The world's most-read Scottish politics website

Wings Over Scotland


Cause and effect

Posted on November 18, 2011 by

All the papers today report on the latest developments over the increasingly doomed-looking Scotland Bill. Perhaps the most telling comment in all of them, though, wanders in unassumingly towards the end of the Herald's piece.

Mr Mundell, the country’s only Tory MSP, said: “I do not believe the Scottish election result earlier this year was a mandate to strengthen this Bill.”

One does tend to get the impression that the Tories still don't see the connection between those two things, and we're going to be so bold as to assert that their electoral prospects are unlikely to improve until they do. Earlier on in the article the Herald's Robbie Dinwoodie notes that "the Westminster Ministers’ repeated riposte was to point to the result of the previous May when the pro-Calman parties won their mandate", which is an underestimation of the Scottish electorate so grave that it all but explains the SNP's landslide in May by itself.

Scottish voters know full well that there's next to no point in electing SNP MPs to Westminster. Even if every single Scottish seat went to the nationalists, they would have almost no chance of achieving or influencing anything, since only twice in the last 50 years (and briefly on both occasions) has the entire block of Scottish MPs held the balance of majority at Westminster. Sending SNP members south serves only to dilute the party's talent base, and while the SNP can never admit this in public and have to put forward a candidate in every seat (because to do otherwise would appear defeatist), it's largely a gesture – the difference in the amount of money and effort the party devotes to Westminster and Holyrood campaigning is huge.

The electorate therefore tends to use its vote tactically against the Tories, and as they can't trust Labour and the SNP to work together against a common enemy – witness Labour's venomous, contemptuous response when the Scottish and Welsh nationalists offered their support for a centre-left coalition in 2010 – Scottish voters in Westminster elections therefore quite reasonably back the biggest of the opposition parties. (It speaks volumes for the degree to which Labour has exhausted the patience of its core vote that even despite this, the SNP have now moved well ahead in the polls for voting intentions at the next UK general election.)

The huffy intransigence of the coalition in the face of the Scottish Parliament's attempts to improve the Scotland Bill – with a cleverly-chosen package of suggestions backed not only by the SNP but variously by all three Holyrood opposition parties – shows how little they've grasped about the reasons for the rise of the nationalists. This stubborn resistance already looks like costing them the Scotland Bill (which in its current form is a sneaky attempt to weaken the Scottish Government by quietly reducing its funding while shifting the blame to Holyrood). If they continue with the see-no-evil-hear-no-evil approach, it may cost them Scotland itself.

2 to “Cause and effect”

  1. ButeHouse says:

    There's a lot more in the way of Intelligence required to do well in Scottish Politics these days and I'm afraid comments like Mr Mundell's do not ogre well for the future of him or his Party.
    Within months of the SNP minority Government taking shape I was calling it Intelligent Government and that has been the key feature all the way through till now. It's pointless attacking them on the legitimacy of what they propose for example because they check everything with the Civil servants and Government Lawyers.
    Being very clever himself Salmond is more than happy to surround himself with other clever people as Ministers and Advisors who all have Scotland's welfare at heart. Thus they are doing more in any 12 month period than any other administration did in its entirity.
    Independence is the goal and few would argue that Salmond will miss hisscoring opportunity when the time comes. VOTE YES.

    Reply
  2. Morag says:

    Scottish voters know full well that there's next to no point in electing SNP MPs to Westminster. Even if every single Scottish seat went to the nationalists, they would have almost no chance of achieving or influencing anything.

    You seriously believe this?  The effect of a thumping block of SNP MPs at Westminster would not be in their voting clout, but in the message their presence would send to both the unionist parties and the people of the rest of the UK.
    At its most extreme, a substantial SNP majority could do exactly what the SNP intended to do with such a mandate pre-devolution, and that is walk out of Westminster and start negotiating.  While the modern, referendum-committed SNP is unlikely to do this, 40+ SNP members in Westminster would be a voice for Scotland that would really be heard.  If they were treated to the demeaning schoolboy tricks regularly meted out to the present six, and denied major representation on relevant committees, there would be hell to pay.  That sort of representation would be a game-changer way beyond the simple arithmetic.
    I'd like nothing better right now than for the coalition to fall smack on its arse and for a UK general election to be called.  If the Scots handed the SNP a significant Westminster majority to match their holyrood majority, it would be game over for the union.

    Reply


Comment - please read this page for comment rules. HTML tags like <i> and <b> are permitted. Use paragraph breaks in long comments. DO NOT SIGN YOUR COMMENTS, either with a name or a slogan. If your comment does not appear immediately, DO NOT REPOST IT. Ignore these rules and I WILL KILL YOU WITH HAMMERS.


  • About

    Wings Over Scotland is a thing that exists.

