Going (on the) underground
If you haven’t seen them already, a few shots of our ads on the Glasgow Subway, paid for with a small slice of fundraiser money and pictured by some alert readers.
We can’t be certain, but we think this is the first time a news-and-commentary website like Wings has ever taken out real-world advertising anywhere in the UK.
See ’em while you can, though.
That’s because we’ve been led to believe that Strathclyde Partnership for Transport is currently considering complaints from one or more people that the banners contravene its rules on “political” advertising. We’d like to make clear that we CANNOT confirm that the complainant may have been a Mr B. McDougall of Blythswood Square.
We don’t believe the banners break the rules. They don’t state any political position, merely offer people a source of information, just like an ad for a newspaper would. That information may itself have a certain slant, but then it does in the Daily Record or the Scotsman too, so we don’t feel we’re any different and we have every confidence that SPT will take a fair and reasonable view.
Anyhoo, if you’re in Glasgow there’s one in every carriage on the Subway network, so go and take a look just in case they’re not there by the end of the week.
[EDIT 17.20: We’ve just been informed that SPT have indeed demanded that the ads be pulled, and that they’ll probably be gone by tomorrow, so get out tonight if you want to see. That pesky trusting nature of ours, eh readers?]
snuffing out debates and information #bettertogether
The banners look great – I hope your hit counter goes off the scale!
If they decide to pull them I would be looking for, nay, demanding a full rebate.
Awesome! Looks great
Brilliant idea Rev!
One of ma fav wee websites on my fav wee railway. Lovely.
Whoever it is that has sent this, allegedly, ridiculous complaint in Stu certainly needs their head examined. I think the ad is brilliant, it states the FACTS about newspapers in Scotland and offers people information about where they can obtain alternative views on topics *ahem* discussed in the newspapers. How on earth can anyone complain about that? Oh wait a minute this is right the street of Better Together isn’t it. They continually demand open and honest debate but as soon as there is the slightest whiff of such a thing happening they run a mile! 🙂
Dear SPT,
Wings is like totally trolling me IRL on your subway.
Yours Sincerely
Blair McDougall
Whoever complained is clearly jealous there is no equivalent website for Better Together…
Oh wait, that’s the UK’s entire media industry…
Great result. But I can’t help predict that SPT will have them removed.
It is largely run by Labour die hards who will soon be discovering what Wings represents; freedom of expression that does not conform to the traditional editorial output of the British unionist leaning media.
I do hope I am wrong. I really do.
They look great Stuart. It would be interesting to know if there is a spike of hits this week as BigSteveChisholm suggests.
I can imagine the banner would look guid on the side of the battlebus…
Always wanted to be part of an underground movement.
I’ll get me coat…but first…
No tongues!
link to i60.tinypic.com
Great stuff!
Brilliant! Just what’s needed.
Good move Stuart to offer the voters an alternative to the propaganda in the Daily Comics.Think about extending the ad nationwide.Stagecoach buses a possibility?
When I heard these were in the Glasgow subway I was picturing a sandwich shop with Iain Gray in it!
Looking GREAT!
You could easily re-jig if required.
Now, we need to keep our eye’s open for BT’s ad campaign to see where they place their ads.
Absolutely great stuff. 🙂
On the complaint front. You are correct and any complaints should be challenged fully and legally if necessary. This blog is an independent journalism site just like any of the msm… there is no difference in that. If someone is successful getting them taken down, then the precedent is set for banning all newspaper advertising.
Stu that was an excellent idea and if they do take it down then we really should make a very public issue out of it. This should include a name and shame exercise regarding the key decision makers.
Sorry by newspaper advertising, I obviously meant newspapers advertising themselves.
How long are they booked up for?
Inspired stuff. Great to see.
How are the plans to have Wings flyers circulated by Glasgow City Council? Hope this is no longer on a needs to know basis.
Jimsie
I think the Rev might find a little sympathy from Stagecoach owner.
“But I can’t help predict that SPT will have them removed.”
You’re correct. We’ve just heard that they WILL be pulled.
I hope you are getting a refund if they have been pulled!
Excellent, hope it really gets up their noses!
I can’t believe that some of the Yes people are actually complaining, it’s costing them nothing and surely the more people who get the true picture instead of the lies and half truths printed in the newspapers and reported daily by the TV news programmes the better. Can only assume that the ones complaining have personal contacts with the so called journalists printing the lies.
Excellent Advert.
Great stuff! They don’t explicitly state it’s a pro independence site, so I don’t think there’s any basis for taking them down. Not that that’s ever stopped them before, of course. I can’t go into town until Saturday so I won’t see them but if they’re taken down you should ask for a refund!
That’s disgusting Stu. As others have said I hope some form of legal challenge is now in the offing because I am certain it would be a winner. More over SPT should be challenged to name and shame the alleged complainants. Whoever they are they are denying the people of Scotland a very basic human right, in my view, and that is the right to open and FREE speech!
Brilliant – though suspect SPT will cave in to complaints. But maybe that’s even better advertising.
I think schools were trying to ban Yes badges as well – great, nothing like telling teenagers they can’t do something, that’ll show them!
Can we crowdfund a good lawyer to challenge this -no doubt it would get to court on September 19th.
Lets go with the air balloon then
Great work, well done.
Ever day, I realise more and more that we are living in an Orwellian nighmare!
Crowdfund to take SPT to court!
Great banners!
Stylish, informative, a bit cheeky.
Political advertising? No.
Let’s see what happens if there really is a complaint. Will all media (newspaper, TV channel, radio channel etc.) advertising be banned on the subway? :-O
They are going to be pulled? full explanation required at the least and including an apology! Then Stu can take those apart on site. That will bring a laugh.
Someone really needs to examine their case legally.
but arent yes scotland advertising on billboards soon, will they be pulled?
