leading to discrimination becoming institutionalised and oppression internalised, and hence fewer socio-economic opportunities for the indigenous people.

link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com

Very interesting Alf, but I think it’s more to do with booze,fags, greasy fish /chips, kebab and burger shops, lack of exercise etc etc.

Cultural and linguistic imperialism? No’ really!

akenaton says:
18 May, 2021 at 8:17 pm
Very interesting Alf, but I think it’s more to do with booze,fags, greasy fish /chips, kebab and burger shops, lack of exercise etc etc.

Reply

None of the above leads to drug or alcohol addiction.

link to caltonjock.com

The Alex Salmond debacle provided evidence of serious shortcomings in the SNP government led by Nicolas Sturgeon and there are growing concerns her government has become distracted by the pursuit of controversial political doctrine with result that it has lost its way in the efficient provision of Health, Education, policing and local government.

Worryingly boundaries between politicians, the Scottish Government, the Scottish civil service and the Law are being compromised, placing the health and well being of the people of Scotland increasingly at risk of political and social disorder due to the imposition of draconian laws and policies changing the accepted norms of society without consultation or approval of the electorate.

Any Indy Rally will be hijacked by the Sturgeon lot, taking full credit for it and she will tell the world that Boris Johnson is a very bad man for not allowing Scotland it’s rightful Independence Referendum.

She will be full of faux outrage.

Rinse and Repeat.

I am not given Sturgeon the chance to claim any credit off the back of me marching up and down an Edinburgh street.

Get an Referendum date wrote down in black and white Nicola.

Then I might consider getting back on the Campaign Trail.

Brian Doonthetoon says:at 7:35 pm

“We’re gonna have a cartoon a week until November. Mostly, they will be supplied by Chris Cairns. I guess Stella or Rev Stu himself will fill in as golfing holiday relief. Stella would be my choice, as I don’t believe Rev Stu really sees himself as a practising cartoonist. Well, he does practice but hasn’t quite mastered the art.”

Pfft! That’s an outrageous, insulting, derogatory, hurtful, and quite possibly verging on hate speech comment!
I thought Stu’s previous work was a stunning modern day manifestation of the Lowryesque genre. 🙂

link to wingsoverscotland.com

Anyone know what`s happening with Craig Murray,

has Judge Dorian got him in chains yet or is the judge waiting on orders from She/Her on what to do next.

link to archive.is

Info for anyone planning on take the bus to Holyrood.

Road closed for 7 months. Residents to take taxis.

The newly elected Edinburgh Central MSP might have a few problems to sort out.

Can’t help thinking that the last 7 months would have been a better time to do this.

Brian Doonthetoon says:
I don’t believe Rev Stu really sees himself as a practising cartoonist. Well, he does practice but hasn’t quite mastered the art.

Reply
Oh I don’t know about.

I see no reason why his work couldn’t be eligible for the Turner Prize. I thought it was a very memorable piece of work with a very profound message.

I thought it was a very memorable piece of work.

PS The language in the you tube video that you didn’t know if it was Italian or Spanish was Portuguese.

I noticed that John Swinney was bagged earlier today. Sounded to me like Sturgeon wanted rid of him as quickly as possible. The forensic MSP from Dumbarton was less than complimentary about Swinney’s achievements to date, imploring him to try much harder next time. Minister for Covid Recovery cannot be that complex, can it?

He just needs to be joined by that other vainglorious fool James Wolffe and we will at last be getting somewhere.

“I don’t believe Rev Stu really sees himself as a practising cartoonist. Well, he does practice” @ Dan says at 9:21pm

I think his male anatomy drawing on his spoilt ballot paper was one of his finer postmodernist pieces!

😉

Ruby says:
18 May, 2021 at 10:30 pm
PaulaJ says:

“Do you think we could compare ourselves to Native Americans &
Indigenous Australians who both have very high rates & drug & alcohol addiction?

Do you think being colonised is the root cause?”

What the Hell is wrong with you brains ? Scotland has nevee ever been a colony , Scotland chose to join the bigfer UK by its own choice , Get off you knees for Gods sake and stop the fake whining.Scotland CHOSE to jin the UK to get access to Englands trade routes after nearly being Bankcrupted by the Darien Scheme Cock up, learn soem effing History instead of making up your own fantasties.

