Wings Over Scotland

This proves the SNP hierarchy do not communicate with each other. I watched the full interview and it was a car crash from Brown. He is all over the place. I noticed he didn’t like direct questions but the most important point is he doesn’t have a clue what to do next and neither does sturgeon. They have had 8 years to plan for this outcome. They never let their own members debate plan B. They have spent the last few years consumed by gender ideology with the Greens changing names like ‘mother’ to ‘birthing parent’ on the ScotGove maternity policy. They are an absolute disaster as a government and have failed the independence movement!

On a positive note I have made a small donation to Salvo this morning and convinced another local not to vote for Wishart. You get the feeling Nicolas secret plan involves climbing a mountain and throwing snow at yerself.

…their Westminster short money and parlaimentary pensions.

Afraid to lose – and rightfully so based on what they have done for independence over the past 8 years, as exemplified by this idiot.

I know it’s pantomime season, but couldn’t the SNP be bothered to put up someone with a tenth of an idea of what he is supposed to be doing?

I think we should use the English Nationalists, the Brexiteers and such to put pressure on the UK Government to issue a section 30.
I am sending this letter to some left leaning English Papers such as the Daily Express and Daily Mail.
Sir re the Supreme Court hearing on whether the Scottish Government can hold an Independence referendum without permission from Westminster by way of a section 30 order.

The Supreme court in its judgment stated that Scotland was not a Nation as Scotland had been subsumed into the United Kingdom on 1st May 1707.
therefore England is no longer a Nation either, I contacted Roddy Dunlop KC via Twitter , Roddy is the Dean of the Faculty of Advocates and generally held to be the most accomplished advocate in Scotland.
I asked Roddy for his opinion on whether England is also no longer a Nation as it was also subsumed into the United Kingdom on May 1st 1707, he responded by saying “The Legal view, expressed by the LA (Lord Advocate – Scotlands Senior Law Officer) in the Submission to UKSC, (UK Supreme Court) is that neither party to the union survived, as a legal entity, following the Act of 1707. applies to England just as it applies to Scotland.”

Therefore the Legal situation as per the UKSC rulling is that England is not a Nation, and therefore as the English are well known worldwide for their sense of fair play, then they should do the honourable thing and Immediately withdraw from the Soccer World Cup in Qatar as the Soccer Team is there under false pretences.

Yeah, tried to watch the video, but some clown has added a music track over it, making it hard to actually hear what is said. Seriosuly we don’t need a music track to make it clear how ridiculous the SNP now are.

Time wasters
Gas lighters
Liars…

Hello, is there anyone out there The UKG has went into hiding because there frightened of the SNP and Indyref2, sorry don’t call indyref2 call it anything else other than indyref2.

@ Taxi for Sturgeon.

In place of Plan A, there is no Plan B.

Why is it that the so called “feminist to my fingertips” is not sitting in that hot chair going through the hard time of answering these hot questions herself?

Isn’t she after all the woeful “leader” responsible for this evident stalling strategy, for the loss of 8 years of Scotland’s time and for the spectacular mismanagement of our anti-union majorities? Isn’t she the one responsible for frustrating independence and for misleading Scotland’s voters for over 6 years?

Is the problem that she cannot have her spin doctors and PR gurus holding her hand while she is on the hot chair and whispering on her ear what she needs to say and when to blink?

Or perhaps that her masters in London are delaying the release of her next script?

Or is it that she is only a feminist when is politically convenient, but when her fake PR image is in danger of crumbling down, she sends the party men as cannon fodder while she hides at the back until the heat has passed?

What kind of leader hides at the back?

Why is it that this coward always throws the men in her party under the bus or sends them to face the difficult questions she does not have the guts to answer herself?

Come on men in the SNP, until when are you going to be on your knees cleaning the almighty political mess this coward is continuously throwing around but fears to clean herself?

After 8 years of embarrassing leadership, isn’t it about time you let this loser face accountability for her own mistakes and you actually start delivering independence rather than pandering to the interests of the UK establishment and its tool?

K Brown, might just start thinking that he made a big mistake becoming deputy, now that Sturgeon passing all the heat of kicking Indy into the long grass on to his shoulders.

Yon lad would surely be thrown out of Holyrood for wearing that tie!

Anyway, I wondered where the Frank McAvennie character from Only an Excuse ended up.

I’m not sure who added the music overlay, but it makes it difficult to watch and listen to what’s actually being said, don’t do that, it discredits the point and makes the video sound childish

People complaining about the song, stop being stupid.

The whole point is that you’ve no need to hear the meaningless drivel being spouted – it’s so much elevator music by this point, a meaningless drone in the background. He’s not telling you anything of any use, because none of it is intended to transpire.

By now, you shouldn’t be wasting your time straining to listen to them.

Johnny, if we are just gonna listen to the music why not put on a video of AC/DC or the Eagles

Mia asks

‘What kind of leader hides at the back?’

One who realises that ‘even the president of the United States sometimes must have to stand naked’?

As the saying goes, if and when Scotland becomes independent, it will be despite the SNP.

The only way forward is a grassroots campaign led by a Ghandi like leader.

I liked the swelling soundtrack. It’s poignant.

Is there enough brass on Nicola’s neck to show her face again

What a total walaper

When the BBC are pushing you to actually do something and call you out for inaction you should know that there is something seriously wrong. It is blatantly obvious what they are doing, growing carrots.

