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Posted on April 19, 2021 by

So-called “puberty blockers” – the class of drugs that were used to “chemically castrate” computing pioneer Alan Turing for being homosexual (a crime in the UK in the 1950s), which is believed to have led to his suicide by cyanide poisoning at the age of 41 are extremely dangerous.

The most common one nowadays is Lupron, which is used as a treatment/alternative punishment on rapists and paedophiles to reduce their offending by destroying their sexual function. It has not been tested for use on “transgender” children and nobody knows how much permanent damage it could do (although the likely answer is “a lot”), which is why the High Court in England ruled last year that children under the age of 16 were not medically competent to consent to such treatment.

Scotland’s only gender clinic, the Sandyford, had to apologise just a few months ago for having concealed the very serious hazards posed by the drugs. But it has no plans to stop prescribing them to under-16s.

And the Scottish Government refuses to intervene in the matter.

But there ARE some substances it won’t allow your children to have.

So just to recap: as far as the Scottish Government is concerned it’s fine to feed your children powerful drugs normally used to castrate adult rapists – which will cause them health problems for their whole lives and probably sterilise them before they’re even old enough to have sex – but a couple of spoonfuls of custard or ice cream are out.

Be very clear on what you’re voting for next month, readers.

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El Mariachi

Well and truly through the looking glass.

The Cheshire Cat doesn’t appear to be smiling though.

Dinny Vote SNP

and have you seen her latest video on youtube, she/hur has totally lost the plot.. as you say, getting harder and harder to stomach an SNP Constituency vote, almost impossible.

David Ferguson

The kind of lunatocracy we are seeing unfold before our eyes cannot simply be an accident. Somebody must want this kind of madness to happen, have the clout to pull some pretty powerful strings in order to make it happen, and see some future benefit accruing to them once it has happened.

Charles Hodgson

They say there’s two sides to every story, if so, what’s the positive spin on this one?
Why won’t the SNP & Greens defend this policy in public, rather than just pretending it doesn’t exist, and quietly setting their Twitter Nazis on anyone who objects?
They know the general public would be horrified by this if there were a proper debate, hence their silence. Otherwise it would be all over their leaflets, right?
The media’s complicity is also to blame in enabling this nightmare.

Mighty S

Remember folks, women under 30 who suffer every four weeks from horrendous cramps, horrendous blood loss and hormonal mood swings which often wreck relationships and careers are routinely REFUSED hysterectomies – in case they change their minds and want to get pregnant.

If that kind of gate keeping is good enough for young women…then it damn well should be put in place for children who want puberty blockers.

Mighty S

You are correct Charles Hodgeson at 10.46am.

It’s national gas lighting, where our political parties and our MSM are implicit in keeping the effect of the Trans Gender Cult on the down-lo.

The Nazi’s did a similar thing with the ‘Jewish problem’.

How do we beat that kind of feckery..?

GMP

Has Nicola done any sort of maths on how this will make voters more/less likely to vote SNP. Does she really believe that the gains will outweigh the losses? Is there nobody brave enough to whisper in her ear, “I think you’ve got it wrong on this Nicola?” I despair.

fillofficer

she/her creating lots of unrest lately
like an unhinged bracket
SNP1 looking awfy unlikely from me

Jason Smoothpiece

Very bizarre. The more you think about it the more difficult it is to justify.

Strange bunch the SNP Government are, very strange.

The question has to be asked where would we be under English Labour or the English liberals.

Tories don’t seem to be fans of this nonsense they are more a send the children up chimneys and give them all a good spanking sort of crowd.

Downside with the Tories is they are evil and you will go to hell if you vote for them.

Willie

Maybe somebody should politically castrate the Murrels.

A very odd, but dangerous, couple altogether. And no doubt in time just how odd will emerge. They’re certainly not mom’s home cooking and apple pie.

Chemical castration at 11 years of age.

Absolutely foul, the nightmare unfolds from a freak show SNP and an even freakier Green side act.

Colin Alexander

“It may be helpful for me to explain that the role of the Scottish Government is to provide strategic direction, policies, frameworks and resources to NHS Boards in order that they can provide high quality healthcare services.

“The issues you have raised are entirely a matter for ( insert name of health board here ) and it would therefore not be appropriate for the Scottish Government to become involved.”

This is the cut and paste stock answer you get from the SNP Scottish Government if you complain about human rights abuses by a Scottish NHS Health Board.

It’s another way of saying: We don’t care. We’re not interested.

N. Holmes

The company that makes puberty blockers (Lupron) donates money to the Libdems and the Green Party, hence these parties’ keen promotion of transgenderist ideology. I wonder if the SNP are also receiving financial donations from these companies? Transgenderism is big business – think of the medical costs for a lifetime of synthetic hormones and surgery. Apparently puberty blockers are particularly expensive, hence the big push of the myth of the ‘transgender child’.

Ruby

“Be very clear on what you’re voting for next month, readers.”

I’m clear! I’m voting SNP 1 Alba 2

Elizabeth Hagan

Well it took them more than a year to admit they got it wrong over Care Homes. I wonder how long it will take them to admit they are wrong on this. God help our children.

Annie 621

Leaving heart and head at home and voting with principle and conscience..
ALBA2 on the list X

somerled

The same John Swinney who agreed that LGBT Youth help prepare school guidance for ‘trans’ and LGB teens & children which included recommended reading of Beyond Magenta a book about Transmen & transwomen. One chapter features a transwoman discussing having sex and oral with adult men when they were a six year old boy and enjoying it. This is in your childrens schools now.

When the Scottish Family Party tried to ask him about it at a public meeting, Swinney dismissed concerns and tried to hush up the questioner.

The SNP are helping paedophiles as well as encouraging children to be trans and stop their puberty. It is sick beyond belief. They ignore the football child abuse scandal particularly at Celtic as well as some other clubs.

They help to fund LGBT Youth whose founder James Rennie raped a baby boy and fantasised about raping and killing a downs syndrome child. Other members of LGBT Youth have been caught in sting operations trying to meet a 12 year old boy.

This is the party of Derek Mackay who groomed a 15 year old boy. How many more in the SNP are like that?

We know there are many misogynists such as Alyn Smith, former Director of LGBT Youth, John Nicolson, Stewart McDonald, as well as Handmaidens like Mhairi Black, Mhairi Hunter, Rhiannon Spear, Kirsty Blackman etc.

Nicola Sturgeon & Peter Murrell fail to act so must be fully aware of their party paedophile connections.

Every single SNP vote for Constituency or List is a vote for paedophiles, perverts, misogynists or their accomplices.

I say everyone voting for them knowing this, is also a danger to women and children. There can be no excuses, no wheesht for Indy. If you tolerate this, your children and grandchildren will be next. They are coming for them NOW.

Annie 621

Elizabeth Hagan,
Saying Sorry, (one year on) cuts it, she’ll get off with everything, as did Blair.
There is no care for our children.
We all need to be on the watch.

Sharny Dubs

She must be trying to throw the election, making the SNP1 vote unpalatable.

Fergus

IF YOU’RE AN “SNP WANNER”,
THEN YOU’RE A FUCKIN SPANNER!!!

DON’T VOTE SNP!!!

panda paws

Meanwhile a man in Canada has been jailed for 6 months for trying to protect his biological teenage daughter from making an irreversible decision.

link to archive.is

colin lees

place the snp on the subs benches for the next 5 yrs.its time to start all over again.i”ve noticed in my area a distinct lack of snp advertising boards & window stickers.even a house that is festooned with “yes” has shifted from snp to a big alba sign.i really hope the snp are removed from governing scotland.

manandboy

Scotland – the people that lived in darkness since 1707 have seen a great light.
Well, some of them have, while others like the SNP, have become part of the darkness itself.
It certainly appears that way. Let’s hope it’s not true.

McLaurin

Sent my postal vote off yesterday.

I was originally going to give SNP my first vote after Alba came on the scene. After much deliberation I spoilt my constituency ballot.

No going back for me now, and I’ll sleep much better knowing I’m not enabling she / her to fuck with children’s minds and bodies or treat women as second class citizens.

kapelmeister

They’re self-justified and they’re ancient
And they drive an ice cream ban

Fergus

The Rev has spelled it out, in easy to read bite size chunks.

Sturgeon and her Party have lost the plot.

If you vote SNP 1, then you are as guilty as Sturgeon in the implamentation of her Gender Bending, life changing policies.

Be it in your own head.

SHAME ON YOU.

DON’T BE AN SNP WANNER.

DON’T VOTE SNP.

GlenIslay

@Fergus
“If you vote SNP 1, then you are as guilty as Sturgeon in the implamentation of her Gender Bending, life changing policies.”

Psst. Not all SNP MSPs agree with it. Case in point, Mason, Forbes, McAlpine, among others. It doesn’t take much work to find out who is on the enemy list of the Twitler Triumvirs.

Lorna Campbell

I think we have gone well past the point when ‘being kind’ is any help to anyone. I think we have gone well past the point when a handful of body dysphoric people did require help and recognition and equality under the law and in civil society, to be replaced by a horde of paraphiliacs.

I think we have gone well past the point when we should have been asking: cui bono? I think we have reached the point when it is legitimate and democratic to start digging into just who is behind this stuff. Big Business and predatory capitalism, almost certainly, but that doesn’t explain it all.

The tsunami-like power of the trans lobby is backed by people. Apart from the gullible and suggestible and downright insane, who are the foot soldiers of this movement and utterly lacking in empathy for the women they are supposed to be, the massive numbers of paraphiliacs, the enablers of child abuse – and that is what it is – who are at the top? Who are they?

Who are the generals, those who direct the operations against basic tenets of humanity and human rights in the name of trans human rights (which they already have, incidentally)? Who are they and what are their motivations, if not purely monetary? Who are they, these people of influence and power who can drive forward this stuff, through parliaments and into the laws of the land?

We need to stop being kind and start looking at this as we would the invasion of the body snatchers. Foucault’s philosophy might be the enabling philosophy for transgenderism and queer theory, but he also warned of the consequences of having no prohibitions whatsoever, and who would pay the price at the end of the line – children, women, the disabled, the weak of all kinds, whose consent will be usurped and abused by the strong and selfish.

I would recommend the reading of Sheila Jeffey’s 2018 essay, entitled: “Enforcing Men’s Sexual Rights in International Human Rights Law”, with the very obvious proviso that she is not talking about all men, but the enablers of this stuff. It will give voice to the real reasons we are being subjected, all of us, to this hellish nightmare. Of the females who support this human rights abuse, what is there to say except that there will always be women who are willing to sacrifice their own sex and their children?

Ruby

What I’m not clear about is what the current law is vis a vis Gender recognition and what the main differences are between that in what is being proposed by the Greens & the SNP.

I’m assuming the Greens & the SNP want to follow the ‘The Yogyakarta Principles’ to the letter.

I would think no matter what age a person is taking heavy duty drugs ie testosterone & HRT etc over a very long period of time would be problematic not just for the person taking the drugs but also for the NHS.

Then there are the major operations ie hysterectomies, mastectomies & having your balls & penis cut off (sorry I don’t know the medical term for that.) nor do I know the term for having balls & penis attached to where you vagina used to be.

Surely in this day and age science could come up with a better solution to gender dysphoria than this barbaric treatment.

I have a great deal of sympathy for people suffering from gender dysphoria it must be pretty awful but surely there must be a better solution for them than this.

susanXX

Utter madness: formerly the preference of Christian fundamentalists, home schooling is looking more attractive. This pernicious nonsense is being promulgated in schools. Pure brainwashing of juveniles.

Astonished

I think the message is getting through.

If I was an SNP Msp I’d be awfy worried. Although they deserve all they are going to get.

Hopefully some will break ranks and point out they oppose the GRA and Humza bill. However by then I think it will be too late.

P.S. Anyone employed by newspapers or Tv – you’re a disgrace to humanity for being too cowardly to report on this subject.

Famous15

I might not have another five years. There are still lots of good people in the SNP though I am no linger one of them. Member ,that is,I still try to be a good person.

The plan is not for SNP to win outright but for Alba to hold the balance and so force the stable cleansing AND get us independence.

The SNP have to carry the constituency vote for the plan to work. If they do not carry the constituency,arithmetically the SNP default to winning the list and so edge Alba out.

AND Unionists hold the balance, almost said “balls”

So following Alba plan it must be SNP con Alba list!

Ruby

Rev. Stuart Campbell says:
19 April, 2021 at 11:07 am
” I’m clear! I’m voting SNP 1 Alba 2”

That’s HOW you’re voting. It’s not WHAT you’re voting FOR.

Reply

Do we ever really know what we are voting for?

Minekiller

Jason,

You don’t need the Tories to take you to hell. You’re already there.

Robert Hughes

” So just to recap: as far as the Scottish Government is concerned it’s fine to feed your children powerful drugs normally used to castrate adult rapists – which will cause them health problems for their whole lives and probably sterilise them before they’re even old enough to have sex – but a couple of spoonfuls of custard or ice cream are out. ”

Ditto issues like cannabis legislation . I know it may not be a top concern for most people in Scotland , though a sizeable % partake of the noble weed.

Here in Catalonia they have a totally sensible , adult policy of personal – legal , allowance , ” Cannabis Associations ” where you can buy a large range of ” wares ” in a relaxed atmosphere with no hassle .

Not however in ” Progressive ” Scotland , where you can still be criminalised for smoking a joint , even in your own home : the SNPG , like all previous ScotGovs , too terrified of tabloid and MSM faux-outrage to countenance such a simple , logical move as legalising cannabis .

Seems clear to me this civilised acceptance of a popular choice of recreational substance is one big reason why you rarely see drunken aggression or disturbance here , in the decade I’ve lived here I’ve seen no more than a couple of such incidents .

Socrates MacSporran

With the policies the current high heid yins in the SNP are pushing, it is getting harder for me to resolve to hold my nose and give them my constituency vote.

One of my daughters knows the SNP camdidate for the constituency, Elena Whitham. Never met the lady, but, she seems ok. So, at the moment, it is still SNP 1, ALBA 2.

But, much more rubbish from the top of the Party and that first vote could go awry.

Captain Yossarian

‘Why the ‘preparation’ of Scottish Government witnesses could be a crime’ – Alistair Bonnington, The Scotsman

Makes you wonder how this managed to evade the scutiny of our Lord Advocate and his Honest-John legal officers, doesn’t it?

Rogueslr

This condition is very rare, according to the
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5). So why are the Woke brigade so engaged? Gateway to allow age of consent changes?

The DSM-5 estimates that about 0.005% to 0.014% of people assigned male at birth and 0.002% to 0.003% of people assigned female at birth are diagnosable with gender dysphoria. According to Black’s Medical Dictionary, gender dysphoria “occurs in one in 30,000 male births and one in 100,000 female births.”

Ruby

For me to know exactly what I’m voting for I would have to start by reading all this

link to legislation.gov.uk

I lot of the existing law seems pretty problematic so even if I didn’t vote for SNP/Green the above would still be law.

katherine hamilton

I’m a bit less concerned about the politics in this than the medics. Who are these guys? They keep on coming like in Butch Cassidy. Relentless.
Should they not be asked to publish their evidence and research that justifies this. Is there a regulator we can contact? Who runs this Sandyhill place?
Maybe Jeanne Freeman could help, as she’s bailing out.

Daisy Walker

Remember folks, if the Britnats cannot stop Alba/Alex, then they have got to get Nicla to spike the SNP vote.

Anything to stop the Indy Supermajority.