@James Che. 18 May, 2021 at 7:37 pm

“Does any one know the deaths from influenza for England and Wales 2018/2019?
Does anyone know the total winter mortality deaths for England and Wales 2018/2019.

Does anyone know if the mortality deaths for covid have been counted separately from flu deaths in England and Wales for 2019/ /2020 as I can’t find that particular years statistics?
Have they ceased counting flu or other winter mortality deaths when covid started?”

How hard can it be ?
link to ons.gov.uk

link to ons.gov.uk

I’m sure you will have worked out WHY Flu Deaths are down ? Social diostancing, working from Home , Extra Free Flu Jabs down to age 50, Hand sanatising, Lockdowns etc ect ect

See what I mean? Furious denial.

‘Yossarian’ (colonel) “The forensic MSP from Dumbarton…”

COMEDY GOLD!

It is worth noting that the Celts are the indigenous people of these isles. The Anglo-Saxons are not.

I see that Rhiannon Spear has become the Women’s Convener on the Snp NEC again , do any Snp members know if there was a vote taken by the membership on her election or was she just *put* into the position by Mr & Mrs Murrell . That’s another blow for women’s rights with her back in the post .

I wonder who’ll now be *put* into the the vacant post of equalities Convener although we’ve all got a good idea who that’ll be ?.

Asked via twitter if there would be any interest in a Friends of Wings social before the end of this year.

Healthy response, with the to-be-expected scattering of angry dismissals, but a lot has changed since we had the last one. Regardless of who’s to blame for the changed atmosphere, what’s the feeling here?

Saffron Robe @ 1:12 am

“It is worth noting that the Celts are the indigenous people of these isles. The Anglo-Saxons are not.”

The Neolithic peoples in Scotland predate ‘Celts’ by a considerable length as did the Pictish tribes who were around pre and during the Roman period mostly along the east coast. The north and north-east of Scotland and northern isles were also heavily Norse influenced during the viking period, whilst from medieval times the more heavily populated eastern Scotland historically traded with the near continent and Baltic which influenced population and language development, particularly the development of the Scots language and culture, the latter giving us the basis of our national consciousness, in addition to Celtic influence.

Scotland has two indigenous languages efter aw – Scots and Gaelic – yet only one has been afforded statutory authority and support. As Billy Kay wrote, a consequence of this anti-Scots language prejudice and general misunderstanding, which is politically motivated, is that British “educationalists often refer to the ‘inarticulate Scot’ as if it were a hereditary disease, instead of shackling people to one language” (i.e. English), the latter no more than linguistic imperialism and therefore an attempt at linguicide, a common feature of colonialism, which is racism.

So the Succession of Sturgeon is underway. I wonder who is going to take over. I wonder….

@ Iain Brotherhood re WOS Social

Not having been able to attend any in the past due to personal circumstances – I would very much like to attend one now.

Can I suggest holding it in the open, in a picnic type format.

Also, better get it in before Covid Lockdown 3 starts in August. Can we call that the Rangers strain of the virus do you think? Or would Orange Covid be a better name.

Daisy Walker , please don’t suggest a lockdown in August . I know it’s selfish but I have a very BIG birthday in August and I want my kids, sons in law and grandkids in attendance!

Perish the thought of a lockdown then.

Stuart MacKay says: I wrote-in a couple of weeks ago saying that the country I last worked in used to send its crooked parliamentarians to Malaz Jail. There used to be a hand-painted sign on the perimeter wall of Malaz which said ‘we don’t fire warning shots’.

On his first day there, his hair would be shaved-off and he would be de-loused. He would then be allocated a space on the concrete floor to sleep and would be handed a loose carpet which would be his only pocession while there.

I always thought Swinney had that haunted shaven-headed look of Malaz about him you know.

Dave Somerville says:
18 May, 2021 at 8:54 pm
Any Indy Rally will be hijacked by the Sturgeon lot, taking full credit for it and she will tell the world that Boris Johnson is a very bad man for not allowing Scotland it’s rightful Independence Referendum.

Then I might consider getting back on the Campaign Trail.

Nice try, Dave.

You know fine well that Nicola Sturgeon has shunned indy marches for a long long time. She hasn’t been seen near them. With an increasing number of indy supporters now very angry with her, do you think she would be brave enough to face em now?