So much for personal freedom in UKOK.
How on earth can a Scots politics news website be banned from advertising? How can this possibly be justified?
Hopefully, Wings will get more publicity out of the ban.
“You’re correct. We’ve just heard they WILL be pulled” Lets hope for the Streisand effect.
Anyone able to send in photo’s of the MSM stuff on trains? To let us all see what they, are up to?
Oh, well, that lasted long… 🙁
I’m really worried about free speech and democracy in Scotland.
twenty14 says:
Can we crowdfund a good lawyer to challenge this -no doubt it would get to court on September 19th.
Lets go with the air balloon then
You mean something like this twenty? 😛
link to tinyurl.com
Not surprised they are being taken down. I mean it is just not democratic to allow the travelling public on the Subway in Glasgow to be told that essentially there is no such thing as the Scottish media.
Edinburgh trams?
Do you think this would be allowed on the Subway?
link to m.youtube.com
I know I want to 😀
complaints@spt.co.uk
have at em folks.Absolutely disgraceful.
An underground movement no more!
Stu send me a couple an I’ll put them on my cars back window. I get stuck in rush hour daily with a captive audience behind me 🙂
Excellent advert. Precisely the kind of information that would appeal to any inquisitive “don’t knows”.
I can’t wait until the same kind of thing gets going on the national rail network. Will definitely help in getting the word out as I think there may be a risk of preaching to the choir.
Any predictions about the likelihood of this removal appearing as a story in any newspaper or on the BBC (I’d guess vanishingly close to zero)? I honestly used to believe I lived in a democracy in the UK.
Of course, if it does make the news, it should make up for the loss of advertising on the subway!
@Arbroath1320 – that’s the very chappy I seen on FB.
Thought-police: absolutely pathetic. Kind of makes your point for you but still. I bet some poor guy at SPT is getting dragged over the coals for doing his job instead of acting as an organ of the state.
It’s just a shame you don’t have some kind of platform to expose this decision and the individuals involved… hang on…
Glad to be of assistance twenty, that’s where I saw it too. 🙂
If they’re pulled, can we get several thousand people to go and complain in person at Buchanan Street, St Enoch and Hillhead ticket offices?
Sometime in the rush hour should do.
Been lurking for a while, registering quite simply to say if you have the energy to challenge this then, should there be a bananaballs legal fund set up, I’ll be there with my sweaty little PayPal account.
Whoever gave them legal advice on this is a snivelling coward.
every pro indy website will report this hopefully.
Aw, booooooo 🙁
Brilliant Stu. Wee cinema ad next.
Very disappointed to learn the adverts are to be taken down, following rather petty complaints from persons unknown.
If anyone wants to get in touch with SPT management regarding the decision, you can find details of the board below.
link to spt.co.uk
Suspect SPT might just be being a wee bit over cautious in response to the complaint but we’ll see.
Nightime projection on buildings would be cool, these subway posters will be collectible and valuable (rare, historical)in the future.
Especially after the 18th..
not over cautious, just simply scottish labour corruption.
These’ll get pulled by Labour – La Rosa Nostra still prevails in the cooncil & they’ll no put up with this ‘Scottish shit’ fur long.
Lets see how long it takes.
Sandwich boards?
Choke on this Big Mac!!
Just seen they are – Labour are a disgusting lot of Brits no more or less.
And all whilst those pr@cks in Aberdeen City Council are sending out letters, using taxpayers money, advocating people to vote no.
Hopefully the Streisand effect will come into effect.
FFS.
They got pulled? That’s just disgusting.
Why is advertising a website and stating a few facts considered “political advertising”? it’s not advertising any political party whatsoever.
Amazed that a body with a track record of Labour jobbery and corruption allowed them to appear in the first place.
It was probably stupidity on their part that got them through initially.
BT are becoming ever more bitter and authoritarian. Oh yes, and they’re winning by miles, eh, ‘Scottish’ MSM?
The adverts look great Stu! Can we have some on the Dundee buses as well? 😉
Pulled? Ridiculous.
How about having the ad projected at night onto Pacific Quay…or Edinburgh Castle, Scottish Parliament, Houses of Parliament, or Hydro?
Or one night on each venue?
They are terrified of the truth and will do all they can to stop it .i have been banned from phoning in to radio 5 because I told them so all this proves to me they have lost the argument big time like someone said it is like showing a vampire a crucifix sheer terror of the truth
If it is Blair McD, whats he so afraid of, afterall we’re just a bile-spouting, crackpot site full of simpletons, why would the smart folk of Glasgow believe what we have to say? 🙂
Surely if you’ve paid for the advertising space and the adverts are pulled, you will be entitled to a refund?
I wonder if Al-Jazeera or Russia Today would be interested in this story?…
Get them back Stu and auction them off to fund building projections
Dammit Schiehallion @5.37pm – that was going to be MY idea, but then the phone rang, and the rest is history …
Complaint duly sent!
@Geoff,
Don’t forget Labour and Tory headquarters ..
Have sent off a complaint to SPT. Told them this was an attack on our freedom of speech and our very democracy. Told them to reverse their decision or I would be boycotting the subway for some considerable time. Others should do likewise. Money talks.
Great ad Rev.
Here’s a currency to rival bitcoin, and auroracoin, who knows maybe we will use it in the future.
link to scotcoin.org
Was going to post the link but Betsy beat me to it – anyone notice the slight snag with the balance of the political affiliations?
11 Labour 5 SNP 3 Tories 1 Independent + 8 appointed (by Whom?) members
Well this censorship of what are pretty tame advertisements for a website, is yet more proof that better together and their deluded unionist lackies, are simply feart of people knowing the truth.