It’s difficult to gauge whether the Irish Parliamentary Party of 1918, which got drubbed at the poles losing 72 of it’s 84 seats was detested by people as much as I now detest the SNP.

I don’t really know my Irish history in enough detail. I know the executions following the 1916 Uprising, the prospect of Irish Conscription during WW1, and women too were allowed to vote had the effect of radicalising the voters to back Sinn Féin, but it’s hard to get a handle on whether the sentiment towards the IPP was anger, disillusion, or simply a switch to a more radical alternative. I suspect it may have been a combination.

I’m curious, because increasingly my feelings towards the SNP are evolving on from exasperation and utter disappointment, to disgust, anger, even hatred.

I despise their cowardice and never ending squirming prevarication. What did Scotland, and Scotland’s YES movement do to end up at the mercy of these crawlers?

The next General Election isn’t going to be a Plebiscite on Independence but a Plebiscite to rid Scotland of these fucking turds and charlatans and start over. That alone is a cause for yet more anger; so much impetus and time wasted waiting for the SNP to act, and still even more time to be wasted getting rid of the useless fuckers troughers.

How can it be rational to wish for Scotland’s Parliament to drive itself into a tree so the embarrassment of Scotland’s FM and SNP Devolutionists are taken out the game and made peripheral to the struggle? Then hope Scotland switches allegiance to a more radical vehicle to deliver progress. It’s nuts, but that’s exactly what I’m actually hoping for.

Truth be known, I worry that the switch isn’t towards more radicalism, as happened when Sinn Féin took the votes away from the IPP, but less, and the nett effect of eight years snivelling SNP “leadership” is a thoroughly despondent electorate who cannot be bothered to vote and cannot be bothered to listen. Scotland just retreats inside it’s shell.

I fucking despise Sturgeon and her lackeys, truly despise them. They’ve done as much harm to Scotland as the fucking Unionists.

All my own faith is now with SALVO and the Scottish National Congress.

I still have faith in ALBA too, but my problem with ALBA is ALBA where? In a Devolved Assembly after Sturgeon has “blessed” Scotland by selling out Scotland’s red Sovereign Claim of Right? Or ALBA at Westminster where the SNP has “blessed” Scotland with the precedent that 56 out of 59 MP’s isn’t enough of a mandate to do anything?

The only place for ALBA needs to be both feet planted in Red Sovereignty, which is neither Holyrood nor Westminster, so where and how do we deploy ALBA? A throwaway resource to spike white sovereignty wherever it’s found? That seems a waste.

Sturgeon’s SNP is so much worse than impotent. In it’s incompetence and constitutional illiteracy it has gifted Westminster noxious unconstitutional precedents which Westminster will not relinquish lightly. Our struggle is ten times harder now. Take a bow Sturgeon, what a sterling effort.

As for the dumb fucks lapping it up? Sturgeon’s playing a blinder??? Where does this degenerate lack of intellect come from? Is it a new phenomenon? I mean at school there were a few whom you knew were going to struggle in life, but for the most part people were more or less sane and got the gist of what was going on.

But Jesus, these Trans fanatics and delinquent deviants are like the fucking Moonies or something, but Society at least had the sense to recognise the Moonies as looney toons and NOT give them a free pass into the mainstream, nevermind a critical struggle for a nation’s independence.

I mean, thank god for feminists who at least seem alert to the threat being posed, but what about the rest of us? Get behind our feminists because it’s our society and the rights of our kids they’re defending, yet they can’t ever wear suffragette ribbons in Scotland’s fragile “Parliament”?

I just wonder if anybody has actually asked Sturgeon if there’s figure on it, and how much she’d take just to resign quietly and fuck off to Outer Mongolia, or anywhere really, as long as it’s the other side of the world.

The current SNP leadership (and most of their MPs and MSPs) seem to be paralysed by fear. And it ain’t just about loosing a plebiscite election or a referendum. Think about it – what the heck would they do if they actually won? They certainly haven’t explained that. Have they thought this through properly? If there’s a cunning plan of action we remain to hear about it. Result? More paralysis. AFRAID TO LOOSE, TERRIFIED TO WIN.

Breeks @ 6.47

Why don’t you say what you really feel ? 🙂

Brilliantly expressed mauling of the nanny goat n her kids , B : I’d be surprised if wasn’t smoke coming off yr computer screen .

I’ve not watched , listened or read anything of NS for the last couple of years , I honestly can’t stand to do so , she ” does ma heid in ” . Like many – but not enough , yet , I saw through her dishonesty and suspect character and now want nothing to do with her , and the embarrassingly/enfuriatingly feeble collection of 3rd ( if that ) raters that comprise what used to be the SNP

STOKER 07:52
Internet searches suggest that the UK.gov may have spent anything from £100 million to £2bn, and rising, on «Brexit».
Any surmized Scot.gov spending on «independence» would be mere pocket money.

Breeks , surely that brings us back to the ‘ring fenced’ and donated by members , 600,000 quid? Where is it and what is what is it doing? Whose bank account? Whose fraudulent spend?

Yeah, totally Kafkaesque…

I always wanted to say that.

Anyway, on a more positive note, it turns out that al that CO2 we’ve pumped into the atmosphere is hugely beneficial to vegetation growth. The world is 14% greener over the last 35 years as result — that equates to an area twice the size of the US.

They don’t tell you that, do they…

There’s a lot of pressure on Sturgeon right now, more than ever. She assumed we’d all get behind her and unquestioningly buy more of her bullshit. Now for the first time she has the MSM and large parts of the Indy movement attacking her.

