Gordon Brown is a liar
This is what goes on behind the closed doors of invitation-only events run by the No campaign. Here, the former PM and self-proclaimed “ex-politician” lies through his teeth (again) to a Fife audience in June, presumably hoping they’ve by now forgotten his incompetent reign as Chancellor – the massive pensions raid, the cut-price sell-off of the nation’s gold, the ending of the 10p tax rate and all the rest, and the calamitous economic crisis he bequeathed to the nation:
Apparently oil revenues will be the sole source of money for an independent Scotland. No taxes at all. Apparently they’re only “£3 billion a year”, even though they’ve in fact NEVER been as low as £3bn since the Scottish Parliament existed and most sensible projections put receipts for the next few years at an average of at least twice that.
It’s heartbreaking that some Scots will decide the future of their children’s country on the basis of such utterly shameless, brazen, cynical, tribal, self-serving dishonesty. We don’t trust ourselves to say any more on the subject than that.
I can’t even watch this all the way through. The man’s a disgrace.
We need a protest outside his office showing him up about all his lies. I’m popping in a copy of the letter from Blood and Translant that cancels out his blatant lies on risk to transplants.
This is the biggest issue for me of the lot…
If this thing goes against us, and we have lost because of bullshit like this, spouted by someone who ought to know better but is only driven by their own personal gain, then I genuinely fear for what may happen next and where does it leave us as a nation and as a people?
Pinnochio doesn’t get a look in with him about.If he keeps going his nose will keep me going in firewood for decades.
This arsehole was in charge of UK finances for how long? He was either asleep that whole time or he knows he’s lying.
The man that is so full of himself that he once claimed he “saved the world” is now reduced to spreading lies and fear about his own country.
Let’s make sure in four weeks time we rid ourselves once and for all from these types of people.
@Holebender.
HE KNOWS!
Does he still hold constituency surgeries?
That he launches these lies against his own electorate pretty much says it all about the man.
Disgusted.
Oh my word. Shameless. what an utter disgrace that he’s allowed to peddle such guff amongst the hard-of-thinking.
The worst of the worst. Propagating the too poor philosophy. Despicable.
And this ladies and gentlemen was once our Prime Minister. Still lauded as a top UK politician even though he sometimes forgets he is even an MP. He is a total disgrace. This debate has shown a lot of peoples true colours.
Been doing telephone canvassing today. Put simply, lots of pensioners believe this scaremongering. We’ve got to help our older folk see through this – WBB for all Grannie’s. Flip side, my Facebook is looking very positive with DKs and even a strongish No turning to Yes. Need to help the old folks see the truth though.
What does Gordon Brown have to say before his lies are exposed on the main evening news?
Maybe he will be off to visit Spain and declare himself King or something. Even that likely never to get reported though …
It is no wonder the UK is run so badly, when you had such innumerate witless individuals Gordo & Darling and now with Georse Osborne in charge of the kitty tin.
TBH. I don’t think they are intentionally lying, they have some form of dyscalculia (Dyscalculia unionista)
Just like Anne (first post) I only managed to get 1:30 into it and had to stop.
Shameful.
Jesus Christ. Have they all sold their souls to Westminster?
The people there clapping along cannot seriously have sat there and not been thinking ‘but what about the taxes I/my family/friends/whoever pay, even though we have nothing to do with the oil industry, so that we can have these services?’. Where’s the LOGIC?!?
What lying shit. Does he think that Scotland’s only revenue stream is oil and gas? What about food / tourism, high tech, whisky, specialist manufacturing, renewables technology.
No wonder he fucked up his political career. Annoying that he tells lies like this to people with the most to gain from independence.
Nice to see Gordon’s learnt to count since his days as chancellor, pity his speech caused his nose to grow like Pinnochio.
Well seen he didn’t want this to go into public domain
What an absolute c**t of a man. He honestly disgusts me, he was in Easterhouse last week, with a pre-planned speech about pensions but was thrown when there were hardly any pensioners on show but he still went on about pensions, but was brought to task by a local community worker, was caught lying but kept it up.
He was the subject of ridicule in Westminster when they called him Mr Bean, however Mr Bean was funny, Brown is not, in fact his sanity must be in question if he thinks anyone will swallow his lies.
To think he was a Chancellor of the Exchequer is mind boggling. He’s financially illiterate and f***ing useless at maths. No wonder the UK is in such a mess.
(Sorry about the swearing but this stuff makes me so mad)
Let him lie his socks off. The more lies the better. The more he goes unchallenged by the media the better.
Let Gordon Brown drown in his own lies.
Gordon Brown; some-one who looks south for advantage and personal fortune – happy to sell Scotland down the river to keep his place at the trough.
I bet he can just visualize himself in ermine – Lord Brown of Sellout.
gordons Scotland
bust & bust
he has 0 confidence in Scotland as a nation
£3bn oil income and £40 bn spend? Who on earth is Crash talking too in that room?
Lets make sure we expose this vile clown to as many as possible, via social media.
The man must have an almost unbelievably low opinion of his audience. (maybe justifiably so)
I just got my “Why Independence will be the best thing for generations” booklet through the door.
I hope those people clapping at the idiot Brown take the time to read it.
Did anyone hear Gordie say we are all gonna sit at home on our Ar*es and watch the world go by ? FFS … Now we know why Labour in WM made the UK such a mess . What did ooer granny say ” dinae darken my door again ” how appropriate ! I used to work with a Doorman who always shouted out GTF at the end o the night …..that applies to you Gordie Broon , GTF ! Makes Me Mad with rage all this S@@@ !
When you take just a cursory look at how Scotland’s been deindustrialised by Labour in particular for the last 50 years, its actually a tragic display of self interest and corruption.
Why are there any labour in Scotland voters at all?
Mr Brown demonstrating yet again he believes the average intelligence of a Scot to be slightly less than that of a cow pat.
I think the No mob may have given up on the positive case for the onion.
That man is a poor excuse for a jellyfish.
Lying bastards lie but one day that man will be a figure of fun passed down the centuries.
He is the son of the manse, I think he knows hes going to the burnie fire
“The best Scottish future is to lead Britain” Christ they’ll really love that across the border in merry olde England.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
If your going to lie you might as well make it a whopper.
“We don’t trust ourselves to say any more on the subject than that.”
Don’t get mad, get a Yes vote.
Shame on him!!! He must think we are well below functional intelligence or something…. I’m speechless!
United with Labour,the Tory Party and the dependable Liberal Democrats……
Munchausen’s by Proxy is what he and his Labour chums are all cursed by,out and out bloody liars.
And he’s speaking in Hamilton next week; an open evening, assuming your application to attend is approved. Maybe see if they’ll allow me to attend, and if so he’ll convince me to Vote No. You never know I might even have had the first of my promised phone calls by then.
We can but dream. Now where were all theses Yes Because thingies?
Frank Field hit the nail on the head in his comment to Tony Blair when it became certain that Blair would resign and Brown take over:
“You have let Mrs Rochester out of the Attic!”
Blair laughed.
Let me get this straight, according to what Gordon just said, Scotland only contributes £3B to the UK economy.There is nothing else that we do up here, no other industries? Then he goes onto talk about Scotland contributing & leading the UK. How can we do that with only 3billion? How do we pull and share if we have nothing to share? You would think his leader in London would be jumping at the chance to unload such a massive debt. It explains a lot on how the financial collapse happened in a secure, resourceful and sharing UK, the man cant count and doesnt understand how to use resources. The saddest part is no matter how hard you explain the real situation, people in this country still want to believe what people like Gordon are telling them. Im hearing ,” yes I would like Scotland to be independent but its just a romantic notion, we cant possibly go on our own, how would we pay for it all?” You can give a partially sighted person glasses to help them see but if they refuse to put them on, what can you do?
a new labour thatcherite through and through.
plays to the subsidy junkies myth.
how dare he!