The people that march will be strong supporters of “Do Something Now!”, many will be activists,many will be ALBA supporters still seething at the way she treated Alex Salmond. So do you think Sturgeon, with her “Now is Not The Time!” stance, will turn up to face the angry mob? Aye right. We march for Scotland, not for Sturgeon. Just sayin. 🙂

Sad how fast these comments become rudderless without fresh posts. Language and ‘scottish identity’ seem to be the prevailing themes – and 1707 this/that/whatever. Who cares? Someone once said that when meeting an Afghan villager, expect them to hold a grudge about wars and invasions from hundreds of years ago. That concept is familiar to anyone sadly browsing these comments.

What is lacking is the voice of business, the voice of economists. You will never convert anyone except the left behinds with this level of looking backwards and downwards.

Why don’t some of the long term supporters of independence on this site, who have been thinking about independence for many years – just start stating (loosely) quantifiable benefits of independence to the economy? There’s an absolute certainty that Scotland is being robbed in this union – lets start talking in solid terms about why that’s true?

Bear in mind 60% of trade (= the livelihoods of regular punters) relies on free movement of goods and people on this single land mass. But don’t forget that a lot of the tax take comes from that trade. You can’t just turn off the taps and still say the bath will fill up anyway – so the experts on these comments – tell the soft no’s how that bath will be filled?

Or how about I just check in tomorrow and find I’ve been called a yoon and everyone just keeps taking in the vague abstract about gaelic and what happened in the past.

If you don’t know how an independent scotland would work as an economy – then you’re in good company. Nobody currently does.

Out.

Jockanese Wind Talker says:
18 May, 2021 at 10:35 pm

“I think his male anatomy drawing on his spoilt ballot paper was one of his finer postmodernist pieces!”

#HateCrimeKlaxon
FFS JWT, this is Scotland 2021, and you should well know by now that it is also quite feasible for a woman with her female anatomy to sport a cock and baws.
Please kerb your misgendering, ignorance of the law is no excuse!

Stuart MacKay – It’s about Swinney, Stuart. Covid is nearly over and so there’s no need for him stick around for too much longer.

@ Dorothy Devine 19 May, 2021 at 8:31 am
“Don’s ‘effing history’ is pretty skewed.”

Only as i’m a realist that can understand a bit of economics and the other things my own side tell me unlike many others here

link to scottishparliament.tv

link to ifs.org.uk

There are also people here still think the last Indyref was rigged despite having that explained tp them many several times link to wingsoverscotland.com

@ Captain Yossarian 19 May, 2021 at 9:26 am
“Stuart MacKay – It’s about Swinney, Stuart. Covid is nearly over and so there’s no need for him stick around for too much longer.”

I think its more about finding a high profile roll for Angus Robertson because we need more half German carpebaggers instead of sovereign Scots at the top of Scottish Politics don’t we ?

@true scot 19 May, 2021 at 9:06 am

“What is lacking is the voice of business, the voice of economists. You will never convert anyone except the left behinds with this level of looking backwards and downwards.

Why don’t some of the long term supporters of independence on this site, who have been thinking about independence for many years – just start stating (loosely) quantifiable benefits of independence to the economy? There’s an absolute certainty that Scotland is being robbed in this union – lets start talking in solid terms about why that’s true?

Bear in mind 60% of trade (= the livelihoods of regular punters) relies on free movement of goods and people on this single land mass. But don’t forget that a lot of the tax take comes from that trade. You can’t just turn off the taps and still say the bath will fill up anyway – so the experts on these comments – tell the soft no’s how that bath will be filled ?”

I’m not so sure about that link to archive.is

@ Ian Brotherhood at 9.31

I too would welcome some sort of gathering. My list of “familiar faces who, sadly, would no longer be welcome” might not be the same as yours; I would be rather surprised if any of the ones I’m thinking of would have any interest in turning up to such an event! (Certainly you shouldn’t have to be a gatekeeper, though!)

The takedown of the the Scottish Parliament and Sturgeons faux government continues apace.

The Murrells have played a blinder on behalf of the British State.Absolute shitehawks.

Ottomanboi
Printing in the Netherlands
/
I wonder if you know that the reason why people used to choose the Netherlands to print and publish their books was to evade strict licensing laws.
Hobbes and Spinoza both published there.