Every time Nicla speaks, or give an interview, from now to 6th May.

Ask yourself – who is that aimed at? And is it designed to encourage people to vote SNP? or discourage them.

What you will see, is its aimed – not at possible No voters, its aimed at the Indy movement, and its designed to scunner them so much that they don’t turn out to vote, or if they do, they don’t vote SNP on the Constituency.

If you are an SNP Constituency Candidate, if you are genuine about wanting Indy for Scotland, and if you can appreciate the concerns people have regarding HCB, GRA – enough to put in on hold and ensure proper, fair debate…. then you’ve got 17 days to put some VERY CLEAR BLUE WATER between yourself and the current SNP Policy.

Or you will be out, and trust me when I say this, Scots have long memories, you won’t get back in again with a new script, once the weather turns fair for Indy.

Best find your moral compass, and your backbones now. Indy voters are watching, and at the moment you are sadly lacking.

OT – Hey Ruby – so glad to hear your voting for Alba. Best wishes.

somerled

i see a few people still saying they are voting for the
Sturgeons Nonce Peadophile party because Indy is all that matters to the beainwashed Sturgeon & Salmond cults. Scotland needs to be build some new prisons to house you all in.

I also think those voting SNP1 to supply Lupron to children should be made to take it themselves first.

A. Bruce

In New Zealand these puberty blockers are legal and are quoted by the Ministry of Health as being a safe and fully reversible medicine. Kids as young as 11 are being given this stuff.

Novio

16.000 pounds per year per patient.

Dreamer

if we don’t get SNP in again who do we get/vote for? and what would be the point to voting Alba (which I plan to do) if there’s not going to be a “yes” (supposedly) majority.

Prasad

Just when i had persuaded myself that my vote for SNP1 was a vote for Joanna Cherry and all those members who hate this crap and voted against it in the NEC.
In this video she appears to be saying the Keira Bell v Tavistock was the wrong verdict?

Mitchell

Famous

Stop spreading lies about this “you must vote SNP so ALBA can win more seats.

That’s a Sturgeon trick, your hero.

Read this folks,

Paul Cockshott says:
15 April, 2021 at 11:29 pm

There is a misaprehension that failure to vote SNP 1 will affect the number of Alba seats. It will not. The number of Alba seats depends only on the percentage of votes Alba gets on the list. Failure to vote SNP 1 just alters the number of SNP Tory or Labour constituency seats.

If Sturgeon loses to Sarwar then that does not affect Albas number of seats, provided Alba gets some 6% or more on the list. If the divisor for the SNP falls by 1 that for Labour rises by 1 in compensation.

The voting system is cleverly designed to give proportionality in a way that is independent of which parties win in the constituencies

Jeannie McCrimmon

Rev. Stuart Campbell says:
19 April, 2021 at 11:07 am
” I’m clear! I’m voting SNP 1 Alba 2”

That’s HOW you’re voting. It’s not WHAT you’re voting FOR.

I want independence & I’ve wrestled with voting SNP1, but I can’t, in good conscience, vote for a party that are sexual deviant. Sturgeon would use my vote to enact what’s closest to her heart – Identity politics. Really scunnered.

Willie

Just visited the Greater Glasgow and Clyde Health Board web site for the Sandyford clinic.which says it is ‘ the specialist Sexual Health Service for Greater Glasgow and Clyde ‘

First thing to notice about our new SS Health Service is that as a government service it is approved and carries the logo of ‘LGBT charter – Gold ‘ So from the outset folks are being told this is a public service mandated and approved by a Gay Rights campaign group. Yep that’s it, medical treatment approved by LGBT charter, not health authorities.

And of the services provided, in among abortion, is Gender Identity Service where gender is identified as how you feel whereas sex is how you were constructed – at least until the gender re-assigners get started on you.

All fabulous and incredible stuff. from the so called SEXUAL HEALTH SERVICE – charter gold. Well done Nicola and we look forward insanely to the diversion of resources to build another 18 similar such clinics.

A much better focus than on cancer waiting lists do I hear you say. Well if so, then vote Nicola and the SNP.

TheSNPLeftMe

I’m voting to STOP Unionists winning Constituencies or getting Regional MSPs.
I’m voting YES/YES

SNP/ALBA

I’m voting for Independence as soon as possible.

effijy

With Custard and Jelly being banned, could it be that Nicola is a Trifle Deaf to the serious dangers drugging Children.

Common sense and views shared by the vast majority of the public
and muted SNP members, appear to have been banned from discussion.

They must surely be running as low on stupidity as they are on Indy Ref 2 funds.

Perhaps we need to propose SNP Insanity 1 and Alba X.

Que lazy unionist churnalists to prepare vote loser headlines before the election.

Ros Curwood

Perhaps the drug should be put under very strict control so that it cannot be prescribed under normal conditions and does not enter the normal distribution channels. My concern is for the children secretly subjected to abuse, originally through family or friends of family who groom young children for sex and later, once they are broken-in, so to speak, introduce them to ‘holidays’ or ‘parties’ where they are subject to wider victimisation. Very few people know which adults are practising these abuses, or in what professions they can access children, surely Jimmy Saville taught us that. Keeping such children pre-pubescent would be a useful way to keep them viable, much as castration was used to keep young boys with beautiful pre-pubescent voices immature and singing soprano. Such drugs as these, available for use, really need to be extremely carefully controlled. The prevalence of sexual abuse of children is far greater than many parents would ever want to believe, and the effects are long-term and brutal. Adolescence is not the time for people to take such life-altering drugs, although many adolescents would absolutely disagree that they are not ready to take such decisions. We don’t deliberately allow adolescents to decide to lawfully absorb cannabis et al, and we should be willing to tackle the distribution of such opportunities for change until a person has completed the changes from child to adulthood. I think probably moths and butterflies may have evolution right, get into a chrysalis until its sorted, then emerge in all whatever glory is yours… But meanwhile, the drug and it’s use needs to be treated with nitro-glycerine caution and available only under the strictest of scrutiny, which Ms. Sturgeon seems currently unwilling to provide.

Mitchell

Famous, Ruby, Mia, Breeks, Al Stuart, AYRSHIRE ROB, and many more SNP WANNERS don’t give a shit what they inject into our children, or not give a shit about who enters our children’s changing rooms, but many others do.

We are willing to put Indy on hold until we clear this scum out of Scottish Politics for good.

All you SNP WANNERS, hang your heads in shame.

You are all complicit in the abuse of our people.

DON’T BE AN SNP WANNER.

DON’T VOTE SNP.

Fergus

Mitchell. 12.41

Excellent Post.

I like the “SNP WANNER”

If only I had thought of that LoL

Hatuey

Let them eat puberty blockers… the politicians, I mean, not the kids.

On a related note, Somerled points out: “I see a few people still saying they are voting for the Sturgeons Nonce Peadophile party because Indy is all that matters…”

Of course, Somerled, they aren’t getting Indy anyway. It’s all a rip-off, as you know.

There’s actually no good reason to vote SNP. Not one.

The only reason the SNP can afford to crap all over its core support (you) is because they have BBC Scotland providing all sorts of cover, allowing them to appeal to the unthinking masses.

Thus, the apparent popularity of the SNP is down to two things; hiding the truth of things like the Salmond stitch-up from the masses and, most importantly, the commitment to the section 30 process which equates to surrendering on independence.

Ruby

It’s very difficult to know exactly what you are voting for.

For example I haven’t much of a clue about puberty blockers and why anyone should be prescribed them.

I have a vague idea what puberty is. My understanding of puberty is that it starts around 11 and finishes around 16.

I can understand the reasoning behind giving 11 year olds puberty blockers if as the name suggests it stops puberty but of what benefit would they be to a 16 year old who has already gone through puberty? The scant bit of knowledge I have of puberty blockers is that they can’t reverse puberty.

Anyone know if any party that opposes prescribing puberty blockers to everyone whether they are 11 or 16?

If you can’t help me with that then I’m sticking with SNP 1 Alba 2.

Stuart MacKay

Lorna Campbell

I was reading in the The Atlantic Monthly (bourgeois, middle-class, wanker – yes, Bonnie Prince Bob, I know) about the decline of religiosity in the USA in the past two decades. The argument is that Wokeism is the new religion for a lot of people – based original sin, atonement, ex-communication and ritual. It’s why there can be no argument with it and you can’t reason with it and that’s no accident. Everything is based on the true path and faith.

So there does not need to be anybody behind it, though I’m pretty sure that the Pharma companies have looked the declining sperm rates in western countries, seen the effects of endocrine disruptors, run some numbers and concluded there are piles of money to be made “helping” others.

Fundamentalism is hard to beat wherever you find it. It’s just getting started here.

Republicofscotland

This is disgraceful, children do not have the proper mentality to agree to such drastic life changing measures, Sturgeon and her government surely must know this.

But then again under Sturgeons tenure the SNP/Scottish government have increasingly if not promoted allowed this to happen, and by the unanswered attacks on SNP/MSPs/MPs (women) who have spoken out about such matter, clearly see nothing wrong with destroying Scottish children’s futures and lives, for make no mistake, if this is allowed to continue in years to come there will be an explosion in mental health issues and suicides due to this.

Unsurprisingly the ultra genderwoowoo Greens see nothing wrong with this. We cannot stop the SNP from being voted in on May 6th, however we can remove as many Greens candidates as possible by voting for the ALBA party. By doing this we remove Sturgeons enablers, and the ALBA party if Sturgeon sought their approval on this would never agree, so lets remove the gender obsessed Greens and replace them with the ALBA party, for our women and children’s sakes.

Also the Lib/Dems have taken huge amounts of cash from the puberty blocking companies, so they’ll promote this not shoot it down, thankfully we can remove most of them on the list vote by also giving the ALBA party our list vote.

Lets get it done.

Tippy

I’ll take

J

N. Holmes at 10:58 am –

Wondered the same thing myself. Are the SNP getting backhanders from Big Pharma? Following the money is the only way for this madness to make sense.

Catherine

I sent my postal vote off this morning. I am so glad I spoiled my constituency paper. When these children face the inevitable awful consequences in a few months or years, I’ll know I didn’t vote to inflict this hell on them.

Ian Brotherhood

@Lorna Campbell (11.35) –

Thanks for that reference. Hadn’t read it before.

Here’s a link for others who haven’t –

link to drradfem.org

Robert Graham

Not a fan of the MSP or her party ,

Jenny Marra ( Labour) put a question to Nicola Sturgeon in Holyrood days after the English court ruling regarding these puberty blockers , she specifically asked the First Minister to intervene and stop this practice being carried out in a Glasgow Clinic ,because of the English court ruling.

Princess Nicola our dear First Minister gave some kind of garbled reply neither saying yes or no it was a non answer , I can’t remember the exact answer given but I remember the look on Marras face it was of total bewilderment almost like ” what kind of fkn answer was that I just heard ” excuse the french but I bet that’s what she was thinking ,

I wished Jenny Marra had pushed it further but I believe the Presiding Officer again Labour proceeded with the next question from a different MSP so the point was lost .

I wonder why the MSM are letting her off with this Deflection tactic she constantly uses to avoid real searching and uncomfortable questions it’s becoming a stage act now it’s automatically used .

Shocked

I see the lying criminal Nicola Sturgeon has started announcing her preferred pronouns in party political broadcasts… ties in nicely with this utter insanity.

Meanwhile the SNP1/Sturgeonite goons are still declaring their love for the party and stamping their approval on giving these dangerous drugs to children who don’t even know what they want for tea tonight let alone whether they want to be male or female. In my view these drugs should be banned for everyone under the age of 25 and even then you should have to undergo a detailed psychological assessment and various other safeguards before the treatment is allowed.

Anyway SNP1 crowd, keep voting for this and pat yourselves on the back once again.

Liz

My take on NS going full woke, is probably cos she realises her annointed one may not get voted in.
Not only is Angus R and his horrendous wife toxic, but more info is emerging over Sparling the drag queen by night, the ex campaign manager by day.

Sparling has been charged with taking cock shots of a man without his permission.
There is also some alleged dubiety about fund money, where have we heard that before, being ‘lost from an HIV charity run until recently by said drag queen

Sparling now works for Jennifer Dempsie, make of that what you will.

Anyway to get back to my point, if she goes, she’s bringing the house of cards down with her.
She is advertising herself, IMO, as available for some job with the other gender nutters.

Also today, picked up some Alba leaflets for delivery and met two ex SNP members that I used to campaign with for NS.
Other comments from people there, can’t believe I campaigned for that….

alan_b

Just for accuracy’s sake, Alan Turing would not have been given puberty blockers (strictly GnRH analogues) in the 1950s, as they were not developed until the 1970s/80s. What he would have got would have been oestrogen (cross-sex hormone). Also they are not typically used to castrate male rapists; they are typically used to treat hormone sensitive cancers, specifically prostate and breast.
The main point that starting children on these drugs is the first step on the road to infertility, lifelong drug treatment and mutilating surgery still stands.

Helen Yates

What a position to be in when you know the last thing you want to do is give the SNP a vote yet if we want to get Alba MSPs into Holyrood as well as at least having a chance of ever seeing independence I’m going to have to grit my teeth and vote SNP1 ALBA2.

Sturgeon will take these votes as an acceptance of her mad policies, I hope before the election the polls are looking more favourable than they are right now for Alba.

Robert Graham

A Freedom of Information request to Police Scotland confirms ” Male born Rape suspects are recorded as Female where requested ,regardless of legal status ”

Humza Yousaf the Justice Minister said in a question from Johann Lamont, A person born Male would have to have a full gender recognition certificate for that person to be recorded as being Female .

Both statements can’t be true because they are totally contradictory who should we believe eh mm Thinking I wonder who’s attempting to deceive , make up your own mind .

AWhiteLife

Sturgeon is a thing filled with jealousy & hatred, all of which she and she alone has chosen to be. She hates women, she hates straight women because most chose to share their life with men and raise families and she hates lesbian women because they chose to share their lives with women which is what she should be doing imo. Nobody forced her to live a lie, to pretend she is sharing her life with a husband, what’s the point of it? Self imposed rules on herself = her hatred on us. Never ever should a childless woman be permitted a leading role over future generations. Sturgeon is no better or worse than a paedophile or rapist. Would the tossers holding their nose for indi give their votes to the latter?

Scozzie

Latest from last week’s War on Women from Glinner (a few Scottish ones in there).

link to grahamlinehan.substack.com

But all is right in the world as NS has shared her pronouns, praise be to the Scottish Narcissist Party!!!!!

Shocked

@Helen Yates

Pat yourself in the back there for your strong endorsement of these insane policies. I hope some confused child in your family doesn’t get put on these drugs by some woke social worker who doesn’t even tell the parents.

SNP 1 to ruin kids lives

Robert Hughes

Mr Shocked . In this instance I agree with you – about age restrictions on dispensing PBs etc : don’t know if you’re just being deliberately obtuse or what but it has been stated innumerable times here that people are – maybe – going to vote SNP 1 , even if it’s morally repellent for them to do so , for one single reason …..to max the YES vote .

You may argue there can be no justification for doing that and people are clearly in something of a moral quandary over it – I’m relieved I personally don’t have to wrestle with it , not being eligible to vote . On the other hand , why should people who have campaigned for Independence for large parts of their lives allow idiots like Sturgeon to make the fulfilment of that aspiration become even more difficult , which it unquestionably will if the Unionists take Holyrood ?