We need a protest outside his office showing him up about all his lies. I’m popping in a copy of the letter from Blood and Translant that cancels out his blatant lies on risk to transplants.
Why waste your time standing outside his office where only his secretary will notice?
Do it outside his meetings where all the people he has just lied too can see the brazen lies he utters.
Time to target their meetings!!!
A lot of folk don’t seem to be clapping. Maybe they’ve seen the many flaws in his argument.
@GoldenAyr…in theory he does, but like everything else with that waste of space, you’ll have a job pinning him down to it.
Brown is proving he is not a politician of any note. He ascended to Chancellor and then PM with a great clunking fist. He has no prowess at all for being in office, Brown is an ideological battering ram. When in office (in either position) he has ideas based on ideology, mostly his own, not intellect. Then he gets his minions to try and realise his great ideas only to be told they are unworkable, then clunking fist comes thundering down and Gordo ‘solves’ problems by finding £billions (gold sell off, pensions raid, borrowing) to chuck down the deep dark hole of his consciousness, you know, where his moral compass was last seen.
This sad, sorry, behemoth of a liar must never be allowed near a position of responsibility ever again.
You know its really difficult to pick out which of them is the worst politician. But I can safely say this man is at the top of the list.
He scares the elderly by telling them they won’t get a pension, he scares the sick by telling them they won’t get treatment.
So yes this Brown creature is truly vile.
He just makes me want to punch him. OK, and kick him too. *rageflail*
Burns had a word for his sort “Toadeater”
Toadeater Brown, I like it.
Well, remember what even Blair said about Brown : the “brutal truth” was that he had “psychological flaws”.
(Alastair Campbell, Diaries, 18/1/98)
I’m sorry but you would have to be a completely imbecilic to believe that crap, which is why he says it behind closed doors to an invitation only audience.
An audience that has already made its mind up to vote no and can see no further than the end of their noses.
john j says:
Your right John, and he has made plenty of them!
That must be some brass neck you need to have to be a Labour politician. Pretty sickening to watch this knowing that people repeat this sh1t as gospel via the media.
I feel good that history is at this very moment recording the legacy of these lying sneering smearing individuals. I feel a tad sorry for family and future family members who will have to live with the shame of a member of their family lying and cheating Scotland and her people. I am finding it difficult not to despise them.
This is the “principled man” who called the woman who mentioned immigration a bigot yet he stands there telling barefaced lies. Son of the manse indeed, bet his father would be ashamed of him.
The man is either lying or mentally ill, and believes the shite he utters.
I hope for his sake he is mentally ill, as it may be possible for him to get treatment.
If he is a congenital liar I weep for UK and Labour Party politics that this is what they have come to.
Of course he may be a mentally ill and has become a liar to rationalise his internal delusions.
Either way he should be let out alone, never mind standing in front of an audience pouting his keich.
Jimmy Reid said that he never left the Labour Party, it left him.
I think with that, sanity also departed.
I think this is the worst NaeSaying display I’ve seen so far in the campaign.
Absolute scum, the lowest of the low. How could anyone sell out and talk down their country like this?
Democracy Reborn 4.11
“psychological flaws” Clearly he is mad as a hatter.
Colin 4.12
“An audience that has already made its mind up to vote no and can see no further than the end of their noses.”
The audience must be mad also.
Scotland has:
Fishing, aquaculture, crops, livestock, food, drinks, world class and unique distilling, brewing, financial services, banking, tourism, education, research, IT software, engineering , construction, shipping, avionics, energy, hydroelectricity & renewables, coal, oil & gas and lots of water!
Scotland has:
Corporation Tax, VAT, Income Tax, NICS, duties on fuel, tobacco, alcohol, vehicles, currently all taken by Westminster.
Told you to go here and vote.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/scottish-independence-vote–yahoo-readers-back-better-together-campaign-144542168.html#fGFFeq8
There’s still time,do it now.If you tweet spread the word.
Would it be possible to calculate roughly how much the pensions raid has cost the average pensioner today?
Could we make an estimate of how much he lost on the gold sales?
Could we also have a list of all the various taxes that Gordie (despite being Chancellor for all those years) has somehow forgotten about.
A one page sheet with a basic list as an addendum to the inside the blue book would be just dandy to hand out to the people coming out of the meeting.
Be nice to get this information out to all pensioners in the areas he has held meetings in if we could manage it.
I am astonished.
According to Mr Brown we have to spend £40 billion on only 4 major items of expenditure. Oddly the tax take in Scotland in 2011-2012 was £56.9 billion including a geographical oil share.
Looks like we can afford it after all. Mr Brown is a silly billy 😉
I gave up watching the video after 30 seconds or so.
I tried again and could not progress.
The man is a liar and mentally ill.
In the words of, I think Zsa Zsa Gabor – don’t get mad, get everything, with a YES vote. 🙂 (OK the last bit was me).
My god £3 billion pound’s of oil revenue a year, who let him near the cigarette packet calculator and would some one in betertogether help him with his addiction to the pipe.
goldenayr 4.19
You are probably well aware of the biased reporting of the indyref campaign by Yahoo. I think it would be a waste of time voting in their poll as they can not be trusted. I have a Yahoo email account which I use for spam but will be closing it down and will have no further dealings with them.
I think the worst thing is the fear that the Bitter Together lot spread. My own mum is 78, she’s Welsh but has lived here in Scotland for 12 years. She has been so scared by the dreadful stories that she has heard on the TV and the radio. She was frightened that she would lose her pension, that she might be deported, that her neighbours (who have always been good, kind and supportive) would turn against her because she is not Scottish.
Luckily we have been able to reassure her on every point, she is not on her own. It is also great that where she lives there are yes signs and banners everywhere. Yes is very visable. She said today that she would vote yes or not vote at all, because the people all around her want yes and she could not betray their wishes, because this country has welcomed her and made her feel at home.
But what about those people who don’t have anyone to ask or turn to for support? These scare stories are absolutely wicked and I don’t know how we can counteract them if there is a yes as the most vulnerable people could be so very scared about the future, when there is no reason for them to be.
“Gordon is a moron”. Or have you already used that headline?
I think Lesley-Anne told us a few nights ago that some elderly folk have been so frightened by the pensions scare they have been stockpiling food.
Brown and the rest of this gang should be held to account for this fear mongering.
Jim Marshall
Fully aware.
Stopped my accounts with them during the 2007 election.Same with SKY this time around.
I can’t say what i want to say as there are ladies present.
Can not believe what I have just seen. How can the Labour Party have any credibility left.
We can at least take comfort from the fact they must be panicking at No HQ to come out with such blatant shite as this.
The real reason Gordon “end of boom and bust” Brown, sold almost 400 tonnes of gold between 1999 & 2002 isn’t widely understood but it is a shocking insight to his reckless stewardship of our national assets & financial services.
Before flogging it, he advertised the sales thus telling the bullion markets he was about to flood it with gold. Any school kid will tell you that when a market is flush with a commodity like Top Trumps Cards or Football Collector’s Cards, that commodity’s value & thus price, will fall.
Then he told the markets he was going to auction it instead of the traditional method with which the price of gold was determined at a morning & afternoon “fix” between representatives of big banks. “Fix” doesn’t mean illegal, just a shorthand description for the way inter-bank deals were arranged on behalf of their client networks.
Anyway, auctions as you may not know, invariably achieve a lower price than the “fix” price. This was quite a deliberate decision by the aptly nicknamed, “Crash” Gordon.
“What? Why did he deliberately drive the price down?”, I hear you ask. Eh, well he did so because of a problem with some of the banks. But you need to understand how the bullion market worked in the 1990s before you understand why he did this.