It’s going to be an interesting week, me thinks. She’s making everything up as she goes along. One or two curve balls from unexpected quarters and it’s over…

PS I am hoping that AS has a trump card up his sleeve and that rather than attempt to destroy the SNP, he uses it as leverage to re-enter the political mainstream.

@Breeks

Keep at it.

Scots been mitigating hate for millennia so we’ve plenty resistance to any that manages to rebound (in theory at least).

My advice, for all that, would be to avoid falling into the trap of vilifying successful people (especially those of Scottish heritage and especially in respect of the perceived consequence of our own fears or failure) and spend a bit more pondering over the leverage the incontestable right to hold a referendum with the question ‘should Scotland reject jurisdiction of UKSC’ inevitably provides against those serious about refusing S30 agreement (or in favour of those serious about wanting one, despite what happened last time).

They’re going have a Conference.

To do what. Discuss a plan. FFS they’ve had eight years for a plan. Hardly likely, in fact absolutely dead cert that this so-called Conference will deliver anything whatsoever. None of the SNP conference now deliver anything. Just the charade of having a conference.

No wonder that at the last ” National ” conference there was less than 900 attending, with over half of the attendees being elected politicians, their paid assistants, party officials and press. Crikey they could even get candidates for election to the Party NEC.

A National Party Conference where the National Attendance of Members was a couple of hundred.

Aye Nicola, a conference in January to decide what to do. Get tae, as they say, and wipe the shite of your mouth. Time you were gone.

Do people here really think dissolving Holyrood and asking folk to vote in an election in the winter is a good idea?

@KT Lorimer 10.56 am

Do people here really think dissolving Holyrood and asking folk to vote in an election in the winter is a good idea?

Perhaps some folk think the issues we face are important enough to expect folk to vote when it might be a bit chilly. Worse things happen at sea than asking people to brave the Scottish winter. Are we obliged to only campaign in summer?

K T Lorimer.

I don’t.

I favour the Peter Bell UDI approach.

Let the troughers at WM and HR have their Xmas break.

Then, in January, they all convene to declare UDI and start thrashing out Scotland’s constitution and its economic and political policies. Allow 6 months for that. In July, we have a referendum, at which Scots vote for the deals and policies on the table. If the answer is Yes, no way can WM stand in our way.

If the answer is No, it’s game over for Indy.

We can’t allow this to drag on. There is no clear majority for Yes right now, and there won’t be, because people are seeing just how useless, apathetic and clueless ScotGov is. The way to turn that around is for our representatives to show some spirit and some fire. Show us in some detail what real-world Indy will look like. Show us they mean what they say, at long last.

With further delay, the demographic attrition of Yes-voting Scots proceeds inexorably.

I see no possible advantage to waiting, nothing is going to improve with the passing of time.

Oh the next time a snp member mentions “europe” remind them how the big boy plays…

link to euractiv.com

We will never get independence as long as Sturgeon and her clique are in power. She keeps lingering around like a fart in a phone-box.

@ Breeks at 11:17 am

Aye, and that is also why the result of the 2016 “Brexit” vote, and the following EU Withdrawal Bill receiving Royal Assent in 2018 should have kicked in a far more meaningful response from those who were / are elected and claim to represent Scotland.

I attended a wee informal local meeting of Indy “players” post the EU vote, and when I pointed out the conflict of the Crown passing a bill that would be contrary to the sovereign expressed wishes of Scots, they really didn’t seem to grasp what it meant or the importance of it.
It was a real eye opener for me that these players in “the movement” did not see the relevance of it.

@Breeks

The supremacy of the UKSC is NOT a reserved matter.

Accordingly it can form the basis for a defacto referendum in its true sense and there’s nothing red and white sovereignty can do to stop it because it would be in strict accordance with the conclusions of last weeks decision..

@Dan 11:37

Maybes the players you write of realised only too well that when a majority of the UK voters voted for the UK to leave the EU, that was what should happen.

The time to thrash out what should have happened if the different nations voted differently was before the vote, not after. There was nothing stopping the SNP, or anybody else, stating before the vote that if Scotland voted to remain, then Scotland was going to bloody well remain. What you might have called at the time a clear Plan B. Hell, it might even have supercharged the Remain vote in Scotland.

But they didn’t. The UK voted out. Scotland was never in the EU other than as a part of the UK. There was no mechanism to separate the votes by nation, cos nobody had the basic smarts to see how that could be important. Anyways, Project Fear believed it had done enough to get the fix in.

TBQH, I have little interest in going over this again, as it is a complete distraction.

John Main.
Alex Salmond did say that in parliament. He stressed the importance of all four nations must show a majority to leave.
He was told to STFU. It was an *advisory referendum* & that each nation would be consulted after the result.

After the result the Tory’s rushed to trigger Art 50. An advisory referendum automatically changed to *the will of the ppl*

There was compromise on offer from the SNP. To stay in the single market. What did Westminster do? Told Scotland to fuck off & promptly gave Thier compromise deal to Northern Ireland out of an act of spite.
We were going out with them. No compromise, Jocko! Suck it up..

Breeks.

This is why it is important for all of us to go back to the treaty of union with progressive studying of the details of why and how it came to be,

I have heard the floating story of how Scotland was subsumed as a Country. On the surface under Westminster propaganda this at first may appear to be the case.

