Wings Over Scotland

Indubitably

“To the left – quick march!”

But what is still blocking the sunny road ahead?

“I am still desperate for that fresh start, to begin again. If this is what it looks like, if this is what Sturgeon thinks ‘getting out of the way and letting the party find its own direction’ looks like, then I despair, because we’re not getting a chance for a fresh start”.

Robin McAlpine 17.2.23 Stop Murrell’s Corruption Now.

Took the path to Gender Woo Woods

Good….but a canoe, a shitty creek and missing paddle may have been more accurate

Which of these two roads would the Scottish Greens prefer?

Well done, Chris. One of your very best.

The Road Not Taken
BY ROBERT FROST
Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;

Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,

And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

The only thing missing down that grubby path is the depiction of they/them cheering her from the side-lines and clutching their party membership cards.

In 2014 I just couldn’t understand why the No Voters didn’t “get it”

In 2023 I find myself asking the Surgeon/SNP fanatics the exact same question, why don’t they “get it”?

Since we’re being poetical this morning, it’s just like the start of Dante’s Inferno, with Nicola leading us “astray in a dark wood”.

No broad, sunlit uplands for us…….

Thanks for an image which says so much, Chris.

Stunning Chris. Special shout out to Big Jock as well. Thank you.

Independence is not lost people.

The difference between Holyrood’s route to Independence and the Constitutional “Claim of Right” route to Independence is the same difference between a BBC soap opera, and real life.

If Sturgeons stupidity truncated the powers of Holyrood, what use is Holyrood to us if it merely the dutiful servant of the 1998 Scotland Act?

People STILL aren’t seeing the rabbit here.

The power to remove Scotland from the Union does not reside in Holyrood, nor does it reside in London. The power is here, in Scotland, in our own heads.

While helpful to have one certainly, we don’t necessarily need a democratic mandate to end the Union because there is a parallel path to discredit the Union if the contract, the Treaty of Union, has been breached, and YES, it very much has!

Democracy is not a prerequisite of Constitutional Sovereignty, but we’re not abandoning democracy if the Constitutional “Claim of Right” route to Independence is subjected to a ratification Plebiscite.

The SNP has only crashed the stalking horse for Independence.

The real deal for Independence is the battle for Constitutional Sovereignty, and that battle has only recently begun. It wasn’t started by politicians, but SALVO, and a long misunderstood Claim of Right which can now be reinterpreted after new and forgotten information has been rediscovered.

The Claim of Right isn’t a vestigial token of what once was. It isn’t a thing Westminster “concedes” to keep us “Jocks” quiet.

The Claim of Right is that wee tip of an artefact which gives the archaeologist the inspiration to dig a wee bit deeper and find more. Dig deeper. Find more. Dig deeper. Find more…

SALVO is uncovering how the Claim of Right actually worked, how it kept absolute power from some, and held power in check for the Common Good of the people. Ultimately the people, the Community of the Realm, are sovereign. This is the law.

Do nor despair Scotland. The fight for Independence is as strong as it ever was, it just isn’t the fight Westminster has conditioned us to expect.

Apprise yourselves of what SALVO is planning. Keep watching, and be ready.

Could/would Westminster, even if it wanted to, allow Scotland to become independent, against the wishes of the USA?

Chris superb, hope you don’t mind me using it for my fb page

Leeberation gate or anither blin close! Thon’s the chice richt eneuch.

Sturgeon’s gang makkit thair chice, takin Scots up a blin close. Thay nivver haed the courage tae reclaim Scotlan’s soveranety. Sae faur an nae forder. Joukers aw!

Scots hae want o a naitional leeberator, no anither soond-bitey chief o a compromised Breetish-stylie poleetical pairty. We’ll no fund a leeberator amang the maist pampert pairts o colonial society.

says it all, and expresses how I’ve felt for years… What a waste of time she is, was and probably always will be. Although with her lack of recall this wont be the way she remembers it !!!

Gregor
“Boring”
“Repetitive”
“Unnecessary”
No dictionary rquired

And look at what you could have won! Lets make sure the next fm isn’t led down the same path.

It’s a good cartoon but, if you think independence is going to be the sunlit uplands, I think you are going to have a rude awakening.

Breeks, yir right, in 2016 ah we had tae say wiz, we’re naw goin.

Grafmidghunter@8.50
Robert Frost is a great 20th century American poet. I love the poem quoted but have derived strength from the last verse of Stopping by woods on a snowy evening.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.

She left the scene with the biggest smirk on her face.

The Sturgeon exit bounce.

link to scotsman.com

Remember. The MSM are bigging up Sturgeon for one reason. They want to push the narrative that independence all depended on her leadership. In part its wishful thinking , with a sprinkling of cognitive dissonence. But their true aim is to make yes voters downbeat about our prospects.

But we all know that independence actually depended on getting gid of Sturgeon. The polar opposite of the narrative. Don’t let the bastards grind you down.

Confounder says:
18 February, 2023 at 11:07 am
‘It’s a good cartoon but, if you think independence is going to be the sunlit uplands, I think you are going to have a rude awakening.’

