Wings Over Scotland

Sums him up nicely.. made me chuckle

There are some things that just won’t polish.

Fabulous cartoon Chris. I envy your talent to tell a long story in one picture.

Totally apt, well done ?

Brilliant! The man who has gone on about testing every week at FMQ’s should be reminded daily that 131 WM Tories voted against testing for NHS staff and Care staff – every single Scottish Tory voted against it including Sec of State and ex Sec of State. Brass neck does not even begin to describe him.

You cannot polish a turd.

Lovely Chris, perfectly capturing Carlaws grubby politics and his merry gang of neathderols who bring nothing to Scottish politics except keeping chairs warm, drawing large salaries and raising false accusations, feeding the bbc & smears. They are the very reason that PR needs abolished at Holyrood. Marvellous Chris and ta for the chuckle.

That’s Glinner’s account been suspended.

Some days, I don’t think we’ll ever win against them.

What’s the old saying? You can polish a Tory as much as you want, but it’s still a Tory.

@Achnababan,

think that`s a tape dispenser 🙂

I see John Major believes Covid will make independence more difficult. I’m not sure what analysis he is using but being a Tory it could be we are not reducing our pension costs as efficiently as they are in England.

BBC Scotland are not happy their anti-Scotland message is not getting across, support just keeps growing (well not reducing anyway). They have sent out their coded message ‘powder-keg’ in the hope they can get some serious rioting in the streets of Glasgow, it must be getting near the last throw of the dice for them.

jfngw says: 27 June, 2020 at 9:48 am

O/T Why does BBC Scotland keep on asking ‘why are you not following England’ in the corona virus response. With zero deaths compared to 183 yesterday you would think the question should be ‘why are England not following Scotland’s lead’

Considering the size of England,it’s population and how it’s distributed throughout it’s land mess, it is obvious different types of responses are required for different parts of England.

I wonder if the question of regional responses to the health crisis for different parts of England was asked to the BBC Scotland they would be speechless as it doesn’t fit in with their narrative of Scotland/SNP bad?

Leading Labour branch office in Scotland activist Sean Baillie has quit the party due to Labours leader and millionaire Knight of the Realm Sir Keir Starmer opposing our democratic right to a second Scottish independence referendum.

link to thenational.scot

@PacMan

England is not organised to respond in the way you suggest, The councils of England do not have the power required and I can’t see WM ever giving it to them. If they did that they would also certainly need to increase Scotland’s powers, a definite no-no for them.

Not sure of the land mass comment, Scotland’s land mass is 2/3rd of England and more difficult a terrain when an outbreak occurs in a more remote area.

Another good Scottish saying for people of the Carlaw calibre
Is his ability to crawl under a snakes belly while wearing a top hat.

As a failed car dealer he will also be aware of the term for selling and old banger.

It’s a Tar Boiler with a Wax job.

Exactly what the Tory party are best described as!

The site below will be confirming 10,000,000 tested Covid positive today.
There will also be confirmed 500,000 Covid deaths globally.

We know the Tories are hiding 20,000 plus deaths and many of the other
Corrupt governments such as in Trumpland will be playing the same game.

The third world nations can not afford testing or recording so I would in no way
Be surprised if the real numbers were double those recorded.

Queue the Unionist Trolls to tell us it’s all lies and it’s just the Common Cold.

re Twitter ban for glinner – perhaps it’s up to too-big-to-fail JK Rowling to make the point about free speech and science denying censorship. She could probably fund a rival social media platform.

The new ISP can challenge the gender nonsense in the one place where they can make a difference, the next Holyrood election.

@Capella 11.53am

I hope you’re right about the ISP: we certainly need some alternative as the SNP appears to be a lost cause. It seems to have been a fairly amateurish start IMO, and I’m not convinced they will reach “escape velocity” to gain a significant number of MSPs without upping their game or coming up with some big hitters?

I doubt JKR is that bothered about constructing a twitter alternative. As an individual she’s pretty untouchable due to her position and wealth. There are already alternative platforms, but as pointed out earlier, people are loathed to use things that haven’t reached critical mass. Going forward those supporting a list only party like ISP or any future WoS party need to look at organising on a federated, open source community where the can’t be de-platformed or banned.

