History has its eyes
Dr Malcolm Kerr joined the SNP in 1967, has contested local council and Scottish Parliament elections and is currently an activist in Cunninghame North constituency.
I’ve been a member of the SNP for long enough to recall the days when the party was capable of generating killer slogans. “It’s Scotland’s Oil”. “Independence – Nothing Less”. Those were the days!
Nothing describes the SNP’s descent towards being the new New Labour better than its choice of slogans in recent years. “Stronger for Scotland” serves only to flag up just how powerless the party’s large contingent at Westminster is. “Progress” is entirely meaningless.
And fellow activists and members may recall just how depressing it was to attend the most recent in-person spring Conference, when the leadership felt that the slogan “Hope” was going to be inspiring. When you’ve been in power for 14 years you’re supposed to DO things, not just hope for them.
We’re getting to the point where we should soon be Blairite enough to invade Iraq. Fortunately, we lack the means.
On this theme, I’ve been encountering unofficial slogans on social media which are intended to focus Yes supporters on independence and implore us to ignore any “background noise”, the most common being “eyes on the prize”.
I took to slapping down the latter phrase on Twitter with a sanctimonious response which pointed out that a “prize”, according to the dictionary, is “a thing given as a reward to the winner of a competition, or in recognition of an outstanding achievement”. But independence is a democratic right. And in any event, it won’t be given. We’ll need to take it.
(I’d almost convinced myself that “Eyes On The Prize” was the title of an 80s Saturday night TV show hosted by Larry Grayson, but that, of course, was The Generation Game.)
“Eyes on the Prize” has some superficial attractions though. A slogan with an internal rhyme is a thing hard to find. It’s catchy. It turns out that it has a much more auspicious pedigree, being the title of a 1950s Civil Rights song from the USA, and itself based on a re-wording of the African-American folk song “Gospel Plow”. So, there’s that.
But I’m still uncomfortable. If we are being asked to keep our eyes on independence, what is it we are being asked to ignore? The Scottish Government’s paltry legacy of legislation over 14 years? The GRA and Hate Crime bills getting slipped through with inadequate scrutiny? The continuing stark contrasts in postcode life expectancy across Glasgow and other cities?
Drug-related deaths? A snail’s progress on land reform? Sharp practice at the Crown Office? The fact we still apparently endorse the discredited (and, let’s face it, always bizarrely named) Growth Commission Report and are still floundering on the currency question? The crushing of internal democracy in the party?
The list is long. But the concentration of power within the SNP’s vanishingly small leadership circle, and its disregard for the SNP constitution, rules, and civilised mores gives huge cause for concern.
An SNP MP requires police protection following threats made by an SNP member, but this elicits no comment or support from the party hierarchy. National Conference, the SNP’s supreme decision-making body, is refashioned as an election campaign rally. The last National Secretary simply fails to acknowledge correspondence from anxious constituency officials concerned about their MSP’s behaviour – a rap sheet involving bullying and harassment, assaults, and misuse of Scottish Parliament resources.
The current National Secretary doesn’t answer correspondence either. Despite admitting a backlog of many months of complaints under the party’s codes of conduct’, no referral – not one – has been made to the Member Conduct Committee since they were elected by Conference in November. Apparently, the wrong people got elected.
A senior MP faces complaints from a staffer about sexual harassment, continuing over some years. A female MP makes inappropriate sexual advances to a party employee half her age while drunk in a London bar. An openly-racist dossier attacking a selection contest opponent emerges from an MSP’s parliamentary office. HQ does nothing.
Draconian punishment does still exist – ask Neale Hanvey – but appears quite arbitrary and unpredictable, seems to be a leadership prerogative and, conveniently, to bypass the SNP’s constitution and rules. Not surprisingly, elected members (with occasional honourable exceptions) fail to make eye contact and fail to speak out. About anything. The arbitrariness is important. How loyal to the leadership are you going to be if you know there are un-actioned misdemeanours lurking in your file?
And for six wasted years we’ve not been talking about independence. None of this feels like we are living in the early days of a better nation. It feels, at times, more like some grotesque synthesis amalgamating the last months of the John Major government with the Dothraki Wedding. How can we inspire communities ravaged by austerity, and then by COVID, without first putting this culture of fear and sleaze behind us?
We might acknowledge that married couples should not share power. For a party leader and party CEO to be husband and wife is an obvious flaw, indeed a ridiculous one. It could and should have been resolved long before it became a standing joke for our opponents.
But even taking that into account, there has been a drastic failure of leadership, which will only bring disappointment and recriminations. We have a current “strategy” providing record polling figures, based on the BBC Phenomenon – Boris, Brexit and COVID.
Polls have been stable for months but they have no basis in actual support for independence. We have not been making that case. We sign up ten thousand new members – seemingly motivated by the fact that our FM hasn’t been forced to resign yet – while long-term activists who are in the know are cutting up their membership cards in disgust.
For all the superficial buffoonery, and the self-harm of Brexit, the British state is robust. With the exception of a brief post-WW2 period, when off-loading former colonies was an attractive expedient, it has not proved easy for anyone to shake off British control or influence. Britain has in recent times been prepared to gun down unarmed civilians in the streets, intern opponents without trial, and experiment with novel forms of torture on its own citizens.
It has permitted, perhaps encouraged, agents of the state to enter coital relationships with the activists they’re monitoring, as an enhanced variety of surveillance. All this where there has been no existential threat. At the moment all we have to endure is tomfoolery with Union Jacks, but it won’t stop there.
We can assume that the Brits are familiar with what has become known as the Law of Requisite Variety (“In order to deal effectively with the diversity of problems the world throws at you, you need to have a repertoire of responses that are at least as nuanced as the problems your face”) and will be gaming many potential scenarios.
There’s no evidence that the Scottish National Party recognises this principle. Postal voting, spewing out “on-message” Facebook posts, and “fighting COVID” just won’t cut it. It is complacency writ large. Relying on salaried professional politicians and their state-paid staff to win independence simply won’t work. It’s less “eyes on the prize”, more “eyes on the pension”.
Independence is a process, not an event. We have to start behaving as if we are intending to become independent. Independence needs to attract the acceptance, or at least the acquiescence, of our current opponents. It needs a sound base of ethics and integrity.
We have to go back nearly 100 years, to the 1922 General Election, to find a time that was as momentous, and replete with possibilities for the Scottish people, as 2021. In 1922 the Independent Labour Party (ILP) swept Glasgow with a landslide victory, taking 10 out of 11 constituencies from the Liberals. Led by John Wheatley, the group headed for Westminster with Home Rule high on their agenda.
But not before offering a contract to their celebrating constituents. At a victory rally in St Andrews Halls, 8000 gathered to hear them make a pledge to the people of Scotland with a historic and stirring declaration. It concluded:
“In all things we will abjure vanity and self-aggrandisement, recognising that we are the humble servants of the people and that our only righteous purpose is to promote the welfare of our fellow citizens and the well-being of all mankind.”
What, then, are SNP MPs doing in London bars, getting publicly drunk, and sexually harassing their staffers? As servants of the people, how humble are our “futile 46”?
We either need a new leadership ethic, or a new leadership. One which respects diversity, understands the need for cooperation and delegation, one which is prepared to harness and enable volunteers (maybe our greatest asset). Leadership with strength in depth, which doesn’t see a threat in competition from potential future leaders, genuine or imagined.
Leaders who understand that one political party can’t get us to our destination without collaboration across the wider national community. Leadership which is prepared to make the case for independence, now, this year, next year, for as long as it takes.
“Eyes on the prize”? Maybe. But we also require a bird’s-eye view, an eagle eye, and eyes in the back of our heads. Turning a blind eye to the sickness in the SNP is a poor idea for a nation seeking to re-launch itself in the world and it will, in any event, make independence so much harder to obtain.
A grand post Malcolm.
Spot on. Very well and clearly expressed.
Is anybody in the controlling part of the SNP listening? Will you act before it is too late?
Thank you Dr Kerr.That is all.
Excellent post.
I cannot disagree with any of that post.
The murrells have got to go. They have put their personal gain before independence.
I used to fret about my powerlessness in the SNP. I don’t anymore – I joined ALBA.
P.S. Can anyone enlighten me with regards to : ” An openly-racist dossier attacking a selection contest opponent emerges from an MSP’s parliamentary office. HQ does nothing.” ?
Thanks in advance.
Would like to see SNP try to rebut these arguments as opposed to mindlessly rubbishing them Wishart style.
All SNP MPs and MSPs should be required to give 10% of their basic salary to an independence fighting fund. Not only would this bring in £750k per year, it would also focus their minds on independence again.
An excellent article Dr Kerr. I agree that Independence is a process and it does need to attract a much wider section of the Scottish people. The current regime will never achieve that.
Very well written.
I see Alex has put the cat amongst the pigeons again – Scotland will have its own currency… ASAP.
Superb. That is not going to go down well in sunny old ‘blue sky’ England is it.
First they lose all the wealth that Scotland generates, then the sea and land mass, then the energy potential and water reserves.
I read somewhere that Scotland produces in the region of about £200 billion per year to the Westminster accounts….
The GBP is going to take a massive hit.
If Scotland starts to use its own currency it will have no place to hide.
Brilliant tactics from Alex, even if Boris doesn’t want to negociate… the powers behind him are going to force his hand.
And also in one fell swoop, the old trope, ‘Scotland will not get to use the Pound’ is out the window.
So good to have someone serious and able leading the Indy campaign again.
The ineptitude (I’m being nice) of the SNP is becoming all the clearer in its presence.
Great post. Pragmatic, honest, straightforward and forward looking. As a unionist I hope that there aren’t many more like you! On second thoughts, maybe there should be and then maybe my views would change.
Hi Malcolm
Great article. Do you recommend voting SNP in the constituency ballot?
Presumably the author is now in a re-education camp?
If you’ve got Amazon Prime and a spare 45 minutes, look up a documentary on Scientology. The parallels are glaringly obvious – a slavish cabal devoted to an all-knowing leader where no dissent is tolerated and any competing groups are demonised. Scary stuff.
Well said. Thank you.
I know so many people who, like yourself, joined the SNP decades ago and are now sickened by the leadership. Some have actually left.
The leadership might be able to ride out an election where no-one’s leaving the house, but when they need volunteers to pound the streets for the council elections, it’ll be a different story.
The problem is, the indy movement needs an SNP that is fit for purpose. And all roads to democratic change within the party seem to have been removed.
I hope that activists are able to take their party back. Otherwise, it’ll be a long haul creating a new one pro-indy infrastructure.
When George Robertson said devolution would kill independence, I never thought the agents would be the SNP leadership!
Truly excellent post Malcolm , for which , many thanks
“In all things we will abjure vanity and self-aggrandisement, recognising that we are the humble servants of the people and that our only righteous purpose is to promote the welfare of our fellow citizens and the well-being of all mankind.”
The complete antithesis of what we’ve ended-up with eg… vain , self-aggrandising clowns who’ve come to believe they are doing US a favour by their mere existence .
Note sure what Malcolm is suggesting for this election with the vote just days away. Looks like a rehash of everything we know with no practical application for Alba in the short term. Meanwhile . . .
We need to read this electoral commission guide – page 6 in particular link to electoralcommission.org.uk
Having attended dozens of election counts over a 40 year political career in elections using FPTP, single transferrable votes, list etc etc for both elections I was running in and where I was election agent —–
I can tell you for a fact that
‘1’ on the constituency ballot just might be accepted instead of an ‘X’
but ‘2’ on the list ballot instead of ‘X’ is pretty sure to be a rejected vote
GET THE RIGHT MESSAGE OUT TO GET ALBA OVER THE LINE
Alba needs the SNP to win constituency seats to have any hope of picking up list seats.
Can Stu please wake up and small the coffee?
Are you still voting for the SNP Malcolm?
If Yes, then you get what you deserve and you help destroy women’s rights too.
Actions speak louder than words. Only annihilation at the ballot box will help fix the Sturgeon & Woke culture problem.
Will you wheesht for Indy instead?
Must agree with all this but people in the SNP who are witnessing this need to speak up before its too pate.
ps is there any way we could keep the Legion of Spam from polluting this thread with their idiocies ?
This is an excellent piece (for the most part) and useful for anyone trying to explain the need to think about list votes:
link to auldacquaintance.wordpress.com
Hate to say it Rev, but this is *BY A COUNTRY MILE* the most eloquent, hard-hitting and deserving of rapturous applause thats been on your blog for some time.
No disrespect – you set a high bar – but this nails so much in so many ways – its inspiring.
One of the less know traits of the FM is her inability to delegate (although it should be clear given she sidelined her health minister to deliver daily CV19 briefings) and this line is just so true – “One which respects diversity, understands the need for cooperation and delegation”
Word inside is her inability to delegate is legendary. A big problem.
Caledonia @11:13
“..people in the SNP…need to speak up before its too pate.”
Blackford already looks like he’s had a lot of foie gras in London.
Cadogan Enright 11.10
“Alba needs the SNP to win constituency seats to have any hope of picking up list seats.”
That has been proven by others to be a totally false statement.
And is only pushed by Sturgeon/SNP backers.
And you are really pushing your luck on here with your never ending critisism of the Rev.
It’s verging on a hatred of the Rev.
Because the Rev is no fan of Sturgeon or the SNP or Voting for the SNP, that you are on a personal crusade to openly attack him.
A very clear appraisal of the current state of this version of the the SNP management .
This should be required reading for those with any kind of position or authority in the SNP covering your eyes and putting your fingers in your ears while shouting La La La won’t fix this mess , a mess that’s obvious to a whole lot of people but this management seems oblivious to what’s happening right in front of them ,
a lost cause for people who still have a backbone or a spine ,
Who knows ? .
Loud applause from here. The SNP is no longer the party that I joined and supported for decades. I have been forced to question its fitness for purpose under the current leadership. Change must come or the opportunity of independence will disappear.
Excellent post -no doubt snp msp’s etc will read then ignore like everything else they should be listening too – they are now in the last chance coral.
Well said Dr. Kerr
I know where you are coming from
I sat at a SNP hustings in 2015 and knew at that point all wasn’t well within the SNP
How can I vote for the SNP candidate?
I won’t compromise MY integrity
If a total stranger arrived on Wings and typed those very same words as Dr Kerr, they would have been labelled a 77th Troll and would have been hung, drawn and quartered by the usual suspects.