In the late 1990s, the gold carry trade was a scam in which a bank would borrow gold from another financial institution for a set period. It paid a token sum relative to the overall value of that gold until control of all the gold had been passed over at which point the bank would sell it for its full market value.
The proceeds were invested in something else, anything really so long as it was predicted to generate a better return over the same period than the gold. But the gold price of course had to be stable or ideally falling.
At the end of the fixed period, the bank would sell its investment & use the profit it made to buy back the amount of gold it had originally borrowed. Why would it do that? Because the price of gold had fallen of course so it bought the same gold effectively twice but only paid in full once, at a lower price. This gold would be returned to the lender & the borrowing bank would file the difference between the two prices as a tasty profit.
As long as gold prices fell & other securities rose, this scam continued to work. But when gold prices moved the other way, some banks found themselves in very deep trouble.
Rumour has it that Goldman Sachs approached the Treasury because another bank had shorted two tons of gold when prices were going the wrong way. A banking collapse was imminent.
Thus Gordon “end of boom & bust’ Brown dumped gold all over the market like condoms in a brothel in an attempt to stave a financial sector collapse.
But rather than pat him on the back, one might ask why such a colossal & chronic gold shorting scam was allowed to perpetuate under his Treasury leadership in the first place?
Just as amazing though is that still, some folks think this clown can be taken seriously.
Bugger (the Panda)
It’s not so much that he is a congenital lier, it is simply that the telling of lies is now regarded as one of the tools of the Labour Party machine, to be used as seen fit.
I know that journalists read Wings and they should very carefully consider their actions when it comes to either writing or broadcasting material like this. The easiest option fo them is not to publish this but that isn’t good enough.
The public are being lied to and the MSM are a part of that. They could of course fix this sorry state of affairs but then that would mean elevating themselves from the sewer occupied by Gordon Brown and Labour.
Will they do this or will they wait until we, the oridnary public, find a way to bring them to account?
Guys, i’m not in Scotland – but you have to win this. Is this the best we can expect of a representative democracy? I’m caring less about the richer/poorer issue every day.
We (Scotland) must do better. Keep fighting with everything you’ve got.
From Day One the union has been founded on intimidation and lies. Brown is delighted to carry on this disgusting tradition.
i think he has mental health problems,he was always a bit strange but has gone completely loopy in the last 20 years
If that glass eyed cunt lies anymore, he will soon need to wear asbestos troosers.
Stephen.
Brown is a complete charlatan, no doubt about it.
Will happily tell porkies in order to save himself
I have said it before and I will say it again, nothing more that a full public inquiry for all those who have told blatant lies to the people of Scotland. Name and shame the lot of them. Dirty scumbags that they are, a date with a court of law is what they need for treason .
Fuck. Me. Sideways.
GB has either actually lost the plot was we suspected Blinky Darling had a few months back, or he just doesn’t care if he lies through his teeth.
Or he simply can’t count. Aha! After his term as Chancellor, I think we know the answer to that…
Meanwhile Westminster’s millionaire tories snigger as their obedient unionist Jocks revel in telling lies to further their own personal advantage. They are ("Tractor" - Ed)s.
If it can be proven that blatant lies were told then it will be easier to have another vote,,we just need to make sure its as soon as poss,and not in twenty years!!!!
I’m going to post my comment that I made on the video here too in case it gets removed:
So the only source of income an independent Scotland would have is from oil revenue? This is one of the most ridiculous arguments I’ve heard so far, and there have been plenty to choose from! I understand people wanting to remain part of the UK, it is the easy choice but there are many more industries in Scotland that would contribute towards the running of the country not to mention all of the Scottish Citizens that contribute too. Gordon, how much would my income tax, road tax, fuel duty, council tax, VAT and National insurance contributions pay for??
Wow.
I wonder if he took questions afterwards?
How does this guy get away with talking. He is the man who bust the country and robbed the pensions.
Horrible selfish ("Tractor" - Ed)
I’ve watched this twice and I’m absolutely livid. This man is a low life rat. Get this shared daily on Facebook, twitter, emails. The Scottish Gov should hold a press conference about these bare faced lies, get on the TV and call Brown for the liar he is. No untruths, no spin, just lies. Call him for what he is, a liar. He can sue if he dares
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The first thing after a yes vote will be the transfer of taxes to holyrood. Then we will know the truth
I don’t think this blog will dissapear overnight
We will not forget Gordon , you will be reminded. Frequently
You will be held to account
Frequently
By his figures rUK should be desperate to get rid of us.
Sounds like we’re leeching off them for £40 – £3 = £37 billion per annum. Good riddance to us, I say. Vote yes for a more prosperous England!
That is quite appaling! And he’s doing it deliberately. He constantly refers to oil which makes his claim technically true whilst avoiding all the rest of the tax take. He’s treating these people like morons. I hope he’s wrong.
are you allowed to talk at local ‘old folks’ clubs and the like?
this 64 year old thinks his and the (even) older generation need to be told the truth, to get the rightful result on the 18th – but it needs to happen NOW.
3 billion from oil ?
If that is all it is worth then surely they should be begging us to leave, and fund our “subsidies” ourselves.
O/T
link to unitetheunion.org
What port jim says. Should get this info to all rangers and orange order people. England wealthier without the sweaties. This will make them so happy to vote yes.
Under the present system, it isn’t a crime for our elected politicians to tell lies. Hopefully a Scottish constitution will remedy this.
My wife watched that wretched man sneaking out of a blacked out 4by4 next to the side door of Lochegelly town hall with his head down that day so he wouldnt be recognized , I am deeply ashamed that man represented me and I was quite smug at the fact my MP was the Prime Minister, interesting that his audience were out of focus so you couldnt tell who was at this meeting of the damned!
Spread the word
Coal Is The New Black Gold Under The North Sea “Sunday Times” 30 March 2014
Scientists have discovered vast deposits of coal lying under the North Sea, potentially holding enough energy to power Britain for centuries.
They have studied data, from seismic tests and boreholes, collected all over the North Sea for oil and gas exploration, but instead used it to build a picture of coal deposits.
The work revealed that the sea bed holds up to 20 layers of coal extending from Britain’s northeast coast far out under the sea — and that much of it could be reached with the technologies already in use to extract oil and gas.
“We think there are between three trillion and 23 trillion tonnes of coal buried under the North Sea,” said Dermot Roddy, formerly professor of energy at Newcastle University. “This is thousands of times greater than all the oil and gas we have taken out so far, which totals around 6bn tonnes. If we could extract just a few per cent of that coal it would be enough to power the UK for decades or centuries.”
Geologists have long known that Britain’s onshore coal seams extend under the North Sea but were uncertain about the scale. Energy companies ignored them because they were seen as inaccessible.
Recent years, however, have brought advances in technologies such as gasification, where superheated steam and oxygen are pumped underground to turn coal into gases that can be burnt for power or used to make plastics.
Study the map here to see where will benefit
link to thegwpf.org
In 1998 our GDP was 63 Billion pounds, I presume it’s gone up a bit more since then.
£148 billion last year it would appear.
link to scotland.gov.uk
“Under the present system, it isn’t a crime for our elected politicians to tell lies. Hopefully a Scottish constitution will remedy this.”
The trouble with that Juteman is nothing is true and nothing is lies,
go down that road and we are faced with politicians who are unable to say anything for fear of being sued .jailed or worse, as much as I would see that man tarred a feathered and run out of town on a rail,
I’m afaid we just have to put up with weasels like him and ensure our electorate are streetwise enough to understand when they’re getting smoke blown up thier ass.
Gordon the Hapless – grousebeater.wordpress
the crazy thing about these invitation only events,which my YES voting husband keeps get invited to,is that they preach to the converted.
However, they are for some reason always covered by the press so the nonsense they spout gets out there.
Juteman 5.17
“Under the present system, it isn’t a crime for our elected politicians to tell lies. Hopefully a Scottish constitution will remedy this.”