In reality, almost anything can be construed as ‘political’. In this instance I think a bad decision has been made, and it needs challenged – freedom of speech and all that. Just remember however, that the transport infrastructure in Glasgow is not all run or owned by SPT, so ads can be deployed elsewhere. The story will be more effective than the ads anyway.
I have to say however, that this decision to remove these ads, is a bit like what might be expected in North Korea – does nobody in the Labour party value free speech anymore?? Are we really at this stage?
Can we buy the posters?
What about a plane banner ( plane not plain ) with the Wings logo – flying over major events this summer
You will be getting a refund of your advertising revenue yes??
Bastards!
I was so looking forward to the big full size one with the logo and then simply saying
SCOTLAND – YOU CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH!
First they ignore you,
then they laugh at you,
then they remove your Subway adverts,
and then you win.” (Thomas the Tank Engine)
This silly complaint may just come back to bit the NO campaign in the back side.Did you get a receipt…money back for next grand plan..( PS theres an empty Tie Rack glass box shaped store inside Central Station!)
Is Archie Graham (aka Mr J Lamont) still on the SPT committee? If not he will still be able to have a wee word or else he could set Stairheid on them.
Amazing how the better together crowd claims to have all the air cover, journalists in their pocket etc., but at the sight of a few banners go into a funk and start whining at people. They don’t sound too secure do they?
Democracy rules okay, but only when it’s their version it appears.
Rev, are you able to post a jpeg of the advert so we can put it up on our facebook banners etc? I have loads of sticky labels I could print it on and stick all over the place. (not the Glasgow underground of course…)
@colin young
Isn’t Pacific Quay Labour Party headquarters?
‘It’s not as if Scotland is being oppressed”
Really. Johann? Evidence would suggest otherwise.
I have no words. I guess things will get really down and dirty after all…
@ Mary Bruce – brilliant idea lets all do it in unison at 9pm tonight in Solidarity with our banner 🙂
Mary, it would be interesting to see how long the stickers would last before the scrapers got to work. Some people are determined to suppress anything to do with Yes.
To be fair, if these were seen by BT staff on their way to work then job done by some margin! The story about suppression of free speech is icing on the cake.
And all for free. Nice one Stu.
If BT is behind the ads being pulled, it needs the widest possible shitstorm to make people aware of it. This could seriously backfire on them.
Bawheid Bragg says:
I wonder if Al-Jazeera or Russia Today would be interested in this story?…
*ahem* I’ve just sent a wee e-mail to both Russia Today and Al Jazeera. Oops. 🙂
“We’ve just been informed that SPT have indeed demanded that the ads be pulled, and that they’ll probably be gone by tomorrow”
link to en.wikipedia.org
People should take care about such manoeuvres. They often backfire.
Complain, SPT don’t like controversy.
Blair goes to Hollyrood – Relax
Friday April 4th…Counting House meet up…it is right next to the Subway….Flash Mob you say…
Take them to court and draw it out for as long as possible. More free advertising.
I trust there will be a full refund?
It’s not Wings’ fault they were put up even though they were later deemed to breach rules…
Guardian journalist Severin Carrell on Twitter describes the WOS Glasgow subway ads as “attacking Scottish press”.
I’ve always thought that attacking the press would be something similar to what happened to the German news media under the Nazis or the Russian news media under the Soviet Union.
Rev – give us something to headline this and we can all put it on FB – that’s quite a lot of people
Didn’t Alistair Watson used to be chairman of SPT before he had to resign for some strangeness, and is he not the one who regularly wanders around with Johann Lamont, Odd or what. Just asking
BTW…if its a quiet week, you never know, Scotland Tonight might just be ready to pick this up…
“IM JOHN MACKAY…WELCOME TO STALINGRAD!”
Can you appeal the decision?
Maybe it can generate a Streisand effect and they may come to regret this action.
Repost this article widely & often!
Prob been suggested, why not arrange a large outdoor party simply called .. YES .. as most creative types seem to gravitate to pro indy so a guaranteed big lineup of artists not forgetting a goood DJ collective for the dance ! and nigh time projection, maybe onto blimps.
Thousands of people, summer is coming, please can anybody arrange an old castle, farmyard barn anything celebrating the new Scotland.
Now that would be an advert..
PS wish i had the clout, finance to make it a happen.
Get a story out to the mainstream about that. At the very least, the pro-indy media will pick it up and no doubt one or two of the mainstream will notice too. Then consider a legal challenge. You might never actually have to fight such a case. The story getting out would get you more publicity than the ads anyway.
Just a small gesture of support, but I’ve changed the banner on my Facebook page to show the ad.
The next step is to get spt to publish a spoof poster purporting to be from better together and see who picks up on that…
Call Mr Anwar.
‘Subway Takes Fright at Wings’
Read all about…
I would suggest that an immediate request for the ‘Metro’ to be removed from all Glasgow transport on the grounds that it constitutes ‘Political Advertising’
Damn it, I’m really having a bad day today, I’ve just tweeted Scotland Tonight suggesting they find out what folks in Glasgow think about the ads and SPT pulling them. Oops! 🙂
“”At the very least, the pro-indy media will pick it up
#Kenny, Maybe you haven’t noticed, but there are no pro-indy media.
What’s wrong with the wings logo and the words underneath “Wings Over Scotland” Doesn’t state anything political . Just a nice, wee, protective birdie!?
‘Subway Takes Fright at Wings’
Maybe it was Iain Gray that complained?
Wings IS the Scottish Press. 😀
Brilliant ad Stu, looking forward to seeing more, even if the NoScotland mob pull them all. They will still be seen by many before they are. Also gives us proof of the bias that exists in this campaign.
I take this as a sign that they really are running scared now, truth and positivity will win on the day.