Probably one of the most shallow ignorant statements I’ve ever seen posted on here

No one can take you to independence – not Salmond, not Sturgeon, not a re-born Jesus Christ, and not any new leader – because you do not have even 50% support in the country. To blame it all on Sturgeon is ridiculous. Your dream is already over.

Great cartoon. Sturgeon leading us all away from independence. And she did it deliberately. There is no joy in discovering the extent of her betrayal.

Hopefully, she is gone for good. But, I am certain she is already plotting to return.

“Sturgeon was a great boon to the unionists. Whether as useful idiot or as ("Tractor" - Ed) is something history will decide. My money is on the latter.” – Craig Murray

I agree with Craig on this. Sturgeon will be reviled in Scotland by everyone. Even her present enablers.

She plotted relentlessly to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Good Riddance.

SNP taking beard George Kerevan talking about a joint ticket between Kate Forbes and Ash Regan. He also highlights the fact that this might lead to a split with the Greens. I can see a lot of SNP non woke voters relishing that. Forbes is of course young but unlike the other low wattage wannabes she is very bright. The youth cult will detest her and most mainstream members will When the talent pool is a puddle with Keith Brown seen as a safe pair of hands, that might be the worst bad option.

Sturgeon on the,

“Highway to Hell”.

An update…

link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com

Democracy is not conformist, it is restive, pugnacious and argumentative.
Democracy does not sit on its fat arse in cosy assemblies thinking up hair brain schemes to fill the day.
Of that kind of democracy, Scotland, and the world, has had its nauseating fill.
Scotland needs a young lion not afraid to scratch, bite and roar.

Heading out, but one quick post.

Rev – thanks for replying on previous post.

The fact that Sturgeon was doing nothing for independence except the damp squid of turning a Westminster election into a de facto referendum that no one would take any notice of shows that this was the correct time for her to go (before the special conference rubber stamped her idea).

So Sturgeon going is a good thing but, in my humble opinion, going now was the best thing she could have done for the indy cause.

Anyway, that’s my tuppence worth (you may say it’s worth less, lol!).

Vote Alba.

Cheers,

Greg.

Great cartoon Chris.

The only thing missing was her shadow: who’s gonna be next? We know where most of the likely candidates stand, but there is a certain peculiarity about Kate Forbes.

There is something not quite adding up about Forbes authenticity, something I keep going back to that I read some time ago, that Forbes was on maternity leave until ‘after summer’.
There are a few unanswered questions about her extended leave and reluctance to pick up a phone or log in: –

Does a ‘top’ politician stop reading or listening when on leave?
Were there no communications with any colleagues?
Didn’t she feel obligated to declare a position on GRR?
Who benefitted from Forbes silence pre-Christmas?
Shouldn’t we expect some input from Ministers on leave?
Would more MSPs have rebelled if Forbes had done so?
Wasn’t Sturgeon anxious to know Forbes intentions?
Could Sturgeon have sacked 2 key cabinet members?
Did Sturgeon and/or the whips lean on Forbes?
Was SNP civil war inevitable if Forbes/Regan led a rebellion?
Was there a clandestine understanding between Forbes and Sturgeon?
Is it normal for a key politician to go off radar for 8 months?
If contesting the leadership, will she detail her GRR position?
Will she continue the coalition with the Greens?

…and many more.

I am so bloody angry because my state of health is such that even if a competent leadership begins to guide the yes movement towards independence I will never live to see it. I have friends who are still members of the SNP and they just can’t see past her. I would have thought the fit up of Alex Salmond and later Criaig Murray would have demonstrated to even her thickest supporter the type of people she and her ‘husband’ are.

Earl Of Hell (2022): Get Smoked: Hang ‘em High:

“…Tight-rope around your chest…

Hang ‘em High
Hang ‘em High…”:

link to tinyurl.com

You be the man, Chris.
The stark contrast depicted shows clearly the essence of what was missed. It has a dream-like quality, almost as if from, ‘It’s a wonderful life!’
Definitely ‘the road not taken’ rather than ‘the road less travelled’.
And by the way for all you poetry buffs out there, I’d take Orkney’s Edwin Muir over Robert Frost any day. None other than TS Eliot thought the sun shone out of his arse in his foreword to Muir’s collected poems.

Mark.

With Reference to your comment the other day about giving it a rest,

I am extremely busy at the moment and miss many comment and or replying,

What fears and worries you that I encourage Scots to take a closer inspection of the small print of what is supposed to be a a contractual treaty agreement between Scotland and England parliaments from 1707.

My second question, why do you wish that Scottish people to stay ignorant on this subject

Like when they were ignorant Scots Over the MacCrone report.

I suggest the Scottish people should take up the reins and become more involved and active in their research of what is done to Scotland and its people over the Centuries.

Why would you tell any Scot to shut up on a subject that concerns them.
It certainly is of benefit to Scots to check the small print, , but perhaps not so to someone wishing to retain the union,
And is scared the loop hole may be spotted by Scots on closer inspection.