Yes exactly, we should have the power to impeach and remove the liars from office. At least with the internet we can expose their lies whereas before they could lie and not be found out.
He didn’t end the 10p tax rate.
He doubled it.
O/T Stu, sorry.
Apologies if this has been posted before but couldn’t resist.
A little boy goes to see his dad and says, “Dad, I have to do a special report for school. Can I ask you a question?”
His father replies, “Sure, son. What’s the question?”
The little boy says, “What is politics?”
“Well son, let’s take our home for example. I am the wage earner, so let’s call me ‘Gordon Brown.’ Your mother is the administrator of money, so we’ll call her ‘Alistair Darling.’ We take care of your needs, so we’ll call you ‘The People.’ We’ll call the maid ‘The Working Class,’ and your baby brother we can call ‘The Future.’ Do you understand, son?
“I’m not really sure, Dad. I’ll have to think about it.”
That night, awakened by his baby brother’s crying, the boy went to see what was wrong. Discovering that the baby had seriously soiled his nappy, the boy went to his parents’ room and found his mother sound asleep. He went to the maid’s room where, peeking through the keyhole, he saw his father in bed with the maid. The boy’s knocking went totally unheeded by his father and the maid, so the boy returned to his room and went back to sleep. The next morning he reported to his father.
“Dad, now I think I understand what politics is.”
“Good, son! Can you explain it to me in your own words?”
“Well, dad, while Gordon Brown is screwing the Working Class, Alistair Darling is sound asleep, the People are being completely ignored and the Future is full of shit.
But £3 billion is chicken-feed to the sort of money that Gordo blew as Chancellor & PM.
Remember PFI? His ‘brilliant’ solution for building new schools & hospitals during the last Labour govt? Analysis by the Guardian (5/7/12) revealed that it will end up costing taxpayers more than £300 billion. Some NHS organisations will end up paying almost 12 times the initial sum over what is usually a 30-year contract.
Dave Prentis, general secretary of Unison:-
“We’re sitting on a PFI time bomb, and the sheer scale of the burden paints a seriously grim picture for the future of our public services.”
PFI had left the UK with a “staggering mountain of debt”, Prentis said.
As Severin Carroll might say, Gordo is truly a financial ‘big beast’!
Ok O/T so sorry if i have too much spare time.
Went gravater and opened a wee account (Name, E-mail and password” and got myself a new face.
Picked out a photy and there it is on Wings and the like when i comment. Magic
First was a trial now i’ve got a wee tartan bear (aye it’s cute)
So it’s still me just a new face Ta – rah
Can’t comment any more about Pa Broon. You all say pretty much what the whole world would say.
Still liars and scare mongerers should be monstered big time. The pensioners are an easy target because they still trust the telly and politicians. If you know any near you give them a wee chat and put them right.
Only the lowest form of scum would abuse folk like Brown has. A YES vote will show us what damage he REALLY done.
He does suffer from a mental condition, it’s called psychopathy! As do many of our westminster/ slab politicians. They have no empathy it’s all about ME. So with no conscience they can lie with no ill effect to themselves as long as they get what they want. Cherie Bliar has even called her health co. MEE Healthcare.
Bastirts the lot of them
From one auld wifie
I think ‘brazen, self-seeking’ should be added to the title.
Scro/Cat 17.10
I thought nothing will change day after a YES vote until we are Legally independent March 23rd 2016.
I would be very interested what changes on the 19th when we vote YES .
He is not lying… he just can’t count.
Remember, he thought he was getting a good deal on our gold reserves.
Only excuse for this would be early onset of dimentia. This ‘son of the manse’ can’t believe the ‘pearly gates’ might prove the day of reckoning. OMG!
There is an expression which kind-hearted, unselfish, caring Scots use out of pity for people they feel sorry for and it’s – “He’s no’ right!”
In this case I might make an exception!
I can count past ten without taking off my shoes and socks. I don’t think Gordon Brown can say the same.
Between 40 seconds and 1min 15 sec of the video, he adds up FOUR (4) items and completely messes up the sums:
1- Pensions 9 Bi
2- Soc Sec’y 22 Bi*
3- Education 6 Bi
4- Health 11 Bi
The grand total is 48 Billion, but G Brown says it is 40 Billion.
*Plan B: He seemed to miss adding the 9 of Pensions to the 22 of Soc Sec’y, but even being charitable to the Lochgelly Liar and assuming that 22 Bi is the real total of adding Pensions and Soc Sec’y, the final sum then would be 39 Billion (22 +6 +11), not 40 Billion as he states.
So he is either Eight Billion too low, or ONE Billion too high. Which is it, Mr Ex-politician?
I should like Gordon Brown
and his ilk
prosecuted
after Independence.
Brown has done more harm
to Scotland
than Osama Bin Laden
and Al Quaeda.
The man should be locked up
alone
on Rockall.
That is my MP and every time I hear his name or that of his side kick Alex Rowley I hang my head in shame.
No he’s not lying. A liar has some idea of the truth, some respect for the truth. As he has none he cannot be a liar and therefore he is innocent even were he not a believer in Calvanism and that he is one of the elect which means everything he does is for the benefit of himself and his fellow elect. The masses are damned anyway.
Gordon is his own God
I guess if he gets ermine we could call him Lord Haw Haw.
🙂
We cant get Brown for lying but here’s what we can get him in court for
Malfeasance
“Malfeasance is the willful and intentional action that injures a party.”
Selling the gold and raiding the private pensions in my book amount to Malfeasance.
I think both he and Blinky are WELL aware of this and is why bothy are panicking like crazy because they know they would be sharing a jail cell (poetic justice dont you think?)when the books are opened!
I can’t even believe that Scots are still voting for him, let alone turn up to listen to him denounce their country.
Along with Maggie, Blair and Darling, Brown is also going to be remembered badly in the footnotes of history…
@ john king, Malfeasance, Misfeasance, Nonfeasance, Defeasance, I think he’s guilty of the lot!
Wouldn’t waste my time watching this.
I rate him lower than a paedophile.
Ashamed to be born in the same county as this low life scumbag.
Brown has done more harm
to Scotland
than Osama Bin Laden
and Al Quaeda.
What I meant to say was:-
Brown has done more harm
to Scotland
then Osama bin Laden
and Al Quaeda
could have done
in a hundred years.
Age comes with a price tag!!
In fact (I have no idea if anyone else has mentioned it, I’ve just come to the end of the forum), but when you pause the clip at the very end to study the audience, it seems that they are heavily made up of the older members of our society. If this seems to be the case, then it seems the ex-Chancellor Brown is praying on those who probably fear the Referendum the most, as they may believe that they have the most to lose.
After today’s oil story by that other liar Ian Wood.There is now no doubt that the media and government are working hand in glove.No counter argument from the media as no impartial media exists.Democracy is dead in this campaign.When you can do as you like unchecked you just keep lying.Its hard not to get angry at ill informed people but they are led by the media.
JLT
The No side don’t have a monopoly on us older voters. We need to get out and campaign and change those them voting Yes rather than No.
Interesting snippets from canvassers that a few older voters have told them they want to discuss their vote with their families as it will effect their children and grandchildren in the long term rather than themselves.
Now back to campaigning…
O/T
Impressive! “YesBecause” trending on twitter!
link to twitter.com
See how happy they all look and compare with the No lot who must be the most miserable bunch in the country.
link to twitter.com
What a despicable man Gordon Brown is, deliberately selling out his fellow Scotsman, to the Westminster establishment is in my opinion beyond contempt.
O/T.
Just heard there on STV news that there’s a possibility that the Scottish Government could buy Ferguson’s shipyard, Alex Salmond, will visit the yard tomorrow.
This may well be the beginning of nationalising shipbuilding in Scotland.