Some Scots did very well out of the British empire, Sutherland, Jardine, Matheson..
link to globalresearch.ca
No need for woke hand wringing or sackcloth, it’s simply history from which we learn about the true nature of globalist imperialism, its schemes, projects and fork tongued agents.
The Afghan Taliban attempted to eradicate opium poppy cultivation. Under US occupation and patronage it restarted.
Using narcotics and intoxicants to weaken cultures is an old imperialist trick. Viruses are rather handy too.

@ Andy Ellis – I agree the ISP needs some big names to make an impression. It would be great if Alex Salmond would join – and Stu and Craig! Annoy all the right people. Indycar Gordon Ross has joined. But I’m as guilty as any for not going to their website yet.

I’ve heard that members of Wokus Dei are planning to become candidates in the next Holyrood election. If any Branch is stupid enough to select them, then the ISP will have to have a leaflet campaign to hand to educate the voters.

Just how expensive would it be to develop a new platform for sharing news and video? I did join Gab but it’s so right wing I think I’ll cancel.

@Andy Ellis

Yes, it’s a dilemma what is the correct route to take, do we try and be cleverer with our use of Twitter and is it possible (I’m not on twitter but I do have a Mastodon account, it’s quiet compared to twitter , I can still read most peoples posts there without joining, only a couple of people I recognise there). There was a mass influx last Dec when people like MrMalky and Jeggit joined but they never post and have remained on Twitter.

It’s not really feasible to run your own successful Mastodon instance unless you have a decent stash of money. Your ISP I suspect would soon complain if you ran it from your online account and a single person administering this type of service is not reliable. You really need to have it hosted and with a company that will not throw you off when pressurised by the lobbyists.

@HYUFD,

from `The United Nations Association – UK is the leading independent policy authority on the United Nations in the UK, and a UK-wide grassroots membership organisation.`

“If one were to take the view that after Scotland’s independence there would be no continuing state of the UK, and instead two new nations – separate legal entities – had been created, then neither new nation would be entitled to the UK’s permanent Security Council seat, and so the seat would in theory be lost.”

and we will let you have Trident as a `wee going away prezzie`, stick it up the Thames somewhere,park the subs outside the dump that is Westminster.

@AndyEllis Mind last year when Stu was silenced off Twitter, he was going to suss out other platforms…did he ever report back on that?

Also, I agree. We can sit and whine about how Twitter keeps cancelling us or we can actually move onto another platform, or, create our own. So what if it’s a bubble – the French Resistance weren’t exactly all-inclusive were they? We will at least be able to organise and get stuff done.

@Capella

There are companies that will host Mastodon instances for you:

link to masto.host

But a quick look at their terms and conditions and you will see they would eject you just like twitter did with Glinner. Plus all these systems need someone to moderate them or you will soon find your instance filled with thing you don’t want or may not even be legal in the UK.

What I like about twitter is I can Follow people who have interesting or challenging things to say. I have a wide range of people I follow. I hardly ever post myself but do retweet stuff quite regularly.

Stu’s twitter account was a great source of news about things I’m interested in. Better than the BBC.

But twitter started banning and suspending people and “deboosting” people. I think I’m following them but no tweets appear. It’s insidious.

All the big US corporations are playing this game. Censorship. There ought to be a law protecting freedom of expression. But private companies can please themselves with no obligation to respect diverse opinions. Thus the great open forum of the internet is gradually closed down.
It’s the duty of the state to protect freedom of expression. The EU might do it. The UK won’t.

@Capella

The EU is at the forefront of clamping down on free speech online

If you want to secure free speech you need to secure a country and a constitution that sets it in stone. Its corporations, and their helpful international organisations, that dont want that. Thats why they want to diminish national sovereignty and erode borders

@Andy Ellis

Maybe they could go for Unitary Kingdom of England, Wales & NI (likely just to be England soon if things continue as at present), after all it’s the pretence they like, the reality is less attractive.

It’s going to hit them hard when we can still call ourselves British if we want to (it’s a location not a nationality, just like European).

Andy and Ottomanboi

Will Scotland change its name too? Surely you can’t call a country Scotland, if non Scots live there? That we be offensive to people that are not Scottish by birth? Very divisive and unPC.