Wings keeps alive the fight against Sturgeon/SNP wrong doings in the public domain.
I would never give the Sturgeon/SNP my vote on 6th May.
All the above cannot be ascribed to random happenchance.
I think the SNP has been infiltrated by clandestine “foreign” agents or subsumed to being a permanent devolved colony by way of blackmail, money or personal advancement.
Half of the population in Scotland are basically thick and have no ability to think for themselves is the only reason I can come up with for the continuing ‘popularity’ of the SNP.
With falling educational standards, the ‘young’ are bolstering the SNP support as they are unable or do not want to see any alternatives.
It is undoubtedly going to be a long hard road for ALBA especially if it is seen that the message is getting through. Not only will they face the fury from the existing SNP. as is happening now, but when the Tory media get worried prepare for an onslaught.
ALBA needs support, but not from the existing ‘gravy train’ SNP politicians, where any ‘deflections’ need to be seriously looked at, but Scots from grassroot levels upwards. Easy to say but difficult to achieve.
Tactical voting on 1 for me and ALBA 2.
Sturgeon is toxic.
She just repeated her refusal to work with AS if he gets elected, who the hell does she think she is?
If the people vote for AS, that’s democracy.
Something she appears unwilling to support.
But hey ho, selfies with Alistair Campbell, he of the sexed up document on WMDs which led, albeit indirectly, to the death of David Kelly.
With Hilary Clinton, war hawk with dubious campaign managers, who’s hubby AFAIK, is to be found in Ghislane’ black book.
Who appeared to be bffs with Epstein and Andrew Windsor.
She also repeated the need for AS to apologise to the alphabets, what a goddam hypocrite. She’s handing the MSM ammo to fire at him.
She also appears to believe in vengence, not forgivness and redemption.
She is an angry vindictive woman who has no place in the future design of our country.
The SNP are going to win or lose on the basis of their own actions – on that I have no doubt.
I do not believe the polls that say they will cruise an easy victory on the Constituency vote.
They have pissed off too many of their core supporters, and their ‘loaned vote’ supporters. The mistakes of 2016 are being played again, in magnified version.
And they are doing it deliberately.
If the Britnats cannot stop Alba, then they must get Nicla and co to spike their own vote. At all costs the Supermajority must not happen.
This is not an election to convert former No voters over to Yes.
This is about establishing Alba and getting them into Holyrood.
1 Million wasted SNP List votes – or 32 Alba MSP’s including Alex.
For every single person here who say’s, the SNP have crossed too many lines, their policies threaten womans’ rights, childrens’ safety, free speech.
You are bang on the money – and their leadership is doing it deliberately.
My compromise is this, if for moral reasons you cannot vote SNP – I understand, but please consider your local SNP candidate carefully, and if they are not Woke, consider holding your nose and getting them in.
If you still cannot do that, can you please, acknowledge the power in the Max the Yes tactics, when speaking to others.
I spoke to an anti Alex Indy person yesterday. Like me (I cannot promote the SNP anymore), they cannot promote Alba… but they are seriously considering giving Alba their List vote.
And I am going to hold my nose and vote SNP in my consituency, and Alba on the List.
And I will shed not a single tear if Swinney gets thrown out on his corrupt arse. Not one. But I do it, to max the Alba.
When people first started expressing doubts about the current SNP direction… the stick they were beaten with was, ‘divided we fall’.
Max the Yes allows for Indy supporters to agree to disagree and get on with Indy. At no cost to the SNP.
1 Million wasted Indy votes, or 32 Alba MSP’s.
And for those who say Alex is that or that re women… Alex has already done more to stand up for womens rights and his female candidates in 3 weeks, than Nicla has in 6 years.
Another thing the Nicla Loyal were keen to promote, when it became clear there were dirty, corrupt practices at play, was the concept that you need a ‘street fighter’ leading the cause, one who is willing to get their hands dirty.
Well if you truely believe Alex is a ‘rogue’ against women, given the scrutiny he’s under and what he’s been through, I’d suggest its now time for the cliche – ‘poacher turned gamekeeper’ to be utilised.
We have a country to save, and its now or never. Max the Yes.
‘Eyes on the prize’. That sums up the Twitteratti of the SNP.
They endlessly tweet these slogans , when challenged. There is a whole army of Sturgeon nodding dog clones on Twitter. They can’t answer a single question without reverting to central HQ approved slogans.
A vacuous army of non entities, who can’t think for themselves, because they are too stupid. Sturgeon loves these types. Because a weak leader needs stasi style followers to protect their ego.
Its an absolute pile of steaming horse shot.
Great post Malcolm I wish there more like you in the party,
I no longer see the SNP as a party of independence the best that could be said for them is they’re perhaps not against it, for me Alba is the future
I know there are some good people like yourself still there but I fear you’re fighting a losing battle Sturgeon has destroyed the SNP along with the hopes and dreams of so many who may now never see they’re country free.
She has stole the party and used it for her and her husbands own personal advancement, and although it may be cold comfort now history will not look kindly on Nicola Sturgeon the most criminally corrupt inept political leader this country has ever known and god knows she’s up against some pretty stiff opposition
BuggerlePanda @11:36 am
It’s a book that’s been cited by Wingers quite often before. The classic study of the tendency to oligarchy in democracy is Political Parties by the sociologist Robert Michels. It does explain a good deal, though perhaps not all, of what we’ve seen happening in the SNP.
We have a good slogan in the engineering world, often repeated. “Hope is not a strategy”.
If you want to be treated like an independent nation then you need to act like one.
Everything that is wrong in a nutshell!
stonefree says:
18 April, 2021 at 11:31 am
Well said Dr. Kerr
I know where you are coming from
I sat at a SNP hustings in 2015 and knew at that point all wasn’t well within the SNP
How can I vote for the SNP candidate?
I won’t compromise MY integrity
Fair enough Stonefree. I completely get where you are coming from.
I suggest promoting Alba on the list.
Last time out, on the list, the SNP took around 120,000 in each region.
Next highest was around 73,000 and next again 50,000, 4th place was 20,000 and last was around 17,000.
If Alba captures most of that 120,000 vote, it becomes far less important how many seats the SNP win on the consituency.
And as others have advised – don’t use numbers on the ballot paper.
The both votes SNP rallying cry in my area is, if SNP don’t secure all the votes, Westminster will tell us to stuff it.
That is not what the election results showed in 2016, and it is not the reason why the britnats are going full biased tonto with regards Alba now.
Can’t vote SNP anymore, then its…
Alba for Indy on the list.
When an activist of that standing has to write an article in such plain language you are left with no doubt regarding the leadership of the SNP. A person of that experience would have exhausted every avenue before resorting to a post like this.
Internal democracy has ended within the SNP. Cult Rule replaced it.
Nicola Sturgeon on Ridge this morning vowing not to work with Alex Salmond even if the Alba Party gain a number of msps. This of course is putting bitter personal feelings ahead of your Country’s future.
Why is she so extremely bitter when Alex Salmond has been found innocent by a majority female jury? How can she put her own feelings in front of independence, when she says she has been fighting for independence all of her life?
She also said on Ridge that she only requires a simple majority for independence, not Alex Salmond’s super majority. Who in their right mind would turn down a large majority and prefer a small majority for the thing she has been supposedly fighting for their entire adult life?
Now she’s saying, also on Ridge, that it’s not just about independence, it’s about the right kind of independence.?????
She said that she doesn’t know what the Alba Party stands for, that they might frighten people away from independence with their more assertive style.
If Ireland had the meek and craven Nicola Sturgeon as the leader of the Sinn Fein in the early part of the 20th century, then they would still be a part of the UK.
Just what sort of leverage have the UK got on her, because it’s obvious they are not in the slightest bit frightened by her, the way they would be, and were, with Alex Salmond in charge. This is shown clearly by the contempt shown to her MP’s at Westminster, something that she never comments on.
Talking of her MP’s at Westminster, Wete Pishart (couldn’t resist), has been tweeting about what a “fantastic” interview Nicola gave on Ridge. Praise indeed. However, l’d just like to warn Pete, that unless he very quickly buys a frock, high heels and a wig, then being a white, middle aged, heterosexual male, no matter how much he crawls, conforms and rolls over for his leader, his jacket is still on the shoogliest of pegs.
SNP are awash with issues we can’t stand but not voting
for them is a vote for Unionism.
The Irish had to see so many die for their freedom from Westminster.
Scots are going to just suck up the crap SNP are spouting until we are independent.
Then we can kick them into touch and put in our people and our policies that are supported by our people.
I’d cut my arms off before voting for any English party
and I will always use my right to vote.
Coruscating stuff from Malcolm Kerr: can’t disagree with any of it. There must be so many people in the SNP who agree with him, but what have they actually done to try and change the party’s direction?
History will not be kind to the present cadre of SNP MPs, MSPs and office holders in particular who have – with a few notable and honourable exceptions – lacked the courage to stop the party being eaten from within. I’m not excusing the rank and file sheeple in the SNP membership who appear to be little better, but the buck stops with the elected representatives and officials.
These people could and should have acted to stop this rot. Their abject failure shows us that not only is the SNP as currently constituted unfit to govern, it is very unlikely that it can be rendered fit to govern. Only in the event of whole-scale changes in leadership, organisation and procedures could they be trusted.
So, it’s over to you SNP members: put up, or shut up!
Any polls due out that may gives us a higher degree of optimism.
@Effigy 12
well said – too many people on here effectively campaigning to stop Alba gaining seats
What an outstanding article.
My favourite SNP slogan from the old days was “Put Scotland First”. That’s what the party is signally failing to do now.
The other thing that struck me was the change in the use of the word “diversity”. The SNP used to pride itself on being a “broad church”, with a wide range of views from moderate right to radical left. There was plenty of debate and that attracted members from different backgrounds and experiences who fell out regularly, but reunited in their desire for independence.
Nowadays, “diversity” is being manipulated by allowing people to self-identify as women, BAME or disabled, skewing the important membership posts towards those who are self-serving, lacking in real life work experience and in thrall to a leadership which itself indulges in narrow cliquery and blatant favouritism and silences or sidelines views it’s not comfortable with.
It’s hard to see how any of this can change under the current leadership. So sad for the decent honourable members left in the party.
Democratic-Centralism once offered more scope for membership participation than that currently on offer within this rogue SNP.
One of Nicola’s fan sites reckons the referendum will be before 2024:
link to believeinscotland.org
The next UK general election will be held on Thursday, May 2nd 2024. So that rules out 2024 and it must be before then… So, the latest possible date for a referendum is September or October 2023… If for some reason the UK Government manages to win in the courts and stop us from having a referendum, then the SNP will run on a UDI ticket in the 2024 GE.
Some big claims in there, especially the last one. Can you see that happening cos I can’t.
How very foolish the leader of the SNP looks in her intransigent stance against Alex Salmond. petty and bitter doesn’t even cover it.
Perhaps someone should suggest she names names so that Mr Salmond and all the rest of us KNOW why and to whom he should apologise.
As it stands her entrenchment continues in every possible interview and I can assure her it is not a good look.
It is not acceptable and neither is it logical. Surely there are those in the SNP who can see the idiocy? And if there are where are their voices?
Thank you Dr Kerr very well put on the aliments that now afflict the SNP/Scottish government.
There’s no real evidence to suggest that the SNP are going to deliver independence, for Scotland, nor that they intend to make Scotland a better nation, nor follow through on the policies that you mentioned that they’ve failed on miserably.
Is the SNP, in its current state, not fit for purpose.
Not fit for purpose.
I’m presuming that Dr Kerr will be labelled an agent of the British state or a member of 77th brigade for what he’s said by the sturgeonite trolls who have taken it upon themselves to promote the criminal Nicola Sturgeon.
I’ve also note some loon above who claims the SNP have been infiltrated by foreign agents… I mean ffs lol! The SNP is corrupt because absolute power corrupts absolutely and when you make it clear to politicians that you will vote for them no matter what they do the end result is what we have today with the New SNP. The people to blame for this situation are not only Sturgeon but the goons who think voting SNP one more time is worth it. It isn’t.
The only way this will be sorted is if the sturgeon cabal is removed from power. That means sturgeon swinney yousaf robertson and any other SNP MSP complicit in what has happened (most of them, maybe all) all losing their seats, Murrell McCann and Lloyd all out of a job and then the whole lot of them facing criminal charges.
The SNP is dead, it is now the New SNP, it needs to lose the election and we then we need to start again from the ground up, if the party cannot be saved it must be exterminated and Alba needs to take its place.
Any person wheeshting for indy or voting SNP (but holding their nose or whatever) is an enemy of a free and democratic scotland, plenty posters above praising Dr Kerr fall into that category as they have been attacking people like me for saying the same as Dr Kerr and telling the uncomfortable but unavoidable truth. Without truth we have nothing.
thanks for this essay Dr Kerr. Very well said.
Independence is a process, not an event. We have to start behaving as if we are intending to become independent.
Exactly. I’d like to add failure to produce a Maritime Transport Policy and failure to form a constitution to the list of vital activities which are being ignored.
Excellent post.
SNP ‘hierarchy’ seems to be following same steps of other political parties by riding roughshod over all except their own clique.
Maybe new members are intent, having seen the debacle over the last 5 years to try to help change things from grassroots level.
Back to the rest of the post!
Well said Malcolm. I will be sending this to relatives of mine who have their ears closed to me but might listen to you.
If it is not successful for SNP for constituency ,Alba for the list then we get nowhere .
Anyone saying other that voting SNP for constituency and voting Alba for the list is failing in arithmetic and political understanding.
Hate the SNP leadership and the clown Pete Wishart all you like but as Alex Salmond knows and has said to do otherwise puts independence back in the box certainly for my lifetime.
Eugene Henderson is guilty of crooked thinking. It is not proof to pretend others have proved something. Failed his qually in arithmetic!
Effigy says:
18 April, 2021 at 12:00 pm
“SNP are awash with issues we can’t stand but not voting
for them is a vote for Unionism.”
surely, if they have no intention of leading us to independence, then a vote for them is a vote for unionism?
Dorothy Devine says:
18 April, 2021 at 12:08 pm
It is not acceptable and neither is it logical. Surely there are those in the SNP who can see the idiocy? And if there are where are their voices?