Can we trust these figures lol?
Oh dear….
link to newsnetscotland.com
Democracy is dead
Greed is King
Eventually, only the wealthy will have a vote.
Well, the poor will be dead or diseased.
There can be no doubt, Gordon and Alistair say,
We are Better Together.
Makes me think of people being herded
into gas chambers.
Vote Yes
and avoid Westminster’s final solution for Scots.
hes not lying…of course hes lying
he knows hes lying and so does everybody on here
its so pathetic that even the oldest of us will see through it…but you have to remember some spineless people are just looking for any excuse to vote no and there the ones who will latch on to this to somehow try and justify it
there campaign has become so pathetic its not even worth the hassle anymore…i cant even get angry over this because it is just laughable
Here is a better video to watch – Scotland Yet
link to tinyurl.com
Apparently oil revenues will be the sole source of money for an independent Scotland. No taxes at all. Apparently they’re only “£3 billion a year”, even though they’ve in fact NEVER been as low as £3bn since the Scottish Parliament existed and most sensible projections put receipts for the next few years at an average of at least twice that.
No wonder loads of people in SLAB support independence. How did this guy get so far? Constantly talks utter pish, it really has got to the embarrassing stage. Brown is shameless, no doubt he wants to be in ermine in the Lords. Brown will do or say anything to get a reward from the British establishment, who mostly hate him anyway. God he must really, really hate people in Scotland.
I would invite all readers to click on the link in the story “never been as low as 3 billion”, and look at the historical price of a barrel of oil graph further down the page.
The spike in the late 2000s, and later decline, and subsequent increase follows the exchange rate of pound to dollar during that period, as Bush Jnr put the dollar into ‘benign neglect’, to reduce the value of the USD, to force the Chinese to break their 8.27 Yuan to the USD peg (note that political decision on the part of the Chinese in regard to our own options on currency on independence!!!).
Note the price at the start of the graph, in 2000. Around $30 a barrel. I had a job, from 2004 to 2009 on a project which was sanctioned based on a worst case scenario of $16/barrel.
DO NOT let the lies on price get to you. £3 billion my hairy arse.
@Nana Smith
Thanks, hahaha. Another BT vote No scare story bites the dust in an avalanche of FACTS.
link to newsnetscotland.com
# gopher3 2014-08-21 16:01
I believe he has just moved all his Aberdeen employees to a new Wood group company he’s set up in Guernsey, they will all still work in Aberdeen though,
but he will save paying the HMRC around £15 million in tax each year.
.
Sir Ian Wood
From oil guru to tax dodger in 24 hrs.
O/T
Anyone else notice on STV 6pm News the legendary John Mackay frown is getting deeper.
Along with his bellowing booming voice, he is coming across as a really angry newsreader.
I think he is trying to frighten every wee undecided granny in Scotland into voting NO.
Anyone believe the spin Labour are putting about that Darling and Brown are now the bestest of pals and the decades of insults and back stabbing between the pair have been all forgiven and forgotten.
I would suggest this load of old cobblers is part and parcel of Labour’s political theory for the Scotch hegemony, as in: The Scots zip up the back.
The real scare is these Better Together – No Thanks numpties consider this to be ‘honest politics‘ and that they reflect all that is the best in Scotland and are the only side with integrity.
Words fail me, either sophisticated or down right crude, to describe the contempt I am feeling towards these shallow political vermin of the lowest possible stripe.
Google the office of Gordon and Sarah Brown . This charity IMO is a tax scam . As lord Tebbit said Gordon Brown is a tax cheat.
@Thepnr
Aye Thepnr they all fall by the wayside after a few hours.
Waiting to see Broon, Darling and the rest fall. That will make my day!
how can he be a tax cheat…hes scottish he doesnt pay tax
@scunnered
“but you have to remember some spineless people are just looking for any excuse to vote no…”
This is true, but I believe a great many more are desperately looking for any excuse to vote Yes. The media are not going to do it for them.
Therefore it’s up to you and I. Let’s get busy scunnered. The people of this country will decide it’s destiny, not Westminster if we all make the effort during these last four weeks.
You know the arguments now for Independence, you know the truth and the possibilities it offers. Make it your full time job to tell the rest of our people.
Brilliant Marcia 🙂
Been waiting on it for days (was supposed to be out on Monday)
I have the DVD, but want loads of folk to see it.
Is anyone surprised? The man can’t even tell the truth about his own name!
I see Kezia Dugdale and co are becoming even more obsessed with Alex Salmond! It is becoming more and more creepy, you get the distinct impression that Dugdale in particular might even start stalking the FM…. What a bunch of utter twats.
link to twitter.com
I took my dug to the groomers this afternoon and she told me info I had given her resulted in a few more Yessers.
I gave her some more flyers today and will drop off a wwb next week.
On my way home I saw a large YES poster on the door of a local hardware shop. I was fair chuffed.
Re oil running out – This video is on Peter Bell’s blog.
link to youtube.com
He is a fish moothed bastart
Scottish yes voters trend in the UK with ‘#yesbecause’ Twitter drive.
link to thedrum.com
Sorry for the off-topic but if those interested in helping out with the referendum related duties such as overseeing counts, etc. would make it to the Off Topic thread that’d be great. 🙂
Just back from shop and had a chat with an old friend who had moved away.
A YESSER so no need to convert. We are getting the message out and folk are hearing. As we get to 18th more will come. I can sense the change in a few now. Wishing we could vote now and it will be done and dusted. Freedom.
Twitter is going crazy – Who believes the polls now. The young team are letting the whole world know why they will vote YES. Good on them.
What a miserable dour lot the NO campaign are. Negativity on this scale can only work FOR us . Most , i feel, have issues with themselves. How they can vote for a union with Brown and the like completely amazes me. Some folk are just born stupid.
I wonder if Gordon brown like his fellow m.p.murphy is a friend of Israel they are certainly no friends of Scotland Vote yes
@thepnr
i totally agree theres a lot of people looking for an excuse to vote yes,thats why im so glad for this site and the wee blue book….everyday i try and tell people about the lies and point them to this site…but all the effort everybody puts in is totally wiped out by people like broon
no oil,no gas,no wind,no rain,no tax,no whisky,no waves…no marmalade or shortbread lol…even the haggis are jumping across the border in there wee world
Cyc @ 3:31
They sold themselves out for their bank balances. That’s presuming they had something to sell out in the first place, or maybe like Douglas Alexander and Alistair Darling too, Labour was their only way to get on to the ladder of personal advancement, since they knew they’d never get elected as Blue Tories. What better than stand as a Red Tory?
Sorry to go o.t . But as I have said before the polls are only the intentions of the people asked they are not the intensions of the whole of Scotland but the pollsters would like you to think that it is, as I say they are only fooling themselves do not be taken in by them vote yes
Who is this man? What has he turned into?
Knew good old Gordie when he was a Tutor at Edinburgh Uni in the 1970’s. He was labour thru and thru. Now you can’t tell who’s Labour, Tory or demented.
He should be ashamed of himself.
O/T
Here is the Wood report, page 3 paragraph 7 at the bottom **24 BILLION** barrels of oil.
link to woodreview.co.uk
AndyC@6.10 You have no idea how close to the truth you are? Read your words again for the clue. Him and George Robertson allegedly had connections with Thomas Hamilton.
Stephen.
Channel 4 news just took a big Jon Snow poop on Salmond again. Scotland’s 2 nuclear power stations are staying open until 2023 but Scotland will apparently be totally green energy by 2020, so AlixSamin is liar. Ian Grey looks like he’s a loony bin escapee though.
C4 news is not pro Scottish democracy at all, everywhere else is great, Scotland its bad.