As has also been stated here many times – a tactical vote for the SNP is emphatically NOT an endorsement of Sturgeon or her lunatic policies .

Sooner or later , one way or another , she’ll be gone and the sooner the better .

However , when she has gone we don’t want to find ourselves in the situation of Unionist control of our Parliament if it is at all possible to prevent such a dreadful scenario .

James Barr Gardner

Meantime more and more Scottish children (I in 4) are living in poverty. This has risen year in year out and set to rise further due to Brexit, all happening under Nicola Sturgeon’s tenure as First Minister of Scotland!

Wee Chid

Nicola Sturgeon – High priestess of the transpocalypse.

Wee Chid

AWhiteLife says:
19 April, 2021 at 1:31 pm
” Never ever should a childless woman be permitted a leading role over future generations.”

What about a childless man?

For some it isn’t through choice and not all childless people disregard the needs of children.

Scozzie

Out of curiosity…. has the media hit NS with the Jo Swinson question yet – ‘What is a woman?’
Seems only fair that NS is asked the same simple question as JS was at the last GE.

The voting public deserve to hear her definition. And if she doesn’t clearly define what a woman is, then every broadcaster needs to zone in on this during interviews with her. C,mon broadcasters do your job, ask the question.

AYRSHIRE ROB

Mr Shocked

Did Sarwar vote for or against GRA or HCB ?

So who are the goodies and who are the baddies in all this gender woo stuff. Cos I’ve no clue.

Yourself and those those other pseudonyms Kcor,Fergus ,Andy, Mitchel and the rest (cos they change daily) say the baddies are those who don’t vote a unionist in the form of Sarwar who does not want independence ! Also Sarwar at the first opportunity he gets will be off to Pakistan when his daddy finds him the right plum job.

So who are the goodies and who are the baddies? Many people have not got a clue anymore.
Spoil is the only option for folk who can’t follow the Alex line of SNP 1 .So bit of a catch 22.

Voting yoon is not an option on the first vote.

Shocked

@robert Hughes

There is no justification for voting SNP at all. The SNP are dead and buried and what we’ve got now is a criminal gang called the New SNP led by sturgeon and Murrell.

I can’t be bothered to list all the bad things sturgeon has done, in anycase the sturgeonites know exactly what she has done and they don’t care because they are in on it. Sturgeon and the rest are unfit for office and need to see a jail cell.

There will be no referendum in the next 5 years, for any number of reasons including that it would be lost. People need to wake the hell up and start again and put down their experiment with sturgeon as one of life’s lessons, never trust a liar.

Wee Chid

Lorna Campbell says:
19 April, 2021 at 11:35 am
” Of the females who support this human rights abuse, what is there to say except that there will always be women who are willing to sacrifice their own sex and their children?”

The handmaidens of the transpocalypse.

Shocked

@ayrshire rob

The baddies are the New SNP and rev Stu has been telling you why for months and years now… but you just can’t see it. Doesn’t fit your belief structure. Hey ho.

Ottomanboi

Big Pharma rules!
link to pdfdrive.com
Governments are now legit. drug dealers.
Careful whom you vote for.

AYRSHIRE ROB

You never answered the question. Is Sarwar a goodie or a baddie?

I know what NS is. Don’t fecking tell me like I’m some sort of imbecile.

Sarwar or any other yoon is not the answer to getting anywhere near independence either. 5 years, behave ,more like 10 when there’s feck all left and our assets are buried so deep in foreign corporate structures we won’t be able to function independently. Our time is now, follow the plan and set about removing them one by one. If Alex plan succeeds then you bet they’ll crumble. Vote yoons in and there’s no chance.

Thems the choices

Random Biologist

N. Holmes @ 10.58

Have you (or anyone else) got a link to confirmation about the Scottish Greens being funded by a “puberty blocker” manufacturer? I knew about the LibDems, and have suspected the Greens and SNP were fishing for the same, but evidence is important and would be a big help.

Shocked

@Ayrshire Rob

So you know what sturgeon is but you’re going to vote for anyway. Aye on then. Are you going to scrawl, “vote given with nose held” to hold her to account? Lol!

Taking the SNP leadership out will ensure that Holyrood returns to a coalition as it was always meant to be and it means the more extreme policies of the SNP/Greens (which you clearly support) won’t get through.

Indy ref 2 is dead, it wouldn’t be won, just as it wouldn’t have been won in the last 7 years, and it won’t be won until a clear case for top level efficient government is made. Voting SNP won’t achieve that.

Jack Murphy

Republicofscotland said at 12:51 pm:

“… We cannot stop the SNP from being voted in on May 6th, however we can remove as many Greens candidates as possible by voting for the ALBA party. By doing this we remove Sturgeons enablers,…”

I absolutely agree with that—the Greens are not an Independence Party—-they are currently the Enablers in the Scottish Parliament.

In May’s election I’ll be voting for two Parties:

The Scottish National Party on the Constituency Ballot Paper, reluctantly

AND the ALBA PARTY on the List Ballot Paper.

Breeks

Shocked says:
19 April, 2021 at 2:35 pm

“Taking the SNP leadership out will ensure that Holyrood returns to a coalition as it was always meant to be…”

Spoken like a true Unionist.

Meanwhile, vote SNP1 and ALBA2 to give Holyrood a pro-Indy supermajority it was never meant to get, and watch the desperate Unionist trolls going into meltdown as their Union circles the drain…

crazycat

@ Socrates MacSporran at 11.53

I also know Elena Whitham, and I would have said she is very much ok, and would make a good MSP.

Nevertheless, it bothers me that she is prepared to be a candidate standing on such a manifesto, and that she is not really answering awkward questions on twitter etc. (That of course is because she is basically ok, and doesn’t agree with the idiocy, but has put herself in a position where she dare not say so!)

I haven’t had a leaflet from her – only the generic one – so I don’t know if she’ll mention independence, or whether I can bring myself to vote for her.

Shocked

@breeks

Aye the sturgeonite Breeks stays down there on his knees. Unable to have a single original thought for himself. Completely devoid of self respect . Have you written to nicola yet to thank her for lying to you for 7 years and stealing your donation to the indy ref fund?

AYRSHIRE ROB

Shocked

Look sonny . I haven’t said I’d vote SNP in this election. If you bothered to read from the start of this charade I said am spoiling 1st vote. You’re other cronies don’t read either and can’t grasp it. Voting yoon for me is not an option ,tactically or otherwise.

If other folk here want to vote SNP that’s up to them, their vote.

I don’t believe you or those other fannies Kcor, Andy,Fergus Mitchel are Alba either- you’re full of shit.

I don’t agree with GRA or HCB or gender woo stuff so that’s another pack of crap you yoon lot try and instill in here. I ‘ve actually not seen any poster in over a year in here who has said they agree with it.You’re in the wrong forum.

Breeks

link to twitter.com

Check out the ratio of comments beneath this political suicide note.

TheSNPLeftMe

Shocked

When does your shift end?
I’m curious. Do you get a theme for the day or do you freelance on topics?

Breeks

Shocked says:
19 April, 2021 at 2:49 pm
@breeks

Aye the sturgeonite Breeks stays down there on his knees. Unable to have a single original thought for himself. Completely devoid of self respect . Have you written to nicola yet to thank her for lying to you for 7 years and stealing your donation to the indy ref fund?

Meltdown? A ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!. Can hear the sizzlin’ from here. Lol.

Colin Alexander

I think the tide is turning against Sturgeon and Murrell.

It’s bad having a warped colonial administrator govt: giving power to equally warped British Imperial parties would be self-destructive.

It would be handing complete control to the London puppet masters of the England/ Gt Britain Imperial parties: Tories, Labour, LibDems etc.

I think, given time, Alba can be a game changer.

I feel uneasy about it, and I can’t say for certain that I am doing the right thing, but:

I am backing:

SNP (constituency) Alba ( List).

(It’s votes for Scotland’s sovereignty, not for Sturgeon).

John Martini

Elite groups are fond of deviant srxual practices. One rule for them and another for us. St leadt that’s how it used to be.

They are now openly trying to turn us into deviants like them.

link to nytimes.com

STEVEN ELLIOTT

The SNP is a deal fkd but I want to lock the Brits out of parliament : SNP 1 / Alba 2

Shocked

Glad to see I’ve triggered the sturgeonites. Nice of them to show who agrees with shovelling dangerous drugs down the necks of confused children. Anything to keep the dear leader Nicola Sturgeon happy. They must go through a hell of a pairs of breeks when they wear the knees out with all the kneeling they do. At least I’ve got a clear conscience.

Robert Graham

o/t
I used to view Source Direct as a reasonable voice in the appraisal of the current state of the Indy movement , The recently received blurb could have been written by Princess Nicola herself for all I know might just well be true .

This constant attention and the attacks on Alex Salmond referring to his unsuitably for leadership of a political party or in fact his suitability to be allowed to walk around without people protecting anyone who comes within half a mile of him , is fkn disgusting and disgraceful.

As we all know Alex was framed set up and it turned out to be the biggest fk up in Scottish political history there has never been anything remotely close to this scandal that should have a Judge led public inquiry with no fkn redacted papers allowed and every witness swearing on oath under threat of serious jail time if found to be lying ,

Also memory loss will be regarded as knowledge or complicity in illegal actions so every witness would be advised that they better drop the I don’t remember shite it simply won’t wash that’s including princess fkn Nicola who sounded like she was suffering from early on set dementia .

Robert Hughes

Breeks says:
19 April, 2021 at 2:54 pm
link to twitter.com

” Check out the ratio of comments beneath this political suicide note. ”

I did , and , yes , the replies are very revealing : could this be the shortest suicide note in history ?

It could simply be the case that she’s knows she’s on the way out and all this garbage is really a self-advertisement for the attention of the global ” Gender ” mob , of which she clearly longs to be a part .

Easy to imagine her fantasies of being ” Nicola Sturgeon U.N Special Adviser on Gender Gobbledegook ” , strutting and fretting her hours upon the global stage , eventually being admitted to the pantheon on female emancipators such as Lucretia Borgia , Lady Macbeth , Kirsty Wark , Susan Calman et al

The triumph of mediocrity indeed .

Jack McArthur

In 1999/2000 Wendy Alexander pushed through in the Scottish Parliament(against the will of the people) a bill which removed the rule that homosexuality could not be promoted in school. A young Muslim family man in Glasgow formed a multi-faith group to protest against this which was made up of people of all faiths and no faiths.

It was not an attack on homosexuals, it wasn’t about bigotry, intolerance and all the other adjectives which are hurled about today. They simply did not want their children with unformed minds and hormones in flux to be subject to homosexual propaganda which was transparently obvious in their advocacy groups.

The big fear was that this would be the door opener for even worse attacks on children in the future.

Wendy Alexander pressed ahead and with the support of the MSP’s you now have what see unfolding today and with even worse to come.

Cath

Thank you for this. As a gender dysphoric person who’s learned to live with it without transition I’m horrified at what is being done to kids right now. GD itself is very rare (and nothing like it’s currently being characterised: it has little to do with gender stereotypes, for example and does not inevitably lead to suicide and misery). It’s also life long – rapid onset at puberty gender dysphoria is just FUCKING PUBERTY! It’s what every kid goes through as their body changes from child to adult, and it’s especially traumatising and difficult for girls and those who are gender non conforming.

Even as someone with life long, actual gender dysphoria, the idea of robbing kids of their ability to make a rational, informed choice about what might be the best course for them is criminal. I was lucky that, while teens and 20s were hell, I was able to research transition and weigh up the pros and cons as an adult, with understanding of myself, what I wanted from life more generally, my own sexuality, and with a more adult grasp of relationships and how the adult world works. I did this in libraries and by hanging out with and speaking to people in real life. Transition is not the only way, and puberty is critical to know what is.

There are a whole load of troubling health issues with Lupron beyond its use as a chemical castration and gay conversion drug. But even that latter alone should be enough. If I’d told any of my gay pals a few years ago they’d be actively campaigning for gay kids to be given the kind of drug Alan Turing was just before puberty they, quite rightly, wouldn’t have believed me. Yet here we are. How can supposedly decent and rational adults be doing this? I have a strange feeling some of the real screaming madness from the TRAs may be coming from “progressive” parents who went along with this and can’t face up to the reality of what they’ve done.

A Hamster

Brave New World meets 1984.

John Martini

The kind of thing that passes for being educated.

link to nytimes.com

John Martini

Sorry double post.

link to othersociologist.com

The kind of rubbish commonly taught in places of education.

Republicofscotland

O/T.

Keir Starmer chased out of a pub in Bath by a furious landlord, I wonder which pub it was.

Dorothy Devine

For ALBA anyone wanting to help the cause check your junk mail courtesy of microsoft in my case, for lots of information which I had no idea was available.

Ian

“Scotland – the people that lived in darkness since 1707 have seen a great light.”

Is this really the mirror universe ScotNats live in? Scotland strode the world throughout the 19th century and filled the British the political and administrative elites until the 20th century when devolution and the SNP fucked education enough to ensured that for better or for worse there would never again be a “Caledonian Mafia”, and reinvented us as a bleating, self-deranging, self-marginalising pseudominority. It’s as though, come 1800, the Prussians had spontaneously become self-pitying hermits.

Also what does this concern anyway? If this blog maintains that Scotland is now a constitutional dog’s breakfast, no semblance of or interest in separation of powers, and politically in the gutter too, with rape suspects able to choose their gender for prisons, and Turing pills for tots, fake history in schools etc — then what exactly are you trying to rescue Scotland FROM that the UK people collectively would not club together to solve?

Stop the nonsense, scrap Holyrood, and be the nation again.

Republicofscotland

Jack Murphy @2.44pm.

Yeah, I think the Greens give Sturgeon the numbers to push through unpopular gender policies. If we can reduce the Greens as much as possible on the list vote, then Sturgeon would need to do deals with other parties other than the Greens, and in the process she would find it far more difficult to push through genderwoowoo policies, policies that the Greens themselves might have proposed.

Removing the Greens is in my opinion a key issue.

Stephen

Who would vote for a party which proposes a policy like this?
It is quite clearly child abuse.
It is a serious assault to give an 11 year old child a drug which will radically alter his/her development and will lead to significant physical and psychological impairment.
The child is too young to be able to make an informed choice and the parents are not informed.
In this way Scotland will become like North Korea.

Voicing the SNP 1 Alba 2 mantra doesn’t cut it.
Such a mantra is an abnegation of a parent’s duty.

Republicofscotland

I should add that not only do the Greens cover Sturgeons back, they also vote with the SNP MSPs, on matters such as saving John Swinney’s lying neck on two occasions in VONC votes.

The key to isolating Sturgeon, I think is to remove the Greens, get them out on the list vote by voting for the ALBA party.

James Che.

Castrating the future of the Scottish population, hidden eugenics for population control. Mmm whose follows and pumps money into that tin hat bampot ideology.
Now that was a theory of bill gates, the same gentleman that has patents pending for vaccines of the world population,
And as a by line has been pumping money into geo engineering the sky to see if it has any effect on the sun,
Personally I would suggest that all these patents might have more effect on the produce of food supplies in the future of the world along with depopulation of humans.
Of corse he is seen photographed along side NS here on wings,
Yep we need to change our politics here in Scotland big time and a new Scottish party with ethics with large doses of humanity. We need control of Scotland, we will pretty quickly be rid of NS and her cabal if AS gets in,
The tories have not put a stop to this in the last six years nor have labour and greens, yet they are receiving Scottish tax payers money in wages for being in the Scottish Parliament just as The snp does.
Let’s shut the door behind them on their way out, by voting strategically for snp 1 alba 2, I believe AS will achieve more with sincerity and love of his country than all of them put together.