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From the article:
“Draconian punishment does still exist – ask Neale Hanvey – but appears quite arbitrary and unpredictable, seems to be a leadership prerogative and, conveniently, to bypass the SNP’s constitution and rules. Not surprisingly, elected members (with occasional honourable exceptions) fail to make eye contact and fail to speak out. About anything. The arbitrariness is important. How loyal to the leadership are you going to be if you know there are un-actioned misdemeanours lurking in your file?”
If you can be fired for sending a text I would guess every SNP politician would have some “un-actioned misdemeanours lurking in your file”
When you ready some of the comments on Wings these days, it’s as if they are suffering from schizophrenia.
Because they give us a big speal about how corrupt Sturgeon/SNP are, and finish off with the biggest piece of hypocrisy you are ever likely to read in your life, by telling us to “go out on May 6th and vote SNP 1.
I just don’t get that.
Where did their principles go to?
One of the more useful things about the penning of such articles, openly declaring such fanaticism, is that it reminds those of us opposed to separation from the UK that there is literally no point in holding independence referendums, not least because the separatist fanatics will simply ignore any result other than a vote to leave the UK and will carry on demanding another shottie.
As a critique of the SNP, this article has much to commend it, but such criticism could and should be directed at the entire nationalist movement, not one of whom has been able to offer any realistic ideas on how an independent Scotland, outside of the UK, would function, inside or outside of the EU. No one can even provide a clue on what our negotiating position would be on the most fundamental of issues, such as currency, lender of last resort, borders, trade, immigration, debt repayment, deficit control……other than Andrew Wilson, who when faced with a multitude of questions on his quickly buried Growth Commission Report, responded consistently with the phrase “we’ll see”.
In asking repeatedly for such information, I am frequently attacked on the usual grounds, Toary, English. English Toary and that kind of thing, an experience I find rather amusing, but I never seem to receive any answers, other than “the Scottish people will decide”, an assertion which is, of course, completely untrue.
Perhaps Doctor Kerr can provide me with some of the answers I am looking for?
Well said Malcolm. ?
“Surely if they have no intention of leading us to independence”
That is why you need Alba for the list and hope they hold the balance of power.
If Unionists are given a free ride we are sunk!
It’s incredibly sad to see so many long-timers quit the SNP. It reminds me what happened to Labour 10-20 years ago. As the late great Jimmy Reid once said about never leaving – the party left him, something very similar now seems to be afflicting our main party for independence. The current SNP leadership have a few big questions as to why this happened, this was allowed to happen, on their watch. Well now that there is a new kid on the block they better try and sort things. An Alba Party bridgehead at Holyrood could easily be the springboard for a full frontal challenge to SNP indy hegemony at subsequent elections if genuine independenistas fail to see significant progress in the next 2 years.
@ Daisy Walker at 11:55 am
Alba is not a problem,
It was the manipulation of a sleazy MSP that is completely unacceptable.
I wrote about this in 2015 or 16,
I got pelters on here !!
Only in the last month have folk said ” I didn’t believe you but you were bang on” that is it paraphrased
It’s worth considering that has been 5+ years wasted, except for Sturgeon/Murrell filling the buckets with cash and fleecing the Supporters , and really treating them like shit
Personally I want to see Sturgeon/Murrell and company in court,
Don’t care which one Civil or Criminal,any one to start with
Alba should declare that any meetings that need to be held with Nicla, will be represented by Tasmina and/or Eva.
If Nicla wants to still behave like a spoiled child in those instances, a law suit for race discrimination and disability discrimination will soon follow.
If the leaders of political parties and governments suddenly get to decide who, and who they will not, deal with in a professional capacity, when those other party leaders represent the wishes of the electorate and a country – then they hand a dangerous precident to our westminster opposition.
‘Oh no’, will say Boris, Theressa, Cameron and co, ‘One simply cannot, not with those disgusting ‘separatists’ – they stand against everything the Union represent you know, simply not decent’.
Behaving like a spoiled, petulant, child, not a leader.
Well, if this is what only a modicum of independence has resulted in; imagine what the full monty would bring.
Fact is, even if an independent Scotland would want to qualify for EU membership, it will need a proper constitution and a fully functioning economy that could support a balanced public sector.
This will take years and years, and to quote the yokel: “I wouldn’t start from here”
Face it, guys, youse are even behind England in achieving full independence. At least they only have 40 years of creeping corruption to get rid of. Scots have much more to clear out, to the point where one could ask if there would be anything left if and when the stables are cleaned.
Best to vote Lab/Tory, and start the process, with continuing help from the neighbours. I reckon Wales, NI and England would be very happy to continue subsidising Scotland in getting fit enough to pull its own weight, even if the motivation is to gain independence. I mean, who wants a needy greedy nasty Scotland as a neighbour in its current state? Not even the EU, apparently.
Vote Lab or Tory and push Holyrood for an emergency coalition to tackle the real problems which are actually standing in the way of independence.
@Patrick Jones
These people have been psychologically conditioned by the corrupt leadership of the New SNP, the New SNP even went as far as using someone as creepy as the evangelist Stephen Noon to develop recruiting techniques. Scientology has nothing on that gang of criminals and many of their victims may never be able to think properly for themselves ever again. As I’ve said before sturgeon and Murrell could rape and murder a child live on TV and these goons would still vote for her.
As mentioned by a previous poster, the SNP could struggle to get enough activists on the street during a normal election. In the long term this could be fatal. Imagine a few years down the line with a woke SNP devoid of activists fighting against an Alba Party crammed full of activists. I know who I would put my money on. 🙂
@ Patrick Jones at 12:23 pm
“Where did their principles go to?”
Personally I still have mine
Effigy @ 12.00
‘SNP are awash with issues we can’t stand but not voting
for them is a vote for Unionism.’
– Likewise, every vote I have given the SNP since 2015 has been a vote for Unionism.
@Shocked
Spot on. Voting SNP 1 is voting for a criminal cabal. Wake up you cultists and smell the coffee.
“The Brits”?
@Famous 15
Park your pro sturgeon trolling. The fact you even try to do this under this article is simple embarrassing.
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Thank you Dr Kerr,
This is more like it. Another well written article that should provide a decent level of BTL interaction.
BUT…
Malcolm, I bet you £1,000 that your words, prefaced by the fact you joined the SNP in 1967 and have freely given thousands of hours to the battle for Scottish self-determination will soon be highjacked BTL by the extra-ordinary efforts to derail cogent debate. By whom? By British State actors who are joining sites such as Wings Over Scotland akin to a game of 77th Brigade whack-a-mole.
God help the sanity of Stuart Campbell trying to disinfect the site of these pisharts. Along with the disturbing assaults on his reputation as eloquenty discribed in his article about “Being Wings”.
My point?
On 19th September 2014, the British Establishment evacuated its bowels at how very close it came to losing the MOST PRIZED asset it has: Scotland.
For 300 years, our nation has been exanguinated with her resources leeched by Westminster’s parasitic claws. We are to them a twitching comatose near-cadaver from which they bleed and feed.
Shortly after the 19th September 2014, number 10 Downing Street authorised a “Never Again” strategy. The objective? To destroy any chance of IndyRef2.
The brightest minds at GCHQ, and there are some of the highest IQs in the world deployed at that Establishment, were tasked to create a Triumvirate of Indy Extinction.
1/. A sophisticated way to destroy IndyRef2.
2/. Create an internecine war within the SNP that would take at least 20 years to heal.
3/. The Establishment’s eye-on-their-prize in Gloucester, to have Alex Salmond removed from politics forever.
Be in no doubt, Dr Malcolm Kerr is spot-on and Stuart Campbell’s publication of this article at this time is seminal and apposite.
They almost managed it. They almost jailed Alex Salmond. They have visited an Orwellian nightmare upon the SNP organisation and Scotland. They almost killed IndyRef2.
I personally give GCHQ a 98% pass mark on how their years of toil at the Indy Extinction effort has worked. Amost.
But…
You cannot get a little bit pregnant.
There is a wee 2% failure, that is analogous to a leak in a massive dam. The water trickles out slowly to start with. But then becomes an awesome sight as the dam breaches. All before us, the tsunami of water progresses. All of us are powerless to stop it.
That is the embryonic Alba Party my friends.
Very wee to start but already sending shockwaves through the multi-million pound Indy Extinction plan authored all those years ago in 2014 at 10 Downing Street.
The British Establishment has without doubt, played a blinder. We all knew Scottish self-determination would be a LOT harder than any of us might imagine.
What next?
In order to gauge whether the wheels have come off of the British Establishment’s Indy Extinction plan of 2014, we simply look for Cotporal Jones. That is a metaphor for panic in the Establishment ranks.
If you see panicky semi-literate efforts to derail IndyRef2 and kill off self-determination in Scotland you will know that we are back in the IndyRef2 game.
Can you see Corporal Jones types yet? Is there anyone we know who already floods the YES movement with panicky voices that will try any argument, drag out any old McTrope, put up any straw man, woman or inbetweener to waste our valuable time in feckless argument?
Their objective is to derail the true IndyRef2 movement, to waste IndyRef2 campaigners resources; to demotivate; to sow seeds of division.
With this very thread, history will see how the British Establishment and their Troll Brigade from 77th Psyops works. As an example, Andy Wanger over-played his hand here and is being withdrawn. We will have Juan, Juan The Brit Bogey Man next, then 1001 other incarnations here and flooded across Scotland to varying degrees throughout YES blogs and IndyRef2 efforts.
But…
As in 2014, when IndyRef1 was lost and our country slowly became aware we had been stitched up like an Arbroath Smokie with shiny Vows and worthless promises our thrawn nature gave its answer…
The SNP membership skyrocketed.
It took Nicola 7 years to deflate that.
But now we are seeing the Alba Party grow at an exponential rate.
Yesterday, a friend who is a true and lifelong supporter of the SNP and local branch office bearer changed her social media profile and uploaded the Alba Party logo saying to hundreds of ordinary members…
SNP1
ALBA2
You know it makes sense.
At that instant, I now know that self determination for Scotland is back on the Agenda.
The British Establishment will throw every dirty trick in the book at Scotland. Please respond simply and in a way that saves you wasting valuable ALBA Party hours in online distraction from the 77th Brigade Trolls.
Just write three words to show you know you are dealing with the 77th…
“I see you.”
That will save your time and bin the millions of pounds this IndyRef2 Extinction effort has cost Westminster.
It was said that Scotland had one of the most sophisticated electorates in the world. It still does. When the average, relatively non-political Mr and Mrs McWhirter become aware of what the dodgy politicians in London and the self-interested tractors such as Pension Pete and Fat Banker Blackford plus sexy Daddy McWoke McWank Smith have been up to, they will be raging.
Scots will then vote in ways that inexorably lead to to self-determination.
Thankyou Malcolm. Now shall we watch and see if the 77th Troll Brigade comes on shift…
Luigi @12:30
The council elections a year from now should be an interesting scenario. Alba by then should be stronger and able to take many seats away from the SNP, thus undermining the Sturgeon cabal.
All independence supporters can do at the moment is to deny the SNP their list vote.
SNP 1 Alba X
is the only choice.
Confused?
SNP 1 Alba 2
Is there anyone posting here who needs to be informed that you put an X on the ballot paper?
Great article Malcolm and great musical choice now when are you coming to join Alba?! You know the SNP are beyond reform!
Daisy Walker @ 12:28
I disagree. Alex is the leader of the Party. Let her refuse to speak to him. Let people see what she has become at every opportunity.
She is assuming at the moment that she will either have a majority SNP Government or one with Green support.
Election Results can focus the mind rather quickly.
@Dorothy 12.08
you seem to have little knowledge of how elections work in multi-party parliaments.
Party leaders always say they dont need the support of other parties to win the election.
After the election they say ‘The people have spoken’ and do a coalition.
Ireland, Germany, Holland – check any Country and its the same – because GB based people are used to the FPTP system they don’t understand these nuances
@Al Stuart
I think you’ve finally cracked under the pressure. I recommend if you’ve got any friends and family you need to spend some time with them and take a break from the internet. Your incoherent rambling attack on Dr Kerr is beyond embarrassing.
Thanks very much for that comprehensive and percipient article Dr Kerr. Now all we have to do is to give certain folk some reading and comprehension exercises:-)
Seriously great essay.
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stonefree says:
18 April, 2021 at 12:27 pm
@ Daisy Walker at 11:55 am
Alba is not a problem,
It was the manipulation of a sleazy MSP that is completely unacceptable.
I wrote about this in 2015 or 16,
I got pelters on here !!
Only in the last month have folk said ” I didn’t believe you but you were bang on” that is it paraphrased
It’s worth considering that has been 5+ years wasted, except for Sturgeon/Murrell filling the buckets with cash and fleecing the Supporters , and really treating them like shit
Personally I want to see Sturgeon/Murrell and company in court,
Don’t care which one Civil or Criminal,any one to start with’
Stonefree – I agree with every single thing you say here. (I also got pelters, so I understand where you’re coming from).
However, we are now 18 days away from polling.
Folk need to concentrate. And they need to focus on what they want to achieve.
Many, many people in the same boat as yourself. I fear they could end up chewing it over and over until they don’t know what to do.
If you cannot vote SNP on the Constituency Vote.
Let us ensure that the List Abla vote is the most it can possibly be.
It takes nothing away from SNP support. They stand or fall on their own record.
A worst case senario (I suspect, but admit I have not crunched the numbers) is if that previous 120,000 SNP list vote they got in 2016 gets split 50/50 between SNP and Alba, and the SNP do poorly on the Constituency vote.
Alba will still take seats, but almost certainly there will be no Indy majority, and the 50/50 split will lead to an Indy vote split. Oh and the unionists will also get in.
This year represents (on current polling) a perfect storm. It will not come this way again.
So for anyone who cannot, for good reasons, vote for the SNP anymore. It’s understood.
However, lets Max the Alba List vote for Indy.
@SNPleftme
A SNP majority or a SNP/green majority is exactly what is going to happen if people vote SNP1, let’s not forget this is exactly what you are campaigning for. You are nothing but a sturgeonite fox in the hen house. We see you.
kapelmeister says:
18 April, 2021 at 12:36 pm
Luigi @12:30
The council elections a year from now should be an interesting scenario. Alba by then should be stronger and able to take many seats away from the SNP, thus undermining the Sturgeon cabal.