That said, I intend to send in a strong complaint to SPT tomorrow, just as soon as I’ve taken a wee trip on the subway (no been on one in years) to see what sh1t is allowed to be advertised 🙂
“Subway Safe for Muppets”
Read all about…
Ok I’m going to be mr smelly pants on this and say that placing advertising on SPT transport, though ballsy, is crazy by sheer fact that SPT is politically controlled, and must have been certain to been on a hiding.
A bit akin to placing communist advert in an American republican broadsheet in the 50’s. You can do it, but once they cotton on to what its for they will remove it.
BUT Having said that, you can still be ballsy and buy advertising space near to or opposite various locations that are either political or media. Now they cannot say anything as its big, in your face and its not contravening any ASA conditions.
COMPLAIN TO SPT OVER THEIR CENSORING OF WINGS OVER SCOTLAND ADVERTS. complaints@spt.co.uk
Ooop have I done a woopsy?
O/T.
Labour won’t freeze energy prices or break up banks,if they gain power in 2015, says John Mills one of their biggest donors. Mr Mills says Ed Miliband, will keep pushing party rhetoric, in order to gain power.
link to telegraph.co.uk
HELP!
Can someone please the doctor for me, I’ve just had another relapse, I’ve tweeted BBC Scotland news and Newsnight Scotland asking if they agree with these ads being pulled and if so why. Oops! 🙂
@ scottish_skier
Yes! Ian Gray. Imagine the poor chump’s alarm. Somewhere he thought he’d be safe… Whit trauma.
@Betsy
Thanks for the link. I have e-mailed the press office and asked them to clarify the reasons for their decision to pull the ads, a copy of their guidelines and the name of the person responsible for the decision.
Anyone else writing to them?
Colin Young, I’ve said it before. Glasgow Green is perfect as is the River Clyde with crowds thronging the banks. They hold a river festival. So lets have a Yes festival on the river. Glasgow is the largest mass of Scotlands population and Labours fiefdom we need to target it big. A blimp from a boat on the river, with bands playing on deck, perfect.
Great idea Rev! Pity about Labour SPT . Stagecoach is a great idea, with lots of buses throughout Scotland . I know that that will cost more, but think about the No Pensioners and the huge amount of Nos who use buses in Fife!
Fancy sharing the PDFs for the ads with us Rev? They might just mysteriously appear all over the place 🙂
Wait what?! Severin Carrell ?@severincarrell 27 mins.@WingsScotland buys ads in every Glasgow subway car attacking Scottish press.
So vote NO Guardian’s man in Scotland says the WoS ad “attacks” Scottish press for stating UK media is anti Scottish democracy, yet Carrell daily attacks new democracy in Scotland and the Guardian prints this kind of stuff weekly link to bellacaledonia.org.uk
@joe kane says:
25 March, 2014 at 6:18 pm
Is that not called competition, something the MSM is terrified of. Look at the sales figures.
Just e-mailed them myself Jeannie. 🙂
If this doesn’t produce a Streisand effect, what will?
Cracking add, but can I make a slightly niggly comment in the hope of guiding future design work? This comes with a word of caution as I was only management and not production. The likes of Macart would be able to correct me or offer tips themselves.
I would suggest avoiding heavy blocks of dark colours. They might look strong but could prove difficult to achieve good results with on homee printers. They will definitely hammer the ink and your pocket.
For example, the above add wouldn’t take long to kill your Magenta and Cyan, which are reasonably ‘weak’ colours. You would also be surprised how much yellow, an even ‘weaker’ colour, goes in to that shade of blue. It doesn’t use a lot of black though. 🙂
Colin Young: Yestival
link to facebook.com
Even Valerie Watt, Chief Executive, Aberdeen City Council has resigned today in protest at Wings subway poster demise. [My thoughts]
Her real reasons for moving to Irish pastures will eventually come out I guess. Hardly an overnight decision eh?
Not one mention on BBC Scotland News but STV ran the story with ACC Leader Barney Crockett stating that Ms Watt was good for the city but now the SNP will smear Aberdeen City Council as they do on a daily basis. Yeah right Mr Crockett, ordinary non political Aberdonians have marked your card.
How very scared these people are.
I do hope the self-appointed censors have factored in the Streisand Effect, we-ell, you know, they’ve been so successful with everything else they’ve tried, haven’t they? 😉
There will be plans to bring this to the wider attention, of course? 😀
Any sort of legal challenge is a loser as far as I can see. Trying to argue that it’s not political advertising when the site is clearly political would be a bit daft. plenty mileage in the ads being pulled though.
@Kenny … what pro-indi media?
I’m going to ride SPT and complain about any ad I see that I think looks political. Especially unionist media ones.
I have emailed them to complain and have copied in the Evening Times news desk.
“I am concerned about allegations regarding censorship by Strathclyde Passenger Transport of advertising on the subway which have come to my attention. Can you confirm that claims that SPT have suppressed Wings Over Scotland adverts are untrue?
If these claims are true, can you confirm to me in what way the adverts have contravened your advertising guidelines?
Yours faithfully
Andrew G Morton”
Here is the add.
link to twitter.com
Are we in Turkey or Kiev !!
Democracy is at stake hear…
“Ok I’m going to be mr smelly pants on this and say that placing advertising on SPT transport, though ballsy, is crazy by sheer fact that SPT is politically controlled, and must have been certain to been on a hiding.”
Um, that is certainly true. Not think the Rev might have thought of this? Shitloads of publicity for the price of a few subway ads.
What’s the word they use? Priceless? 😉
Maybe some of your Glasgow readers might want to ride on the Subway with tape over their mouths handing out Wings leaflets to passengers.
Brian Bell
Director of Subway Operations
Strathclyde Partnership for Transport
Consort House
12 West George Street
Glasgow G2 1HN
Telephone: 0141 332 6811
2 choices spend money fighting them spend money subverting them
Dead simple pay lawyers or pay to produce small sticker with logo and website and let us stick it to end
Time to get a certain Mr Anwar on the phone..