Republicofscotland

This is an excellent article from Iain Lawson, on just how skint the SNP really are all their elections promises are basically pie in the sky.

link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com

Shocked

@republicofscotland

The key is to vote sturgeon and the New SNP leadership cabal out, make her face justice as a private citizen with no bent Lord advocate and justice minister to protect her. 10-15 years in cornton vale will certainly focus her mind. However many votes go to the SNP make no difference to Alba as they aren’t the same party.

Stoker

Mighty S on 19 April, 2021 at 10:47 am:

“Remember folks, women under 30 who suffer every four weeks from horrendous cramps, horrendous blood loss and hormonal mood swings which often wreck relationships and careers are routinely REFUSED hysterectomies – in case they change their minds and want to get pregnant. If that kind of gate keeping is good enough for young women…then it damn well should be put in place for children who want puberty blockers.”

One of the best comments i have ever read during this campaign. Very well said! No superlatives good enough, Mighty S.
__________

Along similar lines, folks, note how Sturgeon is making all these decisions to promote issues not a single SNP candidate stood on. Issues that were supposedly “parked” to enable her to “focus on the pandemic.” None of them would be in a job if they did open up to the public on these matters. It often crosses my mind if Sturgeon’s seriously questionable actions towards *OUR* children would be any different if she actually had children of her own? I guess we will never know.

Mark Boyle

Was out leafletting today, and there seems to be a lot of folk out there completely fed up with the politicians we have up here, words to the effect of always finding money for obscure or niche causes and nothing for anything your average person might actually care about.

Only a small snapshot of the world outside, but Sarwar’s leaflet with his smug sneery face along with the Greens one saying “This election is all about the Climate Change Emergency!” had been shoved through the doors as the standard postal drop, and they were going down like a lead balloon with everyone.

Seems there’s plenty to play for, all for the price of an effort.

Onlooker

Hmmm. This might get interesting.

link to scotsman.com

susanXX

Yes Mark Boyle Alba is the only party to have leafletted me by hand, all the others were via the mail. Alba has my vote.

Ruby

Onlooker says:
19 April, 2021 at 4:27 pm
Hmmm. This might get interesting.

Reply
Looks interesting.

I’ve archived it.
link to archive.is

Cath

10-15 years in cornton vale will certainly focus her mind

In a cell with “Big Sharon” the sex offender who was called Kevin before “her” crime but it would now be an extra 18 months onto the sentence to point this out under Humza’s hate crime bill. That has overtones of Alan B’startd’s gallows to it…

Donald Raymond

I agree with your views on this, but can’t we concentrate on getting as many pro independence Alba members as possible right now?

Stoker

Folks, try not click on the direct link to The Hootsman, as posted by the BritNat twat at 4:27pm calling itself “Onlooker” (just one of its accounts). Only thick fuckwits like that fall for clickbait. The archived version by Ruby at 4:37pm deprives them of any benefit.

susanXX

Donald Raymond @ 4.45pm: i think the point is to get as many anti gender woowoo pro indy supporters, in order to stop this unscientific nonsense as well.

Lorna Campbell

Stuart Mackay: indeed, you are right. It is like a religion – a medieval one. However, let’s not forget the squllions that organized religion has made for itself or the probable sexual deviancy associated with the witch finders in every country in Europe. Even at the time, some thought that at least some of them were motivated by misogyny, sexual sadism and opportunism as much as by the purse they stood to gain for each witch. Same went for the Inquisition, where all three elements were present: greed; blatant misogyny, sexual sadism and opportunity; and religious fervour. This stuff is benefiting more than the foots soldiers – and that could be the state or powerful elements within, and of, the state.

wull

With apologies to anyone who may find any of the coming questions offensive. What is happening in front of our eyes (and noses) is potentially terrifying. It’s not a prize, but a nightmare. We have to open our eyes, and be extra-vigilant. As mentioned, here are the questions that spring to mind:

Is this a re-run of the Final Solution?

Have the high-heid-yins in the SNP finally put the ‘E’ before the ‘S’? Has the SNP transmogrified into the ESNP? And before anyone jumps to false conclusions, that ‘E’ is not for ‘English’, ‘England’ or ‘England’s’.

It is for ‘Extermination’.

As in the ‘Extermination of the Scottish Nation Party.’

Adolf Hitler could not understand how these nice pure-bred Aryans across the English Channel from him could oppose his oh-so-nice pro-Aryan politics. I am told that at one point he found out why and how this strange phenomenon had occurred. And he had quite a solution for it. Here’s what he discovered.

The pure-breds across the Channel, with their blue eyes and blonde hair, had been infiltrated, and that was what was causing the whole problem. Who by? Well – who else, but – by these awful Scots… And guess who he thought these terrible infiltrating all-destroying anti-Aryan Scots really were?

That’s right – you guessed it – the lost tribe of Israel!

And what was he going to do to them if he won? Well done – right again. If he had crossed the Channel, invaded, and taken over, he would have rid old England’s shores (by which he understood the whole of the UK) of that unwanted race once and for all.

He would have done his damnedest – and that was surely very damned indeed! – to make sure there was nothing left of us. Not in Scotland, not in Britain, not anywhere! The man had a penchant for ‘solutions’ that would be truly ‘final’, outcomes that could never be undone.

So, does that mean we can be glad that we avoided that bullet? Lucky we dodged it? Not really. Maybe it’s still whizzing towards us, if only we would wake from our slumbers, and see it.

Hasn’t he come back – that terrible, demonic wee man – to haunt us? And not just us, but along with us, the whole wide world? At the moment, we just happen to be a particularly juicy and enticing bridgehead for him. Much desired. Who’s winning the war now? Scotland too wee to matter, and so insignificant? To the contrary, we, and our country, are crucial. Far more important to others than we dare to imagine. By a long way.

Who’s winning the war now. Not the Second World one, no – except in the sense that it never ended. When evil seems licked for a moment, or even a while, it doesn’t die out – it just goes into hiding. Becomes less evident (to many, at least) but not less present, or less ready to pounce when opportunity arises. Somebody on a previous post, citing Mark Twain, reminded us that although history does not repeat itself, it does rhyme. So, beware! Vigilance is always required!

Hitler and his pals seem to have won – or are winning – the eugenics war. This is a front on which, I am told, he and Churchill did not substantially disagree. So, it’s hardly surprising.

It may b coming at us from a different angle, and many of us might not even notice it as it approaches, or even when it comes up our close or breaches our porch and comes flying straight into our living-room, but it is still substantially the same thing. Our cards may be seriously marked once again – far, far more than we imagine – and our number all but up.

Come in, all you pesky Scots – your time is up! Or else we’ll sink your rowing boat…

I seem to remember our own wee Nicola being asked about our disastrous birth rate, and what would she do about it. The quick answer to which was something like ‘No problem – we’ll just get more immigrants to come here’.

Aye, that’s richt – come here to help us? Or come here, to replace us?

Not quite ethnic cleansing, you might say, but hardly different in its effects. No need to kill them, these pesky Scots. There are other, more sophisticated ways of carrying out an extermination programme.

Call it a government-assisted, NHS-sponsored, self-chosen fertility programme – or, rather, infertility programme. Same difference. Suicide is just the same in its effects as any other kind of death, isn’t it? So, ‘suicide by infertility is OK then, isn’t it? Even if we don’t call it that out loud, in case some people get upset.

Back to our state-sponsored infertility – sorry, I meant to say ‘fertility’ – programme. How do we go about it? Make it available for free from the youngest possible age! Get it started before they are old enough to know what it really means, and what its outcomes will be! Promote it in the name of justice and human rights, and all good things that everyone obviously approves! How dare anyone speak against such a beneficial, philanthropic undertaking? Carry it out in opposition to all forms of discrimination. And in opposition to all opposition, which will just have to be crushed, under the jackboot (for want of any other, more subtle means).

Let the Scots die out.

Let them be replaced by other people.

And let them not complain. After all, they’ll be doing it voluntarily, of their own free will. And freedom is what it is all about. Isn’t it?

The ESNP fights in the cause of freedom, and always has done. ‘Free Scotland from the Scots!’ What a mighty slogan!

‘Infertility for Freedom!’ What a wonderful ESNP battle-cry!

‘Everything’s for free, With the ESNP’. What a fantastic rhyme – that will really rally the troops!

And by the way, anyone who opposes the new ‘Freedom from Children Act’ will be guilty-in-advance of a Hate Crime. They will be taken to court by the Director of Malicious Prosecutions. And they will be condemned to a minimum 77-year sentence by one of his minions in a Trial Without Jury which will be guaranteed to reach the right verdict, so that justice is done.

True, that’s not written in our SNP/ESNP manifesto, but it doesn’t have to be. Self-evident truths can be presumed, and taken for granted. They’re so obvious that, quite obviously (!), they don’t need to be spelled out in a manifesto. These things are simple justice. A respectable political Party like ours is always on the side of justice, and always opposed to injustice. The voters know that – so – obviously – we don’t have to tell them. It’s all self-evident, of itself.

‘Behold’ cried the great leader to thunderous applause at her official coronation, inaugurating her 1,000 year reign, ‘I make all things new!’ The applause gets still louder and greater, and the hands are held still higher towards the sky … ‘The new SNP (that is, our Sex Neutralisation Policies) of the ESNP (that is, our ‘Exterminate the Scottish Nation Party’) will Finally, – I said, FINALLY, and at long last – solve the GREAT PROBLEM, cross the WIDE stream, REALISE the long-cherished DREAM with a FINAL SOLUTION that will be DECISIVE, EVERLASTING, IRREFUTABLE and IRREVERSIBLE. So – my dear, demented, doomed and duped people – raise your crystall glasses and drink with me all nacht as we smash, smash smash, smash up a’ things in a blood-fest celebration … as we set all Scotland Free! Free for once and for always … Free, Free … Free from all Scots … Everlastingly FREE FROM all future generations…

And on and on she goes…! Nuremburg had nothing to match this…

‘Raise your glasses’, cries she, as the crescendo reaches fever-pitch, ‘And drink with me the blood of the last of the Scots! Even if there are but a hundred of them left, we will still put them all to the sword! And our stilleto-heeled bright red bayonets are ready to hand for the wounded among them! On! Charge! Smash! Break! Destroy! And never let them rise again! Here’s to the demise of the exterminated nation!

And then the slogans fill the air, as the torch-light procession, in awe of its great leader, Red Queen of the Scarlet Dressers, puts a torch to everything and lays waste all before it. The ‘its’ (as they call themselves) have ‘it’. The ‘he’s and she’s’ have gone, scattered to the wind, lying dead in the gutters of the Former Scotland, the one that is no more. With all its sovereign people slain and slaughtered, vanquished and undone, reduced to silence, dead ears forced to listen to the joyless victors’ off-tune incantations as they drone on and on with their meaningless

‘Vote for SNP – Sex Neuterisation Policies – and get to Exterminate the Scottish Nation, all ye Party-poopers! Vote SNP 1, ESNP 2!’

From SNP to ESNP? That certainly looks like the inevitable trajectory, the direction in which the juggernaut is currently heading. Almost as sure as night follows day: both votes SNP means ‘Get SNP on May 6th’ and then ‘Get ESNP on May 7th’. Or, at least, within a week, as soon as the votes are counted and the seats at Holyrood are quickly and greedily taken.

What a future! No thanks! No way! No Puritanism like the Secular Pure! No autocracy so autocratic as is theirs, and nothing so unfounded and inane! The abolition of sexual difference is the abolition of joy! And of friendship, good sense and good humour. What a dull place that would be. Who would want to live there? The SNP have sounded death-knell of everything, and of sanity itself.

Nevertheless, such insanity and sheer inanity contains within itself the seed of its – and their – own destruction. The crystall nachts and torchlight pseudo-triumphs of the 1930s already announced, unbeknown to the participants in these terrible things, the bunker of despair in which they would end themselves a few short years later, with everything in ruins around them.

We should not be afraid of such nonsense. We should not be cowed by it. We should not let the deluded terrorise us, or anyone else. No matter how madly and violently they seek to overrun reality, imposing their evil fantasies on everyone by force, they can’t finally win.

We should not let them persecute common sense or overturn simple decency. Whatever transient victories they might score in that regard will be short-lived. Common sense and decency will not be denied, and will overcome. But we should be vigilant. Very much so, because transient victories for evil illusions can still be massively damaging, for the short while they last.

We should oppose at every turn the virus in our midst. We should not let Scotland be razed and suffocated by the joyless agents of these destructive ideologies. Her sovereign people will not allow her to be extinguished or eliminated in these ways.

Skip_NC

Hi, I’m Skip_NC and my chosen pronouns are She, He, It, They, usually all at once.

I wish I could find the FOI answer discussed in the Scotsman column. The only one I could find is that Liz Lloyd’s legal fees amounted to about GBP6,000 plus VAT. I have always believed in following the money as that is what I do for a living. I’d be curious to see if the FOI broke down the invoices into dates rendered or even the dates services were rendered. The latter one is perhaps too much to hope for. does anyone have a link to the FOI answer (if that’s the correct terminology)?

wull

Talking of slogans, and granted not everyone here or elsewhere is going to agree on everything (even genuine indy supporters), how about this 6-word jingle, as a minimum:

‘Whatever you do, Vote Alba 2!’

Onlooker

‘Stoker says:
19 April, 2021 at 4:50 pm
Folks, try not click on the direct link to The Hootsman, as posted by the BritNat twat calling itself “Onlooker” (just one of its accounts).’

Go fuck yourself ya dick.

Captain Yossarian

“So the Procurator Fiscal’s office and Police Scotland are well aware of all the facts set out above. There must now be a police investigation. The result of that investigation could well be prosecutions”.

What I found surprising about the Scotsman article is that Scotgov employ 140no lawyers. That, together with ‘partnering law firms’, who probably account for another 100-plus, is the reason the SNP have a stranglehold on the legal trade in this country.

Justice for the man in the street has never been further away. The legal trade in Scotland disgraces all of us.

Astonished

Thanks for this Ruby : link to archive.is

It appears the wheels are coming aff sturgeon’s bogey.

Can lord woolfe keep this out of the courts ? Will police Scotland drag their heels again ? How much longer must we wait for trials regarding perverting the course of justice ?

And the genderwoowoo are very much on the back foot. No child should receive untested medicine to appease a faddish cult.

And shouldn’t nicola’s pronouns be ‘the inept’ or even ‘the untried’.

All in all – a good week.

Cadogan Enright

@Wull 5.07 inaccurate and will confuse non-activist voters

What about “for Indy to exist, put Alba X on the list”

And if anyone on here is listening to Alex Salmond it should be “the SNP’s deficiency gives X only in constituency – for Indy to exist put Alba X on the list”

Also got mail from Alba saying

Hello,

Just a reminder that there are a few items remaining in the online auction (which closes at 7 pm tonight) – please have a look and submit your bids soonest. link to airauctioneer.com

NEW ITEM

One additional item has been added this afternoon: Dinner for 4 people at the Champany Inn (Linlithgow), with Alex Salmond to take place later in the year, once feasible regarding restrictions – that item closes at 10 pm tonight, giving everyone an opportunity to bid. link to airauctioneer.com

Many thanks,

John D

Can’t for the life of me get why the UKers and Yoons posting here think their history of bestiality and necrophiliacs will draw folk away from voting SNP.
The PROBLEM is that the SNP are approaching the deviant levels of your UKer and Yoon parties , though they do not yet have near as many years experience.