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The GE will also be interesting!
Not voting SNP will be a lot less complicated than it is now.
“What, then, are SNP MPs doing in London bars, getting publicly drunk, and sexually harassing their staffers? As servants of the people, how humble are our “futile 46”?”
Al Stuart 12.35
I see you…….
TheSNPLeftMe says:
18 April, 2021 at 12:39 pm
Daisy Walker @ 12:28
I disagree. Alex is the leader of the Party. Let her refuse to speak to him. Let people see what she has become at every opportunity.
She is assuming at the moment that she will either have a majority SNP Government or one with Green support.
Election Results can focus the mind rather quickly.’
Fair point, she is still setting a dangerous precident though, one that will be used by Westminster against Scottish Indy leaders in the future.
Great post @ 11 .335 Al-Stuart .
No , it didn’t take long did it ?
1st in Mr Shocked with a bizarre interpretation of your comment- attacking the OP , really ?
Yes – We see them . they seem to be multiplying exponentially .
No Pasaran ( without getting their sorry arses skelped )
Fck !! ” 11 . 35 ” . ” 11.335 ” is probably more accurately the number of bad faith actors trolling this site recently
The SNP is, in every sense of the word, lost.
‘Astonished says:
18 April, 2021 at 10:59 am
P.S. Can anyone enlighten me with regards to : ” An openly-racist dossier attacking a selection contest opponent emerges from an MSP’s parliamentary office. HQ does nothing.” ?’
The link is in the words, look for the blue colour.
If you have a problem opening an ie archive (vodaphone blocks them), then all you have to do is change the letters ie to vn.
There are some other sites which work too. Wikipedia has a list so hopefully if and when vn gets blocked one of the others will work.
link to archive.vn
Decided to vote SNP1. I have agonised over it but the fact that Joanna Cherry is in the party made me able to do it. My candidate is woke as fuck, so very difficult decision.
The Murrells will be gone when the truth comes out.
Robert Hughes 12.48
Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you eh?
Look out look our behind you…….
It is very very sad that Scotland has experienced such terrible strife that there are now less than 100 Scots in the whole country.
Obviously all but a tiny few of the 5.5 million current residents are non-Scot interlopers.
For it says in the Declaration of Arbroath:
“… for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule.”
It is extraordinary that approximatelly 50% of Scots would prefer relative poverty and English rule than relative wealth and self government.
In future this unusual and perverse phenomenon will be of great interest to political and sociological students. 🙂
@Ruby 12.36
It is not the politically informed who will be confused. As a local politician I am aware of how little interest people have in the technical workings of the political system.
If they support a political party they do what the activists say – which is why activists need to get the message right.
Though I suspect a lot of people on this site never canvass real people and have never worn much shoe leather or got telephone elbow from doing election calls or put a poster up a pole …….
link to tinyurl.com
Sophie Ridge interviews Sturgeon.
FF to 17.51 for question re Alex Salmond
referred to earlier on this thread.
Aye well very entertaining Tone eh when does your shift end sweetheart ?
It’s good to see a wide variety of comments and options here some interesting some a bit off the wall , for folk that’s been around the block and been involved since 2014 or before it’s the groundhog day all over again .
The usual method is used disruption of the thread in question , post a stupid comment that gets everyone involved in a pointless argument with the nut job who posted the offending piece therefore the point of the thread is lost in the ensuing back and forth trading of insults .
I have lost count now and it can’t be that long until the Hollywood vote ,I say Hollywood because that’s what it pure Theatre with total liars attempting to get their moment in the sun going for the killer line to get themselves noticed ,
the electorate as usual are just an annoyance and soon long forgotten , the plan goes ahead with or without the support the consent or even the knowledge of the people who voted for them ,
This happens every time and will keep happening until we waken up and make sure they know who they are working for us , not themselves,not their party , but us we employ them
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@Shocked,
GOTCHA.
It took you just SIX minutes to Troll me.
You say I am attacking Dr Malcolm Kerr.
@Shocked, you write utter crap. I know Malcom. I respect and like him.
This is fascinating. Just SIX minutes to catch a 77th Troll. Good grief you really must be panicking. Got you in double shifts now?
@Shocked how on earth can even a 77th Brigade Troll warp my opening words as being an attack on Dr Kerr? I literally thank him from the start…
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Thank you Dr Kerr,
This is more like it. Another well written article that should provide a decent level of BTL interaction.
BUT…
Malcolm, I bet you £1,000 that your words, prefaced by the fact you joined the SNP in 1967 and have freely given thousands of hours to the battle for Scottish self-determination will soon be highjacked BTL by the extra-ordinary efforts to derail cogent debate. By whom? By British State actors who are joining sites such as Wings Over Scotland akin to a game of 77th Brigade whack-a-mole.
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@Shocked is a prime example of a low ranking 77th Brigade Troll.
These Amadans are on Wings Over Scotland within SIX minutes to derail, divert, extinguish rational BTL contributors time. I only respond once to prove the point.
The Establishment would NOT be doing its job properly if it failed to kill off IndyRef2.
@Shocked has proven there are an ever growing Army of new names on Wings here from the 77th to kill off debate and confuse their enemy. Us.
@Shocked I see you.
Now please fuckity fuck orf old bean. You ‘ave been rumbled mate. Back to the mess room for you. Go on matey, ‘ave a nice cuppa char dahn the old apple and pairs, ‘cos the Jocks ain’t biting. 😉
“at least as nuanced as the problems your face”
You saying there’s something wrong with my face?
Arch Stanton says:
18 April, 2021 at 12:24 pm
Independence is normal.
This is an excellent article. I appreciate that when you are in the party itself and too close to the problem, you may find difficult to see the big picture.
But for those of us that voted for the party to deliver independence and are in the outside looking in, the spectacle is insulting. Personally I have now completely lost any interest in continuing looking in or actually paying attention to a single word that comes up from Sturgeon or her praetorian guards (I am referring to the handful of usual suspects that immediately emerge on the front pages of the National, twitter or broadcasters as soon as Sturgeon is under fire, to throw a colleague under the bus to distract the electorate from her “mistakes” or to attack yes supporters that do not toe the line).
As a matter of fact, I do not recall a single meaningful action from the SNP leadership or Sturgeon’s praetorian guard to progress independence. Not one. When the name of one of them pops up in some article in the National or elsewhere, it is never to progress independence. It is always to regress it, to apply the breaks. It is either to patronise us, to discredit yes supporters, to foist on us unscientific nonsense, to blur reality, like when they demand SNP1 and 2, to discredit an SNP or former SNP member they don’t like or to protect the arse of a leader that has never acted even once as a leader in 6 years.
Walking out of the UK parliament ONCE only to return the next day with your tail between your legs when your party has an absolute majority of Scotland’s seats in the UK parliament and when the raison d’etre of that party is to dissolve that UK parliament, should not be the pinnacle of your career. Returning to that parliament after walking out should be the biggest embarrassment of your career.
That all you have to speak for SIX YEARS of your leadership of a nationalist party is ONE, one-day-walk out of Scotland’s nationalist MPs and ONE attempt to grab the maze, says that either you are not the nationalist you claim to be at all, or you are well out of your depth and you simply are incapable to lead at the level it is required.
What many of us looking in are wondering is what on earth are all those SNP MPs still doing in Westminster, when they were sent there to settle up, not settling down.
Those of us who are looking in, hear SNP drones like Blackford wailing about Johnson, the tories etc because they did this or the other to harm Scotland. And frankly we wonder what the hell do those drones expect when it is their own presence in Westminster what is legitimising that parliament and giving every opportunity to England MPs to abuse Scotland and then claim it was done on “our behalf”.
Insultingly, we also see so called nationalist MPs like Wishart or Black legitimising the subjugation of Scotland by taking part in so called “Scotland’s affairs committees” that are saturated with England Mps.
If you seriously want England MPs to stop harming Scotland, then you have to remove the legitimacy of that parliament and “Scotland’s” committees that are not exclusively formed by Scotland’s democratically elected representatives, to continue claiming they are acting on behalf of Scotland. That stands to the obvious. So why hasn’t any of this happened? Why are Black and Wishart in committees allegedly for Scotland but where England MPs have an even bigger say? Why are our 46 nationalist Mps still in Westminster?
I do not understand why the UK did not end on 8th May 2015 and never will. I will always see that day as the day Sturgeon sold the independence movement and deliberately took the wheels of it. At that point a nationalist party whose raison d’etre was to end the union had the absolute majority of the seats in HOlyrood and 95% of Scotland’s seats in Westminster. All this supported with over 50% of the vote for pro indy parties in GE2015. It is evident that that day the UK ceased to exist as a union. What we have now is a dictatorship where Sturgeon and England’s government are colluding to force Scotland to remain in the union.
If you don’t have the balls to end the union in that situation you are setting a precedent that can be used against Scotland down the line. Sturgeon has used this continuously for the last 6 years as she has seen 3 absolute majorities of SNP MPs entering Westminster and has done nothing, absolutely nothing about it. What she has been doing is to use our pro indy votes to preserve the union, not to terminate it.
I have been aghast for the last 6 years at not only how Sturgeon has made absolutely no progress to independence at all, but how she in fact has regressed our autonomy. Willingly and with the most ruthless contempt for the yes voters that put her where she is.
It is an absolute disgrace and speaks volumes for her absolute failure at leadership that when the more active members of the Yes movement try to bypass what must be at all practical effects the most useless so called pro independence “leader” in Scotland’s history and the most futile political strategy were there was ever one, along come her praetorian guard (because she is obviously to feart to do that herself, heaven forbid her political image could be damaged) to insult them, discredit them or even, ironically, calling them unionists when Sturgeon and her praetorian guard have been behaving far more pro union in the last 6 years than Blair.
It is not just obvious that this woman has no intention whatsoever to progress independence. Frankly, from where I am standing and judging by her actions that have done nothing other than wasting our time, handing our resources, rights and powers to England MPs and helping those England MPs to force on us England’s rule, I cannot find any other reasonable explanation for her actions than being a plant or being is so compromised that she has become a British state puppet on a string.
But the result is the same: she has betrayed the yes movement at every turn and yet, she is still in the driving seat and with her foot on the break pedal.
My question is, why haven’t the SNP members, the other SNP MPs out of the praetorian guard and the MSPs exposed and ejected this political fraud off the driving seat yet?
Surely I cannot be the only one to realise that the combo Murrell-Sturgeon + the praetorian guard is totally toxic, is eviscerating the party, is destroying its credibility and in doing so compromising the jobs of all those MPs and MSPs.
So why are those MPs and MSPs letting this to continue?
It stands to the obvious that the political conspiracy against Mr Salmond is because they feared him doing precisely what he is doing now: to expose Sturgeon’s SNP for the fraud it has become.
Mr Salmond and Alba have done far more to restore the momentum in they yes movement in 3 fckng weeks than this political fraud has done in 6 long years of deliberate inaction.
The only reason I will be voting SNP in May (in the constituency, because my list vote goes to ALBA) is because Mr Salmond asked us to and because I can see that a supermajority will be seen by the whole world as a mandate for independence. My vote for the SNP in the constituency does not endorse anything that the SNP stands today for. The only thing that is endorsing is the pro indy credentials that the SNP still retains outwith Scotland. I am voting for a pro indy seat, not Sturgeon’s New New Labour or her toxic policies.
But this is it. If this political fraud and her husband are allowed to complete the metamorphosis of the SNP into New Labour, I will never vote for that party again and I will be happily stocking up on popcorn to watch Sturgeon’s praetorian guard losing their Westminster seats one by one.
The clock is ticking. Either those MPs and MSPs put a proper pro indy leader on the driving seat, they force this political fraud to deliver in the next 2 years, because 2 years is what she has left before the yes movement completely bypasses her and her praetorian guard, or the SNP will be confined with Labour to the dustbin of political history in Scotland for betraying the Scottish people. And that will be another victory of the British state.
We don’t longer need the SNP as a driving force. We now have ALBA. So perhaps it is timely that if those MPs and MSPs wish to retain their jobs in the long term, that they put the political fraud on notice or they show her the way out, whatever is easier and faster.
@Al-stuart
well said. No idea why Stu does not clear out the most blatant 77ers from the site
I could make a list – and it is not that long
It spoils the debate
Effigy at 12.00pm
“I’d cut my arms off before voting for any English party and I will always use my right to vote.”
You’d have to get somebody to cut your other arm off, then for future votes, you’d need to appoint a proxy. Would that be the same person?
Great post Mia
It is interesting to note their are those whom will not even hold their nose to gain independence for Scotland.
Surely those purposing no vote for the snp regcognise that by default they are suggesting, to hell with AS and the new alba party,
This mantra is actually running in the same vain as NS opinion when she attempts to keep AS out of Holyrude and away from becoming an important political figure to all of Scotland.
So surely those here proposing no vote in the constitutancy for the snp are aware that they are blocking the Alba party from gaining list seats.
With this principle being promoted here on wings, they are doing the work for the snp and NS by preventing Alba from becoming a political force to challenge them the Snp and their atrocious Laws they are passing without scrutiny that are detrimental to all our.
WeeChid 01.11 pm
“Arch Stanton says independence is normal”
Uh?
@ James Che
Yup – why would people be on here arguing for a voting strategy that would hurt Alba I wonder ? Hmmm … let me seee
I agree with you, Prasad about voting SNP1. My candidiate is also woke and my current MSP is Labour but with a very slim majority. I, too, have agonised about how to vote. Before Alba came along, I had seriously considered voting Labour (which I have never done in my life) just to ensure that the SNP List candidate did not get my vote. Unfortunately, in view of the SNP List toppers also having been chosen according to their undemocratic rules, I suppose it would make little difference whether the SNP have a woke MSP drawn from the Constituency or from the List.
In the circumstances, I have therefore, reluctantly decided to vote SNP 1 Alba 2.
As for those who suggest that people who advocate this are Sturgeonites on the basis that the New SNP is unionist, the position is that the SNP may be devolutionist but they are still Nominally standing for Independence.
I really don’t think that is difficult to understand.
@Mia 1.12 pm
“At that point a nationalist party whose raison d’etre was to end the union had the absolute majority of the seats in HOlyrood and 95% of Scotland’s seats in Westminster. All this supported with over 50% of the vote for pro indy parties in GE2015. ”
The % vote for the SNP in the 2015 Westminster GE was 49.97%. the Scottish Greens got 1.35%. You can argue that pro-independence parties gained the plurality of votes, but you can’t argue that they had a mandate for independence or UDI on the basis of that result, as they never stood on a plebiscitary mandate.