Uncle Bob – don’t think Brown was Labour to the hilt, unless you mean that the Labour Party was his preferred vehicle to personal enrichment. Of course, Labour and personal enrichment seem always to have gone hand in hand, just like Tory and personal enrichment, or Liberal and…. (you get the picture). Check out Brown’s ‘charity’ or Cherry Blair’s private healthcare company.
We shouldn’t mock him. The poor man is confused, and doesn’t know where he is most of the time.
The last time he was lost, he told a concerned journalist that he was from North Britain.
Wandering the streets in your jammies is bad enough for the likes of us, but for an ex PM to be wandering about talking in tongues?
I blame his nursing staff.
No wonder our economy went down the swanny if that eejit was in charge.
Sorry to go off topic but could you all bombard Channel 4 about this article ?
link to blogs.channel4.com
I have left a comment but it is in moderation atm. There are no other comments but I have said that I will no longer be watching channel 4 as it is now apparent that they are a Tory mouthpiece.
And now Channel 4 news chatting to future teamGB big shot Nigel Farage. Monster AlicSamin, boost up Nigel Farage. Is teamGB trying to get us to vote UKIP much.
Anyone with a brain knows that Broon is at it. He knows that we know but couldn’t give a stuff.
I’m not exactly sure what his game is but I suspect a red cloak and a hint of ermine is at the back of it.
He’s just playing at politics now and is merely ‘sooking up’ to the guys that hand out the gongs; he wants into the big boys’ gang.
deewal
It may be me, but the letters on the C4 site don’t quite look kosher
Someone who is more familiar with the stationery of the Scottish Government should have a look
C4 is just like the Guardian: the home of self-righteous lefties, except on the issue of Scotland’s independence when it turns into the mouthpiece of right-wing British nationalism. Hypocrites.
What a Channel 4 ‘scoop’ on secret letters.
They could of course have just read the published policy of the Scottish Govt as reported more than 2 years ago.
link to bbc.com
But that 3bn is at the moment being pooled and shared with the whole UK without any other revenue either, so surely if it all comes to us we will be better and rUK will be completely without any income i.e. bust.
What an idiot he is and anyone who believes his lies.
The money raised in Scotland is £60Billion. (UK) Old Age Pensions is £6 Billion. Scotland has to pay UK Treasury £3Billion (surplus). £4Billion debt repayment on money Scoyland doesn’t borrow or spend. Scotland could save £1.5Billion on illegal wars/redundant weaponryTrident and £1.5Billion on a tax on ‘loss leading’ cheap alcohol. = £10Billion enough for higher pensions.
Gordon Brown is a disgrace. Where is the Chilcott Verdict?
It is the ease with which Brown spouts his dishonest dissembling. that make me suspect there might be more than a touch of the sociopath about this one.
Edward
The whole thing is a smear. They have not posted my comment either. I suppose it was a bit too strong calling them a mouthpiece of Westminster. Could someone else comment and see if it gets posted. That Michael Crick is a real little shit.
What a sad man.
Shunned, ridiculed and disliked for being an egotistical so-n-so at Kirkcaldy High School 40 years ago…
Some things never change.
Leopards/spots etc.
@ deewal. I posted a short reasonably polite comment 5 minutes ago. Nothing yet. It’s just another personal attack on Salmond from the MSM. It will backfire like all the other personal attacks on AS.
The £11Billion? NHS Bill is paid out of the £26Billion Block Grant. So is education, legal system etc.
The Bank of America has just been fined £10B for the Financial meltdown. Can Flipper and Brown tell me when I will get back the 33% I lost from my pension Fund
Considering how MSM have been up to their necks in lies and attacks on Alex Salmond since this whole thing started perhaps we ought to change the name from Referendum to ‘the Smear Test’.
Regarding the sharing of sterling currency. Has AS not checked the history of our beloved pound? Since 1945 it has pegged to the US dollar with US lender of last resort, begging IMF to prop up sterling twice, then pegged to deutschmark, then to euro via ERM and finally floating in 1997. Yet according to AD these options would be a disaster for Scotland. WTF.
he was also a key architectural figure, as is new labour in general, in NHS privatization.
establishing the PFI, NHS millstone, and privatization framework.
as is discussed in dr lucy reynolds youtube vid, on the health and social care bill/act.
It’s lucky there’s a Gent’s toilet behind him for the crap he is shovelling.
Well if anyone would like to be there to see for themselves, they can. There’s a United with Labour evening with Gordon Brown, Alex Rowley and Margaret Curran at Beath High School, Cowdenbeath next Thursday at 6.30.
“To reserve your space” Tel. 07502319561
Shame evil man scaring the old people shame
link to gov.uk
Table 1 £42bn tax just to start with 2012/13
I’ve always suspected that the reason Brown and Darling will do anything to prolong this charade is that they both, as chancellor, had access to the full set of books. If and when independance comes the nation is going to be shocked by amount of money that has been flowing south for decades.
They are complicit in the theft of Scotland’s wealth and are hastily trying to prevent the truth coming out.
How any of the muppets listening to that could applaude sickens me.
Dan Huil
Well well. They posted my comment and yours and Andy M’s.
I’m in shock.
Mr Salmond has been smeared and abused by the london media and london establishment for over a decade yet he still won a majority at holyrood. I believe most reasonable scots see this as anti scottish propaganda and stand by our first minister.
Nelliejean @4:02
Sorry,you’ll have to join the back of the queue.. Currently 10 miles north of Inverness .
@Donald
The problem is from the doorsteps, just come back from a lot, the elderly Noes will not discuss the issue no matter how much you try. There are none so blind as those who will not see, no matter what.
The number of times I have pointed out to people that they don’t need to like Alex Salmond to vote Yes, that they can vote for who they like after a Yes vote. But they are not interested.
The saddest was an old guy sitting in a wheelchair who had been a Yes until the last debate but was now a No. He was SNP too. Eck had better perform on Monday.
On Wednesday’s canvassing others said they encountered Yes voters who had dropped from 10s to 7s after the debate. He disappointed a lot of people. It is by no means everyone, just pockets, but there are people out there he lost.
Still, shored up a couple of undecideds and persuaded one young mother she should definitely vote and why, she was not going to. I’ve registered a few Yes voters as well. All shoulders to the wheel in the final stretch. We can still win this. No rest until the 19th (be too tense to sleep with the counts coming in on the night of the 18th).
Here is tomorrow’s news: Now a Hammerblow for Salmond as More than 100 business leaders with Scottish operations are plotting to speak out against independence for the first time.
link to telegraph.co.uk
The social security bill includes pensions.
22 billion for pensions, unemployed etc..
11 billion for NHS.
6 billion for Education.
=37 billion.
@gerry parker says: 21 August, 2014 at 3:42 pm:
“I just got my “Why Independence will be the best thing for generations” booklet through the door. I hope those people clapping at the idiot Brown take the time to read it.”
Oh! There’s still some of the old Labour, “Collie Dug”, voters around in Fife. The story was that if it had a Labour Rosette on its collar then these folk in Fife would vote for it. Thing was it was really true but not as the joker intended. It was because the Collie Dug was a bit more intelligent that the other candidates,(and a lot more useful).
I kid you not – one of them I’ve known to speak to for 50 years walks past my gate at least every day while walking his dog. This particular day he came past as I was talking to my English neighbour, (married to a Scottish woman), who was asking me about Scottish independence. The dog walker stood a few moments then stuck his nose in. You tell him Bob why we will never be independent it’s all Labour here in Fife.
My neighbour said, “Oh! Bob’s not Labour. That’s why I’m picking his brains”. The Dog walkers said, “He’s shairly no a Tory”? My neighbour said, “No Bob’s always been SNP”. At this the Dog Walker spat at my feet, said, “NLOODY SNP”, (loudly), and stomped off. He crosses the road now when he gets near my gate and turns and walks away if I’m walking towards him. My English neighbour was most unimpressed. He, (the English Neighbour), is now a soft YES and his wife is a definite YES.