Licensing
/
Censorship

Well Boris Jonson just loves to breach International Law, this time by upping the number of nukes in the UK from 180 to a whopping 260, (and remember these nukes are based 30 miles from Scotland’s largest city) he’s breaking the (NPT) the Non Proliferation Treaty.

Johnson also plans to send more UK troops abroad, and I doubt very much it will be just for peacekeeping missions though that will be the official narrative spewed out by the BritNat media.

Sturgeon the betrayer is by not holding an indyref keeping us tied into this.

So the High court in England has told the Tory government that it can keep secret the amount of taxpayers cash it wasted on unusable PPE supplied by PestFix, Clandeboy and Ayanda, and Sturgeon the Betrayer says if Johnson says no to an S30 she’ll take it all the way through the courts. Who f*ck is she trying to kid.

I myself have a small rubber boat I push about in the bath, so I was thinking of asking for millions from the UK government to start a ferry company….anyone got Chris Graylings number?

Both votes SNP vs
Both votes yes

Both votes SNP allowed 23 additional unionists
to gain seats on the list

If the SNP support backed
Both votes yes, this would have made the Alba Party
the second largest party with 30 seats, a pro-indy
supermajority of 30

AlbaParty.org/join

link to tinyurl.com

What about a different type of protest?

Luigi. 9.05

Luigi, I never once mentioned Nicola Sturgeon would turn up at any rally.

What is it with some contributors twisting words to suit their own tiny agenda.

I was meaning she would hijack the message any Indy Rally would send out.

And I personally will not give up any of my time to further the cause of Sturgeonism.

She will appear on our screens telling the people of Scotland she can’t do a thing regards a Referendum, all because of a big bad man in Westminster stopped her.

How do I know this? Because it’s what she has been doing since she moved into Bute House.

Let’s see a date for the Referendum wrote down in black and white first.

Then we really do have something to march for.

And not some vanity project for the Murrells.

I went into a pub in Greenock on Monday, place was nearly empty, I had my camera with me as I was out and about that day, I asked a guy from gourock who I was chatting with would he mind if I took a photy of him, no go ahead he said, so I took one photo of him, he was drinking soft drinks as he said he had a motorbike and he was driving back to Gourock on it.
I moved to another part of the pub because I wanted to take a photo of that part, I spotted a couple sitting near the part I wished to take a photo of, I asked the guy do you mind me taking a photo of you both, no not at all he said, so I took the photo, but his partner said, I don’t want my photo taken, no argument happened concerning this, but a wee plonker from the staff asked me to leave because I took a photo, I deleted the photo but I still had to leave as this in her little mind was a grave offence that maybe I should have been hung drawn and quartered for, I was leaving anyway as I was going for my bus home.
This silly little woman is employed by someone who relies on people like me to make a living, and this silly female is asking me to leave for taken a photo that I was given permission to take buy the guy in the photo
That is one bar I will never go into again while the owner employs a fool like her.
Been about 2 years since I entered any bar, well before the pandemic restrictions where put in place, and this kind of nonesense was one of the reasons why, pubs where closing down at the rate of two a week because of lack of custom, any bar owner reading this that went bust now knows what part of the reason was, you are employing idiots that ask customers to leave for no good reason, your paying them, and they take it upon themselves to ask your livlihood to leave, I spent about a fiver in that bar, but I will not be spending any more time of money in that bar,

Its name is the same as the thing you put on the bottom of a horses leg and its on Kilblain Street in Greenock, next to the bus stance………………. Keep well clear is my advice, and don’t dare take a photo lol

Calton Jock. Get rid of your cookies then I can read your stuff.
What are AUOB going to do on Saturday if they find some anti lockdown protesters outside Holyrood? Would you join us? Or will your Stockholm Syndrom kick in?

Republicofscotland

Sheep farming is already on the edge of the precipice and a trade deal with NZ will send it over. The Kiwis bit the bullet over farm subsidies a while ago and there’s simply no chance that Scottish farmers can adjust in time after the body blow that Brexit delivered.

I skimmed through some of the provisions on the Internal Market Bill and there does not seem to be any possibility for local support of farmers. So for example the government does not seem able to source food in Scotland for school meals as that would seem to run afoul of the extensive non-discrimination clauses.