There are details that have been overlooked by Scotland all these years, and are still being overlooked.
This has the same affect as ignoring what the Snp were covering up this past 8 years, along with the belief that we could not be scammed as a population by a few.
Ignoring what is under our noses because we dont like to think we have fallen for the lies, does independence serious damage.

So in relation to the devolved government in Scotland you’re analysis is correct,
The devolved government is a Westminster Domestic legislated government, Not a Scottish parliament in anything but name place.

The Westminster domestic legislation for a Scottish parliament breeches the treaty of union, as it states there will only be one parliament in GB forever after. Under those article.

There are many other breeches, such as the one mentioned by Alex Salmond as the boroughs that were to be kept in Scotland after the treaty of union,
They have been changed and extinguished for favourable voting purposes for Westminster.

But I suppose the largest and most obvious breech at the beginning of the Treaty and before the official opening date of the British parliament.

Is that the prior english parliament actively entered into the new British parliament as itself until 1708,
Where as the The Scottish parliament did not enter the actual British parliament as a Active parliament as the Treaty of union details extinguish the Scottish parliament.
Thus preventing it from becoming a joint treaty of union between the parliament of Scotland and the parliament of England as the Treaty had promised.

A promise made for a Treaty was not a promise kept.

Hence the old English parliament entered as the English parliament, into the British parliament in one smooth transition and was a active english parliament ruling Scotland by itself for the first year,

The more I think about it, the more it seems that the SNP’s Plan’s A, B, C ad infinitum towards independence is to kick the can down the road and hope something comes up to divert the attention away from it.

Going down that train of thought and with the other policies that the SNP are pursuing, they are only interested in holding power and doing whatever it costs to do that.

We think of populism as Farage type rabble rousers whipping up hatred against ‘the other’ but populism has another side in the left where there is the same type of rabble rousing abut the rich and implementing policies that doesn’t solve any problems for ordinary people but perpetuates it in order to keep themselves in power.

We have seen this for decades with Labour and now we are seeing it with the SNP. For instance, I know it has been said often enough on here that the SNP has been captured by the trans-cult but could it be SNP cynically let itself be trapped by them in order to ride the wave of populist progressivism that is sweeping society at the moment?

As I keep saying if you vote for SNP, you are voting for SNP policies, not independence so if I’m right about the cynical use of populism by the SNP to keep in power then why keep voting for them as well as all your doing is providing your free time to keep the expensive lifestyle of these SNP politicians to continue?

With the SC announcing this was now a matter of law, I think it was Alf Baird (apologies if it wasn’t) who said it’s now the law the Independence movement must focus our attention on.

Alex stated in his clip there are ways. Cameron accepted indyref because it was the least worst option for the UK government. He had others he could implement.

Big Jock
I came across a few on twitter. They voted out to trigger SNPs manifesto for indyref2.

I dunno wtf they were thinking?

Anyway, 62% prevailed & it was possible for Scotland to remain in the single market as proven when the deal was given to NI instead.

Just as Cameron told the Naw voters on Sept 19th 2014 – thanks chumps! Now here’s your punishment. You are now at the back of the queue in everything. From this day forward, England, Wales & NI come first. It’s only right & proper they’re rewarded before you. In everything.

This is why it is important for all of us to go back to the treaty of union with progressive studying of the details of why and how it came to be…

Within reason, yes I agree.

But say, 100 years from now there’s somebody studying history, and the only archive material they have to go on is Scotland’s Newspapers and TV Recordings. Both you and I know that’s a false narrative, and the true nature of what’s happening is very much “not” what you see in the papers.

If that’s true now, I suppose we need to make allowances for the same thing being true in the past.

Strikes me, post Indy, there’s going to be a lot of work unpicking the “Winston Smith” style Ministry of Truth lies and disinformation about Scotland going back centuries.

There’s a scandal in there somewhere how such a corrupt and exploitative Union riddled with blatant controversies managed to survive 300 years. Be warned too, we may not feel very comfortable finding out.

I thought it was brilliant when Sara Salyers was going on about Scottish Society pre-Union, and this concept of Common Good, which, like our Claim of Right, was a distinctly Scottish phenomenon, which the BritNats have done their best to denigrate and erase.

How many Scots towns do you know which have Common Land and Common Good funds looking after certain parts of their locality? Most of these are now administered by Councils, but they’re more like assets on paper which have tenuous links to Auld Scotland’s Common Good society.

How much of our history is Anglicised and written from an outsiders perspective? Can we refurbish a truer and more accurate historic narrative?

I find myself wondering whether Scotland is just naturally more left wing / socialist in it’s outlook, or whether that is actually a legacy dating back to before the Union when the Common Good was relevant to every day life.

For me, there are big questions to be answered about the Clearances, and how land ownership before the Union was altered after the Union. To what extent was Scotland’s rural population like so many indigenous peoples colonised by Europeans, and lost their lands and property because the had no title on it or “proof” of ownership.

Were the Clearances preceded by a massive theft of title which exploited a primitive system of record keeping. How did Lairds and Chieftains physically come by their Estates in the first place?

I ask the question, because I know for a fact that Buccleuch Estates helped themselves to a significant area of Hawick’s Common Land, and the town couldn’t afford to contest the appropriation. I have a notion that type of conduct was very common throughout Scotland. Even what’s known could be the tip of the iceberg.

We think our modern day Tories and Toffs are very accomplished at stealing stuff, lining their pockets and making their pals rich. I’ve a suspicion the Tories and Toffs of 18th and 19th Century Scotland were even more venal and conniving. I mean, how else did they get away with it?