Time to write to the Electoral Commission and get an official response to Aberdeen Council’s mis-use of public money for the ‘No’ letters.
Time for an Aberdonian, who pays their council tax there to do an FOI request to Aberdeen Council to find out how much the No letters cost.
I’ll never set foot in the subway again.
Of course, it helps that I live in Edinburgh.
One suggestion; the next ad [and I’m sure there will be one], a blue background, a fluttering feather or two and the web address leading directly to this article. No other dialogue.
O/T
If you want to see a man who is a master of his craft, you should watch the video I have linked below. The First Minister was in Irvine today, and gave a political masterclass. I have seen him speak many times, but never seen him so on form as he was today. An absolute joy. No wonder David Cameron is feart to debate with him.
Watch it and marvel.
link to scotreferendum.com
So SPT are banning the Wings advert.How long before they ban YES supporters from travelling on the trains? I actually think this ban is great news for various reasons.It will galvanise supporters to work even harder.It will engender feelings of “ownership” of this site among its readers.And it shows just how terrified the NO camp is.
Stu,have a good read of your agreement with SPT.You have a contract with them.It sounds to me like they sold you something and aren’t going to provide it,for no good reason.Their small print in the agreement might not stand up to legal scrutiny.Get stuck into them.
Everybody MUST complain to SPT. I have just given them both barrels. – Orwellian thought control, old Soviet Union etc etc. Send your complaint to-
complaints@spt..co.uk
Their complaints email box will be somewhat full by tomorrow morning 🙂 I’m sure if we asked them who complained and why, we would be refused an answer.
Buuutttt… If one set of advertising is being removed my immature self would assume that all advertising is being removed.
I would want to ask:
when the board decided to remove all advertising
how much notice they have given advertisers
how much revenue is being lost
how SPT plan to make up that shortfall
how much ticket prices will rise because of this
This is too difficult a set of questions for the people at complaints to answer. The thought of ticket prices being raised because of this is very worrying, so I think SPT legal department need to be consulted. That’s what the Freedom of Information service is for, is it not?
I feel the need to send my email to foi at spt dot co dot uk
Anyone care to join me?
Rev You should put on your new / replacement ads something like:
“This advert was banned from the Glasgow Subway by Labour controlled SPT”
I’ve put the banned Wings advert on my facebook whatsit.
Marcia
Film them doing it and get it on utube.
@robert Louis, I was also there today , he was absolutely excellent. Very impressed with the meeting overall. Good crowd as well.
#projectfear
fast becoming…
#projectcrappingit
The ads have been pulled?
Outrageous.
If it was The Times or Pravda’s ad stating, “Crimea – Russian or European? Read the argument in our national newspaper” the ads would not attract political retribution.
I hope you will make hay with this development in the press. Another blatant attempt to suppress open debate.
I can understand SPT’s position on this to be honest. It doesn’t really matter what the issue is, they have to try and avoid being seen as associated with any particular viewpoint. This advert isn’t explicitly saying “vote Yes”, but there’s a clear political implication behind it – i.e. all of the media is anti-independence so come to us and find out the real story.
Em not end god auto correct
Advertising on private cars is a good idea! I’d be willing to have my car decked out in a wings livery.
I’ve just e-mailed my M.S.P. Although I do not live in the Glasgow area I have asked that she pass my e-mail on to someone who can ask the relevant questions “in the house.” 😛
@cynical-Highlander
Thanks for that . Just put it up on Facebook with a nice wee story about Glasgow Underground !
Got a jpg?
“Got a jpg?”
See here: link to wingsoverscotland.com
Where are the limits to politicisation? I’ve seen anti-European advertising on the London tube from The Economist (a neocon blatt aimed at US corporate employees), and no-one seemed to take umbrage at it.
Arbroath 1320 says:
I’ve just e-mailed my M.S.P. Although I do not live in the Glasgow area I have asked that she pass my e-mail on to someone who can ask the relevant questions “in the house.” 😛
Just received a reply from my M.S.P. who says she has passed this story on to their Press department. 🙂
As I’ve said to my M.S.P., if SPT thought they could just nonchalantly remove these advertisements without a fight then they have another thing coming. 🙂
It used to be my favourite rail network until now!
surely they must put this in front of the advertising standards people. The ads are not saying vote yes. All they are saying find out the truth. Which again is not a political statement.
Wasn’t it the Gaurdian who won a court action back in the 70s 80s for encouraging people to buy their paper and read the truth about SPYCATCHER for themselves?
Complaint sent.
As an aside. Ski chalets companies here in the Alps have small palm sized stickers/adverts that they use and slap them onto chairlift pylons and turnstiles in ski resorts as they pass by. Cheap advertising and gets the message into high footfall areas.
Just a thought.
Id love to see a clockwork Orange plastered in Wings emblems 🙂
Great adverts and on the plus side the subway must have about 35,000 passengers a day. A lot of people have seen these adverts so they know what they look like. This means that our complaints of censorship will resonate because so many will have seen a very innocuous and if I may say so quite attractive advert.
Better Together can’t help themselves, they try to ban everything. If that doesn’t let people know who the bad guys are I don’t know what will. It must rot their guts that Yes Scotland have secured so much billboard space.
Just emailed complaint…it’ll be interesting to see how they respond to the bombardment of these complaints…here’s my tuppence worth:
Dear Sir/Madam,
I am writing to complain about the imminent removal of adverts on Glasgow underground subway carriages. I think it’s outrageous that these information ads. from Wings over Scotland are about to be/have been ‘pulled’. These ads. are for a website that provides a service, that service is information. I would like to know why these ads. are being removed, on what grounds did spt decide to the take this unusual decision?