Scots are always told to give it a rest, to stop going on and on about wanting freedom for their people.
Scots have been told to shut up and suck it up from their Colonial masters for a long time, And most Scots are fed up being told to stay quiet and give it a rest,

So here I have posted on many subjects from Trans issues to homeless people, from snp to larger world wide events,
From 15 minute Cities in England to the virus that was,

And yet the topic you are asking me to be quiet on, Is my suggestion of Scots scrutinising the loop hole in the wording and specific terminology of the treaty of the union that was ratified in 1707
Mmmmmm.

James. It shill amazes me the amount of people who think because the Supreme Court said no. That Scots just have to hide under the covers for a decade.

Independence has nothing to do with domestic law. Its an international matter. We just had a leader who either didn’t understand this ,or deliberately sabotaged it.

Ultimately the Articles of Union. Would be presented to the UN along with our declaration of Independence. That’s how we become free. The next leader must absolutely understand this.

That cartoon is so poignant and elegiac. So much more eloquent than 1000 words on what has been done to independence.

In the theory of many universes though, a decision once taken changes the whole world and is irrevocable. We can dream of what might have been but there is no way to call that moment back again. Another world has been created by that decision.

Already Robin MacAlpine is warning that the Murrell clique are to continue taking us down that crooked path to a bleak future. He is appealing to the present membership to act to prevent it. I suspect that will be in vain. Judging by the reaction so far, it looks as if they are incapable of making that kind of judgement.

It’s beyond understanding why they can’t see that they have been led away from independence and still fervently cling to their adherence to a false saviour. It isn’t just the woke acolytes who are believers. For a long time it felt like that with Labour voters, before the growth of the SNP and before the advent of the transgender cult.

John Main is right in his comment. Religions are so much part of the human condition. It is so obvious, at least to me, that religions are a human invention. Even if it’s not about a deity, people feel the need for unquestioning belief and that’s what makes it so difficult to persuade them otherwise.

Once invested in that belief system, some people can’t admit to themselves that their own willingness to believe, led them astray. It’s like being abandoned by a lover; the abandoned one continues in denial of the truth that everyone else can see. The brain cannot admit the image of self, which is integral to well being, has been so crucially betrayed. It’s a difficult road back from that and anger against anyone pointing out the situation is a natural protection. No one wants to think of themselves as having been duped.

“As for your delusion that Scotland should have been independent in 2016, what was Indy support flatlined at then?”

Why did it flatline, you ask. I will happily answer to you in all detail when (if) we get that misterious census that Robertson chap wasn’t even capable to organise and deliver on time, never mind in a way you can actually trust the data recorded.

The census should have been done in 2021, a la par with England and Wales but it wasn’t. Why?

The official excuse given to us by the political fraud was “covid”. Covid my arse. Most of the census was conducted online and as far as I know, Covid has not yet found the way to travel through the web and then jump through the screen of your fucking computer to infect you. But in Sturgeon’s world, when a excuse was needed to justify her deliberate inaction and incompetence, sci-fi was a good resource to have on hand.

My suspicion is that the real reason for this delay was because, if done at that time it should have been done, it would have shown the overall population of Scotland significantly decreasing due to the COViD deaths.

And that is the overall population. The result would have been quite an eye-oppener and jaw-dropping if looking how the last 8 years of Sturgeon’s deliberate procrastination have damaged the native population.

If you look at the data published before covid (National records of Scotland, I am referring to the data up to 2019), it was already evident the “increase” in Scotland’s population was artificially induced through the importation of people from elsewhere, not due to natality.

Considering the number of unnecessary deaths the political fraud presided over due to her stupidity in sending covid patients to care homes and her obstinate determination in keeping the borders wide open to allow the virus flowing freely from England into Scotland, and if we consider that during 2020 and 2021 there must have been a decrease in immigrants settling in Scotland due to the pandemic, it can be predicted that the population during the last years of the census would have significantly dropped. Considering the impact of the heating poverty and the ridiculous increase in food prices, I would suggest the period of time Robertson selected for the census was carefully chosen to fall between the two lows, just before the big ramping up of prices that will no doubt lead also to an excess of deaths.

The data from the National REcords of Scotland already shows that from 2015 and all the way to 2019, the number of deaths in Scotland surpassed the number of births. The data also shows that the number of births had been progressively decreasing since 2014.

If you look a the data for 2019, alarm bells were already ringing. At that point, the births recorded were 49.863 while the number of deaths was a staggering 58,108. And this was BEFORE Covid.

Just on the 6 months from March to August 2020, at the height of covid, the number of deaths in total was 32,419. The total number of deaths for 2020 was 62,415. The total number of births for 2020 was only 46,809 – even less than in 2019.

Just for January 2023, the number of births registered was 4,159 whereas the number of deaths was an staggering 7,314. We can say quite confidently that the tendency to have more deaths than births starting in 2015 is here to stay and the gap between the two is increasing. This is the result of the combination of UK toxic policies with the negligent and deliberate inaction of the useless Sturgeon.