@Breeks at 1.59 pm

You are so right to pick up on this. Well said. A topic in need of further investigation.

The high point of Keith Brown’s activities to date was to march across the Falklands to slaughter Argentinian conscripts whilst wearing a Union Jack on his combat jacket.

He has done sod-all for Scotland.

Why did the SNP ever allow anyone with Brit Armed Forces or BBC connections within a mile of the party?

No-one with any previous time with these organisations should be trusted. And that includes La Riddoch as well as the John Nicolson slimeball.

link to inews.co.uk

link to dailymail.co.uk

Let’s organise a chat sometime in future but sit about and see if these Tory sharks find some morality and return the profits of crime.
Slow Nothing Party SNP

The Supreme Court’s ruling that Scotland has no escape route (quite untrue, in any case) should have triggered a mass walk-out at Westminster and an immediate SE under the Unity for Scotland banner. Parallel to that, the case based on breaching of the Treaty by England and England as the UK should be placed before the international court. They want the GRA Reform Bill to pass into law before they do anything else. If it passes, the ‘trans’ lobby/Stonewall and all its arms in Scotland will be celebrating and we will never get these b******s out of Holyrood. They have quite deliberately and cynically put aside our independence to pander to the ‘trans’ lobby. The SNP believes that, by pandering to this issue, along with the Greens, they will solidify their future in politics by placating the youth. That is the level of political nous that exists at Holyrood. They do not even understand that youth grows into middle age and then the elderly, and all the superficial passions pass, too, as day-to-day reality sets in. The barmy wee lassies will become mothers, most of them, and then they’ll get it. The boys will come to understand that letting your d**k rule your brains is a recipe for disaster as the girls they thought were boys overtake them at every level. We need independence now before Westminster starts another onslaught – illegally – on the powers of the Scottish parliament and confines us to HM Chokey Britannia.

Breeks,

I do not disagree with Salvo, we were some of the first to sign up.
And I do not disagree with Alf Baird or yourself for that matter.

But perhaps go one step further legally as to our constitution, our Sovereignty, our realm, our kingdom and our Country,

The implications of setting out on the right foot for a new country are massive,
Independence will be a struggle not only to achieve but the negotiations that would take place over
Many years afterwards.

However on the evidence from the UK parliament site itself, Hansard and other research these matters are to be seen in a entirely different perspective and a great deal to our advantage if it is correct that the first part of the treaty of union was ruled under the guise of the British parliament at Westminster was actually the Old english parliament sitting in the British parliament on its own.

This needs research and study beforehand, not afterwards and would be of considersble help to the SSRG, and Salvo, further more it proves the case of Colonisation.

If the Old English parliament entered under its session into the British parliament in 1707 until 1708.,
But the Scottish parliament did not do so even although that was what was promised in the treaty.
We have a English parliament sitting in Westminster to day.
But not an extinguished Scottish parliament.
We have a English parliament only in the parliament of great Britain. For 1 year. And then continuous until present day.
We cannot and do not have representatives from a extinguished Scottish parliament

We have no united kingdoms.
No united or unified parliaments.
Scotland was not subsumed by England, but it was lied to,
Scotland 1707 parliament is outside the British parliament, the English parliament is inside the British parliament.

The ramifications of the prior English parliament not ceasing as a active parliament in 1707 ( as it promised) to create a new parliament of GB. But continuing until it ended its session in 1708,

Means that the old English parliament made void the treaty, the Treaty of union articles, of joint parliaments, of kingdoms, of Realms, of Countries,

The British parliament is the english parliament on its own,

The propaganda, the fraud of jointly ceasing both the Scottish and English parliaments in 1707 to become one British parliament in 1707 has massive implications for Scottish independence.
For both parliaments did not cease to exist.

It gains considerable ground on the debate wether Scotland is out with the treaty that never happened as promised by the English parliament of 1706.

The exact same was they’re doing now.
Restrict thier trade.
Make them comply or they’re bankrupt. What can the residents do? They can piss off elsewhere was & still is the motto.
Look at what they did to tenant farmers during indyref? They’d to vote No or fck off off thier land.
Another famine is on the cards too. There’s only English ports so guess who will be served first?
This even happened during Covid when they said we should be thankful we received a vaccine at all. Tories already threatening to reintroduce the Alien Act.

The more things change the more they remain the same.

SNP tractors.

“There is no political problem with a snap Holyrood election regardless of BBC view.

Make the weather and lead for independence and the voters will understand why.
Use Sec46 of Scotland Act.”

Andy Ellis @11.38am.

You’d better not let Scott see this he said it was all what’s the word ah, yes all shite.

Scotland in the UK is like being in one of those Egyptian maze rooms in Indiana Jones. One by one all the escape hatches are closing.

Soon we will be locked in the UK forever , and our leader stares at the walls. It’s only direct action that will get us out of this trap. We can all the talk of this law and that law, but it’s all theoretical until someone makes the first move.

Waffle:

“To talk or write a lot without giving any useful information or any clear answers.”

“To keep changing your decisions about something so that no clear decision is made.”

“This administration has a tendency to waffle on important questions.”

link to dictionary.cambridge.org

@RoS

You’d better not let Scott see this he said it was all what’s the word ah, yes all shite.

He’s be the expert when it comes to talking shite right enough.

I see he hasn’t answered the question about which legal authorities or experts in constitutional law and/or public policy agree with his magical thinking?