Only some form of autonomy would put us in a position to save farming. The quality is there but marketing and branding as distinctively Scottish would appear to be a good way of saving many, but probably not all, producers.

Ironic that the first to say yes to Brexit and No to independence are the first to be sacrificed.

@Fireproofjim 19 May, 2021 at 12:07 pm

“I see Pixywine is back with his usual illiterate foul mouthed ranting, and his anti vaccination, science denying rubbish.”

Though well camouflaged among so many who are equally terminally confused.

@Pixywine 19 May, 2021 at 11:29 am

“Bartley. ” A novel virus” Give it up man. It was downgraded to no more serious than a flu virus in March/April 2020 before the lockdown so give over with 77th propaganda. We’ve heard that shit before. Imagine the brass to keep spraffing that shit”

Your mental you are so why keep “spraffing” your shit.
link to thelancet.com

Dave Somerville says:
19 May, 2021 at 11:21 am

Fair point Dave, but I just don’t accept your argument that Sturgeon will attempt to “hijack” any future indy march. Stay away? Yes; Try to ignore? Absolutely. But “try to hijack”? Come on – that’s stretching it quite a bit beyond credibility IMO. How on earth could she hijack it – stick her feet in the ground and say “not ye”? Aye right that’ll go down well lol.

If you want to boycott any future indy march, that’s entirely your choice. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. IMO, we need to keep marching in spite of Sturgeon – believe me the last thing she probably wants is big indy marches making a return. We march for Scotland not Sturgeon. Boycott if you wish, but don’t expect others to swallow it.

I wonder if there are any subtle clues to the petrol bombing of Peter Lawell’s house last night.
Something like a Union Flag perhaps and a tape of the Sash.
These disgusting knuckledraggers are a dangerous blight on the West of Scotland with their perverted sense of entitlement for their useless lives.
It’s time that Rangers took some responsibility for the actions of these louts.
I am not a Celtic fan (Aberdeen for my sins) but I fear what these dangerous fools are capable of in the event of independence, brainwashed as they are by their Orange godfathers.

Republicofscotland says: “Sturgeon the Betrayer says if Johnson says no to an S30 she’ll take it all the way through the courts.”

See right there, that’s a revelation in itself. As someone recently pointed out on here or Twitter: given the length of time it takes most Court cases to run the full procedure why isn’t she asking for the S30 right now?

She knows UKGov will just laugh at her *again* as they say no. Ask now, they refuse, start legal proceedings, simple! She’s a procrastinating proven liar with no intentions of delivering indy, that’s why.

And as a lot of countries have already proven, Covid is no excuse. Our elections have also just proved that.

Idea for Indy.

R&D could benefit by the creation of a carefully overseen Scottish patent and bursary office, building on the historical narrative of Scottish innovation: the object of which would be to unburden the would-be innovator from soul-destroying legal processes and financial pressures.

I think the Rev will be really pleased down in Bath.One of his favourite SNP politicians,Shirley-Anne Sommerville has caught Nicola’s attention as a rising talent.

«Despite his lack of either scientific qualifications or an electoral mandate, Bill Gates regularly presses the need for mass global vaccination with products made by the companies he owns, using platforms given to him by the media outlets he funds»

link to off-guardian.org

«The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation have an incredible record of bringing about substantial change in the world’s poorest countries, empowering them to improve their life chances in a range of ways, from improving healthcare and combating infectious diseases to increasing access to education»
Nicola Sturgeon.
link to insider.co.uk

Cherrybank – I’ve just hear she’s the new Education Minister…words fail me.

Stuart MacKay @11.51pm.

Stuart.

Its no secret that Australia has ruined its beef exports market, with China, China purchased the majority of beef from Australia’s super ranches.

However Australia is the tip of the USA’s Five Eyes spear, and the country’s government has been goading China for a while now on behalf of the USA, and China finally retaliated by sanctioning Australian beef.

So a new market must be found, I have read that Australia is receiving funding from the USA to continue its actions against China.

Ruby @10.51am.

Yes Ruby, I know what you are referring to, and although Joanna Cherry did win a case in the English courts, its a completely different matter that the courts would actively grant the S30 and potentially see the UK break up, seriously damaging England’s economy, and possibly damaged Westminster’s pride, due to the removal of Trident and the likely loss of the seat permanent on UNSC which would be a huge blow to Johnsons and Whitehall’s ego.