If you are having to import people from elsewhere to keep your population numbers, the immediate thing you are doing is diluting your native population. If you are diluting your native population, you are also diluting its heritage, its language and accents, its culture and its political tendencies.

So when the political fraud and her clique were peddling the nonsense that the longer we wait the more people will move to yes is absolute bollocks. The longer we wait the more yes we will haemorrhage and the more no we will import. That is the reality.

For the year 2019 (data from the National records of Scotland), the number of people from England, Wales and NI who migrated to Scotland was 47,500. The number of people from Scotland that left to live in England, Wales and NI was 37,400. That is a net 10,000 entering Scotland.

Also for the year 2019, the number of people from outwith the uk migrating to Scotland was 39,900. The number of people from Scotland moving out of the UK was 19,700. That is a net import of 20,000.

From the birth/death figures and the migration figures it is evident the population in Scotland is being artificially maintained thanks to immigration.

If every year you are importing a significant proportion of your population from elsewhere, a significant proportion of your population emigrates elsewhere, and your births are lower than your deaths, it stands to the obvious you are actively diluting your native population. The longer you wait to hold that referendum, the more difficult to win yes will be.

It is not a secret the people coming from England/Wales/NI are strong No voters (it was boasted in the unionist press this section of the population voted around 70% against indy). If you are actively diluting the pro-yes native population witn pro No people from elsewhere, the result is what we have. And that Scotland’s native population is being diluted at fast pace is obvious if you simply listen to the number of people with non-scottish accents around you. In my own work team alone, half of the people is from elsewhere.

Just for 2019 alone, 87,400 people from elsewhere migrated into Scotland while 57,100 Scottish people emigrated away from Scotland.

It has been published that 52.7% native Scots voted yes in 2014 (Clegg, D. 2015 Daily Record). I would suspect this figure is higher today.

It was also published that 72.1% of those coming from England, Wales and NI voted no in 2014. 57.1% of migrants from outwith the uK voted for no in 2014.

So just for fun lets calculate how that translates for 2019:

at the rate 52.7% for yes, of 57,100 scots who left Scotland in 2019, 30,091 would have voted yes in another referendum

at the rate 72.1% for no, of 47,500 people from England, Wales and NI who migrated to Scotland in 2019, 34,247 would have voted No in another referendum.

at the rate 57.1% for no, of 39,900 people from outwith the uK who migrated into Scotland in 2019, 22,783 would have voted No in another referendum.

So lets tally the figures:
Just in 2019, Scotland has potentially lost 30,091 yes voters and has acquired (34,247 + 22,783) 57,030 no voters via migration. Continuous migration and death is accelerating the rate of decrease of yes and increasing the one for no.

Add to that the fact that during the 8 years of devastation presided by the political fraud Sturgeon during which no real campaigning to progress independence took place and during which this fraud took a political knife to that movement with the imposition of her deliberately toxic and divisive policies and poor governance, and you have your answer.

That Scotland should have been independent by 2016 is no delusion. Is the reality. Forcing Brexit on Scotland when 62% of the vote in Scotland was against Brexit, when over 50 of our MPs voted against it and when the majority of our MSPs also voted against brexit, was a direct violation of the Claim of Right, and indirectly of the Treaty of Union. There is no way out of that.

That situation should have triggered an immediate repeal of the Treaty of union which at all practical effects became null and void the moment the Claim of Right was violated. This was the duty of our elected representatives. They failed Scotland miserably, so shame on them all. Instead of Scotland’s interests, these wankers only thought of themselves.

At the very least, those anti-union 56 MPs and all the anti-union MSPs in Scotland should have immediately withdraw from Westminster, reconvene, suspend the treaty of union and triggered a referendum. To hell with the oolonial crap of “permission” from Westminster. Suspension of the treaty of union would render for Westminster unlawful to rule over Scotland.

Not having over 50% for yes is not the problem. A majority of the vote was never needed to end the union, in the same way it was never needed to start this union.

I suspect that brexit was not just forced on Scotland by England or even the crown. I very much suspect Sturgeon and her corrupt Sgov agreed to it. In fact, I am of the opinion brexit was already agreed even before the 2015 election, hence the political fraud removing the wheels of the SNP by claiming a vote for the SNP was not a vote for independence. I am of the opinion the EU referendum was nothing but a farce, the excuse the powers that be needed to justify to England the decision of brexit which had been taken before – hence the blind eye to psyops and the other shenanigans going on.

So again, demanding now over 50% of the vote for yes to exit the union when this was never a requirement for any other decision imposed on Scotland by the crown or our useless representatives, seems disproportionate.

For as long as we have an oppressor with a population 12 times higher than ours and which could, on demand, simply send enough no voters to neutralise the paultry increase in yes vote after a campaign; for as long as it is the oppresor and the useful idiots of the oppressor who establish your franchise and rules of vote; for as long as you have the political arms of the oppressor operating right into your campaign and bringing money from elsewhere to thwart your self determination; for as long as you have an hostile MSM and broadcasters pumping propaganda against Scotland’s independence, Scotland will never reach that level. In fact, as the time goes and as proven by Scotland’s native population progression, the longer we wait, the lower our chances to succeed will become.