Spt obviously makes money on advertising on the underground, why having decided to sell this space, has spt suddenly decided to renege on a contract?
If decisions to remove adverts are based on the complaints of subway users, then decisions to reinstate should also be considered on the basis of complaints from other subway users. I am a subway user, I have no problem with these adverts. They are not in breach of any of spt’s policies and if they are, I would be grateful if you would let me know exactly how they have breached your policies?
Yours faithfully
@ Heedtracker
I read the Bella Caledonia essay – very good piece of polemic, mostly obvious, but one gratuitous remark irks.
Alasdair Gray is not our “greatest living artist.” He’s a truly innovative novelist and illustrator, but no painter. There are others of great painterly achievement.
I admit my pedantry is niggardly in this instance set against the greater accompt, and I hate making it because to my mind he penned the most courageous of essays seen so far on honest independence diverted, his scathing “settlers and colonialists” diatribe that in masterly fashion encapsulates so much of Scotland’s artificial containment and frustrations. I believe it will become standard reading in schools in years to come, and history degrees too. Nevertheless…
If raising standards in everyday life, not only aesthetic education, is part of regaining autonomy and in so doing, also raising our nation’s confidence, our self-esteem, we should know misleading hyperbole when we see it.
The banners would be great for Yes tables during street campaigning.
Try offering them to Yes Scotland for distribution.
Albert Herring says:
If they’re pulled, can we get several thousand people to go and complain in person at Buchanan Street, St Enoch and Hillhead ticket offices?
Sometime in the rush hour should do.
That would certainly clog up the works. It might even be considered sabotage. 😉
Claimed explanations include:
That it derives from the Netherlands in the 15th century when workers would throw their sabots (wooden shoes) into the wooden gears of the textile looms to break the cogs, fearing the automated machines would render the human workers obsolete.[1]
That it derives from the French sabot (a wooden shoe or clog) via its derivative saboter (to knock with the foot, or work carelessly).[2]
That it derives from the late 19th-century French slang use of the word sabot to describe an unskilled worker, so called due to their wooden clogs or sabots; sabotage was used to describe the poor quality work of such workers.[3]
Luddites and radical labor unions such as the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW) have advocated sabotage as a means of self-defense and direct action against unfair working conditions.
link to en.wikipedia.org
Okay, a private individual takes out advertisements promoting his website. This individual (The Rev) does not belong to a political party and the website doesn’t advertise any affiliation to any political party. The website is a commentary on the Scottish media’s handling of politics in Scotland whether be it in print, broadcasting or digital. It is a legitimate commercial concern as it promotes the sale of merchandise with affiliates to other commercial businesses.
The decision by SPT to take down these posters surely contravenes The Rev’s right to free speech considering he is free to advertise his website in newspapers, on the web and television if he so desires. So the decision by SPT is in fact political in itself by refusing the right of said individual the means to advertise the website which carries a commercial as well as written commentary. I think this would warrant further scrutiny by a legal eye. SPT can refuse given legitimate concerns in a political context (following their own rules), but they are wrong in this instance because these posters aren’t political, they simply advertise a critique by commentary on the media in Scotland without political affiliation of any party. If it comes down to political beliefs of the owner of the website, then I think SPT are even on shakier ground.
That’s wot I fink.
Ive just fired this off to SPT complaints. If everyone here does the same they can’t ignore us
Dear Sirs
I write to register my disgust at the removal of Wings Over Scotland adverts. These adverts do not breach any advertising standards and do not make any political point. They merely point toward an alternative source of information.
If you are not going to reinstate the adverts then I feel duty bound to register a formal complaint about any adverts for the mainstream media which you allow. As you are no doubt aware the MSM are taking an openly pro-union stance in the referendum debate therefore if you carry an advert for any of these newspapers you are in breach of your own rules.
Removing these Wings Over Scotland adverts which make no political point is undemocratic to the point of censorship and you should in the interests of balance reinstate them as a matter of urgency.
As you are a public body you answer to the public. With this in mind we demand to know who made this complaint, who made the decision to uphold it and on what basis the complaint was made. I tryst that you are aware that this decision reflects really badly on you.
Regards
A believer in free speech and democracy
(Name deleted)
At least they will have been noticed,maybe now noticed more because of their sudden absence,well done,keep it up 🙂
Disgraceful pulling that add, wish I had taken one when I was there 🙂
As for Aberdeen Council sending out no leaflets, as I have said on twitter, what is to stop Glasgow City Council doing the same, I will be at the front of the George Square demo when this happens.
My complaint is in, hope many will follow
The ban and the subsequent row is going to attract a lot of publicity out with the Glasgow area. More people will find out about Wings. Result!
Reading the posts on this thread I’m thinking there are going to be one or two individuals at SPT tomorrow morning reaching for the paracetamol before 9 a.m. I wonder how many SPT employees are going to wondering their corridors of power repeating the phrase “ma brain hurts!” 🙂
Heads-up everyone!
The removal of these legitimate ads from a public space is intimidation.
It is psychological bullying on behalf of the state.
Don’t be intimidated and don’t be provoked.
Stay steady. We are winning the argument.
That they resort to these tactics is proof of that.
The finish line is in site.
@G H Bell
@Rev Stu
I really, really think posting details for Brian Bell is a bad idea…. It doesn’t matter if this can be found online anyway through a Google search – didn’t an SNP MSP recently have to make an apology because of something similar?
We can at least try our best not to become targets of cybernat accusations…. the idea of the frothing nat at his laptop has already seeped into many people’s minds and there’s no need to add fuel to the fire.
Spot on Alfresco Dent and this is nothing when it comes to the British State and their desire for oil, that is what is at the bottom of this IMO, if you don’t believe me people check it out for yourselves, you will be shocked.