@ Dan 12.05pm

I was hopeful about the prospects for a list only party before, but I’m afraid I’m less optimistic now. It’s getting awful close to Holyrood 2021. The ISP folks appear well intentioned but I’m afraid they lack charismatic leadership and their launch (which I acknowledge was impacted by Covid-19) just seemed like amateur hour.

Without folk like Joanna Cherry or Alex Salmond on board I fear the impact will be limited, and it may have no real impact if the SNP gain a majority at Holyrood on their own. If that happens we might as well accept #indyref2 isn’t happening any time soon.

Fair play to Martin Keatings on the S30 court case, but his decisions to stand as an independent looks quixotic at best. The last thing we need is multiple list only parties.

@Sensibledave

Why would Scotland have to change its name because there are people from outside Scotland living here? I’d be more than happy with the Republic of Scotland.

@sensibledave

That’s why I gave you Unitary Kingdom, then you can keep the UK delusion, but thanks for proving my point.

“Republic of Scotland Russia kept its UN Security Council seat after the USSR broke up, once you are on it you never leave, the place goes to the largest successor state. The remaining UK would also keep Trident.”

HYUFD.

That’s not strictly true, there is a mechanism in place to remove a member of the Security Council.

“The only way that a non-permanent member can be removed mid-term, or a permanent member can be removed at all, is if an amendment is made to the UN Charter under Chapter XVIII”

As for Trident, you’re welcome to it put on the Thames for all I care as long as its out of Scotland, which doesn’t require a seat on the council of vetos.

@sensibledave

The ‘hit then hard’ is about the emotional state not the physical, I don’t particularly want a failed state next door to me, too unstable.

sensibledave:

Truth is, you’re not that sensible.

For instance, you wish, post Independence, to have the rump of the current UK, minus the now independent Scotland, still referred to as: The United Kingdom

How can you have a United Kingdom after one of the two member kingdoms in the union has left?

Also, the vast representatives of the people of the rest of the UK did not vote in favour of a referendum – strictly speaking, in passing the Section 30 legislation, they agreed to abide by the decision of the Scottish people.

Socrates

… I ask again, why would you care? Why would you want to interfere or be involved in the name of a country that was nothing to do with yours?

Jfngw

… I’m not sure you quite “get” the notion of Independence. If an independent UK that doesn’t include Scotland wants to call itself UK or anything else … it would have bugger all to do with you and no one would care what you thought anyway.

We appreciate your concern and advice though (it’s been filed under “don’t give a s***)!

I noticed this tweet from James Kelly

“Not true at all – the overall composition of parliament is roughly proportional to how people vote on the list. The list ballot is therefore the more important ballot.”

This is nonsense, if the SNP win 65 constituency seats they still have 65 parliamentary seats no matter if they only gain 1% in the list vote.

I no problem with him describing a second independence party as having a risk element attached if the SNP fail to win enough constituency seats, but this is just a misrepresentation to deceive.

Republicofscotland

… I hope you won’t mind if I completely disregard the opinion of someone that wants to disrespect me, my country and my flag.

“I hope you won’t mind if I completely disregard the opinion of someone that wants to disrespect me, my country and my flag.”

Sensibledave.

Supposition on the new name of a new union isn’t disrespectful as for the Butchers Apron, lets not forget a colour from the Saltire is in it, and as long as that blood soaked flag flies in Scotland, and Scots live under its yoke I’ll call it the Butchers Apron if I want to.

@RepublicofScotland

I reckon Brexitania has a ring to it: after all it seems to reflect what most Britnats have been obsessed with for decades!

Today’s figs: on BBC websites patchy only in Wales is a corona virus blog mentioned. Big Auntie doesn’t seem bothered now.
The SUN has all the numbers so here they are.

Scotland…….today…..*00……..Total…*2482…*SUN + BBC
N. Ireland…..today…..*01……..Total….*549…*SUN
Wales……….today…..*05……..Total…*1502…*SUN
England……..today…..*78……..Total..*28635…*SUN
========================================================
UK………….today…no data……Total..*43500…*SUN

Probably change later when WM Gov officially announce a number.