UNSC seats are permanent, for the permanent members, China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States. but there is a a way to remove a permanent member, also all the permanent members possess nuclear weapons, not a prerequisite I think, but I’m not sure.

@RepublicofScotland

There is no chance that any Govt.of an Independent Kingdom of Scotland would start off a relationship with a larger neighbour and biggest export market by telling the Kingdom of England & Northern Ireland (KENI), to get their nukes out of Scotland on week 1.

HMNB Clyde and associated facilities would no doubt become a Sovereign Base Area for KENI, perhaps on a 20/30 year lease or similar – Scotland’s answer to Gitmo.

Pixywine

Away and lie in your pish.

The more pedestrianisation the better – fcuck off somewhere else in your clown car.

Stuart MacKay @2.05pm.

I suppose there is the possibility of a short term contraction, but surely that would be balanced out by our export market, we’d also have control of immigration which would allow our tax based to grow as well. England has conveniently kept our population small and manageable whilst stripping our assets, that would stop as well.

We have a huge surplus of energy that the world requires including England who already syphons off our excess electricity to keep the lights on. Joining EFTA would allows us access to EU market and the UK market, so although there are bumps on the road along the way, such as amassing enough of a reserve currency (which would be less than a larger country) and a lender of last resort if needed, I see no reason why an independent Scotland wouldn’t start off in a reasonably healthy state.

James Kelly of Scot goes Pop fame, blogged that’ if the SNP came back in 2026 asking for another Independence mandate, we can assume we have been had’!

Really?? wait until 2026 to find out if the SNP are a bunch of lazy, deceitful bestards?

The less cognitively challenged, or utterly naïve, Independence supporters worked that out years ago!

As for WGD ‘Gimme a quid’ Kavannagh…. Imagine shaking a can for your personal bank account from true Independence supporters only for those same independence supporters to be sneered at and blocked because they don’t like the lies of his beloved leader!

What a sad place the Nicola cult have led the Indy cause!

seems like if your selfish and greedy, there is money to be made in exploiting the goodwill of independence supporters. SNP careerists are no exception!

Pixywine, I am not a man. Please take your stupid conspiracy theories and shove them up your arse. It’s hardly my fault that you are incapable of understanding what you read.

Don @ 12:24 pm

“The economy is not linked to the constitution of a country”

The main aim of colonialism to to plunder and exploit other countries which by implication leaves them under-developed and impoverished. In this sense the resources of a colonised country are not used to enable its own development or the development of its people. This is why the UN describes colonialism as ‘a scourge’ and calls for its ending.

@Don…

You want evidence of Scotland’s economic injury through the Union?

Read the McCrone Report. Easy read, won’t take you long, just 20 pages of it. Then look at Scotland’s wealth, compare it to Norway’s wealth, then join the dots, and hey presto, a graphic picture emerges.

It’s essentially the difference between competent long term husbandry of a valuable resource in Norway’s case, and short sighted plundering exploitation in Scotland’s case… though not even by Scotland, but A. N. Other…

Luigi 12.24pm

Last time I’m explaining this.

Any Indy Rally held in Edinburgh, you can bet Sturgeon will attach herself onto it.

Not physically, but through the media.

She will piggyback onto the message the true Indy supporters are trying to send to the people of Scotland.

She’ll be on the Marr show like a shot, portraying herself as the warrior of the Indy Movement who can’t go any further until that bad English government gives her this Section 30 order.

But she will tell her gullable Flock that she will never give up the fight for Independence.

Rinse and Repeat for five years, Job done!

I will not contribute to her con anymore.

Get a date wrote down on a legal document stating when the next Indy referendum will be held, then I will consider taking part in any future Rallies.

But not until then.

So Sturgeon the Betrayer was sworn in as FM today at Edinburgh’s Court of Session, the physically-distanced ceremony, was before Lord President Lord Carloway, Lord Justice Clerk Lady Dorrian, and Lord Menzie.

No doubt Sturgeon the Betrayer, aimed a nod and a wink towards the direction of Lady Dorrian.