The procrastination of the political fraud Sturgeon was deliberate for many reasons. In my view, the dilution of the Scottish native population (and yes) was one of them.

Mind you, Breeks is mild and generous. Breeks says Scotland should have declared independence in 2016. I say Scotland should have declared independence on the 8th May 2015 and to hell with “permission” and the pretence of democracy when democracy was never a requirement to force anything on Scotland against its will for the previous 300 years.

Remaining in this union is toxic and is threatening Scotland’s sustainability. It is the wellbeing of Scotland as a whole what those MPs should be looking after, not the political inclinations of an minority coming from elsewhere and determined to thwart the right of Scotland’s natives to self determination to keep Scotland similar to the country where they come from.

Democracy was never a requirement in 1706 when this union was forced on Scotland nor was it in 1713 when our own MPs were at the verge of terminating the treaty nor it was in 2016 when Scotland voted 62% against brexit. The only thing that counted in 1706 and 1713 was the MPs’ and the crown’s own interests. It is the same today.

Sturgeon was the exemplar of risk averse, rule bound, health and safety style of politics resulting in many wasted years.
A repeat of that style is now unthinkable.
If it doesn’t sting, it’s not working.
Nations are not renewed with palliatives.

Chris Cairns,

I enjoyed this weeks cartoon, it says it all,
If NS made a choice to go in the opposite direction from everyone else, its a lonely road to walk at the end of the day,

As a ex cartoonist for small papers, I bow and give high praise to your thought processes and excellent drawings.

Alright. Gonna throw in here.

Independence is not over ‘there’ to be taken.
It isn’t and won’t be a choice that one just selects to ‘walk towards’.

It is and will increasingly be a fight, hopefully a political one, and it will require positive and uncomfortable action, choice and will.

It will require the silent, passive and culturally, politically and spiritually disenfranchised Scottish underclass to fully realise how completely f8cked over they have been and continue to be, and, and this is critical, get really angry about it.

I’m not talking revolutionary socialists here, those idiots have as much to do with the actual ‘working class’ as I do with what toilet paper Elon Musk uses. I’m talking about a growing sense of actually deserving better, and clearly knowing that with Independence they are most likely to get it.

You will notice that once the SNP became the establishment, they firmly kept that lion in it’s cage.

There are many excellent reasons that the British establishment have worked and are working very hard and with strategic and tactical brilliance in ensuring that independence is conceptualized and characterized in ways that ensure that it does not gain purchase in the common mind (Alf Baird’s and Franz Fanon), and if it does gain purchase defusing and confusing the means to it’s further advancement.

Look at what went on in SNP immediately after they, once again, targeted Salmond, groomed and co-opted Sturgeon (or whatever happened – whomsoever steps into those shoes is going to get the same treatment) , rewrote the constitution of the SNP to forever neuter it, and helped fill it with mouth-breathing careerist drones or full on collaborators who do what they’re told.

If you are interested in understanding who we are dealing with here, and how long the British Establishment have been developing and refining these capacities, you may want to read Dalrymple’s excellent book ‘The Anarchy’ about the shenanigans of the East India Company in Mughal India.

Anyhoo, can we please stop imagining that the SNP are ever going to actually advance independence, that whoever becomes leader is going to be able to effect real change, and that some hero will descend from the sky and make our wishes come true. It’s a Scottish disease.

Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.

Mia @2.14pm.

Very well said Mia, and you can be sure the hidden census that was a year late, and cost millions more than it should have will show a stark change in demographics of Scotland.

The SNP have gradually morphed into an establishment “national” party, similar to the old Irish IPP a century ago (or “Scottish” Labour more recently). If the new SNP leader and party don’t change course soon, then eventually a Scottish equivalent of Sinn Fein could appear and grow in the vacuum. This may sound unlikely to many, but it could happen sooner than expected. Scottish Labour were replaced overnight, and the same thing could happen to the SNP. I’m sure that those IPP mps of old felt pretty comfy and secure in their seats until all hell broke loose (probably up to and including the night before). Things could get ugly in a short space of time. And that is a real worry. The British state would of course come down hard (as they always do), but when a significant proportion of the country feels there is nothing to lose, then anything can happen. The historic critical level of independence support for trouble starts at 30%. Scotland is already at 50%. The British establishment knows this, but such is their utter economic and strategic dependence on Scotland since Brexit, they can do nothing but hang on in the faint hope that this 50% level will eventually fall. Unlikely IMO, but what else can they do? Unlike the SNP, they won’t give up without a fight.

Alf Baird.

The very structure of the Coloniser is to make the Colonised believe there is no way out for them,
That all they do is inadequite,
That their thoughts and believes are inferior,
That any action to oppose the Coloniser has punishments, such as shared debt,

On the subject of shared debt with the Coloniser, How does that work for Scotland when the private corporation that was registered as the bank of England for a long time after the treaty? and not the bank of Westminster or the exchecquer nor was it the Bank of Great Britain parliament until legislation was passed at a much much later date.?