Anton Decadent

Over in ROI the Minister for Children was a childless lesbian until she was caught fiddling her travel expenses and returned to USA to work on Joe Bidens campaign. In ROI she was replaced in the role of Minister of Children by a childless gay man who is a member of the Green Party and who has ties to Peter Tatchell and Stonewall.

Are people starting to notice a pattern?

John D

Did mention the UKer and Yoon parties regarding paedophilic activities as I believe most understood that to a given learned at many of their favoured schools.

Cadogan Enright

Or what about a bit of polysemy in Gaelic along the same lines?

“Cuir ‘X’ air SNP san roinn-phàrlamaid ach sàbhail Alba leis an liosta”

or is that a homonym?

Ruby

Oh dear Starmer saying ‘Could be a Yes to IndyRef2″
Sarwar not happy!

Landlord in Bath not happy!

Get out of my pub!
link to tinyurl.com

Ruby

How did Starmer get a hold of the landlord’s phone?

PacMan

Some of the posters on here and either trolling or as sanctimonious virtue signallers.

The Tories have openly declared just to vote Tory as their second vote. Unofficially it is Labour 1 Tory 2 but lets not kid ourselves, given how bad the Tories have been as the opposition, the reason for this is to stop the SNP getting a majority and the independence movement a super-majority. It’s fair to say that Tory voters are voting SNP 1 Tory 2.

They are doing this not because they are voting for the SNP or for any of their policies but because they Holyrood electoral system penalises parties who are successful on the constituency vote. They are voting SNP as part of tactical voting.

If the posters feel so strongly about the policies of the SNP then the best way to stop them is to deny them a majority and elect a real opposition party who will oppose these policies. The only way to do is that to vote SNP 1 Alba 2.

Republicofscotland

Re the article from the shitrag aka the Hootsman, has Bonnington just awoken from some kind of Rip Van Winkle torpor, the Rev highlighted that info a millennium ago.

Typical of BritNat so called journalist, slow and stupid.

PacMan

Anton Decadent says: 19 April, 2021 at 5:41 pm

Over in ROI the Minister for Children was a childless lesbian until she was caught fiddling her travel expenses and returned to USA to work on Joe Bidens campaign. In ROI she was replaced in the role of Minister of Children by a childless gay man who is a member of the Green Party and who has ties to Peter Tatchell and Stonewall.

Are people starting to notice a pattern?

Have you considered that it may be only childless gay people who are able to devote the time to these types of senior roles that require long working hours and little or no chance for a decent private life?

Maybe if adequate child care was provided and the ability to balance work and private lives that so many of us enjoy that possible heterosexual individuals with children will want to do these roles as well?

Republicofscotland

I see someone smashed a window at the branch office of the Lib/Dems in Scotland, a culprit was apprehended. I’m sure with the mega donations the Lib/Dems received from the puberty blocking companies, that they’ll be able to afford to replace the broken window with a more expensive stained glass one.

Angry Weegie

It certainly seems that gender politics is more important than independence politics to today’s SNP. Have they forgotten the lessons of 2017 or don’t they care
link to angryweegie.wordpress.com

Brian Doonthetoon

Yessers are legion – vote Alba for the region!

Stoker

See how deep it runs. No words required! link to twitter.com

John Main

@Wull at 19 April, 2021 at 4:56 pm

I reckon you’ve OD-ed.

Can’t be PBs, must be Magic Mushrooms.

24 hours in a darkened room with both thumbs in yer mooth and you’ll be grand.

Kcor

Rev. Stuart Campbell says,

“Be very clear on what you’re voting for next month, readers.”

The Ruby/Mia/AYRSHIRE ROB/Al-Stuart/Breeks Sturgeonist brigade says,

“Vote SNP 1/ ALBA 2 in the Glasgow Southside constituency”

Kcor/Andy/Fergus/Brian Doonthetoon say,

“Vote Labour 1 / ALBA 2 in the Glasgow Southside constituency to get Sturgeon out of parliament”.

To paraphrase Johann Lamont: the vast majority of Scots are not genetically programmed to make rational voting decisions.

No doubt all you clever folks voting SNP1 / ALBA2 are looking forward to more freely available puberty blockers and other such nice things in the next five years.

Don

@J 19 April, 2021 at 12:57 pm am –

“Wondered the same thing myself. Are the SNP getting backhanders from Big Pharma? Following the money is the only way for this madness to make sense.”

More likely getting backhanders from Yankee Defence Companies they pay better link to express.co.uk

Mia

“There is a misaprehension that failure to vote SNP 1 will affect the number of Alba seats”
Indeed there is and there should be.

“It will not”
Nonsense. Of course it will.
If Mr Salmond’s plan of SNP1 + ALBA2 worked and all yes supporters voted that way, it would mean that ALBA would waltz in clearing out a significant number of unionists from Holyrood and the toxic Greens with their genderwoowoo. That is our ideal scenario.

But that scenario is not the reality no matter how much we wish it to be. There are still a lot of yes supporters that will vote SNP in the list. Even if ALBA gets the list vote of 25% SNP voters, the SNP would still have huge numbers of votes in the list. I don’t think it would be out of place to predict that the SNP might still remain as the party with the highest numbers of list votes.

For ALBA to stand a chance at simultaneously getting list seats and increasing the yes majority, the SNP must be locked in the constituencies.

The unionists and Greens got lots of list seats last time, not because the percentage of their vote was high, but because the party that had the biggest numbers of list vote by far was too successful in the constituencies and therefore was locked out of the list seats. That party was the SNP.

ALBA will not be in the same boat as the SNP in terms of number of votes. It will be in the same boat as the unionists or even the Greens, with low numbers of votes by comparison to the SNP.

ALBA was designed to compete against the unionists
for the list seats, not against the SNP and the SNP list vote numbers. Therefore for this plan to work, the SNP needs to be locked again in the constituencies, leaving its huge list vote numbers out of the equation.

The aim of yes is to increase the yes presence in Holyrood, not to decrease it by letting in more unionists or by letting them to keep the seat numbers by swapping their list seats by constituency ones, which incidentally is what I think you are trying to do.

I believe you are deliberately attempting to mislead us to get us to vote for unionists in the constituency seats so they don’t lose presence in Holyrood. It is clear as day they are about to lose seats due to ALBA so now they are aiming for the constituency seats to stop being vanished from Holyrood.

The supermajority strategy is designed so the SNP is locked in the constituency while ALBA competes with the unionist for list seats, to increase the pro-yes majority. Your game however is to maintain the fight for the
seats in the list, but to move the unionist parties away from that fight to the security of the constituency seats
leaving ALBA and the SNP to compete for the same seats in the list. The competition between the SNP and ALBA for list seats will have a dual effect:

a. due to the list vote numbers the SNp is likely to get, it will reduce the number of seats Alba will be able to secure
b. if the SNP and AlBA are competing for the same seats, then there will be less seats for ALBA and therefore no chance of yes supermajority.

I think this dual result is precisely what you, Fergus, Kcor, Andy,,, Shocked and I would not be surprised if Sturgeon and her unionist handlers too are after. I think these names have been so relentlessly attempting to get yes supporters to not vote for the SNP on the constituency letting the door open for the unionists to secure alternative seats that would otherwise lose in numbers.

For as long as the SNP gets a good number of list votes, failure to vote SNP 1 will decrease the number of ALBA seats and you know this as well as I do. The only way it would not decrease is if ALBA was to get a number of votes in the list equivalent to the number of votes the SNP got in the list in 2016. But that is unrealistic.

In the unlikely scenario that Alba had such huge number of list votes and the unionists had taken the constituency ones, it would still be competing with the SNP for the list seats, kiboshing the pro indy supermajority.

Alba’s strategy is for the SNP to take the constituency seats and Alba the list seats from the unionists. The aim is not to take seats from the SNP reducing the yes majority so the unionist wnkrs can retain presence in Holyrood pontificating about how Scotland does not want independence.

“The number of Alba seats depends only on the percentage of votes Alba gets on the list”

As explained above this assertion is deliberately incomplete. The number of ALBA seats will depend on both, the percentage of votes it gets in the list AND the percentage of votes THE OTHER parties get in the list too, particularly the ones that do not win the constituency seats.

The thing your assertion does not mention at all is that if you move the unionists to the constituency seats then you will have the SNP and ALBA competing for the exact same list seats instead of taking the unionist seats, trashing the chance of a supermajority. I believe this is what the unionists are gunning for.

The only thing the unionists are good at is denying indyref and independence. They are no longer even a functional opposition. So why should we keep them in Holyrood?

If what you want is both, a yes supermajority and a real opposition to the SNP, then SnP1 + ALBA2 is the way to get it.

PacMan

Kcor/Fergus/Andy/Mitchel/Legion

Am I not getting a mentioned as a Sturgeonist brigade?

Kcor

Ruby/Mia/AYRSHIRE ROB/Al-Stuart/Breeks Sturgeonist brigade says:
19 April, 2021 at 12:45 pm

“It’s very difficult to know exactly what you are voting for.”

You know exactly what you are voting for, and you are doing your damnest to fool others into voting for what you want:

Sturgeon re-elected with an SNP-Green majority.

No independence referendum in the next five years.

Free access to trans perverts like Mridul Wadhwa to vulnerable women and girls anywhere.

Complete destruction of women’s rights.

Making all critical thinking a crime.

Abolition of juries so political opponents can be easily jailed on false rape and other charges.

Ruby/Mia/AYRSHIRE ROB/Al-Stuart/Breeks/Famous15 Sturgeonist brigade, you know exactly what you are voting for and you know exactly what you will get.

Ruby

SNP1 ALBA 2

Mia

“You know exactly what you are voting for”

If you vote for Sarwar, indeed you know what you are voting for:

a. totally meaningless opposition to toxic bills and policies
b. Cowardly abstentions when what you need is a robust vote against
c. visceral, undemocratic opposition to independence and indyref even if it is the democratic will of the people.

Do I want in Holyrood an undemocratic anti indy party that does not even know or want how to act as an opposition?

No. At least a seat for the SNP will count as a pro indy seat in the eyes of the world.

PacMan

Kcor/Fergus/Andy/Mitchel/Legion

Care to look into your crystal ball and give me next weeks lottery numbers?

Lothianlad

There are an awful lot of sick cowardly bastards at the top of the SNP SG!

Brian Doonthetoon

Hi Mia.

There are quite a number of us that see reducing the SNP number of constituency seats, in the constituencies where we want rid of the individuals, could be beneficial for the Pro-Indy campaign.

It could cause a minority SNP government, looking for support from another party.

The Greens have betrayed their Pro-Indy credentials in the last few days so, really, no Yessers should be voting Green – either in the constituencies or regions.

We tactically get rid of five SNP constituency MSPs, vote for Alba – not Green – in the regional votes and we could see a political/constitutional game-changer on 7th May.

BTW: saw my first Alba ‘garden board’ in the wild today, on a wall just up Blackness Road from the Glamis Road oval (it, normally, would be a ‘circle’ in Dundee but it’s the wrong shape).

See what I’ve typed previously about “the 5” targets, at the links at this link:-

link to wingsoverscotland.com

Ian Brotherhood

Another good article about this madness.

link to karadansky.com

Fergus

IF YOU’RE AN “SNP WANNER”
THEN YOU’RE A FUCKIN SPANNER!!!

DON’T VOTE SNP!!!

James Che.

And of corse the tories could be calling one big bluff when they say they will vote snp in the hope we think snp are covered and guaranteed to get in, so therefore independence voters don’t have to bother voting for them,
Could anyone see tories voting for a supposed Independence Party, not in a million years, they would be feart just in case real independence grassroots took over the snp again.
Their calling a bluff that is full of hot air.

Fergus

Mitchell says: 18 April, 2021 at 10:14 pm

Mia/Breeks

I can also post neverending meaningless shite. LoL

“Everybody seems to listen to audiobooks these days. As a recent marketing campaign put it, “Listening is the new reading.”1 What was once a niche entertainment has grown into a billion-dollar industry thanks to the emergence of digital media, smartphones, and an online marketplace that makes it simple to download just about any title you want. Listening to a book is not the hassle it once was. (Take it from someone who remembers fumbling with cassette tapes while trying to steer a car.) The mainstreaming of audiobooks has been one of the twenty-first-century publishing industry’s greatest success stories.

That success would have come as no surprise to the audiobook’s pioneers, who had always imagined a future in which audiences would read books with their ears instead of their eyes. Fans have been predicting the audiobook’s ascendance ever since it became possible to record books. But when exactly was that? The audiobook’s origins can be traced back further than most people realize. Some historians credit Books on Tape, Recorded Books, and other mail-order libraries that arose in the 1970s to entertain commuters stuck in traffic. Others point toward the 1950s, when Caedmon Records released an album featuring the Welsh poet Dylan Thomas reading his beloved tale “A Child’s Christmas in Wales.” Still others link the audiobook’s origins to discs made by the Library of Congress in 1934 for people who were blind and partially sighted. But the audiobook’s origins predate the twentieth century. In fact, the audiobook turns out to be as old as sound-recording technology itself.

PHONOGRAPHIC BOOKS
There was no way to preserve sounds before the nineteenth century. Speeches, songs, and soliloquies all vanished moments after leaving the lips. That situation changed in 1877, when Thomas Edison began working on a machine that could mechanically reproduce the human voice. Edison’s team successfully assembled a device on which Edison recorded “Mary Had a Little Lamb,” a nursery rhyme that would become the first words ever spoken by the phonograph.2 Depending on how you define the term, Edison’s inaugural recording of verse might be considered the world’s first audiobook.

Thomas Edison reciting “Mary Had a Little Lamb” on 12 August 1927 to celebrate the fiftieth anniversary of the invention of the phonograph. The original 1877 recording was no longer extant. Courtesy National Park Service.

The spoken word featured prominently at public demonstrations of Edison’s tinfoil phonograph throughout the United States and Europe. Although no recordings were made of these exhibitions, press reports enable us to reconstruct what took place.3 A typical demonstration began with an explanation of how the machine worked, followed by displays of recording and playback. The program opened with a greeting from the phonograph (“The phonograph presents its compliments to the audience”) before moving on to recitations, songs, music, and random noises. Members of the audience were sometimes given a chance to speak into the phonograph before leaving with torn-off slips from the tinfoil recording sheet as souvenirs.

“New Jersey.—Professor Edison exhibiting the phonograph to visitors, at his laboratory, Menlo Park.” From Frank Leslie’s Illustrated Newspaper, 30 March 1878.
A witness to one of the initial phonograph demonstrations posed the question on every reader’s mind: “Are we to have a new kind of books?”4 Unfortunately, that wish was years ahead of the technology. There was little hope of recording an entire novel in 1878 since tinfoil cylinders could only play for a few minutes and were extremely difficult to reproduce.5 The first recordings that might be thought of as literary were not made until a decade later, when Edison’s improved phonograph made it possible to record longer works. Alfred Tennyson and Robert Browning were both recorded reading their poems, but full-length books would have to wait until the 1930s.6 It would be a mistake, however, to think that the phonograph’s limitations in its own time constrained speculation about its future. Even if the inaugural recordings consisted of nursery rhymes and snippets of verse, the advent of sound-recording technology made it possible to conceive of recorded books fifty years in advance of one actually being made.