Parler

For those who want to be Katie Hopkins’ penpal

Yet the vileness of so much of its content necessarily precludes debate because no-one seeking reasoned debate could possibly want to debate there. Who wants to have a thoughtful, sit-down discussion in a sewer?

link to archive.is

Meanwhile

Is independence too much bother for careerist SNP politicians?

link to archive.is

@Mike Cassidy 2.50pm

What’s your alternative solution though? If folk who support the likes of WoS, Glinner, JKR on the issue of women’s rights are routinely de-platformed and banned, either we accept that curtailment of free speech, come up with an alternative independent forum, or use ones which already exist.

In my experience (which appears to be echoed by others) Mastodon is little different from twitter, in that those paying for and acting as admins of “instances” will suspend anyone on the same basis as twitter on the basis that they don’t want their instance ostracised by other instance admins in their universe.

Perhaps in the end we have to take a more Voltairean view…?

Personally I will vote for any pro independence, anti GRA party that stands in my area. Anyone know Fergus Ewing’s stance on GRA? x

Republicofscotlnd 2.26

You wrote ” I’ll call it the Butchers Apron if I want to.”

Indeed you will and you have.

… and I will think that you are a very disrepectful t**t if I want to. … Free country and all that.

You are indeed free to lob insults and disrespect others because it suits your political agenda. You are fortunate to live in the United Kingdom where are laws and culture are developed based upon freedom, democracy and the rule of law.

As a mature grown up though, I understand the workings of an under developed brain. I have children. They also think the world revolves aound them and their views and that anyone that disagrees them are unworthy.

In this echo chamber, I know its “cool” and “part of the in crowd” to lob out stuff like “butcher’s apron” when indicating the flag of the Union (you know, the Union that Scots voted whether to be part of …whilst I didn’t) and everyone smiles at the cleverness of it all.

Here’s the news. Other than your little gang … the rest of us think you are just jerks. Narcisstic, brainless jerks.

Wanting Idependence, I would have thought, would be all about the positives … where the country could go, what it could become, what it should stand for, its morals, its ethics, etc

What I see though is obsession with the faults of the “others”, their history, their heroes, their darker times, failures, etc. You feel they need to negatively characterise them because of their country of birth. You want to insult their systems, institutions and symbols.

… and you struggle to understand why the people of Scotland are not all lined up behind you?

The existing United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland should, under the Royal and Parliamentary Titles Act 1927, have reverted to the “Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland”. The term “United Kingdom,” as opposed to “united Kingdom,” followed the Act of Union between the Kingdom of Great Britain and Kingdom of Ireland, therefore the term “United” should have been dropped under the 1927 Act. Furthermore, the Saltire of St Patrick should have been removed from the Union Flag and the Harp of Ireland removed from the Royal Coat of Arms.

None of that happened on the grounds of cost – some penny pinchers in Whitehall decided that to change the flags and coats of arms in addition to stationary etc. etc. etc. would be astronomical, therefore despite only Kingdoms having been represented on flags and coats of arms until this time, (Wales never featuring – being only a Principality, and one which through conquest found itself absorbed within a Kingdom), it was decided simply to modify the name, (Ireland modified to Northern Ireland), and the Saltire of St Patrick and Harp of Ireland would be retained to represent N.Ireland – despite it being a (British) Province on the island of Ireland and NOT a Kingdom as in the case of England, Scotland and the former Kingdom of Ireland.

The correct title for any rUK post Scottish independence would be “The Kingdom of England & Northern Ireland”. The correct flag, relating to Kingdoms, would simply be that of England, but the coat of arms, (despite displaying the Harp symbol of a Kingdom which hasn’t existed for nearly a century), being Royal, would remain unchanged provided that Scotland did not at some point become a republic. (The royal arms, both versions used in Scotland and elsewhere, have been quartered since 1603 to reflect the Union of Scottish and English crowns and would be unaffected by the reappearance of an independent Kingdom of Scotland).

But again, cost will likely result in no changes being made to titles, flags etc. so the rUK title and flag will likely remain unaltered following the reappearance of the Kingdom of Scotland. (The Scottish version of the Union Flag could technically be flown from a jack staff of any SDF Naval vessel if the monarch of the day requested such – the flag, in both Scottish and English forms, as with the royal coat of arms, predates the 1707 Act of Union by over a century).