This therefore cannot be a national shared debt with the parliament of Westminster and GB,

ALF BAIRD.
The psychology of independence is where the politics gets its energy.
If the first is «defective» it will be manifest in the politics.
Scotland is learning.
Exciting times ahead?

James Che, if an treaty is agreed between two sovereign countries, that means it was an International agreement!

Big Jock @8:48

Extending the road less travelled metaphor, her selfless idea to allow every SNP member the opportunity to be the one credited with leading the country to independence, after having done all the hard work, is truly gracious – almost regardless of whose pitch ultimately determines strategy from hereon in.

Since that work required firefighting and containment of legacy and novel ‘other stuff’ from much further afield and, crucially, came without the assistance of a pet Judge Rouleaux to whitewash any emergencies closer to home, then its arguably even more generous a gesture in event her successor avoids an unexpected drop of the baton (or their troosers) – and manages to wind it up a storm in the defacto referendum currently expected following the (presumably now imminent) collapse of parliament.

Accordingly, with apologies in advance to Peter Murrel, a worthwhile extra mile to raise awareness of FM position being currently in abeyance (lady’s prerogative notwithstanding) might be to engage the wider electorate in all raffles arising for the complementary tickets & expenses to triple crown, coronation and potential grand slam matches & corporate entertainments, etc that might otherwise be forgotten about during the leadership selection process.

Margaret+Eleftheriou says: at 11:38 am

Grafmidghunter@8.50

Robert Frost is a great 20th century American poet. I love the poem quoted but have derived strength from the last verse of Stopping by woods on a snowy evening.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.
———————

Many thanks Margaret 🙂

My version:

“The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I’m not going there with Nicola the creep”

No competition among great poets; of course Edwin Muir is one of the greatest. His beautiful poem THE HORSES with its positive look to the future from a very dark situation, is certainly one for today.
Our life is changed: their coming our beginning.

I’ve been listening to videos about Vladimir Putin who is in many ways a man I admire although I accept he’s probably not a nice guy but he is president of a superpower of 270 million people, that’s an enormous responsibility and lets be honest you don’t get in that position by being a nice guy, but nonetheless drawing parallels between him and our own own erstwhile leader Nicola Sturgeon the only difference I can see is where Sturgeon would put her friends in prison knowing they’re innocent Putin would have them shot so I suppose Nicola holds the moral high ground over Vladimir and we should be thankful

Confounder says:
18 February, 2023 at 3:49 pm

I dunno, Forbes’ moral opposition to same-sex marriage (not a particularly woke concept by modern standards) and abortion are relevant baggage. The vast majority of women want access to abortion. Is this the women’s right that it’s OK to fuck with? (You’ve already stated your opposition, but I’m guessing that it’s not likely to be something that would affect you directly.)
She could navigate round this in the way that Biden has in the US by declaring very directly that she won’t be basing public policy on her personal religious views. I hope she’s already got this straight in her head.

A lot of focus on Forbes’ religious beliefs yet none on Humza Yousaf’s religious beliefs.

Personally I would prefer politicians not to be religious.

A lot of these religious beliefs are pretty far fetched and my worry is if you can believe them then you can believe anything.

Elsa McTaggart (2021): The Old Pathway: Sunday Song:

(”I only went and sang my favourite line of the whole song.. wrong!
‘And when we rise on eagles wings’ .. should be… ‘And when we rise on wings of dawn’”…:)

“As I walk through dappled sunlight
Along the simple way
There’s no other place I’d go a walking aimlessly
The sights and smells at every bend
Bring back sweet memories
Of the times we daily walked along
The old pathway…”:

link to tinyurl.com

@Breastplate 3:01

Mince doesn’t do your post justice.

Shite is le mot juste.

Is Murrell still there??

Where are the e mails, my popcorn has gone cold!!

Grendel says:
18 February, 2023 at 5:08 pm
“My first concerns were at the Hydro event in 2015 when she announced her “gender balanced” cabinet…

I agree with your comment but I don’t agree with the article Grendel… I mean, I kinda know what it’s getting at, but IF an MP swapping Parties was compelled to resign, we’d have been robbed of ALBA’s Kenny MacAskill and Neale Hanvey, at a desperate time when they were the only decent ones actually standing by the SNP’s commitment and repeated Independence mandates, while the SNP itself was kicking the mandate it was elected to deliver into the long grass.

Isn’t the argument stronger for the SNP to stand down, or be stood down, having cynically played bait and switch with the electorate? They suckered in the electorate with pledges of IndyRefs and defending Scotland, but once elected, dropped all of that “Independence malarkey”, to pursue Gender reforms and SelfID which wasn’t even in their manifesto. How utterly disgraceful.

What right did the SNP have to force OUR IndyRef mandate off the agenda in order to pursue their Pervert’s Charter? I’d have sacked the lot of them except Kenny and Neale.

The law isn’t lacking to chastise an MP for disloyalty. What definitely is lacking, is a codified protocol of impeachment to sack a Scottish Government for fraudulence and dishonesty, or the SNP’s case, violating the Claim of Right and selling out Scotland’s Constitutional integrity.