Imagine our surprise etc. 🙂

International law.

Over 50 countries have left the UK.

There are constitutional experts working on it.
Your bias fails to recognise them. Why?

If Sturgeon dropped dead right now, I would party for a week.

When that English bastard Thatcher died I only partied for three days,,,so it just shows you how much the wee twisted freak from Dreghorn is hated.

Do something decent for once in your life Sturgeon, and disappear.

Y’know, it makes you wonder what kind of people (SNP MSPs) are they sit behind Sturgeon the betrayer week in and week out fawning over her remarks and clapping like seals every time she quibs what they think is a witty retort.

They (SNP MPSPs) know exactly what’s going on and what direction we are headed in (one where the UKSC has a final say on anything remotely to do with Scotland on independence) yet these people (SNP MSPs) who must be of low moral character and short in conscience keep their mouths shut and have done so since Sturgeon the betrayer took office, the ones that have a conscience or any hint of morality have jumped ship to the Alba party this has left behind the flotsam the detritus, who are prepared to allow Sturgeon to keep Scotland trapped in this prison like union.

In my book they are worse than the Tories and Labour, because we know what they are, we expect them to backstab Scotland at every turn for their benefit, the benefit of their party, and of course the knock-on benefit it has for England.

But we didn’t expect Sturgeon and her MSPs to betray us, but they have. Time to shun this bunch of charlatans at every single political election in Scotland and Westminster from now on and to vote for the Alba party.

James Che says:
28 November, 2022 at 3:19 pm

“It immediately breeched it own articles to the Treaty of union”

Talking about the Treaty of Union, how many breaches have there been since it was signed?

If the plebs of Scotland had been “sovereign” with a means of exercising their “sovereignty”, the Treaty of union would never have happened.

Did any “sovereign” plebs sign it?

No, it was their aristocrat masters who sold the country to pay off their personal debts.

The plebs’ new aristocrat masters arose the day Alex Salmond resigned as SNP leader and First Minister and have now taken over the country totally.

Sturgeon the Judas must be laughing up her sleeve at the unexpected, but probably welcome movement of the Tory donor and House Jock Robert Kilgour, who has revealed that a “leading KC” had been appointed to probe the next steps, to stop another penny being spent on Scottish independence by the Scottish Government.

Firstly, I’d like to point out to this prominent house Jock that Sturgeon has spent virtually nothing on Scottish independence, not even the missing 600K. Secondly Sturgeon the betrayer is about as interested in achieving Scottish independence as he is.

Now that Sturgeon referred the competency on the introduction of the indy bill at Holyrood to the UKSC via her die-hard unionist Lord Advocate, it opens the flood gates for House Jocks to wail and cry out that anything to do with Scottish independence must first pass through the UKSC.

Sturgeon and her treacherous MSPs have done a tremendous amount of damage to the indy cause. If there’s to be any more demo’s they must be outside Holyrood and Bute House calling for Sturgeon to resign and a snap Holyrood election to follow.

Even the BBC’s Phil Simm recognises that a snap Holyrood election is a possibility.

Yet Sturgeon the Judas and her treacherous clique of MSPs snub the exit route.

“Keith Brown cited the 2/3 majority rule this morning, but in practice the SNP & Greens have the numbers to do just about anything. Nicola Sturgeon could resign as FM and they could vote down any other candidate nominated. It would be messy, but would ultimately end in an election”

link to twitter.com

@ Liz

” Friend of mine said her student daughters were all pro trans, calling her out for being old fashioned but when push came to shove and they wanted flat sharers, they were only going to accept females.”

Lol ! aye , they’re not THAT supportive – or daft , eh ?

This is an example of how young people – in particular – are just adopting what they THINK is the * correct * position on this issue , not wanting to appear anything other than * pro * all the un-examined shibboleths and implications of so-called * progressive * Politics .

In general , and probably for millennia , younger generations have been annoying the fuck out of older generations – it’s their * job * to do so . The difference now is no previous younger generation has been asked – or felt pressured to – support the clearly insane proposition that humans can change sex .

They ( the young generation ) may be annoying , but the real guilty parties are the adults who are behind and promoting the lunacy , behind whom are the Politicians hoping to gain credit/votes on the back of it , and behind them are the Pharma Corps whose ONLY concern is the vast profits they seek to derive from the lifelong medication required to maintain the fiction of having moved from one sex to another

@ Robert Hughes

Yes, the kids think they are down with all this Self ID woowoo stuff, but they and the authorities weren’t so happy that time I Self ID’d as a bear and took a shit in the wildlife tree area of their playground.
Fortunately I was able to morph into a gazelle sharpish and got the fuck out of there before being apprehended…

Ignore “Scott” alert readers. He has no idea what he’s talking about with respect to the 2/3rd majority being required. It doesn’t matter how often it is pointed out to him that he is in error and doesn’t understand how the process works, he continues to assert that a 2/3rd majority is required.

s.3. and s.46. don’t require a 2/3 majority. Despite the fact that many people more knowledgeable than him have made it clear how this works, including citing the confirmation of a former Holyrood PO Tricia Marwick, the current MP Angus MacNeil and people who know a thing or two like Roddy Dunlop, “Scott” just keeps misinterpreting things.

Don’t be like “Scott” alert readers. Be more like Angus Brendan MacNeil: “make the weather and lead”.

Merganser says on 28 November 2022 at 5:31 pm: “Peter Bell seems to have lost the plot.”