    Stats: 6,980 Posts, 1,251,531 Comments

  • Recent Posts

  • Archives

  • Categories

  • Tags

  • Recent Comments

    • Fearghas MacFhionnlaigh on His Majesty’s Loyal Sabre: “University of Edinburgh CELTIC AND SCOTTISH STUDIES Intro Webpage https://llc.ed.ac.uk/celtic-scottish-studiesSep 21, 22:57
    • Hatey McHateface on A Thousand Islands In The Sea: “Careful there, Alf. You should fire off a message of congratulations to poot for his overwhelming victory in the elections…Sep 21, 22:53
    • Hatey McHateface on His Majesty’s Loyal Sabre: “Ah, Bilbo, if you weren’t such a fucking arse, you’d be worth debating with. There’s absolutely nothing stopping you from…Sep 21, 22:43
    • A2 on His Majesty’s Loyal Sabre: “I’m betting she’ll be in the next series of celebrity Traitors.Sep 21, 22:38
    • sarah on His Majesty’s Loyal Sabre: “🙂 🙂Sep 21, 22:36
    • Bilbo on His Majesty’s Loyal Sabre: “@ Spartan Spartan 117 Like this imaginary one: https://archive.is/qyISB Europe is under attack from three sides … … The continent…Sep 21, 22:17
    • Alf Baird on A Thousand Islands In The Sea: “All UN Member States are not only entitled to support the right of Scots to self-determination, there is the obligation…Sep 21, 21:52
    • Spartan 117 on His Majesty’s Loyal Sabre: “Correct, but don’t let trivial things like facts and logic get in the way of a good unhinged rant.Sep 21, 21:50
    • Spartan 117 on His Majesty’s Loyal Sabre: “Right, so I’ve been imagining all those hysterical MSM articles then, all these past few months, like that Star Trek…Sep 21, 21:49
    • Fearghas MacFhionnlaigh on His Majesty’s Loyal Sabre: “‘An Act of Monumental Cultural and Educational Vandalism’ (Mike Small, BellaCaledonia, 21 Sept 2026) « “There is a loss of…Sep 21, 21:43
    • Red on His Majesty’s Loyal Sabre: “It’s been known as the welfare state since Beveridge.Sep 21, 21:33
    • Red on His Majesty’s Loyal Sabre: “Nicola Sturgeon has always been a hairy wee thespian.Sep 21, 21:28
    • PhilMacVee on His Majesty’s Loyal Sabre: “Is it an indicator that Nicola can deliver lines in a drama? She doesn’t seem to mind who is the…Sep 21, 21:14
    • Hatey McHateface on His Majesty’s Loyal Sabre: “@ Bilbo says: 21 September, 2026 at 8:27 pm “Do you believe that the UK will be militarily attacked by…Sep 21, 21:13
    • Bilbo on A Thousand Islands In The Sea: “Another example of how misguided the Trade unions are now. https://archive.is/JrGXt According to the below article, there is already work…Sep 21, 21:03
    • Hatey McHateface on His Majesty’s Loyal Sabre: “Very true, Alf. One of the giveaways by which we recognise the culturally and linguistically colonised is when they insist…Sep 21, 20:50
    • Willie on His Majesty’s Loyal Sabre: “My my my, and just how this wee dragon from Dreghorn cuts a new path with the London set. Free…Sep 21, 20:47
    • Spartan 117 on His Majesty’s Loyal Sabre: “Probably to deter the usual headbangers who post lengthy diatribes following their daily raid on the COSHH cabinet and subsequent…Sep 21, 20:29
    • Bilbo on His Majesty’s Loyal Sabre: “Aye Hatey, you’re a slippery one when you want to be 🙂 Okay, lets look at it this way. The…Sep 21, 20:27
    • Spartan 117 on His Majesty’s Loyal Sabre: “@Hatey – yes they have. Even the most glib media browser will not have failed to notice over the past…Sep 21, 20:25
    • Alf Baird on His Majesty’s Loyal Sabre: ““It’s cultural and linguistic colonialism. It’s everywhere in Scotland and it’s ingrained in the populace” Weel spattit Hatey, keep up…Sep 21, 20:21
    • Hatey McHateface on A Thousand Islands In The Sea: ““What side of that conflict does Liberate Scotland sit on?” Once it has been compromised, I guess it will be…Sep 21, 20:10
    • M.E on His Majesty’s Loyal Sabre: “I missed when she was going to be making no further statements.Sep 21, 20:01
    • Hatey McHateface on His Majesty’s Loyal Sabre: ““At the very least, it says it will be Autumn this year” What will be in autumn this year? You…Sep 21, 19:57
    • Bilbo on His Majesty’s Loyal Sabre: “At the very least, it says it will be Autumn this year. It’s Autumn now, where are the signs of…Sep 21, 19:37
    • Aidan on A Thousand Islands In The Sea: “@Alf – would you like to comment on a key member of Liberate Scotland working closely with the Ru**ian state?…Sep 21, 19:31
    • Aidan on His Majesty’s Loyal Sabre: “@RevStu – it’s a bit restrictive that Ru**ia is a term that attracts a pre-mod on a post on this…Sep 21, 19:26
    • Hatey McHateface on His Majesty’s Loyal Sabre: “As so many of “the poor” consist of those impoverished millions and their dependents who have flooded into the country…Sep 21, 19:24
    • Alf Baird on A Thousand Islands In The Sea: “Most countries are rightly not too keen on allowing trade unions based in other countries to influence their national policies.Sep 21, 19:14
    • Hatey McHateface on His Majesty’s Loyal Sabre: ““There’s been articles in the likes of the Mail that the country she is referring to as the enemy is…Sep 21, 19:11
  • A tall tale



↑ Top