Wax cylinder recording of Alfred Tennyson reading “The Charge of the Light Brigade” in 1890.

BOTTLED AUTHORS
Long before the phonograph’s invention, there was already a rich tradition of speculating about how new forms of technology would affect reading habits. The fantasy of a mechanical talking book predated sound-recording technology by at least two centuries. Cyrano de Bergerac’s Histoire comique en voyage dans la lune, a seventeenth-century tale about a rocket trip to the moon, includes an eyewitness report of a “Book made wholly for the Ears and not the Eyes” that hangs from the auditor’s ears like a pair of pendants.7
The press began to speculate about the impact sound recording would have on the book even before the phonograph’s completion. The New York Times used an unlikely analogy to explain the invention to an audience unfamiliar with how the technology worked: the preservation of speech on tinfoil was comparable to that of wine by the bottle. When it comes to sound, the paper explained, the phonograph “bottles it up” for future use. The editors went on to make the following tongue-in-cheek prediction about the phonograph’s impact on the novel:

Why should we print a speech when it can be bottled, and why should we learn to read when, if some skillful elocutionist merely repeats one of “George Eliot’s” novels aloud in the presence of a phonograph, we can subsequently listen to it without taking the slightest trouble? We shall be able to buy Dickens and Thackeray by the single bottle or by the dozen, and rural families can lay in a hogshead of “Timothy Titcomb” every Fall for consumption during the Winter. Instead of libraries filled with combustible books, we shall have vast storehouses of bottled authors, and though students in college may be required to learn the use of books, just as they now learn the dead languages, they will not be expected to make any practical use of the study.8

From books to bottles: it was an audacious claim to make about a machine that had yet to utter a word. The humor magazine Punch responded to the conceit with a cartoon showing a cellar full of bottled opera to be uncorked on special occasions.

Cellar full of bottled music. From Punch’s Almanack for 1878, 14 December 1877.
It has often been pointed out that Edison failed to grasp the phonograph’s entertainment potential owing to his interest in developing it as a dictation device for use by businesses. But Edison did in fact identify other uses for it: playing music, writing letters, teaching elocution, recording courtroom testimony, and making clocks that announced the time. He also proposed using the machine to make “phonographic books”:

Books may be read by the charitably-inclined professional reader, or by such readers especially employed for that purpose, and the record of [each] book used in the asylums of the blind, hospitals, the sick-chamber, or even with great profit and amusement by the lady or gentleman whose eyes and hands may be otherwise employed; or, again, because of the greater enjoyment to be had from a book when read by an elocutionist than when read by the average reader.9

One advantage to using the phonograph as a reading machine was its accessibility to a blind readership; tactile alphabets for people with vision impairments required training, whereas anyone could listen to a book, including the many blind people who could not read braille. But it is important to note that Edison never imagined recorded books to be for blind people alone. From the outset, the hypothetical audience for recorded books reached beyond those with disabilities to “the average reader” lacking either the time, or perhaps the inclination, to hold a book. Crucially, Edison’s statement is among the first made by the recorded book industry to characterize reading as a secondary activity intended to accompany other pursuits.

DICKENS ON TINFOIL
Efforts to promote the phonograph as an improved version of the book express how conventional the initial attempts were to figure out what to do with the machine. Despite calls for a new kind of book, the books proposed in these accounts adhered closely to traditional formats. Most people used the phonograph to record existing print genres (novels, lectures, sermons, letters, advertisements) instead of new forms of speech devised specifically for it. As Marshall McLuhan famously pointed out, new media take their content from the media they replace.10 In fact, few attempts were made to produce an art form distinct from print until the following century. Far more enticing was the prospect of listening to established authors like Dickens.
Dickens’s reputation as a performer made him a popular choice with which to illustrate the phonograph’s value as a reading machine. Discussions of sound recording frequently cited Dickens’s name despite the inconvenient fact that the phonograph was incapable of recording his novels since the standard cylinder had a maximum playing time of a little over three minutes. (This did not dissuade Edison from memorably boasting in 1888 that he could record Nicholas Nickleby in its entirety on four eight-inch cylinders.)11 The author was nonetheless a shrewd choice since the name of Dickens was shorthand for the novel itself. Plus, he was among the most theatrical of novelists, famed for his reading tours in the United States and Britain.12 At a time when the technical limitations of the phonograph prevented the recitation of more than a few lines of verse, it made sense to pitch the conversation toward the ideal rather than the disappointing reality.

Charles Dickens photographed by Herbert Watkins, St. Martin’s Hall, London, 29 April 1858. The year marked the beginning of Dickens’s fame as a public reader of his own works.
Edison intended to capitalize on the demand for recorded books by opening a publishing house in New York. But first it was necessary to domesticate the phonograph if it was ever to become a household consumer good. A key marketing strategy through which the Edison Speaking Phonograph Company ushered in the new era of recorded sound was by linking it to older forms of entertainment that had preceded the phonograph. The use of nostalgia to promote the technology diverted attention away from the potential threat it posed to traditions of reading aloud. This is apparent in a Daily Graphic cartoon portraying Edison’s idealized domestic scene alongside the caption, “The phonograph at home reading out a novel.” The scene is reminiscent of the archetypal Victorian image of family entertainment, with the crucial substitution of the phonograph for family members, who no longer needed to serve as “human audiobooks” now that a machine could do the reading for them.13

“The phonograph at home reading out a novel.” Detail from illustration accompanying “The Papa of the Phonograph,” Daily Graphic (New York), 2 April 1878.
Edison’s publishing house never managed to record a novel. Still, the press looked ahead to an environment unimpeded by technological limitations. Nearly everyone who responded to Edison’s overambitious claims foresaw a time when it would be viable to record entire books—even Dickens’s. In the words of one starry-eyed journalist, “The library of the future will be one which any man can carry under his arm.”14 Not a bad prediction for 1878.

THE METAL AUTOMATIC BOOK OF THE FUTURE
The long gap between the phonograph’s debut and the first literary recordings of note did little to dampen people’s optimism. An eccentric essay written in 1883 by University of Minnesota professor Evert Nymanover, for instance, called for printed books to be replaced by “whispering machines” lodged in people’s hats. Such contraptions would allow them to continue reading while doing other activities: “Everyone while sitting in the cars, walking in the streets, reclining on beds and sofas, could be perpetually listening to Adam Smith’s moral sentiments, Draper’s intellectual development, etc., and yet be at the same time talking, resting, working at a carpenter’s bench, dressing, promenading, practicing finger-exercises on the piano, or other instruments, and so forth.”15 Nymanover’s vision reveals lofty expectations for a format that has since come to be associated with distraction. What might sound perfectly reasonable to a modern audience acquainted with portable listening devices such as iPods and smartphones, however, sounded far-fetched to Nymanover’s contemporaries.
Nothing more was heard about whispering machines until 1885, when R. Balmer of the Bibliothèque Nationale de France published an essay in defense of them. While acknowledging the original proposal’s eccentricity, Balmer defended its core idea: the development of a portable mechanism for reading aloud. Phonographs could be used to imprint entire books on miniature metal cylinders embedded inside an automaton, he insisted, then inserted into a person’s hat and connected to the ear by wires. The tiny reading machine represented what he called the “metal automatic book of the future.”16 Nearly a century ahead of the Walkman, the portable device promised to entertain urban commuters who were unable to read in crowded public spaces. One magazine observed that “a man might take a walk along a busy street, and have the book of the season read to him.”17

Nymanover’s device represented the first of a sequence of hypothetical reading machines proposed over the next quarter century by disability activists, engineers, futurists, utopianists, and, of course, novelists. Utopian writers paid especially close attention to mechanized forms of reading since it was difficult to imagine an ideal society in which books did not play a prominent role. Edward Bellamy was one such writer to rethink the book in the context of new sound-recording technologies. Bellamy’s best-known work, Looking Backward: 2000–1887, a science fiction novel about the transformation of the United States into a socialist utopia, has oddly little to say about the book. But he returned to the topic a year later in the short story “With the Eyes Shut,” a radical rethinking of the book written after the author attended a phonograph demonstration. For Bellamy, the phonograph raised the question: Why go through the trouble of sounding out the words on the page when you could hear them read aloud?

“With the Eyes Shut” reflects Bellamy’s interest in harnessing technology to relieve the burdens of labor at a time when the United States was becoming an increasingly industrialized nation.18 Like its predecessor, the framed narrative begins with a man who wakes up in a futuristic society transformed by technology. That society’s citizens have little need to read for themselves since they are read to by an “indispensable,” Bellamy’s term for the portable phonographic device used to play spoken word recordings of everything from letters to literature.19 (The name suggests that our dependency on technology was apparent even in its utopian representations.) The premise captures the enthusiasm readers felt toward the ease of listening to recorded books. In other words, a crucial part of their appeal was the very passivity for which audiobooks are criticized today.

We see this in the story’s first scene, which involves an unnamed narrator who listens to “phonographed books” using a “two-pronged ear-trumpet” plugged into the railway carriage. Here’s how Bellamy’s narrator describes the pleasures of reading with the eyes shut:

A good story is highly entertaining even when we have to get at it by the roundabout means of spelling out the signs that stand for the words, and imagining them uttered, and then imagining what they would mean if uttered. What then shall be said of the delight of sitting at one’s ease, with closed eyes, listening to the same story poured into one’s ears in the strong, sweet, musical tones of a perfect mistress of the art of story-telling, and of the expression and excitation by means of the voice of every emotion?20

Whereas modern critics have singled out “seduction” as the principal hazard of listening to recorded books, Bellamy welcomed being seduced. And yet the passage’s erotic language does anticipate the way the technology would be received over the next century by intimating the potential danger in having a book read to you.21 The most enduring critique of the recorded book turned out to be less that it is an ineffective way of delivering the text than that it is too powerful.

THE END OF BOOKS?
Utopian fantasies of a mechanical reading machine reflect the era’s optimism toward uninterrupted scientific progress. In this context, the printed book’s evolution into a new format was welcomed along with other technological advances meant to improve people’s quality of life. The fin-de-siècle French futurists Octave Uzanne and Albert Robida followed Bellamy’s lead in imagining how new media would remake the book. In 1894, their tale “The End of Books” posed a conventional science fiction question: What would society look like a hundred years from now? A group of intellectuals who meet in London to address the question foresee the replacement of the book as a bound object made of paper and ink by the machinery of a post-Gutenberg age. As the narrator concludes, “Phonography will probably be the destruction of printing.”22
In the tale’s imagined future, books continue to circulate through audiovisual media. The reading machine envisioned by Uzanne and Robida consists of a miniature phonograph strapped to a person’s shoulder and connected to the ears by a set of flexible tubes—an uncanny harbinger of the modern-day Walkman. By means of wide distribution channels and a variety of phonographic machinery, the spoken word was to reach a mass audience via free listening stations in public squares, vending machines selling Dickens recordings for a nickel, and even a Pullman Circulating Library for the entertainment of railway passengers. Modern-day troubadours could promote their phonographic books by taking them from one apartment building to the next, where residents could listen through elongated tubes stretching up to their windowsills. And, more than a century before the existence of streaming service providers, consumers could be seen subscribing to a bibliothèque universelle phonographique (“universal phonographic library”) capable of playing novels, poetry, history, and philosophy in the comfort of one’s home.

From Octave Uzanne and Albert Robida, “La Fin des livres,” in Contes pour les bibliophiles (Paris: Quantin, 1895). Courtesy Houghton Library, Harvard University.
We are now living in the sonic future imagined by the audiobook pioneers of the nineteenth century. Digital media have made recorded books even more accessible than Uzanne and his contemporaries predicted. Whereas Edison once dreamed of being able to play an entire Dickens novel, today’s “universal phonographic library” fits on a smartphone. Writers who used the advent of sound-recording technology as an opportunity to speculate about what form books might take in the future were right to insist that recorded ones were inevitable. But predictions of “the end of books” were premature since printed books hardly disappeared after audiobooks became a reality. People continue to read books on paper or on screens, even though digital audiobooks are now a viable alternative. In fact, some readers still view the format with skepticism, calling into question whether listening to books requires the same degree of concentration, imagination, and effort as reading them—in short, whether “listening” counts as “reading” at all.23 Technological progress by itself is not enough to win over book lovers. As we now know, the audiobook revolution of the twentieth and twenty-first centuries would also require a change in attitudes toward what it means to read a book in the first place.

Ruby

:-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-)

SNP1 ALBA 2

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Red

Stuart – thank you for highlighting this. It’s disturbing how many people just don’t want to know what’s being done to children, or refuse to acknowledge what’s going on out of cowardice.

This is one of those things we can’t afford to turn a blind eye to, because the rights of children to grow up in dignity and health should be non-negotiable. Should be, but aren’t.

The early days of a better nation, eh?

I was reading one of Graham Linehan’s articles recently, about the personal and professional price he’s paid for speaking out on this. He was asked if he had considered giving in to the transcult to spare himself the bother. Glinner’s reply is important:

What Helen doesn’t understand is there’s no forgiveness from these activists. Once you’ve committed some sin, that’s you done forever.

There’s no middle ground on “transgender” “rights”. No reasonable accommodation. Can’t go to Gender Jonestown and negotiate a truce.

Brian Doonthetoon

Hi Fergus at 7:44 pm

You pasted and typed,
“I can also post neverending meaningless shite. LoL”

What was your point, and motive, of pasting another Winger’s comment?

Conehead Brain freeze?

PacMan

Brian Doonthetoon says: 19 April, 2021 at 7:55 pm

Hi Fergus at 7:44 pm

You pasted and typed,
“I can also post neverending meaningless shite. LoL”

What was your point, and motive, of pasting another Winger’s comment?

Conehead Brain freeze?

Kcor/Fergus/Andy/Mitchel/Shocked etc are most probably AI chatroom bots.

Have fun with them 🙂

Cath

What Helen doesn’t understand is there’s no forgiveness from these activists. Once you’ve committed some sin, that’s you done forever.

You also can’t ever win with them. Once you give an inch they will take a mile. You can pander to them as much as you want, but the second you stop you’re in their crosshairs and probably even more despised than those who stood up to them. These people are not idealists campaigning for something worthwhile: they are power-hungry, vicious, spiteful people who want to take others down. Much like Sturgeon’s inner circle, come to think of it. Like any cult, all they want is you to be totally subservient to their demands.

This isn’t anything like the normal fight for equalities – women’s rights, legalising being gay, gay marriage, disability rights. All of these were, and sadly remain, critical rights to fight for. This current “trans rights” crap is bugger all to do with gender dysphoria or transsexualism. It’s using and abusing those and DSDs for a campaign of bullying and intimidation. Maybe now Sturgeon’s gone along with them she’s just too scared to stop? Or maybe they’re all she has left. Who knows? But she demeans herself with every video pandering to them.

Fergus

Brian Toon

After what I read about what you and your partner in crime got up to, I would not have had the brass neck to show my face on here ever again.

But I have principles, unlike you.

Scroll past me in the future please.

Fergus

The SNP and their supporters are a right vipers nest of Crooks.

All well suited to each other.

Andy Ellis

@Brian Doonthetoon

I fear Mia and those who agree with her approach will never accept that there is a rational alternative to SNP 1 / ALBA 2. The idea that a supermajority – even one in which the Alba MSPs don’t hold the balance of power – will somehow magically produce results, because *reasons*.