So money, as opposed to the conventions of heraldry, styles and titles, will ultimately decide – as has already been shown when the majority of the former Kingdom of Ireland seceded from, (you could argue ‘dissolved‘), the UK, what changes should have taken place did not purely on the grounds of cost.

Capella @12.06

Your comments about both the Scottish Government and the Glasgow City Council having raised their concerns about the treatment, indeed the basic humanity being shown to immigrants shows us what type of country we have become.

A country where human beings can be denied decency, denied medical support so often needed by fragile people who have had their lives turned upside down.

Lock down in a fucking hotel room, denied the princely sum of £5.30 a day, the private company exacting the hostile environment on behalf of the Home Office did their dirty work in plain view.

To the gas chambers they could be marched and save for a few well intentioned politicos who raised the issue, this disgrace was done in our name.

Done as we stood by, I fear that we are no different from the scum who implemented this policy, this hostile environment. If death camps make money, then caring Jock is happy to oblige. Right in the centre of Glasgow, but not just in Glasgow.

And has there been a cheep from Nicola Sturgeon. No, has there fuck. Posing as the Gaultier I expect little from her and her ilk who have infested the party.

Sorry for being so negative. I don’t wish to be. But as the details emerge of how these people were treated, and the horror of this event where people were left having had an eye ripped out or their guts ripped open crying for their mothers, I don’t think I can stomach wee Nicola’s silence.

@Iain More,

brasso is also good for taking scratches/scuffs out in car paint,as long as not to deep,also if car has oxidised or dulled paint will cut through to clearer/brighter layer.

Dawned on me today. Bank of England rainbow flag, rainbow flags from corporations, covid19 rainbow flag, rainbow flag on certain political groups.

No its not about being nice to LGBT.

We are experiencing a colour revolution.

Colour revolution:

link to en.wikipedia.org

‘Participants in the colour revolutions have mostly used nonviolent resistance, also called civil resistance[citation needed]. Such methods as demonstrations, strikes and interventions have been intended protest against governments seen as corrupt and/or authoritarian and to advocate democracy and they have also created strong pressure for change.’

‘The colour revolutions are notable for the important role of non-governmental organisations (NGOs)’

‘In most but not all cases, massive street protests followed disputed elections or requests for fair elections and led to the resignation or overthrow of leaders considered by their opponents to be authoritarian’

‘Government figures in Russia, such as Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, have claimed that colour revolutions are externally fuelled acts with a clear goal to influence the internal affairs that destabilise the economy,[2] conflict with the law and represent a new form of warfare.’

These NGO’s, corporations and international financiers – do they want this to make your life better? Or is it for greater control? Are the SNP giving us a glimpse of what the future might be like in the West if this succeeds?

ARE CURRENT EVENTS REALLY ABOUT YOUR HEALTH AND SAFETY AND THE WELL BEING OF ETHNIC MINORITIES?

OR ARE YOU BEING TURNED INTO A VASSAL IN A CORPORATE POWER GRAB?

@Andy Ellis at 2,48pm

Yep, what you say was touched on a few weeks back in previous discussion on the matter.
IIRC there was a suggestion of targeting a few constituency seats as that might focus some minds and tighten some sphincters if a threat to the presumed inevitability of an SNP majority arose.
We’ve seen with Neil Hanvey in Kirkcaldy & Cowdenbeath in last GE that being suspending by the SNP a week before the election did not stop the activists or the electorate voting for him. Maybe that’s a small sign the electorate are receptive to alternatives.

link to wingsoverscotland.com

Seeing as you mention Gavin Barrie’s work on the electoral numbers.
link to wingsoverscotland.com

The BritNats and the extreme right appear to be blending into a single, definable, threat to Scotland’s democracy. It was bound to happen, as Brexitania is not a social democracy.

Nurs Philos. 2006 Jan;7(1):45-57.
Critical Realism as Emancipatory Action: The Case for Realistic Evaluation in Practice Development

Abstract
To provide rigour when preparing a research design, the researcher needs to carefully consider not only the methodology but also the philosophical intent of the study. This, however, is often absent from reported research and provides the reader with little evidence by which to judge the merits of the chosen methodology and its influence on the study.