I’ve never taken to him. He’s so far up his own arse it’s unbelievable. Lost count of the number of times he’s come on here, flipped his lid about someone (or their comment) then stormed off in a huff declaring he will never be back etc.

Remember one time there was a few of us just throwing around suggested dates for another IndyRef (i think?) and i said something along the lines of ‘sicken the bastards and make it St. Andrews day’. The fucker went off like a human vibrator.

Laugh? I nearly died! I couldn’t do anything but laugh. My jaws really ached as the tears streamed down my face. If only he could have seen me, he would have gone apoplectic with rage, like the Scottish comedy character played by Gregor Fisher. LOL!

Fuck off Ellis. Are you really so stoopid that you think you can just erase words to counter a valid point? [Yes, is the answer]

Once the new Parliament is in session, a 2/3 majority will be required to effect change by voting in favour of a motion. Alex Salmond spoke to the effect such a majority would have when launching ALBA prior to 2021 election – founder members joined on the back of that, no? Drrrrr….

50% + 1 will count for nothing unless and until that two-thirds threshold is reached.

Take yer new pal RoS with you.

And anyone else who wants to ignore reality.

Moaning Moan and Grovelling Gove Special

link to fb.watch

Stuart Mctavish, the speaker is a sycophantic Brit nat, overpromoted because the government didn’t want another Bercow.

Having said that, John Nicolson is an obnoxious woman hating creep and I for one would love to see him booted out of WM by any means possible.

He was an internalized homophobe until it became fashionable to be out.
He’s attacking LBG Alliance, so maybe that internalized homophobia is still there, and supported Mermaids, a charity which recommend puberty blockers and cross sex hormones for teens.

Mermaids CEO has resigned, for many reasons, including having her 16 year old son, castrated in Thailand and employing an alleged paedophile.

As for David Davidson, I know little of him

Scott: “But, the only way to effect change once the new Parliament is in session is for 2/3 of members to vote in favour of a motion.”

You don’t seem to get it, do you, Scott. Nobody gives a fuck what happens after a new parliament is elected.

The point is to use the election itself as a vehicle for a referendum. The rules governing parliamentary business do not and could not prevent the SNP standing in that election on the single issue of independence — bypassing the rules of Holyrood altogether and potentially, if successful, rendering the parliament itself obsolete since we would be an independent country with a whole new constitution.

@liz

Understand where the phobia bit comes in if that’s the sort of stuff these colourful characters get up to.

Way way beyond my attention span though, so refreshing to see that in potentially better news from that place, Alister Jack has put on record that the acceptable test for indyref2 approval is the same sustained support as was required for the 2014 indyref – ie presumably somewhere between the 20% SNP achieved in 2010 GE (2.5 million turnout) and the 45% SNP achieved in 2011 Holyrood election (2 million turnout).

So this 50% + 1 will see every vote go to an elected member? Obviously not…so those votes don’t count when it comes to the chamber voting on legislation of any kind. Can you imagine George Galloway trying to exert influence on the same basis, despite not being elected?

Sheeesh….What is that barely verbal word salad even supposed to mean?

1) Sturgeon resigns, per what is being proposed by those who – unlike you – know what they’re taking about and aren’t barely verbal like you

2) New Holyrood elections are called, because the PO is obliged to call them when no other candidate for FM can command Holyrood’s confidence

3) for those elections all votes for pro-indy parties who have endorsed the plebiscitary nature of the election are automatically votes for independence

4) if the combined vote for pro-indy parties is 50% + 1 it’s a mandate for independence: no confirmatory referendum, no necessity for a Convention or Assembly, no fresh elections necessary, Scotland is de facto independent the moment the mystical single vote is counted that gets us to 50% + 1.

Elegant, simple and unarguable. No reason to engage with courts, seek cunning plans, propose that some unelected interest group petitions the UN or international court. We take, we don’t ask.

It’s politics stupid, not laws that will set us free.

Who to believe now, Scotty Boy, or Angus B. McNeil, hmmm, a no brainer I think.

“There is no political problem with a snap Holyrood election regardless of BBC view.

Make the weather and lead for independence and the voters will understand why.
Use Sec46 of Scotland Act.”

Scotty Boy keeps trying to shift the onus from the spineless and gutless immoral SNP MSPs and their treacherous leader to the court room, I’m not saying there isn’t a route via the court room, but when you have the Rev, Angus B McNeil and even the BBC’s Phil Simm saying that they see no real blockage to a snap Holyrood election next year, you have to wonder why Sturgeon and her nasty clique are avoiding it like the plague.

The purpose of a General Election is only to elect individual members.

Votes for those not elected don’t carry forward.

We never elect FM or the Scottish Ministers, only the chamber partly gets that privilege.

See Scotland Act for clarity. It’s the law.

Scotland’s status is a matter of law, not politics.

UK Parliament isn’t a court, neither is Scottish Parliament.

Neither institution owns Union with England Act 1707, we the Scots do. Not the English or the Welsh or the Yanks or the Spanish etc…the Scots.

Court of Session can rule on an action centered on Union with England Act 1707.

Holyrood has no power to alter the one and only piece of legislation that binds Scotland to England. WM can but only within terms written into it. If that law’s purpose and intent isn’t being met, then the remedy of repeal should be open to our supreme civil court.

There’s also the route to referendum via public petition. In Englandshire, Local Authorities are bound by law to hold a referendum if 5% of the registered electorate request one, which is a useful comparator for numbers needed.