Theirs is essentially a faith based position, every bit as misguided in its own way as the Sturgeonista Loyal’s assurances that the Brirish nationalists will just give us #indyref2 because *mandate*, and/or somehow change their spots post May election and co-operate with Alba or others to do what…? The kind of thing they’ve spent the past 6 years doing nothing about….?

In reality Alba only have a shot at achieving what we want them to achieve if they hold the balance of power. It’s pretty unlikely that’s going to happen if the SNP sweep the boards in constituencies, the Greens pick up seats and Alba win a handful.

It almost seems to me that some of the SNP 1 / ALBA 2 zealots are about as keen on actually achieving progress on independence as Sturgeon and her posse. Why might that be? I mean, I recognise it’s mebbe a long shot to engineer a result which means Alba hold the balance, but isn’t it at least worth a shot? If it doesn’t work, then it doesn’t work….but in the end we’re no worse off for trying.

Aren’t we supposed to be pushing for something a bit more…ambitious than that?

Fergus

The Rev has spelled it out, in easy to read bite size chunks.

Sturgeon and her Party have lost the plot.

If you vote SNP 1, then you are as guilty as Sturgeon in the implamentation of her Gender Bending, life changing policies.

Be it in your own head.

SHAME ON YOU

DON’T BE AN SNP WANNER.

DON’T VOTE SNP.

Stephen

These crazy policies need to be ditched and for this to happen the SNP need to be given a bloody nose at the election.

If the SNP emerge intact there is no way that a majority of the Scottish electorate will vote for independence thereby giving full powers to Sturgeon and her crew.

Fergus

Mitchell says:19 April, 2021 at 12:29 pm

Famous

Stop spreading lies about this “you must vote SNP so ALBA can win more seats.

That’s a Sturgeon trick, your hero.

Read this folks.

Paul Cockshott says:
15 April, 2021 at 11:29 pm

There is a misaprehension that failure to vote SNP 1 will affect the number of Alba seats. It will not. The number of Alba seats depends only on the percentage of votes Alba gets on the list. Failure to vote SNP 1 just alters the number of SNP Tory or Labour constituency seats.

If Sturgeon loses to Sarwar then that does not affect Albas number of seats, provided Alba gets some 6% or more on the list. If the divisor for the SNP falls by 1 that for Labour rises by 1 in compensation.

The voting system is cleverly designed to give proportionality in a way that is independent of which parties win in the constituencies

Nally Anders

Look Fergus…gonny just wrap it!
Pathetic.

Terry

How to teach the SNP a lesson and still Max the yes.

Select a few niche seats – you know them. Humza and co. They lose so 2021 returns slightly less snp than 2016. Meanwhile Alba picks up seats. Potential mutiny in the ranks at snp. Let’s face it the ref funds, the court of session coming up etc. Snp politicos demand new leadership or they’re defecting to Alba. This pressurising the ditching of the murrells and major change in the party.

Could work? Also if Angus loses massively that’s another message they could be sent.

Nally Anders

Well said Margaret Lynch.
link to thetimes.co.uk

Ruby

Stephen says:
19 April, 2021 at 8:19 pm
These crazy policies need to be ditched and for this to happen the SNP need to be given a bloody nose at the election.

Reply

Which crazy policies are you referring to? Which party has promised to ditch these crazy policies that you are referring to.

Stephen

Which crazy policies
/
Well why not address the one Stu has introduced in this thread.

Republicofscotland

The hypocrite Pete Wishart saying we must ditch Westminster, this from a man who longed to be Speaker of the House, and has spent decades troughing in the HoC what a twisted bar steward.

link to thenational.scot

Ruby

Stephen says:
19 April, 2021 at 8:27 pm
Which crazy policies
/
Well why not address the one Stu has introduced in this thread.

Reply

I did that earlier I was just wondering which ones you were referring to.

Brian Doonthetoon

Fergus/Clyde/Ronald Fraser/Ross Kilbride/Glasgow racer/Lawrence/Craig Jones/D Thompson/Samuel/Frank Ness/George Rutherford/ – gie us a break!

We’ve all got you sussed! You’re wasting your time here. Maybe try commenting here:-

link to weegingerdug.wordpress.com

Stephen

Ruby
I mentioned it earlier
/
So did I. You’ll see my opinion further up the thread.

Ruby

Andy Ellis says:
19 April, 2021 at 8:13 pm

I fear Mia and those who agree with her approach will never accept that there is a rational alternative to SNP 1 / ALBA 2.

Reply

Interesting! Tell me more about this rational alternative.

Fergus

Brian Toon

Weeshit for Buckets

LoL

You’ve actually got a load of strangers names stored on your hard drive?

You SNP WANNERS ARE A WEIRD SHOWER.

akenaton

Re SNP 1 ALBA 2, how the hell do we convince a majority of Scots to vote for Independence in a referendum shackled to “The Murrells”?
Don’t you think all the Unionist Parties in Scotland and England will think it’s Christmas?
We are even more divided than the Tories and Labour and need to expose what the SNP really stand for….. Power at any cost and LOSING the referendum. Simples!……Yes you are!

A. Bruce

There is a really good discussion with Neale Hanvey on Barrhead Boy’s “Through a Scottish Prism ” Give it a listen.

Robert Galloway

Every time I go on Wings over Scotland(Over Bath?) The attacks are against the Scottish Government,the S.N.P Sturgeon,No attacks on London Parties, WHY??? Are you for freedom or subservience. A better future for Scotland,or retreating into the dark ages of 300 years. To enjoy Brexit.The corruption of a Westminster Dictatorship,offshore accounts, and NO N.H.S.

wee monkey

Republicofscotland says:
19 April, 2021 at 4:02 pm
Quote:-
“This is an excellent article from Iain Lawson, on just how skint the SNP really are all their elections promises are basically pie in the sky.

link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
+
Social Carers still waiting their £500 [minus tax] too.

—–

“Sturgeons Nonce Peadophile party” sounds like an accurate Self Identifier…

Wee Willie

Scotland is in one hell of a political mess. When things get as bad as they now are there is only one sensible course of action. Take the brave step and ditch the SNP. Let a sort of chaos reign whilst a new beginning emerges. It might be the Alba Party or it might not. If Sturgeon is put back in power then forget independence.

Scot Finlayson

If She/Her and the Green Goblin can`t form a majority could She/Her get she/her`s arse booted from the FM chair,

if Alba can help form a pro Indy majority could the booting out of She/Her,who won`t work with Alba,be the best way forward for everyone,

She/Her really needs stood down for the sake of the woman and children of Scotland.

Ruby

These puberty blockers have been used in the UK since 1980 it was only last year that England decided not to prescribe them to children under 16.

Patrick Jones

Is this what you are looking for Fergus?

The reason I’m interested in this is because I used to throw money into those Wings Buckets.

Very similar to Sturgeon taking the indyRef2 Money.

Juan says: 17 April, 2021 at 11:24 pm

Brian Toon

I found out what the “one to you,,,one to me” means.

It is alleged that you and your partner in crime (not Sturgeon), used to collect all the money at the Wings Stall at big rallies.

It is also alleged that you and some guy called Anderson, don’t know his second name, used to take these buckets full of money back to his place and you two shared out 50/50. Allegedly.

Many hundreds of pounds were collected at these rallies and there were multiple events, so for a few years you two would globe trot round Scotland making a wee fortune.

Even holidays abroad,,,all done in the name of Wings Over Scotland.

Perra Chancers.

Allegedly.

Bigger crooks than Murrell and Sturgeon.

So now we all know.

No wonder your sidekick is too embarrassed to show his face on here.

And from what I have heard, you should do like wise.

What a brass neck you have sunshine.

Now I’ll leave you alone with your memories.

Do me a favour and scroll past me as well Mr Bucket, or whatever

Andy Ellis

@Ruby 8.42 pm

It’s been pretty widely discussed on here surely? Surgically remove a selected handful of Sturgeonista Loyal. Abstaining / spoling ballots might work for some who won’t or can’t vote tactically, or voting for candidates like Bonnie Prince Bob in Edinburgh Central as I intend to do.

@Robert Galloway 8.51 pm

Because we don’t expect anything else or anything better from British nationalist parties, and because they aren’t going to win in May’s elections. The pro-independence side are going to win, but the reason the current SNP and Scottish Greens are getting pelters is both because many of us no longer believe they are committed to achieving independence in any realistic timescale, nor do we trust them with respect to their political agendas, their positions on GRA/HCB and in the SNPs case their recent behaviour.

The SNP or SNP/Greens are’t going to deliver you from the dangers you cite, because they’re not going to deliver a referendum, still less actual independence without being forced by a new force like Alba, or there being a “palace revolution” within the party which overthrows Sturgeon and her unsavoury cabal.

Beaker

@Robert Galloway says:
19 April, 2021 at 8:51 pm
“Every time I go on Wings over Scotland(Over Bath?) The attacks are against the Scottish Government,the S.N.P Sturgeon,No attacks on London Parties, WHY??? Are you for freedom or subservience.”

Because the problems caused are down to the SNP, not Westminster. The Scottish Government has a lot of responsibilities, and therefore it is perfectly acceptable to criticise them.

The old “oh it’s Westminster’s fault”, or “look at England” excuses are wearing so thin they are transparent. People are getting fed up with excuses.

Now the hospitality sector is facing an impossible situation. Everyone has to be 1 metre apart in their premises. How the hell is that going to work?

Mist001

Even if Scotland doesn’t gain independence, the country and its people still have a future and you have to take that into consideration when you’re casting your vote.

It’s all very well Alex Salmond saying SNP1 ALBA2, he’s clearly working to his own agenda since he stated recently at the Holyrood Enquiry that Scotland hasn’t failed but its leadership has. Him telling people to vote SNP1 is him telling people to vote for a failed leadership. His words, not mine.

Ask yourself what THAT’S all about.

If anyone votes SNP in the forthcoming election, then they are complicit in present and future policies conjured up by the SNP and as illustrated on this board, they’re not things to look forward to. People on this board who vote SNP will have no right whatsoever to come on here and moan and complain about the Murrells or SNP ever again.

I live in France and have three overseas voting rights remaining and I’m not 100% sure if the Holyrood elections are included in that and whether I’ll be able to vote but if I am, I will not be voting SNP because I have a conscience and I have integrity.

Things that the Murrels and the SNP are clearly lacking.

Patrick Jones

The Yes Movement is split into two camps now.

Those with morals

And those without morals.

It’s take your pick time.

With morals and you wouldn’t touch the SNP with a barge pole.

Without morals and you are the kind who would sell their granny to the Devil, just as long as you can have a Referendum.

Ruby

Andy Ellis says:
19 April, 2021 at 9:04 pm
@Ruby 8.42 pm

It’s been pretty widely discussed on here surely? Surgically remove a selected handful of Sturgeonista Loyal. Abstaining / spoling ballots might work for some who won’t or can’t vote tactically, or voting for candidates like Bonnie Prince Bob in Edinburgh Central as I intend to do.

Reply

Is that it? You got me all excited about nothing.

willie

Just read that Police Scotland have confirmed their gender policy that a male rapist would be logged as a female if he tells the police that he identifies as a woman.

Welcome to wacky Scotland and to the undermining of what previously had been considered a horrible crime. Not so horrible when it can be so easily recorded as being a woman on woman crime.

A bit like a paedophile saying he thought he was fourteen and the twelve year old girl eighteen and Plod says that’s all right then. The girls the paedophile then.

Its all got me beat. I just want Sturgeon and her freak show clique out.

Liz g

Brian Doonthetoon 8.35
Ignore the Twat o’ many names Brian those that matter don’t believe him and those that believe him don’t matter… they never really have it’s why they’re angry 🙂

Quinie frae Angus

@Patrick Jones, 9.01. pm

I don’t post on here very often, but by Jove I am moved to do so tonight, because you’re talking sh*te, mate.

The people to whom you are referring are as honest as the day is long and are well-known and loved, of long-standing, to many Wingers on this site….including everyone involved with the stall and those who visit it.

You are a liar, a stirrer, and a bullsh*tter, Mr Jones.

Ian Brotherhood

Hope this link works okay…

Must-read from Graham Linehan.

link to grahamlinehan.substack.com

Mia

“We tactically get rid of five SNP constituency MSPs, vote for Alba – not Green – in the regional votes and we could see a political/constitutional game-changer on 7th May”

You will not hear me advocating for the Greens ever again, neither in the constituency nor in the list. As far as I am concerned they are politically toxic, even more genderwoowoo and anti women than Sturgeon. I wasn’t impressed by Wightman’s performance in the committee either. I would be happy to see them all losing their seats to ALBA.

Tempting as chucking Sturgeon, Swinney, Sommerville, Yousaf and specially Robertson is, in all honesty I fail to see how losing 5 pro indy seats will work to our advantage. All I can see is that to get rid of those 5 you have to preserve 5 unionist seats that should have been shown the exit door from our parliament and replaced with yes seats. I am extremely uncomfortable with the idea of helping unionists to get in, which you know will use their seats against you, and then claim that it will help independence. Sorry, I do not see how that is a good move when what we want is the world to see we desperately want independence.

For some time now, I see this election as Yes vs No to independence, therefore the number of yes seats is all what I can think about.

If you are going to give Sturgeon, Swinney, etc the boot, and in order to do that you are prepared to lose yes seats, at the very least you need to bring in someone better, something that is going to help you to progress independence because if you don’t, what have you won? I fail to see how someone like Sarwar, a satellite of Starmer – the biggest establishment tool Labour has ever seen, a staunch unionist and a coward that rather abstains and enables than voting against toxic policies, is going to be a better option for the yes movement than Sturgeon, when useless as she is, at the very list is perceived as pro indy (There is no way Sturgeon will last the 5 years. I give here 2 tops).

I don’t see either how someone like Murdo Fraser is going to be a better option than Swinney either. Again, Swinney may be useless too but he would be seen as a pro indy seat. I don’t see at all how losing yes seats and handing them to staunch unionists can advance our cause.

I have not seen anything to suggest that the list vote for the SNP is going to decrease to the levels the cons, labour or libdems had in 2016. As far as I can see, that is the kind of levels you would need for the list vote of the SNP to not affect ALBA’s chances. And that is without taking into account that if you have the SNP fighting Alba for list seats, means you have already handed over to unionists 5 pro indy constituency seats for free.

For as long as the SNP list vote remains disproportionally high in the list, unless you lock it in the constituency, it is going to compete with ALBA, leaving Alba, with more modest numbers of votes, at a big disadvantage.

de brus

Patrick Jones says:
19 April, 2021 at 9:09 pm
The Yes Movement is split into two camps now.

Those with morals

And those without morals.

That statement is beyond laughable in it’s naivety. Go back under a rock, the grown ups are talking.

de brus


Fergus says:
19 April, 2021 at 8:15 pm
The Rev has spelled it out, in easy to read bite size chunks.

Sturgeon and her Party have lost the plot.

If you vote SNP 1, then you are as guilty as Sturgeon in the implamentation of her Gender Bending, life changing policies.

Be it in your own head.

SHAME ON YOU

DON’T BE AN SNP WANNER.

DON’T VOTE SNP.

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Alternatively:

Someone online has just posted a bunch of stuff. Now, go do your own homework, and come to a decision on who to vote for based on your own findings, and your own personal choice on what’s best for the country. Don’t ever let anyone bully you into voting for someone you’re not comfortable with, or not voting for someone you have faith in.

