The world's most-read Scottish politics website

Wings Over Scotland


Cause and effect

Posted on November 18, 2011 by

All the papers today report on the latest developments over the increasingly doomed-looking Scotland Bill. Perhaps the most telling comment in all of them, though, wanders in unassumingly towards the end of the Herald's piece.

Mr Mundell, the country’s only Tory MSP, said: “I do not believe the Scottish election result earlier this year was a mandate to strengthen this Bill.”

One does tend to get the impression that the Tories still don't see the connection between those two things, and we're going to be so bold as to assert that their electoral prospects are unlikely to improve until they do. Earlier on in the article the Herald's Robbie Dinwoodie notes that "the Westminster Ministers’ repeated riposte was to point to the result of the previous May when the pro-Calman parties won their mandate", which is an underestimation of the Scottish electorate so grave that it all but explains the SNP's landslide in May by itself.

Scottish voters know full well that there's next to no point in electing SNP MPs to Westminster. Even if every single Scottish seat went to the nationalists, they would have almost no chance of achieving or influencing anything, since only twice in the last 50 years (and briefly on both occasions) has the entire block of Scottish MPs held the balance of majority at Westminster. Sending SNP members south serves only to dilute the party's talent base, and while the SNP can never admit this in public and have to put forward a candidate in every seat (because to do otherwise would appear defeatist), it's largely a gesture – the difference in the amount of money and effort the party devotes to Westminster and Holyrood campaigning is huge.

The electorate therefore tends to use its vote tactically against the Tories, and as they can't trust Labour and the SNP to work together against a common enemy – witness Labour's venomous, contemptuous response when the Scottish and Welsh nationalists offered their support for a centre-left coalition in 2010 – Scottish voters in Westminster elections therefore quite reasonably back the biggest of the opposition parties. (It speaks volumes for the degree to which Labour has exhausted the patience of its core vote that even despite this, the SNP have now moved well ahead in the polls for voting intentions at the next UK general election.)

The huffy intransigence of the coalition in the face of the Scottish Parliament's attempts to improve the Scotland Bill – with a cleverly-chosen package of suggestions backed not only by the SNP but variously by all three Holyrood opposition parties – shows how little they've grasped about the reasons for the rise of the nationalists. This stubborn resistance already looks like costing them the Scotland Bill (which in its current form is a sneaky attempt to weaken the Scottish Government by quietly reducing its funding while shifting the blame to Holyrood). If they continue with the see-no-evil-hear-no-evil approach, it may cost them Scotland itself.

2 to “Cause and effect”

  1. ButeHouse says:

    There's a lot more in the way of Intelligence required to do well in Scottish Politics these days and I'm afraid comments like Mr Mundell's do not ogre well for the future of him or his Party.
    Within months of the SNP minority Government taking shape I was calling it Intelligent Government and that has been the key feature all the way through till now. It's pointless attacking them on the legitimacy of what they propose for example because they check everything with the Civil servants and Government Lawyers.
    Being very clever himself Salmond is more than happy to surround himself with other clever people as Ministers and Advisors who all have Scotland's welfare at heart. Thus they are doing more in any 12 month period than any other administration did in its entirity.
    Independence is the goal and few would argue that Salmond will miss hisscoring opportunity when the time comes. VOTE YES.

    Reply
  2. Morag says:

    Scottish voters know full well that there's next to no point in electing SNP MPs to Westminster. Even if every single Scottish seat went to the nationalists, they would have almost no chance of achieving or influencing anything.

    You seriously believe this?  The effect of a thumping block of SNP MPs at Westminster would not be in their voting clout, but in the message their presence would send to both the unionist parties and the people of the rest of the UK.
    At its most extreme, a substantial SNP majority could do exactly what the SNP intended to do with such a mandate pre-devolution, and that is walk out of Westminster and start negotiating.  While the modern, referendum-committed SNP is unlikely to do this, 40+ SNP members in Westminster would be a voice for Scotland that would really be heard.  If they were treated to the demeaning schoolboy tricks regularly meted out to the present six, and denied major representation on relevant committees, there would be hell to pay.  That sort of representation would be a game-changer way beyond the simple arithmetic.
    I'd like nothing better right now than for the coalition to fall smack on its arse and for a UK general election to be called.  If the Scots handed the SNP a significant Westminster majority to match their holyrood majority, it would be game over for the union.

    Reply


Comment - please read this page for comment rules. HTML tags like <i> and <b> are permitted. Use paragraph breaks in long comments. DO NOT SIGN YOUR COMMENTS, either with a name or a slogan. If your comment does not appear immediately, DO NOT REPOST IT. Ignore these rules and I WILL KILL YOU WITH HAMMERS.


  • About

    Wings Over Scotland is a thing that exists.