If they HAD stood on such a plebiscitary mandate the international community may have accepted 51.32% as enough for recognition: after all they accepted 52% as enough for brexit.
Al-Stuart at 12.35pm.
Thanks, Al. That was hilarious!! Always a joy to read your incisively satirical take on the secessionists.
Like most here BTL, I found the article honest and refreshing – for the most part.
When the side you’re citicising are shutting down debate and claiming ‘hate speech’ for opinions, it’s not helpful to be firing from the hip yourself, unless you provide proof. The link about ‘openly-racist dossier’ was to an article in the National, which claimed that Gibson had questioned Bbutta’s association ‘with groups such as the Muslim Council of Britain and describes him as an Islamic fundamentalist.’
I’m unconvinced that’s evidence of racism. The accusations are either true or false (and Gibson claims they’re verifiable on the internet). Given that some of the worst examples of Muslim fundamentalism have been carried out by white converts, the accusations can hardly be racist. It’s become one of those insults that are lazily bandied about – like ‘fascist’.
It was also interesting to note that Bhutta is a cousin of the estimable Humza. Nothing like having chums with a pedigree, I suppose.
It’s worth pointing out, too, that the National article quotes Gibson as claiming that he’s been traduced by the two accusers, so there’s a lot of ‘he said, she said’ involved.
Other than that minor cavil, a good article.
Why would anyone vot3 for Nicola Sturgeon.
The wee woman was on Sky this morning giving out her tizzy tiz that she wont work with Alex Salmond. Oh really little wee woman. Yes I’ve concerns about his behaviour. I won’t go into the same room, platform, Parliament as him she hissy fits.
Can you imagine a Hillsry Clinton, or a Jacinda Ahern saying something like this. Boy oh boy our Nicola’s a real international statewoman.
Oh what a tizzy she is. Tizzy, tIzzy tizzy, and you know what, she doesn’t even know what Alba stands for despite its candidates comprising well known, very experienced SNP MPs, councillors, party executive members and academics.
In fact Sir Harry Burns ex chief medical officer for Scotland and current British Medical Association President wrote the Alba public health policy. Obviously doesn’t know him either, tizzy, tizzy, tizzy.
She’s a wee liar. Just a wee liar.
In the now delusional mind of Lady Sturgeon we are already independent and she is our sovereign. Apart from the ritual sideswipes at the Tories, there is virtually nothing in the SNP manifesto which acknowledges that Holyrood is a branch office of Westminster. Nothing to admit that that a large proportion of initiatives are either WM ones clothed in SNP colours, or small adjustments to them.
They pretend that all that is good is down to them, while glossing over their poor record with Covid, and the colossal wastes of money in political vendettas and the cronyism which is apparently appalling in WM, but fine in Holyrood. No mention is made of their record in education, health, land reform or business. Which is just as well, for them.
They are deep fakes, promising the earth in their manifesto, much of which will be forgotten after the election, and many schemes unfunded and unexplained. Just more feelgood hollow claims and promises, a PR manifesto with little political or economic reality in it.
Devolution has produced a middle class dependent on the state for a very comfortable existence, who have no real motive for the hard work needed for a realistic independence movement. It has allowed them to pose as the people’s champions, who want independence, while concealing their ruthless treatment of opponents or challengers, and the corruption of their party into a fan club with no say in anything. A tiny clique of people with great power who have compromised the legal system as well as parliamentary system. But the results of which have worked very much in their favour, and nobody else’s, least of all the poor chumps who will vote for them.
Kapellmeister at 12.36 pm
“ The council elections a year from now should be an interesting scenario. Alba by then should be stronger and able to take many seats away from the SNP, thus undermining the Sturgeon cabal.”
Why would this be? ALBA, should they field candidates for local authority elections, would be equally as irrelevant and pointless in that arena as the SNP are already. Neither can achieve their professed secessionist aim through the vehicle of local authorities, so all they would be doing is perpetuating the blocking of more worthwhile community representation.
“Eyes on the Prize” is a distraction. It is aimed at individual voters, and means “Don’t look at what is happening” which in turn asks voters not to look at dodgy policy, suspect finance or increasingly unpleasant personalities. “Ignore all the shit going on, pretend all is well and that you are happy with what we are doing, and one day, eventually you (note not we) may get what you want!”
@ 1.23 Aquarius
sane people are taking back Wings – well said
When I discovered that Tony Blair in cahoots with Donald Dewar had redrawn the North Sea in 1999 and slipped it in while everybody’s eyes where on the opening of the new scottish parliament I thought I had seen it all.
But all the stuff I have learned from this site especially, surpasses that little bit of skullduggery by a mile.
I will vote tactically, If I can give my vote to that tit Stuart McMillan and my main vote to Chris McLeney then anyone can do the same, McMillan is a waste of space down here in the Greenock area as everyone here Knows, but he will be gotten rid of eventually, and I don’t expect to wait 5 years to see it happen.
There are a few political careers that will end soon, and McMillan will be lucky to get a job moving trolleys about in my local supermarket.
I have a young friend who was in school with McMillan, he said even in school he was an absolute bum hole
Alba forever
So where is Ms Sturgeon’s polling indications that the GRA and HCB bills are going to persuade soft No’s to Yes ?
Add the drug deaths issue still getting worse, add the ferry’s fiasco, add getting attacked constantly on education- rightly or wrongly.
No, her idea is to constantly smear the man found innocent of any crimes and says she will not work with him to further the cause for independence .
I’ve met a few vindictive women in my time(lol) but none as vindictive as her_ none..
must be a shift change going on . . . I ‘ll go cook dinner for the kids.
Don’t often get spare time on Wings these days. All very interesting
link to tinyurl.com
Two black eyes!
Lack of sleep or a lover’s tiff?
TL;DR.
Take a guess at snp bad, the murrells are worse than Fred And Rose West. Vote snp anyway.
Great piece Malcolm. I particularly liked the piece about the SNP becoming so Blairite we could invade Iraq and your reference to the ILP. Let’s call them Caledonian conservatives, preserving their privileges behind a smokescreen of wokeness and welfare giveaways paid for by Westminster borrowing. He other strategy is to keep us under control with Covid scares,despite the fact that there i no meaningful threat.
These policies require no challenge or efforts at all. SNP in the constituency and Alba on the list despite what some of the roasters are saying on here is the best way to keep their eyes on independenc ,a prize they don’t want.
@James Che 1.17 pm
I think your take on this is wrong. I’m a founder member of Alba and former SNP member. I will never under any circumstances vote for a British nationalist party, nor will I now ever vote SNP or Scottish Greens: I don’t care how nicely Alex Salmond asks me, I just won’t do it. They don’t deserve my vote. If others are prepared to hold their noses and vote SNP or Green, fair enough but they don’t get to lecture me or anyone else that we are harming the cause. Whether folks scunnered with the SNP abstain, vote against them or reluctantly lend them their vote is a matter for their own conscience.
None of the “just do it, haud yer nose and vote SNP 1 this final time” brigade have ever explained or justified why their plan is objectively better than the alternative. It’s pretty obvious that the danger of the SNP 1 / Alba 2 approach is an SNP or SNP/Green outright majority where Alba MSPs have no leverage for the next Holyrood session. This would allow them to sit on their arses for the next 5 years just as they have for the past 6, with the added disincentive of the full throated pursuit of GRA reform and adoption of the HCB. Thanks, but no thanks.
The *possible* alternative – which it seems to me most real Alba supporters OUGHT to be aiming for – is to at least try to ensure the SNP or SNP/Greens fall short of an outright majority but have to depend on the support of Alba MSPs. I accept that the electoral system, the arithmetic of doing it and “events” make it difficult to engineer such an outcome. However I’d prefer to see a few less Alba MSPs even if it that was the outcome of not voting SNP 1 just for the joy of surgically removing a few SNP seats.
Defeating Sturgeon, Roberston, Swinney, Yousaf or McKelvie…I’m sure others are worthwile targets too….would be more than worth it.
@Ruby
Looks more like she is an alky. Classic swollen face and puffy eyes. That and the menopause should take dispatch her quicker than alba.
Having succeeded in listening to a part of the Ridge/Sturgeon interview, I note that Sturgeon yet again refers to a five year Parliamentary term ending in 2026. Although I have asked this question here before, I feel the need to ask yet again if there is some tacit agreement that the four year Scottish Parliamentary term has been extended automatically and unconstitutionally to five years?
Cadogan , I am far too old not to understand the voting system to which the UK clings.
I even understand the convoluted system put in place to attempt to prevent the SNP winning outright.
I understand it enough to accept the advice of the former FM.
I also understand the need for an ‘X’ as opposed to a 1 or a 2.
Ruby , I am kind of hoping that someone will tell truths and the deil tak the hinmost.
Andy Ellis 1.42 pm
Good afternoon Andy,
Just to be clear, are you suggesting that nationalist voters should vote for no one in the constituency vote and for Alba on the list?
I meet so many young people that have a vote but say they will not be voting cause its pointless, I have explained why they should vote for McMillan and vote for Chris McLeney.
They are all going to do that I hope, but unless I am there with them as they put their crosses down I cannot be sure if they will even bother with voting.
But if I get a few it could make a big difference to Chris, at least I will have done something to aid the cause of Alba and chris.
Alba forever
Thanks Wings and Malcolm Kerr. Your writing describes the thinkng of so many of us now resigned SNP activists. We are where we are and we must find a way of moving forward.
Alba stirs things up deserving of substantial voting. In Edinburgh Central, an exemplar of SNP Leadership duplicity and brazen banditry, Bonnie Prince Bob has found a space to connect with our working class citizenry. Bravo BPB.
So as Aretha Frankln might have advised now “We gotta think”.
Wouldn’t do any harm to have a good look at “Eyes on the Prize” a collection of 14 programmes documenting “An American Experience” of the Civil Rights Movement from 1954-1983. A brilliant, raw archive of what went on produced by activists who took part.
We have a lot to learn. We learn by doing not hedging our bets.
This is what the SNP should’ve done under Sturgeons tenure but they didn’t, Alex Salmond says that a Scottish currency must be set up as soon as possible after Scottish independence.
The ALBA party is breath of fresh air compared to the stale SNP.
RepublicofScotland,
Did Mr Salmond say what this currency would be, how it would be established in the markets, who would act as a lender of last resort and provide the reserves to prevent an immediate run on this new and unknown currency?
Did he happen to mention what it might be worth?
Another SNP failure I’m sure Dr. Kerr would agree.
link to msn.com
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………… I am voting SNP and I detest them more than Pineapples, and my father made me eat them once as a boy as he thought I was just being contrary, I took a little bit of Pineapple and hated it, but I never had to do it again as that satisfied him, and I had the pleasure of never eating the horrible tasting things ever again
Great article
. I have come to the conclusion the Murrels have reached their limitations.
Salmond, in contrast, has decades of knowledge and political experience and his intellect envied by politicians from all Parties ,
Arch Stanton.
I didn’t post the link because its behind a paywall, but you can read few sentences for free.
link to thenational.scot
@ Andy Ellis at 1:42 pm
It is undoubtedly a difficult decision on how we cast our votes. Many factors in play including, location, emotional, moral, and practical aspects.
There are pluses and minuses on how we as individuals, the Parties, the collective that is the Indy movement, and importantly how others will use the result for their own ends.
I was pondering a situation where a current constituency MSP fails to hold that seat, but it allows a ranked 1 roaster from the Regional List to get in instead.
Such a situation might be very useful as it would put said roaster in the spotlight for all to see.
There could be a two fold benefit in that it in the short term it may motivate some decent SNP reps to defect to distance themselves from the idiocy, and in the longer term steer previous supporters who actually blindly voted the roaster in, to realise their error and migrate their allegiance and support elsewhere for future elections.
Lots of great comments BL.
I ignore Folk who slag off the messenger.
Disagree if you will but when you resort to insults, you’ve lost all credibility.
Neale Hanvey on twitter said he blocked Blackman even when he was in the SNP, she is that annoying. HAHA
Re NSs appearance, not commenting on looks as to me it appears more like stress.
Maybe internal polling is not good.
Compare to Alex, who I thought looked the best he’s been in a long while, when interviewed by Bolton.
NS has been very disloyal to members, but now she suddenly needs us.
It is no coincidence, IMO, that MPs are helping with leaflet drops, the wokes are too spoiled to get our there and graft.
‘Eyes on the prize’ = avert your eyes from what we are doing, and have done. The prize is a mythical reward at the end of the rainbow.
The elephant in the room is convincing no voters to yes. That’s what I’ll continue to do.
What currency would scotland use some people ask, it would be a scottish currency.
Scotland can set up its own bank.
In the philippines I have a choice of so many banks my head spins with it all, and every one of them use the peso, what is the peso, well mexico uses the peso and they certainly are not liable for the peso as used by the Philippines.
Currencies are not complicated things to understand, they fluctuate all the time, the UK pound goes up and down like my neighbour’s venetian blinds, but she is just a nosey git not a currency lol
Thanks Republic,
It appears that he is saying such a currency would not be established on “day one” of independence, which still leaves me wondering what the plan is for “day one” and whether it still involves requesting the dubious right to cede control of our entire monetary policy to a foreign entity, that is the only notionally independent of government Bank of England?
‘We have to start behaving as if we are intending to become independent.’
This is the difference between ALBA and the SNP.
One of the (many) things the SNP gets away with is the change in its overall political and economic policies. Because their cover story is based on grievance with the Tories, along with the independence carrot, and lately the leadership cult, they have fashioned a nice tartan blanket to cover their move to the right.
Because their appeal is supposedly independence over general political direction, and thus to all Scots, they have managed to avoid answering nearly all questions about their political and economic competence, as well as their beliefs. Which, when you examine their record, you may well conclude, is exceedingly convenient. No hard questions to answer, just float along on the Sturgeon the head girl of the nation hoopla.
It is a neat conjuring trick, where all the failures of policy are consigned to the memory hole, while new visions of cake and ale can be promised on a regular basis. What is masks is the shift from the generally left of centre social democratic position under Salmond, one which chimes with most Scots, to a neoliberal right of centre stance which allies with big business and landowners, cronyism and favouritism of the type deplored at WM.