Vienna Convention on Conduct of Referendums has a section on referendums requested by a section of the population, relating to timescale & number of signatures sought.

I’ve said I can’t run such a thing for health reasons, Mr Ellis, but I did nominate you as spokesperson. There’s public funds available to cover costs.

Much to consider when reading this.

link to robinmcalpine.org

I’ve said I can’t run such a thing for health reasons, Mr Ellis, but I did nominate you as spokesperson. There’s public funds available to cover costs.

It’s a bullshit idea with no visible means of support and absolutely nobody but a misanthrope and creepy as fuck on line stalker like you assuring us it’s a slam dunk.

Despite being repeatedly asked, you’ve utterly failed to produce any supporting analysis by anyone who actually knows their stuff to support your magical thinking. Even in the vanishingly unlikely event you COULD produce it, I wouldn’t touch it with a ten foot pole.

We don’t need legal shortcuts, we need to persuade a majority to vote for it. Any other purported routes are harder, more time consuming and will ensure the britnats “once in a generation” mantra becomes true by default. Pandering to delusional cranks who believe in petitioning our way to independence doesn’t help the movement or move us a scintilla closer to the early days of a better nation.

Rab at 5.15. I agree with all you say. But I do have several friends from South of the Border living here who are very pro Indy. It’s always worth noting who the real culprits /enemy are. It’s the greedy and it’s the establishment. It always has been. After reading the recent Salvo release about sovereignty, I’m trying to work out why we ended up in this position and I feel it’s because many of ourselves voted the party line and pushed all these laws through. We voted Labour, or Tory or lib dem and they all Scots n English let us down. Culloden!

Top job Rev. Hilarious.

Hatuey says:
28 November, 2022 at 8:49 pm

Scott: “The purpose of the election would be to elect members to the Scottish Parliament.”

Of course, but we can construe the result as a referendum, providing everybody is aware and parties supporting the strategy stick to the single issue of independence so that there’s no doubt what votes and victory would mean and lead to.

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And this construing is written into the Scotland Act, is it? Votes for those not elected count, via invisible MSPs?

The same Act regulates elections to Scottish Parliament – the sole purpose of which is to elect members, not FM or the Scottish Ministers or any political agenda. It may seem like that, but in law it really isn’t. Members can do what they like, manifestos are wish-lists, not a contract.

But supposing you and other idiots are right about the ‘Scotland Act 50% + 1’, where does the ability to repeal Union with England Act 1707 come from and via what mechanism? Not the Scotland Act, as any legislation can be challenged by Advocate General or legislated to nullify effect.

The place that will decide Scotland’s status is the Court of Session, not Holyrood or Westminster. And it’ll be based on Union with England Act 1707. Westminster can’t repeal UwEAct1707 or UwSAct1706 as it doesn’t own either piece of legislation, it can only amend [Think of EU law amending domestic, but not owning Primary legislation itself]

A public petition, say running for a year, can seek any change it wants. Claim of Right Act 1689 allows direct petition to the King. Will of the people is something the monarch has to recognise or they can be sacked. Just as the Governments can be. The convention that the Court won’t interfere with Parliament’s ‘sovereignty’ is just that, a convention. It can and should if needed.

Union with England Act 1707 needs repealed. If the people declare their wishes such, so be it. Scotland Act doesn’t govern public petitions – common law right in Scotland, innit.

If the Court of Session rules UwEAct1707 should be reduced, so be it.

The National is giving publicity to a new fundraiser for an independence poll. New names to me. Worth a look?

@ Andy Ellis says:28 November, 2022 at 7:56 pm

That’s a clear process you have outlined. I have taken the liberty of summarising:

1) Sturgeon resigns.

2) New Holyrood elections are called, because the PO is obliged to call them when no other candidate for FM can command Holyrood’s confidence.

3) All votes for pro-indy parties who have endorsed the plebiscitary nature of the election are automatically votes for independence

4) If the combined vote for pro-indy parties is 50% + 1 it’s a mandate for independence.

I like it – it’s something people can understand.

The biggest hurdle, IMO, lies at step 3. “pro-indy parties who have endorsed the plebiscitary nature of the election”.

That’s where a failure of these parties to play ball will derail the plan.

Do you agree that is the biggest hurdle to overcome?

Merganser says:28 November, 2022 at 5:31 pm
Peter Bell seems to have lost the plot.
He’s posted a rambling article which concludes with him saying that Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP are the only salvation for independence!
When he’s called out, he says he doesn’t believe in fantasy politics. I’m still laughing. Then he blows all his fuses and turns himself into a parrot – it’s hilarious.

I’m beginning to think that Andy could be right about him.

It’s well worth a read – but only for the entertainment value.
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“Peter Bell seems to have lost the plot.” And your only realising this now ?
“I’m beginning to think that Andy could be right about him.” Better late than never i suppose.
Peter Bell is of the same breed as many in the fray who is only really interested in promoting himself so he can get worshipped and speak bollocks at rallies. Ask yourself honestly …if he just packed up and went back to his native England who would really notice or care ?

John main
I think 1) is the problem and remember she is being protected

They will not dump her in the mud until they have game set and match.

She will be useful to them in the future

@John Main 9.43 pm

Oh absolutely, I realise that the chances of the devolusionists in the SNP and Scottish Greens playing ball are very small.

It’s the principle that needs to be focused on: that’s why we have to ensure the SNP can’t assert ownership or be proprietorial about plebiscitary election process in the event their balls ever drop.