    Stats: 6,975 Posts, 1,250,124 Comments

  • Recent Posts

  • Archives

  • Categories

  • Tags

  • Recent Comments

    • agentx on Anything But That: ““JOHN Swinney has said he will probe whether the Scottish Legal Aid Board was right to fund a case by…Sep 1, 15:14
    • James Che on Haven’t had a dream in a long time: “Lorncal. True the old empire is dying and England will become a hell hole to reside in unless of course…Sep 1, 14:52
    • Hatey Mchateface on Anything But That: “I heard about a story yesterday, I believe by Sartre, about a trio of progressive, lefty politicos who were sentenced…Sep 1, 14:49
    • Hatey McHateface on Anything But That: “Yer maw needs to tak yer smutty picture books awa – force ye tae learn tae read. How about if…Sep 1, 14:41
    • Effijy on Anything But That: “SNP policy has put a raft of weak candidates into office thinking somehow every walk of life should be represented…Sep 1, 14:31
    • James Che on Haven’t had a dream in a long time: “Westminster or the EU cannot convert a named Country in a 1707 treaty, into a region in the same treaty…Sep 1, 14:28
    • Mark Beggan on Anything But That: “‘If Hitler invaded hell..’Sep 1, 14:00
    • James on Anything But That: ““My interpretation of the consensus from the BTL comments on the last thread is that Swinney’s playing a blinder by…Sep 1, 13:59
    • James Che on Haven’t had a dream in a long time: “England however did not make a treaty with a region, remember that,Sep 1, 13:51
    • Mark Beggan on Anything But That: “Reforms membership is now at 12,000 and rising. Who says Reform want to do a deal? The time the election…Sep 1, 13:51
    • am firinn on Anything But That: “I never thought I might be recommending Mr Churchill to Mr Swinney, for I have no time for Mr Churchill,…Sep 1, 13:45
    • Spartan 117 on Anything But That: “No matter how much Honest John and the other Fabians stamp their feet, if Reform form the next UK government…Sep 1, 13:45
    • James Che on Haven’t had a dream in a long time: “Staying with what STU has posted in relationship to referendums, Scotlands as a Sovereign Country has every right to hold…Sep 1, 13:37
    • Hatey McHateface on Anything But That: ““Swinney has now dismissed every possible route to [Indy] out of hand” Hmmm. Is that bad? My interpretation of the…Sep 1, 13:35
    • Hatey McHateface on Haven’t had a dream in a long time: “Not much to argue with there. As always, I query the “settled assumption” that once things start to fission, the…Sep 1, 13:25
    • Morgatron on Anything But That: “Swinney is a true fascist, refuses in democracy and working with other democratically voted parties. A total arse wipe of…Sep 1, 13:18
    • Hatey McHateface on Haven’t had a dream in a long time: “Naw, MH. The rate per word posting on here is too good. Plus unlimited double rate over the weekend. Also,…Sep 1, 13:13
    • Chas on Haven’t had a dream in a long time: “I think I have seen similar shite like this on Wings previously. Mind you, only 10,563 times. It never ends.Sep 1, 13:05
    • James on Haven’t had a dream in a long time: “He’s doing his job; on here. Distract, divert, divide. All day, every day.Sep 1, 13:04
    • Lorncal on Haven’t had a dream in a long time: “The thing that all independence-supporting people need to realise is that England itself, and England-as-the-UK, has changed dramatically in the…Sep 1, 12:58
    • James on Haven’t had a dream in a long time: “That sounds good, but it’s not right. Obviously. “Next!”Sep 1, 12:54
    • laukat on Haven’t had a dream in a long time: “It was in relation to the SG announcement that they cut the number of Health Boards from 14 to 2.…Sep 1, 12:45
    • Minceheid on Haven’t had a dream in a long time: “Hatey McHateface says: 1 September, 2026 at 12:11 pm That being the case, with the tax take just about maxxed…Sep 1, 12:26
    • Hatey McHateface on Haven’t had a dream in a long time: ““another distraction from the matter of the day” I couldn’t work out what the matter of the day is from…Sep 1, 12:11
    • laukat on Haven’t had a dream in a long time: “All the talk of how to get to an Indyref is I feel another distraction from the matter of the…Sep 1, 11:50
    • James Che on Haven’t had a dream in a long time: “If Scotland is being treated illegally by Westminster and the EU as a devolved region of England then the Nation…Sep 1, 11:46
    • Hatey Mchateface on Haven’t had a dream in a long time: ““Still waiting for another real leader to emerge who will unite the movement” Wow! You have the difficulty in clear…Sep 1, 11:28
    • Hatey McHateface on Haven’t had a dream in a long time: “Phew, Alf, you’ll have had a narrow escape. Back in May I predicted your comfort zone would consist of another…Sep 1, 11:20
    • James Che on Haven’t had a dream in a long time: “Alf, Indeed, But we will be advised that one part of the 1707 treaty is applicable but not the bits…Sep 1, 11:16
    • James Che on Haven’t had a dream in a long time: “They say that it is the 1707 treaty of union, its terms, conditions and articles that binds Scotland and England…Sep 1, 10:51
  • A tall tale



↑ Top