Extraordinary that no-one picks up on it, and that they can bury their shift rightwards under swathes of PR on bagpipes and shortbread for all. Their success is largely down to a refusal to come clean with the electorate, while carefully avoiding the common currency of politics with which all the other parties are saddled. Does anyone have a clue what Nikla thinks about these serious issues? No, of course not. That is the whole, very convenient idea.
Why do folk get so worked up about currency?
We can use any dammed currency we want on day one. Call it “smackaroonies” if we want. If the southerner’s don’t whant to take them when you’re on holiday in Blackpool or wherever , fine. They have a dual purpose_ smack them aroon the coupon and steal the cone!
David Caledonia,
You suggest that setting up a currency and central bank is a simple and straightforward operation, so why do you think it is so difficult to get the de facto political leaders to say what their preferred policy would be and how this would work?
Six years of attacking and undermining the Yes movement, the neutering of the SNP membership, ignoring the cause of independence and all the actions/rhetoric with regards to Alex Salmond, Alba and a Supermajority is the strategy of a unionist happy to maintain the status quo. Devolution is a construct of unionism and to settle for it makes you a unionist. Just saying you want independence and promising it doesn’t make it so if your actions and deeds don’t fulfill that promise. The refusal to advocate a Supermajority of independence supporting MSP’s within Holyrood smacks of the status quo and the status quo is the union. They would also have to commit the missing £600,000 if they were to follow Alba’s strategy and we know that they cannot do that. If you acknowledge to yourself that Ms. Sturgeon is a unionist everything else makes sense. Just a thought. That said, and not to give Ms. Sturgeon and the union what they want ie that slight majority and the illusion of wanting independence whilst allowing Westminster to rule. Lets follow the Alba strategy and vote for a Supermajority and actually achieve independence. The status quo is unionism.
Prasad – Thanks for that.
I agree Nicola is looking very, very tired. And I haven’t seen anything from murrell for quite some time.
I surmise that Alba are doing much better in polling. SNP funds are not holding up, SNP membership is rapidly declining, MSP candidates are voicing concerns that the leaflet footsloggers are just not there anymore and the wokeratti are worried as women just wont wheesht.
And our imperial masters must be thinking that Alba is not getting derailed ; therefore they must attack the SNP to try to dent their constituency vote.
And to do that they may have to detonate the genderwoowoo bomb.
Let’s see how imperial master’s tv starts to change the narrative.
Hi Republicofscotland.
Your National story is at archive.is.
“Alex Salmond says independent Scotland must have its own currency”
link to archive.is
Very well said Malcolm. You are quite right, only from a bird’s eye perspective can we stand outside of ourselves and see things clearly and objectively.
I am not sure, however, that there is a cure for the malaise affecting the SNP hierarchy except excision.
I think Alex Salmond is advocating voting for the SNP in the constituency vote because he has invested so much time and energy in the party he doesn’t want to believe that Nicola Sturgeon is all bad. Unfortunately all the evidence points to the contrary.
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
“It is taken for granted in the independence movement that “The people of Scotland are sovereign.” If our form of government is to be different from the one that has dominated us for over 300 years, then that statement has to be detached from rhetoric and made a legal construct”.
It’s a waste of time trying to fight an SNP civil war and arguing the toss with the “I love Nicola” people. Been there, done that. I’ve moved on, so should youse.
Put your energies into positive things: supporting the Alba Party, for example.
A week or two ago, it appeared that the SNP were set for a substantial majority, but an apparently unnecessary flurry of free handouts and headline announcements – free breakfasts, free lunches, free school uniforms, free laptops, free school trips, free money, new hospitals(which won’t make people sick this time) suggests, to me anyway, that the SNP are worried about something.
Darned if I know what though?
She looks like blair in his final days
link to theguardian.com
Alba starting to look like corbyn.
Willie says:
18 April, 2021 at 1:27 pm
Why would anyone vot3 for Nicola Sturgeon.
If the polls are remotely accurate, she will win next month, maybe even with an outright majority
So if she wins, would you rather see her being challenged in Holyrood by the same old toothless Unionists or by Alex Salmond and ALBA MSP’s?
Sturgeon will get what’s coming to her, but for this particular Election, it is a much higher priority, and much more important getting ALBA’s presence established and mobilising the YES community to reignite the demand for Independence.
It’s a symbiosis. If you vote to hurt the SNP, the SNP will lose Constituency seats – to Unionists. Once the SNP starts losing Constituency seats, the deHonte system will recognise the SNP is less dominant, thus making it more likely the SNP becomes more eligible to win more List seats. For ALBA’s benefit, we don’t want ALBA and the SNP competing for the same List Seats. That’s the symbiosis. That’s the formula that wins big.
If you want a strong ALBA party, it means putting SNP in the Constituency and ALBA in the List.
Don’t listen to the trolls harping on about hypocrisy or voting to endorse perverts or any other such talk. The optimum result is for the SNP getting a clear run to win Constituency seats from Unionists, and for ALBA to be getting a clear run to take List seats for Unionists, and those battles will ONLY be clean fights between ALBA / SNP and Unionists, (no blue on blue attacks), IF the SNP has conquered well in the Constituency vote.
Sturgeon’s tenure is living on borrowed time. There’s the missing money and Leslie Evans going to Court which will make life difficult for Sturgeon, and if ALBA does extraordinarily well, Sturgeon could be facing Alex Salmond at FMQ’s every week. You really think Sturgeon’s ego could cope with that?
Do not look upon May’s vote as a reprieve for Sturgeon and her corrupt and creepy SNP. Instead, look upon May as vital for getting ALBA into Holyrood, and in strength, so Sturgeon’s hubris comes face to face with her nemesis.
If we can do it, and do it well, we can secure that all important Supermajority. Have you noticed? That is what the Trolls are attacking. A supermajority is only bad news for Unionists.
Even the people who can’t bring themselves to excuse Sturgeon and vote SNP1 do not condemn the principle of a supermajority, they just think the sacrifice needed to achieve it is too great. Those are the people who need to be persuaded to put SNP1 and ALBA2 on their ballot.
Sabotaging the chances of a Supermajority is the Unionist’s game. Keep that in mind when you’re scrolling past the Trolls.
I utterly loathe Sturgeon and her crooked SNP. Anybody who’s read my comments these last few years knows that beyond any conceivable doubt. I can, and will, vote SNP1.
Alex Salmond was nearly sent to jail branded a sex offender on trumped up charges by an SNP Conspiracy. Alex Salmond, Leader of ALBA, will be voting SNP1.
If I can do it, if he can do it, then you can do it. SNP1 ALBA2.
So you’ll spoil your ballot to make a point on the day? OK, I get it. Why not make a bigger point, a point that sticks around long after polling day, and do what it takes to install an SNP / ALBA Supermajority that cuts down Westminster rule at the knee? Won’t that make you feel better than spoiling your ballot?
Remember the talk way back in 2014 / 2015 about whether YES should evolve into a List Party? Tell me you remember that. Well heads up people. YES has become a List Party, it’s called ALBA, it’s led by Alex Salmond, and it’s standing for List Seats in May.
Can I just say that any country with an independent currency and central bank requires substantial foreign exchange reserves, in order to trade them as and when the situation demands. Nothing is ever clear when it comes to the question of a currency of an independent Scotland, but this is worth bearing in mind for those who believe it is a simple process.
It would be nice to get it settled though, so that we can move on to issues like borders, trade, debt repayment, deficit reduction, immigration, state apparatus, EU membership and the like..
Thank you for that Sir a good read. I wonder how many more in the SNP would agree with you.
Sadly I accept that there will be no independence in my lifetime we will have to wait until Alba or some other party appears to take up the fight, that will take many years.
You mention the Dothraki Wedding in your article, I was at such a wedding several years ago in a town called Shotts, glass of Buckfast anyone.
Dr Kerr , Thank you for this article.
It sums up exactly how so many of us feel at the moment regarding the way the Snp are as a party right now . It’s time for Mr & Mrs Murrell and others within their clique to go and make way for others eg J Cherry , A B MacNeill etc to take leadership and control of the party and fight for Scotland’s Independence which it’s not been doing since Mrs Murrell became leader .
For Breeks says
For Willie says
Brilliant ????
SNP1+ ALBA2
Ignore the questions marks on my last post
The politicians and people of 1922 are not the same as those of 2021. Identity politics is the be all and end all of our chattering classes with their systemic racism, misogyny, toxic masculinity and the evil machinations of the patriarchy. We are now governed by the professional politician that only care about their own wealth and power and voters who can be swayed by the colour of the rosette and trends on social media.
The ‘Brits’. Seriously. Indy can take a hike if I have to get subjected to anymore of this Republican-esque BS.
WE, are Brits. We entered a Union forming Great Britain, lest 300 years of history passes anyone by.
What next? Instead of “Up the RA” we” be hearing “up the (Al) “BA”?
Malcolm Kerr’s top-class article describes what is axiomatic in all structures first enunciated by Lord Acton in the 1890s:
“POWER TENDS TO CORRUPT AND ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY”.
To which can be added the more modern Peter Priciciple:
“In an organisation, all tend to rise to their level of incompetence”.
The SNP in both measures perhaps?
David Caledonia,
Pineapples are delicious and healthy for you (full of vitamin C too).
You’re supposed to eat the inside.
Dan Hardy,
Well said Dan. Some of them actually believe Scotland is an English colony!
remember folks, trolls also win when they waste your time
– their posts, often too many, of no substance, will “slide” good posts way upthread, where people will miss them
new handle, lots of posting; reasonable at first, then arsey later on – diverting the discourse
always asking questions that – have been answered many times, can be looked up, and when they get an answer, they go on to something else, or makeup bullshit hypotheticals
– if the Isle of Wight goes independent after the breakup of the UK, getting rich by charging transit fees for Le Manche, how will the MOD be able to afford to fulfill its naval responsibilties … checkmate, little englander
‘Ideologically, Corbynism was a break from New Labour centrism but sociologically, it was more Blairite than Tony Blair. As the Labour MP Jon Cruddas has argued, the Corbyn revolution in the Labour party has narrowed its social base even further, making it the party of young, middle-class southerners, popular in London and some prosperous university towns.’
Sounds like wokeus deus SNP.
“you can’t argue that they had a mandate for independence or UDI on the basis of that result”
We will have to agree to disagree. Personally I believe they had a mandate for independence and they still have it to this day, because:
1. The SNP has the pursuing of independence in its constitution. That is the reason d’etre of the party, not GRA, hate bills or TV Covid updates.
2. This is a parliamentary democracy. This means your mandate in parliament does not come from a majority of the vote in the polls. It comes from a majority of the vote in Parliament. It comes from a majority of the seats. And that is the reason why labour and tories are desperate to maintain FPTP in England while trashing it everywhere else to avoid inconvenient absolute pro indy majorities in Scotland, Wales or NI. Incidentally, a supermajority of seats is what Mr Salmond is looking for, not a supermajority of the vote.
The reason why I mentioned the percentage of the vote is because it shows clearly that the number of seats the SNP got were not by accident. They were supported by an astonishing increase in the pro independence vote in 2015 that surpassed the 45% yes vote only 8 months before, when if the vow con act had worked and the matter of independence had been put to rest, you would expect to see a decrease of the vote, not such an increase. For first time, the unionist vote was the minority. And that is considering that 16-18 year olds, among the most pro yes of the demographics, were not allowed to vote in the GE.
It was clear that the vote was the consequence of the people of Scotland realising they had been conned and wanted out of the union. If we had Mr Salmond in power at the time, I am sure that 95% of the seats would have been put to good use instead of being wasted.
Personally I do not recognise the concept of UDI when it is associated to Scotland. UDI, in my view, does not apply to Scotland. It applies to Wales and applies to any part of England or Scotland that wishes to separate individually from the UK, but not to Scotland as a whole. Why? Because the UK is not a unified country. Scotland is not like Catalonia. The UK is a bipartite political union. Scotland entered voluntarily into a union, it was not annexed like Catalonia was. Scotland is one of the signatories of this voluntary union and its original constitution, therefore the most it can do is to end that voluntary union so the constitutive parts revert to their former status: the Kingdom of Scotland and the Kingdom of England.
London can UDI. Scotland cannot. If Scotland “UDI’s” it terminates the political union and forces the Kingdom of England to UDI as well. If Catalonia UDIs, Spain does not cease to exist. If Scotland ends the union, the United Kingdom of Great Britain ceases to exist.
“they never stood on a plebiscitary mandate”
You can argue that if your raison d’etre is to end the union, you don’t need a plebiscitary mandate. A vote to that party is a vote for independence.
“international community may have accepted 51.32% as enough for recognition”
Margaret Thatcher and Major accepted a majority of SNP MPs as a mandate to end the union. It is my personal opinion that the union ended at all practical effects on 8th May 2015 and all what we have been watching ever since is smoke and mirrors. It is my opinion the UK has been artificially kept going ever since by the collusion of England’s government and Sturgeon’s government. In other words, the UK is now a dictatorship where Scotland is being kept in the uK against its will so England can continue profiting from its assets and have a free parking for its WMD.
My gut tells me the reason Sturgeon bottled it in 2015 is because if the union had ended in 2015 England’s 1% would have never been able to pull off Brexit and would leave them having to face the “burden” of EU tax evasion and tax havens transparency laws. The ability of the elite to evade taxes is of course of much more importance for those in England and Scotland’s governments than abiding by international law and let the people of Scotland exercise their right to self determination.
It is my opinion the UK is still currently being artificially maintained by denying us our right to self determination and by Sturgeon undermining our popular sovereignty with her embracing of English convention because England cannot survive on its own two feet out of the EU and without a trade deal with USA unless it keeps the umbilical cord that is feeding it from Scotland’s assets and revenues.
The problem is history tells us that when England is offered a finger it tends to take the whole arm so I have no doubt that it will include Scotland’s assets in any trade deal as a way to get an advantage for itself, never mind how detrimental such action may be for Scotland.
A real pro independence leader would have never allowed Scotland to be put in such situation. Scotland is not in the map to keep England afloat. Sadly, at the biggest point of need in our political history, we are stuck with a political fraud who could not waste any time in handing over to England our powers and the control of our assets, including things that have always been administered in Scotland even before devolution such as our water and Scotland’s NHS.