I hope you don’t mind the link Stu.
“SUBWAYGATE”
This could be big. I mean really really big.
Let The People Speak.
@ rab_the_doubter
Any objections to me putting your draft letter all over Facebook? Thought not.
Job done!
Thing is AD no one here is intimidated by the latest actions of the SPT. The Better Together crowd are obviously trying to put pressure onto SPT which resulted in the ads being removed, however as usual, they did not think their actions all the way through because by doing this they have let the genie out of the bottle. We are now most definitely in the driving seat in this referendum in my view. When one side of an argument constantly tries to shut down the arguments of the other side people eventually begin to notice and the opposite effect to what they hope for happens, this case is in my view no exception.
From what folks have been saying about this removal action of the SPT they are in for one hell of a shock in the coming days and weeks ahead I reckon, and not just them but Better Together as well. Wouldn’t it be amazing if the next round of referendum polls showed an even closer meeting of polling numbers if not in fact YES ahead as a result of these actions. 🙂
@ Jenny
I resent that. I have never knowingly “frothed”. ????
Did you say that you would send out copies to anyone who wants them with a sticky back for anyone to put where they want too, for free?
@Alfresco Dent
Go for it. The more complaints the better. Feel free to edit as you see fit.
Democracy. Free speech. Aye, as long as you are part of a throughly discredited council, and follow the party line. Anything else, forget it. Yes, the complaint has been sent, but I don’t expect any sensible reply, My god, these people could teach dictatorial regimes a few tricks. Why, oh why, do the people of Glasgow keep re-electing them?
I have written to Barbra Streisand’s people, asking if it would be possible to erect the adverts outside her house instead.
So, this means that Better Together can’t use SPT to advertise on now. Excellent..
As someone said previously, might be an idea to try Mr Souter, I am sure he would be sympathetic!
I must say I have never seen an add that projects a positive message re. the advertised product. Neither have I seen an add that suggest the competition may not be satisfactory.
Only saying.
@ Grouse Beater, so who is our greatest living artist?
Its just jaw dropping to see the Guardian’s Severin Carrell, one more UKOK journalist, deeply anti Scottish democracy, even more anti Salmond/SNP Scots.gov, tweeting the WoS advert an “attack on Sottish press.”
Everyone knows how hard UK media daily attacks possible Scottish democracy Sept, including everything about the why YES voters of Scotland are voting YES. From the Daily Mail to my local rag the P&J, BBC, ITV, the Guardian, all are determined to annihilate a possible democratic future for Scotland. Point this out in a tiny crowd funded public transport ad and for professional hypocrites, its an “attack.”
This could catch on
link to m.youtube.com
Juat sayin’ like
Why not engage the Govan Law Centre to fight a legal case against SPT over this?
It would be fun.
That’s my complaint off to SPT as well. Grrr!
Seriously,everyone fire off a complaint.Takes 1 minute to write one up.
I see Stu just mentioned over on twitter that ad company has given him ads elsewhere. Amazing how fast things can turn around these days. Let’s hope one of the ‘new’ locations is right outside SPT’s headquarters. 🙂
Absolutely brilliant Rev 🙂
And if anybody interested we are currently doing an Indy live stream…
link to new.livestream.com
Severin seemed shocked and personally affronted in his remarks on twitter.
That the consensus of opinion he represents might be challenged… Eye opening stuff.
@ Arbroath 1320
I hear what you’re saying but you’re being just a tad naive if you don’t mind me saying. The British State will stop at nothing to prevent us from securing our assets. Make no mistake, as Buster Bloggs points out ^up there^, they couldn’t care less about us! It is about their balance of payments. Take away oil, whisky, tourism & renewables and the Pound is going to sink like a stone. They know it and Alex Salmond knows it.
I suggest the Krone.
I’m not going to name names but there’s a local bus company around these parts whose buses all feature stickers promoting independence. But then I’m in Dundee, not Glasgow.
As others will tell you AD, I am the one, the only naive of all naives here on this site. 🙂
I tend to just spout things out as they pop into my head without worrying too much about what the “other side” might be able to do. I don’t really concentrate on them, just so long as we are getting our message out them I’m happy we are defeating anything the “dark side” can put out.
At the end of the day it is, in my view, all about belief. I believe that we are winning the arguments and we will win on Sept 18th and I also believe that there is nothing that the “dark side” can come up with that will derail the Independence Express currently running full pelt towards victory on 19th Sept. 😛
Advertising on SPT.
Interesting SPT advertising info from their own website.
link to spt.co.uk
Rev, you really are a wind up merchant. I like it 🙂
Sounds like breach of contract by SPT. Damages claim.
@ Heedtracker
I never quote know if its Severin or his sub that drops in the antagonistic verb to each article.
Newspapers are in the habit of turning the normal into a personal drama; people don’t argue the case, they “attack” the opposition. It’s lazy, and as you point out, often leads to biased interpretation, or as Professor Robertson reports, is part of the thought control keeping the masses compliant.
Anyhow, good to see you still fighting.
(There’s half-a-dozen Scots-born world-class painters, each working in different ways. They’re internationally respected, often by non-Scottish painters, but not necessarily promoted by the Scottish press. Vettriano has a better chance of column inches than any of them, even if it’s to say the same thing.)
@Jenny
Re Brian Bell, the details are on the SPT WEBSITE, and it’s HIS JOB!!
We ARE winning this.
Printing copies as I write……
How in hell did Saachi get its infamous “Labour Isn’t Working” billboard passed?
A modest factual advert placed in Glasgow’s circular underground and it’s removed? – another example of information suppressed by the self-proclaimed defenders of democracy.
@Alfresco Dent
What!? No Froth!?? 🙂
@Jamie Arriere
I know that – that’s why I said even though you can Google it…. I just think posting names and addresses – even work ones – provides a really easy target against us.