What is disconcerting is the amount of yoonies still visiting the site , you can all go back to barracks now lads sturgeon is back in command and as your senior officers will be well aware the onion has nothing to fear from her as she is one of the best assets the onion has ever owned

Still I suppose the squaddies have to be kept employed and one never knows when sense will prevail and sturgeon and her clown troupe will be outed as assets of the onion

Alf Baird,
It also means that the con was scots and Scotland were captured, but only if the con is to believed.

The titled English gentlemen were swindled, duped, conned, tricked, fooled and fraudulently scammed into buying a country and people that were not for sale in 1707, except by a group of Scottish gentlemen looking to make a quick buck.

It also means that the only persons involved on that contractual agreement going by the name of “The Treaty of the Union” was a private Limited Company.
If it was a Public Limited Company however I am sure all of us Scots would have been informed by now, and our public shares from the Company would be lining our pockets.
However they are legal distinct entities. With their own assets, profits, and liabilities. And tax liabilities
.
I will not go any further into how the treaty of the union is registered in the way of companies, but it is a thought that has crossed my mind recently that Westminster’s British government is in receipt of profits from the treaty of the union as an entity, and has been for 300 years.

Alf Baird says:

“The Neolithic peoples in Scotland predate ‘Celts’ by a considerable length as did the Pictish tribes who were around pre and during the Roman period mostly along the east coast.”

Dear Alf,

You are quite correct and I don’t disagree. However my point was not that the Celts are the only indigenous people of these isles, or that they were not preceded by other peoples and cultures, but that, by comparison, the Anglo-Saxons are invaders to these isles and, as the Celtic annals attest, their history here has been one of aggression towards the indigenous people which continues right up to the present day with the cultural and economic suppression of Scots and Scotland under the Treaty of Union.

The same poster made the post about Alistair Bonnington made the following post on a WGD article entitled ‘The entitlement of British nationalism’ which seemed to be all about Rangers fans.

“I feel bound to quote the author on this article:

“This is your reminder that the purpose of this blog is to promote Scottish independence. If the comment you want to make will not assist with that goal then don’t post it.“

Re discussion about ancestry and the make-up of peoples across the UK, it is work looking at this DNA study completed in 2105, the most extensive there has been I think.

A couple of headlines from it is that Orkney has the most distinct DNA compared to anywhere in the UK (Norse in make up obviously) but also that in terms of hierarchical grouping: ‘the north of England, Scotland, and Northern Ireland collectively separate from southern England. Then, at the next level, Cornwall forms a separate cluster quite distinct from Devon, followed by Scotland and Northern Ireland separating from northern England . . . While there is no clear ‘Celtic Fringe’, as is so often assumed, there is evidence of ancient British DNA in common with other British populations, especially in Scotland and Northern Ireland, but less in Cornwall, or Devon, in contrast to what might have been expected’.

The other thing that was shown to be true is the by and large, the Anglo-Saxons did not simply replace, drive out the people here before them, but interbred with them.

I find the survey fascinating and the researchers describe themselves as being ‘astonished to obtain 17 clusters of individuals based solely on similarities in their DNA that matched remarkably well their geographical locations’.

link to peopleofthebritishisles.web.ox.ac.uk

I do think this notion raised above that the Anglo-Saxons can still be thought of as invaders / colonisers compared the ‘Celts’ (not at all a uniform group anyway), pretty silly given the Anglo-Saxons began to arrive c.450AD and mixed and interbred with the natives of the time.

Don- Somerville is incredibly stupid. Education is the worst post she could have got. Sturgeon is promoting pals, its nepotism on steroids.

I give her a year.

the people of the isles genetic studies –

“The most striking observation is the extraordinary correspondence between the genetic clusters and geographical location.”

– scots aren’t anglo, even northumbria and cumbria aren’t very anglo; they should be part of our territory

northumbria held parts of lothian for about 5 minutes, then you get the anglo trash claiming scots are really english

– some of the english get all upset about the norman invasion, and its consequences; tolkien was one. Some of the (dumber) english claim to be vikings, probably for the shield maidens.

mchardy’s new history of the picts claims the picts are still here in us; the scots and pict leadership interbred, but the picts had no written culture, which is how they “disappeared”

Twathater 5.36

On behalf of the 77th command, I would like to point out the we do not have “squaddies” in our ranks.