Democracy does not even enter the equation. It never did. There is no democracy in the UK, neither parliamentary or any other type. What we have is smoke and mirrors. If democracy had ever been respected, the political union between Scotland and England would have ended in 2015.
Proof that democracy does not exist in this artificially maintained uK is how Sturgeon brushed under the carpet our mandate to remain in the EU and how she flushed down the sewer our 2016 mandate to hold indyref.
If we are not independent today is not because the SNP did not run on a mandate for independence. If we are not independent today is because Sturgeon’s SNP does not want to see Scotland as an independent state.
A lack of mandate is not the problem. It is the symptom of the problem.
well said Breeks
– I was bemused by ‘Andy Ellis’ above saying he was a founder member of Alba and then proceeding to tell us NOT to vote the way Alex Salmond has asked.
must be the new shift
@Republicofscotland
Whole article here-
link to archive.fo
Two Parties,
One to sweep the Tories out of the Constituency Seats,
One to sweep the Tories out of the List Seats.
One movement to bind them together, The YES MOVEMENT !
Remember 2016 SNP’s 950K votes got 4 list seats !
The Tories (Red&Blue) 950K votes GOT THEM 45 LIST SEATS !
SNP 1 and ALBA 2 ???????
ALSO Also Arch Stanton banging on about currency.
1. If Scotland goes it alone on currency then it does not inherit the National Debt and thus would have a pretty unlimited capacity for borrowing to build up reserves like the RoI.
2. If London ‘allows’ Scotland to use the pound (and the RoI used the pound without permission for 70 years) then the Scottish Government would have the same capacity as the rump-UK to borrow
3. England has a huge trade deficit since the mid-1960’s and before, whereas Scotland has a huge trade surplus with the rest or the world since forever . See official trade statistics here link to uktradeinfo.com
BUT NOTE official UK trade statistics allocates most of Scottish Oil as an export from the London area as well as all Scottish Whiskey exports. Electricity and gas is treated as an export from the SE region of England. The reasons for this is what they describe as ‘technical reasons of company and VAT registration which I can explain in detail if you want
I very much doubt that an independent Scotland would continue this practice. (:
So, in summary an independent Scotland would have the problem of trying to keep their currency low as the Scottish economy is export-led unlike the English economy which is consumer consumption-led as England no longer exports.
if you believe as i”m sure is the case, in the democratic process.then you have to carry the will of the majority in order for the ultimate goal to be achieved.since 2014 (the last referendum)the snp have done nothing to prepare for independance for scotland.the signs are, going forward,that that will remain the case. scotlands institutions are not working,the recent alex salmond enquiry has shown that up.how anyone can consider voting snp is beyond me.they need a long time to ponder how they could allow things to go so wrong.(minus nicola sturgen,john swinney,peter murrell,angus robertson.)
Cadogan Enright,
I only read the very first line of your very first paragraph and literally burst into laughter. I appreciate I might need to get out more but that is comedy gold. Default on a debt on day one and see how long you last??
Okay Cadogan,
I moved on to para 2. Yes of course Scotland could borrow but would have interest rates and all other monetary matters dictated by the Bank of England, whether it suited Scotland’s economy or not, and EU membership would be impossible.
Call that independence??
3. Cadogan this just gets better.
Scotland relied on the UK for more than 60% of pur trade and you want to default on our share of debt?!?
@ Cadogan Enright 12.03pm
You said
Too many people on here effectively trying to stop ALBA from getting seats
No Cadogan you are not interested in seats for ALBA you are only desperately pushing the SNP 1 and ALBA 2 vote because people are physically boaking at voting for the SNP and you have ALWAYS been a Nicla apologist ,even now you come on Stu’s website to push the narrative whilst snidely slagging him off because he still shows Sturgeon up for the corrupt amoral scum that she is
Finally, someone else sees PM for the Brit he is.
However, the person (PM) / people who convinced Salmond that the security in 2014 was acceptable (ZERO ID security and hence send in a 500K+ NO Postal votes) is/are the ("Tractor" - Ed)(s).
@Arch Stanton
its obvious you don’t understand they way sovereign currencies work. Or are only o here to troll as I suspect
If the rump-Uk refused share the £ with Scotland – then under international law Scotland would have no liability for the debts that would fall exclusively to rump-UK
And if Scotland used the £ anyway without permission the way Ireland did, they would not have any of the rump-UK debt either.
@Al-Stuart
I was trying to be nice, but if the gloves are off.. you are a paranoid rambling lunatic who would best be placed in some sort of institution. I’ve supported independence for over 25 years but I’ve never been that active because of lunatics like you, lunatics who incidentally cost us the first ref and here you are now promoting re-electing the corrupt criminals in the New SNP who have squandered the last 7 years.
Now away and polish your bedside picture of Queen Nicola.
Cadogan,
I have just explained to you why your options are extremely limited and what some of the consequences might be. In response, you make some wholly fatuous and absurd claim about walking away debt free, whilst having the temerity to refer to me as a troll?!
I wish you the very best of luck but if that is the extent of your logic, you may as well give up now!
@Arch Stanton,
I think that you’re right about needing to get out more.
At independence, there will an agreement whether a share of rUK debt will become the initial Scottish national debt.
Cadogan Enright appears to be adopting Richard Murphy’s arguments, in which it’s possible that Scotland might accept liability to continue paying interest on a small part of the existing debt, but that would be to ease negotiations.
The legal point is similar. The debt was issued by the UK. The rUK state will be the continuing state. There is nothing in any debt issue which says that in the event of the dissolution of the Union, Scotland is liable for a share of the debt.
@twathater – SO you agree with ‘Andy Ellis’ then surprise surprise
so we are all to ignore the voting direction advised by Alex Salmond ??
that makes sense for people interested in Scottish independence then??
I don’t think so
another troll
If you recall Bojo told the EU that unless he got a deal he wouldn’t be
Paying the agreed £39 Billion Divorce Bill.
If Scotland used Bojo’s own words back to him could it be construed
to be outrageous.
As England control all our assets we would need to play ball and negotiate.
We are always informed that we are supposed equal partners so I’d let them buy
Our share of all the foreign embassies, dependencies like the Falklands, Gibraltar, Chagos islands
Our Crown Estates, Crown Jewell’s and Gold Reserves, Nuclear weapons, Naval Ships and Bases,
Army and Airforce Equipment such as Aircraft Carriers.
Should we take back 10% of the billions Westminster bribed the DUP with in their other Colony?
10% of Crossrail, HS2, of England’s Nuclear Power Plant etc?
We also take our stolen Maritime Waters back
STEVEN ELLIOTT says:
“Finally, someone else sees PM for the Brit he is”
Brit: Noun & Adjective – a British person.
British: Plural noun – people coming from Great Britain.
Great Britain – Created when the Kingdom of Scotland merged with the Kingdom of England under the Acts of Union 1707 to form the Kingdom of Great Britain.
@Arch Stanton 1.42 pm
I’m suggesting people should vote with their conscience. I live in Edinburgh Central and wouldn’t be able to bring myself to vote for Angus Robertson for example. I plan to vote for Bonnie Prince Bob because I also couldn’t bring myself to vote Tory and they’re the most likely ones to beat Robertson (particularly as the Greens have insisted on standing a candidate again as they did in the last election).
In other constituencies I’d probably either spoil my constituency ballot or simply not use it, though I can understand why many will follow Alba’s advice and vote SNP 1: for me it would depend on the candidate’s views.
Why is “arch Staunton” being allowed to waste all these electrons?
Bob W. @3.40pm.
Thanks Bob.
Brian @2.51pm.
Thanks to you as well Brian.
Scot goes pop suggesting SNP 1, Alba 2 may not help Alba gain seats in some circumstances but will ensure SNP get in on the constituency.
That is why those saying you must vote SNP 1 to increase Alba’s chances may not necessarily be correct.
As I’ve said, I will vote with my conscience, others will make up their own minds.
I could include the link but as a courtesy to the Rev, I won’t.
People, who want, can check it out on his blog.
@Cadogan Enright 4.11 pm
I’m not sure why my name deserves quote marks. Unlike many on here and elsewhere I post using my real name. I’ve been posting here for yonks: my views are hardly a secret.
Calling everyone who disagrees with you a troll is pretty lame, as is insisting we must all be slavishly loyal to the party line: it sounds no better when it’s the Alba party line than when it’s the SNP party line. Alex can suggest whatever he likes: nobody directs me how to vote. Anyone who accepts such direction is no democrat.
Brent Crude at $67 per barrel from $22 at the start of lockdown last year,
that`s $67,000,000 of our resources every day going dan saff to modernise the infrastructure of England,
bigest theft in the history of civilisation.
I thought the article of which Bob and Brian kindly provided links to was quite refreshing. The SNP aren’t talking about Scotland having its own currency anytime soon, and they’re meant to be the main party for Scottish independence.
ALBA has some important ideas such as a written constitution for Scotland and of course a currency.
very sadly for Scotland you are between a rock and a hard place.
Any vote for the current SNP is a vote for the status quo –
poor management, an internal party structure lacking in transparency or competency and a paucity in policies that would shame any government – and no significant movement towards independence or self rule in any guise.
To achieve long term gain may mean short term pain in order to move forward and overcome the current level of stagnation and ineptitude pervading Holyrood
@Mia 3.28 pm
Principled disagreement is fine. I see next to zero prospect of the international community recognising any declaration of independence which isn’t clearly in response to the people being asked for a mandate. No mandate for independence was requested in the 2015 Westminster GE, because the devolutionary Holyrood parliament was (and remains) wedded to the referendum process à la 2012-14.
As to your points:
1. That’s irrelevant to the issue at hand. Achieving independence requires a clear and unequivocal response to a mandate the international community accepts – especially if the UK attempts to contest the result of a change from a referendum to a plebiscitary election route.
2. Wrong. The international community will never accept independence claims from an entity like Scotland (or Catalonia or Quebec of anywhere else…) which is not clearly backed by more than 50% of the popular vote, gained in response to a clear request or mandate for independence. Thus they wouldn’t have accepted the 2015 result even tho’ we had 56 of 59 MP’s. This really isn’t rocket science, and you and others “raging against the machine” and insisting it’ll be fine going down this route are simply deluded: it just makes you look like the kind of tin-foil hat wearing zoomers that the britnats and Scottish yoons keep banging on about.
Please just stop it!
The rest of your (as usual) over-long post is just a rehash of what you said earlier , and no more convincing for the super-abundance of words. Prolixity doesn’t make what passes for your case any more convincing, it actually shows it up for the unreasoned “I feel it in my waters so it must be true” bollocks it is.
Please, please find a decent editor. Less is more. I hope to be hearing you much more.
What @Breeks says at 3:03 pm
Top drawer as ever, Sir!
SNP = Constituency
ALBA = Regional
Max The Yes.
Build ALBA to ultimately replace the SNP at future elections.
Build ALBA to make Sturgeon face Salmond weekly!
But most importantly of all Build ALBA to take Independence back from those who did fuck all with multiple mandates since 2016.
I can’t believe people are still arguing about currency and debt
The bank of England assumed all UK debt ,that’s Scotland England Wales and Northern Ireland all British debt is owned by the Bank of England.
Scotland is not in debt, has never been in debt ,can’t be in debt under the present constitutional settlement , because we don’t have a Central bank and therefore can’t issue currency if we can’t issue our own currency it can’t be underwritten by the central bank,because we don’t have one .
Scotland is under no obligation for the debt incurred by the Bank of England the central bank , this of course could be settled by negotiations , we own around one tenth 10% of U.K. Assets under a negotiated settlement we would probably be under a moral obligation, not a legal obligation to accept that we therefore would also assume our 10% of the debt if it can be shown as been incurred on our behalf , i.e. We benefited from the borrowing .
Of course any government intent in Independence would have Plans in place for the negotiations that would need to take place.
What has this SNP done to prepare for this ANSWER FUCK ALL and that’s putting it in the politest possible terms , they haven’t prepared because they don’t intend following through with their promise to the Scottish people that the whole point of the SNP is a Independent Scotland,
We were Lied to that’s why ALBA exists to get the fkrs back on Coarse if that’s possible .
Arch Stanton says:
18 April, 2021 at 3:25 pm
Dan Hardy,
Well said Dan. Some of them actually believe Scotland is an English colony!
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What would you call it Arch ?
Very interesting post from Dr Kerr. The SNP leadership needs a kick up the backside, sharpish.
It’s independence, stupid!
SNP/Alba in the NE for me.
Remember the old ALBA car stickers? You can still buy them I’m told.
If I was a HghHeid Yin in the SNP, looking at what we should do after the Holyrood Election – I would be putting forward the notion that, provided he gets elected on the North East List, it might be a good idea to nominate Alex Salmond as Presiding Officer.
It recognises the authority Eck would hold in the new parliament, but, more-importantly, it would prevent him from forensic questioning of the Sainted Nicola at FMQs every week.
Some possible phrases currently needed:-
Fuck off Murrells
Where’s the money?
What about Indy?
Post independence what voting system would be used? First past the Post, d’Hondt or another type of proportional representation?
Just curious, not a loaded question.
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Andy Ellis at 1.42pm.
I empathise with your dilemma 100%.
Here in this constituency, we have a greasy, slimed, pole climbing constituency SNP MSP whom very few at the SNP branch liked when I was a member. His unpleasant arrogance has turned off that many voters he has made this once solid SNP constituency a marginal ?.
It will take VERY little to get this Constituency MSP out of office. It adds a 3D game of chess complexity to the whole election here.
As for the List vote, EVERY SINGLE ONE IS A UNIONIST.
I am sorely tempted to spoil my first vote rather than cast it for thieving, lying Woke-captured Pension-grabbing Sturgeonite sychophants.
Andy, it sounds like you have got it figured out.
SNP 0 vote
Alba 2
When you clear out all of the panicky 77ers from these BTL threads, you have some genuinely honest dilemmas that each and every one of us face.
That can be multiplied by 10 if we all talk to family and friends about this.
Given Stuart’s website stats of 1,000,000 site visits each month, that might turn ALBA from 6% to 9%, maybe even 12%. How many Alba MSPs would that secure 🙂
My gut says that I trust Alex Salmond.