The purpose of this paper is to set out the case for critical realism as a framework to guide appropriate action in practice development and realistic evaluation for understanding the consequences of those actions. It is evident that critical realism and critical social science share common ground. Emancipatory practice development (ePD) is based on the philosophy of critical social science and therefore by virtue is linked to the tenets of critical realism.

Until now, the evaluation of ePD programme has been well served by 4th-generation evaluation. However, this paper outlines the need for a different approach to evaluation, one that is based on critical realism, that is concerned with emancipation, and that can be used in the ever-changing environment of clinical practice. Realistic evaluation not only links strongly to ePD programmes, but also serves as the basis for effective research questions that will test the outcomes of the research and inform the transferability of ePD mechanisms into differing contexts.

link to pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

“You are indeed free to lob insults and disrespect others because it suits your political agenda. You are fortunate to live in the United Kingdom where are laws and culture are developed based upon freedom, democracy and the rule of law.”

And you Sir (Sensibledave) are an ass if you believe, Scots and Scotland havent been disrespected for centuries by Westminster.

This is what ordinary English folk thought about Scottish independence, Alex Salmond, and Scots folk in general, only six years ago.

link to mobile.twitter.com

There have been a few deaths added since 14:00hrs
Official count now.

Scotland…….today……00……..Total….2482
N. Ireland…..today……01……..Total…..549
Wales……….today……05……..Total….1502
England……..today…..*78……..Total..*28635…*SUN
========================================================
UK………….today…..100……..Total…43514

Note: No separate figs for England on any BBC web site but the SUN publishes them.

“I see Mr Wishart is still trying to get into the Guinness book of records as the highest twitter blocker. His reasoning, I’m starting to feel, is he was a musician with Runrig & Big Country but currently this is the best gig he has ever secured, and it has a pension.”

jfngw.

Theres an excellent long letter in the National newspaper today by a Mr Bruce, who rightly points out that the very unlikely event that Johnson agrees to a S30 order, that it will carry a plethora of very stringent caveats, that no SNP government could ever accept, and as the longest serving SNP MP in the House of Commons Pete Wishart must surely know that.

One has to wonder why Wishart won’t even consider a Plan B.

Scot Finlayson 3:52
brasso is also good for taking scratches/scuffs out in car paint,as long as not to deep,also if car has oxidised or dulled paint will cut through to clearer/brighter layer.

Appropriate for a used car salesman then? 🙂

@ willie 3.47 – immigration is a reserved matter, refugees are a reserved matter, social security is a reserved matter. The only way Nicola Sturgeon and Glasgow City Council can deal effectively with these issues is if people vote for Scotland to be an independent country.

No wan talking to that Joe lol

Result

@robbo

I was going to but then my cognitive dissonance (correct spelling) kicked in.

@jfngw

Thanks. I knew you had to be good for something. If you ever want to point out anything else you know you can feel free. Right?

Until then im happy to have you as a kind of proof reader.

Cheers

So who else here is voting for the Dear Leader because they want to use the GRA and hate speech laws to get in close and personal with the ladies or wee lassies?

Clearly you can’t be supporting the SNP ‘to get a referendum’. Because if WM were to offer a fair 50/50 referendum they’d be showing themselves to be a fairer and more democratic institution than the Scottish Government currently is and much fairer than any of you give them credit for.

Come on. This is the brave new Scotland where anything goes. You can be honest about it without judgment. Come out of the closet. Its 2020. Your voting for the personal access to females aren’t you?

“Ottomanboi says:
27 June, 2020 at 5:24 pm
I have a wide circle of friends and acquaintances, not one has has had even a mild cough during this Covid pandemic.
Forgive me if I grow tired of those posting the latest ‘official’ death’ stats. Everybody seems to dying of Covid these days, how convenient for admin.
Get a life! I say to such posters”

Another idiot who needs to spend time in a room with families that have lost loved ones. I’m sure they’d soon straighten a fool such as you out.