I think what I pointed out to him a couple of days ago might firm up his resolve. He has a disabled son and I asked him if he thought the services the son got would be safer under an independent Scottish Government or under a Westminster one.
Beanstalk
deduct pensions as they are already paid for.
Yes, off topic I know but the number of No Thanks signs in my area is very annoying rather than worrying.
The thing is, they all seem to be located in the grounds of very large houses and the fields of “gentlemen” farmers.
Why is this?
The curious aspect to Brown’s character is how much he was loathed and ridiculed as a Prime Minsiter by the British establishment, yet here he is enthusiastically doing their dirty work – with a modicum of Brown sauce to make it seem he isn’t a full fan.
And then we have the even odder elevation of him by the press as a politician held in high regard in Scotland, the man to turn the tide of national pride to national cringe. Both he and they are seriously deluded.
Re. the elderly not wishing to debate the ‘truth’ (see above), supplied to them by the BBC and MSM. Apparently humans would not have been able to socialise as a species, without our particular brain chemistry being the way it is. In particular, the normalcy bias, which works through cognitive dissonance, to reward the individual with a chemical buzz if they maintain belief in the status quo.
link to en.wikipedia.org
@ Icy Spark
Does anybody really care what these “Captains of Industry” think? I would like them to go now. If they are so hostile to a prosperous and fair society in Scotland then they should get out now and find a sufficiently corrupt country they would feel comfortable in. There would be plenty of decent companies who could move in and fill the gap.
I refuse to click on the Torygraff link. Ah well another 100 to boycott…
There must be some serious bribes, monetary or otherwise, flying around.
Democracy my arse.
USA banks planning to leave London if UK leaves EU?!
post this up as you do not here much about it in ref campaign. It shows there is no certainty over future and we must always remember the simple rules of economics.
Does Scotland have stuff that the world will buy?
Yes
Will they pay us for it?
Yes
In what currency?
Any currency we want.
link to ft.com
beanstalk
jsa for the whole of uk is just £5.9bn pa..you’d think it was trillions by the way they bang on about it!
link to ukpublicspending.co.uk
I’m not suggesting the elderly are a bunch of ‘buzz heads’ 🙂 . Rather that they will probably not have access to the information that would be required to overcome their in-built psychological desire to remain part of the dominant group.
LIES, DAMN LIES AND GORDON BROWN’S STATISTICS
The Labour Party, Brown, Darling, Lamont et al are now politically and morally bankrupt and are desperately gambling on the only strategic device they have left in their armoury, their ultimate deterrent : Weapons of Mass Deception.
They hope that if they chuck enough excrement at Scottish voters, some of it will stick. Project Fear, Project Smear and now finally, Project Brown Goebblesdegook.
Interesting revelations about Ian Wood on Newsnet Scotland
link to newsnetscotland.com
Apologies for going O/T and if this is repeating what someone may have posted already. I haven’t checked, the dug needs to get out for a walk so I’m dashing out.
The ‘Scotland Yet’ feature film by Jack and Chris that we’ve all seen trailers to and some have watched at various screenings around the country is now available to watch for free over on vimeo, here’s a link.
Our very own Rev Stu has a cameo, the handsome fella.
1hr and 12min of political hope, enjoy it.
Oh, and if any of you guys are on twitter, get the word out.
I read this article and many of the comments and thought surely Brown cannae be that bad. Then I braved watching the clip! He’s awful. Who in the world is so thick that they think Scotland’s only revenue is from oil. I can’t believe he got a clap for that.
So Scotland raises just £3bn in taxes but spends £40bn – so is subsidised to the tune of £37bn by Westminster – about the size of their defence budget..wow think of all the useless aircraft carriers, nukes and wars sponging Scotland is preventing by “pooling” that resource away from rich England, give yourselves a big pat on the back folks and a thumbs up for the Union!
Just – went onto The Telegraph website to read the article about the 100 business leaders warning against independence. Jesus there are some vile people commenting. Huge chips on their shoulders about Scotland. Quite disturbing.
The more I read that sort of stuff the more I wish we HAD given them a vote in the referendum.
The elderly are certainly a target vote – if only to turn “No”s into “Won’t Vote”. It’s terrifying to think the country’s long-term future lies in the hands of people whose own future is short-term.
The “think of your grandchildren” tactic is quite effective.
I note one or two references on here to the Senior Citizen Noes.
I am a member of a retirement organisation here in Ayrshire and it is so infuriating, whenever the forthcoming referendum comes up, to see so-many other members, absolutely determined, in spite of having their spurious argumetns dismantled, turn round and say: “Maybe aye, but, I’ll still be voting No”.
Also, I can confirm that so-many others in this age group will acknowledge the faults and lies from BT, but tell you: “Ay still canny vote for that Alex Salmond”.
I somply don’t know what can be done against such closed minds.
Jim Sillars’ “90-minute patriots” are still amongst us.
Anent Broon. He was born in East Renfrewshire, but spent his formative years in Govan, where his faither was a minister. Broon was also a Sergeant in the BB.
That’s a classic “Hun” upbringing; No Surrender, We Arra Peepul, etc. And, as we all know, the Greater Orange, Knuckle-dragging Hun isn’t the sharpest knife in the box.
Capella @ 9:27pm
Absolutely! I think people need to remember that this is exactly how the capitalist market that ‘captains of industry’ love so much works. If these business leaders don’t like what Scotland becomes, they can buzz off and others will appear in their place. Basic supply and demand.
What a Channel 4 ‘scoop’ on secret letters.
They were very Severin Carrellish tonight. The actual story is a completely green Scotland by 2020! Then the common sense of keeping nuclear power going in case and for 3 years BUT Channel 4 merely shat on Holyrood or rather SNP Holyrood again for contrived hypocrisy and Ian Grey getting a free kick all to himself.
What a relief to see the back of the teamGB media freak show Wonder if Jon Snow cares if half of Scotland thinks he’s an arse.
So EVERYTHING they say is a lie? I’ve been saying this every day about them since records began..
Thought I might do a bit of stirring with the UK Government’s actions in the indyref. Checked the rules thoroughly. The Scottish Government is bound by very strict rules, but the UKG must only agree in principle to play fair, but it all depends on that foreign word to them ‘integrity’. If they break the rules it is only a moral breach, and nothing can be done.
One possible solution about the ‘oldies’. Our Bridge Club plays in the community room of one of the town’s AgeConcern centres. I have printed out an abridged version of the WBB in A4 – intro and Chapter HOME. That takes car of their main moans, may catch them in bulk, and in print they can read easily. Hoping that I can just leave them on the information table; then will test the water for responses, and go in one lunch club day, and deal with any questions. Not all ‘grannies’ and ‘grandpas’ are ‘noes’, but most are, and I would think if I got at least a third DK/NOes into our camp, it would be worthwhile extending to the local sheltered housing blocks and care homes.
Just an idea…….
borders in democracy are the hardest to break down once erected.
since thatcher those borders to democracy have been hardened to be as granite, a 10 fold increase in scale.
borders that have isolated individuals for so long now we have accepted them as a normality.
this active yes campaign has awoken the urgency of people to break those borders down, they now begin to dissolve before our very eyes.
@Bugger (the Panda) says: 21 August, 2014 at 4:15 pm:
“The man is either lying or mentally ill, and believes the shite he utters.”
Well BtP, I’ve known Brown for a very long time. Even from before he was selected as a prospective candidate. My impression of him then was he was a very intelligent man.
He most certainly is not like that same man now. Nor has he been so for a long time. You may be very much closer to the truth than you think you are.