Breeks

Mia says:
19 April, 2021 at 7:02 pm

“… I don’t think it would be out of place to predict that the SNP might still remain as the party with the highest numbers of list votes…”

That’s correct Mia, but if the SNP dominates in the Constituency seats, most of those ‘many’ votes for SNP in List seats are going to be wasted. They will be votes for seats the SNP cannot win. Turning those SNP votes into seats will be an uphill struggle because of the deHonte system trying to limit a runaway majority.

But ALBA will not be penalised for doing well in Constituency Seats, because it isn’t on the Constitutional ballot, so a vote for Alba will be much more efficient turning List votes into seats.

It’s not a question of List Seats going to either SNP or ALBA in direct competition. You don’t want the SNP to be in the room or running for List seats at all, – and it won’t be if the SNP stays dominant in the Constituency seats.

IF the SNP does find itself needing List seats, then it means the SNP has already lost Constituency seats to Unionist Parties, not ALBA, and is thus competing beside ALBA for List seats, not splitting the Indy vote for List seats, but squeezing ALBA by having less nett seats for Indy.

The stronger the SNP vote in the Constituency Seats, the less chance it has picking up List seats, and that helps ALBA in a straight fight with Unionist List votes. Your SNP1 is just as important as your ALBA2 if you want that magic supermajority. Not voting SNP1 forfeits Constituency seats to Unionists, with zero chance for ALBA to take up the slack.

What is REALLY needed is for Sturgeon to shut her whiny gob for five minutes and allow the adults in the SNP (those who are NOT having mental breakdowns), and ALBA Candidates to sit down and have a little mutual trust in each other, cooperate for 24 hours to give Scotland a fighting chance of freedom.

The fact Sturgeon’s going mental with her cringey wee pronouns carry on is just ridiculous. She’s taken the Office of Scottish First Minister and put it on a level with other “world leaders” like Eddie Izzard. God knows what is going on inside her head, but it isn’t Scottish Independence. She’s on a Kamikaze mission to wreck the SNP, and if she isn’t in the pocket of the Unionists then she must be in the pocket of some big Pharma Company. But never mind. She is political toast.

I said it last night and I’ll say it again. Listen in SNP voters.

In 2015, there was lots of debate about whether YES should politicise itself and become a List Party to augment the SNP vote and win big in Holyrood.

Well, That is exactly what has now happened. The spirit of YES 2015 now IS a List Party, it’s led by Alex Salmond, it’s pledged to augment the SNP majority in Holyrood, and it’s in perfect position to squeeze out the Unionists.

This ISN’T Alex Salmond on a ‘paybacks a bitch’ ego trip. The ALBA Part is actually that genius idea from 2015 becoming flesh, and urgently needing the backing and confidence of the whole Independence majority.

For chrissake SNP voters, take your head out your fat backside and get with the programme. After 6 years of Sturgeon’s mind numbing stalemate, YES has just come storming up the blind side, wrong footed everybody, and it’s now making a blistering sprint for the line. You should be on your feet, cheering til your lungs burst, and bringing the bloody house down.

SNP1 ALBA2 Victory for Scotland!

Ian Brotherhood

@Breeks –

And for the second time this very evening I do declare “Hear, hear!”

Mia

“I fear Mia and those who agree with her approach will never accept that there is a rational alternative to SNP 1 / ALBA 2”

That “rational” alternative involves handing over to staunch unionist parties 5 constituency seats for free. I am afraid I see nothing rational in that when we are desperate to be seen as wanting independence. I see that as throwing stones against our own roof, as a gamble that has more chances to go the wrong way than to favour.

There is only one seat where I would be comfortable not voting SNP1 and that is Edinburgh Central. I am not sure how much pro indy Bonnie Prince Bob is because in his video he said something about seeking sovereignty for Holyrood rather than independence for Scotland, so I am not quite sure in what side of the indy coin he is. But the Edinburgh Central was not a yes seat, so I would not be crying about losing it. My problem is if Robertson enters via the list because of the high SNP list vote. Because if he does, that would totally defeat the purpose and would end up costing ALBA one seat.

Liz g

Well said Breeks

Andy Ellis

@Ruby 9.11 pm

Not sure what else you were expecting to be honest….?

Perhaps you’re just easily excited! 🙂

In the end it’s pretty simple: either Alba is in a position to hold the balance of power, or we accept 5 more years of Sturgeon and Harvie sitting on their arses doing SFA about indy and advancing their dystopian, misogynistic, men’s rights agenda.

Andy Ellis

@Mia 9.37 pm

Riddle me this Mia, would you prefer:

a) Alba to hold the balance of power in a Holyrood with a pro indy majority but minus Robertson, Sturgeon, Swinney, Yousaf and Sommerville; OR

b) A pro-indy supermajority with an SNP or SNP/Green administration but too few Alba MSPs to force any change?

Effigy

Have you seen on the news yet another English Hospital found out
to have killed many by neglect including a new born who should never
have been in any danger.

This time in Kent and it can join the thousands lost in Mid-Staffordshire and
Shrewsbury.

This will be the last time you hear of this as several years ago a seriously ill
baby caught a bug from pigeon dropping from a badly designed new ventilation system.
Can you really blame Scot Gov or the NHS for an Architect’s error?

Vote Unionist and get the thousands of needless deaths they are responsible for on your doorstep.

Mark Boyle

@susanXX says: 19 April, 2021 at 4:31 pm

Yes Mark Boyle Alba is the only party to have leafletted me by hand, all the others were via the mail. Alba has my vote.

To clarify, I was NOT leafletting for ALBA, but for Andy Doig (standing under the Scotia Future banner – but it is essentially Andy Doig everyone’s voting for), being one of the few councillors in Renfrewshire people have actually heard of since he doesn’t just vanish into the Cotton Street Twilight Zone inbetween elections.

This was nothing to do with politics or “super majorities” or any of the rest of the rag tag and bobtail of tactics discussed on here, and everything to do with helping out someone that’s actually justified by their work ethic being given a fair chance at a decent vote.

For the record, I have saw no activity from ALBA in my area either, and with just over two weeks to go, this is not edifying.

It could be (and husbanding of resources would make this common sense), they are concentrating their efforts in the Inverclyde, Arran and Ardrossan plus Vale of Leven and Renton (not the football clubs!) where their sitting councillor candidates come from and where maximising the “personal” vote would make good tactical sense.

One of the things election candidates are quickly discovering these days is if they’ve not done a hand’s turn themselves in the years between elections, people are far less likely now to find the “time” to help them reapply for their job with the voters.

All the parties in my area now struggle for bodies to come out and help, even with so many still furloughed and thus the time on their hands – as a metaphor for the chasm between the political class and the rest of us, it’s telling. Or to give the TL/DR version, “you cannae be scunnered wi’ them, they cannae be scunnered wi’ you!”

Robert Hughes

Breeks @ 9.29 . Well , you had me * spiritually * on my feet cheering until my lungs burst .

For the debris intensely polluting this site recently , that post by Breeks , like those of Mia and the many other excellent commenters here is the quality of intelligence and passion you’re up against : your pathetic , amateur buffoonery hour is up . Fuck off back to your underground caverns

Old Fogey

Mist001 says:

I live in France and have three overseas voting rights remaining and I’m not 100% sure if the Holyrood elections are included in that.

Sorry but no they aren’t, only general elections.

Mia

“Theirs is essentially a faith based position”

Actually no, it isn’t. It is based in evidence:

In 2016 the people of Scotland voted in a pro indy majority in to Holryood. The party with the biggest share of the vote, the SNP, had an impeccable mandate to hold indyref if there was a change in the circumstances of the 2014 vote. We had enough changes of circumstances to stop the earth spinning.

We had Davidson on record saying in 2011 that “all what democracy is about” in Scotland is about parties seeking allies in Holyrood to help them pass their policies. Indyref was no exception. She accepted at the time that a minority SNP could find allies in other pro indy parties to pass a vote for indyref.

Yet, rewind to 2016 and that argument suddenly morphed into having to be a SNP majority for indyref to be democratic. That argument remains today. In other words, unless there is a serious pro indy majority in Holyrood, with a minority party that is not prepared to swallow that crp like the Greens have done, the colonial parties will always twist reality to claim we don’t have a mandate and we don’t want independence.

Consequence: I seek to call their bluff. I seek the largest possible number of MSPs who are perceived as YES by the British state to show not only the colonial parties, but the world all over that Scotland is ready for independence.

Frankly, I do not see how handing over yes seats to unionists that will use them against you to deny you indyref and independence is nothing other than a “faith based position” that your gamble with yes seats, because that is what it is, is going to pay off. I do not like to gamble. I rather see a supermajority of yes seats in Holyrood that shows to the world and the wnkrs in WEstminster that Scotland wants independence.

Sturgeon is finished. You can see it in her face. Her speeches have become stale. She has nothing new, nothing fresh to say. It is always the same crap. She does not have credibility left. She is hanging by her fingernails, you can see that. She will not last a week of direct confrontations with Salmond and neither will Robertson. She can go to the backbenches when she is ready and the sooner the better. But her seat will always be seen as a yes seat.

Budgie

I can no longer in conscience give the SNP or the Scottish Greens either of my votes now.

shug

BBC Scotland this morning. “The Crown Office has passed us a report on care home deaths”
When did the crown office start passing reports to the bbc.

Quinie frae Angus

@Breeks at 9.37 pm

Breeks says:

The fact Sturgeon’s going mental with her cringey wee pronouns carry on is just ridiculous. She’s taken the Office of Scottish First Minister and put it on a level with other “world leaders” like Eddie Izzard. God knows what is going on inside her head, but it isn’t Scottish Independence. She’s on a Kamikaze mission to wreck the SNP, and if she isn’t in the pocket of the Unionists then she must be in the pocket of some big Pharma Company. But never mind. She is political toast.

Quinie says in reply:

I seem to remember when during the Biden Presidential campaign, Kamala Harris was very “performative” with her “she/her” pronouns.

That was very telling then.

And Nicola’s desperate need to “be seen to do the same”, is very telling now.

Whatever sinister, globalist, Atlantic vested interests are behind this, it’s clear that Nicola Sturgeon has signed up to it hook, line and sinker. And whatever her eventual “reward” is, or whatever blackmail/brainwashing she’s been subject to, she’s absolutely determined that we’re all going along with her whether we like it or not.

She must be thwarted in this dangerous nonsense that threatens women’s and children’s safeguarding rights worldwide.

Mia

“Riddle me this Mia, would you prefer:

a) Alba to hold the balance of power in a Holyrood with a pro indy majority but minus Robertson, Sturgeon, Swinney, Yousaf and Sommerville; OR

b) A pro-indy supermajority with an SNP or SNP/Green administration but too few Alba MSPs to force any change?”

Sorry but you have created an additional riddle there:

If locking the SNP in the constituencies renders very few ALBA MSPs to force any change, how on earth are you ever going to get sufficient ALBA MSPs to hold the balance of power in a) when you are handing over constituency seats to unionists getting the SNP, with a significantly higher number of list votes than ALBA, to compete against ALBA for the list seats? If the SNP loses constituency seats, its probability of getting list seats increases, decreasing those of ALBA. That is the part you are closing our eyes to with your gamble and expect me to close mine too.

Your riddle does not make sense. The only way ALBA can hold the balance of power is if it gets enough seats. The only way it can get enough seats is by locking the SNP in the constituency.

AberdeenPict

OT. For a bit of light relief, If anyone has 13 minutes to spare and wants a chuckle at a subtly politicised version of Trumpton that some of us oldies will remember.

link to youtube.com

Hope I have added the link correctly and don’t get killed by hammers.

Andy Ellis

@Mia 10.02 pm.

Sorry Mia, there’s just no reasoning with you. Yours IS a faith based position, however much you try to disavow the fact. A pro indy majority in Holyrood – whatever its make-up – doesn’t make an iota of difference if there’s no clear route to indy. The britnats don’t care how many pro-indy MSPs there are, because they won’t be elected on a plebiscitary mandate.

Your strategy – such as it is – makes such elections less likely.

Anyhoo…we’ll just have to agree to disagree: pointless arguing the toss with faith based positions.

Patrick Jones

Sturgeon certainly knows how to push all the right buttons.

The whole world despises her, except a few crazies here on Wings Over Scotland.

SCOTLAND’S night-time industry is “on the brink of collapse” with 24,000 jobs at risk in an “impending unemployment tsunsami” due to continuing restrictions as the Covid lockdown is eased.

link to heraldscotland.com

Jack Murphy

What the SNP leadership fears most is losing their Enablers, the Greens.

Vote Scottish National Party on the Constituency Ballot.

Vote the ALBA PARTY on the List Regional Ballot.

That WILL give the SNP Leadership sleepless, restless nights, plus a strong vibrant Independence Party in the Scottish Parliament with the added bonus of REDUCING the Unionist bums on seats.

Patrick Jones

There are a few crazy Sturgeon obsessed SNP WANNERS on here, who’s backs must be red raw at the end of their shift on here with all the back slapping that goes on between then.

They are part of Sturgeon’s Cult, and will follow here no matter what. Even if it means Young children being abused.

The SNP are a Cult.

Brian Doonthetoon

Hi Mia.

You typed,
“Tempting as chucking Sturgeon, Swinney, Sommerville, Yousaf and specially Robertson is, in all honesty I fail to see how losing 5 pro indy seats will work to our advantage.”

Take Mid Scotland & Fife as an example. The Tory vote is SO strong, that Murdo Fraser always gets elected in the region.

If he won Swinney’s seat – Perthshire North – the Tories divisor in the regional vote would be increased, probably losing them one of the regional seats.

Checks and balances of the d’Hondt system.

As the unionist parties get most of their seats in the regions, every time they win a constituency seat, it lessens the chance of them getting one of their regional seats.

Checks and balances…

ScotsRenewables

What a bunch of miserable moaning greeting-faced grippers there are on here these days.

Alex is back, Nasty Nicola is on a warning, cheer the fuck up.

Tommo

From the (Relatively) safe distance of Wales I promised myself I would abandon this blog; however I have significant ties to Scotland and continue to be interested by all the arguments on here. Fair play to the Moderator, too.
Three things seem to me to be right;
1. The party that ‘you’ ( I generalise) have supported for years/decades has of recent years become a pile of steaming bat-guano infested by (Tiny) minority ‘spokespersons’ who use prejudice/minority/trans rights and any other credible ‘arguments’ available as battering-rams to force through extremist views way beyond any rational accommodation
2.They will be re-elected with a healthy majority
3.While many on here think that the party do not seek another referendum I believe that nothing would please the leadership more than to be the unassailable heads of a separate country-with control of all the levers of power, information and ‘funding’ (I cant accept that your legal world is so compromised)-it may be however that their polling suggests that it would cut up about the same as last time. Game over-at least for their ‘careers’- and a chance for another ‘Indy’ party to gain ground
Just a thought
I’ll get me coat

Red

Cath says:
19 April, 2021 at 8:04 pm

I completely agree.

I also read what you said earlier about gender dysphoria, and you’re absolutely right.

I think it’s not uncommon for teenagers to be confused, which is not the same thing as a dysphoria – but they don’t know any better. Growing up is confusing. Most kids aren’t the effortlessly handsome captain of the school rugby team or the gorgeous alpha female type who easily makes friends. Most of us were spotty and awkward at that age. It’s not easy for a boy to become a man, or a girl to grow into womanhood.

I think there’s a lot going wrong at the same time in today’s society. It’s very, very easy for kids, and particularly girls, to get lured in by the transcult, which aggressively proselytises via social media with basically the same tactics Scientology uses – lovebombi