I Agree with you to a certain point, but you are not convincing in you’re debate,

For the Scottish parliament was [ excluded ] from joining the rest of parliamentary treaty of union, as it was ratified as a extinguished parliament by both the Scottish parliament in Scotland and the English parliament in England in 1707.
by first the Commissioner on both sides with the pre-nupt agreement and later by ratifying that pre-nupt agreement.

The EXTINGUISHED Scottish parliament was and still is, unable to provide members from its 1707 Scottish extinguished parliament to Westminster parliament/ GB parliament/ UK parliament.

That the Scottish parliament was eliminated from joining the treaty of union.
Can be found by simple research,
Link,
Uk parliament site, 2023.
The UK parliament states this on it site.

“The Scottish parliament in 1707 extinguished itself by AGREEEING to the treaty of the union”.

You do not have to believe what I say,
It actually would be wiser for you to check that statement out on the UK parliament site for yourself,
As can many others on here.

There is no Scottish parliament in the Treaty of the union,

However there is a possibility for a true Scottish parliament in Scotland, because when you read the small print, the said “treaty” only extinguishes, Bans, Excludes, and makes void the Scottish parliament to and in joining Englands Westminster parliament under its name change.

The 1707 treaty of union articles that were ratifying a union self destructed (itself) by extinguishing the Scottish parliament as its first priority in 1707.

OT – Shadow Scottish secretary Ian Murray reported to have complained that

“For the next six weeks, the Scottish Government is going to be completely paralysed.

However, given Mr McConnel replaced Mr McLeish within a fortnight of the latter’s resignation, Murray is presumably projecting nonsense from habit and his true intent is to instruct Sarwar to nominate a replacement FM as soon as Holyrood reopens rather than telegraph labour’s complicity in up to 5 weeks of the complete paralysis in event his analysis proves correct 🙂

From the day she became leader she has done everything in her power to make independence unachievable.

When it became known that Alex Salmond was planning to further independence, she and her corrupt criminal cronies conspired to put him in jail on false charges of rape.

She should be on the direct road to jail.

As for Cherry, she is nothing more than a Sturgeon in waiting.

Can anyone point to one concrete thing she has done for the cause of independence since becoming a Westminster MP?

Fat good it did to be actively involved in the reopening of the Westminster parliament in which SNP MPs have a ZERO chance of getting anything passed in favour of Scotland.

link to archive.is

“ Mhairi Black: Any shift to the right will kill the SNP”.

So just remember boys and girls, only ever take left wing drag acts into your local primary school if you don’t want to kill the SNP…

@twathater

nailed it
I’d go further we have to stop discussing the SNP, they’re no longer relevant to us our cause or our country every one of them and I mean every one of them have betrayed us and their country our country no exceptions.

Ladybird , I agree entirely – Scotland should be free to laud her own successes and deal with her own failures.

Breeks , I will never forget that and I hope East Renfrewshire education department doesn’t forget either.

Grendel says:
18 February, 2023 at 6:17 pm

@ Breeks 18 February, 2023 at 5:55 pm

For every MacAskill or Hanvey there’s a Derek Mackay or a Mark McDonald, or a Margaret Ferrier.

I never figured out what Mark McDonald was supposed to have done that was so wrong. The Derek MacKay thing I found suspicious.

Ruby says:
18 February, 2023 at 6:34 pm

I never figured out what Mark McDonald was supposed to have done that was so wrong. The Derek MacKay thing I found suspicious.

Collateral damage in the Alex Salmond plot. No use to the SNP in their future plans, an acceptable loss, he was allowed to ride out his time and claim his salary until the election where he was replaced.

As for Derek Mackay, the only thing suspicious was Mr Mackay himself.

Tartanpigsy says:
18 February, 2023 at 6:44 pm

Shut: If they shoo in Robertson the SNP is finished and no doubt.

The man is compromised, he knows it and anyone watching the history knows it.

He will be unable to take any step to indy without a threat from the unionist. One that will be significant.

He is a non starter and I am surprised he can’t see that, “unless he is a willing kompromat”

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I heard he wasnt standing for the leadership contest. It is what I heard anyway.

Grendel says:
18 February, 2023 at 6:47 pm

As for Derek Mackay, the only thing suspicious was Mr Mackay himself.

Is that what you think?

I guess I have a more a suspicious mind than you do.

There’s got to be more to the Mark MacDonald thing than what you suggest.

Was it a test? Did they think if the public swallow this garbage then so would a jury.

Kinda similar to the test where they put rapists in women’s jails.

“Mhairi Black: Any shift to the right will kill the SNP”.

LOL. The SNP is already dead. The fact that she and the other troughers are still drawing a salary just means the penny hasn’t dropped.

Hopefully the wake up call will come at the ballot box.

Dan says:
18 February, 2023 at 7:33 pm

Okay, Saturday night IT lesson.
Press Ctrl then F keys and that brings up a text search box where you can put in letters / words and then scroll through the result on the page.
You only posted once.
link to wingsoverscotland.com

But Capella name checks you in one of their posts.