@heedtracker
The British establishment is only concerned about winning. This includes the MSM as well. They are employing a scorched earth policy; they want to keep their careers and perks at almost any cost. That is all they are interested in. They are not concerned at all about showing any respect to independence representatives and supporters. Nor do they care about any damage they do to Scotland, or the democratic process in general. These people have no political principles or morals at all. They have demonstrated that time after time since May 2011, when we knew there would be a referendum on independence.
PETTY BUT TRUE… kinda related
The guy running our local Yes shop was having to measure a distance of 1.8m on the pavement outside the premises because the local council had told him his sign had to leave that exact amount of space for pedestrians to pass.
Strangely this part of the street has had several similar signs on the selfsame patch of pavement for many years but suddenly now the Yes shop is open there has been ‘complaints’.
SHOCK, HORROR!
Anyway, during this process, an angry looking elderly woman with a frowny face and awkward gait shouted (something abusive) our way from accross the street. Fortunately, or otherwise a lorry thundered past so we couldn’t hear.
Puir wee sowel then scurried aff up the lane looking scared.
Aye Gordon, hope yer proud o yerself man.
I made a dreadful mistake. I was eating a sandwich just as I started watching this slobbering fat lying sack of sh**. At 59 seconds, said sandwich ended up decorating the mantle mirror. I NEVER behave like that. I was so infuriated – and sickened. Ah, well, I’d lost my appetite anyhow.
@muttley79 says: 10:53 pm
Spot on Muttlley. The interesting thing is what happens in the event of a very close result in the negative. Are the establishment just going to shut their eyes hands over their ears and carry on?
Will be very interesting.
Looking back at UK history, they don’t have a good record.
They are bunch of…..rude words. Fcuk em. If I can see Im being taken for a fool everyone else can too.
Tonight a EU voter thats moved over here that i drink with said she was voting Yes. I never push it buts she been on my list, so its the worry over the NHS that makes the real difference. Dont privatise Scots NHS basically. That’s me up to three swings from no/DK to Yes, which is not that much after CiFing like a loon sometimes but Margo said change one mind each and its all over:D
Sir Tom Devine on Newsnight referendum special from Edinburgh
muttley79 says:
“you get the distinct impression that Dugdale in particular might even start stalking the FM”
Hehe, I was having fun last night with Kezia
link to twitter.com
Sorry O/T but important
As BB says above, some information and discussion for those interested in helping out with the referendum related duties such as overseeing counts on Off Topic.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
@X Sticks
Dugdale is really, really creepy with this Salmond obsession…
link to facebook.com
If you have not seen this meeting then you realy should. Particularly listen to Phillipa Whiteford when she does her speech she explains more about privatisation of NHS and then listen to the first two questions and her answers about the NHS. That will have a cold shiver running all over you. Frightening.
When she tells you all about T-Tip (i’ve spelt it as she said it) absolutely frightening.
Transatlantic Trading Pand Investment Partnership.
link to euractiv.com
If a country signs up to this and then say has a smoking ban, then the tobacco companies have the right to sue that country for costing the company. This treaty is way more powerful than any country, EU courts etc
@gerry parker says: 21 August, 2014 at 5:55 pm:
“I guess if he gets ermine we could call him Lord Haw Haw.”
Mair lik Laird Hee Haw!
Guys, does anyone know where I can buy the saltire flags with the YES printed on them from? Going to hang a couple out our flat windows!
I may have said this before.
On a personal level I have always got on well with Gordon Brown BUT because of his raid on the pension funds the private pension that I paid into for 35 years – planning it would be enough to pay my fuel bills, the rates/poll tax/community charge and maybe a bit towards Christmas presents – now nets me just about enough to pay one quarterly gas and electric bill with £20 over for a Chinese takeaway for two! Now, I am actually fairly comfortable through other things, but it bugs the hell out of me that I will be well over a 100 before I even get back what I paid in.
Even more, it boils my blood that hundreds of thousands of decent working people who did without wee luxuries to put away a bit for their retirement are having to choose between putting the heating on or having a decent meal because not only was their pension shredded but it is usually just enough to disqualify them from the pretty bluidy inadequate benefits that are available. If I had been in that audience there might have been skin and hair flying!
OT, but I couldn’t resist and these historical events aren’t generally covered in school, are they? Most folk have had their ‘formal’ education by the time they leave school, so their understanding of what mindset has and continues to same Britain’s ‘world leading’ future, is incomplete.
link to listverse.com
I see the metro luvvie prick in charge of channel 4 has managed to give a speech in Edinburgh about the future of TV without a single mention of the word Scotland or Independence. Well done him.
O/T A very interesting interview with the guy from the Adam Smith Institute, he was on STV and BBC2.
The makes the claim that Scotland would be better off using Sterlingisation, like Panama. STV interviewed a top guy in Panama, who informed that they have been doing this system for a 1oo years. He says Scotland should do it, as the A.Smith Inst, does.
Panama is almost spoken about on STV and BBC/ Unionists as something of a banana republic, however it is actually very far from that. STV’s Rhona had to inform us that “well it seems Panama is doing rather er, well!”
Sterlingisation involving aspects of the old Scottish way of Banking seems to be a very doable thing. The Institute says it is ideal for Scotland, and will make the country very stable AND rich. Hmmmm, this will send shivers down Westminster’s back. Great!
I have just been on the herald web site and noticed that the pro independence articles are behind the pay wall while the anti independence can be read in full
Is this my imagination??
@fred blogger says: 21 August, 2014 at 8:48 pm:
“He was also a key architectural figure, as is new labour in general, in NHS privatization.
establishing the PFI, NHS millstone, and privatization framework. As is discussed in dr lucy reynolds youtube vid, on the health and social care bill/act.”
Not to mention that it was Labour that brought in the Bedroom Tax.
Sorry folks….
Most folk have had their ‘formal’ education by the time they leave school, so their understanding of what mindset has and continues to shame Britain’s ‘world leading’ future, is incomplete.
Think Gazza.
@PeeGee –
The Edinburgh Festival has hee-haw to so with Scotland and/or people who live here. It’s an annual sojurn for metropolitan elites who don’t have enough available space to mount anything remotely similar in their own backyard.
Post-Yes, they’ll expect precisely the same deference and, you know what? They’ll get it. (Difference is, they’ll just get it from property-owning Edinburghers, and even then, just for the fortnight.)
@Derrick says: 21 August, 2014 at 8:55 pm:
“Well if anyone would like to be there to see for themselves, they can. There’s a United with Labour evening with Gordon Brown, Alex Rowley and Margaret Curran at Beath High School, Cowdenbeath next Thursday at 6.30.
“To reserve your space” Tel. 07502319561”
The Bad, The worse & the Ugly.
Robert Peffers
and ATOS, the WCA, JSA, ESA, with the birth of brutal sanctions and conditionality.
they also changed DRS contracts, with a big increase in pay, on condition that they did not interfere with political decisions.
@Les Wilson
re Panama, how ironic is this:
“In 2011, Panama found that Darién held oil reserves of more than 900 million barrels, according to a report by consulting company OTS Latin America LLC.”
oops forgot link for that quote:
link to ibtimes.com
@CameronB Brodie says: 21 August, 2014 at 9:41 pm:
“I’m not suggesting the elderly are a bunch of ‘buzz heads’ . Rather that they will probably not have access to the information that would be required to overcome their in-built psychological desire to remain part of the dominant group.”
Cameron, Could you stop with the anti-elderly sweeping generalisation, Please?
Read these comments and you will see many of us are elderly and some, me included, have been SNP or for independence since long before Salmond was born. We were fighting this battle when we were very, very thin on the ground.
The point is that those old folk you are meeting have been Labour, Tory of LibDem for equally long years. A sort of, “My Party – right or wrong”.
Robert Peffers
Robert, I would have thought my comment might have been understood in the context of the ongoing discussion. I meant no offense to yourself or anyone of advancing age. I would apologise, however, no offense was intended.
No hard feelings and I will try to avoid further offense.