If, after all that duplicitous Machievallian harridan holed up in Bute House with the Beard Penfold Murrell, Alex Salmond can hold the peace and advocate voting SNP1 then part of me thinks Alex has a point.
Sturgeon will go. All these political dregs eventually get booted out of office. There are definitely still some decent folk in the SNP. Many of whom have not read the forensic work out in by the likes of Stuart Campbell.
It may very well end up being a decision taken a split second as that wee pen hovers over the ballot paper on 6th May 2021.
Whatever else, Alex Salmond, Stuart Campbell, Craig Murray, Iain Lawson, Barrhead Boy and yon decent Scottish guy in Dublin have helped make this election a place where we have HOPE.
BY that I mean we have something to win. Not the pathetic beige slogans Nicola adorns herself with whilst being Queen Covid on the Coronavirus TV Channel.
Cheers Andy and stay well.
P.S. A thanks to the kindness shown by genuine Wingers upthread 🙂
Hi Dan Hardy at 4:23 pm.
You claimed,
“Brit: Noun & Adjective – a British person.
British: Plural noun – people coming from Great Britain.
Great Britain – Created when the Kingdom of Scotland merged with the Kingdom of England under the Acts of Union 1707 to form the Kingdom of Great Britain.”
Maybe you WISH the above to be factual, but it’s a tad economical with the truth.
Brit |br?t|
informal noun
a British person.
adjective
British.
British |?br?t??|
adjective
1 relating to Great Britain or the United Kingdom, or to its people or language.
2 of the British Commonwealth or (formerly) the British Empire.
noun (as plural noun the British)
the British people.
Great Britain
Great Britain is an island in the North Atlantic Ocean off the northwest coast of continental Europe. With an area of 209,331 km2 (80,823 sq mi), it is the largest of the British Isles, the largest European island, and the ninth-largest island in the world.
1/3 Must try harder!
@ Andy Ellis as a fellow troll as Cadogan has decreed us to be obviously to render any opinion we may have as worthless , I would like to note that Cadogan never denied or refuted my claim that his insistence of the SNP 1 and ALBA 2 was a diversion to ensure his beloved nicla was reelected it has nothing to do with sense or what AS advises
Cadogan used to be a frequent attendee on WOS but when Stuart started exposing Sturgeon’s corruption and malfeasance Cadogan obviously took umbrage at Stuart’s exposures and distanced himself possibly to WGD where his thoughts are more in alignment , but still he likes to visit and give Stuart his valuable councillor experience and point out where Stuart is going wrong
We must be seriously worrying the brass hats at H.Q. Dennison barracks. It’s now all ‘shock and awe’ from the ‘troops’ ( are they on double time?)..from new despicable levels of sectarian verbiage( if you are bluenoses why are you not watching your team right now?), anti-islamic slurs; the joke literary ‘toff’s pointless ejaculations; all the way up to the usual ‘International relations’ expert’s claiming that the 2015 result of 56 x seats and a nationalist popular support of 51.3% for two parties, SNP and Greens both with avowed constitutions for Scottish Independence was an inadequate ‘result’ for the basis for demanding dissolution of the Union!…..
Long term readers of this site will recognise these same arguments by the WGD deserters and SNP loyalists such as ‘Dr Jim’ who attacked me and others for positing what had been the long held universally accepted basis for Independence by the SNP…interesting how he appears to agree with the ‘glacialists’?.
Unfortunately, the SNP must have agreed with him..they have kept on demanding more mandates aimed at the same outcome..more seats..but at the same time a total compliance with total refusal to assert the logical demand for Dissolution!
Apparently according to Max Headroom, a plebiscitary pledge based election by Holyrood: a devolved and sovereign deficient subordinate assembly ‘requesting’ one to Westminster would have greater legitimacy than the 2015 result.
The fact is that we are in a recognised political Union with England. The clue is in the name. It can only be dissolved by a General Election providing a majority of seats in Scotland for a truly Independence seeking party. Devolution is ‘power retained’..fact…end of.
Alba is a start. I will vote for it, But I have no faith in this being other than a start to begin to regain all the lost ground since at least 2014.
@Rogueslr 5.07 pm
Given what we’ve seen of D’Hondt, the SNP and the never ending conveyor belt of list-vote no marks over the years, I believe it is imperative that we move towards the STV system used in Ireland.
I’d far rather see that than risk a party like the SNP gaining the influence it has managed to wield at Holyrood under the current system.
Who’s the drunk woman harassing somebody (funny no sex is mentioned; guessing female) half her age? Not heard of this one. Guess Nicola hasn’t either. Having a vagina and there being no consequences for sexual transgressions in the Sexist Nightmare Party is clearly the hypocritical way to go these days.
Superbly written piece. More please!
RE “The Murrells”, recent history knows of only one state where a married couple were the first and second most powerful figures in government, yes good old Romania under the Ceausescus. Inauspicious comparisons abound in the New SNP’s Scotland.
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@Shocked at 4.10.
No you were not trying to be nice.
You FAILED to read the first three words in my original post and as a result you replied with a LIE.
You are a TROLL.
I am not quite sure if you are a 77er or some random Buckfast swally merchant or junkie with a keyboard, but your brains have definitely melted.p with ‘shrooms or suchlike.
You say your “gloves are off”.
Away and learn to read you pish ignorant bar fly.
@Shocked – I see you.
You are a Troll.
Seriously Stu., I will donate up to £500 to buy Wings if a WordPress plugin that MUTES these pish-stained lame-brained 77ers and Troll merchants from a BTL contributer’s timeline.
Stuart, if Twitter can have the HTML coding to sort out mass thread disruption, then surely you, as a professional IT guy can make it possible for BTL Wingers to have a button where they are able to MUTE rabid Amadans such as @Shocked and his wee multiple personality disorder pals Rock, Kcor, Fergus and AndyWanger etc, Thanks chief 🙂
@Breeks 3.03pm
What an excellent post, please imagine me standing in my kitchen applauding because that’s what I did on reading it
I understand why people don’t want to vote SNP, until ALBA came along we were stuck between a rock and a hard place – if we wanted independence, we were told, it has to be the SNP. Wheest for Indy, don’t let the Unionists in, if you don’t vote SNP it will be all YOUR fault if Holyrood gets shut down etc.
Then I read people here saying if only Alex Salmond would come back, people on Twitter posting if only Alex would come back, people on WhatsApp wishing Alex would come back.
“I’d vote for Alex in a flash” they said
Well he’s back, he’s got a strategy and it depends on us voting SNP 1
As Breeks says, if Alex Salmond can vote SNP 1, we can all do it
It doesn’t work if SNP lose constituency votes – you wished for Alex, we have Alex. Why are people now ignoring his plan ?
I have already sent my postal vote back – SNP1 ALBA2 – because I want to be watching FMQs when Alex rises to his feet, week after week to ask “What progress has the FM made towards independence for Scotland ?”
Ya dancer
This is the most powerful honest inspiring post I have ever read on Wing.
Dear Dr you have spoken for so many unheard voices.
@5.23pm
I thought the Sexist Nightmare Party was the Stupendously Nice Pension party
I think you’ll find it is now the Sexual Nonce Peadophile party
Max Headroom is still coupling Scotland’s status with Catalonia and Quebec..the true sign of a Brit troll..particularly one with a ‘political education’. All the Britnat trolls want us to let Unionists to win seats in order to undermine Alba’s chances and to send out a message, via the corrupt msm, that we are recoiling from Independence.
The other tactic is to question Brit State manipulation of our political system. A risible and disgusting lie. As the good DR, states in his article above, the Brits murdered people in broad daylight, infiltrated and framed not only in Ireland over a thirty year period, but on mainland Britain, Whether they be organisations such as Trade Unions or Animal rights. Scotland’s freedom poses an existential threat to England’s prosperity and exalted status on the world stage. It and its fascist elite will do everything to keep the status quo.
Sturgeon and her coterie of corrupt weaklings and woke virtue signallers were and still are being ably supported by a Unionist civil Service staffed by RUK leadership; Police Scotland with new leadership recruited from outwith Scotland and a strong connection with security services in N.I.The compromised COPFS is a fabricated shell of the once proud Independent Scottish legal system. All of this is a clear indication of a colonised and subjugated country. As Prof. Baird says it is down to the ‘sma folk’ of Scotland, as ever, to rescue auld Scotia from Perfidious Albion.
BTW, I see that Sturgeon has brought in Tim Hair at £790 k per year to sort out the ferries fuck up at Ferguson’s ship yard.
Prof Alf Baird and Roy Peterson (marine consultant)
were on the Holyrood committee which recommended shelving Mackay’s disastrous management of the project and buying ‘off the shelf’ alternatives ready built and saving millions. The video was posted of one of the meetings that was a study in SNP incompetence on here by a winger. What say you Alf?
Fishy Willie 5.00 pm
I would call it what it is, that being a partner in a Union, who only seven years ago decided to continue as a partner in that Union by way of a democratic vote. To call Scotland a colony, when Scotland pleaded to join the Union, to relieve of itself of a self imposed bankruptcy caused by an ill conceived attempt at Empire building of its own and to profit from the burgeoning British Empire, following which Scotland gained more per capita from imperialism and colonisation than any other country in the world, is quite possibly the most absurd piece of irony and self deception imaginable.
Scotland joined the Union voluntarily and can leave voluntarily, when someone presents a case for doing so and one which convinces a majority of Scots it would be advantageous to do so.
I have to say, however, when I read some of the comments here about how Scotland could and would dictate on matters of debt responsibility to the UK Government, then I really don’t expect that day to arrive anytime soon.
Quote..”And all roads to democratic change within the party seem to have been removed.”
Just don’t forget snp1 mind…
Thanks for your refreshingly honest post about the party that I’ve fought for for 57 years this year!
I’m so angry at Nicola Sturgeon and her cabal for bringing my party, the SNP, into disrepute. Sturgeon,s frightening obsession with Alex Salmond shown today in an interview on SKY TV shows her bitterness and hatred to a man who brought Scotland to 52% YES a couple of weeks before IndyRef in 2014.
Sturgeon employs the very man, Murray Foote who thought up the dastardly VOW in the Daily Record, which seemed to encourage people in the IndyRef to vote NO She even gives the Unionist press thousands of pounds but harangues Indy bloggers.
There is something far wrong with the leadership of the SNP. Time for Sturgeon to step down and take the rest of her cabal with her!
The Trolls are getting worried best ignored.
Picture the scene:
It’s 2023 and Scotland has just voted to leave the UK. Scotland’s negotiators tell the U.K. Government they are setting up their own currency and will not accept any responsibility for their share of any debt. U.K. Government responds by saying:
“Okay, fair enough, get back to us when you’re willing to be realistic but in the meantime you will have to get by on tax receipts raised in Scotland, lest you continue adding substantially to our existing debt. Now close the door on your way out please”
Then what?
Only a wanker says :-
“I see you, you are a Troll”.
It means you have lost the argument and have to resort to childish, meaningless name calling.
No one in particular, just saying.
Meanwhile in news elsewhere, as nationalists in Scotland pretend to understand and grapple with the issues around the actualité of independence, Nicola Sturgeon proves she is focused on the current COVID pandemic and a looming independence referendum, by immediately prioritising the “outlawing of gay conversion therapy”
I mean what on Earth constitutes “gay conversion therapy” exactly and who carries it out?
Fergus 6.06 pm
Impossible to disagree with you.
Le mec est branleur sans doute!
For those who think you have to vote SNP 1 for ALBA two gain more List seats, it is complete and utter bullshit.
Those pushing that shite are Sturgeon extremists who want to see Sturgeon and her Party returned to Government, no matter what she done in her past life.
I will definitely NOT be Voting SNP under any circumstances.
This explains it:-
Paul Cockshott says:
15 April, 2021 at 11:29 pm
There is a misaprehension that failure to vote SNP 1 will affect the number of Alba seats. It will not. The number of Alba seats depends only on the percentage of votes Alba gets on the list. Failure to vote SNP 1 just alters the number of SNP Tory or Labour constituency seats.
If Sturgeon loses to Sarwar then that does not affect Albas number of seats, provided Alba gets some 6% or more on the list. If the divisor for the SNP falls by 1 that for Labour rises by 1 in compensation.
The voting system is cleverly designed to give proportionality in a way that is independent of which parties win in the constituencies.
Looking forward to a new week and more election bribes from Nicola.
Onlooker says:
18 April, 2021 at 5:23 pm
Who’s the drunk woman harassing somebody (funny no sex is mentioned; guessing female) half her age? Not heard of this one. Guess Nicola hasn’t either. Having a vagina and there being no consequences for sexual transgressions in the Sexist Nightmare Party is clearly the hypocritical way to go these days.
Reply
link to archive.is
This was covered in various MSM articles around the 11th March although there wasn’t much detail about the female MP except that she denied it.
Seems unfair that Patrick Grady was named but she wasn’t.
My view of all these allegations of sexual harassment is that they are all very trivial. Being that nobody in the SNP spoke up when Mark MacDonald was fired for sending a text or when Alex Salmond was taken to court they deserve all they get.
In the above article Malcolm writes:
“Draconian punishment does still exist – ask Neale Hanvey – but appears quite arbitrary and unpredictable, seems to be a leadership prerogative and, conveniently, to bypass the SNP’s constitution and rules. Not surprisingly, elected members (with occasional honourable exceptions) fail to make eye contact and fail to speak out. About anything. The arbitrariness is important. How loyal to the leadership are you going to be if you know there are un-actioned misdemeanours lurking in your file?”
Earlier Dorothy Devine posted the following with regard to the above and nobody in the SNP speaking out
It seems to be the case that the only people speaking out are those who have left the SNP.
Could we see a lot of SNP politicians deflecting to Alba after the election and then speaking out?
I am in a position to corroborate in detail Mr Kerr’s account of the SNP senior officers ignoring formal complaints against a standing senior MSP but would wish to remain anonymous at this point in time.
Well at least Arch is not pretending to be a disillusioned SNP voter or and Alba member who cannot remember who ALEX suggested we should vote for like the other trolls on here..
He is just a God’s honest Unionist ignoramus who hasn’t a clue about what he is talking about and is regurgitating discredited untruths from 2014
Flower of Scotland 5.50pm which is why if it were my constituency, it would be sarwar 1 Alba 2. Just to get rid of that spiteful bitch who has shown Scotland her true unionist colours.