The regiment is made up of good sorts from the upper middle classes. Privately schooled, oxbridge types with the minds and the wit to achieve goals without ever being seen to take credit.

Tbh, we are stood down for the time being (and have been for over a year now). Our deep cover operative (let’s call him Mr Fish) was activated to complete our plans. Mission accomplished for now. We are not expecting to rejoin the fray for another four years so plenty of time to catch-up on other important matters. This usually means baiting the French which is always good fun.

replace “would” with “wouldn’t”, doh!!!

Luigi. 5.23pm

Keezzzzz!!!!

@ Big Jock at 7.40

Many are chosen, few are Pict.

(from a t-shirt purchased 20 years ago for a relative, so I can’t claim the credit)

It’s funny how all these independent nations the English colonised around the world, including us, have then got to beg the self same Bastards for the permission to hold an Independence Referendum to become an independent nation.

Confused?

Nicola will explain all, one day.

America was the exception to the Referendum rule, they just kicked the bastards out.

Don. Go fuck your Mother you arsehole.

From Chris McEleny on twitter ,

“ Who would’ve guessed that the Daily Mail @Mike_Blackley was the most visited website by Scottish Government staff….Wings over Scotland also the most visited independence supporting site. “

link to twitter.com

Link to Scottish Government FOI ,

“ Breakdown of websites accessed by Scottish Government staff: FOI release “

link to gov.scot

Id just like to point out something when it comes to the argument – ‘there are no native peoples on these islands’ (or something similar).

If that’s the case then there are almost no native peoples pretty much anywhere, because so few would pass that test. I disagree with it but lets run with that:

Peoples, cultures and civilisations have their homelands. Over time the genetic mixture of those peoples change slowly and mix with other neighbouring peoples.

There are times when this happens over the course of just a few decades and pretty much every time this is not considered integration, or adaptation. It is called invasion.

Ultimately the forced introduction of alien cultures of peoples of a different ethnic heritage, financed by NGO’s and helped along by the political class while arguments against are frowned upon and now becoming outlawed cannot be seen as anything else.

There is nothing natural about the numbers being brought to Scotland (and anywhere else in Europe). There is nothing helpful about it to ordinary Scots. Ultimately it will, and is intended to, create a perpetually divided society that can never find political cohesion.

If you doubt that claim then I ask you – why is it always the same people who shout BLM (and the anti-European hatred that stems from that marxist terrorist organisation) that want Africans to come here in vast numbers? If native Europeans are so evil to black people and must be punished what is the game in trying to get as many of them here as possible?

Like the trans folk these people are being used. The groups advocating for them are tools of the financial elite who want the nation state to die.

Unfortunately too many Scots are too busy biting their nails and trying to appease political players who will accuse them of bigotry no matter what they do.

The solution is to recognise the forces behind this – the groups and characters around the IMF, WEF and other globalist institutions and get their tentacles out of our nations. African and Muslim nations in particular who have been most heavily abused by these financial gangsters.

A global movement for nationalism and the rights of the peoples of the world to run their countries for the benefit of their own people as a priority and not be just the indebted vassals of global international corporations and banks.

Confused @ 7:34 said:

‘– some of the english get all upset about the norman invasion, and its consequences; tolkien was one. Some of the (dumber) english claim to be vikings, probably for the shield maidens.’

The English have been upset by the Norman invasion from the moment it happened. There is documentary evidence from the time bemoaning that the true Englishman (read Anglo-Saxon) is gone, no more, replaced by the foreign invading Normans. The Normans of course are in fact of Viking descent though those who claim Viking ancestry won’t be referring to that.

Where I live (West Yorkshire) there was a surprising cluster of Romano-British DNA but then not so surprising because the area corresponds to the old Kingdom of Elmet, a last Celtic stronghold in England till c600AD, and a place of dense forests and lawlessness according to legend (see Ted Hughes Remains of Elmet). It was ruled by one King Gwalog who ended up in Wales. And now the DNA evidence proves this but also that the inhabitants did not flee but bred with the Anglo-Saxons.

I cannot claim this lineage personally though, as I am from the south so am very likely pure Anglo-Saxon, which I am perfectly happy with, though frankly I could not really give a toss what my genetic make-up is in terms of ancestry, though I find it interesting nevertheless. I don’t really hold with the idea that culture has much to do with DNA.