@Joe at 5:32 & 5.45 pm

Read the fuckin’ room, you’re commenting on a site where most are trying to address the issues you highlight.

While you’re on the line caller, do you have any, ANY issues with UK Parliament in Westminster coz previously you said the leadership was shit?

RepublicofScotland

You wrote “This is what ordinary English folk thought about Scottish independence”

No it isn’t .. and you know it. You playing the worst type of identity politics. You are finding people that are completely unreprentitive of the population and projecting their characteristics on everyone. It really is pathetic.

There are people in both England and Scotland that are unsavoury types. They may be despicable because of their views on race, religion, whatever … but to suggest that somehow they represent a nation is the skullduggery of the pathetic and inept.

If you like, I could copy and paste a few of the more loony comments from previous threads here and present them as being an example of a average Scot? Would that be Ok? Would it be correct?

Even you are not that dumb.

Why not just accept that ordinary folk in England are just the same as ordinary folk elsewhere and leave it at that.

Then sir, perhaps present a positive vision for your country folk that they can get behind – rather than trying to convince them (and failing miserably) that there is something uniquely horrible about English folk.

In developed, civilised western society, the type of politics you peddle (based upon hatred and difference) will make not get traction. Yes there will be extremists that that will gather round some ridiculous ideology .. but it will always be fringe.

Anyway, I will leave you to your divisive politics and pop back every now and again to hold up a mirror and show you in your true light.

@RepublicofScotland

‘Another idiot who needs to spend time in a room with families that have lost loved ones. I’m sure they’d soon straighten a fool such as you out.’

Is this like the melodramatic scene you painted about all the deaths and misery in the hospital wards…that you had never actually seen but ‘had heard from others about’?

When you writing a novel?

“Anyway, I will leave you to your divisive politics and pop back every now and again to hold up a mirror and show you in your true light.”

As if dave isn’t culturally-constrained in his cognitive and ethical capabilities. 🙂

Requirements of Democracy
Chapter 34
The Psychological Underpinnings
of Political Behavior
link to pprg.stanford.edu

“Nicola Sturgeon gives indicative dates for pubs and hairdressers to re-open” – Evening Times 24/06/20

Just one question – when are we going to get an indicative date for the next independence referendum?

Sensible@4.25
Wow, did you think that up on your own?
A positive vision for an Independent Scotland, probably 95% the opposite of the current situation under Westminster rule.
Apologies for the late reply, just been out having a wee 5pm cocktail, beer, wine gathering with the neighbours.
Many nationalities there, no police or other services needed called out. That’s what happens when you are inclusive of all nationalities.
My vision for an Indy Scotland has been posted over the years.
Try again Son.

@Sensibledave
“In this echo chamber, I know its “cool” and “part of the in crowd” to lob out stuff like “butcher’s apron” when indicating the flag of the Union (you know, the Union that Scots voted whether to be part of”
——————————————————————

When are you gonna get it through your thick fucking skull that Scots did not not vote to remain in the UK, Scots voted for independence it was your people that swung the vote against us and the reason we refer to your blessed union flag as the butchers apron is that it’s a symbol of murder,rape & genocide on a scale that makes Nazi Germany look like a teddy bears picnic, just ask the native Tazmanians oh sorry you can’t do that can you Dave there’s none left yes there were Scots involved the Alistair Jacks of the day but they’re your people Dave not ours now fuck off

@Joe at 6:02 pm

You may hold that position but it could be conceived by some as being a little extreme as our society still functions to most intents and purposes.
Having spent time in Romania just after Ceausescu “left the building” (which was bloody huge by the way) I’ve seen first hand what a really shit State looks like when failed by their Government.
Orphanages filled with abandoned boys, many so damaged they sat unresponsive rocking in their own piss, meal times were a joy as we ate a watery “stew” made with a boiled bone and fat with some donated damaged vegetables thrown in.
I don’t think we are quite there yet…

Don’t get me wrong, there is certainly a degree of political shit wafting aboot, but that is what we are trying to address.
You’ve stated you are a democrat, or at least expressed concerns that it is being undermined. Therefore I would hope that rather than ranting (which we all like to do at times) about single issues which most on here are aware exist only through the dark actions of the big corporates to be used as a divide and rule tool, you sit down round the table and agree a plan to fix the issues you and many others see.