That post was OK. I think I’ll repost it this time with a link.

I still haven’t had an answer.

link to archive.is

Human rights lawyer reports ‘catalogue of sexual harassment’ at Holyrood

Ruby says:
3 July, 2020 at 11:34 am

Anyone remember the following?

’29th October 2017
Human rights lawyer Aamer Anwar reports ‘catalogue of sexual harassment’ at Holyrood

‘He said: “It’s a catalogue of sexual harassment, stalking, social media abuse, sexual innuendos, verbal sexual abuse, touching, sexual assaults, requests for sex, cover-up, isolation and bullying.”

A human rights lawyer says women at all levels of the Scottish Parliament have been subjected to sexual harassment.

He added: “I have spoken to several individuals who have been subject to sexual harassment. This is not just a problem for one party. It is a problem for all parties.’

What I find weird about the above is out of the ‘catalogue of sexual harassment’ all we’ve heard about is Mark MacDonald & Alex Salmond.

Is what Aamer Anwar said true or false?

Your Saturday night IT lessons are appreciated except that I am on a Mac and these Windows shortcuts dont work. 🙂

I haven’t quite figured out why you wanted to point out that I had posted on that old thread.

@ Ruby

I responded to you because you stated:

Ruby says: at 6:34 pm

“I never figured out what Mark McDonald was supposed to have done that was so wrong. The Derek MacKay thing I found suspicious.”

I asked if you recalled the article as it gives an explanation of why Mark McDonald got treated the way he did. My mention that you posted btl sort of proves you read the article at the time but either don’t recall it or dismiss its validity as per reason suggested.
But you use an Apple device so that may completely explain our out of kilterness on things. 😉
I use an ancient old HP laptop and what’s left of my brain* and still manage to search, find, and recall stuff.
* Brain compromised by stinking cold on top of what looks evermore like Lyme’s disease symptoms. But I still know what a woman is though, so at least the mush in my cranium is functioning better than a lot of our elected officials.

A fine summary of where La Sturgeon went wrong…

link to grahamlinehan.substack.com

@ George Ferguson

Re. Ferries

Have been speaking with a pal about various engineery things and I retrieved this article from a year ago to send to him to read as our chat touched on the subject of the ferries.
This article very much tries to describe the issue as a cabling blunder thus assigning blame to parties that ran the cables.
But I understand those original cables were actually the correct length and only became “too short” because the original planned location of the transformer room the cables connect to was subsequently changed, without whomever made that decision considering or factoring in the resultant cable issue re-location of the transformer room would create and cost.

link to bbc.co.uk

@Andrew scott (et al)

You’ve got issues with the person/people – nature/topic/content/frequency/volume of information/facts (re. Scotland’s news/people/arts/music/history/heritage/culture/identity etc – SELF@REALITY) – despite knowing nothing about the person/people you attempt to publicly belittle and humiliate – as your personal object/s.

Unlike you shameful cowards (losers), I treasure Scotland and its people…

@Dan 8:34pm
That’s my understanding Dan. The cable schedule was routed and cable cut by an International Scandinavian Ship cabling contractor. The control panels were relocated by different senior managers for “enhanced” design purposes. Result cables too short. In terms of legal responsibility the cable company were not pursued which tells you everything you need to know. Now sitting at 500 million pounds with no cap on the total overall expenditure and no guarantee of the seaworthiness of the vessels.

Does “Gregor” not come over as a programmed BOT to the rest of us humans?
(Using the same process of multi-spamming that “Gregor” uses)… All these unnecessary dictionary definitions, for example…

Please, Rev Stu, hit him with the Cameron B Brodie hammers!

I wonder who the buck stops with now…

“Nicola Sturgeon: Buck stops with me over ferry contract row”

link to bbc.co.uk

The SNP leadership is going to be an extremely bruising contest. Already the doxing, undermining and the image positioning of the candidates looks brutal to quote the outgoing FM. Some of the wilder narrative is completely off the mark. Humza positioned as the Unity candidate?. Without any explanation of who the warring factions are. Kate Forbes already labelled as a right wing fundamentalist. If she gets in Nobody under 35 will stay in the SNP and so on. Robertson managing the leadership process behind closed doors. The Sunday papers will be canvassing for their particular favourite. Action packed month coming up. Some of us did say the GRRB could be existential for the SNP and Greens.

@Dan 9:39pm
First task of the new FM. Executive action on the Ferries. A half a billion of taxpayers money. None of the options are very palatable but decisive action is needed and soon.

Human:

“Being, relating to, or belonging to a person or to people as opposed to animals.”

“Of course I make mistakes, I’m only human.”

“He’s a despicable human being!”

“Every human being has the right to freedom from oppression.”

link to dictionary.cambridge.org

@JGedd 3.58: sadly, Dante would have a field day with the modern SNP, particularly in placing various of its members in the two lowest circles, Eight (Fraud) and Nine (Treachery).

He took a particularly dim view of those offences.

Dan 9:39 “Nicola Sturgeon: Buck stops with me over ferry contract row”

The buck was only resting in her ‘husbands’ account.