@ Arbroath 1320
We are winning. I believe that much. I also believe there could be a chap at the door any minute and you might never hear from me again. Paranoid? I hope so.
As Machiavelli said in ‘The Prince’, “keep your friends close and your enemies closer”.
Complaint winging its way to SPT.
Well I’ve fired off a complaint to SPT also. I’m sure the Daily Mail will report this coordinated Cybernat attack as only they can…
Contacted spt informed them I would expect all newspapers magazines with political stories to be removed .will be going round stations any political story I see on papers adverts etc will complain hold up queue stuff them
I don’t know about the chap at the door AD. My partner expects the chap at the door most nights, she’s convinced I’m a complete and utter nutter! 🙂
Some news outlets are covering this.
link to newsnetscotland.com
So i take it the Spectator magazine, Private Eye, New Statesman, other, and all other newspapers with a political story on the front page in full view of passengers in any train station shop/premises will no longer be advertised to sell in the full view of the public and removed?. Bullshit !
No. I will not give them the business. So they think these banners wrong. Well let them post a contesting banner claiming that impartial reporting is bad for people, if they have a gripe.
Thats a shame the ads got pulled,looked great by the way!
Maybe youll have better luck in Edinburgh on LRT buses?
Im out canvessing for YES musselburgh,in wallyford,weds night.My first time and so looking forward to it,I can feel a change coming….
I started to question the democratic status of Britain at the tender age of eleven. That was in 1979, right after the goalposts were moved, after the fact.
Come on Scotland. Are you ants to be crushed under a Union Jackboot?
P.S. I missed Dundee, so unless anyone is expressly against my music selections, you might get some more later on. 🙂
No one gets off at Cowcaddens, luckily that ten second stop was put to good use in taking the photos!
Rev, What soes the advertising contract signed with Forrest or whoever say? Can you demand they stick to it? If not can you demand they refund the cost of the printing etc?
Best 20 quid I ever spent!
“Going underground” I expect The Jam tomorrow
Bastards
If you normally use the tube take the bus for a week and ask your colleagues to do the same, see how quickly the loss of revenue focuses the minds of those behind this idiotic knee jerk reaction to the complaint about WoS’s entirely accurate first foray in to mass advertising.
@Thomas William Dunlop
“Jam tomorrow”. Funny, that’s what the BT lot are promising.
Thomas William Dunlop – the jam tomorrow, like the cake, doesn’t exist. 🙂
This is the country we live in where only the British state is allowed airtime.Where you can’t have an advert that is factual because it might encourage self learning.This is the country we want out of so that Scotland can learn to breathe again without a British ventilator.
@ Heedtracker
I think I missed the obvious:
It was on his Twitter site Severin Carrell asserts that the adverts are an attack on the press?
If he has, and if he means that, what can you say about such an idiotic, ludicrous statement?
How can any individual “attack the press”?
Is the the same press that has an almost unanimous stance against Scotland’s democratic development? Shock, horror.
What’s with the twisted knickers and complaints?
If they have a no political advertising rule and you are advertising a website that describes itself straight up saying ‘Wings Over Scotland is a Scottish political website’ and ‘Scotlands largest political party’ then of course they are going to object when they notice.
I rather suspect that may have been stu’s ploy all along.
Time for camomile tea and a spot of yoga.
“We’d like to make clear that we CANNOT confirm that the complainant may have been a Mr …”
Instead of making a point about bias media, you now sound like a child having a tantrum that your ball has been taken away.
@A2
Because the ad is almost anodyne.
It is factual.
It does not say “Vote SNP, vote Independence.”
Surely this has got to stop, wings banned from a simple info advert yet Aberdeen council, at tax payers expense,send letters requesting folk vote NO. Disgraceful behaviour of the people that think they have the right to stop valid information. Why is this not legal on both counts.
The NO campaign is filled with corruption , control of the people and disgraceful behaviour, nothing to be proud of or support. If we allow this our whole society will be the worse for it.
Could the ads not be posted in the newspapers themselves?
Ttime for some very sticky labels?
@ IFG
“Instead of making a point about bias media, you now sound like a child having a tantrum that your ball has been taken away.
And you somebody who can’t tell the difference between censorship and an infant wailing.
They are really losing the plot..
SPT Official- “I have a cunning plan.’When is an advert not an advert’, haha”
but actually much more of an advert 😉
Glad they’re that daft,it doesn’t half help us out.
At least a few extra folk are going to get here after this.
Great to see Newsnet posting article about it straight away
link to newsnetscotland.com
The more we all work together in our grass-roots/ online/ no one in charge kinda way the more frazzled the Better Together mob will become.
Anyone noticed any frazzled sounding Unionists lately…. 😉
Attack on the press? God love them.This is the same press that is going through court for tapping peoples phones,relentlessly pursued Tommy Sheridan,denegrate those who favour independence on a daily basis,character assassinate Salmond every other day!Simply Breathtaking.
@tartanpigsy – Anyone noticed any frazzled sounding Unionists lately – All of them 🙂
@Croompenstein
Exacto
I was thinking about( night time Projection)as others
have done earlier on in the thread, lets Light up Glasgow,
Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Dundee, Stirling, there,s plenty
Wingers could do it, whats the costs of a Projection machine
I,m in for a £100,CMon Rev we,re no laying doon tae they
Basterds.
Just been discussing the “banned ad” with my partner…AGAIN! 🙂
I think we are now getting close to the position where we will be ordering a couple of T-shirts from Vista Print. 😛
why not just change it to an online newspaper advert
Scottish news in Scotland!
Scotlands newest newspaper!
Keep it going – make it so I can print and leave on the train
I hope you cancelled the cheques
You cant pay for a service you haven’t received