“The great thing in this world is not so much where you stand, as in what direction you are moving.”

Willie
Poland in the 1930s ? Are you serious? This is the most nutty outburst I’ve heard for a long time.

You make the far left look moderate.

As the Tories say : keep them on the same page and watch the votes come our way.

Apparently, dave considers a patriotic desire to defend one’s civic society from the right-wing populism of another nation, to be divisive. That’s because dave is here to punt British nationalism, which is now virtually indistinguishable from right-wing, populist, racism.

@sensibledave

That must have been one heck of a night, sectarianism, bigotry and unbridled violence. Hope you were OK once you woke up.

@Dan

My wife is from a similar country. She got milk twice a week and her doll was a charitable gift from America. Communism is great isnt it?

However i don’t see how that relates? I know we live in a great country relative to others – that’s why I left the EU.

You do realise that under the SNP women will lose their rights to private spaces free from biological males WHILE under the pressure of potentially being jailed by hate speech laws if they cause offense?

You might not care that much. You might not see it as an issue.

But here are 3 things that dont care about your opinion:

1 – most of the electorate are going to lash back against this if it gets implemented and it will be ugly because most dont even realise whats going on yet

2 – you wont get your referendum

3 – those policies are only the beginning.

Now, forgive me for my lack of patience, while I repeat what ive been saying for a few years now:

The only plan of action for a voter under these circumstances is TO REFUSE TO VOTE FOR A PARTY THAT WISHES TO IMPLEMENT THESE FUCKING policies.

But here is the thing that makes me detest many on this board – while people are casting a blind eye to this and going forward and ‘lending the SNP their vote’ they have the temerity, the arrogance, the sheer lack of self reflection, to look down on others for voting for things like Brexit or for Trump.

Its jaw dropping.

jnfgw

… so, after the comments I have been involved in, and the nature of the outpourings of ridiculousness from Gary and RoS, your input is to doubt my word. Is it ’cause I is English?

So that’s you, Gary, RoS are joint winners of today’s bigot of the day award. You have even outdone the usual winner old “pseudo” himself.

Regarding the incident in Glasgow yesterday, most ordinary folks I know didn’t realise just how many refugees and asylum seekers we have.
The general reaction is – what the f..ck!
For someone who has supposedly been persecuted to within their life to be complaining about food, wifi and hotel accommodation beggars belief.
Sorry, the sooner we shut the door, the better.

Rober Graham
I think you’ll find that the SG volunteered to take in a disproportionate number of these people.
Quite a few areas within the UK refused, quite correctly in my opinion.

Oh fk
Listen up Pete

We don’t control immigration , got it WE DONT CONTROL Immigration , has it sunk in yet ?

THE ENGLISH GOVERNMENT CONTROL IMMIGRATION

Are you fkn listening ?

Say it after me we don’t control immigration it’s really easy to get the hang of it , well easy for most

@Pete

And the ugly truth is that many come from parts of the world where males are indoctrinated into believing women are 2nd class people and no better than possessions and see our free society as against their morality.

But shhhh…dont tell the folk on here. It will upset them and they will call you a bigot until its far too late. Just like with everything else. Their fantasies are more important than other peoples lived realities.

@RepublicofScotland

No. Im making fun of you. But its true, I am indeed a dick.

@Joe

I’m not getting into a laborious repetitive cycle of what we’ve already said.
You’ve been hanging out on here long enough to have read the very real concerns most on here have expressed with regard to Self ID.
We are well aware of its divisive nature and the progression of the Hate Speech Bill as an attempt to silence opposition to it.
We are also well aware of the wider implications focusing on those particular policies at this particular time brings.
I asked that you read the room.
Don’t be like Sue.
link to twitter.com

In case you hadn’t noticed, growing inequality, collapsing industries, strain on our health and social services don’t just happen under communism.

@Robert Graham 7:20 pm

All the nutters I’ve seen on twitter are blaming wee Jimmy Crankie. That’s two insults for the price of one. Nicola just laps it up.

@jfngw,

Jim Baxter 1967, Rangers, keepy happy at Wembley.

Mmmm!